Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on August 30, 2010, 02:16:18 PM
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Michael Jackson's Brother Pays Tribute on Birthday (http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/30/michael-jackson-birthday-randy-jackson-forest-lawn-dead/)
8/30/2010 10:12 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Randy Jackson -- along with a slew of fans -- visited Forest Lawn cemetery yesterday to commemorate what would have been Michael Jackson's birthday.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/08/30/0830-randy-jackson-x17-credit.jpg)
He would have been 52.
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He would have been 52.
The second time they wrote this, why?
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Why is he standin outside with the fans? They wouldn't let him inside??
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Hmmm ... I did not like that image ... :?
Sounds like confirmation of a death?? Or just support and comfort for the fans??
Why he went to FL :?: :?: :?:
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Randy Jackson Visits Forest Lawn On Brother Michael's Birthday (video)
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Randy Jackson paid tribute to his brother Michael yesterday on what would have been the King of Pop's 52nd birthday.
Jackson, who arrived at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale with a bouquet of flowers, took time to greet the hundreds of fans who showed up to remember his legendary brother.
When it comes to why an intervention wasn't successful to save Michael, Randy tells X17online exclusively:
"I don't think anybody expected this to happen. You always think 'I could have done this, I could've done that,' but it's too late now. I don't think anybody was expecting this."
As for whether Dr. Murray will be held responsible for Michael's death, Jackson adds:
"I'm not real crazy about some of the things I read ... some of the things he says. I have good faith in our courts and judicial system, so I think justice will be served."
Randy admits, "I'm going to leave it in God's hands."
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Hmmm ... I did not like that image ... :?
Sounds like confirmation of a death?? Or just support and comfort for the fans??
Why he went to FL :?: :?: :?:
oh pleease, he is NOT dead..! and Someone has to do the dirty job...
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Hmmm ... I did not like that image ... :?
Sounds like confirmation of a death?? Or just support and comfort for the fans??
Why he went to FL :?: :?: :?:
oh pleease, he is NOT dead..! and Someone has to do the dirty job...
:lol:
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Michael Jackson's Brother Pays Tribute on Birthday (http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/30/michael-jackson-birthday-randy-jackson-forest-lawn-dead/)
8/30/2010 10:12 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Randy Jackson -- along with a slew of fans -- visited Forest Lawn cemetery yesterday to commemorate what would have been Michael Jackson's birthday.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/08/30/0830-randy-jackson-x17-credit.jpg)
He would have been 52.
The DOTS in this article are in regards to Anthropological Global Warming and the brain-washing of entire generations in regards to this unsubstantiated theory.
MJB - Mary J. Blige
Mary J. Blige Teams With NASA To Promote STEM To Women
Friday, August 20, 2010
Kind of an odd pairing, but maybe it'll work, or at least, draws attention.
Superstar Mary J. Blige has teamed up with NASA to promote more women into STEM careers. Here's a brief synopsis accompanying the video:
In this second of two public service announcements, award-winning recording artist Mary J. Blige appears with veteran NASA space shuttle astronaut Leland Melvin to encourage young women to expand their career choices by studying science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM). Both PSAs are now on NASA TV and the agency's website at: http://www.nasa.gov (http://www.nasa.gov). NASA's Summer of Innovation (SoI) project and Blige's Foundation for the Advancement of Women Now (FFAWN) both show students the many possibilities available if they follow their dreams and reach for the stars.
http://physicsandphysicists.blogspot.com/2010/08/mary-j-blige-teams-with-nasa-to-promote.html
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NASA Ames Research Center
NASA Ames delivers a wide variety of STEM programs addressing K-12 as well as... To address the under-representation of minorities in STEM fields.
http://researchpark.arc.nasa.gov/docs/EBSReport_2010.pdf
STEM
The acronym S.T.E.M. stands for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. The STEM fields are those academic and professional disciplines that fall under the umbrella areas represented by the acronym. This article will describe areas of specialty that could be considered STEM areas. The example will be followed by supporting information from the National Science Foundation and the United States Department of Labor and some references to STEM-related careers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The article will conclude with information on the economic role played by a STEM-savvy workforce.
STEM Fields and Politics
The science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields are collectively considered core technological underpinnings of an advanced society, according to both the National Research Council and the National Science Foundation. In many forums (including political/governmental and academic) the strength of the STEM workforce is viewed as an indicator of a nation's ability to sustain itself. Maintaining a citizenry that is well versed in the STEM fields is a key portion of the public education agenda of the United States of America. Substantial lobbying is underway in Washington, DC to raise awareness of STEM education issues.
American Competitiveness Initiative
In the State of the Union Address on January 31, 2006, United States President George W. Bush announced the American Competitiveness Initiative. Bush proposed the initiative to address shortfalls in federal government support of educational development and progress at all academic levels in the STEM fields . In detail, the initiative called for significant increases in federal funding for advanced R&D programs (including a doubling of federal funding support for advanced research in the physical sciences through DOE) and an increase in U.S. higher education graduates within STEM disciplines.
In 2006, the United States National Academies expressed their concern about the declining state of STEM education in the United States. Its Committee on Science, Engineering and Public Policy developed a list of 10 actions federal policy makers could take to advance STEM education in the United States to compete successfully in the 21st century. Their top three recommendations were to:
* increase America’s talent pool by improving K-12 science and mathematics education;
* strengthen the skills of teachers through additional training in science, math and technology; and
* enlarge the pipeline of students prepared to enter college and graduate with STEM degrees.
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration also has implemented programs and curricula to advance STEM education in order to replenish the pool of scientists, engineers and mathematicians who will lead space exploration in the 21st century.
The NASA Means Business competition, sponsored by the Texas Space Grant Consortium, furthers that goal. College students compete to develop promotional plans to encourage students in middle and high school to study STEM subjects and to inspire professors in STEM fields to involve their students in outreach activities that support STEM education.
The National Science Foundation has numerous programs in STEM education, including some for K-12 students such as the ITEST Program that supports The Global Challenge Award ITEST Program
The STEM Education Coalition
"The Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) Education Coalition works to support STEMhttp://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... 0&p=230067 (http://STEMhttp://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/posting.php?mode=quote&f=50&p=230067) programs for teachers and students at the U. S. Department of Education, the National Science Foundation, and other agencies that offer STEM related programs."
The America COMPETES Act of 2007
Measures of Effectiveness
Robert Gabrys, Director of Education at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center articulated success as increased student achievement, early expression of student interest in STEM subjects,and student preparedness to enter the workforce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEM_fields
Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics Education Research Group
Speakers:Tom Austin, Cassondra Giombetti
Topic: Global Warming
Global Warming is one among many potentially LARGE environmental problems facing Humanity in the coming century. There are others of equal weight that aren't receiving as much public attention. In the case of global warming in particular, we have begun to see responses by government, non-profit, business and design communities. This meeting is organized as an action oriented meeting that will have participants engaged in discussion and, ideally, will end with some personal commitment to do something. The meeting will be guided by the following questions:
1. are there individual responsibility, democratic and/orethical imperatives for human beings to respond,
2. is there a role theeducational community can/must play, and if yes, what is it,
3. what can the Penn GSE community do and
4. what can each us of commit to deliver over the coming semester?
http://sites.google.com/site/stemgse/Home/coming-meeting/meetings
STEM Connections
June 10, 2010, Vol. 1, #10
Brought to you by PITSCO Education!
http://www.iteaconnect.org/Publications/STEMconnections/STEMconnections6-10.htm
PTB - Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt
The Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB) is based in Braunschweig and Berlin. It is the national institute for natural and engineering sciences and the highest technical authority for metrology and physical safety engineering in Germany.
Part of its brief is the accurate measurement of time. It is responsible for the German atomic clock DCF77. They are also responsible for the certification of voting machines for the German federal and European elections.
History
The PTB was originally founded in 1887 as the Physikalisch-Technische Reichsanstalt (PTR) – 'the Reich Physical and Technical Institute'. The goal of the organization was supervising and directing calibration and establishing metrological standards. Research areas included spectroscopy, photometry, electrical engineering, and cryogenics. Werner von Siemens was instrumental in its establishment. Until 1934, the PTR was under the Reichsinnenministerium – the Reich Interior Ministry - and then under Reichserziehungsministerium – the Reich Education Ministry.
