Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => The Redirects => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI ~ 2010 => Topic started by: JukeBox on August 30, 2010, 01:33:47 AM
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=50#p227085
Or TS just uses the words and phrases of Marlon :? Because it's strange Michael's brother predicts MJ's comeback himself. Unless nobody of his family knows where is he and when he'll come back :roll: Idk, it's still hard to trust TS for me.
They might not know either. I think Mike is the only one that knows when he will be back, and maybe he doesn't even know himself yet.
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well as i just posted in Bec's topic about authenticity of TS, the ALLJAC5ON twitter account has been active on MJ's birthday so the army of love tweet has gone from the first page. Wonder if they'll delete posts again, causing it to re-appear...
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So what you're saying is, stop hoping every holiday or significant date in history is a BAM date because not even MJ himself knows when he is returning? :D
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Hmmm, let's see...
Option 1: There is a chance he needs to wait for the Eliza case/Vernon exhumation, and the planning for his own exhumation as well. I do hope he is ready though, by that I mean he knows we're here for him when he needs us and he feels safe and supported enough to come back. I haven't seen TS redirect to Mr. Marley yet, so despite yesterday's redirect, I'm still a liddle worried. In this case Mike might have had several dates in mind, some of which have already passed, some still to come. There are many factors he can't control, so in this case he has some buffers.
Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.
Option 3: He is deciding if he will be back at all.
I haven't made up my mind yet. I am leaning towards option 2, but it could be option 1 as well, simply because it makes sense.
Although I would definitely understand option 3, I don't think that's the case, because then all of this would have been in vain. I don't see him starting something without finishing it, most certainly not something like this where he has put his heart and soul in.
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I believe that's what TS means.. :? :?
I personally have not seen any justice done yet...xoxox
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Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.
I have been leaning towards the thinking in this Option for a long time now Souza :)
My intuition tells me that MJ has had the perfect date for a BAM planned long ago. It seems to fit with the entire precise planning of this whole hoax when you look back at the dates and timing of significant events (as TS has also discussed) eg the "death", The Memorial, the Funeral, the release of This is It, the dates for Dr M's court appearances etc etc.
My thinking is the entire thing is just all too well planned for MJ not to already have a BAM date. I also think he is most likely the only person who knows the date. Maybe it was the same with his "death day" - perhaps his family knew it was going to happen...they just didn't know when.
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He has planned this hoax for ages and he doesn't know when he will come back yet....?
Hmmm... I don't buy it....
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i don't know about this one. i firmly believe he's coming back, but maybe just not soon. ah! i seriously thought we were heading closer and closer to a BAM, but i guess something isn't right.
i'll sit back down and keep waiting and watching.
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I've been reading this update today - TIAI Update #4d: 777 + 999 = Greatest Proof Hoax, Not Murder. I think it ties in with what TS is drawing attention to in today's redirect ... the reason why Michael can be flexible with regard to when he decides to BAM. I do think the message behind the hoax has to be understood and taken to heart before Michael can set a definite date. TS has mentioned previously that what we are learning now is just "an introductory course" and that we have much more to learn and focus on AFTER the BAM ... so the BAM is certainly not the end, it's just the beginning...
4-41. Bam: Not If, But When
Some were troubled by the redirect to a YouTube video, titled “Michael Jackson death hoax: What is his message?” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhAxTYemoQM; and see this thread
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028)} Please remember first of all, that the redirects point to information already out there on the internet; the information is not created by TIAI, so there may be a few minor things included that are not the reason for the redirect.
This redirect was intended to emphasize the need for us all to have more LOVE in our lives—not just a word, not just a four-letter acronym (L.O.V.E.), but the real thing. This redirect was done in the context of Valentine’s Day (though about a week later); and the purpose again was to emphasize LOVE, not to minimize the importance of the return and bamsday. Nothing in that video said bamsday would never come, or that bamsday is pointless and unnecessary.
The video indicated that maybe our lack of LOVE could delay MJ; and if so, emphasizing the LOVE message would not delay the bam or make it less important—rather, it would help speed it up, which we all want because the bam is important!
And speaking of bamsday, notice that bam statement once again: “I’m gonna look around a little bit, play with them. Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!” Especially in a musical context like this, “snap my fingers” can only be referring to timing! Can you think of anything that has happened recently, about the hoax timing??? Then the next thing in that statement, after snapping his fingers, is the bam!
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Hmmm, let's see...
Option 1: There is a chance he needs to wait for the Eliza case/Vernon exhumation, and the planning for his own exhumation as well. I do hope he is ready though, by that I mean he knows we're here for him when he needs us and he feels safe and supported enough to come back. I haven't seen TS redirect to Mr. Marley yet, so despite yesterday's redirect, I'm still a liddle worried. In this case Mike might have had several dates in mind, some of which have already passed, some still to come. There are many factors he can't control, so in this case he has some buffers.
Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.
Option 3: He is deciding if he will be back at all.
I haven't made up my mind yet. I am leaning towards option 2, but it could be option 1 as well, simply because it makes sense.
Although I would definitely understand option 3, I don't think that's the case, because then all of this would have been in vain. I don't see him starting something without finishing it, most certainly not something like this where he has put his heart and soul in.
What if Michael doesn't bam at all?? Are we all prepared for that? Sometimes i think it's his right to stay behind the curtains because of what he has suffered from! But .... What if he really doesn't Bam at all?!!!! We all should put this fact in consideration!!! So what will we do??? I'm just wondering!!!! I really don't know how this is gonna end!!!! It's a game!!!! We have to play it till the end!!!!
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When I take a look back at all the possible bamdates we've expected I just tell myself that a bam was simply not possible before. I mean let's just consider what happened in between, let's consider the Elvis' connection which was not clearly emphasized then, Michael had to give the time for the Elvis paralell to be clearly explained so a bam was still not possible and Michael knew that, this was all planned...now we don't know what Michael has in store for us we shouldn't put hopes on a specific date and just let the hoax guide us.
Certainly not everybody knows this date and maybe only Michael knows, this is too important and the less people know the best it is, maybe that TS doesn't know or maybe that TS is playing a little with us :D .
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In my opinion, the matter is very delicate, adverse forces are many and Michael is a human being.
Genius, yes, but a human being.
He must resolve many contractual and financial things before doing BAM (Sony, AEG, ecc. that are certainly not lambs meek) and perhaps find agreements and compromises.
To restore its decisional role it is necessary the defeat "legal" of his enemies and the time will be longer.
Murders/suicides occurred recently are clear evidence for this intricate situation.
Do not forget the influence of who is protecting him (FBI or other religious organizations - yes, I also think this-) they play an important game of chess with opponent.
To return to the options Souza, bet on the number 2 but I am convinced that we must wait for evolution of show trial Dr. Murray.
To restore his honor as a man and father mortally wounded by a media system subservient to the powers that govern us requires an organization as powerful who can extend the world the true meaning of his fake death .
