Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Michael's Health & Alleged Drug/Painkiller Addiction => Topic started by: mjj_fan on December 12, 2009, 09:28:38 AM
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sometimes back media spread a rumour that mj is getting blind in one eye bla bla but while recalling some of the list of medicine and procedure dr arnold clamied to run on mj just befrre the release of tii , includes a drug LATANOPLAST ??? its for a eye condition called GLUCOMA when patients complaints of blurring of vision , so there was some truth to rumor , but why would dr arnold prescribe to mj when he is not an eye specialist ??? i dont know
his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??
3. jermain in lkl himself said he has never observed any odd behaviour denying to know anything about mj taking any drugs but in his recent interview with jackson he said there is no guit of not doing to help him ( i dont remember exact words)
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Alas we may never know the extent of his health problems. I remember reading long before he "died" that he was suffering skin cancer but with all the rubbish I had read in the tabloids in the last few years I didn't know if to believe or not. I do know that it can be quite common with vitiligo and exposure to sun etc. It would be very beneficial to our investigation to know just how unhealthy/healthy he was. As for the glaucoma, that doesn't surprise me as he did wear glasses for reading (didn't he look cute in them) but then most people's eyes deteriorate as they get older. I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
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hmm reading glasses were for a common aging process call presbyopia / far shightness at old age we cant read as far as other thing are concern its a mystery
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True or not, his pale white skin could have easily caused skincancer even if he protected himself with umbrellas on sunny days.
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.
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I always wondered about Michael's discoloured fingernails. He's had them for a long time, and at times they appeared darker than at other times. Discolouration can occur for a multitude of underlying medical problems ranging from fungus to heart disease to cancer. I seem to recall some fungus cream was found among the medication at MJ's house.
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Or lack of nutrition. I always wondered about that too. He didn't eat that much, so he probably wasn't getting everything he needed.
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his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??
Going with what you said about diabetes...this has also crossed my mind. I remember the leaked autopsy said that Michael's body had numerous injection sites. Could this have been as a result of insulin injections? Yes, i know that the leaked info was probably BS but it set me thinking. Also i found a pic of Michael in court and it looks like he's wearing a medical braclet, similar to ones worn by diabetics.
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Very nice that you posted that. I never noticed that bracelet.
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Just thought I'd add something here...
Neither skin cancer or diabetes are life-threatening conditions, if properly managed. I know people that have had both conditions, and they are still ok. If Mike has diabetes, I'm sure it would be properly managed.
I know Michael has a problem with his lungs, but I'm pretty sure his heart is ok - I haven't heard anything to the contrary - maybe someone can eloborate?
Also as people get older, they tend to get long-sighted. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it's coming! This would no doubt explain the glasses that Michael wears.
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.
Murray didn't conduct MJ's 5 hour medical exam. Dr. David Slavit did. He was hired by the insurance companies for the tour (Lloyds of London).
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
If the concerts were never meant to take off and the movie was planned all along then maybe there never was a 5 hour medical test. It was Murray who ''did'' the test but Murray also ''murdered'' Michael.
No not Murray who did the test Michael wanted Murrsy hired as his Personal Physician and wanted AEG to pay for it but he did not do the medical for the insurance company..
Dr. David Slavit performed the medical exam which was submitted to the insurers as part of their underwriting."
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!!!
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Leah-kim wrote:
"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!!
So this could just be a extremely convoluted insurance scam :shock: with Michael caught in the cross-fire due his apparent "debt". I truely believe the concerts were never going to take place. It's all a little too convenient that Michael "died" don't you think!
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I agree. Extremely too convenient :)
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"AEG has never received a copy of Dr. Slavit's medical exam. A second medical examination was scheduled in the UK when the tour arrived. The policy was issued in a fictitious name."
AEG was never supposed to receive a copy of the medical exam. Medical records are confidential and legally could not be shared with AEG. Only the insurers need to know the results.
BY the way the insurance company is now claiming the file is missing so they wont have to pay out!!
This was only reported in tabloids--not in any credible source that I've ever seen. Likely untrue.
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The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
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Have you already read this?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog.php)
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...
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Just thought I'd add something here...
Neither skin cancer or diabetes are life-threatening conditions, if properly managed. I know people that have had both conditions, and they are still ok. If Mike has diabetes, I'm sure it would be properly managed.
