Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: mjkate on August 05, 2010, 04:25:20 PM
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It was nearly 1am on a cold November night and the runway at Luton airport was deserted. A private Jet just landed and taxied to a secluded spot near the perimeter fence. Two rented minibuses, their windows blocked out with white sheets, drove to the tail section where a narrow stairway was being lowered. Driving the first van was bodygaurd Steve Tarling with one thing on his mind- to get Michael Jackson off the jet as quickly and as secretly as possible. Custom and Immigration officers boared the plane to check documents and Steve moved in. Nothing could have prepared him for the shock of seeing Michael Jackson.
He says: He was sitting alone and appeared to be asleep, a red tartan blanket was wrapped over his legs and a Black Trilby was tilted over his eyes. He was wearing a Black shirt with a big Red collar and a big Black cardigan with a belt around the waist. He had on Black Loafers which were really scruffy.
Elizabeth Taylor, her husband Larry Fortensky and Jackson personal Doctor David forcast were trying to tell him to get up. Taylor shook him awake and said: “Michael, you have to get off now”. He was completely out of it, he was so drugged up he looked like a zombie. He just looked like a lost soul.
When his hat came off and I saw his face for the first time I was physically shocked. I had this image of Michael Jackson the performer in mind but the sight I saw was nothing like that, he looked terrible. He wore full make-up with smudged Red lipstick and eye-liner. He was covered in White paste like a clown. He looked like a Transvestite who had had some make-up on for a couple of weeks. What shocked me most was the tip of his nose, it was jet black. His whole face was white except for his nose which was black a looked like a painful scab.
I wanted to get him off immediately, because the longer we stayed the more vulnerable we were. It was pandemonium on the plane, security men and and airport ground staff were unloading baggage but Jackson was oblivious to it all.
Taylor had two dogs she wanted to take with her. It was impossible because of quarantine laws but she still asked me to smuggle them off. I said no way, so she told Larry to stay on the plane with them. He looked fed-up that he was being told what to do, while Jackson was getting all the attention.
The original plan was for Larry and Liz to stay on the plane and fly to Switzerland to throw the media off the scent. But Liz insisted on staying with Jackson until he got to the clinic. But when Jackson tried to get up his legs collapsed and I had to hold him up. It was like he had druck two bottles og scotch and was so paralytic he couldn’t co-ordinate. It was a sad sight. I held on to him and someone pulled the blanket up over his shoulders and covered his face with his hat.
I carried him like you would carry a tree-trunk. H is very tall so he was leaning over my shoulder. It was awkward going down the narrow stairway down to the tarmac, and I remember thinking: “My god, if I fall, he’ll end up in hospital for other reasons, not his drug problem!”
As Steve laid Jackson in the first bus, another security gaurd pulled off an amazing decoy stunt, hidden in the second bus was a look-a-like wearing exactly the same clothes.
As the singer was carried off, the lookalike was smuggled on to the plane and curled up on his seat pretending to be asleep. The decoy worked and as far as the passport control were concerned, Jackson had never left the plane.
The lookalike and Fortensky were to wait for Elizabeth to return then fly to switzeland as if the stop to Luton had only been to refuel.
Therapist Beauchamp Colcough, known as Beechy-was waiting in the first van. He began asking us if he understood why he was there and if he knew he had a problem. Beechy started explaining how the cure treatment would work.
Steve says: Beechy was laying down the rules of which Jackson would have to follow, he told him he would have to make his own bed, wash his clothes, and generally do everything for himself. Jackson was mumbling his answers and kept saying he wanted to use the phone, Beechy said this was not allowed. He told Jackson he would have to earn his phonecalls.
Suddenly Jackson said very calmly and coherently, “excuse me, can you turn this bus around and take me back? If I can’t use the phone, i’m calling the whole thing off”
It made everyone realize that he wasn’t such a spaced out idiot at all. Beechy had to comprimise and said he would allow him to make two calls. Taylor was in the bus and got angry when she realised Steve had changed the plan. Earlier in the day he had checked out the Charter Nightingale Clinic in Marylebone, Central London, only to find photogaraphers staking it out. He felt it was too risky to go there and had fixed up a stay at the 2million home of Joh Reid, Elton John’s manager in Hertfordshire. Steve says: Taylor wasn’t happy. She said, “This is bull**** and started asking about my credentials. As I drove around a round-about she screamed out hysterically, appaently the move had hurt her back.