Michael knows very well all this.
His Fans, this Forum, the sincere admiration by many people who have known him or discovered him for the first time after his fake death, not enough yet.
In my opinion you should wait for its decision without the anxiety of BAM, we should wait for its decision without the anxiety of BAM, continue to deepen and follow developments show trial Dr. Murray, change our mindsets and cultural as opposed to the system. ;)
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@diggyon
I don't think that we should consider the option 3 because the entire hoax wouldn't make sense anymore. If Michael doesn't bam it must be because of a very tragic situation but I believe that God is on Michael's side and will protect him so that he can accomplish his mission. I am 100% certain of a bam.
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Option 4 - Michael knows. But he's not telling! :lol:
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@diggyon
I don't think that we should consider the option 3 because the entire hoax wouldn't make sense anymore. If Michael doesn't bam it must be because of a very tragic situation but I believe that God is on Michael's side and will protect him so that he can accomplish his mission. I am 100% certain of a bam.
a game with no end?? :? a trip with no last stop?? :? nahh.. I'm with Sarahli.. ;) BAM is important and I think we will have much things to do after BAM.. I think hoax is just a beginning..
we have to learn as much as we can now and use this lesson in the future.. ;)
it's all for L.O.V.E remember.. ? :))
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@diggyon
I don't think that we should consider the option 3 because the entire hoax wouldn't make sense anymore. If Michael doesn't bam it must be because of a very tragic situation but I believe that God is on Michael's side and will protect him so that he can accomplish his mission. I am 100% certain of a bam.
I'm with you regarding being 100% certain of a bam. In order to turn 666 upside down a Bam is inevitable. I can't think of any other person being capable of doing that. The Army of Love needs its leader, it can't act without leadership and a strategy, and I think that entire strategy has already been drafted.
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you know again i can't tell tou where the verses are but: when jesus was here some of his followers were anticipating a political takeover or something . i don't know the exact statements but he basicly had to sort of rebuke them and let them know that it wasn't that kind of thing.maybe? anyone can get you hands on the word?
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Option 4 - Michael knows. But he's not telling! :lol:
:lol: Exactly
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Option 5. Nobody knows when bams day, so stop with the options already :lol:
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Option 5. Nobody knows when bams day, so stop with the options already :lol:
Erm yeah, like option 1...
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Option 5. Nobody knows when bams day, so stop with the options already :lol:
Erm yeah, like option 1...
:lol:
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yes. as i understand it when one is given too many options they opt not to choose :?
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And I would add the lack of union among us, here in this forum we have a clear example of that, there are divided opinions as to the message and the authenticity of TS.
Many people have not understood the message, for some this is just a conspiracy theory, and do not believe the scale and complexity of this whole web of deceit and the people and organizations involved. In this plot are the media, they were dragged through the mud to the reputation of Michael.
The only way to stop them is to inform people, if people are informed that you will realize this is all true and are not just theories.
I think we should leave out dates, the only one who knows when and how you will return is Michael himself, and very important is to achieve unity and that the message of love comes to everyone.
This is going to depend a lot upon return.
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The impression I have of Michael in recent months is that he is watching everything that occurs. The clues, some videos, the statements of the family, etc. is all controlled by him ... then he is watching our reaction and repercussions of all, evaluate whether he really is safe, if he decides to return.
For me, sometimes he is pleased, others disappointed and totally insecure about the support from fans and also with RIPS fights between Rips and Believers - do you saw the posts by Majestik??
I think Michael still not convinced about security when they procure it does Bam, because its message should not be having the expected coverage, many are reluctant to believe in this theory. I always thought he'd fight the world mostar his total innocence, clear his name, his honor, regain the respect of people ...
What puzzles me is that none of the family or their own lawyers not prosecuted anyone on behalf of Michael and looks that many people would be rendered practical for moral damages and defamation ... but never heard stories about it. Tom Sneddon, for example, he would pay for fraud and for witnesses attempt at buying ... does anyone know against case him??
TS This post left me a little discouraged because it leads us to believe that Michael is waiting for something to happen, but it is not entirely in their hands (option 1 of Souza) ... and in accordance with the upcoming events he may even decide to never return, for security reasons and to avoid public linchações against him!
Anyway, I think that if it occurs, Bam will still take a long, perhaps only next year or several years from now??
Oh God, I hope I'm wrong, I really want to be!! :cry:
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We're Takin' Over
We Have The Truth
This Is The Mission
To See It Through
Don't Point Your Finger
Not Dangerous
This Is Our Planet
You're One Of Us
We're Sendin' Out
A (Major Love)
And (This Is Our
Message To You)
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
(Waitin' For You
Can't You See . . .?)
(You're Just Another Part Of Me . .)
A Rhythm Nation
Fulfill The Truth
The Final Message
We're Bring To You
There Is No Danger
Fulfill The Truth
So Come Together
We're Mean Is You
(We're Sendin' Out
A Major Love
And This Is Our
Message To You)
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
Waitin' For You
So Look The Truth
You're Just Another Part Of Me . .
We're Sendin' Out
A Major Love
And This Is Our
Message To You
(Message To You)
The Planets Are Linin' Up
We're Bringin' Brighter Days
They're All In Line
Waitin' For You
Can't You See . . .?
You're Just Another Part Of Me
Another Part Of Me . .
We're Takin' Over
This Is The Truth, Baby
Another Part Of Me
"Will this take place after the BAM?"
I think this is our mission,we will come together."We need that "MAJOR LOVE"
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I know nothing! I can guess, speculate, wish, imagine ... but I know nothing for certain about what goes on in MJ's mind.
I feel we're just treading water here - being kept afloat by TIAI's (almost) daily redirects, and the odd TMZ article. What're we waiting for? A 'bam' that may happen this year, next year, sometime, never? And who's to say what would constitute a 'bam' anyway? As I say, I know nothing except that I'm still working on the '(wo)man in the mirror, and that's not as easy as it at first seems.
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When people talk about the "BAM" , looks like a celebration for something, in this case MJ´s comeback.
Celebrating Michael every day it´s the best BAM.
TS´s redirect looks like he/ she does not know when the comeback (in flesh I believe..), if any or ever, is going to happen...he is being honest at last ;)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... 50#p227085 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541&start=50#p227085)
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Fortunately my faith is unwavering.
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I know nothing! I can guess, speculate, wish, imagine ... but I know nothing for certain about what goes on in MJ's mind.
I feel we're just treading water here - being kept afloat by TIAI's (almost) daily redirects, and the odd TMZ article. What're we waiting for? A 'bam' that may happen this year, next year, sometime, never? And who's to say what would constitute a 'bam' anyway? As I say, I know nothing except that I'm still working on the '(wo)man in the mirror, and that's not as easy as it at first seems.
Well said, my thoughts also.
