Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: RestlessSoul on June 19, 2010, 11:17:26 PM
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@Serenitys_Dream
Sorry but are you TS? Maybe you're not but your posts are way too long just like TS' posts. I've been following you for sometime and I've started to think that you're the one behind TIAI. It's maybe because TS and your posts look very similar (they're all very brilliant and smart). If you're not TS, pls keep on writing your posts because they're amazing and take my words as a praise but if you're TS and telling us that you're connected to the Jackson family and you're not, pls stop doing what you're doing. Because many people belive in TS and we think Michael is coming back this summer or anytime sooner because it will be too late to fight for the message if he comes later. And if he doesn't come back, our hearts will be broken and we all will be toooooo upset because TS made us believe that there's a message of Michael and he will come back sooner or later.
@TS
Whoever TS is, if she/he/they is/are a fake, PLEASE stop telling us the lie that you're connected to Michael. And if you're connected to Michael in real, keep on doing your great job. But show us that you're related with the Jacksons.
EDIT: I'm changing the title of my post for everyone to talk about TS. So it's no more "directly" about you Serenity.
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I am not TS. I have no idea who TS is, though I have my suspicions. I do not know anyone in the Jackson family and am not even a Michael Jackson fan . Mo and Souza can see my ip address, they know I am not TS :oops: :lol:
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@Serenitys_Dream
Sorry but are you TS? Maybe you're not but your posts are way too long just like TS' posts. I've been following you for sometime and I've started to think that you're the one behind TIAI. It's maybe because TS and your posts look very similar (they're all very brilliant and smart). If you're not TS, pls keep on writing your posts because they're amazing and take my words as a praise but if you're TS and telling us that you're connected to the Jackson family and you're not, pls stop doing what you're doing. Because many people belive in TS and we think Michael is coming back this summer or anytime sooner because it will be too late to fight for the message if he comes later. And if he doesn't come back, our hearts will be broken and we all will be toooooo upset because TS made us believe that there's a message of Michael and he will come back sooner or later.
I am not TS. I have no idea who TS is, though I have my suspicions. I do not know anyone in the Jackson family and am not even a Michael Jackson fan . Mo and Souza can see my ip address, they know I am not TS :oops: :lol:
I know that you're not a MJ fan. But pls understand me. Your posts are very brilliant just like TS' post. That's the reason why I thought you could be him/her/they. I'm sorry if I offended you :oops: Pls keep on making your amazing posts. :)
P.S: I wonder what your suspicions are about who TS is :)
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My posts recently have been from the DOTS in TMZ articles so really if you think about it anyone could locate that information by connecting the DOTS.
I think the DOTS make TS even more legitimate because the DOTS are coming from a second independent source TMZ and I and others are third (4th, 5th etc) source(s) by figuring them out.
Don`t feel bad and I am not offended in the least. This is the second time on this forum that someone has thought I was behind TIAI which I am not. I received message last summer on Twitter where people thought I was Michael and behind TIAI, which I am neither. I also received messages on youtube in which people were positive I was Michael and I had to write this on my page: Please understand, I am not Michael Jackson and I do not want anyone to think that I am. Besides I am a woman :)
I am not sure why this is maybe I am a lot like him and in that case I take it as a compliment ;)
And I think TS may be Michael himself...
but that`s just my opinion.
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@Serenitys_Dream
Sorry but are you TS? Maybe you're not but your posts are way too long just like TS' posts. I've been following you for sometime and I've started to think that you're the one behind TIAI. It's maybe because TS and your posts look very similar (they're all very brilliant and smart). If you're not TS, pls keep on writing your posts because they're amazing and take my words as a praise but if you're TS and telling us that you're connected to the Jackson family and you're not, pls stop doing what you're doing. Because many people belive in TS and we think Michael is coming back this summer or anytime sooner because it will be too late to fight for the message if he comes later. And if he doesn't come back, our hearts will be broken and we all will be toooooo upset because TS made us believe that there's a message of Michael and he will come back sooner or later.
@TS
Whoever TS is, if she/he/they is/are a fake, PLEASE stop telling us the lie that you're connected to Michael. And if you're connected to Michael in real, keep on doing your great job. But show us that you're related with the Jacksons.
RS, I see that you're concerned. But I think I really need to say to you, TS is not a fake! This is found easily enough by reading all of TS' posts carefully! http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts I'm guessing you probably have, but maybe you should go back to the beginning. Look at that info, at the way those numbers add up spotlessly! There is no way that's a fan/ordinary believer! He [TS] always says that his identity isn't important: On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts. This has been brought up repeatedly, and I have repeatedly asked: does it matter? What’s important is the accuracy of the information presented (see 6-12, below). If it’s full of holes, then step up and state your case; and if not, then accept it.
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
Doesn't that scare you a little, that test thing? Who expected that? I do not want to fail MJ! The value of TS' posts, the fact that the numerology cannot be unproven, and that he has never "predicted" anything that hasn't happened (like the other "insiders", like Black or White..) shows that his evidence can stand up on its own, as truth, regardless of who wrote it! We need to equip ourselves to help MJ! Please don't put all of your concern on the BAM- believe me, I know sometimes you can't help it.. (worry over failing/disgracing myself on this "test" mixed with missing him really strongly all of a sudden had my pillow wet with tears last night).we all love him and care about him, and miss him.. but we can't focus on seeing him again!
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@Serenitys_Dream
Sorry but are you TS? Maybe you're not but your posts are way too long just like TS' posts. I've been following you for sometime and I've started to think that you're the one behind TIAI. It's maybe because TS and your posts look very similar (they're all very brilliant and smart). If you're not TS, pls keep on writing your posts because they're amazing and take my words as a praise but if you're TS and telling us that you're connected to the Jackson family and you're not, pls stop doing what you're doing. Because many people belive in TS and we think Michael is coming back this summer or anytime sooner because it will be too late to fight for the message if he comes later. And if he doesn't come back, our hearts will be broken and we all will be toooooo upset because TS made us believe that there's a message of Michael and he will come back sooner or later.
@TS
Whoever TS is, if she/he/they is/are a fake, PLEASE stop telling us the lie that you're connected to Michael. And if you're connected to Michael in real, keep on doing your great job. But show us that you're related with the Jacksons.
RS, I see that you're concerned. But I think I really need to say to you, TS is not a fake! This is found easily enough by reading all of TS' posts carefully! http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts I'm guessing you probably have, but maybe you should go back to the beginning. Look at that info, at the way those numbers add up spotlessly! There is no way that's a fan/ordinary believer! He [TS] always says that his identity isn't important: On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts. This has been brought up repeatedly, and I have repeatedly asked: does it matter? What’s important is the accuracy of the information presented (see 6-12, below). If it’s full of holes, then step up and state your case; and if not, then accept it.
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
Doesn't that scare you a little, that test thing? Who expected that? I do not want to fail MJ! The value of TS' posts, the fact that the numerology cannot be unproven, and that he has never "predicted" anything that hasn't happened (like the other "insiders", like Black or White..) shows that his evidence can stand up on its own, as truth, regardless of who wrote it! We need to equip ourselves to help MJ! Please don't put all of your concern on the BAM- believe me, I know sometimes you can't help it.. (worry over failing/disgracing myself on this "test" mixed with missing him really strongly all of a sudden had my pillow wet with tears last night).we all love him and care about him, and miss him.. but we can't focus on seeing him again!
Thank you for your post. It's maybe because many tried to deceive us and I sometimes lose my trust on people about being the insider. I never ever underestimated TS' job BUT I can not underestimate the things some people do like Serenity, like Seeing Clues, like PianoGames. They find very interesting things and they have brilliant work like TS. All I want is to be sure 100% that TS is related to the Jacksons and start spreading the truth to non-believers with the proof TS gives to us. Nobody believes me now when I say that TS is an insider. I tried to show every single way but it doesn't work on non-believers. :|
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My posts recently have been from the DOTS in TMZ articles so really if you think about it anyone could locate that information by connecting the DOTS.
I think the DOTS make TS even more legitimate because the DOTS are coming from a second independent source TMZ and I and others are third (4th, 5th etc) source(s) by figuring them out.
Don`t feel bad and I am not offended in the least. This is the second time on this forum that someone has thought I was behind TIAI which I am not. I received message last summer on Twitter where people thought I was Michael and behind TIAI, which I am neither. I also received messages on youtube in which people were positive I was Michael and I had to write this on my page: Please understand, I am not Michael Jackson and I do not want anyone to think that I am. Besides I am a woman :)
I am not sure why this is maybe I am a lot like him and in that case I take it as a compliment ;)
And I think TS may be Michael himself...
but that`s just my opinion.
Great to know that I'm not the only curious bonkers :lol:
I dunno why but I never thought that TS is Michael himself but can be someone related to him. I couldn't imagine Michael sit and write all these things. Maybe he told about these details to someone and he/she is telling them to us.
