Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: aliciaa671 on September 13, 2010, 02:17:33 PM
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I'm not into the whole #'s theory, but figured I'd post this for those of you that are...
http://joshualinergallery.com/artists/mark_ryden/selectedworks/110/detail/ryden_michael_jackson/
Sorry if a repost.
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I may be wrong but it seems Michael had a broken heart from a woman. Why did the paintor painted him as a mouse, that for me seem she was scared to face something. I am lost. I hope someone can figure this one out.
Blessings
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Ahh mouse makes sense, couldn't figure out what he was supposed to be. Keep in mind, this is the same artist who did the Dangerous cover.
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Is that LMP?
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Is that LMP?
You know what Jude, you are right, she does look like LMP, maybe she broke his heart. This painting has a significance that is for sure, but what? I cannot pin point what the story is. I know for sure it is a broken heart. usually mice go in hidding, so did Michael, go into hidding. There is a similarity. I hope someone who knows about painting can tell us the meaning of it.
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:
Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
What do you think?
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
Agreed whisper9396... I don't like this picture at all.....very unpleasant too look at.
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
True! Interesting painting! I thought it was Lisa right away too. Her hair in the front looks like this pic. [attachment=1:iio1z2lj]lisa-marie-presley-michael-jackson[1].jpg[/attachment:iio1z2lj][attachment=0:iio1z2lj]MJ mouse.jpg[/attachment:iio1z2lj]
His heart is on fire, does he still love her or grieve her loss? Maybe he dreamed of marrying her for many years, finally did it, was so happy for a while, and then disappointment. There's one line he sings, "All my dreams been broken." She hurt his heart, and the molestation accusations broke his spirit--almost. More to come!!!
Aliciaa671 , do you know what year it was painted? Thanks.
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I don't like the picture, IMO it shows that MJ was heartbroken when Lisa left him, and disappointed, why mouse?- I think this photo of Mike portrayed as a white mouse shows that he was afraid of being in relationship with other women after LMP had left him, he was afraid of being heartbroken once again, being hurt and betrayed once again by a woman.
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Mouse symbolism is usually humorous, but carries serious undertones. It seems to suggest a few things about our life-path journey while here on the earth plane. The path is like a maze or labyrinth because we have so little knowledge about our real purpose here. Each "turn" is a gamble, and we really never know if it is the "right" one. Often, our rational logic fails us in this regard, whereas instincts or intuitions prove more reliable. This is the aspect shown by the mouse, I do think.
The mouse is small and vulnerable to show the condition we often find ourselves in, as we traverse the maze. A major objective of the life experience seems to involve the overcoming of fears. We face them and hopefully defeat them all the time.
The mice are probably symbols for pests of your thoughts. They represent negative behaviors and memories from your past that you haven't dealt with.
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creepy picture...
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the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?
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One painting I won't be contacting the gallery for regarding pricing and availability.
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the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?
I've seen at least 2 other paintings with the number 7 in it as well! :?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993079/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993078/in/photostream/
and this one reminded me of another painting i saw regarding michael.. dont know which one that is though maybe someone else knows?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/125399335/sizes/o/in/photostream/
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Also diamonds are forever, and the ring circle stands for neverending love, the circle not broken, so there is irony here. He looks sad sad while she looks pleasant or happy. Much as she talks about feeling "truly gutted", she was the one who didn't seem to value the relationship as much as him. He selected her with great care, since he knew his spouse would have to come from a wealthy top ranking place, with class (in entertainmnet), as well as possibly already thinking ahead to the hoax and Elvis/MJ connection. He didn't want someone just after his money or fame. Sadly I think many ordinary women would have loved him through thick and thin forever. Oh well. It ain't over till it's over. Also green (floor) speaks to me of being a novice or inexperienced in love, there's rain clouds above him, and although he's in a corner it is LMP who is most in the corner, so maybe he still feels he has her partially (as we see from this hoax). If that makes sense. :?
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ok maybe someone indicated and i missed it. were these actually commisioned by michael or this guy just did them?
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:
Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
What do you think?
I think, you are right. I can't tell that I well understand painting, however, I don't love, when the artist represents subjects and objects ugly. I mean not a non-standard or an innovative sight at things. I mean unjustified ugliness.