I know Michael has a problem with his lungs, but I'm pretty sure his heart is ok - I haven't heard anything to the contrary - maybe someone can eloborate?
Also as people get older, they tend to get long-sighted. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it's coming! This would no doubt explain the glasses that Michael wears.
There are some types of skin cancer that is VERY life threatening because it is aggressive and spreads rapidly. The skin being the largest organ of the body is susceptible to all kinds of latent infections etc once affected, and a person with an underlying skin condition that was as aggressive as Michael's vitiligo could possibly be twice as likely to be adversely affected. That is why it is very important to catch skin cancer when it is at its very earliest stage, like a tiny speck or a mole.
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...
Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
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The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
Yes you made sense, but it's more than just a contrast if you look at photos.. there's something going on with that, more than just a darker color, from skin tone. I made a thread about his hands/nails on the old forum, with photos, but I can't access it now. Maybe it would've helped.
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The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.
It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's something that clearly differs from person to person.
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?
To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...
Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
Im talking about the medical test he had to endure to be able to do the 50 concerts, so AEG.
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The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.
It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's something that clearly differs from person to person.
Thanks for this post, it is quite informative. Im sure that his use of these products is highly likely (I recognize the names from an old thread on mjkit) so this makes sense.
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This is a similar thread, it mentions the effects of Lupus in regard to the darkening of nails:
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1330
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sometimes back media spread a rumour that mj is getting blind in one eye bla bla but while recalling some of the list of medicine and procedure dr arnold clamied to run on mj just befrre the release of tii , includes a drug LATANOPLAST ??? its for a eye condition called GLUCOMA when patients complaints of blurring of vision , so there was some truth to rumor , but why would dr arnold prescribe to mj when he is not an eye specialist ??? i dont know
his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??
3. jermain in lkl himself said he has never observed any odd behaviour denying to know anything about mj taking any drugs but in his recent interview with jackson he said there is no guit of not doing to help him ( i dont remember exact words)
Latanoprost is also popular now to grow thicker, darker eyelashes. That is probably why Dr. Klein prescribed it. You don't put it in your eye, it goes along your lash line.
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Dr. Klein admitted this in his interview. It was used to grow the lashes.
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Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
Im talking about the medical test he had to endure to be able to do the 50 concerts, so AEG.
AEG did not require the physical exam; Lloyds of London, the insurance company, did. They are 2 separate entities. AEG did not need to "fix" a medical exam. They stated numerous times (long before June) that they would insure the concerts themselves if MJ did not pass the physical, so there was no need for them to fix anything.
Lloyds of London required the physical to insure the first group of concerts (only a set number of shows, like 17 or something--all this info is verifiable through legitimate news sources on the web, dating back months before June). And they hired the doctor who performed the physical. Then MJ was to have another physical exam in London to verify that he was still in good health, in order to get the remainder of the concerts insured. Whether or not the concerts were ever going to happen (I believe they were, at least initially), the Insurance company would NOT be involved in the hoax, because that is FRAUD. I see no reason for MJ to risk that; and I certainly do not think an insurance company that big would risk it either. And there would be more than one insurance company involved, because Lloyds has several smaller insurance companies underneath it, and one ore more of those were the ones providing the actual tour insurance. It would make no sense at all for all those insurance companies to be involved in a hoax. So MJ would have to have had the physical, which he passed. That is all AEG was ever told, because they are not legally entitled to see any of his medical records.
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Latanoprost is also popular now to grow thicker, darker eyelashes. That is probably why Dr. Klein prescribed it. You don't put it in your eye, it goes along your lash line.
You're thinking of Latisse, which was also found in his room. Latanaprost is used for glaucoma.
The original post is very good, and more of what I think we should be focusing on.