The Institute’s board of directors included Heinrich Konen and Walther Nernst circa 1930, Albert Einstein (1917 – 1933), Ludwig Prandtl, and Max Planck, as well as representative from Siemens AG, Krupp, and Zeiss. Its presidents were:
* Hermann von Helmholtz (1887 – 1892)
* Friedrich Kohlrausch (1892 – 1905)
* Walther Nernst (1922 – 1924)
* Friedrich Paschen (1924 – 1933)
* Johannes Stark (1933 – 1939)
* Abraham Esau (1939 – 1945).
Max von Laue was the physics advisor 1925 – December 1933.
The Institute had 292 employees 1932 and 443 in 1937. By 1942 there were over 500. After 1945, the Institute was renamed to the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt – the Federal Physical and Technical Institute.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Physikalisch-Technische+Bundesanstalt
http://Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt - website
http://www.ptb.de/
Nazi Germany Nuclear Energy Program
The German nuclear energy project in Nazi Germany, informally known as the Uranverein (Uranium Club), began in April 1939, just months after the discovery of nuclear fission in January 1939.
The most influential people in the Uranverein were Kurt Diebner, Abraham Esau, Walther Gerlach, and Erich Schumann; Schumann was one of the most powerful and influential physicists in Germany. Diebner, throughout the life of the nuclear energy project, had more control over nuclear fission research than did Walther Bothe, Klaus Clusius, Otto Hahn, Paul Harteck, or Werner Heisenberg. Abraham Esau was appointed as Hermann Göring’s plenipotentiary for nuclear physics research in December 1942; Walther Gerlach succeeded him in December 1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nuclear_energy_project
Since I don't read German and am not really aware of this organization, I can only assume that they work with the IPCC in the false information we have been transmitted about Anthropological Global Warming (man-made).
RH - Relative Humidity
Relative humidity is a term used to describe the amount of water vapor that exists in a gaseous mixture of air and water vapor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_humidity
Water Vapour
Water Vapour is the gas phase of water. Water vapor is one state of water within the hydrosphere. Water vapor can be produced from the evaporation of boiling liquid water or from the sublimation of ice. Under typical atmospheric conditions, water vapor is continuously generated by evaporation and removed by condensation. Water vapor is lighter than air and triggers convection currents that can lead to clouds. Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas.
We can not control the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere.
Water vapour worse climate change villain than thought
11:11 02 February 2010 by Shanta Barley
A rise in water vapour in the atmosphere fuelled 30 per cent of the global warming that took place during the 1990s. This discovery suggests that the potent greenhouse gas plays a bigger role in climate change that we previously imagined.
Susan Solomon and colleagues at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration combined satellite measurements and weather balloon data to track changes in the concentration of water vapour 16 kilometres up in the stratosphere, between the 1980s and today.
Water vapour levels in the stratosphere increased in the 1990s but dropped by 10 per cent in 2001. After feeding their measurements into a climate model, the team suggests that vapour was to blame for almost a third of the warming that happened in the 1990s.
The model also suggests that the decline in water vapour concentrations that occurred in 2001 slowed down the rate of global warming in the last decade by 25 per cent.
"This research does not change the consensus view that human emissions drive climate change," says Fortunat Joos, a climate modeller at the University of Bern, Switzerland.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18457-water-vapour-worse-climate-change-villain-than-thought.html
But it should change the view of this whole situation and obviously the debate isn't over as Al Gore claims. Put this together with "Climategate" and it becomes apparent that we are being lied to about man's activities being responsible for Global Warming.
Global Cooling and The Carbon Dioxide Global Warming Hoax
Global warming is a hoax. We are now in a global cooling cycle. Many scientists and fossil fuel global warming skeptics have cited excellent scientific reasons why the fossil fuel carbon alleged reason for dioxide global warming is a hoax. Please refer to Related Links. Examples are that burning fossil fuels and carbon dioxide from industry and automobiles are insignificant compared to the carbon dioxide from the oceans. Carbon dioxide is only 0.04 percent of the Earth's atmosphere and has little or no effect on the temperature of the Earth. Another proof of deception is that the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide is negligible compared to water vapor in the atmosphere as a result of the increased temperature of the ocean. More scientific proof of the fossil fuel global warming misinformation is that while the surface of the Earth and oceans are heated by the Sun, the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere is primarily caused by the temperature of the ocean. The temperatures of Jupiter, Mars and our oceans are also increasing because of Jupiter's, Earth's, Mars and the Sun's magnetic fields, and not because humans are putting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Jupiter is the main cause of global warming.
It so happens that the atmosphere of Mars is over 95 percent carbon dioxide! Yet Mars has no greenhouse affect whatsoever. The temperature of Mars ranges from plus 20 - 40 F during the day to minus 400 F during the night. The almost pure carbon dioxide atmosphere of Mars does not hold the heat at night that is produced by the radiation of the sun during the day. To justify the 0.038 percent level of carbon dioxide on earth as greenhouse effect, scientists promoting global warming claim that nitrogen and oxygen in the air (approximately 79 percent and 21 percent respectively) are diatomic and therefore cannot store heat energy, while carbon dioxide is triatomic. They conveniently overlook the fact the H2O is also triatomic and ranges from about 20 percent to 100 percent relative humidity. This gives water vapor thousands of times more heat storage ability than the extremely low level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
The atmosphere of Mars is 95.32 percent carbon dioxide; yet the temperature goes from about +0 C during the day to about -140 C at night, depending on the source of information. The atmospheric pressure is only 0.7 percent of that of the earth. If I understand this correctly, 0.007 X 95.32.% = 0.667% carbon dioxide on Mars when equated to earth's atmosphere, compared to 0.038% CO2 on earth. So Mars has 17.55 times the carbon dioxide density of the CO2 on earth, and yet cannot hold the temperature of Mars overnight. Density takes into account the gravity of both Mars and Earth. The sad fact is that carbon dioxide has no greenhouse effect at all!
Intelligent Design Theory goes beyond these excellent and obvious scientific proofs of the fossil fuel carbon dioxide global warming hoax by looking at the cosmos, the Earth's interior and the entire solar system. The truth becomes obvious that we did indeed experience global warming, not caused by the fossil fuel and carbon dioxide story, but surprisingly, by the planet Jupiter. On October 28, 1999 Jupiter was the closest it has been to the Earth and the Sun in 59.6 years. As Jupiter moves away from the Earth and the Sun, we are now experiencing global cooling. For information on Jupiter's effect on the Sun and the Earth, see Related Links. For real information on the Earth's temperature over the past 150 years, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Temp-sunspot-co2.svg). This shows the Earth's variations in temperature as following the Sun's sunspot activity which coincides with Jupiter's eleven-year orbit around the Sun, with major fluctuations occurring every 59.6 years coinciding with Jupiter's closet approaches to the Sun and Earth.
Fall came a month later in 2007; not from automobile exhaust in the atmosphere, but from a brighter Sun. When the Sun cycles south in the fall, trees get less sunlight and the chlorophyll dies. With less chlorophyll, the leaves turn yellow or red and fall off. Jupiter made the Sun brighter in 2007 since its close approach in 1999. Automobile exhaust reduces the brightness of the Sun. Automobile exhaust did not cause simultaneous global warming of the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or the Earth or global cooling.
The past six springs (2005 - 2010) were the coldest springs since 1939. 1934 was the warmest year of the Twentieth Century when Jupiter was closet to the Sun and Earth sixty years earlier. Jupiter's 11.86 year orbit around the Sun put Jupiter on the other side of the Sun in 2006, accounting for our coldest springs and falls recently. The cold spring weather was not caused by automobile exhaust, but by less clouds in the sky. With less clouds, more heat from the Earth radiates into space.
