Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Welcome! => MJDHI Announcements => Topic started by: ~Souza~ on July 08, 2010, 05:40:03 PM
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It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
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@ the demod-ing part
I was also a mod on MJKIT and this forum and I can tell you I was demod-ed because of inactivity. After november 22 I spent months away from the hoax, I wasn't posting in any other forum, I simply decided to stay away. Then I started to visit the forum until I decided to stay again because I needed it..I'm also a member of .net and Souza is very aware of that (even though I almost never visit it nor comment) since I pm'ed her about it asking her some things and she didn't treat me different after that or been rude to me, quite the contrary..
As long as this is about MICHAEL and we keep investigating HIS "DEATH" it's fine with me..
We, if not most of us, knew about badloko, Amy, the old forum and so on, so why keep digging again and again? I'm not going against or supporting anyone, I just stick with my opinion..No one forces anyone to stay here, if you feel manipulated then I don't know why don't you change forum and move on? ..If you haven't already then it must be because of something.
EDIT: Oh and about the illuminati and NWO thing yes I believe it's being farfetched sometimes and taken out of context or that it hadn't much to do with Michael's hoax but it has to do with the world we live in..and Michael was very aware of it
I came to the conclusion I don't like how Michael is being portayed and connected to the illuminati theory even though sometimes I posted on those threads because some things made sense, but after weeks of meditation I decided to stay away of them, yet what I do believe in (and not specificaly related to Michael) is the NWO conspiracy..If you don't believe in it then you are definitely missing some important stuff going on in the world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho)
The forum is about his hoax and we all want the truth, at least that's why I still here..both .net and .com share a passion, which is Michael and his hoax..so stop the hating
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All I have to say is THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
WITH OUT YOU THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO FORUM FOR ALL OF US TO GO.
Be strong and please know that I appreciate you and I am very thankful to you both.
I do not know why anybody is against you. All I can say is I send protection your way & know that there are people like myself that are truly grateful.
Peace & love to you both:)
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This is my home and I love it. I'm not going anywhere. I don't care about or believe any of the BS. There are more constructive things to be done with our energy. People don't seem to realize that there must be certain parameters set for this site to function smoothly. What crosses those boundaries are rude and abusive behaviour .This has nothing to do with lack of freedom. It's more about safety and common curtesy and manners. That is my 2 cents worth and can we now move on and treat each other with a little kindness. Just by doing that alone, we wouldn't have these issues.
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Hi Souza,
I am amazed by how much continuous effort both you and Mo give to this forum. Although you are not fans it is evident by your example you are trying your utmost to do it "All for L.O.V.E" I also know that you did not have much rest since trying to mobilise the tweets on 5th July. I do not know where you find the energy. I did not bother to look at the offending video, because it is obviously vindictive rubbish and I do not wish to be aware of this negativity. Obviously there are many differing opinions on here and I think sometimes people write things that can seem offensive, that they would never say to anyone in person. Sometimes I also think that things can be misunderstood and offence is taken unnecessarily. Please, please do not be at all discouraged, I am sure many of us appreciate your great enthusiasm and without you and Mo the forum would not exist.
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All I have to say is THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
WITH OUT YOU THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO FORUM FOR ALL OF US TO GO.
Be strong and please know that I appreciate you and I am very thankful to you both.
I do not know why anybody is against you. All I can say is I send protection your way & know that there are people like myself that are truly grateful.
Peace & love to you both:)
Ditto, ditto, ditto...... I wouldn't be nearly as connected to this if it were not for this forum in particular. It's the only forum I have EVER been a part of. It really is too bad that some can't seem to behave. They are the ones missing out on a fab experience. I appreciate all this hard work and effort more than you know. I do think Michael sees the posts here....how could he not? How embarrassing would it be, to been seen as an ass by Michael? (maybe I didn't word that right lol!) You know what I mean :D
Anyways, THANK YOU!!!!!! You are appreciated!!!
Blessings!
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A BIG Thank you ... to you both for being here, with out you i would have gone crazy!
and a Big Thank you to everyone here that i have chatted to...
and to Michael who brought us all together in the first place...
L.O.V.E is my message
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It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and all fellow members.
Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.
souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.
you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.
I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.
You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something.
I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.
I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming back
MICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Thank you :| This is kinda sad all this negativity
Why can't you act in a decent way? Honestly these people saying it's all for L.O.V.E ..ugh annoying
I don't like that other forum but do I go there to cause trouble ? they all must be 10 yrs old or something
When you don't like something , ignore it if you want to avoid drama ..or then behave in a decent way
pEACE
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@ Souza and Mo
You are doing a great job in running this forum and for this deserve respect. This is a short post to express my support.
I do not necessarily share all of your views but believe in people respecting each other and expressing their opinions in a constructive way.