As I pulled pulled up outside the house a guard slid open the door and Jackson fell out. He slumped out like a corpse. Thankfully we caught him before he hit the ground and carried him inside, he was all floppy and dead to the world.
We lay him lay him on a settee in the living room and surrounded him with cushions , then put his hat on him. I crossed his hands over his chest. If someone had come in they would have been convinced he dead. “His face was white, he was lying completely still and looked like he was hardly breathing, it was a bizarre sight. Before Jackson landed Beechy had been worried sick, he said he would be finished if he didn’t succedd but would be set up for life if he did. At one point waiting for the plane, he was shaking with fear. As Beechy came in the house, I shouted out “You can stop worrying now, he’s dead” It was a silly joke but the situation was so unreal.
Within an hour, Taylor insisted Jackson was taken to the clinic. She felt he would react better to treatment in a hospital environment and the Doctors agreed.Taylor returned to the plane which flew to Switzerland as other decoy stories to confuse the press were released in Europe and the U.S. Some papers reported Michael had been in a clinic in the French Alps.
Steve found it easy to smuggle Jackson into the clinic. He arrived at around 5am and the few photographers still there were asleep in their cars. He drive through the rear entrance and took Jackson to the top floor which was sealed off; But the singer locked himself in his room and refused to come out. Steve say: He turned up his radio, the whole building seemed bare and uncomfortable, I knew he wouldn’t put up with it for long and I was right. I left one of Elizabeth Taylor’s bodygaurds in charge while me and one of my ground men checked the ground floor. We went down stairs when the receptionist rang up saying “Quick, Michael Jackson’s trying to escape!”
The bodyguard had been lying on his bed while Jackson had left his room and jumped in the lift. He had presed number 1 thinking it was the ground floor, the numbers are different to American lifts. Jackson had been wandering around, politely asking patients ” How do you get out of here”? I felt really sorry for him, you can tell he was determined to get out and was ready to walk the streets of London in the freeezing cold. Half the worlds media were searching for this man and he nearly walked right out into the open on his own! Can you imagine if that had happened?
I told my man to guard the back while I rushed to the first floor. Jackson was getting more and more frustrated and was slapping his hand against the wall. He was saying in his high pitched voice “I wanna get out of here, I don’t like it here” The nurse and I got him into the lift, I held on him and he started to calm down.Later that first morning Jackson agreed to meet some ex addicts. Nurses were ordered to search the star for drugs. The first session of therapy lasted about three hours but mainly concentrated on laying down the rules. I felt really bad when they searched Jackson’s personal things. He had an old yellow bag with a tape machine and diaries inside. The nurses emptied it and found 13 bottles of pills which they confiscated…
…Beechy made everyone introduce themselves and say what their problems were, Jackson was very friendly towards me because he knew I didn’t have to be there. He smiled at me when I said my bit, which I thought was nice of him, he didn’t want to speak, but Beechy said he HAD to; eventually he said very quietly, “Hi, I’m Michael and I’m addicted to drugs.”
Meanwhile reports had surrounded the clinic and it was decided to smuggle Jackson out to be treated at John Reid’s house. The whole lot had to go with him. He disguised the staff as patients and throughout the day they left through the front door on foot or by Black cab, They were collect by cars waiting less than a mile away at Lords Cricket ground.
Jackson left around midnight. Steve dressed him up in a baggy tracksuit, a long coat, hat and scarf, Jackson went through an underground walkway to the building next door and waited in the basement until a message by walkie talkie told him to walk.
Jackson was as cool as you like, he waited for my signal, then walked to the car just outside and we drove off. He liked the disguise but refused to change his shoes. It was daft because they gave him away. He walked on his toes, just like Michael Jackson. If anyone had of looked they would have guessed, but no one did we were gone within seconds.
