Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Theories => References & Similarities => Michael Jackson & Elvis Presley Similarities => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on July 17, 2010, 08:32:07 AM
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We need to start somewhere and I think we should start by mailing the media about ElvisAndMJ.com. If we collect the e-mail addresses of various media outlets here I think all of us should mail them about the site.
There are some excellent writers here and I want to ask you if some of you could make a draft e-mail, so everyone can mail the same info/evidence to the media. This should include of course the website url, videos about the DNA evidence, links to articles and blogs about Eliza's case and good arguments as to why it's obvious that both men are still alive and kicking.
If we mail enough media outlets (worldwide) we might get some of them to report about it. And as we have seen with the Sun article, it can snowball from there.
The mailing list so far:
Sallie.Hofmeister@latimes.com (http://mailto:Sallie.Hofmeister@latimes.com); publisher@nytimes.com (http://mailto:publisher@nytimes.com); thearts@nytimes.com (http://mailto:thearts@nytimes.com); stonline@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:stonline@sph.com.sg); tnp@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:tnp@sph.com.sg); feedback@inquirer.com.ph (http://mailto:feedback@inquirer.com.ph); editor@nationgroup.com (http://mailto:editor@nationgroup.com); editor@thedailystar.net (http://mailto:editor@thedailystar.net); khyu@heraldm.com (http://mailto:khyu@heraldm.com); webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw (http://mailto:webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw); Malini.Faasen@bnn.nl (http://mailto:Malini.Faasen@bnn.nl); monika.van.der.marel@sbs.nl (http://mailto:monika.van.der.marel@sbs.nl); redactie-i@telegraaf.nl (http://mailto:redactie-i@telegraaf.nl); ad@ad.nl (http://mailto:ad@ad.nl); redactie@nu.nl (http://mailto:redactie@nu.nl); berlin@dpa.com (http://mailto:berlin@dpa.com); redaktion@neon.de (http://mailto:redaktion@neon.de); You are not allowed to view links.
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The tweet list so far:
@petervdvorst
@gerardekdom
@giel3fm
@EversStaatOp538
@ruuddewild
@stcom
@thenewpaper
@inquirerdotnet
@nationnews
@NgTzeYong
@latimescitydesk
@latimeslocal
@lanow
@Oregon_Live
@cnnbrk
@HuffingtonPost
If everyone can gather e-mail addresses (and/or Twitter accounts) in this thread, and a few can make a good strong e-mail draft, we can all mail them at once. I will copy all the addresses and Twitter accounts in this post, so it will be easy to copy and paste. Please add as much e-mail addresses etc. from your country/state. Let's see if they will still ignore it.
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Should we be careful about who we mail? I mean the Sun totally twisted what you guys said and tried to make beLIEvers sound a bit silly. I would hate that to happen again as I think it actually just created a wider gap between 'us and 'them' (by them I mean non-believers). If we can somehow get through to a responsible news outlet then that would be awesome.
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Sorry, but don´t count on me.
Oh, and I don´t wanna be this new red thing.
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Should we be careful about who we mail? I mean the Sun totally twisted what you guys said and tried to make beLIEvers sound a bit silly. I would hate that to happen again as I think it actually just created a wider gap between 'us and 'them' (by them I mean non-believers). If we can somehow get through to a responsible news outlet then that would be awesome.
I see where you are coming from, yet we did expose the Sun on the website after they posted that article. That is why the e-mail we send should be very well argumented. The media that contacted us AFTER the Sun article, was merely interested in the fact that they screwed us and many articles and blogs back then linked to the page with the real e-mails we sent, so everyone could read exactly what we wrote to her.
If we want attention to the site, the media is our best shot. People will enter the url and will read for themselves, even if an article is making fun of us. They will read about the undeniable DNA evidence of which I am sure most people don't even know about.
It's not about what an article says, as long as people will go to the webpage and read. And since people are nosey and curious by nature, they will, we saw what the Sun article did to the traffic on the websites.
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Sorry, but don´t count on me.
Oh, and I don´t wanna be this new red thing.
We won't, and no problem, I removed you from the group.
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Whoa, I'm sorry I don't think it's a good idea
I think we went already too far with the Elvisandmjdotcom theory and I don't really care if it was TS who came up with this, the media shouldn't be involved, this is Michael's hoax, let's let HIM lead it, in his own way..
We shouldn't prepare the media for his return, Michael is the one who should take them by surprise and take his revenge back, plus this Elvisandmjdotcom doesn't look credible enough to make the media aware of it..
I don't know if Michael would want this to be in the news..
This is just the way I see it, and I suppose there're many people who believe the same but they won't voice their opinion because they don't want others to get mad at them or to get involved in an argument..
I hope no one feels ofended by this, it's just the way I see it
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Whoa, I'm sorry I don't think it's a good idea
I think we went already too far with the Elvisandmjdotcom theory and I don't really care if it was TS who came up with this, the media shouldn't be involved, this is Michael's hoax, let's let HIM lead it, in his own way..
We shouldn't prepare the media for his return, Michael is the one who should take them by surprise and take his revenge back, plus this Elvisandmjdotcom doesn't look credible enough to make the media aware of it..
I don't know if Michael would want this to be in the news..
This is just the way I see it, and I suppose there're many people who believe the same but they won't voice their opinion because they don't want others to get mad at them or to get involved in an argument..
I hope no one feels ofended by this, it's just the way I see it
Hazzely
I agree with you
Exactly how I see it also. The media is Michael's enemy.
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Finally, consider me as IN before I change my mind again :)
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I will do everything for Michael!!! I will not be present, I do not go to the media ......
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Asia News Network: stonline@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:stonline@sph.com.sg)
The Straits Times (Singapore): tnp@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:tnp@sph.com.sg)
Today (Singapore): feedback@inquirer.com.ph (http://mailto:feedback@inquirer.com.ph)
Daily Yomiuri (Japan): editor@nationgroup.com (http://mailto:editor@nationgroup.com)
The Star (Malaysia): editor@thedailystar.net (http://mailto:editor@thedailystar.net)
The Brunei Times (Brunei): khyu@heraldm.com (http://mailto:khyu@heraldm.com)
Vientiane Times (Laos): webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw (http://mailto:webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw)
The Statesman (India): htp://twitter.com/stcom (http://htp://twitter.com/stcom)
The New Paper (Singapore): http://twitter.com/thenewpaper (http://twitter.com/thenewpaper)
Inquirer (Philippines): http://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet (http://twitter.com/inquirerdotnet)
The Nation (Thailand): http://twitter.com/nationnews (http://twitter.com/nationnews)
http://twitter.com/NgTzeYong (http://twitter.com/NgTzeYong)
In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media!
I trust TS... don't know if this is along the lines of what TS is thinking, but if it is, i'll do it for sure.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
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I think this is not the bad idea to get the public exposed to this and I do not see many ways to reach the public other than trying to get media attention.
Elvis has been dead much longer than MJ and media was already talking in the past about people believing Elvis was alive. It seems that with the new DNA evidence, at least some of media houses are still talking about this. But I have not seen a lot of talks on MJ faking his death.
The first reaction I get from almost anyone taking MJ might be alive is yeah, sure and Elvis is alive as well, give me a break... I am sure you have heard this also.
So it seems that most of people I talked to knew about „Elvis still alive“ subject very well.
So why there cannot be „MJ still alive“ discussion?
If we believe this is a hoax, and presumalby since we are here we believe or at least some of us believe, then probably some of us also feel that this hoax is not only about MJ escaping to live a „normal“ life someplace else but rather to get The Message out.
We may not agree all what is The Message: heal the planet? love for children? expose dirty mind games or conspiracies? or sth else or all of the above. But at the end of a day it is all for LOVE, regardless what kind of definition we apply.
We do not know who in the hoax inner circle, who is aware and who is not, but still none of the family members or people that have been close to MJ said nothing IMO, to discourage us hoaxers. On the contrary they seem to encourage us to follow the path by saying: „it is conspiracy“, „Murray fall guy“, „they have always been after him“, „it will all come up“. Plus why the hell some family members are talking MJ was abusing drugs – regardless if this is true or not - isn’t it just helping Murray's defence?
Since June last year, for obvious reasons, there have been anormus news and talking about MJ. Definitely much more than if he would had got for This Is It concerts. Plus, what is more important I think, a lot of the discussion was not only about MJ as an artist but MJ as a human being. Probably for the first time after long long time. Why not to leverage on that?
I can imagine the question: spreading the message is one thing but Elvis and MJ is another. Yes, but at least for me this might be just the first step to get the message out. „Elvis still alive“ idea is already out there, so why not to leverage on this also? Once the doubt is there, maybe some people will start to dig into it, same as we did months ago, with a difference that there is so much good info already they can read.
Once there is MJ is alive topic out there, then it might be time to ask the question why? Why did he do this? It all of course may take time and patiency but regardless of what The Message is, by asking why question, it might be exposed and listened to.
The hoax did not reach millions, I do not know of course if it was assumed it would or not, but still, it reached us.
Of course we might be wrong doing this but isn’t everybody close to MJ taking about MJ legacy and spreading his message?
On my small personal experience. When last year I spoke to couple of my collegues about MJ being alive, they thought I was completely crazy and did not want to listen. I did never surrender and from time to time gave them a hint of what was going on. I was still called crazy... but after couple of months, it is them right now to ask me questions about MJ and it is not only hoax related. I call it my small success.
And as a closing remark, what do we risk by going to media: that they will call us insane? SO WHAT? Why do we care?
We all have choice what to do, but I am 100% supportive of the idea and am trying to figure out how to do best do this.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
[/b] Please convince me of this idea... I really don't know...
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To those who object to informing the media:
Go to this forum category - viewforum.php?f=97 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97)
The hoax IS already in the media, so contacting the media about it is nothing new.
The Elvis/Eliza/DNA subject is also already in the media as Foxnews did items on it.
I still have the feeling that more people need to be aware of these hoaxes before the hoax can progress.
Mike did not hoax his death for nothing, he has a purpose. We need to let people know about it, we need to spread the word. In my opinion, it's our task.
Many people are waiting for a BAM, but I don't think that BAM can take place unless enough people are aware of what had happened, and what needs to be done.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important.
How big is Mike's Army of L.O.V.E. now..? Do you think enough people joined to make that change..? I don't think so, we're far from enough people to accomplish a change.
That is why more people need to know about the hoax, so that they too can join Mike's Army of L.O.V.E. too.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
And at this point, I don't give a rat's a** if I look stupid in the public's opinion. Human consciousness IS important but how can we make any changes without utilizing the resources we have? People aren't just going to suddenly wake up one day with an epiphany that Michael Jackson hoaxed his death to wake them up. We have to share what we know with them! It's like the gospel in a way. We can't expect people to know about it without giving them the information first. That's hard to do too, isn't it? Telling people about the gospel. A lot of people look at you like you're crazy if you come up to them with a Bible. But look how popular Christianity still is to this day. All because people were talking about a man who died and came back to life. Is it just me, or is that even HARDER to believe than what we are talking about? I'm just saying that when people get a taste of truth, it doesn't matter how "crazy" or unlikely it seems - once they believe in it they won't care if they look crazy anymore. That is how I feel... because the TRUTH is more IMPORTANT than my ego.
This in no way is going to be easy. But someone has to do it. Michael has made very clear that he wants to change the world and that he cannot do it by himself. He's counting on us. I urge everyone to please participate as much as possible. And if not, be thinking of other ideas. We are all apart of this.
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To those who object to informing the media:
Go to this forum category - viewforum.php?f=97 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97)
The hoax IS already in the media, so contacting the media about it is nothing new.
The Elvis/Eliza/DNA subject is also already in the media as Foxnews did items on it.
I still have the feeling that more people need to be aware of these hoaxes before the hoax can progress.
Mike did not hoax his death for nothing, he has a purpose. We need to let people know about it, we need to spread the word. In my opinion, it's our task.
Many people are waiting for a BAM, but I don't think that BAM can take place unless enough people are aware of what had happened, and what needs to be done.
A BAM is not a BAM if everyone knows about it.
If this is what Michael wants, then yeah, we need to stand by his side and hep him.
BUT how can you be so sure this is helping and not hurting him? It has been pretty quiet lately...maybe there's a reason for that.
I can't support this.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
And at this point, I don't give a rat's a** if I look stupid in the public's opinion. Human consciousness IS important but how can we make any changes without utilizing the resources we have? People aren't just going to suddenly wake up one day with an epiphany that Michael Jackson hoaxed his death to wake them up. We have to share what we know with them! It's like the gospel in a way. We can't expect people to know about it without giving them the information first. That's hard to do too, isn't it? Telling people about the gospel. A lot of people look at you like you're crazy if you come up to them with a Bible. But look how popular Christianity still is to this day. All because people were talking about a man who died and came back to life. Is it just me, or is that even HARDER to believe than what we are talking about? I'm just saying that when people get a taste of truth, it doesn't matter how "crazy" or unlikely it seems - once they believe in it they won't care if they look crazy anymore. That is how I feel... because the TRUTH is more IMPORTANT than my ego.
This in no way is going to be easy. But someone has to do it. Michael has made very clear that he wants to change the world and that he cannot do it by himself. He's counting on us. I urge everyone to please participate as much as possible. And if not, be thinking of other ideas. We are all apart of this.
Let's make an experiment...let's play a game :D
Let's all pick ONE person who is still blind to what's going on in the world, who is (mostly) full of hate, an ignorant,etc..you get the idea...and let's try to wake him up and get him to change like you said. First convince him that MJ hoaxed his death to save his a$$ and then see if that changes his view on the world and his actions.
Who up for the challenge?! From hose who support MJANDELVISDOTCOM.
P.S. If someone can be convinced that MJ is ( most likely) alive based on what we know, he is obviously a man who can still THINK. And if that is the case, isn't it easier to go straight to the source?! ;)
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help :roll:
sorry but are you for real? Have you read TS's posts? He's by far the most intelligent and analytical person to post here. Stop ridiculing someone else just cos you don't agree with their theory.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help :roll:
sorry but are you for real? Have you read TS's posts? He's by far the most intelligent and analytical person to post here. Stop ridiculing someone else just cos you don't agree with their theory.
Agreed. If TS needs mental help than so do I :)
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
And at this point, I don't give a rat's a** if I look stupid in the public's opinion. Human consciousness IS important but how can we make any changes without utilizing the resources we have? People aren't just going to suddenly wake up one day with an epiphany that Michael Jackson hoaxed his death to wake them up. We have to share what we know with them! It's like the gospel in a way. We can't expect people to know about it without giving them the information first. That's hard to do too, isn't it? Telling people about the gospel. A lot of people look at you like you're crazy if you come up to them with a Bible. But look how popular Christianity still is to this day. All because people were talking about a man who died and came back to life. Is it just me, or is that even HARDER to believe than what we are talking about? I'm just saying that when people get a taste of truth, it doesn't matter how "crazy" or unlikely it seems - once they believe in it they won't care if they look crazy anymore. That is how I feel... because the TRUTH is more IMPORTANT than my ego.
This in no way is going to be easy. But someone has to do it. Michael has made very clear that he wants to change the world and that he cannot do it by himself. He's counting on us. I urge everyone to please participate as much as possible. And if not, be thinking of other ideas. We are all apart of this.
Let's make an experiment...let's play a game :D
Let's all pick ONE person who is still blind to what's going on in the world, who is (mostly) full of hate, an ignorant,etc..you get the idea...and let's try to wake him up and get him to change like you said. First convince him that MJ hoaxed his death to save his a$$ and then see if that changes his view on the world and his actions.
Who up for the challenge?! From hose who support MJANDELVISDOTCOM.
P.S. If someone can be convinced that MJ is ( most likely) alive based on what we know, he is obviously a man who can still THINK. And if that is the case, isn't it easier to go straight to the source?! ;)
This is a great idea that I've mentioned before. The one-on-one conversations we have with people can really go a long way. Especially for the older generations who may not be as computer savvy as we are. It doesn't necessarily have to be the most hateful or ignorant person you can think of, but I get what you are saying. I think it should start with your own circle of family and friends. I speak to my family on a regular basis about this whether they ask about it or not...and I've found that most of them are entertained by it at the least, which makes them listen. After they have listened, questions start to come. I am also very open about my research and beliefs on my facebook and twitter accounts, which has allowed friends to get curious and start asking questions. Questions are a GREAT thing...because the only way to get answers is to research..and once someone starts researching this, it's impossible to forget about it. So yes, I urge eveyone to speak openly about this with friends and family. My grandmother became a beLIEver when I explained what I know about Elvis. She didn't care as much about MJ, but has always been obsessed with Elvis. And being the true fan she is, she had tears in her eyes when I showed her the picture of "Jesse". She knew it was him. So that might be something to try with the older generations. And make sure to share your tactics with all of us so we can utilize them as well and make the biggest impact possible.
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@jacilovesmichael I'm glad you did that and I hope all of us do it more and more.
I have done it since I started believing in the hoax. And as I "awakened" more and more to the world around me I talked to others about that. What I found interesting is that most people seemed to either react the same to the hoax and the NWO stuff or more to the NWO than to Mj. I think it's because they can relate it it more and the proof of that is more out there for everyone than MJ's hoax.
Anyway, my point is that we should focus on the target, that being to awaken people to what's going o in our world. And after that ( the most important part) to take ACTION!
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I personally truly believe that we have to let the world know and go to the medias.
How do you want to spread the truth if we stay closed in the forum ? It has to go outside no matter how people react. The truth has to be put above everything here. The medias lie. We know that. But we have to use them now to relay our point of view, the inconsistencies gathered in this investigation and soon the truth will speak for itself. The idea is that we are planting seeds that can become trees of awareness.
If we want to spread LOVE and the truth how do we do if the ones who spread hatred and lies have greater exposure ? How do we counterbalance that ? Surely not by staying quiet. We have to break the silence and be a real soldier of Love. Enough is enough of this garbage after all !
I feel that we have to pave the way for Michael. If nobody knows anything about the hoax how do you expect people to react when (or rather if now) Michael comes back ? They will not take it serioulsy AT ALL while if they already hear about it before they will question: how did they know ? Maybe they were true ? Let's go and see for ourselves...
I'll add that we have not eternity to act. We have to make it as fast as possible. Plus we are only "messengers" we cannot force people to believe or see the truth. When the truth is exposed everybody's free to make what they want with it, it's just that they will not be able to say "I didn't know" when the time comes.
Michael please if you read this give us one more (obvious ;) ) clue on TMZ (for example) showing that You want US to go to the medias because we need a lot of people for it to work better than what happened with Twitter. Thank you and God bless you. (Who knows maybe he is really reading.)
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I personally truly believe that we have to let the world know and go to the medias.
How do you want to spread the truth if we stay closed in the forum ? It has to go outside no matter how people react. The truth has to be put above everything here. The medias lie. We know that. But we have to use them now to relay our point of view, the inconsistencies gathered in this investigation and soon the truth will speak for itself. The idea is that we are planting seeds that can become trees of awareness.
If we want to spread LOVE and the truth how do we do if the ones who spread hatred and lies have greater exposure ? How do we counterbalance that ? Surely not by staying quiet. We have to break the silence and be a real soldier of Love. Enough is enough of this garbage after all !
I feel that we have to pave the way for Michael. If nobody knows anything about the hoax how do you expect people to react when (or rather if now) Michael comes back ? They will not take it serioulsy AT ALL while if they already hear about it before they will question: how did they know ? Maybe they were true ? Let's go and see for ourselves...
I'll add that we have not eternity to act. We have to make it as fast as possible. Plus we are only "messengers" we cannot force people to believe or see the truth. When the truth is exposed everybody's free to make what they want with it, it's just that they will not be able to say "I didn't know" when the time comes.
Michael please if you read this give us one more (obvious ;) ) clue on TMZ (for example) showing that You want US to go to the medias because we need a lot of people for it to work better than what happened with Twitter. Thank you and God bless you. (Who knows maybe he is really reading.)
Great post and I agree with you completely.
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Thank you jacilovesmichael.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help :roll:
You have no right to say things like that about anyone , If you don't agree with what he says , fine ,ignore it or try to debunk him or just say I don't believe nor trust him , but to say it's crap and that he needs mental help is not nice , please refrain from saying things like this in the future...
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I agree with you Sarahli
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help :roll:
You have no right to say things like that about anyone , If you don't agree with what he says , fine ,ignore it or try to debunk him or just say I don't believe nor trust him , but to say it's crap and that he needs mental help is not nice , please refrain from saying things like this in the future...
Agreed. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must do all things with love.
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Unfortunately I can not stand behind this idea.
Why we don't focus on Michael's real intention and message? What he wanted to change with the Army of L.O.V.E. in human consciousness is so much more important. I think the media can quickly use #elvisandmjdotcom against us. In the end in the public opinion we will be the stupid, those who have enriched the world by a new conspiracy-theory. For me the message of the Army of L.O.V.E. is too important to lose credibility.
Don't get me wrong. I'm willing to do (almost) everything that can be done in Michael's sense. But to give #elvisandmjdotcom to the press is not one of my favorite ideas.
Do you think that Michael wanted us do that #elvisandmjdotcom-thing?
If I believe that TS indeed does have inside information and therefore is in contact with Michael, which I do, then yes I believe Michael did want us to do the ElvisAndMJ.com thing.
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TS is a person who needs mental help :roll:
You have no right to say things like that about anyone , If you don't agree with what he says , fine ,ignore it or try to debunk him or just say I don't believe nor trust him , but to say it's crap and that he needs mental help is not nice , please refrain from saying things like this in the future...
Agreed. We all have the right to our own opinion, but we must do all things with love.
I also agree.
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Should we be careful about who we mail? I mean the Sun totally twisted what you guys said and tried to make beLIEvers sound a bit silly. I would hate that to happen again as I think it actually just created a wider gap between 'us and 'them' (by them I mean non-believers). If we can somehow get through to a responsible news outlet then that would be awesome.
I see where you are coming from, yet we did expose the Sun on the website after they posted that article. That is why the e-mail we send should be very well argumented. The media that contacted us AFTER the Sun article, was merely interested in the fact that they screwed us and many articles and blogs back then linked to the page with the real e-mails we sent, so everyone could read exactly what we wrote to her.
If we want attention to the site, the media is our best shot. People will enter the url and will read for themselves, even if an article is making fun of us. They will read about the undeniable DNA evidence of which I am sure most people don't even know about.
It's not about what an article says, as long as people will go to the webpage and read. And since people are nosey and curious by nature, they will, we saw what the Sun article did to the traffic on the websites.
Thank you for your explanation Souza, it is a good point. I guess if even if we only got the message out to responsible news outlets then the tabloids would get hold of it a twist it in their own messed up way. Like you say, I guess the most important thing is for us to make sure that the mails we send out are well written, credible, informative, respectful but not over the top (I mean we don't want to come across as fanatics who can't accept Michaels death). I will have to research the best media outlets here in France, will will take some time as I don't watch TV as our TV sucks! :D
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Hmmmm, I expected these reactions (except for the mental issues one, you are warned rabbit, this is not the first time you are being disrespectful towards someone) but still I think the media needs to be involved. With how many are we? How can we make the world notice this with like 10 people? Impossible! We need to take advantage of the media. They lie, they deceive, we know that. Yet they are read by millions, even billions. Like I said: people are curious by nature and will type in the url, because they do wanna know what's it about, most certainly because 84% of the people think that Elvis is still alive after seeing the evidence, and more and more people are questioning MJ's 'death' lately as well. As long as they visit the website, they will read we are not crazy. And like someone else said: I don't care if people say I'm crazy, this is not about egos. And who is crazy? Souza? Who's that?
And we should also realize that lately when the media is reporting about the hoax, they are really questioning things, even the Sun. Their tone and arrogance ignores the hell out of me, but they didn't say we were wrong, they couldn't debunk it. So as long as we present fact and good argumentation, it's up to them to prove the world we're nuts. They can't, but they will mention the site url and people will look, it's simply Human Nature.
And I do believe Mike wants us to spread it, we have influence, we need to help out. The media will post articles about him anyway. They can better post this, than another weird rumor they've heard.
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We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
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We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
The truth is that Eliza has undeniable DNA evidence to support her case. Also a truth is that Elvis' death and MJ's death are frankly the same. The numerology is there so that when Mike returns, he can prove that he planned this himself.
It's quiet now, only a few articles on TMZ about MJ in July, while June had almost 100 articles. To me that means that we should take action now, it's our turn. We play a role in this hoax and this site shouldn't be kept a secret.
I am truly convinced of that. I Mike didn't want the media to be involved, I am sure that we would have received an email from the estate to close this site after the Sun article was posted. That didn't happen, we never even heard a sibling say they weren't pleased with the rumors.
ZLike Jermaine said: 'The media should take notice'. I really believe that we should be the messengers.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
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We must let the media eat their sh*t, not help them to make fun of us and Michael again, u never know how they twist our words, even the most reliable source you'll ever find. We don't have to force anyone to read the forum or to become aware of Elviandmj.com, people already know about it, us (believers and nonbelievers), and some of the media also..we don't have to prepare them for his comeback nor feed them.. And who said THIS IS THE TRUTH? What is the truth? Why is THIS (elvisandmjdotcom) the truth? TO ME it's just a theory and should remain in this forum..
I think we should all decide whether the media has to be involved or not.. :S
Peace
I agree! This needs to be thought through. It's the media we're talking about here. Tabloid or not they ALL lie! ( ok... maybe just 99% :) ) and they will twist our words and distort things. Look at what they have done in the past. And this is the best case scenario. In case they DO write about it.
And @souza I disagree with you that people will access the link. Some will, yes, but most won;t. Most people are still in the sleeping faze where they just read what the newspaper says, they shake their head and move on. Some only read the headlines and the first paragraph. And others just get second hand news. Sadly there are still people out there, a large number, who are still act on reflex, and this is how they are used. If they had the time and WISH to search for the fact behind the story they read ( which is what got US here) they would have known about a LOT of things by now. But they don't. And that's why.
These people need a big BLOW to the head to wake up. And I don;t mean that in a disrespectful way. A BAM would wake some of them. But that is not our choice to make.
Yes, e are only 10 people but there are thousands and thousands of out out there who have awakened and who are waking people up. It's in small steps but that's how a non-chaotic change can be made.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or somethin. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
Exactly, I agree 100%.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
That's not what we mean. Focussing on Elvis now makes sense because there is actual proof he is still alive. Mike's message is being widely spread on this forum. By making people realize that Elvis is still alive, and show them the similarities with Mike, people will get interested and read on. It IS about the MJ hoax, but to make people see what his message is, we need to find a way to get them to actually read. The evidence about Elvis is proof, not just theories from hoaxers and is therefore more reliable for people.
And I don't agree on the 'they won't visit the site' part. After the article in The Sun we had 100,000 EXTRA unique visitors on the website in just 2 days. That's 100,000 more people questioning. So crap article or not, it helped in a way.
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
What people are you trying to convice about Elvis? Most of people won't even access the link, and those who will won't look up all the information we have in the forum about the hoax, it will just be a major fail. Michael's message isn't about Elvis, so I don't know why you keep saying "let's spread his message and let the media know about elvisandmj.com". That's quite the contrary.. It has not be proven that Elvis faked his death, so contacting the media before that is not a good idea, doesn't matter what TS says and how much he tries to get elvisandmj.com in the spotlight. Why do we focus more on Elvis now? If we want to spread Michael's message and make them aware of it then it has to be by other means, and showing them the REAL MESSAGE and what Michael tried to tell us by means of his music and speeches.
And why do we have to let them know about it anyway? I still don't see how did you get to the conclusion that Michael wants us to contact the media. Because TS didn't say the opposite and because Jermaine said "the media should become aware"? We don't know what Jermaine meant by that, and anyhow I'm sure it wasn't because of ElvisandMj.com ..
Again, just my point of view.
As I said, I do see your point of view and I think your opinion is completely valid. I do hope that once it is proven that Elvis is alive people may embrace this tactic a bit more. Because you may be right that it's not very useful until we know for sure. But once it is confirmed, I hope that enough people know about it for it to make an impact. Once again, the media will have limited coverage on Elvis being alive because they don't want to admit any mistakes and they certainly don't want to disrupt an illusion that has been apart of pop culture for decades. This is why I feel it's important to at least try to bring about awareness to what is going on, because if and when it is confirmed the information most likely will not be readily available. The freedom we have on the internet is in the process of being taken away as well. That is why I'm not waiting until anything is confirmed because we may not have the opportunity if we wait...
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
YES!!
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But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
I honestly can understand both sides, I really can. However, the reason I support the Elvis information is because if people aren't prepared for Michael to "come back and shock the world", then it's not going to make much of an impact. People will either think it's just a lie, or that he faked his death just to do a comeback tour or something. And the media will do everything they can to avoid the facts just so they don't have to admit they were wrong. I don't think his goal is to simply shock the world, I think he has an important message and if the message isn't first received then a comeback would be pointless. Involving Elvis is smart NOT because some "crazy" people believe he faked his death but because there is solid evidence to support this. We are trying to get people to see that a stunt like this is in fact possible. It's not entirely about showing people where MJ got his inspiration (it's clear he was inspired by many different things), but to show that a celebrity faking their death is 100% possible. Once it is proven with DNA that Elvis did not die in 77, then people will automatically start to see the death of Michael Jackson in a different light and be more receptive to the message.
I agree, if people can accept that Elvis faked his death, I think that people are likely to be a lot less hard on MJ when the truth comes out. The press have had a vendetta against Michael since he became famous. Elvis did get some negative press but no way near the extent of Michael. I think the more people that become aware of not only that they faked their deaths but the reasons behind it then the more people will understand the message and also how the media LIES. This would hopefully be the end result of us getting through to the press. People would realize that they have been lied to by the media and will start to question what other things they have been lied to about. Isn't that something Michael wanted?
Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
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Sorry, but don´t count on me.
Oh, and I don´t wanna be this new red thing.
We won't, and no problem, I removed you from the group.
Thank you so much Souza.
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Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
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Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Believe me, I linked her a few things and she was too quick with her replies. They don't read the stuff that don't interests them, they really are lazy. Normally they rather copy and paste someone else's article.
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Yes, but that we won't tell the media of course. We should get them on their own game. Making them believe they have a scoop, what will eventually result in exposing their crappy business. Don't believe they will read the forum to see if that's our purpose, they are too f*ching lazy for that. The Sun was so lazy she only read the part about Dave Dave, that's just a zillionst % of the complete story.
I personally don't believe that she only read the part about Dave Dave, I think she thought it was what would sell. Plus, there was a very easily accessible video of Dave Dave on youtube.
Either way, the point is that they don't care about the truth they only care about "what sells" as you said...
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I understand the concern and the fear of going to the press. We know how they twist things but it must not stop us to talk. Their lies will soon turn against them. When we make an action we just have to pray God and ask Him to help us reach the hearts.
If people focused only on the evidence, Elvis' fake death would appear more than credible. There is DNA evidence here. It can't be dismissed. But people are blinded by the clowd of ridicule that has been created to circule this story and prevent the truth to be known. DNA is not enough apparently. So what will convince them ? Even an empty tomb will not be enough.
The fans who believe that Elvis is still alive since more than 30 years are crazy ? I don't think so. They have also investigated and are sure about what they have discovered as we are with Michael. We should be the first to understand.