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Pink, I have my suspicion that failing the test is more about rejecting the evidence in the message that TS has been delivering. Of being more concerned who is it before accepting it. If the evidence didn't stand the test of scrutiny then fine, don't listen. But it does. You know, we all have different gifts and talents. None more valuable or important than anothers. A good and faithful heart is a real treasure. If this only about my ability to crack the code, then as I stated yesterday...I'll be up doo doo creek without a paddle. But I'm convinced of much better things than that. This is why we need each one of us. We all contribute something that is uniquely ours to the whole. And I hate tests too. ;)
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Pink, I have my suspicion that failing the test is more about rejecting the evidence in the message that TS has been delivering. Of being more concerned who is it before accepting it. If the evidence didn't stand the test of scrutiny then fine, don't listen. But it does. You know, we all have different gifts and talents. None more valuable or important than anothers. A good and faithful heart is a real treasure. If this only about my ability to crack the code, then as I stated yesterday...I'll be up doo doo creek without a paddle. But I'm convinced of much better things than that. This is why we need each one of us. We all contribute something that is uniquely ours to the whole. And I hate tests too. ;)
This test scared me. I mean what if it's kind of a warning like "Believe me or I'll leave you alone without the knowledge" kind of threat? :|
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Pink, I have my suspicion that failing the test is more about rejecting the evidence in the message that TS has been delivering. Of being more concerned who is it before accepting it. If the evidence didn't stand the test of scrutiny then fine, don't listen. But it does. You know, we all have different gifts and talents. None more valuable or important than anothers. A good and faithful heart is a real treasure. If this only about my ability to crack the code, then as I stated yesterday...I'll be up doo doo creek without a paddle. But I'm convinced of much better things than that. This is why we need each one of us. We all contribute something that is uniquely ours to the whole. And I hate tests too. ;)
Thank you for that, RK! The bold made me chuckle! I know how you feel about it, too, because I often feel like my brain isn't sharp enough to keep up with people like Serenity, or TS or sometimes you! Combined with the fact that I have slow dial-up, made even slower by other people loading things they need to load daily, and not a lot of time to use the Web, I often feel kind of useless, but I love this place so much because we all have someone who feels the same!
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This test scared me. I mean what if it's kind of a warning like "Believe me or I'll leave you alone without the knowledge" kind of threat? :|
Stay awake.
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This test scared me. I mean what if it's kind of a warning like "Believe me or I'll leave you alone without the knowledge" kind of threat? :|
Stay awake.
Yeah that took me when I first read the last update. I mean why would Michael test us?!? Haven't we had enough? Many people deceived us already. That seemed like a warning to me like "Follow me and believe me or I won't give you no more knowledge". I don't know no more what to believe :| You don't believe in TS, do you Grace?
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I do believe in Mike being alive.
Everything else of my personal ideas doesn't matter too much.
I am laughing about myself a lot. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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There was a time when i tried talking about believing TS but after a lot of bashing i shut my mouth up. It's upto everyone's self who they want to believe.
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This test scared me. I mean what if it's kind of a warning like "Believe me or I'll leave you alone without the knowledge" kind of threat? :|
Stay awake.
Yeah that took me when I first read the last update. I mean why would Michael test us?!? Haven't we had enough? Many people deceived us already. That seemed like a warning to me like "Follow me and believe me or I won't give you no more knowledge". I don't know no more what to believe :| You don't believe in TS, do you Grace?
That test thing confused me too. And I have to agree with you on that. It sounds like a warning. And Elvis is coming back after 33 years? I don't believe that too. Anyways, we'll see if TS is really legit if something comes from the Jacksons about This is also it. If TS says that he doesn't need to prove anything kind of thing, it means that he's just another faker. I still do appreciate the work she/he has done but I would never ever forgive him/her for lying to us that she/he is related to Michael.
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My thought was that T.S just might be Michael........
We will find out in the next chapter of This Is It...... :lol:
Stay tuned
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The idea of a test is not a warning nor is it this test something we have to pass or fail but is instead a measurement of how well we are accepting the reasons behind the hoax.
In statistics, you only need a small sample (number of people) to actually TEST to be able to gauge the response of the over all population.
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TS is straight to the point and I think he has proven to be very legit by now, so I don't get why people are still questioning his intentions. Because of the 'test'? Don't you guys realize the whole past year has been a test for everyone on so many levels and in so many ways?
If Mike will return with the message we have all been discussing, of course he needs to test if his army is ready for it.
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This test scared me. I mean what if it's kind of a warning like "Believe me or I'll leave you alone without the knowledge" kind of threat? :|
Stay awake.
Yeah that took me when I first read the last update. I mean why would Michael test us?!? Haven't we had enough? Many people deceived us already. That seemed like a warning to me like "Follow me and believe me or I won't give you no more knowledge". I don't know no more what to believe :| You don't believe in TS, do you Grace?
That test thing confused me too. And I have to agree with you on that. It sounds like a warning. And Elvis is coming back after 33 years? I don't believe that too. Anyways, we'll see if TS is really legit if something comes from the Jacksons about This is also it. If TS says that he doesn't need to prove anything kind of thing, it means that he's just another faker. I still do appreciate the work she/he has done but I would never ever forgive him/her for lying to us that she/he is related to Michael.
The idea of a test is not a warning nor is it this test something we have to pass or fail but is instead a measurement of how well we are accepting the reasons behind the hoax.
In statistics, you only need a small sample (number of people) to actually TEST to be able to gauge the response of the over all population.
Sorry but that's what I understand when I read the test part. He also wrote: Many FAILED the test. That doesn't sound like Michael or someone close to Michael.
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TS is straight to the point and I think he has proven to be very legit by now, so I don't get why people are still questioning his intentions. Because of the 'test'? Don't you guys realize the whole past year has been a test for everyone on so many levels and in so many ways?
If Mike will return with the message we have all been discussing, of course he needs to test if his army is ready for it.
Exactly, this whole year and this whole hoax was a test to us. Why would Michael need to do more tests on believers and why would it be through a web-page thing? Is this the way to understand if his army is ready by testing them through a web-site, if we checked out that web site or not? Is this the test or is this the test that's suppose to be to test his army? I don't think so. That sounds ridiculous to me. But again, it's my opinion. And I can be wrong or I can be right.
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Failing the test in that case is not understanding or accepting the reasons why this has all happened.
The following are excerpts of TS' posts which have led me to believe that TS IS Michael.
TS said:
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
This entire story is important it is a parable. A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. Parables were used by Jesus to teach his apostles and the faithful.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact,if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
Please read this two paragraphs from different sections of TS' posts together, focus on the RED.
Furthermore, I did not promote any specific religious organization. I am not personally a Jehovah’s Witness, and I am not trying to promote the Jehovah’s Witness organization (WatchTower) and/or the entire Jehovah’s Witness belief system. Nevertheless, I do believe some of the Witnesses doctrines.
This does not mean that Michael still holds all of the same (Jehovah’s Witness) beliefs that he had in earlier years. But on the other hand, he does still have some of those beliefs.
Very interesting...
whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ.
Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear”.
Does this sound familiar?
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
In other words if I told you the truth, you wouldn't believe it. So it is safer to deny who I (TS/MJ) really am.
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions.
In other words: "I Love You ALL, I Really Do" 8-)
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TS is straight to the point and I think he has proven to be very legit by now, so I don't get why people are still questioning his intentions. Because of the 'test'? Don't you guys realize the whole past year has been a test for everyone on so many levels and in so many ways?
If Mike will return with the message we have all been discussing, of course he needs to test if his army is ready for it.
Just in case you're addressing me in there, too, Souza, I never questioned his intentions and I've never doubted his legitimacy- it's just that the way he worded the test part and another member of the board's theory about the test confused me a bit- but I really do feel like I've come so far since the 25th and I'm ready to help MJ with whatever I need to do.
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Sorry but that's what I understand when I read the test part. He also wrote: Many FAILED the test. That doesn't sound like Michael or someone close to Michael.
Failing the test in that case is not understanding or accepting the reasons why this has all happened.
The following are excerpts of TS' posts which have led me to believe that TS IS Michael.
TS said:
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
This entire story is important it is a parable. A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. Parables were used by Jesus to teach his apostles and the faithful.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact,if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
Please read this two paragraphs from different sections of TS' posts together, focus on the RED.
Furthermore, I did not promote any specific religious organization. I am not personally a Jehovah’s Witness, and I am not trying to promote the Jehovah’s Witness organization (WatchTower) and/or the entire Jehovah’s Witness belief system. Nevertheless, I do believe some of the Witnesses doctrines.
This does not mean that Michael still holds all of the same (Jehovah’s Witness) beliefs that he had in earlier years. But on the other hand, he does still have some of those beliefs.
Very interesting...
whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ.
Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear”.
Does this sound familiar?
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
In other words if I told you the truth, you wouldn't believe it. So it is safer to deny who I (TS/MJ) really am.
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions.
In other words: "I Love You ALL, I Really Do" 8-)
Thank you so much for spending your time Serenity. I read all of TS updates already and the parts you wrote with red and underlined took my attention too. I respect what you believe but I don't believe TS is Michael. It's maybe we've deceived by a lot who were trying to act like Michael. It's maybe I can not trust people easily afterall. Even if I want to believe that TS is Michael, the part inside me who wants to protect myself from liars, dangers etc stop me. Maybe it's just my self defense. And I still think what I think about that test thing.
I still believe and appreciate MOST of the things TS wrote. Just except the Elvis coming back part. That was too far fetched to me. But I still do agree with Michael's message part. And that's the IMPORTANT part I think. If Michael comes back this summer or anytime sooner, we'll all learn the truth about TS I guess. And even if I'm wrong about TS, I know that I'm right about Michael's message and that's what is important to save the world. The identity of TS or if he's really related to Michael is NOT important. It's just if he's another faker and if Michael doesn't come back, we're going to get hurt so so much. That's what scares me. I don't want to fill myself with the hope of a comeback which almost all of my heart believes in but just in case of the opposite possibility, I pull myself back and try to look at everything objectively. I'm a troop of the L.O.V.E army still, nothing has been changed. And I'm NOT going to fail Michael. That's what matters I think. ;)
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The thing is Purove, youu are using a defence mechanism to protect yourself. You are not using critical thinking nor looking at things with an open mind.
As far as Elvis returning to public life, that really isn't what was said. That part was as follows and does not necessarily mean a PHYSICAL "BAM" by Elvis but does suggest a physical one by Michael.
TS said:
"Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
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Sorry but that's what I understand when I read the test part. He also wrote: Many FAILED the test. That doesn't sound like Michael or someone close to Michael.
Failing the test in that case is not understanding or accepting the reasons why this has all happened.
The following are excerpts of TS' posts which have led me to believe that TS IS Michael.
TS said:[/b]
Although the majority of comments about TIAI have been very positive, yet there have been several complaints and objections that need to be addressed. But before getting into any further details, let me tell a short story. Whether it is true or not isn’t important—the point is still the same; nevertheless, it was told to me as a true story.
