Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: bec on August 22, 2010, 06:31:02 PM
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
:? :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :idea: :arrow: 8-)
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Thank you Bec!
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Wow, now how great is that! :) I was thinking about it the other day...if they delete tweets in order to keep posting...and they have, wow. Thank you Bec for bringing attention to this!
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Thank you Bec :D
Twitter page still the same with ARMY of L.O.V.E at the bottom.
:o :shock:
;)
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I'm wondering on how they will try to debunk this.... with something like: "TS hacked ALLJACK5ONS Twitter account and he deleted those tweets"... or..Ehm....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks Bec!
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I'm wondering on how they will try to debunk this.... with something like: "TS hacked ALLJACK5ONS Twitter account and he deleted those tweets"... or..Ehm....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks Bec!
LOLOL!! I think people will choose the easy way and ignore this post ;)
TS, search no further my friend! Bec's post should be tomorrow's redirect!
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This is great news - thank you Bec for bringing it to our attention :D
I am so proud to be part of the ARMY of L.O.V.E. with all my fellow soldiers :D
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I'm wondering on how they will try to debunk this.... with something like: "TS hacked ALLJACK5ONS Twitter account and he deleted those tweets"... or..Ehm....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks Bec!
LOLOL!! I think people will choose the easy way and ignore this post ;)
TS, search no further my friend! Bec's post should be tomorrow's redirect!
Lol, you bet ;)
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This is great news - thank you Bec for bringing it to our attention :D
He he! yes, thanks! That post, Bec, made me giggle.
I am so proud to be part of the ARMY of L.O.V.E. with all my fellow soldiers :D [/b][/color]
Yeeees, me tooooo (yippie icon)
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Bec Okay, great, cheveriiiiiiiisiimo :lol:
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
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:lol: this is great! thanks Bec !
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I'm wondering on how they will try to debunk this.... with something like: "TS hacked ALLJACK5ONS Twitter account and he deleted those tweets"... or..Ehm....
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Thanks Bec!
LOLOL!! I think people will choose the easy way and ignore this post ;)
TS, search no further my friend! Bec's post should be tomorrow's redirect!
Lol, you bet ;)
I CONCUR! ;)
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Thank you bec! I was thinking about that... and how they keep this tweet there... :roll:
Great news, i guess... :mrgreen:
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
:? :arrow: :shock: :arrow: :idea: :arrow: 8-)
I see! This is a good reminder. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
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Great job, bec! Paying attention to details is the sign of a good investigator. Thanks so much!
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Oh you made my day with this!!
When they started tweeting again 2 weeks ago or something like that I was a litlle dissapointed but now I hear they deleted some tweets to keep the Army of LOVE on the first page and I'm really happy and I think it's great.
Because I need any kind of encouragement to go on with this. I think many of us need it.
Thank you very much guys, you are all great.
Love you Michael more :D
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And thank you TS for this redirect, it's good you keep us informed because I have so little time to search for myself lately, but it;s good to know I can count on you to keep us updated.
Thank you TS and thank you Bec :D
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Great job BEC! Always good to have someone who see this things.
:D
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
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..and piece, by piece, by piece MJ is revealed until he jumps out and on Michael's command we begin... ;)
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
...I always thought the same...now this add more thoughts...
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
I've always thought TS was Marlon. I think you get just a little glimpse in the Jackson reality show that Marlon is very religious too. And, remember in the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y.
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Wow! Didn't realize this bec!! GREAT find!! :D
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Oh my, this is it!
Great find Bec! (http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Huepfen/smilie_hops_168.gif) (http://www.smilies.4-user.de)
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Yes! :)
P.S. I remember that they tweeted the words "STUDY PEACE"
I LOVE YOU ALL & GOD BLESS
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
I've always thought TS was Marlon. I think you get just a little glimpse in the Jackson reality show that Marlon is very religious too. And, remember in the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y.
In the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y. :shock: :shock: :shock: ???
WOW
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And yes it does sounds like the song I wanna be where you are :D
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Yes! :)
P.S. I remember that they tweeted the words "STUDY PEACE"
I LOVE YOU ALL & GOD BLESS
I rememeber this too :D
I can't believe I've never made the connection :geek:
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Well bec, I gotta admit. That's a great find. Thanks for sharing it so TS could redirect this thread to us. :)
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
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WOOW! That's a great find! Finally another important clue!
This is sooo exciting guys! THANK YOU BEC! And BIG THANK YOU TS!
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and I'm wondering why today's post doesn't pertain to justice in lieu of "Murray's"
trial today :oops:
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I don't want to sound dumb but ... who is TS? :oops:
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I don't want to sound dumb but ... who is TS? :oops:
:o
You have a lot of reading to do! Get some popcorn and a soda!
He has several posts on here,
search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts)
And he was the one who created http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com),
many people including myself believe he has inside information on the hoax, he's predicted several things and he's given very valuable information. Without TS who knows where we would be ;) he was also previously under the username "S.T.U.D.Y." Thanks TS!! :)
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Thanks Bec and TS!!!
Ask and you shall receive!!
I think a post would be appreciated. There are a lot of confused souls out there. My heart breaks to read so much anger on many other comments on TMZ site, when the man they love has plans made that should make them think!
Piece by piece by piece - as was said.
I smile :P
We L*O*V*E you Michael!
Proud to be a soldier of the army of L*O*V*E!!
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Ok, I think I'm really stupid..
When I'm on ALLJACK5ONS twitter the first message I see is: "Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar" 2:47 AM Aug 8th via TweetDeck
Shouldn't be this: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" 6:06 AM Mar 12th via TweetDeck ??? Or I don't understand something? :?
Thanks for explanation :D
LOVE you all!
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GREAT !!! :D :D :D
THIS IS IT!!!
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Ok, I think I'm really stupid..
When I'm on ALLJACK5ONS twitter the first message I see is: "Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar" 2:47 AM Aug 8th via TweetDeck
Shouldn't be this: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" 6:06 AM Mar 12th via TweetDeck ??? Or I don't understand something? :?
Thanks for explanation :D
LOVE you all!
No you're not stupid, just confused by the explanation. The Jackson Fans tweet is located at the bottom of the page. :)
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Ok, I think I'm really stupid..
When I'm on ALLJACK5ONS twitter the first message I see is: "Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar" 2:47 AM Aug 8th via TweetDeck
Shouldn't be this: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" 6:06 AM Mar 12th via TweetDeck ??? Or I don't understand something? :?
Thanks for explanation :D
LOVE you all!
No you're not stupid, just confused by the explanation. The Jackson Fans tweet is located at the bottom of the page. :)
The Jackson Fans? Where is it? lol
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The Jackson Fans? Where is it? lol
Here, at the bottom of the page: http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons)
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The Jackson Fans? Where is it? lol
Here, at the bottom of the page: http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons)
Yes, I see the last tweet, so it's all (this thread, I mean) about the words "study peace" or that tweet: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" ??
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The Jackson Fans? Where is it? lol
Here, at the bottom of the page: http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons)
Yes, I see the last tweet, so it's all (this thread, I mean) about the words "study peace" or that tweet: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" ??
I think the idea is that tweets have been deleted in order to keep the 'Jackson Fans ...' one on the first page, highlighting its importance.
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The Jackson Fans? Where is it? lol
Here, at the bottom of the page: http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons)
Yes, I see the last tweet, so it's all (this thread, I mean) about the words "study peace" or that tweet: "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J" ??
I think the idea is that tweets have been deleted in order to keep the 'Jackson Fans ...' one on the first page, highlighting its importance.
LOL You know, English is not my native language so all this time I thought that the "bottom" is the "top" of the page LOL Thanks for your patience :lol: Now I understand everything, silly me lol :D
L.O.V.E
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Thank you so very much Bec, this is a splendid discovery! With L.O.V.E.
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LOL You know, English is not my native language so all this time I thought that the "bottom" is the "top" of the page LOL Thanks for your patience :lol: Now I understand everything, silly me lol :D
L.O.V.E
Not silly at all - I'm always amazed at how well all you non-English speakers keep up with everything that's going on here!
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
I've always thought TS was Marlon. I think you get just a little glimpse in the Jackson reality show that Marlon is very religious too. And, remember in the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y.
In the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y. :shock: :shock: :shock: ???
WOW
What?! I didn't know that! Wow... learn something new everyday!
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LOL You know, English is not my native language so all this time I thought that the "bottom" is the "top" of the page LOL Thanks for your patience :lol: Now I understand everything, silly me lol :D
L.O.V.E
Not silly at all - I'm always amazed at how well all you non-English speakers keep up with everything that's going on here!
Well, for instance I can't understand everything people discuss in this forum because sometimes I'm just too lazy to read long texts and sometimes there are many texts with a rich dictionary, than I have to use translater and it takes much time to read the whole long text. And I haven't read all TS's posts because it's too long for non-English speaker like me lol :D And posts about trials, hearings, some documents, etc are also difficult to understand everything. But I'm happy I can understand the point of everything that's going on on this forum :)
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Thanks for sharing. I will have to read more of this later. :)
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but i witnessed something on TII that maybe the coreographer could it also be, because he teached mike something about the internet. It was on a special of it maybe on the bluray or the dvd i don´t know excactly but of course it could also be marlon but definitly some near in mike´s field. :?: :D ;) :o :)
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week. Hmmm....
This sure is an encouraging proof!! And yes it does sound like the song, Could it be I stayed away too long...
Way back in the beginning we wondered if TS was Marlon, and now this interesting connection. Hmm...
I've always thought TS was Marlon. I think you get just a little glimpse in the Jackson reality show that Marlon is very religious too. And, remember in the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y.
In the memorial book he signs S.T.U.D.Y. :shock: :shock: :shock: ???
WOW
What?! I didn't know that! Wow... learn something new everyday!
can someone tell me where marlon signs S.T.U.D.Y. at the memorial? screenshot maybe? a link? or just the page at the memorial here you have a link but i can´t see marlon signning S-T-U-D-Y- :?
http://perezhilton.com/galleries/index. ... ory_end=4# (http://perezhilton.com/galleries/index.php?pgid=59993&item=15&category_id=newest&category_start=0&category_end=4#)
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
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GREAT!!!
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/10/michael-j ... e-you-are/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/10/michael-jackson-resurrected-by-cali-swag-district-new-song-where-you-are-i-wanna-be-where-you-are/)
okay, this happend two or three days later. :o
(Tmz..watch your urls!)
:mrgreen:
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i'm confused :? is the army of love about the jacksons or michael?
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/10/michael-jackson-resurrected-by-cali-swag-district-new-song-where-you-are-i-wanna-be-where-you-are/
okay, this happend two or three days later. :o
(Tmz..watch your urls!)
:mrgreen:
I don't get it (?) Do you have the right thread?
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i'm confused :? is the army of love about the jacksons or michael?
Well TS says it's about Michael and he seems to have coined the phrase so I guess he gets to determine. Besides, Jermaine said Jackson (singular) Fans... not JacksonS Fans, or J5 Fans or etc.
Michael always said his name was JACKSON... [not Jacko]. So that would make his fans Jackson Fans.
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http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/10/michael-jackson-resurrected-by-cali-swag-district-new-song-where-you-are-i-wanna-be-where-you-are/
okay, this happend two or three days later. :o
(Tmz..watch your urls!)
:mrgreen:
I don't get it (?) Do you have the right thread?
I think he talking about the article's url. The first part mainly, "Michael Jackson Resurrected."
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Both TS and Marlon uses the phrase "Study Peace"... I will show you :)
In TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI? TS wrote and provided us with the following link:
I am also the one who revealed the 1998 MJ autograph codes, and predicted the 9-9-09 connections to “This Is It” a couple days before 9-9-09; and indeed that prediction came true http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm.
If you go to the bottom of this post you will see that STUDY aka TS writes “It is time for everyone to STUDY peace” and right next to it he provides us with the following link to the Michael Jackson funeral program http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf in which Marlon signs “Study Peace”… Coincidence?
Also, if you have a look at the ALLJACK5ONS Twitter page http://twitter.com/alljack5ons Marlon signs “Study Peace - Mar Mar” and don’t forget that they just deleted old posts because someone wanted the “Army of L.O.V.E” post to show up again… Coincidence?
To me it’s pretty clear, TS and Marlon is the same person ;)
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Well I'd like to think TS is Marlon as, next to Michael, Marlon was always my favourite of the Jackson brothers, and I love the name Marlon :) But for all we know, TS could be made up of a team of people, with Marlon being just one of them.
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Or TS just uses the words and phrases of Marlon :? Because it's strange Michael's brother predicts MJ's comeback himself. Unless nobody of his family knows where is he and when he'll come back :roll: Idk, it's still hard to trust TS for me.
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Or TS just uses the words and phrases of Marlon <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Because it's strange Michael's brother predicts MJ's comeback himself. Unless nobody of his family knows where is he and when he'll come back <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> Idk, it's still hard to trust TS for me.
They might not know either. I think Mike is the only one that knows when he will be back, and maybe he doesn't even know himself yet.
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Or TS just uses the words and phrases of Marlon <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Because it's strange Michael's brother predicts MJ's comeback himself. Unless nobody of his family knows where is he and when he'll come back <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> Idk, it's still hard to trust TS for me.
They might not know either. I think Mike is the only one that knows when he will be back, and maybe he doesn't even know himself yet.
Agree.
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It makes me smile to think that TS might be Marlon, or indeed any of MJ's brothers. It's a warm feeling to think they may all be in this with him, with their own individual roles, a true Jackson production! Family is important.
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Well I'd like to think TS is Marlon as, next to Michael, Marlon was always my favourite of the Jackson brothers, and I love the name Marlon :) But for all we know, TS could be made up of a team of people, with Marlon being just one of them.
I think you are on the right track here. I don't think TS is Marlon but I do think Marlon or someone(s) close to the family is/are working closely together with others to create TS.
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Has anyone answered CC's question about where is it that Marlon signed S.T.U.D.Y.?? I would like to see the link myself too! I personally don't think TS is Marlon. CHEERS :P
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Has anyone answered CC's question about where is it that Marlon signed S.T.U.D.Y.?? I would like to see the link myself too! I personally don't think TS is Marlon. CHEERS :P
Here is a screenshot, this is what he wrote in the funeral program:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2b5dzr.jpg)
You can see the funeral program on this link:
http://www.etonline.com/documents/mjack ... 090409.pdf (http://www.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf)
And here are his tweets including "study", there's quite a lot of them :?
Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar
4:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
wow, look at all those hands up! ok, guys - I love you dearly. Remember, be good to yourself and Study Peace! Back tomorrow, Mar Mar
Mon Mar 08 2010 22:10:10 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
so stop calling me Jermaine. hahahaha. This... Is... Marlon Jackson. Study Peace.
Mon Mar 08 2010 22:04:10 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
#ijustwannathank all the JACKSON fans around the world from my heart! Study Peace, Marlon Jackson
Mon Mar 08 2010 21:48:06 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
ok, time to go. Much love to you all and always always... Study Peace. marlon j
Thu Feb 25 2010 19:31:07 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
@alljack5ons @jackiejackson5 @titojackson5 @randyjackson8 are the ONLY real accounts for me and my brothers. ALL ELSE IS FAKE. Study Peace
2:58 PM Feb 13th via web
@jodigomes told me about imposters. Please fans, UNFOLLOW marlonjackson4. that is not me nor my nephew tweeting. Sad. Study peace Marlon J
2:56 PM Feb 13th via web
jackson fans are the best in the universe. we love you always. gotta go now. Study Peace, Marlon J
Sat Feb 06 2010 19:42:16 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
ok, just finished chatting live. Be nice to each other. Love one another as we love you. goodnight & study peace! Marlon J
Sun Jan 24 2010 23:31:24 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
hello fans, pls help us in wishing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr a Happy Birthday Observance. Study Peace, Marlon J
Mon Jan 18 2010 12:15:00 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
Good Morning! Happy Birthday to Dr. Martin Luther King. Study Peace! -Marlon
Fri Jan 15 2010 09:46:06 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
I was on Good Day ATL today. Check it out http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/good_da ... how-011410 (http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/good_day_xtra/Marlon-Jackson-on-A%26E-Show-011410) -Study Peace! -Marlon
Thu Jan 14 2010 14:13:34 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
more REAL: @genevievejaxn I have to check w/my nephews Auggie, Randy Jr, Jaafar and Donte before I validate. so there u go! Study Peace, M
Sat Jan 09 2010 13:55:15 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
no, I don't like "posers", but I'm not going to feed attention to it. simply unfollow that acct. we'll notify Twitter. Study Peace, Marlon J
Sat Jan 09 2010 13:48:42 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
thx for the compliments about my children and grandkids. our family runs very deep. we r so blessed. Study Peace, Marlon
Mon Jan 04 2010 21:30:02 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
#thejacksons you can catch Tito and I Fri 9-10am EST on nationwide Top 40 stations from LA to Philly. Tune in! Study Peace, Marlon J
Tue Dec 22 2009 15:58:56 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
Please fans, spread love. This page is the only valid Jackson Bros and waiting for VERIFICATION. in meantime, enjoy us and study peace!
Fri Dec 18 2009 15:25:38 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
okay.. I'm going to be on Tom Joyner FRIDAY am with my bros Jackie Tito. Tune in. Marlon J, Study Peace
Fri Dec 18 2009 00:48:56 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
Hello Fans! Study Peace, Love Marlon
Thu Dec 17 2009 12:10:03 (Eastern Standard Time) via web
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Well, "who" was 1st, the chicken or the egg? TS´s posts or knowing that Marlon Jackson signed with Study peace?
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TS was first (as far as I am aware). He used the username "S.T.U.D.Y." at the time (on the old MJHD forum). In his signature, it even said "S.T.U.D.Y. peace" (if I remember correctly).
S.T.U.D.Y. posted before the funeral even happened.
Did Marlon put Study Peace in the memorial booklet?
If so, then maybe TS went by STUDY as a hint?
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I see.... can this be related?
Society for the Study of Peace, Conflict, and Violence: Peace Psychology Division
http://www.apa.org/about/division/div48.aspx (http://www.apa.org/about/division/div48.aspx)
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I see.... can this be related?
Society for the Study of Peace, Conflict, and Violence: Peace Psychology Division
http://www.apa.org/about/division/div48.aspx (http://www.apa.org/about/division/div48.aspx)
It could, idk...
I always thought the connection was to The Jacksons' song 'Man of War'...
[Chorus]
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Why don't you
Why don't you study peace
Man of war
Don't go to war no more
Study peace
Cause peace is what we need
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
Just because your army
Gives you strength and might
Truth is gonna win...wrong will
Never conquer right
Every man has the right to
Think and be free
You're like a spoiled brat
You want everything you see
You think you bombs guns, and planes
Make you a big man
When you invade
Another man's land
Tryin' to make him be what
You want him be
Tryin' to make him do
What you want him to
Tryin' to make him say
What you want him to say
I know there's got to
Be a better way
You think your way
Is the best way for all
You don't know everything
You don't know it all
You got respect a man
For the way he feels
You can't make people do
Things against their will
[Chorus]
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@ dontmakeitfactual, thanks for posting the lyrics to "Man of
War". I think it's interesting to note that Marlon sang lead spots on that song :) (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlon_Jackson )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khbZo3uOdJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khbZo3uOdJw)
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@ dontmakeitfactual, thanks for posting the lyrics to "Man of
War". I think it's interesting to note that Marlon sang lead spots on that song :) (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlon_Jackson )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khbZo3uOdJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khbZo3uOdJw)
Uhuh! :!:
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
Well, we don't know, we have no proof, but they could...cos for sure they're aware of us believers ;)
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Yes, we have no proof, either way.
I just can´t picture them reading "our" theories and investigations.
Some folks think we are too nutty and can´t let Michael go, the family could think the same about us :(
At first I got in mind that the hoax forums were created to help heal the heartbroken fans to cop better with MJ´s passing and by the time as today, we would have been accepting Michaels passing so the hoax forums will stay open untill there is no member heartbroken for Michael.
But as all has been developing, nothing makes sense, so either the law is not working right and the system is corrupted or MJ is in fact alive "in some way" or really dead and we can help the case to be solved somehow.
If the family read the forum, some of them surely will be annoyed, not only for us speculating but also because harsh words has been said towards other family members (Jermaine, Joe, LaToya...)
Let´s put it this way; I wish the family is not awared of some posts of this forum ;)
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
If I would know MJ is reading here I would not post or open up about my "thoughts" or opinions ;)
I am awared that this site is high up on the google search and that the estate is claming MJ´s stuff but I also think that the estate will start hitting/ taking down or back the most profitable or problematic sites. So far, this site looks harmless and it is "therapeutical" as well (regarding people who misses Michael).
There are 2 ways taking this; Jacksons read the forum or Jacksons don´t read the forum and I feel more comfortable with the second option ;)
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I second Souza's views. IF MJ faked his death, then it'd be hard to believe that they didn't read the hoax forums. And we're pretty certain that he did (fake it) 8-)
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
I absolutely agree.
And apart from that, even if he had died...I think even then family members/friends would be aware that there are people who believe that Mike is still alive, so they would know about this site anyway.
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
Absolutely!
And let's not forget TS' interaction with the Jacksons regarding the 'Army of Love' tweet. Do you think they would tweet something like that, leave that tweet on the page for months, and later delete some tweets after Marlon tweeted to get it back on their first page without knowing what they are doing..? Nah...I don't think so!
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I have no doubt at all that the Jacksons have visited this site and even posted comments here. I've felt that right from the start and, even though some rather unkind things have been said about various members of the Jackson Family, I'd say they would choose to overlook those comments and put it down to people being ignorant of the facts. I think they'd be far more interested in spreading Michael's message and writing things to encourage and educate the ones here who are genuinely searching for the Truth.
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
Absolutely!
And let's not forget TS' interaction with the Jacksons regarding the 'Army of Love' tweet. Do you think they would tweet something like that, leave that tweet on the page for months, and later delete some tweets after Marlon tweeted to get it back on their first page without knowing what they are doing..? Nah...I don't think so!
all of you are right! if MJ is really dead they already would say to us to STOP doing this... :|
and if really mj was killed by someone like CM don´t you think that La toya with her big mouth or Jermaine or all the family didn´t encourage us all to make something about it? like:
a silent march...
a manifestation for justice...
something... i don´t know... they know the MJFans are an army of love and they know that we know... just that... ;)
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I also think that Michael must be reading our posts because it wouldn't make any sense otherwise.
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I absolutely believe 100% that Michael and /or his family members come to this site to see how the hoax is progressing! If you look at Marlon's tweets on the previous page here(3), you will see that he "calls out" someone using the name Marlon4 who is claiming to be Marlon. He says this guy is Fake. So, If Michael was really dead, don't you think they would be all over trying to shut this site down saying we are Fake? I truly believe that this site is the "key" to the whole hoax. There is so much information here, but it is up to us to "connect the dots", "think for ourselves" "read between the lines" and to differentiate between what is actual "fact" and what is "fiction". Michael loves magic and illusion and "mystery". I believe that some of the topics on here are just planted as an "illusion" to see if we beLIEve everything we see or read. The word beLIEve speaks volumes itself! We see what we want to see and beLIEve what we want to beLIEve
This is a one of a kind, "real life Thriller" like nothing anyone, anywhere, has ever or will ever see again! I'm starting to believe that there is much, much more to this whole hoax then meets the eye...there are so many facets to this hoax, that only a genius like Michael, could ever pull it off! I think Michael is more involved here then we think people...we just need to "crack the code" in order to bring this hoax to an end, so we can move forward to a better world, with Michael leading the way!
What a Great ride Michael! This really has been the adventure of a lifetime! Thank you my sweet wonderful friend. You know I love you most! "Heart" To "Heart"...Always and Forever!
To all of the Jackson Family members, I would like to say God Bless You all, from the bottom of my heart! The strength and courage that it must take to endure this "Adventure" in the public eye, really shows the depth of LOVE and dedication you all have as a "family unit". You have shown us all what the "Power of Love" is all about! Thank you and I love you all! :) <3
Dayna
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Dayna - what a beautifully-written post! I had tears in my eyes by the time I got to the end of it :) I'd just like to echo everything you've said because I believe you've said it ALL and I cannot do better. I love my online "family" here. Even though I've never met any of you, I FEEL as if I know you through the words you've written and the sentiments you've expressed. Thank you Michael, and to your family and loyal friends who have helped you to make this possible. This journey is the certainly the most unique experience I've had in my life so far, and I sometimes feel as if we've really only seen the tip of the iceberg ... with more amazing and life-changing things to be revealed when the time is right. Love & peace, emerald xo
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Dayna - what a beautifully-written post! I had tears in my eyes by the time I got to the end of it :) I'd just like to echo everything you've said because I believe you've said it ALL and I cannot do better. I love my online "family" here. Even though I've never met any of you, I FEEL as if I know you through the words you've written and the sentiments you've expressed. Thank you Michael, and to your family and loyal friends who have helped you to make this possible. This journey is the certainly the most unique experience I've had in my life so far, and I sometimes feel as if we've really only seen the tip of the iceberg ... with more amazing and life-changing things to be revealed when the time is right. Love & peace, emerald xo
Thank you Emerald! Isn't it wonderful how close we have all become here on this site? We truly are a "family". I have never seen so many people come together this way! We bear our hearts, our souls and even our dreams with each other and we have done this without the knowledge of each others "looks", Race", "Age" or "Religion"! We only know each other through our hearts and our written word and that is such a beautiful thing! Michael has brought us together to show us what we can achieve when we think with our hearts and give our love freely to others! No matter what the outcome of this hoax brings us, we should always remember the "life" lessons we have learned here on our journey together. I truly love you all!
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@mjj4ever777 and emeraldcity: Two heartwarming posts! I thoroughly agree with you and believe this is only an "introductory course", to quote TS. I think that everything in his posts is there for a purpose; he doesn't waste words or write anything irrelevant. In my humble opinion, the fact that TS gave us the Lynyrd Skynyrd example is of strong significance.
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Dayna - what a beautifully-written post! I had tears in my eyes by the time I got to the end of it :) I'd just like to echo everything you've said because I believe you've said it ALL and I cannot do better. I love my online "family" here. Even though I've never met any of you, I FEEL as if I know you through the words you've written and the sentiments you've expressed. Thank you Michael, and to your family and loyal friends who have helped you to make this possible. This journey is the certainly the most unique experience I've had in my life so far, and I sometimes feel as if we've really only seen the tip of the iceberg ... with more amazing and life-changing things to be revealed when the time is right. Love & peace, emerald xo
Thank you Emerald! Isn't it wonderful how close we have all become here on this site? We truly are a "family". I have never seen so many people come together this way! We bear our hearts, our souls and even our dreams with each other and we have done this without the knowledge of each others "looks", Race", "Age" or "Religion"! We only know each other through our hearts and our written word and that is such a beautiful thing! Michael has brought us together to show us what we can achieve when we think with our hearts and give our love freely to others! No matter what the outcome of this hoax brings us, we should always remember the "life" lessons we have learned here on our journey together. I truly love you all!
THANKS FOR YOU BOTH! IN MICHAEL WORDS: WE ARE BRINGING LOVE BACK IN THE WORLD... THIS IS IT!
I love our family here, I love you all!!!
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Regardless, this proves to me that someone connected to the Jacksons want us to believe.
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Regardless, this proves to me that someone connected to the Jacksons want us to believe.
:lol: Sorry, but this just is opposing for the fun of it. Do you have a theory around that?
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Regardless, this proves to me that someone connected to the Jacksons want us to believe.
:lol: Sorry, but this just is opposing for the fun of it. Do you have a theory around that?
He he, snooping here.
Well, my theory is that one Jackson, may be the nephew of MJ I believe has a child with a dutch woman, so, since you are from Holland an also Mo, you two are connected to the Jacksons :D
(kidding ;))
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Regardless, this proves to me that someone connected to the Jacksons want us to believe.
:lol: Sorry, but this just is opposing for the fun of it. Do you have a theory around that?
He he, snooping here.
Well, my theory is that one Jackson, may be the nephew of MJ I believe has a child with a dutch woman, so, since you are from Holland an also Mo, you two are connected to the Jacksons :D
(kidding ;))
One of the Jackson's has a Dutch wife? Who? Never heard that one before...
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
Why? Don't you like women? :lol:
I think TS is a guy. Straight to the point, no bullshit, no arguments but hard evidence and he seems to be perfectly in control. Those are not really the standard characteristics of a woman, women are mostly more emotional and more snarky. Either that or TS is someone just posting on a guy's behalf.
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I just have a hard time to believe that any Jackson would be reading this hoax forum, sorry.
I would be surprised if they wouldn't. I am sure Mike reads it as well. Come on, if you fake your death, wouldn't you want to know what people think and what they do with the clues you provide?
Besides that, the estate is a leech on everyone's back who uses Mike's name and pictures on the internet or anywhere else, this website is on top of Google when you do a search for "michael jackson hoax" and on page 2 when you search for "michael jackson death". Do you really think they would be unaware of it? And if they are aware of it, don't you think they would want to monitor it? Like I said, I would be HIGHLY surprised if they would not be reading this site. And it might be possible some of them are members here as well. Like TS said:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
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Absolutely!
And let's not forget TS' interaction with the Jacksons regarding the 'Army of Love' tweet. Do you think they would tweet something like that, leave that tweet on the page for months, and later delete some tweets after Marlon tweeted to get it back on their first page without knowing what they are doing..? Nah...I don't think so!
all of you are right! if MJ is really dead they already would say to us to STOP doing this... :|
and if really mj was killed by someone like CM don´t you think that La toya with her big mouth or Jermaine or all the family didn´t encourage us all to make something about it? like:
a silent march...
a manifestation for justice...
something... i don´t know... they know the MJFans are an army of love and they know that we know... just that... ;)
wish they would elaberate on that
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
must be that michigan water you drink.
like that doo doo we had in indiana!
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
Why? Don't you like women? :lol:
I think TS is a guy. Straight to the point, no bullshit, no arguments but hard evidence and he seems to be perfectly in control. Those are not really the standard characteristics of a woman, women are mostly more emotional and more snarky. Either that or TS is someone just posting on a guy's behalf.
Mmmm yes I love women.
I'll just agree with you ;)
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
Why? Don't you like women? :lol:
I think TS is a guy. Straight to the point, no bullshit, no arguments but hard evidence and he seems to be perfectly in control. Those are not really the standard characteristics of a woman, women are mostly more emotional and more snarky. Either that or TS is someone just posting on a guy's behalf.
Mmmm yes I love women.
I'll just agree with you ;)
Oh man SEHF, we're getting somewhere! This is like the 5th time we agree! :lol:
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Well, ALLJACK5ON twitter account has been active again on MJ's birthday
The army of love tweet has gone from the front page, lets see if they delete posts again to make it re-appear...
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The obvious possibility that Team MJ visits this site and the original MJDH site goes without saying. It is never adviseable to be rude or careless on the Internet. You never know who you may be talking to........plus its very un- MJ to not be considerate. Seems a savvy thing to do if you are hoaxing the world to take an occasional temperature of your work.
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I've always felt TS was a man, just doesn't seem like a woman's communication style. I absolutely feel Michael, some of his siblings and friends occasionally come here, or report to MJ general summaries of what people are saying here. I don't think anything written fazes MJ at all, since he has heard it all, all his life. But he says he feeds off the love of his fans/supporters and I think we tell him we love him loud and clear.
For me this is what convinces me TS is the real deal. TMZ was the one who posted the news of MJ's death and the others followed them. The connection between TS and TMZ is clear and confirmed. TMZ have been dropping our hoax site deliberate and ongoing clues saying MJ's is alive all year. They have been keeping MJ and his family in the world's face continually for over a year, like no other media have done. TMZ's owner/founder is connected to MJ owned companies.
I believe TS matches Michael perfectly. Most of us have watched every interview, every music video, read every lyric he's written to get the soul of him (I can't stop till I get enough :P ) and I feel TS knows him better than any other person we've heard claiming to be close to him.
Dayna, your post is so true!
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I know I am new here but I have read all of TS posts, and it gives me a headache trying to figure out who he/she is (although I think TS is a guy!). Do you guys think it could be Jermaine? I mean think of how Jermaine keeps dropping hints as if he wants us to know something! Or Kenny Ortega? I guess it doesn't matter and we should all be greatful for TS :D. But it's only natural to be curious!!!
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I have read TS's info and have to say it is some pretty interesting info.
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Or TS just uses the words and phrases of Marlon <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Because it's strange Michael's brother predicts MJ's comeback himself. Unless nobody of his family knows where is he and when he'll come back <!-- s:roll: -->:roll:<!-- s:roll: --> Idk, it's still hard to trust TS for me.
They might not know either. I think Mike is the only one that knows when he will be back, and maybe he doesn't even know himself yet.
Michael arranged such a perfect plan like this. He arranged all those dates of funeral, memorial etc. I think he has a plan and an exact date for the come back. But in some circumstances he might have needed to change it. And agree, he could be the only one who knows about it.
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TS is definitely a woman :twisted:
In the post for Recruiting Soldiers for Michael's Army of L.O.V.E., TS uses we twice.
Recruiting Soldiers for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
Please post at least your support for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E. And additionally, entirely voluntarily, you can mention specifics that you are willing to do: starting with the “Man in the Mirror”, make that “change”; maybe a New Year’s resolution. And then go beyond yourself, and reach out to others, joining together in helping to “Heal the World”. This is Michael’s message; This Is It.
Even if you still believe that MJ is dead (or alive, but will never come back): the basic message is still just as important. So please don’t let doubt, as to whether MJ is still alive, stop you from helping to “heal the world”.
PLEASE NOTE: This is not a phishing scam; so please do not post your personal information. We want a quantity of people to show their support; but we are not asking for name, address, phone number, or other private info. Beware of anyone trying to get you to give out your personal information!
Additionally: please keep this thread only for Army Of L.O.V.E. support and discussion. If you want to talk about things in the TIAI Revealed threads, please do that under one of the 9 parts.
So whoever is writing the posts - he or she - there is also 'we'.
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I used to say, I and Me,
Now it's Us, now it's We!!
Sorry, couldn't help it - that lyric just sprung into my mind! Seems there's an MJ lyric for pretty much every occasion!
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Personally, I have never dependent upon "TS" leads or any others for that matter.
yes, between Michael & God.
As brilliant as Michael is and considering that he is a visionary, he could not have possibly anticipated all that's transpired in reaction to his "passing".
Michael is not only one of strong leadership qualities, he is a mediator and I think he has taken on the responsibility of being in sync with others (not just "hoaxers") in respect to his return.
This has much to do with safety, privacy and whatever Michael has up his sleeve.
It's for Michael & God to know and us to find out.
I just wish people had more patience for him.
He is deserving of all the respect in the world; something he has greatly lacked.
God's speed to Michael...
♥
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"TS wrote:
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact, if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him"
I am 1000% sure you are right again TS :|
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And I think Michael reads some of this forum, if he is alive.
And I'm sure the family is aware of this site and my question is - if Michael is dead, why don't they ask for this forum to be closed or why they don't take any stand about the "alive" theories?
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And I think Michael reads some of this forum, if he is alive.
And I'm sure the family is aware of this site and my question is - if Michael is dead, why don't they ask for this forum to be closed or why they don't take any stand about the "alive" theories?
I think they ignore because they know that people create hoax theories and other theories, like Elvis, for example, and especially MJ was a mysterious person, the largest global entertainment icon of all time. The family and their executors should find interesting the "movement" of fraud because in some way contributes to the perpetuation of the legend of MJ, hence the sale of their products, etc, and his family also takes advantage: media, concerts...
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The twitter account doesn't exist anymore!?
http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) - that's the right url, isn't it?
"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!"
But if you google "twitter.com/alljack5ons", the first result is the Army of Love tweet.
http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)
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The twitter account doesn't exist anymore!?
http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) - that's the right url, isn't it?
"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!"
But if you google "twitter.com/alljack5ons", the first result is the Army of Love tweet.
http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)
:shock: :shock: :shock:
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The twitter account doesn't exist anymore!?
http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) - that's the right url, isn't it?
"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!"
But if you google "twitter.com/alljack5ons", the first result is the Army of Love tweet.
http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)
:shock: :shock: :shock:
I think Marlon changed the name. Here: http://twitter.com/marlon_jackson (http://twitter.com/marlon_jackson)
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It's still there, just changed so it can be verified: http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson (http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson)
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I now believe that TS could be Elvis.
This is elviS
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Who is TS???? Is there a link to his or her website?? Thank you! :)
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Who is TS???? Is there a link to his or her website?? Thank you! :)
:shock:
OMG! lol...
Here: :arrow: search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts)
;)
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Username: TS
Joined: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:58 pm
TS in Pythagorean Numerology
[attachment=0:vssimzu0]TS PythagoreanNumrology.jpg[/attachment:vssimzu0]
Sun - The Seventh Day - 7
The Date - 12/ 20/2009
1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 9 = 16, 1 + 6 = 7
OR The date plus the time
1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 9 + 5 + 5 + 8 = 34, 3 + 4 = 7
777
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Username: TS
Joined: Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:58 pm
TS in Pythagorean Numerology
[attachment=0:14qofluu]TS PythagoreanNumrology.jpg[/attachment:14qofluu]
Sun - The Seventh Day - 7
The Date - 12/ 20/2009
1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 9 = 16, 1 + 6 = 7
OR The date plus the time
1 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 9 + 5 + 5 + 8 = 34, 3 + 4 = 7
777
:o :lol: neat! Thanks SD.
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It's still there, just changed so it can be verified: http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson (http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson)
They read this forum, for sure!
some members were saing that we don´t know if this account was real, and now we got verified account, Marlon can do a new account with his name, bu no, he uses the same and change the name... is just to prove that all they wrote there have a pourpose... thanks mar!
and about Serenity numerology... @Souza don´t you need another 7 for something???? i can´t remember where i read that you found two 7 and need the third... :roll:
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I do not think it's TS is someone close to Michael. I think he (she) is someone related to some science esoteric / mystical or something ... :roll: :?:
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It's still there, just changed so it can be verified: http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson (http://twitter.com/Marlon_Jackson)
They read this forum, for sure!
some members were saing that we don´t know if this account was real, and now we got verified account, Marlon can do a new account with his name, bu no, he uses the same and change the name... is just to prove that all they wrote there have a pourpose... thanks mar!
and about Serenity numerology... @Souza don´t you need another 7 for something???? i can´t remember where i read that you found two 7 and need the third... :roll:
LOL! :D I think it was found! You mean this? viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13503#p225117 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13503#p225117)
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(refer to thread: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=0 for information on Back)
I find it interesting that "Back" in a post from February 2009 refers to "tHREAD sTARTER, 2-words" in a discussion thread on the MJJC message board, entitled "michael's comeback performance". Please have a look at the original post in the link below:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/18012009.png/
It is also interesting that Back "New 7 days theory" posted in 2006 refers to "...As with the Killuminati, iN tHEORY, 72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only time will tell." as well as " Is the temperature set to 3+4+0 degrees and set for 7+0 minutes? Serenity referred to TS association with the number 7 in an earlier post on this thread and TS indeed equal 4+3 = 7 in either Pythagorean or Chaldean numerology and said that his 7th update most likely may not be before bamsday.
Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
Links to Back's posts on the New seven days theory:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/52582006.jpg/
http://img59.imageshack.us/i/72682006.jpg/
Let's say that it "may" just be a coincidence....but it is nevertheless an interesting one! ;)
With L.O.V.E
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(refer to thread: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=0) for information on Back)
I find it interesting that "Back" in a post from February 2009 refers to "tHREAD sTARTER, 2-words" in a discussion thread on the MJJC message board, entitled "michael's comeback performance". Please have a look at the original post in the link below:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/18012009.png/ (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/18012009.png/)
It is also interesting that Back "New 7 days theory" posted in 2006 refers to "...As with the Killuminati, iN tHEORY, 72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only time will tell." as well as " Is the temperature set to 3+4+0 degrees and set for 7+0 minutes? Serenity referred to TS association with the number 7 in an earlier post on this thread and TS indeed equal 4+3 = 7 in either Pythagorean or Chaldean numerology and said that his 7th update most likely may not be before bamsday.
Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
Links to Back's posts on the New seven days theory:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/52582006.jpg/ (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/52582006.jpg/)
http://img59.imageshack.us/i/72682006.jpg/ (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/72682006.jpg/)
Let's say that it "may" just be a coincidence....but it is nevertheless an interesting one! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
With L.O.V.E
Thank you TheRunninGirl for bringing this because this part got me thinking too, but we know what to think about 'coincidences'...Thread Starter... we keep on watching <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
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True Star, The Sun, The Study....who knows?
Up to this point, following TS´s redirects are based on "what if...." TS knows of Michael and the end of the hoax.
It´s taking a lot of energy to follow it lately with the Elvis (neverending) similarities.
My IQ gives that much :roll:
What´s the next step? is there something else we can do to help things move smoothly? what more is needed from us?
I feel totally static since some days back.
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)
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Look at what it says on the bottom of my shoes. They're dirty ignore that :Þ
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve.jpg)
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Look at what it says on the bottom of my shoes. They're dirty ignore that :Þ
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve.jpg)
:o :lol: :shock: :o :lol: :o :shock: :lol: :o
it's a conspiracy
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
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:lol: :lol:
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
go ahead you won't need them where we're going. ;) they will give you a nice little pair of footies with grippers on the bottom that match your nice little jacket. :shock: and the nurse will give you something to make you feel all better. :lol:
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Look at what it says on the bottom of my shoes. They're dirty ignore that :Þ
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve.jpg)
:shock: :o
"TS BELIEVE"
That's REALLY awesome! :D
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So whoever is writing the posts - he or she - there is also 'we'.
TS is definitely a woman
Do you think that TS could stand for "Three Sisters" (Janet, Rebbie, LaToya?)
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So whoever is writing the posts - he or she - there is also 'we'.
TS is definitely a woman
Do you think that TS could stand for "Three Sisters" (Janet, Rebbie, LaToya?)
yeah i thought about the siblings
also thought about the stooge
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Telesync (TS): A TS movie is usually capped from a digital Camera just like a Cam. However, the audio source is digital, and usually taken from a hearing imparied jack so there is no backgroud noise. Also, TS's are usually filmed in a empty theater from a Tripod in the seating section or the Projection Booth for high quality.
So TS movies are previews, only those who know how to get it can watch the movie when it's not yet released in cinemas in their country. Kinda like what TS is doing, he is 'showing' us parts of a movie that has not been released yet. Thought it was kinda funny... :lol:
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Oh, another nice one:
TS: Tupac Shakur?
On September 7, 1996 [14 years ago = 77], Shakur was shot four times in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas, and died six days later of respiratory failure and cardiac arrest at the University Medical Center.
:lol:
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
go ahead you won't need them where we're going. ;) they will give you a nice little pair of footies with grippers on the bottom that match your nice little jacket. :shock: and the nurse will give you something to make you feel all better. :lol:
:lol: I think you're right about all of that..
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve2.jpg)
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Oh, another nice one:
TS: Tupac Shakur?
On September 7, 1996 [14 years ago = 77], Shakur was shot four times in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas, and died six days later of respiratory failure and cardiac arrest at the University Medical Center.
:lol:
That would be a cool return Tupac/MJ/Elvis
make the website lets spam twitter :P
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Oh, another nice one:
TS: Tupac Shakur?
On September 7, 1996 [14 years ago = 77], Shakur was shot four times in a drive-by shooting in Las Vegas, and died six days later of respiratory failure and cardiac arrest at the University Medical Center.
:lol:
now that's kinda spooky. we need a smiley with a cold chill going up it's spine.
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Anyone notice it's kinda like they left that Army of L.O.V.E. tweet at the bottom of the page til someone noticed it was there before revamping that J5 site?
I feel like it was mere days after I posted this that Marlon "took over" the page. And it sat untouched for weeks. Seems too ironic to me.
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Anyone notice it's kinda like they left that Army of L.O.V.E. tweet at the bottom of the page til someone noticed it was there before revamping that J5 site?
I feel like it was mere days after I posted this that Marlon "took over" the page. And it sat untouched for weeks. Seems too ironic to me.
Oh bec, that's probably another 'coincidence' ;) :lol:
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You don't want to see the autopsy photo of Tupac.
It is in the web and not meant for weak nerves.
The person there is identifiable by the numerous tattoos described at other places.
IMO no fake at all.
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You don't want to see the autopsy photo of Tupac.
It is in the web and not meant for weak nerves.
The person there is identifiable by the numerous tattoos described at other places.
IMO no fake at all.
I've seen it when I was younger. I don't think it's fake either. I felt so sorry for him. I still do. :( :cry: :cry:
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You don't want to see the autopsy photo of Tupac.
It is in the web and not meant for weak nerves.
The person there is identifiable by the numerous tattoos described at other places.
IMO no fake at all.
I've seen it when I was younger. I don't think it's fake either. I felt so sorry for him. I still do. :( :cry: :cry:
It's not that bad, I've seen it as well. Could easily be a fake.
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You don't want to see the autopsy photo of Tupac.
It is in the web and not meant for weak nerves.
The person there is identifiable by the numerous tattoos described at other places.
IMO no fake at all.
I've seen it when I was younger. I don't think it's fake either. I felt so sorry for him. I still do. :( :cry: :cry:
It's not that bad, I've seen it as well. Could easily be a fake.
Tupac's autopsy picture is FAKE.... Let me explain you why... Tupac has a big tattoo on his right side of the neck and on his chest, and the 'guy' on the autopsy table HADN'T them,Tupac has a crystal clear tattoo on his right arm,while the tattoo of the 'guy' was a mess and also the 'guy' on the autopsy table was darker than Tupac. I'm not going to post the autopsy picture here, but on the web you can find billion comparison pictures....
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@SEHF
Thanks for the laughs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I can´t stop :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: all mascara gone :lol: :lol: thanks.
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)
What are you refering to?
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
<!-- m -->http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)<!-- m -->
What are you refering to?
first of all to get here i keyed in The Sheperd
porter ranch campus? ranch records
theme for 2010 anventure in faith
sheperd of the hill/ holmley (sp) hills
doesn't one campas of the cemetary have hills in the area name?
some of the other things about the organization just seem like him
probably just me being crazy . or it just means we could get all kinds of crazy results from any infromation given to us. that could lead us on a lot of goose chases <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
<!-- m -->http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)<!-- m -->
first of all to get here i keyed in The Sheperd
porter ranch campus? ranch records
theme for 2010 anventure in faith
sheperd of the hill/ holmley (sp) hills
doesn't one campas of the cemetary have hills in the area name?
some of the other things about the organization just seem like him
probably just me being crazy . or it just means we could get all kinds of crazy results from any infromation given to us. that could lead us on a lot of goose chases <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I don't think this site is connected to Michael. The pastor is Dudley Rutherford and he has a blog.