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MJ will BAM. I am convinced of this. This hoax has been too highly thought out not to be all tied up. For starters, if Mike only wanted a life away from the spotlight, he could easily have made his "death" totally seem real and added RIP on This is It and leave out any hint of a bam. But He hasn't and there has been a trail of clues for us to follow all the way from the O2 announcement. However, I think there are too many projects in the works for Mike to bam at the moment. Perhaps the whole court case with Dr Murray will first need to be played out. There is also the release of Mike's alleged "posthumus" album out in November and the game for the Christmas market along with the Fated comic book. What if Mike is not planning to bam until the Cirque shows in Vegas. I hope this is not what Mike was talking about when He said we have 4 years to get it right.
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Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.
I have been leaning towards the thinking in this Option for a long time now Souza :)
My intuition tells me that MJ has had the perfect date for a BAM planned long ago. It seems to fit with the entire precise planning of this whole hoax when you look back at the dates and timing of significant events (as TS has also discussed) eg the "death", The Memorial, the Funeral, the release of This is It, the dates for Dr M's court appearances etc etc.
My thinking is the entire thing is just all too well planned for MJ not to already have a BAM date. I also think he is most likely the only person who knows the date. Maybe it was the same with his "death day" - perhaps his family knew it was going to happen...they just didn't know when.
100% agree with you Adi :) I'm sure that he planned an exact date for the return as well but probably he changed due to some circumstances. I don't know. But for someone who arranged everything so perfectly, I believe that he planned the comeback date too. And I think Michael is the only one who knows about the date of the BAM. :)
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Sarahli I am like my faith is unshakable, and nobody knows what you think Michael, what are we expose all theories, perhaps the curls a bit desperate, I do not think TS are playing with us, I think it would be a bit cruel to play with the feelings of the people in this way, if everything you said TS was a lie, how long they could keep?
The philosophy of let things flow not only is useful before decisions, but also when we enfretamos problems or situations that do not occur as expected.
In other words, not forcing decisions not obliged to accept what we chose in a time of pressure, but wait time to accommodate things.
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@diggyon
I don't think that we should consider the option 3 because the entire hoax wouldn't make sense anymore. If Michael doesn't bam it must be because of a very tragic situation but I believe that God is on Michael's side and will protect him so that he can accomplish his mission. I am 100% certain of a bam.
I've been thinking about the BAM a lot lately. I thought if we understood that BAM scene wrong. You know, he says "Let me bathe in my own time".. Maybe he wanted to say "Let me live my own life" and that's it. I also thought maybe he only wanted to let us know that he is alive and that's the only reason why he left clues. BUT afterall I don't believe he did this hoax to hide from the paps and public. Remember when he stayed in Ireland, nobody, no paps could find him. If he wanted to live away from the media awareness, he would stay and live in Ireland or elsewhere. But he returned to Las Vegas, went to watch some Magic Shows and Circusses and arranged a Come Back! All of this huge plan doesn't fit for just a simple hiding. And if he doesn't come back, to me that definitely means he's gone for real. I can not find any other explanation.
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Sarahli I am like my faith is unshakable, and nobody knows what you think Michael, what are we expose all theories, perhaps the curls a bit desperate, I do not think TS are playing with us, I think it would be a bit cruel to play with the feelings of the people in this way, if everything you said TS was a lie, how long they could keep?
The philosophy of let things flow not only is useful before decisions, but also when we enfretamos problems or situations that do not occur as expected.
In other words, not forcing decisions not obliged to accept what we chose in a time of pressure, but wait time to accommodate things.
i agree, paula. perhaps MJ had planned for a date and perhaps the day may even have already passed because things were not ready, or because MJ decides to postpone it due to surrounding circumstances. we can only speculate, but there is no point in it because we won't know the truth until it is revealed to us.
whatever the circumstance is, i have faith that God is overseeing everything and leading MJ in this. we must continue to keep the faith and love during uncertain periods, and not let doubt shroud our minds. With God on our side, we can be certain that things will unfold perfectly before our eyes :)
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Consider this:
Recruiting Soldiers for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
Please post at least your support for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. And additionally, entirely voluntarily, you can mention specifics that you are willing to do: starting with the “Man in the Mirror”, make that “change”; maybe a New Year’s resolution. And then go beyond yourself, and reach out to others, joining together in helping to “Heal the World”. This is Michael’s message; This Is It.
We were asked to join Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
Mind - not Murray's Army of L.O.V.E., not Arnie Klein's Army of L.O.V.E., not Jermaine's Army of L.O.V.E., but Michael's Army of L.O.V.E.
Why would it be called Michael's Army of L.O.V.E. if he's not going to BAM and take the lead of his army? That doesn't make any sense at all.
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Could be that his army would be acting in his name - spreading awakening, awareness and hope to people, the way he did. We can do that now, regardless of whether he comes back physically as a leader. We're always talking here about how it's the message that's important, not the Bam, yet suddenly Bam seems to have become very important.
I wonder what it is people think MJ is going to do as leader of this army, that he hasn't already done. I'm not making a fuss, I really want to know! Maybe we are giving him a role he may not have planned for or want. Maybe he thinks he's done enough and is handing it over to the rest of the world - and to God. Has TS ever said MJ is coming back to lead his army? I don't recall reading that. Please show me if I've missed it.
And to ask again what I said earlier - what do people think constitutes a bam? Does it necessarily mean him coming back into the public eye, interviews, photos, actually seeing him again in the flesh? Or would incontrovertible evidence to the whole world of him still being alive, but remaining 'hidden' be sufficient?
I still think we're not using our time wisely - if we're still waiting for someone to tell us what to do maybe we're not fully thinking for ourselves yet. Just a thought.
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[youtube:2d5txhby]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zzG4n8CpM[/youtube:2d5txhby]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zzG4n8CpM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zzG4n8CpM)
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Chappie
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I still think we're not using our time wisely - if we're still waiting for someone to tell us what to do maybe we're not fully thinking for ourselves yet. Just a thought.
Funny you say that... here's a post I just added to my blog - Point 2 pertains more to what you were saying...
http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/coherent-theories-do-you-think-for-yourself-quiz/
There are two things TS said that have been on my mind lately:
1. From Update #4, section 4-37 (March 14, 2010)
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
2. From Update #5, section 5-11 (May 20, 2010)
“Think 4 your Self” quiz.
NOTE: M, S, & F questions are primarily for non-believers (or those who are wavering); the rest of the questions are for believers, especially those who don’t know about or don’t agree with the TIAI reasons for the hoax.
Michael:
M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?
M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?
M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday). So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?
Statistics:
S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?
S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)?
S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once. So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?
Family:
F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)? And why did the children looked bored at the memorial? And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?
F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???
F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time? And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?