A lot of people ridicule the existence of the Illuminati or the NWO, don't believe that God exists or that the end of the world will occur, don't know that history books are made of lies..etc. Does it mean that we have to stay quiet about these subjects as well just because people will laugh at us ? What about the truth then ? Do we just wait for Michael to come back ?
Michael gives millions of dollars to charities all over the world and is still being called names by stupid people (to stay polite) do you think he still cares at this point about what the press will say or not ? To me he has nothing to lose but everything to win.
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My fav. IDEA Hee Hee... LOL>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/ (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/)
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Below link is to a columnist I think would be interested in this News..
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Info from where I live below. Worth linking to twitter and facebook accounts.
The website offers "Free" Classified advertisements. :idea:
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@Oregon_live http://twitter.com/Oregon_live (http://twitter.com/Oregon_live)
And a reminder to the naysayers...
[youtube:1t9ry467]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TjEklyF7-E[/youtube:1t9ry467]
L.O.V.E.
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My fav. IDEA Hee Hee... LOL>>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/ (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/)
Follow California news on Facebook » http://www.facebook.com/latimescitydesk (http://www.facebook.com/latimescitydesk)
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Below link is to a columnist I think would be interested in this News..
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/ ... .columnist (http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-columnist-sbanks,0,755799.columnist)
Info from where I live below. Worth linking to twitter and facebook accounts.
The website offers "Free" Classified advertisements. :idea:
http://www.oregonlive.com/ (http://www.oregonlive.com/)
http://www.facebook.com/oregonlive (http://www.facebook.com/oregonlive)
@Oregon_live http://twitter.com/Oregon_live (http://twitter.com/Oregon_live)
And a reminder to the naysayers...
[youtube:3s18f6x5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TjEklyF7-E[/youtube:3s18f6x5]
L.O.V.E.
Thank you for posting that video! I love that movie, and it's a great story. Great reminder of the power of ONE and what can happen when people come together in the name of truth.
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Michael gives millions of dollars to charities all over the world and is still being called names by stupid people (to stay polite) do you think he still cares at this point about what the press will say or not ? To me he has nothing to lose but everything to win.
Yes, I do believe people now need to stand up against the media. This is a great chance to do so. The more people aware of the lies that we are being fed the better as far as I'm concerned. I think if the Media hadn't have taken it upon themselves to destroy Michael, he may not have needed to fake his death. It makes me mad to think that people actually use tabloids as an information source.
Well lets not take it anymore! Lets stand up and play them at their own game! Vive la revolution! :D
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How do you know that Elvis died ? I'm not convinced can you show me a proof ? Thanks.
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Does such disclosure on the Hoax will be good for Mike?? I fear the media unfairly criticize and judge the act of Michael. I also think we can be ridiculed and lose credibility.
I do not know if I believe in TS ... anyway if it goes wrong, do you think that can harm the return of Michael? :?:
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Does such disclosure on the Hoax will be good for Mike?? I fear the media unfairly criticize and judge the act of Michael. I also think we can be ridiculed and lose credibility.
I do not know if I believe in TS ... anyway if it goes wrong, do you think that can harm the return of Michael? :?:
I don't see how it can harm him any more than it already has. I'm convinced that some of the media suspect that he faked his death. The only media outlet that knows the truth is TMZ in my opinion seeing as they were the ones who reported it first; Everyone else just copied their news story after that;(Kind of like when Fox News reported that George Bush had won his second term as president). I think it would help Michael if the media covers this as it would be them having to admit they were wrong.
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It is my belief that pro-actively going to the media with the right message is right and I would like to support this effort, my current dilemma is however twofold:
1. Some remaining doubts with the Eliza story
"Eliza Presley" biological mother (Florence Sharp Clark) denies having had a relationship with either Vernon or Elvis
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -of-elvis/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/07/mom-daughter-not-sister-of-elvis/)
The dates for the hearing in Shelby County Chancery Court may have been set but I have not managed to get any confirmation of this. I however found some reference to the date the case was filed in the Menphis daily news, I was unable to get any relevant information from the County Court website.
http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.asp ... 2009#court (http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.aspx?noticesDate=9/4/2009#court)
Whilst I do agree that DNA evidences are indeed very strong evidences, the leap of faith here is about assuming that the source of the samples was not tampered with. (How did Suzanne Stratford of Fox 8 News procure a sample from Jesse? - I did not work this one out)
2.Directing the press to current http://www.Elvisandmj.com (http://www.Elvisandmj.com)
The content of the site may be quite difficult to understand for the non-initiate and much would need to go into the briefing to help understanding and avoid confusion and possible ridicule. (NB. I talk about the press from experience)
With L.O.V.E and to move us further forward
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Does such disclosure on the Hoax will be good for Mike?? I fear the media unfairly criticize and judge the act of Michael. I also think we can be ridiculed and lose credibility.
I do not know if I believe in TS ... anyway if it goes wrong, do you think that can harm the return of Michael? :?:
No, I think sitting back and doing nothing can harm his return. And what credibility do we have? We seriously have nothing to loose, they already think we are insane. Of course they will ridicule us, they might even write bad stuff about Mike as well, but like he said himself: He has rhinosaurus skin. I think he expected the media trashing, he knows them and he is used to it. That is why we need to try and get them on their own game. Many won't even burn their fingers on it, because they would have to admit they were wrong. Yet some may run with it and can help us get it out there. There is also still good media. Not much but there is and I am sure they would like to prove their crappy colleagues wrong.
besides that, we are not exposing MJ, the MJ hoax is still just a 'theory' and those who wanted to get at him before June 25 are already browsing this forum, believe me.
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It is my belief that pro-actively going to the media with the right message is right and I would like to support this effort, my current dilemma is however twofold:
1. Some remaining doubts with the Eliza story
"Eliza Presley" biological mother (Florence Sharp Clark) denies having had a relationship with either Vernon or Elvis
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -of-elvis/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/07/mom-daughter-not-sister-of-elvis/)
The dates for the hearing in Shelby County Chancery Court may have been set but I have not managed to get any confirmation of this. I however found some reference to the date the case was filed in the Menphis daily news, I was unable to get any relevant information from the County Court website.
http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.asp ... 2009#court (http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.aspx?noticesDate=9/4/2009#court)
Whilst I do agree that DNA evidences are indeed very strong evidences, the leap of faith here is about assuming that the source of the samples was not tampered with. (How did Suzanne Stratford of Fox 8 News procure a sample from Jesse? - I did not work this one out)
2.Directing the press to current http://www.Elvisandmj.com (http://www.Elvisandmj.com)
The content of the site may be quite difficult to understand for the non-initiate and much would need to go into the briefing to help understanding and avoid confusion and possible ridicule. (NB. I talk about the press from experience)
With L.O.V.E and to move us further forward
About Eliza's court case and evidence that could be tampered with, I recommend a blog from this lawyer who saw the actual documents. He was skeptical in the beginning, but believes Eliza is telling the truth and makes some very good points as to why: http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html)
As far as I'm concerned Fox received that sample through dr. Hinton, who was Jesse's doctor for 6 years. Hinten has been ridiculed, trashed and even accused, I guess that is where Jesse gave him the DNA, to help him out.
As for the difficulty of the post.... Most media is not that smart or too lazy to read, so I agree that could be a problem. Yet I am afraid ridicule is inevitable.
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@naysayers @doubters @those losing FAITH,
If you feel this message applys to "you" then, it does, lol
Why I strongly believe in TS and why I strongly believe this is IMPORTANT and why I believe this is part of getting Michael's message going in the direction it needs to and Why I believe this is all part of a GRAND design and plan more complex than our minds can comprehend. This is a Grand plan from somewhere up in the HEAVENS.
Sometimes it is easier to interpret what the passage/scripture means if I use the Amplified version because it writes it in layman terms, or bible for dummy words, lol
Daniel 10:21 (Amplified Bible)
21 But I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth or the Book of Truth. There is no one who holds with me and strengthens himself against these [hostile spirit forces] except Michael, your prince [national guardian angel].
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael {http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
6-5 “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse”
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010--jumpless-pointer)}
This webpage did not have an anchor at the right part of the page for a normal jump, so a “jumpless-pointer” was included in the URL. Of course there are many things on the page of interest; but the most significant was that Linda had talked with Jesse one day prior to May 13, 2010—which means that Elvis is still alive now. And we know that Linda is not a fake, because Eliza has a link to her page (see 6-7, below); and also because Linda was involved with Dr. Hinton, the one who was cleared of fraud charges {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1}.
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6-6 TIAI Update on 5-12, and the First Syllable of EL-VIS
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889}
As mentioned already, TMZ started their LMP series on 5-12 (see 6-3, above). On May 13, Linda said “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse yesterday” (see 6-5, above); this means that it would’ve been on 5-12, which again was the day of Update 5 being posted (and Update 5 had 12 sections). Notice also that the first syllable of EL-VIS is EL; E = 5 (fifth letter), and L = 12 (twelfth letter): 5-12 once again! Also, 5 + 1 + 2 = 8, which is the primary number in Elvis numerology (see 6-8, below).
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6-7 Eliza Presley’s Website, With Link to Linda’s Website
{http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6}
This redirect was both for the purpose of showing Eliza’s website, and also for showing that Eliza links to Linda’s website (mentioned in 6-5, above). And notice the timing of the following entries, in relation to the TIAI Elvis redirect on 5-10-2010; as well as the TIAI Update #5a to #5d on 5-12 to 5-19 {http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php; http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12 (http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12)}.
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6-8 Elvis & MJ Numerology
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33}
This redirect was on the 8th day of the month, because 8 is the primary number in the Elvis “death” numerology. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999 (see below). Elvis was also born on the 8th day of the month (1-8-1935). And Elvis/Jesse has confirmed that this numerology and exact “death” date was planned, and done intentionally {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15}.
Since MJ learned from Elvis: this proves that the MJ numerology was also planned, and is not some astronomical coincidence. Since it was planned, then this shows once again that the numerology does indeed explain some of the reasons for the MJ death hoax. Below is a brief overview of some of the MJ numerology. {For more details, see: viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064; (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064;) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124; (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124;) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726; (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726;) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994)}.
MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” {also on the History album cover, etc; http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-cont ... ontal2.jpg (http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg)}.
MJ had 1998 on the cover of the Dangerous album, and also signed this number on many autographs. 1998 / 2 = 999; 1 + 998 = 999, 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; etc. Also, “THIS IS IT” has three vowels, III = 999 (9th letter of the alphabet).
The “death” was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: you must use inclusive reckoning; see 4-10 in Update #4b, viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)}. The burial was on a full moon (to the naked eye), and one day before the official full moon.
The memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will; again, three sevens (777). The memorial was also on a full moon (the official full moon, in this case).
And there are three sevens (777) in the timing of the 911 call (12:21) and the “death” (2:26). Also, the 911 call was placed at 12:21, because this number is divisible by 111—along with almost all of the MJ hoax numbers; in fact, “THIS IS IT” is 111 minutes long. Finally, the 12:21 call relates to the date 12-21-2012.
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6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/}
Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprac ... rd_Strauss (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss))}.
Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k;) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685)}
This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.
If there are still some who say that they don’t believe in the numbers: don’t let them off the hook that easily; be nice, but be firm! Ask why they don’t believe in the numbers; and ask them to calculate the odds that these numbers were all coincidence. If they are not mathematical, then find a math teacher! If they really want to know the truth, and they are truly investigating, then this is the way to find out the truth. But if they don’t want to bother with any of this, then it would show that the real problem is not in the numbers; the real problem is that they don’t want the truth.However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
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6-11 Some Elvis Fans Have “Kept the Faith” for More than 30 Years!
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10757&start=50#p179522}
Quoting from that redirect: “It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the doubts creep in as soon as something ‘new’ happens. ... When the doubts do creep in, read over the hoax summary threads and especially TS’s posts. But most importantly, keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive.”
It reminds me of this passage, from James: “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:6-8).
Many Elvis fans have kept the faith for more than 30 years—with less clues than we have about MJ; it puts some of us MJ hoax fans to shame! With all the evidence we have now, especially with Elvis being alive: there is no need to waver anymore over whether MJ is alive—he has already gone back and forth from alive to dead, and back to alive again, hundreds of times! Has anybody else ever died that many times???
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Copied and pasted here every reason WHY we need to get this out there.
Rock Solid evidence.
Seek and ye shall find truth.
Peace
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Daniel 10:21 (Amplified Bible)
21 But I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth or the Book of Truth. There is no one who holds with me and strengthens himself against these [hostile spirit forces] except Michael, your prince [national guardian angel].
This always gives me chills. It makes me look at "King of pop" differently. POP = Prince of peace. Not to mention Michael's children are named "Prince".
No way that could all be coincidence. If people believe the Bible, then why can't they also believe that the types of things that happened in the bible could still happen today... :)
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It's really surprising to see the lack of support for this initiative. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but when I joined the Army of L.O.V.E., I did so unconditionally. By that I mean that I may not always understand and/or agree with a certain 'mission' or strategy, but I will do my best to support it regardless. Why? Because a soldier in any army does not join and then have conditions of their own and/or refuse to 'follow orders' based on what they want to do...instead, they place their faith in their leaders, faith that trusts that those leading them are doing so in good faith and for good reason.
People are still questioning TS and they only reason I can come up with as to why they would be unsure about TS is because they have either not bothered to read his/her posts (all of them, not just a paragraph here and there), or they simply have not understood the posts by TS. Perhaps I'm wrong, and those who are still unsure about TS have actually read every one of his/her posts and still think he/she is a 'fake' and/or 'needs mental help'. If that's the case, then I ask that those individuals PLEASE debunk anything TS has posted, including all the Elvis information. TS, himself/herself, has repeatedly invited anyone to debunk the posts...but, by my count, NO ONE has been able to do so as of yet.
To those that are 'on the fence' as to whether or not going to the media is a good idea...it's natural for us to worry about it being a good move and whether or not it is what MJ would want his Army to do. After all, MJ is not directly speaking to us to tell us what to do....so we can only go with what we think is the next step. But I don't think that Souza's idea about going to the media just came out of the blue. If you have read all of TS's posts (as I'm sure Souza has), then it should be extremly clear by now that TS has direct, inside info about the hoax. Where would he be getting all this detailed information from other than from MJ himself or from someone VERY close to MJ? Furthermore, if you've been following TS, it should also be clear that he/she has been directing, helping, and leading us along the way, both through posts and through redirects. Again, if you believe that TS has inside info and stop to think of who his/her source might be, then you should believe that MJ or someone VERY close to MJ wants us to include the Elvis info along with the MJ hoax info. TS has repeatedly redirected us to topics about ElvisandMJdotcom, to Eliza's website, to Eliza's posts on this forum, to the fact that TMZ is the only 'news' source that has a link to this site, etc, etc, etc. What more evidence do we need in order to feel sure that this is the right thing to do?
Of course, it won't be easy...nothing worth fighting for is ever easy. Hence, the need for an ARMY of L.O.V.E. ... we are that 'Army,' and we should be in that army unconditionally. No one said it was going to be easy and we all know just how difficult it has been over the past year. You try to talk to people about all this and they think you're off your rocker...then you hesitantly mention that Elvis might be alive and then they really think you're nuts! Trust me, I know. But that doesn't mean I give up trying to spread the message. And by TS's logic (if I understand it correctly), the only way people will begin to even take interest in the message is if there is proof that MJ could've hoaxed his death. One need only read about what is happening in the Elvis/Eliza case to understand just how likely it is that MJ faked his death as well. Sure, some people will think it's too far-fetched but others won't. Either way, what do we have to lose by trying? Nothing. What do we risk if we do nothing? Well, one possibility is that MJ's BAM will be further delayed...and I know that none of us want that.
To sum up what I have written, I am a Soldier in MJ's Army of L.O.V.E. and I place NO conditions on my love and/or support of MJ or his message...even when I am fearful of the 'mission' or confused about the strategy. It is my hope that ALL members of the Army of L.O.V.E. rethink their motives for joining the Army and decide to fully support the Army's efforts.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Does such disclosure on the Hoax will be good for Mike?? I fear the media unfairly criticize and judge the act of Michael. I also think we can be ridiculed and lose credibility.
I do not know if I believe in TS ... anyway if it goes wrong, do you think that can harm the return of Michael? :?:
No, I think sitting back and doing nothing can harm his return. And what credibility do we have? We seriously have nothing to loose, they already think we are insane. Of course they will ridicule us, they might even write bad stuff about Mike as well, but like he said himself: He has rhinosaurus skin. I think he expected the media trashing, he knows them and he is used to it. That is why we need to try and get them on their own game. Many won't even burn their fingers on it, because they would have to admit they were wrong. Yet some may run with it and can help us get it out there. There is also still good media. Not much but there is and I am sure they would like to prove their crappy colleagues wrong.
besides that, we are not exposing MJ, the MJ hoax is still just a 'theory' and those who wanted to get at him before June 25 are already browsing this forum, believe me.
:) Ok Souza, I believe in you. I agree with the disclosure. It may even be a big step for the course of Hoax, right? After all, Michael will have our full support. C'mon everybody!
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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
I just love what it says above ABC News.
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It's really surprising to see the lack of support for this initiative. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but when I joined the Army of L.O.V.E., I did so unconditionally. By that I mean that I may not always understand and/or agree with a certain 'mission' or strategy, but I will do my best to support it regardless. Why? Because a soldier in any army does not join and then have conditions of their own and/or refuse to 'follow orders' based on what they want to do...instead, they place their faith in their leaders, faith that trusts that those leading them are doing so in good faith and for good reason.
People are still questioning TS and they only reason I can come up with as to why they would be unsure about TS is because they have either not bothered to read his/her posts (all of them, not just a paragraph here and there), or they simply have not understood the posts by TS. Perhaps I'm wrong, and those who are still unsure about TS have actually read every one of his/her posts and still think he/she is a 'fake' and/or 'needs mental help'. If that's the case, then I ask that those individuals PLEASE debunk anything TS has posted, including all the Elvis information. TS, himself/herself, has repeatedly invited anyone to debunk the posts...but, by my count, NO ONE has been able to do so as of yet.
To those that are 'on the fence' as to whether or not going to the media is a good idea...it's natural for us to worry about it being a good move and whether or not it is what MJ would want his Army to do. After all, MJ is not directly speaking to us to tell us what to do....so we can only go with what we think is the next step. But I don't think that Souza's idea about going to the media just came out of the blue. If you have read all of TS's posts (as I'm sure Souza has), then it should be extremly clear by now that TS has direct, inside info about the hoax. Where would he be getting all this detailed information from other than from MJ himself or from someone VERY close to MJ? Furthermore, if you've been following TS, it should also be clear that he/she has been directing, helping, and leading us along the way, both through posts and through redirects. Again, if you believe that TS has inside info and stop to think of who his/her source might be, then you should believe that MJ or someone VERY close to MJ wants us to include the Elvis info along with the MJ hoax info. TS has repeatedly redirected us to topics about ElvisandMJdotcom, to Eliza's website, to Eliza's posts on this forum, to the fact that TMZ is the only 'news' source that has a link to this site, etc, etc, etc. What more evidence do we need in order to feel sure that this is the right thing to do?
Of course, it won't be easy...nothing worth fighting for is ever easy. Hence, the need for an ARMY of L.O.V.E. ... we are that 'Army,' and we should be in that army unconditionally. No one said it was going to be easy and we all know just how difficult it has been over the past year. You try to talk to people about all this and they think you're off your rocker...then you hesitantly mention that Elvis might be alive and then they really think you're nuts! Trust me, I know. But that doesn't mean I give up trying to spread the message. And by TS's logic (if I understand it correctly), the only way people will begin to even take interest in the message is if there is proof that MJ could've hoaxed his death. One need only read about what is happening in the Elvis/Eliza case to understand just how likely it is that MJ faked his death as well. Sure, some people will think it's too far-fetched but others won't. Either way, what do we have to lose by trying? Nothing. What do we risk if we do nothing? Well, one possibility is that MJ's BAM will be further delayed...and I know that none of us want that.
To sum up what I have written, I am a Soldier in MJ's Army of L.O.V.E. and I place NO conditions on my love and/or support of MJ or his message...even when I am fearful of the 'mission' or confused about the strategy. It is my hope that ALL members of the Army of L.O.V.E. rethink their motives for joining the Army and decide to fully support the Army's efforts.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your stance with such emotion. I could feel how much you meant your words. I, too, joined the Army of LOVE unconditionally and will fight til the end.
And you are so right about TS. I feel many people haven't really digested TS' posts for whatever reason, and therefore are missing what this is all about. It's very hard to have a fair argument when both parties aren't aware of the same material. If someone hasn't read and fully understood the posts by TS, then it's impossible to have a fair conversation about it. And yes, if anyone wants to try and discredit TS and prove that it's "bs" then I invite them to PLEASE enlighten us. By all means, if TS is not legit I would want to know. But if one cannot prove this, then I would highly suggest having an open mind and start reading...
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michael and elvis faked their deaths for totally different reasons so why dont we just let michael do his own thing and let elvis do his. i believe that michael wanted to ride this out solo not with a partner. if he wanted elvis involved dont you guys think that with all the slip ups jermaine has given that he would have said something and tmz would associate the two of them together on a regular basis. i just get a very uncomfortable feeling about this like someone has another motive for wanting the two cases combined and put in the media because elvis case is still in the courts and has not been proven that he is alive.
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michael and elvis faked their deaths for totally different reasons so why dont we just let michael do his own thing and let elvis do his. i believe that michael wanted to ride this out solo not with a partner. if he wanted elvis involved dont you guys think that with all the slip ups jermaine has given that he would have said something and tmz would associate the two of them together on a regular basis. i just get a very uncomfortable feeling about this like someone has another motive for wanting the two cases combined and put in the media because elvis case is still in the courts and has not been proven that he is alive.
Are you aware of all the similarities in their 'deaths'? What do you believe are the reasons for this hoax?
If Michael wanted to "ride this out solo" he 1) wouldn't have given clues to all of US, 2) wouldn't have modeled EVERYTHING after Elvis in such obvious ways ("This Is It" and "This Is Elvis", the karate-like "Elvis" move he did at the 02 announcement, his shirt that was clearly designed after Elvis' shirt that he wore at his last show, the numerology, the clues we've received from Lisa Marie, etc...) and 3) he wouldn't have given us all of this information directly (posts by TS...again if you can debunk them then by all means please do).
It seems as if some people simply will not believe or participate in anything that is not spelled out. That is the beauty of having faith in something, it doesn't have to be spelled out. And in my humble opinion, I feel that things have been very close to being spelled out for us... the trouble is that people aren't allowing their minds to be opened up long enough to comprehend the information they've been given. Michael cannot show himself now and say "hey guys, do this!"...because that would ruin the point of the entire thing. TS has proven to be legit and I think that is more than enough to run with...
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michael and elvis faked their deaths for totally different reasons so why dont we just let michael do his own thing and let elvis do his. i believe that michael wanted to ride this out solo not with a partner. if he wanted elvis involved dont you guys think that with all the slip ups jermaine has given that he would have said something and tmz would associate the two of them together on a regular basis. i just get a very uncomfortable feeling about this like someone has another motive for wanting the two cases combined and put in the media because elvis case is still in the courts and has not been proven that he is alive.
Are you aware of all the similarities in their 'deaths'? What do you believe are the reasons for this hoax?
If Michael wanted to "ride this out solo" he 1) wouldn't have given clues to all of US, 2) wouldn't have modeled EVERYTHING after Elvis in such obvious ways ("This Is It" and "This Is Elvis", the karate-like "Elvis" move he did at the 02 announcement, his shirt that was clearly designed after Elvis' shirt that he wore at his last show, the numerology, the clues we've received from Lisa Marie, etc...) and 3) he wouldn't have given us all of this information directly (posts by TS...again if you can debunk them then by all means please do).
It seems as if some people simply will not believe or participate in anything that is not spelled out. That is the beauty of having faith in something, it doesn't have to be spelled out. And in my humble opinion, I feel that things have been very close to being spelled out for us... the trouble is that people aren't allowing their minds to be opened up long enough to comprehend the information they've been given. Michael cannot show himself now and say "hey guys, do this!"...because that would ruin the point of the entire thing. TS has proven to be legit and I think that is more than enough to run with...
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've written jacilovesmichael. It's time to exercise FAITH and not expect everything to be spelled out or to make absolute sense. Certain things in life are discerned only by opening our hearts and allowing our inner intuition to grasp the message and understand the lessons it contains. To expect proof for everything takes away the magic of exploration and discovery. I love how the hoax has had so many twists and turns ... it's kept us on our toes and stopped us becoming lazy mentally. Thanks again jacilovesmichael for reminding me often it is the journey that is more important than the actual destination.
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michael and elvis faked their deaths for totally different reasons so why dont we just let michael do his own thing and let elvis do his. i believe that michael wanted to ride this out solo not with a partner. if he wanted elvis involved dont you guys think that with all the slip ups jermaine has given that he would have said something and tmz would associate the two of them together on a regular basis. i just get a very uncomfortable feeling about this like someone has another motive for wanting the two cases combined and put in the media because elvis case is still in the courts and has not been proven that he is alive.
Are you aware of all the similarities in their 'deaths'? What do you believe are the reasons for this hoax?
If Michael wanted to "ride this out solo" he 1) wouldn't have given clues to all of US, 2) wouldn't have modeled EVERYTHING after Elvis in such obvious ways ("This Is It" and "This Is Elvis", the karate-like "Elvis" move he did at the 02 announcement, his shirt that was clearly designed after Elvis' shirt that he wore at his last show, the numerology, the clues we've received from Lisa Marie, etc...) and 3) he wouldn't have given us all of this information directly (posts by TS...again if you can debunk them then by all means please do).
It seems as if some people simply will not believe or participate in anything that is not spelled out. That is the beauty of having faith in something, it doesn't have to be spelled out. And in my humble opinion, I feel that things have been very close to being spelled out for us... the trouble is that people aren't allowing their minds to be opened up long enough to comprehend the information they've been given. Michael cannot show himself now and say "hey guys, do this!"...because that would ruin the point of the entire thing. TS has proven to be legit and I think that is more than enough to run with...
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've written jacilovesmichael. It's time to exercise FAITH and not expect everything to be spelled out or to make absolute sense. Certain things in life are discerned only by opening our hearts and allowing our inner intuition to grasp the message and understand the lessons it contains. To expect proof for everything takes away the magic of exploration and discovery. I love how the hoax has had so many twists and turns ... it's kept us on our toes and stopped us becoming lazy mentally. Thanks again jacilovesmichael for reminding me often it is the journey that is important than the actual destination.
Thank you for having faith and being on this journey with me:) Much love to you.
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Yes, I support the idea, has always seemed strange that the Jackson family never says anything about these forums and the way TMZ published the news about Michael. We are on the internet and many people read what is published here, gosh we're not hidden or subversive people are making a secret plan and whether the media also want to read it, I hope you are doing. TS sick in the head? I wish I had this mental illness that has TS.
Who wants to fight today against lying and ignorance and write the truth you will have to overcome at least these difficulties. You will need to have the courage to write the truth but you are intelligent enough to discover it; it obscure everywhere; the art of making manageable as a weapon; essential for disseminating it discernment.
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It's really surprising to see the lack of support for this initiative. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but when I joined the Army of L.O.V.E., I did so unconditionally. By that I mean that I may not always understand and/or agree with a certain 'mission' or strategy, but I will do my best to support it regardless. Why? Because a soldier in any army does not join and then have conditions of their own and/or refuse to 'follow orders' based on what they want to do...instead, they place their faith in their leaders, faith that trusts that those leading them are doing so in good faith and for good reason.
People are still questioning TS and they only reason I can come up with as to why they would be unsure about TS is because they have either not bothered to read his/her posts (all of them, not just a paragraph here and there), or they simply have not understood the posts by TS. Perhaps I'm wrong, and those who are still unsure about TS have actually read every one of his/her posts and still think he/she is a 'fake' and/or 'needs mental help'. If that's the case, then I ask that those individuals PLEASE debunk anything TS has posted, including all the Elvis information. TS, himself/herself, has repeatedly invited anyone to debunk the posts...but, by my count, NO ONE has been able to do so as of yet.
To those that are 'on the fence' as to whether or not going to the media is a good idea...it's natural for us to worry about it being a good move and whether or not it is what MJ would want his Army to do. After all, MJ is not directly speaking to us to tell us what to do....so we can only go with what we think is the next step. But I don't think that Souza's idea about going to the media just came out of the blue. If you have read all of TS's posts (as I'm sure Souza has), then it should be extremly clear by now that TS has direct, inside info about the hoax. Where would he be getting all this detailed information from other than from MJ himself or from someone VERY close to MJ? Furthermore, if you've been following TS, it should also be clear that he/she has been directing, helping, and leading us along the way, both through posts and through redirects. Again, if you believe that TS has inside info and stop to think of who his/her source might be, then you should believe that MJ or someone VERY close to MJ wants us to include the Elvis info along with the MJ hoax info. TS has repeatedly redirected us to topics about ElvisandMJdotcom, to Eliza's website, to Eliza's posts on this forum, to the fact that TMZ is the only 'news' source that has a link to this site, etc, etc, etc. What more evidence do we need in order to feel sure that this is the right thing to do?
Of course, it won't be easy...nothing worth fighting for is ever easy. Hence, the need for an ARMY of L.O.V.E. ... we are that 'Army,' and we should be in that army unconditionally. No one said it was going to be easy and we all know just how difficult it has been over the past year. You try to talk to people about all this and they think you're off your rocker...then you hesitantly mention that Elvis might be alive and then they really think you're nuts! Trust me, I know. But that doesn't mean I give up trying to spread the message. And by TS's logic (if I understand it correctly), the only way people will begin to even take interest in the message is if there is proof that MJ could've hoaxed his death. One need only read about what is happening in the Elvis/Eliza case to understand just how likely it is that MJ faked his death as well. Sure, some people will think it's too far-fetched but others won't. Either way, what do we have to lose by trying? Nothing. What do we risk if we do nothing? Well, one possibility is that MJ's BAM will be further delayed...and I know that none of us want that.
To sum up what I have written, I am a Soldier in MJ's Army of L.O.V.E. and I place NO conditions on my love and/or support of MJ or his message...even when I am fearful of the 'mission' or confused about the strategy. It is my hope that ALL members of the Army of L.O.V.E. rethink their motives for joining the Army and decide to fully support the Army's efforts.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Well said my friend! I totally agree with what you have said, as well as what Souza has said. I believe that it is up to us, the Army of Love, to do everything in our power to get all of this information out to the media and to anyone else who will listen. We are in the "reveal" phase of this hoax and we are Michael's voice right now, it is up to US, if not us then who? If people have read TS' posts then they would see that he has been more or less guiding us this whole time! If you have really taken the time to examine everything TS has told us, then you would see how this whole hoax is unfolding...so to speak. We definitely need to put more effort into making the media and public aware if this hoax is going to be successful.
As I have stated before, until more people become aware of why we are here on this hoax site in the first place, there will be no BAM! I honestly believe there was never a bam date to begin with. Until Michael sees that he has enough support backing him, why should he return? This hoax has been meticulously planned out and we all have a major role in this hoax as members of Mj's Army of Love. Michael is counting on us to see through all the "smoke and mirrors",the "clues" etc. he wants us to think for ourselves and not get caught up in trying to find out where Michael is, or when he is coming back. We have a lot of work to do and I for one will be here doing everything in my power to help out my friend Michael! I spend hours everyday, going to sites and leaving messages with re-directs to this site. I take this "job" very seriously, because I believe with every ounce of my being that life as we know it, is about to change in a big way! Michael didn't "hoax" his death just for "shits and giggles".He truly is trying to get us to all open our eyes to what is happening to our world and he wants us to help him spread his "message".