‘Minders’ agony as they weaned him off drugs onto Hobnobs’
MiCHAEL JACKSON’S desperate trip to Britain during 1993 to fight his addiction to painkillers was shrouded in secrecy. The world’s media were frantic to find out where he was being treated. Steve Tarling smuggled him into Britain and was his bodygaurd for ten days. He was never paid a penny but only now has Londoner Steve, 33, revealed the truth about being his minder.
Michael Jackson went crazy with sleepless nights as he was weaned off his addiction to pain-killers and sleeping pills.
Night after night he was unable to sleep without being drugged up, so he spent hours trying to amuse himself at Joh Reid’s mansion where he was secretly undergoing therapy under Beechy Colclough. Steve Tarling, who protected Michael during his stay in Britain was forced to listen to Jackson’s melancholy singing. Often Jackson would wander down stairs for a chat and a drink.
Steve says: He had a terrible time getting to sleep during the early days, he was so used to being drugged up…you could hear him singing at 4am, he had a portable tape machine which he sang into whenever he wanted to record a song. He seemed to be writing material all the time and the songs seemed sad and slow…maybe that was due to his state of mind.
He would spend hours on the telephone also, a luxury he insisted upon. He would be on the phone for up to two hours and called all around the world. He would also come down to speak with me and my colleague Andy he seemed concerned for our lack of sleep also. We also used to take him for walks also.
Once him came down for a cup of tea, we got the impression he wanted us to make it for him but we said “sorry Michael, you’ll have to do it yourself, it’s all part of the therapy” . It was true, Beechy instructed evryone to look after themselves, there was to be no star treatment. It was odd watching someone like Jackson make himself a cup of tea. It was like a major exerscise for him…you could tell he wasn’t used to it. “The tea he made looked disgusting, it was really weak, the colour of chicken soup and he piled in 5 or 6 sugars…He also had a hankering for Hobnob biscuits, he had six or 7 and dunked them all in the tea. He didn’t appear to mind making the tea himself, he seemed quite normal at times, and he has a great sense of humour, he used to call Beechy ‘The mad professor’.
Andy mentioned the famous moonwalk…we all tried to do it but made a hash of it and Jackson was really giggling and said we had done okay, then he said “okay guys, Im going to bed’. With that he spun around and glided out of the kitchen backwards in a perfect moonwalk. He was still giggling and had the drink in his hand while he did it….It looked brilliant, you could tell he got a kick out of doing it for us.
Jackson’s eating habits suprised Steve. The singer would eat in the large kitchen with beechy and all the other ex-addicts. Everyone believes Jackson is a strict vegan..but he likes Chicken,.. but not the dark meat. Generally though he eats very little and mainly picks at the food.
As part of Beechy’s therapy Jackson was told not to wear make-up. At first he refused to wipe it ff, telling everyone that it made him feel comfortable, but gradually he stopped tarting himself up. Steve says: Jackson actually looked alot better without make-up, more human and natural. He used to wear long false eyelashes as well as white face paint which made him look ridiculous. He used to wear a plaster over his nose, but as he became more comfortable he relaxed, I think he felt he didn’t have to hide behind the make-up with us. He also stopped wearing his hat all the time, at first he wouldn’t take it off apart from at bedtime. Then he’d leave it on the banisters and put it on when he came down, then it stayed there all the time.
Jackson gradually started to muck in with the others and began to vacuum his bedroom and make the bed. When he was not in therapy he enjoyed watching films in the small cinema in a barn at the side of the house which Reid had converted into a games room and gym. He liked to watch ‘Whatever happened to baby Jane?’, he watched that 3 times, and also Uncle Buck with John Candy.
Most of all he wanted everyone to watch his favourite film ‘Gone with the Wind’. I was sent out to get a video of it, I drove for miles but no-one had it, the closest I could get was ‘The makin of GWTW’. I thought he would get all uptight that I had failed, but instead he said “That’s fine, thanks for trying” He was very well mannered like that. He also watched TV but it was regulated so he didn’t have access to the news. Steve laughed when the news bulletins came in saying he was staying at the Charter Nightingale clinic in London.