EOW:
E1. If the numerology and timing is not a coincidence (see M2 & S2): then why was the 911 call placed immediately at 12:21, unless it was to show that one of the main reasons for the hoax is to warn about the end of the world (that it’s near—even if it’s not at the end of the Mayan calendar, 2012)?
E2. Why did MJ specifically mention four more years in TII, unless he was referring to 2012 (and also the Sony movie with “Jackson” in it, etc)?
E3. MJ reads the Bible daily; and according to it, there will be an end to this world—and that end will come prior to the “new earth” (see Revelation 21:1; etc). The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?
NWO:
N1. Also in the Bible, a one-world government/religion is prophesied to rise near the end of the world (see Revelation 17; etc). So if MJ’s message includes warning about the end of the world, how is it possible that his message does not also include a warning about the New World Order?
N2. If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?
N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?
Bam:
B1. If MJ never does bam: how is he going to succeed in getting the main messages (EOW, NWO, etc) to the billions in the world?
B2. If you accept the clues which show that MJ is alive: then why don’t you accept that the very same clues (in many cases) also show that he will be back (bam)?
B3. TIAI says that there will be a bamsday, the only question is when. So is this reliable (if you say no, then please answer T1, T2, & T3, next)?
TIAI:
T1. How did TS end up with the http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com) domain? If you say it was just a coincidence, then what are the odds (how many other MJ fans are there, including non-believers, who could’ve bought that domain after the Huffington Post article came out)?
T2. If TS is merely a hoax investigator, without any special source for hoax information: then why for nearly a year now did nobody else figure out the seven layers in “THIS IS IT” (as well as most of the other numerology and timing—777, 999, 1776, 1998, etc)?
T3. Can you explain all 18 in 5-12, below? And if you say that they are all coincidences: then can you demonstrate that you understand how to calculate the statistics, and show your calculations for the odds of all 18 by chance (like I did above, with 12:21:04 for the 911 call)?
So have we come up with any coherent theories and can we all say that we could pass the quiz?
I’ll be the first to say I haven’t done either and so that’s probably why it’s been on my mind.
I don’t know, I may just be bringing up stuff that was covered previously but that is no longer relevant….
I personally commit to doing both of these things for myself hopefully by this week.
What do you guys think?
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Chappie
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Could be that his army would be acting in his name - spreading awakening, awareness and hope to people, the way he did. We can do that now, regardless of whether he comes back physically as a leader. We're always talking here about how it's the message that's important, not the Bam, yet suddenly Bam seems to have become very important.
Well I'm sorry, but spreading awakening, awareness and hope "the way he did" didn't work really well, did it? How many fans picked up on his real message before his 'death'? How many people STILL oppose his message, even after is has been spelled out? Many many people will not believe it unless he himself spells it out to them.
I wonder what it is people think MJ is going to do as leader of this army, that he hasn't already done. I'm not making a fuss, I really want to know! Maybe we are giving him a role he may not have planned for or want. Maybe he thinks he's done enough and is handing it over to the rest of the world - and to God. Has TS ever said MJ is coming back to lead his army? I don't recall reading that. Please show me if I've missed it.
And to ask again what I said earlier - what do people think constitutes a bam? Does it necessarily mean him coming back into the public eye, interviews, photos, actually seeing him again in the flesh? Or would incontrovertible evidence to the whole world of him still being alive, but remaining 'hidden' be sufficient?
How else do you expect people to believe that he didn't die after they have been 100% sure for over a year that he's dead? Just another TMZ article won't do, people will want to see him. Seeing is believing.
I still think we're not using our time wisely - if we're still waiting for someone to tell us what to do maybe we're not fully thinking for ourselves yet. Just a thought.
Well, if you have a better idea to make the whole world aware of what is really going on and that is has to stop, then I'd like you to post it. Every person I talk to I bring the subject up, very subtle, to test their reaction. In case I get a respond, I will go on but in 90% of the time people look at me like I'm someone who is in desperate need of mental care. That doesn't mean I give up, but it's not like I'm making a lot of progress in spreading the message. If we only have less than three years left, I don't think it will be mission accomplished by the time those three years end.
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I still think we're not using our time wisely - if we're still waiting for someone to tell us what to do maybe we're not fully thinking for ourselves yet. Just a thought.
Funny you say that... here's a post I just added to my blog - Point 2 pertains more to what you were saying...
http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/coherent-theories-do-you-think-for-yourself-quiz/
There are two things TS said that have been on my mind lately:
1. From Update #4, section 4-37 (March 14, 2010)
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
2. From Update #5, section 5-11 (May 20, 2010)
“Think 4 your Self” quiz.
NOTE: M, S, & F questions are primarily for non-believers (or those who are wavering); the rest of the questions are for believers, especially those who don’t know about or don’t agree with the TIAI reasons for the hoax.
Michael:
M1. After watching MJ videos including Thriller and Ghosts: is there any reason why MJ would not have thought to do a real life Thriller—especially since he was married to LMP, and the Elvis hoax death theory is very well known?
M2. If MJ did plan a hoax death, is there any time that would fit better with a full moon (Thriller) and 777 than: 6-25-09 death (77 days to 9-9-09), 7-7-09 memorial (full moon & 7 years from will), 9-3-09 burial (7 days to 9-9-09, & almost full moon), and all the other numerology?
M3. Being a big fan of old movies, and also choosing to remake Gilda in TII: it’s not possible that MJ was unaware of Mundson/Macready faking his death in Gilda (and also sharing MJ’s birthday). So if MJ was not planning on faking his death: would he be so cruel as to include Gilda in TII, and make his fans think he was planning a hoax death when in reality he was not?
Statistics:
S1. Even if MJ was unaware of the hoax death in Gilda: what are the chances that he accidentally did a remake of a fake death by an actor sharing his own birthday?
S2. What are the odds that all the hoax numerology and timing is merely coincidence (and show your calculations, not just your answer)?
S3. Things which occur randomly, and are not planned, will happen more than once. So can you give at least one example of a similar death timing, that happened by chance—where the timing repeatedly fit with specific three-digit and/or four-digit numbers (not single-digit numbers), numbers that were emphasized by that same person before the death (hint: neither Elvis nor 2pac come anywhere close)?
Family:
F1. From the death to the burial more than two months later, why did we never see a single tear shed from a single family member (not even Paris, in her touching speech at the memorial)? And why did the children looked bored at the memorial? And why did the adults all wear dark glasses (so that we could not see the tears, or not see the lack of tears)?
F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???
F3. Why was the burial delayed for a world-record longest time? And why did the family schedule it for 9-3-09: unless it had to do with the 7 days to 9-9-09, and the full moon (on 9-4-09)?
EOW:
E1. If the numerology and timing is not a coincidence (see M2 & S2): then why was the 911 call placed immediately at 12:21, unless it was to show that one of the main reasons for the hoax is to warn about the end of the world (that it’s near—even if it’s not at the end of the Mayan calendar, 2012)?