A little about a lot
Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Today is the service for Michael Jackson. I am soooooooooooo torn on my feelings. I know that he was a great entertainer but forgive me for NOT being able to seperate his music from the life he lived and from things that I have seen and heard HIM say on videos. I am all for honoring people for their accompishments. I really am. I also understand the world and the media focusing on his life, and it's tragic anytime anyone dies and I wish he were still alive.
But I just want to remind everyone that there is ONLY ONE KING.
It's not Michael Jackson and it's not Elvis and it's not Lebron James.
Jesus Christ is the KING of KINGS, and he is NOT dead, He is alive, He has risen from the dead, and if you put your trust in HIM you will have EVERLASTING life.
http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html (http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html)
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doesn't really change my point though.
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
<!-- m -->http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)<!-- m -->
first of all to get here i keyed in The Sheperd
porter ranch campus? ranch records
theme for 2010 anventure in faith
sheperd of the hill/ holmley (sp) hills
doesn't one campas of the cemetary have hills in the area name?
some of the other things about the organization just seem like him
probably just me being crazy . or it just means we could get all kinds of crazy results from any infromation given to us. that could lead us on a lot of goose chases <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I don't think this site is connected to Michael. The pastor is Dudley Rutherford and he has a blog.
A little about a lot
Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Today is the service for Michael Jackson. I am soooooooooooo torn on my feelings. I know that he was a great entertainer but forgive me for NOT being able to seperate his music from the life he lived and from things that I have seen and heard HIM say on videos. I am all for honoring people for their accompishments. I really am. I also understand the world and the media focusing on his life, and it's tragic anytime anyone dies and I wish he were still alive.
But I just want to remind everyone that there is ONLY ONE KING.
It's not Michael Jackson and it's not Elvis and it's not Lebron James.
Jesus Christ is the KING of KINGS, and he is NOT dead, He is alive, He has risen from the dead, and if you put your trust in HIM you will have EVERLASTING life.
http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html (http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html)
What if TS is this minister and wants us to accept Jesus as the KING and only KING and that´s why Elvis and MJ are shown in his threads? *eating dog cookie*
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You don't want to see the autopsy photo of Tupac.
It is in the web and not meant for weak nerves.
The person there is identifiable by the numerous tattoos described at other places.
IMO no fake at all.
I've seen it when I was younger. I don't think it's fake either. I felt so sorry for him. I still do. :( :cry: :cry:
It's not that bad, I've seen it as well. Could easily be a fake.
Tupac's autopsy picture is FAKE.... Let me explain you why... Tupac has a big tattoo on his right side of the neck and on his chest, and the 'guy' on the autopsy table HADN'T them,Tupac has a crystal clear tattoo on his right arm,while the tattoo of the 'guy' was a mess and also the 'guy' on the autopsy table was darker than Tupac. I'm not going to post the autopsy picture here, but on the web you can find billion comparison pictures....
:o :o :shock: Say what?? So, the other guy on the table could be a double???? :shock:
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The Sheperd:
notice any key words here?
<!-- m -->http://www.theshepherd.org/ (http://www.theshepherd.org/)<!-- m -->
first of all to get here i keyed in The Sheperd
porter ranch campus? ranch records
theme for 2010 anventure in faith
sheperd of the hill/ holmley (sp) hills
doesn't one campas of the cemetary have hills in the area name?
some of the other things about the organization just seem like him
probably just me being crazy . or it just means we could get all kinds of crazy results from any infromation given to us. that could lead us on a lot of goose chases <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
I don't think this site is connected to Michael. The pastor is Dudley Rutherford and he has a blog.
A little about a lot
Tuesday, July 07, 2009
Today is the service for Michael Jackson. I am soooooooooooo torn on my feelings. I know that he was a great entertainer but forgive me for NOT being able to seperate his music from the life he lived and from things that I have seen and heard HIM say on videos. I am all for honoring people for their accompishments. I really am. I also understand the world and the media focusing on his life, and it's tragic anytime anyone dies and I wish he were still alive.
But I just want to remind everyone that there is ONLY ONE KING.
It's not Michael Jackson and it's not Elvis and it's not Lebron James.
Jesus Christ is the KING of KINGS, and he is NOT dead, He is alive, He has risen from the dead, and if you put your trust in HIM you will have EVERLASTING life.
http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html (http://dudleyrutherford.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html)
What if TS is this minister and wants us to accept Jesus as the KING and only KING and that´s why Elvis and MJ are shown in his threads? *eating dog cookie*
ok what are you talking about dog cookies? i see a video of judith singing we are the world. do these open up to articles or something?
the way the comments are written is kind of odd.criptic
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the autopsy of Tupac is FAKE...What Puff says is true. ;)
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the autopsy of Tupac is FAKE...What Puff says is true. ;)
Michael always wanted to do one better than "Thriller". What better than to have a real-life version and see people we thought had passed over to the other side return "from the dead"? ;)
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(refer to thread: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167&start=0) for information on Back)
I find it interesting that "Back" in a post from February 2009 refers to "tHREAD sTARTER, 2-words" in a discussion thread on the MJJC message board, entitled "michael's comeback performance". Please have a look at the original post in the link below:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/18012009.png/ (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/18012009.png/)
It is also interesting that Back "New 7 days theory" posted in 2006 refers to "...As with the Killuminati, iN tHEORY, 72 hours previous the logic of a moment etched within a 7 day theory, is possible, but only time will tell." as well as " Is the temperature set to 3+4+0 degrees and set for 7+0 minutes? Serenity referred to TS association with the number 7 in an earlier post on this thread and TS indeed equal 4+3 = 7 in either Pythagorean or Chaldean numerology and said that his 7th update most likely may not be before bamsday.
Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
Links to Back's posts on the New seven days theory:
http://img66.imageshack.us/i/52582006.jpg/ (http://img66.imageshack.us/i/52582006.jpg/)
http://img59.imageshack.us/i/72682006.jpg/ (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/72682006.jpg/)
Let's say that it "may" just be a coincidence....but it is nevertheless an interesting one! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
With L.O.V.E
Thank you TheRunninGirl for bringing this because this part got me thinking too, but we know what to think about 'coincidences'...Thread Starter... we keep on watching <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
And you know Sarahli, there is a post from Back from 5/11/2009 where he says:
"Every occurence in life has reasoning.......
Nothing is by cooincidence.
Cooincidence was a term formulated to supplement reasoning. (i.e. a lazy place-holder for reasoning).
Keep WATCHIN'.......
Just like TS, Back does not believe in "cooincidences" and please note that there are 7 dots after reasoning and seven dots after WATCHIN'! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
With L.O.V.E
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So is it a coincidence 'cooicidence' was spelled wrong twice? Or is it a clue :o
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Speaking about 7 again - I saw the possible track list for the new album in November and one of the songs is called "Seven Digit" :?
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TS - Tmz Staff ?!?!?!
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
go ahead you won't need them where we're going. ;) they will give you a nice little pair of footies with grippers on the bottom that match your nice little jacket. :shock: and the nurse will give you something to make you feel all better. :lol:
:lol: I think you're right about all of that..
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve2.jpg)
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
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TS= TOP SECRET
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TS
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
TS may stand for:
In biology, chemistry, engineering, medicine, meteorology and physics
* Tensile strength, a measures of the force required to pull something
* Thymidylate synthase, the enzyme used to generate thymidine monophosphate
* Tosyl in chemistry, combines the toluene and sulfonyl functional groups
* Tourette syndrome, a neurological condition involving involuntary tics
* Transsexual, a person who identifies as the gender opposite to the sex assigned to them at birth
* Tropical storm, an organized system of strong thunderstorms
* Tuberous sclerosis, a disease that causes benign tumours in the brain and on other organs
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
* Turner syndrome, a group of chromosomal abnormalities
In business, computing and technology:
* MPEG transport stream (.ts), communications protocol for audio, video, and data
* TeamSpeak, a voice chat software
* TechSpot, an online computer enthusiast magazine
* Telesync, an unauthorized movie capture method
* Tenaris TS: NYSE, a global manufacturer of steel pipe products
* Terminal Services, a component of Microsoft Windows operating systems
* Timestamp, a time code or a digitally signed timestamp as in {ts '2005-10-27 00:00:00'}
* Train simulator, a computer program that simulates rail transport operations
* Transaction server, a software component that is used in implementing transactions
In culture, politics and society:
* Taylor Swift, an American country singer
* Teaspoon, as a unit of volume in cooking
* Texas Syndicate, a Hispanic prison gang
* Theosophical Society, an organization to advance the doctrine of Theosophy
* Top Secret, a security classification
* Transcendental Students, a radical student group at NYU in the late 1960s and early 1970s
* Transition School, an accelerated college entrance program at the University of Washington
* Treaty series, a collection of United States treaties published by the US Department of State
* TS, the code for South Tipperary, Ireland
In language, linguistics, literature and media:
* The Simpsons, an American animated TV series :lol:
* The Sims, a series of people simulator games
* Toy Story, a 1995 CGI film
* The Soup, an American series
* Ts (digraph), in the Latin alphabet
* Voiceless alveolar affricate, in linguistics, a type of consonantal sound
* Ц, the Cyrillic letter representing the ts sound or voiceless alveolar affricate
* The Scream, a painting
* The Specialists, a computer video game modification of the popular first-person shooter Half-Life
* Tenor saxophone, musical instrument, reeds
* Tiberian Sun, a game in the Command & Conquer series of video games
* TinySex, slang for sex roleplay
* Terminator Salvation, a 2009 American science fiction post-apocalyptic war film
* TimeSplitters (series), a video game series, formally known as Free Radical Design
* Tsonga language, a language in Africa.
In transportation:
* Air Transat IATA code
* Tidewater Southern Railway, a short line railroad in Central California
* Turbine Ship, steamships powered by the steam turbine
* Twin Spark, an engine technology usually in the context of Alfa Romeo cars
****** TS Transport Stream
****** TS Transsexual
****** TS Timestamp
****** TS Technical Support
****** TS Terminal Service
****** TS Terms of Service
****** TS Table Saw (woodworking)
****** TS Tunisia
****** TS The Sims (computer game)
****** TS Tri-State
****** TS Technical Specification
****** TS The Stuff (movie)
****** TS Test Set
****** TS Tropical Storm
****** TS Technical Services
****** TS Cleveland (postcode, United Kingdom)
****** TS Toy Story
****** TS Times Square
****** TS Trieste (Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy)
****** TS Temperature Sensor
****** TS Teamspeak
****** TS Top Speed
****** TS The Simpsons (TV show)
****** TS Twisted Sister (band)
****** TS Township
****** TS Transaction Server
****** TS Training Support
****** TS Time Sharing
****** TS Teesside (UK post code)
****** TS Tasmania (Australia)
****** TS Teaspoon
****** TS Turner Syndrome (XO monosomy in girls)
****** TS Thunderstorm
****** TS TeleSync
****** TS Tensile Strength
***** TS Transportation System (Siemens)
***** TS Total Score
***** TS Temperature Sensitive (cells)
***** TS Translation Services
***** TS Tupac Shakur ;)
***** TS Town Square
***** TS Twin Sister
***** TS Tenor Saxophone
***** TS Transport Service
***** TS The Syndicate (online gaming guild)
***** TS Technical School
***** TS Treatment System
***** TS Transfer Station (waste, shipping, mining)
***** TS Terror Squad (band)
***** TS Terror Squad (gaming clan)
***** TS Tuberous Sclerosis
***** TS Thoracic Surgery
***** TS Trisomy
***** TS Tiberian Sun (game)
***** TS Tom Sawyer
***** TS Technical Solution
***** TS Temperature Switch
***** TS The Specialists (gaming, Half-Life)
***** TS Test Solution
***** TS Timestamping (IRC)
***** TS Total Solids (environmental biology)
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
***** TS The Shins (band)
***** TS Trade Station (investing/trading software)
***** TS Toisin Sanoen
***** TS Typescript
***** TS Tramp Stamp
***** TS Technical Standard
***** TS Time Sheet
***** TS Toxic Substance
***** TS Trading Spouses (TV show)
***** TS Trouble Shooter
***** TS Tabu Search (algorithm)
***** TS Theological Studies (Journal)
***** TS Treasury Stock
**** TS Test Specification
**** TS Targeting System
**** TS Tough Stuff (polite form)
**** TS Trailing Stop (investing/trading)
**** TS Test Station
**** TS Thermal Sensor (computing)
**** TS Terribly Sad
**** TS Test Switch
**** TS Telegraph System
**** TS Temple Square (Salt Lake City, UT, USA)
**** TS Text Structure
**** TS Temporary Structure
**** TS Target Start
**** TS Total Strength
**** TS Transient State (of a reaction or system)
**** TS Tale Spin (cartoon)
**** TS Training Squadron
**** TS Team Shot
**** TS Transmission Scheme
**** TS Trypticase Soy
**** TS Tenure System
**** TS Technical Sergeant
**** TS Target Strength
**** TS Tentative de Suicide (French: Suicide Attempt)
**** TS Transfer Start (memory controllers)
**** TS Trunk Side
**** TS Tamper Switch
**** TS True Shame
**** TS Traffic Sensitive
**** TS Task Support
**** TS Trusted Solaris
**** TS Tail Suspension (rat scientific testing)
**** TS Transit Storage
**** TS Transmitter Station
**** TS Tip, Sleeve
*** TS Timer State
*** TS Terribly Sexy
*** TS Tipperary South (Ireland)
*** TS Twin Stack (decoder)
*** TS Turbine Ship
*** TS Timothy Syndrome
*** TS Taura Syndrome
*** TS Tennessee Smokies (Minor League baseball team)
*** TS Tethered Satellite
*** TS Torch Soldering
*** TS Tandem Server
*** TS Toilet Stop :lol:
*** TS Townsend's Solitaire (bird species)
*** TS Transition Season
*** TS Transitional Strategy
*** TS Toll Switching
*** TS Tevynes Sajunga (Homeland Union Party, Lithuania)
*** TS Terminating Switch
*** TS Transit Switch
*** TS Telemetry Station
*** TS Tube Settler (wastewater treatment)
*** TS Trigger Supervisor
*** TS Treating Source
*** TS Test Secretary
*** TS Tunnel Switch
*** TS Twin Skies (computer game)
*** TS Tangent to Spiral
*** TS Trans-Section
*** TS Thyssen Schachtbau GmbH
** TS Triathlonscotland
** TS Tribal Souls (band)
** TS Topological Surgery
** TS Tagging Spectrometer
** TS TELE-Sputnik (Satellite, Cable TV and Telecommunication magazine, Russia)
** TS Tritium Storage
** TS Thermal Smooth (weather)
** TS Tethered Swimming
** TS Tackable Surface
** TS Thyristor Switch
** TS Triumphant Sound (Manhattan Christian College, Manhattan, KS singing group)
** TS Thor Shield (G2 Consulting)
** TS Tough Save (baseball)
** TS Tending Side
** TS Tesselated Sheroid
** TS Test/Type Specification
** TS Science and Engineering Support Office (NIMA)
** TS Tidewater Southern Railway Company
** TS Thresher-Separator
** TS Temple Siege (game)
** TS Trembler Switch
** TS Tropical Staining (philately)
** TS Toogoolawa School (Gold Coast, Australia)
** TS Trabzon Spor Klübü (Trabzon, Turkey)
* TS Trajectory Synthesis CSCI
* TS Times-Shamrock, Inc. (Scranton, PA)
* TS Transaction Separator
* TS Theil Statistic (software reliability)
* TS Theological Seminary
* TS Tele Soluciones (Guatemala)
* TS Training Ship
* TS Training Specialist
* TS Traffic Shaping
* TS Traffic Signal
* TS Trading Spaces (TV show)
* TS Trabzonspor (Turkey)
* TS Tracking Sensor
* TS Tourette Syndrome
* TS Total System
* TS Totally Spies (TV show)
* TS Total Solution (RWM Data Management Ltd.)
* TS TimeSplitters (video game)
* TS Top Secret
* TS Top Soil
* TS Top Spin (game)
* TS Tony Stewart
* TS Thymidylate Synthase
* TS Thermal Subsystem (company)
* TS Thermal Systems
* TS Thomas Stearns (poet T.S. Eliot)
* TS Time Slot
* TS Time Switch
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Well, TS has to mean something, I don't think it's random.
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
go ahead you won't need them where we're going. ;) they will give you a nice little pair of footies with grippers on the bottom that match your nice little jacket. :shock: and the nurse will give you something to make you feel all better. :lol:
:lol: I think you're right about all of that..
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve2.jpg)
Hahaha, nice one! :lol: It's about time we got a bit of humour on this site-I'm not exactly always the serious type :roll: xxxx
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TS
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
TS may stand for:
In biology, chemistry, engineering, medicine, meteorology and physics
* Tensile strength, a measures of the force required to pull something
* Thymidylate synthase, the enzyme used to generate thymidine monophosphate
* Tosyl in chemistry, combines the toluene and sulfonyl functional groups
* Tourette syndrome, a neurological condition involving involuntary tics
* Transsexual, a person who identifies as the gender opposite to the sex assigned to them at birth
* Tropical storm, an organized system of strong thunderstorms
* Tuberous sclerosis, a disease that causes benign tumours in the brain and on other organs
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
* Turner syndrome, a group of chromosomal abnormalities
In business, computing and technology:
* MPEG transport stream (.ts), communications protocol for audio, video, and data
* TeamSpeak, a voice chat software
* TechSpot, an online computer enthusiast magazine
* Telesync, an unauthorized movie capture method
* Tenaris TS: NYSE, a global manufacturer of steel pipe products
* Terminal Services, a component of Microsoft Windows operating systems
* Timestamp, a time code or a digitally signed timestamp as in {ts '2005-10-27 00:00:00'}
* Train simulator, a computer program that simulates rail transport operations
* Transaction server, a software component that is used in implementing transactions
In culture, politics and society:
* Taylor Swift, an American country singer
* Teaspoon, as a unit of volume in cooking
* Texas Syndicate, a Hispanic prison gang
* Theosophical Society, an organization to advance the doctrine of Theosophy
* Top Secret, a security classification
* Transcendental Students, a radical student group at NYU in the late 1960s and early 1970s
* Transition School, an accelerated college entrance program at the University of Washington
* Treaty series, a collection of United States treaties published by the US Department of State
* TS, the code for South Tipperary, Ireland
In language, linguistics, literature and media:
* The Simpsons, an American animated TV series :lol:
* The Sims, a series of people simulator games
* Toy Story, a 1995 CGI film
* The Soup, an American series
* Ts (digraph), in the Latin alphabet
* Voiceless alveolar affricate, in linguistics, a type of consonantal sound
* Ц, the Cyrillic letter representing the ts sound or voiceless alveolar affricate
* The Scream, a painting
* The Specialists, a computer video game modification of the popular first-person shooter Half-Life
* Tenor saxophone, musical instrument, reeds
* Tiberian Sun, a game in the Command & Conquer series of video games
* TinySex, slang for sex roleplay
* Terminator Salvation, a 2009 American science fiction post-apocalyptic war film
* TimeSplitters (series), a video game series, formally known as Free Radical Design
* Tsonga language, a language in Africa.
In transportation:
* Air Transat IATA code
* Tidewater Southern Railway, a short line railroad in Central California
* Turbine Ship, steamships powered by the steam turbine
* Twin Spark, an engine technology usually in the context of Alfa Romeo cars
****** TS Transport Stream
****** TS Transsexual
****** TS Timestamp
****** TS Technical Support
****** TS Terminal Service
****** TS Terms of Service
****** TS Table Saw (woodworking)
****** TS Tunisia
****** TS The Sims (computer game)
****** TS Tri-State
****** TS Technical Specification
****** TS The Stuff (movie)
****** TS Test Set
****** TS Tropical Storm
****** TS Technical Services
****** TS Cleveland (postcode, United Kingdom)
****** TS Toy Story
****** TS Times Square
****** TS Trieste (Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy)
****** TS Temperature Sensor
****** TS Teamspeak
****** TS Top Speed
****** TS The Simpsons (TV show)
****** TS Twisted Sister (band)
****** TS Township
****** TS Transaction Server
****** TS Training Support
****** TS Time Sharing
****** TS Teesside (UK post code)
****** TS Tasmania (Australia)
****** TS Teaspoon
****** TS Turner Syndrome (XO monosomy in girls)
****** TS Thunderstorm
****** TS TeleSync
****** TS Tensile Strength
***** TS Transportation System (Siemens)
***** TS Total Score
***** TS Temperature Sensitive (cells)
***** TS Translation Services
***** TS Tupac Shakur ;)
***** TS Town Square
***** TS Twin Sister
***** TS Tenor Saxophone
***** TS Transport Service
***** TS The Syndicate (online gaming guild)
***** TS Technical School
***** TS Treatment System
***** TS Transfer Station (waste, shipping, mining)
***** TS Terror Squad (band)
***** TS Terror Squad (gaming clan)
***** TS Tuberous Sclerosis
***** TS Thoracic Surgery
***** TS Trisomy
***** TS Tiberian Sun (game)
***** TS Tom Sawyer
***** TS Technical Solution
***** TS Temperature Switch
***** TS The Specialists (gaming, Half-Life)
***** TS Test Solution
***** TS Timestamping (IRC)
***** TS Total Solids (environmental biology)
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
***** TS The Shins (band)
***** TS Trade Station (investing/trading software)
***** TS Toisin Sanoen
***** TS Typescript
***** TS Tramp Stamp
***** TS Technical Standard
***** TS Time Sheet
***** TS Toxic Substance
***** TS Trading Spouses (TV show)
***** TS Trouble Shooter
***** TS Tabu Search (algorithm)
***** TS Theological Studies (Journal)
***** TS Treasury Stock
**** TS Test Specification
**** TS Targeting System
**** TS Tough Stuff (polite form)
**** TS Trailing Stop (investing/trading)
**** TS Test Station
**** TS Thermal Sensor (computing)
**** TS Terribly Sad
**** TS Test Switch
**** TS Telegraph System
**** TS Temple Square (Salt Lake City, UT, USA)
**** TS Text Structure
**** TS Temporary Structure
**** TS Target Start
**** TS Total Strength
**** TS Transient State (of a reaction or system)
**** TS Tale Spin (cartoon)
**** TS Training Squadron
**** TS Team Shot
**** TS Transmission Scheme
**** TS Trypticase Soy
**** TS Tenure System
**** TS Technical Sergeant
**** TS Target Strength
**** TS Tentative de Suicide (French: Suicide Attempt)
**** TS Transfer Start (memory controllers)
**** TS Trunk Side
**** TS Tamper Switch
**** TS True Shame
**** TS Traffic Sensitive
**** TS Task Support
**** TS Trusted Solaris
**** TS Tail Suspension (rat scientific testing)
**** TS Transit Storage
**** TS Transmitter Station
**** TS Tip, Sleeve
*** TS Timer State
*** TS Terribly Sexy
*** TS Tipperary South (Ireland)
*** TS Twin Stack (decoder)
*** TS Turbine Ship
*** TS Timothy Syndrome
*** TS Taura Syndrome
*** TS Tennessee Smokies (Minor League baseball team)
*** TS Tethered Satellite
*** TS Torch Soldering
*** TS Tandem Server
*** TS Toilet Stop :lol:
*** TS Townsend's Solitaire (bird species)
*** TS Transition Season
*** TS Transitional Strategy
*** TS Toll Switching
*** TS Tevynes Sajunga (Homeland Union Party, Lithuania)
*** TS Terminating Switch
*** TS Transit Switch
*** TS Telemetry Station
*** TS Tube Settler (wastewater treatment)
*** TS Trigger Supervisor
*** TS Treating Source
*** TS Test Secretary
*** TS Tunnel Switch
*** TS Twin Skies (computer game)
*** TS Tangent to Spiral
*** TS Trans-Section
*** TS Thyssen Schachtbau GmbH
** TS Triathlonscotland
** TS Tribal Souls (band)
** TS Topological Surgery
** TS Tagging Spectrometer
** TS TELE-Sputnik (Satellite, Cable TV and Telecommunication magazine, Russia)
** TS Tritium Storage
** TS Thermal Smooth (weather)
** TS Tethered Swimming
** TS Tackable Surface
** TS Thyristor Switch
** TS Triumphant Sound (Manhattan Christian College, Manhattan, KS singing group)
** TS Thor Shield (G2 Consulting)
** TS Tough Save (baseball)
** TS Tending Side
** TS Tesselated Sheroid
** TS Test/Type Specification
** TS Science and Engineering Support Office (NIMA)
** TS Tidewater Southern Railway Company
** TS Thresher-Separator
** TS Temple Siege (game)
** TS Trembler Switch
** TS Tropical Staining (philately)
** TS Toogoolawa School (Gold Coast, Australia)
** TS Trabzon Spor Klübü (Trabzon, Turkey)
* TS Trajectory Synthesis CSCI
* TS Times-Shamrock, Inc. (Scranton, PA)
* TS Transaction Separator
* TS Theil Statistic (software reliability)
* TS Theological Seminary
* TS Tele Soluciones (Guatemala)
* TS Training Ship
* TS Training Specialist
* TS Traffic Shaping
* TS Traffic Signal
* TS Trading Spaces (TV show)
* TS Trabzonspor (Turkey)
* TS Tracking Sensor
* TS Tourette Syndrome
* TS Total System
* TS Totally Spies (TV show)
* TS Total Solution (RWM Data Management Ltd.)
* TS TimeSplitters (video game)
* TS Top Secret
* TS Top Soil
* TS Top Spin (game)
* TS Tony Stewart
* TS Thymidylate Synthase
* TS Thermal Subsystem (company)
* TS Thermal Systems
* TS Thomas Stearns (poet T.S. Eliot)
* TS Time Slot
* TS Time Switch
Thankyou for this, it's really intersting-good thinking! I think we MIGHT be onto something with Tupac...maybe. Top secret makes quite a lot of sense, and so do a couple of these. As for toilet stop, well :lol:
But also I think the 'three sisters' theory could be true...very true-it also makes sense. Looks like we're begginning to try and identify TS, though, so we're making some good progress her :D xxx
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I don't know what TS means on this site at all, or who it is if it's a person, but to the person who posted the picture of the shoes, ts simply stands for Team Series. I have a pair of Adidas Gils and it has the same thing. Also, Believe started being their slogan a few years ago after "Impossible Is Nothing" died out.
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TS, The Stalker :lol:
did I read that Back and TS write "cooincidence"?
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(http://www.juliensauctions.com/images/auctions/2009/music-icons/featured/michael-jackson-handwritten-ts-lyrics.jpg)
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(http://www.juliensauctions.com/images/auctions/2009/music-icons/featured/michael-jackson-handwritten-ts-lyrics.jpg)
:shock: Wow!! Where is that from?
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(http://www.juliensauctions.com/images/auctions/2009/music-icons/featured/michael-jackson-handwritten-ts-lyrics.jpg)
:shock: Wow!! Where is that from?
Notes with the lyrics for DS. Of course he wrote it wite Tom Sneddon in mind (TS), but the song is called DS on the album. He is supposed to sing something like Dom Sneldon, but I clearly hear Tom Sneddon there :lol:
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that handwriting is unmistakable :lol:
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Maybe I should remove the soles and see if there's a map leading to Michael under them? :P
go ahead you won't need them where we're going. ;) they will give you a nice little pair of footies with grippers on the bottom that match your nice little jacket. :shock: and the nurse will give you something to make you feel all better. :lol:
:lol: I think you're right about all of that..
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee491/showemhowfunky/TSBelieve2.jpg)
Ahahaha, this is just great! It made me laugh so hard. SEHF- good job xD
And bec, you're totally on point with the whole twitter thing. I saw the updates and I immediately thought "why update NOW?" Right after we caught on the Army of L.O.V.E. tweet. It's totally not a coincidence.
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BACK's post on 02/18/09 simply said "tHREAD-sTARTER, 2-words" KEEP WATCHIN'
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BACK's post on 02/18/09 simply said "tHREAD-sTARTER, 2-words" KEEP WATCHIN'
makes sense :D
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or some of Michael's crew....
Thanapoom Siripopungul
Tiffany Smith
Trent Smith
Shawn Trell
Tyne Stecklein
Timor Steffens
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(http://www.juliensauctions.com/images/auctions/2009/music-icons/featured/michael-jackson-handwritten-ts-lyrics.jpg)
:shock: Wow!! Where is that from?
Notes with the lyrics for DS. Of course he wrote it wite Tom Sneddon in mind (TS), but the song is called DS on the album. He is supposed to sing something like Dom Sneldon, but I clearly hear Tom Sneddon there :lol:
MJ is just so clever....thanks for the info! (I had forgotten about that song.)
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the autopsy of Tupac is FAKE...What Puff says is true. ;)
LOL Have you ever seen Tupac's autopsy report? It's even more ridiculous than MJ's.. they claim Tupac weighed 215lbs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and was 6ft tall :lol: :lol: :lol: there's no way that scrawny little dude was even a buck sixty soaking wet and he wasn't anywhere near 6ft tall.
Nothing more refreshing than his poorly photoshopped autopsy photo..
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the autopsy of Tupac is FAKE...What Puff says is true. ;)
LOL Have you ever seen Tupac's autopsy report? It's even more ridiculous than MJ's.. they claim Tupac weighed 215lbs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and was 6ft tall :lol: :lol: :lol: there's no way that scrawny little dude was even a buck sixty soaking wet and he wasn't anywhere near 6ft tall.
Nothing more refreshing than his poorly photoshopped autopsy photo..
LOL, where can I find that autopsy report?
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I don't know if this was posted already and if anyone is interested so here; "Tupac The 7 Day Theory."
http://hubpages.com/hub/Tupac-7-day-theorie (http://hubpages.com/hub/Tupac-7-day-theorie)
Tupacs last album recorded before his death was entitled The Don Killuminati: The 7 day theory. Nothing was ever explained in regards to the title but here are the strange facts surrounding the number 7 and the album in general.
* Tupac survived the shooting exactly 7 days
* Tupac died at 4:03, 4+3=7
* Tupac died at the age of 25, 2+5=7
* Tupac died in 1996, 9+9+1+6=25, 2+5=7
* The gunman shot 12-13 times, 1+2=3, 1+3=4, 4+3=7
* In the movie gang related Tupac played a cop with the badge number 115, 1+1+5=7
* Inside of the album cover it does not say R.I.P. to Tupac anywhere. All it says is exit Tupac enter Makeveli.
* The executive producer is listed only as Simon
* In the 7th song on the album White manz world Tupac says “Were never gonna walk off this planet till yall choose to”
* The album was released exactly 7 months after his previous album All Eyez On Me
* The cover of the album depicts Tupac being crucified.
Time will tell.
[youtube:1l7mc2ra]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdbZwYleniM&[/youtube:1l7mc2ra]
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the autopsy of Tupac is FAKE...What Puff says is true. ;)
LOL Have you ever seen Tupac's autopsy report? It's even more ridiculous than MJ's.. they claim Tupac weighed 215lbs :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and was 6ft tall :lol: :lol: :lol: there's no way that scrawny little dude was even a buck sixty soaking wet and he wasn't anywhere near 6ft tall.
Nothing more refreshing than his poorly photoshopped autopsy photo..
Hmmm :?: :o
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Souza do not know if you've seen this video, is a short interview with the doctor who made the autposia to Tupac.
He says things like he did not know who it was, talk about interesting things about the weight and body length, and that the autopsy report is not public because the case remained unsolved.
[youtube:3bii5687]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izL45Krfs-w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3bii5687]
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Well I read through all 9 parts of TIAI revealed. While I am a possible hoax believer, that was a massive waste of time and complete and utter nonsense. So someone is being creative with some redirects, and suddenly everyone believe this person KNOWS something? Give me a break.
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Well I read through all 9 parts of TIAI revealed. While I am a possible hoax believer, that was a massive waste of time and complete and utter nonsense. So someone is being creative with some redirects, and suddenly everyone believe this person KNOWS something? Give me a break.
Your comment is "interesting", we must be looking at TS posts with totally different "eyes" because my conclusions are exactly the opposite to yours.
Whilst I agree that some of the re-directs can be open to interpretation at time (Finding the Truth is part of the learning process), the well planned structure of the updates, the logic supporting the "hoax" numerology, the timing of some re-directs and their content are clearly more than mere coincidences!
In addition, this post from "Back" on 18/02/09" does leave very little (if any ;) ) doubts in my mind that "TS" is an integral part of the Hoax...
tHREAD-sTARTER
2-words
Keep WATCHIN'.......
With L.O.V.E
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Well I read through all 9 parts of TIAI revealed. While I am a possible hoax believer, that was a massive waste of time and complete and utter nonsense. So someone is being creative with some redirects, and suddenly everyone believe this person KNOWS something? Give me a break.
You say that you are a potential hoax believer. Can you please tell us what are the reasons that can possibly make you believe that this is a hoax?
TS creative? Yes certainly it requires creativity together with lot of thinking and a lot of sense too.
I'm sorry to say that but you are acting as many have already done by gratuitously "criticizing" TS. You just claim that this is "complete and utter nonsense" but you actually don't prove it. Can you explain in what it is a complete nonsense please?
While some people will say that 1+1=2 others will say that 1+1=11. It certainly depends on the context and the perspective in which things are 'studied', both can be true but it has to be explained in order to be comprehended and this is what TS has done, the information he has provided can be further investigated by ourselves and TS made a point to tell us to do it. Who would do that? On the contrary you have not proven him being wrong, we have no information from your part contradicting TS' information that we could investigate ourselves too.
But if this is really the final conclusion that you have ended up with after reading these posts the last thing we can do is just wait and see for The Truth to prevail.
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There is nothing to disprove. You can't prove a negative. What makes me a hoax believer is the lack of evidence, the ambulance stuff, the UCLA stuff, no doctors, the strange and bizarre behavior of everyone at the memorial service and the funeral. Plus, the fact that there are clues everywhere left by MJ (imo). I believe he was a brilliant artists and this is perhaps the greatest artistic performance of all time. I even can get onboard with some of the Illuminati connections, I do believe he was a threat to them.
But all this nonsense of numbers, please. Anyone can take any set of numbers and create patterns and say, see, look at the patterns! So, what if this person got their hands on a script of 2012 before it was released and knew the plot, the storyline, the character's name, etc. Big deal, that's not that difficult to do, especially in Los Angeles.
I just don't see any "predictions" coming true in any of TS's posts. That's not to say that I don't appreciate the work and respect the author, quite the contrary. If it gets people on board believing that something might be up and gets people to look deeper, then I'm all for it. But I don't see any real evidence in any of this.
I prefer to focus on the real evidence. The Death Certificate, the autopsy report, the fake ambulance photo, the LAPD, etc. etc.
This is Also It doesn't contain anything but some creative redirects, no solid proof or evidence of anything for me.
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But all this nonsense of numbers, please. Anyone can take any set of numbers and create patterns and say, see, look at the patterns!
Aaaah...I see that the ultimate winner of the $999 Reward has just checked in. :D
anonJedi, be my guest, and prove us that TS' numerology is just "nonsense of numbers"!
$999 Reward!!!
On the one year anniversary of 9-9-09, this is a very fitting time to offer this $999 reward. The reward will go to the first person who can show mathematically and statistically, that there is one chance in any number less than a million (1 chance in 999,999 or 1 chance in 500,000, etc), that all the MJ numerology listed in step 3 below happened by chance.
Anyone can accept this offer, but they must do each of the following 5 steps.
Step 1: Carefully read each of the following three times: all of this post, and TIAI Updates #4b, #4c, #5a, #5d, #6 (especially #6-8 & #6-9).
Step 2: Start a post (in the TIAI subforum) titled: “$999 Claim, By John Doe [don’t use this name, use your own username]”. Include in your post steps 3 and 4, below; also, any discussion regarding step 5 should be done in this same thread.
Step 3: Show your calculations for each separate numerology (a. to l.) happening by chance {for an example, see the 12:21 phone call time, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
Be sure to include:
a. The 911 call was in the first few seconds of 12:21
b. 12:21 to 2:26 is 2 hours and 5 minutes on June 25; 2 + 5 = 7
c. 1,221 + 226 = 1447; 1 + 4 + 4 + 7 = 16; 1 + 6 = 7
d. Memorial 7th day of 7th month, 7 years after will (and full moon)
e. 77 days from “death” to 9-9-09
f. 7 days from “burial” to 9-9-09 (and almost full moon)
g. THIS IS IT vowels = 999
h. HIS (HIStory and THIS IS IT) backwards = 1998
i. 1998 autograph; 1998 - 666 = 1332 / 4 = 333 + 666 = 999
j. 777 + 999 = 1776
k. All of these numbers (333, 666, 777, 999, 1221, 1776, 1998) are divisible by 111
l. 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001; 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040 (space intros for Elvis and MJ)
Step 4: Show your calculations for the combination of all these numerologies happening by chance. Your answer here at step 4 must be 1 chance in 999,999 or less (because one chance in a million or more does not qualify for the reward).
Step 5: Allow me to question/challenge your calculations.
If you can defend your calculations and statistics by answering my questions/challenges: then PM your mailing address to me, and I will send you $999 (U.S. dollars) via Western Union!
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TS may stand for:
In biology, chemistry, engineering, medicine, meteorology and physics
* Tensile strength, a measures of the force required to pull something
* Thymidylate synthase, the enzyme used to generate thymidine monophosphate
* Tosyl in chemistry, combines the toluene and sulfonyl functional groups
* Tourette syndrome, a neurological condition involving involuntary tics
* Transsexual, a person who identifies as the gender opposite to the sex assigned to them at birth
* Tropical storm, an organized system of strong thunderstorms
* Tuberous sclerosis, a disease that causes benign tumours in the brain and on other organs
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
* Turner syndrome, a group of chromosomal abnormalities
In business, computing and technology:
* MPEG transport stream (.ts), communications protocol for audio, video, and data
* TeamSpeak, a voice chat software
* TechSpot, an online computer enthusiast magazine
* Telesync, an unauthorized movie capture method
* Tenaris TS: NYSE, a global manufacturer of steel pipe products
* Terminal Services, a component of Microsoft Windows operating systems
* Timestamp, a time code or a digitally signed timestamp as in {ts '2005-10-27 00:00:00'}
* Train simulator, a computer program that simulates rail transport operations
* Transaction server, a software component that is used in implementing transactions
In culture, politics and society:
* Taylor Swift, an American country singer
* Teaspoon, as a unit of volume in cooking
* Texas Syndicate, a Hispanic prison gang
* Theosophical Society, an organization to advance the doctrine of Theosophy
* Top Secret, a security classification
* Transcendental Students, a radical student group at NYU in the late 1960s and early 1970s
* Transition School, an accelerated college entrance program at the University of Washington
* Treaty series, a collection of United States treaties published by the US Department of State
* TS, the code for South Tipperary, Ireland
In language, linguistics, literature and media:
* The Simpsons, an American animated TV series :lol:
* The Sims, a series of people simulator games
* Toy Story, a 1995 CGI film
* The Soup, an American series
* Ts (digraph), in the Latin alphabet
* Voiceless alveolar affricate, in linguistics, a type of consonantal sound
* Ц, the Cyrillic letter representing the ts sound or voiceless alveolar affricate
* The Scream, a painting
* The Specialists, a computer video game modification of the popular first-person shooter Half-Life
* Tenor saxophone, musical instrument, reeds
* Tiberian Sun, a game in the Command & Conquer series of video games
* TinySex, slang for sex roleplay
* Terminator Salvation, a 2009 American science fiction post-apocalyptic war film
* TimeSplitters (series), a video game series, formally known as Free Radical Design
* Tsonga language, a language in Africa.
In transportation:
* Air Transat IATA code
* Tidewater Southern Railway, a short line railroad in Central California
* Turbine Ship, steamships powered by the steam turbine
* Twin Spark, an engine technology usually in the context of Alfa Romeo cars
****** TS Transport Stream
****** TS Transsexual
****** TS Timestamp
****** TS Technical Support
****** TS Terminal Service
****** TS Terms of Service
****** TS Table Saw (woodworking)
****** TS Tunisia
****** TS The Sims (computer game)
****** TS Tri-State
****** TS Technical Specification
****** TS The Stuff (movie)
****** TS Test Set
****** TS Tropical Storm
****** TS Technical Services
****** TS Cleveland (postcode, United Kingdom)
****** TS Toy Story
****** TS Times Square
****** TS Trieste (Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy)
****** TS Temperature Sensor
****** TS Teamspeak
****** TS Top Speed
****** TS The Simpsons (TV show)
****** TS Twisted Sister (band)
****** TS Township
****** TS Transaction Server
****** TS Training Support
****** TS Time Sharing
****** TS Teesside (UK post code)
****** TS Tasmania (Australia)
****** TS Teaspoon
****** TS Turner Syndrome (XO monosomy in girls)
****** TS Thunderstorm
****** TS TeleSync
****** TS Tensile Strength
***** TS Transportation System (Siemens)
***** TS Total Score
***** TS Temperature Sensitive (cells)
***** TS Translation Services
***** TS Tupac Shakur ;)
***** TS Town Square
***** TS Twin Sister
***** TS Tenor Saxophone
***** TS Transport Service
***** TS The Syndicate (online gaming guild)
***** TS Technical School
***** TS Treatment System
***** TS Transfer Station (waste, shipping, mining)
***** TS Terror Squad (band)
***** TS Terror Squad (gaming clan)
***** TS Tuberous Sclerosis
***** TS Thoracic Surgery
***** TS Trisomy
***** TS Tiberian Sun (game)
***** TS Tom Sawyer
***** TS Technical Solution
***** TS Temperature Switch
***** TS The Specialists (gaming, Half-Life)
***** TS Test Solution
***** TS Timestamping (IRC)
***** TS Total Solids (environmental biology)
***** TS Topic Starter (person who started a forum thread)
***** TS The Shins (band)
***** TS Trade Station (investing/trading software)
***** TS Toisin Sanoen
***** TS Typescript
***** TS Tramp Stamp
***** TS Technical Standard
***** TS Time Sheet
***** TS Toxic Substance
***** TS Trading Spouses (TV show)
***** TS Trouble Shooter
***** TS Tabu Search (algorithm)
***** TS Theological Studies (Journal)
***** TS Treasury Stock
**** TS Test Specification
**** TS Targeting System
**** TS Tough Stuff (polite form)
**** TS Trailing Stop (investing/trading)
**** TS Test Station
**** TS Thermal Sensor (computing)
**** TS Terribly Sad
**** TS Test Switch
**** TS Telegraph System
**** TS Temple Square (Salt Lake City, UT, USA)
**** TS Text Structure
**** TS Temporary Structure
**** TS Target Start
**** TS Total Strength
**** TS Transient State (of a reaction or system)
**** TS Tale Spin (cartoon)
**** TS Training Squadron
**** TS Team Shot
**** TS Transmission Scheme
**** TS Trypticase Soy
**** TS Tenure System
**** TS Technical Sergeant
**** TS Target Strength
**** TS Tentative de Suicide (French: Suicide Attempt)
**** TS Transfer Start (memory controllers)
**** TS Trunk Side
**** TS Tamper Switch
**** TS True Shame
**** TS Traffic Sensitive
**** TS Task Support
**** TS Trusted Solaris
**** TS Tail Suspension (rat scientific testing)
**** TS Transit Storage
**** TS Transmitter Station
**** TS Tip, Sleeve
*** TS Timer State
*** TS Terribly Sexy
*** TS Tipperary South (Ireland)
*** TS Twin Stack (decoder)
*** TS Turbine Ship
*** TS Timothy Syndrome
*** TS Taura Syndrome
*** TS Tennessee Smokies (Minor League baseball team)
*** TS Tethered Satellite
*** TS Torch Soldering
*** TS Tandem Server
*** TS Toilet Stop :lol:
*** TS Townsend's Solitaire (bird species)
*** TS Transition Season
*** TS Transitional Strategy
*** TS Toll Switching
*** TS Tevynes Sajunga (Homeland Union Party, Lithuania)
*** TS Terminating Switch
*** TS Transit Switch
*** TS Telemetry Station
*** TS Tube Settler (wastewater treatment)
*** TS Trigger Supervisor
*** TS Treating Source
*** TS Test Secretary
*** TS Tunnel Switch
*** TS Twin Skies (computer game)
*** TS Tangent to Spiral
*** TS Trans-Section
*** TS Thyssen Schachtbau GmbH
** TS Triathlonscotland
** TS Tribal Souls (band)
** TS Topological Surgery
** TS Tagging Spectrometer
** TS TELE-Sputnik (Satellite, Cable TV and Telecommunication magazine, Russia)
** TS Tritium Storage
** TS Thermal Smooth (weather)
** TS Tethered Swimming
** TS Tackable Surface
** TS Thyristor Switch
** TS Triumphant Sound (Manhattan Christian College, Manhattan, KS singing group)
** TS Thor Shield (G2 Consulting)
** TS Tough Save (baseball)
** TS Tending Side
** TS Tesselated Sheroid
** TS Test/Type Specification
** TS Science and Engineering Support Office (NIMA)
** TS Tidewater Southern Railway Company
** TS Thresher-Separator
** TS Temple Siege (game)
** TS Trembler Switch
** TS Tropical Staining (philately)
** TS Toogoolawa School (Gold Coast, Australia)
** TS Trabzon Spor Klübü (Trabzon, Turkey)
* TS Trajectory Synthesis CSCI
* TS Times-Shamrock, Inc. (Scranton, PA)
* TS Transaction Separator
* TS Theil Statistic (software reliability)
* TS Theological Seminary
* TS Tele Soluciones (Guatemala)
* TS Training Ship
* TS Training Specialist
* TS Traffic Shaping
* TS Traffic Signal
* TS Trading Spaces (TV show)
* TS Trabzonspor (Turkey)
* TS Tracking Sensor
* TS Tourette Syndrome
* TS Total System
* TS Totally Spies (TV show)
* TS Total Solution (RWM Data Management Ltd.)
* TS TimeSplitters (video game)
* TS Top Secret
* TS Top Soil
* TS Top Spin (game)
* TS Tony Stewart
* TS Thymidylate Synthase
* TS Thermal Subsystem (company)
* TS Thermal Systems
* TS Thomas Stearns (poet T.S. Eliot)
* TS Time Slot
* TS Time Switch
TS= Trouble Starter :mrgreen:
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TS= Trouble Starter
After The Sign from TS, and Thread Starter from Back, yours is third best. :lol: Perfect trilogy.
I think part of the reason that we all love TS is that right from the beginning with all the redirects, grooming and preparing our minds, making our minds 'simmer', was that we've had this long relationship already before the all the Reveals. 212 redirects to date according to LilWendy. The Reveals were more his proofs and confirmations, whipped cream on top. I'm not sure someone could just jump in with those and be convinced. So my advise is to go back for for reading and meditation and 'simmering'; all links are available. But maybe that's just me, no minds are the same.