This entire story is important it is a parable. A parable is a brief, succinct story, in prose or verse, that illustrates a moral or religious lesson. Parables were used by Jesus to teach his apostles and the faithful.
The Lynyrd Skynyrd band was eating in a restaurant one day, when someone put money in the jukebox and picked “Sweet Home Alabama”. Then the band chimed in, and started singing along. Soon the man who paid for the song on the jukebox asked them to stop singing, because this was his favourite song—and he wanted to hear the real band singing it, not them! The band kindly stopped singing; but when they were leaving, they asked the waitress (who knew that they were Lynyrd Skynryd) to let the jukebox man know who they really were—once they were gone.
I think that the point to the story is obvious. Some hoax believers don’t know MJ quite as well as they might think. In fact,if MJ were here personally on these forums, some of the MJ “fans” would reject what he said and even say unkind things to him—and not even realize that it was him!
Please read this two paragraphs from different sections of TS' posts together, focus on the RED.
Furthermore, I did not promote any specific religious organization. I am not personally a Jehovah’s Witness, and I am not trying to promote the Jehovah’s Witness organization (WatchTower) and/or the entire Jehovah’s Witness belief system. Nevertheless, I do believe some of the Witnesses doctrines.
This does not mean that Michael still holds all of the same (Jehovah’s Witness) beliefs that he had in earlier years. But on the other hand, he does still have some of those beliefs.
Very interesting...
whether I was MJ, or at least someone very close to MJ.
Once “This Is It” started showing in the theatres: it appeared as though I was “gone”; but in reality I was still watching, “directing” TIAI from behind the scenes, until the right time for me to “reappear”.
Does this sound familiar?
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood. I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.
In other words if I told you the truth, you wouldn't believe it. So it is safer to deny who I (TS/MJ) really am.
I love all of you hoax believers, even those who have opposed TIAI; and I also love the non-believers. In fact, I love all people of all races and all religions.
In other words: "I Love You ALL, I Really Do" 8-)
Thank you so much for spending your time Serenity. I read all of TS updates already and the parts you wrote with red and underlined took my attention too. I respect what you believe but I don't believe TS is Michael. It's maybe we've deceived by a lot who were trying to act like Michael. It's maybe I can not trust people easily afterall. Even if I want to believe that TS is Michael, the part inside me who wants to protect myself from liars, dangers etc stop me. Maybe it's just my self defense. And I still think what I think about that test thing.
I still believe and appreciate MOST of the things TS wrote. Just except the Elvis coming back part. That was too far fetched to me. But I still do agree with Michael's message part. And that's the IMPORTANT part I think. If Michael comes back this summer or anytime sooner, we'll all learn the truth about TS I guess. And even if I'm wrong about TS, I know that I'm right about Michael's message and that's what is important to save the world. The identity of TS or if he's really related to Michael is NOT important. It's just if he's another faker and if Michael doesn't come back, we're going to get hurt so so much. That's what scares me. I don't want to fill myself with the hope of a comeback which almost all of my heart believes in but just in case of the opposite possibility, I pull myself back and try to look at everything objectively. I'm a troop of the L.O.V.E army still, nothing has been changed. And I'm NOT going to fail Michael. That's what matters I think. ;)
The thing is Purove, youu are using a defence mechanism to protect yourself. You are not using critical thinking nor looking at things with an open mind.
As far as Elvis returning to public life, that really isn't what was said. That part was as follows and does not necessarily mean a PHYSICAL "BAM" by Elvis but does suggest a physical one by Michael.
TS said:
"Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
I have to disagree with you because I do look at things with an open mind. That's the reason why I'm here and that's the reason why I understand Michael's message. Everyone has their own opinion and you shouldn't blame people with being narrow minded when they disagree with you. I explained my reasons so open. This's enough for me. I'm off this topic.
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I believe you have misunderstood me as this is not a personal attack at all. I am not blaming you for anything. If you are defending yourself from being hurt then you are closing yourself to the possibilities. I did not say you were narrow minded. I said that in regards to TS only that you were viewing it with a closed mind as a defensive mechanism and it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me.This is an observation based on what you had written yourself as your reasons.
I did not say that I know for sure that TS is Michael, I said that I believe he may be. You also said that one of the reasons why you thought he might not be was to do with the Test and I have explained what the test is referring to.
As far as Elvis returning to public life, that really isn't what was said. That part was as follows and does not necessarily mean a PHYSICAL "BAM" by Elvis but does suggest a physical one by Michael.
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I have to disagree with you because I do look at things with an open mind. That's the reason why I'm here and that's the reason why I understand Michael's message. Everyone has their own opinion and you shouldn't blame people with being narrow minded when they disagree with you. I explained my reasons so open. This's enough for me. I'm off this topic.
I believe you have misunderstood me as this is not a personal attack at all. I am not blaming you for anything. If you are defending yourself from being hurt then you are closing yourself to the possibilities. I did not say you were narrow minded. I said that in regards to TS only that you were viewing it with a closed mind as a defensive mechanism and it had nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me.This is an observation based on what you had written yourself as your reasons:
I didn't get it as a personal attack hon, no worries about that. It's just my english is not that good to express what I'm trying to say. And it just bothers me when I can not define myself. Actually I'm OPENING myself to the possibilities. I had never ever thought that TS could be a fake since I saw that test thing. And I defended him blindly all the time. After I saw that test issue, I opened my mind to the possibility of he could be a fake. It's not just only about my self defense mechanism.
I did not say that I know for sure that TS is Michael, I said that I believe he may be. You also said that one of the reasons why you thought he might not be was to do with the Test and I have explained what the test is referring to.
Yes, you explained what you get from the test part. And I said that I don't get it that way. It still looks like a warning to me. I think we should agree to disagree on this issue.
And I pointed out what TS actually said.
As far as Elvis returning to public life, that really isn't what was said. That part was as follows and does not necessarily mean a PHYSICAL "BAM" by Elvis but does suggest a physical one by Michael.
TS said:[/b][/color]
"Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
I know for sure what TS wrote about Elvis and I never wrote that Elvis is going to come back in flesh and bone in the public audience. I meant anything about Elvis being alive is NOT going to explode in the news and etc. I do not believe the trial of Eliza is going to be learnt by the public. Just except by a few hoax investigators like us but that's it. That's the reason why I wrote Elvis' come back is too far fetched to me.
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I just have one question. If Michael is trying to reach the masses with his message, why would he make it so convulated and difficult to understand that we would require someone to "translate" it for us? It's so contradictory to his music and lyrics.
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TMZ.com is a celebrity news web site which debuted on November 8, 2005. It was a collaboration between America Online (AOL) and Telepictures Productions, a division of Warner Bros., until Time Warner divested AOL in 2009. The site is now under the sole control of Warner Bros.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMZ.com
Time Warner (formerly AOL Time Warner) is the world's second largest entertainment conglomerate in terms of revenue (behind Disney and ahead of News Corporation and Viacom), as well as the world's largest media conglomerate, headquartered in the Time Warner Center in New York City. Formerly two separate companies, Warner Communications, Inc. and Time Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner
Warner Communications was established in 1971 when Kinney National Company spun off its non-entertainment assets, due to a financial scandal over its parking operations and changed its name.
It was the parent company for Warner Bros. Pictures and Warner Music Group during the 1970s and 1980s. It also owned DC Comics and Mad. Warner made (and later lost) considerable profits with Atari, which it owned from 1976 to 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Communications
Warner Bros. Entertainment, Inc., also known as Warner Bros. Pictures or simply Warner Bros.is an American producer of film and television entertainment.
One of the major film studios, it is a subsidiary of Time Warner, with its headquarters in Burbank, California and New York City. Warner Bros. has several subsidiary companies, including Warner Bros. Studios, Warner Bros. Pictures, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Warner Bros. Television, Warner Bros. Animation, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema, TheWB.com, and DC Comics. Warner owns half of The CW Television Network.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros.
This establishes that Time-Warner (AOL, Warner Bros. etc) is the parent company of TMZ.
Saudi Prince To Double Stake in AOL
By Lori Enos NewsFactor Network November 3, 2000
Billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal said Thursday that he intends to double his investment in America Online (NYSE: AOL), bringing his stake to a whopping $2.05 billion (US$).
The prince decided to invest more heavily in AOL because he reportedly believes the company is the "anchor of the industry" and will flourish even though other high-tech companies are "collapsing and going under left and right."
"America Online is the No. 1 Internet company in the world and has a solid foundation and is making profit," the prince said in published reports. "When the dust settles on the dot-com industry, America Online will be around."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/573781/posts
Michael Jackson forms entertainment venture with Saudi Arabian prince
Jet, April 8, 1996
The king of pop, Michael Jackson, recently launched a joint venture with Saudi Arabia's Prince al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to promote entertainment based on "family values."
Kingdom Entertainment, the name of the new venture, will develop a variety of entertainment projects such as movies, books, hotels, recordings, licensing, merchandising and theme parks.
"Michael Jackson and I shared the same interests and the same essential values," the Prince said about Jackson, whom he met 18 months ago in Paris and says also shares his "need to preserve family values."
The megastar, who designed the project's logo of a jeweled Excaliburstyle sword in a rock, said he wanted to be "actively involved in all facets of the global multimedia explosion."
Kingdom Entertainment's first project will be to sponsor Jackson's HIStory world tour.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n21_v89/ai_18170326/
[youtube:4rqq5io0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LxRAweU7Fs[/youtube:4rqq5io0]
Kingdom Entertainment
The Kingdom Entertainment Group is a leading event production company providing its services for corporate and non profit events, award and fashion shows, touring presentations and network TV specials.
http://www.kingdomeventgrp.com/
One of the major shareholders (owners?) in Time-Warner (AOL, Warner bros. etc) is a good friend and business associate of Michael Jackson. Maybe this is the influence on TMZ.