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you are probably mistaken its LATISSE not LATANOPROST its a PROSTAGLANDIN ANALOGUE to reduce the pressure with in the eye , called intra ocular pressure to nourishes our eye lens.iris and cornea ( all structures within eye) and to keep in with in our bony socket by maintaining its globular shape , but due to any mechanism increasing its production or obstruct its drainage an eye condition called GLUCOMA occurs
i was just wanted to keep you inform for your interes t, and opthamologist / eye specialist diagnose and treat the condition why dermatologist ??? or its just that when it comes to micheal everyone is bending the rules what i see
a cardiologist infusing what anesthetics does
a dermatologist treating what opthamologist treats ,,, frustrating
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you are probably mistaken its LATISSE not LATANOPROST its a PROSTAGLANDIN ANALOGUE to reduce the pressure with in the eye , called intra ocular pressure to nourishes our eye lens.iris and cornea ( all structures within eye) and to keep in with in our bony socket by maintaining its globular shape , but due to any mechanism increasing its production or obstruct its drainage an eye condition called GLUCOMA occurs
i was just wanted to keep you inform for your interes t, and opthamologist / eye specialist diagnose and treat the condition why dermatologist ??? or its just that when it comes to micheal everyone is bending the rules what i see
a cardiologist infusing what anesthetics does
a dermatologist treating what opthamologist treats ,,, frustrating
I understand what your are getting at. Why was a cardiologist brought in to treat insomnia and why was a dermatologist treating an eye condition? All very strange if its true and not a front for something else. You woud think Murray would to be put to good use, after all he put himself through all that education! or maybe he did for the big fat wage and a chance to be close to Michael.
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why everything is leaking ;)
1 , the death news leaked before hospitalofficial statement
first leak autopsy report followed by second report
2. the secret telephone calls leaked
3. omar bhatti rumor leaked
4. mj never seen court video leaked
5. even rented house was leaking too
but the real question is if mj did use propofol who leak this information i was expecting janet to know but she denied
if just for a while we think of murder theory by saying some one hire murray to kill mj . no one knew what he was prescribed by his physician and its means murray is not only gulity of homicide but he breached the rules by nOT MAINTAINING the confidentiality of his patient which is THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF MEDICINE
how come it proves him innocent and allow him to practice ????
NO WAY
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one i forgot to mention was when paramedics said they couldnt recognise him he looked old and was bald according to media , well , he had discoid lupus leading to baldness although it was told by dr arnold the disease was in remission, another fact vitiligo is associated with another disease leading to baldness , and to be very honest when i saw mj mugshot from 2005 trial i could hardly believe it was him ,
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one i forgot to mention was when paramedics said they couldnt recognise him he looked old and was bald according to media , well , he had discoid lupus leading to baldness although it was told by dr arnold the disease was in remission, another fact vitiligo is associated with another disease leading to baldness , and to be very honest when i saw mj mugshot from 2005 trial i could hardly believe it was him ,
But think of the ambulance photo. It definitly looked like Michael. He wasn't bald. Unless they decided they decided to slap him on some make-up and a wig, then take him to the hospital. :roll:
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of course that photo was fake the topic behind lies there are few point cannot be ignored ,
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AEG did not require the physical exam; Lloyds of London, the insurance company, did. They are 2 separate entities. AEG did not need to "fix" a medical exam. They stated numerous times (long before June) that they would insure the concerts themselves if MJ did not pass the physical, so there was no need for them to fix anything.
Lloyds of London required the physical to insure the first group of concerts (only a set number of shows, like 17 or something--all this info is verifiable through legitimate news sources on the web, dating back months before June). And they hired the doctor who performed the physical. Then MJ was to have another physical exam in London to verify that he was still in good health, in order to get the remainder of the concerts insured. Whether or not the concerts were ever going to happen (I believe they were, at least initially), the Insurance company would NOT be involved in the hoax, because that is FRAUD. I see no reason for MJ to risk that; and I certainly do not think an insurance company that big would risk it either. And there would be more than one insurance company involved, because Lloyds has several smaller insurance companies underneath it, and one ore more of those were the ones providing the actual tour insurance. It would make no sense at all for all those insurance companies to be involved in a hoax. So MJ would have to have had the physical, which he passed. That is all AEG was ever told, because they are not legally entitled to see any of his medical records.
Thanks for the info - very helpful.
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one i forgot to mention was when paramedics said they couldnt recognise him he looked old and was bald according to media , well , he had discoid lupus leading to baldness although it was told by dr arnold the disease was in remission, another fact vitiligo is associated with another disease leading to baldness , and to be very honest when i saw mj mugshot from 2005 trial i could hardly believe it was him ,
But think of the ambulance photo. It definitly looked like Michael. He wasn't bald. Unless they decided they decided to slap him on some make-up and a wig, then take him to the hospital. :roll:
well im one of those who think that he did wear wigs, but also he did have his own hair...... just not a lot of it... in TII i think that the curls are his, but also maybe hair extenstions... but as everything else... his health just doesnt add up at all.....
