Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Pictures => Topic started by: peshtishor on July 02, 2010, 06:45:11 AM
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I don't know if you saw this...if you did, sorry for posting it
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/43 ... photo.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/431514/Michael-Jacksons-deathbed-photo.html)
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Thanks - we've got it posted somewhere on this forum. I personally believe it's been deliberately set up to look like that. I mean, really, the Ambu-bag with instructions still attached? Right...
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Staged!
I don't believe for a second that there is a bed without a bedframe in that mansion. The mattresses are place directly on the floor. Really?
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That's the way a lot of beds are now, even at the richest places. The box mattresses are the bed frame and they just bolt a headboard to the wall.
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Staged!
I don't believe for a second that there is a bed without a bedframe in that mansion. The mattresses are place directly on the floor. Really?
I can see how MJ would want that, bed frames create spaces for people to hide or to hide things, like recording devices. He was very afraid of things like that. I can see exactly how he would want the frame "OUT"....LOL...or maybe he was afraid of the boogie monster? Possibly it could be just to stiffen it up more if his back hurt. I can so see him doing this. There is a picture of Neverland where he did the same thing as well.
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Thing is he supposedly didn't die at his room, but this is (what I knew as) Michael's bedroom.
Everything in this pic is placed the same way it was descripted in the Autopsy Report, yet some items are missed in such Report like the doll. The Report also says there were Oxigen tanks at the bed side, and a Laptop computer over the bed.
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That's the way a lot of beds are now, even at the richest places. The box mattresses are the bed frame and they just bolt a headboard to the wall.
I agree. Have you guys seen the inside pictures if that estate? And being in the area that it is in, I really doubt it would be decored like that..walkabout being fake
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so these prayer beads were around his neck. did they take their good ol time getting them off and laying them there? if it were an emergency shouldn't they broken all over the place?
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Maybe he didn't wear these when go to bed?... I don't know.
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i believe this photo was thoroughly discussed already. but here's my take on it again:
i agree, it looks staged and the fact that the autopsy report describes it like that doesn't prove anything, if it was set up that way to be photographed. question: who took that pic in the first case? was it the rescue team that day? unlikely...if it was the lapd, they only got there after the family went in, so it's possibly a set up.
the only things idicating that it could be 'the' bed is the beads and the toothpaste, since it was said that mike always wore those beads and had toothpaste everywhere in the house. now, why would you leave those things in that position when dealing with a dying patient on the bed and then even moving the body from the bed onto the floor? that toothpaste package should be either bent or crushed if it had been in that same position with mike in the bed. still, it looks like fresh from the market. and i don't think anyone would bother to pull the beads over mike's head in that situation, they would have been cut if they were in the way for treatment. at least the beads and the toothpaste box were planted, imo.
:mrgreen:
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interesting term too" abandoned on the bed are the middle eastern prayer beads."
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This is not real. The mansion was shown in recent Show: Inside the Michael Jackson Mansion. This room simply doesn't match or compliment the rest of the house. It is tastefully decorated. This looks cheap in comparison, even if it isn't MJ's bedroom. NOt buying it!
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That's the way a lot of beds are now, even at the richest places. The box mattresses are the bed frame and they just bolt a headboard to the wall.
I agree. Have you guys seen the inside pictures if that estate? And being in the area that it is in, I really doubt it would be decored like that..walkabout being fake
Why?
Staged or not, nicely decorated or not, this was his bedroom. It doesn't mean he's dead, of course.
Look: same carpet, lamps, tables, headboard's bed, lightblue & white wall... I don't think it looks cheap, it's just the quality of the OP pic...
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That is not his bedroom. The decor is wrong, the bed is wrong, the floors are wrong, the walls are wrong, the fireplace is wrong, the size is wrong. It's a fake.
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That is not his bedroom. The decor is wrong, the bed is wrong, the floors are wrong, the walls are wrong, the fireplace is wrong, the size is wrong. It's a fake.
Yes - his room was much larger. And, why now in that picture is the bed all messed up when in the other picture it wasn't? Who messed it up?
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That is not his bedroom. The decor is wrong, the bed is wrong, the floors are wrong, the walls are wrong, the fireplace is wrong, the size is wrong. It's a fake.
By no means you are going to see the fireplace from where this picture was taken...
The walls are clearly the same, the floor is the same dark coloured wood, with some decorations in light coloured wood. The bed is just ok, again without the frame.
