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Michael Jackson -- Nazi Flick Fan?
7/25/2010 8:10 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's ideal double feature -- an Adolf Hitler documentary with a Judy Garland chaser ... that's according to a video distributor who claims to have provided Jackson plenty of both.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/07/25/0725-michael-jackson-hitler-getty-credit.jpg)
Norman Scherer tells the NY Post that MJ had a penchant for collecting Nazi documentaries. Scherer, who owns a videotape distribution company, says Jackson had a "really good collection" -- which included, "Nazis -- Of Pure Blood," "Oasis of the Zombies" and "Hitler's Children."
Scherer also claims Jackson enjoyed Judy Garland's TV specials and dramas depicting troubled boys in dysfunctional families.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/25/michael-j ... y-garland/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/25/michael-jackson-adolf-hitler-nazi-videos-movies-judy-garland/)
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The above article links to this article in the NY Post:
Jacko kicked backo with Nazi vids
By JANET ROTH
Last Updated: 7:24 AM, July 25, 2010
Posted: 2:50 AM, July 25, 2010
Hitler was his thriller.
Michael Jackson had an unquenchable thirst for Nazi documentaries as well as Judy Garland TV specials and dramas depicting troubled boys in dysfunctional families.
He displayed the tapes along the walls of his video vault at the Neverland ranch, according to the King of Pop's former movie peddler.
"Michael Jackson was a very special client to me," said Norman Scherer, owner of a videotape distribution company in the 1990s.
In 1995, Scherer was approached by a New Yorker looking to place big orders for a "famous" client -- as long as he could be discreet.
"He had a really good collection," said Scott Schaffer, Jackson's former personal assistant, who hunted down Scherer to buy obscure titles. "I knew what [Jackson] wanted."
As for the Hitler flicks -- which included such gems as "Nazis -- Of Pure Blood," "Oasis of the Zombies" and "Hitler's Children" -- Scherer assumed that the singer just loved the military garb and lockstep marching.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/j ... z0ui6y3P24 (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/jacko_kicked_backo_with_nazi_vids_AKLISzubBqEdvvv7PVWZXO#ixzz0ui6y3P24)
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Michael was an avid reader and liked History... i also have read a lot about the second World War and Hitler.. doesnt make me a Nazi sympathizer.. with knowledge there is power... MJ chose to educate himself. I dont see why TMZ are making this an issue.
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TMZ is not making this an issue, they are just spreading the BS posted by another news outlet, just like other news outlets have been spreading TMZ's BS (read: carefully compiled messages by MJ's script) since June 25 2009.
Now just keep an eye on Google and watch how fast numerous news outlets are going to copy TMZ's article, you'll be amazed.
Imagine TMZ running the Elvis and MJ story...and the snowball effect... 8-)
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Oh God! So what if he had documentaries and watched those kind of movies? He wanted to educate himself more than he already was on that & we all know it
Why do they always twist everything to confuse the people! They are now trying to say Michael was a huge fan of Hitler and nazism.
This wasn't even relevant yet they still wanted to take advantage of it and make up another story!
Will this never end? Huh.. :cry:
Well screw that and screw TMZ
That's why I don't like the media. Stop the flithy press!
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Ive done a search on Norman Scherer.. and it seems he is a real person who did indeed own a video store:
Since Norman Scherer does business largely by phone and mail-he'll buy, sell, or trade a hard-to-find videotape whether you're calling from Brooklyn or Bhutan-it doesn't matter that his store, Video Oyster, is eccentric. Located in lower Manhattan, the place resembles a media-friendly M.C. Escher landscape: Byzantine passageways snake through towers of videotapes and pop- culture detritus. The walls are covered with New Orleans carnival masks, there's a Scrubbing Bubbles night-light in the bathroom, and rarities like Attack of the Crab Monsters sell for $500. A former staffer at Variety, the Manhattan native, 36, got into the rare- vid biz in 1989, when a store offered him $100 for a copy of Eraserhead. Realizing he could make money off video companies' failure to keep their back catalogs in stock, Scherer started buying up tapes from stores cleaning off their shelves. He now publishes three different collectors' newsletters-Pearls lists 7,000 rare tapes, Half Shell offers clearance bargains, and Raw Oysters compiles out-of-print adult videos. And despite his store's decidedly casual aura, business is great. He recently bought nine copies of 1972's Bluebeard- the one with a Joey Heatherton nude scene-for $100, and unloaded two for $75 each. He just sold a copy of the 1961 Nazi drama Operation Eichman to friends of star Werner Klemperer; it seems Colonel Klink's birthday is coming up. Fads come and go: Disney's recent remake of The Incredible Journey prompted a deluge of calls for the 1964 original. In fact, that company's fare is one of Scherer's staples. ''Disney fans want everything, even the garbage,'' he says. As Scherer speaks, the phone rings; it's answered by his girlfriend, Stella MacNicol, 36, a former pop star in South America. She listens, nods, and says to Scherer, ''I know we're out of Bambi, but what about The Little Mermaid?'' He pauses, then fires back, ''Little Mermaid, uh, $120.'' Ka-ching. Those seeking video arcana are advised to call first (Scherer's number is 212-480-2440) since his store is open to the public only on Wednesdays. That's when the nearby Wall Street businessmen come in and load up on porno. ''The rarest tapes in the country,'' he sighs, ''and they want T&A.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html)
But i also get this when i search his name, which is odd:
http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/ (http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/)
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I think Michael knows more about "The Brave New World" than most of us.
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Maybe that we should read these books ?
Edit: sorry these are videos :lol:
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Hitler's Children (1943)
This propaganda piece starts in 1933. Prof. Nichols' American school in Berlin is next door to a school for the Hitler Youth. Karl, from the latter, is attracted to German-American Anna, but events lead to their separation. Later, at the outbreak of war in Europe, Anna is removed from Nichols' school on presumption of German citizenship. Nichols becomes obsessed with finding her, as Anna undergoes a rather lurid odyssey through the Hitler nightmare.
Oasis of the Zombies (1983)
Robert, a student at an English university, receives word of his father's unexpected death and returns home to Africa. While reading his father's dairies, Robert learns of the obsession that led to his death: $6,000,000 in Nazi gold that remains buried at an oasis in the Sahara desert, protected by the restless, rotting souls who died protecting it. Using his inheritance, Robert bands together with three fellow students to wrest the unclaimed fortune from the dunes of the dead!
Nazis - Of Pure Blood [VHS] (1986):
OF PURE BLOOD is a compelling drama detailing the horrific ramifications of the Nazis' Lebensborn programme.
Lee Remick plays Alicia Browning, a successful New York casting director, who learns that her son (living in Germany) has been mysteriously killed. She gets another shock when she discovers that he fathered a daughter.
Alicia travels to Germany, and uncovers the horrible truth: her granddaughter is embroiled in a revival of the 'Lebensborn' programme, used by the Nazis' during WW2 as a way of breeding perfect Aryan children (the master race). When Alicia discovers that she, too, was a product of the Lebensborn programme, she decides to smuggle her granddaugher out of Germany.
Fine, well-written thriller/drama co-starring Patrick McGoohan, Gottfried John, Richard Munch, Katharina Bohm, Edith Schneider and Carolyn Nelson.