Ok, I will leave it at that for now as I must go to bed now, but I will be back in the morning to continue on this mission with my loving MJ family. I am really thankful to see all of you who really understand why we are here and what it is that we have to do. We have to do whatever it takes and I will be here till the end. God Bless you all my friends...I am thankful to be a part of this wonderful loving family. I love you all! See you tomorrow, good night!
Dayna
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We need to start somewhere and I think we should start by mailing the media about ElvisAndMJ.com. If we collect the e-mail addresses of various media outlets here I think all of us should mail them about the site.
There are some excellent writers here and I want to ask you if some of you could make a draft e-mail, so everyone can mail the same info/evidence to the media. This should include of course the website url, videos about the DNA evidence, links to articles and blogs about Eliza's case and good arguments as to why it's obvious that both men are still alive and kicking.
If we mail enough media outlets (worldwide) we might get some of them to report about it. And as we have seen with the Sun article, it can snowball from there.
TV/radio stations and newspapers:
BNN radio: kijkditnou@tmf.nl (http://mailto:kijkditnou@tmf.nl)
SBS Shownieuws: jaap.paulsen@rtl.nl (http://mailto:jaap.paulsen@rtl.nl)
De Telegraaf: redactie@volkskrant.nl (http://mailto:redactie@volkskrant.nl)
Algemeen Dagblad: redactie.elsevier@elsevier.nl (http://mailto:redactie.elsevier@elsevier.nl)
Nu.nl: info@spits.nl (http://mailto:info@spits.nl)
People worth tweeting are:
http://twitter.com/petervdvorst (http://twitter.com/petervdvorst)
http://twitter.com/gerardekdom (http://twitter.com/gerardekdom)
http://twitter.com/giel3fm (http://twitter.com/giel3fm)
http://twitter.com/EversStaatOp538 (http://twitter.com/EversStaatOp538)
http://twitter.com/ruuddewild (http://twitter.com/ruuddewild)
What is th epurpose of this. I am not on the track, i missed. What is it that we are doing & for
what?
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I searched LA Times. Their email address format is Russ.Stanton@latimes.com (http://mailto:Russ.Stanton@latimes.com). Here is more: ARTS AND ENTERTAINMENT
Assistant Managing Editor: Sallie Hofmeister- Craig.Turne@latimes.com (http://mailto:Craig.Turne@latimes.com).
Basically the similar email format is used at the all organizations/companies; easy to figure out.
New Yourk Times- PUBLISHER OR PRESIDENT Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Chairman & Publisher:
news-tips@nytimes.com (http://mailto:news-tips@nytimes.com); Arts & Culture: You are not allowed to view links.
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This is a great idea.. but I don't think people are going to understand us. I mean I have tried to explain the whole situation to my friends, but they didn't get it! For that you should have been from the start.
p.s: Souza en Mo, Ik had een vraag. Waar kan ik jullie eerste blog vinden? heel lang geleden. Toen jullie nog over the tweeling-theorie schreven. Toen jullie meenden dat jullie de stem van Michael in de film ''Where the wild thing are'' hoorden. Dat waren de infromatie dat mij als een ''Non-fan'' toch in de hoax liet geloven!
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This is a great idea.. but I don't think people are going to understand us. I mean I have tried to explain the whole situation to my friends, but they didn't get it! For that you should have been from the start.
p.s: Souza en Mo, Ik had een vraag. Waar kan ik jullie eerste blog vinden? heel lang geleden. Toen jullie nog over the tweeling-theorie schreven. Toen jullie meenden dat jullie de stem van Michael in de film ''Where the wild thing are'' hoorden. Dat waren de infromatie dat mij als een ''Non-fan'' toch in de hoax liet geloven!
Alle blogs zijn overgezet op deze nieuwe, dus je kun alles hier terugvinden: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blogindex.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blogindex.php)
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This is a great idea.. but I don't think people are going to understand us. I mean I have tried to explain the whole situation to my friends, but they didn't get it! For that you should have been from the start.
p.s: Souza en Mo, Ik had een vraag. Waar kan ik jullie eerste blog vinden? heel lang geleden. Toen jullie nog over the tweeling-theorie schreven. Toen jullie meenden dat jullie de stem van Michael in de film ''Where the wild thing are'' hoorden. Dat waren de infromatie dat mij als een ''Non-fan'' toch in de hoax liet geloven!
Alle blogs zijn overgezet op deze nieuwe, dus je kun alles hier terugvinden: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blogindex.php (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blogindex.php)
Thank you Souza..
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Well, yesterday I was one of those who could not support #elvisandmjdotcom. After reading today all the pros and cons once again, I'm the other opinion.
I notice in my personal environment, how difficult it is to sensitize people to the Hoax. I fail all the time... How can I convince someone under these conditions of Michael's message?!?
I realize that we have reached a point from which we need to act when we really want to mobilize many more people for our real mission.
Many thanks to Mo and Souza, who made clear once again what #elvisandmjdotcom is all about. I finally understood!
And, yes, we can get the attention of the people only when we start to talk about Elvis and all the parallel to Michael's Hoax. And, yes, I think by now that Michael trusted us to find the best possible solution to the mobilization of the masses. And the media are now even the biggest "megaphone", we can use to cry out what we have to say! We must not forget that Michael also knew to use the media very clever for his purposes (despite all the difficulties with them).
I can only ask all doubters to think about #elvisandmjdotcom a second time. Most of us are here as Soldiers of the Army of L.O.V.E. We share the common task, to change the world. Let's try it!
We have nothing to lose, but new believer to win!
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Well, yesterday I was one of those who could not support #elvisandmjdotcom. After reading today all the pros and cons once again, I'm the other opinion.
I notice in my personal environment, how difficult it is to sensitize people to the Hoax. I fail all the time... How can I convince someone under these conditions of Michael's message?!?
I realize that we have reached a point from which we need to act when we really want to mobilize many more people for our real mission.
Many thanks to Mo and Souza, who made clear once again what #elvisandmjdotcom is all about. I finally understood!
And, yes, we can get the attention of the people only when we start to talk about Elvis and all the parallel to Michael's Hoax. And, yes, I think by now that Michael trusted us to find the best possible solution to the mobilization of the masses. And the media are now even the biggest "megaphone", we can use to cry out what we have to say! We must not forget that Michael also knew to use the media very clever for his purposes (despite all the difficulties with them).
I can only ask all doubters to think about #elvisandmjdotcom a second time. Most of us are here as Soldiers of the Army of L.O.V.E. We share the common task, to change the world. Let's try it!
We have nothing to lose, but new believer to win!
Yay! Thank you SO much for keeping an open mind. Your support and efforts truly will make a difference. Much love to you!
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This is just a draft email I wrote it just like that I'm sure I've missed things but we need to start with something :lol: . Feel free to add, remove or change. :D
Good Morning Madam/Sir X
You maybe heard about it but I don't see any mention of the recent amazing story about Elvis Presley on your site/newspaper. I find it surprising so I decided to send you an email on this regard.
A woman named Eliza Presley claims to be Elvis Presley half-sibling. Nothing amazing you must think but the important thing in this story is that she has provided DNA samples confirming her claims. The DNA has been analyzed by various laboratories, one of them is the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada and the results were conclusive. It has also been tested by an independant laboratory and the Lab owner himself, Dr. Donald Yates, testified publicly that Elvis has to be alive. Indeed the DNA sample is recent.
DNA is a strong and undeniable evidence that's why Eliza Presley submitted her case in open court. The Fox 13 News channel reported about it, see this video please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I&feature=related). Her attorney is self-confident in the outcome of Eliza's case which will be brought back in court probably this summer to finalize it.
DNA doesn't lie. The proof is there. Nevertheless there are still important questions unanswered. How will people react ? Will they believe in the scientific proof ? Or will an exhumation of Vernon Presley's body be needed ? Lisa Marie Presley will surely have a role to play in this story because she can avoid an exhumation by giving a DNA sample.
I really would like to know your thoughts on this story and ask you why you have not mentionned it while there is undeniable DNA evidence to prove that Elvis Presley can really be alive ?
If you are interested to know more I advise you this site which summarizes well the timeline of the story and gives more details: http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... alive.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/02/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-is-elvis-alive.html)
Another interesting perspective I want to tell you about lies in this site http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com) where similarities between Michael Jackson's "death" and Elvis' one have been pointed out. It is really worth the read, the evidences gathered here speak for themselves.
Thank you for you time. I really hope you will inform your readers about this amazing story. They deserve to know the truth.
Best regards.
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Very good Sarahli, I just have one question, is there a reason you didn't put ElvisandMJ.com as a link in this draft letter?
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Does such disclosure on the Hoax will be good for Mike?? I fear the media unfairly criticize and judge the act of Michael. I also think we can be ridiculed and lose credibility.
I do not know if I believe in TS ... anyway if it goes wrong, do you think that can harm the return of Michael? :?:
No, I think sitting back and doing nothing can harm his return. And what credibility do we have? We seriously have nothing to loose, they already think we are insane. Of course they will ridicule us, they might even write bad stuff about Mike as well, but like he said himself: He has rhinosaurus skin. I think he expected the media trashing, he knows them and he is used to it. That is why we need to try and get them on their own game. Many won't even burn their fingers on it, because they would have to admit they were wrong. Yet some may run with it and can help us get it out there. There is also still good media. Not much but there is and I am sure they would like to prove their crappy colleagues wrong.
besides that, we are not exposing MJ, the MJ hoax is still just a 'theory' and those who wanted to get at him before June 25 are already browsing this forum, believe me.
thx Souza for your opinion...I agree.. and I'm really in.. :mrgreen:
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
This is something that affects everyone and most important, Michael, I know there're a LOT of people who don't support this but you really should give your opinion here, you are part of the forum also.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems you only speak up when you agree with the rest & you avoid to voice your opinion here (even if it is about defending michael) because admins/mods support it. So what? They're not going to eat or ban you because you have your say (as long as it is a civilized conversation). i don't know why so many fears :?
And for the people who think I'm wrong because you support elvisandmj.com, please don't take your time to reply to this, I already know what are your points of view, so to get in an argument is not what I'm looking for..
Ok this was all, peace
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Very good Sarahli, I just have one question, is there a reason you didn't put ElvisandMJ.com as a link in this draft letter?
Indeed I've forgotten ;) . I really wrote it in a hurry. I've added the link now. Hope it's not too long tho. Waiting to read other critics 8-) .
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Hi Sarahli thanks for being the first to write a draft :) I've added some detail to it (see bottom) but it's 3am for me now & i'm too tired to continue. The part I left out are the parallels between Elvis and MJ and how MJ is also alive. Please feel free to add on to it or edit my draft, thanks :)
Good Morning Madam/Sir X
I am writing an e-mail to you with regards to the substantial surfacing evidence that strongly suggests that Elvis Presley is still alive. In addition, interesting parallels between Elvis and Michael Jackson also suggest that the King of Pop himself did not die on June 25, 2009. Before you begin to dismiss this e-mail entirely, I urge you to read further, and base your judgment on the strong scientific evidence that has already been provided in court to support the first claim.
A woman by the name of Eliza Presley (formerly Alice Elizabeth Tiffin) claims that Elvis is alive and has been going by the name ‘Jesse Presley’, and that she is Elvis’s half-sibling. She has also provided DNA samples confirming her claims. The DNA reports reveal that Jesse Presley is biologically related to Elvis’s cousins on both sides of the family, and because Elvis did not have any siblings (besides a stillborn twin brother), it would mean that Jesse Presley is Elvis himself. In addition, the DNA reports show that Eliza and Jesse are half-siblings. The DNA has been analyzed by various laboratories, one of them is the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada and the results were conclusive. It has also been tested by DNA Consultants, an independent laboratory in Scottsdale. The Lab owner himself, Dr. Donald Yates, testified publicly that Elvis has to be alive (please see the following article published in a Memphis Newspaper on Oct 11, 2008: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -not-dead/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/) ).
DNA is a strong and undeniable evidence, which is why Eliza Presley had submitted her case in open court. In fact, the Fox 8 and Fox 13 News channels in the United States have reported about it in 2008 (please see the following videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I) ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8) ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU) ) .Unfortunately, it appears that the mainstream media had not caught on this story, perhaps with the fear of courting controversy. Eliza’s attorney is confident in the outcome of Eliza's case, which will be brought back in court very soon (probably this summer) to be finalized. In addition to DNA evidence, there exist photographic, graphological (handwriting), and lie detecting evidence to support the claim that Elvis Presley is indeed alive, as Jesse (please do read more about it in detail in Part 6-1 at the following website: http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com) ).
Our website: http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com)
Eliza Presley’s official website: http://elizapresley.org/ (http://elizapresley.org/)
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Media looooves SENSATIONs. They should pay attention, though they will research before they do anything, I beleive. I think we need more stress on Michael since it is very recent "event" they will be more interested to look at it. But I am still not sure if this what Michael wants. :?:
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It is my belief that pro-actively going to the media with the right message is right and I would like to support this effort, my current dilemma is however twofold:
1. Some remaining doubts with the Eliza story
"Eliza Presley" biological mother (Florence Sharp Clark) denies having had a relationship with either Vernon or Elvis
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -of-elvis/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/07/mom-daughter-not-sister-of-elvis/)
The dates for the hearing in Shelby County Chancery Court may have been set but I have not managed to get any confirmation of this. I however found some reference to the date the case was filed in the Menphis daily news, I was unable to get any relevant information from the County Court website.
http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.asp ... 2009#court (http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.aspx?noticesDate=9/4/2009#court)
Whilst I do agree that DNA evidences are indeed very strong evidences, the leap of faith here is about assuming that the source of the samples was not tampered with. (How did Suzanne Stratford of Fox 8 News procure a sample from Jesse? - I did not work this one out)
2.Directing the press to current http://www.Elvisandmj.com (http://www.Elvisandmj.com)
The content of the site may be quite difficult to understand for the non-initiate and much would need to go into the briefing to help understanding and avoid confusion and possible ridicule. (NB. I talk about the press from experience)
With L.O.V.E and to move us further forward
About Eliza's court case and evidence that could be tampered with, I recommend a blog from this lawyer who saw the actual documents. He was skeptical in the beginning, but believes Eliza is telling the truth and makes some very good points as to why: http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html)
As far as I'm concerned Fox received that sample through dr. Hinton, who was Jesse's doctor for 6 years. Hinten has been ridiculed, trashed and even accused, I guess that is where Jesse gave him the DNA, to help him out.
As for the difficulty of the post.... Most media is not that smart or too lazy to read, so I agree that could be a problem. Yet I am afraid ridicule is inevitable.
@ Souza - Thank you for replying to my post - I had indeed read the probate lawyer blog and I am in total agreement with the author's (Andrew W. Mayoras) view that the story is very plausible but relies on trusting Eliza with the samples and therefore the only way forward to validate her claim is to get an official test of either LMP or Vernon DNA. My doubts are whether the so called "Summer hearing" will ever happen, having a court hearing date would make any communication with the media so much more realistic and powerful!
On this basis, I am happy to support the communication effort (covering UK Media) with information I believe appropriate to get positive coverage.
So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
This is something that affects everyone and most important, Michael, I know there're a LOT of people who don't support this but you really should give your opinion here, you are part of the forum also.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems you only speak up when you agree with the rest & you avoid to voice your opinion here (even if it is about defending michael) because admins/mods support it. So what? They're not going to eat or ban you because you have your say (as long as it is a civilized conversation). i don't know why so many fears :?
And for the people who think I'm wrong because you support elvisandmj.com, please don't take your time to reply to this, I already know what are your points of view, so to get in an argument is not what I'm looking for..
Ok this was all, peace
Hazzely - Thanks for your post, like you I have posted some concerns about this media awareness campaign, I think it needs to be thought true a bit more but the essence of it all is that if we "believe" that TS is the "messenger", his/her guidance are to communicate to the media. How much to communicate and whether to expand much outside of TMZ... Not sure!
I do agree that people should speak their mind, when done in a constructive way, it can only be helpful.
With L.O.V.E
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Well, yesterday I was one of those who could not support #elvisandmjdotcom. After reading today all the pros and cons once again, I'm the other opinion.
I notice in my personal environment, how difficult it is to sensitize people to the Hoax. I fail all the time... How can I convince someone under these conditions of Michael's message?!?
I realize that we have reached a point from which we need to act when we really want to mobilize many more people for our real mission.
Many thanks to Mo and Souza, who made clear once again what #elvisandmjdotcom is all about. I finally understood!
And, yes, we can get the attention of the people only when we start to talk about Elvis and all the parallel to Michael's Hoax. And, yes, I think by now that Michael trusted us to find the best possible solution to the mobilization of the masses. And the media are now even the biggest "megaphone", we can use to cry out what we have to say! We must not forget that Michael also knew to use the media very clever for his purposes (despite all the difficulties with them).
I can only ask all doubters to think about #elvisandmjdotcom a second time. Most of us are here as Soldiers of the Army of L.O.V.E. We share the common task, to change the world. Let's try it!
We have nothing to lose, but new believer to win!
Yay! Thank you SO much for keeping an open mind. Your support and efforts truly will make a difference. Much love to you!
I am in full agreement that taking this leap of faith is the right thing to do. There are two sayings that come to mind right now: "Any publicity is good publicity" and "The end justifies the means". The trick is to get it OUT THERE and let the media run with it, then sit back and watch it unfold. O.K. they may paint us as loonie tunes but we're expecting that anyway. The main thing is to get the message out there so that people can make up their own minds. It only takes a few seeds scattered in the soil to take root and spread. Keep the faith ... we're on the right track. Love & peace to all, Emerald xo
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
This is something that affects everyone and most important, Michael, I know there're a LOT of people who don't support this but you really should give your opinion here, you are part of the forum also.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems you only speak up when you agree with the rest & you avoid to voice your opinion here (even if it is about defending michael) because admins/mods support it. So what? They're not going to eat or ban you because you have your say (as long as it is a civilized conversation). i don't know why so many fears :?
And for the people who think I'm wrong because you support elvisandmj.com, please don't take your time to reply to this, I already know what are your points of view, so to get in an argument is not what I'm looking for..
Ok this was all, peace
Some of us have spoken against it. I guess the rest choose to focus on other things...
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JukeBox and Sarahli, Good for you ;)
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Well, yesterday I was one of those who could not support #elvisandmjdotcom. After reading today all the pros and cons once again, I'm the other opinion.
I notice in my personal environment, how difficult it is to sensitize people to the Hoax. I fail all the time... How can I convince someone under these conditions of Michael's message?!?
I realize that we have reached a point from which we need to act when we really want to mobilize many more people for our real mission.
Many thanks to Mo and Souza, who made clear once again what #elvisandmjdotcom is all about. I finally understood!
And, yes, we can get the attention of the people only when we start to talk about Elvis and all the parallel to Michael's Hoax. And, yes, I think by now that Michael trusted us to find the best possible solution to the mobilization of the masses. And the media are now even the biggest "megaphone", we can use to cry out what we have to say! We must not forget that Michael also knew to use the media very clever for his purposes (despite all the difficulties with them).
I can only ask all doubters to think about #elvisandmjdotcom a second time. Most of us are here as Soldiers of the Army of L.O.V.E. We share the common task, to change the world. Let's try it!
We have nothing to lose, but new believer to win!
Yay! Thank you SO much for keeping an open mind. Your support and efforts truly will make a difference. Much love to you!
I am in full agreement that taking this leap of faith is the right thing to do. There are two sayings that come to mind right now: "Any publicity is good publicity" and "The end justifies the means". The trick is to get it OUT THERE and let the media run with it, then sit back and watch it unfold. O.K. they may paint us as loonie tunes but we're expecting that anyway. The main thing is to get the message out there so that people can make up their own minds. It only takes a few seeds scattered in the soil to take root and spread. Keep the faith ... we're on the right track. Love & peace to all, Emerald xo
I agree with you three. The evidence speaks for itself. Why would Michael go to the effort of designing an elaborate parallel hoax if not to utilize it for his purpose? I believe it's just another instrument in his vast arsenal he's using to move his message in the right direction. Let's keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive and let the truth prevail!
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You will have to forgive me if I sound redundant here, but I do need help in understanding the correlation other than the similarites between Michael and Elvis's staging their death. The evidence and clues say they are alive. What I need to understand is..Elvis did not want to come back to public life. Michael's clues and the way he lived his life shows us that he has a greater purpose to coming back. But what is the END result of what we are stating here between Michael and Elvis. How will both of them affect what is happening on this earth.
I always say in trying to get to the key point, is to ask yourself, What do I expect the end result to be? If we alert the media that Elvis is alive and give reason and we do the same for Michael, we know what Michael's message and purpose is, what role does Elvis play? Those are questions that will be put to us when we take it to the street. How can we be prepared to answer?
With LOVE for LOVE.
Victoria
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You will have to forgive me if I sound redundant here, but I do need help in understanding the correlation other than the similarites between Michael and Elvis's staging their death. The evidence and clues say they are alive. What I need to understand is..Elvis did not want to come back to public life. Michael's clues and the way he lived his life shows us that he has a greater purpose to coming back. But what is the END result of what we are stating here between Michael and Elvis. How will both of them affect what is happening on this earth.
I always say in trying to get to the key point, is to ask yourself, What do I expect the end result to be? If we alert the media that Elvis is alive and give reason and we do the same for Michael, we know what Michael's message and purpose is, what role does Elvis play? Those are questions that will be put to us when we take it to the street. How can we be prepared to answer?
With LOVE for LOVE.
Victoria
Elvis' role is simple - when the world finds out he faked his death over 30 years ago and is really still alive, they will have an easier time believing and accepting that Michael Jackson did too. That is the main thing. Elvis is now an old man. This doesn't mean he will be in the public eye again necessarily. In my opinion, it makes sense that Elvis would agree to help in this way since his life is nearing an end and he already accomplished what he set out to do - live a simple, humble life as "Jesse". So he has nothing to lose here.
Also, don't expect anything. Don't think about the end result. The most important thing is the journey we are on right now. Even if we don't wake up and save the entire world, the difference Michael's hoax has made in so many people's lives is already measurable and strong. I have never felt more in tune with the universe - with love and with truth -as I do now because of what I have learned this past year. It is very profound.
So I encourage you to keep reading as much as you can, the posts by TS explain every detail. They are long posts - yes. But very well worth the time, I can attest to that. And there is no stupid question, everyone learns and absorbs information at different levels. We must just do all things with love and we cannot go wrong.
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Thank you Jacilovesmichael...Miraculous things have happened in my life on this journey so far, I just didn't see Elvis coming...LOL God Bless you..
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
This is something that affects everyone and most important, Michael, I know there're a LOT of people who don't support this but you really should give your opinion here, you are part of the forum also.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems you only speak up when you agree with the rest & you avoid to voice your opinion here (even if it is about defending michael) because admins/mods support it. So what? They're not going to eat or ban you because you have your say (as long as it is a civilized conversation). i don't know why so many fears :?
I didn't write anything because I know that people will start to bash me when I write my opinion about it. We all saw what happened on my post about TS.
I just want everyone to think about this. If Michael really wanted the media awareness, do you really believe that he would send a secret informer to let us know OR would he do it by himself? You guys believe that TMZ works for Michael, so wouldn't it be easier for him to use TMZ about it? TMZ made a walking casket picture but that's all. Why don't we have any news which is full of clues that Michael is alive from TMZ lately? And don't you think he's strong and powerfull enough to tell media about it?
And can you pls explain why would Michael want the media awareness??? Isn't it like going to rob a bank but call the police first?!? Hello illuminati I'm coming, so get your head right LOL Sorry but this doesn't make sense no way!!! When you make it on the news, do you think that people will start to believe in the hoax and in the illuminati? Is that the way you believe how Michael will be safe? Sorry but I do NOT believe in that theory of yours. And I do NOT believe this is what Michael wants. If he wanted to do this, he would have done this so long ago. Why would he wait for us to make people believe in illuminati this way? He's such a very smart man and I'm sure that he already knows we can not make people believe in it. This's Michael we're talking about. And if he's a genius enough to create such a perfect plan to fake his death, I'm sure that he has already another perfect plan to come back. And as much as you guys talk about him coming back to fight with illuminati, as much as you make him a target of illuminati. THINK TWICE WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Start to think about the things which were NOT told to you on this forum. Use your own logic and brain. You could be putting him danger because of someone or someones who asked you to do it. What if that's what they want? What if they want Michael to be an open target when he gets back? Pls be careful everyone. You're playing with fire!
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
Yes. I think we can safely say that (we) all the Grey guys and most of the Red guys are against this. Not sure about Green guys.
This is my conclusion, I could be wrong, though.
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okay here's my take:
It's pretty obvious that while Michael is the mastermind of this hoax, he is not the only player. The "death" on June 25th was successful because people agreed to work together. Michael himself could not have pulled off a fake death, as he can't multiply himself (save the double jokes for later) into being the doctors, policemen, ambulance drivers, lawyers, funeral personnel, etc. This hoax is team work. Even though he was successful in "dying" and being kept "dead" for over a year with the help of a group of people, he is now (I believe) asking us to join the adventure- physically. We have sat here for over a year, deciphering what is being given to us and looking for explanations and "connecting the dots." We may have tried to tell people about the hoax, but unfortunately we live in a world where people believe a stranger on a television telling you something as opposed to a best friend telling you something.
I believe it is our turn to act. I joined the Army of L.O.V.E. to be proactive, not just because I liked the concept. Therefore, I'm more than willing to make a new e-mail account and e-mail media outlets. It is my belief that this message needs to get out. I don't think it will hinder the BAM, since the BAM will be bigger with more people anticipating it. Yes, being blindsided does have that "woah" effect, but anticipation builds the hype. Think of it this way: You're at a huge concert, the lights dim, the beginning music fades....it's silent on stage and all you hear is the screaming. Thousands are screaming at the same time, waiting for that one person/group to come on stage and begin. That's what I imagine Michael would want his BAM to be like- like one of his concerts.
When the Sun article came out, it was a snowball effect. Now we need an avalanche effect.
So what do we do? Do we want to make one main draft and everyone (who agrees to participate) send it to the media outlets? Should we all send it at the same time to flood everyone's inboxes? Do we want to each make our own drafts? Let me know what you guys want to do.
Remember, it's for love, but this is also for truth.
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
This is something that affects everyone and most important, Michael, I know there're a LOT of people who don't support this but you really should give your opinion here, you are part of the forum also.
I'm sorry to say this but it seems you only speak up when you agree with the rest & you avoid to voice your opinion here (even if it is about defending michael) because admins/mods support it. So what? They're not going to eat or ban you because you have your say (as long as it is a civilized conversation). i don't know why so many fears :?
And for the people who think I'm wrong because you support elvisandmj.com, please don't take your time to reply to this, I already know what are your points of view, so to get in an argument is not what I'm looking for..
Ok this was all, peace
Some of us have spoken against it. I guess the rest choose to focus on other things...
i spoke up also and i guess ts decides to use my post as an example but i really could care less about what ts has to say because i still feel like ts is not what it claims to be but that is my opinion. i dont think this is a good idea. elvis faked his death yrs ago with no plans for a comeback so let it stay that way. so what if michael used the same technique as elvis to fake his death the only difference is michael perfected it where he could do a comeback and not have to stay hidden forever. thats why i think we should let this elvis thing go and let michael have his own spotlight.
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im in , btw.
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In the Cry song, Michael says he's looking for a sign, and that if everyone cries at the same time that might be it. He says he can't do it alone--that he needs us or wants us to do it with him. Is he hoping that there will be such a united tweeting and messaging through the media of this ElvisandMJ.com that that is his sign, the sign that he can be a world-wide leader for change and death blow to the evil forces? Is it simply something MJ's asking us to do for him, to show we love him and will do a favor he asks, no matter if we think it doesn't make sense or don't quite understand how it will make a difference. Just a thought about Prince's comment, maybe Michael knows something we don't, so we should just chill. Seems it's a faith and love assignment.
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
Yes. I think we can safely say that all the Grey guys and most of the Red guys are against this. Not sure about green guys.
This is my conclusion, I could be wrong, though.
well, this is my first post in this thread (i think) but my previous silence didn't mean that i'm against.
I'm in !!!!
i just wanted to know more about the plan before saying anything. Now i'm sure that we've got to do this so, what can i do to help here ?
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Well, yesterday I was one of those who could not support #elvisandmjdotcom. After reading today all the pros and cons once again, I'm the other opinion.
I notice in my personal environment, how difficult it is to sensitize people to the Hoax. I fail all the time... How can I convince someone under these conditions of Michael's message?!?
I realize that we have reached a point from which we need to act when we really want to mobilize many more people for our real mission.
Many thanks to Mo and Souza, who made clear once again what #elvisandmjdotcom is all about. I finally understood!
And, yes, we can get the attention of the people only when we start to talk about Elvis and all the parallel to Michael's Hoax. And, yes, I think by now that Michael trusted us to find the best possible solution to the mobilization of the masses. And the media are now even the biggest "megaphone", we can use to cry out what we have to say! We must not forget that Michael also knew to use the media very clever for his purposes (despite all the difficulties with them).
I can only ask all doubters to think about #elvisandmjdotcom a second time. Most of us are here as Soldiers of the Army of L.O.V.E. We share the common task, to change the world. Let's try it!
We have nothing to lose, but new believer to win!
Yay! Thank you SO much for keeping an open mind. Your support and efforts truly will make a difference. Much love to you!
I am in full agreement that taking this leap of faith is the right thing to do. There are two sayings that come to mind right now: "Any publicity is good publicity" and "The end justifies the means". The trick is to get it OUT THERE and let the media run with it, then sit back and watch it unfold. O.K. they may paint us as loonie tunes but we're expecting that anyway. The main thing is to get the message out there so that people can make up their own minds. It only takes a few seeds scattered in the soil to take root and spread. Keep the faith ... we're on the right track. Love & peace to all, Emerald xo
I agree with you three. The evidence speaks for itself. Why would Michael go to the effort of designing an elaborate parallel hoax if not to utilize it for his purpose? I believe it's just another instrument in his vast arsenal he's using to move his message in the right direction. Let's keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive and let the truth prevail!
Yeah! Let's do it! We can make that change!
Love to you all!
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So i suppose the people who didn't post anything are against this, like me, right?
Yes. I think we can safely say that all the Grey guys and most of the Red guys are against this. Not sure about green guys.
This is my conclusion, I could be wrong, though.
well, this is my first post in this thread (i think) but my previous silence didn't mean that i'm against.
I'm in !!!!
i just wanted to know more about the plan before saying anything. Now i'm sure that we've got to do this so, what can i do to help here ?
<3
I had not posted but I am for the plan. Assumptions can be wrong. I will be with my fellow soldiers on this one doing my part to bring ElvisandMJ.com to public attention.
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What a dramatic weekend here! I was very busy with 'life stuff', and was only able to catch a few glimpses of what was going on and didn't have time to gather my thoughts properly and post anything meaningful.
