Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mac5k on July 23, 2010, 09:17:58 AM
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I don't know if it has been already discussed but here the link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
And the status has been updated on the 30th of June 2010 ...
Something is cooking or someone is playing with us ... ;)
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Quite strange...
Thanks for posting!
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
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Is is a spoof site? I saw the word comic.
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Is is a spoof site? I saw the word comic.
No, it's not a spoof site. It's the official imdb site. Every title can be found there ever produced. This update is magnificent. For months, the director was left blank...although we knew it was being directed by Michael and that is why the film crew has been following Conrad. It was only a matter of time until the director's name was filled in. :mrgreen:
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Could someone tell me what the initials 'imdb' stand for?
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It's on MJ's page as well...in post production :shock:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director)
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Hey check this out also....never heard of this before!
Scroll down to the cast! :shock:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/)
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Curls, it stands for "The Internet Movie Database"
This is what the database said a while ago....so it has been updated xoxox
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[on being asked what he thought his funeral would be like in 2002] It's going to be the greatest show on Earth. That's what I want. Fireworks and everything.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio)
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Yes, I remember reading that too.....
Piece by piece....and MJ will be revealed........Remember the Geraldo interview??
FILM...taking it to a higher plane.
Are we all part of a human experiment ? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm xoxo
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THis is Wild! I hope someone's not just playing with us.
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I know about the hoax since December, and although I tried to catch up, I didn't hear too much about the PT Barnum theory. Just snippets.
Do I understand it well - you mean that this hoax was planned by Michael as the greatest show on earth...?
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http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/)
I just find the information on this page really odd lists like he is still here!
:D
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Curls, it stands for "The Internet Movie Database"
This is what the database said a while ago....so it has been updated xoxox
Thanks 2good2btrue! This all looks too good to be true!!! Oh, I hope it is - it's what I've felt all along.
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It's on MJ's page as well...in post production :shock:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director)
Ah, director is left blank on the page for "Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary"
but it's right there on Michael Jackson's IMDB page saying he's the director. :o 8-)
Hey check this out also....never heard of this before!
Scroll down to the cast!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/)
This is the bio:
The Jackson 5... Million is a feature documentary directed by Caroline Ledgin, a director who has been dubbed the "MJ fan expert" by multiple media outlets. Have you ever wondered what makes Michael Jackson's fans so devoted? Ever think about how much their passion fuels their actions, and wonder why they support the most famous pop star on the planet? And for that matter, have you ever wondered how MJ himself became such a global phenomenon? All those questions will be answered in this film which gets deeply involved with fans on the most intimate levels. This film was shot mostly at the trial in Santa Maria in 2005 (with additional footage shot in other areas of the U.S. and Europe). Though the trial itself isn't a direct part of the film, the fans' support during the accusations against MJ was the true inspiration behind the film. When Michael Jackson passed away in 2009 literally 2 weeks after the rough cut was finished, additional scenes needed to be shot to accommodate the tragic, untimely death - and, of course, the film's dynamic immediately changed. The film again wrapped production in 2009 and explores the MJ-fan world that so many don't understand. The film exposes the most die-hard, most loyal and devoted fans, and gets into their hearts and minds so the rest of the world can gain a deep understanding of those who have supported Jackson throughout his life. Written by Caroline Ledgin
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Ah, director is left blank on the page for "Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary"
but it's right there on Michael Jackson's IMDB page saying he's the director. :o 8-)
You're right, MJ wasn't listed as director on the December 09 page that 2good2btrue posted. But he is on the updated one, June 30th, that mac5k started this thread with!
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Ah, director is left blank on the page for "Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary"
but it's right there on Michael Jackson's IMDB page saying he's the director. :o 8-)
You're right, MJ wasn't listed as director on the December 09 page that 2good2btrue posted. But he is on the updated one, June 30th, that mac5k started this thread with!
oh, i thought the picture by 2good2btrue put on here was the updated one! i see it now though, thanks :D the greatest show on earth continues :)
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when you click under Michael Jackson's name it says his date of birth and the date of death. So is this really true? Is this site 100% truthful?
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I wonder why UK was listed as country.
It's rearly intersting and i am so exited whats going on ! :D
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Wow... Thank you for posting this, mac5k!
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This is brilliant, piece by piece we are getting the BAM...
Big Brother was originally done as a social experiment and I honestly thing this is taking BB to the next level!!
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Wow!!!This is a big one find!
Thanks ;)
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Never ever forget to make screenshots of things like this ;)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/imdb_murray.jpg)
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
According to Harvey Levin, IMDB needs to check their sources before changes can be made. He said that in a livestream once ;)
Please tell me how it's possible to have something 'in production', and update the info with a director that's supposed to be dead for over a year?
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whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhat! just when you think things are calming down, we make a sharp turn on this roller coaster.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
According to Harvey Levin, IMDB needs to check their sources before changes can be made. He said that in a livestream once ;)
Please tell me how it's possible to have something 'in production', and update the info with a director that's supposed to be dead for over a year?
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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maybe we should ask them about this? we can do this I think via updates on their page or twitter
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Oh my! This is BIG!! I am certain it's not possible for just anyone to go and update info on IMDB (like you can on Wikipedia). :o :shock:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
According to Harvey Levin, IMDB needs to check their sources before changes can be made. He said that in a livestream once ;)
Please tell me how it's possible to have something 'in production', and update the info with a director that's supposed to be dead for over a year?
In MJ's profile it's listed as "post-production". They are editing it now.
But it's still weird that he's the director, in or post production
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
According to Harvey Levin, IMDB needs to check their sources before changes can be made. He said that in a livestream once ;)
Please tell me how it's possible to have something 'in production', and update the info with a director that's supposed to be dead for over a year?
In MJ's profile it's listed as "post-production". They are editing it now.
But it's still weird that he's the director, in or post production
Yeah, like he knew Murray would kill him and be investigated. I say HOAX! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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This is just CRAZY....."HI MICHAEL" lol ...I just know you are watching all of this!!! You are something else...this is big guys....Crazy stuff going on here....I am sooo proud to be in the know!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :mrgreen:
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Definatily a HOAX :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Filming Locations:
Houston, Texas, USA
In 1980, two years after first visiting Houston and getting a chance to introduce himself to his father, Conrad Murray returned to Texas to enroll at Texas Southern University, where in just three years he graduated magna cum laude with a degree in pre-medicine and biological sciences. From there, Murray followed in his father's footsteps and attended the primarily African-American Meharry Medical College in Nashville, Tennessee.
(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6678/asdadg.png) (http://img201.imageshack.us/i/asdadg.png/)
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LOL!! MJ u're such a joker!
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
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this blows my mind. This is fantastic. Thanks for sharing - its not a clue anymore. It's a proof like the confirmation of the faked ambulance photo.
WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW *aaaaaaaaaaaw*
heeeeheee :mrgreen:
*sorry - just a bit... going crazy* :lol:
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It was rearly more than a clue !!! :lol:
He is so busy but at the IMDB Page , when you click on his name.......he is still dead.....isn't he ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
I wonder when that would be deleted ! :shock:
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
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This information can also be FALSE. I registered for an account. See the information below on FAQ on where they get their information.
How/where you get your information? How accurate/reliable is it?
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http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?infosource (http://www.imdb.com/help/show_leaf?infosource)
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Filming locations: Texas. :shock:
Why Texas ? The Conrad Murray Case and all the court it's in Los Angeles no ? So why make a documentary on Murray if it's not to talk about his court...
This still an amazing thread, thanks !
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This information can also be FALSE. I registered for an account. See the information below on FAQ on where they get their information.
How/where you get your information? How accurate/reliable is it?
The information in the Internet Movie Database comes from various sources. While we actively gather information from and verify items with studios and filmmakers, the bulk of our information is submitted by people in the industry and visitors like you. About 70% of our staff is dedicated to processing the massive amounts of information we receive and add to the database every week.
But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
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so it could be someone playing a horrible prank but it is very interesting and will be watching, i always thought he was directing but to see it in black and white is shocking in a good way.
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So, we have to wait the launch date of this documentary and watch it.
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So, we have to wait the launch date of this documentary and watch it.
thats true that is all we can do
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Thats a great find. It just made my day :D
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
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The info has to be added by IMbd staff, or the site was hacked and it was added.
I do remember Murray being follwed by a camera crew. This is why he went to FL for he camera crew to get film of him mourning MJ. So there is a real doc in post production. And why is it in post production before the trial even starts? Would'nt they wait until the trial ends for a big ending.
Now take a moment to think about it, he is the man who is going on trail for killing the greatest entertainer ever, and he decides to sign a contract for a documentary? Either i'm crazy for thinking that's crazy, or something else is going on.
Why would anyone offer him a contact? He's a doctor who is famous for killing a superstar.
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The info has to be added by IMbd staff, or the site was hacked and it was added.
I do remember Murray being follwed by a camera crew. This is why he went to FL for he camera crew to get film of him mourning MJ. So there is a real doc in post production. And why is it in post production before the trial even starts? Would'nt they wait until the trial ends for a big ending.
Now take a moment to think about it, he is the man who is going on trail for killing the greatest entertainer ever, and he decides to sign a contract for a documentary? Either i'm crazy for thinking that's crazy, or something else is going on.
Why would anyone offer him a contact? He's a doctor who is famous for killing a superstar.
Like I posted before, there is something that does not add up. Very strange.
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I do remember Murray being follwed by a camera crew.
He was filmed on his first day back on his job... TMZ for example wrote about it:
Dr. Conrad Murray -- Lights, Camera, TV Show
12/23/2009 9:30 AM PST by TMZ Staff
Dr. Conrad Murray -- Lights, Camera, TV Show
Only in Hollywood, could a doctor who's being investigated in the death of Michael Jackson score a gig to star in a international TV special.
TMZ has learned Dr. Conrad Murray struck a deal with a British documentary crew to shoot footage of the Doc during his first day back on the job in Houston on November 23, 2009. We're told the footage was shot for an upcoming one-episode TV special.
A spokesman for Dr. Murray tells us the production company was "interested in the reaction of patients to his return." We're told the crew followed Murray around for the entire day, as he rolled by his office and his church.
The spokesman tells us Dr. Murray hasn't received a dime for his work -- yet ... but he will get paid an unspecified amount once the special airs.
One problem -- Dr. Murray is refusing to allow the company to air the project until the Michael Jackson investigation is complete. The spokesman tells us the wait could last "a couple of years."
And just to be safe, Murray's camp claims they're holding all of the footage.
The spokesman adds, "Dr. Murray is currently working 12 hour days ... to pay off his [child support] debt."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/23/dr-conrad ... l-british/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/23/dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-death-propofol-reality-show-documentary-tv-special-british/)
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so the murray camp will hold on to the material till after the conclusion of the court case, well they cant give the ending away too soon, it cant be shown before or during the court case, this whole thing is so very strange i just dont undestand this at all .
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
we are all here and feeling the same way you are. I made a joke so you can laugh so you will not be upset. It will end, when I have no clue, I wish I did. Hope you can feel better.
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
we are all here and feeling the same way you are. I made a joke so you can laugh so you will not be upset. It will end, when I have no clue, I wish I did. Hope you can feel better.
Thank you, all4loveandbelieve! Your joke really made me laugh - something which I rarely do when I think of Michael since last June. So thanks again!
About clues... Honestly, I believe 100% that Michael was DD on LKL, so I'm sure he is alive, and need no other clue for it. I just check the "hoax news" because I would like to understand what is going on.
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Sorry, but I see no relevance in the name of MJ as a director, may have been just a mistake that was not corrected for lack of attention, even if there is a documentary in production about this subject. There is also no details or a synopsis of the film, for example. From what I've noticed that he's seen dead in any articles or references to MJ on this website.
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Sorry, but I see no relevance in the name of MJ as a director, may have been just a mistake that was not corrected for lack of attention, even if there is a documentary in production about this subject. There is also no details or a synopsis of the film, for example. From what I've noticed that he's seen dead in any articles or references to MJ on this website.