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True Star... Him, obviously! :P
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Mo,
With all due respect, I don't think you'll find anyone on the planet that would be willing to spend the time and effort it would take to mathematically disprove that those numbers could line up coincidentally. The number of hours it would take to do such a thing wouldn't be worth a thousand dollars. I'm no mathemetician so I won't even bother trying but again, anyone can take any set of numbers and create their own patterns.
Please understand that I am not here to flame TS. I find TS's theories interesting and appreciate the input, I really do. However, none of this stuff is "evidence". I prefer to deal with the real, hard evidence. Things that are tangible such as the autopsy report, no medical doctors, the strange case of Conrad Murray. The Gilda/Smooth Criminal connection, Mickey Fine Pharmacy, the Elvis Connections, the family's statements, the body doubles, etc. These, to me are tangible clues, pieces of real evidence. I prefer to focus on these things rather than abstract numbers and possibilities that are not hard evidence.
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Mo,
With all due respect, I don't think you'll find anyone on the planet that would be willing to spend the time and effort it would take to mathematically disprove that those numbers could line up coincidentally. The number of hours it would take to do such a thing wouldn't be worth a thousand dollars. I'm no mathemetician so I won't even bother trying but again, anyone can take any set of numbers and create their own patterns.
Please understand that I am not here to flame TS. I find TS's theories interesting and appreciate the input, I really do. However, none of this stuff is "evidence". I prefer to deal with the real, hard evidence. Things that are tangible such as the autopsy report, no medical doctors, the strange case of Conrad Murray. The Gilda/Smooth Criminal connection, Mickey Fine Pharmacy, the Elvis Connections, the family's statements, the body doubles, etc. These, to me are tangible clues, pieces of real evidence. I prefer to focus on these things rather than abstract numbers and possibilities that are not hard evidence.
It will take you 2 hours of your time, to be precise $499,50 an hour is not so bad I think. Although I am not a mathematician either and I am sure not everything is exactly calculated as it should, at least I took the time for it. viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=14067)
BTW: I didn´t win $999, but maybe you will since you think it´s all nonsense...
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Again, I'm not here to flame TS. I am a firm believer that his/her work is important, at the very least to get people to think outside the box and I'm all for it. But let me just show you a few examples of how you can take any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want and then say that there's a pattern.
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
Michael starred in the Wiz with good friend Diana Ross who was born on 3/26/1944. 3+2+6+1+9+4+4=29. 2+9=11
I could go on and on and find the number 11 and 7 in almost anything. You see what I'm getting at? Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, I just feel that as investigators, we should be focusing on the tangible evidence and not the numerology which is very abstract.
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Again, I'm not here to flame TS. I am a firm believer that his/her work is important, at the very least to get people to think outside the box and I'm all for it. But let me just show you a few examples of how you can take any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want and then say that there's a pattern.
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
Michael starred in the Wiz with good friend Diana Ross who was born on 3/26/1944. 3+2+6+1+9+4+4=29. 2+9=11
I could go on and on and find the number 11 and 7 in almost anything. You see what I'm getting at? Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, I just feel that as investigators, we should be focusing on the tangible evidence and not the numerology which is very abstract.
No disrespect taken. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. For me, what I perceive to be the very clever use of numerology, is really "intriguing". For instance, did you know that YOU joined this forum on September 14, 2001 @ 6:01pm (9+14+2+1+6+1=33). "33".
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LOL! Now you just proved my point :)
I could twist those numbers in a completely different way...
9+1+4+2+0+1+0=17
same numbers, different result. see what I mean? :lol:
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LOL! Now you just proved my point :)
I could twist those numbers in a completely different way...
9+1+4+2+0+1+0=17
same numbers, different result. see what I mean? :lol:
Point taken...but I'll continue to "think different".
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I think we're all doing that, that's why we're here, right?
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Well, I do not need to be rewarded for proving the veracity of information about the coincidences or simply prove that there are coincidences and may or may not be pre-defined or pre-designed for an actual event. I do not need to know the identity of the TS, also, this is not a priority for me. What I need is to know your true belief through opinions or precise information that MJ is alive in the flesh, to the exclusion of any study of coincidences or mere conjecture. Otherwise, I'm involved in a big ado, whose purpose is anything other than a possible "hoax."
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Again, I'm not here to flame TS. I am a firm believer that his/her work is important, at the very least to get people to think outside the box and I'm all for it. But let me just show you a few examples of how you can take any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want and then say that there's a pattern.
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
Michael starred in the Wiz with good friend Diana Ross who was born on 3/26/1944. 3+2+6+1+9+4+4=29. 2+9=11
I could go on and on and find the number 11 and 7 in almost anything. You see what I'm getting at? Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, I just feel that as investigators, we should be focusing on the tangible evidence and not the numerology which is very abstract.
Maybe that you are not here to "flame" TS but I personally would find it disrespectful if someone told me that reading my posts was a massive waste of time... :? How would you feel if I said the exact same thing about your post I quoted? And if I added that it is a total nonsense? I don't think that you would appreciate.
I'm sorry to add that this is not how the numerology works here, may I suggest that you re-read TS' posts, carefully? Or maybe that you still think that it would be a waste of time? I have read them several times to understand correctly the numerology aspect and even if this is not the most important thing it's part of the structure of the hoax and it cannot be dismissed. Thanks to the numerology we have understood what is the purpose of the hoax for example, to me the numbers are also tangible proofs, hard solid evidence.
The number of hours it would take to do such a thing wouldn't be worth a thousand dollars.
You have chosen the easy way by not accepting the challenge. It's not about the money, if TS offered a reward it's because he is certain that nobody will and can disprove the numerology pattern embedded in the hoax. I also presume that it takes a couple of hours for TS to collect the necessary information and make these posts and we don't pay him for that.
I think that I'm going to end here because you seem to have already made up your mind about this issue...
Peace.
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Someone who are unsure of inteciones TS, could explain why he or she takes the trouble to do all these calculations and explanations and post them on this board?
To make fun of people?, If that's the case I think I could use your time on something more productive to spend many hours writing all those post, with the sole purpose of making fun of us, isn't it?
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Read it twice? Haha, no thanks. I'll just continue focusing on my time on the hard evidence.
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Read it twice? Haha, no thanks. I'll just continue focusing on my time on the hard evidence.
All I can say is, until such time that you meet the challenge and actually debunk, specifically, the numerology in TS' posts then what you are contributing on this topic amounts to...nothing.
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Again, I'm not here to flame TS. I am a firm believer that his/her work is important, at the very least to get people to think outside the box and I'm all for it. But let me just show you a few examples of how you can take any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want and then say that there's a pattern.
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
Michael starred in the Wiz with good friend Diana Ross who was born on 3/26/1944. 3+2+6+1+9+4+4=29. 2+9=11
I could go on and on and find the number 11 and 7 in almost anything. You see what I'm getting at? Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, I just feel that as investigators, we should be focusing on the tangible evidence and not the numerology which is very abstract.
I want to thank you for giving the examples above, which show that you are thinking and are willing to try and show why you think the numerology is too abstract to be a focus. That's exactly what we are always being reminded to do here - to think for ourselves and find evidence that leads us to the truth.
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Again, I'm not here to flame TS. I am a firm believer that his/her work is important, at the very least to get people to think outside the box and I'm all for it. But let me just show you a few examples of how you can take any set of numbers and make them mean anything you want and then say that there's a pattern.
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
Michael starred in the Wiz with good friend Diana Ross who was born on 3/26/1944. 3+2+6+1+9+4+4=29. 2+9=11
I could go on and on and find the number 11 and 7 in almost anything. You see what I'm getting at? Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, I just feel that as investigators, we should be focusing on the tangible evidence and not the numerology which is very abstract.
I want to thank you for giving the examples above, which show that you are thinking and are willing to try and show why you think the numerology is too abstract to be a focus. That's exactly what we are always being reminded to do here - to think for ourselves and find evidence that leads us to the truth.
This may be an ingenious new twist on numerology but it isn't an example of any known numerology system and numerology has been around for centuries.
MJ was born on August 29th, 1958 (2+9)=11 + (1+9+5+8)=23; 11+23=34; 3+4=7
In Numerology the Birthdate is added together to find one's life path.
8 + 2 + 9 + 1 + 9 + 5 + 8 = 42
4 + 2 = 6 - A life path of 6 and it does not add up to 7
MJ died on June 25th, 2009. 2+5=7, 2+0+0+9=11 7+11=18 8+1=9
6 + 2 + 5 + 2 + 9 = 24
2 + 4 = 6 again not 7
Thriller album was released on 11/30/1982. 1+1+3+0+1+9+8+2=25 2+5 = 7
Correct
MJ appeared on Soul Train with the Jackson 5 in 1973. 1+9+7+3+5 = 25. 2+5=7
The Wiz was released in 1978. 1+9+7+8 = 25. 2+5=7
For these dates to be considered neurologically you would need the month and day as well.
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Serenity - could you explain to me why, from what I've read about numerology, the digits of a date are added together, yet sometimes the hoax numerology uses the whole number. e.g. 25 + 6 + 2009 = 2040, 1998 - 666 divided by 4 = 333, 777 + 999 = 1776
Oh, and just to clarify, I was welcoming the fact that anonJedi was at least trying to provide examples, not that he/she had found a new method!
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Serenity - could you explain to me why, from what I've read about numerology, the digits of a date are added together, yet sometimes the hoax numerology uses the whole number. e.g. 25 + 6 + 2009 = 2040, 1998 - 666 divided by 4 = 333, 777 + 999 = 1776
Oh, and just to clarify, I was welcoming the fact that anonJedi was at least trying to provide examples, not that he/she had found a new method!
You would have to direct me to the actual post so I can see the context in which it is posted.
When I have added dates together sometimes you get a number say 32 now because we are trying to see what the meaning behind the date is and it isn't related to a life path, 32 could be either 5 (3 + 2) or the single digit factors such as 4 x 8 (8 + 8 + 8 + 8).
"Although the calculation methods are very simple — a matter of adding or subtracting single- and double-digit numbers — numerology is based on a rather complex cosmic network of inter-connecting patterns and cycles. These patterns and cycles are recognizable. It is in recognizing these patterns, that we are able to predict events and influences when certain criteria are met."
When we talk about "reducing a number to a single-digit," we mean adding each of the digits until a single-digit is left. For example, we reduce the number 367 by adding 3 + 6 + 7 = 16. Next, we add 1 + 6 = 7. We have now reduced the number 367 to the single-digit number 7.
Master numbers are not reduced during the calculations. For example, to reduce the year 1966 to a single digit, we add 1+9+6+6=22. Twenty-two is a Master number, therefore, we do not reduce 22 any further. Many numerologists will write 22/4, because the 22 is also a 4.
Numbers such as 111, 222, 333 etc are also considered master numbers.
There are many different Numerology methods:
Kabbalah (Hebrew Alphabet)
Chaldean (a similar system is used in India)
Pythagorean
Abracadabra
New Kabbalah
Gematria (which has several forms)
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You would have to direct me to the actual post so I can see the context in which it is posted.
I got all the following examples (of using compete numbers rather than the individual digits) from TS's updates 4b, 4c and 6-9:
4-13. MJ “1998” Autographs
Several of MJ’s autographs included the number 1998, three circles, and an arrow {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6643; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9uZxWu1slE; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9uZxWu1slE;) http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&s ... i=&aql=&oq (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=%22michael+jackson+1998%22&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq)}. There is also one autograph, on the Dangerous cover, that is similar—yet it has some kind of formula, or code. Before going into any detail about the meaning of that Dangerous code, let’s look at the other autographs: 1998, three circles, and an arrow.
1998 is an interesting number, that can be divided evenly by only these single-digit numbers: 1998 / 2 = 999; 1998 / 3 = 666; 1998 / 6 = 333; and 1998 / 9 = 222. If you add 222 (that last one) to 777 (red shirt), you have 999. The first one is 999 itself; and the other two added together equal 999 (666 + 333). Also, if you add the first digit (1) to the last three (998), you have 999 (1 + 998 = 999). And if you add all four digits, it reduces to 9 (1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27; 2 + 7 = 9). Even if we had nothing else to go by, just the 1998 alone should point us pretty clearly to 9-9-09; but there is far more.
For a code to be of real value, it has to be neither too simple nor too complex. If it is too simple, it would not be hidden (not a code); and if too complex, it will never be understood and therefore useless. MJ could have signed 999; but that would’ve been too simple. Or he could’ve used highly complex trigonometry equations; but very few of his fans would ever understand it, not even if it was explained to them. Therefore, he used a code between those two extremes.
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4-14. The Autograph Code on “Dangerous”
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There are several unique things about this Dangerous autograph, different than the other 1998 autographs: #1 the arrow points down, not diagonal or up; #2 there is different symbol which points up (^); #3 there is a division symbol; #4 there is a number 4; #5 the three repeating digits are vertical, not horizontal; #6 at least two of the three repeating digits look more like 6’s than circles.
On the other autographs: the arrow is diagonally upward, and can obviously represent resurrection (on 9-9-09); in this case, the arrow is down and would represent the death. But you also have the resurrection here, with the upward pointing caret (^). However, these symbols are part of the equation, as well: start with the 1998, go down (subtract) by 666 = 1332; then insert this answer (caret means insert) into the last part: 1332 / 4 = 333.
Of what significance is 333? It is the exact number needed to turn the NWO 666 pyramid upside-down; 666 + 333 = 999!!! In fact, that is why the three digits on the dangerous code are vertical, not horizontal; they represent the vertical layering system of the pyramid (666), and then turned upside down (999).
Some have thought that one or more of the vertical digits in the Dangerous autograph are zeros, not sixes; however, the top two digits are much closer to a six than a zero—and even the bottom digit has a small hook if you look carefully. MJ is not careless, and he was not writing sloppy zeros; in fact, notice that if anything, his zeros have a gap on the top—not an overlap and hook. So it’s three sixes, just written so that it would not be very obvious—both because it is a code, and also because 666 might scare some people if they didn’t realize the purpose for it in this context.
Remember also that I explained the meaning of the 1998 and Dangerous autograph before 9-9-09 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27893}. So I was not merely looking at a past event, and trying to force the code to fit into something that is history (such as some have done). Oh and by the way: this Dangerous autograph redirect was done on 3-3, 2010 (2 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 3); and again, 1998 – 666 = 1332; 1332 / 4 = 333!
4-21. 777 + 999 = 1776; Greatest Demonstration for Freedom
Now that we have seen both 777 and 999 used repeatedly in relation to TII, the death, the burial, and the resurrection—let’s examine what happens if we add these numbers: 777 + 999 = 1776! For everyone in the USA, and many around the world, this number is instantly recognized as the year of the US Declaration of Independence: July 4, 1776 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence}. Could this have anything to do with the hoax?
Remember the MLK statement in TDRCAU: “In what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom [independence] in the history of our nation [USA].” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qE22UOlQts} Does this mean that the hoax is mainly for people in the USA, and not around the world? No; MJ merely used things that already existed about the USA (MLK, and July 4) to represent the whole world. He also used London (O2), and V for Vendetta parallels (in London)—but the hoax is not mainly for England.
4-22. 777 + 333 + 111 = 1221; 777 + 1221 = 1998
We’ve already seen the 777 (red shirt), and the 333 (Dangerous autograph, and FBI files); but where does the 111 come from? In binary (the number system that computers operate on), the number 7 is three bits on: 111 {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_numeral_system}. Also, the duration of TII is 111 minutes—both the cinema version {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson's_This_Is_It}, and the main movie in the TII DVD (1 hour & 51 minutes = 111 minutes).
So if we add the 777, 333, and 111, the answer is 1221—the same as the 911 phone call, and also the 2012 movie (12-21-12). And just in case anyone is tempted to think that it’s just a coincidence: add 777 to 1221, and we’re right back to 1998!
6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/}
Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprac ... rd_Strauss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss))}.
Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k;) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685)}
This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.
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ok, 1998 is a significant year in the hoax because Michael was signing some pretty interesting autographs. These autographs had symbols such as circles and an arrow. The symbols used in these autographs are also used in mathematical calculations. These autographs have been nicknamed "the Dangerous Code".
Right from the beginning of the post, TS explains that 1998 is an interesting number and that there are patterns involving master numbers in relation to 1998 and significant dates.
Master numbers being any digit that appears in multiples such as 11, 22, 33 etc or 111, 222, 333, etc.
TS also shows the method they are using in this instance.
25 + 6 + 2009 = 2040
Instead of taking each single digit and adding/subtracting it, they use each number as a whole to obtain significant years. If they just reduced to a single digit, the numerology would not show the relevance of a particular year/date etc. because a year is a four digit number.
TS then shows how master numbers are related in to the hoax in other ways.
The year 1776 is when the United States signed the Declaration of independence becoming a republic no longer under British rule.
Again through numerology a relationship is shown the years 1998 and 1776 through the use of master numbers relevant in the hoax.
777 + 999 = 1776
TS then shows that by combining two significant numbers in the hoax, which are both master numbers, 777 & 999, you also obtain the year 1776.
1998 - 666 divided by 4 = 333
This calculation shows a pattern, it could have been done in numerous ways.
1998 (3 x 666) or (666 + 666 + 666)
1998 (6 x 333)
This is showing the pattern of master numbers in relation to the number (year) 1998.
Hopefully this has helped and not been even more confusing because I just woke up and haven't even had any coffee yet. :lol:
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Thanks Serenity! I think I understand your coffee-free explanations but can't honestly say the confusion about why you sometimes use digits and sometimes whole numbers, has completely disappeared!
Are you saying that when you're looking for important years, as opposed to life numbers, the rule is to use the whole numbers so you can end up with a four figure year number? There must be a rule about when to use which method, otherwise it would be force fitting, or mathematical gymnastics.
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Thanks Serenity! I think I understand your coffee-free explanations but can't honestly say the confusion about why you sometimes use digits and sometimes whole numbers, has completely disappeared!
Are you saying that when you're looking for important years, as opposed to life numbers, the rule is to use the whole numbers so you can end up with a four figure year number? There must be a rule about when to use which method, otherwise it would be force fitting, or mathematical gymnastics.
We establish that 1998 is significant to the hoax because of "the Dangerous Code Autographs" signed in that year.
We establish that the number 1998 can be broken down in the following ways and it's into master numbers:
1998 = 2 x 999 or 999 + 999
1998 = 666 or 666 + 666 + 666
1998 = 6 x 333
1998 = 9 x 222
1998 = 18 x 111
We have shown a pattern for this number in relation to master numbers. So this is a very special year.
We can now use the numbers within the pattern to look at other things that may be related to the hoax.
Ok let's do some adding.
111 + 222 = 333 This is the third number in our pattern
333 + 666 = 999 the last number in our pattern
1998 really is a special number, no wonder Michael chose it for these interesting autographs. :lol:
So 09/09/09 was a significant date in the autopsy report - 999
and 777 was a significant number in this TII because it was on the red mission shirt
Adding them together gives us 999 + 777 = 1776
1776 is the year the declaration of Independence was signed. Freedom from the British. This is significant to the performance in TII of "They Don't Care About Us" in which Martin Luther King says "in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation."
Okay so if I take the original year 1998 and subtract 1776 from it
1998 - 1776 = 222
Another master number and one we already discovered in the pattern above.
Ok now what if I add 777 (the mission shirt in TII) to that
222 + 777 = 999
We are back to another number in the pattern.
If I had simply reduced 1998 to 9, I would have discovered no pattern and no other significant year and would have totally missed out on so many clues.
Because there is a pattern here that is undeniable, we can go on and on just like TS did. ;) :lol:
Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. :mrgreen:
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Serenitys_Dream, well said ;)
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Someone who are unsure of inteciones TS, could explain why he or she takes the trouble to do all these calculations and explanations and post them on this board?
To make fun of people?, If that's the case I think I could use your time on something more productive to spend many hours writing all those post, with the sole purpose of making fun of us, isn't it?
I can not answer about the motivations of this work for TS.
I do not trust and do not believe that your information may be susceptible to a "hoax", since they are entirely abstract, especially when it comes to coincidences. I do not care that his arguments are justified by a study of numerology or something.
That said, I would like to know the true opinion of TS in relation to the idea that there is or not "hoax" but without conjecture and abstract information.[/color]
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OK Serenitys_Dream..... do we have a smilie for head exploding?! :lol: Seriously though, this is all good info you're giving me. I have this gut feeling that the numbers are perhaps the biggest proof of a hoax. Theoretically, anyone could've started rumours or even fabricated 'evidence' of dodgy helicopters, ambulances, documents etc etc after 25th June, to fuel a hoax, but the numbers show things planned well in advance of that date. So I'm trying really hard to totally understand their full meaning, so I don't have to rely on that gut feeling. Thank you for your patient explanations!
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We establish that 1998 is significant to the hoax because of "the Dangerous Code Autographs" signed in that year.
Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. :mrgreen:
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You have a plausible idea to justify the fact that TS has never expressed his opinion on what really determined the "hoax" (if any) and a return of MJ or not, since it only transfers the responsibility for us to choose between a lot of information and alternatives? :roll: :?:
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tekamjforever, I will not write anything more to convince people of the authenticity of TS, I think most here are adults and everyone is free to believe or not believe what you see fit, however I respect your opinion.
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Thanks Serenity! I think I understand your coffee-free explanations but can't honestly say the confusion about why you sometimes use digits and sometimes whole numbers, has completely disappeared!
Are you saying that when you're looking for important years, as opposed to life numbers, the rule is to use the whole numbers so you can end up with a four figure year number? There must be a rule about when to use which method, otherwise it would be force fitting, or mathematical gymnastics.
We establish that 1998 is significant to the hoax because of "the Dangerous Code Autographs" signed in that year.
We establish that the number 1998 can be broken down in the following ways and it's into master numbers:
1998 = 2 x 999 or 999 + 999
1998 = 666 or 666 + 666 + 666
1998 = 6 x 333
1998 = 9 x 222
1998 = 18 x 111
We have shown a pattern for this number in relation to master numbers. So this is a very special year.
We can now use the numbers within the pattern to look at other things that may be related to the hoax.
Ok let's do some adding.
111 + 222 = 333 This is the third number in our pattern
333 + 666 = 999 the last number in our pattern
1998 really is a special number, no wonder Michael chose it for these interesting autographs. <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
So 09/09/09 was a significant date in the autopsy report - 999
and 777 was a significant number in this TII because it was on the red mission shirt
Adding them together gives us 999 + 777 = 1776
1776 is the year the declaration of Independence was signed. Freedom from the British. This is significant to the performance in TII of "They Don't Care About Us" in which Martin Luther King says "in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation."
Okay so if I take the original year 1998 and subtract 1776 from it
1998 - 1776 = 222
Another master number and one we already discovered in the pattern above.
Ok now what if I add 777 (the mission shirt in TII) to that
222 + 777 = 999
We are back to another number in the pattern.
If I had simply reduced 1998 to 9, I would have discovered no pattern and no other significant year and would have totally missed out on so many clues.
Because there is a pattern here that is undeniable, we can go on and on just like TS did. <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
Serenity - I like your logic!
This is a great explanation of how TS has been using numbers (numerology) to explain the hoax and I am in total agreement with you.
It is worthwhile adding that TS' use of numbers goes much further than the examples quoted in here, with the use of update timings and structure (e.g. number of paragraphs") and some very timely re-directs to draw the attention on specific past or future events; those are an integral part of the so called Hoax numerology.
Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
This thought has crossed my mind many times and whilst I do not know for sure, I beLIEve that Back is TS is Michael <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Wouldn't it make another great chapter in the Hoax story! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> and it would be so funny! (after the initial shock!) <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
With L.O.V.E
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Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. <!-- s:mrgreen: -->:mrgreen:<!-- s:mrgreen: -->
This thought has crossed my mind many times and whilst I do not know for sure, I beLIEve that Back is TS is Michael <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) -->
Wouldn't it make another great chapter in the Hoax story! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> and it would be so funny! (after the initial shock!) <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
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I agree Back is TS is Michael!
Back`s prior knowledge years before June 25, 2009, his defense of Katherine and the family and his comments about other players in the hoax.
TS`numerology, the redirects and so much knowledge about it all combined with the band analogy and saying
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Plus most of us on the board sense that the person behind these screen names is male and that in itself speaks volumes <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) --> <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
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I'm not sure MJ was a numerologist though. I know he's very bright but don't think he's a mathemetician. Those numbers take some thinking about. I don't understand them at all (i'm useless with figures anyway).
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I'm not sure MJ was a numerologist though. I know he's very bright but don't think he's a mathemetician. Those numbers take some thinking about. I don't understand them at all (i'm useless with figures anyway).
All these numbers, not just 777, pop up in Michael Jackson's art and music throughout his career... It's very obvious to me that he was into numerology.
If you're good at math (and statistically, men generally are more likely to be mathematically inclined then women), the concept that TS (and Serenity's Dream above) are trying to explain to us is fairly simple. The math is simple, it just tends to require a great deal of text to explain it and it can be a dry read. If you really slow down and read each sentence carefully, and do the math as you read, not skim over the equations but really DO it along with the narrative, it is quite clear. But I'm not surprised most people scroll through the slow parts and fly right on by the rows of numbers. Even if you're really into TS updates, unless you read them 3x, you miss things.
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Well if TS is Michael Jackson, then TS is a liar.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
Source: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558)
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Well if TS is Michael Jackson, then TS is a liar.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
Source: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558)
Lol, maybe so.
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Well if TS is Michael Jackson, then TS is a liar.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
Source: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558)
Lol, maybe so.
That's one of the few statements of TS that I take with a grain of salt. I am not saying he is Mike himself, but in my book that is still a possibility until proven otherwise.
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Well if TS is Michael Jackson, then TS is a liar.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
Source: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558)
If MJ is TS, then he must have used reverse psychology there; from the beginning, I had wondered if TS was Michael himself... <!-- s:?: -->:?:<!-- s:?: --> <!-- s:P -->:P<!-- s:P -->
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just screams Michael to me. :lol:
Plus most of us on the board sense that the person behind these screen names is male and that in itself speaks volumes ;) :lol:
for me Back IS Michael or Michael IS Back... :lol: but about TS :roll: O think he is not a liar, the writer The Source is not MJ himself, maybe is one person writing from him
Serenitys, can you tell me how do you know... I believe you! :P
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Either TS is Michael, Michael is telling TS everything, orrrrrrr TS is a psychic/mind reader and hacked Michael's brain. :shock: I'm going with A or B though. :lol:
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O think he is not a liar, the writer The Source is not MJ himself, maybe is one person writing from him
Serenitys, can you tell me how do you know... I believe you! :P
I also thought that if MJ wasn't TS or vice versa, then at least TS is close to the Source (MJ, being the Source and TS being the messenger or informer).
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TS Perhaps mislead to people a little more focus on the message and not the messenger. 8-)
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TS Perhaps mislead to people a little more focus on the message and not the messenger. 8-)
Exactly, if TS came out and admitted that he was Michael, the message would be overlooked and the focus would be just on him. Being anonymous allows him to have a "voice" to express why this has happened.
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TS Perhaps mislead to people a little more focus on the message and not the messenger. 8-)
Exactly, if TS came out and admitted that he was Michael, the message would be overlooked and the focus would be just on him. Being anonymous allows him to have a "voice" to express why this has happened.
I agree. And he's said a thousand times, it doesn't matter who he IS, only the information that he gives. Also, that no one would believe him anyway. True that.
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Either TS is Michael, Michael is telling TS everything, orrrrrrr TS is a psychic/mind reader and hacked Michael's brain. :shock: I'm going with A or B though. :lol:
I go with B, (not C either :lol: ) that he is a qualified mathmetician writing for MJ who is totally the originator of the numerology concepts involved. I believe TS when he says he's not Michael. MJ always has said he's a hands-on guy, directly involved in every aspect of his music and production, but then he hires the best in their fields like Kenny Ortega and Travis Paine to carry it out. Delegation. I think TS reads much of the threads and comments here, and I don't know if MJ has that kind of free time. Maybe MJ's spending his free time, when not with the kids-- thinking, keeping in contact with all the hoax players, overseeing media connections like TMZ, making sure everything's on track. I have no clue about how much is involved in something of this magnitude. It seems to me that directing and acting (I don't think TS is acting) were what Michael promised us he was going to give us in future. IMO
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Either TS is Michael, Michael is telling TS everything, orrrrrrr TS is a psychic/mind reader and hacked Michael's brain. :shock: I'm going with A or B though. :lol:
I go with B, (not C either :lol: ) that he is a qualified mathmetician writing for MJ who is totally the originator of the numerology concepts involved. I believe TS when he says he's not Michael. MJ always has said he's a hands-on guy, directly involved in every aspect of his music and production, but then he hires the best in their fields like Kenny Ortega and Travis Paine to carry it out. Delegation. I think TS reads much of the threads and comments here, and I don't know if MJ has that kind of free time. Maybe MJ's spending his free time, when not with the kids-- thinking, keeping in contact with all the hoax players, overseeing media connections like TMZ, making sure everything's on track. I have no clue about how much is involved in something of this magnitude. It seems to me that directing and acting (I don't think TS is acting) were what Michael promised us he was going to give us in future. IMO
ah but the numerology started many, many years ago.
Michael is a "Hands on Guy" he would have been the one to formulate his entire plan, including the numerology. ;) Michael is "acting," he is playing the role of "TS" and "Back" and sometimes appears in other disguises. In this "reality movie," Michael is a man wearing many hats.
He likes to keep himself busy while secluded and out of the public eye. Not being able to go out and about, combined with many sleepless nights have allowed for the study of numerous subjects.
I think, I will not underestimate the genius of this amazing man.
But that's just my opinion. 8-)
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Either TS is Michael, Michael is telling TS everything, orrrrrrr TS is a psychic/mind reader and hacked Michael's brain. :shock: I'm going with A or B though. :lol:
I go with B, (not C either :lol: ) that he is a qualified mathmetician writing for MJ who is totally the originator of the numerology concepts involved. I believe TS when he says he's not Michael. MJ always has said he's a hands-on guy, directly involved in every aspect of his music and production, but then he hires the best in their fields like Kenny Ortega and Travis Paine to carry it out. Delegation. I think TS reads much of the threads and comments here, and I don't know if MJ has that kind of free time. Maybe MJ's spending his free time, when not with the kids-- thinking, keeping in contact with all the hoax players, overseeing media connections like TMZ, making sure everything's on track. I have no clue about how much is involved in something of this magnitude. It seems to me that directing and acting (I don't think TS is acting) were what Michael promised us he was going to give us in future. IMO
ah but the numerology started many, many years ago.
Michael is a "Hands on Guy" he would have been the one to formulate his entire plan, including the numerology. ;) Michael is "acting," he is playing the role of "TS" and "Back" and sometimes appears in other disguises. In this "reality movie," Michael is a man wearing many hats.
He likes to keep himself busy while secluded and out of the public eye. Not being able to go out and about, combined with many sleepless nights have allowed for the study of numerous subjects.
I think, I will not underestimate the genius of this amazing man.
But that's just my opinion. 8-)
You both make very good points! :P Which is why I'm still tied between A & B! :?
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I have posted this quite some time ago on the forums but I feel like posting it again. :lol:
TS said:
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
This entire story is important it is a parable. A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. Parables were used by Jesus to teach his apostles and the faithful.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact,if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
In other words: I am Michael, you don't know me as well as you think you do. You don't recognize me and some have even said unkind things to me.
Furthermore, I did not promote any specific religious organization. I am not personally a Jehovah’s Witness, and I am not trying to promote the Jehovah’s Witness organization (WatchTower) and/or the entire Jehovah’s Witness belief system. Nevertheless, I do believe some of the Witnesses doctrines.
This does not mean that Michael still holds all of the same (Jehovah’s Witness) beliefs that he had in earlier years. But on the other hand, he does still have some of those beliefs.
Very interesting...
whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ.
Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear”.
Appeared to be gone (gone is a synonym for dead) but in reality I am ALIVE.
Still watching (Back: "keep watching"). Directing this "ARG Movie" from behind the scenes until the time is right for me, Michael, to reappear (reveal myself)
Does this sound familiar?
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
In other words if I told you the truth, that I am Michael, you wouldn't believe it. So it is safer to deny who I (TS/MJ) really am because otherwise I would loose credibility and my message would not heard.
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions.
In other words: "I Love You ALL, I Really Do"
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
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M+7=T
J+9=S
9+7=16 ---- 1+6=7
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@Serenitys
Thank you for post that again! :P
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I am not sure if the reverse psychology it´s working here.....
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Serenitys_Dream, I agree with your interpretation, I also have noticed those "details" that you highlighted in red, and it is true you have to take care of the language used that do not know with whom you're communicating. ;)
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M+7=T
J+9=S
9+7=16 ---- 1+6=7
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@Serenitys
Thank you for post that again! :P
lol
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I have posted this quite some time ago on the forums but I feel like posting it again. :lol:
TS said:
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
This entire story is important it is a parable. A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. Parables were used by Jesus to teach his apostles and the faithful.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact,if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
In other words: I am Michael, you don't know me as well as you think you do. You don't recognize me and some have even said unkind things to me.
Furthermore, I did not promote any specific religious organization. I am not personally a Jehovah’s Witness, and I am not trying to promote the Jehovah’s Witness organization (WatchTower) and/or the entire Jehovah’s Witness belief system. Nevertheless, I do believe some of the Witnesses doctrines.
This does not mean that Michael still holds all of the same (Jehovah’s Witness) beliefs that he had in earlier years. But on the other hand, he does still have some of those beliefs.
Very interesting...
whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ.
Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear”.
Appeared to be gone (gone is a synonym for dead) but in reality I am ALIVE.
Still watching (Back: "keep watching"). Directing this "ARG Movie" from behind the scenes until the time is right for me, Michael, to reappear (reveal myself)
Does this sound familiar?
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
In other words if I told you the truth, that I am Michael, you wouldn't believe it. So it is safer to deny who I (TS/MJ) really am because otherwise I would loose credibility and my message would not heard.
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions.
In other words: "I Love You ALL, I Really Do"
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
wow, this almost proves TS is Michael :lol: :lol:
AND WHY NOT, because TS is 21, and this is 777
Who's number is 777 :D ?
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But it's too good to be true, so TS is not Michael. We have to get used to it :cry:
As hard as we want him to be Michael, no....... he isn't, unfortunately :cry:
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Serenity, thank you for that post. You know it's important to repost things because with all the information coming at us I often forget what we've come across before.
I remember telling someone in one of my posts or on the blog (don't remember right now) that anyone can say ANYTHING... they could even outright lie and it would be fine because an actor who is acting a part isn't seen as a liar, they are merely playing their part.
Actually, people could even being saying things 100% opposite to what they really know or believe and it would be ok because it was just part of the script.
You reminded me of this. TS could very well be Michael but if he is currently acting the part of TS, well then really he is NOT MJ at all, he is in character... he IS TS! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I hope you understand what I'm saying....
Also I think TIAI has a double meaning - This Is Also It AND The Insane Asylum for Investigators - of which I'm checking myself IN! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
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Yes, people tend to concentrate on who he is rather than on the message.
That's why TS can't reveal who he is.
remember that speech when he tells to people to turn to each other and tell each other "I love you" and after a few seconds the whole audience was shouting "we love you Michael!!!!"
We love you most Michael :D We all turn to you first, because we love you so much.
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Serenity, thank you for that post. You know it's important to repost things because with all the information coming at us I often forget what we've come across before.
I remember telling someone in one of my posts or on the blog (don't remember right now) that anyone can say ANYTHING... they could even outright lie and it would be fine because an actor who is acting a part isn't seen as a liar, they are merely playing their part.
Actually, people could even being saying things 100% opposite to what they really know or believe and it would be ok because it was just part of the script.
You reminded me of this. TS could very well be Michael but if he is currently acting the part of TS, well then really he is NOT MJ at all, he is in character... he IS TS! <!-- s;) -->;)<!-- s;) -->
I hope you understand what I'm saying....
Also I think TIAI has a double meaning - This Is Also It AND The Insane Asylum for Investigators - of which I'm checking myself IN! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
LOL lilwendy, I'm right behind ya! As much as I would love to believe that TS is Michael himself, I'm not really gonna stay stuck on it. His messages and redirects are way more important to me than cracking his identity. It's TS. TS= legit.
Not gonna lie, though..I'd love to know who TS is. Michael's the director--he's behind the scenes, the mastermind. I've been in plays and I've worked with people who DIRECTED -and- ACTED in the same show. So it's no biggie. And you know MJ, he can do anything. I mean, look at the hoax! Sheesh. Directing AND playing a role aren't too far off haha.
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TS said:
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
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Either TS is Michael, Michael is telling TS everything, orrrrrrr TS is a psychic/mind reader and hacked Michael's brain. :shock: I'm going with A or B though. :lol:
I go with B, (not C either :lol: ) that he is a qualified mathmetician writing for MJ who is totally the originator of the numerology concepts involved. I believe TS when he says he's not Michael. MJ always has said he's a hands-on guy, directly involved in every aspect of his music and production, but then he hires the best in their fields like Kenny Ortega and Travis Paine to carry it out. Delegation. I think TS reads much of the threads and comments here, and I don't know if MJ has that kind of free time. Maybe MJ's spending his free time, when not with the kids-- thinking, keeping in contact with all the hoax players, overseeing media connections like TMZ, making sure everything's on track. I have no clue about how much is involved in something of this magnitude. It seems to me that directing and acting (I don't think TS is acting) were what Michael promised us he was going to give us in future. IMO
You know Serenitys_Dream you convinced me that TS might be MJ after all, by your reading between the lines. I remember reading the parable of the band. I think I'm getting goosebumps. :D :shock: :P :D
So I take that back about the hired mathmetician.[attachment=0:16z9dwyi]MJ mathmetician.jpg[/attachment:16z9dwyi]
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
It is this statement of TS' that is the stumbling block for believing. So I'll give a 10% chance it's not Michael. So if it turns out it was a little necessary "lie" for the MJHD which is one big happy fat nice lie, when we find out everything in due time, I will surely forgive him. It's been an adventure with a little discomfort, but alls well that ends well. :D
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(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10096)
Michael is holding the marker in his left hand.
I believe Michael may be
Ambidextrous - equally skillful with each hand
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are you sure Michael is TS after watching this :lol: :lol: :lol:
[youtube:32p3eko2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e_gbzuuG0c[/youtube:32p3eko2]
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TS said:
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
Hmmmmm......could be......and it works with me (the emotional blackmail and even brainwash :D )
I am "sick" enough to even like it if it comes from Michael :lol:
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are you sure Michael is TS after watching this :lol: :lol: :lol:
[youtube:381oj92x]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e_gbzuuG0c[/youtube:381oj92x]
OMG this is so funny :lol: Is it on youtube?
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TS said:
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
Hmmmmm......could be......and it works with me (the emotional blackmail and even brainwash :D )
I am "sick" enough to even like it if it comes from Michael :lol:
But TS didn't say that I did...
Everything written in blue, in my post, is my interpretation, reading between the lines and I am not trying to "emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed." anyone. I am stating a fact, you don't know who is behind any of the screen names on this forum and any member could be Michael, a friend or a family member.
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(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=10096)
Michael is holding the marker in his left hand.
I believe Michael may be
Ambidextrous - equally skillful with each hand
This reminds me school <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: --> I also can write with both hands on a blackboard (yes this one is not black) and one time a classmate shouted "OMG you write with your right hand!" he was surprised and I was too because I didn't even realized.
When I use a pen and on a sheet of paper I only write with my left hand, I have tried with the right hand but I finish to write like a 7 year old child (I compared with my lil bro) maybe it just needs some training. But it does not mean that I am ambidextrous, at least not all the time.
But when I think about it maybe that everybody can write with both hands on a board? <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> Because it's not the same as writing on a sheet of paper...if a right-handed person here can give it a try? There was a time when I thought that Michael was left-handed but I realized that some pictures were "reversed" (if you understand what I mean).
Michael are you ambidextrous, left-handed or right-handed?
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serenity, don't even bother... tekamjforever's sole reason for being in this thread is to ridicule and oppose TS without valid arguments. It's not worth your time.
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TS said:
But of course you are free to continue to beLIEve whatever you choose. Just be careful about what you say because you could be hurting the man you claim to love and admire. You never know who might be behind any of the screen names on these forums.
Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
Hmmmmm......could be......and it works with me (the emotional blackmail and even brainwash :D )
I am "sick" enough to even like it if it comes from Michael :lol:
But TS didn't say that I did...
Everything written in blue, in my post, is my interpretation, reading between the lines and I am not trying to "emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed." anyone. I am stating a fact, you don't know who is behind any of the screen names on this forum and any member could be Michael, a friend or a family member.
:oops: Oh, sorry! It was a glitch, I thought it was all TS ... less bad for me ...
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serenity, don't even bother... tekamjforever's sole reason for being in this thread is to ridicule and oppose TS without valid arguments. It's not worth your time.
Not true! I just expressed my opinion but also, I always ask my apologies when I realize I should. You're doing a pre-judgment about me. I will not feel offended by not defend something I do not believe, though I expect a different result, because many people are betting that way. I'll continue to ask or say in any segment, respectfully, as is my custom, however, if you think I should not stay here, please feel free, and no hard feelings on my part. ;)
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serenity, don't even bother... tekamjforever's sole reason for being in this thread is to ridicule and oppose TS without valid arguments. It's not worth your time.
Not true! I just expressed my opinion but also, I always ask my apologies when I realize I should. You're doing a pre-judgment about me. I will not feel offended by not defend something I do not believe, though I expect a different result, because many people are betting that way. I'll continue to ask or say in any segment, respectfully, as is my custom, however, if you think I should not stay here, please feel free, and no hard feelings on my part. ;)
If you want to stay in this thread that would be your own choice, but don't expect people to explain stuff to you after your bias towards TS/TIAI. You can expect reactions like mine after your opposing posts without arguments.
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tekamjforever, Once I said to you that he was respecting your opinion, till now nobody in this forum could have refuted with arguments and reasons validated what TS says.. another thing nobody washes the brain.
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
August 11, 2011 feels like an eternity.
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
Based on this theory than BAMSDAY would be August 10, 2011 if using inclusive reckoning.
The total number of days between Thursday, June 25th, 2009 and Wednesday, August 10th, 2011 is 777 days if you want the duration of an event that includes both the starting date and the ending date.
Otherwise the date is Thursday, August 10th, 2011.
http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/Jun+25,+2009/to/Aug+10,+2011 (http://www.convertunits.com/dates/from/Jun+25,+2009/to/Aug+10,+2011)
August 10
August 10 is the 222nd day of the year (223rd in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 143 days remaining until the end of the year.
The term 'the 10th of August' is widely used by historians as a shorthand for the Storming of the Tuileries Palace on the 10th of August, 1792, the effective end of the French monarchy until it is restored in 1814.
610 – Laylat al-Qadr: Muhammad begins to receive the Qur'an (traditional date).
1776 – American Revolutionary War: word of the United States Declaration of Independence reaches London.
Christian Feast Day
Geraint - Geraint is a character from Welsh folklore and Arthurian legend, a king of Dumnonia and a valiant warrior. He may have lived during or shortly prior to the reign of the historical Arthur, but some scholars doubt he ever existed.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geraint)
Lawrence of Rome - was one of the seven deacons of ancient Rome who were martyred during the persecution of Valerian in 258. According to lore, among the treasure of the Roman church entrusted to Lawrence for safe-keeping was the Holy Chalice, the cup from which Jesus and the Apostles drank at the Last Supper. According to Christian history the Holy Grail is a relic that was sent by St Lawrence to his parents in northern Aragon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_of_Rome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_of_Rome)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_10 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_10)
August 11
August 11 is the 223rd day of the year (224th in leap years) in the Gregorian calendar. There are 142 days remaining until the end of the year. (2 + 2 + 3 = 7 and 1 + 4 + 2 = 7)
3114 BC – The Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, used by several pre-Columbian Mesoamerican civilizations, notably the Mayans, begins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_11 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_11)
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numerology is connected with the jewish culture isn't it.aren't both uri and larry geller jewish?
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
All I can say is WOW. Thanks for posting.
But really, what makes you think the BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance? I hope you are right though. I hope I and my faith will survive that long :lol: Anything for Michael :D
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
All I can say is WOW ans I AGREE, because you MAKE SENSE
Thanks for posting.
But really, what makes you think the BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance
It's as good a day as any other. 8/11/2011 is do-able for me. You figure it's less then a year, and after 15 months, who's counting anymore, lol.
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So we've just been given a new BAMSDAY. Thank you Michael :lol:
Love you more. And more, and more every day :D
Please be alive.
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So we've just been given a new BAMSDAY. Thank you Michael :lol:
Love you more. And more, and more every day :D
Please be alive.
You think he would just let someone post bamsday? :?
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So we've just been given a new BAMSDAY. Thank you Michael :lol:
Love you more. And more, and more every day :D
Please be alive.
You think he would just let someone post bamsday? :?
The question is not what I think, because I know nothing, the question is why you think he wouldn't ?
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I know he said he will be back in his own time....
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You think he would just let someone post bamsday? :?
To make this comment implies to me Souza, that you think/know MJ/MJ informer is moderating this forum and not allowing posts that may be revealing too much for his liking. It also implies that you think/know there is a bamsday date already planned. Am I way off the mark here??
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(http://www.sybvanderploeg-info.nl/images/smiles/smiley_huh.gif) (http://www.sybvanderploeg-info.nl/images/smiles/smiley_sealed.gif)
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
We want more! We want more! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->
Thank you BlackJack it's a kind of good reminder. Patiently waiting. Our perception of time is changing after all, so 2011 is not that long...I presume <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? -->
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
Just to clarify, I don't think or believe that this poster BlackJack is an insider and was rather posting considering it just as a possibility and there are truths in what he/she says in my opinion, it's not off-track. I just answered like I would have for any other poster.
I know that Michael will surprise us all, it's just that in my mind there is a possibility for it to happen in 2011 and BlackJack post met my thinking regarding the year 2011. Of course we cannot know, only speculate.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
Well, I think that we should be considering all theories with an open mind. What does the user's number of posts matter?
Perhaps this poster just found this information out, or perhaps they have only now been allowed/able to post it.
I am not saying I believe it, nor am I saying I don't. I am just saying that because a user only has one post does not mean we should automatically discount their information.
I mean TS only had one post at one time, as did we all.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
What about simply not telling ANYONE the date he himself has picked to return..? I'd say that's a pretty good way of stopping anyone from posting the date, and that is actually exactly what Souza wrote:
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
By a. simply telling (almost) no one when that date will be, and b. by letting those who do know sign a confidentiality agreement.
He could also be testing his friends by giving them all a different date (how many have we seen already) and see who can't keep his mouth shut.
