Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on September 10, 2010, 01:59:16 AM
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Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
Today is 9-9-10 (CA time), the one year anniversary of 9-9-09! It’s also 77 days (inclusive) after the one year anniversary of the MJ “death”. And my very first post was about the 9-9-09 numerology, posted two days before on 9-7-09; maybe a few here remember this (it was posted on the old MJDH.com forum).
As stated in Update #6, Update #7 probably will not be before bamsday. I’m not calling this post an update, because it’s really not much new information; it’s more of a response and challenge to the critics, and backing up what I’ve said already with a $999 reward.
Outline:
$999 Reward!!!
The Coincidence Test
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
Answering the Critics
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
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$999 Reward!!!
On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.
Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).
Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.
Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).
Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.
If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!
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The Coincidence Test
If nobody is able to collect the $999 reward: the only way out at that point will be to claim that a one-in-a-million chance actually happened. However, while it’s fairly easy to merely claim that it was all coincidence, it is much harder to demonstrate it. This is why I have created “the coincidence test”—so that people can easily see whether the one-in-a-million coincidence claim is realistic or not.
First of all, to help put things in perspective, if the odds of something happening by coincidence are 1 chance in only 2: there is still a 50% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. And if it’s 1 chance in 10: there is a 90% chance that it will not happen by coincidence. If it’s 1 chance in 100: there’s a 99% chance that it won’t happen by coincidence. 1 chance in 1,000 is 99.9% that it won’t happen by coincidence. And finally 1 chance in 1,000 times 1,000 (one in a million)—is 99.9999% chance that it would NOT happen by coincidence!!!!!!!!!
Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!
For those who want to play “the coincidence test”: it’s quite similar to a lottery, except fortunately it won’t cost money like gambling and the lottery (and also nobody will win money). I saw a bumper sticker once that said, “Lottery: a tax on people who failed math class.”
Anyway, if you want to try the coincidence test: start a thread (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “The Coincidence Test”. Then take a guess at what the last two digits (right of the decimal) will be in the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P 500, once the stock market closes for the day {see http://finance.yahoo.com/}. You must state your guess at least 24 hours in advance; and also identify which date your guess applies to (use the date based upon a time zone in the USA); the digits remain in view for more than 12 hours after the market closes, so there is plenty of time to see if your guess was right (they are also recorded permanently).
Make sure you identify which two digits go with Dow, and which ones go with Nasdaq, and which ones with S&P 500. For example: Dow = .77; Nasdaq = .79; S&P 500 = .99; this will make a six-digit number (777,999), which has a one chance in a million of being correct (000,000 to 999,999). These stock market decimal numbers are quite random, and nobody will be able to know them 24 hours in advance (or control them); so if someone gets all six digits correct, then that will be a one-in-a-million coincidence!
Now we must not forget the aspect of opportunities, when we are calculating odds of a coincidence. For this to actually happen as a one-in-a-million coincidence: it has to be the very first person who gets the six numbers correct. Because the second person will be two-in-a-million, and the third will be three-in-a-million, etc.
If one hundred guesses are made, that would be a one-in-ten-thousand chance; because although though the odds are one in a million, the opportunities are one hundred (so 1,000,000 divided by 100 = 10,000). Nevertheless, if hundreds or even thousands of “coincidence test” guesses are made—it is still very unlikely that anyone will get it right!
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You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.
And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.
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Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com, and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.
There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).
Actually, the numerology alone should show that the Elvis connections were carefully planned, and not all coincidence (unless someone can collect the $999 reward). And if MJ did not want the public to know about the Elvis connections: then why did he put the MJ 2040 visible on stage where everyone could see it??? {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}
There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php}.
Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
However, if we wait till the public knows: nobody will pay attention to us then, because everybody will know by then from the mainstream media. If we rattle cages now: then when it comes out in public, they will be back to find out how we knew BEFORE it came out publicly! Then they will be much more ready to listen to the rest of the message!
Furthermore, even though Elvis fans have been saying he’s alive for 33 years, yet only recently has DNA evidence surfaced that scientifically proves Elvis lives! We don’t need to be intimidated anymore, by those who ridicule Elvis being alive as a crazy “conspiracy theory”; we can challenge them with hard DNA evidence, the Eliza court case, no Elvis relative has provided DNA to disprove Eliza, etc.
Speaking of Eliza’s case, and the next step: there’s often a 30-day window for objection to a Motion for Summary Judgment. For now, though, let’s wait until there are major developments in Eliza’s case, before going to the media again about Eliza.
Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029; formerly http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).
But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).
Last but not least: it was this very same “media take notice” tweet, which became the focus of the post by bec titled “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity”
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=0}. This tweet-delete happened in early August, which was after all of the disagreement about Elvis and MJ, and whether or not to go to the media, etc; and it was also after I redirected (on July 20) to this “media take notice” tweet, in support of going to the media with the Elvis connection. Therefore, if the Jacksons were against the Elvis connection and/or going to the media: then why in August did they delete enough tweets to keep “media take notice” at the very bottom of the page, exactly as I said clear back in May?
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Answering the Critics
Shortly after Update #6, there was a fair amount of discussion on a few threads criticizing TS. Several of the questions and objections are worthy of response; and in fact, a few members already posted some very good responses. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6951;
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198}.
However, I’m going to add a few replies of my own. And let me make it clear that I don’t mind sincere criticism, because truth can stand up to questions and objections—the truth will prevail! The problem is when people make empty accusations, with no evidence, such as “TS is nonsense”; statements like this with no evidence are useless, and I won’t even try to respond to them.
Should the Jacksons tweet about TIAI? This was suggested and even urged by a few. Well, they can tweet this if they want; but it’s not very likely, especially not before bamsday. Also, they did recently delete enough tweets to keep the AOL (Army Of LOVE) tweet on the bottom of the page—just like I said back in May; see again the post by bec, “Strong Evidence of TS Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=125#p232795}.
Also, for those who want to disprove TS/TIAI: why don’t you ask Jacksons to tweet something against TIAI? Surely if they don’t do that, then this will be final proof that TS is not fake—right??? And if that reasoning doesn’t hold much water, then neither does the opposite reasoning (Jacksons not tweeting in support of TIAI proves that TS is fake).
There were also some concerns that I mentioned the concept of people being tested, and some failing the test; it was suggested that MJ would not do this. Well, what about Murray? Don’t you think many people have failed the same basic (prejudice) test—calling him a murderer, even before the preliminary hearing?? Don’t you think that MJ planned this test, to help expose the problems of prejudice and trial by media? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187841}
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! :lol:
Speaking of trying to debunk TS: one particular member kept dwelling on my statements about “few” in on the hoax—claiming that there were more than “few”, so this alone proves that TS is a fake {see Update 4d, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7194}. However, this is just another of many examples of critics not carefully reading what I said. The word “few” is always relative; and in comparison to all the stars in the sky, one thousand is a “few” stars. Taken in context, the “few” that I mentioned was in relation to this statement: “the entire state of California is not in on the hoax. ... only a relatively few people would need to be ‘in on it’” (in 4-36 & 4-38).
I never gave any specific number other than “more than three”; but if you read all my posts, you will find that I myself did mention several specifically involved with the hoax: MJ, family, Conrad, Kenny Ortega, coroner, hospital, FBI, TMZ, etc. And there are many others (friends/celebrities) who may not have a direct role, and yet understand that it’s a hoax (much like us).
For those who have suggested that TS edits posts later to hide mistakes, etc: notice that Update #4d (referenced above) has not been edited even once (see bottom of the post). I do not edit posts after posting them, except when adding a link to new parts—and that is only a few days later at most (see for example the bottom of Update #4a, #4b, & #4c, all say “edited 1 time in total”). Also, every TS post is copied onto several other hoax forums, where it would be practically impossible to edit them. So if you want to verify what I originally wrote, check it out on other hoax forums!
Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!
Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, below.
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Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140}
Is the Jackson family the only informers? And if so, why have they given almost no clues for quite a while? And if the family is against TMZ, then why have they done interviews with TMZ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?keywords=recap&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=50&sc=0&sf=titleonly&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=100&t=0&submit=Search}? Why don’t they openly speak out against TMZ? Yes, Jermaine did mention a complaint about camera people laughing in court {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}; but this is all that he mentioned, he said nothing against TMZ reporting MJ news and/or hoax information, etc.
And let’s go back to the beginning once more: why was TMZ first to report the MJ “death”? Some have suggested that this is merely because TMZ was faster than all the other media, and got the information ahead of everyone else. But would MJ be so sloppy, as to accidentally allow an internet tabloid site be the first to find out about the “death”? If MJ planned this all out so well for so long (see Updates #4 & #6): don’t you think that he would also plan what media facility he wanted to first announce the “death”?
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Even if MJ were really dead, it’s possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the on the TMZ blog roll!
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795}
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
TIAI Update #6 was titled: “TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?” And yes, summer is nearly over. So if there’s no bam soon, then I guess this is very strong evidence that TS is fake, right?
However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!
Jermaine’s “The Tribute” has said “coming SOON” for about a year now {http://www.thetribute2010.com/}; actually, it was originally titled The Tribute 2009 {http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22the+tribute+2009%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=5d0b50e146560710}. The “5 Brothers Enterprises” website—with BAM illustrated visually and in the audio—has also said “coming SOON” since December 2009 {http://www.whois.net/whois/5brothersenterprises.com}.
TMZ had a “big clue” for January 18, 2010; but nothing happened {http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/18/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-investigation-applied-pharmacy-search-warrant-las-vegas/; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391}. And in the same month (January 2010), Paris said “Daddy was supposed to be here. Daddy was going to perform this year.” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=5024}
Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3684282550}. This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897}.
Now if MJ were really dead, then we wouldn’t pay much attention to these tweets from Kenny; but if MJ is alive, then the first tweet was indeed a clue—and the second one was to deter further questioning. It is true that the first tweet doesn’t give a specific year, it only mentions springtime; however, unless he was referring to the very next spring (2010), then this tweet was essentially pointless—because it could be ANY spring from now until forever.
On June 14, 2010, Janet tweeted this: “It’s time the fans know the truth …”
{Jun 14th via web; http://twitter.com/JanetJackson/status/16174141128, verified account}. What “truth” was Janet referring to, that was then “time” for the fans to “know”? Perhaps that MJ is dead, and he was murdered? If so, that is nothing that hasn’t been said many times already. Furthermore, if MJ is alive, then murder would not be the “truth”—instead, the hoax would be the truth. Yet nearly three months have passed since then, and no hoax truth has come out publicly from the Jacksons.
Last but not least, MJ himself said at the London press conference: “see you in July”! If he really died, then this was merely a reference to the planned concerts in July 2009; but if he was planning a fake death, then the “July” did not refer to 2009. Of course he didn’t say what year, just like Kenny’s tweet; but once again, if MJ didn’t mean July 2010, then it could be any year—and therefore it would be practically meaningless.
Actually, if you’re going to include all of the above as fake MJ hoax informers, then you might as well include Dr. Hinton as a fake Elvis hoax informer; because Dr. Hinton—the very one who helped write the book with Elvis/Jesse—said Elvis would come out publicly in the year 2002, but it didn’t happen {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page19}.
And what about attorney Mayoras, who is an informer with Eliza’s case? Back in May he said: “Eliza Presley’s court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer. … Stay tuned until this summer. That’s when the real fun begins.” {http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}. Summer is about over, so does “this summer” make him a fake informer? By the way “This Summer” is the exact phrase that I used in my Update #6—along with two question marks {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}.
Eliza herself knows that there can be delays, when you are dealing with court cases. She said the following: “Of course, any time that you deal with the legal system, you cannot predict a time frame, can you?” {http://www.elvisinfonet.com/interview_elizapresley1.htm}.
Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.
What we do know for sure is that: “It’s all going to come out; it’s all going to unfold.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. This is what Jermaine said back in February, 2010; and it was stated in the context of the “airport” slip, so we know he meant the hoax is all going to come out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7010}.
Jermaine also reiterated this again on Larry King interview in June, 2010. “[Larry:] Do you think we’ll ever find out the whole story? [Jermaine:] Yes! Yes! You know why, because his [MJ’s] family is not going to let it not happen. ... We’re going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows what really happened.” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3OiJMjilg}.
Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.
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I’m not going to take the time and space in this post, to explain the latest set of redirects; most of them were understood correctly anyway. For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}. Also, don’t expect more redirects—at least not until there are significant developments with the Elvis/Eliza or MJ/Murray cases.
Meanwhile, anyone can promote this $999 reward through any method that you want. But please do NOT reference http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com for the $999 reward, because sooner or later it will probably get redirected away from this post. Instead, use http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com for the $999 reward (and I will ask Mo & Souza to put a link from that page to this post).
... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,
The Sign
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Thanks a lot again TS!
I'm in a rush so I will reread later today and post my thoughts, but here's something I noticed straight away:
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
SCARED YET.
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:) thank you again, TS, our trusty informer. So TS really meant "The Sign", huh? or "Time...Sign"? Oh well we'll be sure to be watching out for more signs till BAM!
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Thank you, TS！
I'm reading :)
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Nice to see you again TS....
interesting post.. I have to reflect on it.... :idea:
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Thank you TS, good start of the day :)
Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.
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Thank you TS, I still have to read your post, but I'm sure that it will be great as always.
God bless you, I love you, I love you Michael !!!!!! 8-)
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Thanks a lot again TS!
I'm in a rush so I will reread later today and post my thoughts, but here's something I noticed straight away:
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
SCARED YET.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh9Cp4rd7mI&ob=av2e (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh9Cp4rd7mI&ob=av2e)
Mo, a million kudos to you. I immediately just dove into the update and indulged in thought. I didn't even look twice at that. -THAT- topped every thing off for me--like BAM. A-m-a-z-i-ng. Chills and tears is all I gotta say.
This was truly an uplifting post. My faith is unwavering. Thank you so much TS. Thank you SO much. I'm tearing up.
Now NO ONE has a reason NOT to beLIEve. Amazing...just amazing.
All for love--L.O.V.E.<3
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:P THANK YOU TS!!!!!
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SCARED YET 8-)
As usual....WOW
Thank you so so much for this post TS...I am going to re-read again later and reflect on this.
Had to have a chuckle at your $999 Reward - I wonder how many takers you will have on that offer! :lol: None I bet....because I doubt anyone will be able to show mathematically and statistically that there is one chance in any number less than a million that all the MJ numerology happened by chance. It would be a brave person who tried to.....
I will miss your daily redirects.
How fast a year passes by-I do remember very well your first post on 9-7-09 on the old MJDH.com forum about the 9-9-09 numerology...sigh.
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WOW! Thanks TS :D
I wont be trying to claim the $999 reward, and truly doubt anyone else will be able to either, though I am sure some will try but maybe through trying when they are not able to demonstrate it is a true coincidence will then start to read and learn what this all about. Maybe a win/win situation in the end.
This latest post makes me even more sure of my belief that MJ is indeed still alive, as I have always felt since before the redirects began.
I will just be patient and wait until the story is told, just hope I dont have to wait 33 years like Elvis fans, gosh I will be 89 by then (if Im still here :shock: ) but this is not about me its about Michael and his message. :oops:
I will say that I have always admired Michael as a "person" what he stood for, and how he came across as a person not a "personality" and yes I have discovered the man I never new, yes I loved his music, dancing etc, but when he spoke you could really feel a connection, truth be told it could also be said he could "reach you" with some of his powerful songs, but I am sorry to say it wasnt until after 25 June 2009 I really heard his message in the songs :oops: :roll: Sorry Michael, I am fully awakened now, see the world differently now.
For those who havent watched the Elvis videos on the Elvis and MJ thread, I recommend you do, takes a bit of time, I am going to re read all the redirects to make sure I havent missed anything.
And yes I too remember MJHD post on 09.07.09 and the 09.09.09 and when I eventually discovered where the 09.09.09 appeared in relation to the hoax I was just :o :shock: So thanks TS I am a beLIEver.
I am just waiting for his command, I will be there.
:)
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Wow, what a great and comforting post! :)
SCARED YET: isn't that a line from Ghosts? When the monster says "Are you scared yet?! Hee heee"
I love this! And I love Micheal and all of you guys :)
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[youtube:y7033gnk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pen33QM79o[/youtube:y7033gnk]
TS....I accept the challenge....what's the time limit?
999 days starting now?
;)
Chappie
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Thank you so much TS.
I have a little problem....my english.....i understand much, but not the details....please can someone give me a link to a translation program that dosn't make nonsens from the text ?
I will be in it, but i can't... :cry:
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Thanks a lot again TS!
I'm in a rush so I will reread later today and post my thoughts, but here's something I noticed straight away:
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
SCARED YET.
OH YEAH!!!! That's what i'm talkin' 'bout!!!!
Thanks TS, or should i say, THE SIGN?
Much LOVE to you x x x
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SCARED YET :lol: :lol: :lol: ????
I had a dream last year with Michael asking me "Aren't you scared yet?!" the famous line in Ghosts.... and now this
I can't believe it :lol: :lol: :lol:
TS I am at work now but I can't wait to get home and read it all.
Love you :smile:
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Thanks for the post TS!
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Thanks so much for this awesome post TS! I can read your updates over and over without getting bored because your updates are filled with so much great and interesting info!
I had actually checked thisisalsoit about and two or three hours ago and it had redirected to the page that contains all of your updates. I then thought to myself....'Hmmmmm. I bet TS is gonna make another post!' I left it at that and went on to do other stuff online. I decided to check it again before I got busy with organizing my digital music collection and I was redirected here. lol I just about forgot what I was gonna do in the first place because I got so excited about your new post. XDDD
I think that it will be quite interesting to see if there will actually be members on here who will try to challenge the evidence in an effort to claim your $999 prize.
I beLIEve but not blindly. I like to see things for myself and then reach a decision on my own based on the evidence that I see. I would like to thank you for creating a comprehensive outline of the evidence.
Your updates are much appreciated!
I send love to you,
God Bless You!
~alma~
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Thanks TS! :)
As I've always said no one has debunked the numerology! For me it's still a strong evidence that TS is NOT fake! ( I never thought it was ... i believe till someone debunk it lol)
BUT imo you lost some followers due to the elvis/MJ connection (maybe MJ did not imagine it, idk) and we are not in position to lose followers since the NWO is something SERIOUS!
You sounded and made many ppl believe that MJ hoax depends exclusively of Eliza case! as if any event had been pre-planned ( eliza steps) because of this i asked you what would you be doing if this had not happened. You said ''God's work'' ..ok, i do believe in God but ... it seemed a vague answer ... (just my opinion).
and I need to say ... Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?
do i need to LIKE it just because of MJ did it? it seems like MJ is judging most of his fans ...
I do LOVE MJ for the human being that he is! Ppl from here know very well that I just HATE things like goldpants and dude things like that (i think it's enough to show a little of my personality) but to say that ''Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?'' ''FANS'' ... oh no, i am sorry! Are you a real fan only if you agree with everything?? We are talking about MJ not bieber or Twilight (nothing against them)
fanaticism = wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm.
well, seems like i'm just someone who respect and loves MJ a LOT. I don't know if I can be called 'fan'
anyway ... So Far i am just waiting to see what is going to happen! I don't believe and i don't disbelieve ... just waiting! ;)
scared yet = final thriller edition (TII) :D
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I like your signature TS .
The Sign :lol:
When it's gonna be replaced by your real name ?
Maybe on update #7
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I can try but I will never get that reward... easy to believe there's one chance in 999999 or less, but too difficult to demonstrate it with numbers
Good luck to the others :D
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Even if I'd LOVE to win 999$..... it's impossible to debunk the numerology... It's crystal clear that everything is well planned and nothing happens by chance..
SCARED YET...?
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s238/the-happy-clown/mj_popcorn.gif)
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I could never HATE the golden pants :oops:
In fact I love the GP a lot.
I don't know why some people think that if we love the GP that means we disrespect Mr. Jackson or his messages to us :?:
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Sorry, just a silly remark: The Sign reminds me of The Symbol (Prince's "name", once) :lol:
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Thank you for your post, TS!!!
Great job as always!
I'm not interested in $999 reward...but if anyone would like to waste it's time...he/she is welcome to demonstrate something that's imposible...
I like this question: "How much more do you want???" I'm afraid that for those "fans" - Michael himself will not be the greatest evidence ...they will continue saying that it's a duble or something... :( They are lost cases to me. It's imposible for each of us not to find a little proof that Michael is ALIVE and that's all a HOAX after all your crystal clear posts. Sorry, guys! You've accepted his "death" too soon!
I have an idea...if TS has a $999 reward for showing the coincidence...I have $777+$999 for that one who will demonstrate that Michael is dead. :lol: Good luck! :D :D
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Thank you TS!
And just before it's Eliza's next court date.
At least, if this is correct:
"The Judge is scheduled to rule on the Motion by September 10, 2010. Because no opposition is expected, Eliza's request will likely be granted and an order should be entered legally recognizing her as the heir to Vernon Presley."
http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... death.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/08/happy-anniversary-of-elvis-presley-death.html)
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"You can change the world (I can’t do it by myself)
You can touch the sky (It’s gonna take somebody’s help)
You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight "
It's seems Michael found that sign...you TS (The Sign)...thank you for helping him and us!
L.O.V.E
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Thank you TS!!! Ive been so excited, but todays the day i decided to sleep in so I'm already running late :( I'll have to read this later!
Scared Yet.... i can already tell this will be good. ;)
Edit: okay, i couldnt resist so i read it very quickly, but i am still going to read it again later, since im reading pretty fast. :oops:
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
THANK YOU.!
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Agh! :shock: This is an exciting post and in response to your question- I am terrified! :lol:
LIke we're all prepared for Michael to BAM right? But when it happens I will be the first to fall on the floor with shock! :o :lol:
Thank you The Sign a morale boost was needed :)
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Thanks TS!!!
Surely no one can debunk yuor words, if it was possible they did it... but they can't do it! I really think lots of people refuse Elvis connection because they usually forget Michael Jackson is a man too not only a dancer and a singer! And in this hoax that shouldn't be forgetten!!!
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Am I amusing you or just confusing you?
[youtube:38f0vqxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXeWOeWerEw[/youtube:38f0vqxy]
TS, thanks for the post. I really appreciate the effort you put into helping everyone to see the truth.
Every post you make, makes everything more clear.
Peace
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This post is indeed what I expected. If it were an update you should have said you were going to post an update instead of a post and this will keep the opposers busy :lol:
People often say I take everything you write for truth. Not true, I question everything. At start to check if you were indeed legit, later on because I wanted to see if there were some tests in your post, just to check if we are still thinking for ourselves. I haven't really found anything yet.
I do not post my questions, because I think it's not necessary to post them if I already debunked any objections whatsoever. But because you are challenging the opposers now, I decided to take this challenge and go do some math. I will try to calculate as much as I can, but although I was pretty good at math, it's been a loooooooooong time. And I don't think the opposers will give it a shot, so i will try to debunk your numerology. That should be "Mission Impossible".
@MJAlive999: You don't get the point. TS explained many times that Mike has a reason for the parallels with Elvis. It is his hoax and he planned this for many years. The NWO is important, that is why it is so important that we are prepared and understand every aspect of the hoax before the BAM, that includes Elvis & MJ. Many more will leave before bamsday, I am sure of that, but TS is right when he says that they will all come running back after the BAM. Our task is to educate ourselves about the hoax. Most people that are still here accepted and understand the NWO, it is time to accept and understand the other aspects of the hoax.
And I get TS when he says "fans". I see so many people in here claiming to be a fans, but opposing everything that doesn't seen logical to them. Comments like "People will think we are crazy with this Elvis stuff, it's not helping the hoax" means that you are afraid that people call you nuts. It has nothing to do with your so called love for Mike, YOU don't want to bee thought of as a lunatic. That sounds kind of selfish to me. If Mike thinks it's important, then it IS important, because he is the one that has been planning this hoax for 20+ years. Opposing aspects of the hoax is opposing and dissing his hoax. We should accept his guidance and prepare ourselves so we will be able to answer all the questions we will definitely get after bamsday. They can call me a loony if they want, I don't give a f**k because I know their accusations are empty and ignorant. And to speak of Mike's "Is it Scary" lyrics: he told everyone you shouldn't make assumptions on his appearance.
I'm gonna be
Exactly what you wanna see
It's you whose haunting me
Your warning me
To be the stranger
In your life
I'm gonna be
Exactly what you gonna see
So did you come to me
To see your fantasies
Performed before your very eyes
A haunting ghostly treat
The foolish trickery
And spirits dancing
In the light
But if you came to see
The truth the purity
It's here inside
A lonely heart
So let the performance start
Don't ever judge a book by its cover, it might contain information, depth and an interesting story you could have never imagined if you are willing to read all its pages. We are here to 'Discover the man we never knew" remember? If we want to discover that man, we need to walk the path he paved for us, even if you don't like some destinations in between.
@TS: I don't know what you mean exactly with that link, but you know where to find us. Thanks again for your patience.
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Thanks TS! :)
As I've always said no one has debunked the numerology! For me it's still a strong evidence that TS is NOT fake! ( I never thought it was ... i believe till someone debunk it lol)
BUT imo you lost some followers due to the elvis/MJ connection (maybe MJ did not imagine it, idk) and we are not in position to lose followers since the NWO is something SERIOUS!
You sounded and made many ppl believe that MJ hoax depends exclusively of Eliza case! as if any event had been pre-planned ( eliza steps) because of this i asked you what would you be doing if this had not happened. You said ''God's work'' ..ok, i do believe in God but ... it seemed a vague answer ... (just my opinion).
and I need to say ... Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?
do i need to LIKE it just because of MJ did it? it seems like MJ is judging most of his fans ...
I do LOVE MJ for the human being that he is! Ppl from here know very well that I just HATE things like goldpants and dude things like that (i think it's enough to show a little of my personality) but to say that "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?'' ''FANS'' ... oh no, i am sorry! Are you a real fan only if you agree with everything?? We are talking about MJ not bieber or Twilight (nothing against them)
fanaticism = wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm.
well, seems like i'm just someone who respect and loves MJ a LOT. I don't know if I can be called 'fan'
anyway ... So Far i am just waiting to see what is going to happen! I don't believe and i don't disbelieve ... just waiting! ;)"
scared yet = final thriller edition (TII) :D
MJalive999 It is "funny", the sentence "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??" also got my pressure up and for exactly the same reasons as described in your post! Blind following is for sheep-s and until further notice, freedom of decision, is a right I wish to keep and WILL keep!
Take a deep breath...and the sun is shining again! :)
Speaking of Eliza’s case, and the next step: there’s often a 30-day window for objection to a Motion for Summary Judgment. For now, though, let’s wait until there are major developments in Eliza’s case, before going to the media again about Eliza.
An objection was indeed filed on the 16th August and it is unclear how this will impact the pending Eliza hearing. It is indeed sensible to wait for further major developments before going to the media again!!!
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=106&t=12615&start=50#p224468
The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
There is limited value in spending time dis-proving the numerology on the ground of probability - the probability of the 12 "events" listed (on the ground stated) happening by chance is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE. This is one strong evidence of the HOAX and TS being Legit.
...Continuing to "support" TS (Thanks for your update The Sign! You have proven to be a good tHREAD sTARTER!). The pie has got most of its ingredients by now, it has been cooking for a while... the icing is however yet to come! ;)
Scared? Not yet! Just a bit worried that the cake may end up being over-cooked!
With L.O.V.E
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Souza you always seems to be a step ahead of the rest of us. I don't know how you do it.
But sometimes your words make me feel a little guilty.
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Beautifully done Michael! Thank you.
Love you...more than ever. :)
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This is awesome! Thanks for all the clarification, TS! I could really use $999 :lol: but I know it's impossible!
You're beautiful :)
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I don't think that when TS says that Michael does not appreciate when fans dismiss the Elvis connection it means that Michael 'hates' his fans or don't consider them as fans. Plus, TS clearly points out a difference between those who love 'only' his music and those who also love the person, in my opinion implying that when you really love someone you show this love by making compromises.
If people agree to not accept everything just because it comes from Michael I think that we can expect Michael to not accept everything just because it comes from his "fans". TS even used the word 'disrespectful'...I understand that TS is saying that the Elvis hoax is important for Michael and is tied in his own hoax, it's obvious and people have to recognize it if they really love Michael, the person, which means that even if they don't love Elvis, even if they think that it gives less credibilty to the hoax or whatever other reasons, they have to accept it because Michael has planned it to be part of this hoax and the blatant similarities and so-called "coincidences" just prove it. Unless they consider these as being real coincidences or maybe don't agree with how this hoax has been planned and would suggest Michael how he should have done instead?...
Of course we musn't forget the reasons of this hoax and always see things from this perspective. I think that we all agree to say that the NWO is a big threat and that we are here to fight against it, therefore the fear of going to the media or being ridiculed should be absolutely forgotten. We are soldiers of love.
Thank you TS for this post. Brilliant thoughts (funny sometimes) and good explanations. The truth has to be put above everything and will definitely prevail. God bless you.
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THX for post TS ;)
great as always :lol:
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Well, well...... still digesting the long post :lol:
Honestly, who would take the time (except Souza) to debunk the numerology shown in this case?
1st some of us don´t have the time, 2nd some of us don´t have the capacity or knowledge to deal with numbers without getting crazy :lol: 3rd language barrer and a long etc..... ;)
We want more! we want more!
TS for president!
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[youtube:3ejpwhc6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96jFtzVa80A[/youtube:3ejpwhc6]
Ace Of Base The Sign Lyrics
Whoah,ah,oh,oh, YEA!
I,I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
How could a person like me care for you?
(Why?)Why do I bother
When you're not the one for me
Ooooo, is enough, enough?
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
But where do you belong?
Under the clean moon
For so many years I've wondered who you are
How could a person like you bring me joy?
Under the pale moon
Where I see a lot of stars
Ooooo Is enough, enough
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the si-ign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
But where do you belong?
Oh!Oh, oh, oh
(Larger instrumental break)
I saw the sign and it opened up my mind!
And I am happy now living without you
I've left you, oh-oh-OH!
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong
(I saw the sign - I saw the si-i-ign) I saw the sign!
(I saw the sign - I saw the si-ig-i-ign)
(i saw the sign - i saw the si-ign) i saw the sign!
And it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign! (sign, sign,sign)
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[youtube:3gxvpdgf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96jFtzVa80A[/youtube:3gxvpdgf]
Ace Of Base The Sign Lyrics
Whoah,ah,oh,oh, YEA!
I,I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
How could a person like me care for you?
(Why?)Why do I bother
When you're not the one for me
Ooooo, is enough, enough?
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
But where do you belong?
Under the clean moon
For so many years I've wondered who you are
How could a person like you bring me joy?
Under the pale moon
Where I see a lot of stars
Ooooo Is enough, enough
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the si-ign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
But where do you belong?
Oh!Oh, oh, oh
(Larger instrumental break)
I saw the sign and it opened up my mind!
And I am happy now living without you
I've left you, oh-oh-OH!
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong
(I saw the sign - I saw the si-i-ign) I saw the sign!
(I saw the sign - I saw the si-ig-i-ign)
(i saw the sign - i saw the si-ign) i saw the sign!
And it opened up my eyes, I saw the sign! (sign, sign,sign)
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is awesome! Thanks for all the clarification, TS! I could really use $999 :lol: but I know it's impossible!
You're beautiful :)
You ain't the only one. I'm thinking, "Damnit, why didn't I pay closer attention in math class?" :lol: I would've at least tried it out. That could've paid for my whole vacation I got coming up. Ah well. I guess money doesn't grow on trees and you got to work hard for it (even for a task that may be damn near impossible).
And thanks TS for an amusing post. I will say that you should really come up with another contest with a 777,777 dollar reward...you know...like a contest that says "the person who came up with the brilliant idea for this reward contest of 777,777 US dollars, gets it!" I say that is one contest I can win. ;)
And like someone else said, you are one good tHREAD sTARTER...thanks for The Sign. :)
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
TS = The Sign
I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
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LOL. Good post, The Sign
I do wonder if anyone else besides Souza will try out that $999 challenge-Man! That's a hefty amount of money, LOLz! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Good lookin' out, TS xD :D
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ARE YOU SCARED YET? ... wow, I got goosebumps reading that. Good on Mo for picking it up so quickly! TS, this latest post/update has confirmed my faith. I never had any doubts anyway, but it's just a wonderful feeling to know that Michael has planned something so amazingly intricate and that when the truth is revealed it will literally change the world as we know it. So glad to be part of it all and to witness history in the making. As we know, it's all for L.O.V.E. Thank you Michael. Oh, and thanks TS for putting an end to the speculations as to what the initials stand for. The Sign ... Sign of the Times.
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Thanks TS, first I will not compete for the $ 999, second once you're giving another good explanation on numerology and that all this is impossible to be all by chance, the parallel with Elvis that everything we've seen has it During these months, which is possible when the things are properly planned.
We will not know the singer, musician or composer, we have met the man, his message has spread that this army is ready when you need us.
TS said that Elvis fans have been saying for 33 years that he is alive, hopefully not our case. :lol:
TS is giving us some interesting dates, do not put much emphasis on them and expect everything to flow as it should be, and hopefully everything goes where it should go. ;)
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Thanks TS! :)
As I've always said no one has debunked the numerology! For me it's still a strong evidence that TS is NOT fake! ( I never thought it was ... i believe till someone debunk it lol)
BUT imo you lost some followers due to the elvis/MJ connection (maybe MJ did not imagine it, idk) and we are not in position to lose followers since the NWO is something SERIOUS!
This hoax is not about NWO only, it serves more than one purpose and has multiple levels. The Elvis/MJ connection is huge, and runs like a red thread through the last two decades of Mike's life. Whether you like it or not - it is there. Opposing and objecting to it will not make it go away. I know you're only here for MJ and that you don't care about Elvis, but MJ clearly does care about Elvis and after all this is HIS hoax.
You sounded and made many ppl believe that MJ hoax depends exclusively of Eliza case! as if any event had been pre-planned ( eliza steps) because of this i asked you what would you be doing if this had not happened. You said ''God's work'' ..ok, i do believe in God but ... it seemed a vague answer ... (just my opinion).
I most definitely do not agree on what you say about TS sounding and making people believe that MJ's hoax exclusively depends on Eliza's case. I would really advise those who assume this to reread Update #6.
Regarding "pre-planning" events in Eliza's case:
Eliza filed her Petition for Paternity on 14-AUG-2009. From that date on, there was one year to oppose that petition. When TS posted Update #6 already 9 months had gone by without anyone opposing the petition. What are the odds that someone would oppose in the remaining 3 months? Not that big I think. What were the odds that Eliza would file a Motion for Default Judgment right before the year elapsed? BIG. Either way, there WOULD be an event in the Eliza case, whether it was someone opposing before the year elapsed or Eliza filing for Default Judgment. It's as simple as that.
and I need to say ... Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?
do i need to LIKE it just because of MJ did it? it seems like MJ is judging most of his fans ...
I do LOVE MJ for the human being that he is! Ppl from here know very well that I just HATE things like goldpants and dude things like that (i think it's enough to show a little of my personality) but to say that ''Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?'' ''FANS'' ... oh no, i am sorry! Are you a real fan only if you agree with everything?? We are talking about MJ not bieber or Twilight (nothing against them)
fanaticism = wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm.
TS wants you to think for yourself and not follow someone blindly. The Elvis connection IS there, you don't "have to like it" but it IS THERE for you to see and it has a reason. Compare it to the NWO connection - just because people don't like it, it doesn't mean it's not there. Just like you don't appreciate people opposing the NWO connection (while it's not even your hoax), I can clearly understand that MJ doesn't appreciate his fans opposing the Elvis connection. Again, it's HIS hoax.
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For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
However, if we wait till the public knows: nobody will pay attention to us then, because everybody will know by then from the mainstream media. If we rattle cages now: then when it comes out in public, they will be back to find out how we knew BEFORE it came out publicly! Then they will be much more ready to listen to the rest of the message!
Exactly!Imagine if for once, two conspiracy theories are proven NOT theories anymore! Wouldn't this make people look at conspiracies in general in a different light? That's why we ALL have to be united in this, 'rattle cages' in TS's words. Whether people believe us or not or think of us as lunatics doesn't matter, who gives a fuck! The important fact is that people are made aware of these two "conspiracy theories"(E&Mj), for when they are proven REAL, it will be easier to expose the biggest conspiracy of all, NWO, without being rejected by the majority for having a vivid imagination. THIS IS A ONCE IN HISTORY OPPORTUNITY of doing something to help the world FOR REAL. This is genius! I'm honoured to be part of this. Thank you TS! Thank you Michael! Admiration is too weak a word in this context, it goes way beyond that!
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The numerology is showing all connections between Elvis and Michael, who have no objections, but many disagree and yet do not demonstrate the opposite of what TS has explained.
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i have a sister who many years ago said she would not believe elvis was dead unless someone in particular told her so.i recently ask her if she ever got a chance to ask him about it and she said that she had not had the right opportunity.at the time i thought she was flakey :lol: gezz i hope it being so wouldn't make me have to rethink that :o back in the jacket :(
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Thanks TS! :)
As I've always said no one has debunked the numerology! For me it's still a strong evidence that TS is NOT fake! ( I never thought it was ... i believe till someone debunk it lol)
BUT imo you lost some followers due to the elvis/MJ connection (maybe MJ did not imagine it, idk) and we are not in position to lose followers since the NWO is something SERIOUS!
You sounded and made many ppl believe that MJ hoax depends exclusively of Eliza case! as if any event had been pre-planned ( eliza steps) because of this i asked you what would you be doing if this had not happened. You said ''God's work'' ..ok, i do believe in God but ... it seemed a vague answer ... (just my opinion).
and I need to say ... Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?
do i need to LIKE it just because of MJ did it? it seems like MJ is judging most of his fans ...
I do LOVE MJ for the human being that he is! Ppl from here know very well that I just HATE things like goldpants and dude things like that (i think it's enough to show a little of my personality) but to say that "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection?'' ''FANS'' ... oh no, i am sorry! Are you a real fan only if you agree with everything?? We are talking about MJ not bieber or Twilight (nothing against them)
fanaticism = wildly excessive or irrational devotion, dedication, or enthusiasm.
well, seems like i'm just someone who respect and loves MJ a LOT. I don't know if I can be called 'fan'
anyway ... So Far i am just waiting to see what is going to happen! I don't believe and i don't disbelieve ... just waiting! ;)"
scared yet = final thriller edition (TII) :D
MJalive999 It is "funny", the sentence "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??" also got my pressure up and for exactly the same reasons as described in your post! Blind following is for sheep-s and until further notice, freedom of decision, is a right I wish to keep and WILL keep!
Take a deep breath...and the sun is shining again! :)
Thanks :)
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here is a funny thought i just had . what if in the end it is confirmed that ts does indeed have the inside scoop and it is someone that no one expects and nearly everyone rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy dislikes :o :( ;) :shock: 8-) :cry:
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here is a funny thought i just had . what if in the end it is confirmed that ts does indeed have the inside scoop and it is someone that no one expects and nearly everyone rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy dislikes :o :( ;) :shock: 8-) :cry:
Does it matter if TS is someone who is liked or not..? It's about the evidence TS presents, not about who TS is, and no matter who TS is, it won't change the evidence he provided.
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here is a funny thought i just had . what if in the end it is confirmed that ts does indeed have the inside scoop and it is someone that no one expects and nearly everyone rrrrrrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy dislikes :o :( ;) :shock: 8-) :cry:
Well, that would be another great lesson to be taught. I like TS, and was he/she someone I didn't particularly like, that would be proof that judging too quickly is always a mistake.
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I echo what Mo wrote. Scared Yet? I sure hope so. One Love.
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For those who want to see a list of them, LilWendy has done a great job of keeping track {http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/}.
I just wanted to clarify that this url will change as whenever I do an update, I change the date of when it was updated which changes the URL.
ie The above URL was updated on Sept 9th. When I updated it on the 8th the URL was "http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/09/08/www-thisisalsoit-com-to-date/"
If you're confused, just go to the main URL for my blog http://www.mjsarmyoflove.com or http://lilwendy.wordpress.com and search for the redirects on there.
Hope this helps!
PS: Thank you TS for your patience with us, and your dedication!!!
PPS: Hey TS, can you believe I snagged THAT URL???!!! (mjsarmyoflove.com) I'm blessed!
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It has nothing to do with your so called love for Mike, YOU don't want to bee thought of as a lunatic. That sounds kind of selfish to me.
please souza..stop it! you are offending me!
you weren't there for MJ in 2005!