I hope you won't beat me :oops: if I tell that LMP never was pleasant to me (a heavy look, the heavy chin, the compressed lips). The appearance is a mirror of the soul. Probably, if this artist has represented LMP in the form of the mouse, I would react to a picture differently. :lol:
I hope my thoughts are clear for you.
With love.
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the number seven is significant to us but why to the artist?
I've seen at least 2 other paintings with the number 7 in it as well! :?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993079/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/128993078/in/photostream/
and this one reminded me of another painting i saw regarding michael.. dont know which one that is though maybe someone else knows?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akitzmil/125399335/sizes/o/in/photostream/
I have been surprised, when have seen Russian words in picture. However, it also has words on English and Chinese (probably) in last picture. The sense of words in Russian and English is approximately identical. There are a lot of Masonic symbolics on the picture . :?
sorry for mistakes.
With love
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Two numbers 7 on Dangerous cover
(http://jacksonlive.mybb.ru/uploads/000a/08/f2/350101-3.jpg)
(http://s52.radikal.ru/i138/1005/75/8a231b26b572.jpg)
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[attachment=0:3sn2cgoo]michael-jackson-dangerous-album-cover[1].jpg[/attachment:3sn2cgoo]
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Sorry this one shows below the palm.[attachment=0:1mxdlku8]michael_jackson_ 2 dangerous_cover[1].jpg[/attachment:1mxdlku8]
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I really don't like this painting...saddening :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Oh, My God! This picture causes not very pleasant feelings. LMP is represented beautiful, happy, healthy, and MJ is represented pity, unfortunate, the mouse which sits in a corner. Is it mouse white? Looks like in laboratory, truly? Strange feelings are caused by a picture. Figure seven - it is clear, a crown - it is clear, the mouse - it is not clear.... Mice cause negative emotions more often. But this my opinion. :roll:
Sorry for mistakes
With love.
You make sense. Mouse means pitty, scared. I do not understand why he painted Michael as a mouse.
I checked the meaning what the mouse symbolizes this is what I found:
Back in the medieval moments, the mouse was a symbol of bad luck, and terrible crops. In China, mouse stood for sly, cunning, and intelligent.
What do you think?
I think, you are right. I can't tell that I well understand painting, however, I don't love, when the artist represents subjects and objects ugly. I mean not a non-standard or an innovative sight at things. I mean unjustified ugliness.
I hope you won't beat me :oops: if I tell that LMP never was pleasant to me (a heavy look, the heavy chin, the compressed lips). The appearance is a mirror of the soul. Probably, if this artist has represented LMP in the form of the mouse, I would react to a picture differently. :lol:
I hope my thoughts are clear for you.
With love.
Oh my God, why would I beat you for your opinion, actually I thank you for clarifing it to me. I hate that painting, why did this painter painted that portrait. LMP is not the prettiest woman alive, but she is ok in my book. I think their breakup is more than meets the eye. Something big had happened. I cannot put my finger.
Blessings and love
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This depiction of beautiful Michael as a sad bleached out mouse speaks volumes about how the artist perceived MJ.
as well as telling a "Story".
The essential question would be, how well did the artist know Michael Jackson, or how close was this aritst to Michael,enough to practically look deep into Michae's "heart break" and suffering as the "Jilted " husband or lover of LMP.
Personally, I look at this painting as "tabloid Trash" , the same as any reporter would venture out to create a "sensationalized "
story, to talk about things they do not know anything about.
Pure fabrication IMO
I do not believe for a sec. that Mike was hurting that badly over LMP..cause, I am almost sure, if had wanted her that badly , he could have gotten her back anytime ,
had she been Michael's everlasting "love' I am sure he would have found a way and married her twice , the same as Elizabeth and Richard tied knots twice, cause they really really did love each other.
According to reports and the way she even told the story after she "left" Mike, she was still so obsessed with him,
so that makes me , believe, LMP was begging Mike to take her back, including promising to have any number of babies he wished to have.
But ..MJ..would not take her back , while remaining friends with her, like the gentleman he was,
...but she went around bashing Mike, every time she opened her mouth, cause she could not have it her way...to have Mike take her back.
So this artist ,IMO..is way off , if he is trying to tell the story as fact.
Maybe , the painting reflects the artist's Fantasy..
about how,.that the daughter of King Elvis would break the "FREAK " Michael J. KOP, heart.??