With L.O.V.E
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I would also like to express my gratitude for all the work you two put into this site. I sometimes stay away from the site for a while then come back, but only because it's hard on my heart. Truly though, I find it appalling that you guys would receive death threats or any sort of negative comments. Like you said, if people don't want to be on the site, they shouldn't be on it.
I want to thank you guys so much for funding and supporting such a site. I've had the chance to talk to people from all over the world, and it's been amazing. Not only that, but all of these people have felt the same pain I've felt about Michael, and are just wanting to find the truth. This site as helped me so much, and it's you two I have to thank :)
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A while back, I created an account at .net after being asked many times.
I did not like it at all. One of the first things I saw was a thread that was aimed
At this forum, and to say the least, it was very disrespectful.
We do not create threads to hate on other hoaxers..?
Why do they threaten the admins here?
Most of them are VERY kind, don't get me wrong..
But they have no right to investigate your identities.
This is not a laughing matter either.
If they plan on posting this elsewhere as entertainment, they should think first.
WWMJD?
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@glovelove
I agree the amount of members as well caused the negativity. I also think it's because there is no news at the moment and no bam, what a lot of people thought would happen on June 25. That is why I don't like it when people post possible bamdates.
My negativity comes from e-mails I get from people that want me dead and men walking in my house at night when I come home, stealing my laptop and harddrive and going through my mail and personal info before threatening me. The blogs on the internet saying I am a nazi or Diane Dimond. The fact that people are still trying to get my personal info and also want to post it publicaly on the internet. They do not realize the danger of it.
I also don't get the "You are not a fan" thing. I'm not a fan, no, but I love his music and I respect the man himself. I thought that should be enough. Yet I get it thrown at me as if I am the devil himself. So I hope you understand my negativity sometimes.
About sarcasm: I am sarcastic, i do not always mean to be negative or disrespectful with that. I have explained that a lot of times and I appreciate people who ask me how I meant it before they jump to conclusions. I am also someone that likes discussions and I saw people that explained that as not able to take critisism. If that were true I wouldn't answer at all. We should keep in mind that we have almost 4000 different charachters on this board, not one of us is the same. Some people understand my comments immediately, some think I am mocking and being disrespectful. The same goes the other way around. I have trouble seeing what others mean sometimes as well.
What I don't get is the hate between the forums. I don't see why that is necessary. I myself am on good terms with one of the admins on MJHD and we discuss this matter sometimes. I read on the other forum sometimes. Why is that spying? They read here as well, is that spying? No, it's just to see if there is more info.
And of course I know the members contribute and put lots of time in it as well, you will never hear me say otherwise. This post is meant for those that bring negativity around here, who are deliberately causing trouble. Most members should not feel addressed at all and I think they know that.
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Hmmm it seems i've missed something - again. :|
Video? Members against you, guys?
What...? Why?
Whatever, i don't even wanna see it.
I agree with everything what is written above, same thing here.
I've never been, and never will be on any other forum. This is the only one, and i don't even care about others.
You two are really appriciated for your hard work,
and I THANK you so much that neither you nor Mo are not really "fan"
( woaaahhh... how much i hate this word... ) because that's why both of you are down to the earth, and spreading facts, not imaginations.
It doesn't matter who you are, and it doesn't matter who we are. All that goes for nothing.
We're here for a reason, we're together, on the same side. And this is the relevant thing.
So.
Thank you again.
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Hi,
I have found something that I think is very relevant - it's not necessarily an easy concept but it may explain why people are SOOOO hell bent on hurting you & others with such direct threats. We all have user names to keep that security & with people doing things like this - at the moment it will stay that way.I think the majority appreciate what all of you do, so thanx to all :D
Attack mode comes from the EGO-self. I try to see it as a separate self as it's easier that way. The EGO-self is the one that has taken control over us because we feel separate from life in all forms around us. It is the one that -out of FEAR - makes sure it's in total control so that it can keep the illusion that we are SAFE.
This 'hoax' or whatever name you give it is the biggest challenge to our EGO-selves because all this new information is a threat to it's very existence & as it loses the control it re-asserts itself by pushing our own buttons to MAKE us act the way it needs us to so it can go back to thinking it's in control again & safe.
That's why when there is a lull in new events it comes out with avengeance to control as it's when we are most vulnerable to it .Then we start to bring down the people who are bringing the message or helping with it etc because it's the message itself which is a threat - not the delivery guys! If we then bring down TS, Mods etc then it therefore eliminates the message which is the threat & we then feel that we can comfortably go back to our original habitual living patterns because THAT is where we feel comfortable and not threatened.
This is why we are all in this situation on this planet - the Ego-self took control so we could survive & now piece by piece we realise we don't need it & it fights. Nothing stranger than the truth! :lol:
I just thought that this helped me a lot and may also help others :) . We ALL have this same problem because we are all the same, I guess the trick is knowing when it's trying to take over & when it is a justified judgement with evidence provided so that it may prove it to be causing harm to people - so far I have heard no evidence for any of this so it made me think.