So this morning, for what it's worth, here's what I think:
While TIAI was simply about the hoax and clues to putting it all together, people have been able to go along with it all, generally quite merrily. Most accepted the need to spread more love around their immediate families, friends and lives. But it's as though panic set in as soon as we were being directed to actually DO something that would affect the wider world. It suddenly became very real, not just some sort of game. At least, that's how I felt/feel about it.
Now it's not just about how I feel emotionally about MJ and his life/death. It's about taking a long hard look at whether I am prepared to put my head above the parapet and be counted as his ACTIVE supporter. More than that, it's about taking direction when I may not be fully in agreement or understanding. Make no mistake, this is huge for me, and I suspect it is for others as well.
I'm certain MJ wants to 'come back' - he hasn't finished his work here yet, and I want to help him with that. But with regards to the media/Elvis thing, my concern is that he may not want to be dragged back into the media spotlight. Eliza could quietly go about her court case and fulfill her mission to get proof of who her father is, as she has been doing up to now, without the worldwide press coverage we're proposing to instigate, and the ensuing media frenzy that could make Elvis/Jesse's life a misery again.
I'm not sure that I should just be 'assuming' that MJ's ok'd it with Elvis! That's my dilemma. If I could get past this, then I'd be more than happy to email UK media outlets (that's more my thing than Twitter!).
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At the moment I'm absolutely unsure about that. don't know if this is the right way to go to the media. you all have very good argumentations for it and even against it.
i'm a little afraid because we can damage michael with that :?
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And as much as you guys talk about him coming back to fight with illuminati, as much as you make him a target of illuminati. THINK TWICE WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Start to think about the things which were NOT told to you on this forum. Use your own logic and brain. You could be putting him danger because of someone or someones who asked you to do it. What if that's what they want? What if they want Michael to be an open target when he gets back? Pls be careful everyone. You're playing with fire!
RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
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And as much as you guys talk about him coming back to fight with illuminati, as much as you make him a target of illuminati. THINK TWICE WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Start to think about the things which were NOT told to you on this forum. Use your own logic and brain. You could be putting him danger because of someone or someones who asked you to do it. What if that's what they want? What if they want Michael to be an open target when he gets back? Pls be careful everyone. You're playing with fire!
RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
agree 100%. we say we want to "protect michael" and "be there for michael," so why don't we show it?
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And as much as you guys talk about him coming back to fight with illuminati, as much as you make him a target of illuminati. THINK TWICE WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Start to think about the things which were NOT told to you on this forum. Use your own logic and brain. You could be putting him danger because of someone or someones who asked you to do it. What if that's what they want? What if they want Michael to be an open target when he gets back? Pls be careful everyone. You're playing with fire!
RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, this is a very helpful post to anyone who has doubts about MJ's safety. Thanks. Would you possibly be willing to address my Elvis doubts in my post earlier? I WANT to be convinced!
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And as much as you guys talk about him coming back to fight with illuminati, as much as you make him a target of illuminati. THINK TWICE WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Start to think about the things which were NOT told to you on this forum. Use your own logic and brain. You could be putting him danger because of someone or someones who asked you to do it. What if that's what they want? What if they want Michael to be an open target when he gets back? Pls be careful everyone. You're playing with fire!
RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, this is a very helpful post to anyone who has doubts about MJ's safety. Thanks. Would you possibly be willing to address my Elvis doubts in my post earlier? I WANT to be convinced!
Dear Curls, it's not my 'job' to convince you... All I can do is write down my thoughts, you can read them but...you will have to draw your own conclusion...
I'm certain MJ wants to 'come back' - he hasn't finished his work here yet, and I want to help him with that. But with regards to the media/Elvis thing, my concern is that he may not want to be dragged back into the media spotlight. Eliza could quietly go about her court case and fulfill her mission to get proof of who her father is, as she has been doing up to now, without the worldwide press coverage we're proposing to instigate, and the ensuing media frenzy that could make Elvis/Jesse's life a misery again.
I'm not sure that I should just be 'assuming' that MJ's ok'd it with Elvis! That's my dilemma. If I could get past this, then I'd be more than happy to email UK media outlets (that's more my thing than Twitter!).
Elvis Presley died on August 16, 1977. As from that date, Elvis chose to live the life of his deceased twin brother Jessie. Therefor there is no such thing as dragging Elvis into the media spotlight. Elvis Presley will not return.
Jesse has been helping Eliza Presley, he provided DNA. He sent Eliza gifts. Dr. Hinton worked with Jesse for years. He wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words”. Had he wanted to keep this all quiet, would he have been helping and cooperating..?
As for MJ ok'ing it with Elvis: when you compare the Elvis hoax to MJ's, it becomes quite clear that Elvis has been MJ's 'tutor'. There are so many parallels... The things that went wrong in the Elvis hoax were improved by MJ in his hoax. Please read this thread and watch the videos in it, I'm sure it will enlighten you: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467)
After reading that thread, please read TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!? (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061) again. Many more parallels are pointed out next to the ones in the thread I previously linked you to. To me this all clearly shows that MJ indeed ok'ed it with Elvis, and 'used' Elvis' expertise to create his own hoax..
I hope the above is of any help, and that it results in you making up your own mind. If not, please feel free to ask questions any time...
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Elvis Presley died on August 16, 1977. As from that date, Elvis chose to live the life of his deceased twin brother Jessie. Therefor there is no such thing as dragging Elvis into the media spotlight. Elvis Presley will not return.
Jesse has been helping Eliza Presley, he provided DNA. He sent Eliza gifts. Dr. Hinton worked with Jesse for years. He wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words”. Had he wanted to keep this all quiet, would he have been helping and cooperating..?
As for MJ ok'ing it with Elvis: when you compare the Elvis hoax to MJ's, it becomes quite clear that Elvis has been MJ's 'tutor'. There are so many parallels... The things that went wrong in the Elvis hoax were improved by MJ in his hoax. Please read this thread and watch the videos in it, I'm sure it will enlighten you: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467)
After reading that thread, please read TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!? (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11061) again. Many more parallels are pointed out next to the ones in the thread I previously linked you to. To me this all clearly shows that MJ indeed ok'ed it with Elvis, and 'used' Elvis' expertise to create his own hoax..
I hope the above is of any help, and that it results in you making up your own mind. If not, please feel free to ask questions any time...
Mo, thank you so much, these links to threads etc look like being very helpful to me. I have to go to work now, but I'll be reading them thoroughly as soon as I can get back online. Thanks again!
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Ok so if I understand some people are waiting for Michael to tell them IN PERSON what to do ? You perfectly know that it's not possible. I suspect that we don't understand the hoax "game" alike.
TMZ is definitely giving clues and I believe that Michael is behind because they were the first and only to report his death and many other things, hints and clues clearly showing they are in the know (and I'm not talking about all TMZ staff necessarily).
TS has proven to have inside information and gave explanations about the hoax with a lot more sense than any other "hoaxer". I trust him/her and not blindly the evidences are exposed for everyone to investigate for themselves.
Michael cannot fight alone and if THEY wanted to kill him they had the opportunity to do so before. They can't kill him, Michael is under God's protection. Put your trust in God.
He tried to send messages via his songs but few understood their real meanings (unless Love thank God). I think that Michael is on a mission to gather as much people as possible, this is the Army of Love, to fully understand his message, be by his side and show him support (not just words but actions too). We are his voice. I really feel involved in this, if only you could read my heart. I know there is something very important behind so we really have to keep united and not let disagreements separate us. For once in our lives we can make a change and a big one and Michael is giving us this chance, I won't let this opportunity at the door.
Now I really don't know what will convince you, I really don't. Michael cannot come and say do this or that. TS can, or via TMZ, or via his family but would you believe it either. I think it's not the only problem. The problem is also fear. I think that you fear the medias and I understand that but we must not let fear take control of our minds. Fear prevents us from acting even from doing good things. Fear is our worst enemy.
I'm asking the question. Do we make this action even if people do not agree with the idea ? Maybe we should vote to see if there are more "for" than "against" ? IDK.
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Ok so if I understand some people are waiting for Michael to tell them IN PERSON what to do ? You perfectly know that it's not possible. I suspect that we don't understand the hoax "game" alike.
TMZ is definitely giving clues and I believe that Michael is behind because they were the first and only to report his death and many other things, hints and clues clearly showing they are in the know (and I'm not talking about all TMZ staff necessarily).
TS has proven to have inside information and gave explanations about the hoax with a lot more sense than any other "hoaxer". I trust him/her and not blindly the evidences are exposed for everyone to investigate for themselves.
Michael cannot fight alone and if THEY wanted to kill him they had the opportunity to do so before. They can't kill him, Michael is under God's protection. Put your trust in God.
He tried to send messages via his songs but few understood their real meanings (unless Love thank God). I think that Michael is on a mission to gather as much people as possible, this is the Army of Love, to fully understand his message, be by his side and show him support (not just words but actions too). We are his voice. I really feel involved in this, if only you could read my heart. I know there is something very important behind so we really have to keep united and not let disagreements separate us. For once in our lives we can make a change and a big one and Michael is giving us this chance, I won't let this opportunity at the door.
Now I really don't know what will convince you, I really don't. Michael cannot come and say do this or that. TS can, or via TMZ, or via his family but would you believe it either. I think it's not the only problem. The problem is also fear. I think that you fear the medias and I understand that but we must not let fear take control of our minds. Fear prevents us from acting even from doing good things. Fear is our worst enemy.
I'm asking the question. Do we make this action even if people do not agree with the idea ? Maybe we should vote to see if there are more "for" than "against" ? IDK.
There's nothing more to add!!
Thank you so much (this is exactly how I feel!!)
Read this:
"There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." (1 John, 5:18)
Lot's of Love,
vercors
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Ok so if I understand some people are waiting for Michael to tell them IN PERSON what to do ? You perfectly know that it's not possible. I suspect that we don't understand the hoax "game" alike.
TMZ is definitely giving clues and I believe that Michael is behind because they were the first and only to report his death and many other things, hints and clues clearly showing they are in the know (and I'm not talking about all TMZ staff necessarily).
TS has proven to have inside information and gave explanations about the hoax with a lot more sense than any other "hoaxer". I trust him/her and not blindly the evidences are exposed for everyone to investigate for themselves.
Michael cannot fight alone and if THEY wanted to kill him they had the opportunity to do so before. They can't kill him, Michael is under God's protection. Put your trust in God.
He tried to send messages via his songs but few understood their real meanings (unless Love thank God). I think that Michael is on a mission to gather as much people as possible, this is the Army of Love, to fully understand his message, be by his side and show him support (not just words but actions too). We are his voice. I really feel involved in this, if only you could read my heart. I know there is something very important behind so we really have to keep united and not let disagreements separate us. For once in our lives we can make a change and a big one and Michael is giving us this chance, I won't let this opportunity at the door.
Now I really don't know what will convince you, I really don't. Michael cannot come and say do this or that. TS can, or via TMZ, or via his family but would you believe it either. I think it's not the only problem. The problem is also fear. I think that you fear the medias and I understand that but we must not let fear take control of our minds. Fear prevents us from acting even from doing good things. Fear is our worst enemy.
I'm asking the question. Do we make this action even if people do not agree with the idea ? Maybe we should vote to see if there are more "for" than "against" ? IDK.
Great post, thank you. I think voting is a good idea :)
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We're discussing this Elvis-Mj thing for weeks already. We've had the twitter-rally. The TMZ Live. If we believe that Michael is alive- and we do- we can agree with the fact that he's probably aware of this forum, since this is the biggest one. So he's aware of what we're doin' with the Elvis-staff.
I agree with Souza. If he wouldn't like the idea, if we could put him into a danger with this, if this is not what he wants from us to do, then he could easily shut our mouth up, for sure he wouldn't just hangin' on the internet and watching us damaging his hoax.
Anyone from the family could write a mail that pls stop it, or whatever, but they don't, they don't even mention us, and i guess it's because they want us to do this.
And i was thinkin' abt the same thing yesterday..people have to be aware of the problems around them, around us, in the world, and we have to try to open their eyes, we have to try to help. Otherwise if most of the people don't understand the reason of the hoax, or don't even know abt the hoax, what's gonna happen when he returns?
People won't understand what's goin' on. They're gonna feel that they're fooled by someone who they loved. Most of the people think he's gone. They've been mourning for more than a year. If they don't know the reason, they're not gonna blame the media, the illuminati, or whatever, they're gonna blame Michael. They're not gonna think "Media lies" they're gonna think Michael does.
And i don't want it to happen.
So i believe we have to do something.
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ok.. I have a question. How many people on this forum are willing to let the media come to their door to investigate the posts? They CAN and WILL find you if they think it is a good story.
Remember what Mike said "The media don't report good news", so if they start reporting this it won't be good news.
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I think that this is the only way to PROVE Michael that we are with him, that he is NOT alone!
Where's the so called Army of Love?
The time has come guys....THIS IS IT!
Let's show Michael and the whole world that WE are HERE and ready to fight!
Michael needs to feel our support otherwise he will be scared of coming back because not even his fans will be on his side to help him go through the whole thing. This is probably just a test to see if we really support him like we all say, if we really care about him. Think about it we don't want to let him down...do we?
Michael fought for us so why don't we fight for him?
[youtube:1po149ci]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI9U8kf3gZg[/youtube:1po149ci]
He knows what we are doing, you can be sure of that ;)
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ok.. I have a question. How many people on this forum are willing to let the media come to their door to investigate the posts? They CAN and WILL find you if they think it is a good story.
Remember what Mike said "The media don't report good news", so if they start reporting this it won't be good news.
They can come, no problem. I'm gonna wait for them behind my door with tons of water balloons. 8-)
But seriously. If you want to reach people, you have to USE the media. Even if there are too many tabloids, and garbages, not ALL of them are like that.
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GoOoF wrote;
They can come, no problem. I'm gonna wait for them behind my door with tons of water balloons.
But seriously. If you want to reach people, you have to USE the media. Even if there are too many tabloids, and garbages, not ALL of them are like that.
GoOoF
:lol: :lol:
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I have a question for people who are against this action but believe that Michael will return. HOW do you think the MEDIAS will report about it ? What do you think they will say ?
If the medias always twist everything why would they depart from the rule when Michael returns ? If we can't trust them and hence don't use them how do we spread the message on a GLOBAL SCALE ? To give a chance for other people to know.
I really want you to think about it maybe you'll see that an action like this can be highly necessary.
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I'm agree on make the media and the whole world aware of the hoax, we have a lot of proofs and facts to show them, but about the message and the "why" i'm not sure if we should because we don't know yet what is his message or why did he hoaxed his death, we can only speculate about it and choose the one we like best.
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i still think its a bad idea because first of all we dont know why he did this we are only guessing and noone knows the real answer. as far as michaels message i thought his son prince made it perfectly clear as to what his message is and its simple love. i am pretty sure that everyone knows that michael cant talk to us right now that is why he has his family, tmz, and larry king giving us clues and hints along the way. we should wait for them to give us the word to spread this to the media and they will when the time is right just be patient isnt that what michael asked of us. dont be in such a big hurry to run and tell the things you know. ;) and as far as eliza goes why would she even be thinking about exposing her brother i thought she only set out to find her father and she did that so why expose elvis i dont think its right for her to do her brother like that its obvious that he didnt want to come back cause if he did he would have done so yrs ago.
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bubaliciousjlb agree with u, it maybe very dangerous for him, we really dont know why he had to do it, maybe he doesnt want the whole world esp. the media to know about it, i know some may say why then he has left so many clues, i think those clues are only for his fans, he cares for us, he loves us more and wants us to be open-minded, to learn the truth, not to suffer anymore, so maybe doing this will dastroy his plans, put him in danger, i still think there is a very serious reason for this hoax, maybe his and his kids' lives were in serious danger, maybe he really doesnt want the bad guys to know that he is not dead, let's leave it to here, however i dont wanna the media to be involved in this case, it doesnt smell good
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RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, you're talking about making people aware of illuminati. That's very fine with me. I'm trying to spread it to everyone I know. But the point is why do you use Michael to spread information about illuminati? Why do you scream that Michael is coming back to fight with illuminati? Yes, people from illuminati come to this forum because this is the first and the only forum who announced Michael faked his death to expose NWO/illuminati! Because you guys spread on the newspapers that Michael did the hoax to expose illumiati! But the question is; how do we know it? Yes probably Michael was into illuminati issue but how do we know that he did the hoax to expose illuminati? What clue did we see or have about it? Shouldn't we have any clue about it in TII if his message was about illuminati? And please do NOT repeat TS' posts to me. That's what most people do. I definitely do NOT believe TS is related with Michael or the Jacksons. Michael is a genius and he would have given us a sign through Jacksons about TS but he never did that! TS is a good investigator and the things he wrote is his theory only. That's all! We can all write our own theories. Some are better, some are just good.
All I'm saying is, we should do the media awareness about illuminati but we shouldn't involve Michael into it! If that's what you're trying to do, if waking up people about illuminati! Involving Michael could be dangerous for him. Let's wait till he gets back and we'll see if this was his real message. You guys were the ones who said Michael would come back to help us to expose illuminati, so sooner or later he would come back. And in the meantime let's email to those media about illuminati then. Why do we involve Michael and especially Elvis for God's sake? And if it's like you say, if Michael's message is about illuminati, it will be safer for him when he gets back because more people would have learnt about NWO and illu. You do NOT need to involve Michael into it!
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i am pretty sure that everyone knows that michael cant talk to us right now that is why he has his family, tmz, and larry king giving us clues and hints along the way.
Just a reminder for you regarding TMZ:
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bubaliciousjlb agree with u, it maybe very dangerous for him, we really dont know why he had to do it, maybe he doesnt want the whole world esp. the media to know about it
A reminder for you as well - that article in The Sun snowballed the world wide media. Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, was quoted in it. Don't tell me that the family never heard of it. That article wasn't the first item in the media, see viewforum.php?f=97 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=97)
As from the beginning of March the media has been doing items on it. Had Mike not wanted the hoax to hit the media, would he have let 4 months go pass without having someone contacting us and ask us to stop? It's a piece of cake for the Estate to drop us a note with a request like that, yet nothing whatsoever appeared in our mailbox.
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i still think its a bad idea because first of all we dont know why he did this we are only guessing and noone knows the real answer. as far as michaels message i thought his son prince made it perfectly clear as to what his message is and its simple love. i am pretty sure that everyone knows that michael cant talk to us right now that is why he has his family, tmz, and larry king giving us clues and hints along the way. we should wait for them to give us the word to spread this to the media and they will when the time is right just be patient isnt that what michael asked of us. dont be in such a big hurry to run and tell the things you know. ;) and as far as eliza goes why would she even be thinking about exposing her brother i thought she only set out to find her father and she did that so why expose elvis i dont think its right for her to do her brother like that its obvious that he didnt want to come back cause if he did he would have done so yrs ago.
bubaliciousjlb agree with u, it maybe very dangerous for him, we really dont know why he had to do it, maybe he doesnt want the whole world esp. the media to know about it, i know some may say why then he has left so many clues, i think those clues are only for his fans, he cares for us, he loves us more and wants us to be open-minded, to learn the truth, not to suffer anymore, so maybe doing this will dastroy his plans, put him in danger, i still think there is a very serious reason for this hoax, maybe his and his kids' lives were in serious danger, maybe he really doesnt want the bad guys to know that he is not dead, let's leave it to here, however i dont wanna the media to be involved in this case, it doesnt smell good
Ohh thank God, there're people who think like me :) Guys don't you also think Michael would have shown us a sign or given a clue in TII if he did the hoax to expose illu.? What did we have? NOTHING! He could wear a t-shirt with the number 6 or 9 on. But nope he wore his lucky number 7! I'm so so scared and worried about him because these people are going to put him into so much danger. It's like turning on the alarm of the bank that you're going to rob lol This place is screaming like "Illu. Michael is coming to kick your a**." Geezzz. :roll: If we want people to wake up about illuminati then email it to the media. Why do we need to involve Michael's hoax into it? I'm seriously so worried about him. People don't think what they're doing and why they're doing. They believed TS is an insider and they are doing whatever he tells. This's so wrong ! :roll:
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RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, you're talking about making people aware of illuminati. That's very fine with me. I'm trying to spread it to everyone I know. But the point is why do you use Michael to spread information about illuminati? Why do you scream that Michael is coming back to fight with illuminati? Yes, people from illuminati come to this forum because this is the first and the only forum who announced Michael faked his death to expose NWO/illuminati! Because you guys spread on the newspapers that Michael did the hoax to expose illumiati! But the question is; how do we know it? Yes probably Michael was into illuminati issue but how do we know that he did the hoax to expose illuminati? What clue did we see or have about it? Shouldn't we have any clue about it in TII if his message was about illuminati? And please do NOT repeat TS' posts to me. That's what most people do. I definitely do NOT believe TS is related with Michael or the Jacksons. Michael is a genius and he would have given us a sign through Jacksons about TS but he never did that! TS is a good investigator and the things he wrote is his theory only. That's all! We can all write our own theories. Some are better, some are just good.
All I'm saying is, we should do the media awareness about illuminati but we shouldn't involve Michael into it! If that's what you're trying to do, if waking up people about illuminati! Involving Michael could be dangerous for him. Let's wait till he gets back and we'll see if this was his real message. You guys were the ones who said Michael would come back to help us to expose illuminati, so sooner or later he would come back. And in the meantime let's email to those media about illuminati then. Why do we involve Michael and especially Elvis for God's sake? And if it's like you say, if Michael's message is about illuminati, it will be safer for him when he gets back because more people would have learnt about NWO and illu. You do NOT need to involve Michael into it!
RestlessSoul, I am not going to repeat myself again. I have written many posts about MJ and the illuminati. I suggest you spend some time going through my posts: search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts) I also suggest you read the blog Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control? (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/mike-victim-of-illuminati-mind-control/) again. After reading it all, you will have your answers.
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i still think its a bad idea because first of all we dont know why he did this we are only guessing and noone knows the real answer. as far as michaels message i thought his son prince made it perfectly clear as to what his message is and its simple love. i am pretty sure that everyone knows that michael cant talk to us right now that is why he has his family, tmz, and larry king giving us clues and hints along the way. we should wait for them to give us the word to spread this to the media and they will when the time is right just be patient isnt that what michael asked of us. dont be in such a big hurry to run and tell the things you know. ;) and as far as eliza goes why would she even be thinking about exposing her brother i thought she only set out to find her father and she did that so why expose elvis i dont think its right for her to do her brother like that its obvious that he didnt want to come back cause if he did he would have done so yrs ago.
Ok but don't you believe TS is giving clues too ? It's like for TMZ, it's the same TS is legit.
What are your thoughts on this TMZ article
La Toya: Michael Wanted to Teach Bubbles to Talk
Michael Jackson spent thousands of dollars on research to see if it was possible to perform a medical procedure on his beloved pet Bubbles that would give him the ability to speak ... this according to an interview with his sister La Toya
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Michael eventually came to realize that any such procedure would be too risky, but not after flying in experts. La Toya told News of the World, "... He wanted to give him vocal chords and asked doctors, 'Can I give him an operation so that I can know what his thoughts are?'"
La Toya says the most Bubbles ever mustered up was the occasional bark or grunt.
http://www.tmz.com/ (http://www.tmz.com/)
To me it's clear.
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It's a piece of cake for the Estate to drop us a note with a request like that, yet nothing whatsoever appeared in our mailbox.[/b]
It's probably they don't care about this forum. There're so many forums. How many of them are they going to write? Why would they bother? Or probably they're also scared if some of us go to the media and tell the Jacksons left a note to us, who knows...
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RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, you're talking about making people aware of illuminati. That's very fine with me. I'm trying to spread it to everyone I know. But the point is why do you use Michael to spread information about illuminati? Why do you scream that Michael is coming back to fight with illuminati? Yes, people from illuminati come to this forum because this is the first and the only forum who announced Michael faked his death to expose NWO/illuminati! Because you guys spread on the newspapers that Michael did the hoax to expose illumiati! But the question is; how do we know it? Yes probably Michael was into illuminati issue but how do we know that he did the hoax to expose illuminati? What clue did we see or have about it? Shouldn't we have any clue about it in TII if his message was about illuminati? And please do NOT repeat TS' posts to me. That's what most people do. I definitely do NOT believe TS is related with Michael or the Jacksons. Michael is a genius and he would have given us a sign through Jacksons about TS but he never did that! TS is a good investigator and the things he wrote is his theory only. That's all! We can all write our own theories. Some are better, some are just good.
All I'm saying is, we should do the media awareness about illuminati but we shouldn't involve Michael into it! If that's what you're trying to do, if waking up people about illuminati! Involving Michael could be dangerous for him. Let's wait till he gets back and we'll see if this was his real message. You guys were the ones who said Michael would come back to help us to expose illuminati, so sooner or later he would come back. And in the meantime let's email to those media about illuminati then. Why do we involve Michael and especially Elvis for God's sake? And if it's like you say, if Michael's message is about illuminati, it will be safer for him when he gets back because more people would have learnt about NWO and illu. You do NOT need to involve Michael into it!
RestlessSoul, I am not going to repeat myself again. I have written many posts about MJ and the illuminati. I suggest you spend some time going through my posts: search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts) I also suggest you read the blog Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control? (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/mike-victim-of-illuminati-mind-control/) again. After reading it all, you will have your answers.
Ok I would like you to read my post once more then MO. Because I never said that Michael was NOT into illu. thing! He was, I know it too BUT I'm saying we do NOT have a proof that he did the hoax to expose illuminati! AND if you want people to be aware of illu., then email media about illu. Why do you involve Michael? If you have an answer for this, I'd love to read. But do not post me the things I've already read and which is unrelated with my post.
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RestlessSoul, do you honestly think that no one from the illuminati has found MJDHI as of yet..? The top ranked MJ hoax death website on Google, thousands of MJ illuminati related tweets by numerous people, hundreds of MJ illuminati related videos, media articles about the hoax in which the illuminati is mentioned and you think they are still not aware of it..? Do you even know who owns most of the media?[
Besides that, Mike sang and spoke about exposing them for years. Do I need to refresh your memory about their attempts of bringing him down? They already KNOW.
We're in the middle of a huge process, more and more people are being aware of what is really going on. This process can not be stopped. More people need to wake up, research it, and draw their own conclusions. The more people are aware of it, the more safe Mike will be. How do you think people will react if he starts telling his story, while hardly anyone knows about what a screwed world we live in? He very well could be ridiculed again, just like we the hoax believers are ridiculed. That needs to be avoided.
The more people know what's really going on, the more safe Mike will be when he returns. Many dates have passed which would have been excellent days to return, yet nothing happened. It's our turn now, we need to awaken people in order to ensure a safe return.
Mo, you're talking about making people aware of illuminati. That's very fine with me. I'm trying to spread it to everyone I know. But the point is why do you use Michael to spread information about illuminati? Why do you scream that Michael is coming back to fight with illuminati? Yes, people from illuminati come to this forum because this is the first and the only forum who announced Michael faked his death to expose NWO/illuminati! Because you guys spread on the newspapers that Michael did the hoax to expose illumiati! But the question is; how do we know it? Yes probably Michael was into illuminati issue but how do we know that he did the hoax to expose illuminati? What clue did we see or have about it? Shouldn't we have any clue about it in TII if his message was about illuminati? And please do NOT repeat TS' posts to me. That's what most people do. I definitely do NOT believe TS is related with Michael or the Jacksons. Michael is a genius and he would have given us a sign through Jacksons about TS but he never did that! TS is a good investigator and the things he wrote is his theory only. That's all! We can all write our own theories. Some are better, some are just good.
All I'm saying is, we should do the media awareness about illuminati but we shouldn't involve Michael into it! If that's what you're trying to do, if waking up people about illuminati! Involving Michael could be dangerous for him. Let's wait till he gets back and we'll see if this was his real message. You guys were the ones who said Michael would come back to help us to expose illuminati, so sooner or later he would come back. And in the meantime let's email to those media about illuminati then. Why do we involve Michael and especially Elvis for God's sake? And if it's like you say, if Michael's message is about illuminati, it will be safer for him when he gets back because more people would have learnt about NWO and illu. You do NOT need to involve Michael into it!
RestlessSoul, I am not going to repeat myself again. I have written many posts about MJ and the illuminati. I suggest you spend some time going through my posts: search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=54&sr=posts) I also suggest you read the blog Mike; victim of Illuminati & Mind Control? (http://doubledutchblogs.wordpress.com/2010/01/03/mike-victim-of-illuminati-mind-control/) again. After reading it all, you will have your answers.
Ok I would like you to read my post once more then MO. Because I never said that Michael was NOT into illu. thing! He was, I know it too BUT I'm saying we do NOT have a proof that he did the hoax to expose illuminati! AND if you want people to be aware of illu., then email media about illu. Why do you involve Michael? If you have an answer for this, I'd love to read. But do not post me the things I've already read and which is unrelated with my post.
After reading it all, you will have your answers.
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I'm agree with Mo on this, i think is time to do something, is time to take some risks and as i said before we have a lot of evidences.
Right now i'm listening to this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvaId8X4GGY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvaId8X4GGY) and i think that the lirycs perfectly fits here.
Live to tell
I have a tale to tell
Sometimes it gets so hard to hide it well
I was not ready for the fall
Too blind to see the writing on the wall
Chorus:
A man can tell a thousand lies
I've learned my lesson well
Hope I live to tell
The secret I have learned, 'till then
It will burn inside of me
I know where beauty lives
I've seen it once, I know the warm she gives
The light that you could never see
It shines inside, you can't take that from me
2nd Chorus:
The truth is never far behind
You kept it hidden well
If I live to tell
The secret I knew then
Will I ever have the chance again?
If I ran away, I'd never have the strength
To go very far
How could they hear the beating of my heart?
Will it grow cold?
The secret that I hide, will I grow old
How would they hear?
When would they learn?
How would they know?
If not now then when? this is the moment, maybe we won't have another chance. Michael didn't leave the clues only for us, please forget about the idea of us beeing the chosen ones, if there is no more people interested on the hoax is because maybe they didn't had the time to investigate it, we have done our work why shouldn't we share it with others? Let's give them the opportunity to know.
We could be wrong but if we do nothing we will never know, imo there's nothing worse than to regret about what you haven't done.
Now is time for us to think about it, but remember that maybe we are running out of time.
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Sarahli I remember very well this article on TMZ.
RestlessSoul link this forum on TMZ, and TMZ is visited by many people, why they put the link on your page?, In fact we can say that the hoax is in the media. ;)
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no i dont believe that ts has been leaving us clues. i think that ts is just someone who is very clever and careful on how they choose their words. i never saw any definite predictions from ts just a person who can take a word with several meaning and use it well to suit there needs and please everyone around them. dont misunderstand me im not bashing ts i would really like to give them a round of applause for a job well done because to deceive this many people takes the mind of a genuis.
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It's a piece of cake for the Estate to drop us a note with a request like that, yet nothing whatsoever appeared in our mailbox.
It's probably they don't care about this forum. There're so many forums. How many of them are they going to write? Why would they bother? Or probably they're also scared if some of us go to the media and tell the Jacksons left a note to us, who knows...
My sincere apologies RestlessSoul, I had overlooked your comment.
Nice way of ripping my post out of context just by quoting the last sentence and replying to it, well done!