I personally think he is the only one that knows the exact date.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
Well, I think that we should be considering all theories with an open mind. What does the user's number of posts matter?
Perhaps this poster just found this information out, or perhaps they have only now been allowed/able to post it.
I am not saying I believe it, nor am I saying I don't. I am just saying that because a user only has one post does not mean we should automatically discount their information.
I mean TS only had one post at one time, as did we all.
Sorry, but TS provided us with a liddle bit more info in his first post, don't you think?
Mike knows people on here (at least most of them) do not believe anyone who just posts something claiming it to be truth and inside information, that is why TS’ posts are so well argumented.
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
By a. simply telling (almost) no one when that date will be, and b. by letting those who do know sign a confidentiality agreement.
He could also be testing his friends by giving them all a different date (how many have we seen already) and see who can't keep his mouth shut.
I personally think he is the only one that knows the exact date.
What if someone guessed it and posted it?
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
By a. simply telling (almost) no one when that date will be, and b. by letting those who do know sign a confidentiality agreement.
He could also be testing his friends by giving them all a different date (how many have we seen already) and see who can't keep his mouth shut.
I personally think he is the only one that knows the exact date.
What if someone guessed it and posted it?
I think he will see the difference between a poster coincidentally guessing the date (which still can be any date) and someone he knows not able to keep his mouth shut.
Buty as I said, I really do think no one but him knows the exact date.
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so the bam date would not be determined by nurmerology? if it would i don't know that one would put an informant in place to give out the information of the system one was using to plan everything by unless one wanted it figured out. :?
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so the bam date would not be determined by nurmerology? if it would i don't know that one would put an informant in place to give out the information of the system one was using to plan everything by unless one wanted it figured out. :?
I didn't say that. Many 'perfect' dates have passed, many will still come. And I think he is the only one that knows the date.
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so the bam date would not be determined by nurmerology? if it would i don't know that one would put an informant in place to give out the information of the system one was using to plan everything by unless one wanted it figured out. :?
I didn't say that. Many 'perfect' dates have passed, many will still come. And I think he is the only one that knows the date.
i wasn't basing what i said only on your statement but the dialog of the last few post. i agree that it is his to know and ours find out . i think it would be more easily found out some other way than by some system. more a random person who might get it rather than someone informing. again though that is only me thinking outloud , nothing i can say for sure.
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
(http://www.21softs.com/emoticons/images/twitchsmile.gif)
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so many secrets here... I feel like a baby who doesn't know the rules of this game.
But still I'm enjoying it...when I don't cry of despair that maybe we are wrong and he's dead.
Blackjack's post was interesting and I saw he had only 1 post and I also saw that if I add all the numbers in the date and time he joined this forum I get 28, which means 7777. I know it;s foolish to think this means something, but it's TS' fault that I came to believe in numbers :lol:
I don't say I believe in this new bamsday, but in fact why not?!
Could be this day, as well as any other day.
Oh and one who joints the forum and makes only 1 but very interesting post is interesting enough to me ;)
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Blackjack's post was interesting and I saw he had only 1 post and I also saw that if I add all the numbers in the date and time he joined this forum I get 28, which means 7777.
No. 28 -> 2+8=10 makes 1.
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@MJFAN7 LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what does it mean exactly? :lol:
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i know am going to regret asking this (since i will become consumed) but what are the basic rules of this stuff anyway? can someone post them?
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i know am going to regret asking this (since i will become consumed) but what are the basic rules of this stuff anyway? can someone post them?
Basic rules for what?
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Rules: everything, words, numbers,the size of your bra.... whatever....combined and after an easy maths operation, leads to 777 :geek:
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@MJFAN7 LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what does it mean exactly? :lol:
ANOTHER bamsday post by a mysterious user.. :lol: so of course ill be a little bit excited for that date.
but this time its about a year away instead of a week. :shock: :lol:
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Blackjack's post was interesting and I saw he had only 1 post and I also saw that if I add all the numbers in the date and time he joined this forum I get 28, which means 7777.
No. 28 -> 2+8=10 makes 1.
I'm certain I've seen 21 interpreted here as 3 x 7, i.e 777 - wouldn't the same be true of 28 being 4 x 7, 7777?
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@MJFAN7 LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: what does it mean exactly? :lol:
ANOTHER bamsday post by a mysterious user.. :lol: so of course ill be a little bit excited for that date.
but this time its about a year away instead of a week. :shock: :lol:
Ok. I don't why but your SMILEy actually made me laugh out loud, really! after the big headache I had today it was very much needed :D thank you for that!
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Rules: everything, words, numbers,the size of your bra.... whatever....combined and after an easy maths operation, leads to 777 :geek:
Hmmmm I only have one 7 in my bra size... Is that a clue? :ugeek:
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i know am going to regret asking this (since i will become consumed) but what are the basic rules of this stuff anyway? can someone post them?
Basic rules for what?
numera... numero... ahhh :? that numbers game (spacks self upside the head)
numerology :|
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
do you mean someone specifically or all who doubt?
sorry about your head , hope sleep helps
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Rules: everything, words, numbers,the size of your bra.... whatever....combined and after an easy maths operation, leads to 777 :geek:
Hmmmm I only have one 7 in my bra size... Is that a clue? :ugeek:
In deed...take 3 bras and you get 777 :geek:
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Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
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Oh goodo, another first post! I'm off to bed before another heated debate gets under way! I'll catch up in the morning! (No offense to anyone intended - I think the human interactions here are intriguing.)
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
sorry for losing my cool
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Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
Welcome Josephine, many of us agree that TS's posts are informative and valuable and we are very grateful to TS. I am intrigued to know why you have chosen to post your name as one of Michael's so called aliases?
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
sorry for losing my cool
Huh? You had problems logging in?
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
sorry for losing my cool
Huh? You had problems logging in?
no. sometimes it just seems a little like oz . people coming and going so quickly. makes my suspicious nature jump the track and head more toward .......well you know jacket time.
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Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
Welcome Josephine, many of us agree that TS's posts are informative and valuable and we are very grateful to TS. I am intrigued to know why you have chosen to post your name as one of Michael's so called aliases?
I am simply a great admirer of the late ms Baker.
1998^V/7
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
sorry for losing my cool
Huh? You had problems logging in?
no. sometimes it just seems a little like oz . people coming and going so quickly. makes my suspicious nature jump the track and head more toward .......well you know jacket time.
I wear it all day now, I decided it was safer.
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wow! that's impressive. it took a whole day for me to get put through to be added to the forum . you got in almost instantaneously!
off with me head!
sorry for losing my cool
Huh? You had problems logging in?
no. sometimes it just seems a little like oz . people coming and going so quickly. makes my suspicious nature jump the track and head more toward .......well you know jacket time.
I wear it all day now, I decided it was safer.
perhaps we should add one of those padded helmets to the wardrobe also. i know i could use it. ;)
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Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
Welcome Josephine, many of us agree that TS's posts are informative and valuable and we are very grateful to TS. I am intrigued to know why you have chosen to post your name as one of Michael's so called aliases?
I am simply a great admirer of the late ms Baker.
1998^V/7
Welcome JB! I've added a link to a wiki entry on Josephine Baker's biographical information for those who are unfamiliar with who this lady was. Love & peace, Emerald
Josephine Baker (June 3, 1906 – April 12, 1975) was an American-born dancer, singer, and actress. Nicknamed the "Bronze Venus," the "Black Pearl", and even the "Créole Goddess" in anglophone nations, in France, Josephine has always been known simply as "La Baker."
Baker was the first African American to star in a major motion picture, to integrate an American concert hall, and to become a world-famous entertainer. She is also noted for her contributions to the Civil Rights Movement in the United States (she was offered the unofficial leadership of the movement by Coretta Scott King in 1968 following Martin Luther King, Jr.'s assassination, but turned it down),[3] for assisting the French Resistance during World War II[4] and for being the first American-born woman to receive the French military honor, the Croix de guerre.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Baker
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
now this is where i have apparently missed it.by whose authority can we say that this if fact?
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
Showman indeed!
This is the best LIVE soap opera I have witnessed.
(http://www.21softs.com/emoticons/images/twitchsmile.gif)
I just liked the emoticon, lol
Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
I am glad you posted and shared your observation. I have had this thought about his fans not understanding Mike's message for a long time. For some their eyes will stay veiled for a VERY long time. Even after Mike returns many will not hear his message.
I post about the Civil Rights activist side of Mike and my posts seem to go unnoticed.
I have posted on the INJUSTICES done to black men and women and I know that is very important to Mike, I have heard it with my own ears when he spoke about the music industry taking advantage of artists especially black artist.
These are the times we live in. IMAGE is what has ruled for many years and casts a spell over some people and they can not break free from it and open up their minds to his message.
Scoffers are doing their job in fulfilling prophesy. Just like beLIEvers are doing their role in fulfilling prophesy.
Seems as though everyone has a role for me...lol
So he has played many roles for most of his life for us here on earth and now it is TIME for Mike to play his role designated by GOD.
I am glad you posted because you reminded me of a great and legendary black female artist. Below is a documentary about her.
Josephine Baker.
Now you must come back and decode this 1998^V/7
LOL... 8-)
[youtube:30n3mgbh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfAup7drrls[/youtube:30n3mgbh]
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Hmmm and no offense to anyone, that person seems to have (or want) the ability of emotional blackmail, underestimate the intelligence of others, and finally brainwashed. Why? Because, in principle, this line should be totally unnecessary in contexto.IMO :shock:
By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
But ... about the hoax, specifically, what can you tell me please? :)
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I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
So, can you explain how he would stop someone?
By a. simply telling (almost) no one when that date will be, and b. by letting those who do know sign a confidentiality agreement.
He could also be testing his friends by giving them all a different date (how many have we seen already) and see who can't keep his mouth shut.
I personally think he is the only one that knows the exact date.
What if someone guessed it and posted it?
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Or this one is "guessed" and does not know anything about the "hoax", but just try to strengthen our hope that the "hoax" actually occurred, since many people are giving up. It could be anyone of us here, including. Well, this was the reading I did!
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
now this is where i have apparently missed it.by whose authority can we say that this if fact?
I know what Serenity is saying here, at least I think I do. Meaning, it matters not if the numerology is in accordance with whatever rules there are to numerology (what they are I don't know), or even if numerology is a real science or not (it's not)... it only matters that if this is a hoax (it is lol) that means Michael arranged it in accordance with his own,probably made up invented MJ brand "NEW seven day theory" numerology.
So the authority you ask about is the authority of logic. If it's a hoax then Michael designed it... and this includes the numerology, because the numbers are there and they are not accidental or contrived. They didn't show up by "chance" so that means Michael intended for them to be there... and probably for them to be found too.
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exactly the point
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Well thanky Black Jack.
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so many secrets here...
Black Jack, Josephine Backer.....JB - BJ
Are you one and the same :lol: ?
BJ is 21 and sorry Souza but you can't argue that: 21 IS 777 :lol: :lol: :lol:
The 7 of your bra is just a coincidence, believe me :D
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Well if TS is Michael Jackson, then TS is a liar.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
Source: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=1924&p=27558#p27558
An actor who playes his part is not a liar :D
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Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. :mrgreen:
This thought has crossed my mind many times and whilst I do not know for sure, I beLIEve that Back is TS is Michael 8-)
Wouldn't it make another great chapter in the Hoax story! ;) and it would be so funny! (after the initial shock!) :lol: :lol: :lol:
With L.O.V.E
I agree Back is TS is Michael!
Back`s prior knowledge years before June 25, 2009, his defense of Katherine and the family and his comments about other players in the hoax.
TS`numerology, the redirects and so much knowledge about it all combined with the band analogy and saying
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just screams Michael to me. :lol:
Plus most of us on the board sense that the person behind these screen names is male and that in itself speaks volumes ;) :lol:
"you wouldn't believe me anyway"
These words - I've seen them before in 2009, after June 25th.
There was a user on youtube pretending to be Michael. Many people believed it. Someone under the mask of Mr. V came in the comments board of that user and told everybody there to be careful, because they were deceived.
There was a lot of argument against Mr. V - they didn't believe him.
They asked for proof from him. There was a lot of argument....
Finally Mr. V, when asked for more proof, told them "why should I tell you, you wouldn't believe me anyway..." And he closed his account the next day.......
But the way he spoke was so strange to me that I almost believed it was Michael at that time.
I even wrote my opinion on his page account, trying to find out more.
He commented back on my page that he totaly agreed with me and then just closed his account.
Untill today I still have this feeling that he could have been Michael or someone very close to him. I saved all his replies because .... he was so calm, so confident, like he was 100% sure of what he was talking about....and never get mad of the way he was treated by the fans there....my impression was that he truly loved those fans and really wanted them to not continue to believe in a fake Michael......of course I might be wrong :D
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
now this is where i have apparently missed it.by whose authority can we say that this if fact?
I know what Serenity is saying here, at least I think I do. Meaning, it matters not if the numerology is in accordance with whatever rules there are to numerology (what they are I don't know), or even if numerology is a real science or not (it's not)... it only matters that if this is a hoax (it is lol) that means Michael arranged it in accordance with his own,probably made up invented MJ brand "NEW seven day theory" numerology.
So the authority you ask about is the authority of logic. If it's a hoax then Michael designed it... and this includes the numerology, because the numbers are there and they are not accidental or contrived. They didn't show up by "chance" so that means Michael intended for them to be there... and probably for them to be found too.
Thank you bec my thoughts exactly. But I'm Sarahli not Serenity :lol:
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Oh geez, I'm sorry Sarahli. Too much scrolling I guess. Lol!
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I have to admit that I have distanced myself from here for the last couple of months just because 1) I wanted to see if I would be able to just let it be which I cannot and 2) I was spending almost every waking minute on this site to the point that it seemed almost obsessive. Even without coming here and corresponding with everyone I have found that I am still not able to believe that Michael is dead. It is a constant subject int he back of my mind. Something just isn't right and my gut tells me that everything that happened in June 2009 and since has been part of a hoax. Now I come back here and decide to take a read at just the most recent threads to see what is current and I have found myself spending hours on this one. There is so much information within just this thread alone and I can't help but to agree with most of what I am reading. I have missed you all and am so glad to be back. I can't wait to reconnect with all of you and exchange ideas once again. So for now, and until Michael returns, I am determined to recommit to helping in the efforts to find out what is going on. :P
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I have to admit that I have distanced myself from here for the last couple of months just because 1) I wanted to see if I would be able to just let it be which I cannot and 2) I was spending almost every waking minute on this site to the point that it seemed almost obsessive. Even without coming here and corresponding with everyone I have found that I am still not able to believe that Michael is dead. It is a constant subject int he back of my mind. Something just isn't right and my gut tells me that everything that happened in June 2009 and since has been part of a hoax. Now I come back here and decide to take a read at just the most recent threads to see what is current and I have found myself spending hours on this one. There is so much information within just this thread alone and I can't help but to agree with most of what I am reading. I have missed you all and am so glad to be back. I can't wait to reconnect with all of you and exchange ideas once again. So for now, and until Michael returns, I am determined to recommit to helping in the efforts to find out what is going on. :P
Lol! Thanks, glad you are back. I know EXACTLY what you mean about everything you just said! I'm obsessed as well but I wouldn't be if I could just believe that Michael died. I just can't! Reminds me of Leave Me Alone - "There's a time when you're right and you know you must fight"...that's how I feel!
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I have to admit that I have distanced myself from here for the last couple of months just because 1) I wanted to see if I would be able to just let it be which I cannot and 2) I was spending almost every waking minute on this site to the point that it seemed almost obsessive. Even without coming here and corresponding with everyone I have found that I am still not able to believe that Michael is dead. It is a constant subject int he back of my mind. Something just isn't right and my gut tells me that everything that happened in June 2009 and since has been part of a hoax. Now I come back here and decide to take a read at just the most recent threads to see what is current and I have found myself spending hours on this one. There is so much information within just this thread alone and I can't help but to agree with most of what I am reading. I have missed you all and am so glad to be back. I can't wait to reconnect with all of you and exchange ideas once again. So for now, and until Michael returns, I am determined to recommit to helping in the efforts to find out what is going on. :P
Welcome back.
I went through the same thing but I didn't last months like you. I think it is beneficial to take a break and clear the mind. What refuses to be swept clean is real. MJ is not dead. This is a hoax. He will be back.
We need to keep working. I have a feeling we are a part of this in some integral way that we don't yet understand or appreciate fully. I feel an urge to keep going, like the answers are RIGHT THERE but for whatever reason we can't see them... yet. Soon perhaps.
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
now this is where i have apparently missed it.by whose authority can we say that this if fact?
I know what Serenity is saying here, at least I think I do. Meaning, it matters not if the numerology is in accordance with whatever rules there are to numerology (what they are I don't know), or even if numerology is a real science or not (it's not)... it only matters that if this is a hoax (it is lol) that means Michael arranged it in accordance with his own,probably made up invented MJ brand "NEW seven day theory" numerology.
So the authority you ask about is the authority of logic. If it's a hoax then Michael designed it... and this includes the numerology, because the numbers are there and they are not accidental or contrived. They didn't show up by "chance" so that means Michael intended for them to be there... and probably for them to be found too.
and ts is authenticated because he brought this to our attention? and because the army of love was mentioned on jacksons facebook?
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Err...the numerology actually is not a science that would be defined, contained and limited in some old books for it to be an officially recognized and approved fact by some higher authorities where we would have to look at to have the "authorized" stamp. The numerology here is embeded in the hoax according to Michael's wishes, this is Michael's hoax and hence this is also Michael's numerology (maybe inspired by other things but the inter-connections, pattern within the hoax is what I'm talking about too), at least this is how I understand it. Guess he should have wrote a book about it before...but it would have kinda ruined the hoax...please, TS' posts are clear why do you still doubt? I think that my headache is coming back, I'm off to sleep.
now this is where i have apparently missed it.by whose authority can we say that this if fact?
I know what Serenity is saying here, at least I think I do. Meaning, it matters not if the numerology is in accordance with whatever rules there are to numerology (what they are I don't know), or even if numerology is a real science or not (it's not)... it only matters that if this is a hoax (it is lol) that means Michael arranged it in accordance with his own,probably made up invented MJ brand "NEW seven day theory" numerology.
So the authority you ask about is the authority of logic. If it's a hoax then Michael designed it... and this includes the numerology, because the numbers are there and they are not accidental or contrived. They didn't show up by "chance" so that means Michael intended for them to be there... and probably for them to be found too.
and ts is authenticated because he brought this to our attention? and because the army of love was mentioned on jacksons facebook?
My headache has disappeared :D
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A similar discussion is occurring on the MJHD.com forum so I thought I would post what I just posted there.
.... But I thought that BACK was Michael Jackson? :| No one really knows who Michael is on the boards. Well, Some may do.
I personally do not believe TS in MJ.....
I do think MJ is Back though. I also think MJ has assumed a few identities on the boards......I think he reads....how could he not? LOL ...MJ is an inquisitive person so Im almost postive he reads here...
I will say that TS posts are VERY detailed and you sometimes have to read them numerous times to understand...they are VERY well thought out and they make perfect sense. Hisposts are long and complicated but he provides links to EVERYTHING in case you question anything.......Im very impressed with his posts...however, he doesnt seem legit to me...
And I noticed that Back, TS and Tim Simkins all use the dash extensively in their posts, this is a "signature" and all 3 of them include religion in their posts. As we know Michael is very religious.
An example of one of Back's posts:
Posted by Back
As one who embodies "vision" past 20/20, occurrences of the future are often "experienced". But many times this "experience" comes in the form of internal jolts, indicative of something of great significance. Séance hoaxes are not applicable.There are tIMEs when details are sparse, but abundant enough to "see" the grandness, just as it was in this magnetism towards the tHeOrY of sEVEN.
Exit Angel Gabriel----enter Angel Michael
Luke 1:36
"And in the sixth month the angel (Gabri)el was sent from God unto a city......
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph..."
And in the sixth month the angel (Micha)el was “statused” by God in a city...(of Angels)
.........espoused to a man whose name was Joseph.
On 6-25-09, tIME took a literal backseat to the mOMENt. I could always "see" a Silhouette on a Grand-stage, once again taking over the World. Perhaps also parallel in holding to our proclamation that this was NOT a "comeback", but a take-over. This was it. And in a thunderous sense,-----it was. It just didn't dawn on me that that Grand Stage would be in the Heavens; A visual Staple-d to the Center of our minds for all eternity.
Physically--no more, but with us in an eternal Angelic presence. We witnessed the beginning of this transfer on 7/7 of this historical year.
As History has shown, reflected through the books and logics of many faiths, Prophets do and have walked amongst us. They have sometimes been Angels in the temporary casts of both tIME and human flesh. And in their allotted tIME, their purposes have most often been message DeLIVErance.
In the separation of major tIME factions in our planetary HiStory, specifically Birth of Christ (BC) To nearly 2009 years post his physical exit (AD), there's only one other Worldly figure that has been bestowed the powers to reach EVERY corner of the globe. And that Heavenly Gift was the Incomparable Michael Jackson.
2+5, The days of Christ and Michael.
Although many other Great Worldly figures, ranging from Martin to Mother Teresa, have graced this Earth with soul driven purposes that have benefited humanity, there have ONLY been two who have been subjected to literal crucifixions; before, during and after their deaths. And even in the face of these crucifixions, they both maintained hearts filled with love, sensitivity and care for all man/woman-kind. They carried rare emotional connections to and concerns for every single poor and sick person on the planet; Especially the children. They were in-tune with the necessary nurturance that this magnificent creation we inhabit requires for survival. They both never stopped giving and wanting to give more! They even carried compassion and hope for those who were consumed with evil and sought to do them both harm. An EXTREME rarity!
Christ was the savior of lives once as a physical being
So too was Michael Jackson.
I’m sure there are “many” here on this very board who can attest to that. My word itself does not have to be taken as conclusive. The proof will be provided through acknowledgement.
Throughout the decades of the modern tIMEs we live, many Great figures have suffered untIMEly demises. Deep reflection of these occurrences will or should give you great pause. The easiest approach up until about 20 years ago was always by the bullet. What changed the trend? Well, along came awareness, suspicion, and non-acceptance of "stories" that carry potholes in logic. Thus, it demanded a necessity for more elaborate plans of execution that are now used as a means of thwarting the full truth. This process had to be in magnification ten fold in order to end the physical existence of the most famous person walking this Earth. Many OTHER attempts had failed, even though they left enormous wounds. You see, evil always goes for the jugular by attacking a person's greatest strength. Michael Jackson's greatest strength was pure love. The antagonist of such a principle is hate. So they used that pure love and coupled it with another of his strengths towards healing and caring for sick children to formulate perhaps the most wickedly contrived fiction in history. The goal was to create the most egregious of perceptions and marvel with pleasure and amusement at its historically noted difficulty to disprove. But I'm of the vision that this stain too shall be removed in due course. In fact, I have intuition that the subject of the first narrative has already, years ago, righted that wrong behind the scenes.For that individual or even those of his acquaintance, who are ambivalent about the “open” approach & legalities, these initials (T-M) are your "key". Trust ME!
Though the hands of tIME still move incrementally, tick-tock, tick-tock, it is quickly running thin on the 2 decade long, elaborate planning that culminated in this execution. I can now understand that "vision" of 6/25/06 relapse", with CLARITY. This is no conspiracy theory! However, believe as you may. But believing and knowing---are two different things.
Arms, wrist and feet. Bludgeoned through the veins.
Arms, wrist and feet, Poisoned through the veins.
Two different Kings, with different Reigns.
And The End result shall be the same.
JUSTICE........For it is already written!
And shall be illUMINATED! (E. Chandler—I hope you left proper notice repenting---the inferno awaits and you shall become a believer in what you didn’t before. HELL is your EQUALIZER. You’ve earned it!
“With all the ingredients—is it Simmering---can you smell it—how long before the “pie” is done.” – As many have realized, IT would have been greatness to an infinite degree.
Mr. Jackson--- you know I still have your back--- until my end.
Connected
KEEP Watchin'.......
"This is my planet. You're ONE of Us" --- The Greatest
Examples of Tim Simkins Posts
Just read that part - to me it just screams TS:
Yet the mere fact of publishing S.T.U.D.Y. material on the Web is not my main calling; it is the type of
Web publishing that I am planning to do—which is unique, important, and my main calling. I plan to take Web
publishing and doctrinal STUDY to a level never done before, as far as I know (and I am fairly sure that I would
know it, if anyone else out there were already doing what I am planning to do). I am not going to “let the cat out
of the bag” just yet; but I will give a little detail regarding my plans in this newsletter, and there will be much
more detail on this in my next (October) newsletter.
What I have in mind would be very difficult or impossible without the Internet; and although the Internet
is used a lot in the promotion of evil, I believe that GOD has provided the Internet as a significant tool—perhaps
even the primary tool—in getting the gospel message to every soul on this planet (see Matthew 24:14; Revelation
14:6; etc). Of course this does not mean that every soul will accept the truth, but the truth must be given so
clearly that nobody can plead honest ignorance (see Acts 17:30,31; James 4:17; 2 Peter 3:3,5; etc).
Then the S.T.U.D.Y. newsletter "Are you Response-Able?" - it jumped out on me, when I read the title of the "TS Update #5: DO you Think 4 your Self?"
The website http://www.response-able.net (http://www.response-able.net) hasn't been finished, but it is described as followes:
B. This Website: http://www.Response-Able.net (http://www.Response-Able.net)
This website (http://www.Response-Able.net (http://www.Response-Able.net)) is dedicated to putting the Response-Able (give an answer) principle into actual practice, instead of merely being a theory. Furthermore, this website is designed to include an entire "Response-Able" system. Some of the logistics and details will be available for you to read later, if and when you become involved enough to need the further detail; but for now, the basic concepts of the system will be described here.
There will be a list of subject titles, which have already been introduced into the system (only one new subject will be added at a time; but once a subject has been introduced, it will remain in the system permanently). Each subject title will also have a brief description of the subject (anywhere from one sentence long, to no more than a paragraph); this will be to further clarify what that specific subject is about (in case the title alone is not sufficient).
Then for each different subject, there will be access to read and/or download evidence in support of (or even against) that subject. Throughout the evidence--and/or at the end of the evidence--there will be numbered questions, which relate to the evidence presented. After reading the evidence, people will have the option to answer any of the questions--or even ask questions of their own; and any answers, as well as any new questions (along with any new answers to the new questions, etc), will also be made readily available.
If anyone does not agree with what is taught regarding a certain subject, that's fine. If they wish, they can show that they have a better understanding regarding the matter: by answering the questions, and/or asking their own questions. Any short questions or answers (no more than a few sentences each) will be published on the Response-Able.net website; but if someone wants to give further evidence regarding any questions or answers: they will have the opportunity to put a link to another website, where an unlimited amount of further evidence either for or against the same subject can be published.
By using this system, the truth on any issue should automatically come to the surface before too long: it will be seen that all the questions are answered on one side of the issue, while there are unanswered questions on the other side. And the side that is indeed Response-Able (has answered all the questions), is most likely the same side of the issue which has the truth on that subject. Occasionally, there may be a subject where the evidence and answers (or unanswered questions) remains about the same on both sides of the issue: and as long as that is the case, it should be considered as a subject which may not be clearly revealed (perhaps at a later time, more evidence will surface to reveal what the truth is on that issue).
No subject will ever become a permanently closed case. At any time, new questions or new answers--if they really are new--will be allowed; but redundancy of the same basic questions or answers already listed will not be allowed, for that would just be a waste of time and space, etc.
In short: http://www.Response-Able.net (http://www.Response-Able.net) is intended to become a hub, from which any evidence on either side of any religious belief may be found. But more than that, it will provide a way to easily and quickly identify what issues are or are not supported by reasonable answers to all questions regarding that subject. This will make it relatively fast and easy to find the truth (at least for those who are honestly seeking it); and therefore it should greatly reduce honest ignorance (or honest errors), on a whole array of different subjects.
The S.T.U.D.Y. ministry (http://www.S-T-U-D-Y.org (http://www.S-T-U-D-Y.org)) will be the operator of the Response-Able system, although others can be involved through the question and answer aspect of the system (and again: others can also publish further evidence on another website, with a link to it from the Response-Able system's website). S.T.U.D.Y. newsletters will include at least an overview of the subject(s) added to the Response-Able system since the previous newsletter, as well as a brief update (at times) on subjects that are already in the system.
An example of TS' posts:
TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI?
“IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM ...”
Speculation About Who Is Behind TIAI
Although many have taken http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com) (TIAI) seriously—and thought that either Michael Jackson himself or someone from the MJ camp is behind the TIAI redirects—yet many others have assumed that TIAI is merely someone playing with the feelings of MJ fans. And some have even attempted to dismiss TIAI by identifying a specific person or website that is operating TIAI.
Many of these web pages and hoax forums have a lot of good information on them. However, the truth is that ever since the TIAI redirections began: no statement has been made by TIAI on any website of any kind—except of course the redirections are statements; and also one short reveal date announcement was made on 12-15-09 {http://www.youtube.com/user/TIAIrevealed}.
Prior to the start of TIAI, however, I did post about half a dozen threads on MJHD; no doubt those who read my threads will remember them. In my first few posts, the information presented had amazed some of the most advanced hoax investigators—and even had some questioning whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ. At the time, I was going by the screen name S.T.U.D.Y. Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear” (does this sound familiar?).
For those who may still question the validity of TIAI, let me point out several things which should show clearly that I’m not a fake (also, anyone who reads all 9 parts should be very certain that I am not faking it).
First, I am the one who brought out the 9 parallels between the Joey Skaggs “Final Curtain” hoax, and the MJ “Final Curtain Call” hoax {http://mjdeathoax.forumotion.com/this-is-it-f9/thisisalsiitcom-t89.htm}. I am also the one who revealed the 1998 MJ autograph codes, and predicted the 9-9-09 connections to “This Is It” a couple days before 9-9-09; and indeed that prediction came true {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm}.
I also predicted, more than a month before “This Is It” was seen by the public, that the MJ “resurrection” scene would not be at a funeral with MJ coming out of the casket; instead, I said it would be a graveyard scene, like original Thriller (see TIAI Revealed, Part 6). This came true, with the graveyard and spider “resurrection” scene during Thriller 2.
Another prediction of mine was that “This Is It” would reveal the hoax. And although the hoax was not revealed as blatantly as some of us were expecting, yet anyone who was paying attention did see the hoax revealed in the movie (lack of MJ R.I.P., or any mention of his death; Smooth Criminal hoaxed death; MJ statement after the credits; etc). Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version. For more details on this rated “R” prediction, etc: see TIAI Revealed, Part 6.
If anyone questions whether I actually stated these things before the fact, and not after, you might be able to find them on Google cache. And anyone reading this now, who remembers these things, please post a comment: verifying that your memory fits with what I am saying.
At the movie premier, Jermaine said: “this is really not it, there is going to be much, much, more …” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q2yIV-LaPI} There was also talk around that time of something more, relating to “This Is It”, coming out in December 2009—do you remember that? Well guess what, it is now December! And was it just a coincidence that I (S.T.U.D.Y.) am the same one who ended up with TIAI.com??
One of the first TIAI redirects was the movie trailer for “2012”; this was more than a week before the full movie was made public. Then when it was released, the public could see that the main character’s name was “Jackson”—and that he was on a mission to save the world; and they thought that he had died, but then found he was still alive; and many other parallels, that were not found in the trailer. Was it a coincidence that I redirected to the “2012” trailer, several days before the MJ parallels were known to the public?
There are many other things which should make it very clear that I am not faking it; but I won’t continue with them here—you will have to read all 9 parts to get the rest of them. And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. Again, anyone who reads all 9 parts will have no doubt that I do have some very important information. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you. But I will reveal this when the time is right. Anyway, how I got the information is not nearly as important as whether or not the information is true. So I am not asking anyone to believe what I say based upon my claim of where it came from; rather, I am asking you to let the evidence speak for itself.
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Speculation About the Purpose of TIAI
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions. But many hoax believers have not taken TIAI seriously, based primarily or entirely on assumption—not on any solid evidence. Good investigators do not dismiss any avenue of investigation, unless there is very solid evidence that it’s not valid. Actually, TIAI is the farthest from goofing around as you can possibly get; anyone who reads all 9 parts will know this for certain, without a trace of doubt.
If anyone continues to oppose TIAI, without reading these 9 parts: please remind them that MJ said “prejudice is ignorance”; and this includes more than just racial prejudice. Pre-jud-ice means to be pre-judge-ish, to judge prematurely. If someone has read all 9 parts, and still wants to oppose TIAI, that is fine; but if anyone makes objections blindly in the dark, they are prejudice. Albert Einstein said: “Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”
During the course of the redirections, a common reason given for not accepting TIAI, was that there was no new information—so apparently TIAI was getting information from hoax forums, instead of the other way around. Even if that were true (and it’s not), it wouldn’t necessarily prove that TIAI is fake; the fact is that thousands are watching TIAI, few of which are advanced hoax investigators who already know all these things—and in fact some watching aren’t even hoax believers (yet).
Another point is that even if advanced hoax investigators already know each piece in the puzzle (each redirection): this does not mean that they have already put all the puzzle pieces together, and already see the bigger picture—in fact, if they did already see the bigger picture, then why haven’t they posted it already? Again, anyone who reads all 9 parts here will see that TIAI presents a big picture which nobody else has fully brought out before now.
Finally, it is not even true that TIAI never pointed to anything new. Some examples are the Year Zero ARG (true, ARG’s had been discussed before this, but not this specific one and its relationship to the whole hoax, etc); the Art Is Resistance poster (MJ AIR); Performance Art; the JFK connection, and the George magazine title; the Titanic; and the Ark of the Covenant; etc.
A similar idea was that TIAI was merely mocking statements made on the hoax forums—such as CeeLovesMJ said “I’m going to ‘ease on down the road’”; then shortly after that, TIAI redirected to the Yellow Brick Road {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/this-is-also-it-t3233-325.htm}. The simple fact is, as you can see the date on the forum thread, it was 11-16-09; and the redirect to the Yellow Brick Road & Emerald City had already been planned to display on 11-17-09 for several reasons, including the fact that this day was a one-time special 70th anniversary showing of the Wizard of Oz {http://www.ncm.com/Fathom/Premiere/WizardofOz_Encore.aspx}.
Especially during the redirections about JFK and conspiracies: some were saying that TIAI is merely trying to create fear, and control people through fear. This in spite of the fact that an earlier redirect said “It’s All For LOVE”; and another redirect was included after the JFK ones, saying “People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.” The purpose of TIAI is not to create fear; rather, it is to create awareness and awakening and hope, which can lead to more safety and less fear.
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Forum Discussions About TIAI Revealed
For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer. Also, TIAI is now going to be heavily discussed in all of the hoax forums and beyond; so if you read everything, then you will be able to join the discussions with a good understanding of the information being discussed.
For the most part, I will not be involved personally in the discussions; but I will occasionally answer objections to what I am revealing now. However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.
For those who are interested, please feel free to post your comments on these TIAI Revealed threads. However, please be careful to stay on topic; there will be thousands of people or more, reading these posts. Since there is already a lot to read, we don’t want them to spend even more time reading through things that are not related. Also, try to keep your discussion under the most relevant thread in the 9 parts (for example: discuss 911 in part 4, which had a specific redirect about 911—rather than part 7, which just briefly mentioned 911 along with several other conspiracies).
I just found something and I'm "confused".
I googled Tim Simkin again and got a link to a copyright database.
The title of the work is "Confused" and the first thing, that jumped in my eye was "2000 Watts" (wth-)
The thing is, I don't know how to understand this database!
But Tim Simkin is listed on the same page as Michael Jackson with a copyright.
This is pretty much for a coincidence..........
Names: Tim Simkin, Timothy Dwight Simkin 1963- pseud. Tim E. Infinity
Here's the link:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... =firefox-a (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jrKIZVDtRSwJ:www.faqs.org/copyright/how-to-be-successful-in-reading-studying-taking-exams-and-2/+%22tim+simkin%22&cd=12&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a)
In the beginning of this PDF you can see, that Tim Simkins middle name actally starts with D.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf (http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf)
Maybe you can find more! I have to go...
Confused
Type of Work: Sound recording and music
Registration Number / Date: SRu000156723 / 1989-06-05
Date of Creation:1989
Title: Confused.
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.
Description: sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Tim Simkin
Notes: Cataloged from appl.
Authorship on Application: words, music, performance, recording: Timothy Dwight Simkin, whose pseud. is Tim E. Infinity.
Names: Timothy Dwight Simkin 1963- pseud. Tim E. Infinity
pseud. Tim E. Infinity = Time Infinity
In TII Michael says: "This is an adventure, a great adventure. You want to show them TIME, like they've never seen before". Michael also emerges from a black widow spider at the start of "Thriller" (surrounded by the Resurrected Dead aka zombies). Spiders are a symbol of resurrection and the red "hourglass" (which represents TIME) is shaped like a figure eight, this is also the sign for INFINITY.
Has it crossed anyone's mind that Michael could have created the S.T.U.D.Y.org site himself and Tim Simkins is just another alias. The Tim Simkins that was located in the search that tried (and failed) to debunk TS could just be a man with the same name and he could have nothing to do with the S.T.U.D.Y.org site at all. The whole point could be to see how well "we" can accept the message even though it challenges our preconceptions as well as if we truly are investigating every possibility in this ADVENTURE...
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and ts is authenticated because he brought this to our attention? and because the army of love was mentioned on jacksons facebook?
Suspicious mind I begin to think that you really have well chosen your nickname here :D suspicious till the end? ;)
TS is legit because he is the only one who explained the numerology, numerology which proves beyond all doubt that it's a hoax planned by Michael himself. I mean that this numerology actually makes sense, gives a message, it's like if TS gave us a kind of code permitting us to make the necessary connections in this hoax, it is not random, no coincidences possible here and as of today nobody won the $999 reward....
TS also provided proofs (predictions) that he has inside information, that he didn't just figured out the numerology by himself on a rainy sunday, but that this is really Michael's numerology. His posts permitted us to have a better image of what the hoax really is. TS is Michael's informer together with TMZ and the link can be made thanks to the numerology among other things like TMZ being first to announce Michael's "death" for example. But all these facts are better explained in TS' posts I don't think that what I have written will erase your doubts or suspicions. :D
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Confused
Type of Work: Sound recording and music
Registration Number / Date: SRu000156723 / 1989-06-05
Date of Creation:1989
Title: Confused.
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.
Description: sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Tim Simkin
Notes: Cataloged from appl.
Authorship on Application: words, music, performance, recording: Timothy Dwight Simkin, whose pseud. is Tim E. Infinity.
Names: Timothy Dwight Simkin 1963- pseud. Tim E. Infinity
I started to believe that "Confused" was my natural status of mind...I see that more people had it earlier....
I have read post in this forum using versals in words, like writing GEMa i.e
Should be that relevant?
As I see TS, he/ she has been presenting to us many passages of the Bible and indirectly we have been "indoctrinated" by the reading of the scriptures and learning more about the concept of the gospel and God...like an online "door to door" visit from a preacher, messenger or disciple (as J.W do).
Looks like a smart way to preach....we want to know about MJ, about what happened to him and between MJ and MJ we get to read one, or several passages of the Bible.
And the reason was?
I never saw any logic in the way TS´s posts were built regarding this hoax and to be honest I am still lost triying to understand the message....too much info, too extended and too much to learn if one is not familiar with the Bible. At the end I find myself with a huge mishmash that i can´t solve during the time i dedicate to read the forum.
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Thanks Serenity! I think I understand your coffee-free explanations but can't honestly say the confusion about why you sometimes use digits and sometimes whole numbers, has completely disappeared!
Are you saying that when you're looking for important years, as opposed to life numbers, the rule is to use the whole numbers so you can end up with a four figure year number? There must be a rule about when to use which method, otherwise it would be force fitting, or mathematical gymnastics.
We establish that 1998 is significant to the hoax because of "the Dangerous Code Autographs" signed in that year.
We establish that the number 1998 can be broken down in the following ways and it's into master numbers:
1998 = 2 x 999 or 999 + 999
1998 = 666 or 666 + 666 + 666
1998 = 6 x 333
1998 = 9 x 222
1998 = 18 x 111
We have shown a pattern for this number in relation to master numbers. So this is a very special year.
We can now use the numbers within the pattern to look at other things that may be related to the hoax.
Ok let's do some adding.
111 + 222 = 333 This is the third number in our pattern
333 + 666 = 999 the last number in our pattern
1998 really is a special number, no wonder Michael chose it for these interesting autographs. :lol:
So 09/09/09 was a significant date in the autopsy report - 999
and 777 was a significant number in this TII because it was on the red mission shirt
Adding them together gives us 999 + 777 = 1776
1776 is the year the declaration of Independence was signed. Freedom from the British. This is significant to the performance in TII of "They Don't Care About Us" in which Martin Luther King says "in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation."
Okay so if I take the original year 1998 and subtract 1776 from it
1998 - 1776 = 222
Another master number and one we already discovered in the pattern above.
Ok now what if I add 777 (the mission shirt in TII) to that
222 + 777 = 999
We are back to another number in the pattern.
If I had simply reduced 1998 to 9, I would have discovered no pattern and no other significant year and would have totally missed out on so many clues.
Because there is a pattern here that is undeniable, we can go on and on just like TS did. ;) :lol:
Since TS has been able to reveal all of this to us, who have no real understanding of numerology prior to the hoax, I believe that this is another clue as to TS identity.
To be able to present the numerological significances as they have, TS is either an avid student of numerology or they have created all of this themselves. If they are responsible for the formulation of the numerology, they are responsible for the hoax, if they are responsible for the hoax then they are Michael himself. :mrgreen:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14058&start=100 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14058&start=100)
Does MJ Have Any Informers?
Elvis/Jesse had Dr. Hinton as an informer, and he helped to write the book {see Update #6, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061)}. And Elvis/Jesse still has Linda as an informer {http://lindahoodsigmontruth.com/index.php}. So would MJ have no informers? And if that doesn’t make sense, then who are the reliable MJ informers—if not TMZ and/or TS? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11198&start=25#p189140}
I am reminded of Skaggs and his “hoax” Final Curtain, he played a good majority of the charactors in that ”hoax” and people had NO CLUE they were talking to Skaggs.
Just like people have NO CLUE who they are speaking to now…TS
Furthermore, if MJ does not have a news source in on the hoax: then how can he demonstrate the problem of the media running stories from other news facilities, without checking it out for themselves (which is exactly what happens when TMZ posts articles)? And if MJ did plan to demonstrate this, then what news company is he using—if not TMZ??
Not only is TMZ an obvious informant but, blatantly obvious articles written with key words hinting at Stories from The Bible.
Really a Gossip website is going to write Biblical references like that?
If NOT for the Boss MJ it would be going against what the Gossip site stands for sin, greed, corruption in Celebrities lives…
For those who have claimed that TS is only connected with TMZ, but not anything else in the hoax; here is the list yet again (with one more added). And this time there are sixteen ones with a * (instead of a #); these sixteen are all connections to more than just TMZ.
*1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
*2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
*3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
*6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
*7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
*8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
*9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
*10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
*11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
*12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
*15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
*16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
*19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
*20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
*21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
*22. “Strong Evidence of TS’s Authenticity” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13541; viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=13541&p=232799#p232795)}
This part is what should prove to skeptics that Michael is behind this “hoax” and informant TS by being The Only One who knows things and tells us things before they happen, just like Elvis/Jesse did with Linda.
Also Elvis/Jesse is The Only One who can explain the numerology used in his “death”
So it makes sense that since TS is The Only One who cracked the numerology code to 1998 and explains ALL the numerology used, what conclusion does that leave folks with?
I already have my answer and have had it since “Sweet Home Alabama” story.
8-)
Peace
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and ts is authenticated because he brought this to our attention? and because the army of love was mentioned on jacksons facebook?
Suspicious mind I begin to think that you really have well chosen your nickname here :D suspicious till the end? ;)
TS is legit because he is the only one who explained the numerology, numerology which proves beyond all doubt that it's a hoax planned by Michael himself. I mean that this numerology actually makes sense, gives a message, it's like if TS gave us a kind of code permitting us to make the necessary connections in this hoax, it is not random, no coincidences possible here and as of today nobody won the $999 reward....
TS also provided proofs (predictions) that he has inside information, that he didn't just figured out the numerology by himself on a rainy sunday, but that this is really Michael's numerology. His posts permitted us to have a better image of what the hoax really is. TS is Michael's informer together with TMZ and the link can be made thanks to the numerology among other things like TMZ being first to announce Michael's "death" for example. But all these facts are better explained in TS' posts I don't think that what I have written will erase your doubts or suspicions. :D
i hope i have not been responsible for your headache. as for the subject at hand i have to tell you that i do not totally reject all of this.but i will continue to keep viewing everything with a little suspicion as you have guessed it is indeed part of my nature ;) .it just so happens though that reading serinity's post i picked up on something that made me a little less suspicous.
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Confused
Type of Work: Sound recording and music
Registration Number / Date: SRu000156723 / 1989-06-05
Date of Creation:1989
Title: Confused.
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.
Description: sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Tim Simkin
Notes: Cataloged from appl.
Authorship on Application: words, music, performance, recording: Timothy Dwight Simkin, whose pseud. is Tim E. Infinity.
Names: Timothy Dwight Simkin 1963- pseud. Tim E. Infinity
I started to believe that "Confused" was my natural status of mind...I see that more people had it earlier....
I have read post in this forum using versals in words, like writing GEMa i.e
Should be that relevant?
As I see TS, he/ she has been presenting to us many passages of the Bible and indirectly we have been "indoctrinated" by the reading of the scriptures and learning more about the concept of the gospel and God...like an online "door to door" visit from a preacher, messenger or disciple (as J.W do).
Looks like a smart way to preach....we want to know about MJ, about what happened to him and between MJ and MJ we get to read one, or several passages of the Bible.
And the reason was?
I never saw any logic in the way TS´s posts were built regarding this hoax and to be honest I am still lost triying to understand the message....too much info, too extended and too much to learn if one is not familiar with the Bible. At the end I find myself with a huge mishmash that i can´t solve during the time i dedicate to read the forum.
Gema, TS has proven to be legit, to be Michael's informer. Well you still doubt, I don't know how I can show you. Plus, we all know that Michael is familiar with the Bible and its teachings, he reads it daily, so I find it normal that it's part of the message. And here TS used the Bible quotes more as "examples" then telling people if you don't believe you'll go to hell. Maybe you would have been more comfortable if he quoted something else...but it proves that this is a part of Michael's message/personality.