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That is about Judy Garland with this, apart from being the star of the Wizard of Oz and his addictions to drugs, and his untimely death. So says wikipedia;
The demands of the MGM with his nervous breakdown and medication addictive
And despite the success of Judy Garland constantly tended to suffer from frequent breakdowns : his sudden mood swings, anxiety attacks , its abundant and terrible bouts of depression are well known, and is also suspected that he suffered from hallucinations , so he had to go to therapy until the end. She was the golden vein of Metro Golden Mayer and looked to be an " Eternal Dorothy " and there were problems that were worsened by the fact that since the beginning of its contract with Metro Golden Mayer and to impose the frantic pace of a film after another without stopping , the Metro did not put a brake on abuse of his body, groped by an entertainment industry ( the managers and the studio hired at age 13 ) imposing the actress since her teens using drugs to stand for excessive hours of filming: we know that Metro provided for the young Garland constantly barbiturates to sleep the few hours of sleep at his disposal , amphetamines to get up and go back to work and more drugs to control their tendency to gain weight. Let's add them , and a growing amount of tranquilizers to withstand stress, and this was part of the contract. But the excesses of the Metro only deepened their crisis and Garland , this constant dose of drugs that had to consume to endure the relentless pace of work would take her to sharpen their mental disorder , anorexia , alcoholism, drug addiction and a lifelong struggle against his stormy life
In July he returned to the Palace Theatre in New York, to perform 16 concerts with their children Lorna and Joey Luft . During these actions, Garland appeared with bright sequined gowns , costumes originally designed for the tape presonages Valley of the Dolls.[69] Since 1969, his health has declined more markedly. In that same year in the city of London , served for five consecutive weeks at the nightclub Talk of the Town[70] and in March made his last concert Copenhagen.[71] On March 17, 1969 she married businessman Mickey DeansIn the city of London,[72] Herron and his divorce took place on February 11 of that year.[73] Deans who was found dead on 22 June of that year in the bathroom because taking pills to sleep, barbiturates.[74] The official said the singer died of a cardiac arrest accidental. His funeral was attended by over 20,000 people who stayed for hours to lay the remains of Judy.[75] He is buried Ferncliff Cemetery , located in Hartsdale , New York
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Garland (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Garland)
MGM was his drug supplier? .. the other sad face of the entertainment world.
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This morning, I was Googling to learn if there was anything new about that Tom Barrack/Rob Lowe Mega Million Media deal and was sent to a link on the NY Post that claims that Donald Trump is now joining them....the ribbon at the top of that web page showed this story about MJ & Hitler....this is CLASSIC MEDIA BS!....so why am I not surprised that TMZ immediately picked it up and ran with it?....this is a perfect example of the rampant yellow journalism that Michael faced his entire life and now "afterlife"....I haven't checked out the TMZ story yet, but does it also mention, like the NY Post article did, that Hitler was the inspiration for Michael's seeming obsession with the military and lockstep imagery? Talk about going for the jugular! YIKES!
Again....we should always try to read between the lines...especially when things are at their most outrageous! Perhaps it's to grab our attention and re-energize our resolve to support and vindicate Michael's name!
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Paula, we blogged about Judy Garland and the tragedies in her life back in November. For those who are interested: {http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2009/11/29/debunking-“wacko-jacko”-for-once-and-for-all/} Scroll down until you reach "Judy Garland ~ Over The Rainbow".
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You know what my first feeling when I read this article was Army of LOVE !
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That is about Judy Garland with this, apart from being the star of the Wizard of Oz and his addictions to drugs, and his untimely death. So says wikipedia;
The demands of the MGM with his nervous breakdown and medication addictive
And despite the success of Judy Garland constantly tended to suffer from frequent breakdowns : his sudden mood swings, anxiety attacks , its abundant and terrible bouts of depression are well known, and is also suspected that he suffered from hallucinations , so he had to go to therapy until the end. She was the golden vein of Metro Golden Mayer and looked to be an " Eternal Dorothy " and there were problems that were worsened by the fact that since the beginning of its contract with Metro Golden Mayer and to impose the frantic pace of a film after another without stopping , the Metro did not put a brake on abuse of his body, groped by an entertainment industry ( the managers and the studio hired at age 13 ) imposing the actress since her teens using drugs to stand for excessive hours of filming: we know that Metro provided for the young Garland constantly barbiturates to sleep the few hours of sleep at his disposal , amphetamines to get up and go back to work and more drugs to control their tendency to gain weight. Let's add them , and a growing amount of tranquilizers to withstand stress, and this was part of the contract. But the excesses of the Metro only deepened their crisis and Garland , this constant dose of drugs that had to consume to endure the relentless pace of work would take her to sharpen their mental disorder , anorexia , alcoholism, drug addiction and a lifelong struggle against his stormy life
In July he returned to the Palace Theatre in New York, to perform 16 concerts with their children Lorna and Joey Luft . During these actions, Garland appeared with bright sequined gowns , costumes originally designed for the tape presonages Valley of the Dolls.[69] Since 1969, his health has declined more markedly. In that same year in the city of London , served for five consecutive weeks at the nightclub Talk of the Town[70] and in March made his last concert Copenhagen.[71] On March 17, 1969 she married businessman Mickey DeansIn the city of London,[72] Herron and his divorce took place on February 11 of that year.[73] Deans who was found dead on 22 June of that year in the bathroom because taking pills to sleep, barbiturates.[74] The official said the singer died of a cardiac arrest accidental. His funeral was attended by over 20,000 people who stayed for hours to lay the remains of Judy.[75] He is buried Ferncliff Cemetery , located in Hartsdale , New York
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Garland (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy_Garland)
MGM was his drug supplier? .. the other sad face of the entertainment world.
Thanks for this, Paula...I'm a little confused why the pronoun, "he" is used throughout when referring to Judy Garland, but whatever....it is very true that Judy Garland was very similar to Michael in many ways...both positive and negative...born with ungodly (or shouldn't we say, "godly"?) talent....pushed by a domineering, abusive parent....performing from a wee, young age and supporting their family, even adults, along the way....in Judy's case, however, the drugs were supplied to her as a young teen to make her lose weight and keep her working long hours....she, like Michael, was DEFINITELY a Golden Vein....when you watch her Tour de Force performance in The Wizard of Oz, it is completely heartbreaking to learn about what was happening to her off set during the making of the film...and then when you watch her life play out.....(shaking head here).....truly, an American Tragedy....when she died at age 47, she looked 20 years older than that...poor, poor Judy! No wonder Michael could relate to her....it seems that he sought out others his whole life who had similar life experiences....but I guess all humans tend to do that....but in his case, he was so unique that others like him also had unique lives too....one of the best things I've ever seen about Judy's story was a mini-series called, "Me And My Shadow", starring Tammy Blanchard as the teen Judy and Judy Davis as the adult Judy....very well done....I highly recommend it to anyone with interest in her life.
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=inf ... all&ref=mf (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=mf&gid=184681452302#!/group.php?gid=184681452302&v=wall&ref=mf)
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http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/ (http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/)
The site has a facebook link http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=inf ... 4681452302 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=mf&gid=184681452302)
and here is Norman's account http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=inf ... 0511788787 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=mf&gid=184681452302#!/profile.php?id=100000511788787)
He put vids of Michael in the group wall but i don't know if its the same Norman from the news
Woah.. check out the wall to that facebook... Norman Schercher has posted a load of Michael Jackson vidoes!!!
Another coincidence?
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"Hitler's Children"... we know that Michael loves children and said that they are our future which is very true. In reality Hitler represents the contrary of what Michael is of course, as if it was necessary to say it :oops: but the "link" lies for example here with the children. They are the future and Hitler knew that, that's why he "cared" for them in his own way at an early age and it is still the case nowadays children are being taken care of by the governements not really by the families. They are being teached lies at school, God's law is almost totally forgotten, "ignorance of the law is no excuse" yes men-made laws are supposed to be known but God's laws are put aside which is absolutely not the right thing to do.
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Hitler's Children (1943)
This propaganda piece starts in 1933. Prof. Nichols' American school in Berlin is next door to a school for the Hitler Youth. Karl, from the latter, is attracted to German-American Anna, but events lead to their separation. Later, at the outbreak of war in Europe, Anna is removed from Nichols' school on presumption of German citizenship. Nichols becomes obsessed with finding her, as Anna undergoes a rather lurid odyssey through the Hitler nightmare.
Oasis of the Zombies (1983)
Robert, a student at an English university, receives word of his father's unexpected death and returns home to Africa. While reading his father's dairies, Robert learns of the obsession that led to his death: $6,000,000 in Nazi gold that remains buried at an oasis in the Sahara desert, protected by the restless, rotting souls who died protecting it. Using his inheritance, Robert bands together with three fellow students to wrest the unclaimed fortune from the dunes of the dead!
Nazis - Of Pure Blood [VHS] (1986):
OF PURE BLOOD is a compelling drama detailing the horrific ramifications of the Nazis' Lebensborn programme.