You don't know how HARD has been my life with my family because of my love for MJ. Don't say that i don't want to be called ''lunatic''. I've been called much worse things! YOU don't know me! YOU don't have any idea how my life is! I have my reasons ... i don't oppose to elvis/MJ connection, i am NOT blind ... but many things has happened since then and i don't have the obligation of LIKE it!
people can call me anything they want, i don't give a sh*t, but i can't stand more stupid comments about MJ (omg, i am so selfish)
Since that day of elvis and mj rally on Twitter which i could NOT to be online (unfortunately i have my own life), since that day you've been treating me with indifference! as it was MY fault.
'' dont get the point''
who got the point? I think TS would have done his OWN blog, so he would be the only one who knows more than anyone here!
it seems like only you got the point ... i know you are trying to help but understand that for many ppl like me the emotion comes first that the reason and it makes things more difficult.
I'm not afraid to say what i think, I'm not afraid to admit that i am/was wrong about something!
If you don't like my doubts and questions or if you think i am too dude to ''get the point'' let me know and i will stop posting here (as many people do), but don't call me SELFISH!
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Sorry, just a silly remark: The Sign reminds me of The Symbol (Prince's "name", once) :lol:
This is EXACTLY what I thought of too!!!! This comment and then I thought of this video!
[youtube:ryr6ulhe]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5fRVm3k1aY[/youtube:ryr6ulhe]
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Great minds @serenitys_dream!
Souza you always seems to be a step ahead of the rest of us. I don't know how you do it.
But sometimes your words make me feel a little guilty.
Sweetie, we all have our areas of giftedness, if we learn to work together, we will be better for it. No one is better than the other. However, I do agree Souza brings a lot to the table. :D But so do you!
You guys are all amazing!
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So why SCARED YET? I know Michael says that in his Ghosts movie but are we supposed to be scared? I shouldn't think it would be of Michael's return, or the hoax. Perhaps scared of the plans the NW0/1llum1n@ti
have for humanity? Obviously I'm scared to even type those words properly!
What I find funny is that when I mention Michael Jackson faking his death to anyone who just assumes he died on June 25th, the reaction 99% of the time is: "Ya sure. He's probably with Elvis". Ha! My response: "Well, actually..." It's weird that so many started dismissing what TS was saying when the Elvis parallels were brought to the forefront. I mean, where do you think MJ got the idea to fake his death? He's obviously had this planned for the longest time, down to the smallest details. I really don't think anyone will be able to pass the coincidence test and get the $999 but if someone does, does TS already have the answer? Maybe this test is a challenge to prove once and for all that TS is legitimate and not just fooling around with numbers.
And I think it's safe to say that TS and TMZ aren't just messing with us. Harvey and the staff are way too busy to give us so many clues for well over a year now if there wasn't something huge going on behind the scenes. The titles, wording, timing, etc. of many of their articles are obviously thought out well in advance and are very deliberate and the fact that TS has pointed out many things BEFORE a TMZ story comes out makes everything that much more credible. I think we all dissect the TMZ articles quite accurately and a big part of our doing that is thanks to TS. They're giving us the information, we just have to know how to find it. I know I've said this stuff before about TMZ and TS so sorry if I'm being repetitive...
So thank you TS for helping us look in the right direction.
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Thanks TS for a great post... i will be re-reading later... :D love to you and MJ x
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It has nothing to do with your so called love for Mike, YOU don't want to bee thought of as a lunatic. That sounds kind of selfish to me.
please souza..stop it! you are offending me!
you weren't there for MJ in 2005!
You don't know how HARD has been my life with my family because of my love for MJ. Don't say that i don't want to be called ''lunatic''. I've been called much worse things! YOU don't know me! YOU don't have any idea how my life is! I have my reasons ... i don't oppose to elvis/MJ connection, i am NOT blind ... but many things has happened since then and i don't have the obligation of LIKE it!
people can call me anything they want, i don't give a sh*t, but i can't stand more stupid comments about MJ (omg, i am so selfish)
Since that day of elvis and mj rally on Twitter which i could NOT to be online (unfortunately i have my own life), since that day you've been treating me with indifference! as it was MY fault.
'' dont get the point''
who got the point? I think TS would have done his OWN blog, so he would be the only one who knows more than anyone here!
it seems like only you got the point ... i know you are trying to help but understand that for many ppl like me the emotion comes first that the reason and it makes things more difficult.
I'm not afraid to say what i think, I'm not afraid to admit that i am/was wrong about something!
If you don't like my doubts and questions or if you think i am too dude to ''get the point'' let me know and i will stop posting here (as many people do), but don't call me SELFISH!
I never treated you any way, all I did was try to tell you you should be looking into more aspects of the hoax. You are accusing me of not being a loyal fan that followed his every step. I did not go to Santa Barbara back in 2005 with my banner to support him, that is correct, but that doesn't mean I thought he was guilty. I am not a person to look up to people that are famous, I don't envy them and I don't think following them as if they have a honey bucket sticked to their asses will help them. I do appreciate the fans that were there for him outside the court house, I think it helped him to see the support, but that is something totally different. I support artists by buying their albums or buying a ticket to their concerts and that's it. What they do all day in their private lives is none of my business. That doesn't mean I never appreciated him as an artist or as a humanitarian. Stop blaming me for not being a fan, just because you are pissed that I support Elvis&MJ and you disagree. That's not my fault. I have multiple things I don't like about this hoax, yet I support it in every possible way because this is his masterwork and it is for a damn good cause. If that means I have to read things or do stuff I don't like, then so be it, the goal is too important to be selfish here. And Elvis&MJ is not one of the things I dislike, because I think it's very interesting and I also respect Elvis very much. Opposing parts of the hoax because you don't like it, IS selfish, I can't think of another word. That doesn't mean I think you as a person are selfish, I can't know that, because I don't know you.
You have had a problem with me for months now, only because of Elvis&MJ and if you want to keep making a problem of that, then that's your choice. I have never treated you or attacked you the way you are attacking me now.
Accepting this aspect of the hoax would maybe give you some piece of mind, but that's totally up to you.
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This is awesome! I'm sooo excited, I don't have time to read it now, my daughters birthday is today and so I have to go to town now! I did see the words SCARED YET on my own, I'm sure others have found it already! I believe with all my heart that the end of the world as we know it is near, but I'm not scared, just eager to know all truth and not be deceived, to be ready to fight in God's Army of Love! CHEERS! :P
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It has nothing to do with your so called love for Mike, YOU don't want to bee thought of as a lunatic. That sounds kind of selfish to me.
please souza..stop it! you are offending me!
you weren't there for MJ in 2005!
You don't know how HARD has been my life with my family because of my love for MJ. Don't say that i don't want to be called ''lunatic''. I've been called much worse things! YOU don't know me! YOU don't have any idea how my life is! I have my reasons ... i don't oppose to elvis/MJ connection, i am NOT blind ... but many things has happened since then and i don't have the obligation of LIKE it!
people can call me anything they want, i don't give a sh*t, but i can't stand more stupid comments about MJ (omg, i am so selfish)
Since that day of elvis and mj rally on Twitter which i could NOT to be online (unfortunately i have my own life), since that day you've been treating me with indifference! as it was MY fault.
'' dont get the point''
who got the point? I think TS would have done his OWN blog, so he would be the only one who knows more than anyone here!
it seems like only you got the point ... i know you are trying to help but understand that for many ppl like me the emotion comes first that the reason and it makes things more difficult.
I'm not afraid to say what i think, I'm not afraid to admit that i am/was wrong about something!
If you don't like my doubts and questions or if you think i am too dude to ''get the point'' let me know and i will stop posting here (as many people do), but don't call me SELFISH!
I never treated you any way, all I did was try to tell you you should be looking into more aspects of the hoax. You are accuding me of not being a loyal fan that followed his every step. I did not go to Santa Barbara back in 2005 with my banner to support him, that is correct, but that doesn't mean I thought he was guilty. I am not a person to look up to people that are famous, I don't envy them and I don't think following them as if they have a honey bucket sticked to their asses will help them. I do appreciate the fans that were there for him outside the court house, I think it helped him to see the support, but that is something totally different. I support artists by buying their albums or buying a ticket to their concerts and that's it. What they do all day in their private lives is none of my business. That doesn't mean I never appreciated him as an artist or as a humanitarian. Stop blaming me for not being a fan, just because you are pissed that I support Elvis&MJ and you disagree. That's not my fault. I have multiple things I don't like about this hoax, yet I support it in every possible way because this is his masterwork and it is for a damn good cause. If that means I have to read things or do stuff I don't like, then so be it, the goal is too important to be selfish here. And Elvis&MJ is not one of the things I dislike, because I think it's very interesting and I also respect Elvis very much. opposing parts of the hoax because you don't like it, IS selfish, I can't think of another word. That doesn't mean I think you as a person are selfish, I can't know that, because I don't know you.
You have had a problem with me for months now, only because of Elvis&MJ and if you want to keep making a problem of that, then that's your choice. I have never treated you or attacked you the way you are attacking me now.
Accepting this aspect of the hoax would maybe give you some piece of mind, but that's totally up to you.
just because you are pissed that I support Elvis&MJ and you disagree
:lol: :lol: oh Lord, give me patience!
am I having problems with you???
My message was for TS not for you oO you don't accept the fact i'm not a fan of elvis/MJ connection anymore. Can I Change My opinion, Please? But I STILL support TS! imo, that's what matters! I'm just waiting to see what's going to happen ;)
And I will no longer disturb you or your forum! No more comment by me.
(TS, Do you have MSN? I still have some questions regarding the updates.)
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It has nothing to do with your so called love for Mike, YOU don't want to bee thought of as a lunatic. That sounds kind of selfish to me.
please souza..stop it! you are offending me!
you weren't there for MJ in 2005!
You don't know how HARD has been my life with my family because of my love for MJ. Don't say that i don't want to be called ''lunatic''. I've been called much worse things! YOU don't know me! YOU don't have any idea how my life is! I have my reasons ... i don't oppose to elvis/MJ connection, i am NOT blind ... but many things has happened since then and i don't have the obligation of LIKE it!
people can call me anything they want, i don't give a sh*t, but i can't stand more stupid comments about MJ (omg, i am so selfish)
Since that day of elvis and mj rally on Twitter which i could NOT to be online (unfortunately i have my own life), since that day you've been treating me with indifference! as it was MY fault.
'' dont get the point''
who got the point? I think TS would have done his OWN blog, so he would be the only one who knows more than anyone here!
it seems like only you got the point ... i know you are trying to help but understand that for many ppl like me the emotion comes first that the reason and it makes things more difficult.
I'm not afraid to say what i think, I'm not afraid to admit that i am/was wrong about something!
If you don't like my doubts and questions or if you think i am too dude to ''get the point'' let me know and i will stop posting here (as many people do), but don't call me SELFISH!
I never treated you any way, all I did was try to tell you you should be looking into more aspects of the hoax. You are accusing me of not being a loyal fan that followed his every step. I did not go to Santa Barbara back in 2005 with my banner to support him, that is correct, but that doesn't mean I thought he was guilty. I am not a person to look up to people that are famous, I don't envy them and I don't think following them as if they have a honey bucket sticked to there asses will help them. I do appreciate the fans that were there for him outside the court house, I think it helped him to see the support, but that is something totally different. I support artists by buying their albums or buying a ticket to their concerts and that's it. What they do all day in their private lives is none of my business. That doesn't mean I never appreciated him as an artist or as a humanitarian. Stop blaming me for not being a fan, just because you are pissed that I support Elvis&MJ and you disagree. That's not my fault. I have multiple things I don't like about this hoax, yet I support it in every possible way because this is his masterwork and it is for a damn good cause. If that means I have to read things or do stuff I don't like, then so be it, the goal is too important to be selfish here. And Elvis&MJ is not one of the things I dislike, because I think it's very interesting and I also respect Elvis very much. opposing parts of the hoax because you don't like it, IS selfish, I can't think of another word. That doesn't mean I think you as a person are selfish, because I can't know that, because I don't know you.
You have had a problem with me for months now, only because of Elvis&MJ and if you want to keep making a problem of that, then that's your choice. I have never treated you or attacked you the way you are attacking me now.
Accepting this aspect of the hoax would maybe give you some piece of mind, but that's totally up to you.
just because you are pissed that I support Elvis&MJ and you disagree
:lol: :lol: oh Lord, give me patience!
am I having problems with you???
My message was for TS not for you oO you don't accept the fact i'm not a fan of elvis/MJ connection anymore. Can I Change My opinion, Please? But I STILL support TS! imo, that's what matters! I'm just waiting to see what's going to happen ;)
And I will no longer disturb you or your forum! No more comment by me.
(TS, Do you have MSN? I still have some questions regarding the updates.)
oh Lord.. :? :? :roll:
absurd................... :roll:
can you guys just live in peace? :lol:
and MJalive999 i dont understand why you should stop posting on this forum.. :roll: you are being dramatic... :roll:
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well guys, unlike most of you here, I am a little scared. You talk so freely and so innocently about the NWO. But this is not a game, not something easy to fight with.
It's something so big and we're supposed to fight it with LOVE, right?!
Kind of reminds me of Nero - the roman emperor who had the innocent christians killed in the arena by the wild beasts.
I am not sure how the power of our love will make the change. Not that I don't believe in it, but will the people listen, will they SEE it as we do ?!
I trust Mr. Jackson has the answer :|
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Thanks TS. Still I love your post and thanks for coming to give us all this interesting info you've made my day. I am terrible at math and you just wanna kill my brain heck no I had enough with all da numbers forget the $999 haha We know he's alive that's what matters, he is alive we have to wait no matter the hope is in our hearts Mike we love you and we wait. I cannot wait for you to shut the haters up. We just got to go on with our lives and always never wavering that Mike is alive :)
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well guys, unlike most of you here, I am a little scared. You talk so freely and so innocently about the NWO. But this is not a game, not something easy to fight with.
It's something so big and we're supposed to fight it with LOVE, right?!
Kind of reminds me of Nero - the roman emperor who had the innocent christians killed in the arena by the wild beasts.
I am not sure how the power of our love will make the change. Not that I don't believe in it, but will the people listen, will they SEE it as we do ?!
I trust Mr. Jackson has the answer :|
''There's nothing that can't be done
If we raise our voice as one,, ;)
if you know what they can do you can protect yourself... ;) imagine the whole world against them.. :lol: they dont have that power if no one believes in them... ;)
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GINAFELICIA have to talk about these issues without any fear to get people out of ignorance, want to clarify that when I say ignorance is because many people do not know about the New World Order, the more people know about these issues the power of these people weakened. ;)
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I was wrong. Most of the people I know see it, but they just ignore it because they are afraid and they think they have no power over it.
But I guess we have to think positive
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I will not even try to get that reward, is not that i´m not good in numbers... but even if someone find that one posibility in 999999 we are talking about 1 in a million!!!! is not coincidence at all... i don´t need to prove it!
thanks TS!
Love you more michael... :oops:
:mrgreen:
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What about adding a bit humour and a smile and getting teacher's finger out of the room when talking about what needs to be said?
I am missing this cushion of twinkling eyes.
Instead we are getting into a school room, stand up, sit down, get silenced.
It is all for love. Always and every second of your life.
Go out, talk about it, do something about what you know and S.M.I.L.E.
Then they will listen. One word, one sentence, one chapter, one step at a time.
It takes an awful lot of time. It takes patience. It takes dedication. Love them no matter how they ridicule you. They will start listening one day. They will. They will start connecting the dots. They are no dumb masses. Much more people are aware of what is going on than you ever thought. You will be surprised. Take your strength out of the believe that you will win them into thinking land. What a priceless smile scurries over my face when someone starts asking questions.
Blessings to all.
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"chloead505"]Sorry, just a silly remark: The Sign reminds me of The Symbol (Prince's "name", once) :lol:[/quote]
Re: Thisisalmostit
by Sarahli » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:15 pm
New tweet:
"Signs and symbols, rule the World; not words, nor laws."
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TS, Thank you for your post. I always look forward to what you have to say. I feel that it is very important to look back and reread all updates. Doing so gives you a better understanding of things that may have slipped by the first time around.
The Elvis/MJ similarities are uncanny and in my opinion the numerology can not be disputed. All things according to plan. I really don't believe in conincidences. I believe everything that happens is predestined from the day one is born. Written in the stars so to speak. So all of the extensive planning of this hoax by Michael was also predetermined. Nothing is by chance.
I have the utmost faith and confidence in Michael that when the time is right the truth will be revealed. Until then, the world needs this time to fully understand and be receptive to the message he is trying to get across.
We must believe. Believe in Michael, believe in ourselves and most of all believe in God
Love and Blessings
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I was wrong. Most of the people I know see it, but they just ignore it because they are afraid and they think they have no power over it.
But I guess we have to think positive
There are so many people who are now questioning things even if they don't know the extent of this shocking truth. Those who do know are becoming quite large in number now and are coming from different angles, not Michael alone, the truth is out there all over the internet and even though threats are made to censor the internet etc... they haven't actually done it and I'd say if they were going to do it they would have by now. They only draw attention and suspiscion to themselves by making these threats, which makes people question and look. The truth is not being blocked from people, just hidden. As things develop, so our numbers will grow and we will become the flock that others will look to for guidance. I agree it can feel a little scary at times but trust that Michael would never start something that he could not finish. Trust in God/ Love, which ever your choice of word, this will not fail because it is too powerful, The powers that be are losing their grip as we grow stronger. Everything will be OK once more and more people see the light and they will. ;)
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TS you are the best, thank you for sharing all of this. God Bless.
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Thanks, TS, it's impressing. Some are striking, fe the similarities MJ/Elvis. For me there's no need to prove, but it's good to know what numerology means in the hoax.
L.O.V.E.
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Thank you TS!! "Scared yet" instantly reminded me of Ghosts and also about how Jackie kept tweeting about Ghosts on Michael's birthday and how everyone needs to watch it. Is there something in it that we are missing? It's either a clue or Jackie REALLY REALLY loves the video. :lol:
Peace and Love to all!
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Thank you so much for your time and effort TS. And thank you so much for answering our questions about you,TMZ, TII etc. As some of you know I wrote that I lost my trust to TS after Elvis posts. And I know so many believers who used to believe in TS lost their trust after Elvis posts too. But this has nothing to do with being disrespectful to Elvis or Lisa Marie. I love Elvis but I'm not a fan of him. Many people on this forum are very young and we missed Elvis era. And seeing many posts about him, actually bored us. I'm being honest here, no disrespect intention. I saw many believers say "Who cares about Elvis? We're MJ fans, not Elvis'". And I do understand where they come from. I think it made some believers sad to see Elvis becoming like the main point of the investigation. I think we felt like we are sharing this forum of MJ hoax investigation with Elvis and it bothered some of us. I think it's all about our big love for Michael and we don't want to share him with noone else. And I think we don't want to share a forum which was dedicated to him with someone else. I might be using wrong words but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
I am an open hearted and open minded person and I never prejudge or decide what to think about someone or something before I give a chance. Yes, I wrote that I lost my trust but I didn't stop reading and investigating. I read Elvis&MJ page and watched the videos, and also read Eliza's forum too and I can see the connections btw the two.(Elvis&MJ) It can be something selfish because I still want to hear things about Michael only. But after this post of yours I understood how important Elvis connection is for Michael and if it is important for Michael then it is important for us too.
I didn't join the media awareness campaign because I was seriously so so scared to put Michael's life in danger. And just to protect him, I risked myself to fail the test or disappoint Michael. Because his life is more important than anything to me. I want him to be safe. Anyways, a couple of days ago I read ALL of your updates once again. And realized I was making a mistake by losing faith in you. Like you said the dates are so obvious to be a coincidence and you didn't decide for those dates. And neither the family did. Only one genius could do this perfect plan and it was Michael himself! And I started to make posts on LKL blog and I use your updates to show the non-believers the truth. http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/doctor-charged-in-michael-jacksons-death-returns-to-court/#comment-514199 (I'm LiberianGirl on that blog) They still think that we are lunatics but I still keep on writing :)
Once again, thank you so so much for clearing things up. And I apologize from you for thinking that you could be a fake. God bless you TS. I do suggest people who lost their trust in TS after Elvis posts, to read all of TS' updates from day 1 once again. And you will understand.
I believe you, I trust you, I Love You Michael.
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Ok, assuming that Michael is alive, in fraud of death that he planned for years, or not, you have an idea suitable for their return, without dozens of counts of forgery and embezzlement ideological, for example?
Fantasies aside, Michael would not sell soon all you have sold since that fateful day of 2009/06/25 and her legacy would not have as high a value without such the death.
Most fans would abandon it immediately, without counting the "fanatics" that could threaten death throughout the Jackson family.
Michael, in turn, would have no peace, definitely.
On the other hand, hazing does not make sense, if Michael does not return. The idea of "Heal the World" and "It's All About Love" is interesting, pretty, but does not apply in smaller lanes, or subliminal messages, because the majority of fans and admirers, would not understand.
Michael would not develop a project "Heal the World" and "anti - New World Order" or something similar to achieve minimum public.
There is another thought: "MJ faked his death, not to save the world but to save himself because he suffered death threats. So he will not return."
In this case, Michael would be selfish and cowardly, hiding from "vacation" for ever, with the money of fans duped? That makes no sense with all that he preached in his life, although it is considered a business expert.
Michael faced everyone and everything in much of his life, or someone thinks he has never suffered death threats? An intelligent man, experienced in show business since his early age, has always been the target of cruel people. So do not for one or more other nonsense that he would disappear forever from everything and everyone - especially his sons still small.
Besides being inconceivable the idea of keeping it hidden forever, because every suspicious movement would be highly profitable on the cover of a newspaper.
Your thoughts?
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Your thoughts?
I didn't understand your post word for word but I get the idea of what you are saying. MJ isn't going to change the world by not coming back. He's not even going to change his fan base, obviously. So the return is guaranteed more or less.
I'm thinking Elvis genuinely wanted to escape his F'ed up life and that was his hoax's purpose, that's why his had few clues, but I do believe Michael has LONG wanted to heal the world. He knows he's one of the few people, or maybe the ONLY person, who can inspire change on a global scale.
He didn't do this to run away, he WAS run'ed away, he came BACK to do this. He's not going to change anything being dead from Propofol. The comeback, I mean take over, is part of the plan just by default reasoning.
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The comeback, I mean take over, is part of the plan just by default reasoning.
Take over, yes! I like that.
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:D Thanks TS very much! The numbers simply do not lie no matter how much a person tries make them work in their favor....unless you plan them right ;) . MJ is obviously a Master Planner because only those numbers work for him. I sooooo get it and use numerology myself.
For thousands of years humans have used numerology as a way of life and for some of us this way of life is very important to this day. Hell, this country we call the United States of America was built based on numerology. Now that many of us are "re-learning" this secret we can now figure out where our governments are trying to lead us. The Jig Is Up :twisted: !
That's all folks :lol:
:mrgreen:
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Thank you, once again, TS for a very insightful post! I am glad that you are offering a reward because if there is anything that can motivate people to do something...it is, unfortunately, money (“anything for money”). I doubt, however, that your bank account will be affected in anyway :lol: ...although, it will be fun and interesting to see if anyone attempts a claim to the cash. I, myself, have spent countless, sleepless nights, going over and researching all of the info you’ve put forward since day one. I can very confidently say that my findings suggest that the numerology embedded within the layers of this hoax is rock solid!
As for TS’s comments about the “fans”....I agree with the statements 100%. There are those that love MJ ‘the artist’...they love his songs and performances and appreciate his great talent. But I would venture to guess that the majority of people on this forum would claim that their love of Michael goes beyond ‘the artist’ and extends to ‘the man’. Put another way, most of us would say that Michael’s musical talent is simply ONE aspect of our love and appreciation for him...we ‘love’ MJ for the man he has always been and for the type of man he has always tried to be, even when faced with the greed and hatred others flung at him. But ‘love’ is a very interesting concept, isn’t it? It is, today, perhaps the most over-used word in the English language when one considers its true depth of meaning. It’s easy to say we ‘love’ MJ but what does it really mean to you when you say it? To me, it has to include accepting, respecting and supporting him throughout this adventure, even if, at times, I am unsure of his reasoning. And the reason I can say that with 100% certainty is because the MJ that I have loved for 37 years would never ask his fans to go along with anything that was a danger to them in anyway.
The Elvis/MJ connection is perhaps the one aspect of the hoax that has triggered the most resistance (other than TS lol). The hardest thing for me to understand is how someone can believe in TS’s authenticity (which has been proven repeatedly)...yet, they are hesitant in supporting the Elvis/MJ connection. If you believe in TS, then you already believe that he/she/they are somehow closely connected to Michael. If that’s the case, then why has TS repeatedly pointed to the connection unless MJ felt it important to do so?? Do you think that TS is somehow covertly sliding the connection into the redirects, updates and posts without MJ knowing about it? 8-) Something tells me TS would be out of a job if that were the case :lol: ;) We may not know all the reasoning, but it is clear that this connection is important to the hoax....but even more important than that, is the fact that this hoax is HIS adventure...the man we supposedly ‘love’. Criticizing the Elvis/MJ connection is like criticizing the Mona Lisa because you don’t like the color of her eyes. If that is the case, paint yourself a masterpiece and color the eyes any color you like. Likewise, when you fake your own death....leave Elvis out of it! Until then, I think we need to continue showing MJ our unfailing support...no matter which direction he leads us in this great adventure.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I am grateful for the new post, TS. I seriously doubt Western Union will be getting any business from you, btw. :)
You can count on me to do my share of "rattling cages" and preparing for the new members after bamsday. Speaking of bamsday, I can almost hear the sound of that torrential rain of truth, the avalanche that will descend at that moment, bringing awareness, awakening, and hope to hearts all over the world. I can almost sense Michael waiting in the wings for his cue....... I think he will be very happy and relieved at the same time, kind of like after a performance, or at least in the home stretch, when he knows he's nailed it. ;) Thanks again, for your candor in revealing a little more of yourself to us. God bless you.
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Thank you for your post, TS Great job
i feel like i found a gold mind when i found this site.
coming on here to read makes my day.
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You go girl!
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Thank you so much TS.
And thank you Mike to keep our faith.
I love you. :D
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Such an interesting post TS.......the $999 REwarD is a great twist. Hopefully it will have people actually begin to think....it has me. I found some interesting sites about....what is coincidence? One that caught my eye is the Wiki site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence)
at the bottom it talks about Deepak Chopra and the Vedic teachings that are of the profound belief there are no coincidences in the world. That got me thinking of the Albert Einstein quote, " There are no coincidences". Again, that got me thinking of gematria. I looked at the match for SCARED YET:
100 = scared yet = hospital, acquitted, Threatened, birthmark, Diana Ross
I also changed around the letters in scared yet to form:
SECRET DAY
I think these are some odd coincidences......or are they?
Thanks for making me think. I might even try to get your $999! Might!
Blessings Always
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The comeback, I mean take over, is part of the plan just by default reasoning.
Take over, yes! I like that.
Back's words - a take over :twisted:
Amazing
Love you Michael....or should I say Back :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is awesome! I'm sooo excited, I don't have time to read it now, my daughters birthday is today and so I have to go to town now! I did see the words SCARED YET on my own, I'm sure others have found it already! I believe with all my heart that the end of the world as we know it is near, but I'm not scared, just eager to know all truth and not be deceived, to be ready to fight in God's Army of Love! CHEERS! :P
I saw the Scared Yet before too; I love TS' humor! The Sign also made me think of a Bible verse:
Matthew 24:30 (New King James Version)
30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
The NWO aren't just your ordinary villain.
WishingStar, I liked your Scared Yet = Secret Day. Bam! Very cool!
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Thank You TS! I'm ready when HIS ready! It's all for love! L.O.V.E. ;)
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waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
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waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
@TS: the Link is up on the Elvis & MJ page: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvisandmj.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvisandmj.php)
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Thank you so much for your time and effort TS. And thank you so much for answering our questions about you,TMZ, TII etc. As some of you know I wrote that I lost my trust to TS after Elvis posts. And I know so many believers who used to believe in TS lost their trust after Elvis posts too. But this has nothing to do with being disrespectful to Elvis or Lisa Marie. I love Elvis but I'm not a fan of him. Many people on this forum are very young and we missed Elvis era. And seeing many posts about him, actually bored us. I'm being honest here, no disrespect intention. I saw many believers say "Who cares about Elvis? We're MJ fans, not Elvis'". And I do understand where they come from. I think it made some believers sad to see Elvis becoming like the main point of the investigation. I think we felt like we are sharing this forum of MJ hoax investigation with Elvis and it bothered some of us. I think it's all about our big love for Michael and we don't want to share him with noone else. And I think we don't want to share a forum which was dedicated to him with someone else. I might be using wrong words but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
I am an open hearted and open minded person and I never prejudge or decide what to think about someone or something before I give a chance. Yes, I wrote that I lost my trust but I didn't stop reading and investigating. I read Elvis&MJ page and watched the videos, and also read Eliza's forum too and I can see the connections btw the two.(Elvis&MJ) It can be something selfish because I still want to hear things about Michael only. But after this post of yours I understood how important Elvis connection is for Michael and if it is important for Michael then it is important for us too.
I didn't join the media awareness campaign because I was seriously so so scared to put Michael's life in danger. And just to protect him, I risked myself to fail the test or disappoint Michael. Because his life is more important than anything to me. I want him to be safe. Anyways, a couple of days ago I read ALL of your updates once again. And realized I was making a mistake by losing faith in you. Like you said the dates are so obvious to be a coincidence and you didn't decide for those dates. And neither the family did. Only one genius could do this perfect plan and it was Michael himself! And I started to make posts on LKL blog and I use your updates to show the non-believers the truth. http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/23/doctor-charged-in-michael-jacksons-death-returns-to-court/#comment-514199 (I'm LiberianGirl on that blog) They still think that we are lunatics but I still keep on writing :)
Once again, thank you so so much for clearing things up. And I apologize from you for thinking that you could be a fake. God bless you TS. I do suggest people who lost their trust in TS after Elvis posts, to read all of TS' updates from day 1 once again. And you will understand.
I believe you, I trust you, I Love You Michael.
Very good post . :)
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@ PureLove
There are very few non- believers on that blog. The rest of us keep trying to spread the word and they keep calling us names. Oh well, they are missing out on the greatest show on earth!
@ T.S
Thank you for clearing up the initials issue.
The Sign~ Much better than Top Secret :lol:
Also, I don't understand what you mean by "Scared Yet"? Halloween???
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Well TS, it seems you have offended quite some people... Some people are totally finishing you off on Twitter.
I wish people would learn to read :?
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Well TS, it seems you have offended quite some people... Some people are totally finishing you off on Twitter.
I wish people would learn to read :?
Really? I haven't seen that, though I am not very active on twitter so don't have many followers or follow many people.
What are they offended about? I don't get it. :?
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Well TS, it seems you have offended quite some people... Some people are totally finishing you off on Twitter.
I wish people would learn to read :?
Really? I haven't seen that, though I am not very active on twitter so don't have many followers or follow many people.
What are they offended about? I don't get it. :?
I think they feel addressed over the "fans" comment TS made. Saying that TS said Mike hates certain people because they are objecting the Elvis connection. The only thing TS said was "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??" which means he doesn't appreciate the opposing of it, not the fans itself. His words are misunderstood and twisted and that's sad. Some are pretty angry.
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Well TS, it seems you have offended quite some people... Some people are totally finishing you off on Twitter.
I wish people would learn to read :?
Really? I haven't seen that, though I am not very active on twitter so don't have many followers or follow many people.
What are they offended about? I don't get it. :?
I think they feel addressed over the "fans" comment TS made. Saying that TS said Mike hates certain people because they are objecting the Elvis connection. The only thing TS said was "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??" which means he doesn't appreciate the opposing of it, not the fans itself. His words are misunderstood and twisted and that's sad. Some are pretty angry.
Ugh. Come on guys. There is no need to be offended. Sometimes I think people just want to be angry... or something. We're so conditioned by the SYSTEM to think the worst and to be negative all the time. I don't understand why we can't rise about that.
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Well TS, it seems you have offended quite some people... Some people are totally finishing you off on Twitter.
I wish people would learn to read :?
Really? I haven't seen that, though I am not very active on twitter so don't have many followers or follow many people.
What are they offended about? I don't get it. :?
I think they feel addressed over the "fans" comment TS made. Saying that TS said Mike hates certain people because they are objecting the Elvis connection. The only thing TS said was "Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??" which means he doesn't appreciate the opposing of it, not the fans itself. His words are misunderstood and twisted and that's sad. Some are pretty angry.
What that's rediculous.
Maybe it's hitting a nerve because some treat Michael as some kind of sex god and aren't giving him enough credit at all. If indeed Michael had planned this, don't they realize that (as TS pointed out), that the chances of so many similarities between the Elvis and MJ 'deaths' being just a coincidence are miniscule? I really just think a lot of 'fans' have a problem with the Elvis connection as they see him as a rival to their 'god' Michael.
I, like you, am not a Michael Jackson 'fan' but admire him and think he was treated unfairly, and I share common beliefs with him about the world.
I also hope these people learn to read. Geesh.
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
Well the chance that it all IS a coincidence is approx. 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466% (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067))
So the chance that this is all NOT a coincidence should be 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999910244534%
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
Well the chance that it all IS a coincidence is approx. 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466% (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067))
So the chance that this is all NOT a coincidence should be 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999910244534%
Thanks Souza!
:mrgreen:
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
Well the chance that it all IS a coincidence is approx. 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466% (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067))
So the chance that this is all NOT a coincidence should be 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999910244534%
Prove it :lol: :lol:
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
Well the chance that it all IS a coincidence is approx. 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466% (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067))
So the chance that this is all NOT a coincidence should be 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999910244534%
Prove it :lol: :lol:
I already did: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067)
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for the ones good with numbers:
could we know how much are the chances in a million that this is not a coincidence? :roll:
maybe theo ones who still don´t believe start to ... :mrgreen:
Well the chance that it all IS a coincidence is approx. 0,00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000989755466% (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067))
So the chance that this is all NOT a coincidence should be 99,9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999910244534%
Prove it :lol: :lol:
I already did: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067)
Haaaaahahahahahahaha :lol: :lol:
You are something :lol:
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Never tried anything like this in my life. This is truly a great adventure Michael, something extraordinary that shocked me and changed my life forever. I thank you for all this MJ.
Genius, I love you.
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Thank You so much TS for all the hard work and dedication, it is greatly appreciated :D
Good luck to the ones that take the challenge! :lol:
(my brother is in college studying all that has to do with physics, calculus....MATH I don't know what it's called something like physics mathematician in Spanish it's called Fisico Matematico. I'm gonna see if he wants to take the challenge. He has never believed in the hoax and thinks that everything is just a coincidence)
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6Bpeople wrote:
waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
Souza, i've grown with pop music I'm 34! when I read "The Sign" I can't help it but think to Prince ( the love symbol ) and at that point, my mind feel free to imagine all the concerned artists motivated by the will to change things. Could it be possible that a huge part of the pop artists knows the plan, project or dream of MJ and take part in it ? that could make sens to make believe for years that Mj and Prince were 'ennemies" to avoid obvious connections between them and let them work togAther "in shadow". By the I use to speak french and try my best in english.
I deeply feel something true in all this ( TII, TIAI, ...) but I don't have a lot of supporter around here so I could sometimes imagine to much....
thank u anyway for this site that offer me a lot of door to open.
6b.
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6Bpeople wrote:
waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
Souza, i've grown with pop music I'm 34! when I read "The Sign" I can't help it but think to Prince ( the love symbol ) and at that point, my mind feel free to imagine all the concerned artists motivated by the will to change things. Could it be possible that a huge part of the pop artists knows the plan, project or dream of MJ and take part in it ? that could make sens to make believe for years that Mj and Prince were 'ennemies" to avoid obvious connections between them and let them work togAther "in shadow". By the I use to speak french and try my best in english.
I deeply feel something true in all this ( TII, TIAI, ...) but I don't have a lot of supporter around here so I could sometimes imagine to much....
thank u anyway for this site that offer me a lot of door to open.
6b.
The 2009 Music Awards seemes to point in that direction. It's a revolution!
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ok thanks!
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6Bpeople wrote:
waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
Souza, i've grown with pop music I'm 34! when I read "The Sign" I can't help it but think to Prince ( the love symbol ) and at that point, my mind feel free to imagine all the concerned artists motivated by the will to change things. Could it be possible that a huge part of the pop artists knows the plan, project or dream of MJ and take part in it ? that could make sens to make believe for years that Mj and Prince were 'ennemies" to avoid obvious connections between them and let them work togAther "in shadow". By the I use to speak french and try my best in english.
I deeply feel something true in all this ( TII, TIAI, ...) but I don't have a lot of supporter around here so I could sometimes imagine to much....
thank u anyway for this site that offer me a lot of door to open.
6b.
The 2009 Music Awards seemes to point in that direction. It's a revolution!
I don't think the 2009 Music Awards, but the Grammys 2010...
Please, check this out: http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... -are-made/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/the-grammys-2010-caves-are-opened-sharp-exits-are-made/)
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first of all thanks TS
I'm not here to criticize TS that is why what he / she says is enough to make me doubt again and hope (but do not believe 100%) too many things showing Michael died could not be true.
Having said that, please let me tell you my thoughts.
I think there is no need to do statistical calculations, but we have just to change the view. I mean: the events and numbers could be neither planned nor random, but they could simply be (I say perhaps) the result of a careful search for a digit (or more than one) among billions of numbers surrounding the life of every individual.
So I wonder .... how many chances are there for not finding some 9, some 7, some 1, (etc. ..) on the dates, in the notebooks, in sizes etc. .. of everyone of us? If someone (or TS) shows me that I am wrong I'll just be really happy.
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Thanks again TS for another great post :D
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6Bpeople wrote:
waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
Souza, i've grown with pop music I'm 34! when I read "The Sign" I can't help it but think to Prince ( the love symbol ) and at that point, my mind feel free to imagine all the concerned artists motivated by the will to change things. Could it be possible that a huge part of the pop artists knows the plan, project or dream of MJ and take part in it ? that could make sens to make believe for years that Mj and Prince were 'ennemies" to avoid obvious connections between them and let them work togAther "in shadow". By the I use to speak french and try my best in english.
I deeply feel something true in all this ( TII, TIAI, ...) but I don't have a lot of supporter around here so I could sometimes imagine to much....
thank u anyway for this site that offer me a lot of door to open.
6b.
The 2009 Music Awards seemes to point in that direction. It's a revolution!
I don't think the 2009 Music Awards, but the Grammys 2010...Please, check this out: http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... -are-made/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/the-grammys-2010-caves-are-opened-sharp-exits-are-made/)
i don't know about the 2010 Grammys. Didn't watch it. But when I said 2009 Music Awards I meant all music award shows, including the Grammys. They all had elements of revolution/takeover.
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6Bpeople wrote:
waahou! reading "The Sign" I only can imagine the huge number of people involved into that "plan" because I remember someone named like this and if that person is involved on that level, a lot of others must be.
can someone tell me if I think in the "good " way?
thanks a lot anyway for the faith you bring me.
I have no idea what you mean, maybe you should be a little more specific...
Souza, i've grown with pop music I'm 34! when I read "The Sign" I can't help it but think to Prince ( the love symbol ) and at that point, my mind feel free to imagine all the concerned artists motivated by the will to change things. Could it be possible that a huge part of the pop artists knows the plan, project or dream of MJ and take part in it ? that could make sens to make believe for years that Mj and Prince were 'ennemies" to avoid obvious connections between them and let them work togAther "in shadow". By the I use to speak french and try my best in english.
I deeply feel something true in all this ( TII, TIAI, ...) but I don't have a lot of supporter around here so I could sometimes imagine to much....
thank u anyway for this site that offer me a lot of door to open.
6b.
The 2009 Music Awards seemes to point in that direction. It's a revolution!
I don't think the 2009 Music Awards, but the Grammys 2010...Please, check this out: http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2 ... -are-made/ (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/02/10/the-grammys-2010-caves-are-opened-sharp-exits-are-made/)
i don't know about the 2010 Grammys. Didn't watch it. But when I said 2009 Music Awards I meant all music award shows, including the Grammys. They all had elements of revolution/takeover.
Especially the Gammys had big f@ck you performances. Please read the blog Puff linked you to, we analyzed some of them. Don't forget to watch this video:
Michael Jackson's vibe during the Grammys 2010 (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xch7cr_michael-jackson-s-vibe-during-the-g_music)
We had to upload it to DailyMotion because Youtube blocked it word wide due to the following copyright notice:
Your videos may include content that is owned or licensed by these content owners:
Content owner: Grammys
Type: Audiovisual content
As a result, your video is blocked worldwide.