The affect of human activities on the Earth is insignificant compared to the radiation from the Sun, the magnetic and gravitational fields and eccentric orbit of Jupiter, the moon and the tilt of the Earth's axis. These not only affect the temperature of the Earth, but tides, menstrual cycles, human and animal behavior, earthquakes, tsunamis, El Niño, volcanoes, winds and rains, aurora borealis and the temperature of the oceans. Global warming caused by human emissions of carbon dioxide is a hoax and a myth. Solar ultraviolet radiation doubles and declines in eleven-year cycles. Carbon dioxide does not cause cyclones, as Al Gore says. Jupiter's magnetic field increased the heat in the interior of the Earth, raising the temperature of the ocean and causing cyclones and other results of a hotter Earth interior.
Is carbon dioxide global warming caused by today's 2,000-acre forest fires compared to 2,000,000-acre forest fires of the past? Obvious not. How about the 59.6-year oscillation of Jupiter's 11.86-year orbit around the Sun and the fact that Jupiter was the closest to the Earth and the Sun on October 28, 1999 than it has been in 59.6 years? Jupiter is 1,317 times the size and 318 times the mass of the Earth, and its magnetic field of ten times the Earth's reacts with Earth's magnetic field to produce heat in the core of the earth, as any electrical engineer would know. The eleven-year sunspot cycle, the Sun's radiation, aurora borealis and flipping of the Sun's magnetic field are also related to Jupiter. The Sun's magnetic field, Earth's magnetic field and Jupiter's magnetic field have millions of times the affect on the temperature of the Earth than anything insignificant humans can do. I predict global cooling of the Earth beginning in 1999 and lasting thirty years as Jupiter moves away that will expose fossil fuel global warming caused by humans as the hoax that it is.
Jupiter orbits the Sun every 11.86 years, probably causing the eleven-year sunspot cycle, the eleven-year solar heat and solar radiation cycle. Jupiter's magnetic field is even strong enough to cause the Sun's magnetic field to flip 180 degrees every eleven years. But the greatest effect of Jupiter's present proximity to the Earth and the Sun and Mars, is that it's magnetic field heats the interior of the Earth and of Mars. According to NASA electrical activity in Jupiter is so strong that it pours billions of watts into Earth's own magnetic field every day. This has raised the temperature of the ocean 4 - 6 degrees C compared to the Earth's atmosphere increasing only 0.6 degrees. The ocean is now putting much more water vapor into our atmosphere, and is also putting more carbon dioxide into our atmosphere.
Jupiter's magnetic field that rotates with Jupiter every 10-hour Jupiter day has heated the interior of the Earth, which is heating the ocean. More heat in the interior of the Earth causes earthquakes, tsunamis, El Niño, floods and volcanoes. Heating the ocean puts more water vapor in the atmosphere which causes greenhouse effect, more rain, snow, floods and global warming. Carbon dioxide does not cause rain or floods. The University of Minnesota reported in Seiche, May 2008 that since 1980, Lake Superior has warmed twice as fast as the regional air temperature. Did automobiles heat up Lake Superior? No, Jupiter's magnetic field heated the interior of the Earth. This increased the temperature of the oceans and Lake Superior, producing more water vapor in the atmosphere. The increased water vapor caused the greenhouse effect of heating the air and producing floods.
As Jupiter moves away from the Earth and the Sun, we are now experiencing global cooling. But that will only last thirty years, and then the Earth will begin to warm again. The Earth will not warm each 11.86-year cycle as much as it did in 1999, because the eccentricity of Jupiter's orbit around the Sun will increase its distance from the Sun and the Earth every 11.86 years. So we are already in a 30-year cycle of global cooling.
Carbon dioxide does not cause global warming. Carbon dioxide is a tiny fraction of air, and is a gas just like nitrogen (79%) and oxygen (21%). Carbon dioxide (0.04%) has no more global warming effect than nitrogen or oxygen. Carbon dioxide is a global warming hoax. Water vapor contributes 95 percent of global warming. Man-made carbon dioxide is only 0.117 percent of total carbon dioxide in the air and contributes only 0.0047 percent carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Reducing man-made carbon dioxide by 30 percent in accordance with Kyoto Protocol would reduce the Earth's temperature by only 1/20th of one degree by 2050 AD, assuming all other factors, including Jupiter and water vapor did not change, which they definitely will. The only affect limiting and taxing fuel will have on humanity is increased prices, business failures and world-wide depression.
Since Al Gore's fabrications about polar bears and declining glaciers while three times as many glaciers were increasing than decreasing, the U.S. other governments and news media around the world that are intent on destroying free enterprise have perpetuated the fraud.
* The coldest winter of 2009 - 2010 the United States, Europe and Russia has had in the past 100 years has been totally ignored after intial news casts..
* NASA Goddard Institute for space studies (GISS) and NOAA reported increases in temperature at 1500 of their monitoring stations while deleting the cooling data from 4500 of their monitoring stations. This was exposed by Meteorologist Anthony Watts and Joseph D'Aleo, co-founder of the Weather Channel.
* The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC) predicted that the climate in South America would rapidly wipe out the rainforests. Now, with freezing snow all over the United States, Europe and Asia, governmental agencies are blaming the freezing snow and floods on global warming. The truth is, as anyone can observe fog being produced by cold air over warm water, the ocean is producing more water vapor because of the colder air over it.
* Melting of glaciers in the Himalayas is a fraud perpetrated by IPPC, NASA and other agencies and based on the speculation of an Indian professor Syed Hasnain in 1999 that if global warming is true, it could happen.
* According to the UK Reporter, increased hurricane intensity data cited by IPPC came from computer climate models, while observational data shows no increase.
* The warming of eastern China was based on the local effects of the spreading of cities.
* According to the UK Times reporter, Johnathan Leake, and the EU Referndum Blog, The IPPC prediction that by 2020, yields from rain-fed agriculture could be reduce by up to 50 percent is based on a report produced by a Canadian advocacy group, written by an obscure Moroccan who specializes in carbon trading citing references that do not support his claims.
* In February, 2010 the IPPC admitted wrongly stating in 2007 that 55 percent of the Netherlands lies below sea level, when in fact, only 26 percent is below sea level, and has been for centuries.
* All the data that created the "hockey stick" graph has been been "misplaced" or "lost".
* Methane in the atmosphere in the presence of oxygen and sunlight converts to carbon dioxide and water as part of Intelligent design. Carbon dioxide has no affect on global warming. Carbon dioxide is essential for all plant life.
The hole in the ozone layer is another myth as the hole in the ozone layer has been with us since Antarctica froze. The hole is not there from carbon dioxide, but because there is no oxygen from trees in Antarctica. Ozone is produced by ultraviolet light from the Sun radiating on oxygen. Intelligent Design Theory teaches that ultra violet is essential for life. Contact the author to Disprove it if you can.
Godless science does not understand global warming, global cooling, acid rain cause and effect and its benefits, the hole in the ozone layer and its real cause, and does not understand the importance of forest fires. So it wants to shut down all industry and prevent controlled, beneficial forest fires, which have been replaced to an insignificant extent by burning fossil fuels. To preserve our environment and have abundant life at the same time, we must study Intelligent Design Theory in our schools. Maybe we will also learn in the battle of evolution vs. creationism that oil is not a fossil fuel, but is continuously produced by all vegetation, more every day than we can possibly use. According to Intelligent Design Theory, the carbon bound by vegetation must be released back to the atmosphere to preserve life on Earth and in the unlikely event that fossil fuel global warming is not a fraud, to help prevent the pending Earth cooling cycle and maybe even a glacial age.
Is global warming caused by today's 2,000-acre forest fires compared to 2,000,000-acre forest fires of the past? Obviously it is not. How about the shift from burning oil and coal in our homes and factories to hydroelectric power and nuclear power stations? Did that make more CO2?