Truth be told, there were many folks around who did not like for Mike to have gotten the Presley songs catalog and then Elvis's daughter too as his wife
That is the story I understand anyway, about MJ and LMP.
Just my 2cents.
Peace.
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Keep in mind, this is the same artist who did the Dangerous cover.
Here are some more of his paintings http://abduzeedo.com/expressive-and-sur ... mark-ryden (http://abduzeedo.com/expressive-and-surreal-work-mark-ryden)
I think Ryden is giving an artist's perception/intuition of reality he sees, perhaps like an artist-type vision/interpretation. Michael must have trusted his gift in being accurate, if he hired him.
I tried to find some info on how Mark Ryden viewed MJ, and I only found this interview: http://www.markryden.com/press/juxblack/index.html (http://www.markryden.com/press/juxblack/index.html)
Speaking of kings, can you tell us something about your encounter with the King of Pop?
He was most concerned with my depiction of Bubbles on the Dangerous cover. He commented on my first attempt: "You made him too wrinkled. He's cuter than that." Eventually Michael preferred I paint him from life to capture his true inner soul. Bubbles was secretly brought to my studio by limousine at midnight for a one-night painting session. Michael liked how in the new depiction Bubbles' eyes seemed to follow him around the room.
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Instead of a mouse, could it be a symbol of "Ben", the rat ?
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by MJonmind » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:04 pm
aliciaa671 wrote:Keep in mind, this is the same artist who did the Dangerous cover.
Here are some more of his paintings http://abduzeedo.com/expressive-and-sur (http://abduzeedo.com/expressive-and-sur) ... mark-ryden
I think Ryden is giving an artist's perception/intuition of reality he sees, perhaps like an artist-type vision/interpretation. Michael must have trusted his gift in being accurate, if he hired him.[/color]
Well,sure, Mike prob. trusted him to get the "Job" done because of the Artist's virtuosity ,when Mike hired him to paint the album cover for his Dangerous CD,
But, we all know, how people considered as close friends of MJ , turned out to be much less than friends of MJ, witnessed in their disgusting behavior, especially after MJ "died,"
...all of those rats, talking about MJ and his "Ways" with this and that, including his sexual preference .(A. Klein, comes to mind here. and the list is lengthy... )
One question, when did this artist paint his " visionary work' of Mike, as a grayed out Mouse, of all things possible?
Would be interesting to find out, if this artist did this "Intuitive art work"... while Mike was still around.. :shock:
Peace.
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This depiction of beautiful Michael as a sad bleached out mouse speaks volumes about how the artist perceived MJ.
as well as telling a "Story".
The essential question would be, how well did the artist know Michael Jackson, or how close was this aritst to Michael,enough to practically look deep into Michae's "heart break" and suffering as the "Jilted " husband or lover of LMP.
Personally, I look at this painting as "tabloid Trash" , the same as any reporter would venture out to create a "sensationalized "
story, to talk about things they do not know anything about.
Pure fabrication IMO
I do not believe for a sec. that Mike was hurting that badly over LMP..cause, I am almost sure, if had wanted her that badly , he could have gotten her back anytime ,
had she been Michael's everlasting "love' I am sure he would have found a way and married her twice , the same as Elizabeth and Richard tied knots twice, cause they really really did love each other.
According to reports and the way she even told the story after she "left" Mike, she was still so obsessed with him,
so that makes me , believe, LMP was begging Mike to take her back, including promising to have any number of babies he wished to have.
But ..MJ..would not take her back , while remaining friends with her, like the gentleman he was,
...but she went around bashing Mike, every time she opened her mouth, cause she could not have it her way...to have Mike take her back.
So this artist ,IMO..is way off , if he is trying to tell the story as fact.
Maybe , the painting reflects the artist's Fantasy..
about how,.that the daughter of King Elvis would break the "FREAK " Michael J. KOP, heart.??
Truth be told, there were many folks around who did not like for Mike to have gotten the Presley songs catalog and then Elvis's daughter too as his wife
That is the story I understand anyway, about MJ and LMP.
Just my 2cents.
Peace.