Strangely, our Pink and Beyonce videos are blocked in Canada and the US only, and the one of Elton John and Lady Gaga is not blocked at all while all contain the same copyrighted Grammy material. Mmmmmmm…
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i don't know about the 2010 Grammys. Didn't watch it. But when I said 2009 Music Awards I meant all music award shows, including the Grammys. They all had elements of revolution/takeover.
The powers that be, the elite, the Illuminati want a "Violent Revolution". They want those who are awake to rise up violently. To brand us as terrorists. To allow them to enact new laws and further take away our rights and freedoms. To create a Police State, justified because it is the "best for us".
I am going to disagree that these artists are "breaking free" of the control. They are advocating and praising a "Violent Revolution" so that we can be even more controlled.
The "take over" by us requires no violence, it requires becoming aware and knowledgeable, fighting back by not allowing them to instill fear, by not resorting to violence, by the use of civil disobedience, by refusing to fight their wars, by changing the way we think, by preventing new laws being enacted that diminish our rights and freedoms...by peaceful means from a perspective of tolerance, understanding, compassion, and love.
[youtube:1l4lxx2w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78[/youtube:1l4lxx2w]
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i don't know about the 2010 Grammys. Didn't watch it. But when I said 2009 Music Awards I meant all music award shows, including the Grammys. They all had elements of revolution/takeover.
The powers that be, the elite, the Illuminati want a "Violent Revolution". They want those who are awake to rise up violently. To brand us as terrorists. To allow them to enact new laws and further take away our rights and freedoms. To create a Police State, justified because it is the "best for us".
I am going to disagree that these artists are "breaking free" of the control. They are advocating and praising a "Violent Revolution" so that we can be even more controlled.
The "take over" by us requires no violence, it requires becoming aware and knowledgeable, fighting back by not allowing them to instill fear, by not resorting to violence, by the use of civil disobedience, by refusing to fight their wars, by changing the way we think, by preventing new laws being enacted that diminish our rights and freedoms...by peaceful means from a perspective of tolerance, understanding, compassion, and love.
[youtube:3l2hyqno]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78[/youtube:3l2hyqno]
i am with you on this one . but i have to warn you it's gonna get lonely
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Ok call me dense but sometimes i have a hard time comprehending what i have read. T.S. singed his last post "The Sign." Did someone actually suggest that T.S. could be Prince??? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? Or was i misunderstanding them???
Lost in Oklahoma lol. I love you guys. I love you T.S. I love you Micheal. ;) Way more than you will ever know. :) I love the Jacksons. 8-) Im just wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy TIREDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. Please come home soon our precious. We love you.
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Hello!!!!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for your update TS !!!!!
I guess the word COINCIDENT doesent exist in this Hoax just like V said ,it's only the ILLUSION of them ;) 8-) .
Some strange things happened in my country lately also,and I'm not sure it is a connection to the Hoax or no, :? ,but now its to much to be just a coincident.
To Serenity:
i don't know about the 2010 Grammys. Didn't watch it. But when I said 2009 Music Awards I meant all music award shows, including the Grammys. They all had elements of revolution/takeover.
The powers that be, the elite, the Illuminati want a "Violent Revolution". They want those who are awake to rise up violently. To brand us as terrorists. To allow them to enact new laws and further take away our rights and freedoms. To create a Police State, justified because it is the "best for us".
I am going to disagree that these artists are "breaking free" of the control. They are advocating and praising a "Violent Revolution" so that we can be even more controlled.
The "take over" by us requires no violence, it requires becoming aware and knowledgeable, fighting back by not allowing them to instill fear, by not resorting to violence, by the use of civil disobedience, by refusing to fight their wars, by changing the way we think, by preventing new laws being enacted that diminish our rights and freedoms...by peaceful means from a perspective of tolerance, understanding, compassion, and love.
[youtube:n153q37x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkwgTBrW78[/youtube:n153q37x]
I'm with you Serenity in this "take over"and I was thinking the same,that the people in power want to make us angry to that point for us to revolt.Im my country the situation is very ,very bad.But I noticed that people are doing nothing,just beeing helpless and lazy to do something.Unfortunately they are not even aware and have no knowledge about what its happening behind the scene.
I say we have to do things with LOVE but to not react doesent mean doing nothing???????
LOVE
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[youtube:ms6s20gt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMou5x40AW8[/youtube:ms6s20gt]
HELLO! GAME TIME!
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
$999 Reward!!!
The Coincidence Test
Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.
And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com, and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.
There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).
Actually, the numerology alone should show that the Elvis connections were carefully planned, and not all coincidence (unless someone can collect the $999 reward). And if MJ did not want the public to know about the Elvis connections: then why did he put the MJ 2040 visible on stage where everyone could see it???
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}
There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php}.
Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??
This continues to baffle my mind. I can't grasp the idea that somehow the "fans" think they are entitled to demand or harass MJ/TS.
When the shoe is on the other foot and MJ/TS wants to express an opinion about how he feels when he sees MJ's "fans" acting like fools, he isn't allowed to have that right?
The "fans" go crazy and have panic attack fits and start twitter campaigns against TS because somehow he has offended them but, yet they have done the same to him.
Where is the equality in that? Why is it only acceptable for the "fans" to behave obnoxiously towards him yet he can't give back what he gets? Do unto others what you want done to you.
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
Crazy does as Crazy thinks...lol I already went over on the Crazy side way before this "hoax" Ask my shrink...
Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement
on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029; formerly http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).
After 7 months of observing people here on this forum I have gained some very useful insite on Human Nature, this reaction to the Elvis/Jesse, Eliza thing is now becoming predictable. What is needed is a miracle, to soften hearts.
But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).
I am adding another parallel for Elvis/MJ.
Well really a connection between 3 people.
Elvis, Michael and Howard Hughes.
Elvis- Helped Elvis Fake his “death”
[attachment=0:ms6s20gt]Elvis and Howard Hughs.jpg[/attachment:ms6s20gt]
Michael-Paid Homage to Howard with some similarities, clues in his before “death” habits.
Something else that caught my eye; The Beverly Hills Hotel seems to be another similarity between Howard and Michael.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes)
Yellow legal pad notes (Post it notes) and Pee Bottles; Howard:
In 1947, Hughes descended into one of the most bizarre episodes of his life. In December that year, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. Hughes stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He subsisted exclusively on chocolate bars and milk, and relieved himself in the empty bottles and containers. He was surrounded by dozens of Kleenex boxes, which he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides on yellow legal pads giving them explicit instructions not to look at him, to respond when spoken to, but otherwise not speak to him. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continuously watching movies, reel after reel, day after day. When he finally emerged in the spring of 1948, his hygiene was terrible, as he had not bathed or cut his hair and nails for weeks.
After the screening room incident, Hughes moved into a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. He also rented out several other rooms for his aides, his wife, and his numerous girlfriends. His erratic behavior continued, however, as he would sit naked in his bedroom with a pink hotel napkin placed over his genitals, watching movies. In one year, he spent an estimated $11 million at the hotel.
Post it notes and Pee Bottles; Michael:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/50 ... sages.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/500267/Michael-Jackson-Im-a-magnet-for-miracles-Read-Jacko-messages.html)
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/michael-j ... t-coroner/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/michael-jackson-pee-urine-dr-conrad-murray-autopsy-report-coroner/)
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Answering the Critics
There were also some concerns that I mentioned the concept of people being tested, and some failing the test; it was suggested that MJ would not do this. Well, what about Murray? Don’t you think many people have failed the same basic (prejudice) test—calling him a murderer, even before the preliminary hearing?? Don’t you think that MJ planned this test, to help expose the problems of prejudice and trial by media? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187841}
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! :lol:
Michael is such a Jokester, and loves to watch people especially girl watching. ;)
Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!
Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).
Yea and we are now Down to a little over 2 years left to Get IT Right.[/size]
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, bel
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140}
I am reminded of Skaggs and his “hoax” Final Curtain, he played a good majority of the charactors in that ”hoax” and people had NO CLUE they were talking to Skaggs.
Just like people have NO CLUE who they are speaking to now…TS
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Not only is TMZ an obvious informant but, blatantly obvious articles written with key words hinting at Stories from The Bible.
Really a Gossip website is going to write Biblical references like that?
If NOT for the Boss MJ it would be going against what the Gossip site stands for sin, greed, corruption in Celebrities lives… 8-)
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795}
This part is what should prove to skeptics that Michael is behind this “hoax” and informant TS by being The Only One who knows things and tells us things before they happen, just like Elvis/Jesse did with Linda.
Also Elvis/Jesse is The Only One who can explain the numerology used in his “death”
So it makes sense that since TS is The Only One who cracked the numerology code to 1998 and explains ALL the numerology used, what conclusion does that leave folks with?
I already have my answer and have had it since “Sweet Home Alabama” story.
And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
This part definitely does NOT surprise me at all. I have posted my thoughts about length of Time and the Need for Patience... It is a process that can not be rushed, in order for it to come out proper.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.
These are used for suspense and mystery... 8-)
Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.
Basically Don't sweat the Small Stuff, and No Need to Cry over spilled Milk.
... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,
The Sign
Thank You for The Sign ;)
This may NOT be the right place to add these other similarities I found but, there really is NO right Topic to put it under.
Charlie Chaplin- Michael paid Homage to Charlie with some similarities, clues in his after “death” issues…
Charlie and Cement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin)
Death (1977)
Chaplin's grave in Switzerland
Chaplin's robust health began to slowly fail in the late 1960s, after the completion of his final film A Countess from Hong Kong, and more rapidly after he received his Academy Award in 1972. By 1977, he had difficulty communicating, and was using a wheelchair. Chaplin died in his sleep in Vevey, Switzerland on Christmas Day 1977.
Chaplin was interred in Corsier-Sur-Vevey Cemetery, Vaud, Switzerland. On 1 March 1978, his corpse was stolen by a small group of Swiss mechanics in an attempt to extort money from his family. The plot failed, the robbers were captured, and the corpse was recovered eleven weeks later near Lake Geneva. His body was reburied under 6 feet (1.8 m) of concrete to prevent further attempts.
Michael and Cement
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete- ... neverland/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/)
This article is very revealing and sentimental.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21633985/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/08/29/michael-jackson-to-buried-in-a-gold-casket-encased-in-cement-115875-21633985/)
Exclusive interview with Marlon Jackson reveals Jacko's kids will leave 'Goodbye Daddy' notes in coffin; Aretha Franklin to sing at graveside; Wake to be held in family compound.
Michael Jackson’s three grief-stricken children have penned goodbye letters to “Dear Daddy” to be placed inside his coffin.
Jackson’s brother Marlon makes the revelation in a world exclusive interview in which he tells the secrets of the King of Pop’s funeral, which will take place on Thursday.
The children – Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, seven – have written “Daddy we love you, we miss you” on notes which will be placed in his coffin, alongside the singer’s trademark single white glove.
Lying in state in an £18,000 gold-plated casket, the drug-ravaged singer has been fitted with a special wig to give him flowing shoulder-length locks, Marlon says.
And a make-up artist has painted his face to ensure he is buried as if he was taking to the stage for his last bow.
After an emotional sunset funeral, Jackson’s coffin will be immediately encased in deep concrete to deter grave robbers and ghouls.
CCTV cameras linked to sensors will activate an alarm to warn security guards of any would-be trespassers at the grave.
A PRIVATE SERVICE
And in marked contrast to Jackson’s life – lived in full public glare since the age of five – the 45-minute service will be held away from the cameras, limited to close relatives and friends.
Marlon, 52, said: “This will be Michael’s final curtain call – the last show. His shell will be gone but his spirit lives on.”
Soul legend Aretha Franklin will sing at the graveside. Jackson’s close friend Diana Ross will be there too, so will Motown record label founder Berry Gordy.
Jackson will be buried in Holly Terrace Grand Mausoleum at Glendale Forest Lawn Memorial Park, five miles from Hollywood in North Los Angeles, alongside stars including Humphrey Bogart and Clark Gable.
The cemetery is closed to the public and is surrounded by high walls. Anyone visiting has to show ID.
In the nine weeks since Jackson died, his body has been kept in the refrigerated morgue at the cemetery, apart from the day it was driven in an armed police convoy to his Staples Center memorial service last month.
Marlon said: “This will be a private ceremony. His hairstylist has made his hair special and a make-up artist has gone in and fixed him up so he’s ready for the big day.”
A small wake will be held afterwards at the Jackson family compound in Encino. “This is the final step, the final curtain will be closed as regards to Michael’s life,” said Marlon.
“It’s a quiet place where the children will be able to visit in private to pay their respects.” Initially the funeral was scheduled for yesterday, which would have been Jackson’s 51st birthday.
But the burial was moved, said Marlon, because their mother Katherine is a Jehovah’s Witness and the religion doesn’t recognise birthdays. Marlon said: “I wanted to lay him to rest on the day the Lord created him. But my mother really didn’t want to bury him on that day.”
We can reveal that Jackson’s children have spent the last week-and-a-half on a break at Katherine’s Las Vegas home, visiting their uncle Jackie and playing with their cousins as the family try to spare them from the funeral preparations.
Marlon said: “They’re doing good. They’re finally getting to the stage of learning to live with it. You never get over something like that.” Marlon revealed how Paris had spoken to him about his twin brother Brandon, who died when he was just a few hours old.
He said: “After the memorial service Paris said to me, ‘Uncle Marlon, I’m sure my daddy is glad to see Uncle Brandon’. That was really special. I said, ‘Wow, that was the sweetest thing you could have said’.
LAST PERSON TO SEE HIM ALIVE
“I have two brothers in Heaven now. Some day we’ll all be able to meet up there.”
Jackson died at his rented home in Los Angeles on June 25 after being given a lethal cocktail of drugs.
On Friday the LA county coroner ruled that his death was homicide.
More than two months after his death, the family’s anger at his physician Dr Conrad Murray, who administered the potent narcotic Propofol and was the last person to see him alive, mounts by the day.
Marlon said: “Michael died and someone is to blame – and it’s the doctor who was with him.
“Conrad Murray was the last person to be with Michael and he knows exactly what went on and he’s not saying.”
Dr Murray’s only public comment so far has been a short statement on video website YouTube.
Marlon said: “I don’t think anyone tried to kill Michael on purpose but something went wrong, something happened and, yes, some of my family do think it’s murder.
“He had too many ‘yes’ men around him. With a bunch of ‘yes’ people around him there was no doubt he was headed for destruction. I’m talking about the doctors who were around him, the people he had working for him. It’s sad to say but these doctors would do anything for the money.”
Even though Jackson was slowly losing his battle against prescription drug addiction, he tried to shield it from his relatives, Marlon revealed.
He said: “Michael was a very private person. He didn’t like people to pry into that.
“At one point there was concern about the prescriptions, about his painkillers and whether he was taking too much, but he seemed to have everything under control."
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
HE WAS A GREAT DAD
“At the beginning all that stuff is great but then at the end… Everybody was judging him – and all the ridicule that went with it.”
Marlon struggled to remain composed as he spoke with emotion about the last time he saw his brother alive: “It was couple of weeks before he died. He was fine, he was great.
"He was laughing and joking with the kids. He was getting ready for the tour (to the UK for his London O2 dates) and he was excited about his show, but mainly we were talking about the kids. Michael did a great job in raising them. They are not celebrity kids.”
Marlon said fun-loving Blanket was squirting people with a water pistol at the family get-together.
“Blanket is 007 – he’s always on a mission. He’s so active,” he said. “Prince is really good at electronics. He is more into technical things. And Paris is just very precious. She has such a sweet heart. They are all pretty observant. They are very respectful."
“Their lasting memory of their dad will be the great times they had with him. Michael won’t be here but he will live forever in our hearts, in our souls. He will always be missed.”
Katherine Jackson has guardianship of the children while Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of the two eldest, has been granted visiting rights.
The identity of the surrogate mum who gave birth to Blanket has never been revealed.
But Marlon said: “I don’t care where those kids come from – Michael was their daddy. He raised them from birth.
“Anyone can have a kid, anyone can be a father. But it takes something special to be a daddy.”
And taking a swipe at Jackson’s skin specialist Dr Arnold Klein, who has repeatedly refused to refute speculation that he fathered Prince Michael and Paris, he said: “People like Klein just want money or fame. Those were Michael’s kids regardless of where they came from and that’s all that counts.”
The children are to be taught at home, following the curriculum of a local private school.
Marlon said: “They will be home-schooled at the Encino compound where we studied as kids. They have the room there for classrooms and a big theatre for lessons.”
Marlon, one of the Jackson Five, left Encino aged 18 when he married wife Carol Ann but kept in constant touch with his younger brother.
He said: “When Michael and I got together we always got on to talking about the old days.
HE LOVED PRACTICAL JOKES
“On that last day he was reminiscing about how we once wet rolls of toilet tissue and threw them out of hotel windows. And how we filled up trash cans with water and threw the water down on to the street. We were pranksters, the pair of us.
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
Michael loathed their dad Joe, accusing him of beating him as a child, which Joe, who lives apart from Katherine, has always denied.
But Marlon insisted: “My father beat us a lot of times. I felt resentful.
“That sort of discipline wasn’t abnormal in our neighbourhood but it doesn’t mean it was right.”
And Marlon believes the beatings may have fatally damaged Jacko’s self-esteem and ability to fend for himself.
BROTHERS PLAN TRIBUTE SONG
“It does a couple of things to you – it forms you into this person who is not able to confront people when they’re not satisfied with things."
“It also makes people able to take advantage of you. I found a lot of my siblings were that way.”
The Jackson brothers – Marlon, Tito, Jermaine and Jackie – have pre-recorded a reality TV show which is set to be broadcast in the US several days after the funeral.
Marlon said: “We started shooting this in February so this has been planned for a long time."
“I think it’s also likely that at some point we will all get together to do a tribute song for Michael.”
Still struggling to come to terms with his grief, Marlon wakes early every day.
He said: “Every morning I get up around 6.30am and sit out on my porch and since Michael died there has been a little humming bird sitting there."
“He’s been there five times now and he just lands for around five seconds.
“The last time he was there I said, ‘OK Michael, how are you doing? I hope you’re doing alright’ and I think he is."
“In my heart I know he’s at peace.”
Peace
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:? OOOPS
I may have spoke to soon about Howard helping Elvis.
I just now noticed his death year 1976...although it doesn't necessarily mean he didn't help Elvis prior to his (Howard) death in 1976 and I can't seem to find another Howard Hughs (the way it is spelled)
So I maybe wrong, but I have been wrong before.
Peace
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Thank you for the post TS/ The Sign :)
Scared Yet? Nope. :lol: I love Halloween. Looking forward to what's next.
I have no problem with the Elvis connections. I love Elvis; but he was more my Mothers era than mine. I always knew there were connections that went beyond LMP; I just didn't realize how many! :shock: Wow. I respect both Elvis and Michael for the doors they each opened in their time. To choose one over the other is just nonsense and serves no purpose. And as far as "fans" go Lord knows I've had my share of being bloodied by some of them in the name of love. Enjoy the Icon & the music, but L.O.V.E. THE MAN. Fans are a dime a dozen, true friends are one in a million. For instance I love MJ's home movies! :lol: How wonderful it is to see Michael just "being" Michael! The dude is funny! I love it. Neverland was a beautiful home & place of rest, fun & peace from the outside world. I much rather be Michael's trusted friend than a Gold Pants Groupie anytime.
That's just plain disrespectful in my humble opinion. :|
To die has certainly been an awfully big adventure...
L.O.V.E.
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i think i remember reading that howard hughes hoaxed his death at some point and that is the reason that elvis was fasinated with him. by the way add 777and999 will get you 48 (as in =4yrs and 1776 as in july 4th 1776) ;) another thing the reference to mj having a long term girlfriend . i also read a book by a woman who claimed to hold that distiction in elvis life. there may have been a possible daughter born from it. (not proven of course).
also :your the chosen one - i'm gonna need some kind of sign ;)
back to my buckeled jacket
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I was wrong. Most of the people I know see it, but they just ignore it because they are afraid and they think they have no power over it.
But I guess we have to think positive
There are so many people who are now questioning things even if they don't know the extent of this shocking truth. Those who do know are becoming quite large in number now and are coming from different angles, not Michael alone, the truth is out there all over the internet and even though threats are made to censor the internet etc... they haven't actually done it and I'd say if they were going to do it they would have by now. They only draw attention and suspiscion to themselves by making these threats, which makes people question and look. The truth is not being blocked from people, just hidden. As things develop, so our numbers will grow and we will become the flock that others will look to for guidance. I agree it can feel a little scary at times but trust that Michael would never start something that he could not finish. Trust in God/ Love, which ever your choice of word, this will not fail because it is too powerful, The powers that be are losing their grip as we grow stronger. Everything will be OK once more and more people see the light and they will. ;)
I agree with what you have said Believe777. There are more people out there who are working "behind the scenes", setting the stage for the "Revelation of the Truth", but we still have to do our part, by preparing others for what is to come in the near future. This hoax has a much bigger purpose then most people realize. For now, we need to trust in what TS has told us because everything he has said is the truth! For those who still doubt TS, I ask you this. What would be the purpose of TS posting anything at all on this hoax site, if it wasn't what Michael wanted? It just doesn't make any sense! Piece by piece, TS has been guiding us through this hoax , therefore he has to be an "Insider" which means that Michael is instructing him on what to tell us, yet some still question the info he gives us! It just boggles my mind.
We are Michael's "soldiers" in his "Army of Love" and he is counting on us to help spread awareness to others. As for "Elvis and MJ", like someone else has already stated, who cares if some people call us "crazy", that's just a word and besides that, we know that we are not crazy and that's all that should matter! Sometimes we have to step out of our "comfort zone" and we need to put the "fear" behind us in order for us to help Michael on this mission.We all have love and respect for Michael and we need to have faith that what TS is telling us, is what Michael is telling him, to tell us.We need to do all that we can to help and we have no reason to not believe in TS.
In the end, the truth will prevail and all of our unanswered questions will be answered.
Thank you so much TS for helping us on our journey. I hope that you can feel the love here for you and please know you are greatly appreciated! I love you dear friend. It's because of you and the rest of our family here on this site, that i finally don't have to feel like a freak, for having such a strong belief in love and the power of Love. I now know what my "purpose" is for being here on this earth and I know that the day will come, when the world will be united by Love, Peace and Harmony . We are all here creating HIStory right along side the most loving man on the planet...Michael. I am honored to be a part of this "Adventure" with all of you here and I am proud to say that I am a member of the "Army Of Love"!
Keep the Faith everyone and Keep shining your "Light", so that others can feed off of your positive energy and then they can pass it on, and so on and so on! It really is "our" time to shine. Believe in yourself and Believe in Michael!
Thank you once again TS...God Bless You <3 :)
And to my friend and brother, Michael...You know I love you most! "Heart" To "Heart" Always and Forever. <3 :)
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Being called a crazy for believing both MJ and Elvis hoaxed their "deaths" and are still alive doesn't bother me in the least TS. And I must add here that if it had not been for your information and links to Elvis's hoax, He would have forever remained with a question mark for me. Everyone has an opinion and as they say....opinions are like bums...everyone's got one and they all stink at times. The good thing is that these same people will come looking for help and answers down the track a bit and it is then we will be able to help out. That is important to me, not doing the I was right and I told you so dance.
I'm glad you addressed the test aspect of TIAI and made that simple to understand [ I thank you :oops: ]. Seems some of us needlessly stressed out about our ability to pass such scrutiny. As you plainly said in your post...passing the test does not mean gullibly believing everything TS says...but we need to verify the evidence for ourselves. I have yet to see anyone present a successful debunk. It was interesting to reread those threads mentioned in your post and to see our comments and arguments. I personally love seeing the many character traits displayed by our various members [well, not so much the argumentive ones] but who would have thought that heart attitudes and ideosyncrasies could be conveyed so wonderfully through a computor screen. I feel the collective soul of this site and am blessed and privledged to be a small part of it.
I am not scared yet, TS. But I am ready for action. Just waiting for MJ's command to begin.
Habakuk2:2
Then the Lord answered me and said."Write the vision, and make it plain on tablets, that he may run who reads it. 3) For the vision is yet for an appointed time: But at the end it will speak, and it will not lie. Tho it tarries, wait for it; Because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
So in summation, I thankyou The Sign, for making Mike's vision plain...writing it down for us ... launching us on the race of and for our lives...and the assurance that although there may be delays.....It will surely come to pass. MJ will BAM.
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I was wrong. Most of the people I know see it, but they just ignore it because they are afraid and they think they have no power over it.
But I guess we have to think positive
There are so many people who are now questioning things even if they don't know the extent of this shocking truth. Those who do know are becoming quite large in number now and are coming from different angles, not Michael alone, the truth is out there all over the internet and even though threats are made to censor the internet etc... they haven't actually done it and I'd say if they were going to do it they would have by now. They only draw attention and suspiscion to themselves by making these threats, which makes people question and look. The truth is not being blocked from people, just hidden. As things develop, so our numbers will grow and we will become the flock that others will look to for guidance. I agree it can feel a little scary at times but trust that Michael would never start something that he could not finish. Trust in God/ Love, which ever your choice of word, this will not fail because it is too powerful, The powers that be are losing their grip as we grow stronger. Everything will be OK once more and more people see the light and they will. ;)
I agree with what you have said Believe777. There are more people out there who are working "behind the scenes", setting the stage for the "Revelation of the Truth", but we still have to do our part, by preparing others for what is to come in the near future. This hoax has a much bigger purpose then most people realize. For now, we need to trust in what TS has told us because everything he has said is the truth! For those who still doubt TS, I ask you this. What would be the purpose of TS posting anything at all on this hoax site, if it wasn't what Michael wanted? It just doesn't make any sense! Piece by piece, TS has been guiding us through this hoax , therefore he has to be an "Insider" which means that Michael is instructing him on what to tell us, yet some still question the info he gives us! It just boggles my mind.
We are Michael's "soldiers" in his "Army of Love" and he is counting on us to help spread awareness to others. As for "Elvis and MJ", like someone else has already stated, who cares if some people call us "crazy", that's just a word and besides that, we know that we are not crazy and that's all that should matter! Sometimes we have to step out of our "comfort zone" and we need to put the "fear" behind us in order for us to help Michael on this mission.We all have love and respect for Michael and we need to have faith that what TS is telling us, is what Michael is telling him, to tell us.We need to do all that we can to help and we have no reason to not believe in TS.
In the end, the truth will prevail and all of our unanswered questions will be answered.
Thank you so much TS for helping us on our journey. I hope that you can feel the love here for you and please know you are greatly appreciated! I love you dear friend. It's because of you and the rest of our family here on this site, that i finally don't have to feel like a freak, for having such a strong belief in love and the power of Love. I now know what my "purpose" is for being here on this earth and I know that the day will come, when the world will be united by Love, Peace and Harmony . We are all here creating HIStory right along side the most loving man on the planet...Michael. I am honored to be a part of this "Adventure" with all of you here and I am proud to say that I am a member of the "Army Of Love"!
Keep the Faith everyone and Keep shining your "Light", so that others can feed off of your positive energy and then they can pass it on, and so on and so on! It really is "our" time to shine. Believe in yourself and Believe in Michael!
Thank you once again TS...God Bless You <3 :)
And to my friend and brother, Michael...You know I love you most! "Heart" To "Heart" Always and Forever. <3 :)
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
Indeed, not a fake informer, much deeper. Why did you ignore most powerful influence, the one who saved your life? This you will answer.
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
Indeed, not a fake informer, much deeper. Why did you ignore most powerful influence, the one who saved your life? This you will answer.
I did not understand anything .. :roll: :?:
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
Indeed, not a fake informer, much deeper. Why did you ignore most powerful influence, the one who saved your life? This you will answer.
I did not understand anything .. :roll: :?:
i don't think we were meant to :o ;)
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
Indeed, not a fake informer, much deeper. Why did you ignore most powerful influence, the one who saved your life? This you will answer.
I did not understand anything .. :roll: :?:
neither do I
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I was thinking....
Some people say TS has to be a woman....
I think TS is a man but look at his posts from another prospective:
His posts display a great attention to details, to preciseness, they are very elaborate, classified and numbered like books on shelves and brough as closer to perfection as possible. Now we can see the series of the 6 updates was planned in advance in detail I think, numbered carefully so future refferences to different parts in the updates could be made easily
So if I look at his perfectionism and also at his patience and perseverence and also to the "testing of the believers" part I would definetly say TS is a Virgo
And this considerably restrains the circle of "suspects" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Love you Michael more :D
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Thank you so... I will stand until the end. The truth will prevail.
It is all for L.O.V.E:)
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Strongest Evidence that TS Is a Fake Informer
Indeed, not a fake informer, much deeper. Why did you ignore most powerful influence, the one who saved your life? This you will answer.
Just say what you mean or take this matter to PM.
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I was thinking....
Some people say TS has to be a woman....
I think TS is a man but look at his posts from another prospective:
His posts display a great attention to details, to preciseness, they are very elaborate, classified and numbered like books on shelves and brough as closer to perfection as possible. Now we can see the series of the 6 updates was planned in advance in detail I think, numbered carefully so future refferences to different parts in the updates could be made easily
So if I look at his perfectionism and also at his patience and perseverence and also to the "testing of the believers" part I would definetly say TS is a Virgo
And this considerably restrains the circle of "suspects" :lol: :lol: :lol:
Love you Michael more :D
It could be me then, as I am a virgo.
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It could be me then, as I am a virgo.
really :D ? so is that you :lol: ?
TS reminds me of Michael himself, who we all know is a Virgo and Virgos are perfectionists, very pacient and very analytical by their nature
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It could be me then, as I am a virgo.
really :D ? so is that you :lol: ?
TS reminds me of Michael himself, who we all know is a Virgo and Virgos are perfectionists, very pacient and very analytical by their nature
Well my mother is a virgo and I can tell you this doesn't really fit her :lol:
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It could be me then, as I am a virgo.
really :D ? so is that you :lol: ?
TS reminds me of Michael himself, who we all know is a Virgo and Virgos are perfectionists, very pacient and very analytical by their nature
Well my mother is a virgo and I can tell you this doesn't really fit her :lol:
sometimes the traits are different for male and female.
also can be affected by what went on in their childhood.
also affected by your moon and positions of other planets at birth.
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Souza maybe it doesn't fit your mother's profile, but for sure it fits Michael's :D
We don't have to look among all the Virgos on this planet, but right under our noses :D
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Souza maybe it doesn't fit your mother's profile, but for sure it fits Michael's :D
We don't have to look among all the Virgos on this planet, but right under our noses :D
I think he fits another sign better, I'll try to explain later when I have time.
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Souza maybe it doesn't fit your mother's profile, but for sure it fits Michael's :D
We don't have to look among all the Virgos on this planet, but right under our noses :D
I think he fits another sign better, I'll try to explain later when I have time.
Ah yes! If his birthday isn't really in August... then he'd definitely be a different sign. I think Capricorn if I'm not mistaken? But I'll let Souza explain, she's better at it :)
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she is suggesting aquarius
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http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro/aquarius.htm (http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro/aquarius.htm)
aquarius profile
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http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro/virgo.htm (http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro/virgo.htm)
virgo profile
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Let's not forget Chinese horoscope to make the picture a little bit rounder.
Chinese horoscope does not concentrate on predicting future but on explaining social behaviour and pros and cons of getting along with someone.
Jan 28, 1960 would translate into a Metal Rat.
METAL RAT Horoscope
Jan 28, 1960 to Feb 14, 1961
Rat people are so charming and attractive they are always surrounded by friends and admirers. They can also be lone tumbleweeds, seldom making lasting friendships. Known as Perfectionists, they never want to lose face. It takes an understanding friend to get them to "put on the dancing plumes." Rat people have vivid imagination and are known for creating extraordinarily magic moments in time. Not surprisingly, the sensitive Rats have the gift of insight and clairvoyance, so you better watch out what you think around them! Rats enjoy being leaders and pacesetters and usually enjoy extraordinary success in life.
Hearty Bean Soup is one of the keys to good health for a Rat!!
If ten people are deserted on a desert island, one of them will lead everyone to safety and that person will undoubtedly be the decisive clear-thinking Metal Rat. This is a natural born leader who inspires everyone through unparalleled leadership! Quite the visionary, the idealistic Rat will see cathedrals in the middle of the desert and make believers out of non-believers. He or she has all the traits necessary to win and keep friends, charm, sincerity, trustworthiness, as well as a sense of humor and grand adventure. The enormously capable Metal Rats are very successful in their career, with financial rewards keeping them forever in clover. When it comes to love, Metal Rats' hearts tend to be a bit brittle because they have been wounded by past love affairs. However, when the Rats finally find the right person, they will do all they can to pursue love, using every means at their disposal. Love becomes a high priority.
Famous RAT people: Richard Nixon, Shakespeare, Prince Charles, Julia Child, Louis Armstrong, Prince Andrew, Andrew Lloyd-Webber, Kathleen Battle, Albert Finney
http://www.tuvy.com/entertainment/horoscope/metal_rat.htm
THE RAT
Rats are both charming and aggressive. They appear calm and well balanced on the surface,but underneath, they are restless and a little nervous. Rats are compatible,hard working, and they know how to hang on to a penny. They are never without admirers. They are very appealing.They have a bright and happy personality,and this keeps them busy socially.They love parties and other large gatherings. They like belonging to exclusive clubs and will often have a close circle of fellow conspirators.They like involvement and are very outgoing. Rats cherish friends and loved ones. For this reason,they often get entangled with others'problems and lives.
Rats love money and are quite shrewd where a buck is concerned. It is a hard task to separate Rats from their money. However, Rats can be very generous when their loved ones are concerned. Relatives are always welcome. Rats are definitely clannish and clever. With all these people around, Rats always find tasks for them to earn their keep. People will be put to work quickly in the Rat's house. Rats know how to keep a secret, if it's their own,but they are adept at finding out what others try to keep to themselves, and Rats wouldn't be above using the information if it were to their benefit.
One can always tell when Rats are upset. They become edgy,very nervous, and quite nagging. Rats are always taken by a bargain. They often buy things they don't need and tend to save everything. Souvenirs and sentimental odds and ends are found tucked away everywhere.
Since they make it a point to know everything about everybody,Rats are excellent writers. They have a good memory and are extremely inquisitive. Rats can be successful in almost everything they try to do. They easily adapt themselves to the situation at hand. They are at their best during any crisis and are great problem solvers. Rats are very level headed and are also very alert. Their intuition is strong and are always on the lookout for opportunities to better themselves. Rats seldom get into jams they can't escape since they cover themselves well in advance.They have a built in alarm system.
One of the Rat's biggest fault is that they try to do too much at once. They often scatter their energies and get nothing accomplished. Once they learn to finish what they have started,there is no stopping them from being successful. The Rat must also watch those fast deals and those great bargains. In these areas their judgment may fail them. They must not become too greedy,or they will suffer a financial blow or two.
Rats have great respect for their parents and dote on their own children. They love their home. Family life is very important to them. Rats born during the evening are tempted to a more hectic life than those born during the day.
Rats learn early, quickly, and are avid readers. They know how to express themselves well-both written and orally. Given the slightest chance, Rats can make a success of their lives.
http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/rat.htm
There's the companion and other aspects in addition to the elements that define more details in a Chinese horoscope personality description.
I think it is quite interesting...
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just to add a little note: relationships that didn't last:tateem nov. 5th saggitarius
brooke shields may31st gemini
lisa : debbie;
relationships that did last:liz :feb.27 pisces ; liza with a Z( ;) )march 12 pisces diana ross march 26th pisces
of course this one we will never know how it would be princess diana july 1 cancer but we know what he said about her.
:oops: forgot to get lisa and debbie :o
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just to add a little note: relationships that didn't last:tateem nov. 5th saggitarius
brooke shields may31st gemini
lisa : debbie;
relationships that did last:liz :feb.27 pisces ; liza with a Z( ;) )march 12 pisces diana ross march 26th pisces
of course this one we will never know how it would be princess diana july 1 cancer but we know what he said about her.
:oops: forgot to get lisa and debbie :o
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just to add a little note: relationships that didn't last:tateem nov. 5th saggitarius
brooke shields may31st gemini
lisa : feb. 1 aquarius debbie;dec. 6th sagg.
relationships that did last:liz :feb.27 pisces ; liza with a Z( ;) )march 12 pisces diana ross march 26th pisces
of course this one we will never know how it would be princess diana july 1 cancer but we know what he said about her.
:oops: forgot to get lisa and debbie :o
seems like my compurter and i are having a breakdown today. time to get buckled up i guess :oops:
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And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc
wow i believe TS know something that we are search for
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another male virgo ;)
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And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc
We must discard the theory of murder?, .... this gets complicated :geek:
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Please don't tell me now that the date of Michael's birth is a hoax too :lol: :lol: :lol:
The profile I've mentioned describes in my opinion only a few aspects of the complicated person who is MJ.
I would give the credit to Elizabeth Taylor, who seems to understand Michael very well.
I can't forget when she describes him as very shrude (i hope this is word she really used - sorry my english is far from perfection ).
Also very intuitive and most of all capable to convey all sort of emotions to people.
Is this important for the hoax? I don't know, but when first I've heard Michael is still alive I sayed "yes, it matches his profile". But also is very possible that his profile as we perceive it might be only an illusion. We see what Mr. Jackson wants us to see.
But I'm not complaining about it :D
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Please don't tell me now that the date of Michael's birth is a hoax too :lol: :lol: :lol:
The profile I've mentioned describes in my opinion only a few aspects of the complicated person who is MJ.
I would give the credit to Elizabeth Taylor, who seems to understand Michael very well.
I can't forget when she describes him as very shrude (i hope this is word she really used - sorry my english is far from perfection ).
Also very intuitive and most of all capable to convey all sort of emotions to people.
Is this important for the hoax? I don't know, but when first I've heard Michael is still alive I sayed "yes, it matches his profile". But also is very possible that his profile as we perceive it might be only an illusion. We see what Mr. Jackson wants us to see.
But I'm not complaining about it :D
but it's makin' me dizzy ;)
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[youtube:ieb5etco]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMou5x40AW8[/youtube:ieb5etco]
HELLO! GAME TIME!
Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET
$999 Reward!!!
The Coincidence Test
Saying that the MJ “death” timing and numerology all happened by coincidence would be like playing Russian roulette with 999,999 bullets, and one blank {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_roulette}. Although there is one big difference: Russian roulette only puts one person’s life in danger; but with NWO and end of the world, millions of lives are in danger!
You Don’t Need to Be a Rocket Scientist
If nobody can succeed in the $999 reward, or the coincidence test—not mathematicians or anyone else—then we will all know the MJ “death” related numerology happened by plan. You won’t need to be a rocket scientist or a statistician, to understand that the numerology was not by chance.
And if it was planned, it would not be rational to claim that the plan was a murder plot. This is because some of the numerology was promoted by MJ himself before the “death” (777, 1998, 2040, etc); and also because the family was involved in the memorial and burial numerology timing after the “death”.
Furthermore, as stated previously, the numerology goes beyond merely proving that the “death” was planned by MJ and family (and therefore a hoax); it also gives some of the major reasons for the hoax: 2012 (end of the world), 666 & 999 (NWO), 2040 (MJ planned intentional parallels with Elvis), etc.
Did MJ Plan the Elvis Parallels?
And speaking of MJ planning intentional parallels with the Elvis “death”: although some responded very positively to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com, and the Elvis/Eliza developments, unfortunately many others did not.
There are millions and millions of MJ fans; that is, if you are referring to people who are fans of MJ’s music. But far less people are fans of MJ the person! And if you are a fan of MJ himself, not just his music: the only question should be whether the Elvis connections were planned by MJ, or coincidence. If planned, then you should not go against what he himself planned (unless you’re just an MJ music fan).
Actually, the numerology alone should show that the Elvis connections were carefully planned, and not all coincidence (unless someone can collect the $999 reward). And if MJ did not want the public to know about the Elvis connections: then why did he put the MJ 2040 visible on stage where everyone could see it???
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}
There are numerous other amazing parallels with Elvis, only possible if they were planned by MJ (they can’t all be coincidence). And several of these parallels were made very public by MJ—such as the title, “This Is It” paralleling with “This Is Elvis”, and much more {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php}.
Also, even though MJ and LMP are not married anymore: yet it is disrespectful to MJ (as well as LMP) to minimize the Elvis connection—even if there were NO other connections! Just a few days after the TIAI Update #6 on Elvis and MJ was posted, Jermaine spoke very highly of LMP and MJ {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r91T8jCl_EE}. Do you really think that MJ appreciates his “fans” opposing the Elvis connection??