Here's my reply as I wrote it, in whole:
A reminder for you as well - that article in The Sun snowballed the world wide media. Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, was quoted in it. Don't tell me that the family never heard of it. That article wasn't the first item in the media, see viewforum.php?f=97
As from the beginning of March the media has been doing items on it. Had Mike not wanted the hoax to hit the media, would he have let 4 months go pass without having someone contacting us and ask us to stop? It's a piece of cake for the Estate to drop us a note with a request like that, yet nothing whatsoever appeared in our mailbox.[/b]
In my reply I pointed out what MIKE could have done had he not wanted the hoax to hit the media, I was not talking about what actions the Estate could have initiated on their own.
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One question: why is this so important? Feeding the media that is. Please don't take my question in the wrong way I'm just very curious of what the purpose is?
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I thought this thread was not about TS, NWO or Illu. I thought it was about to tell the world by using the media that MJ is still alive. If it's about show them the evidences you can count me in but if it's about just theories i think that we should leave MJ away because we don't know about his reasons to hoax his death. I really believe that Illu. and NWO are a reallity, they were there before MJ, but i don't know if this is his message.
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Who has put it all on The Scene?
All these tracks and "coincidences" for a group of people only know them online? :mrgreen:
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The medias will not talk about the Illuminati by themselves. They're part of it. We must attract people here by telling them that Elvis Presley is alive and that Michael faked his death too. When they come here they will see that WE think that Michael faked his death to expose some truths nobody dares to tell. Michael is not directly involved. WE are.
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Wow!...Ok, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and have the right to post their thoughts on this hoax and how they envision it, but I would like to know something. For those of you who think that Michael wouldn't want us to go to the media to expose the truth, I ask you this. Why do you think Michael "hoaxed" his death then? What was the point in doing this? I would seriously like to know from those of you who don't believe that we are doing the right thing, by going to the media with this? I am not trying to be mean in any way, I am just curious to know how others view the meaning and reason for this hoax in the first place.
A year ago when I started to investigate this hoax, I believed this hoax was more about Michael wanting to get into directing movies and I believed that we were all living a "real life" reality show, so to speak. In the beginning, I thought that this was all about Michael's "creative" and "genius" mind and that in the end we would find out that this was all for "entertainment" purposes only. As time passed and Bam dates came and went, I really started to look at this hoax with a whole new perspective.
I had to take into consideration, the fact that I was drawn to this hoax, by a power that I still cannot explain. I, like a lot of others here, feel like I was "chosen", as strange as that may seem. "Something" brought me here, a force that I can't explain. All I know is my life changed in a drastic way and I feel like I was brought here for a reason and I know in my heart, this is what I was meant to be here for a "reason"
Getting back to the hoax now. When TS started to post, at first I was confused and didn't know what to think, but I have really taken the time to investigate "everything" and it was through this intense investigation, that I came to realize the real reason why Michael "hoaxed" his death. Now this is just my opinion, but I really believe that Michael did this to get us to open our eyes and our minds, to all the corruption going on in this world. Most of us want to dismiss the idea of NWO, Illuminate, HAARP end of the world, etc. because this is scary stuff, but we need to overcome our "fear", we need to educate ourselves to what is really happening in this world and we need to help "educate" others as well.
We as people, have become so brainwashed that we don't think for ourselves anymore. We have become "Sheeple". Here is an example of what that means:
A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in group think and what is viewed as popular or elite group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavior and opinion.
To accept the group mentality and opinion as fact without examination.
Not only to be told what to do, but accepting the paradigm of thought as absolute thereby removing the weight of personal responsibility in the making of decisions.
In 2003 American President Bush states that the need to invade Iraq is imperative because it it was a supporter of Islamic terrorism and developer of Weapons of Mass Destruction that would threaten the United States.
Although no evidence was given in support of such statements the american sheeple supported the war despite evidence to the contrary.
OR:
People unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive abilities of their own.
OR:
People who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their political leaders say or who adopt popular opinion as their own without scrutiny.
The same thing can be applied to this hoax. I believe that this hoax is a great example of how easy it is to become "sheeple" We have the majority of the people on this forum that continue to follow every tidbit, or clue that is thrown our way. We see a clue and we run with it, believing that we are going to find the "answer" we have been looking for, when for the most part, all of these clues end up leading us nowhere, but they keep us coming back for more.
Then there are some of us, who think "outside of the box" and for those of us who have done this, we have come to the conclusion, that this hoax has a much bigger "purpose" We have to remember that Michael has always told us that we can't believe anything that is written about him, that we can only believe what comes from Michael's lips alone. Well, as I have said before, the only clues that we can believe, are the messages that have come from Michael directly, over the years. So if you do this, you will clearly see that Michael's message is all about Love, exposing the corruption and making a change, but that change needs to start with US!
This is really hard for me to put into words here, because there is so much I want to say, but my whole point is this.
If Michael didn't want the world to know that he was alive and that he had a very important reason for hoaxing his death, he would have done everything completely different. There would be no need to "hoax" his death, he would have made sure that the world knew that he was "dead"...Plain and simple! Michael is a genius, if he could pull off a hoax,then he could certainly have made everyone believe that he was gone for good. The fact is, he "hoaxed his death for a very serious reason and he has left it up to us to figure out, "why" he did so.
I have said many times that we are in the "reveal" stage of this hoax and I truly believe that the "reveal", means that it is up to us to get this information out to the mainstream media and to anyone else who will listen. We are Michael's "Army of Love", for those of you who don't believe in this, think back to the movie This Is It and the song They don't really are about us. The dancers multiply in the video so that Michael has his "Army" behind him...we are those people, we need to multiply the numbers to increase this Army. His message is clear..."in what will go down in History as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of mankind". Michael is asking the world to open their eyes and see how we are being manipulated by the "system". He wants us to help him change this!
Take a look at what is happening in this world, then tell me you don't see that we are heading towards "the end of the world", if we just keep letting the system control us. We need to look inside ourselves, embrace love and believe that we CAN make a difference...it's our only hope. We need the "masses" to become aware in order to make that change and if Michael hadn't "faked" his death, I know that I would have continued being a "sheeple". because that is what I was accustomed to. Also I like most of you, just thought, "what difference can I make?" Well, I am so thankful that Michael did this for us, because my life has changed in a big way and I will continue this fight until the end, because at least I know that I tried to make a difference...I really made a change!
So, getting back to the subject of this post. I strongly believe that we need to do everything we can to bring Michael's hoax to the media. Mo and Souza have already stated why we should use the elvisandmj.com, to get the media's attention, so I won't elaborate on those reasons. The main point is just getting as many people aware as we can! Like I said before, for those of you who believe that we are somehow putting Michael in danger by doing this, I ask you, why do you think this? Remember, it is not only Michael that is in danger...we are ALL in danger, if we don't stand up for ourselves and bring Love and Power back to the people! We owe it to ourselves and our families, to make a change before it is too late! If this "hoax" was really just some sort of joke, I know that Michael's family would have shut us down a long time ago...Believe my friends...Believe!
Thanks for listening...Michael, I love you friend..."Heart" to "Heart"
Dayna
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Wow!...Ok, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and have the right to post their thoughts on this hoax and how they envision it, but I would like to know something. For those of you who think that Michael wouldn't want us to go to the media to expose the truth, I ask you this. Why do you think Michael "hoaxed" his death then? What was the point in doing this? I would seriously like to know from those of you who don't believe that we are doing the right thing, by going to the media with this? I am not trying to be mean in any way, I am just curious to know how others view the meaning and reason for this hoax in the first place.
A year ago when I started to investigate this hoax, I believed this hoax was more about Michael wanting to get into directing movies and I believed that we were all living a "real life" reality show, so to speak. In the beginning, I thought that this was all about Michael's "creative" and "genius" mind and that in the end we would find out that this was all for "entertainment" purposes only. As time passed and Bam dates came and went, I really started to look at this hoax with a whole new perspective.
I had to take into consideration, the fact that I was drawn to this hoax, by a power that I still cannot explain. I, like a lot of others here, feel like I was "chosen", as strange as that may seem. "Something" brought me here, a force that I can't explain. All I know is my life changed in a drastic way and I feel like I was brought here for a reason and I know in my heart, this is what I was meant to be here for a "reason"
Getting back to the hoax now. When TS started to post, at first I was confused and didn't know what to think, but I have really taken the time to investigate "everything" and it was through this intense investigation, that I came to realize the real reason why Michael "hoaxed" his death. Now this is just my opinion, but I really believe that Michael did this to get us to open our eyes and our minds, to all the corruption going on in this world. Most of us want to dismiss the idea of NWO, Illuminate, HAARP end of the world, etc. because this is scary stuff, but we need to overcome our "fear", we need to educate ourselves to what is really happening in this world and we need to help "educate" others as well.
We as people, have become so brainwashed that we don't think for ourselves anymore. We have become "Sheeple". Here is an example of what that means:
A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in group think and what is viewed as popular or elite group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavior and opinion.
To accept the group mentality and opinion as fact without examination.
Not only to be told what to do, but accepting the paradigm of thought as absolute thereby removing the weight of personal responsibility in the making of decisions.
In 2003 American President Bush states that the need to invade Iraq is imperative because it it was a supporter of Islamic terrorism and developer of Weapons of Mass Destruction that would threaten the United States.
Although no evidence was given in support of such statements the american sheeple supported the war despite evidence to the contrary.
OR:
People unable to think for themselves. Followers. Lemmings. Those with no cognitive abilities of their own.
OR:
People who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their political leaders say or who adopt popular opinion as their own without scrutiny.
The same thing can be applied to this hoax. I believe that this hoax is a great example of how easy it is to become "sheeple" We have the majority of the people on this forum that continue to follow every tidbit, or clue that is thrown our way. We see a clue and we run with it, believing that we are going to find the "answer" we have been looking for, when for the most part, all of these clues end up leading us nowhere, but they keep us coming back for more.
Then there are some of us, who think "outside of the box" and for those of us who have done this, we have come to the conclusion, that this hoax has a much bigger "purpose" We have to remember that Michael has always told us that we can't believe anything that is written about him, that we can only believe what comes from Michael's lips alone. Well, as I have said before, the only clues that we can believe, are the messages that have come from Michael directly, over the years. So if you do this, you will clearly see that Michael's message is all about Love, exposing the corruption and making a change, but that change needs to start with US!
This is really hard for me to put into words here, because there is so much I want to say, but my whole point is this.
If Michael didn't want the world to know that he was alive and that he had a very important reason for hoaxing his death, he would have done everything completely different. There would be no need to "hoax" his death, he would have made sure that the world knew that he was "dead"...Plain and simple! Michael is a genius, if he could pull off a hoax,then he could certainly have made everyone believe that he was gone for good. The fact is, he "hoaxed his death for a very serious reason and he has left it up to us to figure out, "why" he did so.
I have said many times that we are in the "reveal" stage of this hoax and I truly believe that the "reveal", means that it is up to us to get this information out to the mainstream media and to anyone else who will listen. We are Michael's "Army of Love", for those of you who don't believe in this, think back to the movie This Is It and the song They don't really are about us. The dancers multiply in the video so that Michael has his "Army" behind him...we are those people, we need to multiply the numbers to increase this Army. His message is clear..."in what will go down in History as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of mankind". Michael is asking the world to open their eyes and see how we are being manipulated by the "system". He wants us to help him change this!
Take a look at what is happening in this world, then tell me you don't see that we are heading towards "the end of the world", if we just keep letting the system control us. We need to look inside ourselves, embrace love and believe that we CAN make a difference...it's our only hope. We need the "masses" to become aware in order to make that change and if Michael hadn't "faked" his death, I know that I would have continued being a "sheeple". because that is what I was accustomed to. Also I like most of you, just thought, "what difference can I make?" Well, I am so thankful that Michael did this for us, because my life has changed in a big way and I will continue this fight until the end, because at least I know that I tried to make a difference...I really made a change!
So, getting back to the subject of this post. I strongly believe that we need to do everything we can to bring Michael's hoax to the media. Mo and Souza have already stated why we should use the elvisandmj.com, to get the media's attention, so I won't elaborate on those reasons. The main point is just getting as many people aware as we can! Like I said before, for those of you who believe that we are somehow putting Michael in danger by doing this, I ask you, why do you think this? Remember, it is not only Michael that is in danger...we are ALL in danger, if we don't stand up for ourselves and bring Love and Power back to the people! We owe it to ourselves and our families, to make a change before it is too late! If this "hoax" was really just some sort of joke, I know that Michael's family would have shut us down a long time ago...Believe my friends...Believe!
Thanks for listening...Michael, I love you friend..."Heart" to "Heart"
Dayna
Thank you for putting your thought down in this thread, I wholeheartedly agree with you...
As for this part of your reply:
We are Michael's "Army of Love", for those of you who don't believe in this, think back to the movie This Is It and the song They don't really are about us. The dancers multiply in the video so that Michael has his "Army" behind him...we are those people, we need to multiply the numbers to increase this Army. His message is clear..."in what will go down in History as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of mankind". Michael is asking the world to open their eyes and see how we are being manipulated by the "system". He wants us to help him change this!
I'd like to bring these videos, which we made in December and to which TIAI has redirected the day after we uploaded them, to everyone's attention again:
[youtube:32vp05s1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JolXieKhCZY[/youtube:32vp05s1]
[youtube:32vp05s1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLtFF5UEOE4[/youtube:32vp05s1]
I'd like to ask everyone to watch them again...
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Very well said Dayna, you have expressed exactly how I feel and better than I could have :D
This is much bigger than a lot first realised and I think that Michael really needs us, now. He cannot do this alone. Listen to the lyrics to "Cry", this says it all.
He has told us so many times what his reason and message is and it's simple and it incorporates every aspect of our World, whichever angle you view it from. TRUTH!!! The truth WILL prevail!!!
There are many truths to discover, bad and good and all of mankind has a right to know these truths. Once they realise that the truth has been a lie all along, they will question it and look for answers, just like we have. The most important thing is for people to see that we have been fed a massive lie by the media about Elvis being dead. Once this is seen by the public, they will see the many videos and articles relating to Michael as well and 'in a blink of eye, the minority become the majority'. (quoting thisisalmostit).
Michaels message at the memorial was to 'Raise our voice as one' and look where we are. This is not about staying in our bubble for safety, it's about blowing this bubble bigger to make it more visible.
Many started their journey here, one year ago to find out the truth about Michael and look how much more we have discovered, this is a journey and we need to provide a starting point for the rest of humanity to join us and this is Elvis, then Michael and then the truth of our world in it's many aspects. People have the freedom to believe what they feel is right and what they feel is the truth. Once all truths have come to light, we will be a very strong force for good and this is what Michaels mission is. Awakening humanity by creating the biggest lie and giving us clues to the truth, this has taught us how to find the truth by fitting pieces of information together and seeing the bigger picture.
Our numbers need to grow now, we are over one year in and it's time to make HIStory more visible to the world.
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Thank you mjj4ever777 for a very thought-provoking post. I, too, felt "drawn" to the hoax forums at the beginning and it has been a learning experience ever since. Michael has used his genius to create a platform from where he can teach us a whole series of lessons, each one revealing the truth about certain aspects of the world we live in. Some people were ready from the beginning to delve deeper, while others needed a little more "coaxing". We fear what we cannot understand and that's why some people have steered away from threads concerning the Illuminati, NWO, HAARP, or spiritual and religious subjects. No-one here can say "I know the exact reason Michael hoaxed his death". We can only speculate as to his true motives. But we have been given enough evidence through the clues left behind that Michael has done this so that we will know the TRUTH - in whatever shape or form that may take. He wants our eyes to be opened and for us to think for ourselves, rather than be spoon fed by those controlling the media. It may be presumptuous to say we are "the chosen ones", but I do believe we have been drawn to these forums for a specific reason, and that is the share the truths we have learned with others out there who are ready to receive it. I recall Jermaine saying "an AVALANCHE of TRUTH is coming". Let us be the catalyst for this to take place. Love & peace to all, Emerald xo
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Very well said Dayna, you have expressed exactly how I feel and better than I could have :D
This is much bigger than a lot first realised and I think that Michael really needs us, now. He cannot do this alone. Listen to the lyrics to "Cry", this says it all.
He has told us so many times what his reason and message is and it's simple and it incorporates every aspect of our World, whichever angle you view it from. TRUTH!!! The truth WILL prevail!!!
There are many truths to discover, bad and good and all of mankind has a right to know these truths. Once they realise that the truth has been a lie all along, they will question it and look for answers, just like we have. The most important thing is for people to see that we have been fed a massive lie by the media about Elvis being dead. Once this is seen by the public, they will see the many videos and articles relating to Michael as well and 'in a blink of eye, the minority become the majority'. (quoting thisisalmostit).
Michaels message at the memorial was to 'Raise our voice as one' and look where we are. This is not about staying in our bubble for safety, it's about blowing this bubble bigger to make it more visible.
Many started their journey here, one year ago to find out the truth about Michael and look how much more we have discovered, this is a journey and we need to provide a starting point for the rest of humanity to join us and this is Elvis, then Michael and then the truth of our world in it's many aspects. People have the freedom to believe what they feel is right and what they feel is the truth. Once all truths have come to light, we will be a very strong force for good and this is what Michaels mission is. Awakening humanity by creating the biggest lie and giving us clues to the truth, this has taught us how to find the truth by fitting pieces of information together and seeing the bigger picture.
Our numbers need to grow now, we are over one year in and it's time to make HIStory more visible to the world.
Beautifully written Believe777! I am with you in this - 100% :D
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Thank you Mo for bringing these videos back to help remind us of why we are here. To me, this isn't just about Michael anymore. Whether he comes back or not isn't relevant to me anymore and I think that Michael doesn't want us to concentrate on him so much as he wants us to concentrate on his "Message." I honestly don't understand why more people aren't understanding this...it really baffles me. But then when you have been conditioned and brainwashed for such a long period of time, I guess it takes some people longer, before the light bulb goes off and they realize the "truth".
Believe777...I agree that the video "cry" does say it all! I have posted that video a few times on here because I thought if more people actually listened to the lyrics, that they would see how Michael is telling us what we have to do. I think I will re-post it once more here in hopes that a few more will see the connection.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwCxwocyuAY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwCxwocyuAY)
I also agree with ALL you have said Believe777! Thanks for your words. Now, lets go open some more eyes my friends! I love you all...we are really lucky that we have this place to come, where we can voice our opinions and thoughts without being called "crazy". I for one will be glad when the day comes that the world will see that we aren't the "crazy" ones! That is the only part of this whole thing that really disturbs me. People, even some of my own family members, think that I have completely lost touch with reality, when all I am doing is trying to spread love and awareness to others. I truly believe in the power of Love and I truly want to live in a world without suffering, hunger, war and corruption, yet "I" am "crazy"! Oh well, one day the "truth will prevail". For now I can only tell everyone that everything I do and say, is really done with nothing but 100% pure LOVE...from my heart. I am so thankful to Michael and to MO and Souza and TS, for everything they have done to help us realize the "truth". I am truly grateful for the "HIStory" lesson! So, again...Thank you!
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
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Well said Emerald!As you said, none of us really know for sure the "exact" reason Michael hoaxed his death, but it is clear that he wants us to be more "perceptive" and he wants us to think for ourselves, rather then believe all the "garbage" that has been spoon fed to us, over the years. Each of us has had our own experiences throughout this journey and the important thing that I hope we all take from this is that we CAN make a difference in this world. We just need to Love ourselves enough to Want to make a difference and we need to Believe that we will make a difference! It really is "All For Love".
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Thank you mjj4ever777 for a very thought-provoking post. I, too, felt "drawn" to the hoax forums at the beginning and it has been a learning experience ever since. Michael has used his genius to create a platform from where he can teach us a whole series of lessons, each one revealing the truth about certain aspects of the world we live in. Some people were ready from the beginning to delve deeper, while others needed a little more "coaxing". We fear what we cannot understand and that's why some people have steered away from threads concerning the Illuminati, NWO, HAARP, or spiritual and religious subjects. No-one here can say "I know the exact reason Michael hoaxed his death". We can only speculate as to his true motives. But we have been given enough evidence through the clues left behind that Michael has done this so that we will know the TRUTH - in whatever shape or form that may take. He wants our eyes to be opened and for us to think for ourselves, rather than be spoon fed by those controlling the media. It may be presumptuous to say we are "the chosen ones", but I do believe we have been drawn to these forums for a specific reason, and that is the share the truths we have learned with others out there who are ready to receive it. I recall Jermaine saying "an AVALANCHE of TRUTH is coming". Let us be the catalyst for this to take place. Love & peace to all, Emerald xo
I agree 1000% Emerald :D
Very well said ;)
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mjj4ever777, excellent, there is nothing to add, ;) But please that is "Sheeple"., I not that it means :oops:
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mjj4ever777, excellent, there is nothing to add, ;) But please that is "Sheeple"., I not that it means :oops:
The term "sheeple" is a combination of the words SHEEP and PEOPLE. In general it means people who don't think for themselves and prefer to follow the herd, like sheep do. mj4ever777 gave definitions of "sheeple" in her post. You can also look it up on
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheeple (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sheeple)
Love & peace, Emerald
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John 16 (Amplified Bible)
John 16
Jesus' Warning
1 I HAVE told you all these things, so that you should not be offended (taken unawares and falter, or be caused to stumble and fall away). [I told you to keep you from being scandalized and repelled.]
2 They will put you out of (expel you from) the synagogues; but an hour is coming when whoever kills you will think and claim that he has offered service to God.
3 And they will do this because they have not known the Father or Me.
4 But I have told you these things now, so that when they occur you will remember that I told you of them. I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
5 But now I am going to Him Who sent Me, yet none of you asks Me, Where are You going?
6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your hearts [taken complete possession of them].
7 However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you [into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you [to be in close fellowship with you].
8 And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment:
9 About sin, because they do not believe in Me [trust in, rely on, and adhere to Me];
10 About righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God), because I go to My Father, and you will see Me no longer;
11 About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him.
12 I have still many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them or to take them upon you or to grasp them now.
13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth (the Truth-giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth (the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message [on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears [from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come [that will happen in the future].
14 He will honor and glorify Me, because He will take of (receive, draw upon) what is Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.
15 Everything that the Father has is Mine. That is what I meant when I said that He [the Spirit] will take the things that are Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.
16 In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me.
17 So some of His disciples questioned among themselves, What does He mean when He tells us, In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me, and, Because I go to My Father?
18 What does He mean by a little while? We do not know or understand what He is talking about.
19 Jesus knew that they wanted to ask Him, so He said to them, Are you wondering and inquiring among yourselves what I meant when I said, In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me?
20 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that you shall weep and grieve, but the world will rejoice. You will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy.
21 A woman, when she gives birth to a child, has grief (anguish, agony) because her time has come. But when she has delivered the child, she no longer remembers her pain (trouble, anguish) because she is so glad that a man (a child, a human being) has been born into the world.
22 So for the present you are also in sorrow (in distress and depressed); but I will see you again and [then] your hearts will rejoice, and no one can take from you your joy (gladness, delight).
23 And when that time comes, you will ask nothing of Me [you will need to ask Me no questions]. I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that My Father will grant you whatever you ask in My Name [as presenting all that I AM].
24 Up to this time you have not asked a [single] thing in My Name [as presenting all that I AM]; but now ask and keep on asking and you will receive, so that your joy (gladness, delight) may be full and complete.
25 I have told you these things in parables (veiled language, allegories, dark sayings); the hour is now coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but I shall tell you about the Father in plain words and openly (without reserve).
26 At that time you will ask (pray) in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf [for it will be unnecessary].
27 For the Father Himself [tenderly] loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from the Father.
28 I came out from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father.
29 His disciples said, Ah, now You are speaking plainly to us and not in parables (veiled language and figures of speech)!
30 Now we know that You are acquainted with everything and have no need to be asked questions. Because of this we believe that you [really] came from God.
31 Jesus answered them, Do you now believe? [Do you believe it at last?]
32 But take notice, the hour is coming, and it has arrived, when you will all be dispersed and scattered, every man to his own home, leaving Me alone. Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
33 I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world. [I have deprived it of power to harm you and have conquered it for you.]
[youtube:3kaibxdu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ[/youtube:3kaibxdu]
It's ALL FOR
L.O.V.E.
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thanks emeraldcity ;)
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John 16 (Amplified Bible)
John 16
Jesus' Warning
1 I HAVE told you all these things, so that you should not be offended (taken unawares and falter, or be caused to stumble and fall away). [I told you to keep you from being scandalized and repelled.]
2 They will put you out of (expel you from) the synagogues; but an hour is coming when whoever kills you will think and claim that he has offered service to God.
3 And they will do this because they have not known the Father or Me.
4 But I have told you these things now, so that when they occur you will remember that I told you of them. I did not say these things to you from the beginning, because I was with you.
5 But now I am going to Him Who sent Me, yet none of you asks Me, Where are You going?
6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your hearts [taken complete possession of them].
7 However, I am telling you nothing but the truth when I say it is profitable (good, expedient, advantageous) for you that I go away. Because if I do not go away, the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Advocate, Intercessor, Strengthener, Standby) will not come to you [into close fellowship with you]; but if I go away, I will send Him to you [to be in close fellowship with you].
8 And when He comes, He will convict and convince the world and bring demonstration to it about sin and about righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God) and about judgment:
9 About sin, because they do not believe in Me [trust in, rely on, and adhere to Me];
10 About righteousness (uprightness of heart and right standing with God), because I go to My Father, and you will see Me no longer;
11 About judgment, because the ruler (evil genius, prince) of this world [Satan] is judged and condemned and sentence already is passed upon him.
12 I have still many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them or to take them upon you or to grasp them now.
13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth (the Truth-giving Spirit) comes, He will guide you into all the Truth (the whole, full Truth). For He will not speak His own message [on His own authority]; but He will tell whatever He hears [from the Father; He will give the message that has been given to Him], and He will announce and declare to you the things that are to come [that will happen in the future].
14 He will honor and glorify Me, because He will take of (receive, draw upon) what is Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.
15 Everything that the Father has is Mine. That is what I meant when I said that He [the Spirit] will take the things that are Mine and will reveal (declare, disclose, transmit) it to you.
16 In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me.
17 So some of His disciples questioned among themselves, What does He mean when He tells us, In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me, and, Because I go to My Father?
18 What does He mean by a little while? We do not know or understand what He is talking about.
19 Jesus knew that they wanted to ask Him, so He said to them, Are you wondering and inquiring among yourselves what I meant when I said, In a little while you will no longer see Me, and again after a short while you will see Me?
20 I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that you shall weep and grieve, but the world will rejoice. You will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy.
21 A woman, when she gives birth to a child, has grief (anguish, agony) because her time has come. But when she has delivered the child, she no longer remembers her pain (trouble, anguish) because she is so glad that a man (a child, a human being) has been born into the world.
22 So for the present you are also in sorrow (in distress and depressed); but I will see you again and [then] your hearts will rejoice, and no one can take from you your joy (gladness, delight).
23 And when that time comes, you will ask nothing of Me [you will need to ask Me no questions]. I assure you, most solemnly I tell you, that My Father will grant you whatever you ask in My Name [as presenting all that I AM].
24 Up to this time you have not asked a [single] thing in My Name [as presenting all that I AM]; but now ask and keep on asking and you will receive, so that your joy (gladness, delight) may be full and complete.
25 I have told you these things in parables (veiled language, allegories, dark sayings); the hour is now coming when I shall no longer speak to you in figures of speech, but I shall tell you about the Father in plain words and openly (without reserve).
26 At that time you will ask (pray) in My Name; and I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf [for it will be unnecessary].
27 For the Father Himself [tenderly] loves you because you have loved Me and have believed that I came out from the Father.
28 I came out from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father.
29 His disciples said, Ah, now You are speaking plainly to us and not in parables (veiled language and figures of speech)!
30 Now we know that You are acquainted with everything and have no need to be asked questions. Because of this we believe that you [really] came from God.
31 Jesus answered them, Do you now believe? [Do you believe it at last?]
32 But take notice, the hour is coming, and it has arrived, when you will all be dispersed and scattered, every man to his own home, leaving Me alone. Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
33 I have told you these things, so that in Me you may have [perfect] peace and confidence. In the world you have tribulation and trials and distress and frustration; but be of good cheer [take courage; be confident, certain, undaunted]! For I have overcome the world. [I have deprived it of power to harm you and have conquered it for you.]
[youtube:1g45maxx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvYygjcMDdQ[/youtube:1g45maxx]
It's ALL FOR
L.O.V.E.
Thank you and AMEN! I just got goosebumps reading this! The relation to Michael and what he is doing is astounding..to say the least. I have felt that I have had a "spiritual" awakening during this journey and I firmly believe that Michael was the "chosen one", the one who was to deliver this message to us. All I can say is WOW and God Bless all of us!!
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I would like to add a testimony of a recent event concerning my family. Originally, I had been told by my highly educated daughter that I'm in denial about MJ hoaxing his death and I need to let go. It hurt a little, but didn't stop me from beLIEving. Then the Sun article broke in the UK where she lives and she and her fiance watched the Dave Dave clips, and began to research into the hoax. They were starting to open up to it. They have just been on a holiday home in Aus and questioned me the whole time concerning aspects of the hoax and why? We watched TII together and disected and talked about it. In short, because of the media coverage that The Sun gave the hoax, my own children came and asked me about something they had so readily dismissed previously as just Mum being a weirdo. I would like to see this hoax hit the main stream media as I have one family member looking into it and aware, but many more to go.........cheers Robyn
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
I have a question for those who need reassurance from TS on the whole elvisandmj thing. Why would TS even bring up the subject of Elvis and MJ if it wasn't relevant to the hoax? Why would he mention the "Elvis" connection at all if he didn't want us to investigate it further? With the upcoming court date with Eliza in August, this is all going to come out to the public anyway, so what is the big deal of trying to get the media to open up to the idea now? I don't believe that Elvis is going to come back, but it will be obvious to everyone that he is alive, soon. The whole idea is to get the media to warm up to the idea that Michael could have actually hoaxed his death, because Elvis hoaxed his also. The reasons are different and the outcome will be different, but it will make it more plausible that Mj faked his death, when in connection with the "elvis/ Eliza story. We just need to find a way to "pique" the media's interest...plain and simple.
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Can someone please tell me how you know michael would want you to go to the media with this?? Did he tell you?? Did he ask you?? The media is michaels worst enemy why in the world would he want you to go to them and tell them he faked his death? I don't understand why you would do this its going to hurt him more then anything. Michael is in danger dont you get that. It's really selfish what you guys are doing.. your not doing it for love or for michaels message your trying to smoke him out so you can get your concerts or your photos its sick. Let the man be.. Continue to investigate that's fine but please stop going to the media. Please! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
I have a question for those who need reassurance from TS on the whole elvisandmj thing. Why would TS even bring up the subject of Elvis and MJ if it wasn't relevant to the hoax? Why would he mention the "Elvis" connection at all if he didn't want us to investigate it further? With the upcoming court date with Eliza in August, this is all going to come out to the public anyway, so what is the big deal of trying to get the media to open up to the idea now? I don't believe that Elvis is going to come back, but it will be obvious to everyone that he is alive, soon. The whole idea is to get the media to warm up to the idea that Michael could have actually hoaxed his death, because Elvis hoaxed his also. The reasons are different and the outcome will be different, but it will make it more plausible that Mj faked his death, when in connection with the "elvis/ Eliza story. We just need to find a way to "pique" the media's interest...plain and simple.
my thing is why not wait until elizas court date is over to go to media when she can definitely proove that elvis is alive. and then if you want to present michaels case at least you will have solid proof and not just speculation. i think you guys really need to rethink this.