E2. Why did MJ specifically mention four more years in TII, unless he was referring to 2012 (and also the Sony movie with “Jackson” in it, etc)?
E3. MJ reads the Bible daily; and according to it, there will be an end to this world—and that end will come prior to the “new earth” (see Revelation 21:1; etc). The memorial program actually mentioned that MJ looks forward to the new earth. With these things in mind, how is it possible that the end of the world is not part of MJ’s message?
NWO:
N1. Also in the Bible, a one-world government/religion is prophesied to rise near the end of the world (see Revelation 17; etc). So if MJ’s message includes warning about the end of the world, how is it possible that his message does not also include a warning about the New World Order?
N2. If MJ does not believe in conspiracies from secret societies and our own governments: then why did he say that the grassy knoll is “truth” (Tabloid Junkie), and who does “they” refer to in TDRCAU (with the pyramid and eye, etc)?
N3. Who is behind the “conspiracy” that MJ was talking about, when he mentioned that our history books have been changed?
Bam:
B1. If MJ never does bam: how is he going to succeed in getting the main messages (EOW, NWO, etc) to the billions in the world?
B2. If you accept the clues which show that MJ is alive: then why don’t you accept that the very same clues (in many cases) also show that he will be back (bam)?
B3. TIAI says that there will be a bamsday, the only question is when. So is this reliable (if you say no, then please answer T1, T2, & T3, next)?
TIAI:
T1. How did TS end up with the http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com) domain? If you say it was just a coincidence, then what are the odds (how many other MJ fans are there, including non-believers, who could’ve bought that domain after the Huffington Post article came out)?
T2. If TS is merely a hoax investigator, without any special source for hoax information: then why for nearly a year now did nobody else figure out the seven layers in “THIS IS IT” (as well as most of the other numerology and timing—777, 999, 1776, 1998, etc)?
T3. Can you explain all 18 in 5-12, below? And if you say that they are all coincidences: then can you demonstrate that you understand how to calculate the statistics, and show your calculations for the odds of all 18 by chance (like I did above, with 12:21:04 for the 911 call)?
So have we come up with any coherent theories and can we all say that we could pass the quiz?
I’ll be the first to say I haven’t done either and so that’s probably why it’s been on my mind.
I don’t know, I may just be bringing up stuff that was covered previously but that is no longer relevant….
I personally commit to doing both of these things for myself hopefully by this week.
What do you guys think?
I agree!
Each of us must have a theory fully assembled in your mind ...
So could be an open suforum with these theories, yes!
It would be great to see the point of view of each. It sure would be a great discussion!
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Always remember the words of Jermaine on June 25, 2010, "died the King of Pop", and also what TS said in the update of June 17, Report this postReply with quoteTIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
How will this return for which we're in this for over a year, not for the rest of the world, his music will continue rising and people think they are unreleased tracks that were saved. I think we have to make more people understand the message, read and spread, treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves. Remember that TS is said TiAI wakeup call to see what the New World Order so you should join the army of love.
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I myself dont believe this but some say hes alive but never c oming back. I hope thats not the case. I want him to return so bad. Not to us but just to be alive and well and us to ocassionally be able to see him from afar. Just to know hes ok and with his family and doing what he enjoys. I hope those who say hes not coming back are so wrong. :?
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Ok...Deep breath... I have had so many "epiphany" moments in the last few days that my brain feels like it has exploded! My husband and I have both had our own personal "BAMS", this being because we have both been "awakened" to the possibility that the "impossible" now seems to be very "probable" and "logical"
I don't know how to explain this "awakening" except to say that now that I have learned to think for myself, I feel that I'm thinking on a whole new level of "consciousness."
I believe that this hoax, like everything else in life is based on "duality". We have the "entertainment" and "creative"genius side of the hoax, but there is another side to it... the "spiritual awakening" side, the message! I thought I already knew what Michael's message was, but in the last few days I have come to believe that the "message" is much deeper and it is really about us finding out our "purpose" or "reason" for being here on this earth.
TS told us to "take a look back." At first I thought he meant take a look back at all the clues here on the site, but I now know that taking a look "back", means exactly that...taking a look back to the beginning of time here on earth and also looking back at my own life. When I did this, the pieces of the puzzle all seemed to start falling into place for me. From the beginning of time, ancient civilizations have all looked to the "stars" for guidance and I now truly believe that is where we need to start in order to fully understand why we are here. I believe that once you are able to open your mind to all things being possible, then the rest will all start to make sense.
Michael has been guiding us this whole time, but if you can't get in tune with yourself, it will be hard to comprehend what the "message" is really all about.
It is really hard to explain this, but I would like to give you a link to read. Please keep an open mind when you read it.
http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/desc.html (http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/desc.html)
When you read this link, some of you will understand right away, while others, will probably not understand it and think "whatever". You really need to "believe" that everything IS possible!
Since I have started thinking on a higher level, I have gone back and listened to the lyrics of Michael's songs and I now see a "different" message in his words. It's all about "light" "love"the "stars" the "Sun" the "Earth" the "moon" "God", "Peace" "Freedom" "History" "Invincibility" "ancient Eygypt" "RA" The "Pyramids" "Good" vs "Evil"... "The end of the world as we know it in 2012"...everything is connected and if you "think for yourself" and you "believe in the power of love" you will put the pieces together and you will understand what I am leading up to....if My husband and I are right and the power of what I am now feeling tells me we Are on the right track, then you will be amazed at what is in store for us in the near future.
TS and Michael...I truly believe with all my heart that I have found what I was looking for. So many things are happening to me that I just can't explain. All I know is that I feel an "energy" so strong, that it has lead me on this journey of "Enlightenment." Wow, what a trip!
I have to go now, but there is so much more that I need to share with you all. I honestly feel like I have been "chosen" because of my belief in Love and energy...I really do! Does anyone else feel this?
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Agree with everything that Mo said! This is Michael's army of LOVE and on Michael's command we begin! It's all gonna come out people! Don't worry! The best is yet to come! Keep the faith! Michael needs us more than ever! God bless you all my friends!
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Sarahli I am like my faith is unshakable, and nobody knows what you think Michael, what are we expose all theories, perhaps the curls a bit desperate, I do not think TS are playing with us, I think it would be a bit cruel to play with the feelings of the people in this way, if everything you said TS was a lie, how long they could keep?
The philosophy of let things flow not only is useful before decisions, but also when we enfretamos problems or situations that do not occur as expected.
In other words, not forcing decisions not obliged to accept what we chose in a time of pressure, but wait time to accommodate things.
Paula, when I said that TS was maybe playing with us it was not really serious :lol: I trust him, and I just thought that maybe he knows when bam is but obviously cannot tell us. 8-)
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I still think we're not using our time wisely - if we're still waiting for someone to tell us what to do maybe we're not fully thinking for ourselves yet. Just a thought.