Lee Remick plays Alicia Browning, a successful New York casting director, who learns that her son (living in Germany) has been mysteriously killed. She gets another shock when she discovers that he fathered a daughter.
Alicia travels to Germany, and uncovers the horrible truth: her granddaughter is embroiled in a revival of the 'Lebensborn' programme, used by the Nazis' during WW2 as a way of breeding perfect Aryan children (the master race). When Alicia discovers that she, too, was a product of the Lebensborn programme, she decides to smuggle her granddaugher out of Germany.
Fine, well-written thriller/drama co-starring Patrick McGoohan, Gottfried John, Richard Munch, Katharina Bohm, Edith Schneider and Carolyn Nelson.
These aren't even documentaries, but movies - or at best, docudramas. Just more media spin.
NY Post article:
"In 1995, Scherer was approached by a New Yorker looking to place big orders for a "famous" client -- as long as he could be discreet."
I guess he needs to look the meaning of "discreet" up in the dictionary. Seriously, where do these people come from? Or even sadder, who tracks them down and considers this newsworthy? ...I know, I know. The almighty dollar.
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Another Huge MJ/Judy Connection....check out these two youtubes...I am sorry, but my computer is not letting me embed...if someone else could do it, I'd appreciate it!
Judy Garland/"Get Happy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-rBZREQMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-rBZREQMw)
Michael Jackson/"Dangerous" (1995 MTV Performance)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8i4L02zoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8i4L02zoo)
Yeah, I'd say MJ watched a little Judy on the side....
;)
Peace!
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wasn't there a conversation in the rabbi's book with him asking michael something about him thinking he could have changed hitler (don't know if cahnged was the right word) and michael said something like yeah i don't think anybody talked to him or whatever?
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Thanks Mo and thanks heisinme09 ;)
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Another Huge MJ/Judy Connection....check out these two youtubes...I am sorry, but my computer is not letting me embed...if someone else could do it, I'd appreciate it!
Judy Garland/"Get Happy"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-rBZREQMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U-rBZREQMw)
Michael Jackson/"Dangerous" (1995 MTV Performance)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8i4L02zoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8i4L02zoo)
Yeah, I'd say MJ watched a little Judy on the side....
;)
Peace!
and performed also
[youtube:27pw1wig]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uc0plr-tiU[/youtube:27pw1wig]
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judy garland mother of liza minilli(sp)
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http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/01/two- ... lives.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/01/two-icons-two-lives.html)
Two Icons, Two Lives
The parallels between Michael Jackson and Judy Garland are haunting.
In the wake of Michael Jackson's death, I've found myself returning to the interview I did with Lorna Luft for my current book, The Lives Our Mothers Leave Us. She spoke poignantly and honestly about her mother, Judy Garland—the fame that came so early, the prescription drugs that also came early, and the people around her who cared more about her fame than her health. The parallels between Judy's life and Michael's are haunting.
Like Michael Jackson, Judy Garland began performing as a child. Her talent was indisputable, a God-given gift that propelled her out of any kind of normal childhood and into a world of adults who knew her value and knew how to market her.
Lorna told me that by the time Judy was a teenager, the cycle of pills had begun. Pills to keep her weight down, pills to help her sleep. They were provided by the studios and sanctioned by Judy's mother, who saw her daughter as a commodity, a paycheck. It was, in the end, what killed her.
While we still don't know the complete autopsy findings on Michael Jackson, the flood of stories coming out about his dependency on prescription drugs can't be ignored. Uri Geller, a friend of Michael's, says the people around Jackson kept supplying him with medications— doctors, handlers, people who needed to protect their investment.
The iconic nature of both Michael Jackson's and Judy Garland's careers puts them in rarified air. This is not just gossip-magazine fame. This is not ordinary people who stumbled into a hefty paycheck on a reality show and squeeze out every last drop from their 15 minutes in the spotlight.
Those who are born with a towering talent, something that can't be contained or even understood, never have a chance at a normal life. The world grabs onto them early and can't get enough. The demands are daunting, the crowds are huge, the spotlight is blinding. There is little or no opportunity to grow slowly and organically into a knowledge of who can be trusted and who should be avoided.
One of the most heartbreaking parts in Lorna's chapter is her recollection of her own efforts, as a young girl, to keep her mother from overdosing: "It was my responsibility as a kid to regulate her pills. I remember sitting in hotel rooms, opening capsules, emptying out the drugs, and filling the capsules with sugar. I was taught to never, ever call an ambulance no matter what happened. I was to call my father or someone else—NEVER an ambulance because it would get into the press."
Therein lies the biggest danger of a life lived in so much brightness, with so many eyes watching—the fragility of a human being gets overlooked, even disregarded. Artists—true artists who arrive on this earth bearing gifts that make the rest of us stand in awe—often don't have tough skins and well-honed survival skills. They don't have the stamina of warriors, they have the souls of poets. And that makes them easy prey.
There will always be doctors ready to write prescriptions for stars whose unearthly talent has placed them in a category all their own. There will always be managers, agents, investors who care more about the image than the human being. And when all the elements come together in a perfect storm of greed and mishandling, the rest of us will again grieve the passing of an artist whose work will endure for generations.
Hopefully, some stories will end differently because someone will intervene, speak up sooner, reach through the glare of the spotlight and rescue a person who, while born with a talent that eclipses the sun, is still flesh and blood, is still just a human being who wants to create, and trust, and live.
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If you want to defeat evil, you got to study it.
If you want to defeat your enemies, keep them close.
Everyone should watch Nazi documentaries.
Repeatedly. For staying awake.
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wasn't there a conversation in the rabbi's book with him asking michael something about him thinking he could have changed hitler (don't know if cahnged was the right word) and michael said something like yeah i don't think anybody talked to him or whatever?
Yeah, Michael said that he would have wanted to "hug" Hitler or something, that a tormented soul like his only needed love. He said he believed he could have changed him, yeah. He said that about a lot of criminals, not just Hitler. And he said that LMP didn't like that about him, she felt that criminals didn't deserve love. :
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That is true Grace :geek:
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OMG, why does the media insist tabloid trash for wanting to continue to harm the reputation of MJ? It is not enough what they've done over two decades? What is the problem of someone knowing the story, just because he is MJ, it would anti-semita/racista? Why is TMZ and others do it so badly? I really do not understand why harm the reputation of Mike, he never hurt anyone, quite the contrary! God, I do not understand .. :cry:
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wasn't there a conversation in the rabbi's book with him asking michael something about him thinking he could have changed hitler (don't know if cahnged was the right word) and michael said something like yeah i don't think anybody talked to him or whatever?
Yeah, Michael said that he would have wanted to "hug" Hitler or something, that a tormented soul like his only needed love. He said he believed he could have changed him, yeah. He said that about a lot of criminals, not just Hitler. And he said that LMP didn't like that about him, she felt that criminals didn't deserve love. :
Michael Jackson -- I Could Have Touched Hitler
Originally posted Sep 25th 2009 5:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson truly believed that he could have charmed Hitler out of doing that thing he did back in the '40s, if only he could have had a sit-down conversation with the guy.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/09/25/0925_hitler_jackson_3260404_getty_large_2-1.jpg)
It's all according to a report from The Sun ... who's quoting Michael's friend Rabbi Shmuley ... who says he has a tape of Michael making the comments for an interview the two did a while back. We'll believe it when we hear it....
But in the report, Michael is also quoted as calling Hitler a "genius orator" -- a statement similar to the one Aubrey O'Day made on Fox News a few weeks ago.
Here's a partial transcript from the supposed interview:
Shmuley: "You believe that if you had an hour with Hitler you could somehow touch something inside of him?"
Jackson: "Absolutely. I know I could ... You have to help them, give them therapy, teach them that somewhere, something in their life went wrong."
Unfortunately, Jackson was born in 1958 ... about 13 years after Hitler killed himself.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/25/michael-j ... ed-hitler/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/25/michael-jackson-i-could-have-touched-hitler/)
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:lol: :lol: this is ridiculous.
