Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
General Michael Jackson Forum => Random MJ Talk => Topic started by: BabyShine on September 03, 2010, 06:11:01 AM
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I didnt know where to post this but I just felt like sharing my feelings...I was one of the strongger believers from the start, and now i slowly come to the fact that we might have just been manipulated....There are very strong evidences that something not normal was going on the months after Michael passed, but now, now what? When I read the forums or watch the hoaxers videos which i used to find good, all the recent one are just turing round in circles and trying to keep up our theories out of NOTHING. Its been few months now that we've had NOTHING REAL to keep us believing, nothing. Ive been trying to understand the propheties of TS but so many things dont make sense to me, and many times he was talking like BAM was near (last january and June I think...dont remember), he was almost writing like he knew and it was for sure and...nothing.
Maybe Miche died before June 25th and the family staged all this to keep the legacy alive. I dont know. I dont understand. To me, the hoax made sense as long as we kept having real signs from MJ supposly appearing here or there, or some other more cosistat clues than what we had today. Now it feels like we re left alone, nothing s on, we cant even say anymore that some stuff are weird, it almost seems like his death is already an old story, that nobody really cares about it, and whatever Michael s pla would have been-a moovie or a way to get attention for his message- I dont see how it can work that way, with absolutely NOTHING to entertai at least the believers hope. Where should he be? What should he be doing? A moovie? Out of what now? Filming the words of poeple going crazy on this forum? I feel so so disapointed. I still dont understand what this all meant, but something is defently not right.
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Hi BabyShine,
I understand your feelings, but maybe you should keep in mind that all the videos around the net are just hoaxers' theories....You should trust the real facts, i.e. the death certificate, the autopsy report and so on...
I believe that the time is not right yet. If Michael is still hidden is for a serious reason...He told it himself : "Let me breath in my own time before I come back in" :)
Please, don't lose faith cos we have prooves enough to know he's alive...Just don't focus on an imminent comeback, it's not woth it ;)
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I understand exactly how you feel. The whole theory aspect just throws things off for some people (including me). Try looking purely at the hard facts, the evidence.. Hopefully that will restore your faith. Take care ;)
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I loose faith too....untill there come such kind of signs...like DD on LK, than Hatman, than the Halloween event with Liz Taylor....but since January it gets less...some "news" come and go....some evnetns come and go like the sunflower thing...the daed or alive counter at TMZ.
So many ppl go away....where is Grace ? where Kenny, where Tohme, where DD, where Marlon Brando ?
There are so much more who are playing the game in the first months and now...nothing more.
Most of the video's are not to see in germany.
I am tired...but i have leared about the NWO and Illuminati and my sight of the world politic has changed and will stay.
I don't believe in a comeback. :cry:
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Hi BabyShine,
I understand your feelings, but maybe you should keep in mind that all the videos around the net are just hoaxers' theories....You should trust the real facts, i.e. the death certificate, the autopsy report and so on...
I believe that the time is not right yet. If Michael is still hidden is for a serious reason...He told it himself : "Let me breath in my own time before I come back in" :)
Please, don't lose faith cos we have prooves enough to know he's alive...Just don't focus on an imminent comeback, it's not woth it ;)
Since the beginning I only looked at the real facts, with the hoaxers videos I just meant that in the beginning they were all so interestig because there was so many evidences, and now when you take a look at them over the Interet they just reflect that we have nothing at all anymore to keep the faith.
I know about the death certificate and the middle name thing...but what if the family manipulates us to keep the legacy alive?? Thats what is i my head right now. Because all the main were coming from them. The one and only thing that will make me hope maybe one more year is Dave Dave at Larry King, this is really the only thing where I cannot think one second that this wasnt Michael in disguise. The eyes, the voice, the ways of moving and talking...ad also, this person looked like someone having fun, very at ease in front of the cameras and not like someoe talking about a painful loss...But if Michael lives, why the hell did we have so may evidences ad suddenly nothing at all for several months?? It's ot even funny anymore.
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Hi BabyShine:
Each of us at one point in time or another this past year have felt how you are now feeling,there is absolutely nothing wrong in feeling the way you do.Always remember and keep it in your mind for the tough times ahead that what matters most in your life doesn't always come easy and it takes time.As the others stated we have the real proof as we know it in the DC and the autopsy report among other clues scattered here and there by various people.No not everything is a clue but some are and very important ones and we hold onto those like a life line.