WOW...I completely agree with this post...if Michael wanted to get back w/ LMP he would have...Im sure they did love each other at some point (at least MIchael loved her) but when he found out she didn't want his kids...it was over...she lied to him...and she dealt with everything so immaturly...all she did was talk mess about Mikey...honestly I can't stand her :evil:
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by mjsgirl89 » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:57 am
WOW...I completely agree with this post...if Michael wanted to get back w/ LMP he would have...Im sure they did love each other at some point (at least MIchael loved her) but when he found out she didn't want his kids...it was over...she lied to him.,[/color]
Yeah,is quite true what you say Mjsgirl89, but now she wants to start a campaign of " Sunflowers"for her ex-hubby Mike,
"who ended up, the Way her Dad did".. :? :shock:
Just hope she meant to say, they both Hoaxed their "Death"
LOL.
and in the meantime, to heck..what this artist Ryden is trying to say about our Mike and LMP in his weird painting..
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'cause, IMO, this artist is
sooo "totally Outta the LOOooP"[/color] :lol:
Peace
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The song "Ben" is about a boy befriending a rat. I still think this painting could be symbolizing "Ben" and not a mouse. :?
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Ben, why not? Who needs Lisa? :lol:
Ben lyrics
Ben, the two of us need look no more
We both found what we were looking for
With my friend to call my own I'll never be alone
And you my friend will see, you've got a friend in me
Ben, you're always running here and there
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
If you ever look behind and don't like what you find
There's something you should know, you've got a place to go
I used to say, "I", And "Me"
Now it's "Us", Now it's "We"
Ben, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again if they had a friend like Ben
Like Ben, like Ben
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by hope » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:17 pm
The song "Ben" is about a boy befriending a rat. I still think this painting could be symbolizing "Ben" and not a mouse.
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Good observation...Mike's best true friend "Ben".
and all the other people Mike thought were his " friends" too, the Rats..
A combined symbol of "Rat/s as Mike's best Friend",
as in "a Dog is a man's best friend."
A good angle to look at, to absolve the painter, if that is what he had in mind to say in this painting.
Peace.
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White mouse is often used as an animal for lab experiments...
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Hehe, i just found this thread!
Let´s turn the mouse in to something more fitting ;)
What about Apollo, god of music, medicine, archery and single young men (He was the son of Zeus and Leto, a minor goddess). His throne, polished gold, had the backing in the form of lira. Its symbol was a mouse because the mice knew the secrets of the earth and are transmitted to him. He had a beautiful house at Delphi on Mount Parnassus, which brought together all kinds of artists.........
Need to leave the pc now...but that painting I must analize later :lol:
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Let´s turn the mouse in to something more fitting ;)
His throne, polished gold, had the backing in the form of lira. Its symbol was a mouse because the mice knew the secrets of the earth and are transmitted to him.
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:lol: Verrryyy Fitting... :lol: :lol:
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Lets dig a bit more in Apolos life...gossiiiipppppp!!!! :lol:
According to Pindarus, the whereabouts of the legendary Apollo is the Hyperborean country, where no ship can go (A plce with no name?? :o ;) ). There lives the holy people that knows no disease, or age, and who are absent pains and struggles. Everywhere you hear choirs of girls, lyre and flute sounds. There he delights himself, Apollo, we can find him there ...
Apollo was not very happy, however, in his love life, always, something tragic was manifested. Although it was not wrong with the Muses. With Talia gave birth to the integrated Coribantesque the chorus of Dionysus, with Urania, musicians, Linus, and Orpheus.
The quietest of all his loves was the one who lived with the nymph Cyrene, daughter of the centaur Chiron. It is known that where there is a seductive nymph (who could be this one?)
They have eyewitnesses that Eros, angry with Apollo when exercised in handling the bow, inspired him in revenge, a great passion for the nymph Daphne. But shedid not correspond to their desires, and fled to the mountains.
Another story tells of his love for Coronis. She played with the feet in the water of a lake ... Apollo saw her and wanted her... As usual for him, the desire was something that suddenly assaulted him and wanted to get rid of as soon as possible....
Coronis was pregnant, but had the bad idea of giving the love of a mortal, Isquis.
Apollo, asked his sister, Artemis, to go and kill the infidel. The arrow sank in to Coronis´s chest, but before her death confessed that she also killed the son of god. Just before the body was placed on the pyre, God tore the child from her womb, alive still, Asclepius.