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If TS is not Michael, TS is doing what Michael tells :mrgreen:
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If TS is not Michael, TS is doing what Michael tells :mrgreen:
yep, TS can be Michael/someone related to Michael or TS can be a MJ poser.
And as much as some people push others to believe in TS, as much as I start to believe TS is another fake. :roll:
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If TS is not Michael, TS is doing what Michael tells :mrgreen:
yep, TS can be Michael/someone related to Michael or TS can be a MJ poser.
And as much as some people push others to believe in TS, as much as I start to believe TS is another fake. :roll:
Well, I hate fakes, but I always check what they have to say first. All were debunked, but I have found nothing to debunk TS and I am sure I won't find anything, not even if I try very very hard.
If you think he's a fake, then explain why and try to debunk TS. Just calling TS a fake is not an argument. I find it odd that so many people are kissing feet of BoW, MidnightMilk and all the others that are trying to 'inform'. Yet they have proven to be fakes multiple times. TS on the other hand never claimed to be anyone, only said he is passing on important information and he actually backes it up. No one succeeded yet to post anything that debunked his posts, not even a snippet.
Besides that, he is making people think and investigate. He is not trying to convince people with theories, he is presenting info and facts. As long as there is no one that convinces me otherwise, I will support and defend TS. You can call that pushing, I call it logic.
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If TS is not Michael, TS is doing what Michael tells :mrgreen:
yep, TS can be Michael/someone related to Michael or TS can be a MJ poser.
And as much as some people push others to believe in TS, as much as I start to believe TS is another fake. :roll:
Well, I hate fakes, but I always check what they have to say first. All were debunked, but I have found nothing to debunk TS and I am sure I won't find anything, not even if I try very very hard.
If you think he's a fake, then explain why and try to debunk TS. Just calling TS a fake is not an argument. I find it odd that so many people are kissing feet of BoW, MidnightMilk and all the others that are trying to 'inform'. Yet they have proven to be fakes multiple times. TS on the other hand never claimed to be anyone, only said he is passing on important information and he actually backes it up. No one succeeded yet to post anything that debunked his posts, not even a snippet.
Besides that, he is making people think and investigate. He is not trying to convince people with theories, he is presenting info and facts. As long as there is no one that convinces me otherwise, I will support and defend TS. You can call that pushing, I call it logic.
EVEN IF TS IN NOT MJ RELATED I HAVE TO SAY THAT HIS/HER POSTS ARE AWAKENING A LOT OF PEOPLE, MY HEAD HURTS EVERY TIME I READ ALL THE INFO BUT IS BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS WORKING, MY BRAIN WAS SLEEPING FOR LOONG TIME AND NOW IS WORKING A LOT... I DON´T WATCH TV A LOT (ONLY MJ RELATED, LOL!) WHEN I GO TO SLEEP I REALLY SLEEP LIKE NEVER BEFORE, LIKE A BABY... IS BECAUSE I´M THINKING FOR M SELF AND I´M MUCH MORE HAPPY BECAUSE I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT I CAN CHANGE THE WORLD, AND I´M TRYING EVERY DAY REALLY HARD!!! BE HAPPY, HAVE PATIENCE, EDUCATE YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS, PLANT A TREE... CHANGE THE WORLD!!! :mrgreen:
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Sometimes it is a good idea to not only go back and reread TS's posts but to also reread our own. Sometimes a subtle change over a long period of time is not that noticable until you go back to the beginning and take a closer look at where you were from the start and where you are now in terms of attitude, perspective, etc.
Talking about change is one thing....being the change is another. Developing the skills to place yourself in another's shoes and view situations from their eyes takes a while, but it can bring a peace to your spirit like nothing else.
Piece by piece, TS has stood the test of time and any admonishment has been gentle and constructive. If I haven't said it before, TS you are appreciated and you are loved. :)
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Very well CC and angel.. ;)
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Thanks, paula-c :) @Serenitys_Dream, back in Update #5, section 5-10, Hoax, Accident, Murder or Suicide?, paragraph 8 stood out to me where TS writes......."One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like "pains" in the memorial. This person most likely has not spent years in music production. If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the "s" sound into the audio. We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital it's a thousand times easier."
For some reason, this section just sounds as though TS is speaking from personal experience; as though he/she has been in the business for years and has extensive knowledge of music production. Any thoughts on this?
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angel, Well, ever since the redirects TS seemed to me that he or she must be a messenger that he or she may be, but all that amount of information and numbers is for someone who is looking to reach people in this case we.
I think the information is very good, do not think anyone can take all that time to write all this to fool and play with us and another number of people, that TS is read in other forums.
I think what you say is true monument, and no one noticed, TS speaking as someone who has extensive experience ;)
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Thanks, paula-c :) @Serenitys_Dream, back in Update #5, section 5-10, Hoax, Accident, Murder or Suicide?, paragraph 8 stood out to me where TS writes......."One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like "pains" in the memorial. This person most likely has not spent years in music production. If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the "s" sound into the audio. We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital it's a thousand times easier."
For some reason, this section just sounds as though TS is speaking from personal experience; as though he/she has been in the business for years and has extensive knowledge of music production. Any thoughts on this?
Yes, that TS could be someone in the music industry who isn't 18 anymore, because he speaks of 'we' instead of 'they' when he talks about the analogue days. While some of us still remember the annoying tapes you had to rewind and forward to be able to start a particular song, a lot of artists these days were born in the digital generation.
Leaves us to.... still hundreds, or even thousands of artists.
I believe that when the time is right, TS will reveal his identity. Until then we can only speculate, because we will never know for sure, and it's not important IMO.
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If TS is not Michael, TS is doing what Michael tells :mrgreen:
yep, TS can be Michael/someone related to Michael or TS can be a MJ poser.
And as much as some people push others to believe in TS, as much as I start to believe TS is another fake. :roll:
Well, I hate fakes, but I always check what they have to say first. All were debunked, but I have found nothing to debunk TS and I am sure I won't find anything, not even if I try very very hard.
If you think he's a fake, then explain why and try to debunk TS. Just calling TS a fake is not an argument. I find it odd that so many people are kissing feet of BoW, MidnightMilk and all the others that are trying to 'inform'. Yet they have proven to be fakes multiple times. TS on the other hand never claimed to be anyone, only said he is passing on important information and he actually backes it up. No one succeeded yet to post anything that debunked his posts, not even a snippet.
Besides that, he is making people think and investigate. He is not trying to convince people with theories, he is presenting info and facts. As long as there is no one that convinces me otherwise, I will support and defend TS. You can call that pushing, I call it logic.
First of, you guys need to calm down and stop defending TS all the time. You should allow people to tell their opinion about TS. As much as you PUSH harder on us to believe TS is legit, as much as people start to believe that TS is you, Mo or Serenity. They don't say anything here because you ban them or all of you jump on them. I didn't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 90%. The information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacsons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders? And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'. He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I don't think that he's legit but I'm too tired and not feeling well because of the 25th.
I do understand and respect people who believe that TS is legit but you should respect the ones who don't believe it. And believing TS is NOT only about the information he gives, don't forget this. And when you defend TS, it doesn't look like logic like the way you think. It definitely seems like Pushing people to belive TS and it makes people think that you are behind TS' posts. I'm honest and saying what lots of people think about TS even they can not write it on this forum. Because you guys pushed a lot and people are scared to talk negatively about TS. And this isn't right. Allow us to tell what we think. And let TS defend himself/herself. He's got the magic words, I'm sure that he can do it.
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First off the title of this thread is SERENITY & TS.
I happen to be Serenity so I will write whatever I want in a thread written directly to me :D
I was asked a question and I answered it . If people have their doubts about who I am, that's there problem. I have been making videos and investigating this hoax since June 25th. I realize now, I probably should have pursued a career as a private investigator, a spy or something like that. Does that mean I am behind any of this? Hell no!
I have already stated that I am not TS. Just because I get the "message", doesn't mean I am the person writing the TS updates or doing the redirects. I also do not work for TMZ so there is no way that I am responsible for the acronyms in the darn TMZ articles.
The admins of this site, MJHD.net, Maura's forum, Tracy k's forum, Rae Benjamin's forum have all seen my ip address, which hasn't changed. It isn't a proxy server, the admins could probably use it to locate my home and it is not TS ip address either. How do I know it isn't TS' ip because I don't know who TS is!
The way I see it is this, I get it, I understand what the message is in these DOTS of the articles. Should I keep that to myself or should I post that? If I have information from deciphering the DOTS shouldn't I be sharing that? I mean, what exactly do you want? If I have any information isn't that what this damn forum is for?
As far as me saying whom I thought TS was and why, the OP asked me. So I answered! I can not help the way my mind works and frankly, I wouldn't want to change it. I think outside the box and you know what? Obviously, so does Michael! He has meticulously planned all of this out, and this is a man I can truly admire.
If he doesn't marry me, he better at least give me a job, cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free :lol:
Like I have said before, the only way TS could know that there were acronyms in the TMZ articles is: either they work for TMZ or they have inside information. I am not here to make anyone believe anything, freedom of choice. What you believe is your business but if you make a comment that counters my belief then I will answer that, usually with some facts to back up my answer too. This is after all a discussion forum.
If you don't want to believe in TS, you don't have to. It's as easy as skipping over the posts made in regards to the updates and anything else that has to do with TS. No one makes you read a single post or write a comment. That is your choice completely.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
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Well, I hate fakes, but I always check what they have to say first. All were debunked, but I have found nothing to debunk TS and I am sure I won't find anything, not even if I try very very hard.
If you think he's a fake, then explain why and try to debunk TS. Just calling TS a fake is not an argument. I find it odd that so many people are kissing feet of BoW, MidnightMilk and all the others that are trying to 'inform'. Yet they have proven to be fakes multiple times. TS on the other hand never claimed to be anyone, only said he is passing on important information and he actually backes it up. No one succeeded yet to post anything that debunked his posts, not even a snippet.