I'm not sure I understand your post. You see no connection? This documentary entered the IMDB in December 2009 as being in production and the director was not listed/left blank for months. The plot is clearly stated on the page. It is a documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation in the wake of Michael Jackson's death. Not only is Michael Jackson now listed as the director (which we knew all along and discussed extensively on this site) but this documentary now appears on Michael Jackson's official IMDB page under his works as "director."
You can see that information here at this link..http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director)
So, it is definitely OUR Michael Jackson that is listed as the director for this documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation regarding Michael's "death." Anyway, I hope that helps you see the "connection and relevance."
The writing is on the wall! And as a friend of mine said, "the paint is drying!" LOL!
We love you, Mike! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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"this documentary now appears on Michael Jackson's official IMDB page under his works as "director."
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wow. that is really deep. incredible. :shock: :o
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial. :mrgreen:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-u ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Q983-uTGQ&feature=related)
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Is this part of the movie Michael is directing?
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I've often wondered if all those people in the church and pastor were actors. Maybe from that same "fan club" that some thought were in some of the Murray court scenes.
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This information can also be FALSE. I registered for an account. See the information below on FAQ on where they get their information.
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Since you have an account, maybe you (or some other registered user) would be willing to "submit a correction" or ask for verification of the documentary page? If they verify and leave it intact, that would be saying something, IMHO.
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial. :mrgreen:
Add to this the strange death of Peter Lopez .. :? :?: :?
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If you click on Conrad Murrey, you will see this page:
Overview
Date of Birth:19 February 1953, St. Andrew, Grenada See more » STARmeter: Up 17% in popularity this week. See why on IMDbPro.NewsDesk:Jackson 'trusted Murray with his life'
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http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interv ... ivera.html (http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interviews/geraldorivera.html)
At Large With Geraldo Rivera Interview 5-2-2005
On Fox News, Geraldo Rivera conducted an intimate and revealing interview with Michael Jackson. Here we see a glimpse of the real man, the father, the warrior and the tender heart behind the media's often very inaccurate portrayal.
Read the full interview here...
AT LARGE WITH GERALDO RIVERA
Geraldo Rivera: How you doing, man?
Michael Jackson: How you doing?
GR: Good to see you.
GR: You get to smile anymore?
MJ: Of course, I smile a lot.
GR: You smile when you’re in a recording studio like this one, doing music?…
MJ: Of course, I love music.
GR: Is it nice to get back to the music? …
MJ: It’s fantastic. Because ahhh… It’s my life. That’s what I do.
GR: You’ve been so distracted, you know, you want to talk about how you’re feeling?
MJ: I’m doing fine Geraldo, how are you?
GR: Despite whatever else goes on in the world, you’re doing ok?
MJ: I’m doing very well, thank you.
GR: You know, it was wonderful, seeing you with the children. That I think, is the real Michael Jackson that has not been seen… you with your own children, one in diapers the other two toddlers… I don’t know how you manage without a nanny.
MJ: Well, I enjoy taking care of my children myself it’s... it’s fun that’s why I had them so I could take care of them and it’s just great relief for me you know it’s a pleasure it keeps me happy and laughing and you know, they’re wonderful sweet innocent children.
GR: I saw you as kind of the arbitrator between the Nickelodeon and the Disney channel there. You got some really difficult problems to solve there. But you have such a- a kind of a normal life there. It’s sweet to see.
MJ: Thank you. They bring me that.
GR: Tell me, tell me what the children mean to you, your own children.
MJ: They mean, it’s hard to put it into words because they mean everything. The way you would explain how your children make you feel... They’re the world for me, I wake up and I’m ready for the day because of them. I get them breakfast, I change diapers, if they want to read, we do a lot of reading, we play hide and seek, we play blind fold and have a wonderful time with it.
GR: And you can create a world that at least begins to seem normal? They don’t know any other world obviously.
MJ: I do my best for sure.
GR: So, that is obviously a priority to you
MJ: Yes of course. I want to be the best father in the world of course.
GR: Do they know who you are? Or what you mean to people?
MJ: Yes, they do. They’ve been on tours with me and in limousines among a sea of fans.
GR: Do they like it?
MJ: They find it exciting. They want to get on stage. They bug me to go on stage with me. So, pretty sure I ‘m going to take them on with me and let the world see them for the first time.
GR: They don’t say, ‘Daddy I want to go home and watch Nickelodeon?’
MJ: (Laughs) Probably, probably.
GR: They do that too.
MJ: Yes.
GR: So how do you feel being here again, being in a recording studio again, focussing on the music again? Is it a relief, in a sense?
MJ: It’s a great relief. It makes me feel like I’m totally at home. I’m into my own. Which is what I’m here for. Any of the arts… like that could be film, you know, music, any type of art, I love it.
GR: So, when you’re being the quote on quote, King of Pop, that’s when you’re the most comfortable? Or is it the creative process?
MJ: The creative process, yes. I’m obsessed with creating…
GR: I saw you and Randy, the way you guys react - it’s very reminiscent of the way my brothers and I are together. Who’s top dog?
MJ: Randy.
GR: That’s not what I saw
GR: But, uh, you trust your family.
MJ: Of course, you have to.
GR: Is it a ‘blood thicker than water’ thing? What is it?
MJ: Family is everything. It’s love. It’s what we were taught. We’re friends at the end of the day, which is important. Other than what the public or press people say, we’re friends. We love each other very much.
GR: So, is the family closely knit, despite all the tabloid stuff?
MJ: That’s sensationalism.
GR: How do you deal with that?
MJ: How do I deal with sensationalism?
GR: Yeah. How do you deal with everything in your life being magnified, exaggerated, almost to a grotesque level.
MJ: It’s like looking at a fictitious movie. Because its fiction. It’s like watching science fiction. It’s not true. And I know myself and it’s sad when people have to read those things and they believe it.
GR: Do you feel like holding a press conference every week and saying, this is the rumor du jour, it’s not true
MJ: I know eventually, the truth will prevail and I’m about truth.
GR: I’ve researched it and I can’t find anyone who has been more frivolously sued than you for the most outrageous reasons. One of your attorneys told me that a woman called Billie Jean Jackson called and said, ‘Stop accepting any paychecks, Mr. Attorney, I’m the wife - Billie Jean…’ obviously from your hit song, I mean, how do you… First of all, how does it affect you?
MJ: Does it affect me? Yes, but I’ve become immune in a way too, I have rhinoceros skin but at the same time I’m human. So, anything can hurt like that, but I’m very strong. And, I just don’t like people hearing about such false information.
GR: For instance, did you father quadruplets last year?
MJ: That was a crazy rumor.
GR: Then they became twins. I don’t know what happened to the other two, maybe they were abducted by aliens.
MJ: I heard about that story and I don’t have any twins. They said I’m hiding them or something? Another made up rumor.
GR: So it’s completely false.
MJ: The bigger the star, the bigger the target. I’m not trying to say I’m the super-duper star, I’m not saying that. I’m saying the fact that people come at celebrities, we’re targets. But truth always prevails. I believe in that. I believe in God, you know?
GR: Does that faith sustain you?
MJ: Of course, it does.
GR: How about friendship?
MJ: What about friendship?
GR: Do you rely on friends? Have people stayed with you through thick and thin? Who are your best friends?
MJ: My children, my family, my brothers and my sisters and yeah, most people have. Most people have.
GR: Do you want to mention the names of the true blue?
MJ: The faithful, you wouldn’t know them so, it’s uh…
GR: Elizabeth Taylor?
MJ: Oh, she’s very loyal, I see Elizabeth Taylor all the time. She’s my dear friend, I was just at her house. We have wonderful talks on the phone at night, several times a week sometimes…
GR: So how long have you two been friends?
MJ: I’ve known Elizabeth closely since I was 16…
GR: And you’ve been making music since you’re five
MJ: Yes
GR: So you’re in your fifth decade of making music. That’s forty-one years of making music.
MJ: Yes.
GR: You ever get sick of it?
MJ: No, no, not at all I never get enough of it (music).
GR: Really.
GR: Do you ever get sick of Randy?
(Laughing)
GR: He’s here, ladies and gentlemen.
MJ: Never, never, never He’s (Randy) wonderful. He’s been amazing, supportive, and amazingly brilliant.
GR: So, they’re all different. Your whole family is crazy, exocentric… like my family.
MJ: Every brother, sister is completely different, like any family, you have all the different elements… that’s what makes it a family.
GR: When you have such intense scrutiny, how do you live any kind of a normal life? How do you have any kind of fun outside of your own property?
MJ: I don’t. I go off property sometimes, but not all the time. I create my world behind the gates you know because I can’t go to the local movie theater down the street or the local park down the street or go pickup ice cream at the market, at the corner store. So, you want to create that world behind the gates and that’s what I try and do. And it’s not just for me if I could share with my family, friends, or whoever I do.
GR: And that necessity for some privacy, drives all these crazy rumors and speculations. A difficult balancing act that you have to endure.
GR: But you’re not complaining are you? I don’t. I try to rub it off. I don’t know what I’m the king of… the king of getting shot at maybe. Ha ha ha ha.
MJ: “The king of journalism.”
GR: So, what is it about children in distress? You mentioned the Tsunami relief effort. What is it? Is it your own fatherhood that motivates that?
MJ: Caring. And reading the Bible, learning about God, Jesus, Love. He said, ‘bring on the children’, ‘imitate the children’, ‘be like the children’ and ‘take care of others.’ Take care of old people. And we were raised with those values. Those are very important values and my family and I we were raised with those values and they continue strong in us today.
GR: What about movies for yourself again? You had The Wiz and some of the others but we haven’t seen you on the big screen in a while.
MJ: I’ll be directing myself. I love directing. I love creativity and I think when an artist steps forward with a production of some type, if he can express himself the way he sees it should be done. I feel it and I see it. I’m a visionary. If I can give that, I do and that’s what I love to do with music and dance and the arts.
GR: And do you think art has a role in real life? Specifically referring to this record and Tsunami relief?
MJ: I saw it the day after Christmas and as the numbers kept escalating, it just became phenomenal and not even I could believe that it was true. I was amazed. I said, I thought I should do something. That’s what God gave us talent for. To give and to help people and to give back. So, my brothers and I decided to put a song together…
GR: What did you pick up the phone and say, “hey bros?” What did you say?
MJ: We just say, hey, we want to do something in the studio for the Tsunami victims. Let’s get together and organize it. And they just said great.
GR: However, you’re back, I think that people will appreciate the fact that you’re back. Wouldn’t you kind of exalt in a world where you could concentrate on your art and your kids?
MJ: I would love it. I mean that’s what drives me. The medium. The art. That’s the world I’m most comfortable in.”
GR: In Gary, Indiana, did you ever expect where your world would be as a 46 year old man?
MJ: I never thought about it. I knew I wanted to do something wonderful all of my life and to help people and I never clearly really thought about it when I was really little. I just sang and danced and didn’t understand whey people were applauding and clapping and screaming. You really don’t. You don’t know why…
GR: When you grow up like that on stage, when do you get it? When do you understand where you fit in to society?
MJ: It takes longer when you get older. You get a more rounded personality and your brain starts to grow. You start reasoning and understanding more things, researching.
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GR: Isn’t it nice to have a conversation on television where people can just hear you being ordinary, normal, reasonable.
MJ: I’m like this all the time. I’m just being myself.
GR: At a certain point, Michael Jackson and the brothers Jackson kind of separated artistically, is this a moment in your life where you’re coming back together? Obviously you’ll continue your solo career, but what’s the big plan, what’s the big picture at this stage in your life? What has been left unachieved? What would you like to do?
MJ: There are a lot of surprises. Film. I love film. It’s innovating, taking the medium to a new place. I used the music video medium as a short film medium to take me to the next level. I’m having a lot of fun.