This continues to baffle my mind. I can't grasp the idea that somehow the "fans" think they are entitled to demand or harass MJ/TS.
When the shoe is on the other foot and MJ/TS wants to express an opinion about how he feels when he sees MJ's "fans" acting like fools, he isn't allowed to have that right?
The "fans" go crazy and have panic attack fits and start twitter campaigns against TS because somehow he has offended them but, yet they have done the same to him.
Where is the equality in that? Why is it only acceptable for the "fans" to behave obnoxiously towards him yet he can't give back what he gets? Do unto others what you want done to you.
For those who opposed bringing Elvis into it, because people would think we are even crazier: so what? If the truth hits the public on either “death” (Elvis or MJ), then they will realize that we were not so crazy after all! Then they will be much more likely to come back, and hear what else we have to say.
Crazy does as Crazy thinks...lol I already went over on the Crazy side way before this "hoax" Ask my shrink...
Speaking of Elvis and going to the media: this was another area of major disagreement
on the forum; some in support of it, and many not in support. So on July 20, I redirected to the ALLJACK5ONS tweet about “media take notice” {http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson/status/10355780029; formerly http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}. Yet to some this was not good enough, because it was tweeted about three months before my Elvis and MJ update (#6).
After 7 months of observing people here on this forum I have gained some very useful insite on Human Nature, this reaction to the Elvis/Jesse, Eliza thing is now becoming predictable. What is needed is a miracle, to soften hearts.
But the “media take notice” was referring to the hoax; we know this because the media already has taken notice of the homicide and murder theories. And if the Jacksons want the media to take notice of the hoax, then that includes the Elvis parallels—since MJ planned those parallels, and even made some of them very public (2040, This Is It, etc).
I am adding another parallel for Elvis/MJ.
Well really a connection between 3 people.
Elvis, Michael and Howard Hughes.
Elvis- Helped Elvis Fake his “death”
[attachment=0:ieb5etco]Elvis and Howard Hughs.jpg[/attachment:ieb5etco]
Michael-Paid Homage to Howard with some similarities, clues in his before “death” habits.
Something else that caught my eye; The Beverly Hills Hotel seems to be another similarity between Howard and Michael.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes)
Yellow legal pad notes (Post it notes) and Pee Bottles; Howard:
In 1947, Hughes descended into one of the most bizarre episodes of his life. In December that year, Hughes told his aides that he wanted to screen some movies at a film studio near his home. Hughes stayed in the studio's darkened screening room for more than four months, never leaving. He subsisted exclusively on chocolate bars and milk, and relieved himself in the empty bottles and containers. He was surrounded by dozens of Kleenex boxes, which he continuously stacked and re-arranged. He wrote detailed memos to his aides on yellow legal pads giving them explicit instructions not to look at him, to respond when spoken to, but otherwise not speak to him. Throughout this period, Hughes sat fixated in his chair, often naked, continuously watching movies, reel after reel, day after day. When he finally emerged in the spring of 1948, his hygiene was terrible, as he had not bathed or cut his hair and nails for weeks.
After the screening room incident, Hughes moved into a bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel. He also rented out several other rooms for his aides, his wife, and his numerous girlfriends. His erratic behavior continued, however, as he would sit naked in his bedroom with a pink hotel napkin placed over his genitals, watching movies. In one year, he spent an estimated $11 million at the hotel.
Post it notes and Pee Bottles; Michael:
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/50 ... sages.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/500267/Michael-Jackson-Im-a-magnet-for-miracles-Read-Jacko-messages.html)
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/michael-j ... t-coroner/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/09/michael-jackson-pee-urine-dr-conrad-murray-autopsy-report-coroner/)
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Answering the Critics
There were also some concerns that I mentioned the concept of people being tested, and some failing the test; it was suggested that MJ would not do this. Well, what about Murray? Don’t you think many people have failed the same basic (prejudice) test—calling him a murderer, even before the preliminary hearing?? Don’t you think that MJ planned this test, to help expose the problems of prejudice and trial by media? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187832; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198#p187841}
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! :lol:
Michael is such a Jokester, and loves to watch people especially girl watching. ;)
Another question was this: “why didn’t he [MJ] wear anything with the number 9 in TII?” Answer: he wore 777 on his red shirt, and had 999 in the vowels of the title (as well as 1998 again, which is 999 x 2, etc {see Update #5a, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}. If he had 999 on the shirt, and 777 in the title of TII—you probably would’ve complained that he didn’t wear 777!
Furthermore, TII movie poster was officially released on 9-9-09; and TII itself released 7 weeks after 9-9-09, etc. And the “death” and “burial” was 77 & 7 days from 9-9-09 (resurrection). How much more do you want???
Yes, if you don’t use inclusive it doesn’t work. But it CAN’T POSSIBLY work with BOTH inclusive AND standard reckoning; so you MUST pick one of the two, if you are planning it out. And inclusive is the BETTER of the two options: because it is Biblical, and most widely known in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus! Also MJ used inclusive when he said “four more years” in the spring of 2009; normally that would end in 2013—but inclusive is 2009 (year one), 2010 (year two), 2011 (year three), and 2012 (year four).
Yea and we are now Down to a little over 2 years left to Get IT Right.[/size]
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true. These two subjects are addressed in the next two sections, bel
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140}
I am reminded of Skaggs and his “hoax” Final Curtain, he played a good majority of the charactors in that ”hoax” and people had NO CLUE they were talking to Skaggs.
Just like people have NO CLUE who they are speaking to now…TS
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Not only is TMZ an obvious informant but, blatantly obvious articles written with key words hinting at Stories from The Bible.
Really a Gossip website is going to write Biblical references like that?
If NOT for the Boss MJ it would be going against what the Gossip site stands for sin, greed, corruption in Celebrities lives… 8-)
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795}
This part is what should prove to skeptics that Michael is behind this “hoax” and informant TS by being The Only One who knows things and tells us things before they happen, just like Elvis/Jesse did with Linda.
Also Elvis/Jesse is The Only One who can explain the numerology used in his “death”
So it makes sense that since TS is The Only One who cracked the numerology code to 1998 and explains ALL the numerology used, what conclusion does that leave folks with?
I already have my answer and have had it since “Sweet Home Alabama” story.
And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
This part definitely does NOT surprise me at all. I have posted my thoughts about length of Time and the Need for Patience... It is a process that can not be rushed, in order for it to come out proper.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.
These are used for suspense and mystery... 8-)
Yes, there have been delays; and as time passes, more members may leave this forum (and many have left already). But don’t worry too much; they will all come rushing back right after bamsday—along with thousands and thousands of new members.
Basically Don't sweat the Small Stuff, and No Need to Cry over spilled Milk.
... and now it’s Time for me to Sign,
The Sign
Thank You for The Sign ;)
This may NOT be the right place to add these other similarities I found but, there really is NO right Topic to put it under.
Charlie Chaplin- Michael paid Homage to Charlie with some similarities, clues in his after “death” issues…
Charlie and Cement:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Chaplin)
Death (1977)
Chaplin's grave in Switzerland
Chaplin's robust health began to slowly fail in the late 1960s, after the completion of his final film A Countess from Hong Kong, and more rapidly after he received his Academy Award in 1972. By 1977, he had difficulty communicating, and was using a wheelchair. Chaplin died in his sleep in Vevey, Switzerland on Christmas Day 1977.
Chaplin was interred in Corsier-Sur-Vevey Cemetery, Vaud, Switzerland. On 1 March 1978, his corpse was stolen by a small group of Swiss mechanics in an attempt to extort money from his family. The plot failed, the robbers were captured, and the corpse was recovered eleven weeks later near Lake Geneva. His body was reburied under 6 feet (1.8 m) of concrete to prevent further attempts.
Michael and Cement
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete- ... neverland/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/30/concrete-evidence-found-at-neverland/)
This article is very revealing and sentimental.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21633985/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/08/29/michael-jackson-to-buried-in-a-gold-casket-encased-in-cement-115875-21633985/)
Exclusive interview with Marlon Jackson reveals Jacko's kids will leave 'Goodbye Daddy' notes in coffin; Aretha Franklin to sing at graveside; Wake to be held in family compound.
Michael Jackson’s three grief-stricken children have penned goodbye letters to “Dear Daddy” to be placed inside his coffin.
Jackson’s brother Marlon makes the revelation in a world exclusive interview in which he tells the secrets of the King of Pop’s funeral, which will take place on Thursday.
The children – Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, seven – have written “Daddy we love you, we miss you” on notes which will be placed in his coffin, alongside the singer’s trademark single white glove.
Lying in state in an £18,000 gold-plated casket, the drug-ravaged singer has been fitted with a special wig to give him flowing shoulder-length locks, Marlon says.
And a make-up artist has painted his face to ensure he is buried as if he was taking to the stage for his last bow.
After an emotional sunset funeral, Jackson’s coffin will be immediately encased in deep concrete to deter grave robbers and ghouls.
CCTV cameras linked to sensors will activate an alarm to warn security guards of any would-be trespassers at the grave.
A PRIVATE SERVICE
And in marked contrast to Jackson’s life – lived in full public glare since the age of five – the 45-minute service will be held away from the cameras, limited to close relatives and friends.
Marlon, 52, said: “This will be Michael’s final curtain call – the last show. His shell will be gone but his spirit lives on.”
Soul legend Aretha Franklin will sing at the graveside. Jackson’s close friend Diana Ross will be there too, so will Motown record label founder Berry Gordy.
Jackson will be buried in Holly Terrace Grand Mausoleum at Glendale Forest Lawn Memorial Park, five miles from Hollywood in North Los Angeles, alongside stars including Humphrey Bogart and Clark Gable.
The cemetery is closed to the public and is surrounded by high walls. Anyone visiting has to show ID.
In the nine weeks since Jackson died, his body has been kept in the refrigerated morgue at the cemetery, apart from the day it was driven in an armed police convoy to his Staples Center memorial service last month.
Marlon said: “This will be a private ceremony. His hairstylist has made his hair special and a make-up artist has gone in and fixed him up so he’s ready for the big day.”
A small wake will be held afterwards at the Jackson family compound in Encino. “This is the final step, the final curtain will be closed as regards to Michael’s life,” said Marlon.
“It’s a quiet place where the children will be able to visit in private to pay their respects.” Initially the funeral was scheduled for yesterday, which would have been Jackson’s 51st birthday.
But the burial was moved, said Marlon, because their mother Katherine is a Jehovah’s Witness and the religion doesn’t recognise birthdays. Marlon said: “I wanted to lay him to rest on the day the Lord created him. But my mother really didn’t want to bury him on that day.”
We can reveal that Jackson’s children have spent the last week-and-a-half on a break at Katherine’s Las Vegas home, visiting their uncle Jackie and playing with their cousins as the family try to spare them from the funeral preparations.
Marlon said: “They’re doing good. They’re finally getting to the stage of learning to live with it. You never get over something like that.” Marlon revealed how Paris had spoken to him about his twin brother Brandon, who died when he was just a few hours old.
He said: “After the memorial service Paris said to me, ‘Uncle Marlon, I’m sure my daddy is glad to see Uncle Brandon’. That was really special. I said, ‘Wow, that was the sweetest thing you could have said’.
LAST PERSON TO SEE HIM ALIVE
“I have two brothers in Heaven now. Some day we’ll all be able to meet up there.”
Jackson died at his rented home in Los Angeles on June 25 after being given a lethal cocktail of drugs.
On Friday the LA county coroner ruled that his death was homicide.
More than two months after his death, the family’s anger at his physician Dr Conrad Murray, who administered the potent narcotic Propofol and was the last person to see him alive, mounts by the day.
Marlon said: “Michael died and someone is to blame – and it’s the doctor who was with him.
“Conrad Murray was the last person to be with Michael and he knows exactly what went on and he’s not saying.”
Dr Murray’s only public comment so far has been a short statement on video website YouTube.
Marlon said: “I don’t think anyone tried to kill Michael on purpose but something went wrong, something happened and, yes, some of my family do think it’s murder.
“He had too many ‘yes’ men around him. With a bunch of ‘yes’ people around him there was no doubt he was headed for destruction. I’m talking about the doctors who were around him, the people he had working for him. It’s sad to say but these doctors would do anything for the money.”
Even though Jackson was slowly losing his battle against prescription drug addiction, he tried to shield it from his relatives, Marlon revealed.
He said: “Michael was a very private person. He didn’t like people to pry into that.
“At one point there was concern about the prescriptions, about his painkillers and whether he was taking too much, but he seemed to have everything under control."
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
HE WAS A GREAT DAD
“At the beginning all that stuff is great but then at the end… Everybody was judging him – and all the ridicule that went with it.”
Marlon struggled to remain composed as he spoke with emotion about the last time he saw his brother alive: “It was couple of weeks before he died. He was fine, he was great.
"He was laughing and joking with the kids. He was getting ready for the tour (to the UK for his London O2 dates) and he was excited about his show, but mainly we were talking about the kids. Michael did a great job in raising them. They are not celebrity kids.”
Marlon said fun-loving Blanket was squirting people with a water pistol at the family get-together.
“Blanket is 007 – he’s always on a mission. He’s so active,” he said. “Prince is really good at electronics. He is more into technical things. And Paris is just very precious. She has such a sweet heart. They are all pretty observant. They are very respectful."
“Their lasting memory of their dad will be the great times they had with him. Michael won’t be here but he will live forever in our hearts, in our souls. He will always be missed.”
Katherine Jackson has guardianship of the children while Debbie Rowe, the biological mother of the two eldest, has been granted visiting rights.
The identity of the surrogate mum who gave birth to Blanket has never been revealed.
But Marlon said: “I don’t care where those kids come from – Michael was their daddy. He raised them from birth.
“Anyone can have a kid, anyone can be a father. But it takes something special to be a daddy.”
And taking a swipe at Jackson’s skin specialist Dr Arnold Klein, who has repeatedly refused to refute speculation that he fathered Prince Michael and Paris, he said: “People like Klein just want money or fame. Those were Michael’s kids regardless of where they came from and that’s all that counts.”
The children are to be taught at home, following the curriculum of a local private school.
Marlon said: “They will be home-schooled at the Encino compound where we studied as kids. They have the room there for classrooms and a big theatre for lessons.”
Marlon, one of the Jackson Five, left Encino aged 18 when he married wife Carol Ann but kept in constant touch with his younger brother.
He said: “When Michael and I got together we always got on to talking about the old days.
HE LOVED PRACTICAL JOKES
“On that last day he was reminiscing about how we once wet rolls of toilet tissue and threw them out of hotel windows. And how we filled up trash cans with water and threw the water down on to the street. We were pranksters, the pair of us.
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
Michael loathed their dad Joe, accusing him of beating him as a child, which Joe, who lives apart from Katherine, has always denied.
But Marlon insisted: “My father beat us a lot of times. I felt resentful.
“That sort of discipline wasn’t abnormal in our neighbourhood but it doesn’t mean it was right.”
And Marlon believes the beatings may have fatally damaged Jacko’s self-esteem and ability to fend for himself.
BROTHERS PLAN TRIBUTE SONG
“It does a couple of things to you – it forms you into this person who is not able to confront people when they’re not satisfied with things."
“It also makes people able to take advantage of you. I found a lot of my siblings were that way.”
The Jackson brothers – Marlon, Tito, Jermaine and Jackie – have pre-recorded a reality TV show which is set to be broadcast in the US several days after the funeral.
Marlon said: “We started shooting this in February so this has been planned for a long time."
“I think it’s also likely that at some point we will all get together to do a tribute song for Michael.”
Still struggling to come to terms with his grief, Marlon wakes early every day.
He said: “Every morning I get up around 6.30am and sit out on my porch and since Michael died there has been a little humming bird sitting there."
“He’s been there five times now and he just lands for around five seconds.
“The last time he was there I said, ‘OK Michael, how are you doing? I hope you’re doing alright’ and I think he is."
“In my heart I know he’s at peace.”
Peace
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!
Im with you thank you for your hard work!!!
The link betewn Mj and Howard Huges was disscused here already but it seems that people didnt saw the post about this subjects:
- Howard Hughes had doubles
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=13753
- Interesting stuff from the Rabbi Shmuley book (Leonardo Dicaprio payled tthe role of Howard Huges in THE AVIATOR)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=11485
You made a good observation about the concrete from Neverland and Charlie Chaplin,you are very smart. 8-)
This part about Marlon speaking its very intresting:
“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him." :shock: :D
Reading this part about how they lived when they were in Gary in that little house
reminded me of something :shock: :o :o :
“I just remember the last thing we said to each other was, ‘I love you’, and his last line was always, ‘I love you more’. And that was the last thing he said to me.”
Growing up in extreme poverty in the city of Gary, Indiana, Michael and Marlon lived in a two-bedroom house his parents bought for £500.
Marlon, who was just 17 months older than Michael, became his closest friend. The two little boys shared a bed.
“Michael and I slept in the same bed in a triple bunk,” he said. “Jermaine and Tito shared another bed and Jackie had the third bed to himself because Randy was just a baby."
“Michael and I used to look out of the window across the road across the field and say to each car that came along, ‘When I grow up I want to have that car’.
“That was as far as his ambition went. Wanting to be a superstar never really dawned on us.”
OMG just now I realize from were I know PEARL JR.I knew I know her from somewere.Last year in 2009 after 25 june I bought a newspaper with a dvd about Michael's life.Its about his legacy and on the cover of the DVD its Michael from Bad era I think with a red curtain in his back :shock: :lol: .On the back of the Dvd it say something about his legacy and that it will pass alot of time until we realize and understand the value of his legacy!!! 8-) :o
In this documenatry Pearl jr who is younger I think :?: :? say about Michael life before beeing famous and that he slept with his brothers in one bed.So thats why people dont understand his thing with sleeping with children in the bed .And after she present Michael's life in Gary and after that what we saw in june last year;the press conference,the memorial and the fans in front of Stample Center.I have to look again at the DVD,because my memoty fails me,excuse me. :?
Can you please tell me what was that connection with Jim Morrison and Elvis?
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13343&p=223649#p223649
Do you have news about dmovie27? :)
Love and Peace to all!!!
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:? :roll: Coincidences aside, the problem is that any analysis is nothing more than imagination, according to a fact accompli, and that this fact accompli is not necessarily linked to death false.
For example, the words "MJ 2040" can mean a continuation of its enduring success since 1969.
That is, there is absolutely nothing guaranteeing the correlation with a fake death because Michael has a logical explanation for everything he does.
Another example, in the essay "This Is It" when he says, "involve the public and snap your fingers and then Bam, the statement could mean for the team prepare, according to all their shows, namely:
1 - "Playing with the audience," is a time of preparation of the stage, the musicians.
2 - "And I snap my fingers," to say "I'm ready," and
3 - "Bam", this means the resumption of performance.
Forgive me my skepticism, pragmatism, stupidity, or whatever. :oops:
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Let's not forget Chinese horoscope to make the picture a little bit rounder.
Chinese horoscope does not concentrate on predicting future but on explaining social behaviour and pros and cons of getting along with someone.
Jan 28, 1960 would translate into a Metal Rat.
METAL RAT Horoscope
Jan 28, 1960 to Feb 14, 1961
Rat people are so charming and attractive they are always surrounded by friends and admirers. They can also be lone tumbleweeds, seldom making lasting friendships. Known as Perfectionists, they never want to lose face. It takes an understanding friend to get them to "put on the dancing plumes." Rat people have vivid imagination and are known for creating extraordinarily magic moments in time. Not surprisingly, the sensitive Rats have the gift of insight and clairvoyance, so you better watch out what you think around them! Rats enjoy being leaders and pacesetters and usually enjoy extraordinary success in life.
Hearty Bean Soup is one of the keys to good health for a Rat!!
If ten people are deserted on a desert island, one of them will lead everyone to safety and that person will undoubtedly be the decisive clear-thinking Metal Rat. This is a natural born leader who inspires everyone through unparalleled leadership! Quite the visionary, the idealistic Rat will see cathedrals in the middle of the desert and make believers out of non-believers. He or she has all the traits necessary to win and keep friends, charm, sincerity, trustworthiness, as well as a sense of humor and grand adventure. The enormously capable Metal Rats are very successful in their career, with financial rewards keeping them forever in clover. When it comes to love, Metal Rats' hearts tend to be a bit brittle because they have been wounded by past love affairs. However, when the Rats finally find the right person, they will do all they can to pursue love, using every means at their disposal. Love becomes a high priority.
Famous RAT people: Richard Nixon, Shakespeare, Prince Charles, Julia Child, Louis Armstrong, Prince Andrew, Andrew Lloyd-Webber, Kathleen Battle, Albert Finney
http://www.tuvy.com/entertainment/horoscope/metal_rat.htm
THE RAT
Rats are both charming and aggressive. They appear calm and well balanced on the surface,but underneath, they are restless and a little nervous. Rats are compatible,hard working, and they know how to hang on to a penny. They are never without admirers. They are very appealing.They have a bright and happy personality,and this keeps them busy socially.They love parties and other large gatherings. They like belonging to exclusive clubs and will often have a close circle of fellow conspirators.They like involvement and are very outgoing. Rats cherish friends and loved ones. For this reason,they often get entangled with others'problems and lives.
Rats love money and are quite shrewd where a buck is concerned. It is a hard task to separate Rats from their money. However, Rats can be very generous when their loved ones are concerned. Relatives are always welcome. Rats are definitely clannish and clever. With all these people around, Rats always find tasks for them to earn their keep. People will be put to work quickly in the Rat's house. Rats know how to keep a secret, if it's their own,but they are adept at finding out what others try to keep to themselves, and Rats wouldn't be above using the information if it were to their benefit.
One can always tell when Rats are upset. They become edgy,very nervous, and quite nagging. Rats are always taken by a bargain. They often buy things they don't need and tend to save everything. Souvenirs and sentimental odds and ends are found tucked away everywhere.
Since they make it a point to know everything about everybody,Rats are excellent writers. They have a good memory and are extremely inquisitive. Rats can be successful in almost everything they try to do. They easily adapt themselves to the situation at hand. They are at their best during any crisis and are great problem solvers. Rats are very level headed and are also very alert. Their intuition is strong and are always on the lookout for opportunities to better themselves. Rats seldom get into jams they can't escape since they cover themselves well in advance.They have a built in alarm system.
One of the Rat's biggest fault is that they try to do too much at once. They often scatter their energies and get nothing accomplished. Once they learn to finish what they have started,there is no stopping them from being successful. The Rat must also watch those fast deals and those great bargains. In these areas their judgment may fail them. They must not become too greedy,or they will suffer a financial blow or two.
Rats have great respect for their parents and dote on their own children. They love their home. Family life is very important to them. Rats born during the evening are tempted to a more hectic life than those born during the day.
Rats learn early, quickly, and are avid readers. They know how to express themselves well-both written and orally. Given the slightest chance, Rats can make a success of their lives.
http://www.rainfall.com/horoscop/rat.htm
There's the companion and other aspects in addition to the elements that define more details in a Chinese horoscope personality description.
I think it is quite interesting...
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Thanks for the info Grace...quite informative. I did a little digging into my own; Water Tiger. OMG someone's been in my house taking pictures & reading my mail! :lol: http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/ch ... /Tiger.htm (http://www.usbridalguide.com/special/chinesehoroscopes/Tiger.htm)
Tigers take pride in being different than others and generally illustrate their originality best in their homes. Tigers can utilize their atmosphere with color and light. A Tiger’s home will be filled with exotic treasures from trips past... *snicker snicker. My home is definitely my Castle :roll: : Medieval & Renaissance Art meets Celtic, Arthurian, Tuscan, Wood, Metal, Tapestry, Leather & Old World Decor with a side of Scottish Armoire & Tae Kwon D0. I'm an exotic mess...
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Boy, I'm late.. Hey, TS, great post, though I can't say I wasn't wishing for more! It's not easy for me to really get on and read and post, (which is frustrating because it does feel like I never can figure out anything useful to the hoax, and anything I do has already been said..) but I want to say: I'm still reading here and will not be leaving. MJ, if you see this: I wasn't one of those people who was a big fan of celebrities and music, it was you as a person that interested me, and you can be sure that my main concern to this day is reading into your hoax and helping you! Oh, and Elvis- you've got some great eyelashes, boy! Thank you for helping MJ, and I can't wait for Eliza to be proven in court.
I'm not going to try to debunk all this, by the way, not only am I too math-dumb, but I can already see the pointlessness..!
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I didn't have time to finish this earlier, TS, but I don't think I've told you how much your posts have opened my eyes- I will forever be grateful to you, Elvis and MJ for that. I think I'm going to go back and read some of the TIAI threads again. I know I don't know any of you, but I love you all through the spirits I feel through the music- and your posts, TS!
You know, I don't know why, but just now, "The Sign" kind of reminded me of the part of TII where "MJ" ("Sammy" the double) says something about not starting the music yet, and "wait for my growl, that growl"- along those lines. Probably no connection and just my head though, because he means the growl is like a "sign", you know?
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TS has excelled this time ... amazing! Thanks TS!!
Despite the indication of some dates importants, to me it seemed that the Bam takes a while yet, because it is dependent on the progress of the Elisa's case and the process of Murray.
But TS shows us that more important than the Bam is understanding the truth about it, because it is already a great step to understanding the Hoax and lessen the shock the world again when Michael come back ... and speaking on his return from Michael ... could either be before the release of their CD! It would be wonderful!!
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“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
That part above is revealing ALOT to me. :(
I had a conversation with Dmovie27 about my theory on this very subject.
The fact that Michael created a Monster...his Fame, "fans" and the media.
I compared Michael to the story of Frankenstein. I said Michael played both parts in that story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein)
The Mad scientist and the monster Frankenstein.
I also compared the monster Frankenstein to the "fans" and the media.
Michael created this monster and he is responsible for it and he is the only one who can kill it. (IMO & my theory, not fact)
@applehead,
I did see the thread about the Smuley Tapes and I read what you wrote about Howard Hughes. I was placing this Homage to Howard here as this thread will be read by many more people.
I have actually had the Howard, Charlie Chaplin (cement) and Frankenstein theory since March. I didn't post my theories back then because I wait to see if anyone else would find the comparisons. Since I didn't see any mention about the cement, I posted it and in this thread because it felt right to put it here.
The connection with Elvis and Jim Morrison is the fact that Elvis became fasinated about the idea of "hoaxing" his death after he saw how Jim Morrison was treated when he died.
It is spelled out on the attachment I posted on the thread you linked here.
That came from Elvis/Jesse's book and I got the info from Linda's website.
I don't speak to or keep tabs on Dmovie27. I have been done since I wrote on the thread you found in the hoax video section.
Peace
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Holy cow and I am glad I have followed the hoax for the last yr and a half otherwise this post would have me banging my head against the wall! I do have one question if someone can help me with this.
I have a form of dyslexia that deals with numbers (dyscalculia). In fact, when I see them the way they have been laid out I get VERY frustrated and cannot even add 2+2 if anyone can understand?
I do not understand the numerology because numbers leave me confused especially when grouped like this. I can add subtract multiply and divide.. Only people who understand this form of dyslexia can get what I am saying. Can someone help me understand numerology, please? If you are willing to do this, please send me a pm. I want to know what all these numbers mean. I want to know if a BAM is predicted in these numbers and what to expect. This was embarrassing for me to write :oops:
Thank you!
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Holy cow and I am glad I have followed the hoax for the last yr and a half otherwise this post would have me banging my head against the wall! I do have one question if someone can help me with this.
I have a form of dyslexia that deals with numbers (dyscalculia). In fact, when I see them the way they have been laid out I get VERY frustrated and cannot even add 2+2 if anyone can understand?
I do not understand the numerology because numbers leave me confused especially when grouped like this. I can add subtract multiply and divide.. Only people who understand this form of dyslexia can get what I am saying. Can someone help me understand numerology, please? If you are willing to do this, please send me a pm. I want to know what all these numbers mean. I want to know if a BAM is predicted in these numbers and what to expect. This was embarrassing for me to write :oops:
Thank you!
I have the same but didn't want to admit it here but now you have said it, I can join you.
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I don't think anyone should be embarrassed about having difficulty with the numbers. Different people learn in different ways. Just because the mainstream math teaching method in schools isn't effective for a child doesn't mean there's something "wrong" with child... rather, something is wrong with the method.
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I would also like to understand how these numbers fit with the hoax because, to be honest, its like trying to read a Chinese road map to me.
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[youtube:3fouocww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFdzg8io-y0[/youtube:3fouocww]
ROFLMAO...
This part is one of MY favorite scenes. I cried from laughing so hard @ The boy and Grammy!
A fame Monster 8-)
This year was the first time I watched this movie, it will never get old. ;)
Peace
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http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9136/t ... ascome.png (http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9136/thetimehascome.png)
4x the time has come
four year timeframe?
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http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9136/t ... ascome.png (http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/9136/thetimehascome.png)
The time has come. ( I hope so)
It is now I see and feel that calling once again.
To be part of a music that will not just connect but,make all feel one, (mission accomplished)
one in joy ,(accomplished),
one in pain, (super accomplished)
one in love,(double super accomplished)
one in service (supper upper accomplished)
and in conciousness.( yeeeep, more than ever Mr Jackson 8-) )
-Michael Jackson
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Ummm am I the only one thinking we are digging a bit too deep trying to find what male virgo it could be? lol :lol:
In all seriousness, I don't think we will know until he/she wants to reveal themselves.
I do love a bit of mystery. :)
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“Michael was trying to escape from what he had created. He put himself in a box and the only way he could escape from it was to come up with different disguises to experience what others take for granted in life – going to the store, walking down the street. The fame became a monster and he was pretty much boxed in a corner because everybody wanted a piece of him."
That part above is revealing ALOT to me. :(
I had a conversation with Dmovie27 about my theory on this very subject.
The fact that Michael created a Monster...his Fame, "fans" and the media.
I compared Michael to the story of Frankenstein. I said Michael played both parts in that story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein)
The Mad scientist and the monster Frankenstein.
I also compared the monster Frankenstein to the "fans" and the media.
Michael created this monster and he is responsible for it and he is the only one who can kill it. (IMO & my theory, not fact)
@applehead,
I did see the thread about the Smuley Tapes and I read what you wrote about Howard Hughes. I was placing this Homage to Howard here as this thread will be read by many more people.
I have actually had the Howard, Charlie Chaplin (cement) and Frankenstein theory since March. I didn't post my theories back then because I wait to see if anyone else would find the comparisons. Since I didn't see any mention about the cement, I posted it and in this thread because it felt right to put it here.
The connection with Elvis and Jim Morrison is the fact that Elvis became fasinated about the idea of "hoaxing" his death after he saw how Jim Morrison was treated when he died.
It is spelled out on the attachment I posted on the thread you linked here.
That came from Elvis/Jesse's book and I got the info from Linda's website.
I don't speak to or keep tabs on Dmovie27. I have been done since I wrote on the thread you found in the hoax video section.
Peace
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
I believe the same like you that Michael had created this MONSTER named FAME.This thing about FAME reminded me about Lady Gaga's lirycs from one of her songs:
DO YOU WANT LOVE OR DO YOU WANT FAME?
Michael is a very complex man,he is a genius and like a riddle you know :lol: .We never know what would he do next time:idea: :D
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFdzg8io-y0[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
ROFLMAO...
This part is one of MY favorite scenes. I cried from laughing so hard @ The boy and Grammy!
A fame Monster 8-)
This year was the first time I watched this movie, it will never get old. ;)
Peace
Talking about MOONWALKER ,I like very much too that part,lol.But I have something to show you,something I found recently about that blond little girl who played in the movie.Please watch this video ,you will be amazed what a beautiful woman is she today and how beautiful is she speaking about Michael.
The images are from Neverland where she is back after all this years.Omg her last words about Michael and Neverland made me cry so bad :cry: :cry: .Can you imagine what a wonderful human being Michael is?????
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-WR-1r-vq0[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
After watching the video about Neverland please go again and look for the second time at the video. 8-) :shock: .Yes please look again ,you heard me well,but this time dont look at the people ,look at the nature ,places,surroundings,buildings and trees.
I have a theory,but please read this with an open mind ok?
Last year after looking at the FUNERAL on youtube,something about THAT PLACE WAS FAMILIAR TO ME :shock: .I dont remember well but last year I saw a video called:Floating Over Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch...
You will be amazed to find out that after the FUNERAL this video was blocked by SONY, :shock: :o .I knew it,the images are almost identical with the ones from Funeral.Its someone from a zeppelin who is filming the ranch but now this video its blocked.I wonder whyyyy?????????? And why by Sony if there are just images?????? What Sony has to do with Neverland????? :shock: :o .
I dont know if you know but Moonwalker was made at Neverland and can you imagine how big Neverland is????? :shock: .You can build an entire studio there,so what do you say about my theory? This theory was in my head from last year but now I had the chance to share it to you 8-) .
Here are more videos over Neverland and the one from Funeral,to compare.I thik that the images from Funeral from above was done deliberately :shock: ,to see how clever we are maybe???? :roll: :lol:
Flying with Robert - Neverland Ranch
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hpkze20xIY[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72LKjVoD1jg&feature=related[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
Neverland: Then and Now ]
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9hZtCvv1-U&feature=related[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
Michael Jackson Neverland Ranch - Brando Wedding 1994
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kumbli25w6o[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
Michael Jackson Funeral (3) Who is the mystery man in the obvious disguise?
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJIqyaJhZx0[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
The Michael Jackson Funeral (2)
[youtube:3q5p3adp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I[/youtube:3q5p3adp]
LOVE
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WoW!
@applehead,
You have done your homework on the vids, thanks for these. There is alot to analyze so I will need some TIME to watch and then I will be ready to give a fair opinion.
I am just now in the middle of reading the 10 pages on "BACK" postings.
I will state now that Michael's movie Moonwalker reveals alot of info on his plans from way back. The whole movie is actually a designed plan. Every scene is relevant to Michael's life as we know it today.
In the movie he has 3 children who are with him. 2 boys and 1 girl.
Real LIFE he has Prince 1 boy, Paris 1 girl and Blanket 1 boy ( who is darker skin tone)like the boy in the movie.
When I read Linda's website on Elvis/Jesse I apply Michael and the parallels to Elvis and look for clues based on that. Meaning Elvis/Jesse has stated to Linda to watch ALL of his movies and videos for clues he left.
Peace
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[youtube:2ibfo7yn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w[/youtube:2ibfo7yn]
Another favorite scene of mine from Michael's Captain EO. I saw this for the first time this year. I lmao, it is awesome.
I somehow relate to the Creature lady, and her heart being harden.
After Captain EO smooth talken to her she is TRANSFORMED.
I relate to that, as of Jan. 2010 I was that "Heiness" crusty creature woman, lol
Then I found this website and I am TRANSFORMED.
[youtube:2ibfo7yn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAa9ZUaA1LQ[/youtube:2ibfo7yn]
Here is a nice video of Elizabeth as Cleopatra and Michael.
[youtube:2ibfo7yn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQFD9vT-cE[/youtube:2ibfo7yn]
The reloaded version of Captain EO has the creature woman turn into Elizabeth looking like Cleopatra.
IMO another Homage from Michael to Elizbeth intertwined in clues for this "hoax"
Peace
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The sound track behind the Captin EO teaser video reminds me of the wicked witch from the Wizard of Ozz! ;) JMO
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I didn´t want to open a new thread just to post this;
While doing some research, i came by chance to this quotes;
Second Coming of Christ - No One Knows When
The Second Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers. There's one guarantee: As soon as someone predicts the day or time of Jesus Christ's second coming, that prediction is wrong. Why? Simply, only God the Father knows when it will be -- Jesus doesn't even know. Jesus told His disciples:
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Matthew 24:36, 40 & 42)
Second Coming of Christ - Signs for Keeping Watch
We could just shrug our shoulders and casually wait for the Second Coming of Christ. However, Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D.
I have been reading another thread with a so called "BACK" whos signature seems to be
Keep Watchin'
TS, explained that his name was This is also it and Study, all together....but what about The Second?
If we take this in a metaphorical context;
Joe=The father=God?
MJ=Jesus?
The disciples= The people involved in the hoax?
Byble quotes has been used several times
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Coming of Christ is plagued by many false teachings. Prediction books have even been written picking the exact day of Jesus' return. These books may sell many copies, but they mislead their readers
In deed. How many trolls have been misleading us?
Jesus wants us to "keep watch." A great way to keep watch is to know what the Bible reveals about upcoming events and compare those to what we see happening today. There are nearly 100 biblical passages discussing the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. The key events can be summarized with the acrostic: S - E - C - O - N - D.
Well, from that point of view almost looks like if this hoax has the biblical passages discussing the 2nd coming of Christ (a.k.a MJ) to know the revelation about the upcoming events regarding a possible come back....summarized the key events
with the acrostic......
Has this hoax been following the bible as the roll model book?
(time for me to go to bed)
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I can tell you one thing here and that is that I won't be attempting it,after 4years with finance as a module on my degree course guess what....yah I still suck at math!ha.My mind is blown just from reading that post.
I am new to reading your posts and updates,I was sent a link by a friend who only hinted you knew what you were talking about and would maybe help me with what I need to know,so I am going through them one by one.
I have my own theory,obviously,don't we all?but I am intrigued to see if they cross paths with the ideas and reasons behind each part of this...'hoax'.That is such a negative word....Lets call it a production instead.
Looking forward to seeing what comes up next.
Sinderella
(and no I don't have to be home by midnight ;) )
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Welcome Sinderella!
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow, you have over 700 posts on here and you don't know who TS is?!? To answer your question, does it prove 100% Michael is alive, I say yes it does!! Do some reading and maybe you will have the same conclusion! Go to: search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts) and learn about TS and all the evidence that MJ lives! Hope the link works, I'm new at trying this! CHEERS! :P
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
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I can tell you one thing here and that is that I won't be attempting it,after 4years with finance as a module on my degree course guess what....yah I still suck at math!ha.My mind is blown just from reading that post.
I am new to reading your posts and updates,I was sent a link by a friend who only hinted you knew what you were talking about and would maybe help me with what I need to know,so I am going through them one by one.
I have my own theory,obviously,don't we all?but I am intrigued to see if they cross paths with the ideas and reasons behind each part of this...'hoax'.That is such a negative word....Lets call it a production instead.
Looking forward to seeing what comes up next.
Sinderella
(and no I don't have to be home by midnight ;) )
Glad to see you here Sinderella, enjoyed our chat yesterday :D
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Hi!
Thank you very much :)
Don't know what is going on with the whole colour code thing in that last reply but..I never claimed to be a whizz at HTML.
It was such a good chat!There is so much information to take in,my favourite phrase atm to sum all of this up is Mind.Blown.
I've just had a massive rant on facebook at someone about NWO and the media as well...On a roll today.
MJ was in my dream a few nights ago...totally random..wasn't even about him he just showed up and put himself in there and round his neck was a sign saying 'the witch hunter' I have no idea why,but I feel compelled to remember that specific detail.I don't recall the rest of the dream..just that we were stood in an old theatre I read the sign and then he dissapeared.
If you knew about me and my dreams...you would be more freaked out than I am.It's not a gift..it's just odd.
I need to speak to someone on a couch I think..
Sinderella-
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
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Don't worry Sinderella, you're not the only one with wired dreams about Michael :D
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
or a very clever bamboozleer :lol:
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Ok, I've had a while to think about this post and I'm hoping someone can help me understand a couple of things about numerology.
I can fully see why all the numerology in MJ and Elvis' cases provides evidence of planning and structure but I'm curious. Is it used just as a code, or a series of intentional clues, in certain situations (e.g. a hoaxed death) or do people who use numerology use it in their general everyday lives, to plan and select appropriate days and times to do more mundane things?
Is numerology simply a belief in 'lucky numbers' or does it go deeper than that for those who follow it?
I suppose what I'm asking is, is MJ's hoax numerology purely for our benefit (and it's the icing on the cake for me, incidentally, as regards proof that MJ is alive, or maybe even the raw ingredients the cake was made from!), or were these dates and times important for him personally for other reasons?
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
or a very clever bamboozleer :lol:
It is amazing to see ALL of THIS unfold.
[youtube:3bggewb9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ro9dny1K8[/youtube:3bggewb9]
Michael had told ALL of us he was going to do this through this song.
Listen and REALLY hear his words.
His eyes on the Invincible Cover is hypnotic, lol
I can feel the magic behind this album. ;)
Here is another thread discussing the song Cry viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848)
He told us. And he told us again in this Post. The Sign ;)
trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
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trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
Indeed! I noticed that too! Thanks TS! :)
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Don't worry Sinderella, you're not the only one with wired dreams about Michael :D
Haha,I woke up like...............................The witch Hunter.wtf.