It's fine with me if you don't think it's the same, though. :D
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- it's the same room....on the night table, there is a black statue...looks like a boy... in all pictures
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the pictures were not taken in the same time....that's why is the bed all messed up..
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Didn't Latoya say he died in Murray's room? This looks a bit grand for a guest room.
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That is not his bedroom. The decor is wrong, the bed is wrong, the floors are wrong, the walls are wrong, the fireplace is wrong, the size is wrong. It's a fake.
By no means you are going to see the fireplace from where this picture was taken...
The walls are clearly the same, the floor is the same dark coloured wood, with some decorations in light coloured wood. The bed is just ok, again without the frame.
It's fine with me if you don't think it's the same, though. :D
The floors in the Mansion are all Bavarian Walnut layed out in a totally different pattern. The headboard of the bed was also made of beautiful dark wood. The bed also was larger than this was. It had to be to fit the scale of the room. The fireplace was positioned directly across from the foot of the bed. The linens were luxurious, not cheap like the ones in the staged photo. The furniture was not Louis XVI or whatever. Remember, the house was rented furnished and this does not fit the rest of the house. Besides don't you think it's odd that this photo only appeared in that trash rag?
Just saying... I guess we agree to disagree. That's ok.
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so these prayer beads were around his neck. did they take their good ol time getting them off and laying them there? if it were an emergency shouldn't they broken all over the place?
because if they are prayer beads then he was probably using them...You have to take them off to use them.
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so these prayer beads were around his neck. did they take their good ol time getting them off and laying them there? if it were an emergency shouldn't they broken all over the place?
because if they are prayer beads then he was probably using them...You have to take them off to use them.
i suppose that could be the case.
mykidsmum. refresh me . you believe he is was murdered is that correct?
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So sad, he could've had a good time in that room, all cozy with a fire place and all. All he needed was a good woman in his life to bring some warmth to that otherwise bleak existence. God I hate Michael chose or was denied loving companionship in that big, beautiful, cold mansion :? No wonder he couldn't sleep :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: guess you can tell that I love the rollin eyes smilie. It's so attitudish :roll:
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so these prayer beads were around his neck. did they take their good ol time getting them off and laying them there? if it were an emergency shouldn't they broken all over the place?
because if they are prayer beads then he was probably using them...You have to take them off to use them.
i suppose that could be the case.
mykidsmum. refresh me . you believe he is was murdered is that correct?
Yes, murdered...definitely. I have beads just like MJ...they are very nice. If you wear them and/or use them a lot, your body oils smooth the wood, they become soft and very pleasing to the touch. They even have wooden ones made out of rosewood...those are so nice, they have a pleasing smell as well.
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This scene looks staged sorry. Everything is so perfectly placed. If it was so chaotic like they made it sound that room would not look that nice and clean. Please.....
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I remember at the beginning we were told Janet and someone else (i don't remember well who) removed the sheets from Michael's bed befor the police came..is that right?
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yes, i think so. In this case, there are two possibilities:
1.the jackson family took everything ...maybe money, maybe drugs, i don't know what they were looking for
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/movers_ ... t&id=51894 (http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/movers_at_michael_jacksons_house#tab=most_recent&id=51894)
2.the police didn't find anything in that house, ONLY what the jackson family wanted to leave behind
because the police went to the house the second day...i think after the "cleaning"
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This scene looks staged sorry. Everything is so perfectly placed. If it was so chaotic like they made it sound that room would not look that nice and clean. Please.....
I dont understand what you mean.. they were resusing him, not burgling the place.
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I never understood how could the family go inside the house and remove or touch anything if they thought MJ was murdered.
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unless they 've got something to do with it? i'm not saying they had...but it's a possibility...maybe MJ is alive..and it 's "in the script" :D...i don't know...
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Sorry, I feel really stupid, but I had a dream month ago where I was in a place supposed to be Michael's house. There was several rooms, it was huge, and there were many people visiting the house. it was supposed to be after his death. There was a room with a lot of human size dolls. I remember there was one of the staff member who frightened me pretending to be a doll.
Then I went to the bathroom and I felt Michael's ghost was there, i was trying to call him.
What really disturb me is that after that I went in a sitting room, with armchair looking exactly the same as the picture you show. And there was a TV flat screen. In my dream I felt strange to find such a room in a kind of "museum" but I sat there and started to watch TV.