The first thing that jumps out at me is this statement…
“that's according to a video distributor who claims”
Only three are mentioned and they are all of a different genre. I’m sure Michael had a huge collection of videos on many subjects. I think it would be safe to say he enjoyed a good horror movie and a well-presented documentary.
Also, the NY Post article makes it sound like he secreted the videos in an underground vault as though he was hiding something. This was probably just a room where he stored his huge collection. "Displayed along the walls" :lol: doesn’t that just mean on shelves!!!
I have a small collection of videos (err DVD’s actually :? ) on subjects ranging from The Queen to Michael Collins. Does this mean I’m obsessed with Royalty and Irish Republicanism? I don’t think so…they’re just good movies!!
I agree with Mo. Let’s see how fast this story spreads.
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If you want to defeat evil, you got to study it.
If you want to defeat your enemies, keep them close.
Everyone should watch Nazi documentaries.
Repeatedly. For staying awake.
you will probably find that some of these things are already happening right where you are. even if you are in the u.s.
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Was Hitler gay ?
Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says ...
Adolf Hitler was gay - or so says a sensational new biography on the Nazi dictator
Eyewitness accounts from Hitler's former lovers, and historical documents that for the first time illuminate rumours that have circulated for over half a century, are disclosed in Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator .
The respected German historian Lothar Machtan even claims in his book that Hitler ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing.
Ernst Röhm, the leader of Hitler's Sturm Abteilung or Storm Troopers, tried to blackmail Hitler by threatening to reveal his sexuality. Röhm, who was also gay, was murdered as a result, according to Machtan, a history teacher at Bremen University.
He refers to scores of historical documents to support his thesis. In 1915, the young Hitler was a dispatch rider at the front in France. Years later, yet before Hitler became infamous, one of his fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs: 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' Schmidl, otherwise known as Ernst Schmidt, and Hitler were 'inseparable lovers' for five years, according to Machtan.
Hitler's service notes read that as a result of the love affair there was reluctance among senior officers to promote him. According to Erich Ebermeier, a lawyer and writer who viewed Hitler's military files years later: 'Despite his bravery towards the enemy, because of his homosexual activity he lost out on a promotion to non-commissioned officer.'
Police reports from Munich after the First World War also suggest that Hitler was pursued by police because of his sexual orientation. 'As a "brown" [fascist] activist, Hitler managed to lure many young men to his side, but not only for political reasons,' says Machtan.
According to a Munich police protocol from the early part of the 20th century, a 22-year-old man called Joseph told the police: 'I spent the whole night with him.' Another, Michael, who was 18, told them: 'I had been unemployed for months, and my mother and my brother were always hungry, so, at his request, I accompanied the man to his home.' Another, a boy called Franz, said: 'He asked me if I'd like to stay with him and he told me his name was Adolf Hitler.'
The police reports were collected by Otto von Lossow, a German army general who took part in suppressing the Hitler putsch in 1923. He kept the Munich police file for years, as, he described it, 'a form of personal life insurance'. If Hitler had attempted to push him aside, he would have blackmailed him with the information, he said. The police documents were published some years ago in Rome by Eugen Dollmann, a close friend of Heinrich Himmler's and also Hitler's interpreter. But because his book never appeared in German, the startling information remained largely overlooked by historians.
Machtan says that Hitler was particularly drawn to Rudolf Hess, his deputy, who was known in party circles as 'black Emma' and with whom he had spent months in Landsberg prison.
Why, then, did the Nazis persecute homosexuals, sending hundreds of thousands of them to their deaths in labour camps and the gas chambers?
'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours,' Machtan says.
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wasn't there a conversation in the rabbi's book with him asking michael something about him thinking he could have changed hitler (don't know if cahnged was the right word) and michael said something like yeah i don't think anybody talked to him or whatever?
I remember this too - I don't think there's anything wrong with Michael watching these types of films. Why did he need to stick with the Peter Pan type movies? Are people surprised that he was a deep individual? They shouldn't be. I personally think like many of you - that he had a vast interest in history and children and he sought to continually develop his knowledge of world history.
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Of course there is nothing wrong with Michael see those movies, I have seen lots of those movies as well as many of you, and no we are not Nazis, unlike hate those things.
The problem with the media is once again they will have to twist the truth and maybe submit to Michael as someone who had sympathy with those things
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If you want to defeat evil, you got to study it.
If you want to defeat your enemies, keep them close.
Everyone should watch Nazi documentaries.
Repeatedly. For staying awake.
you will probably find that some of these things are already happening right where you are. even if you are in the u.s.
The Shoah-business it is called here sometimes. They repeatedly talk about the Shoah in TV I think it's one of the most known historical "event" in the world. There are also a lot of movies about it.
They program it on TV in particular and targeted moments that's why it's called "business". I don't say that it must not be talked about but it should be good that they tell the whole truth about this part of History.
Now there are other atrocities and they are happening right now it should be good to talk about it too. It makes me think of the Berlin Wall that was teared down in 1991 (if I remember well) and many people gathered togheter in memory of this event to celebrate freedom and the tearing down of the wall. It's good to think and remember History to not repeat the bad parts no ? The thing is that there is the same kind of ugly wall built in Israel right now and nobody's really talking about it or demonstrating against it. When you really fight for freedom and justice there are also priorities. In reality there are a lot of hypocrites and people who have no real principles. To not repeat History they say...
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[youtube:dy17ezas]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR98TQVnCQc&feature=related[/youtube:dy17ezas]
Dont forget that Michael love Chaplin's movies as well.
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Hitler's Children (1943)
This propaganda piece starts in 1933. Prof. Nichols' American school in Berlin is next door to a school for the Hitler Youth. Karl, from the latter, is attracted to German-American Anna, but events lead to their separation. Later, at the outbreak of war in Europe, Anna is removed from Nichols' school on presumption of German citizenship. Nichols becomes obsessed with finding her, as Anna undergoes a rather lurid odyssey through the Hitler nightmare.
Oasis of the Zombies (1983)
Robert, a student at an English university, receives word of his father's unexpected death and returns home to Africa. While reading his father's dairies, Robert learns of the obsession that led to his death: $6,000,000 in Nazi gold that remains buried at an oasis in the Sahara desert, protected by the restless, rotting souls who died protecting it. Using his inheritance, Robert bands together with three fellow students to wrest the unclaimed fortune from the dunes of the dead!
Nazis - Of Pure Blood [VHS] (1986):
OF PURE BLOOD is a compelling drama detailing the horrific ramifications of the Nazis' Lebensborn programme.
Lee Remick plays Alicia Browning, a successful New York casting director, who learns that her son (living in Germany) has been mysteriously killed. She gets another shock when she discovers that he fathered a daughter.
Alicia travels to Germany, and uncovers the horrible truth: her granddaughter is embroiled in a revival of the 'Lebensborn' programme, used by the Nazis' during WW2 as a way of breeding perfect Aryan children (the master race). When Alicia discovers that she, too, was a product of the Lebensborn programme, she decides to smuggle her granddaugher out of Germany.
Fine, well-written thriller/drama co-starring Patrick McGoohan, Gottfried John, Richard Munch, Katharina Bohm, Edith Schneider and Carolyn Nelson.
i think theres a reason why these particular movies were mentioned....clue maybe? unexpected and mysterious deaths??
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“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
– George Santayana
Love that quote.
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:shock: God, I'm disgusted with the lack of work ethic of people like Norman Scherer, I think that even after the person is no longer here, should be respected in the name of their privacy and their family members. I also think the family or the legal representatives of the interests and image of MJ should sue these people and the tabloid-trash, which they insist to distort facts and ruin your reputation. Very sad what is happening. :shock:
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I wonder if this news has anything to do with another public TMZ on 10th June 2010, about a wrongful death lawsuit that Joe Jackson and the family lawyer against AEG.
Linking with the addition of Judy Garland and MGM being their drug supplier. The news says;
TMZ has learned Brian Oxman, Joe's lawyer, will file two complaints with government agencies -- alleging AEG abused Jackson in a way that led to his death.