GR: Do you ever look back and contemplate, oh my goodness, Thriller is the biggest selling musical performance ever, do you ever get your arms around that?
MJ: I try not to think about it too hard because I don’t want my subconscious mind to think I’ve done it all, you’re done now. That’s why I don’t put awards or trophies in my house. You won’t find a gold record anywhere in my house. Because it makes you feel you’ve accomplished. Look what I’ve done. But I always want to feel, no I haven’t done it yet.
GR: ‘The King of Pop’ and now I look at some of these performers- there’s a new one - there’s 50 cent and another one- I forget his name, but they’re well-known because they survived violent attacks where they almost died and they’re into hip hop kind of - it’s a different era in popular music- do you think you’ll be more like them- more urban kind of- or will the world come back to more pop and traditional rock?
MJ: Great music & great melodies are immortal. Culture changes, fashion change, customs, great music is immortal. We still listen to Mozart today, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov, any of them, any of the greats. Great music is like a great piece of sculpture, a great painting. It’s forever. That’s a fact.
GR: On the other hand, I interviewed Barbara Streisand at one pivotal point in her career, she was going to do duets with the BeeGees and other popular artists- she kind of changed the tempo to surprise people.
MJ: I’ve done a lot of it already… I don’t really rap, but I could… I’ve written songs with rap versus in them for very famous rappers, but they’re much better at it than I am.
GR: Don’t you appreciate, despite your isolated life and despite the fact you’ve been a star so long, you still have what appears to be a very passionate and profound relationship with the community. Does that support you? Does that sustain you? Do you agree with me?
MJ: Yes, I do agree, because it’s important to love your neighbors…
GR: But were does it come from… where does that almost instinctive love of you come from?
MJ: I truly think it comes from my mother and God (instinctive love) The way we were raised. The values my father instilled in us in youth. She was always with the Bible teaching us - we’d go to service all the time. Four times a week and I’m so glad we did that because those are values that are very important. I don’t know if I could have done as well without them.
GR: Do you still spend time with mom and dad? They’re not far from here right now? And what is that relationship all about? I’m so close to my mom, obviously.
MJ: It’s wonderful. At this stage, you tend to appreciate more who your parents are more and what they’ve done for you. You start to retrack where you are in your life and all the wonderful things they’ve instilled in you. You start to see them come forth. I’m starting to see a lot of things. Traits that my father influenced me on and my mother.
GR: My friend Cheech, who you know, whose partner Tommy Chong helped discover you guys, ‘Bobby Taylor and The Vancouvers’, he says that as he gets older, he looks at his father’s face in the mirror. Do you feel that? Are you becoming like your dad?
MJ: I’m very much like my father in a lot of ways. He’s very strong. He’s a warrior. He’s always taught us to be courageous and to be confident and to believe in our ideals. And no matter what, no star is too far to reach and you never give up. And our mother taught us that as well.
GR: So you’re a warrior also?
MJ: Absolutely.
GR: That’s the way you see yourself?
GR: Tell us more about the way you see yourself?
MJ: I try to be kind and generous and to give to people and to do what I think God wants me to do. Sometimes I pray and say “where do you want me to go next, God? What do you want me to do from here?” I’ve always been very spiritual in that way. It’s nothing new.
GR: Did you ever see the movie “Finding Neverland” or read about J. M. Barrie, the man who wrote “Peter Pan.”
MJ: I know a lot about Mr. Barrie and I’ve been a fan for many, many, many years.
GR: You know, he had a rocky road, similar to you, I don’t want to get too far into it. Tell us what led to the creation of Neverland. I mean, specifically the place – There are 2 Neverlands, there’s 3. There’s Peter Pan’s Neverland, there’s the Neverland in Michael Jackson’s mind and then there’s the physical place you created up there where I visited you when you brought up all the inner-city children. Why did you create that place?
MJ: I created Neverland as a home for myself and my children and it was created simply, it was almost like it was done subconsciously, like I said earlier, where can I go? I mean, it’s hard. I’ve tried to go out as myself and I’ve had policemen tell me, “put on a disguise! And give me an autograph for my wife!” They tell me, “why are you out here with no security?” I can’t do it. I do it sometimes, but it’s very difficult.
GR: But you owned Neverland before you had the kids, was it for you? The exotic animals, were they for Michael Jackson?
MJ: For me and sharing with others. It gave me a chance to do what I couldn’t do when I was little. We couldn’t go to movie theaters. We couldn’t go to Disneyland. We couldn’t do all those fun things. We were on tour. We were working hard. And we did enjoy it. But this allowed me to have a place behind the gates where the entire world I love is there.
GR: You create, like Barrie, this imaginative world, do you ever outgrow something like that Michael? Do you ever think this is silly to have the llamas and the choo-choo trains and the rides?
MJ: It’s calling God silly if you do that, because God made all things great and small. Other men have their Ferraris and their airplanes or helicopters or wherever they find their bliss. My bliss is in giving and sharing and having simple innocent fun.
GR: Your homes. For all the grandeur of Neverland. Your home is quite modest. And your personal style. I don’t see any bling for instance. How come you don’t have the big diamond thing that says Michael?
MJ: I’m modest in that way. If I had it on, I would probably give it away to the first kid to say, ‘wow, I like your necklace.’ When I was growing up, stars like Sammy Davis, Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly… if I admired something they were wearing, If I simply said, ‘I love that shirt you’re wearing,’ they would give it to me. It’s a show business trait. Hand it over.
GR: Despite the glare of the media attention and even the day that I was there and you invited the inner-city kids there, what’s it like to have the kids there? Why do you do that? I wanted to ask you that question that day but I pose it to you know.
MJ: I’ve traveled the world over 8 times. I do as many hospitals and orphanages as I do concerts. But, of course, it’s not covered (by the press). That’s not why I do it, for coverage. I do it because it’s from my heart. And there are so many children in the city who haven’t seen the mountains, who haven’t been on a carousel, who haven’t pet a horse or a llama, never seen them, so if I can open my gates and see that bliss, an explosion of screaming laughter from the children and they run on the rides, I say “Thank you, God.” I feel I’ve won God’s smile of approval, because I’m doing something that brings joy and happiness to other people.
GR: So, you’re close to your siblings? How does it affect you when they get involved - like Janet’s superbowl flap? Just tell me how you responded as a brother and a viewer?
MJ: Oh, I can’t speak for my sister. With love. Actually, I was looking right at it and I didn’t see it. I was at a friend of mine’s house, Ron Burkle and in a movie theater, it was huge on the screen and I didn’t even see it. I heard all this controversy the next day and I said, “That’s not true.” I didn’t even see it.
GR: Do you think the controversy was overblown? Do you think it’s a Jackson related phenomena or is it a testament to our times socially in this country?
MJ: That’s an interesting hypothesis too. It’s both. It’s hard to answer. I’d rather not answer that one.
GR: Did you call her and say ‘don’t sweat the small stuff?’
MJ: Something like that. ‘Be strong. This too shall pass.’ ‘Don’t worry about it.’ I’ve seen worse things. I said, “Janet, you’re too young to remember but, I once watched the Oscars with David Niven on it and a naked man came running out, streaking. Now, he didn’t get there on his own. That was organized and nobody - they didn’t say much about that.” I’ll just say that much. That was live, around the world. The next day it was a joke.
GR: I think there is a Jackson component. I think the thing was exaggerated. I think the Jackson thing was part of the reason.
MJ: Thank you.
GR: So as you go forward in this record, what are we going to expect? Are we going to hear this on the radio and then people are going to send in their money and it’s going to go to these kids in the Indian Ocean region?
MJ: I would like that very much.
GR: Now tell me, how that act of largesse, that compassion, will make you feel? Sometimes, I think, I feel better giving than receiving in my life, explain the mechanics of that in your own life.
MJ: It’s just the idea. I don’t know if its the psychology of it or what. I just love working hard on something. Putting it together. Sweating over it and then sharing it with people and then having them love it and I always pray that they like it. That’s what gives me great satisfaction as an artist.
GR: Does it frustrate you professionally or personally when people say that this Jackson project flopped or that happened. Your ‘Number Ones’ compilation for instance, 7 and a half million copies sold. Now I think that’s quadruple platinum or whatever it is you label it. And yet the characterization by some in the music business at least is that you’re not- you know, that it wasn’t a hit.
MJ: I don’t know which project you’re talking about… because of negative news. Sensationalism seems to sell more than wonderful, positive news. People would rather hear gossip. My last 8 albums have all entered the charts at number 1, so people like to sensationalize things and make up stories and rumors and sometimes…
GR: Does it hurt your feelings? Do you want to scream out and say, “Hey wait a minute, check the numbers!”
MJ: It’s a commonality in mankind that I don’t like. That part of it, but then there’s a beautiful side to mankind too, isn’t there?
GR: But not to Eminem. We’ve spoken about it. I think that you should. Why not?
MJ: And what’s your question?
GR: Stevie Wonder said that he was piling on and how really rude it was for someone who made his money from the community to ‘diss the community in a sense in a racist and, I’ve said it, very bold faced, bigoted presentation. Tell us how that hurt you and how you’re feeling about it now.
MJ: I’ve never met Mr. Eminem, and I’ve always admired him and to have him do something like that was pretty painful as an artist to another artist and it’s sad because I think what Stevie Wonder said is true, I just don’t want to say too much more than that. He (Eminem) should be ashamed of himself what he’s doing. Stevie said he’s bulls***. He used the word. That’s what he said. I’m not saying it, Stevie said it. Stevie’s amazing. He’s one of the sweetest men in the world.
GR: Stevie did and he is bulls***. So, when Stevie said that, did you feel a tremendous sense of reassurance, of brotherly love, there?
MJ: I love Stevie Wonder. To me, he’s a musical prophet. I’ll always love him. A lot of people respect Stevie and he’s a very strong entity in this medium, in this business and when he speaks, people listen and it was wrong of Eminem to do what he did. I’ve been an artist most of my life and I’ve never attacked a fellow artist. great artists don’t do that. You don’t have to do that.
GR: I mentioned Janet’s fiasco and the exaggerated response to it. Once again do you think he only did it because he knew he could get away with it because you’re Michael Jackson?
MJ: Yeah, but it doesn’t hurt. It’s silly. It’s kind of elementary. I hope he’s having fun…
GR: Like a poo-poo joke. It still hurts your feelings and you don’t want your kids to see it.
MJ: Oh god, I would hate it if they saw it. I would hate that”
GR: Finally, we’ve studiously avoided the case and not talked at all about the case that’s pending. You’re under this gag order. I know that you have received permission from the judge to read a statement. I hate to end an interview that way, but if you’d like to read that statement now, I think it’s important.
MJ: IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, A LARGE AMOUNT OF UGLY, MALICIOUS INFORMATION HAS BEEN RELEASED INTO THE MEDIA ABOUT ME. APPARENTLY, THIS INFORMATION WAS LEAKED THROUGH TRANSCRIPTS IN A GRAND JURY PROCEEDING WHERE NEITHER MY LAWYERS NOR I EVER APPEARED. THE INFORMATION IS DISGUSTING AND FALSE.
YEARS AGO, I ALLOWED A FAMILY TO VISIT AND SPEND TIME AT NEVERLAND. NEVERLAND IS MY HOME. I ALLOWED THIS FAMILY INTO MY HOME BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME THEIR SON WAS ILL WITH CANCER AND NEEDED MY HELP.
THROUGH THE YEARS, I HAVE HELPED THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN WHO WERE ILL OR IN DISTRESS.
THESE EVENTS HAVE CAUSED A NIGHTMARE FOR MY FAMILY, MY CHILDREN AND ME. I NEVER INTEND TO PLACE MYSELF IN SO VULNERABLE A POSITION AGAIN.