This Ego system leaves anyone who helps distribution of new info. open to every kind of abuse as it terrifies most people & they have no idea why it does - probably!
All I know is that the world needs to come together so we need to be as loving towards eachother & ourselves as possible - it's a big challenge! :D
Hope this helps a little x
Peace out x
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I had seen the comments made on this forum and also saw the video before it was published here, I do not bother to comment that I found garbage and garbage must take it out of the house.
With respect to Souza and Mo are doing a good job with the investigation of MJ and the other themes, you have my support and that of the majority of the members of the forum .. I hope so.
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I would like to express my gratitude to Souza, Mo and all the MODS. I also wish that everyone could just get along, if not for our own sake, then for Michael...the man we love! I agree that everyone is entitled to voice their opinions, but please stop and think before you type your words. Some people write before they really think, in the heat of anger and that is how "wars" start. if you disagree with something, please use "respect" when you respond. You can still get your point across, but please do it nicely.We are a family here and families do have arguments, but there is a right and wrong way to do it. I know this has been a long journey for most of us here, i too have been here from the beginning.. I really hope that we can stay united and investigate with LOVE...Michael "IS" love and love is all about "respect".Remember that Michael is reading these posts, I'm sure he checks in whenever he can to see how we have progressed, to see if we are getting his "message". So please, lets just all get along and bring back the love!
Again, thank you to all of those who have dedicated their time and energy to this site. I appreciate having a "home base" so to speak and I appreciate all the "valuable" information that TS has provided for us as well.
My love to all. :D
Dayna
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I feel like Bill Murray in groundhogs day, Is like the same stuff all the time. Why are people so angry, we all need to respect each other, this was part of Michael message. Souza and Mo I have nothing but love and respect for you both for all that you have done and continue to do for Michael and us. I am sad to hear that you have had threats towards you both. This is a sad sick thing for someone to do, they need Jesus. Love you all. Hugs. Thank you for everything you do. L.O.V.E. :)
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Is love responsibility and respect? Consider the following respect makes us sensitive to the feelings of others and help us to accept them, in other words brings harmony and understanding. Love to your partner or your family harmony is important. When there is harmony love grows and understanding and understanding reign. The first step in order to understand and accept is to respect the other person, respect your preferences, your ideas. If there is no respect we will have many problems and is not suitable for any of us ;)
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I would also like to thank Mo & Souza for their time, financial investment and effort they have put in to this forum. I have been a member of numerous forums and I must say that of them all, this is the place I feel the most comfortable. Though I do not agree with all the posts or even all the opinions expressed by both members and admins, the fact that these opinions can be expressed freely and without fear is refreshing. My posts which are often "very much too long" ;) and sometimes of a controversial nature, at least are considered without ridicule and are not simply removed from the site, as has happened on other forums. I also feel that we on this forum do an incredible job of investigating and have found that on other sites there is little investigation actually going on. Some of these other forums seem more interested in socializing, looking at gold pants or beautiful photos of Michael. This is cool but it is not what I am interested in. I want to investigate all aspects of this adventure, understand the reasons why this has happened, help Michael return and contribute to spreading his messages. These things can not be achieved when the most active threads are not even addressing any of these issues on a forum. I would just like to add that, I am truly grateful for each and every person who contributes to this investigation and if it wasn't for ALL of you, I think I would have gone Bonkers months ago :lol:
Thank you Mo & Souza, all the admins and especially my fellow forum detective members!
L.O.V.E & Light
SD
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Hi:
Souza and Mo I can not express enough how important it is to me and I know many others your great effort, your time and hard work. What you are doing for Michael and us is beyond all bounties of the universe. I mean over and beyond with LOTS of HARD WORK! The threats you are receiving scares me. I am worried for you both. This world is made up of many different types of people, what is sad is that there are cruel people out there. We know that, look at what people have done to Michael.
You are exactly right, the fact is many people are frustrated, no bam date, no Michael and not a lot of news lately. I try to stay focused with.... he planned this, I feel is he is still here. There are times I feel down and think maybe he didn't make it. Then I go right to TS' updates and read. Then I feel hope again. What remains important is that we find out what happened to Michael and why. You have made it possible for us to have hope and to spark the investigators in all of us. Without you and this forum where would we be? Wandering around wondering what happened to Michael and no one to express our thoughts to. As for our people being not so nice, this is very sad as we are here for Michael and Michael means LOVE. I guess sometimes not everybody can play nice in the sand box together. Everyone has there own opinions and that's ok, but express the opinion nicely is the key. We are not enemies, we are working together. Not everyone can do that. It's a learning processes for all of us. I have often said to my husband how the two of you do such a great job keeping us together and in tow. If that means stating hard facts, disagreeing or being to the point...it is what it is and you both our fantastic in my book. It's difficult to keep people in line and on track and I appreciate you both and everyone else involved here. Thank you for all you do! Take care and love to all!