Intelligent Design Theory indicates that the planet Jupiter is the natural cause of global warming. The political outcry on carbon dioxide global warming and proposed ban on fossil fuels and the world supply of oil is a pretext created by evolution vs. creationism. Jupiter is the main cause of global warming and global cooling, and the Earth is now cooling. The real problem with burning oil is not global warming. The problem is that our petrodollars are funding terrorists whose stated goal is to annihilate all non-Muslims from the face of the Earth. Meanwhile our evolutionist environmentalists prevent us from drilling for oil in the United States and offshore, while Cuba and China drill offshore of the United States. Let's use Intelligent Design concepts to expose the falsehood of fossil fuel and the carbon dioxide global warming hoax.
http://www.intelligentdesigntheory.info/carbon-dioxide-global-warming-hoax.html
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The road is long with many of winding turns
That lead us to who knows where,
who knows where
But I'm strong,
strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
So on we go
His welfare is my concern
No burden is he to bear, we'll get there
For I know
he would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother
If I'm laden at all,
I am laden with sadness that
everyone's heart isn't filled with the gladness
of Love for one another
It's a long long road
From which there is no return
while we're on our way to there why not share
And the load doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy , he's my brother
He ain't heavy
He's my brother
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
This is a Hoax. ;)
Someone had to go, or it would be weird to the fans. :)
relax! He is not dead!
@Serenitys_Dream you scares me sometimes... mj has no life :lol:
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
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TOLD YA SO!
Oooh.. look.. Randy is photographed by TMZ after announcing on twitter he was going to FL...
Randy is being paid for this every step of the way.
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
Where was Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Jackie, Marlon, etc????
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
Open your eyes to what Randy is doing.. he is being paid by TMZ for all of this.
He announced on twitter he was going to be there... i knew this would end up on TMZ.
All he cares about is the money. Thats all.
And where were Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, etc???
No.. just Randy because he wants to get his face in TMZ and money in his pocket.
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
Where was Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Jackie, Marlon, etc????
As if I know :roll:
I think Randy is just playing his role
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
Open your eyes to what Randy is doing.. he is being paid by TMZ for all of this.
He announced on twitter he was going to be there... i knew this would end up on TMZ.
All he cares about is the money. Thats all.
And where were Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, etc???
No.. just Randy because he wants to get his face in TMZ and money in his pocket.
I don't think you can make accusations about something you don't have proof.
if you don't like him,ok! don't care.. but, please respect MJ's family ..
you're saying that he only cares about money, This is NOT nice!
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THE REST OF THE SIBLINGS EITHER AREN'T THERE CUS THEY'RE BUSY OR LET'S FACE IT THEY WERE SPENDING THE DAY WITH MIKE. THEY'RE LIKE RANDY GO ON SO THIS DOESN'T LOOK SUSPICIOUS. THEY GOT TO THROW PPL OF WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IF NOT A SINGLE SIBLING SHOWS UP EVERYONE WOULD BE LIKE WOT? RANDY HADN'T UPDATED TWITTER IN AWHILE HUH? HIS LAST TWEET WAS LIKE IN JULY COME ON AND IT'S LIKE HE'S SAYING I'LL BE THERE 3:00-3:30PM TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOTTA NOTIFY CUS HE'S MAKING AN APPEARANCE. MICHAEL IS FINE AND HE DID TURN 52 BE HAPPY THE MAN IS STILL WITH US. ;)
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
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I don't think you can make accusations about something you don't have proof.
if you don't like him,ok! don't care.. but, please respect MJ's family ..
you're saying that he only cares about money, This is NOT nice!
The truth always hurts and is never nice.
In order to gain respect you have to earn it.. he hasnt earnt it. I can see exactly what he is doing.
im sorry if that upsets you.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Yes i know... he got paid for that... my dear!
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
I think the two are in cahoots.. as they have the same photo so TMZ would have to pay to use that also... its not the first time TMZ have carried a story from x17.
Either way, Randy is playing the media and tipping them off to when he was going to be at FL so he could be photo'd with the fans and get paid for his words. Its clear what he is doing. Im not attacking him because i dont like him... i seeing it as i see it.. im telling the truth and the proof is there in front of our eyes.
Its been long known that Randy is leaking stuff to TMZ and he is very close to Karen.. Karen Faye clearly sold the tomb photos to TMZ. She also sold a story about her and LMP going to a psychic to The SUn tabloid.
I just want people to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the manipulation.
MJ knew it.. thats why he distanced himself from his family. It may be a hard truth to accept, but its the truth.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Yes i know... he got paid for that... my dear!
OMG! please stop it, ok!
This Is Ridiculous!
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Yes i know... he got paid for that... my dear!
OMG! please stop it, ok!
This Is Ridiculous!
Good closing argument. I rest my case.
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You could be right DTD, what struck me the most was that there were exclusive pics from the one year anniversary and x17 were given and taking pitchure inside the mausoleum. And Randy thought it was sad that the kids was not there, yeah I think it's sad too that the kids wasn't exposed on pictures by their fathers grave on his anniversary. :| It is my belief that he is co-operating with x17 and being paid to give exclusive interviews.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Yes i know... he got paid for that... my dear!
OMG! please stop it, ok!
This Is Ridiculous!
omg you're making me laugh including your avatar :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
dear, it has been posted first on x17online NOT tmz!
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
Yes i know... he got paid for that... my dear!
OMG! please stop it, ok!
This Is Ridiculous!
Good closing argument. I rest my case.
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What the heck?
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ok dtd i have lost track are you or are you not on board with hoax?
you could be right about randy but i sure want to hold out hope that family would not be that way.
by the way did you just tell me on another thread that kf twittered something that you took as correct yet you are saying she is in with randy doin' something like this.?
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Please guys, can we just share our opinions quietly? ;)
x17online posted the article on Aug 29th at 11:25 am
http://x17online.com/celebrities/michae ... 302010.php (http://x17online.com/celebrities/michael_jackson/x17_exclusive_randy_jackson_visits_forest_lawn_on_brother_michaels_birthday-08302010.php)
and tmz on aug 30th at 10:12 AM
http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/30/michael-j ... lawn-dead/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/30/michael-jackson-birthday-randy-jackson-forest-lawn-dead/)
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Why people lose faith so quickly to see a picture, and forget all the evidence there and prove that Michael is alive? :?
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An equally relevant question: why is it that people who sometimes express doubts or reservations about any aspect of the hoax are treated in such a blatantly rude and derogatory manner (by people such as DTD) on this forum?
Wanting something to be true and actually proving it to be true are two different things. There is no PROOF of anything substantive on this forum... only some very good questions and noted inconsistencies.
There is nothing on this forum that could be taken into a court of law or public opinion that would PROVE that he is alive.
And whatever MJ's fate is or was, that is probably the way it is intended to be and will remain.
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The death certificate
The autopsy report, to mention two things that are legally stories about" mistakes".
Where are the tests that really died? :?:
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SEEING RANDY THERE DOESN'T PUT ANY DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT MICHAEL'S DEAD. I STILL BELIEVE HE'S ALIVE. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE HE'S GONE BECAUSE SOME OF THE EVIDENCE ON THIS SITE MADE ME A BELIEVER FOREVER ;)
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
Open your eyes to what Randy is doing.. he is being paid by TMZ for all of this.
He announced on twitter he was going to be there... i knew this would end up on TMZ.
All he cares about is the money. Thats all.
And where were Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, etc???
No.. just Randy because he wants to get his face in TMZ and money in his pocket.
Why you are so sure about Randy being paid. Just because he went to FL? Well he was told to go, they found him most appropriate. If he gets paid, then he is big time SON OF A BITCH! whether it is for hoax or not.
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
Open your eyes to what Randy is doing.. he is being paid by TMZ for all of this.
He announced on twitter he was going to be there... i knew this would end up on TMZ.
All he cares about is the money. Thats all.
And where were Jermaine, LaToyah, Janet, Marlon, Jackie, Tito, etc???
No.. just Randy because he wants to get his face in TMZ and money in his pocket.
Why you are so sure about Randy being paid. Just because he went to FL? Well he was told to go, they found him most appropriate. If he gets paid, then he is big time SON OF A BITCH! whether it is for hoax or not.
Wow no calling names , how can you all call someone this and that when all we are doing is speculating? jeez... thats just wrong :?
And since we think that TMZ is "working" with MJ then Randy was only doing what he was supposed to do ...