I LOVE MY COMMUNITY AND I HAVE GREAT FAITH IN OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM. PLEASE KEEP AN OPEN MIND AND LET ME HAVE MY DAY IN COURT. I DESERVE A FAIR TRIAL LIKE EVERY OTHER AMERICAN CITIZEN. I WILL BE ACQUITTED AND VINDICATED WHEN THE TRUTH IS TOLD.
GR: Michael is there anything else you would like to say?
MJ: Yes. I would just like for the public to keep my family and myself in their prayers. That would be very nice. Thank you, Geraldo.
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http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interviews/geraldorivera.html
At Large With Geraldo Rivera Interview 5-2-2005
On Fox News, Geraldo Rivera conducted an intimate and revealing interview with Michael Jackson. Here we see a glimpse of the real man, the father, the warrior and the tender heart behind the media's often very inaccurate portrayal.
Read the full interview here...
AT LARGE WITH GERALDO RIVERA
This was really a nice interview that Geraldo did with MJ. Geraldo was very respectful to him and he didn't ask the same stupid questions that other journalist always asked him. MJ had a chance to express himself honestly in this interview. It's funny how Geraldo teases him about Randy. MJ also says in this interview that his family and kids are his best friends. No mention of anyone else not even Liz Taylor until Geraldo ask about her. It's good to look back at these type of interviews because it prove that at the end of the day MJ family came first. He said it with his own mouth. Even Latoya said this at the memorial. MJ even points out that he has a lot of his father's qualities. He speaks highly of both parents here. Funny too how MJ says the Truth will prevail just like Conrad Murray said on the Youtube video.
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This may be one of the greatest clues that we have ever had, Mike u're a pure genius, love u :D
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The Geraldo interview is one of my favourites. As well as the part that darkchild highlighted, please note this section as well:
GR: At a certain point, Michael Jackson and the brothers Jackson kind of separated artistically, is this a moment in your life where you’re coming back together? Obviously you’ll continue your solo career, but what’s the big plan, what’s the big picture at this stage in your life? What has been left unachieved? What would you like to do?
MJ: There are a lot of surprises. Film. I love film. It’s innovating, taking the medium to a new place. I used the music video medium as a short film medium to take me to the next level. I’m having a lot of fun.
GR: Do you ever look back and contemplate, oh my goodness, Thriller is the biggest selling musical performance ever, do you ever get your arms around that?
MJ: I try not to think about it too hard because I don’t want my subconscious mind to think I’ve done it all, you’re done now. That’s why I don’t put awards or trophies in my house. You won’t find a gold record anywhere in my house. Because it makes you feel you’ve accomplished. Look what I’ve done. But I always want to feel, no I haven’t done it yet.
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The Geraldo interview is one of my favourites. As well as the part that darkchild highlighted, please note this section as well:
GR: At a certain point, Michael Jackson and the brothers Jackson kind of separated artistically, is this a moment in your life where you’re coming back together? Obviously you’ll continue your solo career, but what’s the big plan, what’s the big picture at this stage in your life? What has been left unachieved? What would you like to do?
MJ: There are a lot of surprises. Film. I love film. It’s innovating, taking the medium to a new place. I used the music video medium as a short film medium to take me to the next level. I’m having a lot of fun.
GR: Do you ever look back and contemplate, oh my goodness, Thriller is the biggest selling musical performance ever, do you ever get your arms around that?
MJ: I try not to think about it too hard because I don’t want my subconscious mind to think I’ve done it all, you’re done now. That’s why I don’t put awards or trophies in my house. You won’t find a gold record anywhere in my house. Because it makes you feel you’ve accomplished. Look what I’ve done. But I always want to feel, no I haven’t done it yet.
i may lose my sanity, but we're definitely seeing film being innovated into something completely unexpected. you know the craze with "reality tv shows?" well it's like this is one huge reality tv show/movie, except the world is involved. insane isn't it?
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It seems obvious to me, very similar to "to kill a mocking bird" and also what happened to MJ himself.
Black man accused of something he didn't do, treated like he is guilty until proved innocent, even then people still hate him because of how the media portray him ... sound familiar? Looks like MJ is proving a point to the world about the media and public perception.
If MJ did not come back and Murray was found innocent - people would still call him a murderer.
It seems that the video about how all will be revealed over the next few months is going to happen, slowly MJ is revealing himself, we are building up to the big return!
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It seems obvious to me, very similar to "to kill a mocking bird" and also what happened to MJ himself.
Black man accused of something he didn't do, treated like he is guilty until proved innocent, even then people still hate him because of how the media portray him ... sound familiar? Looks like MJ is proving a point to the world about the media and public perception.
If MJ did not come back and Murray was found innocent - people would still call him a murderer.
It seems that the video about how all will be revealed over the next few months is going to happen, slowly MJ is revealing himself, we are building up to the big return!
:arrow: I agree perfectly.
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The information in the Internet Movie Database comes from various sources. While we actively gather information from and verify items with studios and filmmakers, the bulk of our information is submitted by people in the industry and visitors like you. About 70% of our staff is dedicated to processing the massive amounts of information we receive and add to the database every week.
But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
Actually I don't believe that is true. I believe people in the industry with a paid account can add stuff. BUT has anyone here entertained the thought that one of the staff members might believe in the hoax and just did this?
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I wonder if the fans that believe he is dead will accept what he has done, if it is true? I will forgive him because I know he is alive, like all of us here. I know they will feel cheated, and upset. Especially for those who go regularly to the cemetary. I hope they find it in their hearts to forgive him. It seems not possible for him to fake his death to do a movie about his death and about Conrad Murray. There is something that is not that right, and I cannot put my finger on it.
Well, I believed for half a year that he died and it made me very sad. When I saw the LKL interview with Michael as "Dave Dave", I became very upset. Of course I got extremely happy realizing that he is alive, but I wanted to punch him in the face at the same time. I still want to, to be honest... I didn't have to forgive him, as I didn't get that mad at him. But I still feel cheated. Because he is lying. And I cannot understand WHY... I don't believe he is doing this hoax because he or anyone was in a real danger. And as I cannot find any other acceptable reason for faking his death, I wish he had never done that. I'm really worried that when he comes back people won't understand him. I hope there is another acceptable reason (beside the threat theory)for this hoax that we haven't thought of yet, and then Michael can live happily after this nightmare ends.
exactly my point. Be careful not to punch him on the face.. He does have a very cute face especially his nose :lol: You have to admit he is gorgeous. we only need to fatnen him up just a tad..
I wouldn't be able to punch him on the face if I had the chance :) And yes, he is gorgeous...
But this hoax makes me so sad. I cannot be happy with you guys, when we find something new info - like this one on IMDB. I just read the information with a sad and worried face - and hope this hoax ends as soon as possible and will end good.
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial. :mrgreen:
Add to this the strange death of Peter Lopez .. :? :?: :?
I also feel that Michael has never wanted to hurt us, basically anyone in the world. I see in his eyes that he has a big heart. I rather think that this hoax was not his idea but someone's who he trusted. Maybe he thought all the fans would realize that he is alive and so everything would be allright. Maybe he got into a trap like with Martin Bashir... IDK.
Why I don't think his or anyone's life was in big danger is because he appeared on LKL as DD. If his enemies saw him alive (and if he has enemies they surely know about it) they would at least kidnap someone from Michael's family as a revenge. I don't think that any dangerous people would leave Michael to play with them / out-think them.
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when you click under Michael Jackson's name it says his date of birth and the date of death. So is this really true? Is this site 100% truthful?
I don't think so. But Wait and See... ;)
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But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
Actually I don't believe that is true. I believe people in the industry with a paid account can add stuff. BUT has anyone here entertained the thought that one of the staff members might believe in the hoax and just did this?
Hi reading_on! I think that if the staff has to add the info, then it's clear that someone from the staff is involved in the hoax or is simply playing with us... But which one???
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How/where you get your information? How accurate/reliable is it?
The information in the Internet Movie Database comes from various sources. While we actively gather information from and verify items with studios and filmmakers, the bulk of our information is submitted by people in the industry and visitors like you. About 70% of our staff is dedicated to processing the massive amounts of information we receive and add to the database every week.
But only the staff of IMDB can add information to the database. So it's not important (in our case) who gave the info. If someone from the staff gets the info that the directior is Michael Jackson, he/she must know that Michael is officially dead - so cannot be the director. Unless it's someone else with the same name, but that would be too strange...
Actually I don't believe that is true. I believe people in the industry with a paid account can add stuff. BUT has anyone here entertained the thought that one of the staff members might believe in the hoax and just did this?
Hi reading_on! I think that if the staff has to add the info, then it's clear that someone from the staff is involved in the hoax or is simply playing with us... But which one???
Playing with us is the best hypothesis.
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Does it mean another scammer? Or someone who wants us to know the Mj is alive and well??
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soldier ofLOVE wrote:
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial.
I like the way you think and express yourself....very well put!!
I too believe that Michael hoaxed this death because HE FELT HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE....this was not a cavalier decision, by any means...and the relationship that Michael had with his fans was unprecedentedly close....a complete "Mutual Admiration Society", as they say...I believe he would NEVER want to put us through the pain and heartache of his death without absolute good cause....I think we need to make a Leap of Faith here....Trust that Michael knows what he is doing....there is NOTHING that he has done or will do during this Hoax that should surprise you....we are talking about Michael Jackson here....the most MAGICAL person to ever walk the planet! That being said, there is a part of me though that thinks that he should just stay hidden....to enjoy his privacy and his children....at age 50, he had already been working for nearly 40 years and living a life that would have taken down a lesser man....this was a man whose life held a grand purpose....he knew it, we knew it and if we patiently support him, I think we will learn the truth of what is going on. But again, great post, soldierofLOVE....you're a great writer!
Peace!
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I understand what you mean, but one thing does not exclude the other if you know what I mean. I also absolutely believe that there's more to it than just making a movie. Maybe yes, Michael was in danger, but what if he included all of this in his movie? Especially if it's a documentary! Imagine that the people or organizations that had bad intensions with him, are all included in the movie (without their knowledge of course). That all threats, accusations and slander as evidence is being processed in a movie? Would that not be the most brilliant thing we have ever seen!?
soldier ofLOVE wrote:
I feel strongly that Michael would never do somethng like this without an extremely important reason. He may be embellishing his main point of the hoax with "fireworks"
and fanfare but I don't think Michael would toy with his fans. We know how much he loves his fans. We know that he must hurt to think that he's upsetting his fans and that we've been distraught. He would not have done this if he didn't have to.
When I read about the details of his TII tour contract and other aspects of the music industry's despicable and criminal treatment of Michael, including the possible reprehensible behavior of many lawyers, I have to think that the primary reason for the hoax was very serious and MJ's life was in danger but he out-thought them all and will expose some incredible truths that will free many who are victims of unscrupulous practices. If Michael does come back we will all understand that this fake death was out of necessity. Some fans may remain incredulous no matter what, but I'm inclined to believe that most will understand and hail him a hero.
Otherwise, if I'm being too grandiose, then Michael does not plan to ever return in the flesh for the world to see, he's enjoying his freedom in private, which he deserves, and is simply letting those of us who believe that he is alive and well know that he is making movies just like he said he would. His true fans and devotees will understand it either way.
I'm still hoping that he's kicking butt and taking names! Time to expose these devils that will all come out through Conrad Murray's trial.
I like the way you think and express yourself....very well put!!
I too believe that Michael hoaxed this death because HE FELT HE HAD NO OTHER CHOICE....this was not a cavalier decision, by any means...and the relationship that Michael had with his fans was unprecedentedly close....a complete "Mutual Admiration Society", as they say...I believe he would NEVER want to put us through the pain and heartache of his death without absolute good cause....I think we need to make a Leap of Faith here....Trust that Michael knows what he is doing....there is NOTHING that he has done or will do during this Hoax that should surprise you....we are talking about Michael Jackson here....the most MAGICAL person to ever walk the planet! That being said, there is a part of me though that thinks that he should just stay hidden....to enjoy his privacy and his children....at age 50, he had already been working for nearly 40 years and living a life that would have taken down a lesser man....this was a man whose life held a grand purpose....he knew it, we knew it and if we patiently support him, I think we will learn the truth of what is going on. But again, great post, soldierofLOVE....you're a great writer!