Sources tell us ... Oxman plans to lodge a complaint with the United States Attorney General, alleging AEG violated the Americans with Disabilities Act. Specifically, we're told Oxman's theory is that AEG knew Michael was a drug addict and was effectively disabled, yet he was pressured to keep a grueling and dangerous work schedule to prepare for the London concerts.
We're also told Oxman plans to file a complaint with the Medical Board of California, alleging AEG was dictating Michael's medical treatment to the point it became the unauthorized practice of medicine.
Sources say Oxman will soon file a wrongful death lawsuit against Dr. Conrad Murray, alleging he was responsible for Michael Jackson's death. We're told Oxman will not name AEG when he files, but may add the company as a defendant if the discovery process unearths evidence that AEG is culpable.
Attorney Charles Peckham, Dr. Murray's lawyer, would not confirm the story, but tells TMZ, "Mr. Oxman has some questions with regard to AEG's participation in the last days of Michael Jackson's life and he should ask those questions."
We spoke with Michael Roth from AEG, who had no immediate comment.
UPDATE: Brian Oxman tells TMZ the complaints with the Attorney General and the Medical Board of California will both be filed before the anniversary of Michael's death -- June 25.
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12473 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12473)
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/10/conrad-mu (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/10/conrad-mu) ... te-london/
Well, maybe we are saying that this practice is common, making artists addicted to drugs.
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The first thing I thought of when I saw Judy Garland's name mentioned. The wizard of Oz, Emerald City, Follow the yellow brick road, "There's no place like home"(Neverland, Encino).
Maybe the article was not posted because of the interest in Hitler, but maybe things that are connected to Judy Garland.. We might need to go back and figure out what we may have missed with the wizard of oz. I noticed something when I was looking through one of my cd sets. One of the studios that a song was recorded was called "The yellow brick road". Let me go and find it and I will edit my post. This might lead to something.
Ok, I found it. It is in Michael Jackson, Ultimate collection
Disc 2
song 6
P.Y.T. (Pretty young thing) (Demo)3:46
James Ingram - Quincy Jones
Eisman Music Co (BMI) / Hen-Al Publishing (BMI)/
Kings Road Music (BMI)/ WB Music Corp. obo YellowBrick Road Music (ASCAP)
Recorded 4-10/82
Arrangements by James Ingram and Quincy Jones
Produced by Quincy Jones
previously unissued.
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What gets me is the choice of words that journalists use when they want to sway the readers to adopt a certain opinion. It's done all the time. For instance the first Hitler movie, "Hitler's Children", is called a "propaganda" piece. And just what exactly does Hollywood do when they glorify war to their own young men, would it not be considered propaganda to much of the world, such as Iraq and Aphganistan who have suffered so much. Any Hollywood production is considered, drama based on a true story, though I've read somewhere that only 10% might actually be true, the rest fiction meant to groom audiences to think and feel a certain way according to "their" agenda. When have we, in North America, ever heard anything on Hitler and 2 World War from the perspective of Germans who have been completely villified for over 60 years, just as have been Moslems and Arabs in the last 10 to 15 years. I know this is a VERY taboo topic, one that is never to be touched. I have friends who are German. There was/is a major collective effort to villify Germans and it relates to 911, same parties. All education in schools, universities, books --none are unbiased. We hear almost 100% of the perspective of Hitler and most war interpretation from the perspective of a certain group of people located mostly in Hollywood and media, who are the puppets for a higher group we have discussed before. True media, historians, journalism, anthropology, science, etc. are supposed to be unbiased, objective, checking all sources, finding a wide variety of sources. That's why in every court of law, you have a defending and prosecuting lawyer to get to the truth, so that innocent people don't do prison time while the guillty go free. It's only recently in Canada that we've heard from the perspective of native First Nations people on what they experienced throughout the years Europeans took over the land. Victors, not losers have almost always written the history that we study in schools. Losers were either wiped out, or in too weakened, self-loathing or fearful a state to express their perspective on what went on. Remember that saying we heard here, "Three can keep a secret if 2 are dead." There's a LOT of history that didn't happen the way we think it did. This SO parallels what the media did to Michael Jackson. By choice of words they villified and demeaned and tortured him. They made up stories when they didn't have enough details, and turned the whole world against a man who was the opposite of what they said, someone who deeply cared for the welfare of thousands of children who have suffered. This is similar what happened during the years of slavery, when the slave-owners justified their actions as good, and portrayed blacks as not deserving of equal respect, and consequently 100's of millions suffered or died. Most religions villify those who don't believe as they do, and call the other false, and only they themselves have the truth.
Michael, since he already obviously studied a great deal on the topic of the Illuminati, the NWO, and media lies, (and many, many other classic and unusual topics--10,000 book library) would quite naturally have been studying the other side of the story when it comes to Hitler and Germany in the war years. It's a huge, huge rabbit-hole, one I've been down deeply. It is all very related and very complex. TIAI said, "Do you think for yourself?" Do you dig and research to get all sides of a story, or do you just accept what the media says about something, especially when their sources might not be reliable or reflect an agenda. Matthew 10:26-27 Jesus says (was this the redirect verse, not sure):
"Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. What I tell you in darkness, [that] speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, [that] preach ye upon the housetops."
But I still have to add, that it's all part of the master plan of God, one gigantic drama with layers, twists and turns. He is in complete control, and loves each human being that ever lived, and the future is scary but bright. IMO
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MJonmind: even though your post was long, it kept my attention very well. It got me to thinking that I really don't know much about what is going on around me, either past or present. I tend to close my eyes and ears because I don't know what is a fact or a media lie. It's even hard to turn on the local news because it is just so depressing. Thank you for your post and helping to open my eyes and ears to what is going on around me.
This might just be another part of Michael's message that I just now got. So, thank you very much! :P
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Was Hitler gay ?
Hitler was gay - and killed to hide it, book says ...
Adolf Hitler was gay - or so says a sensational new biography on the Nazi dictator
Eyewitness accounts from Hitler's former lovers, and historical documents that for the first time illuminate rumours that have circulated for over half a century, are disclosed in Hitler's Secret: The Double Life of a Dictator .
The respected German historian Lothar Machtan even claims in his book that Hitler ordered the deaths of several high-ranking Nazis to prevent the secret of his homosexuality from surfacing.
Ernst Röhm, the leader of Hitler's Sturm Abteilung or Storm Troopers, tried to blackmail Hitler by threatening to reveal his sexuality. Röhm, who was also gay, was murdered as a result, according to Machtan, a history teacher at Bremen University.
He refers to scores of historical documents to support his thesis. In 1915, the young Hitler was a dispatch rider at the front in France. Years later, yet before Hitler became infamous, one of his fellow soldiers, Hans Mend, wrote in his memoirs: 'At night, Hitler lay with Schmidl, his male whore.' Schmidl, otherwise known as Ernst Schmidt, and Hitler were 'inseparable lovers' for five years, according to Machtan.
Hitler's service notes read that as a result of the love affair there was reluctance among senior officers to promote him. According to Erich Ebermeier, a lawyer and writer who viewed Hitler's military files years later: 'Despite his bravery towards the enemy, because of his homosexual activity he lost out on a promotion to non-commissioned officer.'
Police reports from Munich after the First World War also suggest that Hitler was pursued by police because of his sexual orientation. 'As a "brown" [fascist] activist, Hitler managed to lure many young men to his side, but not only for political reasons,' says Machtan.
According to a Munich police protocol from the early part of the 20th century, a 22-year-old man called Joseph told the police: 'I spent the whole night with him.' Another, Michael, who was 18, told them: 'I had been unemployed for months, and my mother and my brother were always hungry, so, at his request, I accompanied the man to his home.' Another, a boy called Franz, said: 'He asked me if I'd like to stay with him and he told me his name was Adolf Hitler.'
The police reports were collected by Otto von Lossow, a German army general who took part in suppressing the Hitler putsch in 1923. He kept the Munich police file for years, as, he described it, 'a form of personal life insurance'. If Hitler had attempted to push him aside, he would have blackmailed him with the information, he said. The police documents were published some years ago in Rome by Eugen Dollmann, a close friend of Heinrich Himmler's and also Hitler's interpreter. But because his book never appeared in German, the startling information remained largely overlooked by historians.