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Geeze the forum is falling apart!!!! I got blessed out for showing something amusing about a stupid arsed TV ad earlier and instead of anyone finding it goofy or saying yeah we may need straight jackets or just being light hearted, I get put down and made to feel absolutely hated. Damn, what's the point in being here any more if it's just one argument after another and everyone hates every body elses posts for no reason.
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Hmmm
Some of you needs to take a long break from the computer :?
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If this is directed at me also I would like to know just exactly what I did to anyone???? Everything was fine over here, heck I wasn't even around for most of the weekend until I saw that one ad and thought to mention it because it just stuck out and then it's like everyone here is aiming sh*t in my direction. I refuse to back down to this crap because I know I didn't do anything to anybody here.
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If this is directed at me also I would like to know just exactly what I did to anyone???? Everything was fine over here, heck I wasn't even around for most of the weekend until I saw that one ad and thought to mention it because it just stuck out and then it's like everyone here is aiming sh*t in my direction. I refuse to back down to this crap because I know I didn't do anything to anybody here.
Wow just chill and stop repeating the same story on every thread , I read that thread and nobody was saying anything bad , there were just giving their opinions , so please cut it out and take that to PM if theres something that bothers you -- that is SO offtopic :arrow:
:mrgreen:
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:lol:
Oh my god im going to keep my comments to myself :roll:
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Like you couldn't have taken it to my PM before going on and taking it even further. Wow such an example.
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:? :arrow:
PS : :lol: this is insane lol
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THE REST OF THE SIBLINGS EITHER AREN'T THERE CUS THEY'RE BUSY OR LET'S FACE IT THEY WERE SPENDING THE DAY WITH MIKE. THEY'RE LIKE RANDY GO ON SO THIS DOESN'T LOOK SUSPICIOUS. THEY GOT TO THROW PPL OF WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IF NOT A SINGLE SIBLING SHOWS UP EVERYONE WOULD BE LIKE WOT? RANDY HADN'T UPDATED TWITTER IN AWHILE HUH? HIS LAST TWEET WAS LIKE IN JULY COME ON AND IT'S LIKE HE'S SAYING I'LL BE THERE 3:00-3:30PM TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOTTA NOTIFY CUS HE'S MAKING AN APPEARANCE. MICHAEL IS FINE AND HE DID TURN 52 BE HAPPY THE MAN IS STILL WITH US. ;)
On June 25th there was also only Randy who went to FL, if I remember well.
He tweeted Michael has no voice now, so we should speak for him, for justice, and now he says he leaves it into God's hands....
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THE REST OF THE SIBLINGS EITHER AREN'T THERE CUS THEY'RE BUSY OR LET'S FACE IT THEY WERE SPENDING THE DAY WITH MIKE. THEY'RE LIKE RANDY GO ON SO THIS DOESN'T LOOK SUSPICIOUS. THEY GOT TO THROW PPL OF WHAT DO YOU EXPECT IF NOT A SINGLE SIBLING SHOWS UP EVERYONE WOULD BE LIKE WOT? RANDY HADN'T UPDATED TWITTER IN AWHILE HUH? HIS LAST TWEET WAS LIKE IN JULY COME ON AND IT'S LIKE HE'S SAYING I'LL BE THERE 3:00-3:30PM TO ME THAT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOTTA NOTIFY CUS HE'S MAKING AN APPEARANCE. MICHAEL IS FINE AND HE DID TURN 52 BE HAPPY THE MAN IS STILL WITH US. ;)
On June 25th there was also only Randy who went to FL, if I remember well.
He tweeted Michael has no voice now, so we should speak for him, for justice, and now he says he leaves it into God's hands....
No, darling, you remember wrong. on 25th there were also Tito, Janet, Jermain and his wife, and other relatives. Marlon the one who escaped like Michael, he appears nowhere.
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I'd appreciate it very much if people would stop jumping to conclusions. I have read quite a few assumptions and accusations in this thread, and that's not the way to go. I most definitely don't want people "fighting" with each other just because of assumptions. I thought the past 14 months would have taught people about that, but I see quite the opposite in this thread...
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If this is directed at me also I would like to know just exactly what I did to anyone???? Everything was fine over here, heck I wasn't even around for most of the weekend until I saw that one ad and thought to mention it because it just stuck out and then it's like everyone here is aiming sh*t in my direction. I refuse to back down to this crap because I know I didn't do anything to anybody here.
I guess maybe people are getting twitchie (? sp?), sending you a big hug, dont get drawn in to this its silly. :roll:
Love to you, blessing to all, keep the faith and stay strong, we knew this wasnt an easy ride.
L.O.V.E.
:D
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This is what X17 is about:
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Good closing argument. I rest my case.
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What I found odd was Randy only ,as far as we know, to be the one showing up at the cementery.
If the family (part ot them) are a JW still, I understand that they don´t go celebrating MJ´s b-day but showing up at the cementery for the b-day of a "diceased" one it´s also a bit odd to me.
I haven´t read any twitter from Jermaine either.
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DancingTheDream, I am appaled by your accusations! You are even presenting it as the truth...??!!
Did it ever cross your mind that Randy might have tweeted that so that some of the California hoaxers could think "Hey, I'll go to FL as well and see if I can ask Randy some intelligent questions"?
You claim to be such a big MJ fan, yet you are accusing someone without knowing ANYTHING! Haven't you learned anything from your big idol? Remember that this is a hoax and that we have not a clue what kind of roles people play in this. Until we know that for sure there is NO WAY we can say that it is truth.
Whatever you might think about Randy, he is Mike's brother. An accusations based only on a picture is not appreciated, show a little respect and don't act like a tabloid.
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Hello!!!
Every time I feel loosing control about something or someome,Michael's words from THIS IS IT movie comes in my mind:
"DO IT WITH LOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!" , people :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Lets make Michael proud of us,and not have a dispute ,especially not here on this FORUM were we have been TOGETHER,more than a year now.
Are we the ARMY OF LOVE,are we A FAMILY, like Michael said in THIS IS IT or NO??????????? :?
Please my friends let's act with Love in our hearts and with the maturity we said we have been blessed because of this "Hoax".
Have we made that change or NOOOOO???? :?
LOVE
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Once again, I shall make the comparisons of all the people photographed at the cemetary as "Fans". Not saying they are not fans, but always the same fans.
The fans of Southern California where formed in August 2009, and are always at every photo shoot with the family......or at forest lawn... There has to be a reason for this..
They are on a paycheck .....I have no doubt now. Many of them sometimes change their look, as shown at the Child support hearing with CM.
Did anyone else go to Forest Lawn on the 29th??? It's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
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Once again, I shall make the comparisons of all the people photographed at the cemetary as "Fans". Not saying they are not fans, but always the same fans.
The fans of Southern California where formed in August 2009, and are always at every photo shoot with the family......or at forest lawn... There has to be a reason for this..
They are on a paycheck .....I have no doubt now. Many of them sometimes change their look, as shown at the Child support hearing with CM.
Did anyone else go to Forest Lawn on the 29th??? It's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
Thank you 2good I had fun trying to follow the arrows my head spinning like a carousel now! :lol:
Seems that you're on to something here, it's very possible that these are not real fans but "actors".
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Why are you here?
I wanna find out the truth, but when I see his bro at the cemetary I get the feeling he´s dead.
our feelings can be wrong sometimes.. maybe you can do a review of TS's "cold, hard evidence" again :)
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Once again, I shall make the comparisons of all the people photographed at the cemetary as "Fans". Not saying they are not fans, but always the same fans.
The fans of Southern California where formed in August 2009, and are always at every photo shoot with the family......or at forest lawn... There has to be a reason for this..
They are on a paycheck .....I have no doubt now. Many of them sometimes change their look, as shown at the Child support hearing with CM.
Did anyone else go to Forest Lawn on the 29th??? It's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
Thank you 2good I had fun trying to follow the arrows my head spinning like a carousel now! :lol:
Seems that you're on to something here, it's very possible that these are not real fans but "actors".
Yes, so that would mean Randy's tweet was an invitation for the hoaxers to go and see IF he was there. According to FL there was no one of the family to be expected, so this could have been again proof of a staged event.