Besides that, he is making people think and investigate. He is not trying to convince people with theories, he is presenting info and facts. As long as there is no one that convinces me otherwise, I will support and defend TS. You can call that pushing, I call it logic.
First of, you guys need to calm down and stop defending TS all the time. You should allow people to tell their opinion about TS. As much as you PUSH harder on us to believe TS is legit, as much as people start to believe that TS is you, Mo or Serenity. They don't say anything here because you ban them or all of you jump on them. I didn't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 90%. The information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacsons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders? And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'. He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I don't think that he's legit but I'm too tired and not feeling well because of the 25th.
I do understand and respect people who believe that TS is legit but you should respect the ones who don't believe it. And believing TS is NOT only about the information he gives, don't forget this. And when you defend TS, it doesn't look like logic like the way you think. It definitely seems like Pushing people to belive TS and it makes people think that you are behind TS' posts. I'm honest and saying what lots of people think about TS even they can not write it on this forum. Because you guys pushed a lot and people are scared to talk negatively about TS. And this isn't right. Allow us to tell what we think. And let TS defend himself/herself. He's got the magic words, I'm sure that he can do it.
If you don't want to believe in TS, you don't have to. It's as easy as skipping over the posts made in regards to the updates and anything else that has to do with TS. No one makes you read a single post or write a comment. That is your choice completely.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
I couldn't agree more with Souza and Serenity, especially what's in bold there. But RS, what's in bold from you- didn't Souza specifically say that she's not trying to 'push' him? She only defends him when she needs to, not all of the time! Stop trying to stir controversy- they do not ban people that "talk negatively" about TS- believe me, if they did, there would be some people gone right now that are not![/u] Besides, what she said is right- I am so sick and tired of the way people (I don't mean people here) get all excited by Black or White or especially that MidNight MLK when they have been proven fakes and go around with all of their "predictions" and whatnot..TS' numerology doesn't lie, and he doesn't try to predict anything or make chums with people so they'll listen to him! I'm just frustrated by everyone "losing faith" in TS because he doesn't say "I'm Michael, everyone!" or whatever, I'm frustrated by people not focusing on MJ's message instead of their depression and again "losing faith" because he's not "back" on June 25th..!! I'm not personally attacking you, Restless Soul..
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yep, TS can be Michael/someone related to Michael or TS can be a MJ poser.
And as much as some people push others to believe in TS, as much as I start to believe TS is another fake. :roll:
All of you guys seem to pass this post of mine. I wrote TS can be Michael or an MJ Poser. I never dismiss the possibility of him being MJ or related. But when people push so hard, it makes me believe that he's a fake. That's what I wrote.
@PinkTopaz
TS' numerology don't lie? Where did I say that it lies??? I wrote that I do agree with his theory 90%. About BoW and Midnight person, I never ever followed those, you can NOT find any post of mine related with those. I NEVER thought that Michael would have been coming back on the 25th and it's definitely NOT about any depression or anything like that you wrote. Souza asked my reasons and I wrote them. My thoughts about TS have been like this for a very very long time. It has nothing to do with the 25th. And thank you but it's my own decision what to read and criticize.
First off the title of this thread is SERENITY & TS.
I happen to be Serenity so I will write whatever I want in a thread written directly to me :D
I was asked a question and I answered it . If people have their doubts about who I am, that's there problem. I have been making videos and investigating this hoax since June 25th. I realize now, I probably should have pursued a career as a private investigator, a spy or something like that. Does that mean I am behind any of this? Hell no!
I have already stated that I am not TS. Just because I get the "message", doesn't mean I am the person writing the TS updates or doing the redirects. I also do not work for TMZ so there is no way that I am responsible for the acronyms in the darn TMZ articles.
The admins of this site, MJHD.net, Maura's forum, Tracy k's forum, Rae Benjamin's forum have all seen my ip address, which hasn't changed. It isn't a proxy server, the admins could probably use it to locate my home and it is not TS ip address either. How do I know it isn't TS' ip because I don't know who TS is!
The way I see it is this, I get it, I understand what the message is in these DOTS of the articles. Should I keep that to myself or should I post that? If I have information from deciphering the DOTS shouldn't I be sharing that? I mean, what exactly do you want? If I have any information isn't that what this damn forum is for?
As far as me saying whom I thought TS was and why, the OP asked me. So I answered! I can not help the way my mind works and frankly, I wouldn't want to change it. I think outside the box and you know what? Obviously, so does Michael! He has meticulously planned all of this out, and this is a man I can truly admire.
If he doesn't marry me, he better at least give me a job, cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free :lol:
Like I have said before, the only way TS could know that there were acronyms in the TMZ articles is: either they work for TMZ or they have inside information. I am not here to make anyone believe anything, freedom of choice. What you believe is your business but if you make a comment that counters my belief then I will answer that, usually with some facts to back up my answer too. This is after all a discussion forum.
If you don't want to believe in TS, you don't have to. It's as easy as skipping over the posts made in regards to the updates and anything else that has to do with TS. No one makes you read a single post or write a comment. That is your choice completely.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Serenity first of you're NOT the only one who got the message but you're the one who make those long posts everywhere and the one who tries to make people believe that TS is Michael. It seems like you spend all of your time here. And what exactly does it mean: "cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free". You work for Michael? Or was that a slip-up that looks like a joke?
Anyways, I never said anything bad about your posts here! On the contrary I wrote how smart you are etc. I see the point why you keep on bringing the issue to yourself but I want you to know that I'm NOT only giving you as an example! I many times wrote that there're very smart hoax vid makers, some blog makers! I gave you guys as an example how smart posts some people can make! I used the names Serenity, Mo and Souza because you're the ones who push people to make believe in TS. Accept it or not, that's what it seems. I know any of you guys and I can never ever have any problem with you guys but I'm being objective.
About the IP thing, is it so hard to tell someone what to write from another country? I'm not blaming you, don't jump on me again but IP proves nothing.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Hey hey heyyyyyyyy you need to stop there! It's your decision what to do with your info BUT do NOT underestimate ANYONE on this forum! NOBODY is focusing on the media BS here! We're finding the clues WITHOUT you, so no need to be arrogant! And NOT everything you find is a clue or really meant to be something that TMZ wants to tell. So don't be flattered that much.
Ok, this is it from me. You asked me the reasons and I wrote it down. You can keep on jumping on me, I don't care. Because all I see from your posts are the repeats of TS' posts. You just copy and paste and sometimes you keep on telling the things what TS wrote. If TS can prove his relation with the Jacksons I would love to apologize from TS. But till then he CAN still be a fake to me. PERIOD!
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@PinkTopaz
TS' numerology don't lie? Where did I say that it lies??? I wrote that I do agree with his theory 90%. About BoW and Midnight person, I never ever followed those, you can NOT find any post of mine related with those. I NEVER thought that Michael would have been coming back on the 25th and it's definitely NOT about any depression or anything like that you wrote. Souza asked my reasons and I wrote them. My thoughts about TS have been like this for a very very long time. It has nothing to do with the 25th. And thank you but it's my own decision what to read and criticize.
First off the title of this thread is SERENITY & TS.
I happen to be Serenity so I will write whatever I want in a thread written directly to me :D
I was asked a question and I answered it . If people have their doubts about who I am, that's there problem. I have been making videos and investigating this hoax since June 25th. I realize now, I probably should have pursued a career as a private investigator, a spy or something like that. Does that mean I am behind any of this? Hell no!
I have already stated that I am not TS. Just because I get the "message", doesn't mean I am the person writing the TS updates or doing the redirects. I also do not work for TMZ so there is no way that I am responsible for the acronyms in the darn TMZ articles.
The admins of this site, MJHD.net, Maura's forum, Tracy k's forum, Rae Benjamin's forum have all seen my ip address, which hasn't changed. It isn't a proxy server, the admins could probably use it to locate my home and it is not TS ip address either. How do I know it isn't TS' ip because I don't know who TS is!
The way I see it is this, I get it, I understand what the message is in these DOTS of the articles. Should I keep that to myself or should I post that? If I have information from deciphering the DOTS shouldn't I be sharing that? I mean, what exactly do you want? If I have any information isn't that what this damn forum is for?
As far as me saying whom I thought TS was and why, the OP asked me. So I answered! I can not help the way my mind works and frankly, I wouldn't want to change it. I think outside the box and you know what? Obviously, so does Michael! He has meticulously planned all of this out, and this is a man I can truly admire.
If he doesn't marry me, he better at least give me a job, cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free :lol:
Like I have said before, the only way TS could know that there were acronyms in the TMZ articles is: either they work for TMZ or they have inside information. I am not here to make anyone believe anything, freedom of choice. What you believe is your business but if you make a comment that counters my belief then I will answer that, usually with some facts to back up my answer too. This is after all a discussion forum.
If you don't want to believe in TS, you don't have to. It's as easy as skipping over the posts made in regards to the updates and anything else that has to do with TS. No one makes you read a single post or write a comment. That is your choice completely.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Serenity first of you're NOT the only one who got the message but you're the one who make those long posts everywhere and the one who tries to make people believe that TS is Michael. It seems like you spend all of your time here. And what exactly does it mean: "cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free". You work for Michael? Or was that a slip-up that looks like a joke?
Anyways, I never said anything bad about your posts here! On the contrary I wrote how smart you are etc. I see the point why you keep on bringing the issue to yourself but I want you to know that I'm NOT only giving you as an example! I many times wrote that there're very smart hoax vid makers, some blog makers! I gave you guys as an example how smart posts some people can make! I used the names Serenity, Mo and Souza because you're the ones who push people to make believe in TS. Accept it or not, that's what it seems. I know any of you guys and I can never ever have any problem with you guys but I'm being objective.
About the IP thing, is it so hard to tell someone what to write from another country? I'm not blaming you, don't jump on me again but IP proves nothing.