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I have not posted in a while. But I've been thinking a lot of things over, so, I guess, here's a condensed version of my thoughts...
I haven't been here for that long. You can use that against me all you want. But in the short time I've been here, my opinions are slowly beginning to change. Not even about TS or their credibility...But about the angle we're approaching this entire situation. The only reason I can think of that the twitter rallies did not work, is because people have to want the information to begin with. You can't make people read these things, much less believe them. Most people who have an open mind to begin with or are open to idea, are lured to the information of their own accord. That is why there was so much conflict. But that's irrelevant now, I suppose.
I have a feeling that mass-producing this story is only going to twist it out of proportion. My personal concern isn't what's going to happen with the message, though; It's how the world is able to perceive it.
And you know what? come to think of it even THEN, It's ok. It's alright that people have a difference of opinion, not only in the world, but here on this very site...That's human nature. Of course all these moves are going to have people upset one way or another. All I'm asking is that everyone put things into perspective, from all angles, for a moment. See where everyone is coming from with their difference of ideas about what MJ's message could possibly be.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is, Don't squash someone's idea just because you wholeheartedly agree 100% with the moves being made here. Same goes for people that don't 100% agree. This is two sides of a single coin. Once word gets out (and that's one way or another), there's going to be so many angles on this story from so many people anyway.
And you know what? That's alright.
Personally- I'm not quite with this idea. Somehow, I just don't think this is the way to do it. But that doesn't mean I don't know where the people that are with it are coming from.
And also, I think it's just fine that people here are using their discretion on where and what they wish to put their time, energy and beliefs into. The only issue is the hate against the opposing ideas. If you don't agree then just do your own thing, there isn't a need to bash anyone else's idea.
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i also wanted to talk about michaels message. i keep hearing everyone talking about his message as if it were something that was complicated. the message i got from his son prince was that michaels message was simple love he wants to put love back in the world. now i really dont recall hearing another message unless i just totally missed something and if i have i would really appreciate it if someone would show me where michael or one of his family members said his message was something else
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
Can someone please tell me how you know michael would want you to go to the media with this?? Did he tell you?? Did he ask you?? The media is michaels worst enemy why in the world would he want you to go to them and tell them he faked his death? I don't understand why you would do this its going to hurt him more then anything. Michael is in danger dont you get that. It's really selfish what you guys are doing.. your not doing it for love or for michaels message your trying to smoke him out so you can get your concerts or your photos its sick. Let the man be.. Continue to investigate that's fine but please stop going to the media. Please! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical ... euroticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology#Self-realization_and_neuroticism)
Self-realization and neuroticism
Main articles: Self-realization and Neuroticism
An innate need for self-realization leads people to explore and integrate these rejected materials. This natural process is called individuation, or the process of becoming an individual.
According to Jung, self-realization can be divided into two distinct tiers. In the first half of our lives we separate from humanity. We attempt to create our own identities (I, myself). This is why there is such a need for young men to be destructive, and can be expressed as animosity from teens directed at their parents. Jung also said we have a sort of “second puberty” that occurs between 35-40- outlook shifts from emphasis on materialism, sexuality, and having children to concerns about community and spirituality.
In the second half of our lives, humans reunite with the human race. They become part of the collective once again. This is when adults start to contribute to humanity (volunteer time, build, garden, create art, etc.) rather than destroy. They are also more likely to pay attention to their unconscious and conscious feelings. Young men rarely say "I feel angry." or "I feel sad.” This is because they have not yet rejoined the human collective experience, commonly reestablished in their older, wiser years, according to Jung. A common theme is for young rebels to "search" for their true selves and realize that a contribution to humanity is essentially a necessity for a whole self.
Jung proposes that the ultimate goal of the collective unconscious and self-realization is to pull us to the highest experience. This, of course, is spiritual.
If a person does not proceed toward self-knowledge, neurotic symptoms may arise. Symptoms are widely defined, including, for instance, phobias, fetishism, and depression.
Shadow
The shadow is an unconscious complex defined as the repressed, suppressed or disowned qualities of the conscious self. According to Jung, the human being deals with the reality of the shadow in four ways: denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. According to Analytical psychology, a person's shadow may have both constructive and destructive aspects. In its more destructive aspects, the shadow can represent those things which people do not accept about themselves. For instance, the shadow of someone who identifies as being kind may be harsh or unkind. Conversely, the shadow of a person who is brutal may be gentle. In its more constructive aspects, a person's shadow may represent hidden positive qualities. This has been referred to as the "gold in the shadow". Jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness in order to avoid projecting shadow qualities on others.
The shadow in dreams is often represented by dark figures of the same gender as the dreamer.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs)
Deficiency needs
The lower four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": physiological (including sexuality), security of position, friendship and love, and esteem. With the exception of the lowest (physiological) needs, if these "deficiency needs" are not met, the body gives no physical indication but the individual feels anxious and tense.In other words, the hierarchy level of need moves upwards as soon as the previous level of need is satisfied.
Physiological needs
For the most part, physiological needs are obvious—they are the literal requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met (with the exception of clothing, shelter, and sexual activity), the human body simply cannot continue to function.
Physiological needs include:
Breathing
Food
Homeostasis
Sex
Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species.
Safety needs
With their physical needs relatively satisfied, the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. These needs have to do with people's yearning for a predictable orderly world in which perceived unfairness and inconsistency are under control, the familiar frequent and the unfamiliar rare. In the world of work, these safety needs manifest themselves in such things as a preference for job security, grievance procedures for protecting the individual from unilateral authority, savings accounts, insurance policies, reasonable disability accommodations, and the like.
Safety and Security needs include:
Personal security
Financial security
Health and well-being
Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts
Love and Belonging
After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third layer of human needs are social and involve feelings of belongingness. This aspect of Maslow's hierarchy involves emotionally based relationships in general, such as:
Friendship
Intimacy
Family
Humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, whether it comes from a large social group, such as clubs, office culture, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, gangs, or small social connections (family members, intimate partners, mentors, close colleagues, confidants). They need to love and be loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others. In the absence of these elements, many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression. This need for belonging can often overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure; an anorexic, for example, may ignore the need to eat and the security of health for a feeling of control and belonging.
Peace
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I don't mind goin to media as long as we aren't just copy pasting any Tom dick n Harry on the list of email addresses to be sent to. The whole point here is to sound and come across as someone serious and real, that we mean business.
I can deal with us creating something official and well presented list of stuff with backed up evidence 'vs. just statements that could be used against us (the sun episode). since many websites and people know about this forum already, I am not worried about keeping MJ alive a secret. But to me linking him with Elvis will be suicidal.
Imagine this scenario:
'Hey guys chk this out. MJ is alive and he hoaxed his death. We have clues that show he did it the Elvis way who by the way is alive too'..
Even I, a believer, won't buy that let alone trying to make the world believe it excluding the ones who do already.
Nothings been officially proven about Elvis yet other than his DNA case being in the news so I don't see a point using a speculation as a reference to prove another well considered speculation.
Saying that, plz count me out out on the ElvisMj stuff with all due respect :)
We need to start somewhere and I think we should start by mailing the media about ElvisAndMJ.com. If we collect the e-mail addresses of various media outlets here I think all of us should mail them about the site.
There are some excellent writers here and I want to ask you if some of you could make a draft e-mail, so everyone can mail the same info/evidence to the media. This should include of course the website url, videos about the DNA evidence, links to articles and blogs about Eliza's case and good arguments as to why it's obvious that both men are still alive and kicking.
If we mail enough media outlets (worldwide) we might get some of them to report about it. And as we have seen with the Sun article, it can snowball from there.
The mailing list so far:
Sallie.Hofmeister@latimes.com (http://mailto:Sallie.Hofmeister@latimes.com); publisher@nytimes.com (http://mailto:publisher@nytimes.com); thearts@nytimes.com (http://mailto:thearts@nytimes.com); stonline@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:stonline@sph.com.sg); tnp@sph.com.sg (http://mailto:tnp@sph.com.sg); feedback@inquirer.com.ph (http://mailto:feedback@inquirer.com.ph); editor@nationgroup.com (http://mailto:editor@nationgroup.com); editor@thedailystar.net (http://mailto:editor@thedailystar.net); khyu@heraldm.com (http://mailto:khyu@heraldm.com); webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw (http://mailto:webeditor@mail.chinapost.com.tw); Malini.Faasen@bnn.nl (http://mailto:Malini.Faasen@bnn.nl); monika.van.der.marel@sbs.nl (http://mailto:monika.van.der.marel@sbs.nl); redactie-i@telegraaf.nl (http://mailto:redactie-i@telegraaf.nl); ad@ad.nl (http://mailto:ad@ad.nl); redactie@nu.nl (http://mailto:redactie@nu.nl); You are not allowed to view links.
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The tweet list so far:
@petervdvorst
@gerardekdom
@giel3fm
@EversStaatOp538
@ruuddewild
@stcom
@thenewpaper
@inquirerdotnet
@nationnews
@NgTzeYong
@latimescitydesk
@latimeslocal
@lanow
@Oregon_Live
@cnnbrk
@HuffingtonPost
If everyone can gather e-mail addresses (and/or Twitter accounts) in this thread, and a few can make a good strong e-mail draft, we can all mail them at once. I will copy all the addresses and Twitter accounts in this post, so it will be easy to copy and paste. Please add as much e-mail addresses etc. from your country/state. Let's see if they will still ignore it.
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I'm under the belief that it's perfectly normal to have opposing ideas as to what could happen. like I said, this is merely two sides to a single coin. I'm sorry, but I like questioning the goings-on of what happens here. I simply have to. Not because I don't have faith, or because I rebel against this idea, but because I want to come to my own conclusion and my own choice.
I'd be more than happy to involve myself in discussions here and ACTIONS of love on and off the forums. But this just isn't one of the movements I'll be involved in, because I came to my own conclusions and choose not to.It's as simple as that. I have tons of faith. But there is only a certain level of faith and trust that I extend to this forum and the people on it. I am not rebelling. I am simply making my choice. :D
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With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
I don't see this as a rebellion. I see this as people having different opinions. I, for one, am not for the ElvisandMJ thing. How is that rebellion? If people want to tweet it everywhere - great - but it doesn't resonate with me and obviously many others here. My gut told me something wasn't right about Michael's "death" and I followed it here. My gut is also telling me that the ElvisandMJ campaign is hurting rather than helping - at least right now. Most people don't believe Michael hoaxed his death, and throwing Elvis into the mix is just going to close them off even more, IMHO, because they've heard it all before - hell, Elvis sightings are a running joke in popular culture. I still cringe when I see the logo on the home page of this site. I think it turns more people away than not. It's not like the Eliza thing is front page news for the majority of the world. If it's proven that Elvis is still alive, THEN maybe that would open the door for a lot of people to believe the same about Michael. Right now, though, it feels like we're being enlisted on a campaign for Eliza - not so much Michael - and sorry, but count me out.
When I saw the redirect to Jermaine's tweet about the Army of Love, I didn't think of ElvisandMJ because, frankly, one does not equal the other. There have been a few active threads lately bashing Jermaine pretty badly. I thought maybe the message was a reminder to everyone that he is part of all of this in support of Michael, so we should cut him a little slack and not be so quick to judge.
I AM a member of MIchael's Army of Love, even if I don't have a red user name or tweet ElvisandMJ.
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Omg you stole the words outta my mind.. I been sayin the same about using elvismj link.. Like minds think alike my friend
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
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Omg you stole the words outta my mind.. I been sayin the same about using elvismj link.. Like minds think alike my friend
But not about Elvis.. doesn't matter where Michael got the idea from (he could have perfectly been inspired by Skaggs and his "Final Curtain" and not Elvis).. if you want to contact the media at least it has to be with some believable and credible information, and something only about Michael, we're not investigating Elvis's death.. Do you imagine how will he be portrayed again "wacko jacko is still alive and he got the idea of faking his death from elvis, who also hoaxed his death" ? .. That hurts, the media has no feelings. F*ck the press, if they want exclusives and if they are interested in elvisandmj.dot let them get the info for their own and create their own article, but not from us. I don't want to take Michael to the media. Never. Let him make his comeback and shock the world
Ok, that was all I wanted to say..peace,
Same here.
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Today's TIAI redirect: http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/10355780029)
"Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J"
hey guys, firstly i'm not one to jump at anyone's throat whether you agree or disagree about the media thing. i totally understand that anyone against it is cautious and doing it out of love for Michael's safety and reputation. we all HATE how the media tried to tear him down in the past.
yet this time TS and the family (as redirected today to the AllJack5ons tweet) are suggesting we GO to the media. do you think, for a moment, that TS or any of the family would try to do something to harm Michael? or do you think Michael would not have a backup plan if things went wrong? If this is the direction we're being pushed towards, then I have faith that it is exactly part of Michael's plan in the hoax. If we're not doing it, we could be hindering the hoax and slow down the process of his return.
there's no clear or concrete way of the family or Michael approving of this move, just like how they CANNOT openly say that Michael is still alive, at this point. The tweet that TS has redirected to, to me, is clear enough affirmation from the family.
What we're presenting to the media are pure FACTS, and not our own opinions. let's see how much the media can twist hard, concrete facts. any responsible media, which are the ones we are targetting (NOT TABLOIDS AT ALL), would check and verify the facts we're presenting then decide whether to publish it. if they do, great, because important information is being disseminated.
as for the questions about why the focus on Elvis is so important... I don't know the reason why exactly, it could be as what others have pointed out, that Elvis being alive makes it easier for people to believe that MJ is alive; Elvis and MJ being BOTH alive have a greater BAM impact, literally getting the world's focus on why they would do it hence easier to spread MJ's message? How i reasoned this is... MJ SHOWED that Elvis is important... why else would he marry (or convinced the public that he married) Lisa-Marie Presley?
i really hope we stand in unity in this issue...
love you guys. <3
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Just thinking about another angle to this. We know that Michael is genius and thinks ahead as a chess player would. Do you not think he would have realized a reference to a combo of Elvis and MJ might spell trouble and division in the ranks of fans. Fine for fans who also love Elvis, and on the other side, I'm sure that pure die-hard Elvis fans likely want no association with MJ. Many maybe most of us here are uncomfortable with Elvis thrown into the main focus, other than showing the similarities and that's all.
What if Michael wants the controversy and division, and wants to start a little hopefully friendly war between the kings. I just believe Michael foresaw this all, this tweeting message being a lump we are finding hard to swallow. Here is part of the Diane Sawyer interview.
Diane: (About the History video) Well the critics have said that it's the most "body vain, glorious, self-deification a pop singer ever undertook with a straight face".
Michael: Good! That's what I wanted.
Diane: For the controversy?
Michael: Yeah!
Diane: And they...
Michael: They fell into my trap.
Diane: But the people who say that...
Michael: I wanted everybody's attention.
I believe he's reading our discussion. And the Bobby Fischer story thrown in, is more than just about DNA and exhuming his body. It's the chess strategy in this stage of the grand scheme of the hoax.
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What if Michael wants the controversy and division, and wants to start a little hopefully friendly war between the kings. I just believe Michael foresaw this all, this tweeting message being a lump we are finding hard to swallow. Here is part of the Diane Sawyer interview.
Diane: (About the History video) Well the critics have said that it's the most "body vain, glorious, self-deification a pop singer ever undertook with a straight face".
Michael: Good! That's what I wanted.
Diane: For the controversy?
Michael: Yeah!
Diane: And they...
Michael: They fell into my trap.
Diane: But the people who say that...
Michael: I wanted everybody's attention.
MJonmind, how spooky - I suddenly remembered this interview just half an hour ago as I was getting dressed! MJ loves attention and controversy - he knows how to use the media for his own purposes. Dont'ya just love that mind!
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everyonehas his own opinion, i'm still sure that it doesnt smell good, i keep on spreading his message, informing people about Illuminati(i was aware of them many many years ago before this hoax), i keep on informing people about 2012 but i know one thing for sure-the media is crap, they are heartless, cruel and yes, Michael hated them so strongly and i'm almost sure he wouldnt have wanted us to be envolved with them in any way, they will ridicule us, call him bad names once again, call us crazy, have u forgottten about that disgusting article about MJ prined a couple of weeks ago, i mean even after his "death" they keep on ridiculing him, offending him,calling him wacko-jacko and us-crazy wacko jacko's cray fans, beside we all know that they are working for the illuminaty, they are illuminaty puppets, so u are free to do what u want to do :) it's only my opinion and i don't support it, maybe i'm wrong but it's still my opinion
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"Battle brewing in the forum"
We can agree to disagree. Some people are deeply against this action, that's fine, we cannot convince them and they have the right to disapprove. What do we do now ?
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everyonehas his own opinion, i'm still sure that it doesnt smell good, i keep on spreading his message, informing people about Illuminati(i was aware of them many many years ago before this hoax), i keep on informing people about 2012 but i know one thing for sure-the media is crap, they are heartless, cruel and yes, Michael hated them so strongly and i'm almost sure he wouldnt have wanted us to be envolved with them in any way, they will ridicule us, call him bad names once again, call us crazy, have u forgottten about that disgusting article about MJ prined a couple of weeks ago, i mean even after his "death" they keep on ridiculing him, offending him,calling him wacko-jacko and us-crazy wacko jacko's cray fans, beside we all know that they are working for the illuminaty, they are illuminaty puppets, so u are free to do what u want to do :) it's only my opinion and i don't support it, maybe i'm wrong but it's still my opinion
Not all of the media are illuminati puppets. May I suggest you start reading The Huffington Post? Harvey is an illuminati puppet..? I don't think so, and neither do I think that Larry King is one, in fact I'm very sure about that. There's media, and there's media.
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"Battle brewing in the forum"
We can agree to disagree. Some people are deeply against this action, that's fine, we cannot convince them and they have the right to disapprove. What do we do now ?
In our small german forum on this site are actively involved only 7-8 members. In the last days, the forum was divided into those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom and those who are against it. Even in our little discussions, it's difficult to convince people that it could be right to support such action. They call themselves all Soldier of the Army of L.O.V.E. But when it comes to step into action, they don't want to join.
Maybe it's up to those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom to take a final decision. All members of this forums will never agree on this matter. If we wait for this moment, we will never be able to accomplish a change. We can discuss many more months without finding a solution. Or we put a time limit on the decision whether we go to the press or not.
I wish for nothing more than a decision with which everyone can be happy!
We are here for Michael. We are here to spread his message. We are here to support him and protect him. We are NOT here to hurt him. We make the decision FOR the media not AGAINST him. Please always remember.
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"Battle brewing in the forum"
We can agree to disagree. Some people are deeply against this action, that's fine, we cannot convince them and they have the right to disapprove. What do we do now ?
In our small german forum on this site are actively involved only 7-8 members. In the last days, the forum was divided into those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom and those who are against it. Even in our little discussions, it's difficult to convince people that it could be right to support such action. They call themselves all Soldier of the Army of L.O.V.E. But when it comes to step into action, they don't want to join.
Maybe it's up to those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom to take a final decision. All members of this forums will never agree on this matter. If we wait for this moment, we will never be able to accomplish a change. We can discuss many more months without finding a solution. Or we put a time limit on the decision whether we go to the press or not.
I wish for nothing more than a decision with which everyone can be happy!
We are here for Michael. We are here to spread his message. We are here to support him and protect him. We are NOT here to hurt him. We make the decision FOR the media not AGAINST him. Please always remember.
Yes I totally agree we can argue for months even years about that while time is running out. Now I don't know how things will evolve and not everybody has voiced his/her opinion we actually don't know if there are more cons than pros. Status quo.
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It is my belief that pro-actively going to the media with the right message is right and I would like to support this effort, my current dilemma is however twofold:
1. Some remaining doubts with the Eliza story
"Eliza Presley" biological mother (Florence Sharp Clark) denies having had a relationship with either Vernon or Elvis
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... -of-elvis/ (http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/07/mom-daughter-not-sister-of-elvis/)
The dates for the hearing in Shelby County Chancery Court may have been set but I have not managed to get any confirmation of this. I however found some reference to the date the case was filed in the Menphis daily news, I was unable to get any relevant information from the County Court website.
http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.asp ... 2009#court (http://memphisdailynews.com/Notices.aspx?noticesDate=9/4/2009#court)
Whilst I do agree that DNA evidences are indeed very strong evidences, the leap of faith here is about assuming that the source of the samples was not tampered with. (How did Suzanne Stratford of Fox 8 News procure a sample from Jesse? - I did not work this one out)
2.Directing the press to current http://www.Elvisandmj.com (http://www.Elvisandmj.com)
The content of the site may be quite difficult to understand for the non-initiate and much would need to go into the briefing to help understanding and avoid confusion and possible ridicule. (NB. I talk about the press from experience)
With L.O.V.E and to move us further forward
I agree with TheRunningGirl. I'm on the fence on this issue. I can see how making the media aware of ElvisandMJ.com and bringing more attention to the site would be a good thing IF Elvis is still alive. However, we do not have proof that Elvis is alive and hoaxed his death. We have proof that Eliza Presley has DNA evidence that she is related to someone by the name of Jesse Presley who claims to be Elvis. This could easily be resolved and moved forward by a DNA sample from LMP......however, she has declined. If Jesse is Elvis and he is happy to provide his DNA to help Eliza's cause provided his location isn't revealed, I don't see why LMP can't do the same. Her reason, apparently, is that if she does it for Eliza she would be obliged to do it for all the other similar claims!
Also, I may be persuaded to offer my support if we had a clear sign that this is what Michael wants us to do. I was hopeful when I initially saw today's TIAI redirect until I realised that this tweet is 4 months old and doesn't necessarily refer to ElivsandMJ.com in the media.
I think to resolve this issue we need a clearer sign from MJ.
L.O.V.E.
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"Battle brewing in the forum"
We can agree to disagree. Some people are deeply against this action, that's fine, we cannot convince them and they have the right to disapprove. What do we do now ?
In our small german forum on this site are actively involved only 7-8 members. In the last days, the forum was divided into those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom and those who are against it. Even in our little discussions, it's difficult to convince people that it could be right to support such action. They call themselves all Soldier of the Army of L.O.V.E. But when it comes to step into action, they don't want to join.
Maybe it's up to those who stand behind #elvisandmjdotcom to take a final decision. All members of this forums will never agree on this matter. If we wait for this moment, we will never be able to accomplish a change. We can discuss many more months without finding a solution. Or we put a time limit on the decision whether we go to the press or not.
I wish for nothing more than a decision with which everyone can be happy!
We are here for Michael. We are here to spread his message. We are here to support him and protect him. We are NOT here to hurt him. We make the decision FOR the media not AGAINST him. Please always remember.
Yes I totally agree we can argue for months even years about that while time is running out. Now I don't know how things will evolve and not everybody has voiced his/her opinion we actually don't know if there are more cons than pros. Status quo.
I agree. Even if no one would help. I would do it alone. I hope that those that do want to help out, will help gathering the e-mail addresses and twitter accounts, so we really can take action. I think the discussion is clear and I really don't think more will agree, and that's ok, I understand their point as well, although I am convinced that this needs to be done.
So I'd love to see more e-mail addresses.
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i still think its a bad idea because first of all we dont know why he did this we are only guessing and noone knows the real answer. as far as michaels message i thought his son prince made it perfectly clear as to what his message is and its simple love. i am pretty sure that everyone knows that michael cant talk to us right now that is why he has his family, tmz, and larry king giving us clues and hints along the way. we should wait for them to give us the word to spread this to the media and they will when the time is right just be patient isnt that what michael asked of us. dont be in such a big hurry to run and tell the things you know. ;) and as far as eliza goes why would she even be thinking about exposing her brother i thought she only set out to find her father and she did that so why expose elvis i dont think its right for her to do her brother like that its obvious that he didnt want to come back cause if he did he would have done so yrs ago.
Ok but don't you believe TS is giving clues too ? It's like for TMZ, it's the same TS is legit.
What are your thoughts on this TMZ article
La Toya: Michael Wanted to Teach Bubbles to Talk
Michael Jackson spent thousands of dollars on research to see if it was possible to perform a medical procedure on his beloved pet Bubbles that would give him the ability to speak ... this according to an interview with his sister La Toya
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2d1771t.jpg)
Michael eventually came to realize that any such procedure would be too risky, but not after flying in experts. La Toya told News of the World, "... He wanted to give him vocal chords and asked doctors, 'Can I give him an operation so that I can know what his thoughts are?'"
La Toya says the most Bubbles ever mustered up was the occasional bark or grunt.
http://www.tmz.com/ (http://www.tmz.com/)
To me it's clear.
Sarahli, can you explain what's clear about this TMZ article? Are you connecting some dots here? When I first saw this I thought it was just another mindless piece of garbage that is making a mockery of MJ, again!
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I believe that TMZ is giving clues. To me it's part of the plan, there are characters in play and TMZ = tabloid. However I don't base my faith that we must go to the medias only on this article. It's much more than that of course.
We obviously have not the same vision on the hoax, that's all. If you don't want to believe it it's ok this is just my intrepretation of the article and I can be wrong but I repeat myself I don't base myself exclusively on that.
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@newoldfan
I believe that TMZ is giving clues. To me it's part of the plan, there are characters in play and TMZ = tabloid. However I don't base my faith that we must go to the medias only on this article. It's much more than that of course.
We obviously have not the same vision on the hoax, that's all. If you don't want to believe it it's ok this is just my intrepretation of the article and I can be wrong but I repeat myself I don't base myself exclusively on that.
Sarahli, I think you misunderstood me. I was asking for your help! What clues do you see in this article?
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@newoldfan
I believe that TMZ is giving clues. To me it's part of the plan, there are characters in play and TMZ = tabloid. However I don't base my faith that we must go to the medias only on this article. It's much more than that of course.
We obviously have not the same vision on the hoax, that's all. If you don't want to believe it it's ok this is just my intrepretation of the article and I can be wrong but I repeat myself I don't base myself exclusively on that.
Sarahli, I think you misunderstood me. I was asking for your help! What clues do you see in this article?
Ok sorry :lol: I don't know how to take posts with what's going on here :lol:
I just thought that the sentences I marked in red gave a message.
This is what I wrote on the topic viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12337 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12337)
Quoting myself:
"I also think that it's about the divisions that occured between beLIEvers. Michael seems to tell us that we have to raise our voice as one with clarity and be he's voice at the same time.
"Michael Jackson spent thousands of dollars on research to see if it was possible to perform a medical procedure on his beloved pet Bubbles that would give him the ability to speak"
Michael spent a lot of time planning this hoax to see if it was possible to gather his beloved fans and give them the ability to speak for him.
"Can I give him an operation so that I can know what his thoughts are?"
Michael wanted to know what are our thoughts with the Twitter campaign ?
Thank you for that Michael it was needed. I love you. God bless you."
Just my interpretation of course.
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Thanks Sarahli! I didn't see that particular topic.....there are soooo many!! :D
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ok Suza thank u i think u are somehow right about Larry King and some other journalists and to Magnolia1791 if i or others do not tweet any more about elvis.com it doesnt mean that we are not the members of his army, ok? it doesnt mean that we dont spread his message or we dont love him, it has nothing to do with it, it's just my own opinion, the way i approach to the question, maybe i'm wrong, noone knows,I have tweeted alot about the Elvis.com site and it's only now that i have come to my decision, so it has nothing to do with being a devoted member of his army, if the time comes and if once i see the time has come to show my support, to will do whatever i can to make a little change, i'll do my best cause i love this man too much.peace
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I have read and re-read the posts on this topic today and I can see both sides of the argument.
There isn’t going to be agreement, that’s clear, and I’m still on the fence.
However, I do believe that doing something is better than doing nothing.
If we are going to make a change we have to take action. The time for debate has now passed.
One thing is clear. Michael is directing this production and he needs his army of LOVE to participate.
For those who believe that approaching the media is the right way to move forward, then I think you should just go ahead and do it. For those who believe it is the wrong thing to do then fine, you have expressed your opinions.
We are all free thinkers (isn’t that the whole point) and provided the action we take is with the best of intentions and with LOVE I don’t think we can make a mistake, or at least not one that can’t be put right with perseverance.
Personally, although I am on the fence I am willing to take the chance and take part in making the media aware. I joined the army of LOVE and an army can only succeed if it works together.
I don’t have any email addresses yet…..how about approaching Charles Thomson?
So……..where’s the list and where’s the e-mail draft? Let’s kick some @ss.
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All right, here's Dick Gregory's site E-mail: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login and NewOldFan, great post, I agree!
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had some thoughts I really wanted to share.. just now i was imagining how chaotic it would be in the world when BAM occurs. I also thought about how people and the media are going to find out why exactly MJ hoaxed his death. Sure they are going to look to hoax forums and hoax videos but there are so many of them, easily thousands of topics on this forum itself - how are they going to find the answer?
to be honest, without This Is Also It the hoax wouldn't be making half as much sense as it does now. we, the beLIEvers, have been brought along a journey that spanned more than a year (for some, and less for others), and things were revealed to us bit by bit to be digested at a comfortable pace. imagine someone who's never considered MJ hoaxing his death and finding out he's still alive, where does he start??
maybe this could be part of the purpose for elvisandmj.com. congregating everyone to a site that has trustworthy information. maybe all our efforts in tweeting others or telling others about this site aren't wasted because after BAM they'd head to this site to find the truth, and they'd read TS's other posts as well.
the more i think about it, the more i'm convinced that informing the media about this site now beats having them search all over the place for the answer after BAM, and writing SHIT when they can't determine the real reason.
just wanted to share these thoughts... <3 to u all.
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ok Suza thank u i think u are somehow right about Larry King and some other journalists and to Magnolia1791 if i or others do not tweet any more about elvis.com it doesnt mean that we are not the members of his army, ok? it doesnt mean that we dont spread his message or we dont love him, it has nothing to do with it, it's just my own opinion, the way i approach to the question, maybe i'm wrong, noone knows,I have tweeted alot about the Elvis.com site and it's only now that i have come to my decision, so it has nothing to do with being a devoted member of his army, if the time comes and if once i see the time has come to show my support, to will do whatever i can to make a little change, i'll do my best cause i love this man too much.peace
I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt or attack anyone personally and especially not generalize. I was angry about the reactions of individuals with whom I have explained myself. Perhaps I've written more quickly than I thought ... Everyone does what he CAN do and WANTS to do.
Of course we are ONE Army of L.O.V.E. Sorry.
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ok Suza thank u i think u are somehow right about Larry King and some other journalists and to Magnolia1791 if i or others do not tweet any more about elvis.com it doesnt mean that we are not the members of his army, ok? it doesnt mean that we dont spread his message or we dont love him, it has nothing to do with it, it's just my own opinion, the way i approach to the question, maybe i'm wrong, noone knows,I have tweeted alot about the Elvis.com site and it's only now that i have come to my decision, so it has nothing to do with being a devoted member of his army, if the time comes and if once i see the time has come to show my support, to will do whatever i can to make a little change, i'll do my best cause i love this man too much.peace
I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt or attack anyone personally and especially not generalize. I was angry about the reactions of individuals with whom I have explained myself. Perhaps I've written more quickly than I thought ... Everyone does what he CAN do and WANTS to do.