As being myself a believer in God and even if I'm not Christian, I understand TS/Michael, I totally understand why he feels the need to talk about it because when you are a true believer and faithful to God you absolutely cannot skip this subject, this is a part of yourself, a major and deep part, it's just natural when you talk about it. Michael may have even been frustrated to not be able to spread this message before and now I feel like he's more free to do it, plainly. You say that we want to know about MJ, you are right and this is what we are discovering, the man we never knew. Just see it that way, Michael holds the Gospel deep in his heart and he just quote it because this is his reference. More than just a part of the message, it's a part of Michael, I think.
In no way this is indoctrination everyone is free to believe or not, read it or not. The bottom line is think for yourself and TS made a point to tell us so. There is truth in the Bible, God's word (the true Bible) I don't understand why it shouldn't be talked about, just talked like we do for any other book or site we quote here. If you are not at ease with the religious part I can really understand but the major goal of this hoax has not to be forgotten, 666--->999 and all wills are necessary, yours included :D
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Thanks for you lovely post Sarahli :). Makes a lot of sense the way you presented it.
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I believe Michael created the S.T.U.D.Y.org site himself. The Tim Simkins that was "discovered" doesn't even have a link to the site beyond the same name. This man owns some small granite business or something like that. It isn't like there is only one Tim Simkins in the world. Finding out, on the Internet, that a man named "Tim Simkins" exists doesn't really debunked anything and besides Michael has used many aliases in the past.
Since the musical work entitled "Confused" by Tim E. Infinity was discovered, it seems obvious that "Tim Simkins" is a created persona and S.T.U.D.Y.org is not a real organization. Michael has meticulously planned this all out and by creating the S.T.U.D.Y.org site he knew it would cause "Confusion" (a musical creation ;) ). This has allowed Michael to remain somewhat anonymous for period of time as many peopel refuse to believe that TS is a valid source of information. I think Michael wanted to see how all this would play out; a unique look at "Human Nature".
He is a real jokester and a very tricky guy! :lol:
Bravo Michael!
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Well, if that is the case, he is not anonymous any more :lol: I wonder what other name he will be coming up with.
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SD, I have a question, I got a little lost. Is the copyright info for Tim E. Infinity psudo, for a SONG?
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SD, I have a question, I got a little lost. Is the copyright info for Tim E. Infinity psudo, for a SONG?
Confused
Type of Work: Sound recording and music
Registration Number / Date: SRu000156723 / 1989-06-05
Date of Creation:1989
Title: Confused.
Copyright Note: C.O. correspondence.
Description: sound cassette.
Copyright Claimant: Tim Simkin
Notes: Cataloged from appl.
Authorship on Application: words, music, performance, recording: Timothy Dwight Simkin, whose pseud. is Tim E. Infinity.
Names: Timothy Dwight Simkin 1963- pseud. Tim E. Infinity
Tim E. Infinity = Time Infinity
In TII Michael says: "This is an adventure, a great adventure. You want to show them TIME, like they've never seen before". Michael also emerges from a black widow spider at the start of "Thriller" (surrounded by the Resurrected Dead aka zombies). Spiders are a symbol of resurrection and the red "hourglass" (which represents TIME) is shaped like a figure eight, this is also the sign for INFINITY.
And on another note: Space, Time, and Infinity are all part of Quantum Mechanics theory which seesm to have come up throughout this adventure. (TMZ DOTS, L.O.V.E - Law Of Vibrational Energy etc)
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In TII Michael says: "This is an adventure, a great adventure. You want to show them TIME, like they've never seen before".
That is not what he says, he says talent, not time.
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In TII Michael says: "This is an adventure, a great adventure. You want to show them TIME, like they've never seen before".
That is not what he says, he says talent, not time.
He says Time...
Audio file
http://www.zshare.net/audio/81007333ae95e3a4/
http://www.zshare.net/audio/810070034719d8d8/
http://www.zshare.net/audio/8100694885c09722/
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Watching the blu ray as I write, rewinded a few times and I clearly hear talent.
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Watching the blu ray as I write, rewinded a few times and I clearly hear talent.
I took the audio directly off the youtube trailer on Sony's official site. I don't have the blu ray.
@0:50 seconds
[youtube:gs2jpo95]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUniG6F_RzY[/youtube:gs2jpo95]
Maybe there are two versions...
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sorry serenity but unless he has turned into paula deen it's talent ;)
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sorry serenity but unless he has turned into paula deen it's talent ;)
I clearly hear Time, I have no reason to make that up. I am not understanding why you hear Talent, they aren't even similar at all.
http://www.zshare.net/audio/81007333ae95e3a4/
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also on the YT: talent.
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also on the YT: talent.
Well I 'm not going to argue as I said I clearly hear Time. On the youtube trailer and the audio clip which I took from that trailer. L.O.V.E. is an acronym for Law Of Vibrational Energy, the power of thought and part of the theory of Quantum Mechanics, so it makes sense to me that "you want to show them Time, like you've never seen before" especially when he says "we only have four years to get it right" later on. Time seems to be relevant in this, not talent, we already know he has that. :lol:
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i have always wondered about that speech anyway. i wonder if parts were not cut out of it. just my impression.
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also on the YT: talent.
Well I 'm not going to argue as I said I clearly hear Time. On the youtube trailer and the audio clip which I took from that trailer. L.O.V.E. is an acronym for Law Of Vibrational Energy, the power of thought and part of the theory of Quantum Mechanics, so it makes sense to me that "you want to show them Time, like you've never seen before" especially when he says "we only have four years to get it right" later on. Time seems to be relevant in this, not talent, we already know he has that. :lol:
I don't want to argue as well, but I asked a few people now, and they all hear talent, all are 100% sure. I clearly hear talent as well. We don't know what he means with L.O.V.E., so that is just a theory on your part and that is why time makes sense to you. To me talent makes sense because we have seen and still are seeing talent. The band, the vocalists, the dancers, the actors (him as well, because that is a HUGE talent of Mike few people know about) but also Murray, the kids and everyone else playing a role in the most innovative movie ever made.
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also on the YT: talent.
Well I 'm not going to argue as I said I clearly hear Time. On the youtube trailer and the audio clip which I took from that trailer. L.O.V.E. is an acronym for Law Of Vibrational Energy, the power of thought and part of the theory of Quantum Mechanics, so it makes sense to me that "you want to show them Time, like you've never seen before" especially when he says "we only have four years to get it right" later on. Time seems to be relevant in this, not talent, we already know he has that. :lol:
I don't want to argue as well, but I asked a few people now, and they all hear talent, all are 100% sure. I clearly hear talent as well. We don't know what he means with L.O.V.E., so that is just a theory on your part and that is why time makes sense to you. To me talent makes sense because we have seen and still are seeing talent. The band, the vocalists, the dancers, the actors (him as well, because that is a HUGE talent of Mike few people know about) but also Murray, the kids and everyone else playing a role in the most innovative movie ever made.
I said that L.O.V.E. Is an acronym for Law of Vibrational Energy, which it is. That isn't just my theory. I have also asked several friends and they hear Time clearly, all are 100% sure.
Here are few examples that come up for Law Of Vibrational Energy (L.O.V.E.).
TS has also talked about sacred geometry in his updates which is mentioned in regards to L.O.V.E.
Sacred Geometry - The Science of LOVE (law of vibrational energy)
The science of L.O.V.E. - aka the Law of Vibrational Energy This mathematician takes you through real geometry, starting from a pyramid, and revealing the secrets of how the universe works, starting from measuring angles of triangles and pyramids, how to from there graph dna, waveforms, brainwaves, he takes you into more complicated shapes built from a triangle and unlocks more secrets. Its a very good watch. very enlightening.
http://www.sumotorrent.com/en/details/5482523/Sacred%20Geometry%20-%20The%20Science%20of%20LOVE%20%28law%20of%20vibrational%20energy%20.html
L.O.V.E…..Law of Vibrational Expansion!
There! I said it in a title line. Vibration, Vibration, Vibration….Now I have said it three more times!
Much of the world is ready to hear it!!
http://justallowit.com/uncategorized/lovelaw-of-vibrational-expansion/
We work with the universal healing energy of the universe. We are all vibrating energy work by L.O.V.E
Law Of Vibrational Energy
I am an energy healer and teacher.
http://www.loveenergyworker.com/
LOVE CHAKRAS BALANCING
1. Using the Law Of Vibration Energy (LOVE). To balance chakras we use a few different energy techniques. Here is the process:
http://loveenergyworker.com/content/chakra-balancing
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I have never said that theory of the meaning of L.O.V.E. is impossible, I said it was a theory and that it ties in with you hearing time. I clearly hear talent so this discussion is going nowhere. I will stop replying to your posts or disagreeing with you, because you seem to feel offended everytime and I don't have the energy left for this.
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I have never said that theory of the meaning of L.O.V.E. is impossible, I said it was a theory and that it ties in with you hearing time. I clearly hear talent so this discussion is going nowhere. I will stop replying to your posts or disagreeing with you, because you seem to feel offended everytime and I don't have the energy left for this.
Again, I am not offended. You are assuming to know how I feel and you don't even know me at all.
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I always felt there was something about TS and the message/clues that he gave us. It had to be someone who either had a full understanding of what all of this mean or TS is in fact the person creating all of this because I read all of the information that he/she provided on TIAI. It took me a few nights to read it all but I did and it stunned me I could not believe someone who was just a part of this hoax could explain all that with such conviction and thoroughness. Especially with all these quotes from the BiBle. Only one person and one person only could do that and that is the Man himself.
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... =72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
:o :shock: :? :D 8-)
Thanks you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.
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Serenitys_Dream wrote: "And I noticed that Back, TS and Tim Simkins all use the dash extensively in their posts, this is a 'signature'..."
Another "signature" I have noticed with Back, TS, and Tim Simkins is the extensive use of the semicolin in their posts. It's not a very common thing. Not too many people are familiar with how and when to use that particular punctuation.
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Marlon tweeted several new tweets and retweets on the old J5 Twitter account on August 7th. http://twitter.com/alljack5ons (http://twitter.com/alljack5ons) . This is the first activity since Easter. You probably remember the most recent tweet was wishing everyone a happy Easter from the Jackson Family or whatever.
Remember TS said that part of his proof of legitimacy was that the account was untouched to keep "Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 9:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck " the very last tweet on the page??
Here's a link to the update 5-a and which lists redirect 5-5: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726)
TS wrote this on May 12th, 2010:
<snip> 5-5 {5-12} “Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice.”
{http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029}
NOTE: This tweet is the very last one, on the bottom of the ALLJACK5ONS main twitter page (redirect for 5-4). If they tweet once more, it will fall off the bottom of the page (and most “media” will not bother to click “more”, and see previous tweets). Notice that this was tweeted the same day that TIAI Update #4b was posted {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064}; and notice that the “army of LOVE” is only mentioned in Update #4b (not #4a, #4c, or #4d). <snip>
Yeah well scroll down on the J5 Twitter page friends... enough tweets were DELETED to keep "Army of L.O.V.E." still the very last on the page.
Hows about THAT.
:o :shock: :? :D 8-)
Thanks you for the post.
Hi guys, Im a newbie. Nice to join this forum.
Welcome. We are glad you are here.
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also on the YT: talent.
Well I 'm not going to argue as I said I clearly hear Time. On the youtube trailer and the audio clip which I took from that trailer. L.O.V.E. is an acronym for Law Of Vibrational Energy, the power of thought and part of the theory of Quantum Mechanics, so it makes sense to me that "you want to show them Time, like you've never seen before" especially when he says "we only have four years to get it right" later on. Time seems to be relevant in this, not talent, we already know he has that. :lol:
Not sure it matters, considering Back frequently talks about TIME taking a backseat to the mOMENt in the New 7 day tHeOrY.
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I listened to the youtube trailer of TII and while it DID sound a bit like Michael was saying the word "TIME" I have to say that I think he's really saying TALENT. I think it's the WAY he says the word which is misleading ... he seems to make the word sound like one syllable instead of two, if that makes sense ... as is TALNT said very quickly ;)
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I listened to the youtube trailer of TII and while it DID sound a bit like Michael was saying the word "TIME" I have to say that I think he's really saying TALENT. I think it's the WAY he says the word which is misleading ... he seems to make the word sound like one syllable instead of two, if that makes sense ... as is TALNT said very quickly ;)
I slowed the audio clip down a little bit and boosted the vocals so that maybe it can be heard better over the background music. I definitely hear Time there is the "M" sound not the sound of an "L".
I hear: "You wanna show them Time like we've never seen before"
http://www.zshare.net/audio/81024806221bb940/
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I always thought he says "talent" :?
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Just weighing in...... it's "talent". If you want to SEE for yourself watch with subtitles ON
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I always thought he says "talent" :?
Did you listen to the audio clip?
http://www.zshare.net/audio/81024806221bb940/
Just weighing in...... it's "talent". If you want to SEE for yourself watch with subtitles ON
This is a hoax, things aren't always as they may first appear. Did you listen to the audio clip?
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I also hear TALENT.
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@ Serenitys_Dream ... yes I have listened to the audio and I still hear the word TALENT - sorry! You have to take into account Michael's accent ... he does not enunciate the word the way an English person would, he says the word the way an American person would pronounce it. That's how I hear it anyway.
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@ Serenitys_Dream ... yes I have listened to the audio and I still hear the word TALENT - sorry! You have to take into account Michael's accent ... he does not enunciate the word the way an English person would, he says the word the way an American person would pronounce it. That's how I hear it anyway.
well this seriously has me baffled because I am not the only one who hears it as "Time" and so it seems odd to me that some people are hearing "talent" and some people are hearing "time". I seriously have asked 6 people in my real life, all of them said it was "time"(only one was a believer and 2 had no idea that the clip was from TII). So far one person on the other forum also hears "time" and 2 hear "talent". Just very, very strange.
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I also hear TIME but I'm French... :D
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A short note to say that I always heard "talent" and I am still hearing "TALENT"...
With L.O.V.E
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I also hear TIME but I'm French... :D
Before I decide to check my ears or not I wanted to listen again and finally this is well TALENT and not time. This is my last word.
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It is talent but sounds like time because he trails the second syllable. Or maybe it is time but sounds like talent because we have been told it's talent. It was talent when the trailer was playing on TV ads, but now online I can see why people hear "time".
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Sorry, I am American and I hear talent, not time. He does slur them together which can sound like "time". No worries though - I hear different words all the time in his music - only to laugh later when I learn what the real word is :) Blessings.
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When I listen to the audio you gave yes, it sounds a bit like time, but I still think it's talent.
Though my opinion doesn't count, because my english is not very good.
Hi BJ :D
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This is funny... if I listen the audio thinking he says "talent" I hear talent, but if I listen to it thinking he says "time" I hear time
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When I listen to the audio you gave yes, it sounds a bit like time, but I still think it's talent.
Though my opinion doesn't count, because my english is not very good.
Hi BJ :D
When I listened to the audio SD gave, I heard time as well. But in the past when I've watched This Is It, I heard talent. I do speak English and no other language. (unfortunately) Maybe there are different versions? Not sure why? I've learned that anything is possible in this hoax, I guess! 8-)
@GINFELICIA....your opinion does count! Everyone's does!
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Hi guys I listened to it too and I am hearing talent
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Always heard and still hear talent.
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:lol: Talent vs Time...maybe that we should organize an official poll :lol: Michael did you do it on purpose? I'm just kiddin here but well let's just say that talent won the battle over time (Michael's talent :D ) and maybe move on... :)
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Maybe it's like an optical illusion? :D
Like this optical illusion:
(http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/2007/April.May.June/5.29.07.Tax%20Spin/Rabbit%20or%20Duck%20Illusion.jpg)
Some people see a duck, the left side is the beak.
But some people see a rabbit, the left side is a pair of ears!
& some people see both.
:D
Kinda like Earth Song at the grammys, some people heard "what if I live again" some heard "what about death again" and some heard both. ;)
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Maybe it's like an optical illusion? :D
Like this optical illusion:
(http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/2007/April.May.June/5.29.07.Tax%20Spin/Rabbit%20or%20Duck%20Illusion.jpg)
Some people see a duck, the left side is the beak.
But some people see a rabbit, the left side is a pair of ears!
& some people see both.
:D
Kinda like Earth Song at the grammys, some people heard "what if I live again" some heard "what about death again" and some heard both. ;)
Good! I saw a kind of duck immediately but yes it can also be a rabbit! Duck to the left rabbit to the right :lol:
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Maybe it's like an optical illusion? :D
Like this optical illusion:
(http://www.factcheck.org/demos/factcheck/imagefiles/Image/2007/April.May.June/5.29.07.Tax%20Spin/Rabbit%20or%20Duck%20Illusion.jpg)
Some people see a duck, the left side is the beak.
But some people see a rabbit, the left side is a pair of ears!
& some people see both.
:D
Kinda like Earth Song at the grammys, some people heard "what if I live again" some heard "what about death again" and some heard both. ;)
Good! I saw a kind of duck immediately but yes it can also be a rabbit! Duck to the left rabbit to the right :lol:
wonder if most people will always see one or the other while others will always be able to see both at the same time?
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Me? I saw a dodo first then a rabbit! Ducks beaks aren't like that are they??!!
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Help me understand ... let's assume it's indeed Marlon the guy with the redirects, how does this prove in anyway that Mike is alive !?!??!
Please don't tell me about that numerology stuff, I am sorry but if there is something I don't believe, than it's that.
You can make up numbers out of everything, there will ALWAYS be a combination to fit. If you can get along well with numbers, you'll find a way.
And now that the summer is over, and there was no Elvis bum, what's up next?
Do you guys really, and honestly still believe that Mike is alive?
I mean I wish above everything that he would still be with us, but you know ... time is unfortunately telling a different story :(
Have just found this - an interview with Aphrodite Jones (she's also addressing the hoax subject at a certain point) - you better take the time and listen to it. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7851714 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7851714)
And what about Mike's kids being pushed all over the place (take Jermain's last Las Vegas show or whatever it was- for ex) - I really feel so sorry for them already! Sounds to me like "look, MJ's kids are there, let's go see!"
If MJ would be alive, do you really believe he would allow that to happen?
Anyone?
Love
C.
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Candy, all your questions have been answered many many times. Please search the forum.
And to make a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong story short, I undoubtedly, fully, 100% think Mike is still alive.
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Looks like registered members since loooong ago are new posters "out of the blue"....
If MJ would be alive, do you really believe he would allow that to happen?
Ask him.......
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Looks like registered members since loooong ago are new posters "out of the blue"....
Ah, you noticed that too? :|
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Yes, and i think that their questions are a reminder to question ourselves on our beliefs or opinions, just to shake the foundation built in this 15 months.
Fear and doubt mixed with morality and what could be socially accepted is what i see as this quizzes.
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Help me understand ... let's assume it's indeed Marlon the guy with the redirects, how does this prove in anyway that Mike is alive !?!??!
Please don't tell me about that numerology stuff, I am sorry but if there is something I don't believe, than it's that.
You can make up numbers out of everything, there will ALWAYS be a combination to fit. If you can get along well with numbers, you'll find a way.
And now that the summer is over, and there was no Elvis bum, what's up next?
Do you guys really, and honestly still believe that Mike is alive?
I mean I wish above everything that he would still be with us, but you know ... time is unfortunately telling a different story :(
Have just found this - an interview with Aphrodite Jones (she's also addressing the hoax subject at a certain point) - you better take the time and listen to it. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7851714 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7851714)
And what about Mike's kids being pushed all over the place (take Jermain's last Las Vegas show or whatever it was- for ex) - I really feel so sorry for them already! Sounds to me like "look, MJ's kids are there, let's go see!"
If MJ would be alive, do you really believe he would allow that to happen?
Anyone?
Love
C.
Help me understand ... let's assume it's indeed Marlon the guy with the redirects, how does this prove in anyway that Mike is alive !?!??!
Let's assume that it's Marlon...it wouldn't prove that Michael is alive you are right because this is not in what we base our judgement on. It is obvioulsy a good thing that TS' identity is not known. And even...how would we be 100% sure/convinced that it's indeed Marlon in the first place? It's not possible to know that information or there would be no hoax if TS revealed himself publicly...nevertheless we can say that he his legit because of the information he provided and this information proves/consolidates the fact that Michael is still alive. Also, we must not forget what brought us here in the first place. There's a huge amount of inconsistencies to back up the 'MJ is still alive' claim.
Please don't tell me about that numerology stuff, I am sorry but if there is something I don't believe, than it's that.
You can make up numbers out of everything, there will ALWAYS be a combination to fit. If you can get along well with numbers, you'll find a way.
I'm sorry that you've not been able to see the numerology pattern inter-locking the elements of this hoax. The numerology is not just about a set of combination to fit in, it's a little more complicated than that but still comprehensible for common people (not versed into maths). There are still $999 to win if you are interested :D to show us that coincidences can happen frequently.
And now that the summer is over, and there was no Elvis bum, what's up next?
Do you guys really, and honestly still believe that Mike is alive?
Yes summer is over and autumn is here (beautiful season by the way). The Elvis bam is connected to Eliza Presley's case and as you may have read in this forum there is a date set on October if my memory is correct. Delays of the judicial system are not manageable so we have to cope with that. We musn't lose faith Eliza's evidences are strong and DNA is still there. Eliza's case is not a hoax. We just have to be patient.
Yes candy, I stongly believe that Michael is still alive.
Fo the video I'm sorry I don''t feel good right now to correctly understand what is said and it's a little long. Maybe I'll watch later.
And what about Mike's kids being pushed all over the place (take Jermain's last Las Vegas show or whatever it was- for ex) - I really feel so sorry for them already! Sounds to me like "look, MJ's kids are there, let's go see!"
If MJ would be alive, do you really believe he would allow that to happen?
The kids are surrounded by their family, they are well taken care of, no worries to have about that in my opinion. They can perfectly go watch their Uncle doing a performance, I don't see what's wrong with that. Michael's kids are famous kids I think it's difficult to not have paparazzi around them and photos would have been taken even they were just sitting on a bank eating sandwiches...when they are with the family it's like if they were with Michael, and maybe that Michael was there :D .
Keep the faith candy. :)
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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You mean it's testing time again? And Sarahli so ably stepped up to the plate. I guess you never can tell who some of these supposed doubters are.
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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It's the first time I see this. When were they written, do you know?
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Wow too many tweets to answer. Lol. Guess I've been gone too long. I promise I'll be back within days. Study Peace - Mar Mar 6:47 PM Aug 7th via TweetDeck
This tweet reminds me of the new song we were talking about this past week.
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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Reading through those notes again makes me laugh... It always gives me this vision of Michael on a hideaway island! ;)
(http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/cgo/lowres/cgon332l.jpg)
With L.O.V.E
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Yes, and i think that their questions are a reminder to question ourselves on our beliefs or opinions, just to shake the foundation built in this 15 months.
Fear and doubt mixed with morality and what could be socially accepted is what i see as this quizzes.
And what if the "foundation" is based on an illusion?
You know that as long as we want to believe in something, we search for explanations and "clues" that fit within that nice story we have fabricated for ourselves ...
It is a comfortable way for people to cope with a huge loss, but does it help find the truth?
And does it help get justice?
What I am saying is keep an open mind and explore ALL possibilities. The ones that fit within your "image of what happened" and the ones that speak against it ...
Only by objectively analyzing ALL these arguments, you will get closer to the truth.
I don't give a damn about what is "socially accepted", I just happen to be aware that a big "monster" (read corporations mafia) through its payed servants is working hard to manipulate people's minds. And they do ALWAYS cover and feed both "pro" and "against" theories, as in that way, they "have them all" in their pockets.
I hope you do understand what I mean by that, I really do ...
You should honestly ask yourselves a question: do you want justice and the truth (even if what comes out in the end might be extremely painful to accept and will deeply hurt for a long time to come) or you want to be stuck forever in a bubble of illusions?
Is Michael still alive? God help he is - I'd really have no questions to him and would not care as of why this had to happen, I'd just be soooo happy for him and wish him all the best and happiness in the world! And I'd not care at all if the "entertainer" will choose not to make a come back, all I'd care about would be for Michael the man to find his peace and happiness, to be respected and loved for the extraordinary human being he is.
Is he dead? If this is tragically true, I wanna see all those responsible (no matter if their contribution was small or big) cornered, punished, destroyed!
What is what you want?
Focus on finding the truth?
Or waste your life looking for clues ?
Just give it an honest thought ...
Yes, I do believe that doubting and questioning are the ways that will eventually lead us to the truth.
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It is a comfortable way for people to cope with a huge loss, but does it help find the truth?
And does it help get justice?
@Candy - Yes it is indeed a comfortable way for people to cope with a huge lost... However, not everybody is on here to cope with a huge loss! There are plenty of members who are just "everyday people", people like me who were not MJ fans when he died and found the whole "circus" surrounding his death questionable (And I am not talking about the PT Barnum appearance on memorial day!), the inconsistencies, the conflicting stories ...etc just incredible!
I have grown a huge amount of Respect, Admiration and Love for Michael over this past year and based on what my eyes see, my choice is to beLIEve and help him with his undertaking. Showing the World the Man and his message and ridiculing those who persecuted him is indeed Justice!
Would undeniable evidence(s) of his death be put in front of me, I would reconsider my position and indeed fight for Justice in a different way.
enough said...
With L.O.V.E
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....please :D it's not because we are "fans" (definitely this word has to be changed finally, why not "supporter"?) that we are here because we cannot get over Michael's supposed death. Really this is not it and not all the "fans" are here questionning what happened may I remember you. I know what death is and I don't fear death or don't accept it, believe me. Candy you definitely are giving good advises, maybe that we have misinterpreted some things we obviously cannot have it right all along. I join you when you say that finding clues is not necessary anymore, there is an unshakeable truth that I have reached already, it is the fact that Michael is still alive. This is the perspective in which I am looking at things, the murder theory does not make sense to me because it would include the family as 'participants'. Now if it appeared that it was finally all an extra-super-big-giant-dupra-supra very well elaborated illusion I am one who accepts to have been wrong, this is not a problem for me, I only want justice and the truth. But Michael is still, still alive.
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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Err...........but candy really seems to be a "normal" poster. :?
We are not survival food? Are we?
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Yes, and i think that their questions are a reminder to question ourselves on our beliefs or opinions, just to shake the foundation built in this 15 months.
Fear and doubt mixed with morality and what could be socially accepted is what i see as this quizzes.
And what if the "foundation" is based on an illusion?
You know that as long as we want to believe in something, we search for explanations and "clues" that fit within that nice story we have fabricated for ourselves ...
It is a comfortable way for people to cope with a huge loss, but does it help find the truth?
And does it help get justice?
What I am saying is keep an open mind and explore ALL possibilities. The ones that fit within your "image of what happened" and the ones that speak against it ...
Only by objectively analyzing ALL these arguments, you will get closer to the truth.
I see it the same way than you.
I hope you do understand what I mean by that, I really do ...
I do
You should honestly ask yourselves a question: do you want justice and the truth (even if what comes out in the end might be extremely painful to accept and will deeply hurt for a long time to come) or you want to be stuck forever in a bubble of illusions?
Each one will decide the answer to that question when they are prepeared to give it.
What is what you want?
Focus on finding the truth?
Or waste your life looking for clues ?
Different people will have a different approach in order to answer your questions.
What for you is "to waste a life" for others is not.
Just give it an honest thought ...
Have you?
Yes, I do believe that doubting and questioning are the ways that will eventually lead us to the truth.
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As I expressed already ;)
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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Err...........but candy really seems to be a "normal" poster. :?
We are not survival food? Are we?
I wasn't posting this as having anything to do with the member using the screen name "candy" , it was in response to suspicious mind's question. :lol:
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
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Err...........but candy really seems to be a "normal" poster. :?
We are not survival food? Are we?
I wasn't posting this as having anything to do with the member using the screen name "candy" , it was in response to suspicious mind's question. :lol:
Okayy I thought that a link was being implied.... :lol: I feel stupid now :oops:
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Okayy I thought that a link was being implied.... :lol: I feel stupid now :oops:
awww, don't feel stupid. I should have explained my post better, it was easy to misunderstand. We all make mistakes and it's nothing to feel bad about at all.
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I think if there were not so many inconsistencies and the events were a little more plausible and believable then I dont think many of us would have the many doubts in our minds that Michael was dead. It is obvious that something is not right at least many things do not add up. My parents past years ago and I can up to this day tell you where I was what I was doing and exactly what happened. So all we want is to get to the bottom of this and find the truth and right up to now its not leading to the possibility that Michael died on 25/06/09. There are too many different accounts from family members and others as to what happened, what they were doing where they were and also what exactly happened in that house on that day and until then we will continue on this journey. I was not a big fan of Michael I loved his music but as far as his personal life was concerned I hardly knew anything about him. I never met him or been to any of his concerts. Until 25/06/09 I really had little interest or knowledge of what Michael was doing in his life but I was led to read up on him and what happened for some strange reason and I felt compelled to learn about this man and after that I am amazed at this human being I mean truly amazed and I felt the need to fight for him and support him and do whatever in my power to let him know that we care.
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....please :D it's not because we are "fans" (definitely this word has to be changed finally, why not "supporter"?) that we are here because we cannot get over Michael's supposed death. Really this is not it and not all the "fans" are here questionning what happened may I remember you. I know what death is and I don't fear death or don't accept it, believe me. Candy you definitely are giving good advises, maybe that we have misinterpreted some things we obviously cannot have it right all along. I join you when you say that finding clues is not necessary anymore, there is an unshakeable truth that I have reached already, it is the fact that Michael is still alive. This is the perspective in which I am looking at things, the murder theory does not make sense to me because it would include the family as 'participants'. Now if it appeared that it was finally all an extra-super-big-giant-dupra-supra very well elaborated illusion I am one who accepts to have been wrong, this is not a problem for me, I only want justice and the truth. But Michael is still, still alive.
God help you are right ... :-)
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
Okayy I thought that a link was being implied.... :lol: I feel stupid now :oops:
Hi Hi, what do you know actually? :mrgreen:
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anyone remember the list of supplies michael wanted candy to get?
or was it candy that was on the list? :?
Okayy I thought that a link was being implied.... :lol: I feel stupid now :oops:
Hi Hi, what do you know actually? :mrgreen:
Oh nothing I just thought that the candy on Michael's notes was maybe you...crazy thought :lol:
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Oh nothing I just thought that the candy on Michael's notes was maybe you...crazy thought :lol:
Well, now that you brought that into light .... :mrgreen:
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Oh nothing I just thought that the candy on Michael's notes was maybe you...crazy thought :lol:
Well, now that you brought that into light .... :mrgreen:
If you're trying to say you're Candy the errand girl please just say that.
But since you say you don't know if he's alive or not and don't understand TS I'm not sure that it matters except for conversation sake.
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Oh nothing I just thought that the candy on Michael's notes was maybe you...crazy thought :lol:
Well, now that you brought that into light .... :mrgreen:
If you're trying to say you're Candy the errand girl please just say that.
But since you say you don't know if he's alive or not and don't understand TS I'm not sure that it matters except for conversation sake.
Bec (and with all Respect to you Candy) ---> Good point! Candy?
Also, just to add a couple of thoughts I have had for a while about the survival list:
- Genuinely, when looking at the the Candy "survival" list, I wonder whether it is from 1985! It just makes me think of Mike throwing in a joke about preparing his hide away!
- It also crossed my mind that the list may have a significance regarding 2012 (end of an age/end of the World) as TS has written a whole paragraph about it, it must be important! Meaning ---> Mike was already preparing himself for the end of the World in 2012!
...I do keep my straight jacket at hand nowadays, wouldn't spend a day without it!
With L.O.V.E
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TS = Talitha & Samantha?
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Someeeeeeeee!!!!
Today i thought about you! i lost the link to the forum and can´t find it!
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somekindofsign, you're back ! welcome ! :mrgreen:
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Gemaaaa! Paulaaaa!
I´m always here from time to time.
Gema the link is http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org (http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org)
We miss you there and we have interesting new information.
We´ve been talking a lot about Samantha de Gossom lately (and other things as you can guess).
I saw this pic on the Gosson´s album and I thought OMG!
T&S lunch
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade ... 381245758/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthadegosson/3381245758/)
T&T&S
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade ... 380455261/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthadegosson/3380455261/)
All of you google "Michael Jackson fans ucla" to realize that the first pics that went around the world to illustrate the reaction to the "death" are all THEM!
(http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/MJ%20pictures/MJ_2010_fake_sammy_pictures_karen_faye.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/MJ%20pictures/MJ_2010_fake_sammy_Samantha_grieving-1.JPG)
(http://www.michaeljacksonjustice.com/MJ%20pictures/MJ_2010_fake_sammy_Samantha_grieving-2.JPG)
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00108/US_Jackson_35_108353s.jpg)
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/ ... opup&ino=7 (http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/michael-jacksons-body-released-to-his-family-14366514.html?action=Popup&ino=7)
(http://www.nationalpost.com/news/1733222.bin?size=620x465)
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1733275 (http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1733275)
(http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1245978290/527/2539527.jpg)
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/25 ... sons-death (http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/2538700/Fans-mourn-Michael-Jacksons-death)
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/090626/GAL-09Jun26-2228/media/PHO-09Jun26-167280.jpg)
washingtonpost.com
(http://www.x17online.com/images/photo-sets/conv/MJacksonFansCopter0625_X17/MJacksonFansCopter0625_01-full.jpg)
(http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/galleries/jackohospital/AY25665929_440x370.jpg)
http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/pictures ... son-dies/3 (http://www.metro.co.uk/showbiz/pictures/photos-02330/pictures-michael-jackson-dies/3)
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Some :shock:
So funny the pic also shows a TV with the name SONY.
Definately something to look in to :shock:
This is a social experiment, really :shock:
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Gemaaaa! Paulaaaa!
I´m always here from time to time.
Gema the link is http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org (http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org)
We miss you there and we have interesting new information.
Thank you for that link somekindofsign, it is obvious what you talk about there and I promised myself to say goodbye to backstabbers a while ago. Have fun on your own forum, keep backstabbing us if you like, but I say goodbye to you here. Please don't ever come back, not even when you will realize how wrong you have been.
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I had not come to that page, with all due respect there are things that I disagree somekindofsign
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:? well, was not my intention to upset anyone.
I am sorry I asked for the link, I just realized reading Souza´s post that I should have done it via PM. My bad :oops:
My apologies.
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I do not understand that Samantha uses these letters, T & S a way to manipulate?, Here there is much debate about TS and which anyone can enter this forum and read all your post.
She tries to say it's TS :lol: :?
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wth is this?!
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GinaFelicia, looks at the following links and please to say your opinion and you have to understand that it is
http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org (http://michaeljacksondeathhoaxtruth.freeforums.org)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade) ... 381245758/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade (http://www.flickr.com/photos/samanthade) ... 380455261/
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Paula I've just been on that site and I've just saw that video :shock:
My opinion? My head is spinning of too much info and really it's hard to separate the truth from the illusion.I guess I have to trust my feelings on this.
But one thing in that video I agree: we need more love, including here, on this site.
As about the 2 pictures, I can't acces the page right now.
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Now I could see those pictures, it's about how they named them T&S, right?
I am probably stupid, but I don't understand what's with this Samantha. Is she the one who told Kenny Ortega to drop dead because he killed Michael?!As far as I know that lady is one of the This is not it people.
Or I am wrong? I don't know.
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:? well, was not my intention to upset anyone.
I am sorry I asked for the link, I just realized reading Souza´s post that I should have done it via PM. My bad :oops:
My apologies.
It's not the link at all, I am not addressing you and I have no problem with the link. I do have a problem with one of the posts on that forum. Somekindofsign never treated me very nice and respectful, but I allowed it. After reading one of the threads there it's time she spends more time on her own forum and say goodbye to this one.
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
777 days post sabbatical=BAMSDAY! That is very interesting, my friend. I am intrigued by the continuing 7's and the parallels to Elvis throughout it all. In light of this, I have to claim that I sincerely cannot get AUGUST 16, 2011 out of my head!!!!!! After all, it is an important date----as it is the 34th (3+4=7) anniversary of Elvis' death (in 1977, mind you).
Despite the fact that if one literally adds 777 to June 25th we come up about 5 days short from August 16th. However, perhaps, it is a huge oversight on my part?!?!?!?!??! Could it be that June 25th is not our starting point date??????
I am intrigued.......
I am off to rehash my ideas. What do you all think?!?!?!??!??!?!
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I still don't know how BAM's day can be given a specific date as long as Michael said it's in his own time.How can we know it's 777 days after June 2009?
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I still don't know how BAM's day can be given a specific date as long as Michael said it's in his own time.How can we know it's 777 days after June 2009?
We don't know for sure if this is really 777 days after Michael's disappearance. Now BlackJack said something very intelligent ...it is that Michael has to tell us when the BAM will be or half of us and even more will not know and miss it. Michael in order to BAM must in whatever way attract the world's attention, he will not BAM by surprise...because who will notice? Now maybe it's 777 days after "death" but for the moment I don't know where/how it is tied into the numerology (apart from the fact that 777 is a significant number).
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We need to remember that MJ is a master at leaving something to the imagination and he loves the power of mystery. Mystery and timing are central to revelation and are we not slowly having clues revealed to us piece by piece. MJ is a master showman who understands how to leave the audience wanting more (withdrawal from a situation has this effect on people too). Remember the talk surrounding Invincible... "It's like a fever, they're waiting - it's important to wait - to appreciate talent and ability". All will be revealed in his good time, things are in motion now, things that have been planned out for a long time, the numbers support this. We are on a mysterious roller coaster of MJ's own construction :"the guy who creates the roller coaster is a real showman because he understands syncopation and rhythm and structure. That's real important as an artist of showbusiness".
BAMSDAY = 777 days after the withdrawal/disappearance. We are over halfway there, be patient and beLIEve, it's simmering!!
I jumped in my car this afternoon to run some errands. For once there was no music playing (all MJs CDs have been on rotation in my car since June 2009 after I made a pact to listen to him exclusively for one year of 'mourning' (not hard to do as there are SOOOO many great songs it's impossible to get bored and I only drive about 3 times a week) but long past the 12 month anniversary, I'm still loving and listening to MJ's beat as I drive around town. Except for today. Today I turned the radio on instead, no idea why, but the music annoyed me so much after surfing through all the channels, I switched to a news channel. Which led me to ponder about MJ - and the thought popped into my head what would it be like to be driving along listening to the radio and suddenly hear a breaking news bulletin that Michael Jackson was not dead and was hosting a press conference somewhere in the world and blah blah blah.... :o :shock: (how many of you would slam straight into a lamp post?)
I thought (not for the first time) how utterly absurd and ludicrous it is to think that MJ hoaxed his death and is alive out there somewhere waiting to make his return. Whenever I yank my head out of the rabbit hole and think like a normal, rational, clear-headed gal, instead of a beLIEver imagining all sorts of possibilities and colourful scenarios of a BAMSDAY - in the cold harsh light of day I sometimes say to myself "there is just NO way on God's earth it's gonna happen baby, he's dead and to think he's hoaxed it and one day we'll see him Moonwalk in and out of a press conference is madness, so stop this insanity and find something else to capture your imagination". Which is what I did today. Then I shook my head, tut tutted, and switched the radio station back to a music channel in exasperation and turned the sound up.
And guess what song was playing? :lol: Hee hee, I had to laugh, it amused the hell out of me. :lol: Made me think of BlackJack's post about TIMING and 777 Days to BAMSDAY, LSW's videos about TIME - tic toc, tic toc - et al! I love the way the universe works in mysterious ways and promptly popped my head BACK into the comfort of the rabbit hole to Keep Watchin' for the TIME being... Shamone!
Enjoy the song guys! ;)
[youtube:1fzt56lu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmRG0Y5N8lg[/youtube:1fzt56lu]
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Thanks FrenchBraid I enjoyed reading your post.
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:D
I feel confident now to tell what happened yesterday to me :)
I never watch TV, it is very rare i do,but yesterday while taking breakfast I turned on the TV and the 1st thing that popped up was a set of videos in a chain, just the main part of the songs :lol: The ones I remember: 1st one Thriller, I wanna dance with somebody, I just can´t get enough,and more similar ones, the end one was The final countdown :lol:
I turned off the TV :lol: and pinched myself to make sure I was not sleeping.
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My feeling is that thousands of us can't be losing our minds!
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I think that goes on observation.
We can be people who can´t accept MJ´s passing but we can also be people who can´t accept what media have said up to now about this case ;)
The dilema is that even if MJ was human, he was also a very intriguing intelligent man and a great entertainer. It can sound morbid, but I am not surprised that he would do something like this :twisted:
I still believe that he is alive, and if at the end i am wrong, then, I could not do anything on the way to see it in other way around. I´ll learn from it, and I will apologize to my family and friends who think I lost it completely :D
It is not easy to stand up and say that he is alive when his family have been on tv attending to a memorial and funeral and Jermaine have been telling Larry King that "Michael" is inside the mausoleum at Forest Lawn, but....unless things turns different for me to change my mind.....up to today I can´t "admit" that he is gone.
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FrenchBird great post.Indeed the believers see clues in a glass of water :lol: or in a song on the radio at the right moment.
Look what made my day about a month ago.
I was in my office and I was listening the famous Dave Dave interview with Larry King. Dave Dave was speaking when someone came in and, hearing Dave, asked me:
"Is that Michael Jackson?"
You can only imagine my face when I heard this :shock: .
That person has nothing to do with the hoax.
I said no, it's not Michael Jackson, it's a friend of him :D
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You'll never believe what happened to me after I entered this discussion. Shortly after commenting on Gema's post, I left to teach a lesson. I thought to myself--I hope Michael gives me a sign!!!!
Before I started my lesson, I decided to pick up a few things at the small supermarket located near the appointment (this is in Rome, Italy). As I entered, I heard Michael's angelic voice singing, "You Are Not Alone"!!! I couldn't believe my ears. I had been believing a bit discouraged. Now my faith has been restored--not just about "believing", but about other things too.
Thank you all.
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You'll never believe what happened to me after I entered this discussion. Shortly after commenting on Gema's post, I left to teach a lesson. I thought to myself--I hope Michael gives me a sign!!!!
Before I started my lesson, I decided to pick up a few things at the small supermarket located near the appointment (this is in Rome, Italy). As I entered, I heard Michael's angelic voice singing, "You Are Not Alone"!!! I couldn't believe my ears. I had been believing a bit discouraged. Now my faith has been restored--not just about "believing", but about other things too.
Thank you all.
That is great! That has happened to me many times. And now that I think of it, it always seems to be THAT song... hmmmm... :) ;)
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I thought it was all the more significant because I live in a non-English speaking country. So the chances of that particular song coming on were pretty slim. We're doing something right!!!!
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NO OFFENCE INTENDED .... but ....
Numerology, that is.
Without judging anyone I`d just like to recommend to educate yourselves on statistics.
Like Walter Krämer`s books "Statistik verstehen", "So überzeugt man mit Statistik" and "So lügt man mit Statistik" (sorry these are only in german but I am certain there are similar publications in other languages out there as well).
You will learn that you can "prove" almost everything by "calculation" of numbers.
Remember, there are only eight numbers in total (1-9).
And how many ways to calculate?
- to add
- to subtract
- to multiply
- to divide
- to make a checksum
these are five already (remember!)
AND to look for BIBLE QUOTATIONS (there`s no way NOT to fin d something matching).
AND to combine each of them to each other ....
Therefore you have got seven possibilities to deal with every date and number (out of hundreds you`ll find in every person`s life).
So how sigfnificant are T.S.`s "findings"?
And, sorry, the BURDEN OF PROOF is incumbent on the one who STATES/CLAIMES something, not on the one who doubts.
P:S: T.S. should turn an honest penny at me .... for fair meta-level-debunking ...
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Remember, there are only eight numbers in total (1-9).
Like I said in the other thread, that is only true if we would have only single-digit numbers here, but we have 2-, 3- and 4-digit numbers as well.
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Well, and just as I said on the other thread ....
... with two or three digit numbers the probabiity to match SOMETHING just increases exponentially (because calculating or scaling numbers up and down for several-digit-numbers is even easier ...).
No offence intended.
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Well, and just as I said on the other thread ....
... with two or three digit numbers the probabiity to match SOMETHING just increases exponentially (because calculating or scaling numbers up and down for several-digit-numbers is even easier ...).
No offence intended.
None taken, I just don't get how you can say that the numbers will match something, since they are very well calculated and planned, and not multiplied by 34, then 985 added and 473 extracted if you get what I mean. Maybe you could do the same as I did, calculate the chance of coincidence and show what you mean?
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By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
Hiya stranger :lol: :lol: :lol:
This site is more and more FUN every single day
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By reading your post I sadly have to conclude that even the man's fans are still not able to examine his true message.The profound information this member called TS shared with all of you is quite the opposite of brainwashing. Michael's goal in life has always been to awaken the world and bring awareness to those that do not yet have the knowledge of who is actually pulling the strings and what was ever true in our world, and his. He is not underestimating the intelligence of you all, he is challenging you all to do something with your intelligence and increase your knowledge. I see no emotional blackmail or brainwashing tacticts used in these valuable and informative posts, because that is not what your beloved Michael is about. I know whereof I speak.
JB
1998^V/7
Hiya stranger :lol: :lol: :lol:
This site is more and more FUN every single day
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ROFL I know why I'm laughing, I'm just surprised you laugh too :? :shock:
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ROFL I know why I'm laughing, I'm just surprised you laugh too :? :shock:
Gina...you probably think (or know) that Josephine Baker is Blackjack. She may very well be, but I have a different theory.
Josephine Baker signed up a few hours after Souza said I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
In response to Blackjacks's first post.
So, my theory is that Josephine Baker=Souza. Again, my theory. She only posted twice on that same day and has never signed in again.
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Here's a link to that thread if anyone wants to read it......
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13541&start=250
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ROFL I know why I'm laughing, I'm just surprised you laugh too :? :shock:
Gina...you probably think (or know) that Josephine Baker is Blackjack. She may very well be, but I have a different theory.
Josephine Baker signed up a few hours after Souza said I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
In response to Blackjacks's first post.
So, my theory is that Josephine Baker=Souza. Again, my theory. She only posted twice on that same day and has never signed in again.
LOL, I am surprised it took that long because it was way too obvious after what I posted earlier. It didn't have the effect I expected at all (which is a good thing btw). Before people think I have dozens other accounts: not true, this was the only one but totally forgot about it until now.
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ROFL I know why I'm laughing, I'm just surprised you laugh too :? :shock:
Gina...you probably think (or know) that Josephine Baker is Blackjack. She may very well be, but I have a different theory.
Josephine Baker signed up a few hours after Souza said I am simply (again) baffled that a poster, one with 1 post, can post something, a date in this case, and people thing he is actually right, because he presents it as truth. I just don't get that.
And I do think MJ has planned his return day and will tell no one, because he wants to surprise people, us included. That is why I say he wouldn't just let someone post his date. And I bet that if I register a new username, I can make some of the people here believe I am an insider as well.