Then I went out of the house, this is were i realised that all was staged, that it was a kind of big shop, or museum dedicated to Michael. As if the house was turned in something to visit. But I can so clearly remember that room with the armchairs and the TV turned on.
I just dont' find words to say about the picture i can now see here :? it's prety scary but the orange/yellow armchair was there and the tv too, here was also a armchair with a small flowers tissue, near the cheminey...
The only thing is that it was all the other way (like a mirror) door leading to the next room was on the right, as well as windows, tv turned to the left etc...there was no bed in that room in my dream. It was a kind of little sitting room. it was not a bedroom.
Am i becoming crazy ???
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The one thing I don't understand is nobody was allowed in his private bedroom apart from doc and his children would he have all that stuff about in front of his children he would not want to frighten them or put them in danger leaving dangerous medication about that they could accidently get hold of the only terrible thought is he could have been so bad he had lost his judgement on what was right for the children
But I can't see that or did they get everything out when the children were asleep but then they were still trying to get michael asleep in the morning so the children would see all that I have allways wondered if somebody was very Ill in that room and he was going to take his place
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The question is:
was he really living at that house??? :|
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Okay, I am going to throw my 2 cents in here.
The nightstands are not the same in the 2 pics. The first one has 2 levels to it. There is also a wire looking table next to nightstand in the first pic. There is a statue on the top level, turned sideways with his arms down. On the lower level the statue is bending forward. In the second pic the statue has his arm right arm raised.
In the first pic there is some kind of gold leaves right above the nightstand, maybe some kind of decoration. It is not there in the second pic.
The lamp in the second pic is not in the first.
I don't know when the 2nd pic was taken but if the owners changed a few things & fixed it up after MJ left why would they allow a picture to be taken with the bed unmade? Plus the sitting area isn't what I would say is 'picture ready'. The tv looks out of place and what is with all the lamps?
I zoomed in to 400 to get a closer look because something just isn't right here. I'm also thinking it was staged. JMO
Also if the first pic is suppose to be a true pic why didn't Murray pick up that phone next to the bed? That would take all of 2 seconds. Things just don't add up....
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Don't forget paparazzi could have paid to enter the house and stage the room to pretend they had a picture of what MJ's bed was....
Easy to do : you come with a few medical stuff, you have the bed undone, you take a picture, you pay, and you leave the house....Anyone needing money coudl have let them enter and do so... :geek:
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At one time wasn't it mentioned that there were written notes or something like that taped on the wall all around the room? I don't see it in this picture.
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At one time was mentioned that there were written notes or something like that taped on the wall all around the room? I don't see it in this picture.
Yes i remember that and ive never seen photos of these notes.
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Hi beLIEving2! This is what I can see in the pics:
Okay, I am going to throw my 2 cents in here.
The nightstands are not the same in the 2 pics. The first one has 2 levels to it.
The nighstands in the 2nd pic has two levels too, but you cannot see the first level because it's hidden behind these pillows.
There is also a wire looking table next to nightstand in the first pic.
Same explanation than before.
There is a statue on the top level, turned sideways with his arms down. On the lower level the statue is bending forward. In the second pic the statue has his arm right arm raised.
There's a statue of a human figure over the top level of the nightstand in both pictures. You can see the figure/statue from its front and from its side. It's the same statue.
In the first pic there is some kind of gold leaves right above the nightstand, maybe some kind of decoration. It is not there in the second pic.
The leaves are part/decoration of the lamp. You can see them when you look at the lamp from its front (pic 1), but not from its side (pic 2).
The lamp in the second pic is not in the first.
I can see two lamps in both pics.
I don't know when the 2nd pic was taken but if the owners changed a few things & fixed it up after MJ left why would they allow a picture to be taken with the bed unmade? Plus the sitting area isn't what I would say is 'picture ready'. The tv looks out of place and what is with all the lamps?
I zoomed in to 400 to get a closer look because something just isn't right here. I'm also thinking it was staged. JMO.
I'm not sure what do you mean here, sorry.
Also if the first pic is suppose to be a true pic why didn't Murray pick up that phone next to the bed? That would take all of 2 seconds. Things just don't add up....
Of course it could be staged, but it's the same bedroom.
I can't explain better myself in english, I'm sorry. I hope you understand what I mean.
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At one time wasn't it mentioned that there were written notes or something like that taped on the wall all around the room? I don't see it in this picture.
Yes, that was News Of The World...