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@Souza
I like the way you keep your cool in the face of adversity. It's true we're not all cookie-cutter personalities, each of us are unique in that respect. I enjoy the diversity here, it's what makes the forum so interesting. I'm saying a prayer for your peace and safety, and declaring "no weapon formed against you shall prosper"....they will all be duds!! :) Sending out a major love to you and Mo.
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I think Mo and Souza have been doing a great job and they deserve to voice their opinions just like the rest of us. I look forward to visiting this site, it's like a small town community! It's too bad there is anger and negativity directed at Mo and Souza and while I think everyone is entitled to their opinions, it bothers me when people are mean and rude to each other. If you think about it, I honestly believe people are meant to be loving and happy. When someone is angry or negative, they are stressed. Stress is bad for the body and causes health problems which can lead to an early death. So be happy and love each other people!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deception)
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Deception, beguilement, deceit, bluff, mystification, and subterfuge are acts to propagate beliefs that are not true, or not the whole truth (as in half-truths or omission). Deception can involve dissimulation, propaganda, sleight of hand. It can employ distraction, camouflage or concealment. There is also self-deception.
Deception is a major relational transgression that often leads to feelings of betrayal and distrust between relational partners. Deception violates relational rules and is considered to be a negative violation of expectations. Most people expect friends, relational partners, and even strangers to be truthful most of the time. If people expected most conversations to be untruthful, talking and communicating with others would simply be unproductive and too difficult. On a given day, it is likely that most human beings will either deceive or be deceived by another person. A significant amount of deception occurs between romantic and relational partners. :geek:
Types :geek:
Deception includes several types of communications or omissions that serve to distort or omit the complete truth. Deception itself is intentionally managing verbal and/or nonverbal messages so that the message receiver will believe in a way that the message sender knows is false. Intent is critical with regard to deception. Intent differentiates between deception and an honest mistake. The Interpersonal Deception Theory explores the interrelation between communicative context and sender and receiver cognitions and behaviors in deceptive exchanges.
The five primary forms of deception are:
lies: making up information or giving information that is the opposite or very different from the truth.
equivocations: making an indirect, ambiguous, or contradictory statement.
concealments: omitting information that is important or relevant to the given context, or engaging in behavior that helps hide relevant information.
exaggeration: overstatement or stretching the truth to a degree.
understatement: minimization or downplaying aspects of the truth.
Motives :geek:
There are three primary motivations for deceptions in close relationships.
Partner-focused motives: using deception to avoid hurting the partner, helping the partner to enhance or maintain his or her self-esteem, avoid worrying the partner, and protecting the partner's relationship with a third party. Partner-motivated deception can sometimes be viewed as socially polite and relationally beneficial.
Self-focused motives: using deception to enhance or protect their self-image, wanting to shield themselves from anger, embarrassment, or criticism. Self-focused deception is generally perceived as a more serious transgression than partner-focused deception because the deceiver is acting for self reasons than for the good of the relationship.
Relationship-focused motives: using deception to limit relationship harm by avoiding conflict or relational trauma. Relationally motivated deception can be beneficial to a relationship, and other times it can be harmful by further complicating matters
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This is actually getting sad for me to watch the division amongst Michael's "fans" who claim to love him so much.
I am a person who is NON judgemental in human behavior in the sense that sometimes we don't always know or we aren't always aware of what we are doing at the moment it happens. I am guilty of that too.
But, for me knowing that this "hoax" was done out of L.O.V.E. from Michael to bring awareness to his "fans" and even Non Fans it does sadden me to see this going in this direction.
I have been a long time listener and admirer of Michael's music and I stopped paying attention to him and what his world was about during his Thriller years, due to me growing up and having obligations, LIFE duties.
When the news hit he had "died" my friend text me, and I was shocked but, it hadn't devastated me or moved me like I see how it has effected alot of people.
I watched the Memorial and yes I cried my eyes out, and yes I did think he passed. I was also in a state of my own depression (mind set) that I wasn't really paying attention with open eyes.
I simply watched The Memorial and then moved on. I did however start to slowly become curious in who was Michael, The Man.
I started to watch vids of his on youtube and started to listen to his music. I had to play catch up on current events.
I didn't know about the "hoax" until Feb.2010. I am on board NOW simply because I am AWARE of the reasons this was done.
I am NOW aware of the unlimited amount of info out there I hadn't even knew existed including the way Michael's fanatic fans behave.
He is a man who has sacrificed his life to bring joy and love and entertainment in TROUBLINGTIMES for Xscapism... If only for a moment.