Machtan says that Hitler was particularly drawn to Rudolf Hess, his deputy, who was known in party circles as 'black Emma' and with whom he had spent months in Landsberg prison.
Why, then, did the Nazis persecute homosexuals, sending hundreds of thousands of them to their deaths in labour camps and the gas chambers?
'Hitler himself never condemned homosexuality, but he allowed the persecution of gays in order to disguise his own true colours,' Machtan says.
Along with all his other "wonderful" attributes, it is now discovered that Hitler was a raving HYPOCRITE? What a shocker!!! Not the first time I've heard of a gay man (or bisexual) on the Down Low being one of the worst to discrimate against the very activity they are engaging in....CLASSIC!....but as for Michael, his Hitler comments to Rabbi Schmuley only indicate to me his compassion and caring for all mankind....even for those such as HITLER, who is universally thought of as the ultimate WORST man in all of history....I think Mike was sort of like Jesus in that way...."Hate the sin, not the sinner"...that's where I think he was coming from with this.
Peace!
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In his speech on July 6, 2002, Michael said himself that he was tired of the history books being manipulated to tell lies (paraphrasing here)....he knew....he took this opportunity to speak out about it...however, at the time, I don't know how seriously he was taken....even Al Sharpton, who stood by his side, was taken aback by his comments and back-pedaled to Tommy Motolla afterward, I read....but during this time of his life, Michael was realizing that he had a duty...an OBLIGATION..... to speak the truth....now, in retrospect, after his "death", people are taking him more seriously...I feel he started getting "political" with his HIStory material and then by the time "Invincible" came out, I think he was in such pain from the way he'd been treated, that he really started channeling his outrage slowing, but surely, and more vocally...little did he know what was about to happen to him in the next few years....little did he know that he was about to be arrested and prosecuted in a Round Two of false allegations, custom-made to destroy his reputation and thus, himself....this is no coincidence, People....he was SILENCED....The Powers That Be were threatened by his global appeal and the power that he had begun to realize he had....this wasn't about singing songs to make people happy and to dance around....this was about getting out a MESSAGE....and that message could not be tolerated....it's very clear to me....I believe this is all an integral part of why The Hoax had to happen....his legions of fans around the world would respond to him with an utter devotion had to be squelched....but, as Michael said at a later speech, "Little did they know that I, the performer, would "outthink" them".....that is one mouthful....that is KEY and one of the first clues he ever gave us for what was to come!
Peace!
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MJonmind: even though your post was long, it kept my attention very well. It got me to thinking that I really don't know much about what is going on around me, either past or present. I tend to close my eyes and ears because I don't know what is a fact or a media lie. It's even hard to turn on the local news because it is just so depressing. Thank you for your post and helping to open my eyes and ears to what is going on around me.
This might just be another part of Michael's message that I just now got. So, thank you very much! :P
Thanks for responding. Many people have "accidently" died and many spent years in prison, trying to get some of these controversial things out in the open. Sarahli mentioned Shoah-business, yes, very big money involved. Tip of the ice-berg. Michael was probably getting dangerously close to revealing things, and that's why his life was threatened and his reputation ruined, to nullify anything he might have to say.
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In his speech on July 6, 2002, Michael said himself that he was tired of the history books being manipulated to tell lies (paraphrasing here)....he knew....he took this opportunity to speak out about it...however, at the time, I don't know how seriously he was taken....even Al Sharpton, who stood by his side, was taken aback by his comments and back-pedaled to Tommy Motolla afterward, I read....but during this time of his life, Michael was realizing that he had a duty...an OBLIGATION..... to speak the truth....now, in retrospect, after his "death", people are taking him more seriously...I feel he started getting "political" with his HIStory material and then by the time "Invincible" came out, I think he was in such pain from the way he'd been treated, that he really started channeling his outrage slowing, but surely, and more vocally...little did he know what was about to happen to him in the next few years....little did he know that he was about to be arrested and prosecuted in a Round Two of false allegations, custom-made to destroy his reputation and thus, himself....this is no coincidence, People....he was SILENCED....The Powers That Be were threatened by his global appeal and the power that he had begun to realize he had....this wasn't about singing songs to make people happy and to dance around....this was about getting out a MESSAGE....and that message could not be tolerated....it's very clear to me....I believe this is all an integral part of why The Hoax had to happen....his legions of fans around the world would respond to him with an utter devotion had to be squelched....but, as Michael said at a later speech, "Little did they know that I, the performer, would "outthink" them".....that is one mouthful....that is KEY and one of the first clues he ever gave us for what was to come!
Peace!
:( You know, there are important forces that continue to work to ruin the reputation and legacy of Mike, so I wonder if he had the opportunity to save himself, as he was surrounded by people with bad intentions and that he may not have noticed. He could count on government protection? Who could support you? Does he have true friends? I think Mike should not have returned to the U.S., he could have chosen a beautiful place to live well and happily with their children without having to go through the pain of a return to the stage, it seems that he was tired, he wanted to work with other things , films, for example. He does not need to come back because he had already given much joy to the fans for about 40 years. That's why I feel a little guilty, selfish. Unfortunately, we are only now aware of all the evils that surrounded him. :cry:
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Michael was an avid reader and liked History... i also have read a lot about the second World War and Hitler.. doesnt make me a Nazi sympathizer.. with knowledge there is power... MJ chose to educate himself. I dont see why TMZ are making this an issue.
Well-said, DancingTheDream! Yes, MJ is an avid reader and a lover of History. I think he had over 10,000 books in his personal library at Neverland. MJ is a great lover of knowledge and education. I am a lover of military history of all time periods. I have watched many films about World War I & II in my time. I am truly shocked that TMZ would hit below the belt like this :shock: . The Holocaust is no laughing matter at all to me. It is a very dark period in human history. I have met many Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. What precious souls these survivors are. I love the Jewish people and their culture. My Lord and My Saviour, Jesus Christ, is a Jew. Without the Jewish people, I would not have my salvation without the line of David that Jesus Christ came through. MJ loved and had many Jewish friends in his lifetime.
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http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/64730.aspx (http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/64730.aspx)
July 25, 2010, (Sawf News) - A story suggesting that Michael Jackson had a secret collection of Nazi documentaries, appears to be an unfortunate distortion of the facts.
The story, carried by NY Post and echoed by TMZ, has been spun by both the outlets to suggest that MJ was into Nazi ideology, when there is no evidence of that.
The story is based on Michael Jackson's purchase of Nazi documentaries, from November 1995 to March 1996, from a rare video tape and old TV shows distribution company - Video Oyster - run by Norman Scherer.
Jackson's former personal assistant, Scott Schaffer, reportedly hunted Scherer down and acted as the go-between.
According to the story, the Hitler flicks that Michael Jackson procured from Scherer included titles like "Nazis -- Of Pure Blood," "Oasis of the Zombies" and "Hitler's Children."
While telling the NY Post about the MJ's purchase of the videos, Scherer also told them that he thought the pop star had purchased the documentaries because he just loved the military garb and lockstep marching. The NY Post carried Scherer's opinion, but smothered it under its MJ-was-into-Nazis spin.
TMZ completely ignored what Scherer told the NY Post, and to make their sinister spin stick they put a photo of Hitler in full Nazi regalia next to a photo of MJ.
Scherer, who has since moved on from his rare tape business and is now into educating kids about NYC history, is pained at how the tabloid press has slanted his statements.
"The story about me selling Michael Jackson videos is true, but the slant that he was a Hitler fan may not be true," he tells Sawf News, with circumspection that the folks at TMZ and NY Post could do well to emulate.
"I believe he was more interested in the fashion and movement aspect of Hitler and the Nazis," Scherer adds.
Scherer had a lot of respect for MJ, who purchased videos worth $45,000 from him. He unabashedly admits that MJ was the "best customer that Video Oyster ever had."
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Thanks Mo. You're right, I checked Google and there are already numerous articles about it 8-)
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A very important step. (Every month a new one ;) )
First, this is another chapter of trying a cleansing for Michael's name.
It is vital to discuss the twisted statements that pictured him (and continue to do so) being completely nuts.