Peace!
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I have the feeling that the hoax at this point takes a decisive turn. I can not express in words what exactly it might mean ... but I think we are clearly just before an event or a revelation to us the hoax can be understood in its (serious) intentions.
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Some thoughtful, interesting posts here - thanks everyone.
Remember that while some people use grandiose speeches or writing to say important things, MJ is an artistic performer and creator - it's what he does, and it's the medium he uses to convey his thoughts, feelings and messages. So, yes I think this is about much more than JUST a movie. He's used music and dance, in the main, up to now to tell us what he wanted us to know. But film was undoubtedly the direction his art was taking him, so to me it makes perfect sense that his message for the world now would be conveyed within movies. While I accept that he may have been in danger, I don't think his 'death' was in any way a hastily put together affair to deal with this danger. The message and the movie have, in my opinion, been a long time in planning.
Of course, I'm aware that I may be totally wrong on this, but it's what my heart has been telling me for a long time. It just makes simple sense to me, in what is often confusing and overwhelming in this hoax! And it seems like totally MJ's style!
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My heart tells me Michael is much trixier than people care to believe. He's not evil but he sometimes lets his child like side do the thinking and that spells out movie.....greatest show on earth... like there is no tomorrow and yes his life could have been in danger, very possible but it's also possible that he did this for the pure amusement of it all. I don't think any of us ever know what side of Michael we are going to get from one minute to the next and that is the beauty of him.
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all4loveandbelieve, I also think the other fans, those who believe that Michael died and have been visiting an empty grave. :geek:
And do not even think Michael hit in the nose, :lol: ... he has very big reasons to do all this ;)
Today I have a big smile on my face :lol: :lol:
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all4loveandbelieve, I also think the other fans, those who believe that Michael died and have been visiting an empty grave. :geek:
And do not even think Michael hit in the nose, :lol: ... he has very big reasons to do all this ;)
Today I have a big smile on my face :lol: :lol:
Paula, I did not say to punch Michael in the nose, I replied it to the other person, not to punch his gorgeous face and watch the nose..
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All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, :oops: I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding :D
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I am becoming very insensed with Conrad Murray always alluding to "when the truth is told". :roll: He apparently wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him in the face based on all the lies and different scenarios he has given the authorities and labeled them as "the truth". How is anything he says going to be credible. for heavens sake he's told lie after lie like the little boy who cried wolf so much that when the wolf actually showed up, no one was listening to him. It's very disparaging :?
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All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, :oops: I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding :D
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
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all4loveandbelieve Love and blessings ;)
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All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, :oops: I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding :D
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
It was me, I want to punch him in the face ;) But I will definitely won't hurt his nose, I promise! :lol:
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
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All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, :oops: I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding :D
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
It was me, I want to punch him in the face ;) But I will definitely won't hurt his nose, I promise! :lol:
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
You are very welcome I am glad I made you laugh, we need it time to time. When ever you are feeling low just IM me and I will be more than happy to make you laugh.. God bless you..
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My heart tells me Michael is much trixier than people care to believe. He's not evil but he sometimes lets his child like side do the thinking and that spells out movie.....greatest show on earth... like there is no tomorrow and yes his life could have been in danger, very possible but it's also possible that he did this for the pure amusement of it all. I don't think any of us ever know what side of Michael we are going to get from one minute to the next and that is the beauty of him.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that MJ is much more trixier than people give him credit for. His smile at the end of his short film, Remember the Time, when he is trying to escape from the beefy, Egyptian guards says it all for me. His smile has a Puckish quality to me. I think that MJ is alot smarter than people ever have give him credit for. I think that he is a brillant genius capable all things great and small.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009 ... ackso.html (http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/exbodyguard_for_michael_jackso.html)
New Orleans Metro Real Time News
Ex-bodyguard for Michael Jackson recalls a mischievous man and a loving family
Published: Tuesday, July 07, 2009, 9:29 PM Updated: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:47 PM
Lolis E Elie
As thousands of people gathered for a memorial service at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Tuesday to mourn the King of Pop, Andre Menzies was at work in New Orleans, reminiscing about his days as one of Michael Jackson's bodyguards and remembering the superstar as a prankster, a perfectionist and a consummate performer.
"Just being with Michael was one of the best things I've ever done, " said Menzies, 55.
"When he would go sing 'Human Nature' or 'I'll Be There, ' it would be incredible, " Menzies recalled. "The whole entire stadium would be waving their arms."
Menzies, chief of security at Dillard University and a reserve officer with the New Orleans Police Department, started working with the Jackson family in 1984 for its "Victory" tour. Much of his memorabilia from those days was destroyed in the flooding after Hurricane Katrina.
"If it wasn't for Katrina, I would have had all kinds of stuff, " Menzies said. "I stayed friends with them (the Jackson family) until now. I still can't believe Michael's dead."
Menzies is one of a small coterie of New Orleanians with connections to the Jackson family. Marlon Jackson is married to Carol Parker, a New Orleanian. Wayne and Skip Nagin, cousins of New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, worked security for various members of the Jackson clan.
"I'm really just very distraught, " Skip Nagin said. "We all know Michael was a great entertainer, but I'd rather not speak on it right now."
It seems that Jermaine Jackson is the central figure in the Jackson connection to New Orleans. He hired Menzies and helped bring Jonathan "Sugarfoot" Moffett, a New Orleans drummer, to his brothers' attention. Moffett has become a fixture in the bands of all the Jackson brothers as well as those of pop stars Madonna and Elton John.
Jermaine Jackson also helped New Orleans twins Lolita Minor and Tarita Walker land roles in the 1992 television biography "The Jacksons: An American Dream."
Though Menzies was hired specifically to work as a bodyguard for Jermaine Jackson, roles on the "Victory" tour were fluid. Often Menzies would be reassigned to accompany Michael Jackson to a news conference or other events.
Jackson the prankster
While on that tour, he said he saw the Jackson family as warm and friendly, an image that is at odds with tabloid coverage.
Michael Jackson would often enlist his younger brother, Randy, as well as Menzies in one of his favorite pranks. Late at night, the trio would gather the room service trays left by guests in the hotel's hallway. Then they would target one of the other brothers and stack all the trays in front of his door.
"In the morning, when they had to run out, they would run into all those dishes, " Menzies said.
In later years, Jackson was dogged by allegations of child molestation, and the Jackson family has been accused of being dysfunctional.
From his limited vantage point, Menzies said he saw no evidence of either.
"The man was not a child molester, not a freak. He was just a genius that we will never find in an artist again in life, " Menzies said.
"Those guys didn't drink. They didn't smoke, they didn't use drugs. They were the best people in the world to work for. They made us feel like a million dollars, " Menzies said.
Pork and sweet potatoes
The Jacksons have another New Orleans tie: They ate at Dooky Chase restaurant on Orleans Avenue in the 1970s.
"At that time, they loved pork chops and they loved sweet potato pies, " chef Leah Chase said. "But as they grew older, they didn't eat pork chops anymore.
"I remember so well when they got to be about 14 or 15, they wanted wine. They wanted Fratelli Lambrusco, " she said, laughing.
Menzies, who said Snickers candy bars were another Jackson staple, recalled other light-hearted details. At one point on the "Victory" tour, Menzies said, Jermaine Jackson was supposed to place Michael's fedora on a microphone stand as his younger brother did his trademark moonwalk dance across the stage.
But one night, Michael Jackson finished his dance only to find Menzies' New York Yankees baseball cap on the stand where his own hat should have been.
"You should have seen Michael's face when he turned around and saw that hat, " Menzies recalled, laughing.
The dance that Michael Jackson made look so easy was a product of hard work as well as talent, Menzies said.
"He used to practice every night after the show, " Menzies said. "Everywhere we went, he would have to have a hardwood floor in his room so he could practice."
Another time, Menzies remembered, "we were in New York doing a show and Marlon took off his jacket and Michael threw it in the audience.
"That night, Jermaine said 'Michael, I love you. I love you to death. But if you take my jacket and throw it into the audience, I'm going to throw you right behind it.' "
Though the six-month "Victory" tour was the last time Menzies worked directly with Michael Jackson, he continued to work with Jermaine Jackson off and on for years.
"The last time I talked to Michael, it had to be years ago, " he said. "But I was keeping in touch with Jermaine. I kept up with them, where they were."
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Lolis Eric Elie can be reached at http://susanetok.wordpress.com/2009/10/ ... l-jackson/ (http://susanetok.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/vivat-rex-michael-jackson/)
Vivat Rex – Michael Jackson!!
I was at the premiere in London’s Leicester square on Tuesday. My verdict? The movie shows that if the concerts had happened, they would have been truly amazing – the King of Pop was a genius. Michael had added a dynamic and funky dimension to his performances. Fantastic dancers and musicians, breath-taking choreography- would have been a real treat.
My favourite parts? When Michael was encouraging the guitar player to give it her all. He was telling her “this is your time to shine.” That sums Michael up, the loving caring man that I knew!! My other favourite part was when Michael was sucking on his lollipop whilst discussing work stuff with Kenny Ortega. Again, that was Michael through and through. Full of contradictions – child-like and yet completely on the ball – a genius. The funny thing is that he never even knew how remarkably talented he was, he just felt as if he was the vessel that all the great songs and dances were channelled through from God. A very humble man.
Could Michael have completed the 50 concert stint? No, I don’t think so. To me, as someone who knew Michael for quite some time, he did not look well in most of the footage. Reports of him looking amazing are greatly exaggerated in my opinion. He definitely did not look himself and he was far too thin for my liking.
Did the movie give much insight into Michael’s character? It is very difficult for me to say if the movie gives much insight (to the fans) into Michael’s character – he had so many dimensions. I personally don’t think it did. He was in work mode during the footage and I got the impression that his team (performers and backstage crew) were very much in awe and star-struck.
My experience of him is as an eternal prankster, always light-hearted and cracking jokes. I did not see enough of that. But again as I said, he was in work mode.
Was this a representation of the King at work? Again, no, I don’t think so. In my mind, Sony/AEG have skilfully put together footage of Michal’s rehearsals although I don’t think the movie tells much of a story. I would have liked to have seen more about how they started at the drawing board – the creative process.
I knew Michael Jackson, the man, the father and my dear friend. I did not know Michael the artist – the King of Pop – and how he made his ideas, dreams and vision come into fruition. I would have liked to have seen a video diary of how he felt, what he planned to do next, how he felt things were going with respect to the rehearsals etc. I suppose this would have revealed more of what Sony/AEG purposely chose to leave out – the circumstances surrounding his death.
What was Sony/AEG’s rational for releasing the footage? To be honest, I wasn’t sure at first. Infact, I’m still not entirely sure and my opinion on this changes day to day. Let’s discuss this! I guess it depends on what school of though you subscribe to. Those that believe that Michael was a victim of premeditated murder or exploited into carrying out concerts that he was never able to complete, may see this as a propaganda tool to show that Michael was in good form. This is a possibility. Others could see this as Sony/AEG jumping on the bandwagon and cashing in on Michael’s death. Again plausible. And lastly, it may have been as Kenny Ortega claims it to be – a chance for the fans to see what the London concerts would have been like with out having to hear about the dark side of his life and death. Again sounds reasonable. In reality the rational is probably a combination of all of the above – but to what degree, I don’t know – only time will tell.
Would I have seen it if I had to do it all again? Yes and No. Yes – because I would have kept on hearing about it and curiosity would have forced me into seeing it. No- because I found the movie deeply upsetting to watch and feel that it made me feel worse about Michael’s death. I was not emotionally ready to see the movie. Michael’s death is still very raw and I feel as if I have regressed in the mourning process as a result of watching it.