Might be the title for my first tv documentary ;)
WHAT DREAMS MAY COME.....
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There is a thread, visions from Michael, where dreams are being collected and discussed :)
Feel welcome to post!
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow! You've been a member for this long, over 700 posts, a member of the Army of L.O.V.E. (by TS) and you don't know who he is? :o
Please read his posts! Go to this original post, and click the username "TS" and click "view more posts" ...
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Well, we don't know WHO TS is, what's important it's what he says.......
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
or a very clever bamboozleer :lol:
It is amazing to see ALL of THIS unfold.
[youtube:g80mq1bm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ro9dny1K8[/youtube:g80mq1bm]
Michael had told ALL of us he was going to do this through this song.
Listen and REALLY hear his words.
His eyes on the Invincible Cover is hypnotic, lol
I can feel the magic behind this album. ;)
Here is another thread discussing the song Cry viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848)
He told us. And he told us again in this Post. The Sign ;)
trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
Well spotted Im_convincedmjalive I forgot the song Cry! "I'm gonna need some kind of sign"+ trublu's post + TS answer... :shock: yes hyptonic and deep look of Michael...wow.
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Well, we don't know WHO TS is, what's important it's what he says.......
Yes I think that we learned the lesson well it has been repeated so many times :lol: it's just fascinating what's happening ;) I sincerely apologize to have brought back the who is The Sign subject :lol:
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yes, and what's interesting about Cry video is that Michael does not appear at all in it, giving all the attention to the human chaine, to the people of the world.
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yes, and what's interesting about Cry video is that Michael does not appear at all in it, giving all the attention to the human chaine, to the people of the world.
Yes to emphasize the fact that we must do it all together no matter what are our beliefs and origins. Michael really needs us and all the people who want love and the truth to reign. This song is so beautiful.
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yes, and what's interesting about Cry video is that Michael does not appear at all in it, giving all the attention to the human chaine, to the people of the world.
Yes to emphasize the fact that we must do it all together no matter what are our beliefs and origins. Michael really needs us and all the people who want love and the truth to reign. This song is so beautiful.
That's just pure genius. But can we be up to Mr. Jackson's expectations?
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yes, and what's interesting about Cry video is that Michael does not appear at all in it, giving all the attention to the human chaine, to the people of the world.
Yes to emphasize the fact that we must do it all together no matter what are our beliefs and origins. Michael really needs us and all the people who want love and the truth to reign. This song is so beautiful.
That's just pure genius. But can we be up to Mr. Jackson's expectations?
Michael says it himself, he cannot do it alone and it's true the task is so big, so I really think that he needs us. But as to know if he is disappointed by us or not I cannot tell. Maybe it has something to do with the test.
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trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
Indeed! I noticed that too! Thanks TS! :)
Yes, I think TS gave us the answer we were looking for, but it may not really be what his initials stand for, just a signature for this particular post. ;)
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[youtube:3k9fq0sx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w[/youtube:3k9fq0sx]
Another favorite scene of mine from Michael's Captain EO. I saw this for the first time this year. I lmao, it is awesome.
I somehow relate to the Creature lady, and her heart being harden.
After Captain EO smooth talken to her she is TRANSFORMED.
I relate to that, as of Jan. 2010 I was that "Heiness" crusty creature woman, lol
Then I found this website and I am TRANSFORMED.
[youtube:3k9fq0sx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAa9ZUaA1LQ[/youtube:3k9fq0sx]
Here is a nice video of Elizabeth as Cleopatra and Michael.
[youtube:3k9fq0sx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQFD9vT-cE[/youtube:3k9fq0sx]
The reloaded version of Captain EO has the creature woman turn into Elizabeth looking like Cleopatra.
IMO another Homage from Michael to Elizbeth intertwined in clues for this "hoax"
Peace
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
Thank you very much for the videos,especially fro that one with Cleopatra and Michael.I dont know why but a always saw a bundle betewn Elizabet's movie Cleopatra and Michael's videoclip Rememebr the time.And its something weird about Black Eyed Peas video Meet me halfway, ;) I think.You know the piramids and the starts.
I have so many things to tell here on this forum,but unfortunately my time is conditioned.I discovered something about MISS CAST AWAY movie also and when I will have time I will post.I really think that Miss cats away was done with a goal and not just for fun.Somebody here on this forum said something about HOLLYWOOD and the illusion that can be created .If you want to understand what I mean you have to see for yourself from the begining till the end this movie.It has alot of clues.The actors also,rememeber that Eric Roberts played in one of Akon and Mariah Carey video clips 8-) ..........
Can you tell me please what do you think about my last post about Neverland and Funeral? Can be possible what I thought? :idea: :?:
God bless you all!!!
LOVE
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@applehead,
Your thinking is very good. Here is a thread discussing Miss Cast Away.
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426&start=0)
Yes definetly HOLLYWOODLAND is ALL illusion and IMAGE. Stories of half truth and half lies of everyday stuff in real life. With All this Confusion doesn't it make you wanna scream!
ILLUSIONS!
[youtube:1ki4pqbz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbC2qhIiRrQ[/youtube:1ki4pqbz]
Here is a connection to the egyptian theme, and origination of Truth.
As for the Funeral: You definetly have a point about the funeral possibly filmed at Neverland Ranch. If he filmed Moonwalker there why not the funeral.
Those comparision videos are close. I think it's very possible the filming happened at Neverland.
Michael may very well have a Movie Studio there.
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow! You've been a member for this long, over 700 posts, a member of the Army of L.O.V.E. (by TS) and you don't know who he is? :o
Please read his posts! Go to this original post, and click the username "TS" and click "view more posts" ...
:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow! You've been a member for this long, over 700 posts, a member of the Army of L.O.V.E. (by TS) and you don't know who he is? :o
Please read his posts! Go to this original post, and click the username "TS" and click "view more posts" ...
:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
In a few words? :shock: :? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: TS wrote a fucking book on this forum. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... aled01.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_revealed01.php) ... You you are missing out on the most important things in this hoax, but that's your loss...
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow! You've been a member for this long, over 700 posts, a member of the Army of L.O.V.E. (by TS) and you don't know who he is? :o
Please read his posts! Go to this original post, and click the username "TS" and click "view more posts" ...
:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
In a few words? :shock: :? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: TS wrote a fucking book on this forum. http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... aled01.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_revealed01.php) ... You you are missing out on the most important things in this hoax, but that's your loss...
I can live with that "loss", I'll be fine. What is most important for me is we have not lost Michael, hopefully. Whether it is hoax or not, will be proven by the time only.
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Yeah, or you should read some stuff to be sure he is alive and go on with your life. (i.e. read TS' posts...)
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
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I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
I agree with you suspicious mind! Micheal said he's going to need some kind of sign and I think The Sign is it! :shock:
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
On second thought, perhaps you should just go on with your life. If this is your attitude, we don't need you working on this with us.
Love to you, but seriously, if you're so smart why does anyone need to spell it out to you "in couple words"?
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
I'll zip it here and just say I agree with bec.
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Ok, I've had a while to think about this post and I'm hoping someone can help me understand a couple of things about numerology.
I can fully see why all the numerology in MJ and Elvis' cases provides evidence of planning and structure but I'm curious. Is it used just as a code, or a series of intentional clues, in certain situations (e.g. a hoaxed death) or do people who use numerology use it in their general everyday lives, to plan and select appropriate days and times to do more mundane things?
Is numerology simply a belief in 'lucky numbers' or does it go deeper than that for those who follow it?
I suppose what I'm asking is, is MJ's hoax numerology purely for our benefit (and it's the icing on the cake for me, incidentally, as regards proof that MJ is alive, or maybe even the raw ingredients the cake was made from!), or were these dates and times important for him personally for other reasons?
Has no one anything to say to me? :(
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Ok, I've had a while to think about this post and I'm hoping someone can help me understand a couple of things about numerology.
I can fully see why all the numerology in MJ and Elvis' cases provides evidence of planning and structure but I'm curious. Is it used just as a code, or a series of intentional clues, in certain situations (e.g. a hoaxed death) or do people who use numerology use it in their general everyday lives, to plan and select appropriate days and times to do more mundane things?
Is numerology simply a belief in 'lucky numbers' or does it go deeper than that for those who follow it?
I suppose what I'm asking is, is MJ's hoax numerology purely for our benefit (and it's the icing on the cake for me, incidentally, as regards proof that MJ is alive, or maybe even the raw ingredients the cake was made from!), or were these dates and times important for him personally for other reasons?
Has no one anything to say to me? :(
What is Numerology?
Numerology is a metaphysical science similar to astrology. The big difference is that numerology deals with how numbers influence objects and people in the universe while astrology uses the planets, sun and moon. Unlike astrology, however, numerology is very easy to learn and the basic calculations can be performed by just about anyone once you know how to do them.
The roots of numerology date back thousands of years and variations of it can be found in most cultures throughout history. While many people dismiss it as a pseudo-science, it has been taught and studied by some of the most respected mathematicians throughout history.
Numerology analyzes and uses the combinations of the letters in your name and the date on which you were born to give clues as to your character, strengths and weaknesses, natural talents, motivations and life purpose. You can take the information given to you by numerology and use it to help get back on track and move in the direction you were born to take. That's not to say that everything is set in stone and you HAVE to do things a certain way, but by making simple changes in your life that are more in line with your numerology chart you may be pleasantly surprised at how everything seems to improve, things fall naturally into place and you find the happiness you have been seeking. Straying too far off the path laid out for you by your numbers may have the opposite effect and make life seem difficult, stressful and unfulfilled.
Used correctly, numerology can help free you from perceived limitations you may have and push you to be the best you can be. At the same time it can help you to know where your weaknesses lie and alert you to when you are taking your life in the wrong direction. What you do with numerology depends on you, though, because to make the most of it you must intentionally nurture the positive traits and consciously take steps to recognize and avoid developing the negative traits.
http://www.aboutnumerology.com/
A Brief History of Numerology
The history of numerology is somewhat cloudy with no definite answer as to where it first originated. Egypt and Babylon are recognized as the earliest recorded history of numerology by the majority of numerologists. It was here that the Chaldean system was developed under the influence of the Hebrews. There is also evidence of the use of numerology thousands of years ago in China, Rome, Japan and Greece. The credit for modern numerology, however, is most often given to the Greek philosopher Pythagoras.
http://www.aboutnumerology.com/history.php
Types of Numerology
Kabbalah Numerology
Chaldean Numerology
Pythagorean or Western Numerology
Abracadabra Numerology
Gematria (they missed this one ;))
http://www.aboutnumerology.com/types.php
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Thank you serenitys dream! Just what I wanted. More reading later!
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
Well now, that’s a bit condescending. >_>
If you are going to throw your weight around and belittle others where it concerns education, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your grammar skills.
I can’t believe that someone on here would make such a comment.
I don’t see how getting familiar with TS and his/her posts could possibly take that much of time.
But seriously… If you have that kind of attitude towards all of this, why are you here?
If you don’t care about TS, that’s fine but don’t try to make those of us that do care feel like we don’t have lives.
Aside from that, what makes you sure that those of us on this forum do not have professional degrees or are in the process of getting such degrees? Trust me. You are not the only educated one here.
This is so wrong… I can’t believe I’m even replying to such a comment.
I’m really sorry Michael. Please forgive me. ~_~;
I would also like to apologize to TS, Souza, Mo and my fellow members of this forum. I just really get upset when people try to degrade others.
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
scorpionchik, here's what I have to say regarding your above belittling comment:
“Nothing that is worth knowing can be taught.”
“Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.”
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One thing is sure, no 999,- reward for me -
but better materially poor than poor in spirit! ;)
...still a beLIEver... :mrgreen:
Love, friends!
:D
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
I can't thank you enough for my morning chuckle :lol: :lol: If you only knew...
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” Sorry to burst your bubble, but I never gave you consent...so your attempt at belittling was a huge failure.
To Mo and Souza, as well as the other members, who came to my defence and showed some L.O.V.E.....thank you. As E. Roosevelt so eloquently said, “Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people”.
Enough said...movin' on.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
Thank you very much for the videos,especially fro that one with Cleopatra and Michael.I dont know why but a always saw a bundle betewn Elizabet's movie Cleopatra and Michael's videoclip Rememebr the time.And its something weird about Black Eyed Peas video Meet me halfway, ;) I think.You know the piramids and the starts.
I have so many things to tell here on this forum,but unfortunately my time is conditioned.I discovered something about MISS CAST AWAY movie also and when I will have time I will post.I really think that Miss cats away was done with a goal and not just for fun.Somebody here on this forum said something about HOLLYWOOD and the illusion that can be created .If you want to understand what I mean you have to see for yourself from the begining till the end this movie.It has alot of clues.The actors also,rememeber that Eric Roberts played in one of Akon and Mariah Carey video clips 8-) ..........
Can you tell me please what do you think about my last post about Neverland and Funeral? Can be possible what I thought? :idea: :?:
God bless you all!!!
LOVE
Hello applehead,
I meant to post this link yesterday. This is a Great series of videos from Serenity.
She did an awesome job explaining That ALL roads lead to Egypt.
Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/XxSerenityxDreamsxX (http://www.youtube.com/user/XxSerenityxDreamsxX)
Start here:
[youtube:299py3vt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd6Jdz0fSAY[/youtube:299py3vt]
Take the time to watch ALL of her videos on Egypt. Well worth it.[/color]
On another point, I have already posted about Michael telling us his plans through his movies, which includes "This Is It".
I re-read TIAI Revealed part 7. viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572)
This caught my eye:
R39. Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
{http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251494/photo.jhtml}
This clue was one of the still shots, from the TII trailer; specifically, an army of soldiers, with an “M” in the center of the background (Michael’s army). Take a look at a close up picture of the soldiers, and you will see that they are not carrying guns or weapons { http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacks ... hoto.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251493/photo.jhtml) }. This is because it’s an Army of L.O.V.E., not an army of violence.
These soldiers in the TII movie were filmed as part of the song “They Don’t Really Care About Us”. This army needs to stand up against the NWO corruption, the very ones that MJ is singing about—who don’t really care about us, but kill thousands of their own citizens to forward their evil agenda.
Actually, all four of the film segments in TII are directly related to the hoax and its purpose. Smooth Criminal: about the hoaxed death. Thriller: about the MJ “resurrection”. Earth Song: butterflies (represent re-birth), and healing the world (environment, etc).The army, just discussed above. Wow! Yet another amazing coincidence!! Or perhaps, was this planned?? ;)
Those in the old MJHD forum will remember that I tried hard, more than once, to rally an Army of L.O.V.E. (though at the time, I did not go into the conspiracy aspect); but I got only about a hundred people to post their support prior to the release of the movie. So let’s try again; this time, we can do better. How about several hundred, or several thousand—maybe more than ten thousand! But if we can only come up with a hundred again, then don’t be too surprised if MJ doesn’t come back.
Many people will refuse to listen, yes; but for those who are open-minded, just ask them to go to ThisIsAlsoIt.com, and read TIAI Revealed. Especially if they are MJ fans, remind them that MJ himself said: “Prejudice is ignorance”.
And even if someone still believes that MJ is dead (or alive, but will never come back): the basic message is just as important. So please don’t let doubt, as to whether MJ is still alive, stop anyone from helping to “heal the world”.
I will post a thread in this same sub-forum
{ viewforum.php?f=72 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=72) }, titled “Recruiting Soldiers for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.” Please post at least your support; and additionally, entirely voluntarily, you can mention specifics that you are willing to do: starting with the “Man in the Mirror”, make that “change”; maybe a New Year’s resolution. And then go beyond yourself, and reach out to others, joining together in helping to “Heal the World”. This is Michael’s message; This Is It.
So the part I have underlined, is what I am referring to.[/b][/color]
The next section on TIAI Revealed Part 7 is a HUGE clue when it comes to what kind of war we are about to face. It also explains what the best approach will be when protecting oneself.
R40. “The Whole Armor of God”
{ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=KJ21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206:12-13&version=KJ21) }
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world [NWO powers], against spiritual wickedness in high places. Therefore, take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and, having done all, to stand.” (Ephesians 6:12,13; 21st Century KJV).
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I see so many new things I may have missed the first time when I do a re-read of TS posts.
Peace
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What is this thread about anyway? Who's TS? I really have no clue.
Just shortly, does it 100% proves that Michael is alive or it is another theory/clue/numerology/guess/conclusion?
Wow! You've been a member for this long, over 700 posts, a member of the Army of L.O.V.E. (by TS) and you don't know who he is? :o
Please read his posts! Go to this original post, and click the username "TS" and click "view more posts" ...
:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can NOT sum TS up in a few words. & you know nothing about the hoax if you havent read TS. Sorry but its the truth. Please dont be so selfish with your time & take a few minutes out each day for Michael. :roll:
& if you read TS, you wouldnt need to call Encino and ask them. You would [s:14qnkmg4]believe[/s:14qnkmg4] know 100% that Michaels alive.
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I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION [/color][/b].
Hoax Death 101
Asking the family and close friends:
If he's dead they'll say no (because, he's dead :roll: ) if he's alive they'll say no (to perpetuate the hoax). Try asking a more well thought out question like, "why didn't you believe Michael when he said his life was in danger" something like that.
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I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION [/color][/b].
Hoax Death 101
Asking the family and close friends:
If he's dead they'll say no (because, he's dead :roll: ) if he's alive they'll say no (to perpetuate the hoax). Try asking a more well thought out question like, "why didn't you believe Michael when he said his life was in danger" something like that.
That's a good example. I'll keep in mind when I decide to go there again.
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:lol: :lol: I have no time to go back and read about TS, I have more important things to read and do. Just tell me in couple words, I'll get it.
YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE, TO ME WOULD BE MUCH EASIER TO GO ENCINO, CALL FROM OUTSIDE AND WHEN SOMEONE SPEAKS "HOW CAN I HELP YOU?", I ASK : "JUST TELL ME PLEASE STRAIGHT, IS MICHAEL ALIVE OR DEAD? WE FANS, GOING CRAZY OUT THERE". SERIOUSLY, I FEEL THAT I AM ABOUT TO DO THAT AND I AM CRAZY ENOUGH TO DO IT, I DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT. I AM TIRED OF SPECULATIONS AND DELUSION .
I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have.
Scorpionchik, I am hoping and praying you really didn't mean to imply that those of us educating ourselves on the hoax are in any way a. uneducated b. without degrees c. not in professional fields or d. without a life. :D
Also, I know you didn't mean to imply that you have no time. All educated, well self-managed people can make time for anything they place as a high priority.
We all have our gifts, no one is "better" than the other. If your gift is getting down to the bottomline, the nitty gritty, the facts, then we can use that gift of yours. If another is more detailed picking up on little connections, we can use that too.
It sounds like you are an intelligent person so you will understand the value of learning these things for yourself. I know you wouldn't want to base your beliefs on another's interpretation of TS's posts.
Of course, I am making some assumptions as to who you are as a person and I could be completely wrong. I choose to believe, based on your professional stature that you share some commonalities with those of us who are also educated (traditionally in the school systems with degrees and by various life experiences)
I look forward to hearing more from how you can value all the other people on this site and what they have to offer.
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I can sum up TS in a 'couple words' for you....Educate yourself.
Educate myself in what, hoax? :lol: You better educate yourself to get the degree in more serious professional field I have. [/quote]
Scorpionchik, I am hoping and praying you really didn't mean to imply that those of us educating ourselves on the hoax are in any way a. uneducated b. without degrees c. not in professional fields or d. without a life. :D
Also, I know you didn't mean to imply that you have no time. All educated, well self-managed people can make time for anything they place as a high priority.
We all have our gifts, no one is "better" than the other. If your gift is getting down to the bottomline, the nitty gritty, the facts, then we can use that gift of yours. If another is more detailed picking up on little connections, we can use that too.
It sounds like you are an intelligent person so you will understand the value of learning these things for yourself. I know you wouldn't want to base your beliefs on another's interpretation of TS's posts.
Of course, I am making some assumptions as to who you are as a person and I could be completely wrong. I choose to believe, based on your professional stature that you share some commonalities with those of us who are also educated (traditionally in the school systems with degrees and by various life experiences)
I look forward to hearing more from how you can value all the other people on this site and what they have to offer.[/quote]
Reply was pointed to THE PERSON WHO TRIED FIRST TO DISRESPECT ME ADVISING EDUCATE MYSELF WHERE I FELT MOCKERY! IF IT COMES TO EXCUSE, I AM THE ONE WHOM SHE SHOULD APOLOGIZE!
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Reply was pointed to THE PERSON WHO TRIED FIRST TO DISRESPECT ME ADVISING EDUCATE MYSELF WHERE I FELT MOCKERY! IF IT COMES TO EXCUSE, I AM THE ONE WHOM SHE SHOULD APOLOGIZE!
No, because you wanted a summary and you got it. You were the one being disrespectful and like I told you: let that be the last time.
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Right, I wanted summary, not ridicule. She got, what she planted!
Like I said Souza, I was not going to lower my head on disrespectful comment and will not. Let's be this last for every one. [=
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
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Right, I wanted summary, not ridicule. She got, what she planted!
Like I said Souza, I was not going to lower my head on disrespectful comment and will not. Let's be this last for every one. [=
Clearly as educated as you might be, you can always learn some more, because after 3 explanations you still don't understand the "Educate yourself" part, that indeed IS a summary of TS' posts. One reason more to lower your tone and start to treat people equally.
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Where's my $999 dollars?
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
You have an interesting perspective on this - I like it! I very often prefer to keep myself to myself, I don't like conflict and drama, and often I feel overlooked or sidelined because I'm not forceful or confident enough with my words. In my opinion, those that shout and create a fuss get too much attention. This is in real life as well as here! But I learn a lot by watching and listening! Love and peace to you too!
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Thank you, TS, for this post. My faith has never been so strong. Regarding the critics, I don't think you should consider them as an obstacle in your mission, since you have already undertaken the role of "The Sign" and, as we all know, signs are sometimes unobserved, mistaken, misunderstood or misinterpreted... until the truth is revealed. Time will tell all and it will validate the sign as well. Anyway, I liked the challenge and the reversed perspective you approached, very intelligent!
God bless you and Michael!
LOVE,
Andy
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
You have an interesting perspective on this - I like it! I very often prefer to keep myself to myself, I don't like conflict and drama, and often I feel overlooked or sidelined because I'm not forceful or confident enough with my words. In my opinion, those that shout and create a fuss get too much attention. This is in real life as well as here! But I learn a lot by watching and listening! Love and peace to you too!
;)
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Where's my $999 dollars?
Where's your post debunking the numbers? Did I miss it? Love to read it, linky me pleasey?
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
:D :D you read my mind
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[youtube:39g01edl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w[/youtube:39g01edl]
Another favorite scene of mine from Michael's Captain EO. I saw this for the first time this year. I lmao, it is awesome.
I somehow relate to the Creature lady, and her heart being harden.
After Captain EO smooth talken to her she is TRANSFORMED.
I relate to that, as of Jan. 2010 I was that "Heiness" crusty creature woman, lol
Then I found this website and I am TRANSFORMED.
[youtube:39g01edl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAa9ZUaA1LQ[/youtube:39g01edl]
Here is a nice video of Elizabeth as Cleopatra and Michael.
[youtube:39g01edl]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZQFD9vT-cE[/youtube:39g01edl]
The reloaded version of Captain EO has the creature woman turn into Elizabeth looking like Cleopatra.
IMO another Homage from Michael to Elizbeth intertwined in clues for this "hoax"
Peace
Hello Im_convincedmjalive!!!!!
Thank you very much for the videos,especially fro that one with Cleopatra and Michael.I dont know why but a always saw a bundle betewn Elizabet's movie Cleopatra and Michael's videoclip Rememebr the time.And its something weird about Black Eyed Peas video Meet me halfway, ;) I think.You know the piramids and the starts.
I have so many things to tell here on this forum,but unfortunately my time is conditioned.I discovered something about MISS CAST AWAY movie also and when I will have time I will post.I really think that Miss cats away was done with a goal and not just for fun.Somebody here on this forum said something about HOLLYWOOD and the illusion that can be created .If you want to understand what I mean you have to see for yourself from the begining till the end this movie.It has alot of clues.The actors also,rememeber that Eric Roberts played in one of Akon and Mariah Carey video clips 8-) ..........
Can you tell me please what do you think about my last post about Neverland and Funeral? Can be possible what I thought? :idea: :?:
God bless you all!!!
LOVE
I think you're on to something.
* Snicker snicker...
The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place :lol:
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgment night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear. :o
What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.
It isn’t. It’s the beginning...
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@emerald city, very good post. :)
As I understand it, in an ARG, designers do not communicate about the game with players; the closest TS has come to mentioning it is redirect 5/03. I believe TIAI is a kind of user manual for us, a faith builder, the indispensable handbook to the hoax, or the "production". It makes me wonder how many others out there have skipped this vital "sign". In my opinion, it's the lifeblood, the heartbeat of the hoax. To not utilize the information TS has given is like trying to assemble a puzzle without having the picture on the box. I also think TS has ways of making us think, of getting us to review what we do believe, and to express our ideas, beliefs, and opinions. ;)
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@emerald city, very good post. :)
As I understand it, in an ARG, designers do not communicate about the game with players; the closest TS has come to mentioning it is redirect 5/03. I believe TIAI is a kind of user manual for us, a faith builder, the indispensable handbook to the hoax, or the "production". It makes me wonder how many others out there have skipped this vital "sign". In my opinion, it's the lifeblood, the heartbeat of the hoax. To not utilize the information TS has given is like trying to assemble a puzzle without having the picture on the box. I also think TS has ways of making us think, of getting us to review what we do believe, and to express our ideas, beliefs, and opinions. ;)
Yes I agree. I don't understand how some can believe this is a hoax but yet don't believe that at least one of the "informants" is real. It kind of goes with the territory doesn't it?
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Coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous.
( said Einstein )
You can try to calculate everything but still there is that thing called coincedence..Things that just happen.
It is human nature to be curious and we all like to get some answers.
If you like to play with numbers this is a good site.
http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-si ... maths.html (http://www.maths.surrey.ac.uk/hosted-sites/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fibmaths.html)
Even nature is painted by numbers
[youtube:2istb76l]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkGeOWYOFoA[/youtube:2istb76l]
Nice huh?
(I think its wonderfull :mrgreen:)
But...Does it give all the answers?
Can we calculate our lives?
You can manipulate it a bit but
( starts humming che sera sera
whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours to see..che sera sera)
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family 8-) 8-) 8-) :mrgreen: of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference[/b][/color]! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
THANK YOU :D 8-) YOU NAILED IT :!: I think the hook is a game, to attract people to some serious education and information---mostly about (each and all collectively)ourselves and where we ARE in time and responsibility---and a call to respond, to
DO SOMETHING
(That is a book ;) ) once we all "Make That Change" and are internally fortified and "prepared".
I FEEL this inside ME :!: I KNOW :mrgreen: it, inside myself.
One thing I would add to your thoughts here, is that the more
seriously one takes them selves :roll: ,
the HARDER certain aspects of the ARG ARE :!: (Think: the movie, THE GAME!) :x :o :P
I don't know about anyone else, but I myself, needed to lose some of that ego---if I am to be remotely fit to be useful when (/IF---still hoping :oops: ;) to divert chaos) the crap hits the fan, let alone how helpful I could have been by NOW, had I stayed watchful... :( :roll: ... :idea: It is almost as if MJ and his ARG are the catalysts to the Great Shaking, which is to happen in the end times, except for the fact that not NEARLY enough people are engaged yet :( :roll: ...
Man! I know wisdom when I see it! Your post is both calming and inspiring :mrgreen: Thank you for "actively participating" and not sitting this one out!!!!!! ;)
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I re-read TIAI Revealed part 7. viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572)
This caught my eye:
R39. Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
{http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251494/photo.jhtml}
This clue was one of the still shots, from the TII trailer; specifically, an army of soldiers, with an “M” in the center of the background (Michael’s army). Take a look at a close up picture of the soldiers, and you will see that they are not carrying guns or weapons { http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacks ... hoto.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251493/photo.jhtml) }. This is because it’s an Army of L.O.V.E., not an army of violence.
Im_convincedmjalive, I hope you don't mind that I'm quoting just a section of your post to highlight TS words about the "M" behind Michael's army in TII. In another thread I referred to the "M" and someone said that it's a "P1". It may also look like a "P1" but if TS says its an "M" - its an "M"! Zooming in on the TII DVD I can see a definite point inside the arch - looks a bit like a face (disclaimer: that may just be my imagination!).
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27&start=650#p17100
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/love_0928.jpg)
I might need glasses but I see a P1.
P1 - period #1 - era #1 after point zero.
L.O.V.E.
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
I agree with you, Emerald! I've said time and time again that I am a different person than I was before Michael 'died'. Even if this ISN'T a hoax, it doesn't change the things I've learned and the different being I've become. But, this is a hoax, lol. And the ARG concept is one that I keep going back to. I really think we all being tested. This thing has opened up our eyes, changed our thought process, and awakened us all in imensely different but equally profound ways. Even if there aren't many of us, think about what we have already done and what we can do in the future. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=27&start=650#p17100
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/love_0928.jpg)
I might need glasses but I see a P1.
P1 - period #1 - era #1 after point zero.
L.O.V.E.
I am way more basic, I see *MO* when looking at that pic :lol:
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This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
I hope those 2 sentences are related to the doubles theory :?
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
I agree with you, Emerald! I've said time and time again that I am a different person than I was before Michael 'died'. Even if this ISN'T a hoax, it doesn't change the things I've learned and the different being I've become. But, this is a hoax, lol. And the ARG concept is one that I keep going back to. I really think we all being tested. This thing has opened up our eyes, changed our thought process, and awakened us all in imensely different but equally profound ways. Even if there aren't many of us, think about what we have already done and what we can do in the future. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
I'm with both of you! ARG, Hoax,...or whatever you want to call this,this has changed my life in a big way and for that, I am extremely grateful! This whole experience has had so many "life lessons" for me and I finally know what my purpose here on Earth is. For those of us who have figured out what Michael's "Message" is really all about, we know that the time will come when it will be up to "us" to help all the "others" understand. This really is all about "L.O.V.E" and "Educating" ourselves... For my husband and I, this has been a true "Blessing".
Everyone here has had their own "unique" journey, that is true, but at the very soul of our being, we have ALL been connected by a "Common Bond"...L.O.V.E!
Sending you Love and Blessings always!
Michael, you know I love you most..."Heart" To "Heart"...Always and Forever! <3 :)
Dayna
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Whenever I see divisive posts like this a red light goes off in my brain and I think to myself "ARG" (Alternate Reality Game). It would explain a heck of a lot if we knew for sure we were a part of one. We'd understand why there needed to be the "hecklers" and those who seem hell-bent on causing drama and conflict throughout the various threads. ARGs are used for a variety of purposes. Perhaps in this case it is to bring out our "true colours" when under pressure or feeling frustrated by the length of the hoax (just as an example). And also as a means of educating us in a myriad of subjects we possibly would not have stumbled upon in the normal course of our day to day lives. Whether this is an ARG or not, I think we are learning a lot about human nature by taking part in this forum - whether as active participants or as those who prefer to read and absorb in private. We are certainly a very "colourful" family of believers ... each of us unique and distinct in our own way. Vive le difference! as the saying goes :) Love & peace to you all, emerald
I agree with you, Emerald! I've said time and time again that I am a different person than I was before Michael 'died'. Even if this ISN'T a hoax, it doesn't change the things I've learned and the different being I've become. But, this is a hoax, lol. And the ARG concept is one that I keep going back to. I really think we all being tested. This thing has opened up our eyes, changed our thought process, and awakened us all in imensely different but equally profound ways. Even if there aren't many of us, think about what we have already done and what we can do in the future. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes...
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
I'm with both of you! ARG, Hoax,...or whatever you want to call this,this has changed my life in a big way and for that, I am extremely grateful! This whole experience has had so many "life lessons" for me and I finally know what my purpose here on Earth is. For those of us who have figured out what Michael's "Message" is really all about, we know that the time will come when it will be up to "us" to help all the "others" understand. This really is all about "L.O.V.E" and "Educating" ourselves... For my husband and I, this has been a true "Blessing".
Everyone here has had their own "unique" journey, that is true, but at the very soul of our being, we have ALL been connected by a "Common Bond"...L.O.V.E!
Sending you Love and Blessings always!
<3 :)Michael, you know I love you most..."Heart" To "Heart"...Always and Forever!
Dayna
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<3 :)Michael, you know I love you most..."MIND" TO "MIND"...Always and Forever!
Dayna[/quote]
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New Tweet: "Study the past if you would define the future."
This is a saying by Confucius and simply means that history repeats itself.
If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
~ George Bernard Shaw
Social Cycle Theory
Social cycle theories are among the earliest social theories in sociology. Unlike the theory of social evolutionism, which views the evolution of society and human history as progressing in some new, unique direction(s), sociological cycle theory argues that events and stages of society and history are generally repeating themselves in cycles. Such a theory does not necessarily imply that there cannot be any social progress.
Law of Social Cycle
Law of Social Cycle, also known as the Social Cycle Theory, is a theory of human historical motivity based on "the ancient spiritual ideas of the Vedas". The theory was propounded by the Indian philosopher and spiritual leader Prabhat Rainjan Sarkar in the 1950s and expanded by Ravi Batra since the 1970s, Johan Galtung and Sohail Inayatullah since the 1990s and others
Four Types of People
The Law of Social Cycles is a theory of Varna, arising out of the Indian episteme (Inayatullah, 2002). This law states that while people in any society are all relatively similar, they have generally the same goals, desires and ambitions but differ in the way they go about achieving their goals. An individual's specific methods for achieving success depend on his physical and psychological makeup. Essentially, there are four different psychological types of people, warriors, intellectuals, acquisitors and labourers, who find basic fulfillment in four different kinds of ways.
Warriors
Warriors, or Kshatriya in Sanskrit, have strong bodies, vigorous physical energy and a sharp intellect. Warriors tend to develop the skills that take advantage of their inherent gifts of stamina, courage and vigor. Their mentality is one that is not averse to taking physical risks. Examples of people in our society with the warrior mentality include: policemen, firemen, soldiers, professional athletes, skilled carpenters and tradesmen, etc. They all achieve success through their physical skills and a deep understanding of their profession.
Intellectuals
Intellectuals, or Vipra, have a more developed intellect than the warriors, but generally lack the physical strength and vigor. Intellectuals are happiest when they try to achieve success by developing and expressing their intellectual skills and talents. Examples would be: Teachers, writers, professors, scientists, artists, musicians, philosophers, doctors and lawyers, and above all, priests.
Acquisitors
Acquisitors, or Vaishya, have a penchant for acquiring money. If money can be made the acquisitors will find a way to make it. They are not considered as bright as the intellectuals, nor as strong as the warriors, but they are keen when it comes to making and accumulating money and material possessions. Such people are the traders, businessmen, managers, entrepreneurs, bankers, brokers, and landlords in our society.
Laborers
Laborers, or Shudra, are altogether different from the first three groups. Laborers lack the energy and vigor of the warriors, the keen intellect of the intellectuals, or the ambition and drive of the accumulators. In spite of the fact that their contribution to society is profound - in fact, society could not function without them - the other groups generally look down upon and tend to exploit them. The laborers are the peasants, serfs, clerks, short order cooks, waiters, janitors, doormen, cabdrivers, garbage collectors, truck drivers, night watchmen and factory workers who keep society running smoothly by working diligently and without complaint.
Groups of each type of people make up the social classes in society. Under this theory, classes are divided by their inherent disposition. In a society, the warriors defend the nation and keep the peace; intellectuals develop our ideas about the world, in the form of religion, art, law and new inventions; acquisitors manage the practical aspects of life, including farms, factories, financial institutions and stores. Meanwhile, laborers do the routine work, waiting tables, collecting trash, and other low-tech, low skill jobs. As should be evident, each class contributes something vitally important to society, and society could not function without all the classes working together in harmony. Unfortunately, not all classes are rewarded equally according to their contributions. Furthermore though all exist simultaneously in society, at any given time only one of the four classes is the dominant class and therefore rules society. The laborers, however, never rule, as they lack the inherent ambition of the other three classes of people.
Social cycle theory and modern social development
According to Batra (1978), the West is currently in the age of acquisitors, also known as Capitalism. This age succeeded the 'age of intellectuals', which gave birth to the Enlightenment and the British parliamentary system. Before that the West went through the 'age of warriors' and the age of discovery. Feudalism, an earlier 'age of acquisitors', reigned before that. It had replaced the 'age of intellectuals', with restrictions on religious thought and also gave birth to the Renaissance period. Before that, Rome ruled the West under the aegis of warriors.
Exploitation and breakdown
To Sarkar, each age would run its course, with the social motivity going too far, causing much grief to the majority of people (Sarkar, 1967). The situation could unchecked go on for a long time, before things got so bad that a spontaneous revolution and overthrow of the system took place. In fact, as this was the reason for social change, it was clear that no single class of people could remain dominant indefinitely. Social power was destined to pass from one class to next in the prescribed order, or cycle. The 'age of warriors', which brings strict order to society and a return to fundamental values, essentially leads to excessive focus on strong man rule and warfare. It is followed by an 'age of intellectuals', which bring a sense of liberation in the mental sphere but soon replace that freedom with the yoke of newer ideas. Over time this age merges into an 'age of acquisitors', which brings progress in the material sphere, but this is soon replaced by increased physical and mental exploitation. The Servile Wars spelled the doom of the Roman Republic. Labour conflict could be the undoing of Capitalism, according to this theory. And so the cycle moves on its endless round, until the civilisation ceases to exist or is taken over by a superior or more powerful civilisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Social_Cycle
I have had a thought in my head for a while about this whole "hoax" and the ELEMENT of it being a ARG. I had ran across this website while researching (Nine Inch Nails, ARG, Trent Reznor) The case STUDY is at this link: http://www.42entertainment.com/yearzero/ (http://www.42entertainment.com/yearzero/)
That website is "CHILLING TO THE BONE" from the first page, the narrative is spooky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
Definition and terms of ARG in case anyone doesn't know what it is, WE'RE In a ARG so much so it is eery when I went to the 42entertainment website and read the page names.
This "hoax" is the Biggest Case Study on Human Behaviour...
We are Lab RATS being WATCHED and Scrutinized, LOL it is hilarious to think about.
I am so okay with being a lab RAT for a GOOD cause and thanks to Michael I have had the best TIME of my LIFE. I have learned so much. I read this forum and I am educated beyond what a school could teach me. I have learned about love and tolerance. Patience and trust... I have read some soap opera and some comic tales and lmao.
This experience is TRUELY a Michael Jackson experience. No need for a video game to come out we are in it now.
I am grateful for this opportunity to live through this.
Thank You Michael.
Peace
I pulled my comment from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236117#p236117 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236117#p236117)
I didn't quote those on this thread who had a similiar thought because it would make this already long enough post even longer, lol.
The website 42entertainment with the case STUDY is unbelievable at how REAL it is in correlation to Michael's hoax and what we are doing and experiencing. I believe it was a start (a beg.) of a snow ball effect and we are in the middle of that snowball cont. on with what Trent Reznor began in 2007...as far as the ARG.
Those after us and later in the future will cont. this snowball.
That website is definetly worth checking out.
Peace
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I re-read TIAI Revealed part 7. viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1930&p=27572#p27572)
This caught my eye:
R39. Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
{http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251494/photo.jhtml}
This clue was one of the still shots, from the TII trailer; specifically, an army of soldiers, with an “M” in the center of the background (Michael’s army). Take a look at a close up picture of the soldiers, and you will see that they are not carrying guns or weapons { http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacks ... hoto.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/photos/michael-jacksons-this-is-it-trailer-frames/1621244/4251493/photo.jhtml) }. This is because it’s an Army of L.O.V.E., not an army of violence.
Im_convincedmjalive, I hope you don't mind that I'm quoting just a section of your post to highlight TS words about the "M" behind Michael's army in TII. In another thread I referred to the "M" and someone said that it's a "P1". It may also look like a "P1" but if TS says its an "M" - its an "M"! Zooming in on the TII DVD I can see a definite point inside the arch - looks a bit like a face (disclaimer: that may just be my imagination!).
No problem ;)
And I do see both: a P1 and M.
Logically it would be an M because this is Michael's Army of L.O.V.E. not a P1 army.
What does the P1 stand for?