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In the mag... "Remembering Michael" they have a photo of Murry's bedroom.. If you really look at the photo that is said to be MJ's bed and you look at what they say is Murry's bed.. Look close it's the same bedding. It's kinda hard to see because of it being piled up.
here is a link to the pic.
http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/15331 (http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/15331)
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I believe it is the same bedroom but I still wonder when was the 2nd pic taken? If the owners allowed someone to come in and take pics then why clean up the nightstand and the things on the bed but leave the bed unmade? (maybe to look like that was the way it looked after they took MJ out of there)? I am willing to bet that the bed was made up then messed up for the pic. This pic was included in pics of the rest of the house (from RadarOnline) and every other room was neat. A question I have, wasn't it reported that he wasn't in his bedroom but rather Murrays that night? There have been so many conflicting stories no wonder there are so many questions surrounding his 'death'.
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There's a statue of a human figure over the top level of the nightstand in both pictures. You can see the figure/statue from its front and from its side. It's the same statue.
In the first pic there is some kind of gold leaves right above the nightstand, maybe some kind of decoration. It is not there in the second pic.
Uhm don't want to be a pain in the (you know where)
but on the first picture I see a telephone on the nightstanad,
the second picture the telephone is gone, and a statue of a
human figure is at the place of the telephone :)
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Uhm don't want to be a pain in the (you know where)
but on the first picture I see a telephone on the nightstanad,
the second picture the telephone is gone, and a statue of a
human figure is at the place of the telephone :)
Lol! No, you're not! :D
That's what I said above: in both pics the nightstands has two levels. Level 1, you see the telephone, Level 2, the lamp and the statue.
Thing is that in pic 2, the first level (hence the phone) is hidden behind that big mountain of pillows... I hope you can see it now :D
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So, in the 1st pic, if you zoom in, there is something either behind or on top of the phone. It looks like another statue of maybe a boy bending forward perhaps playing. If it isn't that then it has to be part of the phone but It would have to be where the receiver goes and I just can't tell, but something is there. The pic is not real clear so it is hard to tell the details. :?
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I never understood how could the family go inside the house and remove or touch anything if they thought MJ was murdered.
Excellent point! Well said, and God bless you, Gema! You have hit the nail on the head for me. If MJ was truly murdered, I think that the scene was have been sealed off by the police. That is my understanding!
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http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/50 ... sages.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/500267/Michael-Jackson-Im-a-magnet-for-miracles-Read-Jacko-messages.html)
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so these prayer beads were around his neck. did they take their good ol time getting them off and laying them there? if it were an emergency shouldn't they broken all over the place?
because if they are prayer beads then he was probably using them...You have to take them off to use them.
i suppose that could be the case.
mykidsmum. refresh me . you believe he is was murdered is that correct?
Yes, murdered...definitely. I have beads just like MJ...they are very nice. If you wear them and/or use them a lot, your body oils smooth the wood, they become soft and very pleasing to the touch. They even have wooden ones made out of rosewood...those are so nice, they have a pleasing smell as well.
Mykidsmum if you seriously believe MJ was murdered why on earth are you lurking around on this forum? I know that I never believed that he died on that day in 2009. Also, this photo was discussed in full detail last year. IMHO, the photo was fake. I said it then and I am saying it now. Seriously, though why are you here? Keep the Faith!
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So sad, he could've had a good time in that room, all cozy with a fire place and all. All he needed was a good woman in his life to bring some warmth to that otherwise bleak existence. God I hate Michael chose or was denied loving companionship in that big, beautiful, cold mansion :? No wonder he couldn't sleep :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: guess you can tell that I love the rollin eyes smilie. It's so attitudish :roll:
yup, coulda been me :D ...lol...I wish :lol:
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I never understood how could the family go inside the house and remove or touch anything if they thought MJ was murdered.
There's nothing to understand in actuality. When has a murdered victim ever had their house entered by family members to remove items at their leisure with a cop at the gate eyeballing everything not stopping them? Janet and LaToya had trucks at the house the day he was so called murdered. Til this day no one knows where the moving trucks went with MJ's personal property. If I can remember correctly when we first investigated this last year the house was taped off roughly 2-3 days after MJ disappeared. Such a high profile murder (if it were true) would never have been handled so hap hazardly. MJ is not dead and never has been. I don't know where he is but I know (gut feeling!) he's very much alive! Keep the Faith!