It is up to us to speak up and stop this mud as Michael has no voice except us.
Second, this raises the attention and triggers the understanding for the offspring of today's Naziism. Knowing about this current is essential to being able to notice the hidden Naziism in today's world. It is not helpful to focus on politically right-minded currents only when using the word Naziism.
The origin of Naziism is simple and happens every day:
it is a comparison and the claim of "I am better than you".
I think the titles of the movies are speaking for themselves in drawing our attention to the flow of events:
Hitler's Children (1943)
Oasis of the Zombies (1983)
Nazis - Of Pure Blood [VHS] (1986)
There is evidence that not few of the "old Nazis" were protected, supported, exported to the U.S. and even explicitely were employed by the U.S. and other "victory nations".
The support of U.S. intelligence for Nazis started when Hitler was gaining power still.
How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Third Reich to Fortune 500: Five Popular Brands the Nazis Gave Us
http://www.cracked.com/article_15767_th ... z0ulLX5jO4 (http://www.cracked.com/article_15767_third-reich-fortune-500-five-popular-brands-nazis-gave-us.html#ixzz0ulLX5jO4)
Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0508-05.htm
You thought all evil was once concentrated in one location and erased from planet earth?
Dream on with Hollywood and Bollywood and your TV "program". Far from being true.
Hitler's children are still very much alive and of pure blood after having survived in comfortable cushioned oasis. They are to be found everywhere on the globe.
A lot more food for thought is out there in the web.
Edit: "Flick" is not only a movie in slang.
"Flick" is the name of a German family dynasty extensively having profited from Nazi regime, having used slave labour and concentration camps' inmates.
There were tight bonds to Deutsche Bank and other finance institutes.
The body of Friedrich Karl Flick was stolen from the cementery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flick_family
"Flick" is a 2007 British horror movie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flick_%28film%29
"Flic" is a cop in French.
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Michael was an avid reader and liked History... i also have read a lot about the second World War and Hitler.. doesnt make me a Nazi sympathizer.. with knowledge there is power... MJ chose to educate himself. I dont see why TMZ are making this an issue.
Well-said, DancingTheDream! Yes, MJ is an avid reader and a lover of History. I think he had over 10,000 books in his personal library at Neverland. MJ is a great lover of knowledge and education. I am a lover of military history of all time periods. I have watched many films about World War I & II in my time. I am truly shocked that TMZ would hit below the belt like this :shock: . The Holocaust is no laughing matter at all to me. It is a very dark period in human history. I have met many Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. What precious souls these survivors are. I love the Jewish people and their culture. My Lord and My Saviour, Jesus Christ, is a Jew. Without the Jewish people, I would not have my salvation without the line of David that Jesus Christ came through. MJ loved and had many Jewish friends in his lifetime.
http://www.bookpatrol.net/2009/07/micha ... d-had.html (http://www.bookpatrol.net/2009/07/michael-jackson-extremely-well-read-had.html)
Thursday, July 02, 2009
Michael Jackson “Extremely Well-Read,” Had 10,000 Books
The King of Pop a dweeby book lovin’ geek?
Apparently so, and hooray. He was an avid reader who had an appropriately majestic library at Neverland that held 10,000 volumes on its shelves, according to two recent Los Angeles newspaper articles.
In the midst of a lengthy interview in the L.A. Weekly, Jackson attorney Bob Sanger revealed the following as his last of three golden attributes that defined the Gloved One.
“Michael was extremely well-read…I knew Michael, but I got to know him a lot better at the trial. The judge was doing jury selection, and it was time for break. Judge Melville said, 'Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to know that jury service is very, Tvery important.' He's trying to convince people not to have stupid excuses to get out of jury service. All judges do this. He says, 'The jury system is a very time-honored system. It's been around for 200 years. We're going to take a break and come back in 15 minutes.’
“We stand up and the judge leaves, and Michael turns to me and says, ‘Bob, the jury system is much older than 200 years, isn't it?’ I said, 'Well, yeah, it goes back to the Greeks.' He says, 'Oh yeah, Socrates had a jury trial, didn't he?' I said, 'Yeah, well, you know how it turned out for him.' Michael says, 'Yeah, he had to drink the hemlock.' That's just one little tidbit. We talked about psychology, Freud and Jung, Hawthorne, sociology, black history and sociology dealing with race issues. But he was very well read in the classics of psychology and history and literature.
“He loved to read. He had over 10,000 books at his house. And I know that because - and I hate to keep referring to the case, because I don't want the case - the case should not define him. But one of the things that we learned - the DA went through his entire library and found, for instance, a German art book from 1930-something. And it turned out that the guy who was the artist behind the book had been prosecuted by the Nazis. Nobody knew that, but then the cops get up there and say, 'We found this book with pictures of nude people in it.' But it was art, with a lot of text. It was art. And they found some other things, a briefcase that didn't belong to him that had some Playboys in it or something. But they went through the guy's entire house, 10,000 books. And it caused us to do the same thing, and look at it.”
“And there were places that he liked to sit, and you could see the books with his bookmarks in it, with notes and everything in it where he liked to sit and read. And I can tell you from talking to him that he had a very - especially for someone who was self-taught, as it were, and had his own reading list - he was very well-read. And I don't want to say that I'm well-read, but I've certainly read a lot, let's put it that way, and I enjoy philosophy and history and everything myself, and it was very nice to talk to him, because he was very intellectual, and he liked to talk about those things. But he didn't flaunt it, and it was very seldom that he would initiate the conversation like that, but if you got into a conversation like that with him, he was there.”
I’ll Be There
As reported in the L.A. Times. Doug Dutton, proprietor of the legendary and now, alas, defunct, Dutton's Books in Brentwood, was at a dinner with people from Book Soup, Skylight and other L.A. bookstores.
"Someone mentioned that Michael Jackson had been in their store," Dutton recalled. “Everybody said he'd shopped in their store too."
Doug first met Jackson in the early 1980s when the icon came in his shop wearing "very large sunglasses" and a suit of bodyguards. MJ was solitary and quiet. "There was no display of 'I'm Michael Jackson,'” he recalled. "I don't remember him actually saying anything." Jackson bought four-five books during visits.
Doug’s brother, Dave, remembers getting a call in the late '80s - early '90s from an MJ minion, who requested that the shop be closed early so Jackson could privately shop. "We did close early," Dave said. Then, "about a quarter to nine he showed up in a big van. Once you got over the initial caution because of those burly guys with him, he was very nice. He loved the poetry section," Dave’s son Dirk asserts that Ralph Waldo Emerson was Jackson's favorite author. "I think you would find a great deal of the transcendental, all-accepting philosophy in his lyrics."
I would have bet the farm that, considering his obsession, Michael Jackson would have been a compulsive collector of all things Peter Pan, the collecting completist’s completist, acquiring every single edition of the book, every scrap of paper associated with it, and everything from the story’s subsequent incarnations.
"He was a longtime and valued customer," a spokesperson for Hennessey + Ingalls, the renowned art and architecture bookstore in Santa Monica, said in the L.A. Times piece.
It turns out that Michael Jackson was a sort of Johnny Appleseed of reading, spreading books to all children. Former Los Angeles resident Cynde Moya remembers that "back when I worked at the Bookstar in Culver City, his people would have us keep the store open after hours, and he'd come in with a vanload of kids, who could buy whatever books they wanted."
As MJ’s life got stranger over time, so did his book buying habits. He would wear a surgical mask during his book shop visits, and in a video of him from New Year's Eve 2008, he’s at Hennessey + Ingalls browsing for books, a black umbrella, held by an assistant, shielding him from the unflattering glare of florescent lighting.
Or, maybe to prevent his love for books from being exposed.
This is a problem that will never threaten the unread, book-hating and proud singing star Kanye West. It is a fact that intellect and pop entertainment values do not mix well in American culture: A pop star could never mysteriously disappear for a few days, drive family, friends, and the nation crazy with anxiety, then resurface with the rambling confession that he was incognito in Buenos Aires visiting the sultry, irresistible National Library of Argentina, full of hot-blooded Latin-American tomes, because he needed a change of scenery.