Have the witnesses in the case that Apollo tried in vain to revive Coronis, her body was surrounded by the fire and the fire (can this be the one painted in the heart?) and attacked him, but the flames were opened, and the hand of God removed from the womb of the girl to his son, unharmed. A Asclepius, "one who heals."
Apollo was also loved by Marpessa. But a mortal took over.
She was kidnapped by Idas, who took her to Messenia. There, Idas and Apollo fought. Zeus separated them and gave Marpessa choice between two loves. And she chose the mortal. She was afraid that Apollo left in his old age ... But obviously that did not have was the slightest idea what the customs are divine ..
Cassandra was undoubtedly a great love of Apollo. Daughter of Priam and Hecuba, sister of Hector and Paris. Apollo loved her, and to seduce her, promised to teach him the art of divination. She took lessons, but once completed, rejected him, something quite common in the life of beautiful dios.Apolo in revenge, he gave the ability to guess, but ordered that no one believed in his predictions. Thus, despite the most serious things prophesy was not believed by anyone.
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The rest of the lovers were male :)
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About the symbolism of the heart in flames, the meaning I see is the love for "X" and a ring to be waiting to be given ;)
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maybe this dude was at michaels place when he painted these and that is where the marajuana came from ;) :lol:
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Well, after reading my TS (meaning thesis, not TS the poster here ;) may be i was the one with marijuana :lol: i write sentences with no meaning :lol:
I can´t do 2 things at the same time, i am losing faculties....
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I´m a admirer of Mark Rydens art. This one is also very expressive... and I think it speaks for itself.
Thank you for showing, I haven´t seen it before.
@suspicious mind & Gema: :D :lol: ;)
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People make it seem like LMP left MJ and he was sooooo broken hearted. But shoot seemed to me like he bounced back pretty quickly! He wanted kids. She agreed to do this soon as they married and then when they married she did not want to , She deceived the man! LMP probably wanted MJ back big time but after everything was said and done he did not take her back. His heart had closed up by then. BUT he did keep her frienship.
Then we have people that say that even after they broke up they would still be making love and stuff. so who knows? We may never know. But I do not like the painting making MJ look like a wimpy rat under LMP! :?
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if the guy did this on his own then why the 7's?
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I don't dislike this painting. Perhaps it represents the two aspects of Mike..ie. the performer which is the King of Pop so the head of Michael with it's crown and then there is His off stage persona who may be shy and quiet like a mouse. A shy person who had his heart burned and now is reticent at the prospect of making himself vulnerable again.
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I also agree about Michael finding a normal woman to love and to love him unconditionally. One not after his fortune or fame who wouldve loved him more than anything in this world. I never felt LMP was good for him I felt that was not a good decision on Michael's part to marry her. She seemed more immature and unsure of herself than Michael and not one who seemed serious about their marriage or love.
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by Gema » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:21 pm
The rest of the lovers were male :)[/color]
I did not realize that Arnie Klein became a registered member here on the Hoax forum?
Hmm.."the rest of the lovers were..Male.". :lol: :lol: :lol:
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reminds me of BEN
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by Gema » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:21 pm
The rest of the lovers were male :)[/color]
I did not realize that Arnie Klein became a registered member here on the Hoax forum?
Hmm.."the rest of the lovers were..Male.". :lol: :lol: :lol:
According to the gossip, was Arny´s nephew the one in love with MJ :lol:
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He has a crown, so he's a king, who's sitting in to corner because media and lies? White mouse? hmm... And there is again.. number 7. :shock: A burning heart because a woman (L. M. Presley) broke his heart? Strange pic.
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Mickey-mouse.....
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Please, does anyone know whether there are more paintings Mark Ryden made on Michael´s behalf (apart from this one and the Dangerous cover artwork)? That would be really interesting to know....
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With love.[/quote]
True! Interesting painting! I thought it was Lisa right away too. Her hair in the front looks like this pic. [attachment=1:lsl8a49a]lisa-marie-presley-michael-jackson[1].jpg[/attachment:lsl8a49a][attachment=0:lsl8a49a]MJ mouse.jpg[/attachment:lsl8a49a]
His heart is on fire, does he still love her or grieve her loss? Maybe he dreamed of marrying her for many years, finally did it, was so happy for a while, and then disappointment. There's one line he sings, "All my dreams been broken." She hurt his heart, and the molestation accusations broke his spirit--almost. More to come!!!
Totally agree!!!!