But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Hey hey heyyyyyyyy you need to stop there! It's your decision what to do with your info BUT do NOT underestimate ANYONE on this forum! NOBODY is focusing on the media BS here! We're finding the clues WITHOUT you, so no need to be arrogant! And NOT everything you find is a clue or really meant to be something that TMZ wants to tell. So don't be flattered that much.
Ok, this is it from me. You asked me the reasons and I wrote it down. You can keep on jumping on me, I don't care. Because all I see from your posts are the repeats of TS' posts. You just copy and paste and sometimes you keep on telling the things what TS wrote. If TS can prove his relation with the Jacksons I would love to apologize from TS. But till then he CAN still be a fake to me. PERIOD!
Well RS, I suppose I wasn't really speaking about you specifically, but about the numerology: I know you didn't say that, but I was trying to show you that there's no way any random schmuck, fan, admirer, beLIEver or non, whatever, could have thought of all that- that is Michael's handiwork! I wasn't trying to say that you shouldn't criticize TS, I was trying to say that you should know he's not a fake- and then I went off and stopped referring to you specifically and more to people who just say he's fake and try to stir up controversy about Mo and Souza "silencing their free speech" or whatever stupid thing, LOL!
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Serenity first of you're NOT the only one who got the message but you're the one who make those long posts everywhere and the one who tries to make people believe that TS is Michael.
I never said I was "the only one who got the message". I simply stated that I did get it. Yes, I am the one who has made SOME lengthy posts but they are not my only posts. They are in-depth, researched posts about the acronyms in TMZ's articles.
It seems like you spend all of your time here.
Where and how I spend MY time is your business because?
And what exactly does it mean: "cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free". You work for Michael? Or was that a slip-up that looks like a joke?
Actually what I said was: If he doesn't marry me, he better at least give me a job, cause I been working for him for 18 hours a day, every day, for the last year for free :lol:
By omitting the first part of my statement, you are trying to change the meaning behind that statement.
Since you already pointed out that I spend a lot of time on these forums, my statement is followed by a laughing smiley and I imply he should marry me or give me a job... I think it's obvious I was making making a joke about the time I have spent researching, investigating, making "way too long posts" and hoax videos.
There is no "slip-up"; there is nothing to slip-up on. I am not TS nor do I know for sure who they even are.
Anyways, I never said anything bad about your posts here! On the contrary I wrote how smart you are etc.
On the contrary, you said that I make "way too long posts" and make false accusations against me, implying that the intentions behind my posts are to fool people. Yet, you have no evidence of that all. I have never done anything to mislead anyone. I share my discoveries on this forum and through youtube. What would be my motive, what would I gain from trying to mislead?
Besides every single post or video I have created includes links to where I obtained the information. This is called documenting the sources and is part of any investigation. Where is your factual proof that I have ever done anything to mislead anyone in any way?
I see the point why you keep on bringing the issue to yourself but I want you to know that I'm NOT only giving you as an example!
I have not made myself the focus of anything. You have by creating this thread with the original title Serenitys_Dream & TS. You put the focus on me and forced me to defend myself and my posts on this forum.
I many times wrote that there're very smart hoax vid makers, some blog makers! I gave you guys as an example how smart posts some people can make! I used the names Serenity, Mo and Souza because you're the ones who push people to make believe in TS. Accept it or not, that's what it seems. I know any of you guys and I can never ever have any problem with you guys but I'm being objective.
This isn't objectivity, you hold a bias.Your opinion/perspective is that TS is a fake or is me. To be objective is to have no opinion and to look at the issue from both sides.
Objective - undistorted by emotion or personal bias
Bias - a term used to describe a tendency or preference towards a particular perspective when the tendency interferes with the ability to be impartial, unprejudiced, or objective.In other words, bias is generally seen as a 'one-sided' perspective.
About the IP thing, is it so hard to tell someone what to write from another country? I'm not blaming you, don't jump on me again but IP proves nothing.
So now I am not TS but I am communicating with them, is this what you are trying to say?
I guess I also work for TMZ too and am telling Harvey what to write in the TMZ articles so that there are all these related acronyms in each article.
I must just be a truly incredible person to be accomplishing all of this. I am writing TMZ articles, coming up with acronyms and numerology. Redirecting TIAI, Writing TS' posts, writing my own posts, creating hoax videos etc etc.
Can you tell me what my goal is for all of this? What do I hope to achieve?
You can not tell me you that you seriously believe this. I mean, what you are essentially implying is that I have created the Michael Jackson Death Hoax. I must know some pretty powerful people. This woman who lives in a small city in Canada, who works as a part time nanny, who wasn't a Michael Jackson fan just decided on June 25th to make Michael's death seem a hoax? How am I accomplishing this?
This is just totally absurd.
Hey hey heyyyyyyyy you need to stop there! It's your decision what to do with your info BUT do NOT underestimate ANYONE on this forum! NOBODY is focusing on the media BS here! We're finding the clues WITHOUT you, so no need to be arrogant!
I have never said anything about others abilities to investigate nor do I underestimate anyone. I am not arrogant or flattering myself. I am sharing what I have discovered on theses forums and through youtube to work in collaboration with others to discover the truth. In every single one of my videos, i try my best to credit whom and which forum posted a picture or a comment that led me to investigate further.
And NOT everything you find is a clue or really meant to be something that TMZ wants to tell. So don't be flattered that much.
How do you know whether these are clues or not? Are you an inside source? isn't up to me and other forum members to decide what is relevant to each of us and discuss that. i am not the only person on the forums or investigating this hoax that thinks TMZ is involved. So don't dismiss me and say I flatter myself by investigating the articles TMZ is posting.
Ok, this is it from me. You asked me the reasons and I wrote it down.
I never once asked you fro your reasons Pink topaz and Souza did. I don't actually care what you think of TS. You started this thread about me and tried to link me with TS, I did not.
You can keep on jumping on me, I don't care.
It is actually you who have attacked me. Every post you have made in this thread accuses me of being TS and behind TIAI without any evidence of that at all.
Because all I see from your posts are the repeats of TS' posts. You just copy and paste and sometimes you keep on telling the things what TS wrote.
When you asked me who I thought TS was, I answered and provided the information from TS' posts that has lead me to believe that it is possible TS is Michael. This is called answering a question and providing evidence as to why you have come to that conclusion.
If TS can prove his relation with the Jacksons I would love to apologize from TS. But till then he CAN still be a fake to me. PERIOD!
You need to direct that to TS not me.
As far as I am concerned you owe me a huge apology. You have made unfounded, unsubstantiated accusations. You have called me arrogant, self centred and said I flatter myself. You have called my character into question and imply I am a bad person, trying to hurt and fool people. You have made all these statements on a public forum, yet you offer no evidence nor an acceptable reason why you should judge me so harshly. I have done none of these things. I have researched, investigated and shared that information for discussion with others, with the goal of uncovering the truth.
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First of, you guys need to calm down and stop defending TS all the time. You should allow people to tell their opinion about TS. As much as you PUSH harder on us to believe TS is legit, as much as people start to believe that TS is you, Mo or Serenity. They don't say anything here because you ban them or all of you jump on them.
I'm TS? Well Thank You for the compliment, I'm honored! I wish my mathematical skills were close to TS', I even have to open up the calculator (for which I have a hot key on my laptop) to figure out a number for a specific date or time :lol:
I only laugh when I see comments like "They don't say anything here because you ban them". It's common knowledge on these boards that people don't get banned for expressing an opinion. People get banned for being rude and disrespectful, but that's not something the banned ones want to admit. Believe whatever you want to believe, it's not my loss...
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out of interest has anyone checked ts ip address...?
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Strangely was watching one of the programs on VH1 and they spoke to Usher and he used the word STUDY three or four times in two sentences. Made me think of TS.
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out of interest has anyone checked ts ip address...?
No, for the simple reason that I don't have the urge to know who TS is, I believe that TS will reveal himself when the time is right. Besides that I am sure TS will post using a proxy server.
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Shouldn't a discussion on who TS is and whether a real insider or a clever hoax investigator be kept objective and positive?
Questioning is good but when a question to an answer is given by a verified source, is there any value in continuing the challenge?
It is true, that I have been wondering about TS identity and some of the more visible Hoax investigators made their way on my short list (TS being a "Team of Soldiers" even crossed my mind - :D ) but once somebody denied being TS or knowing TS, do you carry on challenging?
My simple perspective is No unless hard evidence remain unexplained. ;) and I am sending my support to Serenity_dreams ... continue in crossing the DOTS, you are doing a great job.
With L.O.V.E
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Sorry but are you TS?
No, I am not
Maybe you're not but your posts are way too long just like TS' posts.
Just because I have written some lengthy posts, does not mean I am TS. It is only your opinion that they are "way too long", I just try to be through in my research. My writing style is completely different and I have 884 posts on this forum, not all of them are "way too long". If you find my posts "way too long" then don't read them! They are long because they are researched and they contain links to the sources etc.
I've been following you for sometime and I've started to think that you're the one behind TIAI. It's maybe because TS and your posts look very similar (they're all very brilliant and smart).
No, I am not behind TIAI. My posts do not look anything like TS'. My recent posts were long because I wanted to be thorough in my investigation of the meanings of the acronyms and was providing information all in one place.
Funny how you accuse me of wrong doing and try to cover that accusation followed by a compliment. You can't have it both ways, either I am a bad person trying to fool people or I am good person who writes "brilliant and smart" posts. Your flattery does not excuse accusing me unjustly of wrong doing.
If you're not TS, pls keep on writing your posts because they're amazing and take my words as a praise but if you're TS and telling us that you're connected to the Jackson family and you're not, pls stop doing what you're doing. Because many people belive in TS and we think Michael is coming back this summer or anytime sooner because it will be too late to fight for the message if he comes later. And if he doesn't come back, our hearts will be broken and we all will be toooooo upset because TS made us believe that there's a message of Michael and he will come back sooner or later.