I know I for one only saw Michael Jackson as an entertainer before he 'died' but since his death I have been honored to learn in various ways who Michael Jackson 'the man' is,not was but is.I have learned alot in this past year about Michael Jackson that I never would have known if he were here today right in front of us.No matter what the reason is for him faking his death only he knows until he is ready to let the world know and until then I personally will continue to keep the faith and will know along with the rest of the world that Michael Jackson does inddeed still live.For right now he lives in each and every one of our hearts and has become a part of our daily lives.In the end don't stop living yourself until he reappears.Continue to live your own life and help do in this world what Michael has been trying to tell all of us for years,then before you know it we will all,each and every one of us have the opportunity to be able to tell our families and friends 'I told you so'.You just have to BELIEVE :) and have FAITH...Gods Blessings Michele
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Hi BabyShine I wanted to post the same message as you ... you took my words ... I share the same point of view ! If Michael is still alive he should show us at least for us the real believers a sign. " I want to play with them ... " I would say it's not any more a game as this hoax takes too much time and I will add that non believers are laughing at us but let's hope that there is a real reason behind. Time will tell us the truth ...
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Totally agree about the hoax videos, they take over-analysing to a new level. I guess that's why JonellStar stopped making hoax videos, her's were the best. Also agree about the family trying to keep the hoax theory alive to somehow. It keeps the interest alive which means more money. The same goes for the fact that some family members keep insisting Michael was a drug addict right before he died. If they can somehow make it look like Michael was AEG would probably need to pay up. It's probably all about money in the end, sadly it would be the most realistic answer to all the weirdness IMO.
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Thank you Michelle for your words, you're probably right, Im not stopping my life though but what should I say? It's very important for me to know wether he s dead or alive just because ive been spendig months and hours ivestigating ad now im just fed up, I wana know the truth...
Like some of you, Michael was always very special to me but I really uderstood what he really was about since June 2009. I always knew he was more than an entertainer but now since this hoax it took everythig in my head to a higher, spiritual level. i am not a fanatic or aythig of this kind, but I really believe God sent him on earth to spread a message of love and peace, and this makes me realize how a great loss it would be for us...If he s really dead, omg, it would just be terrible. It would mean a world without hope, for me. I dont need to meet him or see him or talk to him (even tyhoguh id love to!), but I need to know he s somehwrere there wth us, I need to know there is at least oe person like him on earth.
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Dont think of it as "faith" in one particular belief or theory.
Think of this as a journey to the truth... the truth is out there and we WILL uncover it eventually.
The way i play it is to have an open mind to all possibilities. I accepted a long time ago that MJ could be dead and this is a murder conspiracy or a cover up of some sorts.
Certainly people are not telling the truth.
But.. be he alive or dead... we will get the truth and closure in the end.
I think this is the best way, not to have tunnel vision and not to look for clues for one particular theory. Make your own mind up and be prepared for this to become emotional once the trial starts.. one way or another, that trial is the key.
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you know what, this site was good for me so far this year as far as getting past the grief and has really helped move me past depression but reality tells me that MJ's really gone and all the wishful thinking in the world will not bring him back... :( but I am ready to be my normal social self again, where as after MJ passed I was ready to shut everyone out but I'm good now... I made it through all the anniversaries, and I think the healing process has begun... :)
Thank you friends ;)
and we can always talk on twitter: realladytee
youtube: teerockjelli
myspace: teerockjelli
or just PM on here :lol:
PEACE
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I swore to myself that if he didnt come back by his birthday this year then I would give up. It would be over for me. But ive been in this too long now. Too much thought has been put into it. Its like a never-ending rollercoaster of ups and downs, and Michael is the only one who can end it. In one way or another it can only be him. :/
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I"M OUTTA HERE!!
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I have long said, and I will still say, he reserves the right to shock and surprise even US, the hoaxers.
Like we can out smart him. HA.
Like we can predict his next move. HA.
Like we can prove the hoax to anyone. HAHA HA.
He is teaching us a lesson too you know.
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Dont think of it as "faith" in one particular belief or theory.
Think of this as a journey to the truth... the truth is out there and we WILL uncover it eventually.
The way i play it is to have an open mind to all possibilities. I accepted a long time ago that MJ could be dead and this is a murder conspiracy or a cover up of some sorts.
Certainly people are not telling the truth.
But.. be he alive or dead... we will get the truth and closure in the end.
I think this is the best way, not to have tunnel vision and not to look for clues for one particular theory. Make your own mind up and be prepared for this to become emotional once the trial starts.. one way or another, that trial is the key.
You poor thing.....you are desperate for that trial, and it keeps getting delayed. :lol: :lol: :lol: Hang in there, I'm right there with ya. Gotta get that % up girl!!!!!!!!! :mrgreen:
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BabyShine, I could have written your post, word by word...I feel the same.
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Well thanx to all who feel the same, its nice not to feel alone:)
I dont think the trial is the key, the trial is bullshit, either Michael hoaxed his death and Murray will never come to jail, or Michael has been murdered and Murray is protected and will never be charge as well. There is nothing to wait for with this damn trial. But one thing is for sure, I will never believe i the "accident" theory.