Don’t let my opinion stop you guys from watching it. I was a friend of Michael’s and as with our close friends, we can tell how they are feeling by their mannerisms and the way they carry themselves. We can read between the lines and pick up things that acquaintances can’t.
I spotted two sections in the movie where I knew Michael was feeling good and confident about the shows. It is hard for me to describe where that was because of the way the movie was cut i.e. not in a chronological time frame. In my view, it was when he was wearing the suit (the outfit he wore on his last rehearsal) and then the orange trousers with a gold jacket.
The section when he did the ‘penguin type’ move while singing Human Nature was Michael at his lowest point (as per the footage). I can’t watch it – it makes me cringe. I had to hide my face. He was clearly very thin and weak and did not look well in himself. It was embarrassing and nobody in the background seemed to notice that something was clearly wrong. It is impossible to know definitively when this was i.e. whether it was at the beginning of his stint of rehearsals or nearer the end. My guess is that it was around April time.
Final verdict. I think that this movie is aimed at ‘general’ Michael Jackson fans who appreciated his music and performances, but weren’t too fussed about Michael as a person or his personal life. Die-hard fans may find the movie a little upsetting.
For all of you ‘This is NOT it’ followers, I agree with and support the overall sentiment of the cause. Michael’s death was by no means natural and was definitely avoidable. Someone was very negligent and deserves to be punished. However, please don’t judge others that do go to see it. Everyone has their own motives for doing so.
What will I miss most about Michael? Our phone conversations. Me sat on the floor in my dressing gown, up against the radiator with a cup of tea chatting to the King of Pop. What did we talk about? Everything and nothing! We had this a funny conversation once at like two o’ clock in the morning. We were talking about what super powers we would chose to have. We both decided that we would like to be invisible and would like to be able to fly. Michael also said that he would love to be able to get to anyway in the world within seconds by beaming himself to where ever he wanted to go. I told him if he ever figures it out, to beam himself over to the other side of the ‘Pond’ (to UK, where I live) and we could hang out. Sadly, I only got to see him a couple of times a year because of that damned Pond between UK and US.
He knew that I am frightened to death of snakes and he was always so sweet when he was taking me around Neverland and kept on assuring me that he wouldn’t let any snakes get me. Sweet as pie that man!! Another time, I was looking through some photos and went to open a box that I guess he didn’t want me to see and he “there is a snake in there!” I freaked out and he was in absolute hysterics!!
In March this year on my birthday, he sang ‘Pretty Young Thing’ down the telephone to me. I cried, sooo soo very sweet!!
I’m also going to miss him winding me up and all the pranks he used to play. Shaking my can of coke so that I got soaked when I opened it. Ha, I got him back!! Man, I’m going to miss his rather amusing cockney accent – “can I have some fish and chips?”; “Would you like to come for tea?”
It’s so crazy because it is only since his death that I realised that he was the King of Pop. That sounds daft but he really was ‘my mate Michael’ to me. It freaks me out sometimes that I actually knew the most famous man on the planet. We (his mates) were very lucky to have him in our lives, I wish I hadn’t taken it for granted that he’d always be around. I can’t remember a time before I knew Michael.
Vivat Rex!!!!
Susan xx
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Whatever this is, this better be real. :| :mrgreen:
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I think there a lot of people out there with the power and means to do things like this maliciously. Throwing investigators (of both kind) off track and/or making fun of them.
People take the internet for granted because it is readily available. Heck, look at the history of conspiracies. In the past conspiracies were isolated and took a long time to spread. Nowadays you can convince people to follow you with all these theories with hardly no effort. There are so many lies online.
Always, without fail, THINK for yourself. Analyze information with intelligent fact finding and you will be better off.
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To those doubting that this is real, please take note of what it says at the BOTTOM of the page:
"You may report errors and omissions on this page to the IMDb database managers. They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update. Clicking the 'Update' button will take you through a step-by-step process."
Yes, users can report errors and "add" information that was left out but in the end, IMDB has to approve it. I do believe in everyone working to find if something is true or not, but don't be so quick to attempt a debunk at everything that comes along when proof like this is in your face. If IMDB was hacked, they would have known what was done during the hack and fixed it and still, today, Michael is listed as the director of this film so they have not done anything about it. That says a lot to me. :)
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:?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/plotsummary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619884/plotsummary)
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Haven't got the time to read all your posts ...
DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS:
CAST
Michael Jackson ................ Himself :o :o
Conrad Murray .................. Himself (as Dr. Conrad Murray)
Can anyone explain?? :o
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
Sorry, I forgot the link ...
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
Sorry, I forgot the link ...
If you click see more, it tells you all his biography and the date of his death here is the link http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio)
Does anyone have a phone number where you can contact this IMBD and speak with someone and have them explain why they wrote Michael Jackson Director? And why they wrote his date of death. It does not make sense. I tried to join but it gave me an error message I am not permitted to join due to my area. I live in Canada maybe I need to be American to join. I have no clue. At least if we get to the bottom of this once and for all we will know the truth, and stop speculating, is really true, or not! I am a little skeptical, the reason why, is the date of his death. Now, if someone in the U.S can investigate this futher that would be nice. I tried and cannot do it. Love and Blessings.
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Sorry, but I see no relevance in the name of MJ as a director, may have been just a mistake that was not corrected for lack of attention, even if there is a documentary in production about this subject. There is also no details or a synopsis of the film, for example. From what I've noticed that he's seen dead in any articles or references to MJ on this website.
I'm not sure I understand your post. You see no connection? This documentary entered the IMDB in December 2009 as being in production and the director was not listed/left blank for months. The plot is clearly stated on the page. It is a documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation in the wake of Michael Jackson's death. Not only is Michael Jackson now listed as the director (which we knew all along and discussed extensively on this site) but this documentary now appears on Michael Jackson's official IMDB page under his works as "director."
You can see that information here at this link..http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/#director)
So, it is definitely OUR Michael Jackson that is listed as the director for this documentary about the doctor who was placed under investigation regarding Michael's "death." Anyway, I hope that helps you see the "connection and relevance."
The writing is on the wall! And as a friend of mine said, "the paint is drying!" LOL!
We love you, Mike! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Yes indeed! It certainly is ODD how since December 2009 that it was NOT listed this way. SO.....why now? Definitley something we need to keep an eye on! :? Because if somebody was gonna do this for shits and giggles then they could have Been done it right? :?
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OMFG!!! I just viewed that link where it list all of MJ's production work and yes I see under the Director category along with other various production works the Conrad Murray Documentary!!!! POST PRODUCTION>wow :shock:
YEP i would say we need to keep an eye out for sure.........
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OMG.. :shock: :shock: and Michael is the director :D :D :D :D :D ...
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Yeah and if somebody wanted to toy with us they could have been done it. I mean it was blank all of these months. Maybe we are almost to the end. :shock: With the trial coming up and all. Just more for MJ to film! IDK I am gonna go back to my happy corner anybody care to join me????? :?
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What the heck.. I always look to IMDB before I watch a movie or something. And I always trust IMDB for the information they give me! but this? MJ is the director, What the heck???
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I always keep an eye open when it comes to info like that...But as far as i know IMDB is a valid web site...
My first reaction was WTF? :o The second was 8-) 8-) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and the third was to see Geraldo's interview with MJ again: Look at MJ's reaction when he mentions his plans about making a film at 0:25-0:36... 8-) I love his reaction when he mentions it 8-)
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Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor under investigation for the murder of Michael Jackson, has struck a deal with a television production company that will air a TV documentary on the life since the death of the King of Pop.
Dr. Murray is suspected of administering an overdose of Propofol to the “Billie Jean” singer, leading to Jackson’s death in Los Angeles last June. A film crew followed the heavily-accented Islander and captured patient reactions as Murray adapted to his first day back at his Houston practice on Nov. 23. Don’t get too excited — Dr. Murray is reportedly refusing to allow the company to air the documentary until the Michael Jackson manslaughter investigation is complete, which could take “a couple of years” says one insider.
“It’s not a project,” Dr. Murray’s rep tells ET. “A British documentary crew from a production company asked to follow him around on his first day back. Dr. Murray liked the idea and agreed to do it as long as the footage wasn’t broadcast until after all the legal proceedings were complete. That could take years.”
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Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor under investigation for the murder of Michael Jackson, has struck a deal with a television production company that will air a TV documentary on the life since the death of the King of Pop.
Dr. Murray is suspected of administering an overdose of Propofol to the “Billie Jean” singer, leading to Jackson’s death in Los Angeles last June. A film crew followed the heavily-accented Islander and captured patient reactions as Murray adapted to his first day back at his Houston practice on Nov. 23. Don’t get too excited — Dr. Murray is reportedly refusing to allow the company to air the documentary until the Michael Jackson manslaughter investigation is complete, which could take “a couple of years” says one insider.
“It’s not a project,” Dr. Murray’s rep tells ET. “A British documentary crew from a production company asked to follow him around on his first day back. Dr. Murray liked the idea and agreed to do it as long as the footage wasn’t broadcast until after all the legal proceedings were complete. That could take years.”
This makes the whole thing even more suspicious to me. All we've heard from Murray's patients is that he's a wonderful doctor, not at all like he's being portrayed in the media. Well, if so, then wouldn't this documentary help his case? It mades absolutely no sense for him to insist that the footage not be aired until after the legal proceedings. And where's the benefit for the British production company who has to wait "years" to see any return on their investment? Personally, I think any footage shot has to do with the unnamed Conrad Murray documentary at IMDB - filmed in Houston, TX and being produced out of the UK. You know, the one Michael Jackson is directing. ;)
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Haven't got the time to read all your posts ...
DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS:
CAST
Michael Jackson ................ Himself :o :o
Conrad Murray .................. Himself (as Dr. Conrad Murray)
Can anyone explain?? :o
That's new within the last 24 hours. He was not listed in the cast on Friday, only the director.
Piece by piece by piece, and upon Michael's command.....we begin!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :D :D
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Screenshot I took today shows a start date of November 2010. When I clicked for detail, the next screen labels it as "Filming Dates," which doesn't make any sense if the film is in post-production. Significance?
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my everything
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Well, it doesn't hurt to verify ...There's an update button, which says:
"You may report errors and omissions on this page to the IMDb database managers. They will be examined and if approved will be included in a future update. Clicking the 'Update' button will take you through a step-by-step process."
So I submitted an update to remove MJ as the director based on the popular answer that he is deceased. I have a confirmation # and it says that my update has been submitted to the IMDb editors for review. If approved, it will normally appear on the site within the next few weeks.
Either: 1) They'll remove him as director; or 2) I'll see something under my confirmation # that they've closed out the submission but left the information on the site intact.
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All4loveandbelieve Sorry I might not express it, :oops: I know not you, anyway I'm just kidding :D
i know, I was trying to make her laugh because she was upset. Which it is understandable. I wish this will be resolved a.s.a.p. Love and blessings
It was me, I want to punch him in the face ;) But I will definitely won't hurt his nose, I promise! :lol:
You guys are so nice, finally I learn to laugh a little during reading the forums - thanks to you!
You are very welcome I am glad I made you laugh, we need it time to time. When ever you are feeling low just IM me and I will be more than happy to make you laugh.. God bless you..
Thank you very much all4loveandbelieve!
I love to laugh and joke around, I do a lot, but when I think of Michael since his "death", I become sad and serious. I cannot even enjoy his music as before. But who knows when this hoax will end, when we will know the truth.... and we really need some laugh time to time even during trying to find out what is going on around Michael.
It just cane to my mind now:
Ease on down
Ease on down the road
Ease on down
Ease on down the road
Ease on down
Ease on down the road
Come on Dorothy,
Don't you carry nothing that might be a load :!:
Come on
There it is!