Again, how dare you insinuate that I am trying to fool anyone. What proof do you have? That a wrote 10, 20, 30 lengthy posts out of the 884 posts, I have made on this forum. Why do you point a finger at me anyway? Are you trying to discredit me, silence me?
I have looked at all 46 of your posts. Yes, that's right 46 posts in total.
This is the second thread you have created criticizing TS.
TIAI READS THE FORUM? Criticizing TIAI!
Post by RestlessSoul » Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:34 pm
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6951
Of all 46 posts you have made:
7 of them are in this thread.
7 of them are in other threads regarding TIAI
3 of them are in the other thread you created criticizing TS
You have only made 19 posts on the forum in any other topics, 17 of your 46 posts involve TS or TIAI.
Almost half of your posts critize TS and half of those are criticizing me and/or TS...
Your posts and the following youtube comment, remind me of this nasty person on youtube. They were leaving rude, cruel comments on my channel about my hoax videos. I had to block them. If it isn't you, well sorry but the way that you write really seems similar. I have read all of your posts on this forum because I was interested what your contribution has been, since you seem to think you have the right to make unfounded accusations about other members.
tweeeetbirdytweeeet (2 months ago) (Pending approval)
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Ooooh, I've just seen the latest masterpiece. You know, it's pretty nice that you put your love energy in the creative direction, making such a movies instead of hanging out in the chats/blogs. But... I guess you're seriously sick. Take yourself with an irony. Your so-called "love" gives you the piteous look. Don't do that. Don't show to the whole world your mental disorder - it would be better to hide. And yep, of course, he's giving the signs from his hiding ;) If that tendency doesn't confuse you and you're going to insist--so, sorry, but you're really mentally unhealthy. The truth is: you try to see that you wanna see. Don't do that.
http://www.youtube.com/user/tweeeetbirdytweeeet
And my response before blocking them.
tweeeetbirdytweeeet
Re: Your comment
Hate is such an awful burden to carry in your heart. It blackens your soul and twists you all up inside. You can usually recognize an individual that is weighed down heavily by being filled with such bitterness. Frequently, it shows in their face and in the hurtful way they attack others that they may feel inferior to or threatened by. Often, those who are angry, envious and/or jealous try to victimize others through judgmental and cruel behaviour and comments. I sense that you haven't looked within or used that metaphorical mirror lately. Perhaps before you attempt to offer your brand of "caring" through ridiculing, belittling and name calling stop and ask yourself why you have such a compulsion to do so in the first place. Such nastiness really does affect you more than the one you are trying to inflict damage to and eventually everything you do does comes back to you. Choose your course wisely. Love really is the answer but I guess not all of us have received this message yet. Good luck and God bless you.
I will pray for you.
with L.O.V.E. & Light
Serenity
Your posts and the youtube comment also remind me of the stalker woman from Romanian named Dana Ada, screen name Tabloid Junkie. She is involved in fooling fans with fake Michael Jackson accounts in chat rooms, on myspace, on twitter and has harassed me. Which by the way, I have documented in my blog. ;)
http://www.myspace.com/acidutzax
https://twitter.com/LetTheButterFly
https://twitter.com/fuckthepresss
Now this may not be you but there is always the possibility it is and I think you may just be "Dana" or one of her friends. The intention behind "Dana's" game was to mislead, discredit, and confuse. So if you are that person or one of her pals, I ask you stop because what they do is very cruel. If you are not, I will apologize but prove it!
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
Breath in...breath out...have a good night sleep...and reread the messages tomorrow.
I think the news and events of today have been bombarding us all, and taking a little bit of rest wouldn't harm at this moment. We're all here for the same reason, and there's absolutely no need for attacking each other.
EVERYONE is entitled to post his/her findings, and if you don't like some of the post you can chose to skip them.
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Hey Serenity, just a quick post to say how much I LOVE you and appreciate all your effort and research here for the benefit of our common goal of unravelling this mystery. Much LOVE to you my sister.
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
Don't jump on me. I never said "We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you?"
I was pretty upset and angry when I wrote my posts yesterday and go ahead find them without me then. I have had enough of this abuse and that is exactly what it is a thread dedicated to bashing me; taking my words out of context.
Everyone here has the right to their opinions but you don't have the right to bash individuals. As it seems that I my posts are "way too long" and not worth reading, maybe I should keep the information to myself and no longer post.
Oh and by the way...
I do know some things that I haven't shared and why?
Just as TS said "because if I told you how I know them you wouldn't believe me anyway."
Here's a clue, it's the very first video I made in regards to Michael Jackson and I posted this video in a thread months after I originally created the video.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7567&hilit=+psychic
[youtube:1d2qh6k2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAnla_x4vc[/youtube:1d2qh6k2]
L.O.V.E. & Light
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Hey Serenity, just a quick post to say how much I LOVE you and appreciate all your effort and research here for the benefit of our common goal of unravelling this mystery. Much LOVE to you my sister.
I haven't had more than 2-3 hours of sleep a night in the last year, seems I have developed chronic insominia. I have been harassed, bullied, and called all kinds of names, including "wacko", all for telling the truth, investigating, researching and sharing that information. I wasn't a fan but something happened on June 25th that changed my life forever. I am not looking for answers, mine have already been answered. I was on forums to try to help bring the truth to light, seems I am failing.
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To Serenitys Dream,
Do NOT worry yourself over the naysayers and haters, they exist for a reason. ;)
I am a believer... in ALL things positive, but I also have a "reality" of "knowing" negative as well. The trials and tribulations we face are merely "tests" for us to overcome and make us stronger.
When people are given certain gifts and great abilities, they most certainly will be challenged. The "tests" are given simply (in my opinion) to see if we are worthy to keep the abilities bestowed upon us. With great power and abilities comes great responsibility.
Do NOT become discouraged at the negativity towards you Serenity... just know you have a friend in me who believes in your WORK and contributions to this forum.
I also face the same challenges...Many would NOT believe me if I said what I have "known" or felt. So in saying that, I too have also kept much to myself. This was about learning and some things can not be just "told" to the people, some things they must find on their own or it would not mean as much to them. Everyone also has "free will" to choose at the end of the day what to believe in. Truth or deception, it is all needed to weed out the strong from the weak. Personal perception and interpretation is ones "own" truth and reality.
God Bless you Serenity. You are a gift to the world, remember that always.
Peace
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This is my original post taken from your starting thread on "Is Michael psychic"...
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7567&hilit=+psychic (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7567&hilit=+psychic)
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BUTTERFLY EFFECT^^^^^^^
I absolutely agree with this video. I am a firm believer in the fact that we are ALL spiritually connected, through energy and a higher power.
Whatever philosophy you choose to believe in, it ALL resembles the same starting and ending point.
I will not go into great detail of what I feel because it is too complicated to explain. I am not the subject of this hoax. I do however posess highly intuitive abilities when I choose to be OPEN and not close my mind and heart/soul off from it.
I have been tormented ALOT recently in my own SOUL from the pain of MJ and the world's pain.
[youtube:3bh5336f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO830ynPzA0[/youtube:3bh5336f]
MOTHMAN PROPHECIES^^^^^^^
[youtube:3bh5336f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fglzCnPlec[/youtube:3bh5336f]
DRAGONFLY^^^^^^^
Here are 3 good movies to watch, these will explain the phenomenon of energy, L.O.V.E.= Law Of Vibrational Energy, spiritual connections, and how one thing can and will start a reaction globally.
Good job to the maker of this video, KUDOS!
Peace
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Please calm down, I Always liked Michael, and like Others I Do Not Know What Happened to me on 25 June 2009, Not my how to Explain Behavior, I Have Losses HAD great in my life, my mother's biggest .. Earlier as I said Do Not know how to Explain this.
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
Don't jump on me. I never said "We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you?" and I was pretty pissed off when I wrote that yesterday and go ahead find them without me then. I have had enough of this abuse and that is exactly what it is a thread dedicated to bashing me, taking my words out of context.
Everyone here has the right to their opinions but you don't have the right to bash individuals. As it seems that I am not really a member of theses forums, I will keep my information to myself and no longer post.
Oh and by the way...
I do know some things that I haven't shared and why?
Just as TS said "because if I told you how I know them you wouldn't believe me anyway."
Here's a clue, it's the very first video I made in regards to Michael Jackson and I posted this video in a thread months after I originally created the video.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7567&hilit=+psychic
[youtube:kkjq9i5h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRAnla_x4vc[/youtube:kkjq9i5h]
L.O.V.E. & Light
Serenity, I just wanted to know if everybody can have these capacities ? I mean are they inherent to our human nature but hidden for some reason ? You seem to know a lot on this subject and I'm interested.
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Subject: Criticism about TS (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=193186#p193186)
Serenity, I just wanted to know if everybody can have these capacities ? I mean are they inherent to our human nature but hidden for some reason ? You seem to know a lot on this subject and I'm interested.
Yes, we all have them. In some people they are just more naturally developed. Similar to some one who has skills at math, science, music, dancing etc.
In some people they are dormant in others they are not maximized but they can be developed through Mediation, chakra exercises and nutrition.
Nutrition because things such as fluoride bind to the Pineal Gland in the brain, which is connected to the "third eye" and cause it to not function. Other things such as mercury, which is supposedly used as a preservative in vaccines. Mercury is a heavy metal which also builds up in the body. Mercury is poison as is fluoride. Genetically modified food are also very unhealthy and disturb the bodies balance and functioning.
Pineal Gland - is the sixth chakra whose awakening is linked to prophecy and and increased psychic awareness as consciousness ascends. The pineal gland, or third eye, is located in the geometric center of the brain. This correlates to the location of the Great Pyramid in the center of the physical planet. This pineal gland is activated by Light, and it controls the various bio-rhythms of the body. It works in harmony with the hypothalamus gland which directs the body's thirst, hunger, sexual desire and the biological clock that determines our aging process. When it awakens, one feels a pressure at the base of the brain.