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How do we know that those pics of the moving trucks were taken then and not months before?
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"Two moving vans pulled up Saturday to the rented Los Angeles mansion where Michael Jackson spent his final days, and his pop star sister, Janet Jackson, also arrived at the home in her Bentley.
Eight movers took dollies and other moving equipment into the mansion, reportedly taking some of his children's possessions and some of the singer's prized belongings.
The singer's possessions were being removed from the house for safekeeping, People magazine reported, due to concern that someone could break into the home. "
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... s-mansion/ (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/06/27/moving-vans-arrive-michael-jacksons-mansion/)
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In my opinion that is totally staged!, to me their looks no sign of chaos that you would expect, looks to be a scene from a movie!
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In my opinion that is totally staged!, to me their looks no sign of chaos that you would expect, looks to be a scene from a movie!
I agree with you, this picture is a fake. Moreover, I don't like when they use "Jacko", this is Michael Jackson, or MJ. "Jacko" sounds pejorative to me.
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In my opinion that is totally staged!, to me their looks no sign of chaos that you would expect, looks to be a scene from a movie!
I agree with you, this picture is a fake. Moreover, I don't like when they use "Jacko", this is Michael Jackson, or MJ. "Jacko" sounds pejorative to me.
Sometime I showed the picture to my friend. He knew absolutely no relation to what it is. I asked him: "Has taken place an agony?" and he said, confident and spontaneous: "No! Never!" And I think so too. The picture shows us what to believe. It doesn't show us the truth.
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..Sorry..but comparing the 2 pictures that is Michael room. The only question is: who has given this photo to the press? Was it staged inside the house?
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the photo was taken by the police
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the photo was taken by the police
And the Police sold it to News Of The World, so they had to say in their article "it was taken by a family insider"?...
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According to Detective W. Porche from the LAPD, who performed the scene investigation for the coroner (going by the autopsy report that was released (www.autopsyfiles.org (http://www.autopsyfiles.org)), that was NOT Michael's room.
Pg 4 Scene Description: "I observed the bedroom on the second floor of the home, to the right of the top of the staircase. Reportedly, this is the bedroom where the decedent had been resting and entered cardiac arrest. His usual bedroom was down the hall."
I mentioned this in another post: ( viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11440 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11440) ) and said the following:
Something else that struck me funny (non-medical) was the scene description. It says that the bedroom where the decedent had been resting was not his usual bedroom, which was down the hall. If MJ had a doctor coming over every night, why wouldn't he be set up for treatment in his usual bedroom? Why be in this other room? It makes no sense to me unless, of course, this was a staged scene or a room where someone else was being treated. And there's nothing of a personal nature in there. I believe Michael knew photos would be published and after the Neverland nightmare, he was extremely careful to protect his privacy.
According to accounts, Murray would show up at the mansion every night and leave every morning. If so, and assuming treatment always took place in this bedroom, when did Michael ever sleep in his "usual bedroom"? Apparently never? Doesn't add up.
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I agree. I watched a special on 6/25 called 'Inside Michael Jacksons mansion"Never Can Say Goodbye". It showed the inside of the house and the man that had it built for his family. It made me think of a few things regarding these pictures.
First of all I know that this wasn't MJ bedroom. They showed the master bedroom several times. It was over 4000 sf, including the closet and on the 3rd floor.It was beautiful. The realtor said when MJ first saw the room he loved it and layed down on the bed smiling. The man that built this home said that the house was 'on point.' Meaning that all materials used were only the best and you could see it in this special. There were 8 bedrooms and they showed about 4 of them. There was one bedroom that sort of looked like the one posted here but definetley decorated different Unless MJ put those mattresses on the floor I never saw a bed in the special like that. And the linens were beautiful! The realtor said that once the lease was signed they (she included) went and bought all new linens for the beds. In the special the rooms were large and did not have all the chairs like shown in this pic. Everything very much in place. I know that things were probably changed around when he was there but from what I understand he like things very tidy. I too believe that room was staged but it's JMHO. Sorry this post is so long.
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This scene looks staged sorry. Everything is so perfectly placed. If it was so chaotic like they made it sound that room would not look that nice and clean. Please.....
Agreed, I was planning on saying just that lol...looks like that ambi bag had just been bought especially, and taken out of it's wrapper with instruction n all...but maybe Murray needed those instructions haha... is no drug vials, no syringes which you would expect...another fake like the ambulance pic