Once he went on his knees and started playing piano in the barn. He played a few notes then began singing. It was a love song and sounded really good and he had actually written it right there in front of me. It was amazing to watch, it took him about 6 minutes. When he got up I said did you just write that? He said “yeah, but I have forgotten it already” Then he started looking for something else to do. “No matter what his problems are, the man is a complete genius”
‘Michael arrived an addicted Zombie and left us a real fun guy’
Minder Steve Tarling saw an astonishing change in troubled superstar Michael Jackson after he arrived in Britain to fight his addiction to pain killlers. Steve who gaurded Jackson throughout his secret stay last year says:
In just a few days he turned from a sad lost soul into a happy person who could communicate again.
“In the beginning he was withdrawn and nervous and hardly said a word. He was in his own world, but gradually, as he was weaned off the drugs he came out of himself; he started to relax and was more comfortable with everyone. He laughed alot more and chatted with everyone. Before his treatment he was too messed up to be bothered. But afterwards you could have conversations with him.”
Steve, 33, watched while the treatment went on in a mansion at Rickmansworth, Herts, owned by Elton John’s manager John Reid. He says: ” Jackson is actually a bright and intelligent person. He is very interested in our Royal family and he asked me lots of questions about them and said how much he likes Princess Diana. A lot has been said about him not being able to look people in the eye but that never happened as the treatment began to work.”
“He has incredibly striking eyes, I likened them to Bambi’s-wide and innocent- and he never avoided eye contact when he was chatting to me. The change in him was quite amazing- a really massive improvement. He started to sleep better and would often be the last one down to breakfast. Everyone had breakfast together between 8:30 and 9:00. Towards the end of his stay Jackson would come down at 9:45 after a good lie-in.
“He also started to eat more. He used to pick at his food but he he ate well and noticably put on weight. He looked much brighter and his confidence began to grow in every way.”
“Beechy Colclough and David Forecast did an amazing job and all credit must go to them. The circumstances could not have been more stressful for them. Jackson had serious problems which had to be dealt with, on top of that they had the whole world chasing him.
As Jackson’s condition improved, Steve was able to take Jackson out for the day to give him a change of scenery. They secretly went for a drive in the country to a friends house where Jackson played computer games with the young son of Steve’s friend.Steve says: It was an amazing house, very wealthy looking, but Jackson has all that and was more interested in playing racing-car games with the boy for hours.
“I was aware of the allegations against Jackson but the two behaved like two little kids having fun and it was all totally innocent. Jackson kept getting beaten…whenever he made a mistake he would shout ‘Jesus Christmas!’ Apart from that he never swore and was always well-mannered and polite….Near the end of Jackson’s first week his business advisors made a panic-riden call to the star. They were scared stiff that public opinion was turning against him and that everyone thought he was hiding out to avoid charges brought by Jordy Chandler. They insisted that Jackson should be filmed at the house undergoing therapy to prove that he was sick and need treatment.
“They were really uptight and paranoid. They called the house and started bullying everyone around….but the deal was for me and Elizabeth Taylor’s security man to to look after him, Liz wanted Jackson totally away from his people to give him a chance of recovering. Things started getting very confused when his people flew over on the tenth day and wanted to take him to another house. Liz’s bodyguard didn’t want them to take him and started talking about hiding Jackson in a cupboard when they arrived. It was farcical trying to hide him from his own people, in the end I was told they were taking over.
I was assured that I would be paid in full, they trusted me with the job and I dropped everything to do it. In turn, I trusted them to honour the financial side of things. I have tried many times to get paid but have either been fobbed off with excuses or ignored. I worked round the clock protecting Jackson, and paid people out of my own pocket, and what did I get?…nothing. Jackson has millions, yet this is how I get treated. I doubt this is down to him because I don’t think he has a clue about business. But the people around him should know better….