While the physiological function of the pineal gland has been unknown until recent times, mystical traditions and esoteric schools have long known this area in the middle of the brain to be the connecting link between the physical and spiritual worlds. Considered the most powerful and highest source of ethereal energy available to humans, the pineal gland has always been important in initiating supernatural powers. Development of psychic talents has been closely associated with this organ of higher vision.
To activate the 'third eye' is to raise one's frequency and moving into higher consciousness - all is a consciousness experience perceived through the Eye of Time or Third Eye. Meditation, Visualization Yoga, and all forms of Out of Body travel, open the Third Eye and allow you to 'see' beyond the physical. As you practice, you will get it faster and more frequently. Your psychic abilities will increase as well as your dream time messages. You may first begin with your eyes closed, but as you practice, you will be able to open your third eye by focusing your attention and receiving messages with your physical eyes open. Planetary vibration/frequency is accelerating exponentially, allowing souls to peer into other realms far more easily than in the past. Frequency will continue to rise until consciousness evolves out of the physical in the next few years.
http://www.crystalinks.com/thirdeyepineal.html
20 Meditation Tips For Beginners
http://www.intent.com/blog/2009/03/24/20-meditation-tips-beginners
Activate and Stimulate Your Chakras
http://healing.about.com/cs/chakras/a/aa_chakracises.htm
how to activate the chakras open the third eye and awaken kundalini energy healing
http://www.scribd.com/doc/13826191/how-to-activate-the-chakras-open-the-third-eye-and-awaken-kundalini-energy-healing
HEALTH EFFECTS: Fluoride & the Pineal Gland
Up until the 1990s, no research had ever been conducted to determine the impact of fluoride on the pineal gland - a small gland located between the two hemispheres of the brain that regulates the production of the hormone melatonin. Melatonin is a hormone that helps regulate the onset of puberty and helps protect the body from cell damage caused by free radicals.
It is now known - thanks to the meticulous research of Dr. Jennifer Luke from the University of Surrey in England - that the pineal gland is the primary target of fluoride accumulation within the body.
The soft tissue of the adult pineal gland contains more fluoride than any other soft tissue in the body - a level of fluoride (~300 ppm) capable of inhibiting enzymes.
The pineal gland also contains hard tissue (hyroxyapatite crystals), and this hard tissue accumulates more fluoride (up to 21,000 ppm) than any other hard tissue in the body (e.g. teeth and bone).
After finding that the pineal gland is a major target for fluoride accumulation in humans, Dr. Luke conducted animal experiments to determine if the accumulated fluoride could impact the functioning of the gland - particulalry the gland's regulation of melatonin.
Luke found that animals treated with fluoride had lower levels of circulating melatonin, as reflected by reduced levels of melatonin metabolites in the animals' urine. This reduced level of circulating melatonin was accompanied - as might be expected - by an earlier onset of puberty in the fluoride-treated female animals.
Luke summarized her human and animal findings as follows:
"In conclusion, the human pineal gland contains the highest concentration of fluoride in the body. Fluoride is associated with depressed pineal melatonin synthesis by prepubertal gerbils and an accelerated onset of sexual maturation in the female gerbil. The results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. Whether or not fluoride interferes with pineal function in humans requires further investigation."
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/pineal/
Most SSRI Antidepressants Contain Fluoride
SSRI antidepressants, except in a few instances, are fluorinated molecules.These include citalopram, escitalopram oxalate, fluoxetine, fluvoxamine maleate, and paroxetine. A notable exception is sertraline. Because of the difficulty of biological systems in dealing with metabolism of fluorinated molecules, fluorinated antibiotics and antidepressants are among the major fluorinated organics found in treated city sewage and wastewater.
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2007/11/04/most-ssri-antidepressants-contain-fluoride/
Other drugs and things that also contain fluoride - Not necessarily a complete list
Antipsychotics such as fluphenazine, HIV protease inhibitors such as tipranavir, antibiotics such as ofloxacin and trovafloxacin, and anesthetics such as halothane. Fluorine has applications in imaging techniques like PET scan, radio-active isotope studies, in teflon used in cardiac bypass grafts, surgical implants and even in the teflon coating over our non-stick pans!
Fluoro polymers like teflon are chemically inert and biocompatible. So less chances of the body rejecting such material after it is introduced in the body.
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Listen to the interviewers laugh as the Scientist, Dr. Hilleman, discusses the the terrible things he knew were in the vaccines he was developing; unbelievable. :cry:
[youtube:2i2kgwku]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCus0zB_ilE[/youtube:2i2kgwku]
If you also recall Mo & Souza's blog on the Flouride & items found in the room with Michael at the "death scene", Fluoride was very much present; in toothpaste, bottled water etc. Perhaps the message wasn't that Michael was being poisoned with this stuff but that WE ALL ARE.
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Thank you Serenity for your answer I really appreciate. I am myself still searching about how to develop my capacities because I always had the feeling that each human being has something special to bring for humanity.
The interview of Dr. Hilleman put me ill at ease because of the laughters. What he's talking about and the truths he reveals are very incredible. I knew that vaccines were not what they seem but to hear it from someone who worked for the drug industry is something else. The governments are really our worst enemies because they act in the darkness with our blind consent. They really want to separate us from spirituality and prevent us from reaching higher consciousness.
God bless you.
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Serenitys_Dream, unique gifted people who have ideas different from the masses usually have to walk alone a fair bit, and take a fair bit of ridicule and abuse. It's been that way for those people throughout history. But their contributions to our world are enormous. I'm not saying you are the best thinker on this site, but you are one of the main information gurus. I'm not saying I'm in total agreement with you on everything, but I simply love your exploring mind. :) I feel it would be a huge loss to this site if you retreated. However maybe you do need a rest, to rejuvenate and gain fresh insight. I just now saw your first video on, Is Michael Psychic? I absolutely agree, and think it's a very plausible explanation for the songs having so many clues for this hoax. I had posted elsewhere that I believe it was a God-thing all along, God orchestrating the hoax, along with Michael a willing participant, yeilding to Him and being obedient (as Mary wife of Joseph did). Though I've been raised /immersed in Evangelical Christian teaching I am no longer restricted to any box for thinking. I don't believe Michael was either, though many would like him to hold to only orthodox doctrine. God can not be put in a box. He fills the universe. We don't KNOW all of our reality and other dimensions, where we came from or where we are going. The Bible is only a guide, a main one, but it is also in levels of understanding. I honestly feel certain themes about Michael Jackson's hoax remain almost entirely unexplored because our preconceived thinking gets in the way. Hence, "Do you think for yourself"? I get so excited when anybody radically explores-- the sky's the limit! 8-) We need explorers like you! I dread the day people slowly give up and start leaving this site in droves, because no one is bringing anything new to the table, the threads become stale, repetitious, and generic. Michael was the opposite of that! :mrgreen:
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
Don't jump on me. I never said "We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you?"
I was pretty upset and angry when I wrote my posts yesterday and go ahead find them without me then. I have had enough of this abuse and that is exactly what it is a thread dedicated to bashing me; taking my words out of context.
Everyone here has the right to their opinions but you don't have the right to bash individuals. As it seems that I my posts are "way too long" and not worth reading, maybe I should keep the information to myself and no longer post.
I'm sorry but am I the one who is BASHING individuals here? You're the one who wrote that we couldn't find any clue without you and we could only focus to trash media! If this is NOT bashing, I don't know what it is. Anyone who read that post would understand what I understand. So there's noone here taking your words out of context. And I didn't jump on you, you started the discussion with the things you wrote to all believers. As I've written before I've always praised and appreciated you but the thing you wrote there disturbed me. I didn't say anything to your long posts, I never complained about them so I don't know where you got that idea. You might be tired etc when you wrote that but you could edit your post and fix it. Or you could apologize from us and it could be all fine. I'm not going to argue with you about it no more but to help people and then say "without my help, you would do nothing" is NOT a good attitude. I personally don't care anymore if you want to keep on posting or not. Not after you made this post about believers. I'm not going to beg you like others do.
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But since there is so much controversy over all this, I will keep my info to myself. You all can continue to read and discuss the tabloid shit in all the articles, including the ones from TMZ. You can all focus on garbage just like Michael wants... Oh wait that isn't what he said was it. I think he actually said something like skip the trash and find the substance, read between the lines but obviously many people never received that memo...
Wait a minute, did I get it wrong? Are you saying that we're "focusing" on garbage but you save us and show the important parts to us? We can NOT find any of them WITHOUT you? WoW, how modest you are Serenity! I've always praised you and your posts BUT this doesn't mean that you're the ONLY one who finds great things! We're all making our investigation here and we have our own minds to what to focus on! Actually I don't believe that TMZ is giving a clue with the letters "all the time". Yes, of course there're things but we can find them without you too! I didn't like the way you underestimate the believers. Afterall, I hope you keep your info to yourself.
Breath in...breath out...have a good night sleep...and reread the messages tomorrow.
I think the news and events of today have been bombarding us all, and taking a little bit of rest wouldn't harm at this moment. We're all here for the same reason, and there's absolutely no need for attacking each other.
EVERYONE is entitled to post his/her findings, and if you don't like some of the post you can chose to skip them.
I'm sorry Mo but can you skip it when people humiliating you? She wrote that we can only focus to media trash and thanx to her we see some information. This's an insult to us,to all believers. She could be the only person who was finding clues on the forum (although she's not) BUT the thing she wrote seemed right to you? Are we going to discuss about who finds more information, who finds less? Is this a competition? And finding more clues makes you a leader on the forum? The thing she did is like helping someone but saying "You would do nothing if I wasn't here". This attitude disturbed me a lot! And I wrote what I think about it. I'm not going to discuss anything about it no more. But Serenity disappointed me. From a smart person like her, I would expect an apology or just edit her post.
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Well, since this thread is going off topic and I'm done with all the fighting: a lock.