Here is what is most likely happening with the M/P1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-Duck_Illusion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit-Duck_Illusion)
Explanation of cognitive illusions
Perceptual organization
Duck-Rabbit illusion
To make sense of the world it is necessary to organize incoming sensations into information which is meaningful. Gestalt psychologists believe one way this is done is by perceiving individual sensory stimuli as a meaningful whole. Gestalt organization can be used to explain many illusions including the Duck-Rabbit illusion where the image as a whole switches back and forth from being a duck then being a rabbit and why in the figure-ground illusion the figure and ground are reversible.
In addition, Gestalt theory can be used to explain the illusory contours in the Kanizsa Triangle. A floating white triangle, which does not exist, is seen. The brain has a need to see familiar simple objects and has a tendency to create a "whole" image from individual elements. Gestalt means "form" or "shape" in German. However, another explanation of the Kanizsa Triangle is based in evolutionary psychology and the fact that in order to survive it was important to see form and edges. The use of perceptual organization to create meaning out of stimuli is the principle behind other well-known illusions including impossible objects. Our brain makes sense of shapes and symbols putting them together like a jigsaw puzzle, formulating that which isn't there to that which is believable.
Have a LOOK at the link above and the pictures.
Here is a nother theory.
Quote pulled from this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236631#p236631 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236631#p236631)
I like this:
We often have complete certainty about what we see, hear or perceive in any way: no one would change his mind because "we've seen with our own eyes," or because "we have heard very clearly." But our perception of things sometimes deceive us: a thing may be another depending on how you like the look or hear.
The experiment is:
Listen and watch this video and check out what it says. Listen well and remember what you heard.
[youtube:1oc7d6m7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQoYKuNcCpU[/youtube:1oc7d6m7]
Then again, hear the video but with eyes closed or staring at another site other than the screen.
You hear the same?
We should not be so sure that we are right. Doubt always around.
This effect is called McGurk effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect
Nice video to prove a very good point, ;)
Not sure what anyone else heard, but for me watching and listening very closely, paying attention to detail, I heard baa baa baa baa.
Not sure if that's correctly spelled but, same thing with eyes closed baa baa baa baa!
Use the senses all of them even intuition...
:mrgreen:
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Peace
:mrgreen:
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I think it is also worthwhile to keep in mind that TS may be occasionally misleading us gently.
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Regarding the "ARG (Alternate Reality Game) TiAI the day April 16 redirects to that topic. ;)
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8782 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8782)
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I think it is also worthwhile to keep in mind that TS may be occasionally misleading us gently.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :lol:
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He is just keeping "us" busy :lol:
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I think it is also worthwhile to keep in mind that TS may be occasionally misleading us gently.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! :lol:
I said gently lol.
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Regarding the "ARG (Alternate Reality Game) TiAI the day April 16 redirects to that topic. ;)
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8782 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8782)
Thanks, paula-c, I missed that one! ;)
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I think it is also worthwhile to keep in mind that TS may be occasionally misleading us gently.
I think that may be true. We seem to keep running into tests of faith here and on other threads...
Whether God-made or TS-made, they are providing good training for the A.O.L. In my opinion, we must have a strategy, a plan in place for the coming events. I think TS has a real concern about us being prepared and is helping us in every way he can to get there, whether it is using other mediums of communication or maybe even aliases on the forum...
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Hi All,
I have been away since this post from TS so for time sake, I have read the last few pages to see what I could make of things while I have been away. Can someone tell me what this ARG has to do with Michael's mission of world awakening and his return to lead this Army in Spiritual warfare? Which I believe is what he has been working for most of his adult life.
Is someone saying we have been played about what TS has posted? Or the whole thing with Michael being gone? I could go back and start from the beginning are read everything that has been posted but I think I would still have questions. Any help in understanding this would be greatly appreciated.
Always L.O.V.E.
Victoria
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it's a bit depressing that TS won't post anymore.......until update 7, which we don't know when to expect. If we're wrong, maybe it will never come.
I know I sound depressing but time is passing and I don't even dare to say BAM anymore...
What if Michael will never be given the opportunity to come back ? Maybe it's not everything up to him :cry:
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Hi All,
I have been away since this post from TS so for time sake, I have read the last few pages to see what I could make of things while I have been away. Can someone tell me what this ARG has to do with Michael's mission of world awakening and his return to lead this Army in Spiritual warfare? Which I believe is what he has been working for most of his adult life.
Is someone saying we have been played about what TS has posted? Or the whole thing with Michael being gone? I could go back and start from the beginning are read everything that has been posted but I think I would still have questions. Any help in understanding this would be greatly appreciated.
Always L.O.V.E.
Victoria
Hi Victoria,
The ARG (Alternate Reality Game) is let's say a means for Michael to convey his message. He is the leader giving us hints and clues leading us where he wants to lead us. The ARG is the Hoax itself in more simple words, it's a "game" but the players are not fictional characters, they are real persons, it's you and me, and the goal is a serious achievement to reach in the end of this ARG. This is all very serious. Hope it helps :)
Is someone saying we have been played about what TS has posted? Or the whole thing with Michael being gone?
What do you mean exactly? Played by whom?
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Hi All,
I have been away since this post from TS so for time sake, I have read the last few pages to see what I could make of things while I have been away. Can someone tell me what this ARG has to do with Michael's mission of world awakening and his return to lead this Army in Spiritual warfare? Which I believe is what he has been working for most of his adult life.
Is someone saying we have been played about what TS has posted? Or the whole thing with Michael being gone? I could go back and start from the beginning are read everything that has been posted but I think I would still have questions. Any help in understanding this would be greatly appreciated.
Always L.O.V.E.
Victoria
Hi Victoria! Here is some information on "Serious ARGS" which you may find interesting:-
"Serious ARGs introduce plausibility as a narrative feature to pull players into the game. People participate to experience, prepare for or shape an alternative life or future.[40] The games thus have the potential to attract casual or non-players, because ’what if’ is a game anyone can play.[41] Serious ARGs may therefore be sponsored by organizations with activist or educational goals; World Without Oil was a joint project of the Public Broadcasting Service's Independent Lens and its Electric Shadows Web-original programming.[42]
Their serious subject matter may lead Serious ARGs to diverge from mainstream ARGs in design. Instead of challenging collective intelligence to solve a gamemastered puzzle, World Without Oil’s puppetmasters acted as players to guide the “collective imagination” to create a multi-authored chronicle of the alternative future, purportedly as it was happening.[43] By asking players to chronicle their lives in the oil-shocked alternative reality, the WWO game relinquished narrative control to players to a degree not seen before in an ARG.[44]
In October 2008 The British Red Cross created a serious ARG called Traces of Hope to promote their campaign about civilians caught up in conflict."[45] ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
Now I have no proof that we are involved in an ARG, serious or otherwise, but I think if we are then it would be for the purpose of educating us and preparing us for Michael's mission for the future and our role in Michael's Army of L.O.V.E.
Love & Peace to everyone, emerald xo
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Another one ;)
[youtube:swdi7dbf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_ZJkwvKR8[/youtube:swdi7dbf]
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Hi All,
I have been away since this post from TS so for time sake, I have read the last few pages to see what I could make of things while I have been away. Can someone tell me what this ARG has to do with Michael's mission of world awakening and his return to lead this Army in Spiritual warfare? Which I believe is what he has been working for most of his adult life.
Is someone saying we have been played about what TS has posted? Or the whole thing with Michael being gone? I could go back and start from the beginning are read everything that has been posted but I think I would still have questions. Any help in understanding this would be greatly appreciated.
Always L.O.V.E.
Victoria
Hi,
I am not sure if you had the opportunity to view this post below especially the 42entertainment website with The Case STUDY. It explains the necessary lessons being taught through the means of interactive participants. That Case STUDY had 3 million participants worldwide creating ART, giving voices to Men and Women in war zones. A whole society came together from every part of the GLOBE. That is AMAZING.
It is functional and the fastest way to get a message out there. With the type of message and warnings Mike has told us about, NWO, Illuminati, etc. if there was NO break ( hoax investigating like a game of clue ) and laughter we would freak and never be able to process that info.
This is a nonthreatening way to expose the Crooks. It softens the blow.
New Tweet: "Study the past if you would define the future."
This is a saying by Confucius and simply means that history repeats itself.
If history repeats itself, and the unexpected always happens, how incapable must Man be of learning from experience.
~ George Bernard Shaw
Social Cycle Theory
Social cycle theories are among the earliest social theories in sociology. Unlike the theory of social evolutionism, which views the evolution of society and human history as progressing in some new, unique direction(s), sociological cycle theory argues that events and stages of society and history are generally repeating themselves in cycles. Such a theory does not necessarily imply that there cannot be any social progress.
Law of Social Cycle
Law of Social Cycle, also known as the Social Cycle Theory, is a theory of human historical motivity based on "the ancient spiritual ideas of the Vedas". The theory was propounded by the Indian philosopher and spiritual leader Prabhat Rainjan Sarkar in the 1950s and expanded by Ravi Batra since the 1970s, Johan Galtung and Sohail Inayatullah since the 1990s and others
Four Types of People
The Law of Social Cycles is a theory of Varna, arising out of the Indian episteme (Inayatullah, 2002). This law states that while people in any society are all relatively similar, they have generally the same goals, desires and ambitions but differ in the way they go about achieving their goals. An individual's specific methods for achieving success depend on his physical and psychological makeup. Essentially, there are four different psychological types of people, warriors, intellectuals, acquisitors and labourers, who find basic fulfillment in four different kinds of ways.
Warriors
Warriors, or Kshatriya in Sanskrit, have strong bodies, vigorous physical energy and a sharp intellect. Warriors tend to develop the skills that take advantage of their inherent gifts of stamina, courage and vigor. Their mentality is one that is not averse to taking physical risks. Examples of people in our society with the warrior mentality include: policemen, firemen, soldiers, professional athletes, skilled carpenters and tradesmen, etc. They all achieve success through their physical skills and a deep understanding of their profession.
Intellectuals
Intellectuals, or Vipra, have a more developed intellect than the warriors, but generally lack the physical strength and vigor. Intellectuals are happiest when they try to achieve success by developing and expressing their intellectual skills and talents. Examples would be: Teachers, writers, professors, scientists, artists, musicians, philosophers, doctors and lawyers, and above all, priests.
Acquisitors
Acquisitors, or Vaishya, have a penchant for acquiring money. If money can be made the acquisitors will find a way to make it. They are not considered as bright as the intellectuals, nor as strong as the warriors, but they are keen when it comes to making and accumulating money and material possessions. Such people are the traders, businessmen, managers, entrepreneurs, bankers, brokers, and landlords in our society.
Laborers
Laborers, or Shudra, are altogether different from the first three groups. Laborers lack the energy and vigor of the warriors, the keen intellect of the intellectuals, or the ambition and drive of the accumulators. In spite of the fact that their contribution to society is profound - in fact, society could not function without them - the other groups generally look down upon and tend to exploit them. The laborers are the peasants, serfs, clerks, short order cooks, waiters, janitors, doormen, cabdrivers, garbage collectors, truck drivers, night watchmen and factory workers who keep society running smoothly by working diligently and without complaint.
Groups of each type of people make up the social classes in society. Under this theory, classes are divided by their inherent disposition. In a society, the warriors defend the nation and keep the peace; intellectuals develop our ideas about the world, in the form of religion, art, law and new inventions; acquisitors manage the practical aspects of life, including farms, factories, financial institutions and stores. Meanwhile, laborers do the routine work, waiting tables, collecting trash, and other low-tech, low skill jobs. As should be evident, each class contributes something vitally important to society, and society could not function without all the classes working together in harmony. Unfortunately, not all classes are rewarded equally according to their contributions. Furthermore though all exist simultaneously in society, at any given time only one of the four classes is the dominant class and therefore rules society. The laborers, however, never rule, as they lack the inherent ambition of the other three classes of people.
Social cycle theory and modern social development
According to Batra (1978), the West is currently in the age of acquisitors, also known as Capitalism. This age succeeded the 'age of intellectuals', which gave birth to the Enlightenment and the British parliamentary system. Before that the West went through the 'age of warriors' and the age of discovery. Feudalism, an earlier 'age of acquisitors', reigned before that. It had replaced the 'age of intellectuals', with restrictions on religious thought and also gave birth to the Renaissance period. Before that, Rome ruled the West under the aegis of warriors.
Exploitation and breakdown
To Sarkar, each age would run its course, with the social motivity going too far, causing much grief to the majority of people (Sarkar, 1967). The situation could unchecked go on for a long time, before things got so bad that a spontaneous revolution and overthrow of the system took place. In fact, as this was the reason for social change, it was clear that no single class of people could remain dominant indefinitely. Social power was destined to pass from one class to next in the prescribed order, or cycle. The 'age of warriors', which brings strict order to society and a return to fundamental values, essentially leads to excessive focus on strong man rule and warfare. It is followed by an 'age of intellectuals', which bring a sense of liberation in the mental sphere but soon replace that freedom with the yoke of newer ideas. Over time this age merges into an 'age of acquisitors', which brings progress in the material sphere, but this is soon replaced by increased physical and mental exploitation. The Servile Wars spelled the doom of the Roman Republic. Labour conflict could be the undoing of Capitalism, according to this theory. And so the cycle moves on its endless round, until the civilisation ceases to exist or is taken over by a superior or more powerful civilisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Social_Cycle
I have had a thought in my head for a while about this whole "hoax" and the ELEMENT of it being a ARG. I had ran across this website while researching (Nine Inch Nails, ARG, Trent Reznor) The case STUDY is at this link: http://www.42entertainment.com/yearzero/ (http://www.42entertainment.com/yearzero/)
That website is "CHILLING TO THE BONE" from the first page, the narrative is spooky.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game)
Definition and terms of ARG in case anyone doesn't know what it is, WE'RE In a ARG so much so it is eery when I went to the 42entertainment website and read the page names.
This "hoax" is the Biggest Case Study on Human Behaviour...
We are Lab RATS being WATCHED and Scrutinized, LOL it is hilarious to think about.
I am so okay with being a lab RAT for a GOOD cause and thanks to Michael I have had the best TIME of my LIFE. I have learned so much. I read this forum and I am educated beyond what a school could teach me. I have learned about love and tolerance. Patience and trust... I have read some soap opera and some comic tales and lmao.
This experience is TRUELY a Michael Jackson experience. No need for a video game to come out we are in it now.
I am grateful for this opportunity to live through this.
Thank You Michael.
Peace
I pulled my comment from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236117#p236117 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246&p=236117#p236117)
I didn't quote those on this thread who had a similiar thought because it would make this already long enough post even longer, lol.
The website 42entertainment with the case STUDY is unbelievable at how REAL it is in correlation to Michael's hoax and what we are doing and experiencing. I believe it was a start (a beg.) of a snow ball effect and we are in the middle of that snowball cont. on with what Trent Reznor began in 2007...as far as the ARG.
Those after us and later in the future will cont. this snowball.
That website is definetly worth checking out.
Peace
Have a LOOK at that website, it is chilling.
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it's a bit depressing that TS won't post anymore.......until update 7, which we don't know when to expect. If we're wrong, maybe it will never come.
I know I sound depressing but time is passing and I don't even dare to say BAM anymore...
What if Michael will never be given the opportunity to come back ? Maybe it's not everything up to him :cry:
Well considering TS gave us homework and only Souza and I have done it (and I only did because Souza reminded me about it), I'd say most have work to do before we see TS again ;)
Now, everyone go write a coherent theory!
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Thank you all for the imput. I think I have a clear picture of what is being said and done. But even before I asked this question I have been doing some home work. This first thing that I really feel should be understood is the Illuminati, or should I say the thirteen families. I have seen many label it as a society. It is not a social club that one can belong to. It is a linage that one is born into, and the linage goes back to post flood days. This hybrid race has kept the blood line in tact throughout the centuries. They ARE the Illuminati...which means enlightened ones. After reviewing the links below it will give a better understanding.
The Grail code is a massive online document with many links to various pieces of information. I have not been able to read in it's entireity, but a friend has done so, and says there are links that reference Michael and what these entities tried to pull him into. They were at the foundation of all of the persection that Michael faced, and they are what Michael is trying to awaken us to. In the end our only hope is LOVE and Salvation and to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died for our sins and rose again on the third day to sit at the Fathers right hand, and all we have to do to have salvation is to BELIEVE on his finished work at the cross and that he conquered death and the grave. Then we will understand that we are the Righteousness of God in Christ and that God is the only one that can fight Satan. We have no control in the physical, because it is spiritual warfare.
But as God told King Jehosphat, this is not your battle but mine. Gather your army and go down and stand in place and see the salvation of the Lord. God sent confusion among the enemy soliders and they turned on one another and destroyed their own army. This is found in 2Chronicals 20
I have included several links below from the homework I have been doing. And if we are talking ARG's these would be the univeral masters of such. I know that Michael had to have read and done the research on this topic. He knew about Princess Diana! That is why he told Barbara Walters the he prayed "Don't let me be next.
Michael sweetheart IF you DO read these posts, well I want you to know that I DO understand what you were and are up against. And I know the seriousness of it all, and I pray many times througout the day for your guidance and strength. It will take this Army of Love to defeat Satan, but WE WILL be victorious, and we will be right beside you all the way until Jesus returns. I LOVE You more..and We will live forever!!!
God Bless everyone, you all are in my prayers..LOVE Eternal...Victoria
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... SXIG_rAUaM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/0/5SXIG_rAUaM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... U0lASTU9SI (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/1/9U0lASTU9SI)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... 3bJyjBj1NM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/2/s3bJyjBj1NM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... ZBIDwThTvY (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/3/vZBIDwThTvY)
http://www.grailcode.net/ (http://www.grailcode.net/)
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/ ... P2nz6PG8KM (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/774F845CBA265142/4/jP2nz6PG8KM)
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I don't know where is the right place to discuss this.
I just saw the number the 911call was made from was 909 273 4846
9+9+2+7+3+4+8+4+6 = ..... guess what ..... 52 = 7 :lol:
I can't believe this :lol:
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it's a bit depressing that TS won't post anymore.......until update 7, which we don't know when to expect. If we're wrong, maybe it will never come.
I know I sound depressing but time is passing and I don't even dare to say BAM anymore...
What if Michael will never be given the opportunity to come back ? Maybe it's not everything up to him :cry:
TS mentioned that we should probably not expect any new updates/redirects until there are significant developments in the Eliza and/or Murray court cases. There has been a delay in the Eliza case (and the latest 'news' about Murray's case is that it will supposedly be held in 2012?). But, TS didn't say we'd have to wait until the end of either court case; rather, he mentioned 'signficant developments'....perhaps we'll be hearing some info on these cases soon (hopefully).
In regards to the delay in Eliza's case, does anyone know of the next court date scheduled or if there even is one at this point? I've checked her website and there is mention of the delay (dated Sept 12), but no mention of any future court dates. You can see the posting here: http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12.
Aside from wondering if anyone knows when the next court date is...I also came across something that has me confused (maybe someone can explain it). In the posting about the delay on Eliza's website, the following is written:
"After Eliza's response is filed with the court, I'll have a more detailed analysis.
But here's a preview: this lawyer filed his response on behalf of "the named defendant."
Normally, a lawyer who represents someone in a case states explicitly whom he or she is acting on behalf of. There normally is no doubt who exactly hired the attorney.
In this filing, however, throughout the 20-pages submitted, Lisa Marie-Presley Lockwood is never mentioned, even once, by this lawyer. He never even refers to her by name.
It's odd. And it may lead to a very interesting twist to this case. Stay tuned."
When you go to the Docket Report for the case file, though, the following is written:
http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696&begin_date=&end_date=
Case Description
Case ID: CH-09-1696 - ELIZA A PRESLEY V LISA MARIE PRESLEY LOCKWOOD -Non-jury Trial
Filing Date: Friday , August 14th, 2009
Type: PT - Petition for Paternity
Status: INITIAL - Initial case filing
Is this an official document? Does this mean that LMP is now contesting the petition?
With L.O.V.E. always.
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He is just keeping "us" busy :lol:
i'd like to know who he really is..... and,gema,u'r right,he's keeping us busy!! i hope he is really involved in this hoax...... :?
*LUNA*
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I certainly hope that Michael's return is not totally dependant on the proof of Elivs being alive AND Murray's trial conviction or innocents. We could be waiting a very long time. :cry:
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Another one ;)
[youtube:132892wc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_ZJkwvKR8[/youtube:132892wc]
This would seem to me like a totaly diversion from what is going on in the world. To definately take our attention off of what Satan is doing in the world to try a create deception and dellusion so that we are taken unaware of the reality and to take our eyes off of Christ. The bible says a sprit of strong dellision will come upon the land and the people would believe a lie and be damned. This reminds me of what LaToya said...This is going on here on one side and on the other side something else is going on.
I seriously doubt Michael would be part of such dillusion and confusion. This is totally messing with peoples feelings and emotions. Something that Satan himself would orchestrate NOT Michael
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I know this is totally off the wall out there, but this thought just crossed my mind about delays, so I thought ahh I'll just post it. When Daniel in the Bible was praying for understanding, an angel came to him and explained the delay in answer: Daniel 10:11-14. Funny he was delayed 21 days - 7+7+7 because of resistance, the Prince of Persia (movie 8-) )no less.
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
We don't know if MJ's bam is delayed of his own choosing, or someone else resisting him, or court details and sluggishness that MJ's not in control of. Maybe he knew all along it would be way in the future, and is only gently leading us along because he knows we tire easily and need constant encouragement and proddings. Afterall MJ been carrying out his life and plan for many years, but for us we've suddenly put our lives on hold so-to-speak from June 25,09 to BAM.
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I know this is totally off the wall out there, but this thought just crossed my mind about delays, so I thought ahh I'll just post it. When Daniel in the Bible was praying for understanding, an angel came to him and explained the delay in answer: Daniel 10:11-14. Funny he was delayed 21 days - 7+7+7 because of resistance, the Prince of Persia (movie 8-) )no less.
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
We don't know if MJ's bam is delayed of his own choosing, or someone else resisting him, or court details and sluggishness that MJ's not in control of. Maybe he knew all along it would be way in the future, and is only gently leading us along because he knows we tire easily and need constant encouragement and proddings. Afterall MJ been carrying out his life and plan for many years, but for us we've suddenly put our lives on hold so-to-speak from June 25,09 to BAM.
and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come
Not out there at all MJonmind.
I also was thinking about how Michael has a 30 plus year of study "advantage" over us on ALL this SECRET Knowledge that he has been studying all his life.
It is overwhelming sometimes to play a 30 plus year catchup to Michael.
Whew...
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I know this is totally off the wall out there, but this thought just crossed my mind about delays, so I thought ahh I'll just post it. When Daniel in the Bible was praying for understanding, an angel came to him and explained the delay in answer: Daniel 10:11-14. Funny he was delayed 21 days - 7+7+7 because of resistance, the Prince of Persia (movie 8-) )no less.
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
We don't know if MJ's bam is delayed of his own choosing, or someone else resisting him, or court details and sluggishness that MJ's not in control of. Maybe he knew all along it would be way in the future, and is only gently leading us along because he knows we tire easily and need constant encouragement and proddings. Afterall MJ been carrying out his life and plan for many years, but for us we've suddenly put our lives on hold so-to-speak from June 25,09 to BAM.
and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come
Not out there at all MJonmind.
I also was thinking about how Michael has a 30 plus year of study "advantage" over us on ALL this SECRET Knowledge that he has been studying all his life.
It is overwhelming sometimes to play a 30 plus year catchup to Michael.
Whew...
I think the book of Daniel has huge reference to our precious Michael and what his life long purpose has evolved into. Michael reads his bible every day, and I am certain he studied the secrets of the prophets. And the interpretations of the end time. His delay has no reason other than what is between him and God's purpose for him and this world
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Another one ;)
[youtube:2oqa4gvw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_ZJkwvKR8[/youtube:2oqa4gvw]
This would seem to me like a totaly diversion from what is going on in the world. To definately take our attention off of what Satan is doing in the world to try a create deception and dellusion so that we are taken unaware of the reality and to take our eyes off of Christ. The bible says a sprit of strong dellision will come upon the land and the people would believe a lie and be damned. This reminds me of what LaToya said...This is going on here on one side and on the other side something else is going on.
I seriously doubt Michael would be part of such dillusion and confusion. This is totally messing with peoples feelings and emotions. Something that Satan himself would orchestrate NOT Michael
Please, define "Satan". Can be Motolla behind all this? ;)
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Another one ;)
[youtube:2rmvzk42]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_ZJkwvKR8[/youtube:2rmvzk42]
This would seem to me like a totaly diversion from what is going on in the world. To definately take our attention off of what Satan is doing in the world to try a create deception and dellusion so that we are taken unaware of the reality and to take our eyes off of Christ. The bible says a sprit of strong dellision will come upon the land and the people would believe a lie and be damned. This reminds me of what LaToya said...This is going on here on one side and on the other side something else is going on.
I seriously doubt Michael would be part of such dillusion and confusion. This is totally messing with peoples feelings and emotions. Something that Satan himself would orchestrate NOT Michael
Please, define "Satan". Can be Motolla behind all this? ;)
Satan
proper name of the supreme evil spirit in Christianity, O.E. Satan, from L.L. Satan (in Vulgate, in O.T. only), from Gk. Satanas, from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary." In Septuagint (Gk.) usually translated as diabolos "slanderer," lit. "one who throws (something) across" the path of another (see devil), though epiboulos "plotter" is used once.
Once known as Lucifer ..the most beautiful angel in Heaven until he was thrown out for trying to undermine God.
I am not speaking of any one person, I am speaking in the literal sense. We are not fighing flesh and blood here. I don't think a lot people will have that understanding until it comes to life, or shall I say our spiritual eyes are opened. And they will be opened at some point. In this current situation we are in I choose to walk by faith not by sight. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all understanding which includes the spiritual warfare which is greater than the physical. A persons mind can be destroyed with out weapons or ever touching the body. You may want to check out a book called Battle Field of the Mind, by Joyce Myer. It will explain how Satan can defeat us if we don't put on the whole armor of God.
In all things L.O.V.E. Victoria
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Thank you all for the imput. I think I have a clear picture of what is being said and done. But even before I asked this question I have been doing some home work. This first thing that I really feel should be understood is the Illuminati, or should I say the thirteen families. I have seen many label it as a society. It is not a social club that one can belong to. It is a linage that one is born into, and the linage goes back to post flood days. This hybrid race has kept the blood line in tact throughout the centuries. They ARE the Illuminati...which means enlightened ones. After reviewing the links below it will give a better understanding.
The Grail code is a massive online document with many links to various pieces of information. I have not been able to read in it's entireity, but a friend has done so, and says there are links that reference Michael and what these entities tried to pull him into. They were at the foundation of all of the persection that Michael faced, and they are what Michael is trying to awaken us to. In the end our only hope is LOVE and Salvation and to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died for our sins and rose again on the third day to sit at the Fathers right hand, and all we have to do to have salvation is to BELIEVE on his finished work at the cross and that he conquered death and the grave. Then we will understand that we are the Righteousness of God in Christ and that God is the only one that can fight Satan. We have no control in the physical, because it is spiritual warfare.
Amen. Good post Victoria. Thank you for this information & the links below; I will watch them asap.
You and I have crossed paths on this thing about the Nephilim before...as the days of Noah were...hmmmm.
They are truly Demonic.
BTW Did you know 777 = Christ?
http://www.spiritcommunity.com/dreams/b ... rs_ref.php (http://www.spiritcommunity.com/dreams/bible_numbers_ref.php)
This can be seen on Micheal's armband in the HIStory video. And after all, isn't the Bible really HIS story? ie. God's L.O.V.E. letter to us & the world? Back to the Ark & 777 again... Christ is our ARK, High Priest & Mercy Seat. :D
Seven - THE NUMBER OF SPIRITUAL PERFECTION. Seven days in a week. Seven colors in the spectrum. Seven of the 10 commandments begin with the word "not." There are 7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 parables in Matthew, and 7 promises to the churches. There are 7 "eternal s" in Hebrews which are: A priest for ever (1:6); Eternal salvation (1:9); Eternal judgment (6:2); eternal redemption (9:12); eternal spirit (9:14); eternal inheritance (9:15); and everlasting covenant (13:20). Jesus said 7 things on the cross: 1) Luke 23:34 "Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots; 2) Luke 23:43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise"; 3) Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" -- which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"; 4) John 19:26 "When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to his mother, "Dear woman, here is your son"; 5) John 19:28 "Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." 6) John 19:30 "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit"; and 7) Luke 23:46 "Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last." "Hallelujah" occurs 28 times or 4 x 7. "Hosanna" occurs 7 times. "Milk" occurs 49 times or 7 x 7. "Abaddon" occurs 7 times. "After the order of Melchizedek" occurs 7 times. In the Hebrew, seven ([b'v, - Sheh'-bah) is from a root word meaning to be complete or full. This can be clearly seen from the first time a varient of this word is used in the Bible.
Love to you Victoria
But as God told King Jehosphat, this is not your battle but mine. Gather your army and go down and stand in place and see the salvation of the Lord. God sent confusion among the enemy soliders and they turned on one another and destroyed their own army. This is found in 2Chronicals 20
I have included several links below from the homework I have been doing. And if we are talking ARG's these would be the univeral masters of such. I know that Michael had to have read and done the research on this topic. He knew about Princess Diana! That is why he told Barbara Walters the he prayed "Don't let me be next.
Michael sweetheart IF you DO read these posts, well I want you to know that I DO understand what you were and are up against. And I know the seriousness of it all, and I pray many times througout the day for your guidance and strength. It will take this Army of Love to defeat Satan, but WE WILL be victorious, and we will be right beside you all the way until Jesus returns. I LOVE You more..and We will live forever!!!
God Bless everyone, you all are in my prayers..LOVE Eternal...Victoria
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... SXIG_rAUaM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/0/5SXIG_rAUaM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... U0lASTU9SI (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/1/9U0lASTU9SI)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... 3bJyjBj1NM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/2/s3bJyjBj1NM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... ZBIDwThTvY (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/3/vZBIDwThTvY)
http://www.grailcode.net/ (http://www.grailcode.net/)
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/ ... P2nz6PG8KM (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/774F845CBA265142/4/jP2nz6PG8KM)
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BeTheChange, I think Lisa Marie is listed as defendant :mrgreen:
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
TS = The Sign
I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
Yes, Awareness & Higer Consciousness. Did you notice the Ankhu symbol in the video? It is an ancient symbol of immortality and the potential for everlasting life, Faith. If we would only "Open Our Eyes, and "See The Light"
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
TS = The Sign
I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
Yes, Awareness & Higer Consciousness. Did you notice the Ankhu symbol in the video? It is an ancient symbol of immortality and the potential for everlasting life, Faith. If we would only "Open Our Eyes, and "See The Light"
Yes Jackie, I saw the ankh and I know what it means. I have 11 videos on youtube about Michael, Egypt, religion and the stars (and I am currently working on parts 12 & 13). I live, dream and breathe the Egyptian connections. ;)
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He is just keeping "us" busy :lol:
i'd like to know who he really is..... and,gema,u'r right,he's keeping us busy!! i hope he is really involved in this hoax...... :?
*LUNA*
Keeping us busy? Sorry guys but with this sentence you're underestimating the big help of TS. Do you rally believe that TS gave us all the information just to keep us busy? Why would he do that? And pls just keep in mind that NOBODY, yes NOBODY could able to find the numerology of this hoax which is the BIGGEST PROOF of the hoax!! Yes I had my own contradictions about TS because of TMZ's posts that I found disrespectful to Michael BUT TS didn't arrange 77 days from the “death” on June 25 to 9-9-09; and 7 days from the “burial” to 9-9-09!!! TS didn't arrange to make the Funeral on a Full Moon, TS didn't arrange to publish TII poster on 9 9 9 or didn't tell Jermaine to make his speech in London on 9 9 9! But TS is the one who showed all of these to us!!! Who do you think arranged all these dates? They could have arranged by only one genius and that is Michael Joe Jackson! And TS showed us all this truth! We all should be appreciated instead of judging TS and blame him with things like "keeping us busy" or "is he involved in the hoax" questions. Nobody could find the information he has given to us! Do Not forget that! I really don't know what else can prove you that TS is an insider because he did his best. He's giving a reward and if you have hesitations about him, just prove that he is wrong. It's that simple.
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
“A coincidence is a small miracle in which God chooses to remain anonymous."
There are no coincidences, everything happens for a reason. :D
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Thank you all for the imput. I think I have a clear picture of what is being said and done. But even before I asked this question I have been doing some home work. This first thing that I really feel should be understood is the Illuminati, or should I say the thirteen families. I have seen many label it as a society. It is not a social club that one can belong to. It is a linage that one is born into, and the linage goes back to post flood days. This hybrid race has kept the blood line in tact throughout the centuries. They ARE the Illuminati...which means enlightened ones. After reviewing the links below it will give a better understanding.
The Grail code is a massive online document with many links to various pieces of information. I have not been able to read in it's entireity, but a friend has done so, and says there are links that reference Michael and what these entities tried to pull him into. They were at the foundation of all of the persection that Michael faced, and they are what Michael is trying to awaken us to. In the end our only hope is LOVE and Salvation and to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he died for our sins and rose again on the third day to sit at the Fathers right hand, and all we have to do to have salvation is to BELIEVE on his finished work at the cross and that he conquered death and the grave. Then we will understand that we are the Righteousness of God in Christ and that God is the only one that can fight Satan. We have no control in the physical, because it is spiritual warfare.
But as God told King Jehosphat, this is not your battle but mine. Gather your army and go down and stand in place and see the salvation of the Lord. God sent confusion among the enemy soliders and they turned on one another and destroyed their own army. This is found in 2Chronicals 20
I have included several links below from the homework I have been doing. And if we are talking ARG's these would be the univeral masters of such. I know that Michael had to have read and done the research on this topic. He knew about Princess Diana! That is why he told Barbara Walters the he prayed "Don't let me be next.
Michael sweetheart IF you DO read these posts, well I want you to know that I DO understand what you were and are up against. And I know the seriousness of it all, and I pray many times througout the day for your guidance and strength. It will take this Army of Love to defeat Satan, but WE WILL be victorious, and we will be right beside you all the way until Jesus returns. I LOVE You more..and We will live forever!!!
God Bless everyone, you all are in my prayers..LOVE Eternal...Victoria
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... SXIG_rAUaM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/0/5SXIG_rAUaM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... U0lASTU9SI (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/1/9U0lASTU9SI)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... 3bJyjBj1NM (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/2/s3bJyjBj1NM)
http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAl ... ZBIDwThTvY (http://www.youtube.com/user/WatchmansAletheia#p/u/3/vZBIDwThTvY)
http://www.grailcode.net/ (http://www.grailcode.net/)
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/ ... P2nz6PG8KM (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl#p/c/774F845CBA265142/4/jP2nz6PG8KM)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=AMP (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021&version=AMP)
Revelation 21 (Amplified Bible)
1 THEN I saw a new sky (heaven) and a new earth, for the former sky and the former earth had passed away (vanished), and there no longer existed any sea.
2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, all arrayed like a bride beautified and adorned for her husband;
3 Then I heard a mighty voice from the throne and I perceived its distinct words, saying, See! The abode of God is with men, and He will live (encamp, tent) among them; and they shall be His people, and God shall personally be with them and be their God.
4 God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.
5 And He Who is seated on the throne said, See! I make all things new. Also He said, Record this, for these sayings are faithful (accurate, incorruptible, and trustworthy) and true (genuine).
6 And He [further] said to me, It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I [Myself] will give water without price from the fountain (springs) of the water of Life.
7 He who is victorious shall inherit all these things, and I will be God to him and he shall be My son.
8 But as for the cowards and the ignoble and the contemptible and the cravenly lacking in courage and the cowardly submissive, and as for the unbelieving and faithless, and as for the depraved and defiled with abominations, and as for murderers and the lewd and adulterous and the practicers of magic arts and the idolaters (those who give supreme devotion to anyone or anything other than God) and all liars (those who knowingly convey untruth by word or deed)--[all of these shall have] their part in the lake that blazes with fire and brimstone. This is the second death.
9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven final plagues (afflictions, calamities) came and spoke to me. He said, Come with me! I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 Then in the Spirit He conveyed me away to a vast and lofty mountain and exhibited to me the holy (hallowed, consecrated) city of Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God,
11 Clothed in God's glory [in all its splendor and radiance]. The luster of it resembled a rare and most precious jewel, like jasper, shining clear as crystal.
12 It had a massive and high wall with twelve [large] gates, and at the gates [there were stationed] twelve angels, and [on the gates] the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were written:
13 On the east side three gates, on the north side three gates, on the south side three gates, and on the west side three gates.
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation [stones], and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 And he who spoke to me had a golden measuring reed (rod) to measure the city and its gates and its wall.
16 The city lies in a square, its length being the same as its width. And he measured the city with his reed--12,000 stadia (about 1,500 miles); its length and width and height are the same.
17 He measured its wall also--144 cubits (about 72 yards) by a man's measure of a cubit from his elbow to his third fingertip], which is [the measure] of the angel.
18 The wall was built of jasper, while the city [itself was of] pure gold, clear and transparent like glass.
19 The foundation [stones] of the wall of the city were ornamented with all of the precious stones. The first foundation [stone] was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony (or white agate), the fourth emerald,
20 The fifth onyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, the twelfth amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each separate gate being built of one solid pearl. And the main street (the broadway) of the city was of gold as pure and translucent as glass.
22 I saw no temple in the city, for the Lord God Omnipotent [Himself] and the Lamb [Himself] are its temple.
23 And the city has no need of the sun nor of the moon to give light to it, for the splendor and radiance (glory) of God illuminate it, and the Lamb is its lamp.
24 The nations shall walk by its light and the rulers and leaders of the earth shall bring into it their glory.
25 And its gates shall never be closed by day, and there shall be no night there.
26 They shall bring the glory (the splendor and majesty) and the honor of the nations into it.
27 But nothing that defiles or profanes or is unwashed shall ever enter it, nor anyone who commits abominations (unclean, detestable, morally repugnant things) or practices falsehood, but only those whose names are recorded in the Lamb's Book of Life.
From the Memorial Program: http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjack ... 090409.pdf (http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf)
Read what the family has wrote especially Rebbie.
I would say that every picture was chosen specifically for a story to be told. STUDY that program it is riddled with clues. ;)
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I know this is totally off the wall out there, but this thought just crossed my mind about delays, so I thought ahh I'll just post it. When Daniel in the Bible was praying for understanding, an angel came to him and explained the delay in answer: Daniel 10:11-14. Funny he was delayed 21 days - 7+7+7 because of resistance, the Prince of Persia (movie 8-) )no less.
10 Suddenly, a hand touched me, which made me tremble on my knees and on the palms of my hands. 11 And he said to me, “O Daniel, man greatly beloved, understand the words that I speak to you, and stand upright, for I have now been sent to you.” While he was speaking this word to me, I stood trembling.
12 Then he said to me, “Do not fear, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart to understand, and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard; and I have come because of your words. 13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come.”
We don't know if MJ's bam is delayed of his own choosing, or someone else resisting him, or court details and sluggishness that MJ's not in control of. Maybe he knew all along it would be way in the future, and is only gently leading us along because he knows we tire easily and need constant encouragement and proddings. Afterall MJ been carrying out his life and plan for many years, but for us we've suddenly put our lives on hold so-to-speak from June 25,09 to BAM.
and behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left alone there with the kings of Persia. 14 Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision refers to many days yet to come
Not out there at all MJonmind.
I also was thinking about how Michael has a 30 plus year of study "advantage" over us on ALL this SECRET Knowledge that he has been studying all his life.
It is overwhelming sometimes to play a 30 plus year catchup to Michael.
Whew...
I think the book of Daniel has huge reference to our precious Michael and what his life long purpose has evolved into. Michael reads his bible every day, and I am certain he studied the secrets of the prophets. And the interpretations of the end time. His delay has no reason other than what is between him and God's purpose for him and this world
viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14289 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=14289)
He swooned the world and the world fell in love with Michael Jackson but, why?
Has anyone honestly been able to answer why is Michael Jackson so beloved the WORLD over?
Not counting his world records, charitable stuff…
but why "The light of the world" sung to us before he “died”?
That is a phenom I have yet to figure out. When I watch some of his videos with the HUMUNGOUS crowds of fans it is overwhelming to me and I am just watching it I can’t IMAGINE the rush of energy Michael got from that.
I do know that he tried so very hard for many many years to warn us of this day.