Come on and ease on down, ease on down the road
Come on and ease on down, ease on down the road
Don't you carry nothing that might be a load
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
Don't you carry nothing that might be a load
Come on, ease on down, ease on down, down the road
Pick your left foot up
When your right foot's down
Come on legs keep movin'
Don't you lose no ground :!:
You just keep on keepin' :!:
On the road that you choose :!:
Don't you give up walkin' :!:
'Cause you gave up shoes, no
Ease on down, ease on down the road
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
Don't you carry nothing that might be a load
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
'Cause there maybe times
When you think you lost your mind :?
And the steps you're takin'
Leave you three, four steps behind
But the road you're walking
Might be long sometimes
You just keep on steppin' :!:
And you'll be just fine, yeah ;)
Ease on down, ease on down the road
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the road
Don't you carry nothing that might be a load
Come on, ease on down, ease on down the
Oh, there maybe times
When you wish you wasn't born :cry:
And you wake one morning
Just to find that your courage's gone :shock:
But just know that feeling
Only last a little while
You just stick with us
And we'll show you how to smile, yeah :D
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, get 'em up, ease on down the road
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, goin' down, ease on down
Get 'em up, get 'em up, ease on down the road
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There's more and more being added to the imdb page since we started talking about it, full synopsis, MJ as cast etc. I don't know what to make of it, so I'll just watch and wait. :?
I don't know how to do screenshots, but it might be useful if maybe someone could do one now with the extra stuff on.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
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when you hit the FAQ you get the following:
Why do people continue to believe everything out there?
Because they read it and the first reaction is if it's in print it's true.
edit: I think users of imdb message boards can add comments to FAQ section, so this might be added apparently by some hoax believer ;)
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Michael is The MASTER!!...What a genius! I love you my friend! "Heart" to "Heart" :D
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I couldn't see this posted, the full synopsis:-
The trial of Dr. Conrad Murray coming to a courthouse near you. The players will include the body guards. The Chef and the children. Kenny Ortega & Travis Payne. AEG which hired the Dr. The Dr.'s financial status at the time of landing his dream job. His disappearance after the death an his refusal to sign the death certificate. Also the reasoning behind his omission on what drugs were administered to Michael Jackson.
This film will not discuss the conspiracies that are rampant out there. Who is Conrad Murray? Why was he selected as the Dr.? There are no spoiler alerts. And the cast will continue to increase as the trial progresses.
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when you hit the FAQ you get the following:
Why do people continue to believe everything out there?
Because they read it and the first reaction is if it's in print it's true.
edit: I think users of imdb message boards can add comments to FAQ section, so this might be added apparently by some hoax believer ;)
Yes, those FAQs are added by users. From the site: "The content of this page was created directly by users and has not been screened or verified by IMDb staff"
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Haven't got the time to read all your posts ...
DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS:
CAST
Michael Jackson ................ Himself :o :o
Conrad Murray .................. Himself (as Dr. Conrad Murray)
Can anyone explain?? :o
The only thing I can think of is that mr. Conrad Murray ISN'T REALLY a doctor, he's playing himself, but as Dr. Conrad Murray. ;)
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Some time ago it was said that Conrad Murray was an actor :geek:
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Conrad Murray the actor as far as I know is a white man.
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If you have an account on imdb ( which is free to make!! ) you can change info on that page. There a button on the left saying update data. ANYONE can do it! Not just the person who created the page. I can do it if I want to. I have an account!
Should I?! :twisted:
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If you have an account on imdb ( which is free to make!! ) you can change info on that page. There a button on the left saying update data. ANYONE can do it! Not just the person who created the page. I can do it if I want to. I have an account!
Should I?! :twisted:
yes you should.. Let see what happens.
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I did and this is what I got:
Updating Information for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010)
Updates submitted. Thank you!
The reference number for your submission is 100726-123239-553000 and you can access it through your update history.
Your updates have been sent to the IMDb data editors for review. If they're approved, they will normally appear on the site within the next few weeks. For specific details about this and a more current estimate of processing times, check the processing times page. For questions on the submission process we recommend visiting the Contributors Help message board. There are also a number of helpful resources at our Contributors Zone.
for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) or go to the Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) IMDb page.
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Let's see what happens...
So of all this data is verified by IMDB managers before it can appear on te site, that means that when someone submitted that MJ is the director and in the cast...it was verified, validated and that's why it's on the site 8-)
We'll see what happens next...
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I did and this is what I got:
Updating Information for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010)
Updates submitted. Thank you!
The reference number for your submission is 100726-123239-553000 and you can access it through your update history.
Your updates have been sent to the IMDb data editors for review. If they're approved, they will normally appear on the site within the next few weeks. For specific details about this and a more current estimate of processing times, check the processing times page. For questions on the submission process we recommend visiting the Contributors Help message board. There are also a number of helpful resources at our Contributors Zone.
for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) or go to the Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) IMDb page.
Free Trial! IMDbPro.com features representation listings for over 80,000 individuals, including actors, writers, and directors, as well as contact details for 30,000 companies in the entertainment industry. Click here for a free trial!
Let's see what happens...
I did the same thing one day before you (my post above). Let's see how long it takes to get a response. :)
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I did and this is what I got:
Updating Information for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010)
Updates submitted. Thank you!
The reference number for your submission is 100726-123239-553000 and you can access it through your update history.
Your updates have been sent to the IMDb data editors for review. If they're approved, they will normally appear on the site within the next few weeks. For specific details about this and a more current estimate of processing times, check the processing times page. For questions on the submission process we recommend visiting the Contributors Help message board. There are also a number of helpful resources at our Contributors Zone.
for Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) or go to the Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary (2010) IMDb page.
Free Trial! IMDbPro.com features representation listings for over 80,000 individuals, including actors, writers, and directors, as well as contact details for 30,000 companies in the entertainment industry. Click here for a free trial!
Let's see what happens...
I did the same thing one day before you (my post above). Let's see how long it takes to get a response. :)
Oh, I didn;t see your post on that. Sorry :?
This should be interesting. Can't wait to see what the response is gonna be :D
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I don't know if it has been already discussed but here the link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
And the status has been updated on the 30th of June 2010 ...
Something is cooking or someone is playing with us ... ;)
:lol:
I don't know if somebody's playin with us.... I think not everybody can submit and entry on that page, I think?? So.....Hi Michael :)
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MJ is still down as "himself" under cast... wasn't MJ "dead" when this doc was started!!
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MJ is still down as "himself" under cast... wasn't MJ "dead" when this doc was started!!
It says:
Michael Jackson ... Himself (archive footage)
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MJ is still down as "himself" under cast... wasn't MJ "dead" when this doc was started!!
It says:
Michael Jackson ... Himself (archive footage)
Thanks Hazzely, I still think MJ's name under director was put there for a reason, no one could put it in by mistake.
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I still wonder why IMDB didn't replace Mike's name with the name of the 'real' director :lol:
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I still wonder why IMDB didn't replace Mike's name with the name of the 'real' director :lol:
''Up 1,398% in popularity this week''
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i don't see Michael's name in the directors spot
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Interesting. WOW!! :lol:
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Now i havent read all the comments so i dont no if anyone has addressed this. On the first page ijustcantstoplovingu has a link, on this page if you scroll down there is the also known as section please look and tell me who the hell john jay smith is and why its under MJs aka list??? :?
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Now i havent read all the comments so i dont no if anyone has addressed this. On the first page ijustcantstoplovingu has a link, on this page if you scroll down there is the also known as section please look and tell me who the hell john jay smith is and why its under MJs aka list??? :?
I looked it up on google and this is what I got!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_Raving_Dad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_Raving_Dad)
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I don't know if it has been already discussed but here the link:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
And the status has been updated on the 30th of June 2010 ...
Something is cooking or someone is playing with us ... ;)
:lol:
I don't know if somebody's playin with us.... I think not everybody can submit and entry on that page, I think?? So.....Hi Michael :)
heyyyyyyy mikeypooh!~<3~ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Now i havent read all the comments so i dont no if anyone has addressed this. On the first page ijustcantstoplovingu has a link, on this page if you scroll down there is the also known as section please look and tell me who the hell john jay smith is and why its under MJs aka list??? :?
I looked it up on google and this is what I got!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_Raving_Dad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stark_Raving_Dad)
"John Jay Smith" is the alias Michael used to guest on The Simpsons!
couldn't use his real name because of some contract issues or something
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MAYBE because people caught on, at the bottom of the page is a small forum to discuss the movie, and there's a top titled "MJ is the director + he faked his death."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167464436 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167464436)
and another titled "Director of this Murray Documentary"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167441686 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167441686)
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MAYBE because people caught on, at the bottom of the page is a small forum to discuss the movie, and there's a top titled "MJ is the director + he faked his death."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167464436 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167464436)
and another titled "Director of this Murray Documentary"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167441686 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167441686)
Ya I saw that too...but who knows what is "really" going on? Mikey, are you going to play some more games with us?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Keep us on our toes! :D
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Looks like the page has changed again. No Director listed anymore!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
MAYBE because people caught on, at the bottom of the page is a small forum to discuss the movie, and there's a top titled "MJ is the director + he faked his death."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167464436 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167464436)
and another titled "Director of this Murray Documentary"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/boa ... /167441686 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/board/nest/167441686)
exactly and they added on michaels name more than a month ago and now they want to delete it, they think we're stupid
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Ok I went back to the site, they removed Michael Jackson as the director. I think anyone can modify anything in that site.
» Plot:A documentary on the doctor who was placed under investigation in the wake of Michael Jackson's death. | Full synopsis » Plot Keywords:Investigation | Michael Jackson | Medical Doctor
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All I have to say on them removing Michael as the director after putting him up there almost a month ago is.... "ask and you shall receive".... people here that are contacting places like this is what's causing this stuff to happen. Just like the TMZ RIP list. :/ But that still doesn't prove to me that anyone can just edit the pages on this site. If they could, it would have been removed after the first person did an "update" on it. It had to be approved by the IMDB staff before it was done. So my question is this: Who sent in to them that Michael was the director of this film for them to put him up there in the first place? And why did they initially approve it when they "know he's dead"... ;)
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Damn! :(
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All I have to say on them removing Michael as the director after putting him up there almost a month ago is.... "ask and you shall receive".... people here that are contacting places like this is what's causing this stuff to happen. Just like the TMZ RIP list. :/ But that still doesn't prove to me that anyone can just edit the pages on this site. If they could, it would have been removed after the first person did an "update" on it. It had to be approved by the IMDB staff before it was done. So my question is this: Who sent in to them that Michael was the director of this film for them to put him up there in the first place? And why did they initially approve it when they "know he's dead"... ;)
I agree. I wouldn't have never contacted TMZ constantly asking them why MJ wasn't on the RIP List. I would have waited to see hwo long they were going to continue to play this game. There was no way a great entertainer would have been forgotten to be placed on the list for almost 6-7 months. That is foolishness. But like you said, since people constantly asked and requested they put it on there.
In regards to this movie website. IDK, I personally think someone is playing games again. Then again I could be wrong. :|
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I agree. I wouldn't have never contacted TMZ constantly asking them why MJ wasn't on the RIP List. I would have waited to see hwo long they were going to continue to play this game. There was no way a great entertainer would have been forgotten to be placed on the list for almost 6-7 months. That is foolishness. But like you said, since people constantly asked and requested they put it on there.
In regards to this movie website. IDK, I personally think someone is playing games again. Then again I could be wrong. :|
Exactly. But in this case, I really don't feel like it was anyone playing with us. Unless IMDB staff lives under a rock, they know that Michael Jackson "died", so if some user of the website went in and added Michael as the director, IMDB would have had to approve it before it showed up. See what I'm saying? They would see that someone was trying to add Michael as the director, said to themselves (or others if they wanted to laugh about it), "He's dead, he can't be directing this film." and just wouldn't have approved that update. So this really makes me wonder... did Michael or someone from his camp contact them to have that added and then once they saw people noticed, let it be removed? It's the only thing that makes sense to me. lol
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I agree. I wouldn't have never contacted TMZ constantly asking them why MJ wasn't on the RIP List. I would have waited to see hwo long they were going to continue to play this game. There was no way a great entertainer would have been forgotten to be placed on the list for almost 6-7 months. That is foolishness. But like you said, since people constantly asked and requested they put it on there.