By Robert McGibbon
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Here is a short interview of Michael's therapist Beechy Colclough, in which tells about himself and his clinic (courtesy of nlmda):
My Diary: Psychotherapist Beechy Colclough - I once took Michael Jackson to a Kentucky Fried Chicken. He just wanted to do something normal. - Free Online Library
His words about Michael:
"I once took Michael Jackson into the Kentucky Fried Chicken at Shepherd's Bush as he wanted to do something very normal. Amazingly, nobody noticed because nobody expects to see somebody like him in a place like that. He really enjoyed it.
When I first met Michael, I was very intimidated by the circle of people he had surrounding him. It was an entire organisation. But once I'd got past them and met Michael himself, it was fine. In the end, he was just a person to me. He responded to me wonderfully. We were together for about 31 days and we just went through a whole process together. It worked out all right. Just look at him. He looks good, he's married... he's lovely."
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A very interesting read Beachy has done a lot of good work so it could be true.
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He admitted to have problems with prescription drugs back then so it might as well be true but Idk
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I also think this is true. Michael himself admitted her was addicted to painkillers during this time.
Ive also seen a video of MJ with some German fans where he says "Jesus Christmas"... so that rings true.
I think this is true... MJ had problems, he was unique.. but he came through this period in his life.
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The author of the article seems biased in the beginning, assuming that MJ was drugged up.
See this sentence, for instance: "He was completely out of it, he was so drugged up he looked like a zombie. He just looked like a lost soul." What if MJ was "out of it" because of exhaustion or dehydration, or the sheer stress of having the Jordan Chandler allegations thrown at him?! Can you imagine how horrible it must have been for Michael to be accused by Jordie's father of molesting the boy, after being friends with the Chandler family?! I can't imagine the pain and stress he must have been going through... And the author himself notes that MJ was actually thinking clearly and could be coherent, so he wasn't completely "out of it"!
Later on Michael probably felt better not just because he wasn't drugged anymore (I don't think he ever had a serious addiction problem), but also because he was allowed to be normal and have a normal existence for a while, just hanging out with people. I mean, he had a pretty stressful life otherwise, which became even harder when touring... It wasn't easy being Michael Jackson!
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:) 8-) :geek:
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The author of the article seems biased in the beginning, assuming that MJ was drugged up.
See this sentence, for instance: "He was completely out of it, he was so drugged up he looked like a zombie. He just looked like a lost soul." What if MJ was "out of it" because of exhaustion or dehydration, or the sheer stress of having the Jordan Chandler allegations thrown at him?! Can you imagine how horrible it must have been for Michael to be accused by Jordie's father of molesting the boy, after being friends with the Chandler family?! I can't imagine the pain and stress he must have been going through... And the author himself notes that MJ was actually thinking clearly and could be coherent, so he wasn't completely "out of it"!
Later on Michael probably felt better not just because he wasn't drugged anymore (I don't think he ever had a serious addiction problem), but also because he was allowed to be normal and have a normal existence for a while, just hanging out with people. I mean, he had a pretty stressful life otherwise, which became even harder when touring... It wasn't easy being Michael Jackson!
Well.. Michael was being admitted into rehab for painkillers addiction... so i think thats why he was "assuming" that fact... as he had been told thats why MJ was coming to London!!!
... so you are saying MJ was acting? Thats a pretty dangerous assumption to make in itself... as this was bang at the time Jordy's father made his allegations, and there was a lot of speculation at the time about whether MJ was putting this addiction on in order to escape and hide away from reality.
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He admitted to have problems with prescription drugs back then so it might as well be true but Idk
so why would he be in denial when it happened later?
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Where did you get the article? It could very well be true, but it could also be a...I dunno, fanfiction?
I remember reading about the rehabilitation from Taraborelli's book. I don't remember exactly what it said, but it was something along the lines that Michael couldn't walk on his own, because he was 'out of it.'
It must of been horrifying for people around MJ, because my own mother has an alcohol problem. There are days she admits that she should stop, but on the other days she tries to minimize the problem.