I wish I lived in California, I would have went to see for myself.
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Once again, I shall make the comparisons of all the people photographed at the cemetary as "Fans". Not saying they are not fans, but always the same fans.
The fans of Southern California where formed in August 2009, and are always at every photo shoot with the family......or at forest lawn... There has to be a reason for this..
They are on a paycheck .....I have no doubt now. Many of them sometimes change their look, as shown at the Child support hearing with CM.
Did anyone else go to Forest Lawn on the 29th??? It's all for L.O.V.E xoxoxo
Thank you 2good I had fun trying to follow the arrows my head spinning like a carousel now! :lol:
Seems that you're on to something here, it's very possible that these are not real fans but "actors".
Yes, so that would mean Randy's tweet was an invitation for the hoaxers to go and see IF he was there. According to FL there was no one of the family to be expected, so this could have been again proof of a staged event.
I wish I lived in California, I would have went to see for myself.
Yes I also wish I lived there I would have gone too!
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did i lose track again or was there not some confusion after the 25th as to whether or not fans were going to continue to be able to get into fl at all.
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Fans are no longer allowed to go the the holly terrace entrance door....there is a permanent stage in place for the fans to leave flowers , cards etc lower down from the entrance...since the 25th June 2010.
You could see that Randy knew those "paid actors" as they have been working with the family and the hoax since it started.
They are everywhere when there is a camera, filming the greatest show on earth...
They always wear the "JUSTICE FOR MJ" t-shirts...
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This is a recent pic. of some of them....
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isn't one of those that june lady who was a "spiritual advisor". that term. i don't know. it has always bothered me anytime it is used. :roll:
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I don't think all those people are part of the hoax...the less involved, the better ...
And about Randy, of course someone from the family had to be there for the staged event imo :)
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I don't think all those people are part of the hoax...the less involved, the better ...
And about Randy, of course someone from the family had to be there for the staged event imo :)
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@yes indeed it makes a lot of people :?
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They are always the same people .. 8-)
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They are always the same people .. 8-)
maybe 'coz they are fans from LA :D
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isn't one of those that june lady who was a "spiritual advisor". that term. i don't know. it has always bothered me anytime it is used. :roll:
Yes,she is, in the light blue clothes.On YouTube there are videos of her speeches at FL. Too bad, I don`t have the time right now to look it up,sorry!
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
I think the two are in cahoots.. as they have the same photo so TMZ would have to pay to use that also... its not the first time TMZ have carried a story from x17.
Either way, Randy is playing the media and tipping them off to when he was going to be at FL so he could be photo'd with the fans and get paid for his words. Its clear what he is doing. Im not attacking him because i dont like him... i seeing it as i see it.. im telling the truth and the proof is there in front of our eyes.
Its been long known that Randy is leaking stuff to TMZ and he is very close to Karen.. Karen Faye clearly sold the tomb photos to TMZ. She also sold a story about her and LMP going to a psychic to The SUn tabloid.
I just want people to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the manipulation.
MJ knew it.. thats why he distanced himself from his family. It may be a hard truth to accept, but its the truth.
DAAAm! I am not tripping out on you...but your words hit close to home. I too have latley questioned the family's intentions, emotions, ect.....but let me ask you this....where do you stand on the hoax? :? I have always felt that MJ hasd to have good reason to distance himeself from certain family members. Does not mean he did not love them though.
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Well, you guys would fuss if no family member showed up. I guess I am bad when someone I am really close to dies, I seem to run from it, because it is just too difficult for my heart to bear, yet I am in pain silently.
Yes it probably was a media thing and Randy does careabout MJ's fans. But, if he needs money (even though it may or may not be disatsteful), maybe he hs no choice but accept their payment. Personally I am not mad at him, let's face it, looking at this realistically these are some really hard times that we are living in.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
I think the two are in cahoots.. as they have the same photo so TMZ would have to pay to use that also... its not the first time TMZ have carried a story from x17.
Either way, Randy is playing the media and tipping them off to when he was going to be at FL so he could be photo'd with the fans and get paid for his words. Its clear what he is doing. Im not attacking him because i dont like him... i seeing it as i see it.. im telling the truth and the proof is there in front of our eyes.
Its been long known that Randy is leaking stuff to TMZ and he is very close to Karen.. Karen Faye clearly sold the tomb photos to TMZ. She also sold a story about her and LMP going to a psychic to The SUn tabloid.
I just want people to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the manipulation.
MJ knew it.. thats why he distanced himself from his family. It may be a hard truth to accept, but its the truth.
DAAAm! I am not tripping out on you...but your words hit close to home. I too have latley questioned the family's intentions, emotions, ect.....but let me ask you this....where do you stand on the hoax? :? I have always felt that MJ hasd to have good reason to distance himeself from certain family members. Does not mean he did not love them though.
Seems i hit home with a lot of people with my observations.
Im 50/50 on the hoax.. but i know what i see and tell it how it is.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
I think the two are in cahoots.. as they have the same photo so TMZ would have to pay to use that also... its not the first time TMZ have carried a story from x17.
Either way, Randy is playing the media and tipping them off to when he was going to be at FL so he could be photo'd with the fans and get paid for his words. Its clear what he is doing. Im not attacking him because i dont like him... i seeing it as i see it.. im telling the truth and the proof is there in front of our eyes.
Its been long known that Randy is leaking stuff to TMZ and he is very close to Karen.. Karen Faye clearly sold the tomb photos to TMZ. She also sold a story about her and LMP going to a psychic to The SUn tabloid.
I just want people to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the manipulation.
MJ knew it.. thats why he distanced himself from his family. It may be a hard truth to accept, but its the truth.
DAAAm! I am not tripping out on you...but your words hit close to home. I too have latley questioned the family's intentions, emotions, ect.....but let me ask you this....where do you stand on the hoax? :? I have always felt that MJ hasd to have good reason to distance himeself from certain family members. Does not mean he did not love them though.
Seems i hit home with a lot of people with my observations.
Im 50/50 on the hoax.. but i know what i see and tell it how it is.
Your opinion is speculative and judgemental. Funny how you reply people that agree with you, but ignore my comment...
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Its typical or maybe are my eyes bad.. :geek:
But Randy was yesterday in the hospital for Treasure.
TMZ did not put that story up (yet?)
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All these supposed fans, to be actors... as Murray? 8-)
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Your opinion is speculative and judgemental. Funny how you reply people that agree with you, but ignore my comment...
I wasnt ignoring you, i read your comments. I just dont see the need to continue the argument.
We have different opinions, and thats cool with me.
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Your opinion is speculative and judgemental. Funny how you reply people that agree with you, but ignore my comment...
I wasnt ignoring you, i read your comments. I just dont see the need to continue the argument.
We have different opinions, and thats cool with me.
Different opinions is cool with me too, but judging someone based on speculation and also claiming it to be truth, is not in my eyes. Just so you know.
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Your opinion is speculative and judgemental. Funny how you reply people that agree with you, but ignore my comment...
I wasnt ignoring you, i read your comments. I just dont see the need to continue the argument.
We have different opinions, and thats cool with me.
Different opinions is cool with me too, but judging someone based on speculation and also claiming it to be truth, is not in my eyes. Just so you know.
Its not speculation. He advertised it on twitter before he went, which is most odd and transparent. I can see what he is doing. Why else advertise the fact he is there at FL for a particular time.. and then lo and behold, he appears in the tabloid sites with quotes.
Its been long known certain members of the Jacksons go to the tabloids... Randy has always been one of them and so has LaToyah. They did it when MJ was here and they are doing now he has gone.
Just so you know... im not arguing nor am i presenting "fact" - i am deducing from the evidence that is clearly there. Randy was quoted in a tabloid and thats a fact. He advertised on twitter he was going to be there, and thats a fact.
I havent judged Randy for this.. although i am 50/50 on the hoax and the murder theories... and sometimes when i think MJ really has passed away, i think some members of his family are behaving in a horrendous and disrespectful manner. I can judge this on the way i would conduct myself in a similar situation. I am allowed to have that opinion and i will voice it. x
You know i have been on this forum for a long time and i am not argumentative and nor do i bully or intimidate others.