In response to Blackjacks's first post.
So, my theory is that Josephine Baker=Souza. Again, my theory. She only posted twice on that same day and has never signed in again.
LOL, I am surprised it took that long because it was way too obvious after what I posted earlier. It didn't have the effect I expected at all (which is a good thing btw). Before people think I have dozens other accounts: not true, this was the only one but totally forgot about it until now.
And you think I never saw this and made the connection :lol: :lol: :lol: ?
Oh people please ..... when I saw Souza's post I suspected right away she would make the experiment.....But how could I validate the suspicion?! I had to know if it's Souza or the other ....I am a bit surprised she admitted like it's nothing, playing with the members......I bet Souza knows much much more than we know, she even knows who TS and BlackJack are and why she plays fighting with Mo.....That's very funny what's going on and please believe me when I say....... I don't know the rules of your games yet but I think in time it's all gonna come out :D
What kind of "entertainement" is going on here !!
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Of course, Souza could be "playing" again in her last post ....
surprises surprises everywhere on this site.....
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Of course, Souza could be "playing" again in her last post ....
surprises surprises everywhere on this site.....
Well, I don't know about you, Gina, but I don't like being played. Hopefully, in the end, those that are "playing" with us, are playing for the right team.
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Of course, Souza could be "playing" again in her last post ....
surprises surprises everywhere on this site.....
Well, I don't know about you, Gina, but I don't like being played. Hopefully, in the end, those that are "playing" with us, are playing for the right team.
Well said, anewfan. I don't appreciate being played either because it's distracting us from investigating the truth. It's also making us look pretty silly to people who come on here for the first time.
Blessings.
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Of course, Souza could be "playing" again in her last post ....
surprises surprises everywhere on this site.....
Well, I don't know about you, Gina, but I don't like being played. Hopefully, in the end, those that are "playing" with us, are playing for the right team.
Well said, anewfan. I don't appreciate being played either because it's distracting us from investigating the truth. It's also making us look pretty silly to people who come on here for the first time.
Blessings.
I remember the Josephine Baker "night" very well because I was out at the theatre when it happened and on my way back home, a few meters from my front door, I came across this "unusual looking" person who was dressed in a Josephine Baker way with stockings, boots "she" struggled to walk with and an all broken umbrella "she" was keeping in front of "her" face so that I could not see it. I was so amazed that I even stopped in the middle of the street to look at "her", she was so surreal... when I checked the forum later that evening I saw the JB thread...and I laughed! I wonder if it was Souza going down my street this evening! :lol: :lol: :lol: It may be a reality show!
It must be all for Love!
With L.O.V.E
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All I know is that I want BlackJack back. Most of his posts were as interesting as TS' posts to me.
I have a feeling he is not going to come back anymore. But I hope I am wrong.
I am very sad and dissapointed.
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All I know is that I want BlackJack back. Most of his posts were as interesting as TS' posts to me.
I have a feeling he is not going to come back anymore. But I hope I am wrong.
I am very sad and dissapointed.
what did i miss about blackjack while i was gone?
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All I know is that I want BlackJack back. Most of his posts were as interesting as TS' posts to me.
I have a feeling he is not going to come back anymore. But I hope I am wrong.
I am very sad and dissapointed.
what did i miss about blackjack while i was gone?
Souza locked his Hoax within a hoax thread because she thought it went off-topic.
And BJ made some unusual statements on that thread.
Like this one:
"Yes ................. it's the MJ life simulator..........it's a rocky ride isn't it"
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heading to check it out
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can someone please xplain to me about this, im not sure i understand it fully...
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Gina, this thread is called "Strong Evidence of TS's Authenticity", pleas stay on topic.
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Gina, this thread is called "Strong Evidence of TS's Authenticity", pleas stay on topic.
Will you close this one too?
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Gina, this thread is called "Strong Evidence of TS's Authenticity", pleas stay on topic.
Will you close this one too?
No, I want you to stay on topic. If you want to contact BlackJack, you can PM him or post in his other thread.
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
What do you want explained? :)
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
What do you want explained? :)
Hey,thank you!
i am not understanding why this TS guy is authentic, i read it about 5 times already and still dont understand what this BEC woman is saying, i eve nfollowed the directions, but all i got was MOUNTAINS :(
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
What do you want explained? :)
Hey,thank you!
i am not understanding why this TS guy is authentic, i read it about 5 times already and still dont understand what this BEC woman is saying, i eve nfollowed the directions, but all i got was MOUNTAINS :(
Well TS has posts he/she writes that are about numerology which is like Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0)) and he/she gives $999 if you debunk the numerology so so far as I can see no one has (but this is not the basis of people thinking TS is authentic). He/she gives us a post every so often and the recent one was TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS?? (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0)) stuff about Elvis/Jesse, numerology and all that stuff.
Its your own opinion of you think TS authentic, some think not, some think TS is someone who has inside info and is authentic, but time will tell.
There is so much but this is a very very shortened version, hope this helped.
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
What do you want explained? :)
Hey,thank you!
i am not understanding why this TS guy is authentic, i read it about 5 times already and still dont understand what this BEC woman is saying, i eve nfollowed the directions, but all i got was MOUNTAINS :(
Well TS has posts he/she writes that are about numerology which is like Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0)) and he/she gives $999 if you debunk the numerology so so far as I can see no one has (but this is not the basis of people thinking TS is authentic). He/she gives us a post every so often and the recent one was TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS?? (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0)) stuff about Elvis/Jesse, numerology and all that stuff.
Its your own opinion of you think TS authentic, some think not, some think TS is someone who has inside info and is authentic, but time will tell.
There is so much but this is a very very shortened version.
yea i was asking about BEC evidence and what she is trying to say, but i guess your answer is good also..lol,thank you anyway!
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so i am guessing no one will explain to me what this is about,ok!, but i would love to know,thank you, i am kind of new here so its hard to jump into something without knowing, but i would love a sum up of what this about...
What do you want explained? :)
Hey,thank you!
i am not understanding why this TS guy is authentic, i read it about 5 times already and still dont understand what this BEC woman is saying, i eve nfollowed the directions, but all i got was MOUNTAINS :(
Well TS has posts he/she writes that are about numerology which is like Silencing the Critics, And $999 REwarD??? You bET (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14058&start=0)) and he/she gives $999 if you debunk the numerology so so far as I can see no one has (but this is not the basis of people thinking TS is authentic). He/she gives us a post every so often and the recent one was TIai update #6.5: Michael & Elvis, DOUBle-scam from TS?? (viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=16148&start=0)) stuff about Elvis/Jesse, numerology and all that stuff.
Its your own opinion of you think TS authentic, some think not, some think TS is someone who has inside info and is authentic, but time will tell.
There is so much but this is a very very shortened version.
yea i was asking about BEC evidence and what she is trying to say, but i guess your answer is good also..lol,thank you anyway!
Sorry I don't remember Bec's posts. :)
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[youtube:3g0yjj29]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed0dqjjihH4[/youtube:3g0yjj29]
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Peace ;)
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What do you mean I'm convinced? To stop tripping on TS ?
I LOVE the song BTW......
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Gina, someone adviced you a few days ago to take a break, and I second that advice. you seem like you are losing ground and not thinking coherently. it almost scares to me to see such reactions when you've been showed some undeniable facts. take a break and relax far away from all this a few days. it's really the impression you give me and I think that not only to me
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To be frankly straight, all I can say is that only YOU can separate the fake from the truth. And you can be fooled only if YOU allow that. Unfortunately some people do allow to be fooled because of the urge to know the things, no matter if that person could be a faker and a bad intentioned person. I notice with horror that some people prefere to live in a fantasy created by their own imagination about someone. I am not talking about Michael.
After such a long time to me it's surprising that some people just want to be lied just because they like what they hear/read, no matter if it's not real. There is a saying I use- truth is beautiful, no doubt, but so are lies. If you want to continue to be lied then it's your choice. Also, there is one category of people whom I call "kamikaze". You cannot stop kamikaze people from suicide.
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Can we get back on topic please guys?
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Anna/Tarja thank you for your concern but please STAY TO THE TOPIC :lol:
Don't want to make Souza angry and lock this thread too :twisted:
Because locking threads seems to be her hobby lately.
Sorry Souza ... I respect you very much but I just can't agree with what you do lately. If you continue this way I;ll come here one day and find all the threads locked and I will be very sad..... I don't want to lose this site.
Have a nice day everyone.
Oh, and I love you all.
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Anna/Tarja thank you for your concern but please STAY TO THE TOPIC :lol:
Don't want to make Souza angry and lock this thread too :twisted:
Because locking threads seems to be her hobby lately.
Sorry Souza ... I respect you very much but I just can't agree with what you do lately.
Have a nice day everyone.
Interesting. I must disagree. In fact, maybe more threads should be locked. Actually, it seems to me that some people have provocation as their hobby.
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Sorry Chloe....I hope you are not talking about me... I'm out of here as I feel I am off topic.
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Sorry Chloe....I hope you are not talking about me... I'm out of here as I feel I am off topic.
I'm talking generally. I simply think Souza had good reasons to lock those threads. And for the sake of the whole forum it would be wise not to discuss this issue anymore and focus on the hoax instead.
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I focus on the hoax every day.
I just don't know which Hoax to focus on any more
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Edit: Please ON topic GUYS ;)
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I agree, too much BlackJack overspill on this thread, which is just going to start the arguments again. Can we have a No BlackJack zone here? ;)
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Yes we can, why not?
Go ahead, to the topic. If someone has something to say about the topic .......
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To the topic.
TS is supossed tobe authentic but still i did not get my question answered. So here I come again my my broken record ¿How does TS predict the events related to MJ? (and no, i don´t buy numerology and biblic quotes)
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That's kinda the million dollar question isn't it Gema?
We all want to know!
TS... how you know so much?
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I never thought I could be this curious :lol: but I admit it, I would really like to close that chapter and move on :lol:
TS knows because:
- Chance, stats and gut feeling a posteriori
- Numerology and Biblic quotes are that accurate and custom made to fit in to this kind of hoax
- Works for/ with Sony a PR company
- Had/ has MJ related material that he/ she sells and knows when it will be promoted
- TS does not exist and it is just a product of my imagination
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I never thought I could be this curious :lol: but I admit it, I would really like to close that chapter and move on :lol:
TS knows because:
- Chance, stats and gut feeling a posteriori
- Numerology and Biblic quotes are that accurate and custom made to fit in to this kind of hoax
- Works for/ with Sony a PR company
- Had/ has MJ related material that he/ she sells and knows when it will be promoted
- TS does not exist and it is just a product of my imagination
Or TS just knows...
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I never thought I could be this curious :lol: but I admit it, I would really like to close that chapter and move on :lol:
TS knows because:
- Chance, stats and gut feeling a posteriori
- Numerology and Biblic quotes are that accurate and custom made to fit in to this kind of hoax
- Works for/ with Sony a PR company
- Had/ has MJ related material that he/ she sells and knows when it will be promoted
- TS does not exist and it is just a product of my imagination
Or TS just knows...
But just knows is not enough. How does TS know? how come? what is her/ his relation to and with MJ´s business to "just knowing" and not only that, TS followed Eliza´s case as well.
TS i the MJ hoax version of wikileaks :lol:
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How does TS know? how come? what is her/ his relation to and with MJ´s business to "just knowing".
That's the question. And we can't answer it, only TS can. We can speculate, but I'm afraid that's about it.
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TS made some lucky guesses and a lot of common sense observations.
There were others who made lucky guesses as well and nobody thought they were insiders.
Unless of course TS is MJ and those weren't lucky guesses
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I am very skeptical. I watched the videos and read some of the TS´s posts carefully.
I can´t see the "lucky guess". The "guesses" are premeditated and too elaborated to be just guesses, imo.
May be I am missing info and that is why I am a little surprised to see that events "guessed" by TS at the end ended up in a TMZ article or in a MJ´s world news.
To be just a member it seems that is very informed about some things. I can´t help but wonder how come.
Researches has been made here, many, connecting the dots and I am still waiting for an answer from TS. He/ she is a member here an by now must know that some of us still are waiting for answers.
There was an "informer" from Italy called Bow who answered people´s questions, but her predictions were not as accurate.
How come that so many informers have been there already? Leachims, Bows, working friends, Lovers.....but only TS among them uses religious references, and this is something that kept my attention as well.
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TS has an authenticity stamp on him
(http://www.celeb2nds.com/Images/AuthenticityGuaranteed-stamp.gif)
... that's why...
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin :twisted: unless of course the last one is not Michael as well :roll:
Oh, Gema, you forgot Cassandra GS :mrgreen:
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TS has an authenticity stamp on him
(http://www.celeb2nds.com/Images/AuthenticityGuaranteed-stamp.gif)
... that's why...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin :twisted: unless of course the last one is not Michael as well :roll:
Oh, Gema, you forgot Cassandra GS :mrgreen:
Tim simkin can be the psychotherapist or the man behind Study, in any case, the person behind TS knows more than average and that is what I want to know..how come, not who he is.
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin :twisted: unless of course the last one is not Michael as well :roll:
Oh, Gema, you forgot Cassandra GS :mrgreen:
Tim simkin can be the psychotherapist or the man behind Study, in any case, the person behind TS knows more than average and that is what I want to know..how come, not who he is.
TS cannot divulge that information for the moment. We will know these things in due time. For the moment we must keep watching and digest the information. Tim Simkin said something that is highly interesting for me. It is about (supposedly) IDK if it is true... but he said that he had secrets about the Bible that very few people know about... I feel like it's true I always told myself that there must be information in the Bible to be unveiled at the right time. I feel like it is connected with this hoax or why the Bible redirects? Well I just FEEL that's the problem :D
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin :twisted: unless of course the last one is not Michael as well :roll:
Oh, Gema, you forgot Cassandra GS :mrgreen:
Tim simkin can be the psychotherapist or the man behind Study, in any case, the person behind TS knows more than average and that is what I want to know..how come, not who he is.
Between "how comes" and "who he is" there is a strong connection :mrgreen:
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Maybe we need a revision of TS' "lucky guesses"
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Maybe we need a revision of TS' "lucky guesses"
Do you know that TS posted His first post under the name STUDY on the 9th July 2009, exactly 9 weeks (63 days - inclusive reckoning - 9x7) from the 9th September 2009 (9-9-9). A lot of 9's isn't it!
Lets start the "lucky guesses" list, shall we?
The suicide of Evan Chandler was reported on November 17 2009, which was also the 70th anniversary one night showing of “The Wizard of Oz”.
TS redirected the night before, and pointed to a Wikipedia photo with the Yellow Brick road and Emerald City behind. And to quote TS: "This photo came from the Emerald City page on Wikipedia, not the Wizard of Oz page {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City}. What are the odds that the E-van C-handler news came out on this same day, and had the same initials as E-merald C-ity, all by coincidence?"
The news of the Death of Evan Chandler was exactly 21 days (Inclusive reckoning - 777) after the release of This Is It on the Big screens (28th October 2009)
With L.O.V.E
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Gema has heard of some "filtering" of Wikileaks over TS :?: :lol:
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Maybe we need a revision of TS' "lucky guesses"
Do you know that TS posted His first post under the name STUDY on the 9th July 2009, exactly 9 weeks (63 days - inclusive reckoning - 9x7) from the 9th September 2009 (9-9-9). A lot of 9's isn't it!
and 63 days is 70-7 days or 9/10th of the way through a 70 day period or 9 weeks. Or 14 days into the hoax or 1/5th of the way into the first 70 days cycle.
Lets start the "lucky guesses" list, shall we?
The suicide of Evan Chandler was reported on November 17 2009, which was also the 70th anniversary one night showing of “The Wizard of Oz”.
TS redirected the night before, and pointed to a Wikipedia photo with the Yellow Brick road and Emerald City behind. And to quote TS: "This photo came from the Emerald City page on Wikipedia, not the Wizard of Oz page {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City}. What are the odds that the E-van C-handler news came out on this same day, and had the same initials as E-merald C-ity, all by coincidence?"
The news of the Death of Evan Chandler was exactly 21 days (Inclusive reckoning - 777) after the release of This Is It on the Big screens (28th October 2009)
And 77 days from the burial. And 7 days into the 3rd 70 day period. And 7 days after the end of TII's 2 week run.
With L.O.V.E
The whole Evan Chandler "prediction" is... eery.
Also noted, that so many things with TS fit the 70 day cycle.
I always wonder why TS doesn't ever mention the 70 day thing other then between death and burial and really he focuses more on the 77 days to 9/9/09 then the 70 day repeating cycle. There's so many more dates that match up to the 70 day cycle, there seems to be a pattern. He talks about other dates and significant timings of things and never once brings this up.
Ps. I should also mention that if you use TS inclusive reckoning, the 70 day cycle count inclusive to 71 day cycles. The reason I don't call it the 71 day cycle is because for tracking purposes I am counting out long strings of calendar days (June 25, 09-Sep 3,09... Sep 3, 09-Nov 12,09... etc) and when adding blocks of sequential days together, inclusive reckoning isn't accurate. BUT, when referring to each period individually, calling them 71 day blocks inclusive would be accurate.
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Yes Evan Chandler died on the 5th of November (maybe TS could count what were the chances in a million for this to happen by accident :shock:, of Evan Chandler planned his suicide as part of the hoax :roll: ) and the news became public on the 17th of November. The redirect from the 5th of November couldn't possibly be related to EC's suicide.
Yes the 2012 redirect means something, I admit.
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I just found this :
http://this-is-al-most-it.blogspot.com/ ... l?spref=tw (http://this-is-al-most-it.blogspot.com/2010/12/explanation.html?spref=tw)
What do you think about it?
Hugs to you all
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Maybe we need a revision of TS' "lucky guesses"
Do you know that TS posted His first post under the name STUDY on the 9th July 2009, exactly 9 weeks (63 days - inclusive reckoning - 9x7) from the 9th September 2009 (9-9-9). A lot of 9's isn't it!
Lets start the "lucky guesses" list, shall we?
The suicide of Evan Chandler was reported on November 17 2009, which was also the 70th anniversary one night showing of “The Wizard of Oz”.
TS redirected the night before, and pointed to a Wikipedia photo with the Yellow Brick road and Emerald City behind. And to quote TS: "This photo came from the Emerald City page on Wikipedia, not the Wizard of Oz page {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City}. What are the odds that the E-van C-handler news came out on this same day, and had the same initials as E-merald C-ity, all by coincidence?"
The news of the Death of Evan Chandler was exactly 21 days (Inclusive reckoning - 777) after the release of This Is It on the Big screens (28th October 2009)
With L.O.V.E
Yes, I remember that, and I remember at the time thinking how could he know in advance Evan Chandler would die, with all the match-ups. At the time I had creepy feelings of murder or God directed suicide. I still don't know what to make of it.
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin
Does Tim Simkins even exist?
Is he a real, living, breathing, person?
Is there any evidence that this man actually exists?
Or is the name a pseudonym, a fictitious name, a disguise for someone else?
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin
Does Tim Simkins even exist?
Is he a real, living, breathing, person?
Is there any evidence that this man actually exists?
Or is the name a pseudonym, a fictitious name, a disguise for someone else?
How on earth should I know this?!
Of course you believe TS is a fictional character and he is in fact MJ or a person who works for him....?
If the world population would be counted by the number of accounts on the internet I guess we are more than 7 billions....
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Of course, religion..... Michael IS about religion.
Michael reads the Bible daily. But oooops.....so does Tim Simkin
Does Tim Simkins even exist?
Is he a real, living, breathing, person?
Is there any evidence that this man actually exists?
Or is the name a pseudonym, a fictitious name, a disguise for someone else?
How on earth should I know this?!
Of course you believe TS is a fictional character and he is in fact MJ or a person who works for him....?
If the world population would be counted by the number of accounts on the internet I guess we are more than 7 billions....
I called the number on the website hoping to speak with someone about STUDY. The number is not in service.
http://www.s-t-u-d-y.org/1Introductory.pdf
But look at the numbers: 888 999 7883 = 77
3, 7, 8, 9
888
Symbolism
* The Christ, the resurrection, the baptism.
* Symbol of the Redemption.
* By its composition, this number is considered as perfect.
MORE: http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu888.php
999
Symbolism
* The justice, the truth.
The number 999 is the reverse of 666, the number of the Beast of the Revelation (Apocalypse). This arithmetical strangeness demonstrates that the "power" of the Beast, 666, will be "reversed" by 153, characteristic number of the Christ, to give as result 999, symbol of the application of the divine justice. Thus Satan will be chained for 1000 years, 999 + 1.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu999.php
The mailing address:
P.O. Box 4129 / Wenatchee, WA 98807-4129
4129 = 16 = 7
98807-4129 = 48 = 3 but it could also be 16, 16, 16 or 777
Or do it this way: 4129 = 16 = 7 & 98807-4129 = 48 = 3
which could be 3x7 or three 7's = 777
Wenatchee
The name is a Salish word that means "river which comes [or whose source is] from canyons" or "robe of the rainbow." Awenatchela means "people at the source".
Wenatchee is known as the "Apple Capital of the World" due to the valley's many orchards. The city is also sometimes referred to as the "Buckle of the Power Belt of the Great Northwest." The "Power Belt of the Great Northwest" is a metaphor for the series of hydroelectric dams on the Columbia River. Rock Island Dam is located nearest to the middle of this "belt", and so was labelled the "Buckle".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee
Rainbow
Rainbows a symbols of heavenly glory, and of celestial wonder. They serve as a bridge between earth and paradise. The colors of the rainbow reflect its divine qualities.
http://symbolism.wikia.com/wiki/Rainbow
Genesis 9:12-16 (King James Version)
12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%209:12-16&version=KJV
Rainbow Robe
Coat of many colors (technocolor robe)
Genesis 37:3 (King James Version)
3 Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age: and he made him a coat of many colours.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=gen%2037:3&version=KJV
Joseph's father Jacob favored him and gave Joseph the coat as a gift; as a result, he was envied by his brothers, who saw the special coat as an indication that Joseph would assume family leadership. His brothers' suspicion grew when Joseph told them of his two dreams (Genesis 37:11) in which all the brothers bowed down to him. The narrative tells that his brothers plotted against him when he was 17, and would have killed him had not the eldest brother Reuben interposed. He persuaded them instead to throw Joseph into a pit and secretly planned to rescue him later. However, while Reuben was absent, the others planned to sell him to a company of Ishmaelite merchants. When the passing Midianites arrived, the brothers dragged Joseph up and sold him to the merchants for 20 pieces of silver. The brothers then dipped Joseph's coat in goat blood and showed it to their father, saying that Joseph had been torn apart by wild beasts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_many_colors
Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat
Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat is the second British musical theatre show written by the team of Andrew Lloyd Webber and Tim Rice. Its predecessor, The Likes of Us, was not performed until 2005. Based on the "coat of many colors" story of Joseph from the Hebrew Bible's Book of Genesis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_and_the_Amazing_Technicolor_Dreamcoat
Andrew Lloyd Webber
The Phantom of the Opera (1986)
Love Never Dies (2010)
The Wizard of Oz (2011)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lloyd_Webber
When I put this address into google maps I get the street "Highland"
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=5YS&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=s&q=P.O.+Box+4129+/+Wenatchee,+WA+98807-4129&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Wenatchee,+WA+98807,+USA&gl=ca&ei=8sMPTbAXicawA5mDtaIC&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ8gEwAA
Searching for "Highland" and Michael Jackson brings up the Kodak Theatre which is located at "Hollywood and Highland" and owned by the CIM Group and the new Hard Rock Cafe.
Hard Rock Cafe
And in July 2010, a new Hard Rock Cafe opened at Hollywood & Highland - right on Hollywood Blvd, tucked between the Kodak Theatre and Grauman's Chinese. (How's that for a choice spot?) It's 20,000 square feet, and seats 400 diners. As with all Hard Rock Cafes, it features celebrity memorabilia, including items from Michael Jackson, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison’s, Katy Perry and the Black-Eyed Peas, just to name a few. But this branch also features some cutting edge technology (such as an interactive media wall) you'll have to see to believe.
http://www.seeing-stars.com/landmarks/HollywoodAndHighland.shtml
The Kodak Theatre
http://www.kodaktheatre.com/profile.htm
The Kodak Theatre is a live theatre in the Hollywood and Highland retail, dining, and entertainment complex on Hollywood Boulevard and North Highland Avenue in the Hollywood district of Los Angeles.
Owner: CIM Group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodak_Theatre
Hollywood stars align for Cirque du Soleil's Guy Laliberte
By Reed Johnson, December 5, 2010
With 'Iris' set for a summer debut at Kodak Theatre and a New York production in the works, Cirque creator Laliberté has cemented his influence worldwide. Not bad for a one-time street performer.
...On July 21, the Montreal-based Cirque will pull the drapes off its latest high-flying extravaganza, the Hollywood-themed "Iris." The new show has a 10-year contract to perform at the Kodak Theatre in the Hollywood & Highland Center, which annually hosts the Academy Awards ceremony but has had trouble filling its cavernous 3,400-seat enclosure year-round.
Written and directed by French dancer-choreographer Philippe Decouflé, who staged the opening and closing ceremonies of the 1992 Winter Olympics, with music by Danny Elfman, "Iris" is shaping up both as a valentine to the movie industry and a mash note to the city that, perhaps more than any outside Canada, has put Cirque's blue- and gold-striped tent on the global map. Over the years, Laliberté said, Cirque has conducted "a love affair" with L.A., and in an interview he spoke of how working on "Iris" has fired up the group's creative juices.
...a new touring show, " Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour" will launch in October.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-1205-cirque-20101205,0,1559034.story
A NEW CIRQUE DU SOLEIL PRODUCTION EXCLUSIVELY AT KODAK THEATRE
PERFORMANCES BEGIN JULY 21, 2011
Los Angeles, November 9, 2010 – Cirque du Soleil announced today that tickets go on sale to the general public on Monday, November 22 at 10:00 a.m. for IRIS A Journey through the World of Cinema, a brand new major, resident production created exclusively for the Kodak Theatre at the Hollywood & Highland Center, home of the Academy Awards. Tickets are available at cirquedusoleil.com or by calling 1-877-943-IRIS. Performances begin July 21, 2011.
IRIS is written and directed by director-choreographer Philippe Decouflé, who is the founder and artistic director of the acclaimed French dance troupe Compagnie DCA. Grammy-and Emmy Award-winner and Academy Award nominee, Danny Elfman, is music composer; IRIS marks his first Cirque du Soleil show.
IRIS and brings together dance, acrobatics, live video, filmed sequences and animation. From illustration to animation, black and white to colour, silent films to talkies, fixed shots to swooping camera movements, the show takes spectators on a fantastic voyage through the world of cinema and its genres.
The word “iris” refers to the adjustable opening—or diaphragm—that controls the amount of light that passes through a camera lens.(LIGHT) The word also refers to the colored part of the eye. (SEE)
Featuring 72 performers, 200 costumes, 8,300 square feet of floor surface, 174 loudspeakers, 603 lighting features, 20 video projectors, and 166,000 watts of sound, IRIS joins the other Cirque du Soleil resident productions Mystère, O, Zumanity, KÀ, The Beatles LOVE, CRISS ANGEL Believe and Viva ELVIS in Las Vegas, La Nouba at Walt Disney World Resort, ZED in Tokyo, and ZAIA in Macao, in scale, scope and size.
“We are thrilled to have found such a spectacular home in Los Angeles,” said President and CEO of Cirque du Soleil Daniel Lamarre. “The city is at the forefront not only of film, but music, architecture and art as well. It is our hope that IRIS will be a welcome addition to Hollywood as a destination for locals and visitors alike. This is also a kind of homecoming for us. Our international career started right here when we brought a show called “We Reinvent the Circus” to the LA Festival for opening night on September 3, 1987.
IRIS is one of three major Cirque du Soleil productions scheduled premiering in North America in 2011. The second is Zarkana, a new acrobatic spectacle that begins performances June 2011 at the legendary Radio City Music Hall in New York. The third is Michael Jackson The Immortal World Tour™, an arena-touring show in which fans will experience the excitement of a Michael Jackson concert.
http://www.cirquedusoleil.com/fi/press/news/2010/iris-tickets-on-sale.aspx
(http://www.apolitical.info/webgame/eye/eye.jpg)
Danny Elfman
Daniel Robert "Danny" Elfman is an American musician, best known for composing music for television and movies and leading the rock band Oingo Boingo as singer/songwriter from 1976 until its breakup in 1995. He is a frequent collaborator with long-time friend Tim Burton and has scored most of his films (the exceptions being Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd). He has been nominated for four Academy Awards and won a Grammy Award for Tim Burton's Batman and an Emmy Award for his Desperate Housewives theme. Elfman was honored with the prestigious Richard Kirk award at the 2002 BMI Film and TV Awards. The award is given annually to a composer who has made significant contributions to film and television music. Elfman is famous for creating The Simpsons main title theme, and his role as Jack Skellington's singing voice in The Nightmare Before Christmas. He also sang for the character Bonejangles in the movie Corpse Bride. He is the uncle-in-law to actress Jenna Elfman.
2010 "Alice In Wonderland"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Elfman
The CIM Group also owns Grauman's Chinese Theatre.
Grauman's Chinese Theatre
Grauman's Chinese Theatre is a movie theater located at 6925 Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood. It is located along the historic Hollywood Walk of Fame. The Chinese Theatre was commissioned following the success of the nearby Grauman's Egyptian Theatre which opened in 1922. Built over 18 months, beginning in January 1926 by a partnership headed by Sid Grauman, the theater opened May 18, 1927, with the premiere of Cecil B. DeMille's film The King of Kings.
The King of Kings
The King of Kings (1927) is a silent film directed by Cecil B. DeMille. It is a religious movie about the last weeks of Jesus before his crucifixion. H. B. Warner starred as Jesus. One of the last sequences of the movie, the Resurrection, is in Technicolor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_of_Kings
Grauman also built Grauman's Egyptian Theatre which is located nearby at 6712 Hollywood Boulevard.
Grauman's Egyptian Theatre
Grauman's Egyptian Theatre on Hollywood Boulevard in Hollywood, California, is one of the world's most famous movie theatres. Opened in 1922, it was the venue for the first-ever Hollywood premiere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grauman%27s_Egyptian_Theatre
Michael Jackson's star on Hollywood Blvd. is outside Grauman's Chinese Theatre.
Michael Jackson's Star On Hollywood Walk Of Fame
...Michael Jackson's star on the Hollywood Walk Of Fame just outside Grauman's Chinese Theatre. at 6927 Hollywood Blvd.: Michael Jackson
(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/8a/25/fe/michael-jackson-star.jpg)
http://www.seeing-stars.com/immortalized/walkoffamestars.shtml
This star appears in the video for the song "Hold My Hand".
Screen capture:
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f264/IndigoDreams0007/Star6.png)
[youtube:2vimo70a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCCnxBos10[/youtube:2vimo70a]
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Wenatchee
The name is a Salish word that means "river which comes [or whose source is] from canyons" or "robe of the rainbow." Awenatchela means "people at the source".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16148&hilit=the+source#p274421
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Wow :shock: as usual, you hit the nail on the head.
Who can be behind TIAI? This is craaaazyyyyyy
Wenatchee
The name is a Salish word that means "river which comes [or whose source is] from canyons" or "robe of the rainbow." Awenatchela means "people at the source".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee
I just happen to know something about Elvis/Jesse and his safety, that even Linda does not know. And what I have done and am doing is for his best interest and greatest safety—both in the present and future. If any are able to figure out The Source of what I’ve been presenting for more than a year now, they will know for certain that what I’m saying here is 100% true.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16148&hilit=the+source#p274421
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has this person told us when he'd be back?
or why he faked his assumed faked death?
or where is he?
i am very interested to know if beside numerology which can be twisted in any way i want if i want, there are certain facts leading us to a certain conclusion...or is this simply a game?
we must spend our time somehow, some go out, some watch movies, some read, some play.
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In a place like this is where we all end up
(http://imagensubir.infojardin.com/subidos/images/bwy1277182732m.jpg)
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Here is
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:lol:
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Here is
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my spot is already reserved. :|
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Maybe we need a revision of TS' "lucky guesses"
Do you know that TS posted His first post under the name STUDY on the 9th July 2009, exactly 9 weeks (63 days - inclusive reckoning - 9x7) from the 9th September 2009 (9-9-9). A lot of 9's isn't it!
and 63 days is 70-7 days or 9/10th of the way through a 70 day period or 9 weeks. Or 14 days into the hoax or 1/5th of the way into the first 70 days cycle.
Lets start the "lucky guesses" list, shall we?
The suicide of Evan Chandler was reported on November 17 2009, which was also the 70th anniversary one night showing of “The Wizard of Oz”.
TS redirected the night before, and pointed to a Wikipedia photo with the Yellow Brick road and Emerald City behind. And to quote TS: "This photo came from the Emerald City page on Wikipedia, not the Wizard of Oz page {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_City}. What are the odds that the E-van C-handler news came out on this same day, and had the same initials as E-merald C-ity, all by coincidence?"
The news of the Death of Evan Chandler was exactly 21 days (Inclusive reckoning - 777) after the release of This Is It on the Big screens (28th October 2009)
And 77 days from the burial. And 7 days into the 3rd 70 day period. And 7 days after the end of TII's 2 week run.
With L.O.V.E
The whole Evan Chandler "prediction" is... eery.
Also noted, that so many things with TS fit the 70 day cycle.
I always wonder why TS doesn't ever mention the 70 day thing other then between death and burial and really he focuses more on the 77 days to 9/9/09 then the 70 day repeating cycle. There's so many more dates that match up to the 70 day cycle, there seems to be a pattern. He talks about other dates and significant timings of things and never once brings this up.
Ps. I should also mention that if you use TS inclusive reckoning, the 70 day cycle count inclusive to 71 day cycles. The reason I don't call it the 71 day cycle is because for tracking purposes I am counting out long strings of calendar days (June 25, 09-Sep 3,09... Sep 3, 09-Nov 12,09... etc) and when adding blocks of sequential days together, inclusive reckoning isn't accurate. BUT, when referring to each period individually, calling them 71 day blocks inclusive would be accurate.
Yes Bec, I noticed the cycles, everything is so meticulously planned and executed... It is just like clock-work!
TS announced the TIAI reveal for the 21/12/09 on his YouTube channel on the 15th December 2009
A few days later TMZ announced that the FBI files would be released on 21/12/2009
TS redirects on the 16th and 17th December were 99 (Those 2 days were also 99 days from 9/9/09)
On the 18th December, TMZ showed a video of LaToya shopping on the previous day for a $9.99 item
TS Joined the Forum on the 21st December 2009 (Exactly one year ago).
TS posted TIAI reveal part 1 on 21/12/09 at 23:50
The FBI files were released with a one day delay on the 22/12/09 - (There are 333 pages ---> 666 + 333= 999)
Happy Joining Anniversary to TS!
With L.O.V.E
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abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality.
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Here is
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RIGHT.....
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Here is
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my spot is already reserved. :|
save a place for me ,because the place will be full soon i think :( :lol:
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Are we really crazy?
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Do you recall that episode in Seinfeld where it is found that Jerry never returned the borrowed book from the library?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Are we really crazy?
Of course not.
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Are we really crazy?
Of course not.
All the crazy people think they are sane.
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@Michael: you left us confused about that "we have 4 years to make it right".
Now this line has NO SENSE in relation with a series of concerts.
And after saying it you died..... very convinient.
Couldn't you be more specific :evil: ?
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Gina, i I am not a specialist, but from what i read, denial and the refuse to understand you have a problem seem to be the first "clues" :lol:
This is why i try not to deny and consider myself crazy enough to believe that one day things will change in Michael Jackson's "case", people will calm down eventually, admiring his artistic geniality, being grateful for his legacy and respecting the man in return.
Peace.
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Yes I know, I was just talking to the ghosts who stay in the walls of this forum :lol:
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Yes I know, I was just talking to the ghosts who stay in the walls of this forum :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
hope they hear you then.
even though...i'd rather not, i 'm sure it would make them angry at us.
:roll:
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Yes I know, I was just talking to the ghosts who stay in the walls of this forum :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
hope they hear you then.
even though...i'd rather not, i 'm sure it would make them angry at us.
:roll:
Oh, and we are supposed to stay calm and quiet, aren't we? "Control yourself hoaxers !!"
Convenient again :evil:
Oh, I am afraid of no ghosts :evil:
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Are we really crazy?
Of course not.
All the crazy people think they are sane.
lol ;)
Yes we do! 8-)
Peace
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Are we really crazy?
Of course not.
All the crazy people think they are sane.
Really?
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Wanna see my cream pie collection?? wanna, wanna?
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We are all mad...
What is sanity for some is folly for others...
and there's always occasions do case to our sanity and commit Follies.. :? :lol:
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Gema » wrote:
Wanna see my cream pie collection?? wanna, wanna?
! SIIIII !
(http://www.hispanosnet.com/emoticones-gratis-msn/locos/cutie-not-!!!_c_c.jpg)
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Yes I know, I was just talking to the ghosts who stay in the walls of this forum :lol:
:lol: It's an adventure. Who knows who all has jumped into the fray.
IMO the four years has only two options Mayan 2012 end of world prediction, or MJ's return or both at the same time. Have any more options been brought up?
What is sanity? But you gotto believe!
[youtube:1d8kjx08]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chjDHnIGzfg&feature=related[/youtube:1d8kjx08]
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I found an article
ThisIsAlsoIt really is ThisIsAllBullshit. Looking at the redirect list (Thanks LilWendyMJHD for allowing me to point to your list) it seems the rumors that TS is nothing more than some crazy alter-ego from the mind of Souza is true.
There are, on the list, 252 redirects that have spawn from TS/Souza. Of those 252 redirects 121 point to the Nazi headquarters; more commonly known as the MJDHI forum.
So why does TS/TIAI/Souza redirect to MJDHI so much? Because the shit doesn't really exist anywhere else. A lot of the TIAI redirects point to shit created by TS.
Let us have a look at a couple of the redirects that point to MJDHI that actually have nothing to do with TS:
249 (December 28 2010) - Murray’s Lawyers Win Extra Hearing - points to a topic on the MJDHI forum about Murray's lawyers winning an extra hearing. So out of all the fucking places that reported this TS had to point to MJDHI. Why not his good friends (sarcasm) over at TMZ? Why not any one of the hundreds of news sources?
Now some of the cynical among you may say well you can't trust the media, but the first post on that topic is a copy from a media source. So if you cannot trust the media then why quote them?
156 (July 9 2010) - Elvis And MJ Makes Sense - points to a topic on the Nazi headquarters which goes on about the Elvis and MJ shit that Souza started. So if you are following along at home - Souza as TS points to the bullshit theory of a double bam which was dreamed up by Souza. Point to your own shit and hope people believe it. Isn't that a media trick - ram it down people's throats enough and they will believe anything. Hell of the people in the world still believe Michael Jackson was guilty because the media didn't give two shits and give the same coverage to the fact that he was innocent.
And on the subject of forcing things down people's throats - what use is a redirect which points to TS? To give something credibility you suggest another source which agrees with your proposed view. It would be like Conrad Murray going to court and saying to the judge: "Watch this youtube video I made. See I said I was innocent so it has to be true."
There are numerous redirects from TIAB which go to the Nazi headquarters but could of pointed to a more logical place.
This along with the fact that TS did a long post involving screenshots where all the adverts were Dutch; and numerous people suggesting that TS and Souza also type similar.
And some of the more astute among you may remember that the whole Souza vs Mo shit started when Mo attacked TS.
You have to remember that Souza is the fucking retard that contacted The Sun hoping they would do an honest story. So it would appear that it is all about self-promotion.
Just a short post, so all those that claim to be investigating the hoax actually investigate the source of information they receive. And if you don't believe my figures check out the list at LilWndyMJHD's blog.
Peace.
http://mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/2011 ... -tiab.html (http://mjhdconspiracy.blogspot.com/2011/01/tiai-tiab.html)
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VUP from all of your posts, i can tell you are one annoying troll ....
Jeez why do you waste your time.. :roll:
Bye
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This along with the fact that TS did a long post involving screen shots where all the adverts were Dutch; and numerous people suggesting that TS and Souza also type similar.
Just a FYI, Souza and I are definitely not the best of buds. We don't "hate" one another but we often have differences of opinion and though it can be frustrating, annoying and even upsetting at times...There are things called tolerance, respect, being non-judgmental, and logic.
TS has never posted any updates with screen shots included in it. All of TS' posts only contain the links to an article, thread/post, website, video etc. Souza has then reposted TS' posts. She has taken screen shots of each of the the things that were linked, in the original post by TS. or she has included the actual video, instead of just a link. Because Souza resides in a country where the spoken language is Dutch, when she took screen shots, of the things linked in TS' posts, Dutch advertisements appeared. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out at all.
If you are such a so intelligent, a critical thinker and an investigator, why does it appear that you lack the ability to even employ simple logic? Who, what, where, when and how are extremely easy concepts to grasp and in this case are very simple questions to answer.
Let me throw you a bone...either reevaluate your nastiness and hatred, with a trip to the metaphorical mirror or get back in your dog house and quit this endless, aggravating and pointless barking.
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Hey vup...
It is much better to see oneself as vip! Flip the mirror and everything will be fine again!
Some of your points may have been VALID but the use of the f... word is not that pretty in writing. I know that others on here use it but still that does not make it pretty or make them pretty or credible! ;)
And you know vup, the fact that 48% of the re-directs points to this forum is not necessarily a negative! let's be real here! If all the answers were readily available, there would be no hoax... And if all the answers are revealed too quickly, there are no more Hoax... and in both cases, the performance needs to stop so...!
'Nuff said!!!!!!! :lol:
With L.O.V.E
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Hummm...
http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/what-tiai-is-actually-about/
:o
So...Hi Tim Simkin?
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Now, let’s get secular for a minute : those redirects are nothing but an irrelevant abyss of endoctrination and I’m quite surprised it hasn’t hit most people who still believe to this day this Simkin dude has something to do with MJ. Though MJ was a Christian and a firm believer of his faith, his messages were universal and un-proselytic and deeply respectful of other cultures and religions, whether one was jewish, muslim, atheist, buddhist or other countless types of faith or non-faiths in the world. http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/20 ... lly-about/ (http://annatomyofahoax.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/what-tiai-is-actually-about/)
I think this is a well written argument by Anna. Just a couple of things. I don't believe Michael is a Christian in the orthodox Christian sense, though he definately believes in God and reads the Bible, but interprets it his own way. Secondly it has been discussed before how Michael uses disguises and that in this hoax he likes to make connections, that when you search for the source you only find they lead to other difficult to find sources, like someone covering their tracks well. I believe this Tim E. Simkin could be like a Dave Dave, really hard to verify and prove. Michael is happy people think it was really Dave Dave on LKL, just like he might be happy to think people think TS is this Tim guy. Facts are not always what they appear to be. I truly appreciate various perspectives on who TS/TIAI is, and I keep them all on file, so that as time and the hoax progress, things and identities will become clearer hopefully. I've always felt this is a game of bluff, with many many people hiding things.
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
I disagree. I still believe TS is an insider. Like he said, he's trying to let us figure out the information ourselves without him telling us all the answers, and he's challenging us. He's posting more, but that doesn't mean he's trying to figure it out too. I'm pretty for sure he already knows, he's just seeing what we can figure out. :? ;)
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
Why? I don't think TS needs to connect dots, but he is showing us how we can.
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I'm also believe TS know's and gentle pushing us to the right direction , :D
We don't really know him , and i'm very curious, but i'm also likes that we not knowing who TS is. It's a double feeling.
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Well, whoever it is seems to know what they are doing. Be it Tim whoever, or Souza (and if her, why not just say so?) or Michael!!
Really, didn't we all believe before there was a STUDY or TS or Souza? Isn't that how we came to be on here? Didn't Souza give us a place to figure this out BECAUSE we already knew in our mind from all the evidence out there, that Michael is alive?
We needed a place to sort, investigate and be with others so we didn't feel like we were alone and crazy. Souza gave us this place. I don't need to be told who TS is to know they believe as we do and are waiting also. I know that person loves Michael also, and if they can help, whoever it is, that is great.
No need, IMO, to degrade TS or ANYONE in here as we are here TO BE TOGETHER IN L.O.V.E. for Michael.
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If MJ is sitting around easter egging what.. 50-200 ppl? He must be pretty freaking bored, he goes from reaching millions x 100 to leaving probably not even 200 ppl random clues and vague scenarios with question marks attached to each. Same goes for an insider.. why do this? It's not reaching any type of crowd and most of the people it does reach they became bored with it months ago.
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Bleu Eyes, I agree with you.
"I'm also believe TS know's and gentle pushing us to the right direction , :D
We don't really know him , and i'm very curious, but i'm also likes that we not knowing who TS is. It's a double feeling".
TS is controlling the "game". The hoax is about timing, he is guiding us through the hurdles so we can find our way in the appropriate time frame. I think not knowing who he is just adds to it. It makes it mysterious. Take care, Love to All
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
Why? I don't think TS needs to connect dots, but he is showing us how we can.
I have seen at times how this member somehow "predicts" articles that later came to TMZ, but I can´t see where this member can show us how to connect the dots. Some people have been connecting some dots already and have been unnoticed.
This is a team work and to me every opinion from every member is as worth and valuable, even the most unimportant comment can hide incredible results.
To me, at this point, TS is another member trying to connect the dots and debating about the hoax unless TS can show us something really mind blowing, new, or, again "predict" a new article on TMZ to connect future dots ;)
And to make my point clear, I am not against TS, I just see TS as another member.
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I agree with you, Gema.
In discussing the pictures, it never seems to arrive at any conclusion. If he knows something more, has no reason to be confusing us after 20 months.
Also I am not against TS, but I do not blindly trust those who have never see.
Moreover, he does not know about the postponement of the trial. That's weird!
Sorry, but I think I can speak my opinion. We live in democracy, is not it?
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PRICELESSSSS
Told ja
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I'm so over the "cryptic-ness" (I know that's not a word.) If you know something, say it. If you really don't and pretend you do, that's just wrong.
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by SEHF » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:18 am
If MJ is sitting around easter egging what.. 50-200 ppl? He must be pretty freaking bored, he goes from reaching millions x 100 to leaving probably not even 200 ppl random clues and vague scenarios with question marks attached to each. Same goes for an insider.. why do this? It's not reaching any type of crowd and most of the people it does reach they became bored with it months ago.