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I clearly remember Elizabeth Taylor's press conference when she announced that she had facilitated the process of getting Michael help for an addiction to prescription pain killers....so all of this adds up as true to me....part of me felt guilty reading it though....too private....so sad he had to go through all that....did you get the impression that this state he was in was before, during or after the Jordy Chandler accusations?....just wondering if that was a factor in this problem getting so out of control?
Thoughts?
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I clearly remember Elizabeth Taylor's press conference when she announced that she had facilitated the process of getting Michael help for an addiction to prescription pain killers....so all of this adds up as true to me....part of me felt guilty reading it though....too private....so sad he had to go through all that....did you get the impression that this state he was in was before, during or after the Jordy Chandler accusations?....just wondering if that was a factor in this problem getting so out of control?
Thoughts?
I believe it was DURING the accusations. The case was what triggered his dependency.
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I clearly remember Elizabeth Taylor's press conference when she announced that she had facilitated the process of getting Michael help for an addiction to prescription pain killers....so all of this adds up as true to me....part of me felt guilty reading it though....too private....so sad he had to go through all that....did you get the impression that this state he was in was before, during or after the Jordy Chandler accusations?....just wondering if that was a factor in this problem getting so out of control?
Thoughts?
I believe it was DURING the accusations. The case was what triggered his dependency.
OH GOD, this is what I've always feared and suspected....he was so devastated....what was done to Michael Jackson is one of the greatest tragedies in recent American history....absolutely criminal....oh, our poor Michael! What did America do to you?
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I clearly remember Elizabeth Taylor's press conference when she announced that she had facilitated the process of getting Michael help for an addiction to prescription pain killers....so all of this adds up as true to me....part of me felt guilty reading it though....too private....so sad he had to go through all that....did you get the impression that this state he was in was before, during or after the Jordy Chandler accusations?....just wondering if that was a factor in this problem getting so out of control?
Thoughts?
I believe it was DURING the accusations. The case was what triggered his dependency.
OH GOD, this is what I've always feared and suspected....he was so devastated....what was done to Michael Jackson is one of the greatest tragedies in recent American history....absolutely criminal....oh, our poor Michael! What did America do to you?
Yeah...People also claimed as if MJ didn't need any help, he just escaped the country to avoid the strip search. :evil:
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this article almost broke my heart, reading it made me cry, poor baby.
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I also think it´s true, as he said himself that he had been away during the accusations to fight his addiction.
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Yes what did America did to you!.. I read that MJ when he left from Neverland he wanted to move in Montreal, He said we were the only ones who did not judge him, and purchased his cd's without any questions. The only thing refrained him was the weather, we have winter, very cold, long winter. He wouldn't be able to live here if he is used to L>A> warm weather. I also read that MJ was anti drugs. He spread it to everyone that drugs are not the answer. So how can he preach something but he does not follow it. We will never find the answer, until he comes out and say it, yes I was addicted to pain killers. Remember what ever we read it is not necessarily the truth, they embellish it so us readers will read and buy into it, and who gets rich the media. it could be that than yes he may have been taking pain killers because what he endured with the molestation courts and his life was in a shamble. Now I am positive he did not die with overdose of propofol, nor pain killers, nor sleeping pills this was a diversion so we think he is really dead. We all know he is not dead. I am saying this story sounds true but also a fabricated story. This is my opinion, I may be wrong, as I may be right. I just wish MJ is fine and well where ever he is, he is very much missed. Love you MJ. Love and blessings to everyone.
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Yes what did America did to you!.. I read that MJ when he left from Neverland he wanted to move in Montreal, He said we were the only ones who did not judge him, and purchased his cd's without any questions. The only thing refrained him was the weather, we have winter, very cold, long winter. He wouldn't be able to live here if he is used to L>A> warm weather. I also read that MJ was anti drugs. He spread it to everyone that drugs are not the answer. So how can he preach something but he does not follow it. We will never find the answer, until he comes out and say it, yes I was addicted to pain killers. Remember what ever we read it is not necessarily the truth, they embellish it so us readers will read and buy into it, and who gets rich the media. it could be that than yes he may have been taking pain killers because what he endured with the molestation courts and his life was in a shamble. Now I am positive he did not die with overdose of propofol, nor pain killers, nor sleeping pills this was a diversion so we think he is really dead. We all know he is not dead. I am saying this story sounds true but also a fabricated story. This is my opinion, I may be wrong, as I may be right. I just wish MJ is fine and well where ever he is, he is very much missed. Love you MJ. Love and blessings to everyone.