Funny you say that... here's a post I just added to my blog - Point 2 pertains more to what you were saying...
http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/coherent-theories-do-you-think-for-yourself-quiz/
So have we come up with any coherent theories and can we all say that we could pass the quiz?
I’ll be the first to say I haven’t done either and so that’s probably why it’s been on my mind.
I don’t know, I may just be bringing up stuff that was covered previously but that is no longer relevant….
I personally commit to doing both of these things for myself hopefully by this week.
What do you guys think?
Thanks lilwendy, that's helpful.
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In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.
“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).” - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6
To all of you who aren’t familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.
Ts wrote: “follow The Prince of Peace”.
Jesus himself said: “I am the way and the truth and the life...” - John 14:6
Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.
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Mo, I was simply trying to get away from focusing on a bam, because we just don't know how long we're going to be waiting for it.
I don't know how else to respond to your post, which I have to be honest, left me feeling extremely uncomfortable.
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@mjj4ever777 - wonderful, inspirational words as always! I do believe you have been chosen to spread a message of hope and to help those who are searching for deeper meaning to their existence here on earth. I understand what you are saying and I have felt it too in myself - but probably in not such a profound way as you (as yet anyway). Thank you so much for sharing ... I look forward to your posts as I always learn something that enriches my life from reading them.
In regard to "Michael's Army of L.O.V.E." I'd like to share this video made by MJsFan4Life, who is a member of this site. I think it shows us why Michael wore military costumes and was depicted as the leader of a vast Army ... he was showing us what was to come once the hoax has been revealed and the next stage of this adventure gets underway. Obviously we're not going to be physically marching with him, but metaphorically he will be leading us into battle against the enemy and all who oppose the TRUTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nAw49K07A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nAw49K07A) (sorry, I haven't learned yet how to post the actual video here).
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In my humble opinion, the Bam continues to hinge on the court process, for both Eliza and Conrad Murray. I think Michael's parallels are still ongoing, that is, he has more similarities to Elvis that will be disclosed, and I am asking myself, "What is left to do? What else has Elvis done that Michael has not? Will MJ's reveal take the same form as Elvis's?"
If I had to guess, I would say MJ is definitely going to wait until after Elvis's Bam. That would make the most impact and would accomplish many objectives, one of which is, it would build anticipation, which is an MJ trademark. It would follow the plan so far, which is Michael copying Elvis: in the "death" parallels---now in the return. If MJ has gone to all this trouble to do it like Elvis, why not go all the way? Again, I think it's a matter of Michael's comfort zone. Elvis first---then Michael.
I know that one day in the future, Michael is going to pull the plug and say, "That's a wrap." Until then, I continue to wait patiently while daily striving to spread the message and the love, fulfilling my role, and allowing him to "take it from here." :)
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In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.
“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).” - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6
To all of you who aren’t familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.
Ts wrote: “follow The Prince of Peace”.
Jesus himself said: “I am the way and the truth and the life...” - John 14:6
Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.
The STUDY quote above is interesting (Thanks jono for posting) because it describes very well a possible side of the hoax which as believers we are happy to tip-toe in but find more difficult to embrace. By this I mean, the spiritual side of the hoax and the idea that 2012 is Mike's key reason for the hoax and when he is talking about "awakening", he literally means "awakening" to a new dimension and preparing ourselves for the New Earth... he may even be the "Prince of Peace"... :shock:
Ok...Deep breath... I have had so many "epiphany" moments in the last few days that my brain feels like it has exploded! My husband and I have both had our own personal "BAMS", this being because we have both been "awakened" to the possibility that the "impossible" now seems to be very "probable" and "logical"
I don't know how to explain this "awakening" except to say that now that I have learned to think for myself, I feel that I'm thinking on a whole new level of "consciousness."
I have had many "epiphany" moments (To use mjj4ever777 word) as well over the last 12 months and I have come to believe that Michael's "hoax" is much more than just a "material" hoax, it is deeper, much deeper.
The logical side of me has been fighting against those thoughts, trying to bring everything back to something that can be rationally explained and a big part of the Hoax can be put into a coherent theory showing that Michael faked his death but it gets more difficult to interpret the Why? Why taking such a huge risk and possibly alienating a lot of his fans? Let's remember that the plan started in 1998 or before! Michael must have known exactly what his purpose was then... I could list many possible reasons for the Hoax here but I admit that I do not know for sure Michael's own reason(s)... My believes are shaky here and Elvis "hoax appearance" has brought a host of new questions!
This leads me to the BAM questions, What is it and when? I am of the opinion that Michael needs to appear to lead his army... does he appear to the full army? to a select few (as we are being tested ... ;) )? to the World and BAM?
The timing and manner of the BAM is, I guess, dependent upon what Michael wants to trigger with the BAM and who is the BAM audience? And ultimately this links us back to the purpose of the Hoax, the Why!
Conclusion, understanding the purpose of the Hoax is important, we can only be prepared if we know what we are preparing ourselves for!
TS/Michael... Thank you for the education to date and please help us in understanding what you want from us ;)
With L.O.V.E
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@mjj4ever777 - wonderful, inspirational words as always! I do believe you have been chosen to spread a message of hope and to help those who are searching for deeper meaning to their existence here on earth. I understand what you are saying and I have felt it too in myself - but probably in not such a profound way as you (as yet anyway). Thank you so much for sharing ... I look forward to your posts as I always learn something that enriches my life from reading them.
In regard to "Michael's Army of L.O.V.E." I'd like to share this video made by MJsFan4Life, who is a member of this site. I think it shows us why Michael wore military costumes and was depicted as the leader of a vast Army ... he was showing us what was to come once the hoax has been revealed and the next stage of this adventure gets underway. Obviously we're not going to be physically marching with him, but metaphorically he will be leading us into battle against the enemy and all who oppose the TRUTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nAw49K07A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nAw49K07A) (sorry, I haven't learned yet how to post the actual video here).
Thank you Emerald!! I am so overwhelmed right now with what is happening, but in a good way. I need a day to collect my thoughts and do some more research, but I honestly believe that Michael is "special". I mean who else in this world is as well known, as Michael Jackson. Michael is truly a "gift" to us all! he has the ability to reach the masses with his "message" and its up to us to search our hearts and minds to find a deeper connection within ourselves, so that we will be prepared for what is to come next. We all have the ability to be the best we can be, but we have to let go of the "fear" in order to Love and think, at our full potential. I have had so many things happen in my life that I just couldn't explain, I just "felt" things...like 'energy", but now I can reflect and everything that happened to me just makes sense now. Love is all that has ever mattered to me and I now I know why. I have been so blessed that my husband Dave went from a man who didn't believe in love, to the most loving, caring man, a woman could ever ask for and he says that it's because I had the power to help him heal himself inside. I believe everyone has the power to be free of fear and to love at their highest potential, they just have to want it bad enough and they have to BELIEVE, that all things are possible.