Of course we are ONE Army of L.O.V.E. Sorry.
@Magnolia1791
I agree to Mash Mike!!!
We are, nevertheless, in the army of the love and become MJ supporting and love him!!!!We have discussed this, however, already also in the German Thread
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With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
I don't see this as a rebellion. I see this as people having different opinions. I, for one, am not for the ElvisandMJ thing. How is that rebellion? If people want to tweet it everywhere - great - but it doesn't resonate with me and obviously many others here. My gut told me something wasn't right about Michael's "death" and I followed it here. My gut is also telling me that the ElvisandMJ campaign is hurting rather than helping - at least right now. Most people don't believe Michael hoaxed his death, and throwing Elvis into the mix is just going to close them off even more, IMHO, because they've heard it all before - hell, Elvis sightings are a running joke in popular culture. I still cringe when I see the logo on the home page of this site. I think it turns more people away than not. It's not like the Eliza thing is front page news for the majority of the world. If it's proven that Elvis is still alive, THEN maybe that would open the door for a lot of people to believe the same about Michael. Right now, though, it feels like we're being enlisted on a campaign for Eliza - not so much Michael - and sorry, but count me out.
When I saw the redirect to Jermaine's tweet about the Army of Love, I didn't think of ElvisandMJ because, frankly, one does not equal the other. There have been a few active threads lately bashing Jermaine pretty badly. I thought maybe the message was a reminder to everyone that he is part of all of this in support of Michael, so we should cut him a little slack and not be so quick to judge.
I AM a member of MIchael's Army of Love, even if I don't have a red user name or tweet ElvisandMJ.
Hmm,
Let's see...
First, I was NOT addressing YOU. I quoted those particular people for a reason. They have been the MOST rebellious towards anything to do with TS, TIAI redirects, and NOW elvisandmj.com campaign.
Second, I don't THINK you READ past the part you qouted on my statement had
You...
You would have read what THE psycology of Jung and The heiarchy of needs from Maslow meant in relations to "why" certain behavior happens.
Nothing in my statement directed anything to those people who don't want to participate or those who give opposing opinions.
Both are fine by me.
A simple minded, wishy washy, back and forth thinker, is like a oceans wave.
I have watched many opinions go back and forth like the blowing of the wind.(coming from certain individuals)
My thoughts are it doesn't hurt to be flexible in thinking and yes weigh all options but, make a damn decision one way or the other and stick with it.
This back and forth debating all the time is wasting precious TIME.
Peace
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For people who believe that Michael will return one day or the other, how do you expect the medias and people in general to react ? Especially if they have not heard anything about the hoax before. Think about it and try to put yourself in "non-informed people" shoes to have an idea. You can also compare with your OWN reaction when you learned that Elvis could be alive...
Yes, exactly.
He's still gone for (most of the) world. How many beLIEvers we have? Couple of thousands. Maybe a little more, outside the hoax-forums, but not so many yet.
People don't even know abt the hoax, they haven't heard anything abt it. If Michael would have wanted to keep it in secret, i'm pretty sure he would have found another, simply, and easy way to "die".
I was wondering why he hasn't came back so far, since we've found a lot of possible dates, but still nothing happened. Why? He was not ready, ok. Maybe. Has anything changed in the past one year? Nope. People still don't know abt it, and the only way to reach them is to use the media.
Yes some of them will twist the things, for sure. Maybe some of them won't. But the main thing is that it's not the media that we have to convince, it doesn't even matter they'll believe it or not, we have to open the people's eyes, who still haven't heard anything abt this whole staff. The more beLIEvers we have, the better for Michael. And how do you want to reach people if not with using the media?
So after all the posts in TIAI 7/20 and in this thread you still want to do it..that's fine
I see our opinion means nothing even though we might be right..
First of all, who said Michael wanted the hoax to be kept in secret? Not everyone has to be aware of it! What do you think we are? Messengers sent by Michael to reveal the hoax to the media? Obviously he wanted the people who can think out of the box to investigate the hoax, people who by THEIR OWN could see something was not right about his "death"..If he faked his death and wanted us to go to the MEDIA with the info why would he have put so much effort on it? To screw it like this? By going to the media? If he wanted ALL THE PEOPLE to know about it he would have done it much easier or the family would have said something about it, like adressing the rumors about the hoax. It is not us who have to reveal this, it is Michael at his own time, he has to "bam", not us. And anyway what has Elvis to do here! Stop saying we don't support Michael if we don't agree with this! That's not true, we love and respect him, and we only want him to be ok but we can't agree on something we think it might hurt him.
Souza said if Michael was against this he would have debunked TS..
Do you think Michael can register on the forum and run the risk of being tracked? And also, I think he has more important things to do than coming here and debunk TS's posts, he wants us to think for ourselves. We don't need anyone to tell us "don't do it, that's not a good idea" since we know what Michael endured and how the media crucified and tortured him. We know what he thought about the press..
Whoever TS is we don't have to follow him blindly! He said this is a test! Please think out of the box! I don't care who he is, this can't be good for Michael.
I won't reply anymore to this, I already gave my opinion in this thread and in TIAI 7/20. This is like running in circles and you said you would do it anyway so that was it. Please reconsider it..
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I say that in due time, we'll be able to figure out if this was a good idea or not. Right now it's just retroactive to continue arguing, since nothing is exactly stopping anybody.
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Magnolia1791 no problem, i'm glad that we understood each other, cheers ;)
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Well! Well! Well! As everybody is debating what to do, I decided to spend a bit of time getting my thoughts together regarding a message I am happy to share with the media regarding the hoax. There is no doubt in my mind that reaching to the media is right as my whole belief in the hoax is based on Mike wanting the World full attention for his BIG come back. If I have this one wrong then I guess I will pack my bags and go in my own or somebody else's padded cell for a while to reflect on the whole hoax...
You will find below the test message I sent earlier today to a UK newspaper in reply to an article they published a couple of days ago, there is no reference to http://WWW.ElvisandMJ.com (http://WWW.ElvisandMJ.com) as I believe in keeping the message simple and to the point initially, it is not an attempt to deprive TS/other hoax believers of any credit for their work.
"Dear Madam or Sir,
In your article from the xxxxxx entitled “xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx”, Mr xxxxx makes a comparison between Neverland and Graceland; this reminded me of other similarities between the 2 Kings that make one wonders which role destiny may have played with those individuals lives and deaths. Let’s have a look at a few:
- One was the King of Rock, the other one the King of Pop
- One lived in Graceland, the other one in Neverland
- One married the daughter of the other
- Both their death was claimed to be drug and heart related
- They both died at home
- They were both taken by ambulance, even though already dead
- They both received CPR on the way to Hospital and were both declared death at the hospital
- Both death led to an investigation into their doctors
- Their middle names were different in death than in life (Aron vs Aaron and Joe vs Joseph)
- Films were released after dear deaths: This is it and This is Elvis
- Elvis started his concert with a 2001 space Odyssey song and Michael with an MJ 2040 spaceship and in both case the sum of the day month and year of their death is equal to the year of their concert into. (Elvis 16+8+1977 = 2001; Michael 25+6+2009 = 2040)
With the pending court hearing of Eliza Presley (refer to http://www.probatelawyerblog.com (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com) for a summary of the case) potentially revealing a new truth to Elvis’ death, I really believe that an article on the striking parallels between the 2 kings would really be timely, appropriate and amazing."
I hope I am not offended anybody though my actions, this is all for L.O.V.E
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With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
I don't see this as a rebellion. I see this as people having different opinions. I, for one, am not for the ElvisandMJ thing. How is that rebellion? If people want to tweet it everywhere - great - but it doesn't resonate with me and obviously many others here. My gut told me something wasn't right about Michael's "death" and I followed it here. My gut is also telling me that the ElvisandMJ campaign is hurting rather than helping - at least right now. Most people don't believe Michael hoaxed his death, and throwing Elvis into the mix is just going to close them off even more, IMHO, because they've heard it all before - hell, Elvis sightings are a running joke in popular culture. I still cringe when I see the logo on the home page of this site. I think it turns more people away than not. It's not like the Eliza thing is front page news for the majority of the world. If it's proven that Elvis is still alive, THEN maybe that would open the door for a lot of people to believe the same about Michael. Right now, though, it feels like we're being enlisted on a campaign for Eliza - not so much Michael - and sorry, but count me out.
When I saw the redirect to Jermaine's tweet about the Army of Love, I didn't think of ElvisandMJ because, frankly, one does not equal the other. There have been a few active threads lately bashing Jermaine pretty badly. I thought maybe the message was a reminder to everyone that he is part of all of this in support of Michael, so we should cut him a little slack and not be so quick to judge.
I AM a member of MIchael's Army of Love, even if I don't have a red user name or tweet ElvisandMJ.
Hmm,
Let's see...
First, I was NOT addressing YOU. I quoted those particular people for a reason. They have been the MOST rebellious towards anything to do with TS, TIAI redirects, and NOW elvisandmj.com campaign.
Second, I don't THINK you READ past the part you qouted on my statement had
You...
You would have read what THE psycology of Jung and The heiarchy of needs from Maslow meant in relations to "why" certain behavior happens.
Nothing in my statement directed anything to those people who don't want to participate or those who give opposing opinions.
Both are fine by me.
A simple minded, wishy washy, back and forth thinker, is like a oceans wave.
I have watched many opinions go back and forth like the blowing of the wind.(coming from certain individuals)
My thoughts are it doesn't hurt to be flexible in thinking and yes weigh all options but, make a damn decision one way or the other and stick with it.
This back and forth debating all the time is wasting precious TIME.
Peace
Well, I never said you were talking to me. I didn't realize you were directing your comments to those people in particular. I just thought you were quoting examples of what you considered "rebelling." My comments were merely in response to that, followed by my own feelings about the campaign. So if you took my statements as an attack on you personally, that was not my intent. Sorry for any confusion.
And as to your second point...Yes, I did read the rest of your post.
Peace to you, also.
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I have been reading this thread but have been avoiding posting it. But here goes nuthin. :D
I wasn't an Elvis fan nor even a Michael Jackson fan for that matter but there really does seem to be many similarities between these "hoaxes". Plus, there is also LMP in common and she was the one who called for sunflowers as well as dropping some other clues in her statements and blogs.
As for division. There is already division and has been from the start. There are:
Straight up haters.
Fans who believe Michael is dead by cardiac arrest as was originally reported.
Fans who believe Michael was murdered by a conspiracy.
Then there are "Believers" all with differing theories on the reasons why all of this has happened.
There are multiple forums, we are not even talking to each other half the time.
This forum gets a trickle of new people joining. So after a year, we may have reached a "plateau".
The question is how do you reach more people and that really is what this is all about; multiplying the numbers. Without gaining a significant amount of people who have even considered that Michael may have hoaxed his death, there will be a continued delay of any return.
Next month, the Eliza/Jesse case goes to court. Is Elvis making a physical reappearance? Maybe not but the scenario can be either that the DNA evidence is accepted and Jesse is proven to actually be Elvis or the DNA is rejected and then either Elvis or Vernon is exhumed for another DNA sample or it heads to appeals. The point is, if this gets more media coverage as it plays out in court then why shouldn't we take advantage of that?
There are only a few ways to get some attention here and help more people to become aware:
We can try talking to individual people - this is slow and we have been doing that for a year already. It could take many years to achieve significant numbers and we just don't have that time. Michael said "We only have 4 years to get this right". Well, we have 2 1/2 now.
We can take out advertisements, billboards, newspapers, TV Ads - This can be costly and if we are going to do that we better get that started and once that happens the media will notice us.
Skip the ads and go straight to the media but we better get organized. We need to get together as a solid group, an Army of L.O.V.E. and know what we are talking about. We better start agreeing on the basics and having people who we can represent us to be the voice for Michael. We may want people located in different countries, "teams to attack" different media outlets. You want to flood them so they can't ignore us. The more outlets you approach, the better, someone will pick up the story.
To those who fear what is going to be said about us and Michael, really put them aside. Michael has been ridiculed for years, he is prepared, he has "rhinoceros skin". He knew it was going to come, don't think that he didn't for a second. And us, what do you think the majority already thinks of us? I have my own family as a taste of what the rest of the world probably thinks but so what? We know the truth and anyone who said anything negative will be forgiven and when Michael does come back we will be vindicated.
If Michael wanted to remain in hiding, there would never have been a single clue. It would have been much easier to fake a death and keep quiet, go on with his life etc. There never would have been so many odd things from the very beginning, everything has been orchestrated.
I honestly believe that we who KNOW that Michael is ALIVE have been called, the chosen ones, whatever you want to call it. I think really our investigations have come to point where everything is just reaffirming what we already know and we are being called into action now. We are a special and important group and we really do have a mission now. You want him back? Suck up your fear and your differences and get ready to make that change.
with L.O.V.E. & Light
8-)
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nuthin good :mrgreen:
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well i still say that we should wait for elizas case to unfold. if it is proven that elvis is alive the media is going to run with this, they already compare michael and elvis. so why not just wait because if its meant to be put out there it will be. havent you guys heard the saying dont count you chickens before they hatch? i can hear the media now saying wow! elivis is alive he faked his death and ya know what maybe michael and tupac are alive too.
why did i say tupac its like michael, elvis and tupac are always associated together when it comes down to fake deaths.
so all im asking is that you guys be patient cause its all gonna come out dont worry.
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Well said Serenity! I agree 100%, we need to do this. I still don't understand what it is that the others, who disapprove, think it is we are suppose to be doing instead. I have asked the question, but know one seems to answer. Michael is waiting on US to get more people and the media interested in the hoax, we need them to come to this site and see all the information we have. Once they "investigate" then they will not be able to say that it isn't a "possibility" that Michael hoaxed his death. We need to get the ball rolling.
I have to go now,but tomorrow i will get a list of emails for the media outlets in Canada.
I just know that this is what we are to be doing...spreading "awareness" and doing it in a "loving" way.
For those who aren't in this, what is it that you guys can do to help in some other way? What is your goal in the Army of Love? I'm sure there are other things that the rest of you can do that will help Michael. We can all do some good so we can still feel like one big Happy Family! Right? :D
Good night friends...I love you all!
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I still don't understand what it is that the others, who disapprove, think it is we are suppose to be doing instead.
i believe we are suppose to be waiting on michael que and then we will begin. kenny didnt say on ts command he said michaels.
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I have a question for those who need reassurance from TS on the whole elvisandmj thing. Why would TS even bring up the subject of Elvis and MJ if it wasn't relevant to the hoax? Why would he mention the "Elvis" connection at all if he didn't want us to investigate it further? With the upcoming court date with Eliza in August, this is all going to come out to the public anyway, so what is the big deal of trying to get the media to open up to the idea now? I don't believe that Elvis is going to come back, but it will be obvious to everyone that he is alive, soon. The whole idea is to get the media to warm up to the idea that Michael could have actually hoaxed his death, because Elvis hoaxed his also. The reasons are different and the outcome will be different, but it will make it more plausible that Mj faked his death, when in connection with the "elvis/ Eliza story. We just need to find a way to "pique" the media's interest...plain and simple.
Ok first of, I do NOT believe that Eliza's trial is going to end this year. I saw a video about her trial and it was on a few news channels but it was in 2008!!! It's two years ago. And nothing happened, then why do you expect something to happen now?
The point is, we are NOT sure if TMZ is really working for MJ because TMZ is the FIRST to report things! It's NOT only in Michael's case! I saw the same kind of news about TMZ on Lindsay Lohan's trial issue. Other media were talking how TMZ find inside information so easily?!? So probably they learnt about Michael's "death" a little bit earlier like the way they find information in other cases. Or maybe there's seriously an insider who gives some information to TMZ but do we know that it is what Michael wanted to be? We all saw Latoya and Bubbles news. Some of you thought that TMZ wanted to say "Michael wants his fans to speak up". Do you really think Michael would want TMZ to show a monkey picture, write something about talking, and mention fans with that news? Sorry but I'm NOT going to be a media monkey! How do you trust them? We just THINK that they're working for Michael and helping us. What if it is NOT like that? Remember what Michael told us about media. You should think all possibilities! The media awareness could be something that could put Michael into danger and he probably doesn't want us to go the media about it. Let's wait and see if Eliza's trial is going to end or not first.
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
Can someone please tell me how you know michael would want you to go to the media with this?? Did he tell you?? Did he ask you?? The media is michaels worst enemy why in the world would he want you to go to them and tell them he faked his death? I don't understand why you would do this its going to hurt him more then anything. Michael is in danger dont you get that. It's really selfish what you guys are doing.. your not doing it for love or for michaels message your trying to smoke him out so you can get your concerts or your photos its sick. Let the man be.. Continue to investigate that's fine but please stop going to the media. Please! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical ... euroticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology#Self-realization_and_neuroticism)
Self-realization and neuroticism
Main articles: Self-realization and Neuroticism
An innate need for self-realization leads people to explore and integrate these rejected materials. This natural process is called individuation, or the process of becoming an individual.
According to Jung, self-realization can be divided into two distinct tiers. In the first half of our lives we separate from humanity. We attempt to create our own identities (I, myself). This is why there is such a need for young men to be destructive, and can be expressed as animosity from teens directed at their parents. Jung also said we have a sort of “second puberty” that occurs between 35-40- outlook shifts from emphasis on materialism, sexuality, and having children to concerns about community and spirituality.
In the second half of our lives, humans reunite with the human race. They become part of the collective once again. This is when adults start to contribute to humanity (volunteer time, build, garden, create art, etc.) rather than destroy. They are also more likely to pay attention to their unconscious and conscious feelings. Young men rarely say "I feel angry." or "I feel sad.” This is because they have not yet rejoined the human collective experience, commonly reestablished in their older, wiser years, according to Jung. A common theme is for young rebels to "search" for their true selves and realize that a contribution to humanity is essentially a necessity for a whole self.
Jung proposes that the ultimate goal of the collective unconscious and self-realization is to pull us to the highest experience. This, of course, is spiritual.
If a person does not proceed toward self-knowledge, neurotic symptoms may arise. Symptoms are widely defined, including, for instance, phobias, fetishism, and depression.
Shadow
The shadow is an unconscious complex defined as the repressed, suppressed or disowned qualities of the conscious self. According to Jung, the human being deals with the reality of the shadow in four ways: denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. According to Analytical psychology, a person's shadow may have both constructive and destructive aspects. In its more destructive aspects, the shadow can represent those things which people do not accept about themselves. For instance, the shadow of someone who identifies as being kind may be harsh or unkind. Conversely, the shadow of a person who is brutal may be gentle. In its more constructive aspects, a person's shadow may represent hidden positive qualities. This has been referred to as the "gold in the shadow". Jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness in order to avoid projecting shadow qualities on others.
The shadow in dreams is often represented by dark figures of the same gender as the dreamer.
:ugeek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs)
Deficiency needs
The lower four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": physiological (including sexuality), security of position, friendship and love, and esteem. With the exception of the lowest (physiological) needs, if these "deficiency needs" are not met, the body gives no physical indication but the individual feels anxious and tense.In other words, the hierarchy level of need moves upwards as soon as the previous level of need is satisfied.
Physiological needs
For the most part, physiological needs are obvious—they are the literal requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met (with the exception of clothing, shelter, and sexual activity), the human body simply cannot continue to function.
Physiological needs include:
Breathing
Food
Homeostasis
Sex
Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species.
Safety needs
With their physical needs relatively satisfied, the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. These needs have to do with people's yearning for a predictable orderly world in which perceived unfairness and inconsistency are under control, the familiar frequent and the unfamiliar rare. In the world of work, these safety needs manifest themselves in such things as a preference for job security, grievance procedures for protecting the individual from unilateral authority, savings accounts, insurance policies, reasonable disability accommodations, and the like.
Safety and Security needs include:
Personal security
Financial security
Health and well-being
Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts
Love and Belonging
After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third layer of human needs are social and involve feelings of belongingness. This aspect of Maslow's hierarchy involves emotionally based relationships in general, such as:
Friendship
Intimacy
Family
Humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, whether it comes from a large social group, such as clubs, office culture, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, gangs, or small social connections (family members, intimate partners, mentors, close colleagues, confidants). They need to love and be loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others. In the absence of these elements, many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression. This need for belonging can often overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure; an anorexic, for example, may ignore the need to eat and the security of health for a feeling of control and belonging.
Peace
:geek:
It has nothing to do with being rebellious. It's called having different opinions. Do we need to call you narrow minded for believing in everything TS writes and do what TS asks you to do?
Why the need to be against media awareness? I personally am NOT sure if this is what Michael wants us to do and I wrote my thoughts in my previous post. Just scroll up and read if you would like to learn. I made up my mind about this issue long ago and definitely I'm NOT going to the media to tell them about Michael's hoax. I believe that we should all open our minds to all possibilities. And we should think about the possibility of putting Michael in danger by going to the media!
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
Can someone please tell me how you know michael would want you to go to the media with this?? Did he tell you?? Did he ask you?? The media is michaels worst enemy why in the world would he want you to go to them and tell them he faked his death? I don't understand why you would do this its going to hurt him more then anything. Michael is in danger dont you get that. It's really selfish what you guys are doing.. your not doing it for love or for michaels message your trying to smoke him out so you can get your concerts or your photos its sick. Let the man be.. Continue to investigate that's fine but please stop going to the media. Please! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical ... euroticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology#Self-realization_and_neuroticism)
Self-realization and neuroticism
Main articles: Self-realization and Neuroticism
An innate need for self-realization leads people to explore and integrate these rejected materials. This natural process is called individuation, or the process of becoming an individual.
According to Jung, self-realization can be divided into two distinct tiers. In the first half of our lives we separate from humanity. We attempt to create our own identities (I, myself). This is why there is such a need for young men to be destructive, and can be expressed as animosity from teens directed at their parents. Jung also said we have a sort of “second puberty” that occurs between 35-40- outlook shifts from emphasis on materialism, sexuality, and having children to concerns about community and spirituality.
In the second half of our lives, humans reunite with the human race. They become part of the collective once again. This is when adults start to contribute to humanity (volunteer time, build, garden, create art, etc.) rather than destroy. They are also more likely to pay attention to their unconscious and conscious feelings. Young men rarely say "I feel angry." or "I feel sad.” This is because they have not yet rejoined the human collective experience, commonly reestablished in their older, wiser years, according to Jung. A common theme is for young rebels to "search" for their true selves and realize that a contribution to humanity is essentially a necessity for a whole self.
Jung proposes that the ultimate goal of the collective unconscious and self-realization is to pull us to the highest experience. This, of course, is spiritual.
If a person does not proceed toward self-knowledge, neurotic symptoms may arise. Symptoms are widely defined, including, for instance, phobias, fetishism, and depression.
Shadow
The shadow is an unconscious complex defined as the repressed, suppressed or disowned qualities of the conscious self. According to Jung, the human being deals with the reality of the shadow in four ways: denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. According to Analytical psychology, a person's shadow may have both constructive and destructive aspects. In its more destructive aspects, the shadow can represent those things which people do not accept about themselves. For instance, the shadow of someone who identifies as being kind may be harsh or unkind. Conversely, the shadow of a person who is brutal may be gentle. In its more constructive aspects, a person's shadow may represent hidden positive qualities. This has been referred to as the "gold in the shadow". Jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness in order to avoid projecting shadow qualities on others.
The shadow in dreams is often represented by dark figures of the same gender as the dreamer.
:ugeek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs)
Deficiency needs
The lower four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": physiological (including sexuality), security of position, friendship and love, and esteem. With the exception of the lowest (physiological) needs, if these "deficiency needs" are not met, the body gives no physical indication but the individual feels anxious and tense.In other words, the hierarchy level of need moves upwards as soon as the previous level of need is satisfied.
Physiological needs
For the most part, physiological needs are obvious—they are the literal requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met (with the exception of clothing, shelter, and sexual activity), the human body simply cannot continue to function.
Physiological needs include:
Breathing
Food
Homeostasis
Sex
Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species.
Safety needs
With their physical needs relatively satisfied, the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. These needs have to do with people's yearning for a predictable orderly world in which perceived unfairness and inconsistency are under control, the familiar frequent and the unfamiliar rare. In the world of work, these safety needs manifest themselves in such things as a preference for job security, grievance procedures for protecting the individual from unilateral authority, savings accounts, insurance policies, reasonable disability accommodations, and the like.
Safety and Security needs include:
Personal security
Financial security
Health and well-being
Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts
Love and Belonging
After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third layer of human needs are social and involve feelings of belongingness. This aspect of Maslow's hierarchy involves emotionally based relationships in general, such as:
Friendship
Intimacy
Family
Humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, whether it comes from a large social group, such as clubs, office culture, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, gangs, or small social connections (family members, intimate partners, mentors, close colleagues, confidants). They need to love and be loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others. In the absence of these elements, many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression. This need for belonging can often overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure; an anorexic, for example, may ignore the need to eat and the security of health for a feeling of control and belonging.
Peace
:geek:
It has nothing to do with being rebellious. It's called having different opinions. Do we need to call you narrow minded for believing in everything TS writes and do what TS asks you to do?
Why the need to be against media awareness? I personally am NOT sure if this is what Michael wants us to do and I wrote my thoughts in my previous post. Just scroll up and read if you would like to learn. I made up my mind about this issue long ago and definitely I'm NOT going to the media to tell them about Michael's hoax. I believe that we should all open our minds to all possibilities. And we should think about the possibility of putting Michael in danger by going to the media!
@PureLove,
This is EXACTLY WHY I posted Jung's Theory on psychology and Maslows Heiarchy of Needs. For this very response is why I know you did not read any of the info I posted on what could be the motivating factor behind people's behavior.
Instead you turned it into what you perceived as an attack on your opinion and somehow I was name calling. :?
If you read and understood my post you would have seen that I was giving a possible reason to the opposition and that I was saying "here might be the answer", giving others the opportunity to explore other reasons for the oppostion in the people's behavior.
I was actually empathizing and giving a possible reason, NOT name calling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology)
Psychology is an academic and applied discipline that involves the scientific study of human or other animal mental functions and behaviors. In this field, a professional practitioner or researcher is called a psychologist. Psychologists are classified as social or behavioral scientists. Psychologists attempt to understand the role of mental functions in individual and social behavior, while also exploring underlying physiological and neurological processes.
Basic research in psychology includes perception, cognition, attention, emotion, motivation, brain functioning, personality, behavior, and interpersonal relationships. Some, especially depth psychologists, also consider the unconscious mind.a Psychologists employ empirical methods to determine causal and correlational relationships between psychosocial variables. In addition, or in opposition, to employing empirical and deductive methods, clinical psychologists sometimes rely upon symbolic interpretation and other inductive techniques.
lol 8-)
Thanks and yea I am narrow minded...
One track mind on gettin into heaven 8-)
lol
Peace
:ugeek:
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To TS:
I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.
I have to agree with you and with RestlessSoul. We don't know if this is what Michael wants from us to do yet! And we shouldn't do it before we become sure of it. If TS was approved by the Jacksons I would be in this media awareness thing but as far as I see nothing is coming up from them.
Can someone please tell me how you know michael would want you to go to the media with this?? Did he tell you?? Did he ask you?? The media is michaels worst enemy why in the world would he want you to go to them and tell them he faked his death? I don't understand why you would do this its going to hurt him more then anything. Michael is in danger dont you get that. It's really selfish what you guys are doing.. your not doing it for love or for michaels message your trying to smoke him out so you can get your concerts or your photos its sick. Let the man be.. Continue to investigate that's fine but please stop going to the media. Please! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
With ALL THIS REBELLING,
I have to WONDER NOW, what is REALLY going on. (Obviously I know about spiritual reasons for the rebellious behavior) However, it seems to be over LOOKED what is going on and "WHY" the need for the media.
Why the need to be against it? So maybe THIS WILL explain the phenom OF NOT wanting to TRUST, Believe and have FAITH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical ... euroticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytical_psychology#Self-realization_and_neuroticism)
Self-realization and neuroticism
Main articles: Self-realization and Neuroticism
An innate need for self-realization leads people to explore and integrate these rejected materials. This natural process is called individuation, or the process of becoming an individual.
According to Jung, self-realization can be divided into two distinct tiers. In the first half of our lives we separate from humanity. We attempt to create our own identities (I, myself). This is why there is such a need for young men to be destructive, and can be expressed as animosity from teens directed at their parents. Jung also said we have a sort of “second puberty” that occurs between 35-40- outlook shifts from emphasis on materialism, sexuality, and having children to concerns about community and spirituality.
In the second half of our lives, humans reunite with the human race. They become part of the collective once again. This is when adults start to contribute to humanity (volunteer time, build, garden, create art, etc.) rather than destroy. They are also more likely to pay attention to their unconscious and conscious feelings. Young men rarely say "I feel angry." or "I feel sad.” This is because they have not yet rejoined the human collective experience, commonly reestablished in their older, wiser years, according to Jung. A common theme is for young rebels to "search" for their true selves and realize that a contribution to humanity is essentially a necessity for a whole self.
Jung proposes that the ultimate goal of the collective unconscious and self-realization is to pull us to the highest experience. This, of course, is spiritual.
If a person does not proceed toward self-knowledge, neurotic symptoms may arise. Symptoms are widely defined, including, for instance, phobias, fetishism, and depression.
Shadow
The shadow is an unconscious complex defined as the repressed, suppressed or disowned qualities of the conscious self. According to Jung, the human being deals with the reality of the shadow in four ways: denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. According to Analytical psychology, a person's shadow may have both constructive and destructive aspects. In its more destructive aspects, the shadow can represent those things which people do not accept about themselves. For instance, the shadow of someone who identifies as being kind may be harsh or unkind. Conversely, the shadow of a person who is brutal may be gentle. In its more constructive aspects, a person's shadow may represent hidden positive qualities. This has been referred to as the "gold in the shadow". Jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness in order to avoid projecting shadow qualities on others.
The shadow in dreams is often represented by dark figures of the same gender as the dreamer.
:ugeek:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs)
Deficiency needs
The lower four layers of the pyramid contain what Maslow called "deficiency needs" or "d-needs": physiological (including sexuality), security of position, friendship and love, and esteem. With the exception of the lowest (physiological) needs, if these "deficiency needs" are not met, the body gives no physical indication but the individual feels anxious and tense.In other words, the hierarchy level of need moves upwards as soon as the previous level of need is satisfied.
Physiological needs
For the most part, physiological needs are obvious—they are the literal requirements for human survival. If these requirements are not met (with the exception of clothing, shelter, and sexual activity), the human body simply cannot continue to function.
Physiological needs include:
Breathing
Food
Homeostasis
Sex
Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species.
Safety needs
With their physical needs relatively satisfied, the individual's safety needs take precedence and dominate behavior. These needs have to do with people's yearning for a predictable orderly world in which perceived unfairness and inconsistency are under control, the familiar frequent and the unfamiliar rare. In the world of work, these safety needs manifest themselves in such things as a preference for job security, grievance procedures for protecting the individual from unilateral authority, savings accounts, insurance policies, reasonable disability accommodations, and the like.