So many of his words fell on deaf ears. So PLAN a way to reveal the biggest Pandora’s box EVER in HIStory.
He Explained it to us through his videos, songs, speeches, books and movies.
Mr. Michael Jackson needed a sign to know if he was the chosen one. He got his sign and followed through.
I thought that The Sign could be the Ark of the Covenant. Does it make any sense?
to my mind we are looking at a person through whom God revealed to michael a conformation that he had this destination. jmo
Yes TS is a person and the Ark cannot post here (or can it? :? ) :lol: it's just that when I've read the post and saw The Sign ( :lol: ) three things came directly in my mind "The Sign of his Kingship" "Prince Michael" and "Ark of the Covenant" maybe not in that order but I thought it had some connections. But this must be more complicated than that (or maybe more simple). The Sign of what? is the question I ask myself. TS is still the mysterious informer ;) .
or a very clever bamboozleer :lol:
It is amazing to see ALL of THIS unfold.
[youtube:2aewt0yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ro9dny1K8[/youtube:2aewt0yk]
Michael had told ALL of us he was going to do this through this song.
Listen and REALLY hear his words.
His eyes on the Invincible Cover is hypnotic, lol
I can feel the magic behind this album. ;)
Here is another thread discussing the song Cry viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=10848)
He told us. And he told us again in this Post. The Sign ;)
trublu mentioned in TIAI thread 9/9/2010 that they needed some kind of sign, lol
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14022)
I haven't noticed anything yet. I shall be watching TMZ live though..I really feel like we need some kind of sign.
Well TS posted on that same day and signed off,
The Sign.
I think that was an answer. ;)
Peace[/b][/color]
It is destined and it is prophesy being fulfilled.
Let Mike explain it to you he does it better.
I also thought that these numbers could be a code don't worry you're not alone BeTheChange :lol:
When I read TS' post I understand that the code has to be given, meaning that it's not really possible to figure it out by ourselves. Maybe we just cannot find it on purpose, until the time is right...
I absolutely agree.
This "hoax" is embedded with CODE. This is a pre-determined and destined EVENT.
GOD is ALL over this. This EVENT is blessed and we are blessed to be witness to the UNFOLDING of TRUTH.
The mysteries unfold everyday for me, I learn something new about this world and Michael's LIFE.
I am Blown Away at the abudance of info I have learned in the last 7 going on 8 months.
The crackin the code on the numbers, I am like whoa! :shock:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_EO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_EO)
There is a BLUEPRINT already layed down for this to happen exactly the way it IS.
"Captain EO is a 3-D film starring Michael Jackson and directed by Francis Ford Coppola (who came up with the name, "Captain Eo", (from the Greek, cf. "Eos", the Greek goddess of dawn)) that was shown at Disney theme parks from 1986 through the 1990s. The attraction returned to the Disney theme parks in 2010."
I love the redemption in this. ^^^^^
This Is how far back this BLUEPRINT was foretold.
Michael's whole Captain EO movie is telling us very clearly:
We are here to change the world.
It is OUR mission.
Your just another part of me.
Way back he was already displaying the rainbow on his shirt.
He is serious in this video.
[youtube:2aewt0yk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuRL4N5d0w[/youtube:2aewt0yk]
He already knew that we are all connected through space and time.
We are all apart of him.
Peace[/color]
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I am not speaking of any one person, I am speaking in the literal sense. We are not fighing flesh and blood here. I don't think a lot people will have that understanding until it comes to life, or shall I say our spiritual eyes are opened. And they will be opened at some point. In this current situation we are in I choose to walk by faith not by sight. The Holy Spirit will guide us into all understanding which includes the spiritual warfare which is greater than the physical. A persons mind can be destroyed with out weapons or ever touching the body. You may want to check out a book called Battle Field of the Mind, by Joyce Myer. It will explain how Satan can defeat us if we don't put on the whole armor of God.
Revelation 22:7-21 (Amplified Bible)
7 And behold, I am coming speedily. Blessed (happy and to be envied) is he who observes and lays to heart and keeps the truths of the prophecy (the predictions, consolations, and warnings) contained in this [little] book.
8 And I, John, am he who heard and witnessed these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell prostrate before the feet of the messenger (angel) who showed them to me, to worship him.
9 But he said to me, Refrain! [You must not do that!] I am [only] a fellow servant along with yourself and with your brethren the prophets and with those who are mindful of and practice [the truths contained in] the messages of this book. Worship God!
10 And he [further] told me, Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book and make no secret of them, for the time when things are brought to a crisis and the period of their fulfillment is near.
11 He who is unrighteous (unjust, wicked), let him be unrighteous still; and he who is filthy (vile, impure), let him be filthy still; and he who is righteous (just, upright, in right standing with God), let him do right still; and he who is holy, let him be holy still.
12 Behold, I am coming soon, and I shall bring My wages and rewards with Me, to repay and render to each one just what his own actions and his own work merit.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last (the Before all and the End of all).
14 Blessed (happy and to be envied) are those who cleanse their garments, that they may have the authority and right to [approach] the tree of life and to enter through the gates into the city.
15 [But] without are the dogs and those who practice sorceries (magic arts) and impurity [the lewd, adulterers] and the murderers and idolaters and everyone who loves and deals in falsehood (untruth, error, deception, cheating).
16 I, Jesus, have sent My messenger (angel) to you to witness and to give you assurance of these things for the churches (assemblies). I am the Root (the Source) and the Offspring of David, the radiant and brilliant Morning Star.
17 The [Holy] Spirit and the bride (the church, the true Christians) say, Come! And let him who is listening say, Come! And let everyone come who is thirsty [who is painfully conscious of his need of those things by which the soul is refreshed, supported, and strengthened]; and whoever [earnestly] desires to do it, let him come, take, appropriate, and drink the water of Life without cost.
18 I [personally solemnly] warn everyone who listens to the statements of the prophecy [the predictions and the consolations and admonitions pertaining to them] in this book: If anyone shall add anything to them, God will add and lay upon him the plagues (the afflictions and the calamities) that are recorded and described in this book.
19 And if anyone cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy [these predictions relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions or warnings pertaining to them], God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of holiness (purity and hallowedness), which are described and promised in this book.
20 He Who gives this warning and affirms and testifies to these things says, Yes (it is true). [Surely] I am coming quickly (swiftly, speedily). Amen (so let it be)! Yes, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace (blessing and favor) of the Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah) be with all the saints (God's holy people, those set apart for God, to be, as it were, exclusively His). Amen (so let it be)!
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.
@Tekamjforever - Sorry for the diversion but... have you looked at the "Back" thread? You will see that Back, a member of the MJJC forum made some very interesting posts on "the new seven day theory", the first post on this topic was posted on the 25th June 2006... you will find below a link to a discussion on the 7 days theory.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=250#p236276
...And if numbers are "not what you are looking for", you will still find much enjoyment in reading Back's other posts. ;)
With L.O.V.E
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.
@Tekamjforever - Sorry for the diversion but... have you looked at the "Back" thread? You will see that Back, a member of the MJJC forum made some very interesting posts on "the new seven day theory", the first post on this topic was posted on the 25th June 2006... you will find below a link to a discussion on the 7 days theory.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=250#p236276
...And if numbers are "not what you are looking for", you will still find much enjoyment in reading Back's other posts. ;)
With L.O.V.E
Sorry, but I do not want to talk about TS or his theories. I already expressed my opinion and my request, so it is up to him (her) to accept or not.
With respect to my skepticism, concerned, does not mean "losing faith" in which Michael may be alive in the flesh, as if he really died, my faith will not bring him back. I do not believe in miracles.
Other theories that exist about a "hoax" possible, I also prefer to refrain from any comment at this time.
Thanks. :)
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.
Are you asking if TS believes that it's a hoax or not? Because if this is your question I am confident to say that TS believes that it is a Hoax. Now maybe that you are waiting for a more specific answer from TS to be sure...but...his posts...are...clear I don't think that he will answer you personally about that...now :?
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
I'm sorry if I got it wrong but do you say that the numerology and some other stuff in this hoax is just a "coincidence"? I respect your opinion. But I do not believe in coincidence, especially NOT in this hoax :) If they were all coincidences, we would have had more than a thousand "coincidences" in this hoax which is impossible to happen. And we're calculating if the numerology can be a "coincidence" but nobody could able to prove it to be a coincidence yet. Maybe you would like to give it a try if you think that it is a coincidence?
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.
All of the information TS gave to us was not only about numerology. Did you read all of his updates? And like TS says, if all of those updates didn't convince you, nothing and noone can convince you. Blessings to you.
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Speaking of TS, what a coincidence he insisted so much on the Elvis&MJ redirection and the fact that in the "last supper" picture Michael had there is Elvis as well, among the others.
Someone posted a more clear image of that picture here and we can see very clear Elvis is there. So why Michael choose those people to be in that strange picture :? ?
And why Elvis? I can't answer this, but that's odd.
Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
In numerology the letters A, J and S have the numerical value of 1. The letters B, K and T have the value of 2. Therefore T = 2 and S = 1, giving you a 2 and a 1. That's as far as my knowledge of numerology goes, so I can't say if you can make the number 21 out of those two letters put together. But no doubt someone here will have the answer. Blessings :)
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
In numerology the letters A, J and S have the numerical value of 1. The letters B, K and T have the value of 2. Therefore T = 2 and S = 1, giving you a 2 and a 1. That's as far as my knowledge of numerology goes, so I can't say if you can make the number 21 out of those two letters put together. But no doubt someone here will have the answer. Blessings :)
Thank you for clearing that for me. :) This is highly interesting, because wishingstar and Serenity pointed out that Casket Guy at the end of his video (discussed in this thread viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14296&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=14296&start=25))
shows 1988-2009 as the dates of Michael Jackson's life and this leads to 21 when subtracted.
Other posters and I have found out that Casket guy is speaking with the Major's voice and shows further similarities, that's why I honestly think that this is another disguise of MJ.
Because of the reappearing 21 it gets more and more plausible to me that TS is indeed the one we are looking for ;)
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
In numerology the letters A, J and S have the numerical value of 1. The letters B, K and T have the value of 2. Therefore T = 2 and S = 1, giving you a 2 and a 1. That's as far as my knowledge of numerology goes, so I can't say if you can make the number 21 out of those two letters put together. But no doubt someone here will have the answer. Blessings :)
T=20th S=19th
...2+0.... 1+9
....2.......10
....2.......1+0
....2.......1
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
In numerology the letters A, J and S have the numerical value of 1. The letters B, K and T have the value of 2. Therefore T = 2 and S = 1, giving you a 2 and a 1. That's as far as my knowledge of numerology goes, so I can't say if you can make the number 21 out of those two letters put together. But no doubt someone here will have the answer. Blessings :)
T=20th S=19th
...2+0.... 1+9
....2.......10
....2.......1+0
....2.......1
Thanks Bec! :)
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Oh, and what a coincidence. If we replace the letters with the corresponding number in the alphabet, T is the 20th letter - so T is 2 , S is the 19th letter - so S is 1, and that means TS is 21, and that means TS is three sevens - 777 :D
Who else has three sevens in his name.....shhhhhhhhhh, it's a secret :lol:
So you say because S is preceding T you can count 1 and 2 (instead of 19 and 20) and then change the order for TS which makes 21 ?
Sorry, I am really not talented in maths, but I would like to understand that logic. :oops:
Please don't take it as an offense, I am not posting because I want to critizise any calculation, but I would like to know if TS can really be connected with the number 21.
Or was it just a joke? :)
Simply if you take the aplhabet and give each letter a number in growing order, T is the 20th letter and S is the 19th letter, so T is 2 because 2+0=2 and S is 1 because 1+9=10 and 1+0=1 :D So TS is 21 and that means 777
what I wanted to point out is that Michael also has 777 in his name because his name has 7 letters in both his first and last name and also if we replace each letter with the corresponding number in the alphabet we also get 7, like this:
MICHAEL JACKSON
4938153 1132165 = 52 = 7 :D
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on the same logic BAM is 7
BAM
214 = 7
BILLIE JEAN IS 7
BILLIE JEAN
29335 1515 = 34=7
THIS IS ALSO IT is 7
THIS IS ALSO IT
2891 91 1316 92 = 52=7 :lol:
AMAZING, ISN'T IT?!?!?!? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thanks to all who helped me to (partially) understand numerology. I will take a further look into it (and hopefully overcome my math complex). :)
I have always thought that knowing how to handle logic operations would be a very good skill in daily life. I felt the lack of this understanding when I was trying to program software as we had to do in school. I simply failed, (oh I feel this wound bleeding again, lol)
So maybe it's time for a new approach, you will hear from me ... :lol:
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Is TS still keeping us busy? :lol:
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Is TS still keeping us busy? :lol:
He's playing a game with us.......I hope
But only he knows the rules :lol:
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Reassembling back my head after explosion.....
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No need to quote all of that really Gema. Now we have to scroll through it twice.
Perhaps loc mistyped some code?
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now Im really confused! :o :shock:
I was never into computer programming! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
can anyone exmplain the previous two posts :? ;)
All for love, Im sure there is a logical conclusion, but I cannot see it at the moment.
:ugeek:
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SPAM that went wrong and their codes didn't work.
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
TS = The Sign
I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
Yes, Awareness & Higer Consciousness. Did you notice the Ankhu symbol in the video? It is an ancient symbol of immortality and the potential for everlasting life, Faith. If we would only "Open Our Eyes, and "See The Light"
"Immortality's my game", right Michael :D ?
Fascinating....... love you more
love you all guys, you are amazing.
And now, I'm sure that's a reasonbale explanation for this and I'm sure it was posted before, but I missed it: how comes Souza joined this site in 2008? Anyone can help me with this?
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Gema I don't understand what's with that long post....
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He he, I remember dancing that song "the sign" when I was 15-16 y.o
That song refers to a woman/ man getting free from a relationship.
Why did you post it, Serenity?
TS = The Sign
I gotta new life
You would hardly recognize me I'm so glad
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
Life is demanding without understanding
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
No one's gonna drag you up to get into the light where you belong...
Yes, Awareness & Higer Consciousness. Did you notice the Ankhu symbol in the video? It is an ancient symbol of immortality and the potential for everlasting life, Faith. If we would only "Open Our Eyes, and "See The Light"
"Immortality's my game", right Michael :D ?
Fascinating....... love you more
love you all guys, you are amazing.
And now, I'm sure that's a reasonbale explanation for this and I'm sure it was posted before, but I missed it: how comes Souza joined this site in 2008? Anyone can help me with this?
Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
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"Immortality's my game", right Michael :D ?
Fascinating....... love you more
love you all guys, you are amazing.
And now, I'm sure that's a reasonbale explanation for this and I'm sure it was posted before, but I missed it: how comes Souza joined this site in 2008? Anyone can help me with this?
Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
Me too ;)
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well this will be good for the new ones...we dont know why you are here from 2008 and laugh about this and make feel bad NEW members is no a good thing.
You sound sarcastic Souza.
LOVE <3
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well this will be good for the new ones...we dont know why you are here from 2008 and laugh about this and make feel bad NEW members is no a good thing.
You sound sarcastic Souza.
LOVE <3
I agree with you...oh but ask something about TS and they will answer you asap no matter what how many pages they need to scroll back ....
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well this will be good for the new ones...we dont know why you are here from 2008 and laugh about this and make feel bad NEW members is no a good thing.
You sound sarcastic Souza.
LOVE <3
I agree with you...oh but ask something about TS and they will answer you asap no matter what how many pages they need to scroll back ....
mmmm .... 14 months before the "death" equal 2 X 7. Are we supposed to read something significant into that? I wonder how long this particular subject will run for. Put us out of our misery please Souza and point us in the direction of the links which explain it all :?
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Sorry for my sarcasm, but this question was asked like a thousand times. On the forum, on other forums, on Twitter, in PM, by e-mail, etc... Just do a search for "Souza joined 2008"
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=souza+joined+2008&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=souza+joined+2008&start=25)
I hope this will be the last time: This date is the date of the last update of the template we used for this board. This forum was started on November 17, 2009 and that is also the date I joined.
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I agree with you...oh but ask something about TS and they will answer you asap no matter what how many pages they need to scroll back ....
Yes, because that topic is way more important than my joining date, you got a problem with that?
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We love new members!
Souza has been the frequent target of personal attacks and never ending suspicion regarding her personal information for over a year so you'll have to excuse if she gets a little exasperated when a line of questioning seems to be set to go down that same old road.
But we love love love new members and we are glad you are here!
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jackieblue64
Yes, Awareness & Higer Consciousness. Did you notice the Ankhu symbol in the video? It is an ancient symbol of immortality and the potential for everlasting life, Faith. If we would only "Open Our Eyes, and "See The Light"
"Everlasting" reminds me of the song Everlasting Love from U2 and also of the song
“The Everlasting”, by the Welsh alternative rock band Manic Street Preachers, from 1998 album “This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours”. The song Umbrella of the album "Umbrella" is covered by Rihanna. Odd thing to know is that the band's guitarist and composer suddenly "disappeared". :geek:
"The Everlasting"
The gap that grows between our lives
The gap our parents never had
Stop those thoughts control your mind
Replace the things that you despise
Oh you're old I hear you say
It doesn't mean that I don't care
I don't believe in it anymore
Pathetic acts for a worthless cause
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
But now unforgiven the everlasting
Everlasting
The world is full of refugees
They're just like you and just like me
But as people we have a choice
To end the void with all its force
So don't forget or don't pretend
It's all the same now in the end
It was set in a different life
Destroys my days and haunts my nights?
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
But now unforgiving the everlasting
Everlasting
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
In the beginning when we were winning
When our smiles were genuine
Now unforgiving, the everlasting
Everlasting
But now unforgiving, the everlasting
Everlasting
"I've always wanted and never succeeded in painting the smile" Francis Bacon
By Manic street Preachers
Everlasting L.O.V.E.
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@Souza - as I said, I was sure you have a reasonable explanation for this.
I just wanted to know ...what's wrong with it?!
So Mike called and asked you to start this site...good to know :lol:
I will make sure not to bother you again with stupid questions.
In fact with no questions at all.
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The Sign is also a thriller by Raymond Khoury... I thought I shared this as the story line does have its parallels with our MJ Hoax, it may well be another COINCIDENCE. ;)
Review
'A pulse-pounding thriller' (DAILY TELEGRAPH )
'...one of the top writers of intelligent thrillers. This is a humdinger that taps into our deepest fears over the state of the planet.' (PETERBOROUGH EVENING TELEGRAPH )
'A thoughtful book with a powerful message and yet also a thrilling read with compelling, well-developed characters. Highly recommended.' (LIBRARY JOURNAL )
'Readers who like their thrillers to have a solid intellectual component will enjoy Khoury's books very much. Given the high quality of each of his novels, it seems fair to say that he may be around for a while.' (BOOKLIST )
'Unrelenting action and a suitably twisted ending...' (PUBLISHERS WEEKLY )
Product Description
In Antarctica, a scientific expedition drops anchor to witness the cataclysmic breakup of an ice shelf. As investigative reporter Gracie Logan begins her live news feed, a massive, shimmering ball of light suddenly appears in the sky, shapeshifting and enveloping the ship before disappearing as mysteriously as it arrived, the entire event witnessed by a shocked world audience. On a mountaintop in Egypt, a solitary priest contemplates the magnificence of God's creation spread out before him. His presence in this holy place is a mystery even to him; he is certain only of the elusive power of the calling he feels and the compulsive need to record in writing-and to draw-the vision which repeatedly consumes him. And in Boston, reformed car thief Matt Sherwood finds out that his brother's death may not be all it seemed to be-and that it may be related to the stunning controversy that's spinning out of control and threatening to erupt into violence and chaos. The entire world holds its breath as Gracie and Matt chase down the story of a lifetime: Has God finally decided to reveal himself? Or is something more sinister at hand?
With L.O.V.E
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TS wrote in this post:
..." possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the onethe TMZ blog roll!"
We have reasons to think TMZ is in the hoax, right? They were the first in announcing the death, they were the first in lots of news and so on.
Yes they list a hoax site in their blogroll, which is strange enough ... a "serious" media would not follow a hoax site, because the general and official opinion is that Michael Jackson is dead and the ones who speak the opposite are somehow ridiculous....
And yes, TMZ list on their blogroll not any hoax site, but THIS VERY ONE.
So if this death is really a hoax and TMZ is really a main actor in it, may I ask WHY do they "certify" this very site and not the others? Only because TS posts here and only here?
I don't know if you see my point.
If Michael is behind the hoax and behind TMZ and TMZ validates this site by listing it on their blogroll, that means Michael himself validates this site....
But may I ask why would Michael do such a thing? Are people here special in some way? Is there more valuable info here than on other hoax sites? Answer this....... because I can't.
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TS wrote in this post:
..." possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the onethe TMZ blog roll!"
We have reasons to think TMZ is in the hoax, right? They were the first in announcing the death, they were the first in lots of news and so on.
Yes they list a hoax site in their blogroll, which is strange enough ... a "serious" media would not follow a hoax site, because the general and official opinion is that Michael Jackson is dead and the ones who speak the opposite are somehow ridiculous....
And yes, TMZ list on their blogroll not any hoax site, but THIS VERY ONE.
So if this death is really a hoax and TMZ is really a main actor in it, may I ask WHY do they "certify" this very site and not the others? Only because TS posts here and only here?
I don't know if you see my point.
If Michael is behind the hoax and behind TMZ and TMZ validates this site by listing it on their blogroll, that means Michael himself validates this site....
But may I ask why would Michael do such a thing? Are people here special in some way? Is there more valuable info here than on other hoax sites? Answer this....... because I can't.
2 words have taken a totally different meaning since Michael "death", those 2 words are coincidence and impossible! The definition of coincidence has become: Everything happens for a reason whilst impossible does no longer have a definition,it's gone from my vocabulary!
Where does this take us?
Everything is there for a reason... Michael hoaxed is death, TMZ is part of the Hoax(Paid communication channel - Uncle Harvey), TS is the guiding light, Michael "choses" this site, this site is the chosen one!
Why?
2 "virtual" options in my mind:
1. Law of natural selection: Mo & Souza through their efforts made this site stand out from the rest and have attracted people with similar beliefs and values who are further contributing to differentiating this site from the others.
2. It was all planned from the start: A worthwhile consideration though, I have been privy to so many unexplained occurrences since MJ faked his death that what I would in the past, have <seen> as the logical option is no longer such... where reality and illusion use to each have their place, this hoax brings them dangerously close to each other!
With L.O.V.E
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TS wrote in this post:
..." possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the onethe TMZ blog roll!"
We have reasons to think TMZ is in the hoax, right? They were the first in announcing the death, they were the first in lots of news and so on.
Yes they list a hoax site in their blogroll, which is strange enough ... a "serious" media would not follow a hoax site, because the general and official opinion is that Michael Jackson is dead and the ones who speak the opposite are somehow ridiculous....
And yes, TMZ list on their blogroll not any hoax site, but THIS VERY ONE.
So if this death is really a hoax and TMZ is really a main actor in it, may I ask WHY do they "certify" this very site and not the others? Only because TS posts here and only here?
I don't know if you see my point.
If Michael is behind the hoax and behind TMZ and TMZ validates this site by listing it on their blogroll, that means Michael himself validates this site....
But may I ask why would Michael do such a thing? Are people here special in some way? Is there more valuable info here than on other hoax sites? Answer this....... because I can't.
2 words have taken a totally different meaning since Michael "death", those 2 words are coincidence and impossible! The definition of coincidence has become: Everything happens for a reason whilst impossible does no longer have a definition,it's gone from my vocabulary!
Where does this take us?
Everything is there for a reason... Michael hoaxed is death, TMZ is part of the Hoax(Paid communication channel - Uncle Harvey), TS is the guiding light, Michael "choses" this site, this site is the chosen one!
Why?
2 "virtual" options in my mind:
1. Law of natural selection: Mo & Souza through their efforts made this site stand out from the rest and have attracted people with similar beliefs and values who are further contributing to differentiating this site from the others.
2. It was all planned from the start: A worthwhile consideration though, I have been privy to so many unexplained occurrences since MJ faked his death that what I would in the past, have <seen> as the logical option is no longer such... where reality and illusion use to each have their place, this hoax brings them dangerously close to each other!
With L.O.V.E
you mean it's possible this site to be a part of the plan :shock: :shock: ?!
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But the previous domain had someone called "Amy" as an administrator right?
I never paid attention of why the site closed and Mo,So and someone else took the site. What is incredible is to see that the site is still up running after all the issues going here and there.
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Not incredible for me....that the site still goes on.
We have not found the truth yet, so we need this site until Michael appears or untill Murray is convicted for murder.
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I love the SCARED YET.
I don't think I will ever prove anything or earn the $999. This post, however, has given me more hope. No matter what the official story is (media, etc.), I have more and more reason to beLIEve that Michael is still alive and well and that we will surely see him again in this life. Thank you so much, TS.
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I just remembered something. Has anyone noticed the official Twitter? On http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958 (http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958) all the tweets have now been deleted. Could it be that Michael himself deleted them to show us even more proof that he is still with us?
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I just remembered something. Has anyone noticed the official Twitter? On http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958 (http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958) all the tweets have now been deleted. Could it be that Michael himself deleted them to show us even more proof that he is still with us?
That might be again a Twitter bug, because it still says the account has 11 tweets. And besides that, we are not sure it is really his account.
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I just remembered something. Has anyone noticed the official Twitter? On http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958 (http://www.twitter.com/MJJackson1958) all the tweets have now been deleted. Could it be that Michael himself deleted them to show us even more proof that he is still with us?
That might be again a Twitter bug, because it still says the account has 11 tweets. And besides that, we are not sure it is really his account.
Good point, Souza. Thanks for your response.
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
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And I was thinking of something else today....
TS points to TMZ as part of the hoax and tells us to connect the dots from TMZ.
On the other hand TMZ validates TS by listing on their blogroll the only site where TS posts.
TMZ and TS validate each other.
TMz really gave us dots to connect and delivered hidden messages to us, at least that's how we interpreted their articles about Michael. There were plenty of them, with double meaning headlines or content or pictures.
So it's almost sure TS and TMZ are connected.
But how can we connect them both to Michael though?!
TS already gave some arguments, but I feel like we need a little more.... sorry, this is what I think.
Though I can see some connection (if it's not a coincidence) about the Army of Love.
TS is recruiting, TMZ is posting "Jermaine commands Michael Jackson Army" and AllJack5ons tweet "Jackson fans are an Army of Love".
Sorry I question again these matters ... I guess untill we see Michael back nothing can convince us 100% that our beloved Michael is alive. Especially when members of his family talk publicly about murder and so on.
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So it's almost sure TS and TMZ are connected.
But how can we connect them both to Michael though?!
This same question I had some time ago and I got the answer when I was not able to connect the dots. @Serenity gave me an explanation that seemed plausible to me.
In resume; MJ joined an adventure called Kingdom entertaiment. That group holds other groups and looks like TMZ is one of those :)
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yGema you mean a venture, not an adventure?!
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I heard that a half of TMZ belonged to Michael and the other to his friend arabian sheikh, don't remember his name.
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So it's almost sure TS and TMZ are connected.
But how can we connect them both to Michael though?!
This same question I had some time ago and I got the answer when I was not able to connect the dots. @Serenity gave me an explanation that seemed plausible to me.
In resume; MJ joined an adventure called Kingdom entertaiment. That group holds other groups and looks like TMZ is one of those :)
This is linked in TS latests post which remains the redirection.
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_Silencing_the_Critics.php
Re: To Serenitys_Dream and TS
Post by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:11 am
TMZ.com is a celebrity news web site which debuted on November 8, 2005. It was a collaboration between America Online (AOL) and Telepictures Productions, a division of Warner Bros., until Time Warner divested AOL in 2009. The site is now under the sole control of Warner Bros.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ.com
Time Warner (formerly AOL Time Warner) is the world's second largest entertainment conglomerate in terms of revenue (behind Disney and ahead of News Corporation and Viacom), as well as the world's largest media conglomerate, headquartered in the Time Warner Center in New York City. Formerly two separate companies, Warner Communications, Inc. and Time Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner
Warner Communications was established in 1971 when Kinney National Company spun off its non-entertainment assets, due to a financial scandal over its parking operations and changed its name.
It was the parent company for Warner Bros. Pictures and Warner Music Group during the 1970s and 1980s. It also owned DC Comics and Mad. Warner made (and later lost) considerable profits with Atari, which it owned from 1976 to 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Communications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Communications)
Warner Bros. Entertainment, Inc., also known as Warner Bros. Pictures or simply Warner Bros. is an American producer of film and television entertainment.
One of the major film studios, it is a subsidiary of Time Warner, with its headquarters in Burbank, California and New York City. Warner Bros. has several subsidiary companies, including Warner Bros. Studios, Warner Bros. Pictures, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Warner Bros. Television, Warner Bros. Animation, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, TheWB.com, and DC Comics. Warner owns half of The CW Television Network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros.
This establishes that Time-Warner (AOL, Warner Bros. etc) is the parent company of TMZ.
Saudi Prince To Double Stake in AOL
By Lori Enos NewsFactor Network November 3, 2000
Billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said Thursday that he intends to double his investment in America Online (NYSE: AOL), bringing his stake to a whopping $2.05 billion (US$).
The prince decided to invest more heavily in AOL because he reportedly believes the company is the "anchor of the industry" and will flourish even though other high-tech companies are "collapsing and going under left and right."
"America Online is the No. 1 Internet company in the world and has a solid foundation and is making profit," the prince said in published reports. "When the dust settles on the dot-com industry, America Online will be around."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/573781/posts
Michael Jackson forms entertainment venture with Saudi Arabian prince
Jet, April 8, 1996
The king of pop, Michael Jackson, recently launched a joint venture with Saudi Arabia's Prince al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to promote entertainment based on "family values."
Kingdom Entertainment, the name of the new venture, will develop a variety of entertainment projects such as movies, books, hotels, recordings, licensing, merchandising and theme parks.
"Michael Jackson and I shared the same interests and the same essential values," the Prince said about Jackson, whom he met 18 months ago in Paris and says also shares his "need to preserve family values."
The megastar, who designed the project's logo of a jeweled Excaliburstyle sword in a rock, said he wanted to be "actively involved in all facets of the global multimedia explosion."
Kingdom Entertainment's first project will be to sponsor Jackson's HIStory world tour.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n21_v89/ai_18170326/
[youtube:1xm5rhdt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LxRAweU7Fs[/youtube:1xm5rhdt]
Kingdom Entertainment
The Kingdom Entertainment Group is a leading event production company providing its services for corporate and non profit events, award and fashion shows, touring presentations and network TV specials.
http://www.kingdomeventgrp.com/
One of the major shareholders (owners?) in Time-Warner (AOL, Warner bros. etc) is a good friend and business associate of Michael Jackson. Maybe this is the influence on TMZ.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140
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I just noticed the date and time I posted this.
(It is in my time on the West Coast, PST) :lol:
Re: To Serenitys_Dream and TS
Post by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:11 am
Date: Jun 23, 2010
6 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 14
14 = 2 x 7 or 77
Time : 1:11
:o very freaken weird coincidence :lol:
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
Is it really so hard to understand that after all the research we did we are literally sick to our stomaches for all the shit the pulled on him, all the injustice, all the lies and everything he was put through? Yet after all this he's still standing, strong and brave, and he's is still fighting, for a better world for everyone.
Is it difficult to understand that we highly appreciate him for all he did and still is doing for mankind? Is it strange that we are furious for how he was and still is treated because people are too stupid to think for themselves or are too lazy to do some research instead of blindly believe the stories that were and are spread about him?
Do you have to be a fan of someone like Michael Jackson and who was treated like Michael Jackson to be prepared to defend that person to the bone..? No, absolutely not as far as I'm concerned. No one ever deserves to be treated like Michael Jackson was, and especially not someone like Michael Jackson.
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
Is it really so hard to understand that after all the research we did we are literally sick to our stomaches for all the shit the pulled on him, all the injustice, all the lies and everything he was put through? Yet after all this he's still standing, strong and brave, and he's is still fighting, for a better world for everyone.
Is it difficult to understand that we highly appreciate him for all he did and still is doing for mankind? Is it strange that we are furious for how he was and still is treated because people are too stupid to think for themselves or are too lazy to do some research instead of blindly believe the stories that were and are spread about him?
Do you have to be a fan of someone like Michael Jackson and who was treated like Michael Jackson to be prepared to defend that person to the bone..? No, absolutely not as far as I'm concerned. No one ever deserves to be treated like Michael Jackson was, and especially not someone like Michael Jackson.
Exactly. There are many people I would defend to the bone, and I am not their fan.
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
Is it really so hard to understand that after all the research we did we are literally sick to our stomaches for all the shit the pulled on him, all the injustice, all the lies and everything he was put through? Yet after all this he's still standing, strong and brave, and he's is still fighting, for a better world for everyone.
Is it difficult to understand that we highly appreciate him for all he did and still is doing for mankind? Is it strange that we are furious for how he was and still is treated because people are too stupid to think for themselves or are too lazy to do some research instead of blindly believe the stories that were and are spread about him?
Do you have to be a fan of someone like Michael Jackson and who was treated like Michael Jackson to be prepared to defend that person to the bone..? No, absolutely not as far as I'm concerned. No one ever deserves to be treated like Michael Jackson was, and especially not someone like Michael Jackson.
Exactly. There are many people I would defend to the bone, and I am not their fan.
And just because you aren't a fan, doesn't mean you dont' appreciate his work or like him. I think a lot of people, here in America at least, take it the wrong way when someone says they aren't a fan of something. It's almost a figure of speech here, if you say "I'm not a fan of so and so or such in such" people take it as you disliking that person or topic at hand. Strange that it' is that way but wouldn't be the only thing.
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And just because you aren't a fan, doesn't mean you dont' appreciate his work or like him. I think a lot of people, here in America at least, take it the wrong way when someone says they aren't a fan of something.It's almost a figure of speech here , if you say "I'm not a fan of so and so or such in such" people take it as you disliking that person or topic at hand. Strange that it' is that way but wouldn't be the only thing.
Yep, same applies to "oh, yeah, I love it" or "why don't you stop by our house?"
There is often nothing behind but hot air; the so called "love" will be forgotten in the next second when the next "oh this is soooo sweet" is coming along.
What the meaning of love is, what the meaning of an invitation is, what the meaning of being a sincere and humble friend and of commitment, agreement and promises to be kept is, is too often forgotten.
I am still having issues in believing what I hear from voices in the U.S. because there is often too much superficial "lahdidah" in it and too little soul, heart and honesty. Applies to media, politicians, officials, acquaintances alike. No offense intended, this is just giving my personal experience where I learned to take some statements with two grains of salt instead of one.
It does help in these times. ;)
I am not a fan either. This does not diminish my respect, patience and commitment.
On the contrary. On the contrary.
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yGema you mean a venture, not an adventure?!
venture :oops:
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I just noticed the date and time I posted this.
(It is in my time on the West Coast, PST) :lol:
Re: To Serenitys_Dream and TS
Post by Serenitys_Dream » Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:11 am
Date: Jun 23, 2010
6 + 2 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 14
14 = 2 x 7 or 77
Time : 1:11
:o very freaken weird coincidence :lol:
:lol: :lol: and now is 23:32 :lol:
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Gina,
There is nothing wrong with your questions. They are just a healthy part of faith. I also see nothing wrong with people who are not fans of Michael having this site investigating Michael being alive and also defending him because it shows objectivity to the investigation and defense. Anyone can expect a fan to defend Michael and want to prove him to be alive. However, for people who are not fans to defend him and prove that he is alive just adds more to the objective nature of the evidence that those people produce. I'm not saying that what a fan says is not objective--just that there is likely to be more of an objective nature than a subjective nature to what a "non-fan" says than what a fan says, though you have told me that you are more than a fan (and I do believe that you are more than a fan). :)
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Gina,
There is nothing wrong with your questions. They are just a healthy part of faith. I also see nothing wrong with people who are not fans of Michael having this site investigating Michael being alive and also defending him because it shows objectivity to the investigation and defense. Anyone can expect a fan to defend Michael and want to prove him to be alive. However, for people who are not fans to defend him and prove that he is alive just adds more to the objective nature of the evidence that those people produce. I'm not saying that what a fan says is not objective--just that there is likely to be more of an objective nature than a subjective nature to what a "non-fan" says than what a fan says, though you have told me that you are more than a fan (and I do believe that you are more than a fan). :)
I told that to somebody special, didn't know it was you :lol:
Sorry, with these different usernames sometimes it's hard to recognize people from one site on other sites.
Now I guess I think I know who you are :lol: .
I was wondering why you left michaeljackson.com all of a sudden (I hope I'm not mistaken, but if I do - I am sorry ).
Thank you all for your answers, but I still have to look for my own answer to this.
Love you Michael, wherever you are...here or in heaven
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Gina,
There is nothing wrong with your questions. They are just a healthy part of faith. I also see nothing wrong with people who are not fans of Michael having this site investigating Michael being alive and also defending him because it shows objectivity to the investigation and defense. Anyone can expect a fan to defend Michael and want to prove him to be alive. However, for people who are not fans to defend him and prove that he is alive just adds more to the objective nature of the evidence that those people produce. I'm not saying that what a fan says is not objective--just that there is likely to be more of an objective nature than a subjective nature to what a "non-fan" says than what a fan says, though you have told me that you are more than a fan (and I do believe that you are more than a fan). :)
I told that to somebody special, didn't know it was you :lol:
Sorry, with these different usernames sometimes it's hard to recognize people from one site on other sites.
Now I guess I think I know who you are :lol: .
I was wondering why you left michaeljackson.com all of a sudden (I hope I'm not mistaken, but if I do - I am sorry ).
Thank you all for your answers, but I still have to look for my own answer to this.
Love you Michael, wherever you are...here or in heaven
:?: :?: :?:
I don't get it... I have literally spelled out our motivations, those are OUR answers to your questions. How come you need to look for your own answer while we have given our answer already?
I'm getting really tired about having to defend ourselves for the fact that we're not fans and being asked for our motives time after time after time again. Not being a Michael Jackson fan but being involved in this hoax and defending him still seems to be a crime.
Let me ask you a question in return: If you became aware of a case in which a person was treated like Michael Jackson was, especially while that person has done innumerable things to try and help humanity in every possible way within his reach and was attempted to be beaten down for it for the most loathsome reasons, would you NOT come to the defense of that person simply because you're not a fan of that person..?
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TS wrote in this post:
..." possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the onethe TMZ blog roll!"
We have reasons to think TMZ is in the hoax, right? They were the first in announcing the death, they were the first in lots of news and so on.
Yes they list a hoax site in their blogroll, which is strange enough ... a "serious" media would not follow a hoax site, because the general and official opinion is that Michael Jackson is dead and the ones who speak the opposite are somehow ridiculous....
And yes, TMZ list on their blogroll not any hoax site, but THIS VERY ONE.
So if this death is really a hoax and TMZ is really a main actor in it, may I ask WHY do they "certify" this very site and not the others? Only because TS posts here and only here?
I don't know if you see my point.
If Michael is behind the hoax and behind TMZ and TMZ validates this site by listing it on their blogroll, that means Michael himself validates this site....
But may I ask why would Michael do such a thing? Are people here special in some way? Is there more valuable info here than on other hoax sites? Answer this....... because I can't.
2 words have taken a totally different meaning since Michael "death", those 2 words are coincidence and impossible! The definition of coincidence has become: Everything happens for a reason whilst impossible does no longer have a definition,it's gone from my vocabulary!
Where does this take us?
Everything is there for a reason... Michael hoaxed is death, TMZ is part of the Hoax(Paid communication channel - Uncle Harvey), TS is the guiding light, Michael "choses" this site, this site is the chosen one!
Why?
2 "virtual" options in my mind:
1. Law of natural selection: Mo & Souza through their efforts made this site stand out from the rest and have attracted people with similar beliefs and values who are further contributing to differentiating this site from the others.
2. It was all planned from the start: A worthwhile consideration though, I have been privy to so many unexplained occurrences since MJ faked his death that what I would in the past, have <seen> as the logical option is no longer such... where reality and illusion use to each have their place, this hoax brings them dangerously close to each other!
With L.O.V.E
you mean it's possible this site to be a part of the plan :shock: :shock: ?!