This is my opinion and i am presenting it in a logical manner with my explanations.
If people have other opinions, then that is ok with me. Its all about healthy debate. You already know that that is the way i have always, and will continue, to present myself on this forum.
Thanks. x
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Your opinion is speculative and judgemental. Funny how you reply people that agree with you, but ignore my comment...
I wasnt ignoring you, i read your comments. I just dont see the need to continue the argument.
We have different opinions, and thats cool with me.
Different opinions is cool with me too, but judging someone based on speculation and also claiming it to be truth, is not in my eyes. Just so you know.
Its not speculation. He advertised it on twitter before he went, which is most odd and transparent. I can see what he is doing. Why else advertise the fact he is there at FL for a particular time.. and then lo and behold, he appears in the tabloid sites with quotes.
Its been long known certain members of the Jacksons go to the tabloids... Randy has always been one of them and so has LaToyah. They did it when MJ was here and they are doing now he has gone.
Just so you know... im not arguing nor am i presenting "fact" - i am deducing from the evidence that is clearly there. Randy was quoted in a tabloid and thats a fact. He advertised on twitter he was going to be there, and thats a fact.
I havent judged Randy for this.. although i am 50/50 on the hoax and the murder theories... and sometimes when i think MJ really has passed away, i think some members of his family are behaving in a horrendous and disrespectful manner. I can judge this on the way i would conduct myself in a similar situation. I am allowed to have that opinion and i will voice it. x
You know i have been on this forum for a long time and i am not argumentative and nor do i bully or intimidate others.
This is my opinion and i am presenting it in a logical manner with my explanations.
If people have other opinions, then that is ok with me. Its all about healthy debate. You already know that that is the way i have always, and will continue, to present myself on this forum.
Thanks. x
You said in your previous post that it was truth, and I don't like that. Since this is most certainly (or let's just say 100%) a hoax, maybe you should be more open minded and back off the family a bit. They are his brothers and sisters and you don't have the right to judge them like that, based on a tweet. I am not saying Randy is the holy pope in Rome, but he is Mike's brother and was there for him when he had to go through all that shit back in '05. He was also the one that got Mesereau on board, because he didn't trust the shady people surrounding his brother at the time. Maybe Randy, LaToya and whoever more you don't like, had a reason to talk to the tabloids during the last 20 years, because that is how long this hoax was planned. Maybe Randy tweeted that he would be there so that some California hoaxers could go there as well and ask questions, or to see no one was ever there that day.
Maybe you should think a little more outside the box and lay off the family a bit. I bet your family isn't perfect as well, I know mine isn't.
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You said in your previous post that it was truth, and I don't like that. Since this is most certainly (or let's just say 100%) a hoax, maybe you should be more open minded and back off the family a bit. They are his brothers and sisters and you don't have the right to judge them like that, based on a tweet. I am not saying Randy is the holy pope in Rome, but he is Mike's brother and was there for him when he had to go through all that shit back in '05. He was also the one that got Mesereau on board, because he didn't trust the shady people surrounding his brother at the time. Maybe Randy, LaToya and whoever more you don't like, had a reason to talk to the tabloids during the last 20 years, because that is how long this hoax was planned. Maybe Randy tweeted that he would be there so that some California hoaxers could go there as well and ask questions, or to see no one was ever there that day.
Maybe you should think a little more outside the box and lay off the family a bit. I bet your family isn't perfect as well, I know mine isn't.
I dont have a family, but thats a whole different story.
Can we just agree to disagree? I dont want this to drag on.
I dont hate any of the family, you are taking me out of context... but in order for me to investigate the truth, i unfortunately need to examine the behaviour and demeanour of some family members... and sometimes that means coming to some unsavioury conclusions and theories.
Randy may have gone to speak to hoaxsters, he may have wanted to be there to be photographed with fans also. It just doesnt sit right with me that he would advertise his presence in a pre-planned and public manner as the way he did, and then appear in the tabloids as we all predicted he would.
I havent made any assumptions on a tweet alone, but ive already explained this in my previous posts.
Please.. lets end this here and now. I dont want to argue.
There are many reasons why he did what he did.. and thats what this forum is for.. to put the ideas forward and then dicuss and bat them between us. x
Anyway, im tired and im going to bed. This has tirade has took me by surprise and i seem to have been taken out of context and attacked. Im not making an issue of it and i wont be posting to this thread again so this will stop here. xxx
I love this forum and i love everyone here and i enjoy the contributions and the debates.
If anyone has took offense to me, i apologise as that wasnt my intention.
I hope the people who know me here understand that, and anyone new here will see and understand what i have tried to discuss and portray on this thread.
Goodnight all. x
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You said in your previous post that it was truth, and I don't like that. Since this is most certainly (or let's just say 100%) a hoax, maybe you should be more open minded and back off the family a bit. They are his brothers and sisters and you don't have the right to judge them like that, based on a tweet. I am not saying Randy is the holy pope in Rome, but he is Mike's brother and was there for him when he had to go through all that shit back in '05. He was also the one that got Mesereau on board, because he didn't trust the shady people surrounding his brother at the time. Maybe Randy, LaToya and whoever more you don't like, had a reason to talk to the tabloids during the last 20 years, because that is how long this hoax was planned. Maybe Randy tweeted that he would be there so that some California hoaxers could go there as well and ask questions, or to see no one was ever there that day.
Maybe you should think a little more outside the box and lay off the family a bit. I bet your family isn't perfect as well, I know mine isn't.
I dont have a family, but thats a whole different story.
Can we just agree to disagree? I dont want this to drag on.
I dont hate any of the family, you are taking me out of context... but in order for me to investigate the truth, i unfortunately need to examine the behaviour and demeanour of some family members... and sometimes that means coming to some unsavioury conclusions and theories.
Randy may have gone to speak to hoaxsters, he may have wanted to be there to be photographed with fans also. It just doesnt sit right with me that he would advertise his presence in a pre-planned and public manner as the way he did, and then appear in the tabloids as we all predicted he would.
I havent made any assumptions on a tweet alone, but ive already explained this in my previous posts.
Please.. lets end this here and now. I dont want to argue.
There are many reasons why he did what he did.. and thats what this forum is for.. to put the ideas forward and then dicuss and bat them between us. x
Anyway, im tired and im going to bed. This has tirade has took me by surprise and i seem to have been taken out of context and attacked. Im not making an issue of it and i wont be posting to this thread again so this will stop here. xxx
I love this forum and i love everyone here and i enjoy the contributions and the debates.
If anyone has took offense to me, i apologise as that wasnt my intention.
I hope the people who know me here understand that, and anyone new here will see and understand what i have tried to discuss and portray on this thread.
Goodnight all. x
Fine, I think your emotional barrier is too big to overcome sometimes. Just stop attacking the family like that and treat them with a little respect. Post your conclusions as a theory and start with "I think" next time, that will avoid discussions like this.
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I think everyone should just take a break, grab a cup of tea or coffee, and go take a look at a thread posted by mjj4ever777 yesterday. I think you'll find it truly inspirational :)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844)
Love & peace, emerald xo
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I think everyone should just take a break, grab a cup of tea or coffee, and go take a look at a thread posted by mjj4ever777 yesterday. I think you'll find it truly inspirational :)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844)
Love & peace, emerald xo
I took a break, I grabbed a cup of coffee and I read the post (good girl huh?) and it's excellent.
However, we have to keep this board as objective and friendly as possible. Discussions and opinions are great, but I don't want members to attack the family or kids and present it as truth. People can voice their opinions andshare their thoughts, but I don't want attacks, simply because we don't know what the complete story is and what everyone's role is. So at times I have to play bad person and tell members I don't like it, so it won't happen again. If I wouldn't, this board would have been a mess months ago, believe me. I don't want fights and that is exactly why I don't want posts like that. I hope you understand that.
And I truly think that is a great post, although I don't think that we have complete control over his bam.