I feel sad that this is a DREAM is dieing.
But I am Thankful for this opportunity to learn about The Man I never knew and I am thankful to the Admins for the forum to get to know him and all of you his "fans"
Peace
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You guys know how I feel. I've never changed. The whole thing is nonsense and people get all wrapped up in their own bullshit they forget it's bullshit.
But the shit they say about Badkolo is a fucking crime. Good damn thing you guys locked that thread before I got home. I am fucking itching. He's the one and only person who stood up and put some fucking money where his mouth is and he gets shit on all over the fucking universe for it. Have some goddamn respect. Have some goddamn appreciation. No one know how to say thank you anymore? The whole world feels entitled to get something for nothing? I don't see anyone else stepping up and footing the goddamn bill. No, but Badkolo does for no reason other then to try and get to the bottom of this goddamn hoax and give us all a place to research and investigate and put our minds together and maybe make some goddamn sense out of this.
He gave us a playground and some are too busy pissing in the pool to maybe remove their heads from their asses and show some goddamn appreciation.
Fucking load of selfish ungrateful wretches.
Everyone who clicked and enjoyed in the last 8 months should send him a goddamn thank you card.
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Thankyou Mo and Souza for keeping this up and running...I don't know where you get the time or money, but thankyou. I find it a place of comfort, but sometimes it can get crazy too. We are all human, and we should all treat eachother with the same...RESPECT.
I was not a fan either, does that make me evil ????? NO
We have a common bond.......and that is to look for the truth......
After watching every video there is about MJ, I must say, I have total respect for him and what he did for this sad and hyprocrytical world we live in......So bash me too.
God has brought me here....xoxoxo
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Thanks Mo and Souza for all that you have done so far.
To all the haters - No one is entitled to judge another unless they are pristine pure themselves. We all have our secrets and things we would prefer to keep to ourselves. Remember this is not a matrimonial site and each one's personal situation or preferences does not need to be aired in the open.
Michael always thought his music brought everyone together. People from all races, backgrounds, economic standings etc could always be in harmony at his concerts. It is shameful that people who claim to be his fans, go against this basic teaching of his and try to create divisions or spread hatred.
I thank Mo & Souza for enlightening us, this well organized forum has been an eye opener for things that have world wide effect. I know the admins don't refer to themselves as fanatics of Michael the man, but they have more than dedicated their last few months to finding out the truth. I for one have never felt threatened by them.
Thanks Souza for making this thread, I was trying to defend you on the thread @glovelove started because I know the source of hate of the controversial original thread. I know @glovelove did not understand why I was vehemently supporting your decision to ban the person, but that person has been regularly making fake ids and posting ridiculous threads just to get the BeLIEvers rattled. This person also has a hate blog that talks about the escapades to fool the admins on this forum and also a lot of uncalled for filth too. Just like you busted the person concerned with ip addresses, a few of us have been able to spot this fraud on a few of the ridiculous threads. When the person is discovered they stop using that account and start a new one. That is why there are many new posters who only spread hate or ridicule. This person favours animal related usernames half the time, though there may be Illuminati mocking or BAM date mocking threads too.
I won't go into details, but @glovelove please feel free to pm me if you still do not believe what I said. Just remember the hoax is about SPREADING LOVE, not hate.
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I also watched the video in question, and that is a totally different angle about what I posted above. I just want to say, that I think with a free mind, I am not manipulated into believing anything here. I know for a fact that Mo or Souza do warn us about trigger videos and I value their warnings. But the rest of it, I don't agree about doubles or about Elvis and I peacefully chose to not participate in those threads or activities - no one can change what I feel. But I won't spread hate or create a thread or poll just to find out what the most ridiculous thing people are willing to believe.
I used to believe TS till the Elvis thing happened, after that I lost complete hope in Michael's return. Yes, maybe Michael is safe for now but I always doubted if exposing him on a public forum would help him or give the bad men clues to find him or fodder for the defense in Murray's case.
If the haters are so bothered about traffic here, why don't they start a proper forum where they can provide all that they claim this site does not provide. If you have the information well arranged like it is here, and if there are enough posters giving inputs, there will be no need to waste idle time exposing other sites or hating on them.
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Gosh, I'm actually glad that I have no clue about any of this drama.. but what I am totally sick of is all the negativity against this particular board- Mo, Souza, I feel so, so sorry for you guys about all of this crap..it sounds really scary and I feel almost guilty that it all happens to you two.. I hate to say it, but I am pretty certain that everyone who participates in such disgusting, hateful behavior is at least slightly mentally unstable..anger issues. And if there are any who aren't, then they are just gosh-darn hypocrites when it comes to respecting MJ and his message, because there is no way they can really care about peace and unity the way he does.. No one here behaves that way about anyone: non-believers, the "other" hoax forum.. At least we have that on side in MJ's eyes, he knows who isn't spreading hatred and negativity.