Many things MJ has done are with a small team who he has chosen for that particular project. I really believe that WE are one of several project groups for this current dream to be fulfilled. It has not come to the stage where the whole world knows yet. Do you really believe MJ's alive, but the vast majority of his fans don't? Do you think MJ's not aware of this and the few other Hoax sites? Then you know we are a stretegic group, no question, and it's not accidental. It just makes me feel blessed and happy. This is not a short movie shoot or quick game, so we have to be committed for an indefinate time, just like the dancers signed on for a 2 or was it 3 year contract. No one is forcing us to stay, no on has signed any contract, that I know of. I don't want to miss anything, but I realize I have to be patient, and still go live my normal life as well.
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I agree with you, Gema.
In discussing the pictures, it never seems to arrive at any conclusion. If he knows something more, has no reason to be confusing us after 20 months.
Also I am not against TS, but I do not blindly trust those who have never see.
Moreover, he does not know about the postponement of the trial. That's weird!
Sorry, but I think I can speak my opinion. We live in democracy, is not it?
I think you are both wrong. I see it in another way. But time will tell ;)
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Bleu Eyes, I agree with you.
"I'm also believe TS know's and gentle pushing us to the right direction , :D
We don't really know him , and i'm very curious, but i'm also likes that we not knowing who TS is. It's a double feeling".
TS is controlling the "game". The hoax is about timing, he is guiding us through the hurdles so we can find our way in the appropriate time frame. I think not knowing who he is just adds to it. It makes it mysterious. Take care, Love to All
That's it Mysterious,thank you Sandythyme
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I don't get TS mystery/drama/game/hoo-hoo point. We have enough mystery with Michael and with or without TS and other mysterious personas, it's majesty TIME will reveal the truth we desire to know putting things on its place. So, take it easy.
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WORD^^
All this TS has managed to do is waste time talking about the ambulance from his last " mysterious clue or question".
Which I find highly amusing. :mrgreen:
And YES you can take pictures through tinted windows. DUH. :idea:
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TS said some time ago he will post the next update only after the BAM.
But....... he made that 6.5 post anyway, like naming it 6.5 doesn't make it previous to BAM.
I was a bit dissapointed when he did this.
I don't know what the hell to believe right now.
The fact is TS is a very good observer and he has this skill of presenting things in a logical convincing way. And keeps something for mystery also, making us want for more.
Reminds me of somebody else here.
Yet, knowing the power of mystery, TS chose to post under another username and made this public. TS can't stay back and watch, he has to intervene, he has to interact with people here, even TS isn't that patient to wait for the BAM in the backstage.
WHY?
These actions were not in his favour anyway.
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Why can't you just keep watching?
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
I disagree. I still believe TS is an insider. Like he said, he's trying to let us figure out the information ourselves without him telling us all the answers, and he's challenging us. He's posting more, but that doesn't mean he's trying to figure it out too. I'm pretty for sure he already knows, he's just seeing what we can figure out. :? ;)
Has TS ever said that he's involved with Michael or is an insider? Has TS even said he's a MAN? Has TS ever said how he gets his info or why we should listen to him? What gives here other than he appears to be correct and authoritative in telling us what to do and what not to do? Not that I do not believe he's got some more info than we do, I just wonder WHY we ever from the beginning, thought he was anyone other than one of us or one of the admins....
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By now we can see that TS is just another member trying to connect dots and debating about the hoax.
I disagree. I still believe TS is an insider. Like he said, he's trying to let us figure out the information ourselves without him telling us all the answers, and he's challenging us. He's posting more, but that doesn't mean he's trying to figure it out too. I'm pretty for sure he already knows, he's just seeing what we can figure out. :? ;)
Has TS ever said that he's involved with Michael or is an insider? Has TS even said he's a MAN? Has TS ever said how he gets his info or why we should listen to him? What gives here other than he appears to be correct and authoritative in telling us what to do and what not to do? Not that I do not believe he's got some more info than we do, I just wonder WHY we ever from the beginning, thought he was anyone other than one of us or one of the admins....
I never said TS directly came out and said that. It's called believing. Has Michael or even anyone in his family came out and directly said "Michael's alive"? Nooo? But we believe it because of the clues, just like I believe TS is an insider because of the clues he's given us.
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Hey, did you know that TS letters stand as a part of a diagnose called Transfusion Syndrome? :P
TTTS: Twin to Twin Transfusion Syndrome
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
sorry, even if sadness is overwhelming, sometimes all I can do is laugh
why....why do I love you tell me why
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[Has TS ever said that he's involved with Michael or is an insider? Has TS even said he's a MAN? Has TS ever said how he gets his info or why we should listen to him? What gives here other than he appears to be correct and authoritative in telling us what to do and what not to do? Not that I do not believe he's got some more info than we do, I just wonder WHY we ever from the beginning, thought he was anyone other than one of us or one of the admins....
These are very good questions. WHY?
Because he put some order into the chaos of the hoax, maybe.....
And because he made use of the power of mystery.
And I call him "he" because it is easier than write he/she all the time
If he doesn't like it he can reveal his gender. But this would mean less mystery and it's not good
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In fact I don't want to know anything except if MJ is alive and happy. But maybe this is too much to ask for if he is in some kind of danger we are not aware of.
Because if our researches put him in danger than I don't want to know anything.
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If MJ is sitting around easter egging what.. 50-200 ppl? He must be pretty freaking bored, he goes from reaching millions x 100 to leaving probably not even 200 ppl random clues and vague scenarios with question marks attached to each. Same goes for an insider.. why do this? It's not reaching any type of crowd and most of the people it does reach they became bored with it months ago.
I doubt from head to toe that Michael is bored. I really do.
How did Michael reach millions x 100? How many of those listened?
How many of those did start reacting to what he sent out?
It was such an unbalanced communication: top - down, star on a pedestal to screaming, fainting fan. What does that lead to? Not to too much - except $$$ - but not to any change.
Now, since some time, Michael has the chance to talk one on one, neighbour to neighbour, blogger to blogger, human to human. I think it's the most interesting time of his life.
He's finally getting some answers to his questions.
He doesn't have to be in the public eye - what a relief. He doesn't have to prove anything anymore. I think he's having the best time of his life - an adventure on all accounts. As to convincing other people? He doesn't even need to, either they are convincing themselves in an interaction like we do or they won't and then it wasn't really that important in their life. So what. But those who are asking, who are interested - those are the ones he may want to talk to because the conversation will be fruitful on both sides.
Would you engage in assembling a crowd around you who is not interested just for having some public? No, the eager ones, those who want to strive for something, these are the ones you would prefer as well to listen to your messages, right? Isn't it better to let those leave who choose not to stay? Isn't this freedom of choice and isn't freedom of choice a must for peace?
Is quantity important or is quality important? When you want to change something, will you rely on quantity or quality?
I think Michael is not as busy with us as with his work - all those rehearsals for the trial and there's no escape except delays... LOL Plus music plus videos plus movie plus the Greatest Show plus Cirque plus his family plus his future businesses.
I don't think Michael is bored at all.
I wouldn't agree with everything he does, but that's not my business. As to the positives I was blessed enough to have witnessed, I can honestly say that these long months have been filled with much love from Michael's side - for exactly the 50 - 200 people you mentioned - and many, many more out there in Michael's land. I doubt we always understood everything in the meaning he wanted but overall those in Michael's land were trying pretty hard and he acknowledged this. There has been a lot of interaction with Michael that was impossible before June 25, many invitations to closeness with him, so many love showers for us and his handwriting was just so nice to see.
I'm sending back a lot of raindrops and sunbeams and I'm sure Michael knows what to make of it. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
Have a great time everybody.
Be the light in the world you are longing for.
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If MJ is sitting around easter egging what.. 50-200 ppl? He must be pretty freaking bored, he goes from reaching millions x 100 to leaving probably not even 200 ppl random clues and vague scenarios with question marks attached to each. Same goes for an insider.. why do this? It's not reaching any type of crowd and most of the people it does reach they became bored with it months ago.
Yes a mystery, but I believe in keeping with the purposes MJ has for this hoax. But he's certainly not bored like Grace said.
I think Michael is not as busy with us as with his work - all those rehearsals for the trial and closeness with him, so many love showers for us and his handwriting was just so nice to see.here's no escape except delays... LOL Plus music plus videos plus movie plus the Greatest Show plus Cirque plus his family plus his future businesses...
There has been a lot of interaction with Michael that was impossible before June 25, many invitations to closeness with him, so many love showers for us and his handwriting was just so nice to see.
There is a real sense of MJ reaching people individually after his "death", through dreams for some lucky ones, for me just amazingly profound magnetic drawing to the man (I can't ever leave). MJ shared that he did it all (his performances) just to be loved. Our love for him has gone deeper that just crazed screaming fans, to trying to understand his heart and reading everything he said/says, appreciating his sense of humor and passion for children and the planet. I feel confident he is feeling all our love here. This may just be the stage of small numbers, but when the masses understand the hoax after he BAMS, those numbers will substantially grow. Just like Jesus, there were the huge crowds he taught in parables and to the 12 disciples and following women, he taught more intimately, and then those few spread the message around the world.
Somehow I trust TS as someone close to MJ. He has his heart and seems to have a full understanding of everything. No other supposed insider comes close to this. He has a calming effect on us here. I know it's good not to be gullible and some here strongly resist being deceived and I don't blame them. The internet is a crazy world. It's good we have all the checks and balances here, even the odd troll that tries to belittle and inject socalled uncomfortable truth, so we can make up our own minds and have our feet firmly planted on the ground.
Oops, just realized I already responded to the SEHF post. :oops:
Ginafelicia, I do really appreciate your transparent honesty here.
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
Souza, you know for sure it's a 'him"? (just a dumb question i know )
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
Souza, you know for sure it's a 'him"? (just a dumb question i know )
Pretty sure. Too patient and too much control over his emotions after being attacked like that. Where women can make an elephant out of a mosquito over something unimportant, or freak out over anything mostly because they simply misundertood, men are more calm, reasonable, or simply don't give a shit. Besides that, TS sounds like a guy and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be a woman.
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well, who wants it to be TS has been thinking a lot of people, each who is free to think and of course to make its research, once i was in disagreement with the or it but there are things in which has had reason
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Well, I also think TS is a man. His reasoning seems presented as a man's. He talks with just the mind and sets us to task of using our logics and not just (womanly) emotions. He's not here saying Michael would do this or think or feel that like women tend to do.
My wondering about "him" is because I don't like to blindly follow w/o reason anyone elses opinion as mine, yours, or TS's could be correct as anyones. I just wonder how "he" got on here and started out. If he gave thought of who he was and how his opinions were the right ones to follow.
I too enjoy the ideas he presents and while following his pushing us (really, he presents as a teacher, trying to get students to dig further in theory, or an investigator teaching to learn to become one also)to find things we didn't know we should look for.
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:lol: if ts really wants to entertain us he could start a game of 20 questions and we could try and see if we can figure out who it is. ;) you know that is one thing that is kind of bothersome. most everyone i think has revealed some part of their lives to this group throughout this adventure, but ts nada. i had hoped with the ts comments thing there would have been more of an opening for a peek inside. but i guess not. kind of hard to place trust under those conditions. jmo
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Know what a lemming is?
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Know what a lemming is?
Yes, they can break through brick walls and get through boundaries and overcome obstacles to reach a goal that seems to be impossible to reach at first sight, as long as they have good guidance ;)
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
Souza, you know for sure it's a 'him"? (just a dumb question i know )
Pretty sure. Too patient and too much control over his emotions after being attacked like that. Where women can make an elephant out of a mosquito over something unimportant, or freak out over anything mostly because they simply misundertood, men are more calm, reasonable, or simply don't give a shit. Besides that, TS sounds like a guy and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be a woman.
Agreed with all of the above! Especially about the woman part. :lol: :lol: :lol: So true!! :)
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RunFaYaLife
Know what a lemming is?
Souza
Yes, they can break through brick walls and get through boundaries and overcome obstacles to reach a goal that seems to be impossible to reach at first sight, as long as they have good guidance ;)
Souza Souza Souza
Surly you jest :mrgreen:
Perhaps the single best explanation for why the vast majority of people fail at the game of life is the Lemming Factor. This physiological disorder is named after a small rodent that migrates in large groups and has been observed committing mass-suicide by jumping over Norwegian cliffs.
This species is driven by a strong biological urge to go along unquestioningly with the herd, leading to potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.[/i]
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/5e016813638cc6c3bebca21f0cee176012116b9f.jpg)
Don’t think you’re on the right road just because it’s a well-beaten path.
~ Author Unknown
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RunFaYaLife
Know what a lemming is?
Souza
Yes, they can break through brick walls and get through boundaries and overcome obstacles to reach a goal that seems to be impossible to reach at first sight, as long as they have good guidance ;)
Souza Souza Souza
Surly you jest :mrgreen:
Perhaps the single best explanation for why the vast majority of people fail at the game of life is the Lemming Factor. This physiological disorder is named after a small rodent that migrates in large groups and has been observed committing mass-suicide by jumping over Norwegian cliffs.
This species is driven by a strong biological urge to go along unquestioningly with the herd, leading to potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.[/i]
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/5e016813638cc6c3bebca21f0cee176012116b9f.jpg)
Don’t think you’re on the right road just because it’s a well-beaten path.
~ Author Unknown
so, i'm curious just what is your take on this thing. the whole thing not just ts.if you don't mind :D
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RunFaYaLife
Know what a lemming is?
Souza
Yes, they can break through brick walls and get through boundaries and overcome obstacles to reach a goal that seems to be impossible to reach at first sight, as long as they have good guidance ;)
Souza Souza Souza
Surly you jest :mrgreen:
Perhaps the single best explanation for why the vast majority of people fail at the game of life is the Lemming Factor. This physiological disorder is named after a small rodent that migrates in large groups and has been observed committing mass-suicide by jumping over Norwegian cliffs.
This species is driven by a strong biological urge to go along unquestioningly with the herd, leading to potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.[/i]
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/5e016813638cc6c3bebca21f0cee176012116b9f.jpg)
Don’t think you’re on the right road just because it’s a well-beaten path.
~ Author Unknown
Lol. If we were lemmings we would believe Michael Jackson was dead :lol:
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unless the whole thing is to see how hard it is to get people to believe crazy conspiracy theories ;)
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unless the whole thing is to see how hard it is to get people to believe crazy conspiracy theories ;)
At this point which is the "Crazy conspiracy theory"...that Michael Jackson is dead or alive?
LoLoLoLoL
so, i'm curious just what is your take on this thing. the whole thing not just ts.if you don't mind :D
Why Suspicious Mind I am shocked that you care enough to ask....not that I do not appreciate it ...heh.
However, if I went into my thinking on the matter I am SURE it would piss off 99.9% of this board.
Which I probably do anyway.
I will say this ...the lemming thing does apply.
Someone or someone(s) is YANKING your collective chains.
What amazes me is how so many peeps just jump on the band wagon all willy nilly.
Common sense seems to have left the building.
It is plain as day that the same "someone" is over thinking this whole "theory" to the point of insanity. .....and I'm not buying it.
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unless the whole thing is to see how hard it is to get people to believe crazy conspiracy theories ;)
At this point which is the "Crazy conspiracy theory"...that Michael Jackson is dead or alive?
LoLoLoLoL
so, i'm curious just what is your take on this thing. the whole thing not just ts.if you don't mind :D
Why Suspicious Mind I am shocked that you care enough to ask....not that I do not appreciate it ...heh.
However, if I went into my thinking on the matter I am SURE it would piss off 99.9% of this board.
Which I probably do anyway.
I will say this ...the lemming thing does apply.
Someone or someone(s) is YANKING your collective chains.
What amazes me is how so many peeps just jump on the band wagon all willy nilly.
Common sense seems to have left the building.
It is plain as day that the same "someone" is over thinking this whole "theory" to the point of insanity. .....and I'm not buying it.
hmm so what is your purpose in this then? have you come to try and save us from our selves? that is always the part i don't get.
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unless the whole thing is to see how hard it is to get people to believe crazy conspiracy theories ;)
At this point which is the "Crazy conspiracy theory"...that Michael Jackson is dead or alive?
LoLoLoLoL
so, i'm curious just what is your take on this thing. the whole thing not just ts.if you don't mind :D
Why Suspicious Mind I am shocked that you care enough to ask....not that I do not appreciate it ...heh.
However, if I went into my thinking on the matter I am SURE it would piss off 99.9% of this board.
Which I probably do anyway.
I will say this ...the lemming thing does apply.
Someone or someone(s) is YANKING your collective chains.
What amazes me is how so many peeps just jump on the band wagon all willy nilly.
Common sense seems to have left the building.
It is plain as day that the same "someone" is over thinking this whole "theory" to the point of insanity. .....and I'm not buying it.
I'm sure there are more people that agree with your thoughts than one might think. I feel like the whole ambulance thing is like beating a dead horse....I get irritated with myself every time I click on the thread. But it's one of only a few new ones lately.
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unless the whole thing is to see how hard it is to get people to believe crazy conspiracy theories ;)
At this point which is the "Crazy conspiracy theory"...that Michael Jackson is dead or alive?
LoLoLoLoL
so, i'm curious just what is your take on this thing. the whole thing not just ts.if you don't mind :D
Why Suspicious Mind I am shocked that you care enough to ask....not that I do not appreciate it ...heh.
However, if I went into my thinking on the matter I am SURE it would piss off 99.9% of this board.
Which I probably do anyway.
I will say this ...the lemming thing does apply.
Someone or someone(s) is YANKING your collective chains.
What amazes me is how so many peeps just jump on the band wagon all willy nilly.
Common sense seems to have left the building.
It is plain as day that the same "someone" is over thinking this whole "theory" to the point of insanity. .....and I'm not buying it.
I'm sure there are more people that agree with your thoughts than one might think. I feel like the whole ambulance thing is like beating a dead horse....I get irritated with myself every time I click on the thread. But it's one of only a few new ones lately.
hey i had an idea how we could pass the time until the trial. 20 questions with ts. don't you think it would be interesting? maybe if we all ask real nice like as andy taylor would say. :D
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I think people need to stop whining about TS. If you think that people who "follow" TS are sheeps, that's ok. Don't follow (whatever that follow mean?!?) and do your own research but stop whining about TS. NOBODY could able to find some of the things TS knew and wrote and again NOBODY could able to debunk TS but still they try to discredit and slander TS! If you have known all the things TS has written, why didn't you come up with those theories and be the "TS" in the first hand before TS appeared?!? If you think that he is not an insider or whatever you think, then why don't you debunk him?!? All you can do is to try to show him like he is playing with people, giving them false hope or controlling them. He is not doing any of these. Everything is in your hands and nobody can control your moves or ideas on this forum. Nobody is that stupid or that immature here. So what I ask from you is, try to debunk TS and give some credible proof to back up your theory about TS or shut the F... UP! I'm tired of seeing people ridicule someone when they do not have any proof that they are right about that person. I'm not going to argue about this issue. All I'm going to say is, if you don't like TS, why need to follow this post about his authenticity, and why need to create negativeness? You are running in circles, you are repeating yourselves. Just move on with your hoax research and let us appreciate TS for all the information he gives us. An insider or not, he is doing such an amazing job.
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Pretty sure. Too patient and too much control over his emotions after being attacked like that. Where women can make an elephant out of a mosquito over something unimportant, or freak out over anything mostly because they simply misundertood, men are more calm, reasonable, or simply don't give a shit. Besides that, TS sounds like a guy and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be a woman.
Now I'm almost 100% TS is a woman :lol: :lol: :lol:
A very smart one.
Hey RunFaYaLife - I like your username :mrgreen:
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hmm so what is your purpose in this then? have you come to try and save us from our selves? that is always the part i don't get.
Do you see me running around here dragging a huge cross while wearing a crown of thorns on my head...... bemoaning every comment?
I did not THINK so.
There's your sign.
I'm sure there are more people that agree with your thoughts than one might think. I feel like the whole ambulance thing is like beating a dead horse....I get irritated with myself every time I click on the thread. But it's one of only a few new ones lately.
Wow....to the .....Wow ...and Thank you *blushing*
hey i had an idea how we could pass the time until the trial. 20 questions with ts. don't you think it would be interesting? maybe if we all ask real nice like as andy taylor would say. :D
Great Idea!!! I'm laughing out loud for real over here. :mrgreen:
Now I'm almost 100% TS is a woman :lol: :lol: :lol:
A very smart one.
Hey RunFaYaLife - I like your username :mrgreen:
Thank you....in some cases....it seems to fit.... whether I meant it to or not. :mrgreen:
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yeah I like it a lot and I like your signature picture as well.
and what the hell, I like TS too!!
Let's all like other, wouldn't this be nice :mrgreen: ?
Hmmmmm......
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RunFaYaLife
Know what a lemming is?
Souza
Yes, they can break through brick walls and get through boundaries and overcome obstacles to reach a goal that seems to be impossible to reach at first sight, as long as they have good guidance ;)
Souza Souza Souza
Surly you jest :mrgreen:
Perhaps the single best explanation for why the vast majority of people fail at the game of life is the Lemming Factor. This physiological disorder is named after a small rodent that migrates in large groups and has been observed committing mass-suicide by jumping over Norwegian cliffs.
This species is driven by a strong biological urge to go along unquestioningly with the herd, leading to potentially dangerous or fatal consequences.[/i]
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/5e016813638cc6c3bebca21f0cee176012116b9f.jpg)
Don’t think you’re on the right road just because it’s a well-beaten path.
~ Author Unknown
You know RunFaYaLife, sometimes it's not that bad to accept a little guidance. We all need it in life because we simply can't figure everything out on ourselves. Simply following someone without doing your own investigation would be stupid, but dismissing information simply because you are afraid to become a 'lemming' is just as stupid, it's like what adolescents do with the advice their parents give them. One day they will see their parents were right.
I do not follow TS blindly, I have investigated myself and I have come to my own conclusions way before TS ever posted on here. I do not need TS to post for me to believe in the hoax or the reasons behind it. I do not believe anything he says just because he says so, I use my own brain to think. But up until this day, I have found nothing in his posts that can be debunked, with exception of the recent posts, where he is challenging theories. Opposers have been screaming he is a fake, who works for Sony to harm MJ, that he is simply a troll with too much time on his hands, or that he is my alter ego, because I want 'my sheep to follow me'. All accusations without any back-up. No one ever showed me good arguments.
We are being tested. TS gave us information that is not too obvious, yet if you think for yourself and connect the dots, you can see he is legit and he has proven to be. I am sure he is able to convince everyone in a split second if he wants, but he can't, because he would reveal the hoax. Now there is still mystery surrounding it, and people can still see him as a troll. As soon as he gives solid proof that even can't be denied by the media, the hoax is over. So we have a choice. We can read his posts, make up our own minds and either dismiss, doubt or believe. I chose to believe, not because I desperately want to, but because I know he is legit. The people who doubt will either follow the people who believe, or the people who dismiss. The ones that dismissed him and keep ranting he's playing with people's minds, will not believe him until the truth will come out. That is fine, but they are confusing the doubters with invalid arguments or arguments based on emotions. If you can't set your emotions aside in all this, you will fall off that cliff. The challenge is and always has been to use your head and think and stay open to any possibility. Calling people who believe TS sheep or lemmings or whatever you want to call it, is insulting. If there is one person on this earth always on guard and suspicious, it's me. But if good guidance knocks my door I'm not too proud to accept the helping hand. It would be stupid to think Mike would not be involved with the hoaxers, he needs us to understand.
As for going through the old ambulance stuff again: this should help people who have doubts about the hoax. Even though we have discussed it many times, we always discussed it with hoax eyes, therefore many theories were floating around, even those who are not true and can be debunked by people not looking at it with hoax eyes. This way we are revisiting the old stuff and come to a conclusion that is not possible to debunk, which should strengthen the belief of hoaxers in doubt. This also helps to fit the pieces of the puzzle on other subjects. If we can come to certain conclusions and dismiss certain theories, we know where to start on other theories. It's like a crossword puzzle. The beginning is difficult and you can't seem to find some words, so you start with the easy ones. The more words you find, the more letters you will have for the words you didn't see at start.
If the threads make you angry, fine. Just stay out of them, but let the people who are enjoying it and trying to make the puzzle complete, investigate this. I thought the ambulance thread was very useful and I am sure others will be as well. If they are not useful to you, just open another thread about another subject, no one is telling you to participate.
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
Souza, you know for sure it's a 'him"? (just a dumb question i know )
Pretty sure. Too patient and too much control over his emotions after being attacked like that. Where women can make an elephant out of a mosquito over something unimportant, or freak out over anything mostly because they simply misundertood, men are more calm, reasonable, or simply don't give a shit. Besides that, TS sounds like a guy and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be a woman.
That was a huge generalization Souza in this hoax case and life wise.
However, I can´t talk about this member cause very little about him he has presented, but I can tell you that during the first hoax monts I had read the reactions and interactions of some men in chats and they were far from being patient and controlled over their emotions.
Lability does happen in every human, men and women.
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well, who wants it to be TS has been thinking a lot of people, each who is free to think and of course to make its research, once i was in disagreement with the or it but there are things in which has had reason
I am very sorry. What do you mean?
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Know what a lemming is?
Yes. Who is holding the flute? :lol:
But no, i don´t see that comparison in this case as long as people understand that TS is another member interacting in the hoax, indepenently if some people want to think that he is in the know more than others or just discussing the same topics a bit deeper.
This is a "team" work and TS has the capacity of explaning his points very clearly, that is why is easier to "follow" his threads from now on. Before with the numbers ones was not possible for many of us :lol:
As long as is not asking for a date or money, I am fine with anyone :lol:
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(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/5e016813638cc6c3bebca21f0cee176012116b9f.jpg)
This pic is very funny :lol: :lol: :lol:
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You know, I really don't understand the TS discussions anyway. I will pretend for a moment that he isn't an insider. What is he actually doing wrong? Different from other so called insiders, he doesn't spoon feed, he presents something and makes people think for themselves, investigate for themselves and believe what they want. No one HAS TO follow his lead, no one HAS TO read his posts or join the recent discussions. He is only planting a seed and lets us take a closer look at things so we can debunk exsisting theories that can not be backed up and come with believable theories that actually can be backed up. In his updates he presents stuff that can make you look at things in another perspective, confirm or change your view about the reasons of the hoax and learn something as well. So even IF he would be one big major bored troll who is posting long ass posts for 18 months already, he doesn't harm anyone and he is actually helping and entertaining those who do want to be involved.
He is not trying to convince you if you don't want to, you don't have to read what he writes, you don't have to believe him. I do believe him and I do trust him 100% and I am sure everything will fall into place when the time is right. It's fun to interact with him and he's a nice guy with humor, so if you don't want to believe he is an insider, just see him as a regular member and communicate with him like with any other member, or simply ignore him, but I think you would be missing out in that case...
Souza, you know for sure it's a 'him"? (just a dumb question i know )
Pretty sure. Too patient and too much control over his emotions after being attacked like that. Where women can make an elephant out of a mosquito over something unimportant, or freak out over anything mostly because they simply misundertood, men are more calm, reasonable, or simply don't give a shit. Besides that, TS sounds like a guy and I would be very surprised if it would turn out to be a woman.
That was a huge generalization Souza in this hoax case and life wise.
However, I can´t talk about this member cause very little about him he has presented, but I can tell you that during the first hoax monts I had read the reactions and interactions of some men in chats and they were far from being patient and controlled over their emotions.
Lability does happen in every human, men and women.
One of my brothers is far from patient and a total drama queen as well, he's gay. Overall men are simply more rational, where women are more emotional. I am not talking about exceptions, because there will always be exceptions, like my brother for example.
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
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The post is not to me, but I will answer to you.
Simply following someone without doing your own investigation would be stupid, but dismissing information simply because you are afraid to become a 'lemming' is just as stupid
May the key is to not follow any one on the 1st place but to share the same opinion in some matters.
I did ask for spoon feeding in some posts and somehow here we are :D but that does not mean that I agree with the food set in the spoon.
We are being tested.
By who?
TS gave us information that is not too obvious, yet if you think for yourself and connect the dots, you can see he is legit and he has proven to be
To be honest, I don´t understand the legibility part. Legit as what? investigating? looking for events that made no sense and exposing them?, in that case, yes, he is legit,as any other member here who did the same, but beside his "ability" to predict some articles coming or dealing with numbers, what is so exeptional?
As soon as he gives solid proof that even can't be denied by the media, the hoax is over.
And the consequence of being over would be? Bam?
If you can't set your emotions aside in all this, you will fall off that cliff.
The challenge is and always has been to use your head and think and stay open to any possibility.
Totally agree
Calling people who believe TS sheep or lemmings or whatever you want to call it, is insulting
Agree as well
if good guidance knocks my door I'm not too proud to accept the helping hand. It would be stupid to think Mike would not be involved with the hoaxers, he needs us to understand.
At times, "helping hands" are just like predators, knowing that you are in the need of guiadance to get your trust first and gain something after (I wrote a post somewhere in this forum about how sects work btw if you are interested).
In the hoax case, "trolls" have been out there gaining the trust of believers and harming them "in the name of Michael", pretending to be Michael.
I am not saying that TS fits this category, what I am explaining here is that not every helping hand has the same agenda at the end, and this is may be why people are not open 100% to trust someone who has been giving criptic appearances since the beginning.
What we know is that TS was redirecting to links and writing interesting posts and up to now I don´t see any harm with them :)
May be TS has something to say as well.
If the threads make you angry, fine. Just stay out of them, but let the people who are enjoying it and trying to make the puzzle complete, investigate this
That reminds me about one thread being closed recently :P
Yes to re-open the thread!!
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One of my brothers is far from patient and a total drama queen as well, he's gay. Overall men are simply more rational, where women are more emotional. I am not talking about exceptions, because there will always be exceptions, like my brother for example.
Those exceptions were also the ones in the chats and I don´t think all were gay, believe me. For some reason those MJ chats and forums attracted very emotional people, from super loving ones to full of rage and anger, all for "love".
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
Are you serious or just kidding? :lol:
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Gema, TS showed he has links with TMZ, Sony and the Jacksons. He knew things beforehand, so no, he's not just a member, he knows stuff. I even think he knows way more than he lets us believe and I also think that some things not fully understood yet will fall into place later on. You can think he's just a member grasping at straws, that's fine, but I am sure he's not.
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maybe the revisiting old subjects is like preparing for your final exams. since i wasn't that much involved in the beginning i don't mind the review. especially since the trial is on it's way. guess it doesn't really matter who is leading it. i have made up my mind a long time ago that no one is gonna lead me into anything that goes against my gut. i have to say though that these days i am feeling somewhat discouraged . if we do find out that michael is gone i will have to mourn all over again and this time it will hit harder , i am sure. i suppose that will be the price to pay for taking this adventure, but i have also gain a look at the world through the eyes and hearts of a lot of people here. that is something else i get to take away from this as well as discovering the man and his music that i really never knew.
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
This must be a joke, right? If not, what planet are you from? Straight Planet? Believe me, where you live, there are gay people too, that is if you live on Planet Earth though...
Being gay is not a trend, you are simply born that way. Calling it a 'trend' is disrespectful, naive and insulting to the gay community. But if you are serious with your comment, it explains a lot to me about other comments you posted. One advice from me to you: make a trip around the world and meet other people, see other places, because you clearly live in a bubble.
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I also think that some things not fully understood yet will fall into place later on.
What things are you refering to?
You can think he's just a member grasping at straws, that's fine, but I am sure he's not
Fine with me :)
Still a member even if "in the know" more than others ;)
Team work at the end to reach a common goal, truth, is what matters to me.
I said this many times; every opinion, research or letter is worth and valuable, even if the avatar attached to the opinion does not wear the name of the most active, polemic, pain in the butt or appreciated member.
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
Ow my god....
You must be living in a very sad place....[/b]
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if we do find out that michael is gone i will have to mourn all over again and this time it will hit harder , i am sure. i suppose that will be the price to pay for taking this adventure
Sorry to read you would feel that way.
May be the way I look at it can cheer you up a little even if is not too positive itself.
If MJ is dead there is no chance we will meet him ever, and if he is alive, goes the same way, there is no chance we will meet him ever :lol:
However, we are awared of his life more now than before after he "passed".
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if we do find out that michael is gone i will have to mourn all over again and this time it will hit harder , i am sure. i suppose that will be the price to pay for taking this adventure
Sorry to read you would feel that way.
May be the way I look at it can cheer you up a little even if is not too positive itself.
If MJ is dead there is no chance we will meet him ever, and if he is alive, goes the same way, there is no chance we will meet him ever :lol:
However, we are awared of his life more now than before after he "passed".[/[/i]quote]
and that is the part that will make it harder.
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I also think that some things not fully understood yet will fall into place later on.
What things are you refering to?
You can think he's just a member grasping at straws, that's fine, but I am sure he's not
Fine with me :)
Still a member even if "in the know" more than others ;)
Team work at the end to reach a common goal, truth, is what matters to me.
I said this many times; every opinion, research or letter is worth and valuable, even if the avatar attached to the opinion does not wear the name of the most active, polemic, pain in the butt or appreciated member.
I never said other members do NOT share valuable information and investigation, did I?
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I also think that some things not fully understood yet will fall into place later on.
What things are you refering to?
You can think he's just a member grasping at straws, that's fine, but I am sure he's not
Fine with me :)
Still a member even if "in the know" more than others ;)
Team work at the end to reach a common goal, truth, is what matters to me.
I said this many times; every opinion, research or letter is worth and valuable, even if the avatar attached to the opinion does not wear the name of the most active, polemic, pain in the butt or appreciated member.
I never said other members do NOT share valuable information and investigation, did I?
No, you did not, and I didn´t go on that direction either when writing my post.
You and other members are taking TS´s "side" as I have not seen with other members.
However, I would like to understand from you and other members, what makes you think/ feel that TS_comments is an insider beyond theories that can´t be debunked by us or TMZ article predictions.
Looks to me, that if people believe that TS_comments is an insider or MJ, that member, TS, will have more support than any other member would and his theories will be read with more attention from those who are eager to "please" Michael. This is conditioning in "ma" book ;)
Would TS_comments have so much interaction in his threads if people would not have had hints from other members that he is possibly an insider or MJ?
I am not against TS or pro TS or any one here, I am just trying to understand every ones point of view :)
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:lol: ts needs a disclaimer: not responsible for those who are willing to follow me off the side of a cliff. ;)
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Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
well, who wants it to be TS has been thinking a lot of people, each who is free to think and of course to make its research, once i was in disagreement with the or it but there are things in which has had reason
I am very sorry. What do you mean?
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I am talking about this and the case of Eliza, after a time does not agree with this, we saw what case with this.
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I also think that some things not fully understood yet will fall into place later on.
What things are you refering to?
You can think he's just a member grasping at straws, that's fine, but I am sure he's not
Fine with me :)
Still a member even if "in the know" more than others ;)
Team work at the end to reach a common goal, truth, is what matters to me.
I said this many times; every opinion, research or letter is worth and valuable, even if the avatar attached to the opinion does not wear the name of the most active, polemic, pain in the butt or appreciated member.
I never said other members do NOT share valuable information and investigation, did I?
No, you did not, and I didn´t go on that direction either when writing my post.
You and other members are taking TS´s "side" as I have not seen with other members.
However, I would like to understand from you and other members, what makes you think/ feel that TS_comments is an insider beyond theories that can´t be debunked by us or TMZ article predictions.
Looks to me, that if people believe that TS_comments is an insider or MJ, that member, TS, will have more support than any other member would and his theories will be read with more attention from those who are eager to "please" Michael. This is conditioning in "ma" book ;)
Would TS_comments have so much interaction in his threads if people would not have had hints from other members that he is possibly an insider or MJ?
I am not against TS or pro TS or any one here, I am just trying to understand every ones point of view :)
Some people may only follow TS because they think he's an insider, I agree. There are many people on here that want to please Mike. But that doesn't count for all of them. I could say the same the other way around. Many are opposing TS, or attacking me or this forum in general simply because some people say we are disrespecting Michael. Those people are jumping a bandwagon as well and will never open up for TS' posts or even read them simply because someone tells them that "Michael would never do that'.
Because there are many members and many posts, it's not possible to follow every post. There are posts from some members I'd like to ignore because of some of their previous posts, and there are some that I follow because they post good information. If it's not worth replying in 'ma book', I simply won't and I think that goes for many other members as well. You filter info. But if I am interested, I will join the discussion. TS is one of the members I am interested in, so I reply to his threads. It's simple as that. If there are people who are only following TS and dismiss all other info, well that's not my problem. People should follow the hoax, and not just TS, I am only saying that if you dismiss or ignore TS you might be missing out.
This discussion is going in circles. I have posted many many posts about TS and why he is legit, so I'm not going there anymore. If you still don't believe now, there is nothing I can do. Just go with the flow and wait it out.
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This discussion is going in circles. I have posted many many posts about TS and why he is legit, so I'm not going there anymore. If you still don't believe now, there is nothing I can do. Just go with the flow and wait it out.[/color]
Oh, not to me. You answered the questions already in the last post, so no more questions from me, thanks. I understand that to you legit=insider or MJ.
The issue we were discussing is not for me to believe your opinion or not, only to understand your reasons to believe who is who.
I believe that you believe TS=insider or MJ, but I do not believe that TS is....by now ;) :geek:
"ma" point and "ya" point understood :ugeek:
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Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
well, who wants it to be TS has been thinking a lot of people, each who is free to think and of course to make its research, once i was in disagreement with the or it but there are things in which has had reason
I am very sorry. What do you mean?
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I am talking about this and the case of Eliza, after a time does not agree with this, we saw what case with this.
I am still lost Paula. I took the title of that post as ironic, never literally.
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PM in spanish sent :lol:
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later I'm going out to eat :lol:
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
Are you serious or just kidding? :lol:
Why is it so hard to believe? I wasn't kidding. actually I am quite curious to meet such a person.
I've never met any, nor the people I know met any....
I lived in a few places during my life and nowhere I met any :?
I know it is hard for you to believe but this is the truth :?
Can't explain to myself why here they don't seem to exist
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i have to say though that these days i am feeling somewhat discouraged . if we do find out that michael is gone i will have to mourn all over again and this time it will hit harder , i am sure.
I am discouraged too. Somewhat, like you say. Not sure what to believe.
Today I saw the video for Hollywood tonight on TV and I couldn't stop crying....I was very sad because if Mike was alive I think he wouldn't have released it this way....it is not bad but it is not what we were used to, no magic, you know....
Yes there was a number 1600 at some point in the video and that was 7, but they alreadyknow of our obsession for 7, they included it in HMH and maybe they are just playing with us..... IDK
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:lol: ts needs a disclaimer: not responsible for those who are willing to follow me off the side of a cliff. ;)
:lol:
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Being gay is not a trend, you are simply born that way.
If you say so, be it your way
I don't want to go into this. It's a matter of different cultures...
Planet Earth is wide enough for all of them.
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Being gay is not a trend, you are simply born that way.
If you say so, be it your way
It's not MY way, it's a fact. My brother went through hell because he was afraid to tell people, even his own very open minded family and it took him years and very bad periods in life to finally come out and tell us, so he could get back to his old happy self again and be proud of himself again for who he was and not for who he loved. That's not something you choose because it's 'trendy', you simply don't HAVE a choice because that is who you are. And don't expect a freakshow if you ever meet 'such a person' because I have news for you: they are like you and me! They work, they eat, they bleed, they sleep and they love. You probably already met many of them, but if people in your country all have such strange views about gay people, I can imagine they will never tell a soul if I see how many already have difficulties in Holland, which is the gay capital of the world.
That is the last thing I wanted to say about that, because this is way off topic. You get my point.
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I know this isn't the most important thing but don't you wonder who TS...who is close enough to MJ that he would tell all this to...it is a possibility TS is MJ. I only bring this up because I thought we established that TS is authentic. If you don't believe he or she is then I guess you can ask yourself what is she/he more of...a troll or someone who cares enough to help. But it's not vital that you believe in TS the main thing is that people still believe MJ is alive and I guess he can explain who or what TS is or was doing, when he comes back.
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I know this isn't the most important thing but don't you wonder who TS...who is close enough to MJ that he would tell all this to...it is a possibility TS is MJ. I only bring this up because I thought we established that TS is authentic. If you don't believe he or she is then I guess you can ask yourself what is she/he more of...a troll or someone who cares enough to help. But it's not vital that you believe in TS the main thing is that people still believe MJ is alive and I guess he can explain who or what TS is or was doing, when he comes back.
That's something I always catch myself thinking about too. :D I used to think TS was Michael, but then again I don't know if Michael would have the time to get on here everyday, with the new music videos and all (if he's behind those, which i think he is). But hey! You never know :) I hope it's him :D :lol:
I think/hope we will find out who TS is eventually. ;)
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Being gay is not a trend, you are simply born that way.
If you say so, be it your way
It's not MY way, it's a fact
yeah...whatever....I don't wanna talk about it. It was "preached" to me before so I know the way you (not you personally, but people in some parts of the world) think about it.
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I know this isn't the most important thing but don't you wonder who TS...who is close enough to MJ that he would tell all this to...it is a possibility TS is MJ.
All possibilities are open, as TS won't reveal his identity. But something tells me some people already know who TS is.
All TS work is directed into strengthen our belief that Michael is alive. I don't think TS was taking all that time to put the hoax clues in some logical order and present them in a clean manner to the believers just for fun.
Even my dear BFF BlackJack told me to read TS if I ever have doubts....how ironic
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I know this isn't the most important thing but don't you wonder who TS...who is close enough to MJ that he would tell all this to...it is a possibility TS is MJ.
All possibilities are open, as TS won't reveal his identity. But something tells me some people already know who TS is.
All TS work is directed into strengthen our belief that Michael is alive. I don't think TS was taking all that time to put the hoax clues in some logical order and present them in a clean manner to the believers just for fun.
Even my dear BFF BlackJack told me to read TS if I ever have doubts....how ironic
Who do you think it is?
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I think it is someone who has an interest in this story.Can't figure out what kind of interest yet.
What makes TS going on with this?
Fun? He has to have too much time to waste it this way just for fun.I think a person who was to do it just for fun would have given up in the meantime.
A study on human nature, us being the subjects? Could be, but I think there's something more.
Because there was said Sony wanted to do a sequel to This is it, so we've got thisisalsoit soon after.
Another thought is a hijack of Michael Jackson's death, for yet unknown reasons.
In conclusion, I don't know.
The ghosts in the walls won't tell but I know they are there....watching :|
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Because there are many members and many posts, it's not possible to follow every post. There are posts from some members I'd like to ignore because of some of their previous posts, and there are some that I follow because they post good information. If it's not worth replying in 'ma book', I simply won't and I think that goes for many other members as well. You filter info. But if I am interested, I will join the discussion. TS is one of the members I am interested in, so I reply to his threads. It's simple as that. If there are people who are only following TS and dismiss all other info, well that's not my problem. People should follow the hoax, and not just TS, I am only saying that if you dismiss or ignore TS you might be missing out. [/quote]
I totally agree with this point Souza. I read a lot on the forum but post very rarely. There are some members whose posts I look forward to with zeal...and others whose posts I avoid at all costs. Unless I'm interested and have something to add or contribute I usually say nothing. Like you, TS is one of the members I am interested in so I read and sometimes reply to his threads as well. There are others like TheRunningGirl and Its Her whose posts I enjoy and respect as well. TS presents a lot of interesting information that triggers thinking and the info is so detailed and difficult to debunk that it leads one to think that he (and yes, I also believe that the writing style is more indicative of a male than a female, but that's just me) may very well be an insider...but whether he is or not, the info provided is hard to ignore. I could never understand the negativity from some members towards him. I thought this forum was supposed to be all about L.O.V.E. My mother taught me a long time ago that if you haven't got anything good to say, it's better to say nothing at all. I think some of the energy and time that is spent spewing negativity and hate and trying to discredit TS could be better spent on something else that interests the member in question (IMHO). If you're so against TS then why read a thread by or about TS in the first place? *smh* I used to live for coming here but there seems to be a lot of anger and fighting on the forum lately and I think that may be contributing to my staying away from here over the last few weeks. Can't we all just get along?
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If TS is not a Virgo male than he is a woman for sure.
I can't see a man caring that much about MJ and being so organised to the point of perfection in his posts except of a Virgo man.
Oh.....I never met a gay all my life.....where I live there are no gay people, at least I never heard of any. I guess it's not trendy enough here :mrgreen:
Are they women-like, emotional and all that stuff? I have no clue :?
Are you serious or just kidding? :lol:
Why is it so hard to believe? I wasn't kidding. actually I am quite curious to meet such a person.
I've never met any, nor the people I know met any....
I lived in a few places during my life and nowhere I met any :?
I know it is hard for you to believe but this is the truth :?
Can't explain to myself why here they don't seem to exist
May be you met some, but did not tell you about their private life, as you don´t go and tell them yours ;) Would be weird don´t you think? -"Hey, I am Gina and I am eterosexual" :)
Gay does not equal to wearing a pink wig and scream in platform heels hysterically so one gets noticed.
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I know this isn't the most important thing but don't you wonder who TS...who is close enough to MJ that he would tell all this to...it is a possibility TS is MJ.
All possibilities are open, as TS won't reveal his identity. But something tells me some people already know who TS is.
All TS work is directed into strengthen our belief that Michael is alive. I don't think TS was taking all that time to put the hoax clues in some logical order and present them in a clean manner to the believers just for fun.
Even my dear BFF BlackJack told me to read TS if I ever have doubts....how ironic
Well, do you make any conection between BJ and TS?
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I don't know Gema...is there any connection?
I was just remembering how BlackJack was so very convinced of the hoax and gave me this friendly advice to read TS :? ...the post is still there, in one of those locked threads :?
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I remember BJ´s last letter to hoaxers and seemed to be laughing at numerology, so I don´t undertand what did she advice you to read in TS´s posts to find out whats about the hoax.
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yeah that's strange isn't it, but she did. It's somewhere in the reeducation thread or hoax within a hoax, I don't remember exactly.
About that last post, I have to check what BJ said about numerology, I don't remember exactly....
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Found it:
GINAFELICIA wrote:
But he is not dead, right ?
Ginafelicia, I am 100% confident that he is ALIVE. It is good advice to re-read TS's posts and remember that there are MORE clues that MJ is alive than there is 'evidence' that he is not. Time and patience is the key!!
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If BlackJack is TS I will be more confused by that than I ever have about anything in my life. Ever. :D
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Who says BlackJack is TS :lol: ?
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GINAFELICIA wrote:
Who says BlackJack is TS ?
BlackJack is TS, :?: I think not :mrgreen:
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Of course not...
There's difficult to know for sure who's who around here.
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Of course not...
There's difficult to know for sure who's who around here.
I absolutely agree.
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I'm more then a little paranoid these days. How about you?
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I heard that some of the ones who used to believe TS' credibility and then left the forum, spread around the rumor that TS is Badkolo. :roll:
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I heard that some of the ones who used to believe TS' credibility and then left the forum, spread around the rumor that TS is Badkolo. :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Omg I just peed myself I laughed so hard.