Safety and Security needs include:
Personal security
Financial security
Health and well-being
Safety net against accidents/illness and their adverse impacts
Love and Belonging
After physiological and safety needs are fulfilled, the third layer of human needs are social and involve feelings of belongingness. This aspect of Maslow's hierarchy involves emotionally based relationships in general, such as:
Friendship
Intimacy
Family
Humans need to feel a sense of belonging and acceptance, whether it comes from a large social group, such as clubs, office culture, religious groups, professional organizations, sports teams, gangs, or small social connections (family members, intimate partners, mentors, close colleagues, confidants). They need to love and be loved (sexually and non-sexually) by others. In the absence of these elements, many people become susceptible to loneliness, social anxiety, and clinical depression. This need for belonging can often overcome the physiological and security needs, depending on the strength of the peer pressure; an anorexic, for example, may ignore the need to eat and the security of health for a feeling of control and belonging.
Peace
:geek:
It has nothing to do with being rebellious. It's called having different opinions. Do we need to call you narrow minded for believing in everything TS writes and do what TS asks you to do?
Why the need to be against media awareness? I personally am NOT sure if this is what Michael wants us to do and I wrote my thoughts in my previous post. Just scroll up and read if you would like to learn. I made up my mind about this issue long ago and definitely I'm NOT going to the media to tell them about Michael's hoax. I believe that we should all open our minds to all possibilities. And we should think about the possibility of putting Michael in danger by going to the media!
@PureLove,
This is EXACTLY WHY I posted Jung's Theory on psychology and Maslows Heiarchy of Needs. For this very response is why I know you did not read any of the info I posted on what could be the motivating factor behind people's behavior.
Instead you turned it into what you perceived as an attack on your opinion and somehow I was name calling. :?
If you read and understood my post you would have seen that I was giving a possible reason to the opposition and that I was saying "here might be the answer", giving others the opportunity to explore other reasons for the oppostion in the people's behavior.
I was actually empathizing and giving a possible reason, NOT name calling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology)
Psychology is an academic and applied discipline that involves the scientific study of human or other animal mental functions and behaviors. In this field, a professional practitioner or researcher is called a psychologist. Psychologists are classified as social or behavioral scientists. Psychologists attempt to understand the role of mental functions in individual and social behavior, while also exploring underlying physiological and neurological processes.
Basic research in psychology includes perception, cognition, attention, emotion, motivation, brain functioning, personality, behavior, and interpersonal relationships. Some, especially depth psychologists, also consider the unconscious mind.a Psychologists employ empirical methods to determine causal and correlational relationships between psychosocial variables. In addition, or in opposition, to employing empirical and deductive methods, clinical psychologists sometimes rely upon symbolic interpretation and other inductive techniques.
lol 8-)
Thanks and yea I am narrow minded...
One track mind on gettin into heaven 8-)
lol
Peace
:ugeek:
Sorry but I have more important things to do then reading your psychology lesson. My answer is too short and too open to understand and it doesn't need any psychological explanations. Having different opinions has nothing to do with those psychology issue you wrote. In that case everyone should have the same opinion. But it doesn't work that way. And we do not call people who disagree with us as "rebellious". Try to learn accepting different opinions. And do not look for something special under the opinion all the time. You were name calling and called us as rebellions. And in that case I think it would be suitable to name and call you "obsessive "with TS. I'm not saying that you are. I'm just "name calling" ;)
Anyways, hope you guys get your minds right soon and think all possibilities of what you're doing. You could be putting Michael into danger. I don't like where this thread is going, so I'm done on this thread.
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Can we just stick to exchanging opinions and stop attacking each other? That is the last thing we need. Thank you.
I would also appreciate it if people would actually read each other's posts before commenting on it, that could avoid a lot of irritations and misinterpretations.
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Can we just stick to exchanging opinions and stop attacking each other? That is the last thing we need. Thank you.
I agree. I would be happier if people could stop calling names the ones who disagree with them. Just respect each other's opinions pls.
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added on to the previous draft, if we're ever going to send this email out... I cut and pasted parts from Sarahli, TheRunningGirl, and TS; I hope you guys wouldn't mind. and again, feel free to edit it.
Good Morning Madam/Sir X
I am writing an e-mail to you with regards to the substantial surfacing evidence that strongly suggests that Elvis Presley is still alive. In addition, interesting parallels between Elvis and Michael Jackson also suggest that the King of Pop himself did not die on June 25, 2009. Before you begin to dismiss this e-mail entirely, I urge you to read further, and base your judgment on the strong scientific evidence that has already been provided in court to support the first claim.
A woman by the name of Eliza Presley (formerly Alice Elizabeth Tiffin) claims that Elvis is alive and has been going by the name ‘Jesse Presley’, and that she is Elvis’s half-sibling. She has also provided DNA samples confirming her claims. The DNA reports reveal that Jesse Presley is biologically related to Elvis’s cousins on both sides of the family, and because Elvis did not have any siblings (besides a stillborn twin brother), it would mean that Jesse Presley is Elvis himself. In addition, the DNA reports show that Eliza and Jesse are half-siblings. The DNA has been analyzed by various laboratories, one of them is the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada and the results were conclusive. It has also been tested by DNA Consultants, an independent laboratory in Scottsdale. The Lab owner himself, Dr. Donald Yates, testified publicly that Elvis has to be alive (please see the following article published in a Memphis Newspaper on Oct 11, 2008: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/ ).
DNA is a strong and undeniable evidence, which is why Eliza Presley had submitted her case in open court. In fact, the Fox 8 and Fox 13 News channels in the United States have reported about it in 2008 (please see the following videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8 ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU ) .Unfortunately, it appears that the mainstream media had not caught on this story, perhaps with the fear of courting controversy. Eliza’s attorney is confident in the outcome of Eliza's case, which will be brought back in court very soon (probably this summer) to be finalized. In addition to DNA evidence, there exist photographic, graphological (handwriting), and lie detecting evidence to support the claim that Elvis Presley is indeed alive, as Jesse (please do read more about it in detail in Part 6-1 at the following website: http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com) ).
If we can ascertain that Elvis Presley has indeed hoaxed his death, we may infer that Michael Jackson could also have faked his own death by studying the striking similarities between the Kings in both their lives and ‘deaths’.
Let’s have a look at a few:
- One was the King of Rock, the other the King of Pop
- One lived in Graceland, the other in Neverland
- One married the daughter of the other
- Both their deaths were claimed to be drug and heart related
- They both died at home
- They were both taken by ambulance, even though already dead
- They both received CPR on the way to Hospital and were both declared death at the hospital
- Both deaths led to an investigation into their doctors
- Their middle names were different in death than in life (Aron vs Aaron and Joe vs Joseph)
- Films were released after dear deaths: This is it and This is Elvis
- Elvis started his concert with a 2001 space Odyssey song and Michael with an MJ 2040 spaceship and in both case the sum of the day month and year of their death is equal to the year of their concert into. (Elvis 16 + 8 + 1977 = 2001; Michael 25 + 6+ 2009 = 2040; please read Part 6-9 of http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com) for more details.)
And perhaps the biggest clue that Michael Jackson is indeed inspired by Elvis Presley to hoax his death is the incorporation of numerology in the hoax. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999. MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” (see http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy245/PhotoPlusSerif/Update%204/Update%204b/Red777Shirt.jpg ). His “death” on June 25, 2009 was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: inclusive reckoning, a biblical counting system, is used.} The memorial at the Staples Center was held on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will (7-7-02); again, three sevens (777). For more details on the numerology, please see Part 6-8 of http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com) .
With the pending court hearing of Eliza Presley (refer to http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/elvis-presley/ for an overview of the case by probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras) potentially revealing a new truth to Elvis’ death, I really believe that an article on the striking parallels between the 2 kings would really be timely, appropriate and amazing.
Please read more about it at our website: http://elvisandmj.com (http://elvisandmj.com)
For more information about Michael Jackson’s hoaxed death, you may wish to read these forum posts: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts
Eliza Presley’s official website: http://elizapresley.org/ (http://elizapresley.org/)
Thank you very much for your time.
Warmest regards,
XXX
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I have a suggestion. The emails are a great idea but maybe we should look at how TINI received media coverage.
They gave themselves a "catchy" name, easily remembered and relevant. TINI "This Is Not It"
They have a logo.
They have a website with the following aims. We can do something similar even if it is just a page on this site. TS can redirect to that exact page or whatever.
Our aims:
1. Provide our first-hand information and testify to the appropriate authorities in the case.
2. Provide OUR OWN timeline, comparing it with all the false information that has been circulating in and around the media and even in the testimonies of those involved in the criminal charge.
3. Show our support unconditionally and peacefully at every event in order to obtain justice for Michael.
4. Protect, preserve, and continue to spread Michael’s legacy around the World: TRUTH, JUSTICE, PEACE and LOVE.
Please be advised that members of TINI do NOT encourage, support, or engage in any kind of violent or hateful actions.
We explicitly distance ourselves from any such actions as they do NOT represent our campaign. Anyone who is promoting violence and hate does NOT act on behalf of TINI.
http://www.this-is-not-it.com/
They created a time line with what they feel are relevant facts that support the belief that Michael was murdered.
Social Pages: myspace, facebook, twitter, youtube
A direct email that is dedicated to all correspondence that is sent & received.
They used banners flown by planes with their concerns and links to their website.
They organized protests outside of the court on Murray's court dates.
They probably used media releases which you would post to your pages and also send to different media simultaneously, letting the media know your group would be protesting or flying a banner and your goals etc.
We can do all of the same things and be organized. This would present a factual and avoid confusion. If we can agree on the basics, no matter what other theories we may believe, I think we could present this in a way that will get attention and avoid too much ridicule.
We could combine 2 logos one of Michael one of Elvis to put on a myspace, facebook , youtube.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_fFl015dzuoc/SkipY7g0u8I/AAAAAAAABKs/LIhi_8VDrzI/s400/michael-jackson-vector.png)
(http://www.mjdvd.net/images/Michael%20Jackson%20reflective%205%20sticker%20sheet%20Extramely%20RARE.jpg)
(http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/610/610558/elvis_logo2_1115324362.jpg)
(http://www.elvisaffairs.com/site_images/ElvisAffairs-logo-sm.jpg)
(http://up6.podbean.com/image-logos/22270_logo.jpg)
Anyways you get the idea.
We could create some videos for the youtube about all the connections, the court case etc.
All of this worked for TINI, it can work for us too! You want media attention give them, something to pay attention too. Also remember that we can not all be speaking to the media, only a few people will be able to do that. Sso we need to make sure that we have people who are willing to do that, that they represent ALL of us and that they stick to the basic facts. Anything other than the basics can be found here on the forums (ie different theories).
Those are my thoughts on this. I really believe we need to think this through and realize it is going to take organization, work and dedication, just like any cause would.
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This thread is now merely about the discussion wether we are going to do this or not. I will therefore rename this post and open an new one where we can actually discuss how we will do it. I will move the comments that were actually relevant regarding my original post in this thread to the new one. Please use this thread for discussion.
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So, if people think this is not a good idea you won´t go to the media?
I ask this because I remember when The Sun thing that you said you didn´t ask because you knew people wouldn´t agree... so you skipped the opinions.
It would be wonderful to see that you accept mayority´s opinion this time.
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So, if people think this is not a good idea you won´t go to the media?
I ask this because I remember when The Sun thing that you said you didn´t ask because you knew people wouldn´t agree... so you skipped the opinions.
It would be wonderful to see that you accept mayority´s opinion this time.
Like I said, I would do it alone if I would have to. Same goes for Mo.
We won't sit back and relax and wait for Mike to step out, because I truly believe that is not what we should do. I go with my common sense and that is telling me this is the right thing to do. If the Sun article would have been dangerous to the hoax, we would have noticed that by now, no one ever contacted us.
I respect the opinion of the people who oppose this idea and clearly also oppose TS now because of it, but I trust in him and I trust my own judgement.
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So, if people think this is not a good idea you won´t go to the media?
I ask this because I remember when The Sun thing that you said you didn´t ask because you knew people wouldn´t agree... so you skipped the opinions.
It would be wonderful to see that you accept mayority´s opinion this time.
somekindofsign, if you had read the first post in this thread then you would have known that it has been very clear from the start that Souza and I will contact the media about elvisandmj.com The question never has been IF we would contact the media, but how and when:
We need to start somewhere and I think we should start by mailing the media about ElvisAndMJ.com. If we collect the e-mail addresses of various media outlets here I think all of us should mail them about the site.
There are some excellent writers here and I want to ask you if some of you could make a draft e-mail, so everyone can mail the same info/evidence to the media. This should include of course the website url, videos about the DNA evidence, links to articles and blogs about Eliza's case and good arguments as to why it's obvious that both men are still alive and kicking.
If we mail enough media outlets (worldwide) we might get some of them to report about it. And as we have seen with the Sun article, it can snowball from there.
Therefor today a new thread was created, titled "Approaching the media about ElvisAndMJ.com". You can find it here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12615 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12615)
Had you read everything, then your questions would have been answered already.
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I still think that we should also create the social pages (facebook, myspace, Twitter, youtube etc.) and a logo. We could link them all back to here but it would help to spread the word also.
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Let's think of another possibility.
It doesn't matter whether you resort to the most "reliable" journalists or not since The Sun, Mirror.uk, The NY post and company will be there waiting for their minute of fame. They can easily take that info out of context (more than it already is -just my opinion) and twist the story in such a way it will make Michael look like a freak again..Who has more readers? Tabloids or the people you are trying to contact? How many followers does The Sun have? a lot, remember the past experience.
What will sell more? People love gossip and they are too brainwashed to question the info given by the media..
So it won't work anyways
Following TS blindly is not the answer to our questions. Remember TS said this is a course and most people already failed, that we are being tested. We should question him and not just do what he says..
"I wanna play with them, snap my fingers maybe and then BAM" ..What kind of BAm will that be if everyone will know about the hoax? And how will his comeback be if the story will be twisted even more by the tabloids?
It will be like "Oh yes, it was true, he is back.." ..I thought he wanted to shock the world and make history ! what kind of bam will it be if everyone knows about it.
And imagine it is proven Elvis is dead, what credibility will our theory about Michael being alive will have since you're comparing them both? NONE "If elvis was proved to be dead so is Michael"
Whatever ;S
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So, if people think this is not a good idea you won´t go to the media?
I ask this because I remember when The Sun thing that you said you didn´t ask because you knew people wouldn´t agree... so you skipped the opinions.
It would be wonderful to see that you accept mayority´s opinion this time.
They don't care about us, they don't care about majority ;) So no reason to discuss about it. Let them do whatever they want to.
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I'm with you Hazzely & PureLove! And I dare anyone to say I am not a Soldier in Michael's Army of LOVE just because I am against going to the media. I would do anything for Michael...but not something that I feel might hurt him instead of helping him! I have spent days trying to figure out how I felt about this and have came to my first conclusion that it might not be right for Michael.
God Bless & LOVE to you all! ;)
http://twitter.com/MJCandleMom28 (http://twitter.com/MJCandleMom28)
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Let's think of another possibility.
It doesn't matter whether you resort to the most "reliable" journalists or not since The Sun, Mirror.uk, The NY post and company will be there waiting for their minute of fame. They can easily take that info out of context (more than it already is -just my opinion) and twist the story in such a way it will make Michael look like a freak again..Who has more readers? Tabloids or the people you are trying to contact? How many followers does The Sun have? a lot, remember the past experience.
What will sell more? People love gossip and they are too brainwashed to question the info given by the media..
So it won't work anyways
Following TS blindly is not the answer to our questions. Remember TS said this is a course and most people already failed, that we are being tested. We should question him and not just do what he says..
"I wanna play with them, snap my fingers maybe and then BAM" ..What kind of BAm will that be if everyone will know about the hoax? And how will his comeback be if the story will be twisted even more by the tabloids?
It will be like "Oh yes, it was true, he is back.." ..I thought he wanted to shock the world and make history ! what kind of bam will it be if everyone knows about it.
And imagine it is proven Elvis is dead, what credibility will our theory about Michael being alive will have since you're comparing them both? NONE "If elvis was proved to be dead so is Michael"
Whatever ;S
I am not following TS blindly, I never follow anyone blindly and wouldn't even do so if Mike himself called me and asked, I question everything.
Contacting the media is the right thing to do IMO. The BAM won't be less shocking, because most will see this as just another conspiracy theory. Yet there will also be a lot of people that will awaken to the truth, and they will spread this as well.
We need more people to see why he has done this, so he will be ably to return with a bunch of people having his back, whatever happens. TS has mentioned a lot of times that this should not stay a secret, that people NEED to know this for Mike to be able to come back. You can also see the test differently: Are you willing to help him and back him up, whatever is needed? Even if you have to cross your own personal boundaries? "Through our doubts and frustrations, Will you be there?"
See it like this: If TS was testing us and he sees we are going to do this, while it could be dangerous for Mike, he wouldn't let us do this. We would already have failed the test and he would find a way to let us know it is not the right path to choose. But he is still leading and encouraging. This needs to be out there, I have never been more certain about something. And what harm can it do? Some bash posts about us hoaxies? Well I'm used to it and I couldn't care less. Souza is a nickname, trash it if you want, I wouldn't loose a minute of sleep over it. Mike hoaxed his death and is prepared for media bashing. He knows them, he knows they won't ever say a nice thing about him. he has been trashed for over 20 years, I think he can handle a few articles more. The only thing the Sun article did was send a lot of new people to this forum. hundreds of thousands of people reading what we all posted and who have opened their eyes. That's a good thing. So my name is trashed because I allegedly said some things to the Sun? I really don't give a fuck, mission accomplished and that's all that counts. If Mike returns, there will be media outlets bashing and trashing the hell out of him, because the media is controlled by people that want to shut him up. At that point he needs his army to back him up, speak up and trash the media with arguments as given in many good discussions here on the board. Not just 50 people that support elvisandmj.com, but a real army that can make a change.
The only proof we have in this case is the DNA evidence that Elvis is still alive, and therefore it is highly likely that Mike is still alive. We don't have proof that Mike is alive, that is why we need Elvis here and his hoax. And as "Jesse" has send the DNA evidence himself, I think he will be ok with this.
Mike has used the media himself the past year, look at the ridiculous stories TMZ has posted (on his behalf IMO!) and every media outlet ran with it. They will look like fools when he comes back!
Sitting back, telling just a few people a week about this, is not going to do something. People are already doing that... for YEARS! The media is the only way to reach millions in just a short period of time. There is so much valuable information in this forum, I want people to read it and join us on this adventure, because the BAM is far from the end, it's only the beginning of a battle that will be even harder than discussing whether or not to contact the media now.
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i think we will never agree on this one but well, it's human nature, we all see this in different ways
With these redirects I really don't know anymore what TS's intentions are and where is he going with that..so I wouldn't put all my trust in him unless he comes with an explanation
So basically we are USING Elvis to inform the media about Michael's hoax, it doesn't matter if Elvis wants to keep staying into hiding or not.. you are going to reveal him anyways.
Apart from that, as far as I'm concerned the DNA didn't prove he is alive yet, so rushing like this without even having a solid proof would be messed up. What if we find out at Eliza's hearing that none of that was true? Why can't you at least wait for that & wait to see what Eliza thinks about it also?
And I don't think we should be the ones giving the media their minute of fame by using Michael..we kept saying "why do you read tabloids! why do you believe what's said in the media, just ignore them" yet what we do is resort to them. Who cares if we have more hits on this site and if we have more members investigating this and start questioning the "death"? I don't want Michael to "handle a few articles more", he already had enough for more than 30 years
And I'm not so sure about TMZ being part of the hoax ;S
Again, this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't ofend anyone, i'm just standing up for who I care about and what I believe in
We are running in circles ;/ you don't need to reply if you don't want to..we already know what are our current thoughts on this :|
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i think we will never agree on this one but well, it's human nature, we all see this in different ways
With these redirects I really don't know anymore what TS's intentions are and where is he going with that..so I wouldn't put all my trust in him unless he comes with an explanation
So basically we are USING Elvis to inform the media about Michael's hoax, it doesn't matter if Elvis wants to keep staying into hiding or not.. you are going to reveal him anyways.
Apart from that, as far as I'm concerned the DNA didn't prove he is alive yet, so rushing like this without even having a solid proof would be messed up. What if we find out at Eliza's hearing that none of that was true? Why can't you at least wait for that & wait to see what Eliza thinks about it also?
And I don't think we should be the ones giving the media their minute of fame by using Michael..we kept saying "why do you read tabloids! why do you believe what's said in the media, just ignore them" yet what we do is resort to them. Who cares if we have more hits on this site and if we have more members investigating this and start questioning the "death"? I don't want Michael to "handle a few articles more", he already had enough for more than 30 years
And I'm not so sure about TMZ being part of the hoax ;S
Again, this is just my opinion and I hope I didn't ofend anyone, i'm just standing up for who I care about and what I believe in
We are running in circles ;/ you don't need to reply if you don't want to..we already know what are our current thoughts on this :|
WE are not going to reveal Elvis, the upcoming courtcase will do so if LMP refuses to give her DNA. So if Elvis would be revealed due to that court case, it's because LMP didn't cooperate.
The DNA did prove that Elvis is still alive, they tested it with Elvis' cousins, and the DNA was recent, didn't you read the blog of that lawyer?
Eliza has spent a lot of money on this already, and she won't get a dime from the Vernon Presley Estate, because there is no money to fork in anymore. Wouldn't make sense to go to court in that case when you know only the DNA evidence will do the trick. And if she faked it, why not claim she is Elvis' daughter? Because she knows she isn't, because the DNA proved that she is his half-sister, not his daughter.
And why wouldn't LMP just give the swap with DNA? Just to get it over with? They could so easily debunk Eliza's story, yet they don't. Vernon's Estate even is re-opened, that has never happened before. They don't do that only because someone claims that she is the daughter of Vernon Presly, that means Eliza provided them with something that made them reopen the estate.
Well, I think I have said it all now. Maybe we will never agree, maybe some day we will. Let's see how this will unfold.
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I don't know Eliza's & Elvis story since I didn't came here for them but Michael, so anyway
They are waiting for approval , so for now nothing is legit & in case it isn't true we're going to spread some false info over the internet which won't help, quite the contrary
I'm out of this makes no sense to debate this anymore, you will still contact the media no matter what so it's pointless
Peace,
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I don't know Eliza's & Elvis story since I didn't came here for them but Michael, so anyway
They are waiting for approval , so for now nothing is legit & in case it isn't true we're going to spread some false info over the internet which won't help, quite the contrary
I'm out of this makes no sense to debate this anymore, you will still contact the media no matter what so it's pointless
Peace,
True, but I really advise you to just read the lawyer's blog, it's only 10 minutes of your time: http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html (http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html)
I am here for Mike as well, but I also had to watch movies that had nothing to do with him directly, or read articles and books. I don't care, because besides the fact that it's interesting to learn new things, it could help me understand things better.
If you decide not to read it or watch the videos TS has posted that's fine by me, but then indeed this discussion wouldn't go anywhere, because you have no clue what I am talking about.
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Still that (what TS posted about Elvis and the blog) doesn't explain anything, we're still on the same track, so well.. I think this conversation is pointless and won't go anywhere :?
So let's better just let it go..lol
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Still that (what TS posted about Elvis and the blog) doesn't explain anything, we're still on the same track, so well.. I think this conversation is pointless and won't go anywhere :?
So let's better just let it go..lol
This Elvis BS is nothing more than wanting to ride on the coat tails of MJ Estate's One Billion Dollar income in the year since his death. Elvis fans are dying out now. His estate pales incomparison to MJ's. This is all "someone's" attempt to manipulate us to bring about an Elvis "Awakening" for $$$ into the Elvis pocketbook and nothing more (JMO)
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Still that (what TS posted about Elvis and the blog) doesn't explain anything, we're still on the same track, so well.. I think this conversation is pointless and won't go anywhere :?
So let's better just let it go..lol
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Still that (what TS posted about Elvis and the blog) doesn't explain anything, we're still on the same track, so well.. I think this conversation is pointless and won't go anywhere :?
So let's better just let it go..lol
This Elvis BS is nothing more than wanting to ride on the coat tails of MJ Estate's One Billion Dollar income in the year since his death. Elvis fans are dying out now. His estate pales incomparison to MJ's. This is all "someone's" attempt to manipulate us to bring about an Elvis "Awakening" for $$$ into the Elvis pocketbook and nothing more (JMO)Good Lets Dance
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I don't know Eliza's & Elvis story since I didn't came here for them but Michael, so anyway
Hazzely, I'm totally baffled after reading this. You have posted numerous replies in various threads about how you are against going to the media with elvisandmj.com and about how people are following TS blindly, and now you say that you had not even read the Eliza and Elvis story?! How can you form an opinion if you only read selectively? I am truly totally amazed, I can't believe what I'm reading...
“Never let your persistence and passion turn into stubbornness and ignorance.”
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@Mo
Where did I say I didn't read anything about that? I actually did but I don't totally know their lives and their stories since I was never an Elvis follower, but having read about it doesn't mean I have to agree..and that's why I said:
I don't know Eliza's & Elvis story since I didn't came here for them but Michael, so anyway
They are waiting for approval , so for now nothing is legit & in case it isn't true we're going to spread some false info over the internet which won't help, quite the contrary
I'm out of this makes no sense to debate this anymore, you will still contact the media no matter what so it's pointless
Peace,
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I believe I've asked this before but never quite got an answer; If this Elvis story is really true and/or relevant, and Elvis is alive, then has anyone ever stopped to think about what the Presleys might think of this? And I don't mean "what you assume they feel/think". Are we basing it all off the fact that Eliza says it's ok? I may not be a fan of Elvis, but I don't think I have to be to ask this. I think this question could still apply, wouldn't you agree?
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I believe I've asked this before but never quite got an answer; If this Elvis story is really true and/or relevant, and Elvis is alive, then has anyone ever stopped to think about what the Presleys might think of this? And I don't mean "what you assume they feel/think". Are we basing it all off the fact that Eliza says it's ok? I may not be a fan of Elvis, but I don't think I have to be to ask this. I think this question could still apply, wouldn't you agree?
'Jesse' provided the DNA material himself...
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I believe I've asked this before but never quite got an answer; If this Elvis story is really true and/or relevant, and Elvis is alive, then has anyone ever stopped to think about what the Presleys might think of this? And I don't mean "what you assume they feel/think". Are we basing it all off the fact that Eliza says it's ok? I may not be a fan of Elvis, but I don't think I have to be to ask this. I think this question could still apply, wouldn't you agree?
'Jesse' provided the DNA material himself...
Besides providing the DNA, Jesse sent Eliza gifts also.
Dr. Hinton worked with Jesse for years. He wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words”.
Had he wanted to keep this all quiet, would he have been helping and cooperating..?
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hhmm i may have to try and find this book. when my husband last went to the library i ask him to get some motown (meaning music) he came back with a book. motown : music, money, sex. and power. guess the name of the last chapter:the final curtain. maybe if i can pull myself away from the computor i will learn some intersting things.
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I believe I've asked this before but never quite got an answer; If this Elvis story is really true and/or relevant, and Elvis is alive, then has anyone ever stopped to think about what the Presleys might think of this? And I don't mean "what you assume they feel/think". Are we basing it all off the fact that Eliza says it's ok? I may not be a fan of Elvis, but I don't think I have to be to ask this. I think this question could still apply, wouldn't you agree?
'Jesse' provided the DNA material himself...
Besides providing the DNA, Jesse sent Eliza gifts also.
Dr. Hinton worked with Jesse for years. He wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words”.
Had he wanted to keep this all quiet, would he have been helping and cooperating..?
Thanks for answering.
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I believe I've asked this before but never quite got an answer; If this Elvis story is really true and/or relevant, and Elvis is alive, then has anyone ever stopped to think about what the Presleys might think of this? And I don't mean "what you assume they feel/think". Are we basing it all off the fact that Eliza says it's ok? I may not be a fan of Elvis, but I don't think I have to be to ask this. I think this question could still apply, wouldn't you agree?
'Jesse' provided the DNA material himself...
I do really want to believe that "Eliza Presley", Linda Hood and Dr Hinton are saying the truth regarding Jesse and the DNA samples and that Eliza is indeed Vernon's daughter however, until a formal DNA test is carried out under legal juridiction, this is a possibility rather than a proven fact.
If relying on the above, the communication to the media would be more impactful if, at the minimum a court hearing date was set.
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just as a curiosity is there any input about how any elvis fans or (from the get go ) hoax believers view this move?
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I just wanted to add that this is not just about Elvis or Michael fake deaths. The global message encompass much more. It's about each of us. We're all involved we want it or not.
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Sarahli wrote;
I just wanted to add that this is not just about Elvis or Michael fake deaths. The global message encompass much more. It's about each of us. We're all involved we want it or not.
It is true, I agree with you Sarahli
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We know what is Michael's message, or at least we think we know it, we just have to choose one of the possibilities, the one we like the most and spread it, but what is the message of Elvis? leave me alone, maybe?
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We know what is Michael's message, or at least we think we know it, we just have to choose one of the possibilities, the one we like the most and spread it, but what is the message of Elvis? leave me alone, maybe?
I think that it goes beyond Michael and Elvis being alive. Elvis does not want to return to public life, the only proof of him being alive will be the court decision based on the DNA evidence. We will most probably not see him.
Elvis is used here as the best example of how it is possible to dupe people by using the medias and for a long period of time. It shows the importance that the latters have in people's life, how people rely on them to be informed and trust them blindly because considered as trustworthy.
The global message is (to me) faith in God, redemption before end of the world, warning on disasters to come, think for yourself, we're all responsible.
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Crystal clear... thank you both for you answer.
I´ll just point to the regular argument:
If the Sun article would have been dangerous to the hoax, we would have noticed that by now, no one ever contacted us.
I respect the opinion of the people who oppose this idea and clearly also oppose TS now because of it, but I trust in him and I trust my own judgement.
If Michael would need/want us to do so we´d have noticed that by now... but no one ever contacted us or gave us a clue.
That´s all.
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Crystal clear... thank you both for you answer.
I´ll just point to the regular argument:
If the Sun article would have been dangerous to the hoax, we would have noticed that by now, no one ever contacted us.
I respect the opinion of the people who oppose this idea and clearly also oppose TS now because of it, but I trust in him and I trust my own judgement.
If Michael would need/want us to do so we´d have noticed that by now... but no one ever contacted us or gave us a clue.
That´s all.
Well excuse me, but I really don't know where you have been the last couple of weeks...
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Where "should" I had to?
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Where "should" I had to?
I think you perfectly understand what I mean.
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Then sorry but you´re wrong.
Now I´m even more lost :?
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Some, I am also lost. Just received an email linking me to a post with a letter and and bunch of email addresses :? a Rally? I need to re-read it all. Got me by surprise.
Again contacting the press?
I am on my way finding more threads to get some more info.
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Just a thought for all the doubters out there......
Has it occurred to you that even if the media do trash this story, they are going to look very, very stupid when/if MJ does return and it all turns out to be true :!: :lol: :lol:
Lots of egg on lots of faces!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:
Justice for MJ and sweet revenge all rolled into one 8-)
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Just a thought for all the doubters out there......
Has it occurred to you that even if the media do trash this story, they are going to look very, very stupid when/if MJ does return and it all turns out to be true :!: :lol: :lol:
Lots of egg on lots of faces!!! :oops: :oops: :oops:
Justice for MJ and sweet revenge all rolled into one 8-)
Very very true!
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Sorry I realized I was looking on the search. :?