Have we been manipulating from the Jackson Family right from the start? This is so depressing those ups and downs...
Yesterday I talkd to a friend of mine working for the LAPD, he was there for the funeral and told me that the city of LA paid millions just to cover the event because they hired so many security ad policemen. Thats why he, for example, cant believe in a hoax, Michael would be sued for sure if he would ever come back!! I thought from the start everrything was fake and staged, an donly beteween MJ and the medias, like I thought the trial we saw live were also fake and pre recoreded...But now I hear that the city and government are paying so much to cover those kind of stuff so guys, its not a joke anymore, it really looks serious!!!!and again, this is so depressing!!!
BTW, my friend saw the family arrivig (except for the brothers sisters and parents) and told me that they looked damn serious and sad. He also told me that many journalists from many countries were allowed inside. So I now cant help but questioning the fact that it was somth private and staged just wth the few poeple who knew.
What do you think?
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Problem is that so many things can be manipulated...even things that we base our research on. For instance: do we have a proof that the city really paid the bills? It may be true, it may not. If this is a hoax then I'm sure it could be solved easily: the city pays officially but the money comes from the Jacksons, get my point? We have no proof at all. It's what the media says and as Joe put it: media twists everything. And even if the city did pay, once MJ is back, they could pay them back I suppose if they haven't done that already...
Truth is, anything can be solved if you have money. Sadly enough. Money can kill you or it can save your life. Let's hope the 2nd one applies to MJ.
As for the sad faces: I would need to see pictures. But from what we've seen so far, I haven't seen any seriously sad, crying faces, distorted with pain, puffy and all that I'd expect from the family if MJ died!!!!! Only fans were like that when he died. So some supposedly sad faces from the family after one year - doesnt prove anything to me.
And the kids look HAPPY all the time!!!!
It's normal to feel down sometimes, this is very exhausting and frustrating at the same time. But then you go watch DD on LKL and the hope and faith is sparked again. It's probably better to take a break if you're really losing faith, re-gain energy by focusing on something else, and then come back to start again. But what we need to do is really support each other and stick together because that's what MJ wants us to do. It's all for him and it's all for L.O.V.E. ;)
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Well thanx to all who feel the same, its nice not to feel alone:)
Yesterday I talkd to a friend of mine working for the LAPD, he was there for the funeral and told me that the city of LA paid millions just to cover the event because they hired so many security ad policemen. Thats why he, for example, cant believe in a hoax, Michael would be sued for sure if he would ever come back!!
Michael's estate paid for the whole thing, your friend is incorrect. Which means you can go right ahead and keep believeing ;)
Michael has the best lawyers money can buy, don't you think? Legalities have been ensured, don't you worry.
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Yes, the Estate reimbursed the City of L.A. for any expenses incurred.
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@chloead505: the friend I have who worked for the LAPD at the funeral was paid by his normal employer, the city of LA, so this is not about the media lying to us. I was just surprised when he said so because I was maybe being naive, but until now I thought all the poeple we saw at court etc. and "involved" in the hoax were somehow actors, not real cops. I was also wondering back then how could so many poeple be playing in this, but I ended up thinking maybe Michael has an amount of poeple involved there who disguised themselves as well and can play different roles. Anyway.
Now the real question is: how do you guys know that the MJ Estate paid back the city of LA? Is it something official that we know? Because this friend told me he felt like all the cops of LA were called to work there (just to say how much they were), so millions must have been involved...And what I don't get...They hated Michael in america, think of Tom Sneddon and all those bastards, why would the ones who were part of his destruction would have now accepted to be part of this hoax???? Esp. if one of Mj's goal was to take his revenge, which i strongly believe! It doesnt make sense to me at all that they would now be on his side and help him faking all this just for money...a bit too big to swallow for me. They just hated him, and to me it was clear that "This is it", his big project, was to show us how the real world is working against us (government, medias etc.) and how we should wake up and stay focused on anything we could do to save the world.
I agree that watching DD is the only thing that can make me smile and be like "no way, no matter what he is alive because thats so much him". :lol: Still, the hoax is getting real boring , thats a fact, and im about to give up....no more clues, no more fun, no more "maybe its Michael in disguise" anywhere.
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@chloead505: the friend I have who worked for the LAPD at the funeral was paid by his normal employer, the city of LA, so this is not about the media lying to us. I was just surprised when he said so because I was maybe being naive, but until now I thought all the poeple we saw at court etc. and "involved" in the hoax were somehow actors, not real cops. I was also wondering back then how could so many poeple be playing in this, but I ended up thinking maybe Michael has an amount of poeple involved there who disguised themselves as well and can play different roles. Anyway.