Completely unbelievable. There must have been something else, something seamy, going on, perhaps with La Biblioteca Nacional de la Republica Argentina’s head of special collections, right? I mean, really, is nothing sacred?
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Not sure if these are the ones but it seems like it. take a look:
Oasis of the zombies http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 211161686# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7436986526211161686#)
Hitler's children :
Part 1 of 5 Seduction
[youtube:2barisnn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB45qymNQEo&feature=PlayList&p=AF6C67013EAA37AB&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1[/youtube:2barisnn]
Part 1 of 5 Education
[youtube:2barisnn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0u03gM505k[/youtube:2barisnn]
Part 1 of 5 Dedication
[youtube:2barisnn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srx30lxH9Rw[/youtube:2barisnn]
Part 1 of 5 Sacrifice
[youtube:2barisnn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1L_EnHLcpc[/youtube:2barisnn]
Part 1 of 5 war
[youtube:2barisnn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zi3_Uw5Bek[/youtube:2barisnn]
PS This TMZ article is total crap. There is nothing wrong or weird to watch these kinda films. A lot of people should so we know what happened in history and know not to repeat it. I too am "fascinated" with Hitler and war, as I am with any bad person or event or man made thing because i want to know what drives people to be like that, how they think, why, etc. That doesn't mean I sympathy with them. On the contrary.
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@MJonmind Agree with you.
The true History of our world is hidden on purpose and it goes back to the creation of the Universe...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_occultism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_occultism)
Also interesting and check out the list of movies.
I think Michael is a TruthSeeker.
( scratches underneath her tinfoil hat.. :mrgreen: )
(http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/TinFoilHatArea.jpg)
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Well there goes my opinion about it being too quiet on the tabloid front lol. I knew it should be just a matter of time before the twists and turns of tabloid stories got going full force. It's a bit scary, things getting back to normal.
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Ive done a search on Norman Scherer.. and it seems he is a real person who did indeed own a video store:
Since Norman Scherer does business largely by phone and mail-he'll buy, sell, or trade a hard-to-find videotape whether you're calling from Brooklyn or Bhutan-it doesn't matter that his store, Video Oyster, is eccentric. Located in lower Manhattan, the place resembles a media-friendly M.C. Escher landscape: Byzantine passageways snake through towers of videotapes and pop- culture detritus. The walls are covered with New Orleans carnival masks, there's a Scrubbing Bubbles night-light in the bathroom, and rarities like Attack of the Crab Monsters sell for $500. A former staffer at Variety, the Manhattan native, 36, got into the rare- vid biz in 1989, when a store offered him $100 for a copy of Eraserhead. Realizing he could make money off video companies' failure to keep their back catalogs in stock, Scherer started buying up tapes from stores cleaning off their shelves. He now publishes three different collectors' newsletters-Pearls lists 7,000 rare tapes, Half Shell offers clearance bargains, and Raw Oysters compiles out-of-print adult videos. And despite his store's decidedly casual aura, business is great. He recently bought nine copies of 1972's Bluebeard- the one with a Joey Heatherton nude scene-for $100, and unloaded two for $75 each. He just sold a copy of the 1961 Nazi drama Operation Eichman to friends of star Werner Klemperer; it seems Colonel Klink's birthday is coming up. Fads come and go: Disney's recent remake of The Incredible Journey prompted a deluge of calls for the 1964 original. In fact, that company's fare is one of Scherer's staples. ''Disney fans want everything, even the garbage,'' he says. As Scherer speaks, the phone rings; it's answered by his girlfriend, Stella MacNicol, 36, a former pop star in South America. She listens, nods, and says to Scherer, ''I know we're out of Bambi, but what about The Little Mermaid?'' He pauses, then fires back, ''Little Mermaid, uh, $120.'' Ka-ching. Those seeking video arcana are advised to call first (Scherer's number is 212-480-2440) since his store is open to the public only on Wednesdays. That's when the nearby Wall Street businessmen come in and load up on porno. ''The rarest tapes in the country,'' he sighs, ''and they want T&A.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html)
http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/ (http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/)
I I went on your second link which to me to a page which was playing Barry White, My First My Last, My everything! (Loved that song back in the 1970's) I searched on Barry White and Michael Jackson, and seems the Michael was Barry Whites God son? see http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed ... arry-white (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/jackson-bids-farewell-to-barry-white)
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Ive done a search on Norman Scherer.. and it seems he is a real person who did indeed own a video store:
Since Norman Scherer does business largely by phone and mail-he'll buy, sell, or trade a hard-to-find videotape whether you're calling from Brooklyn or Bhutan-it doesn't matter that his store, Video Oyster, is eccentric. Located in lower Manhattan, the place resembles a media-friendly M.C. Escher landscape: Byzantine passageways snake through towers of videotapes and pop- culture detritus. The walls are covered with New Orleans carnival masks, there's a Scrubbing Bubbles night-light in the bathroom, and rarities like Attack of the Crab Monsters sell for $500. A former staffer at Variety, the Manhattan native, 36, got into the rare- vid biz in 1989, when a store offered him $100 for a copy of Eraserhead. Realizing he could make money off video companies' failure to keep their back catalogs in stock, Scherer started buying up tapes from stores cleaning off their shelves. He now publishes three different collectors' newsletters-Pearls lists 7,000 rare tapes, Half Shell offers clearance bargains, and Raw Oysters compiles out-of-print adult videos. And despite his store's decidedly casual aura, business is great. He recently bought nine copies of 1972's Bluebeard- the one with a Joey Heatherton nude scene-for $100, and unloaded two for $75 each. He just sold a copy of the 1961 Nazi drama Operation Eichman to friends of star Werner Klemperer; it seems Colonel Klink's birthday is coming up. Fads come and go: Disney's recent remake of The Incredible Journey prompted a deluge of calls for the 1964 original. In fact, that company's fare is one of Scherer's staples. ''Disney fans want everything, even the garbage,'' he says. As Scherer speaks, the phone rings; it's answered by his girlfriend, Stella MacNicol, 36, a former pop star in South America. She listens, nods, and says to Scherer, ''I know we're out of Bambi, but what about The Little Mermaid?'' He pauses, then fires back, ''Little Mermaid, uh, $120.'' Ka-ching. Those seeking video arcana are advised to call first (Scherer's number is 212-480-2440) since his store is open to the public only on Wednesdays. That's when the nearby Wall Street businessmen come in and load up on porno. ''The rarest tapes in the country,'' he sighs, ''and they want T&A.''
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,306761,00.html)
http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/ (http://www.lastnightadjsavedmylife.com/)
I I went on your second link which to me to a page which was playing Barry White, My First My Last, My everything! (Loved that song back in the 1970's) I searched on Barry White and Michael Jackson, and seems the Michael was Barry Whites God son? see http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed ... arry-white (http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/story/jackson-bids-farewell-to-barry-white)
Nice songs on the second link btw..its worth to listen to it
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Michael Jackson -- Nazi Flick Fan?
7/25/2010 8:10 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's ideal double feature -- an Adolf Hitler documentary with a Judy Garland chaser ... that's according to a video distributor who claims to have provided Jackson plenty of both.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/07/25/0725-michael-jackson-hitler-getty-credit.jpg)
Norman Scherer tells the NY Post that MJ had a penchant for collecting Nazi documentaries. Scherer, who owns a videotape distribution company, says Jackson had a "really good collection" -- which included, "Nazis -- Of Pure Blood," "Oasis of the Zombies" and "Hitler's Children."
Scherer also claims Jackson enjoyed Judy Garland's TV specials and dramas depicting troubled boys in dysfunctional families.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/25/michael-j ... y-garland/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/25/michael-jackson-adolf-hitler-nazi-videos-movies-judy-garland/)He wasn't a naxi fan , he was collecting video's to study the way they marched , which he used in his they don't really care about us , video.
Nazi fan....?, just another rumor.
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If i Hear Flick i think about this guy
(http://www.performingartistes.co.uk/assets/photos/richard_gibson.jpg)
[youtube:b8ej3egp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duX4tIFocvY&feature=related[/youtube:b8ej3egp]