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Michael Jackson is dead, we gotta face it. I mean why´s his brother there? Why? :cry:
Please do not lose hope. Be positive, he is alive. In order for the hoax to work, the family has to continue to moarn Michael. It is all part of the game. If they didn't than everyone will talk and say the family is not around, so it means Michael is alive. They cannot allow that for now. Keep the faith Lady J and everything will be fine. When you are positive you attract good things. God bless.
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I think everyone should just take a break, grab a cup of tea or coffee, and go take a look at a thread posted by mjj4ever777 yesterday. I think you'll find it truly inspirational :)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844)
Love & peace, emerald xo
I took a break, I grabbed a cup of coffee and I read the post (good girl huh?) and it's excellent.
However, we have to keep this board as objective and friendly as possible. Discussions and opinions are great, but I don't want members to attack the family or kids and present it as truth. People can voice their opinions andshare their thoughts, but I don't want attacks, simply because we don't know what the complete story is and what everyone's role is. So at times I have to play bad person and tell members I don't like it, so it won't happen again. If I wouldn't, this board would have been a mess months ago, believe me. I don't want fights and that is exactly why I don't want posts like that. I hope you understand that.
And I truly think that is a great post, although I don't think that we have complete control over his bam.
Sure Souza, I understand your position. I don't think we really appreciate how hard it must be to run a board like this and have to play "referee" then get a lot of aggro for your trouble. I know I couldn't do it 'cos I'm a born peacemaker and hate confrontation. But we need both the warriors and the peacemakers and every shade in between ... and that's what we've got here in this great big Melting Pot that is currently set on "simmer" but is dying to reach the boil.
I'm glad you enjoyed reading Dayna's post. She has a lot of great points. I personally think the BAM is controlled by many factors - perhaps a little bit by us, and a lot more about a sequence of events that must take place before the final scene can be played out. In the meantime, those of us on this Magical Mystery Tour "Bus" need to stop and think from time to time and remember that, yes, we're here to discover the truth - but we're also here to honour Michael in the best way possible. And when I say Michael, I mean Michael AND his family 'coz I believe they are ALL still very close.
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Umm.. the proof is the picture and the "exclusive" interview Randy gave and ended up on TMZ and e-exclusive.
He announced on twitter he was to be at Forest Lawn... nothing about MJ or anything.. just that he was going to be there.
What more proof do you want???????
Its as clear as day!
He is not co-operation with TMZ, it's x17 he is giving exclusives.
I think the two are in cahoots.. as they have the same photo so TMZ would have to pay to use that also... its not the first time TMZ have carried a story from x17.
Either way, Randy is playing the media and tipping them off to when he was going to be at FL so he could be photo'd with the fans and get paid for his words. Its clear what he is doing. Im not attacking him because i dont like him... i seeing it as i see it.. im telling the truth and the proof is there in front of our eyes.
Its been long known that Randy is leaking stuff to TMZ and he is very close to Karen.. Karen Faye clearly sold the tomb photos to TMZ. She also sold a story about her and LMP going to a psychic to The SUn tabloid.
I just want people to see it for what it is and not get sucked into the manipulation.
MJ knew it.. thats why he distanced himself from his family. It may be a hard truth to accept, but its the truth.
DAAAm! I am not tripping out on you...but your words hit close to home. I too have latley questioned the family's intentions, emotions, ect.....but let me ask you this....where do you stand on the hoax? :? I have always felt that MJ hasd to have good reason to distance himeself from certain family members. Does not mean he did not love them though.
Seems i hit home with a lot of people with my observations.
Im 50/50 on the hoax.. but i know what i see and tell it how it is.
It looks like you have no problem at all judging and bashing people, yet you are opposed by the fact that Mike was judged and bashed by the media. How ironic...
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I agree that the BAM is not about what we are or aren't doing, but it is Michael's plans from long ago. I feel so much of the hoax is numerical and that the BAM will be numerically important too (but one almost impossible for us to figure out, so we probably should not try too hard on that so we're not constantly disappointed.) I do sense that TMZ and TS also control the speed at which we figure things out, slowing us down with articles that point to his death, and speeding up with hoax confirmations. We are being guided.
I also believe Michael totally knows human nature, the tendency to believing ourselves to be right and others wrong, and arguing aggressively or defensively. On this forum there are aggressive, passive, peacemaker, contributors. Dancingthedream actually gives opportunity for people to express why the hoax is believable, although I would quit coming here if the majority believed MJ was dead. When things get out of hand, the peacemakers step in. We all love Michael and I'm sure he loves all of us. I'm completely convinced he's alive, not by occasional confusing incidents, but by overwhelming facts and details by the thousands that collectively shout he's alive.
Also, MJ said that this was an adventure and that there was nothing to be nervious about, and that he wanted to give us the best escapism. This is like reading a good book, or watching a great movie. We don't know the ending and it's driving us crazy and we're on the edge of our seats. But we know we're safe, and can just enjoy this ride with Michael!!
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I agree that the BAM is not about what we are or aren't doing, but it is Michael's plans from long ago. I feel so much of the hoax is numerical and that the BAM will be numerically important too (but one almost impossible for us to figure out, so we probably should not try too hard on that so we're not constantly disappointed.) I do sense that TMZ and TS also control the speed at which we figure things out, slowing us down with articles that point to his death, and speeding up with hoax confirmations. We are being guided.
I also believe Michael totally knows human nature, the tendency to believing ourselves to be right and others wrong, and arguing aggressively or defensively. On this forum there are aggressive, passive, peacemaker, contributors. Dancingthedream actually gives opportunity for people to express why the hoax is believable, although I would quit coming here if the majority believed MJ was dead. When things get out of hand, the peacemakers step in. We all love Michael and I'm sure he loves all of us. I'm completely convinced he's alive, not by occasional confusing incidents, but by overwhelming facts and details by the thousands that collectively shout he's alive.
Also, MJ said that this was an adventure and that there was nothing to be nervious about, and that he wanted to give us the best escapism. This is like reading a good book, or watching a great movie. We don't know the ending and it's driving us crazy and we're on the edge of our seats. But we know we're safe, and can just enjoy this ride with Michael!!
Great post MJonmind! I'm enjoying this ride with you all :)
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I think everyone should just take a break, grab a cup of tea or coffee, and go take a look at a thread posted by mjj4ever777 yesterday. I think you'll find it truly inspirational :)
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13844)
Love & peace, emerald xo
I took a break, I grabbed a cup of coffee and I read the post (good girl huh?) and it's excellent.
However, we have to keep this board as objective and friendly as possible. Discussions and opinions are great, but I don't want members to attack the family or kids and present it as truth. People can voice their opinions andshare their thoughts, but I don't want attacks, simply because we don't know what the complete story is and what everyone's role is. So at times I have to play bad person and tell members I don't like it, so it won't happen again. If I wouldn't, this board would have been a mess months ago, believe me. I don't want fights and that is exactly why I don't want posts like that. I hope you understand that.
And I truly think that is a great post, although I don't think that we have complete control over his bam.
Sure Souza, I understand your position. I don't think we really appreciate how hard it must be to run a board like this and have to play "referee" then get a lot of aggro for your trouble. I know I couldn't do it 'cos I'm a born peacemaker and hate confrontation. But we need both the warriors and the peacemakers and every shade in between ... and that's what we've got here in this great big Melting Pot that is currently set on "simmer" but is dying to reach the boil.
I'm glad you enjoyed reading Dayna's post. She has a lot of great points. I personally think the BAM is controlled by many factors - perhaps a little bit by us, and a lot more about a sequence of events that must take place before the final scene can be played out. In the meantime, those of us on this Magical Mystery Tour "Bus" need to stop and think from time to time and remember that, yes, we're here to discover the truth - but we're also here to honour Michael in the best way possible. And when I say Michael, I mean Michael AND his family 'coz I believe they are ALL still very close.
Some times I feel I am in a day care. We all have our opinions, but bashing people is a NO NO. No matter who they are, Jackson family, us believers. we all are human beings with a heart. Somtimes words can hurt very much. The jacksons are Michael family, like we say we cannot chose our family, so he accepts his family and loves them dearly. We have to be more careful, I am sure they read all threads here, and so does Michael. Blessing to you all.