Anyway, I will be writing some more very soon, but I wanted to leave these Inspirational lyrics from Michael. God Bless and I love you all very much... if you truly BELIEVE in Michael, then NEVER give up hope...Always,
"Keep The Faith"
If You Call Out Loud
Will It Get Inside
Through The Heart Of Your Surrender
To Your Alibis
And You Can Say The Words
Like You Understand
But The Power's In Believing
So Give Yourself
A Chance *
'Cause You Can
Climb The Highest Mountain
Swim The Deepest Sea, Hee
All You
Need Is The Will To Wart It
And Uhh, Little Self-Esteem
So Keep The Faith
Don't Let Nobody Turn You 'Round
You Gotta Know When It's Good To Go
To Get Your Dreams
Up Off The Ground
Keep The Faith, Baby, Yea
Because It's Just
A Matter Of Time
Before Your Confidence Will Win Out
Believe In Yourself
No Matter What It's Gon' Take
You Can Be A Winner
But You Got
To Keep The Faith
...Gon' Keep It Brother
You Got It *
And When You Think Of Trust
Does It Lead You Home
To A Place That You Only Dream Of
When You're All Alone
And You Can Go
By Feel 'Stead Of Circumstance
But The Power's In Beliving
So Give Yourself A Chance
I Know That You Can Sail Across The Water
Float Across The Sky, High
Any Road That You Take
Will Get You There
If You Only Try
So Keep The Faith, Ow
Don't Let Nobody Take You Down,
Brother
Just Keep Your Eyes On The Prize And Your Feet
Flat On The Ground
Keep The Faith, Baby, Yea
Because It's Just A Matter Of Time
Before Your Confidence Will Win Out *
I Told My Brother How To Do The Thing Right
Lift Up Your Head And Show The World You Got Pride
Go For What You Want
Don't Let 'Em Get In Your Way
You Can Be A Winner
But You Got To Keep The Faith
Gon' Keep It Brother
You Got It
I Know That Keepin' The Faith
Means Never Givin' Up On Love
But The Power That Love Has To Make It Right
Makes It Makes It Right
Keep The Faith
Don't Let Nobody Turn You 'Round Brother
You Got To KnowWhen It's Good To Go
To Get Your Dreams Up Off The Ground
Keep The Faith Baby, Yea
Because It's Just A Matter Of Time
Before Your Confidence Will Win Out
Better Stand Up And Act Like You Wanna Do Right
Don't Play The Fool For The Rest Of Your Life
Work On It Brother And You'll Make It
Someday Go For What You Want
And Don't Forget The Faith
Look At Yourself
And What You Doin' Right Now
Stand Back A Minute
Just To Check Yourself Out
Straighten Out Your Life
And How You're Livin' Each Day
Get Yourself Together
'Cause You Got To Keep The Faith
Uh, Uh, Uh
Don't Let Nobody Take You Down, Brother
Just Keep Your Eyes On The Prize
And Your Feet Flat On The Ground
Keep The Faith, Baby, Yea
Because It's Just A Matter Of Time
Before Your Confidence Will Win Out
Lift Up Your Mind
Before Your Mind Gets Blown
Some Things In Life
You Best Just Leave Them Alone
Go For What You Want
Don't Let It Get In Your Way
You Can Make It Happen
But Ya Got Ta Keep The Faith
Gon' Keep It Brother
You Got To Keep The Faith
Yeah Keep The Faith
Gon' Keep It Sister
You Got To Keep The Faith
Now, Now
I'll Show My Brotha
How To Do The Thing Right
Lift Up Your Head
And Show The World You Got Pride
Go For What You Want
Don't Let 'Em Get In Your Way
You Can Be A Winner
If You Keep The Faith
Straighten Out Yourself
And Get Your Mind On Track
Dust Off Your Butt
And Get Your Self-Respect Back
You've Known Me Long Enough
To Know That I Don't Play
Take It Like You Want It
But You Got To Keep The Faith Gon'
Don't Let Nobody Take You Down
Just Keep Your Eyes On The Prize
And Get Your Feet Back On The Ground
Keep The Faith, Baby, Yea
Because It's Lust
A Matter Of Time
Before Your Confidence Will Win Out
But Till That Day I Said You've Got To Keep The Faith!
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Have just been sitting here thinking about 2012 and how this is obviously a year of great significance to Michael. On this day, 13 years ago (08/31/1997) Princess Diana died in a car crash in Paris. Her death was 20 years (to the month) after Elvis Presley's death in 1977. Twelve years after Princess Diana died, it was announced that Michael Jackson had died. Add it together and you get 2012!! Might mean something, or it might be one big coincidence. I just wanted to share this with you as, since the hoax began, I can't look at dates or times in exactly the same way as I did before :lol:
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Mo, I was simply trying to get away from focusing on a bam, because we just don't know how long we're going to be waiting for it.
I don't know how else to respond to your post, which I have to be honest, left me feeling extremely uncomfortable.
I'm sorry to hear that curls, that was not my intention at all...
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I agree 100% with your post Angel! I think it is time to be patient and keep spreading LOVE and work on the "man" in the mirror! CHEERS! :P
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Hmmm, let's see...
Option 1: There is a chance he needs to wait for the Eliza case/Vernon exhumation, and the planning for his own exhumation as well. I do hope he is ready though, by that I mean he knows we're here for him when he needs us and he feels safe and supported enough to come back. I haven't seen TS redirect to Mr. Marley yet, so despite yesterday's redirect, I'm still a liddle worried. In this case Mike might have had several dates in mind, some of which have already passed, some still to come. There are many factors he can't control, so in this case he has some buffers.
Option 2: There is a part of me that thinks he has this one date in mind since he started planning this. If he is really such a perfectionist, he must have this perfect bamdate planned in advance as well. Probably impossible for us to find out, but that would make it even more perfect. In this case TS' predictions of possible bamdates are either a test for us to see if we will keep the faith no matter what, or Mike simply is the only one who knows the date.
Option 3: He is deciding if he will be back at all.
I haven't made up my mind yet. I am leaning towards option 2, but it could be option 1 as well, simply because it makes sense.
Although I would definitely understand option 3, I don't think that's the case, because then all of this would have been in vain. I don't see him starting something without finishing it, most certainly not something like this where he has put his heart and soul in.
I LIKE the combo of Option 1 and 2.
It is MY belief that when Michael began planning and preparing for this "hoax" he indeed knew the "perfect day" to "die".
Based on what I know about him and his love of numerology, he could pinpoint the "perfect day" to "die" and during his planning phase, (the years from the start, all the way up to today) he probably has added some things and deleted some things to his plan according to circumstances out of his control. Flexibility is key. ;)
Think about ALL the shit he has endured since roughly 1991.