is there a doctor in the house !! :lol:
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why are you asking for a doctor?? call dr murray now
just by looking at the pictures you cant really comment about someone health specially when it comes to someone using body doubles in the past besides alot of editing is done in pics atleast one needs to know a little information about the patients real complaints you know ,
terminally ill/ cancer patients can never perform so well like mj , chronic drug abuser behaviour (specifically what media thought was morphine subtance abuse ) is odd either their mood fluctuates or some thing wrong with speech , their concentration ,memory as jermaine said he had never seen any kind of such symptoms ///lets believe him for a while ;)
like what one of his lawyer said just after 25th june "" i always saw mj in pain"" have you felt somewhere in Tii mj suffering from pain that can stop him performing ?? dancing for hrs and hrs aint easy task ,
base line ..... passing a physical exam wasnt a joke probably that was an eye opener for few media media reporters / so called friends who wanted him to look like a weak terminal worthless person .. Truth is prevailing :)
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why are you asking for a doctor?? call dr murray now
it was onle of those random things :lol: , and also if a doctor could explain half of all this and also give their side, but it was totally random :lol:
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he had hair of his own but used wigs too , why i thought of diabetes because of fungal infections causing nail discoloration too,
i hope what i have said so far make some sense , there must be members here having friends or siblings who can better commant on what we have discussed they are welcome to give their expert opinion . take good care of you everyone
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Great posts everyone!
I have been waiting to read posts like this about MJ's health because it is clearly a mystery and may very well help us get to the truth of it all. I want to know if he was in jeopardy-health wise and at least now we are generating some dialogue. yeah, for that. I have always wondered why his nail beds were dark (and in some pics it is more apparent). I had always heard it meant liver involvement......but just don't know. In my opinion, if Michael wasn't terminal, I don't believe that he could have died by anything but murder. I really feel he was most vulnerable during his high-profile trial and really looked frail during that time. I just have a hard time believing he was in that state this year. Even though nothing has been easy for MJ things should have been considerably lighter on the emotional/psychological level, right? Of course, there is so little we know-----and that is why we are investigating. I hope we come up with the answers. I feel we all need to know.
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i think awesome you are getting confuse by my post and found it haphazrd let me put it in order
there are diseases where body own cells destroy the rest of cells they are called autoimmune diseases depending upon which organ becomes the target they are classified in to various type , but if person suffers from any one of them the chances are very high to have another or more of autoimmune diseases at some point in his life , the diseases of our interest is vitiligo but mj has another one discoid lupus( dr klein mention it ) with rashes over cheeks ears and scalp leading to baldness , there is another autoimmune type leading to baldness only . he was bald or not no one knows but what paramedics told he was but in my opinion he used wigs but had his own too
now back to vitiligo the disease carries high risk for skin cancer , the chances of mj having it was high , but media started that rumour because of obvious weigh loss and specifically what concern them was nail discoloration some reporters did a half job by browsing it thru net and the possibility of mj taking anticancerous drugs +vitiligo + weight loss + nail discoloration fits in to their theory quite well ... BUT there are many health conditions leading to brownish nail colors , diabetes ( when leads to end stage renal failure or due to fungal infection does the same to nails and diabetes itself is an auto immune disease so he had it or not God knows but he wasnt seem to be in end stage renal failure but fungal infection is a possibility
now coming back to either terminal ill or not . well such patients are bed ridden , in pain . almost in alter consciousness and deeply jaundice so do u agree mj was in such condition ?????
another thing i came to know about mj was Body dysmorphic disorder as mention by dr sanjay gupta where patient is excessively concern about his body image , i dont remember where i read it but he said mj had it and it can explain his weight loss but in anxiety disorder when patient doesnt eat at all is strong possibility makes him loose a lot of weight( which is not expected otherwise after someone turns 40 ) and mj was on medication for his anxiety disorder ... i mean XANAX.....which was also given by dr murray on 25th june with rest of medication
i agree we dont know what exactly happened because half of it were stories told by media and we already know how they run their bussiness.
i m sorry i dont know about his liver condition, almost forgot about bracelet there are also steriods bracelets and special instructions are given to wear them all the time i m not sure if in US they are metallic one i have seen plastics one so i really cant comment on that one , take care everyone, Godbless
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hmm reading glasses were for a common aging process call presbyopia / far shightness at old age we cant read as far as other thing are concern its a mystery
Far-sighted is when you can see far away and near-sighted is when you can't.