Maybe MJ didnt see prescription drugs as "drugs" - as they are prescribed by doctors and maybe he trusted the doctors.
I think that was part of the problem.. he was against drugs, as in hard illegal drugs, but perhaps fell into a prescription drug addiction as he didnt see this as illegal or wrong.
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Remember too that's it's highly possible, maybe even certain, that there were people around him who were trying to ensure he DID become an addict, or at least appear so, to further distort the public's opinion of him.
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He admitted to have problems with prescription drugs back then so it might as well be true but Idk
so why would he be in denial when it happened later?
Please eloborate. What do you mean when it happened later ? And how was he in denial ?
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Even anti-drugs people can become addicted. Just because you refuse to do or even try heroin or smoke pot does not mean you'll resist painkillers if you're in a lot of physical pain.
Anti-this or anti-that alone does not protect you. You might not realize you're walking into a trap, most likely you'll realize you're in trouble once you're already IN the trap, if you get what I'm saying.
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Even anti-drugs people can become addicted. Just because you refuse to do or even try heroin or smoke pot does not mean you'll resist painkillers if you're in a lot of physical pain.
Anti-this or anti-that alone does not protect you. You might not realize you're walking into a trap, most likely you'll realize you're in trouble once you're already IN the trap, if you get what I'm saying.
Exactly.. he wasnt using prescription drugs to get high or to abuse them.. he was using them to manage pain and then when the Jordy allegations hit, i think he may have become dependent on them to manage his emotional pain too.. and by then he was addicted and it was too late.
I blame the doctors for prescribing them in the first place. Anything for money!
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You are right I don't see michael as a drug addict as he was not going for the high he was trying to numb the pain of what the cruel world was throwing at him as all he wanted to do was help people and the creatures of the world it must have been unbearable pain for him this plays on my mind so much
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He admitted to have problems with prescription drugs back then so it might as well be true but Idk
so why would he be in denial when it happened later?
Please eloborate. What do you mean when it happened later ? And how was he in denial ?
ok maybe i misunderstood but i thought that maybe janet was telling that they tried intervention more recently and he was in denial.
another thing that i don't get is that at the time this was supposed to have happened wasn't that around the same time as the oprah interview and didn't we also learn that he started seeing or communicating with lisa marie around that time also.?
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I think the intervention story some family members have been feeding the media is BS. I do not believe it. And I think the Oprah interview was held in 1992 and his drug dependecy issues started in 1993
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I think the intervention story some family members have been feeding the media is BS. I do not believe it. And I think the Oprah interview was held in 1992 and his drug dependecy issues started in 1993
feb. 10th 1993 i just went and checked.. as for the intervention stories think maybe they could have been about then and they are allowing people to presume that they are about now. or he may have had some other problem that they are illuding to.or they want to give the media enough rope to hang themselves.hehe for all anyone knows they may have just all felt that he was being overwhelmed with being a single parent.
it is interesting that someone brought up the possiblity that because the drugs were not of the illegal kind that michael might have considered them not to be a problem. this is from what i understand the same thing that was suggested about elvis.
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I think the intervention story some family members have been feeding the media is BS. I do not believe it. And I think the Oprah interview was held in 1992 and his drug dependecy issues started in 1993
feb. 10th 1993 i just went and checked.. as for the intervention stories think maybe they could have been about then and they are allowing people to presume that they are about now. or he may have had some other problem that they are illuding to.or they want to give the media enough rope to hang themselves.hehe for all anyone knows they may have just all felt that he was being overwhelmed with being a single parent.
it is interesting that someone brought up the possiblity that because the drugs were not of the illegal kind that michael might have considered them not to be a problem. this is from what i understand the same thing that was suggested about elvis.