While planning this "hoax" I am thinking he probably adjusted the original plan to include REVENGE and Personal VENDETTAS that came about as a result of The Conspiracies towards him.
These things NEED to be finished and ticked off a list before this is over. 8-)
It is my opinion that Michael indeed has a rough timeframe for his "BAM"
(whatever that means to him.)
I believe that the year 2012 is a major clue for the rough draft timeframe of a "BAM" and the intial end of the "hoax". I also believe that there are exact planned dates still to come for certain things to play out accordingly but, what happens in between those dates to this "hoax" is out of Michael's hands (kind of), he has no control over how we as "hoax" players are gonna act, or respond to any of this.
He can influence us, by clues or TS Updates, TMZ articles, his own family but, when it comes down to it THIS HOAX has a LIFE of it's own.
There is ALOT of things ALL happening and being accomplished at the same time.
What better way to Get A Message out to The World?
Fake your death and get people involved in the world's biggest classroom and educate them while entertaining them, so we don't go completely NUTS, lol.
PURE GENIUS :mrgreen:
Seriously though if Mike had done his concerts in London and it was rumoured that he wanted to use that as a platform for a message, only the people at the concerts would hear the message. Doing it the way he has, SHOCK FACTOR, by Faking his death, getting the publics attention, getting them involved in a game, ARG, teach them ALL (over the net) about ALL the corrupt shit in the world. Recruit for the ARMY of L.O.V.E.
AWESOME! :ugeek:
Lead by example, that is what Mike has done his whole LIFE, he has lead by example and he continues to LEAD right now. Just read this whole forum, look at his videos, interviews, he is leading the Army of L.O.V.E. RIGHT NOW.
Peace
sorry I am long winded this has been on my mind for a while.
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"In the instant that Michael is gone, we know nothing. No clocks can tell time. No oceans can rush our tides with the abrupt absence of our treasure.
Though we are many, each of us is achingly alone, piercingly alone.
Only when we confess our confusion can we remember that he was a gift to us and we did have him.
He came to us from the creator, trailing creativity in abundance.
Despite the anguish, his life was sheathed in mother love, family love, and survived and did more than that.
He thrived with passion and compassion, humor and style. We had him whether we know who he was or did not know, he was ours and we were his.
We had him, beautiful, delighting our eyes.
His hat, aslant over his brow, and took a pose on his toes for all of us.
And we laughed and stomped our feet for him.
We were enchanted with his passion because he held nothing. He gave us all he had been given.
Today in Tokyo, beneath the Eiffel Tower, in Ghana's Black Star Square.
In Johannesburg and Pittsburgh, in Birmingham, Alabama, and Birmingham, England
We are missing Michael.
But we do know we had him, and we are the world."
Maya Angelou
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Gema, I LOVE that poem by Maya Angelou! I remember Queen Latifa reading it out at the Memorial - such profound and beautifully written words. Thanks for sharing xx :)
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I agree 100% with your post Angel! I think it is time to be patient and keep spreading LOVE and work on the "man" in the mirror! CHEERS! :P
Thank you, GodhaschosenMJ, for your kind words! Love and blessings to you. :)
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Gema, I LOVE that poem by Maya Angelou! I remember Queen Latifa reading it out at the Memorial - such profound and beautifully written words. Thanks for sharing xx :)
Thanks emeraldcity. That poem just expressed how I feel an may be how we all feel.
Hugs.
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@Im_convincedmjalive,
Very good post! I agree with you. I think Michael adjusted and fine tuned the plan as the years went by, and the hoax began to live and breathe all by itself (with a little help from God). ;)
Lately, I can't shake the feeling that justice does play a bigger role in this than we have imagined. Despite his "rhinocerous skin", I think Michael will not really rest until he is truly exonerated by the entire planet! I think he is destined and determined to make this happen, whatever it takes, and I say, "More power to him!"
I also think his family is knowlegeable and is supporting him in all this, and like Janet, they share the family trait of being able to keep secrets for years, even decades, if necessary, which has served them well.
The concerts, like you mentioned, would not have been as effective in spreading his message as the death hoax, but we have to consider that this was also an Elvis parallel (Elvis was only days away from a concert performance at the time of his "death").
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In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.
“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).” - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6
To all of you who aren’t familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.
Ts wrote: “follow The Prince of Peace”.
Jesus himself said: “I am the way and the truth and the life...” - John 14:6
Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.
thank you for your post.i have to clarify do you have any thoughts to ad about who michael might be ect. ect. or are you just making a straight up statement? :roll:
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@Im_convincedmjalive,
Very good post! I agree with you. I think Michael adjusted and fine tuned the plan as the years went by, and the hoax began to live and breathe all by itself (with a little help from God). ;)
Lately, I can't shake the feeling that justice does play a bigger role in this than we have imagined. Despite his "rhinocerous skin", I think Michael will not really rest until he is truly exonerated by the entire planet! I think he is destined and determined to make this happen, whatever it takes, and I say, "More power to him!"
I also think his family is knowlegeable and is supporting him in all this, and like Janet, they share the family trait of being able to keep secrets for years, even decades, if necessary, which has served them well.
The concerts, like you mentioned, would not have been as effective in spreading his message as the death hoax, but we have to consider that this was also an Elvis parallel (Elvis was only days away from a concert performance at the time of his "death").
Thank you angel for acknowledging my long post, lol
Forget about Elvis/Jesse NEVER! lol
Of course I include him in this fantastic adventure, I just forgot to mention him this time.
There is alot I don't say. ;)
Peace
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Mo, I was simply trying to get away from focusing on a bam, because we just don't know how long we're going to be waiting for it.
I don't know how else to respond to your post, which I have to be honest, left me feeling extremely uncomfortable.
I'm sorry to hear that curls, that was not my intention at all...
You guys should read the Master of Mystery chapter from the MICHAEL JACKSON TAPES book . (Page 144 to 160, fans version). I recommend it to all of you (i'm sure most of you already did , but just in case ...). I would have preferred to make a thread of it , but it's a pdf document , and i have no idea how to post a full text here. Maybe someone knows how to use an OCR software...
Anyway , here is the link to the MICHAEL JACKSON TAPES pdf to download for whom interested. It's a "Fans version", not the original:
Link : http://www.sendspace.com/file/320txn
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In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.
“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).” - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6
To all of you who aren’t familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.
Ts wrote: “follow The Prince of Peace”.
Jesus himself said: “I am the way and the truth and the life...” - John 14:6
Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.
thank you for your post.i have to clarify do you have any thoughts to ad about who michael might be ect. ect. or are you just making a straight up statement? :roll:
I am simply underlining what STUDY/TS wrote:
“Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6).”
In this context “the Prince of Peace” is Jesus Christ.
Michel Jackson is a human being just like you and me.. Just slightly more famous ;) and of course a genius!
I was certainly not trying to say that Michel is Jesus or anything like that… Just a clarification :)
L.O.V.E.