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I had never known or participated in any forum MJ, if hoax or anything else. I met here by accident when I started to research more of his life, although I am a fan since the 80s, but unfortunately I was limited to his music and choreography. Many of the millions of fans and also non-fans around the world have come to know or recognize, admire and love Michael Jackson, as a person and a great humanitarian, just after his death. I, by then, just accept the news of the death of the great artist, with great pain and sadness. But when I found this site, its goal, member comments, I found it interesting, and I realized that something really does not make sense about the death of Mike, and I signed up immediately. I feel good here because it somehow brings me closer to Mike. As for the forum and its administration, I see them as a fantastic job, allows us to share ideas, opinions, feelings and lead us to other important issues in this context, inclusive. But sometimes I feel embarrassed to share my skepticism (yet) in relation theories Dave, Dave and Elvis, because I realize that there is reluctance to accept or discuss some specific differences. As for the offensive behavior, rude or rough, to any member, I think he should be banned from this forum, because there is nothing of the sort that can come close to MJ. I think the different opinions and ideas about what happened before, during or after the day on June 25, 2009 should be discussed with love and respect, because it only allows us to evolve into a score of at least closer to the truth. Mike should be proud (where he is), knowing that there are many people involved with him and with great love and desire, even if those people have different thoughts or beliefs about what really happened. The only feeling that valley and that should prevail is the love of MJ for all of us and vice versa, here, now and forever! Congratulations to the forum!
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I love coming to this site
I want Michael Jackson to be alive
now goodnight and see ya tomorrow :)
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very well said, souza.
having different opinions is one thing, which is, of course, perfectly normal; but starting to diss and bash ppl for it and even threatening them is far beyond acceptable behaviour, and this is what some others do. I am always shocked when ppl get personal; i mean, saying that someone doesn´t believe in a certain thing you say is ok, but then all the disrespectful gossip...i really don´t like that. And tbh, we´re all on the internet, we don´t necessarily have to know who is behind a nickname, because -as i said- this is the internet! to me, this explains it pretty much. I like it if i know someone´s real name, if he wants to tell me, but if he doesn´t want to, oh well, that´s what nicknames are for.
I didn´t know your laptop was stolen, and this shocks me that ppl even break into your homes just to be able to write some shit on the internet! Are you ok?
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This is so depressing. What hope is there of 'changing the world' when just a few hundred people cannot get along, even when they supposedly have the same aim (of finding out what happened to MJ)?
This is modern technology at its worst. I wonder if these 'troublemakers' would act in the same way face to face. It seems like the anonymity of the computer screen allows for a total disregard to all common standards of politeness and decency in a certain type of person.
I hope if MJ is alive that he doesn't read this forum. I fear it would break his heart, although he has experienced enough of the ugly side of human nature in his own lifetime, to have seen this coming.
Souza and Mo, keep yourselves safe. Please make that your top priority.
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I saw the video yesterday and it's the huge BS that I've ever seen during the last 8 months.
They claimed to know the truht....? woah.... I think they don't understand a damn thing!
They should connect the brain before open their mouth!
They are talking about love and respect?
Oh yeah! what they are spreading it's love.......... :roll:
They preach love but spread hate!
I hope they will understand one day...........
This forum is not about money or hate... it's about to find out the truth!
Mo and Souza and BadKolo keep up the good work! and thanks! :!:
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Allow me to add something...
I seriously don't understand the hate towards owners and admins of Michael Jackson hoax websites. It's not just Souza and I who are under attack, every owner has to deal with it. I might not agree with what other hoax website/forum owners do, but that doesn't mean I feel the urge to create videos filled with lies about them and spread them, claiming them to contain the truth.
Actions like that clearly show the rage of impotence. People who make these kind of videos and post them on forums like to have an audience, they need "back up" in order to comfort their own insecurity. It's striking to see that each and every admin bashing video is talking about "sheep" who follow the admins without thinking for themselves, yet what do you call people who blindly accept the lies presented in these videos and supporting the maker of the video..?
It saddens me deeply that the very person which these forums are all about, the very person who hated all these kind of things, has attracted it. Many of the admin bashers keep screaming "It's all about LOVE", but it's not LOVE they spread, they spread HATE. They are very upset when it comes to MJ's privacy, yet they have no problems at all digging for our personal information. They have big mouths about the privacy of MJ's kids, but hey, I have kids also! I was attacked as a mother... I'm asking you: How low can you go..?
Like Souza already said - some very disturbing things took place in our personal lives during the last months. Is it really necessary to personally attack people for publishing THEORIES? How would you feel if you received death threats after airing your opinion..?
Despite all the threats, the lies and the actions taken against us I have no intentions of giving up. Let me end with a quote we're all familiar with: "Beat me, hate me, You can never break me".