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Geez. I'm still sticking with Marlon.
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Geez. I'm still sticking with Marlon.
Same here. ;)
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I heard that some of the ones who used to believe TS' credibility and then left the forum, spread around the rumor that TS is Badkolo. :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Omg I just peed myself I laughed so hard.
Just curious...because you seem so sure. How do you know it's not? And please share what is so funny because I'd love to laugh about it too. Blessings :)
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Yes really what's so funny?
2 suspect people posted or messaged at the same hours 8-) 8-) 8-) they know who they are. They are one and the same, in fact they are ONE.
Adressing to that ONE: You are smart, you are very smart 8-) But some things you just can't control
Have a nice week in hoaxland everybody :mrgreen:
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Yes really what's so funny?
2 suspect people posted or messaged at the same hours 8-) 8-) 8-) they know who they are. They are one and the same, in fact they are ONE.
Adressing to that ONE: You are smart, you are very smart 8-) But some things you just can't control
Have a nice week in hoaxland everybody :mrgreen:
Who are you talking about? 2 suspect people? One is TS I think you refer to and the other one is? Many people post at the same time. How does it show that they're the same person?
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The other one is....the other one...I can't tell, as people already believe I am crazy.
There is this similarity about the hours they were on the forum....could be a coincidence of course.
Sorry......my head is a mess, I don't trust my own shadow
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The other one is....the other one...I can't tell, as people already believe I am crazy.
There is this similarity about the hours they were on the forum....could be a coincidence of course.
Sorry......my head is a mess, I don't trust my own shadow
ok ok I was on the forum when TS posted. Let me confess everyone. I AM TS!!! When I want to post through PureLove I pretend myself like my first language is not English and make grammatical mistakes on purpose. :lol:
Just kidding Gina. Of course it doesn't mean the people who post at the same time are the same people. Everyone seems confused lately. You are not alone about that. :)
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It's not only about the hours they were on the forum, there is more.......
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
I don't mind you jocking, in fact it's good, even if you come and say you are TS I won't believe it :lol:
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Maybe TS is an FBI agent, his preparation assignment was to spend 5 years learning everything about the man to really get inside his head. And he just got a little carried away since MJ's so fascinating. :lol: Then the operation was carried out June 25, MJ in Witness program. But then why on earth would TS then start leaking clues about it, and risk getting fired. Is he still working undercover to see how much information people have about MJ's whereabouts so he can safely stay hidden. The more we know, the more strange it is. :?
Bec, can you tell a little bit about Badkolo so we know why he's so unlikely to be TS?
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Maybe TS is an FBI agent
Why not? Conducting some sort of experiment.... We felt like rats in the lab many times, at least I did
noooooo......this is crazy.....but there's something suspect anyway......sometimes I feel like we are building the traps ourselves, like those people sentenced to death who were forced to dig their graves themselves
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I ask this in this TS thread, let´s see who answers.
How come that TS is able to have 2 accounts? TS and TS_comments?, the rest of members are not allowed to have more than one account. What am I missing?
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Gema I think it's been alluded to a few times in the past that TS might well have other usernames he posts under here, I suppose the only ones who would know for sure are the admins as they'll know the IP addresses. I don't have a problem with him having more than one account. If people wanted to create multiple accounts they'd find a way to do so, like posting from another location or whatever. In my case my daughter and I both are members yet we obviously share an IP address and I know a few others with similar family connections here, so if two accounts from the same IP address were automatically banned then that wouldn't have been allowed. Of course that's not the same as an individual creating two separate personas, but TS isn't doing that. He's still TS and I don't think there's any cause for concern. I know some here think that favouritism goes on where he's concerned but I don't think he's done anything to warrant mistrust or resentment. People can take him or leave him, trust him or not. Up to the individual! ;)
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My question is mostly to know if TS is the same than TS_comments. May be we are talking to another person who is not the one who created the re-directs. We have had some trolling in the past. Remember that "lipping lizzard"?. It gave clues that made some sense somehow and at the end his/her intentions were not the best.
IDK if you understand what I mean :lol:
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My question is mostly to know if TS is the same than TS_comments. May be we are talking to another person who is not the one who created the re-directs. We have had some trolling in the past. Remember that "lipping lizzard"?. It gave clues that made some sense somehow and at the end his/her intentions were not the best.
IDK if you understand what I mean :lol:
TS told us that he would post comments and redirect to them:
"Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point."
viewtopic.php?f=0&t=16148&p=274421#p274421 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=16148&p=274421#p274421)
Redirect from TS to TS_comments: viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17700 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17700)
Is it what you meant?
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My question is mostly to know if TS is the same than TS_comments. May be we are talking to another person who is not the one who created the re-directs. We have had some trolling in the past. Remember that "lipping lizzard"?. It gave clues that made some sense somehow and at the end his/her intentions were not the best.
IDK if you understand what I mean :lol:
TS told us that he would post comments and redirect to them:
"Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it). But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point."
viewtopic.php?f=0&t=16148&p=274421#p274421 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=16148&p=274421#p274421)
Redirect from TS to TS_comments: viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17700 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=17700)
Is it what you meant?
Thanks Sarahli! Bringing light, as usual :lol:
I missed Souza´s post in that thread:
I am very certain that TS_comments is TS. Of course because TS himself redirects to the post and also because I manually activate the accounts now because of all the spammers lately and therefore TS asked me if I could activate the new account in PM. So it's definitely TS.
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LOL Gema :lol: I have not seen her post either.
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:lol: :lol:
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
hmmmmmmmmmm.......so we're all following a mad man ?
OK, why you say this?
You think TS has more than 2 accounts ?
Or you meant this as a joke?
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
The more the merrier!
Again: I know FOR SURE that TS is TS_comments. TS asked me to activate the account, the IP addresses match and www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) is redirecting to TS_comments. How much more do you need?
And yes, TS can have two accounts. He probably has a reason for it and he was so nice to ASK me. Why is that such an issue? Do you want more than one account? Why? Is that necessary? I don't think so. For TS apparently was necessary, plus he nicely asked and promised not to sell viagra, so he can have two accounts. I don't see the problem, but if some of you have a problem with it, you can rant in here: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198) but don't expect me to reply.
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I must ask this. Why is it used in this forum mental disorders with negative connotations when refearing to member actions?
@Souza,
The more the merrier!
That´s a positive approach anyway.
Of course I wonder why one member has 2 accounts after reading the dynamics of the forum for so long.
I don´t see the problem in asking for clarity at all. You have the right to not answer and I do have the right to ask if in doubt, don´t you agree? ;)
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I think TS wanted a new account for comments to not mix the comments with the updates
Falls in place with her super-organised presence here :mrgreen:
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
hmmmmmmmmmm.......so we're all following a mad man ?
OK, why you say this?
You think TS has more than 2 accounts ?
Or you meant this as a joke?
Could be a mad woman? :P
But no I didn't mean it as if 'TS' is crazy... just sometimes feels like it's more than one person adding to the posts. I don't mind if anyone has multiple accounts/names wasn't even thinking about that at all actually.
Carry on :ugeek:
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Lately I think it is a woman, but I don't know how mad she is. But maybe it's just a virgo male.
But maybe, as you say, it's a TS team, just like Sony has an MJ Team.
Carry on :lol: ?!
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
The more the merrier!
Again: I know FOR SURE that TS is TS_comments. TS asked me to activate the account, the IP addresses match and http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) is redirecting to TS_comments. How much more do you need?
And yes, TS can have two accounts. He probably has a reason for it and he was so nice to ASK me. Why is that such an issue? Do you want more than one account? Why? Is that necessary? I don't think so. For TS apparently was necessary, plus he nicely asked and promised not to sell viagra, so he can have two accounts. I don't see the problem, but if some of you have a problem with it, you can rant in here: viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=18198) but don't expect me to reply.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that's what he/she said? that made my day
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He said;-"I promise you, I would not sell viagra" :ugeek:
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He said;-"I promise you, I would not sell viagra" :ugeek:
But what is it that he/she sells? ;)
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He said;-"I promise you, I would not sell viagra" :ugeek:
But what is it that he/she sells? ;)
This is a good one
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TS suffers from multiple personality disorder
hmmmmmmmmmm.......so we're all following a mad man ?
OK, why you say this?
You think TS has more than 2 accounts ?
Or you meant this as a joke?
Could be a mad woman? :P
But no I didn't mean it as if 'TS' is crazy... just sometimes feels like it's more than one person adding to the posts. I don't mind if anyone has multiple accounts/names wasn't even thinking about that at all actually.
Carry on :ugeek:
This is kind of weird, for me, as I didn't know other people felt like a different person was adding "comments" in the one user name. I won't elaborate on how --you guys feel it, yourselves. But,
Well, what real difference does it make in public forum, as long as they ARE an agent authorized by MJ to say the things said? Even a great magician can't be everywhere at once...TS could very well have asked Souza nice for another account, under the same IP address, and she would NEVER know, if he doesn't choose to say, whether it is him only or MANY people on his staff, crafting comments there, as long as it is from the same IP.
I don't even have a problem with him/her being a madman or evil genius, as long as I am not being played for his amusement, like a cheap violin, as if I have no human heart. I don't give out my personal info, so even if he is a predator, he'll never find me.
But, PM is different. I wrote to someone here, in 2009, who, not only wrote differently, but was a different person, EVERY TIME they wrote to me. We weren't discussing the mysteries of Life or anything which will matter, even next year, but it mattered to me, and I wasted my TIME writing to someone who didn't only disregard that I may have had feelings (ASSuming I was too young to notice??), but passed me around the room, to anyone who wasn't other wise occupied. :(
When I PM someone, anyone, it is for friendly discussion, information, some laughs, and because I wanted to speak with someone interesting, off the grid. It is the loneliest feeling, to know THEY aren't there because they LEFT and I have been talking to myself.
But worse than that, is that, THEY seemed to want to talk to me, too. Each of the new strangers were nice enough---just...a stranger again. I didn't know what to do with this. No one can carry on a conversation like that!!
I indulged the whole gang, and played along for a while, to wait for the punchline,(or Candid Camera), but it NEVER came. :?
My mother told me not to waste my time writing to people I don't know (like celebrities), as little girls do, because all that mail is handled by staff. Mr. Wonderful is too busy. Some employee who hates their job, (cuz Mr. W. doesn't have time for them, either), signs and sends the studio pix out to fans.
But, I didn't believe my mom. :oops: Someone with :roll: :P those kind eyes wouldn't give my love letter to some goon! So I sent him a poem. (No, it wasn't MJ---he scared the $#@! out of me then, showing his teeth in some primal scream, all those Biker buckles, and shaking it. Intimidating overrode Cute. At THAT time. :roll: )
Anyway, I wasn't even asking for anything, but some stranger sent me a fugly hat. Not even a note. This was cold. And it felt just like this every time a different person PMd me from that account, in 2009, which I am telling you about...
Like I was being patronized.
Now, I said all that, just to remind you, that you never know who you are talking to, especially in PM, where you are alone with your new friend. It could be the media, and as of today, I realize even FBI, watching this site. Yeah, that long ago, FBI---except I swear two of the false friend responses I got were young men. The whole incident was bizarre. And creepy. Just saying.
So, like I said, I don't care if TS or MJ or anyone else has seven twisted personalities, and as many accounts publicly. Everyone is masked on the Internet, we have NO expectation of honesty here. And this IS some kind of a game, out here. So, I don't think it matters, except in PM. Have fun and Be Safe.
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@ItsHer........
I have a problem with people opening more than one account and acting like they are another person.
Why would they do it, except for playing and deceiving ? Oh, or verifying informations ......
It's too much for me.
Now I became paranoid enough to start thinking that maybe we are watched not only by TMZ (who probvably have a very good time seeing our comments on their articles) but maybe by FBI too.
:talking to Michael's ghost: what you did to me Michael ?!?!?!??!?!?!
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He said;-"I promise you, I would not sell viagra" :ugeek:
But what is it that he/she sells? ;)
Not viagra in this forum, that´s for sure :lol:
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But, PM is different. I wrote to someone here, in 2009, who, not only wrote differently, but was a different person, EVERY TIME they wrote to me. We weren't discussing the mysteries of Life or anything which will matter, even next year, but it mattered to me, and I wasted my TIME writing to someone who didn't only disregard that I may have had feelings (ASSuming I was too young to notice??), but passed me around the room, to anyone who wasn't other wise occupied. :(
I also got pm´s. In my case, they were asking me things that I could not give answers to. Some made no sense and I wondered why they contacted me and asked me. I guess those people asked many members the same questions as well.
Also I remember pm´s from now banned members which I believe was the same person but using different alias.
When I PM someone, anyone, it is for friendly discussion, information, some laughs, and because I wanted to speak with someone interesting, off the grid. It is the loneliest feeling, to know THEY aren't there because they LEFT and I have been talking to myself.
But worse than that, is that, THEY seemed to want to talk to me, too. Each of the new strangers were nice enough---just...a stranger again. I didn't know what to do with this. No one can carry on a conversation like that!!
I indulged the whole gang, and played along for a while, to wait for the punchline,(or Candid Camera), but it NEVER came. :?
Do you mean that the member you chatted with are not here any longer?
Now, I said all that, just to remind you, that you never know who you are talking to, especially in PM, where you are alone with your new friend. It could be the media, and as of today, I realize even FBI, watching this site. Yeah, that long ago, FBI---except I swear two of the false friend responses I got were young men. The whole incident was bizarre. And creepy. Just saying.
Sorry to hear that. It could have been worst. I know about some members who were lied in such a way that some got almost depressed and their lifes could have been taken extreme directions.
The people pretending to be MJ had no limits nor mercy with those they chatted with.
I can tell that I tried myself to help them, but they were not willing to tell me where they met in chats or the email addresses of "MJ". At this point, idk if they didn´t to "keep the romance for themselves" and avoid competition or because the fake MJ was manipulative enough to put people against each other. However, the fakers were not wise enough either and at the end were traceable by other people who were more attentive.
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What? :o Are you saying people pretending to be MJ have PMd members? I'm floored, and obviously very naive - why would someone even think of doing such a mean thing?
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What? :o Are you saying people pretending to be MJ have PMd members? I'm floored, and obviously very naive - why would someone even think of doing such a mean thing?
IDK if they pm´d here, but some members did leave the door open to "what if" after some chat sessions with "PIM" as an example. PIM is no longer a member.
My post was an observation of how things have been between fans since MJ "died". Many people gathered around and played with each other. It became a fashion to be MJ, steal identities, avatars, alias, even IP´s and create chaos in general. Some people even hacked in to each others systems or emails.
This made me think about MJ´s world, the fan community and I understood clearly why Michael would trust less and less people around him.
Not only he had leeches in the real world, looks like the virtual world was not as safe either.
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But, PM is different. I wrote to someone here, in 2009, who, not only wrote differently, but was a different person, EVERY TIME they wrote to me. We weren't discussing the mysteries of Life or anything which will matter, even next year, but it mattered to me, and I wasted my TIME writing to someone who didn't only disregard that I may have had feelings (ASSuming I was too young to notice??), but passed me around the room, to anyone who wasn't other wise occupied. :(
I also got pm´s. In my case, they were asking me things that I could not give answers to. Some made no sense and I wondered why they contacted me and asked me. I guess those people asked many members the same questions as well.
What kinds of questions which you couldn't answer? About the hoax?
That is bizarre, especially since everyone here is free to speak their minds all over here, out in the open...why would someone quiz you privately? Sounds like time for the snake alert siren! :lol:
Also I remember pm´s from now banned members which I believe was the same person but using different alias.
Well...I think people are banned for being MJ haters or hurters. The real MJ probably has people reading here, and they KNOW the fakers are not him, so they tell the Admin. and Mods. Gong! Banned. :P If MJ, himself were here, lurking under a bunch of fake names, how would Admin. know who to ban as fake? :?
Do you mean that the member you chatted with are not here any longer?
Yes, none of them are here. They were finished in 2009. They may be, as you say, pretending to be MJ with other fans here, under a new name---but I didn't get that impression myself. The first responder was very nice, I thought, a lady. She said she could not say if she knew MJ or if he was alive. I said I didn't care, I know he is alive. The next person who wrote to me, acted as if the truth was all out, MJ is alive, but this writer can't tell me anything else, except he can't come back because of all those suicides over him. :roll: Those suicides were as bogus as his own death.
When I said "creepy" before, I meant that these felt to me like they were spys from the press, trying to feel me out. I never got the impression any of them were MJ. Anyway, he CAN'T come here and PM people. He is supposed to be dead. ;) He's running a huge :shock: Hoax, and now we hear he may be involved in something really scary and tricky---requiring all his concentration... :o
And why would he PM girls here, when last we heard he was mussing up TWO women in the back of a car :P ? A lot of girls on the site want to hope or believe they are or have been speaking with him, but, I think it is just more Michael Jackson smoke and mirrors. He's playing to "Hope springs eternal...and all that". He KNOWS how to get to a gal. He is a shameless flirt. One has only to watch him on stage to know he is dangerous. :lol:
The internet is the perfect medium in which to be taken advantage of.
I can tell that I tried myself to help them, but they were not willing to tell me where they met in chats or the email addresses of "MJ". At this point, idk if they didn´t to "keep the romance for themselves" and avoid competition or because the fake MJ was manipulative enough to put people against each other. However, the fakers were not wise enough either and at the end were traceable by other people who were more attentive.
You can't keep romance to yourself. :) Your joy oozes out of every pore. If someone is asking you to lay low, and keep your relationship a secret, he's doing the SAME thing with another girl---probably five of them, and he does not want y'all to get together! :lol:
:roll: I HOPE none of the :geek: investigators here are that silly. :?
Snake alert, snake alert, SNAKE ALERT :!:
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The questions were about some members I never heard about and also asking me how to crack a password :lol: I mean, little moi :lol: the only thing I can crack are nuts and and not even that :lol: I buy them shell free.
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The questions were about some members I never heard about and also asking me how to crack a password :lol: I mean, little moi :lol: the only thing I can crack are nuts and and not even that :lol: I buy them shell free.
:lol: :lol:
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The questions were about some members I never heard about and also asking me how to crack a password :lol: I mean, little moi :lol: the only thing I can crack are nuts and and not even that :lol: I buy them shell free.
Gema, THAT is SOOOOOOOOO darn CREEPY. :? Did you ever ask Souza about this, or report them? Perhaps they were just playing with your head, because you appear to be so smart here, and they wanted to shake you up, or scare you? Or, maybe someone testing your trustworthiness? When I first came here, people would ask me privately, who I was, if I was "so and so" on another forum, etc. Anonymity makes people paranoid sometimes. And it should, at least make us cautious. :|
But,THAT is really creepy, Gema. :shock: Sheeesh!
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The questions were about some members I never heard about and also asking me how to crack a password :lol: I mean, little moi :lol: the only thing I can crack are nuts and and not even that :lol: I buy them shell free.
Gema, THAT is SOOOOOOOOO darn CREEPY. :? Did you ever ask Souza about this, or report them? Perhaps they were just playing with your head, because you appear to be so smart here, and they wanted to shake you up, or scare you? Or, maybe someone testing your trustworthiness? When I first came here, people would ask me privately, who I was, if I was "so and so" on another forum, etc. Anonymity makes people paranoid sometimes. And it should, at least make us cautious. :|
But,THAT is really creepy, Gema. :shock: Sheeesh!
huh wonder if that could be a way of getting a person to slip up and reveal their own password?
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*Makes circular motions with left hand while knocking on the wall with his right*
Now that you're all distracted, what are your passwords??
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Perhaps they were just playing with your head, because you appear to be so smart here, and they wanted to shake you up, or scare you? Or, maybe someone testing your trustworthiness?
I mentioned many times how hopeless I am with computers, so the smart guess is not part of the plan. To me, their reasons still reminds as a mystery. Surely, I was not the right person to contact.
When I first came here, people would ask me privately, who I was, if I was "so and so" on another forum, etc. Anonymity makes people paranoid sometimes. And it should, at least make us cautious. :|
But,THAT is really creepy, Gema. :shock: Sheeesh!
I guess that all the trolling around is what makes people not to trust who is behind the screen.
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*Makes circular motions with left hand while knocking on the wall with his right*
Now that you're all distracted, what are your passwords??
What´s yours dear? (http://www.myemoticons.com/images/super-smileys/jumbo/baddies/hypnotic.gif)
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are you guys laughing at me :evil: :oops: or with me :lol: ;)
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WITH you (http://www.smileystar.com/emoticons/msn-love-emoticons/smiley-kiss.gif)
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are you guys laughing at me :evil: :oops: or with me :lol: ;)
I wasn't laughing---until that (hysterical)"hypnotist" Emoticon came up. I think you could be right!! (To trick people into giving up THEIR password, and gain access to the site completely anonymously, without even Admin. knowing who they are.)
Aw man! Why do people think up and be creepy in the middle of a fun place? :roll:
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wowowowow what a huge and detailed post!!! I can't wait for the group to get ahold of this info. To me, I'm now wondering how much of TS info got to be correct. How they seemed to have inside info and actually be correct. You obviously did A LOT of work here, so thank you. Tell me how you think that TS's observations ended up being right so often. I'm NOT saying I ever once believed "him", but it did "appear" to come off as right a lot.
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Thank you for all the information.
If we see the hours when TS usually posts - he had to be US located.
Were you in the chatroom when he was there so you could see his ip?
All is based on that IP isn't it?
What if someone else joined the chatroom pretending to be TS?
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are you guys laughing at me :evil: :oops: or with me :lol: ;)
I wasn't laughing---until that (hysterical)"hypnotist" Emoticon came up. I think you could be right!! (To trick people into giving up THEIR password, and gain access to the site completely anonymously, without even Admin. knowing who they are.)
Aw man! Why do people think up and be creepy in the middle of a fun place? :roll:
Gema and her smiley's keep me in stiches too :lol:
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Hi Serenity. That was a very long and detailed post.
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Thank you xGuestx for such informative post! :D
So if you think that this ITS company could be behind TS/TS_comments/S.T.U.D.Y/TIAI, can i please know your point of view on WHY would they actually do this? Why would they care about relatively small group of people who believe that Michael is alive? What will get from fooling us?
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Wait a minute!! How is a guest able to post on this thread???? I thought guests were only supposed to be able to post in the guest thread? Or am I a wrong?
TS: A True Informer Or... Part 3 The ip address which was posted as TS logged out of the MJHDI chat room when the forum had been hacked: 38.96.65.28
http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp (http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp)
Longitude: 39.04141 Lattitude: -77.48102
Address across the street from the location
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Wait a minute!! How is a guest able to post on this thread???? I thought guests were only supposed to be able to post in the guest thread? Or am I a wrong?
yes right, can a guest post anywhere on the forum?
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That is Serenitys Dream. I think her username was changed to guest when she was banned.
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That is Serenitys Dream. I think her username was changed to guest when she was banned.
Postby xGuestx » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:14 pm
The guest made the post today. Serenity was banned long ago, not today. I'm also wondering how a guest can make a post on this thread?
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Oh. I guess i should have noticed that.
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This thread is a global announcement which is also available in the Guest section so I imagine that's how a guest is able to post.
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@xGuestx Thank you for your long post, please therefore can you answer the following?
First of all, how did you get an IP address of a member that was on this forum? Can any member get an IP address from any other member?
Secondly the IP address finder website itself said the IP location was not accurate, eg a US address can be in Canada. I looked up my IP address and where it is on the google map and believe me, my location is about 150 miles away across the English Channel from where it said.
http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp (http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp)
http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&biw=11 (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&biw=11) ... CBYQ8gEwAA
Thirdly I would have thought that it is possible that TS, if he is an "insider" would be likely to hide his IP address, so that snoopers and computer hackers can't find him. Same goes for a fake insider
Fourthly - it is possible that in your post you are jumping to conclusions about someone who happens to own an engineering company that is across the road from the IP address
That "DASH" ( - ) is almost like a signature and can be found throughout TS' posts on MJHDI...
What DASH are you meaning?
Many thanks in advance of your reply
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My mother uses (-) and (--) in her emails to me and I guarantee she ain't TS.
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That was Serenity. The same post is in her blog too. Or someone read the blog and posted it here. I wish Serenity wasted her time to debunk the info TS has given instead of trying to debunk his identity and his possible relation with the Jacksons. That could be useful then. http://xxserenityxdreamsxx.blogspot.com ... art-2.html (http://xxserenityxdreamsxx.blogspot.com/2011/03/ts-true-informer-or-part-2.html)
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What did SD that was so bad? I don't know what happened here with her :?
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SD, you really need to get a life girl. It's getting pathetic. I will post the same here as I posted on MJHD and delete your post, since I do not want people's personal info posted on here.
Are you seriously posting people's personal information based on a theory? Names, address, IP and all?
Just type in the IP in another tracking program and you get a completely different address, belonging to other people. Do you want to post their info as well? http://www.ip-adress.com (http://www.ip-adress.com)
I reported this post, this is uncalled for. Think before you act, you are most likely dealing with a proxy server and putting up people's personal information on a site they probably don't even want to be associated with, let alone with their address and names mentioned.
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Thank you xGuestx for such informative post! :D
So if you think that this ITS company could be behind TS/TS_comments/S.T.U.D.Y/TIAI, can i please know your point of view on WHY would they actually do this? Why would they care about relatively small group of people who believe that Michael is alive? What will get from fooling us?
Good questions!
Yes thanks SD, if that is you! However I don't see that this info makes TS harmful or not part of Michael's camp. MJ always hires the very best/cutting edge. I've always felt that TS was a trained math and logic expert, so this doesn't surprise me too much. Perhaps TS will post some rebuttal to this, that would be great.
by Gema » Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:30 am
The questions were about some members I never heard about and also asking me how to crack a password I mean, little moi the only thing I can crack are nuts and and not even that I buy them shell free.
You always make me smile! Thanks! :lol:
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huh what a ride!
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This thread is a global announcement which is also available in the Guest section so I imagine that's how a guest is able to post.
Thank you, Andrea. I just feel like we've been invaded by so many guests on here. I feel like I hardly recognize anyone on here any more.
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Does have TS something to do with Frank Dileo?? :?
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To start with, how come people´s ip´s are shown in the chat? :evil:
Some people know how to fake ip addresses with malicious intentions. Any of us could have been a target.
And second, I doubt Serenity had the chance to post anything at all. She can´t, she was banned.
However, the post written in the blog makes a lot of sense. Serenity´s researches are always very informative and i am sure that her intentions when writing the post were not bad, on the contrary, she shares info making clear that TS could be a random person having nothing to do with MJ, as many of us think.
She is not trashing TS, she just wrote, in resume, that TS is not a direct link to Michael and that his theories are just that, theories.
Also, let me remind you, that Serenity was pro-TS and followed his updates.
For some members, questions started popping up since MO left and those are still not answered, this i believe is the cause for people to start researching by their own.
More clarity and direct answers could avoid situations of this nature.
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Just for the record, getting banned and deactivated accounts are two different things. People can't log into the forum if Souza bans them on their IPs. Serenity was not banned but her account was deactivated so she could still log in and post on the forum. Her post doesn't make any sense to me at all and to me it's not too hard to understand the intention behind this post of her. Anyone can think that TS is not an insider but why need to bother trying to find out who he really is? I personally do not care where the info comes from but I do care what the info is.
We do not know if she found the right IP and she is writing about these people yet she can not be sure they're the ones behind TS. Disrespectful to those peoples' private lives. None of our business to which church they go to etc. This is more like an intention to put TS and this forum especially Souza in a bad light. If she was trying to help people seeing that TS is not an insider, I wish she tried to debunk the info TS has given and TS' connection with Sony and TMZ. Finding out random people's IPs and throwing out their personal info without backing up your claim is disrespectful, useless and such a waste of time, not only for the one who writes it but also for the ones who reads it.
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I don't like what's going on.
First Mo, now Serenity....who to believe anymore?
People were so good friends in the hoaxland and now many are almost enemies. What the hell happened here?! Are the non-believers right?!
I don't understand where we are going to.
I don't want this hoax journey to end, I want to learn the truth finally.
We spend here so much time, we builded here so many hopes and dreams.....wouldn't it be a SHAME everything to end in dissapointement?
Now I'm thinking of Michael, what would he say about people left behind on the hoax road, I'm thinkin that maybe he would be sad to see us this way.
And thinking about TS.
TS is smart, well trained and funny. I don't rememeber if he ever said he is an insider.
Maybe he said it, but I don't remember what update it was and I don't have time to search for it.
But let's be honest and say we've all followed TIAI with excitement, what a show, almost an adventure!! What an idea, these redirects!!
I am glad it happened.
Time will tell if it was all a big joke or conditioning or mind game or a hoax within a hoax within a hoax.... I don't know yet but one thing is certain: truth ALWAYS prevails.
ALWAYS.
One thing won't change: dear Michael, we love you and we support you always. I wish I could hug you and tell you how beautiful you are and thank you for everything that you did to be a better person yourself and inspire others to be better persons as well.
I love you forever, dead or alive, nothing is changed......
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I just wanted to say something about TS as a new member of the hoax :)
I really really regret that i missed the beginning of TIAI redirects, the adventure you guys went through must be amazing and at the same time very difficult emotionally and physically too, because trying to solve TS's puzzles ain't easy :lol: When i was reading all of his updates and TIAI Revealed my head was spinning around whilst exploding at the same time, it was waaaaaayyyy tooooooo much information :lol: plus i couldn't just read it, i had to check if it the info was accurate... i think it took me at least 2 weeks of constant reading with short breaks to sleep (by the way thank you TS and Michael i've lost so much wait, i'm in a perfect shape right now :D) My main point is that it really DOESN'T matter who TS is: Michael Jackson, one of his brothers or all of them together, or someone hired by Michael or his friend, or a believer as we all are. The important thing is the INFORMATION he helped us to find, the hoax members here are very smart and talented they could have done it without his help, but he made it a little bit easier and more exiting with his predictions.
Here is his quote from TIAI update 6.5:
"Let me make it clear that I do not expect people to gullibly believe anything and everything I say, merely because of the predictions. Please accept or reject what I say based on the reliability of the information itself; this is what I have always said. If I signed up with various usernames—and posted information using various writing styles, so that people would not recognize me—the information should be assessed on the exact same basis as my posts under the username TS.
Some have commented on my predictions, saying that I have a “need” to prove my authenticity. But again, the reason for the predictions is not for you to merely believe everything I say; rather, it is for when I reveal my identity—to help people believe what I say about myself at that time. Some would believe me now if I revealed this, but some would not."
Thank you TS, whoever you are!!! :D And i hope that you are doing well, people miss you around here :)
It's all for L.O.V.E!
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I don't like what's going on.
First Mo, now Serenity....who to believe anymore?
People were so good friends in the hoaxland and now many are almost enemies. What the hell happened here?! Are the non-believers right?!
I don't understand where we are going to.
I don't want this hoax journey to end, I want to learn the truth finally.
We spend here so much time, we builded here so many hopes and dreams.....wouldn't it be a SHAME everything to end in dissapointement?
Now I'm thinking of Michael, what would he say about people left behind on the hoax road, I'm thinkin that maybe he would be sad to see us this way.
And thinking about TS.
TS is smart, well trained and funny. I don't rememeber if he ever said he is an insider.
Maybe he said it, but I don't remember what update it was and I don't have time to search for it.
But let's be honest and say we've all followed TIAI with excitement, what a show, almost an adventure!! What an idea, these redirects!!
I am glad it happened.
Time will tell if it was all a big joke or conditioning or mind game or a hoax within a hoax within a hoax.... I don't know yet but one thing is certain: truth ALWAYS prevails.
ALWAYS.
One thing won't change: dear Michael, we love you and we support you always. I wish I could hug you and tell you how beautiful you are and thank you for everything that you did to be a better person yourself and inspire others to be better persons as well.
I love you forever, dead or alive, nothing is changed......
Reminds me of Inception; a dream within a dream within a dream.
As we near to the end I think it's only going to get harder. I guess it has to before it gets easier.
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To start with, how come people´s ip´s are shown in the chat? :evil:
Some people know how to fake ip addresses with malicious intentions. Any of us could have been a target.
And second, I doubt Serenity had the chance to post anything at all. She can´t, she was banned.
However, the post written in the blog makes a lot of sense. Serenity´s researches are always very informative and i am sure that her intentions when writing the post were not bad, on the contrary, she shares info making clear that TS could be a random person having nothing to do with MJ, as many of us think.
She is not trashing TS, she just wrote, in resume, that TS is not a direct link to Michael and that his theories are just that, theories.
Also, let me remind you, that Serenity was pro-TS and followed his updates.
For some members, questions started popping up since MO left and those are still not answered, this i believe is the cause for people to start researching by their own.
More clarity and direct answers could avoid situations of this nature.
The old chat showed IP's, that is why there is a new one now since people didn't feel comfortable with it.
SD simply got an IP from someone logged in as TS, who could have been ANYONE, since anyone could log in with whatever they wanted, you didn't have to register. Based on that she posted people's personal info, while her tracking system is showing a complete different location than the 3 tracking systems I used. Therefore her complete post is based on nothing, with info from people who most likely don't want to find their info on a forum like this.
It is also pretty stupid to assume that we all know who Mike's friends are. He knows people all around the world. So if TS is someone we have never heard of, it doesn't mean that he does not know Mike. If TS is someone we do know, he probably wouldn't post under his own IP address. I can tell you that TS posts with more than 1 IP address, so where does that leave SD's post, besides the fact that her location is off? I assume everyone has heard of proxy servers.
Also, when I trace my own real IP, I live miles away from where I really live, so even real IP's are not accurate.
Like PureLove said, if SD or anyone else wants to debunk TS, they should debunk the info, but no one even got close.
And Gema, if you want to know why Mo left, you should contact her. I am done with her and really don't feel like explaining. I started this forum in July 2009 without her, and I am continuing it without her. If anyone has a problem with that, ask Mo to start a new forum, because I can assure you she won't be involved with this one anymore. I have my reasons for that.
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Great post Kristina4LOVE and thanks for the clarification Souza, as I hadn't fully understood before.
Don't you think it's pretty coincidental that TS needs to leave us for a week or two, right at Elizabeth's death and Frank's hospital scare. Or did he deliberately plan for us to think that way .
TS- Sorry, circumstances have taken me away from much attention here recently. Will be back soon.
That is the first time he has ever indicated a time frame in which he would visit us. In the past he just showed up randomly whenever he felt like it, although there was special days that he would chose. In this case it would have probably been better for him not to have said anything, since now we wonder why "soon" is taking more than a week.
If we already believe MJ's alive and in the hoax, then whether TS is an insider or not isn't as important. If everything he says is backed up with evidence and eventually after the trial, etc. his words will be shown to be accurate, then our following his direction will be vindicated. I still have seen no red flags.
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I started this forum in July 2009 without her, and I am continuing it without her. If anyone has a problem with that, ask Mo to start a new forum, because I can assure you she won't be involved with this one anymore. I have my reasons for that.
Then how is it possible that you have the following information under yout Avatar? :? :?
Posts: 5761
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:29 am
Sorry for asking... :oops:
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I started this forum in July 2009 without her, and I am continuing it without her. If anyone has a problem with that, ask Mo to start a new forum, because I can assure you she won't be involved with this one anymore. I have my reasons for that.
Then how is it possible that you have the following information under yout Avatar? :? :?
Posts: 5761
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:29 am
Sorry for asking... :oops:
It is the date that the template for this forum was created. It has nothing to do with my joining date.
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So this site was created before MJ died for MJ...forgive me if I'm wrong.
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The site was created before MJ died but of course it wasn't about the hoax when it was created.
Is there another logical explanation?
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I started this forum in July 2009 without her, and I am continuing it without her. If anyone has a problem with that, ask Mo to start a new forum, because I can assure you she won't be involved with this one anymore. I have my reasons for that.
Then how is it possible that you have the following information under yout Avatar? :? :?
Posts: 5761
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:29 am
Sorry for asking... :oops:
It is the date that the template for this forum was created. It has nothing to do with my joining date.
Ahaa... thanks for your explanation :)
I had to check in Wikipedia what "template" means... :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template
Template may mean:
a stencil, pattern or overlay used in graphic arts (drawing, painting, etc) and sewing to replicate letters, shapes or designs
a pre-developed page layout in electronic or paper media used to make new pages with a similar design, pattern, or style
Form letter, a predefined letter which retains its primary intent when individually customised with variable data or text.
[edit] Computer science and information technologyTemplate (file format), a standardized non-executable file type used by computer software as a pre-formatted example on which to base other files, especially documents
Template (programming), a tool for generic programming especially in the C++ language
Template metaprogramming, a programming technique used by a compiler to generate temporary source code
Template method, an object-oriented design pattern
Template (software engineering), any processing element that can be combined with a data model and processed by a template engine to produce a result document
Template (word processing), a standard document containing layout and styles used to configure word processing software
Style sheet (web development) or master page on which you can globally edit and format graphic elements and text common to each page of a document
Web template, a master page used to produce web pages
A main document from which mail merge documents are created
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So this site was created before MJ died for MJ...forgive me if I'm wrong.
No, not the site or the forum itself, but the template of the forum, the colors and fonts etc. which were made by someone who uploaded that template to phpbb3, so that others can download it and use it for their own forum.
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It's ALL for L.O.V.E. ;)
It's a great adventure...there's nothing to be scared of... 8-)
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To start with, how come people´s ip´s are shown in the chat? :evil:
Some people know how to fake ip addresses with malicious intentions. Any of us could have been a target.
And second, I doubt Serenity had the chance to post anything at all. She can´t, she was banned.
However, the post written in the blog makes a lot of sense. Serenity´s researches are always very informative and i am sure that her intentions when writing the post were not bad, on the contrary, she shares info making clear that TS could be a random person having nothing to do with MJ, as many of us think.
She is not trashing TS, she just wrote, in resume, that TS is not a direct link to Michael and that his theories are just that, theories.
Also, let me remind you, that Serenity was pro-TS and followed his updates.
For some members, questions started popping up since MO left and those are still not answered, this i believe is the cause for people to start researching by their own.
More clarity and direct answers could avoid situations of this nature.
The old chat showed IP's, that is why there is a new one now since people didn't feel comfortable with it.
SD simply got an IP from someone logged in as TS, who could have been ANYONE, since anyone could log in with whatever they wanted, you didn't have to register. Based on that she posted people's personal info, while her tracking system is showing a complete different location than the 3 tracking systems I used. Therefore her complete post is based on nothing, with info from people who most likely don't want to find their info on a forum like this.
It is also pretty stupid to assume that we all know who Mike's friends are. He knows people all around the world. So if TS is someone we have never heard of, it doesn't mean that he does not know Mike. If TS is someone we do know, he probably wouldn't post under his own IP address. I can tell you that TS posts with more than 1 IP address, so where does that leave SD's post, besides the fact that her location is off? I assume everyone has heard of proxy servers.
Also, when I trace my own real IP, I live miles away from where I really live, so even real IP's are not accurate.
Like PureLove said, if SD or anyone else wants to debunk TS, they should debunk the info, but no one even got close.
And Gema, if you want to know why Mo left, you should contact her. I am done with her and really don't feel like explaining. I started this forum in July 2009 without her, and I am continuing it without her. If anyone has a problem with that, ask Mo to start a new forum, because I can assure you she won't be involved with this one anymore. I have my reasons for that.
Still, Serenity´s research looks accurate somehow at some points of her posts which fits with TS´s "profile". Religious people-with higher education-security/camera/surveilance expertise.
Even if I don´t agree with posting people´s private info (any kind) I can´t see Serinity´s intentions as bad or "trying to show TS on a bad light". She is not talking bad or trashing the group she talks about.
It could be the wrong people but they could be the right ones as well and if they are, a lot of things would make sense. If this group is connected with camera surveilance and if something really happened in MJ´s room, those missing tapes would not longer be a mystery. On the other hand, the disection of the ambo pic could reveal more than "just being a shopped one".
And about Mo, i didn´t write that i want to talk to her, i wrote that since she left a door was also left open to questions and doubts regarding many issues, and one was TS and the redirections.
And for the record once more, I am not against TS.
Some of you get defensive as soon as TS related posts come up and also your reactions give the impression that if TS would be just a group of random people not connected to MJ this could be negative, so better keep up the mysterious TS aura.
People believed that MJ is alive before TS started giving re redirections, what´s the need for making TS such a central and mystique piece of the hoax theories?
To be fair, to show people´s private ip and info is very wrong imo (unless is a proven serial killer) but Serenity has not trashed "TS".
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Serenity knew I didn't want that info on here, and I don't want HER on here anymore, so that is where she was already wrong. If SD wants to continue posting here, she can mail me first and until then, she can stay the F away.
There are many religious people in the US, and I think many of them are highly educated. I KNOW that her info is off, because I am the admin of this site and I can see everyone's IP address and can track every single one of them, also those of TS and they are NOT at the location she posted. Therefore her info is inaccurate and is she posting information from people that most likely never even heard of the hoax. It's plain wrong.
This is not because I am defending TS' ass, because he is very capable of doing that himself, this is because I do NOT want info like this on the forum. Next time they will do it with your IP, or that of Gina, or bec or Im_convinced because they might think you are someone or just to trash you and I repeatedly said that I don't want personal info on this forum, not even IP addresses. TS is no exception, even though he's probably not posting with his own IP, like many others on here.
And lastly, I didn't say she was trashing TS, I said her info was inaccurate and that if she wanted to debunk TS, she should debunk his info. She can't, that is why she is trying it this way now.
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TS is no exception, even though he 's probably not posting with his own IP, like many others on here.
But last time you said you think it's a she...
What made you change your mind :? ?
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Hmm... This business of not sitting around a circle talking face to face, has its challenges and advantages. I'm sure my brain has expanded these last 2 years. Thanks Souza and everyone!
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TS is no exception, even though he 's probably not posting with his own IP, like many others on here.
But last time you said you think it's a she...
What made you change your mind :? ?
I have never thought TS is a she, you must confuse me with someone else. I told many times that I am pretty sure it's a he, and that I would be surprised if it turned out to be a woman.
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oh yes, you said you think it's a he....why did I remember the opposite :? ?
There must have been a reason...yes I know now..... you said it's a he with arguments about the differences between male-female way of writing and feeling and it felt like you tried to condition us to believe it's a he when in fact it's the opposite.....sorry if I was wrong.
can't trust anything lately.......not even my own shadow
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I was reading here and I needed to say an objective opinion about this issue, regardless TS or anyone in particular.
I know SD was always appreciated for her detailed posts but with no harm intended, her posts were extremelly superficial and with no base, and I need to say it. But people always took them as insightful and detailed and correct just because they were neverending and people thought that is deep research. I don't want to bash SD, I don't know her, but I just want to point something out, because people just believe it's so easy.
You can't find someone by his/her IP address ONLY. That's the proof of superficial research. You can find completely someone else if you try to track an IP. I tell you as a fact. If you really want to find background informations about someone, you need more than the IP. You have to have at least a name information and at least the area where that person lives, and even THEN you can find someone with the same name and you'll believe you found the person. Try it with your own IP and go on 2-3 IP tracking sites and see what you get.Or try with a friend you know details about. Search his/her name, type the IP and you'll see.
I say this because I remember a post of SD also, when trying to find details about Sade Anding (Murray's supposed girlfriend) and she went on a find-people site and found a Sade Anding, then went on Facebook and found again a Sade Anding, then her possible family, etc. You can't go like this if you want to find the real person, you can find completely another one, which most likely you will. Even if you want to go deeper, you have no right to post people's informations on a public site, that's just wrong. But anyway, if you need that information for yourself, that's not the correct way to try and find it. You need far more things to find the real person and to digg far deeper.
Just wanted to point that out.
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True Anna, going on those things alone could result in nothing but confusion and a whole lot of trouble. I think people forget that the internet may be a very useful tool but in some ways good old-fashioned detective work is still required, it's not a case of simply hitting a few keys and viola you've found someone you were researching. So many fake accounts, so many possible inaccuracies. Definitely not the way to go. Movies and TV have taught people that anyone can be tracked down with a few clicks or keystrokes. Thankfully it's not usually that easy. And that's as it should be.
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I was reading here and I needed to say an objective opinion about this issue, regardless TS or anyone in particular.
I know SD was always appreciated for her detailed posts but with no harm intended, her posts were extremelly superficial and with no base, and I need to say it. But people always took them as insightful and detailed and correct just because they were neverending and people thought that is deep research. I don't want to bash SD, I don't know her, but I just want to point something out, because people just believe it's so easy.
You can't find someone by his/her IP address ONLY. That's the proof of superficial research. You can find completely someone else if you try to track an IP. I tell you as a fact. If you really want to find background informations about someone, you need more than the IP. You have to have at least a name information and at least the area where that person lives, and even THEN you can find someone with the same name and you'll believe you found the person. Try it with your own IP and go on 2-3 IP tracking sites and see what you get.Or try with a friend you know details about. Search his/her name, type the IP and you'll see.
I say this because I remember a post of SD also, when trying to find details about Sade Anding (Murray's supposed girlfriend) and she went on a find-people site and found a Sade Anding, then went on Facebook and found again a Sade Anding, then her possible family, etc. You can't go like this if you want to find the real person, you can find completely another one, which most likely you will. Even if you want to go deeper, you have no right to post people's informations on a public site, that's just wrong. But anyway, if you need that information for yourself, that's not the correct way to try and find it. You need far more things to find the real person and to digg far deeper.
Just wanted to point that out.
while i see your point and personally have not been a fan of either ts or serenity perhaps it wouldn't hurt if when ts does post we take care to look at it as if the possibilty could be true that he is indeed just another hoaxer just to make sure we take a good open minded look at the information. ;)
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@trustno1 every time I see your username it reminds me to trustno1...your like my alarm clock. :)
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@trustno1 every time I see your username it reminds me to trustno1...your like my alarm clock. :)
:lol: every time i see it i think man that is a good name i wish i had thought of that ! :x :lol:
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TS is no exception, even though he 's probably not posting with his own IP, like many others on here.
But last time you said you think it's a she...
What made you change your mind :? ?
I have never thought TS is a she, you must confuse me with someone else. I told many times that I am pretty sure it's a he, and that I would be surprised if it turned out to be a woman.
TS is totally a woman :P
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TS is no exception, even though he 's probably not posting with his own IP, like many others on here.
But last time you said you think it's a she...
What made you change your mind :? ?
I have never thought TS is a she, you must confuse me with someone else. I told many times that I am pretty sure it's a he, and that I would be surprised if it turned out to be a woman.
TS is totally a woman :P
You think or you know as a fact?
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@trustno1 every time I see your username it reminds me to trustno1...your like my alarm clock. :)
:lol: every time i see it i think man that is a good name i wish i had thought of that ! :x :lol:
DW, yours is good too. :) ;)