Now the real question is: how do you guys know that the MJ Estate paid back the city of LA? Is it something official that we know? Because this friend told me he felt like all the cops of LA were called to work there (just to say how much they were), so millions must have been involved...And what I don't get...They hated Michael in america, think of Tom Sneddon and all those bastards, why would the ones who were part of his destruction would have now accepted to be part of this hoax???? Esp. if one of Mj's goal was to take his revenge, which i strongly believe! It doesnt make sense to me at all that they would now be on his side and help him faking all this just for money...a bit too big to swallow for me. They just hated him, and to me it was clear that "This is it", his big project, was to show us how the real world is working against us (government, medias etc.) and how we should wake up and stay focused on anything we could do to save the world.
I agree that watching DD is the only thing that can make me smile and be like "no way, no matter what he is alive because thats so much him". :lol: Still, the hoax is getting real boring , thats a fact, and im about to give up....no more clues, no more fun, no more "maybe its Michael in disguise" anywhere.
I understand your dismay, believe me. But I don't think the hoax is actually supposed to be entertaining and fun, you know. It's serious business and Mike had a serious reason to do it. I know that you probably meant fun as in the excitement when finding new clues but still, it's natural that the hoax gets into a stage when it's already clear to all of us that MJ is alive, most clues have been discovered and now it's more about wait and see. But there are still new things coming up that need to be looked at and that deserve our attention. For example I'm really excited about the release of the full version of the TII Earth song video which nobody's ever seen before. Someone also suggested that something important might happen on Oct 29th: well if nothing else, Bec's maths show that repeating pattern of the 70-day periods starting from the "death". According to his counting (hats down), another 70-day period actually does hit Oct 29th. Another interesting info: the Dangerous album being recorded from June 25th 1990 to Oct 29th 1991???
Personally I think those are significant proofs that something might be up in Oct this year. Besides, I'm sure the release of the new album by Sony is another "bait" and we need to keep our eyes open.
So my advice to you: relax a bit, don't strain yourself to be excited 24/7 it's not possible anyway and the exhaustion would just get you depressed. We need to stay cool and be patient. We simply need to wait, no matter how long it takes because it's "all gonna come out eventually" and I'm sure it'll be worth the wait. The worst mistake is to expect something big to happen soon. The hoax is a giant project and the end of it must be carefully planned. And an early end would screw everything.
As for your concern how some many ppl could be involved (like policemen etc.)...I don't think those people aren't real cops and officials. It all comes from the top. It's totally sufficient if you've got someone at the top working for you and the rest is just hierarchy chain, those people wouldn't have a clue about anything that's going on, being it a hoax or anything else. But I personally don't see a reason why we shouldn't believe that the Jacksons paid for everything. To me it makes perfect sense, sure it was expensive as hell but now they got all the money back and they knew they would get it. So I wouldn't worry about that. Your friend is surely saying the truth but that doesnt mean anything for the hoax. I think only very few people are involved, otherwise sooner or later it would burst. The rest of them are left believing he really died cause that's actually the only way you can get away with it: make possibly everyone believe you died.
Don't give up, Mike needs you and we need you too. L.O.V.E. and BeLIEve, remember? ;)
Blessings.
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Totally agree wth you on the fact that you just need someone on the top to tell others to do so...and others dont necesseralry need to know why and being aware of the hoax. What I highly doubt though, is that someone on top with a huge inflouence over the city of LA and the police was on it to help Michael...I cant help but remembering how bad they all were to him, how the police destoyed him by doing their shit in Neverland...If he was close enough to someone so powerful "on top" of the police, then why didnt this person help all those bad things from happeing back then? I really miss something.
And yes, about the fun you know what I mean, i was talking about the excitment and the game it was for us to find out about clues, but of course, Michael is a genius and I know he would have never ever hurt so many fans and poeple just for something personnal (a huge advertisment for a ew album comin out or smth like that) or a reason that isnt worth it.
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Right. That was my point. And of course, we go to the stage when it can't be so exciting every day, although I still think that we haven't discovered many things yet and things keep on happening still. Anyway.
I just wanted to say that I didn't mean to imply that Mike actually did have someone at the top to take care of business in LA. I just wanted to explain to you that the pure fact that normal, real people may be involved in what's happening, just doing their jobs without knowing anything about the hoax, is absolutely normal. It MUST be kept a secret, you understand. If too many people knew, the hoax would blow up just like that. So, don't get distracted by that. I simply think that the Jacksons paid for everything and it seems as a natural thing to do to me, why should the city of LA pay for it anyway? It's tax money, in the end. So I don't see anything strange there.
We must focus on the fact that MJ is alive and will need us when he's back, so we'd better be ready ;)
Hoped it helped a bit. Keep the faith!
L.O.V.E.