Ginafelicia, I think you are a very good question-asker/detective! I'm sure many others are asking those same things in their minds. It does seem sad that the many thousands of members here that have left, are missing out on knowing that MJ's approval could be/seems to be resting on this very site. Michael's best kept secret!!! If I was discouraged and thinking of moving on, that little TS tidbit would certainly stoke the fires of interest for this place! :mrgreen:
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
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TS wrote in this post:
..." possible that one or more in the Jackson family would read the hoax theories on the internet. And if you are sure MJ is alive: then you can be certain that they are watching the hoax on the internet. And even if they read one and only one hoax forum, surely it would be this one (MJDHI); because it’s the first hit on Google, because you don’t have to sign up to read it, and because it is the only hoax forum on the TMZ blog roll {http://www.tmz.com/blogroll/}.
Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the onethe TMZ blog roll!"
We have reasons to think TMZ is in the hoax, right? They were the first in announcing the death, they were the first in lots of news and so on.
Yes they list a hoax site in their blogroll, which is strange enough ... a "serious" media would not follow a hoax site, because the general and official opinion is that Michael Jackson is dead and the ones who speak the opposite are somehow ridiculous....
And yes, TMZ list on their blogroll not any hoax site, but THIS VERY ONE.
So if this death is really a hoax and TMZ is really a main actor in it, may I ask WHY do they "certify" this very site and not the others? Only because TS posts here and only here?
I don't know if you see my point.
If Michael is behind the hoax and behind TMZ and TMZ validates this site by listing it on their blogroll, that means Michael himself validates this site....
But may I ask why would Michael do such a thing? Are people here special in some way? Is there more valuable info here than on other hoax sites? Answer this....... because I can't.
2 words have taken a totally different meaning since Michael "death", those 2 words are coincidence and impossible! The definition of coincidence has become: Everything happens for a reason whilst impossible does no longer have a definition,it's gone from my vocabulary!
Where does this take us?
Everything is there for a reason... Michael hoaxed is death, TMZ is part of the Hoax(Paid communication channel - Uncle Harvey), TS is the guiding light, Michael "choses" this site, this site is the chosen one!
Why?
2 "virtual" options in my mind:
1. Law of natural selection: Mo & Souza through their efforts made this site stand out from the rest and have attracted people with similar beliefs and values who are further contributing to differentiating this site from the others.
2. It was all planned from the start: A worthwhile consideration though, I have been privy to so many unexplained occurrences since MJ faked his death that what I would in the past, have <seen> as the logical option is no longer such... where reality and illusion use to each have their place, this hoax brings them dangerously close to each other!
With L.O.V.E
you mean it's possible this site to be a part of the plan :shock: :shock: ?!
Ginafelicia, I think you are a very good question-asker/detective! I'm sure many others are asking those same things in their minds. It does seem sad that the many thousands of members here that have left, are missing out on knowing that MJ's approval could be/seems to be resting on this very site. Michael's best kept secret!!! If I was discouraged and thinking of moving on, that little TS tidbit would certainly stoke the fires of interest for this place! :mrgreen:
well, you know what they say: the right question makes half of the answer.
The risk is to upset people by asking too many questions. This site is my last hope to find the truth I want to hear, really, I'm grateful it's still here and I can acces it every day.
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
Gina, you skipped my question, can you please answer it?
Let me ask you a question in return: If you became aware of a case in which a person was treated like Michael Jackson was, especially while that person has done innumerable things to try and help humanity in every possible way within his reach and was attempted to be beaten down for it for the most loathsome reasons, would you NOT come to the defense of that person simply because you're not a fan of that person..?
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I agree with you...oh but ask something about TS and they will answer you asap no matter what how many pages they need to scroll back ....
Yes, because that topic is way more important than my joining date, you got a problem with that?
No, i dont got a problem with that...i got a question and you answered already, thankyou.
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I will answer to Mo, Michael did not deserve to be treated the way they did with it, no human being deserves to be treated that way, and anyone who comes here to defend so not a fan,! welcome! and I think it has much more merit than many who claim to be his fans that says a lot Souza and Mo on its sensitivity and human values
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Is it really so hard to understand that after all the research we did we are literally sick to our stomaches for all the shit the pulled on him, all the injustice, all the lies and everything he was put through? Yet after all this he's still standing, strong and brave, and he's is still fighting, for a better world for everyone.
Is it difficult to understand that we highly appreciate him for all he did and still is doing for mankind? Is it strange that we are furious for how he was and still is treated because people are too stupid to think for themselves or are too lazy to do some research instead of blindly believe the stories that were and are spread about him?
Do you have to be a fan of someone like Michael Jackson and who was treated like Michael Jackson to be prepared to defend that person to the bone..? No, absolutely not as far as I'm concerned. No one ever deserves to be treated like Michael Jackson was, and especially not someone like Michael Jackson.
Oh, Mo, I know, I know, I absolutely hate thinking about that, the frustrating irony, it just.. I wish we could all reverse it, discover time travel and reverse it, that would be the greatest of all- sorry, I'm getting too dramatic.. I just hate it so much, you know?
Gina, come on, you see what Mo and Souza have done- I happen to think they're great and admirable!
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
Gina, you skipped my question, can you please answer it?
Let me ask you a question in return: If you became aware of a case in which a person was treated like Michael Jackson was, especially while that person has done innumerable things to try and help humanity in every possible way within his reach and was attempted to be beaten down for it for the most loathsome reasons, would you NOT come to the defense of that person simply because you're not a fan of that person..?
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Of course I would defense that person.
The question is to what extent would my involvement into defending that person would go. There is so much injustice in the world, so many misstreated persons that I would have to choose to whom will my absolute dedication and my time go.
I've been chosen Michael and all my time goes for him because I'm so in love with everything that he stands for.
I don't know about you
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I think that if Mo and Souza are so involved in all this it's also because for once someone (Michael) is making that change possible, this is the greatest thing of all time, the greatest opportunity that Michael is giving us, God bless him. It doesn't happen everyday. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I think that if Mo and Souza are so involved in all this it's also because for once someone (Michael) is making that change possible, this is the greatest thing of all time, the greatest opportunity that Michael is giving us, God bless him. It doesn't happen everyday. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No need to correct you, well said!
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
Exactly my thinking from the start! ;)
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"We both are not fans of Michael Jackson, so what are we doing here?
We are not here to find him.
We are here to speak up for someone that can't speak up for himself.
We are here to report all the shit that the mainstream media has ignored or mis reported.
We are here to support someone that needs support.
We are here to give members a platform to discuss this matter.
We are here for him and we will defend him to the bone."
Every time I enter this site I read this....and every time it sounds somehow strange to me.
We are not fans ....but yet we will defend him to the bone..... this is really a devotion hard to understand coming from people who say are not fans. Yet they appreciate Michael so much that they are determined to defend him to the bone.
Who else, besides his fans, would defend Michael to the bone?!
Sorry, no offense intended here, I just try to understand what's going on.
Exactly my thinking from the start! ;)
EVERY single person in this world who is able to use his/her brain!
Are you sure that his fans are so willing to defend him to the bone? yet some of them are so blind that they refuse to see the truth and to see what he is doing right now!
You don't have to be FANS (I'm really sick and tired of this word) to defend a person who risked (and he is still risking) his own life to change the world!
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
This site was unaccessible for me almost all day on Oct 7, I wondered if that meant the same thing like with the old forum would happen...
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Me too I was starting to worry! I was so relieved when it started working normally again. :)
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
This site was unaccessible for me almost all day on Oct 7, I wondered if that meant the same thing like with the old forum would happen...
Oh the suspicions... :roll: :? :|
Maybe you should start following us on Twitter. If something is wrong with our server or whatever, we tweet about it. Technical issues DO occur, you know...no matter what you wondered about.
http://twitter.com/kyechu/status/26650238878 (http://twitter.com/kyechu/status/26650238878)
http://twitter.com/MJDHI/status/26650265041 (http://twitter.com/MJDHI/status/26650265041)
http://twitter.com/souza81/status/26651856925 (http://twitter.com/souza81/status/26651856925)
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
This site was unaccessible for me almost all day on Oct 7, I wondered if that meant the same thing like with the old forum would happen...
Oh the suspicions... :roll: :? :|
Maybe you should start following us on Twitter. If something is wrong with our server or whatever, we tweet about it. Technical issues DO occur, you know...no matter what you wondered about.
http://twitter.com/kyechu/status/26650238878 (http://twitter.com/kyechu/status/26650238878)
http://twitter.com/MJDHI/status/26650265041 (http://twitter.com/MJDHI/status/26650265041)
http://twitter.com/souza81/status/26651856925 (http://twitter.com/souza81/status/26651856925)
Thanks, Mo, I thought it was a technical problem, just said what crossed my mind.
I'm not on Twitter so I didn't think of checking it but good to know now. ;)
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Sorry Mo, please don't be upset with me...I'm just so UNCERTAIN of everything lately... I suppose this story made me suspicious about everything and everyone.
Today I couldn't acces this site and I realized what a tragedy would be for me if it closes.
I just don't know to whom to be grateful for keeping it alive: to you, to Souza... or to Michael ... or to TMZ :lol: :lol: :lol: ....
OOOPS...I did it again... :mrgreen:
I guess time will bring more certainties to me.
Gina, you skipped my question, can you please answer it?
Let me ask you a question in return: If you became aware of a case in which a person was treated like Michael Jackson was, especially while that person has done innumerable things to try and help humanity in every possible way within his reach and was attempted to be beaten down for it for the most loathsome reasons, would you NOT come to the defense of that person simply because you're not a fan of that person..?
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Of course I would defense that person.
The question is to what extent would my involvement into defending that person would go. There is so much injustice in the world, so many misstreated persons that I would have to choose to whom will my absolute dedication and my time go.
I've been chosen Michael and all my time goes for him because I'm so in love with everything that he stands for.
I don't know about you
I'm giving up. I'm not going to put more time into answering your posts while it's obvious that you didn't read my replies thoroughly.
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Ummm I'm not a 'fan' I just care about people and the world.
There are lots of us here.
I don't think we need to have been to a concert or envisaged marrying Michael or whatever to be part of this effort to change to world.
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I'm always perplexed whenever there is friction between 'fans' and 'non-fans' (yes, we have to change those words!!!). I have loved, admired, looked up to, and respected Michael for his tremendous talent, his tenacity, his strength, his dreams of making the world a better place and his ability to do so, for 38 years. Having said that, I have never been under any illusions that he was perfect or that he didn't have regrets or made mistakes.
Considering the point of this site, though, investigating what took place with his 'death,' I would think that 'fans' like me would be more than overjoyed to be joined by people that were not 'fans' prior to his 'death'. When you love someone, don't you want others to love them too? The fact that Mo and Souza (or any other members) were not 'fans' (God I hate that word!!) prior to June 25th has never been more than a fleeting thought in my head....but rather a lasting imprint on my heart because people like them have come to love and know the man we (his 'fans') have loved our entire lives.
This site provides all of us who do love Michael a place where we can discuss his 'death' and the investigation of it, but more importantly a place where we can 'come together'...which is something Michael tried to get people to do for his whole life. As a 'fan,' that makes me extremely happy and knowing that there are more and more people that are finally seeing Michael for who he always was, is something that any 'fan' should be really happy about.
This constant friction between pre-June 25th and post-June 25th 'fans' reminds me of my two daughters once asking me who I loved more between them. My answer to them was that I love them both equally, I have just loved one longer than the other. We all love Michael...how long we have loved him should take nothing away from the beauty of that love.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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I am sorry Mo, I thought I answered your question. I tried my best to answer it.
I am sorry if it was not the correct answer or the answer you expected.
I am really grateful to those who keep this site alive, really, I am very open and honest about this.
As you see though, I was not the only one who had questions about how you choose to state your mission on the first page here.
As about the "fan" thing, I also don't like this word because it doesn't say it all.
Well, it's obvious I am in love with his music, I adore his dance and I think he's the greatest entertainer, I really think that, in all honesty. So this makes me a fan I suppose.
But also, to my deepest regret, I found out what an extrordinary man he is - not only as an artist - only after June 25th. At the beggining I thought he was dead for real and the pain became unbearable to the point that I couldn't even breathe when thinking about it.... I was amazed of my own reaction....
In short, I've discovered the man we never knew, at least I think so, and that hit me so bad that I became more than just a fan. I suppose this happened to many, not only to me.
Now all the qualities a man can have are embodied in Michael for me :D maybe I project over him what I would like to see in all people....beauty, talent, generosity, care, inteligence, responsability, spirituality and so on....
Even if he's not like I imagine, even if it's all an illusion, the important thing is this illusion has the power to make a difference for a lot of people.
So we are not fans, so what are we? I like to think of us as a team.
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I am sorry Mo, I thought I answered your question. I tried my best to answer it.
I am sorry if it was not the correct answer or the answer you expected.
That was not what I meant Gina, it was the last sentence of your previous reply that made me realize that you still don't understand what our motives are. Had those been clear to you, you wouldn't have ended that reply with:
I don't know about you.
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I am sorry Mo, I thought I answered your question. I tried my best to answer it.
I am sorry if it was not the correct answer or the answer you expected.
I am really grateful to those who keep this site alive, really, I am very open and honest about this.
As you see though, I was not the only one who had questions about how you choose to state your mission on the first page here.
I will try to explain just one more time, after that I am done with this topic and you can think whatever you like.
I do not know Mike personally, but I think I have a good picture of how he is after 15 months of digging into his life. It is not that I never liked his music, I have always loved his music. But I never looked at the person, because in my world, artists are human beings that need their privacy as much as I need it. I admire way more artists besides him. He has been important for me, even though I have never met him and he never met me. Because of the last 15 months I have grown more on a spiritual and social level and I have learned to think for myself, instead of following someone else just like that, or simply ignore things that didn't add up. I learned more in those 15 months than I did in all those years of school. I admire his courage for doing this and I have huge respect for him. He is not doing this for himself, just to live a normal life, he is doing this for all of us. A person that would risk all this for others, earned my everlasting respect and gratitude and that person will get my support in any way he needs it. If you find that suspicious, be my guest.
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I am sorry Mo, I thought I answered your question. I tried my best to answer it.
I am sorry if it was not the correct answer or the answer you expected.
I am really grateful to those who keep this site alive, really, I am very open and honest about this.
As you see though, I was not the only one who had questions about how you choose to state your mission on the first page here.
I will try to explain just one more time, after that I am done with this topic and you can think whatever you like.
I do not know Mike personally, but I think I have a good picture of how he is after 15 months of digging into his life. It is not that I never liked his music, I have always loved his music. But I never looked at the person, because in my world, artists are human beings that need their privacy as much as I need it. I admire way more artists besides him. He has been important for me, even though I have never met him and he never met me. Because of the last 15 months I have grown more on a spiritual and social level and I have learned to think for myself, instead of following someone else just like that, or simply ignore things that didn't add up. I learned more in those 15 months than I did in all those years of school. I admire his courage for doing this and I have huge respect for him. He is not doing this for himself, just to live a normal life, he is doing this for all of us. A person that would risk all this for others, earned my everlasting respect and gratitude and that person will get my support in any way he needs it. If you find that suspicious, be my guest.
AMEN to that. Especially the part about learning more these past 15 months than all those years of school. PREACH ON sister! :lol: Because, seriously, that is sooooo true!
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if i may ;)
i think the girls are simply saying that they will defend to the bone the ideals that they believe that michael represents. that simple
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if i may ;)
i think the girls are simply saying that they will defend to the bone the ideals that they believe that michael represents. that simple
Not only his ideals, but the man himself as well. I think he deserves at least that, most definitely while there are still snakes out there trying to discredit him.
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Of course, it's all clear now :D
I am not as sure as others what he's doing, why he's doing what we suppose he is doing and I'm not even sure he's alive.
I'll take your word though :D
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Of course, it's all clear now :D
I am not as sure as others what he's doing, why he's doing what we suppose he is doing and I'm not even sure he's alive.
I'll take your word though :D
Read once again TS' posts, they will clear your mind... http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_revealed01.php (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/tiai_revealed01.php)
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if i may ;)
i think the girls are simply saying that they will defend to the bone the ideals that they believe that michael represents. that simple
Not only his ideals, but the man himself as well. I think he deserves at least that, most definitely while there are still snakes out there trying to discredit him.
Dito.
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During the last 15 months my english is getting much better and i understand most of the topics by reading everyday on the forum ,i should go and read also the french forums everyday so i learn to speak french to, and german and italian etc... :lol: :lol: :lol: i learned a lot of new words which i didnt learn on school ,thanks michael for bringin us here together from all over the world ... ;)
Special thanks to Mo and Souza offcourse ;)
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if i may ;)
i think the girls are simply saying that they will defend to the bone the ideals that they believe that michael represents. that simple
Not only his ideals, but the man himself as well. I think he deserves at least that, most definitely while there are still snakes out there trying to discredit him.
Dito.
and i think that is pretty much the sum of why most of the people who were not and perhaps still do not see themselves as fans are here. we don't all have to look at every aspect of this the same way in order to work together.
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I will try to explain just one more time, after that I am done with this topic and you can think whatever you like.
I do not know Mike personally, but I think I have a good picture of how he is after 15 months of digging into his life. It is not that I never liked his music, I have always loved his music. But I never looked at the person, because in my world, artists are human beings that need their privacy as much as I need it. I admire way more artists besides him. He has been important for me, even though I have never met him and he never met me. Because of the last 15 months I have grown more on a spiritual and social level and I have learned to think for myself, instead of following someone else just like that, or simply ignore things that didn't add up. I learned more in those 15 months than I did in all those years of school. I admire his courage for doing this and I have huge respect for him. He is not doing this for himself, just to live a normal life, he is doing this for all of us. A person that would risk all this for others, earned my everlasting respect and gratitude and that person will get my support in any way he needs it. If you find that suspicious, be my guest.
if i may ;)
i think the girls are simply saying that they will defend to the bone the ideals that they believe that michael represents. that simple
Not only his ideals, but the man himself as well. I think he deserves at least that, most definitely while there are still snakes out there trying to discredit him.
Ahh, I know I'm nutty and need my straight jacket ASAP, but something about these, Souza has me soaking my keyboard, the classical station that's on the radio is advertising their Christmas album, they're playing "Noel" and here I am crying like a fool amongst the Halloween decorations..! It always makes me a mush ball when I think of how he deserves the best, the best of everything, and he has some of the best defense with y'all..! Everyone here who defends him..!
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
I also think so.thanks
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
I also think so.thanks
You know what, so what if he did. What would that change for you?
Let's say for a second that it was true, Souza did start this forum in 2008 because MJ told her to. What happens from now on knowing this? How do things change for us? With this newly gained knowledge is he going to jump out from behind the bushes and say "Surprise! I'm back!" No. He's not. Would it mean that Souza has all the answers and isn't telling? Do you really believe that's possible? MJ giving full disclosure about his top secret masterpiece to a lowly webmaster is not likely. Maybe Souza is MJ. Do you believe THAT? Probably not. So even if you believe simply that Souza is "in on it"... isn't that a GOOD thing? Wouldn't that simply prove the ARG theory? Do you really want to ruin that?
On a side note, if that was true, and Souza was in charge of running the ARG aspect of the hoax, don't you think they'd change the date to make it post 6/25/09? Or start a new account AFTER the "death"? Massively elaborate top secret global media death hoax and they forget to change the ARG puppetmaster's join date from 2008. Right.
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
I also think so.thanks
You know what, so what if he did. What would that change for you?
Let's say for a second that it was true, Souza did start this forum in 2008 because MJ told her to. What happens from now on knowing this? How do things change for us? With this newly gained knowledge is he going to jump out from behind the bushes and say "Surprise! I'm back!" No. He's not. Would it mean that Souza has all the answers and isn't telling? Do you really believe that's possible? MJ giving full disclosure about his top secret masterpiece to a lowly webmaster is not likely. Maybe Souza is MJ. Do you believe THAT? Probably not. So even if you believe simply that Souza is "in on it"... isn't that a GOOD thing? Wouldn't that simply prove the ARG theory? Do you really want to ruin that?
On a side note, if that was true, and Souza was in charge of running the ARG aspect of the hoax, don't you think they'd change the date to make it post 6/25/09? Or start a new account AFTER the "death"? Massively elaborate top secret global media death hoax and they forget to change the ARG puppetmaster's join date from 2008. Right.
Bec, I hope you realized mine was just a sarcastic comment.
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Souza wrote: Because Mike called me and said "Yo Souze, gonna hoax ma death, better start a forum 'bout it so I can sneak in and see what y'all talk about."
Comment is funny, Souza, but I think you should add a few links to the twenty six threads where you have explained your "join date" to this forum. I tried, but Im too lazy to go through the 51 pages of "Souza 2008". :D
I also think so.thanks
You know what, so what if he did. What would that change for you?
Let's say for a second that it was true, Souza did start this forum in 2008 because MJ told her to. What happens from now on knowing this? How do things change for us? With this newly gained knowledge is he going to jump out from behind the bushes and say "Surprise! I'm back!" No. He's not. Would it mean that Souza has all the answers and isn't telling? Do you really believe that's possible? MJ giving full disclosure about his top secret masterpiece to a lowly webmaster is not likely. Maybe Souza is MJ. Do you believe THAT? Probably not. So even if you believe simply that Souza is "in on it"... isn't that a GOOD thing? Wouldn't that simply prove the ARG theory? Do you really want to ruin that?
On a side note, if that was true, and Souza was in charge of running the ARG aspect of the hoax, don't you think they'd change the date to make it post 6/25/09? Or start a new account AFTER the "death"? Massively elaborate top secret global media death hoax and they forget to change the ARG puppetmaster's join date from 2008. Right.
then i say we hunt her down and tickle her feet until she tell's us everything she knows :shock: :lol:
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Why so much sarcasm here?
Michael's message is LOVE, remember? It's all for LOVE, L.O.V.E. , in his own words.
I believe in love.
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Gina,
There is nothing wrong with your questions. They are just a healthy part of faith. I also see nothing wrong with people who are not fans of Michael having this site investigating Michael being alive and also defending him because it shows objectivity to the investigation and defense. Anyone can expect a fan to defend Michael and want to prove him to be alive. However, for people who are not fans to defend him and prove that he is alive just adds more to the objective nature of the evidence that those people produce. I'm not saying that what a fan says is not objective--just that there is likely to be more of an objective nature than a subjective nature to what a "non-fan" says than what a fan says, though you have told me that you are more than a fan (and I do believe that you are more than a fan). :)
I told that to somebody special, didn't know it was you :lol:
Sorry, with these different usernames sometimes it's hard to recognize people from one site on other sites.
Now I guess I think I know who you are :lol: .
I was wondering why you left michaeljackson.com all of a sudden (I hope I'm not mistaken, but if I do - I am sorry ).
Thank you all for your answers, but I still have to look for my own answer to this.
Love you Michael, wherever you are...here or in heaven
I haven't left michaeljackson.com. I've only been very busy lately. My computer is rather slow, especially on michaleljckson.com; but I have made new copy-and-paste posts from there to my Website.
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TS said that yesterday (10-10) would be a considerable day.
So nothing happened??
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Did TS say that? :shock:
From twitter:
genevievejaxn Genevieve Jackson
omg i totally didnt realize today is 10/10/10 ...today is a very special day :)
10 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply
Omer Michael Bhatti
LilMoonBoi Omer Michael Bhatti
Today is 10.10.10. Live in the moment.. and make it special!
10 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply
World Mental Health Day (International) is the one i can think about.
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Did TS say that? :shock:
From twitter:
genevievejaxn Genevieve Jackson
omg i totally didnt realize today is 10/10/10 ...today is a very special day :)
10 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply
Omer Michael Bhatti
LilMoonBoi Omer Michael Bhatti
Today is 10.10.10. Live in the moment.. and make it special!
10 Oct Favorite Retweet Reply
World Mental Health Day (International) is the one i can think about.
10:10:10
A Global Day of Doing
http://www.1010global.org/101010
10/10/10 mania: 'Divine time' or pagan 'divination'?
September 11, 2010 By Joe Kovacs
What is it about the No. 10?
We're born with 10 fingers and 10 toes, and Top 10 lists are ubiquitous these days.
Across America and the world, there's a rush among people planning to get married on the date, making it a busy 24 hours for those who perform wedding ceremonies.
And everyone is invited to take part in the "One Day on Earth" project, where participants will record video of anything they like Oct. 10 to culminate in a film documenting the human experience over a 24-hour period.
[youtube:2pl8s3j1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Nj72EZZvs[/youtube:2pl8s3j1]
"We are creating the first truly worldwide film, where each contributor can be publicly acknowledged in an open forum," said project founder Kyle Ruddick. "All are welcome to participate; the greater the quality and quantity of participation, the greater our impact on society."
But is there any significance to this triple-10 occurrence, known as a trinumeral? Some suggest there might be some sort of heavenly meaning, despite the fact our calendar today is based on one developed in the pagan Roman world.
"Throughout the Bible, specific numbers are utilized by God as well as Jesus in the New Testament," said Connie Lemacks-Davis of Long Beach, Calif., who calls 10/10/10 a "once-in-a-lifetime date that could very well represent a divine time or a divine day on God's calendar or God's clock."
She added, "Specific numbers have always been a part of God's divine plan. This date might just have a significant meaning or again, it may not. Of course, there is no way of knowing for sure."
Indeed, the Bible does feature numbers, and often links them with recurring themes.
The No. 10, for instance, is associated with completeness of order.
There's a famous example of the No. 10 being repeated in Scripture, and it has to do with the Ten Commandments, the set of laws etched in stone by God Himself to guide people in dealing with God and their fellow human beings.
(http://www.wnd.com/images2/suerenardtablets.jpg)
Many people are unaware the Ten Commandments actually had to be created twice, since Moses smashed the original set in anger upon discovering his fellow Israelites in rebellion against God.
"The LORD told Moses, 'Prepare two stone tablets like the first ones. I will write on them the same words that were on the tablets you smashed.'" (Exodus 34:1, New Living Translation)
Some other uses of the No. 10 in Scripture include the 10 plagues inflicted on Egypt shortly before the Exodus, 10 generations from Adam to Noah, and Jesus' parable of the ten virgins.
The No. 7 is also found hundreds of times in the Bible, and is often tied to spiritual perfection. Perhaps the most well-known use of it is God's creation of the seven-day weekly cycle, and his setting apart of the seventh day of the week as a time of rest.
Another frequently mentioned number is 40, and is usually associated with a time of testing or instruction.
It reflects how many days the rain fell upon Noah's Ark, the years the Israelites were tested by God in the wilderness before entering the Promised Land, the days Jesus fasted while being tempted by the devil, and the days Jesus spent on Earth personally instructing His disciples after He was raised from the dead and before His ascension back to heaven.
Psalm 40 is also the inspiration for the song "40" by Irish rock band U2 which often closes its concerts by putting Scripture to music with the opening lyric: "I waited patiently for the Lord. He inclined and heard my cry."
[youtube:2pl8s3j1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB4kxMj0-IE[/youtube:2pl8s3j1]
Though the Bible is replete with numbers, Scripture also warns against something called "divination," which is defined as "the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers."
One such condemnation is mentioned in the Book of Isaiah: "The LORD has rejected the people of Israel because they have made alliances with foreigners from the East who practice magic and divination, just like the Philistines." (Isaiah 2:6)
Some might consider attaching some godly significance to dates on our Roman calendar too close to divination for comfort.
One website analyzing the predictions concerning what might happen on 10/10/10 says most opinions are based on or are rooted in its mathematical uniqueness as a number, with three possible outcomes:
1. Something good happens – There is absolutely no scientific basis for this belief. There are no known logical premises for this belief. The belief that something good will happen is based solely on spiritualism, faith, and/or innate optimism. This belief is not necessarily a bad thing; we don't know everything; the probability is not zero.
2. Nothing happens – This is the most likely scenario. Just because an unusual date number sequence occurs doesn't mean that something will happen. Usually it's a non-event.
3. Something bad happens – There is absolutely no scientific basis for this belief. There are no known logical premises for this belief. The belief that something bad will happen is based solely on pessimism of reality. This belief is not necessarily false; after all, things are generally/usually a mess. The probability is not zero.
While the calendar event of 10/10/10 occurs once every century, you won't have to wait too long for another unique lineup, as Nov. 11, 2011, will make it 11/11/11, and then Dec. 12, 2012, will produce 12/12/12.
Just don't expect 13/13/13 to come around anytime soon.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=201181
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You must be kidding me Pauline :lol: :lol:
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You must be kidding me Pauline :lol: :lol:
I didn't make it up!
Google it, there was a rush on people getting married yesterday because it was a "lucky" day. :lol:
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Like everyone else involved in the MJ and Elvis hoaxes, I can’t give any certain dates for bam; I can only give possibilities. And at this point, don’t be too surprised if nothing major happens until after Eliza and/or Murray cases are done.
There are some interesting dates coming up: 10-10-10, Halloween, and November 5 (V for Vendetta); but as always, don’t put too much on any particular date.
;)
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Someone under name "TheDaedtonmi" appeared on you tube on 10.10.10 here is his channel http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDaedtonmi (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDaedtonmi) He says he is not MJ he just spreads his messages.
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Thank you for your post, TS!!!
Great job as always!
I'm not interested in $999 reward...but if anyone would like to waste it's time...he/she is welcome to demonstrate something that's imposible...
I like this question: "How much more do you want???" I'm afraid that for those "fans" - Michael himself will not be the greatest evidence ...they will continue saying that it's a duble or something... :( They are lost cases to me. It's imposible for each of us not to find a little proof that Michael is ALIVE and that's all a HOAX after all your crystal clear posts. Sorry, guys! You've accepted his "death" too soon!
I have an idea...if TS has a $999 reward for showing the coincidence...I have $777+$999 for that one who will demonstrate that Michael is dead. :lol: Good luck! :D :D
I also am not interested in the $999 or the $777 + $999. I'd much rather see Michael very much alive and well; and, after all the research that has already been done, I am perfectly confident that he is, indeed, alive and well. In fact, it is the knowledge that Michael is alive and well that keeps me from being badly depressed. I was just thinking, though, if any critics want to take the time to consider all the facts and take both TS and watawalu up on their challenges, there is a possibility of winning up to $2775. In these tough economic times, who couldn't use the rewards? But watawalu is right. Those who are dead set in their beliefs about Michael being dead will not try to prove the impossible. They will insist that we are seeing a double, and/or that we are wasting time, energy, etc. believing that he is alive (despite all the proof that he has given us all along). Every time a beLIEver starts a thread on the michaeljackson.com site, there is a risk of that thread being removed. So I have even started my own website (http://michaeljackson777.boardhost.com (http://michaeljackson777.boardhost.com)) to copy and paste the potentially deleted threads from the official site.
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@TS: the Link is up on the Elvis & MJ page: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvisandmj.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvisandmj.php)[/color]
I did not know where to post this.
Searching on the internet I came across some pics that made me wonder. I checked this http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... ctions.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/elvispresley_michaeljackson_connections.php) on this forum, and did not see a similar pic (i am posting it).
I have been an hour triying to find in the forum, with no success, the pic showing a parking sign when the PT Barnum circus arrived to town the night before the memorial on July 7th to compare to this one during Elvis funeral.
Just to point another "coincidence" :)
I have been reading all the similarities again and I am very surprised. This is insane :!:
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! Gema another coincidence! :o :shock: (So I have the face) :lol: :lol:
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! Gema another coincidence! :o :shock: (So I have the face) :lol: :lol:
I think that my eyes and mouth are bigger since the hoax started :o :shock: :lol:
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Gema I don't understand what similarity are you talking about :?
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http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaH ... 51hpSeaXRO (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4n3aKeaHZMh/Circus+Elephants+Arrive+Staples+Center+Hours/251hpSeaXRO)
The greatest show on earth
Is that a parking sign :? ?
but it does not look alike
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Was another sign with a man on its side.
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In my opinion TIAI is an oiled commercial machine existing of many people that do lots of research, specially research of the Jeh. Witness bible they refer too. They never refer to scrolls found after the Bible was written and that is rather naif.
TIAI keeps the interest in MJJ's return alive and even worse: the interest in Elvis's return alive. Their double BAMS.
Elvis is not going to return as an old man with an old voice. What purpose would that serve? And Michael Jackson will return when he likes to and not a minute earlier.
If he would like his fans to know he is def.still alive, he would have send a message, because if nobody has found him yet, nobody will find him after a message. He wants the world to believe he is no longer with us. That much is clear after such a long time.
The Illuminati theory is ridiculous and the numeroly often wrongly used.
It all comes down to one thing: How to keep people interested in Michael J. and keep the sales of anything concerning Michael J. going.
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Still I think tat MJ did send a message. The video Message of DR Conrad Murray.
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Still I think tat MJ did send a message. The video Message of DR Conrad Murray.
Yes it sounded very much like Michael :D
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Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the on the TMZ blog roll!
How can TMZ be against any message from where a huge traffic is directed back? TMZ validated TS with that blogroll and increase credibility, hence traffic, the more traffic here the more traffic there - money on TMZ. TMZ doesn't care about Michael's plans, they are just a tabloid using this hoax for their own interests, since when do we trust a tabloids well intentions? Upload some bs insignificant articles, "suggesting" clues, spreading some double meaning words here and there and done. They aren't even grateful to Michael's hoax to spare fans of hateful articles when they have the chance to.
Nothing is for free.
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Now why would TMZ put only this hoax forum on blog roll—which is also the only forum that TS posts on? If MJ and/or TMZ is against the TIAI messages: then this forum should NEVER be the on the TMZ blog roll!
How can TMZ be against any message from where a huge traffic is directed back? TMZ validated TS with that blogroll and increase credibility, hence traffic, the more traffic here the more traffic there - money on TMZ. TMZ doesn't care about Michael's plans, they are just a tabloid using this hoax for their own interests, since when do we trust a tabloids well intentions? Upload some bs insignificant articles, "suggesting" clues, spreading some double meaning words here and there and done. They aren't even grateful to Michael's hoax to spare fans of hateful articles when they have the chance to.
Nothing is for free.
TMZ has millions of readers each day, why would they go through all that trouble to gain maybe a thousand from here? That plus how did TMZ know waaaaaaaaaaaay before anyone else that he 'died'? Why would it be so hard to believe that Michael uses TMZ for HIS benefit?
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TMZ has millions of readers each day, why would they go through all that trouble to gain maybe a thousand from here?
But it's not trouble at all for them and if it's possible with no effort why not adding some money daily. And you have to admit this website is generating a lot of traffic to TMZ. They're making money of you and they are making money on this hoax a lot and you don't. BUt it's good you don't have ads here because you can't be subject to lawsuits.
how did TMZ know waaaaaaaaaaaay before anyone else that he 'died'?
Oh i didn't underestimate them, they're good at gossips. Yes, i'm sure they knew before that Jermaine was about to make a "death" announcement, TMZ is sure one good informed tabloid that is prooved...
Why would it be so hard to believe that Michael uses TMZ for HIS benefit?
For start, it's a tabloid... How could Michael trust a tabloid and acknowlegde them with his faked death? Why risking giving himself in their hands to journalists? And then in what way could Michael use TMZ?
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Some people think that only believers read TMZ articles. Non-believers and many other people read TMZ articles. TMZ was there already before MJ's so called death and they will be there after he BAMs too. It doesn't matter if you didn't know them before the 25th. They were there already. They didn't need to give out clues for a thousand believers as they have millions of readers already but they did. Why do you think TMZ is the first that makes MJ articles? Why is TMZ the one who published 333 pages of the FBI files? Why is TMZ the only one who gets into the Jackson mansion and makes the reports? If family doesn't like TMZ, why would they allow them to be the one and only medium to get the access to their houses and to make the interviews with them etc? People forget trying to see the big picture instead of focusing on the small part of it.
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And then in what way could Michael use TMZ?
TMZ would be a trusted trojan horse (trusted by copy & paste media).
Harvey being a lawyer would understand and use the loopholes provided.
When you leave your house for a sabbatical, you will not ask some dude from the street to keep an eye on your property.
You will ask someone who will understand where and when to water the flowers, how to stop the water tap, empty your mailbox and open and close the door with the proper key, someone who will know when the garbage bins are to be put on the street, how to feed the cat and what would be needed to be done if ever there would be a fire under the roof.
In short: you need someone who knows what to do in case, someone to play the game on your behalf.
If you control the initial messenger - and all others are kept dependent on their news - you will control the initiated avalanche.
TMZ are brickmen. So are NPG.
The only question remaining is: are they simple or double agents?
That's a question only Michael may answer.
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Some people think that only believers read TMZ articles. Non-believers and many other people read TMZ articles.
Non-believers started a real revolution long time ago on twitter against TMZ , it was even a trend, unsubscribe, unfollow and advice people to read tmz news from other sources, just not to do the magical click on their website. Of all tabloids, TMZ was the most active in Michael's defamation since this hoax.
TMZ would be a trusted trojan horse (trusted by copy & paste media).
The fact that the tabloid TMZ is used as a "source", show the low standards of journalism in our time. Michael had the power and the connections for a more serious media tool, this being my opinion of course.
http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/ ... oid-trash/ (http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/01/13/tmz-is-filthy-tabloid-trash/)
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Some people think that only believers read TMZ articles. Non-believers and many other people read TMZ articles.
Non-believers started a real revolution long time ago on twitter against TMZ , it was even a trend, unsubscribe, unfollow and advice people to read tmz news from other sources, just not to do the magical click on their website. Of all tabloids, TMZ was the most active in Michael's defamation since this hoax.
TMZ would be a trusted trojan horse (trusted by copy & paste media).
The fact that the tabloid TMZ is used as a "source", show the low standards of journalism in our time. Michael had the power and the connections for a more serious media tool, this being my opinion of course.
<!-- m -->http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/ ... oid-trash/ (http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/01/13/tmz-is-filthy-tabloid-trash/)<!-- m -->
If TMZ was the most active in Michael's defamation since this hoax started, why TMZ is the first source of this hoax and as per TS TMZ is in on it, but why TMZ is in on it if so? :icon_question: :icon_e_confused:
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Maybe Harvey suspects of that Michael is alive :icon_lol:
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Some people think that only believers read TMZ articles. Non-believers and many other people read TMZ articles.
Non-believers started a real revolution long time ago on twitter against TMZ , it was even a trend, unsubscribe, unfollow and advice people to read tmz news from other sources, just not to do the magical click on their website. Of all tabloids, TMZ was the most active in Michael's defamation since this hoax.
TMZ would be a trusted trojan horse (trusted by copy & paste media).
The fact that the tabloid TMZ is used as a "source", show the low standards of journalism in our time. Michael had the power and the connections for a more serious media tool, this being my opinion of course.
<!-- m -->http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/ ... oid-trash/ (http://www.filthytabloidtrash.com/2011/01/13/tmz-is-filthy-tabloid-trash/)<!-- m -->
If TMZ was the most active in Michael's defamation since this hoax started, why TMZ is the first source of this hoax and as per TS TMZ is in on it, but why TMZ is in on it if so? :icon_question: :icon_e_confused:
To keep their face as tabloid
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And then in what way could Michael use TMZ?
TMZ would be a trusted trojan horse (trusted by copy & paste media).
Harvey being a lawyer would understand and use the loopholes provided.
When you leave your house for a sabbatical, you will not ask some dude from the street to keep an eye on your property.
You will ask someone who will understand where and when to water the flowers, how to stop the water tap, empty your mailbox and open and close the door with the proper key, someone who will know when the garbage bins are to be put on the street, how to feed the cat and what would be needed to be done if ever there would be a fire under the roof.
In short: you need someone who knows what to do in case, someone to play the game on your behalf.
If you control the initial messenger - and all others are kept dependent on their news - you will control the initiated avalanche.
TMZ are brickmen. So are NPG.
The only question remaining is: are they simple or double agents?
That's a question only Michael may answer.
Grace, told you before, but it a pleasure saying it again, 'Oh How I do love the posts of thee' :smiley_abuv:
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meanwhile... Where did grace go?
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disregard, :icon_e_wink:
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Yes, where did Grace go? I miss her and her wisdom. Great words looking back at that - and oh, so true.
TMZ may be a tabloid but IMO Harvey has done his part to push forward Michael's innocence in a way that doesn't look blatant yet other tabloids run with it. But, as always, time will tell.
Blessings
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disregard, :icon_e_wink:
Why? Do you know where Grace is?
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I'm sure she is still around here.
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I will be away for a while - hope the 8 ball will not drop in the meantime....
Keep it frozen, guys, I don't wanna miss the party LOL
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disregard, :icon_e_wink:
Why? Do you know where Grace is?
Grace is ellyd (If I'm not mistaken! )
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I'm sure Grace come back here !! (http://smileys.sur-la-toile.com/repository/Content/a_plain.gif)
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disregard, :icon_e_wink:
Why? Do you know where Grace is?
Grace is ellyd (If I'm not mistaken! )
Yes she is.