In regards to this movie website. IDK, I personally think someone is playing games again. Then again I could be wrong. :|
Exactly. But in this case, I really don't feel like it was anyone playing with us. Unless IMDB staff lives under a rock, they know that Michael Jackson "died", so if some user of the website went in and added Michael as the director, IMDB would have had to approve it before it showed up. See what I'm saying? They would see that someone was trying to add Michael as the director, said to themselves (or others if they wanted to laugh about it), "He's dead, he can't be directing this film." and just wouldn't have approved that update. So this really makes me wonder... did Michael or someone from his camp contact them to have that added and then once they saw people noticed, let it be removed? It's the only thing that makes sense to me. lol
True , so true! If IMDB is following protocol and actually and THOROUGHLY reviewing the information being submitted on the web site.......then why would they even allow this to go through? Yes could be a simple error, but ummmmm I am not buying it. Were they in the mood for jokes, ? Maybe they felt like playing around with MJ's fans? IDK what to think anymore. I mean it was on there for a while right? Now all of a sudden its gone? Surley they should have known we were going to discover this sooner or later> ANOTHER thing why in the world is Murray agreeing to do this documentary anyway? :?
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Also, if somene dies and their spouse or a member of their family still get letters or utility bills addressed to them , it can be very upsetting for the family involved. You would have thought that the people running the site would have been more sensitive to MJ's family and fans and checked properly before they added him as a director - unless of course, they were told to or paid to by MJ or his people.
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Does anybody know if information is verified by IMDb BEFORE being posted? Cause if it's not it could have very well been just an advertising stunt from whomever is making this documentary. The page got a lot of views since MJ was director. And IMDB got it down quick after it was reported.
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IMDB seems to have always prided themselves on being the biggest movie database on the web so I would say they do verify before posting. But I don't KNOW that for sure.
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This documentary is up 1,398% in popularity. I haven't ever seen anything over 100%. Wow
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Hi guys...I think we can trust the website but where did u all see that Michael would be the director of this documentary post production?? I just saw written:
CAST: MJ, himself (archive footage)
C.M, himself
The cast should be the poeple IN the documentary/moovie, but where did u see MJ s name as the director of it? :roll:
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They removed director, anyone make a screenshot?
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They removed director, anyone make a screenshot?
here on page 2 viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12678&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=12678&start=25)
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good I saved the screenshot on my computer.... Pheew
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Thank you for the screen shot...wowowowowow you must have felt off of your chairs when you saw that "live" written!!! But then why putting his name as the director...to finally take the name off again? Whats the point? Does that mean some poeple from the website or on that hoax too? Or could it be just a mistake?? This is crazy, I dont know what to think... :?
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Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fb ... 1GzOR6X5T0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fbSxU&playnext=1&videos=G1GzOR6X5T0)
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Here ya go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fb ... 1GzOR6X5T0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_U135fbSxU&playnext=1&videos=G1GzOR6X5T0)
Yeah, I see it.
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Some things just don't add up.....these are recent screen shots of members who have edited or added comments to the page................
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This site was very interesting...also the comic-con site that has the documentary called Jackson 5....Million, with Michael playing himself ;) Too great!
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I just hope noone is not playing games with us, that's all. Enough of that nonsense!
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I would bet money, that Michael was behind this!! :D
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so fake
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Sorry if someone already mentioned this i really am being lazy now don't feel like surfing through these pages looking :oops: :D
But do we remember the little show Dr. Murray was suppose to come out with???
Could this be a connection with it of some sort because instead of a show a movie instead :?: ???
My brain is dead now but just a thought i had :D
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2016 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2016)
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they removed the part of the director
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Sorry, If You Saw It Already!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio)
Look At The Bio , And This Part.
For it all to end on June 25, 2009, with his sudden death at age 50 of a drug-induced cardiac arrest, just as he was coming out of a four-year reclusive period and rehearsing for a sold-out London concert "comeback" in July, seems uncommonly cruel and tragic. Millions upon millions of dedicated fans will remember where they were "the day Michael died".
" the day Michael died " ---> in inverted comma ???
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:shock: :shock:
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Sorry, If You Saw It Already!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/bio)
Look At The Bio , And This Part.
For it all to end on June 25, 2009, with his sudden death at age 50 of a drug-induced cardiac arrest, just as he was coming out of a four-year reclusive period and rehearsing for a sold-out London concert "comeback" in July, seems uncommonly cruel and tragic. Millions upon millions of dedicated fans will remember where they were "the day Michael died".
" the day Michael died " ---> in inverted comma ???
You mean "quotes"? Not so strange. Maybe they will be using this phrase frequently or in the title.
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Something really ODD going on here...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/)
The movie was in post production and now it's IN production??? WTF? No due date, too.
They removed all cast except for Dr. Murray, no director, nothing.
Is someone playing with us? Does the documentary exist at all? And why would Murray agree to that anyway?? Reminds me of Batshit documentary. It would actually make sense if they wanted to get inspiration from that and make a documentary on Murray which depicts things that aren't true... :?:
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What is so interesting about this is that if you take a look the bottom of the screen it gives some reccommendations on some movies that the database thinks that you would like to view based upon you choosing the documentary about Dr. Conrad Murray. And what I also saw was WhiteRabbit Productions LLC. And it gives a description of what this company does, i.e. Professional HD/SD Video Production Shooting/ Editing Post Production. I tried looking up the company on wikipedia(?) and what I got was White Rabbit and it states White Rabbit redirect to The Matrix. And we all know about The Matrix Movies. Also in the section under FAQ on that movie website it states this Why do people continue to believe everything out there?. This is pretty interesting you think.
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What is so interesting about this is that if you take a look the bottom of the screen it gives some reccommendations on some movies that the database thinks that you would like to view based upon you choosing the documentary about Dr. Conrad Murray. And what I also saw was WhiteRabbit Productions LLC. And it gives a description of what this company does, i.e. Professional HD/SD Video Production Shooting/ Editing Post Production. I tried looking up the company on wikipedia(?) and what I got was White Rabbit and it states White Rabbit redirect to The Matrix. And we all know about The Matrix Movies. Also in the section under FAQ on that movie website it states this Why do people continue to believe everything out there?. This is pretty interesting you think.
Right! I also noticed that thing with "believing everything out there". Very strange, the whole thing, agree!
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Synopsis for
Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary
The trial of Dr. Conrad Murray coming to a courthouse near you. The players will include the body guards. The Chef and the children. Kenny Ortega & Travis Payne. AEG which hired the Dr. The Dr.'s financial status at the time of landing his dream job. His disappearance after the death an his refusal to sign the death certificate. Also the reasoning behind his omission on what drugs were administered to Michael Jackson.
This film will not discuss the conspiracies that are rampant out there. Who is Conrad Murray? Why was he selected as the Dr.? There are no spoiler alerts. And the cast will continue to increase as the trial progresses.
:?: :geek:
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Synopsis for
Untitled Dr. Conrad Murray Documentary
The trial of Dr. Conrad Murray coming to a courthouse near you. The players will include the body guards. The Chef and the children. Kenny Ortega & Travis Payne. AEG which hired the Dr. The Dr.'s financial status at the time of landing his dream job. His disappearance after the death an his refusal to sign the death certificate. Also the reasoning behind his omission on what drugs were administered to Michael Jackson.
This film will not discuss the conspiracies that are rampant out there. Who is Conrad Murray? Why was he selected as the Dr.? There are no spoiler alerts. And the cast will continue to increase as the trial progresses.
:?: :geek:
The first thing that crossed my mind when I read this was: "reveal himself piece-by-piece..." LIke they're going to reveal the story as it unfolds, some sort of reality show actually. Highly suspicious! Since that trial date was set to Jan 2011 they had to update the info?? From post-production to production :roll:
I wonder when they're going to change the info again :lol:
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry if someone else asked you, I haven't read the whole thread. I can't find the memorial date on the cover of Dangerous... :? Are you able to show a photo of where you mean?
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry if someone else asked you, I haven't read the whole thread. I can't find the memorial date on the cover of Dangerous... :? Are you able to show a photo of where you mean?
7 - 7 - 9 ;)
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry if someone else asked you, I haven't read the whole thread. I can't find the memorial date on the cover of Dangerous... :? Are you able to show a photo of where you mean?
7 - 7 - 9 ;)
Whoaaaa....7-7-09 was the memorial... that's insane! And awesome! Greatest show on earth for SURE. :D How did I not already know this? lol
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Too bad, my Dangerous albumcover does not show the pulse plus 7 anymore, it is cut away too far up!That hand with the plasters is supposed to be Michael`s hand, right? But it is made from stone and raising from below, does that mean "not alive", what do you think?
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:| :roll:
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(lol just noticed the atlas on the hand, im so slow :lol: )
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry if someone else asked you, I haven't read the whole thread. I can't find the memorial date on the cover of Dangerous... :? Are you able to show a photo of where you mean?
7 - 7 - 9 ;)
Oh jesus... that's a good catch!!!
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
The hoax - the greatest show on earth - PT Barnum - Mike wanted his career to be the greatest show on earth and was an avid follower of PT Barnum. Do you not know about the date of the memorial being on the CD cover of Dangerous? Just above PT Barnum's picture? The elephants walking in front of the Staples center just before Mike's memorial? The Memorial being "reality TV" in the IMDB instead of "news?" I see you are a fairly new member...it sounds like you have a lot of catching up to do. Happy Reading and Studying! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Sorry if someone else asked you, I haven't read the whole thread. I can't find the memorial date on the cover of Dangerous... :? Are you able to show a photo of where you mean?
7 - 7 - 9 ;)
Oh jesus... that's a good catch!!!
Right?!? I can't believe I am just now seeing it.. that's something we should have found a long time ago. Unless we did and just forgot, entirely possible.
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must have missed this thread during the summer...
I love the spoiler for the documentary "Why do people continue to believe everything out there? Because they read it and the first reaction is if it's in print it's true. "
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Ooh the numbers are so tiny but now I see :D I wonder if they had any other meaning and were coincidence or they really relate... :shock:
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OMG! I had not checked on that in a couple of months!
Let the Greatest Show on Earth continue!
We love you, Michael! And YES, we will be there! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
What "Greatest Show on Earth"...? :roll:
I saw the other person's comment but wanted to add that "The Greatest Show On Earth" was also a T.V. show in the 60's with Jack Palance. Great show. Jack Palance also played in one of the Batman movies. You might remember him handling his pet rat. He passed away not long ago.
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7 - 7 - 9 ;)
Oh jesus... that's a good catch!!!
Right?!? I can't believe I am just now seeing it.. that's something we should have found a long time ago. Unless we did and just forgot, entirely possible.
I checked my Dangerous album cover, it cuts off on the bottom above the 7 on the wrist so it isn't on my copy. I assume this is from the full painting? We always knew about the 7 on Tom Thumb's hat but that was before we knew the significance of the 9 so the elephant's head was disregarded as I recall. This may have been right when the 777 was discovered on MJs TII red shirt in the rehearsal pics, late July-ish, and we were looking at the predominance of 7s that popped up in MJ's life and career; such as 7 letters in Michael and 7 letters in Jackson, 7th child born the KJ, will signed on 7-7, memorial on 7-7, 7 in scream, 777 on HIStory statue armband, MJ said see you in July, etc etc.
We were such hoax-babies back in the day, aww, lol :P
Ps, MJs stone hand/wrist from the Dangerous cover we now know symbolizes the Cardiff Giant hoax, a fake petrified (which means turned to stone) giant man.