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I am an active member here and there, although I dont post a lot but I am all day visiting this and the other forum, just because I want to know the truth. I have never been disrespectuf with anybody so I dont afraid to be banned, but what I want to say is that I also like to be respected and sometimes some members told me to go just because I am not a 100% believer.
About the video, I dont know what to think, I dont know either of you and when I read you I trust you and when I read the other I trust the other....so 50-50. The fact of being here doesnt mean that I am going to say "amen" to everything admins or posters says, and the same at the other forum, I am free to think what I want and when/whereever I want.
LOL sorry for my bad english :?
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ok, I watched the video ... :roll:
Guys, are you serious?
Sorry, but I have to reply...
I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.
Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not.
How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !
Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?
I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.
Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I' ve never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?
And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.
I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?
Just my two cents...
Peace :)
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You´re right!
ok, I watched the video ... :roll:
Guys, are you serious?
Sorry, but I have to reply...
I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.
Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not.
How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !
Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?
I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.
Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?
And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.
I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?
Just my two cents...
Peace :)
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It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and all fellow members.
Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.
souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.
you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.
I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.
You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something.
I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.
I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming back
MICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
glovelove, I agree with everything you have said.....you read my mind but I couldn't have been as eloquent!! Well done. :D
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This is like history repeating itself, all the negativity, all the hate and mistrust, it is so sad, this is not at all the message MJ tried all his life to get across, this should be about repect, unity and coming together not attacking each other. :cry:
I am sorry you have been personally attacked Souza and Mo, and that people have sought to find your identity. I would like to thank you for the time you both have put into this site and the many hours you must dedicate to it. I have been a member here for a long time, since it was created as the backup MJKITForum. It is sad to see how it has changed, the mutual respect for each other seems to have disappeared, we seem to be in a state of disharmony, can we no longer "harmonize around the world" show the love and respect for each other?
I have no plans to go anywhere else, I am a member on the other forum, but rarely go there as I prefer the more analytical base we have here.
We need to get the harmony back, if you dont agree with something, you dont have to "bash" someone elses theory, if you dont agree "pass on by on the other side of the road" as my Mum said when I was very small if you cannot say something good dont say anything at all, I have always found that has stood me in very good stead.
We need to get back to seeking the truth, I know its very quiet at the moment, but we need to be patient and I pray that the truth will prevail.
Peace and God Bless us All.
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Love
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I've always found that on any forum there is always some type of dispute with the admin, mods & the members, so for me this isn't surprising.
I think we would all be blind to not realize that there is always going to be things going on that we are not aware of between other people on a forum. I'm sure there is also some truth to it & of course speculation.
I found the video to be part speculation & part truth, i.e. the TS information. I do not however enjoy viewing these types of vids wherein the person stated that they THINK this or that may be the case & proceed to carry on with that thought process.
It is always incorrect to state or post anything with respect to this particular topic with out proof.
Do I think that there is some type of competition between hoax forums? Yes I do. Do I think that the truth will ever be told completely? No, most probably not.
The only thing I am concerned with is that there are some young folks on forms who will blindly follow most everything that is stated be administrators. Why? First, because they are naive & secondly they may not want to say anything for fear of being banned.
I am like some of the other members. I don't, never have & never will believe anyone simply because they are an administrator, moderator or a member. That would be ridiculous.
I skip over any threads that I do not support in their beliefs. I do refrain sometimes from speaking my mind, not because I fear a ban. There are many other hoax forums, so what would be the point in that?
I refrain because it simply isn't worth my time nor effort to attempt to argue over something that in the end will not matter to me.
People that lie will continue to lie & people that tell the truth will continue to tell the truth.
The people that don't know the difference will eventually find out in the end.
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It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.
A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.
I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason.
The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.
What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.
We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.
About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine.
About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.
I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again.
If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate?
The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.
Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.
This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.
I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and all fellow members.
Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.
souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.
you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.
I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.
You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something.
I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.
I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming back
MICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
@ glovelove, I agree with everything you have said, you just wrote out my own thoughts ;) Thanks.
@ Souza, thanks for addressing the questions.
As I said, I don´t care who you are but I do care the way this forum is turning towards the Michael Jackson investigation. And I feel very unconfortable with it at this moment.
It was also a big shock for me to find out who is owning the domain and the possible connection to Mrs "DEMON" made me very upset as well.
GloveLove has expresed just how I think in may points.
I made myself clear about my point of views through all my posts and it shows which subjects I am following and what theories I agree with.
I am here to observe, collect, contribute and find what happened to Michael Jackson and only Michael.
I want also add that all this situations are caused as well by Story Tellers and Riddle Experts who keep confusing people here in the forum.
Michael Jackson is gone, that´s the only fact we have.
Peace.