In the first segment yes u might be right. But Michael thinking Propofol being an legal drug which somehow took away it's danger is not something I believe in either. I think he very well was aware of the effect and downside. Remember that unlike Demerol, Propofol is not a controlled substance which makes it easier to conduct a hoax.
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I think the intervention story some family members have been feeding the media is BS. I do not believe it. And I think the Oprah interview was held in 1992 and his drug dependecy issues started in 1993
feb. 10th 1993 i just went and checked.. as for the intervention stories think maybe they could have been about then and they are allowing people to presume that they are about now. or he may have had some other problem that they are illuding to.or they want to give the media enough rope to hang themselves.hehe for all anyone knows they may have just all felt that he was being overwhelmed with being a single parent.
it is interesting that someone brought up the possiblity that because the drugs were not of the illegal kind that michael might have considered them not to be a problem. this is from what i understand the same thing that was suggested about elvis.
In the first segment yes u might be right. But Michael thinking Propofol being an legal drug which somehow took away it's danger is not something I believe in either. I think he very well was aware of the effect and downside. Remember that unlike Demerol, Propofol is not a controlled substance which makes it easier to conduct a hoax.
i assumed they meant pain meds. the propfol is a horse of a different color.(sorry but the wizard of oz is my favorite movie of all time . keep it in the closet ;) )anyway about the propofol i guess you have missed it but there is no way in you know where i can believe this man was being put to sleep like this . i still say if it is true then he's been dead for a long time or he really no longer has a voice.
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Long time as hours before the offical death annoucement or dead as in years? No longer has a voice? As in he is alive but is unable to preform? Or no longer in control? Lol just want to makes things clear ;)
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i think in order for him not to die at some point from doing this he would have to be intubated. if he was intubated often i think there would most likely be vocal chord damage. jmo
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i think in order for him not to die at some point from doing this he would have to be intubated. if he was intubated often i think there would most likely be vocal chord damage. jmo
oh..yeah that might be the case now. From doing what?
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i think in order for him not to die at some point from doing this he would have to be intubated. if he was intubated often i think there would most likely be vocal chord damage. jmo
oh..yeah that might be the case now. From doing what?
being put to sleep over and over . as like the one reporter was asking that doctor that he was rumored to take him down and bring him back up. there is vid here somewhere.
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Ugh, what a disgusting piece of shameful "work" from the author- one thing that's certain is that he loved spreading those exaggerated and insulting details about his "appearance" on thick, didn't he..?
And I am so tired of all the "evil America" drama that foreign fans are always spreading around about him, there was butchery by the medias, magazines, web sites, everywhere, not just here, for gosh's sake, and every country he went to, those giant elephant herds of shrieking, pulling, pushing fans followed him everywhere and made such hassles for him- those mobs are no joke..! America is not the only country that mistreated him..
Oh, and what in the Lord's name is this "Jesus Christmas" buisness?
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MJ is a very intelligent person. He read lot and lots of books, I am so positive that he read about propofol and its side effects. I am sure he knew that by using propofol his whole body would be asleep, and numb. I got operated long time ago, and believe me when you wake up you are all groggy, you feel nautious, and you want to sleep some more. So if he took propofol, every night to rest, how did he function the next day? I don't know because you can't. I do not know if any one of you got operated, and know what I am talking about. He never took propofol this was all part of his hoax.
By the way, he stated in one of his interview about the U.S.A. not being on his side, but other countries he was number 1 in sales. Just to let you know..
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all4loveandbelieve i absolutely agree with u,i was operated once, though i was just a little kid, i remember very clearly how dizzy and turned off i was for several days, i was not my usual tense, if he was using propofol every day in the incredible amounts as we have been told, he would be absolutely out of mind, look tired, exhausted(as was described in the article above) but instead we see MJ in TII where he was as alert as he has never been, one who is on drugs is not as concious as he was, does not look as healthy and great as he was(not considering the fact how thin he was), does not perform, esp. sing with his full voice as awesome as MJ was singing.
And i agree with u-not sure about the media but Michael has himself stated that his albums were number ones(during and after the trial) in Europe and everywhere but USA.keep the faith