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I really appreciate all that you Souza and Mo do it keeping this site running. It is a home for me definately. I've rarely seen a family, church group, friends group that eventually didn't have some issues and fights going on about something. Human nature. Things build up, explosion, discuss everything out, hopefully new understanding is reached. That happens regularly just me, my husband, and kids. This forum is so much more a range of people involved. I agree there's major stress let down with nothing happening with Michael lately. We've gotto get through this together.
I personally admit that the strong connection to the Elvis site with TS's post, was a let down for me as to his connection to Michael for the first time, hope new info will come. :? Just being honest. But I will continue to hope, trust, support, love. Thank you!
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Dear Souza and Mo,
I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.
I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.
I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.
Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this?
Thank you very much for your forum!
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Dear Souza and Mo,
I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.
I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.
I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.
Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this?
Thank you very much for your forum!
Liegi, Souza and I think Mike did this to expose what's really going on in this world, to show people that they are manipulated and being lied to on the highest level. We have created a series of videos called "Michael Jackson's Message", you can find them in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10035 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10035)
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Thank you. I'm sorry I didn't understand you were referring to those videos (I have seen them).
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I would also like to express my gratitude for all the work you two put into this site. I sometimes stay away from the site for a while then come back, but only because it's hard on my heart. Truly though, I find it appalling that you guys would receive death threats or any sort of negative comments. Like you said, if people don't want to be on the site, they shouldn't be on it.
I want to thank you guys so much for funding and supporting such a site. I've had the chance to talk to people from all over the world, and it's been amazing. Not only that, but all of these people have felt the same pain I've felt about Michael, and are just wanting to find the truth. This site as helped me so much, and it's you two I have to thank :)
Here, here. My sentiments exactly. And because I'm not always on here since I signed up in December, I miss things and have totally missed the video that is referenced. video? badkolo? jacksonologist? i've missed all of this but I appreciate hearing from Mo and Souza, which helps me get caught up today.
In any case, thank you for funding and supporting this site.
Without this site (and one other that I am on occasionally, :) but that site came after this one), I would have absolutely no one to talk to about the death hoax. I have a lot of friends who are diehard fans of Michael, but none of them believe that he's still alive. Thank you for this outlet.
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very well said, souza.
I didn´t know your laptop was stolen, and this shocks me that ppl even break into your homes just to be able to write some shit on the internet! Are you ok?
To hear this is really really bad and scary. :( Please, take great care of yourselves!
You must be very close to the truth to be such a target of hate.
Who is so much afraid of you (r words)?
"Witch-hunting" is a relict from the middle ages - those hunted and burnt were the wise women who knew too much, and those chasing them feared their mental power.
So they tried to demoralize them, tortured them and forced them to give false evidence.
History repeats itself - the methods are different, more subtle, but the vicious scheme behind it hasn't changed that much.
To endure this needs great courage.
Thank God times have changed at least, so people can defend and protect themselves not to get caught and be literally "burnt".
I just wonder what happened to Michael if he is safe as well.
I pray for your safety - and your happiness and good spirits to continue.
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i agree with all the posts above, i must add that it's not only this forum that is being bashed, i have seen many mj sites, pages when fans attack,hurt and ridicule other fans for just not sharing their opinion,it really doesnt matter whether one has been MJ's fan for almost all his life or has become one after his "death",though i'm a fan since my childhood, i have met ones who are fans from the very beginning but are rude, cruel to each other and keep on talking about MJ's message, about love, about spreading it, but instead they spread hatred, this is human nature and unfortunately these people are a lot and everywhere, so never give up Mo and Souza, u're doing a great job, this place has become a very candid and sweet place for me,not talking about some really rude posters,i think those rude ones must be just ignored.much love and peace
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All I have to say is THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE.
WITH OUT YOU THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO FORUM FOR ALL OF US TO GO.
Be strong and please know that I appreciate you and I am very thankful to you both.
I do not know why anybody is against you. All I can say is I send protection your way & know that there are people like myself that are truly grateful.
Peace & love to you both:)
AMEN. Same loving thoughts (and prayers for protection) to you from myself. :)
Anonymity oftimes brings the cowards out of the woodwork. All cowards aren't haters but all haters are cowards. It is the nature of cowards to bully.
I don't understand haters, HERE, though. Unbeilievable every single time I see it here! A REAL oxymoron.... But, just be encouraged by what has been attributed to Bob Dylan, I believe:
"If you haven't been booed, you haven't done anything"
Cheers and jeers are just different pitches of expelled air. Tune out the sour notes, and pretend it's all one big symphony, as the backdrop to your obviously making some seriously righteous waves SOMEwhere in the fabric of this universe!!! :o 8-) :D You GO, gurls!!!!!!!!!!!! :arrow:
Oh, and I'd get a big fierce booty :twisted: -munching dog for home security...now that is scary :!: