Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => Updates & Posts by TS => Topic started by: TS on June 16, 2010, 10:16:16 PM
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After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
PLEASE NOTE: for those who are too busy to read this entire article, at the very least read the first 2 sections (6-1 & 6-2). The 16 sections are all the redirections for http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) from June 1 to 16 (with additional details related to each redirect). If you are new to TIAI and the redirections, a few of the sections below might not make much sense; but don’t worry too much about that—if you have time later, you can read about TIAI in these TS posts {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}.
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6-1 DNA and Other Scientific Evidence that Elvis Lives!
{http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}
Less than a month ago (on May 20, 2010), probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras published the statements quoted in the next paragraph below, about the DNA evidence {for the full report, click the link above}. For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.
“These [DNA] reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as ‘Jesse’ are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive. Here’s a Memphis newspaper article about it {http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/]}. … if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true — unless, of course, it IS true. … I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam. As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.”
In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8}. Section 6-4 (below) has this same picture, although it includes his whole body; and you can see Benjamin, the son of Lisa Marie Presley, sitting on Jesse’s lap.
Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’ She felt the handwriting was ‘UNMISTAKABLE’. The attorney general’s office cleared Dr. Hinton of all charges.” {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page3; http://www.estate-and-probate.com/michigan-probate-law/michigan-probate-law/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-ii-the-background/; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}.
Dr. Hinton, just mentioned above, worked with Jesse for years. He also wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words” {http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561676764/sr=1-1/qid=1257006537/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1257006537&sr=1-1&seller=#noop}. As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}. Furthermore, FOX news said Dr. Hinton passed a lie detector test {at 1:11, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4}.
The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death. Actually, there is a great deal more evidence than this that Elvis faked his death {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1342#p18198; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwW6IeI2Q; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8}
However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication.
If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.
Another interesting point is that Priscilla Presley knows the truth about Elvis, and did a movie in 1998 about Elvis being alive {http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/; http://www.crackle.com/c/Finding_Graceland/Finding_Graceland/2481435; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4GNW2j9Gs}. It is quite interesting that 1998 is a very significant number in relation to Michael Jackson, and his fake death (see 6-8, below).
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6-2 Double-bam: ElvisAndMJ.com
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10384#p174363}
Here are some videos, with some very amazing Elvis and MJ parallels—both before and after the “deaths” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp8DJyN68E; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnCi5uz9SY; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMmPhaAtclg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Bizr6osc}.
In Summary:
King of Rock / King of Pop
Graceland / Neverland
Lisa Marie Presley daughter / wife (no doubt MJ learned some hoax tips)
“Death” was claimed drug related, and heart related
“Died” at home
Taken to hospital in ambulance (even though already “dead”)
CPR on the way to hospital
Declared “dead” at hospital
Phony autopsy {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=40}
Investigation into doctor
Different middle name (Aron vs. Aaron / Joe vs. Joseph)
This Is Elvis / This Is It (films about Elvis & MJ, released after the “deaths”)
“Death” dates equals their own concert intro, related to space (see 6-9, below)
Other numerology (see 6-8, below)
And the list goes on {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10}.
Lisa Marie Presley reported that Michael told her: “I am afraid that I am going to end up like him [Elvis], the way he did.” {http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326}. How did Elvis end up? With a fake death; so MJ must have known about it, and expected to do the same.
Yes, the “deaths” of Elvis and MJ are so similar—that if one faked his death, then so did the other. And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death! In fact, in the category of clues: we have far more clues from MJ than from Elvis.
There are a few big differences. One is the open casket for Elvis, versus closed casket for MJ. Everyone said that it did not look like Elvis in the casket (some said it looked like a wax dummy); so MJ learned from that, and had a closed casket. Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763}. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public).
Whichever bam comes first (MJ or Elvis): everyone will then realize that the other one was most likely a fake death as well. In fact, we really don’t even need to wait until either bam to claim the victory; the evidence is so strong right now, that nobody can get away with ridiculing either Elvis or MJ hoax fans anymore!
In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
For all those who have ridiculed MJ hoax fans, by saying that we are just like Elvis hoax fans: now we can heartily agree—and say yes, and in fact we now have the strongest proof that Elvis hoax fans were right all along!
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6-3 TMZ Series on Lisa Marie Presley
{http://www.tmz.com/person/lisa-marie-presley/}
Of course Lisa Marie is one of the major links between Elvis and MJ. The sunflowers have already been discussed in great length; but this redirect was more to point out the timing of these six TMZ articles about LMP. Notice that the very first mention of Elvis from TIAI was on 5-10 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9632}; the redirect for 5-11 was merely announcing Update #5 coming soon. Then on 5-12, at 5:12 AM (Pacific Time), TIAI Update (#5) was posted; later that same day, TMZ started the LMP series.
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6-4 Picture of Jesse with Benjamin
{http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/eliza_jesse_benjamin.jpg}
This redirect was a picture of Jesse, with grandson Benjamin sitting on his lap. To see the picture: click the link above, or one of these links {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page10; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10500}. That last link is a thread with some real good discussions, as well as other Elvis pictures for comparison.
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6-5 “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse”
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010--jumpless-pointer)}
This webpage did not have an anchor at the right part of the page for a normal jump, so a “jumpless-pointer” was included in the URL. Of course there are many things on the page of interest; but the most significant was that Linda had talked with Jesse one day prior to May 13, 2010—which means that Elvis is still alive now. And we know that Linda is not a fake, because Eliza has a link to her page (see 6-7, below); and also because Linda was involved with Dr. Hinton, the one who was cleared of fraud charges {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1}.
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6-6 TIAI Update on 5-12, and the First Syllable of EL-VIS
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889}
As mentioned already, TMZ started their LMP series on 5-12 (see 6-3, above). On May 13, Linda said “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse yesterday” (see 6-5, above); this means that it would’ve been on 5-12, which again was the day of Update 5 being posted (and Update 5 had 12 sections). Notice also that the first syllable of EL-VIS is EL; E = 5 (fifth letter), and L = 12 (twelfth letter): 5-12 once again! Also, 5 + 1 + 2 = 8, which is the primary number in Elvis numerology (see 6-8, below).
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6-7 Eliza Presley’s Website, With Link to Linda’s Website
{http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6}
This redirect was both for the purpose of showing Eliza’s website, and also for showing that Eliza links to Linda’s website (mentioned in 6-5, above). And notice the timing of the following entries, in relation to the TIAI Elvis redirect on 5-10-2010; as well as the TIAI Update #5a to #5d on 5-12 to 5-19 {http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php; http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12}.
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6-8 Elvis & MJ Numerology
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33}
This redirect was on the 8th day of the month, because 8 is the primary number in the Elvis “death” numerology. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999 (see below). Elvis was also born on the 8th day of the month (1-8-1935). And Elvis/Jesse has confirmed that this numerology and exact “death” date was planned, and done intentionally {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15}.
Since MJ learned from Elvis: this proves that the MJ numerology was also planned, and is not some astronomical coincidence. Since it was planned, then this shows once again that the numerology does indeed explain some of the reasons for the MJ death hoax. Below is a brief overview of some of the MJ numerology. {For more details, see: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” {also on the History album cover, etc; http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg}.
MJ had 1998 on the cover of the Dangerous album, and also signed this number on many autographs. 1998 / 2 = 999; 1 + 998 = 999, 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; etc. Also, “THIS IS IT” has three vowels, III = 999 (9th letter of the alphabet).
The “death” was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: you must use inclusive reckoning; see 4-10 in Update #4b, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064}. The burial was on a full moon (to the naked eye), and one day before the official full moon.
The memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will; again, three sevens (777). The memorial was also on a full moon (the official full moon, in this case).
And there are three sevens (777) in the timing of the 911 call (12:21) and the “death” (2:26). Also, the 911 call was placed at 12:21, because this number is divisible by 111—along with almost all of the MJ hoax numbers; in fact, “THIS IS IT” is 111 minutes long. Finally, the 12:21 call relates to the date 12-21-2012.
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6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/}
Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss)}.
Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}
This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.
If there are still some who say that they don’t believe in the numbers: don’t let them off the hook that easily; be nice, but be firm! Ask why they don’t believe in the numbers; and ask them to calculate the odds that these numbers were all coincidence. If they are not mathematical, then find a math teacher! If they really want to know the truth, and they are truly investigating, then this is the way to find out the truth. But if they don’t want to bother with any of this, then it would show that the real problem is not in the numbers; the real problem is that they don’t want the truth.
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6-10 Are TIAI Posts Too Long?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10461&start=25#p175723}
MJFAN7 wrote: “... I wasn’t looking forward to reading the long posts about TIAI Revealed until I started reading them. Then I couldn’t stop!” This is good advice, especially for those who have spent a year now investigating and researching the hoax—and yet have not spent a few days reading posts which make very clear the when, why, and even the some of the how.
On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts. This has been brought up repeatedly, and I have repeatedly asked: does it matter? What’s important is the accuracy of the information presented (see 6-12, below). If it’s full of holes, then step up and state your case; and if not, then accept it.
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
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6-11 Some Elvis Fans Have “Kept the Faith” for More than 30 Years!
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10757&start=50#p179522}
Quoting from that redirect: “It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the doubts creep in as soon as something ‘new’ happens. ... When the doubts do creep in, read over the hoax summary threads and especially TS’s posts. But most importantly, keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive.”
It reminds me of this passage, from James: “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:6-8).
Many Elvis fans have kept the faith for more than 30 years—with less clues than we have about MJ; it puts some of us MJ hoax fans to shame! With all the evidence we have now, especially with Elvis being alive: there is no need to waver anymore over whether MJ is alive—he has already gone back and forth from alive to dead, and back to alive again, hundreds of times! Has anybody else ever died that many times??? :lol: :lol:
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6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael {http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
And for those who still aren’t sure if TS has inside information: one more time, here is the TIAI list of predictions, etc—with the latest Elvis ones added. Please note that these are merely reminders; if you are new, some of these might not make sense without reading all of the TS posts first.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
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6-13 TIAI Update #5 (by MJalive999)
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUs6Rd7dfeY}
This video is a good overview of Update #5 {see also the second half, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwQ-gvvA2g}. This was a good review, for some who were having doubts creep in (see 6-11, above). A similar video set was also done by MJDHI {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYTGMfo4TqQ&feature=PlayList&p=0C50B61CDC1A1F66&playnext_from=PL&index=0}.
Both of these video sets include a list of questions, from Update #5d. So far, I haven’t seen anyone even attempt to answer more than two or three of the questions; and the attempted answers have been rather shallow.
For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”
Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it ...”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!
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6-14 Dots Of TMZ Show
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&start=50#p163354}
In Update #5, the first letter in each section title spelled out “Dots Of TMZ Show”. Also, the title itself had dots in it: DO you Think 4 your Self? Furthermore, as lilwendy figured out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10929#p181681}, there were also “dots within the dots” (Dots Of TMZ Show). I’m not sure if anyone noticed that the last half of “DOTS” is “TS”.
TMZ officially stands for “Thirty Mile Zone” {http://www.tmz.com/about/}. However, many hoaxers refer to it as “The Michael Zone”; and yes, as whisper figured out, the first word of each section title in Update #5c spelled out “The Michael Zone” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763&start=50#p166198}.
“Dots Of TMZ Show” was the redirect for the Murray court day; and yes, TMZ did have a show on that day. However, this redirect referred to more than just the one day; it also refers to connecting the dots both before and after June 14.
When connecting dots, you can look for the first letter in each line—such as Serenitys_Dream and others have done. However, be sure to look for more than just the first letter in each line. Sometimes the message is in the pictures, or article titles, etc. In fact, sometimes the dots are in articles which are not even MJ related—such as the “Still Alive” heading, on the 6-14 Murray court day {http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/14/england-goalie-robert-green-world-cup-photo-soccer/}.
As stated in Update #5c, however, TMZ dots are not the basis for believing in the hoax; so don’t use these as “proof” for non-believers. The TMZ show dots are hints and clues for those who already know that MJ is “still alive”.
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6-15 Running Out of Ideas?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8077&p=132300&hilit=running%20out%20of%20ideas#p132300}
This actually goes back to a thread from April 2; several on that thread thought that TS was “running out of ideas”. What do you think—looking back over the redirects and updates from April, May, and June—were they right?
Even now, I am not running out of ideas; actually, everything covered so far has just been an introductory course. :o But most people think that what I’ve written already is far too much; so how is even more going to help them?
Yes, this redirect also had the “BAM” in the signature. Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
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6-16 (Waiting for) Update #6
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}
Just like all the other TIAI updates, there is an important date associated with the final section in this update: 6-16. June 16, 2010 is two months until the 33rd anniversary of the Elvis fake death, and 9 days until the 1st anniversary of the MJ fake death.
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
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THANK YOU TS!!!!!!!!
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Thank you TS I was beginning to think I was the only one with DOTS before my eyes ;) :lol:
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The end is near.... :D
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TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
TI M E DO T S
Time Dots
This Is Me DOTS
This is Michael & Elvis DOTS
Anyone have any other ideas?
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Bravo TS...but TIME DOTS??
Also love the TMZ stories from this morning. Little people star, "i'm alive"...Randy, "home and doing fine'.
:D :D :D :D :D
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TIME DOTS! :mrgreen:
X paragraph put a smile on my face :roll:
Thanks TS!
I'm falling asleep but I couldn't go to bed without trying to read!
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TIME DOTS as in...Look at the dates mentioned in this post? Perhaps each redirect date mentioned here? Timing? Something to do with time or moments. Oh I dunno. I gave it a shot. Thanks, TS!
EDIT: TS= This Summer? :?
Just a thought.
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TIMEDOTS
This is Michael & Elvis, Due Out This Summer
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TIMEDOTS
This is Michael & Elvis, Due Out This Summer
OOOHHHH YEAH!!!! Like that! Hopefully it's Northern Hemisphere Summer and not my summer here.... :? don't want to wait another 6 months :lol:
of course i'm joking, for me, as long as he is safe, happy and gets to see his kids often i'm happy to wait another 30 years! :oops:
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Thank you SO much for this information! I am shining my armor and sharpening my sword for the battle ahead. This enlisted soldier of L.O.V.E. will be ready! I may not be the sharpest crayon in this box of believers when figuring out these clues but I am faithful. I guess that counts for something :)
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TIME DOTS as in...Look at the dates mentioned in this post? Perhaps each redirect date mentioned here? Timing? Something to do with time or moments. Oh I dunno. I gave it a shot. Thanks, TS!
EDIT: TS= This Summer? :?
Just a thought.
I'm thinking the same way, the timing of every post and some of tmz articles were/are important for the hoax before the dots....
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first, i want to say:
thank you for everything you've done and for sticking with us. please thank michael and all the others involved for me as well.
after everything you, michael and all the others who are helping him have done, i'm amazed. as we head towards the "one year," i feel like my unwavering curiosity about michael that led me to hoax videos on youtube and ultimately here, has opened my eyes to things i was taught to be blinded to. but once you're given sight, you're given knowledge.
people, please stop questioning TS. if you can't figure out just how close TS is to the Jacksons after 6-10, then i guess i'm going to have to buy you an ice cream and draw you pictures about it. it's there for you to see.
i kind of feel bad for elvis. you know that when michael comes back, elvis is going to face the masses again. i don't know what he was running from all these years, but i hope God will be with him when his time comes.
one last thing:
i love you michael, i do not love tests. but, i suppose if this is how we have to prove our loyalty and faith in you, i will do it. i don't know if i've been passing, but if i have to wait 30 years like the elvis hoaxies, i will.
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A thought ,
TIME DOTS :
Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm ; 7:1+6 = 7:7
Also : 7+1+6 = 14 = 77 ...Am I doing it right?
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TIME DOTS as in...Look at the dates mentioned in this post? Perhaps each redirect date mentioned here? Timing? Something to do with time or moments. Oh I dunno. I gave it a shot. Thanks, TS!
EDIT: TS= This Summer? :?
Just a thought.
to add to your thought, here's what i found from this site http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/june-solstice.html
"The June Solstice Explained
The June solstice is known as the summer solstice in the northern hemisphere contrary to the southern hemisphere, where it is known as the winter solstice. Its date varies from June 20 to June 22, depending on the year, in the Gregorian calendar. The June solstice occurs at 11:29am Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) on June 21 in 2010."
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Thank you SO SO SO much TS!!!
I have never waivered in my belief that the information you have been giving us all these months is correct and irrefutable. All the hard work you have put into showing us how Michael did this and why he did it is so appreciated by me. I always look forward to your daily redirects and the Updates
I admit I started to get a bit confused by the Elvis redirects for a while as I had always believed he had died and never really looked into his "death" and all the inconsistencies surrounding it. Then I started to realise with the evidence provided in the Elvis redirects that if I believe 100% that Michael is alive (which I do of course)...then why not Elvis?? Now I do!!!!!! So thank you... :D
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael you list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
...I am trying to figure out what they mean... :lol:
Also one thing I noticed is that 16th June was also when HIStory was released in 1995!!!!!
THANKYOU!!!!!
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A thought ,
TIME DOTS :
Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm ; 7:1+6 = 7:7
Also : 7+1+6 = 14 = 77 ...Am I doing it right?
Or... 1+6= 7 || 2+1=3 therefore ... 3 (three) 7's = 777
TS sounds like Ti Es (=test?)
TI ME DO TS = This is Michael & Elvis Dueing Out a TeSt
TI ME DO TS = This Is ME, DiscOver TS
TI ME DO TS = TIME to DO TeSts (a test)
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I think I solved it posts ago 8-) with help from delphi!
This Is Michael & Elvis, Due Out This Summer
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A thought ,
TIME DOTS :
Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm ; 7:1+6 = 7:7
Also : 7+1+6 = 14 = 77 ...Am I doing it right?
Or... 1+6= 7 || 2+1=3 therefore ... 3 (three) 7's = 777
TS sounds like Ti Es (=test?)
TI ME DO TS = This is Michael & Elvis Dueing Out a TeSt
TI ME DO TS = This Is ME, DiscOver TS
TI ME DO TS = TIME to DO TeSts (a test)
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I think I solved it posts ago 8-) with help from delphi!
This Is Michael & Elvis, Due Out This Summer
Let's hope so :lol:
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Thank you, thank you, thank you so much! I was really needing this.
No more words for now.
I love you more.
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A thought ,
TIME DOTS :
Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm ; 7:1+6 = 7:7
Also : 7+1+6 = 14 = 77 ...Am I doing it right?
Or... 1+6= 7 || 2+1=3 therefore ... 3 (three) 7's = 777
TS sounds like Ti Es (=test?)
TI ME DO TS = This is Michael & Elvis Dueing Out a TeSt
TI ME DO TS = This Is ME, DiscOver TS
TI ME DO TS = TIME to DO TeSts (a test)
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OR.......
77 could be the next update(#7) =July 7 =777 AND :
Yes, this redirect also had the “BAM” in the signature. Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
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Update #5 = DOTS OF TMZ SHOW
Update #6 = TIME DOTS
DOTS OF TMZ SHOW... ___(some message??)___
we should be looking at the 'TIME DOTS', i.e. what time the articles are posted??
maybe when put together they form some kinda message? like using the alphabet routine (e.g. a=1, b=2 etc) to convert all the numbers in time?
http://www.tmz.com/person/michael-jackson/
(i'd really like to try that now but i need to rush to somewhere. :( maybe tonight when i get back home.)
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If I read the end of that update correctly, and if nothing changes, then the next official update will be Michael himself!! How fitting that it's planned that the BAM will be.....wait for it.....
Update #7
TS - I Love You
Michael, I Love You Most!!
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Thank you SO SO SO much TS!!!
I have never waivered in my belief that the information you have been giving us all these months is correct and irrefutable. All the hard work you have put into showing us how Michael did this and why he did it is so appreciated by me. I always look forward to your daily redirects and the Updates
I admit I started to get a bit confused by the Elvis redirects for a while as I had always believed he had died and never really looked into his "death" and all the inconsistencies surrounding it. Then I started to realise with the evidence provided in the Elvis redirects that if I believe 100% that Michael is alive (which I do of course)...then why not Elvis?? Now I do!!!!!! So thank you... :D
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael you list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
...I am trying to figure out what they mean... :lol:
Also one thing I noticed is that 16th June was also when HIStory was released in 1995!!!!!
THANKYOU!!!!!
27-2
2+7=9 --> 9-2=7
9 could be of course the magic number and could stand for september
7=MJ's numerology and it could stand for July
Then... Maybe 9 of july? Or.. 2 of september?
...Or update #7
19-23
1+9=10 - (2+3) = 5 "Remember, remember the 5th of November"??
19-5=14 therefore 14 = 7+7 // or.. 2(two) 7's = 77
27-30
2+7=9 so..3 (three) 9's? 999
2+7=9 Then..30 of september?
47
4+7=11
OR..... July 4th 2011 ?¿ ("I love you see you in July 2011")
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I'm on the edge of my seat!! Can't read it all tonight. Thank you TS! :D I told my husband & sons, it may be Elvis and MJ out with a BAM! and they still scoff :( ...no matter how much evidence.
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oh boy!!!
27-2 = 9-2
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released (#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.)!
19-23 (2+3=5)
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next)
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
27-30
2+7=9
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released !
3+0=3
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
47
4+7=11
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
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Oh great, gonna read this at work with my coffee! Thanks TS!
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Thank you for another lengthy, detailed and valuable update!
Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later.
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
To those who still dismiss the purpose of the hoax, or still have doubts about it:
Please spend at least one day browsing the forum category "New World Order & Mind Control": viewforum.php?f=94 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=94) Read the articles posted there and watch the videos. What's written and shown in that category simply can't be dismissed, it's real and it's happening. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that exposing the New World Order IS the purpose of the hoax. Prepare yourself for the major battle that lies ahead of us. Make sure that you're fully prepared when Mike BAMs. Remember that he asked you: Will You Be There? Make sure you'll be there, make sure you will be able to help him.
You can change the world
(I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky
(It's gonna take somebody's help)
You're the chosen one
(I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight
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Awesome post TS
WOW
I have been reading almost everyday on this forum, (since I found it). All though I may not be good at connecting the dots. I’m good at being a true believer.
Thank you and MJ for all this great information.
My mom rest her sole would be so happy to read this post.
She always believed Elvis was alive. Like mother like daughter lol.
I’m looking forward to Bam. Michael your army of love is waiting to help.
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HUGE Thank you!
One again you wrote a crystal clear update! :D
I have to admit that the redirects about Elvis hoax death left me stunned and speechless, but seriously those two MEN are genius!
The greatest education in the world is watching the masters at work
Will you be there?
The answer is simple: YES!
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PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME AND READ
So, according to that (my previous post), Michael is coming back in 2012 (when it is supposed that this world will come to an end and a new era will arise).
Originally, there were 600 FBI files!
The documents, dating from 1992 to 2005, were made public Tuesday (Dec. 22) through a Freedom of Information Act request from the Associated Press and other media after Jackson's death June 25, at age 50. The FBI initially said it had about 600 pages in its files but released 333 pages, citing privacy rules and the desire to protect investigative techniques.
http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-j ... 5298.story (http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-s-fbi-files-released-1004055298.story#/news/michael-jackson-s-fbi-files-released-1004055298.story)
It is said that 333 files WERE RELEVEAD on 22Dec. 2009 and they were as you can see documents from 1992 to 2005 including Michael's trial in 2003, YET another website says:
The FBI released 333 investigation pages on Michael Jackson today --->(22 dec). The information contained in the documents details the alleged child molestation charges against the singer.
Extortion attempts made against Jackson were also included in the documents. Another 196 pages were withheld from the public detailing people who have informed the FBI on incidents during the investigation.
One man had threated to commit mass murder and kill Jackson at a Jackson concert.
The FBI released the files after a Freedom of Information Act application made by several media outlets.
http://www.examiner.com/x-25653-FBI-Exa ... vestigated (http://www.examiner.com/x-25653-FBI-Examiner~y2009m12d22-FBI-Michael-Jackson-FBI-files-released--Child-molestation-investigated)
So they released 333 documents from 1995 to 2005, and 196 files informing about that supposed terrorist attack we mentioned time ago. Michael was afraid that someone could shot him on stage (like Joe said) or that they were going to commit a mass murder at his concert. I BELIEVE THOSE DOCUMENTS WERE RELEASED TO GIVE US A CLUE AND TO MAKE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHY HE HAD TO FAKE HIS DEATH and THAT'S WHY THEY WITHHELD THEM. To protect himself and the fans from getting killed during TII tour. We all know Michael was threathened time ago (remember the tapes), that's why he was afraid to perform again (plus he didn't really want to hold 50 concerts! That was insane)
They released them "by mistake" to let us know about the reasons and then they withheld them..(SMART)
So Michael is now under a protection program! FBI's! That's why he could have done all this! Those files left are the fake documents they released until now, but I think that there are documents there which state that he is under protection due to life threats and attempts to kill him.
So since he decided to hoax his death and had time to think about it he also left us another clues like numerology, the new Smooth Criminal in TII (where he fakes his death), nonsenses in the autopsy, and many many others you should already know :P..
Did I make sense? To me this is the ultimate proof that he is alive!
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Good. :|
I just hope that others find it relatively easy to convince more people arond them because, whenever I try and talk to peopel about the whole hoax thing, My claimsa get rubbished...... :roll:
So I gave up trying to convince people around me...People dont wanna listen anyway... :roll:
By the way, I noticed the lower case "a" and "i" in Tiai....Usually all 4 letters are in upper case.....Is that a clue too? :?:
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And in case, Elvis was here reading this, I'd like to let him know that I just simply love----
1.My Way
2.In The Ghetto
Two of the greatest songs of all time!! :D
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So, according to that (my previous post), Michael is coming back in 2012 (when it is supposed that this world will come to an end and a new era will arise).
In my humble opinion, a BAM in 2012 will be too late. Remember that Mike said:
"We have 4 years to get it right or else it will be irreversible, the damage will be done.".
It's still my opinion that at least some parts of TII were recorded before or in December 2008. What happened right before that month? The 56th quadrennial United States presidential election was held on November 4, 2008. The inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States took place on Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
So, in 2012 there will be another United States presidential election. Campaigns for these elections will start pretty soon. In my opinion: to change the world, BAM has to occur prior to the 2012 United States presidential elections and campaigns, in order to elect a president that will carry out those changes.
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OK,
I'd like to know from TS, which side do you think Obama is on? And which side do people on this forum think that he is on?
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Life isn't about believing in dreams... it's about living them.
The most unforgettable people are the ones who never let reality get in the way.
Even a king needs a lift now and then.
Everyone falls from grace sometimes. Sooner or later we all have to get back up again.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120026/taglines (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120026/taglines)
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Please spend at least one day browsing the forum category "New World Order & Mind Control": viewforum.php?f=94 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=94) Read the articles posted there and watch the videos. What's written and shown in that category simply can't be dismissed, it's real and it's happening. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that exposing the New World Order IS the purpose of the hoax. Prepare yourself for the major battle that lies ahead of us. Make sure that you're fully prepared when Mike BAMs. Remember that he asked you: Will You Be There? Make sure you'll be there, make sure you will be able to help him.
You can change the world
(I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky
(It's gonna take somebody's help)
You're the chosen one
(I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight
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Oh my gosh! Mo! Here's my posts & tweets from last night
http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/reminder-of-message/
watched http://tinyurl.com/y5dv3qw , I needed this reminder: http://tinyurl.com/33mvr9l
Then I came on here and came across that very section you are referring to! I can't believe I haven't read one thing in there!!!! I resolved last night that I would take the time and see what was in that category!
We've got a battle ahead!
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Thank you TS ;)
L.O.V.E.
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Great posts! Thank you TS, Mo, lilwendy and everybody who invested time, effort and devotion into descovering the truth and backing Michael's safe return!
I truly believe also there are hard times awaiting and the battle will soon begin. But the main problem now is that we are not properly "armed" yet.. we are aware, but we lack the "military strategy". We need to master the arguments for the key factors in this worldwide event. We have to establish once and for all the who, why, how and when, without equivoque, as TS has been trying to guide us. Only after addressing these coordinates we can set out the necessary ACTIONS and it must be done soon.
Moreover, I think we should start by answering TS's questions, which obviously weren't meant to be rethorical. Maybe we should open a thread for each question and take turns in finding the right answer for each, this must help us in finding the guidelines of the final strategy. As Mo stated, we are already running out of time, the process is in full development and many things must be dramatically changed before 2012, so I beLIEve it is time to act NOW against the NWO and for Michael.
Please tell me if you feel the same and if you agree with this. Remember, "There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one"!
LOVE,
Andy
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TS, I want to start by thanking you for your great patience with us. And I apologize for any grief we may have given you.
Now, I'm not the greatest at figuring it all out and I tend to ride off the back of other wonderful, smart investigators we have here. Thanks LilWendy. But I want to tell you that if you are in a battle and you need someone who will be there every step of the way with you, then count on me. Just tell me what, when and where and I will be there.
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As Mo stated, we are already running out of time, the process is in full development and many things must be dramatically changed before 2012, so I beLIEve it is time to act NOW against the NWO and for Michael.
Please tell me if you feel the same and if you agree with this. Remember, "There's nothing that can't be done if we raise our voice as one"!
YES, it´s still my opinion that we are running out of time, and that we have to act fast.
Please, take the time to watch this video again, which we made in December. Start at 1:36 and watch it until 9:09.
[youtube:2yvpsg4j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLtFF5UEOE4[/youtube:2yvpsg4j]
They Don't Care About Us and HIStory tell it all, and the thing I remember most from watching TII in the cinema was that this part was sped up. The fragment of the "Last Rehearsal footage", released shortly after June 25th, lasts 42.5 seconds, while the same fragment from TII lasts 40.5 seconds. I have downloaded several "cam versions" of TII, recorded in cinemas, and they all show the same sped up They Don't Care About Us / HIStory part. Non of the DVD versions nor non of the Last Rehearsal footage on Youtube show it. That was done for a reason, like everything in the last twe decades was done for a reason. To me it clearly shows that we have to hurry up.
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Thank you TS for this Update!
The part about Elvis was shocking really then .. wow !!!
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pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, this update is not all about what 'time dots' means or not! :evil: :evil: :evil:
So Michael is now under a protection program! FBI's! That's why he could have done all this!
no, he is not!
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Thank you TS for all your hard work.
Bam or no Bam, double Bam or no double Bam, I still want to know WHY Michael J.J. faked his death. Small chance he will be performing again if he comes back and his performances were what I so very much liked. If that is his free choice-so be it.
The most interesting part to me is the WHY. I would like to know whether Michael was threatened in such a serious way ,that he had to turn to such a drastic performance as faking his death?
Maybe he just fled to an Island in the sun, because he wants to live his life with his children, the way he wants to. That would be perfectly acceptable for me.
Some secret powerfull club forcing him to fake his death or maybe actually having him killed is 'a club' I am most interested in. That 'club' will have to be revealed.[/color]
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Thank you TS !!!
In my humble opinion, a BAM in 2012 will be too late. Remember that Mike said:
"We have 4 years to get it right or else it will be irreversible, the damage will be done.".
It's still my opinion that at least some parts of TII were recorded before or in December 2008. What happened right before that month? The 56th quadrennial United States presidential election was held on November 4, 2008. The inauguration of Barack Obama as the 44th President of the United States took place on Tuesday, January 20, 2009.
So, in 2012 there will be another United States presidential election. Campaigns for these elections will start pretty soon. In my opinion: to change the world, BAM has to occur prior to the 2012 United States presidential elections and campaigns, in order to elect a president that will carry out those changes.
I totally agree with you Mo, bam in 2012 will be too late, we have to act !!!
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They Don't Care About Us and HIStory tell it all, and the thing I remember most from watching TII in the cinema was that this part was sped up. The fragment of the "Last Rehearsal footage", released shortly after June 25th, lasts 42.5 seconds, while the same fragment from TII lasts 40.5 seconds. I have downloaded several "cam versions" of TII, recorded in cinemas, and they all show the same sped up They Don't Care About Us / HIStory part. Non of the DVD versions nor non of the Last Rehearsal footage on Youtube show it. That was done for a reason, like everything in the last twe decades was done for a reason. To me it clearly shows that we have to hurry up.[/b]
Exactly Mo, you are definitely right! Let's not waste other 6 months on real/unreal dilemmas! If you beLIEve it is time to take action and make that change! We just have to put ourselves together and establish a unitary set of strategies and actions. We must assemble the army fast and wisely!
Mo & Souza, please help in creating the necessary logistics for constructive and solid planning on this matter. TS, please guide us, because you have the necessary authority to set out the guidelines! Thank you! THIS IS IT!
LOVE,
Andy
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pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease, this update is not all about what 'time dots' means or not! :evil: :evil: :evil:
So Michael is now under a protection program! FBI's! That's why he could have done all this!
no, he is not!
He is obviously under protection, how can you deny that? He is being helped you like it or not, there're people involved in the hoax who kept their mouth shut, that's protection. We don't know if the FBI is involved or not, but to me, those files are fishy
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Thank you so much TS for this update and these explanations about Elvis' "death". It's pretty amazing to know that he's still alive and that some of his fans still beLIEve after all these years. I want Michael to know that I'll be there as well for him no matter when. We are fighting for God's cause and I'm proud of it.
I didn't know that we were being tested. I wonder where I stand...
I have a question regarding DO you Think 4 your Self ? Does 4 has a special meaning ? Why 4 and not for ? Thank you.
God bless you.
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Thank you TS for this post. It really explains alot and keeps me in the loop. I also want to thank those like Serenity's Dream, lil'Wendy, and Mo/Souza, to name a few, for acting as unofficial captains and guiding the rest of the troops through this adventure. One LOVE.
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The decision of faking his death was made years ago.
So I don't think the reason was for the death threads.
He has been in the open for all those years and could have been killed a hundred of times.
He was talking about the Media that was after him, the danger for him and the fans when the media was chasing him with cars etc etc.
He talked about Diana beeing killed that way and he was afraid that could happen to him.
But he could have been killed on stage, in the streets, in the theater, anywhere!
So if/when he stepped out, faking his death, and as we alle BeLieve is planning to come back: THE BIG BAM, when he steps out in the open, he could be the target again of any idiot that wants to kill him.
He knows that.
Anyone can be killed out there, you, me , in the streets, in your own home, war, robbery etc.
So that can't be the reason for faking his death.
Remember that Michael is a perfectionist.
In HIS music, so also in HIS hoax.
And for Michael and for Elvis, it would be great if they would tell the world the real reason for hoaxing their death.
Enjoy the ride, stay tuned!
Chappie
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The decision of faking his death was made years ago.
So I don't think the reason was for the death threads.
He has been in the open for all those years and could have been killed a hundred of times.
He was talking about the Media that was after him, the danger for him and the fans when the media was chasing him with cars etc etc.
He talked about Diana beeing killed that way and he was afraid that could happen to him.
But he could have been killed on stage, in the streets, in the theater, anywhere!
So if/when he stepped out, faking his death, and as we alle BeLieve is planning to come back: THE BIG BAM, when he steps out in the open, he could be the target again of any idiot that wants to kill him.
He knows that.
Anyone can be killed out there, you, me , in the streets, in your own home, war, robbery etc.
So that can't be the reason for faking his death.
Remember that Michael is a perfectionist.
In HIS music, so also in HIS hoax.
And for Michael and for Elvis, it would be great if they would tell the world the real reason for hoaxing their death.
Enjoy the ride, stay tuned!
Chappie
I think it's both, of course there are more reasons to fake his death, and we know it, but i think that fearing for his life is also plausible..remember the tapes, he said he was afraid and wanted to disappear .. so that could do it as well, together with the message he wants to spread and changes he wants to make. His comeback will be historic, a radical "heal the world"
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[youtube:6kwhgvo2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zw6Q0m9QkQ[/youtube:6kwhgvo2]
[youtube:6kwhgvo2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZYJd0u6NI0[/youtube:6kwhgvo2]
[youtube:6kwhgvo2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwXL_hzR-2U[/youtube:6kwhgvo2]
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TS what a nice surprise !!!
Love you :)
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WooW! I knew only few things about Elvis, but now I'm sure he is still alive!! There are so much connections about Mike and him, certainly Mike STUDYed a lot Elvis' moves... They're amazing!!
And what about numbers?? Amazing too!!
We really don't need no more proofs, it's clear what is happening... for the Bamday June, July or every other months no matter... he would teach us so much important things, and he did, and your words did TS.... Thank you soooo much... really!!! This is a the graetest adventure!! Thank you for your Love!!
P.S. TS, Could you please write next update in Italian language??? :lol: Every time I have to translate it to be sure to understand the correct meaning!!! It's an hard work... :lol:
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.. this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. :o And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
Oh God, it like that? To what end? This can also happen with Mike, so he will not return? :? :?: :cry:
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This is Going to be a "REAL HOT SUMMER" quoting Princes new song!
I must say since the original mjhd site"Study" you have always seemed to know a lot,only someone with inside knowledge would know. One thing I have spread the truth about the N.W.O and Michael but the fear in certain peoples eyes worries me because they fear the life they living now will change drastically,there are many of us who believe but when the BAM happens how will these people react to this? I believe these people need the BAM more than us,because we expect it! The World needs a Wake UP Call. What better than a Double Bam! Go Elvis And Michael!
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Thank you TS!
Everytime I read your articles,I do STUDY a lot. Big THANK YOU! Army of LOVE is making that CHANGE!
I LOVE YOU ALL & GOD BLESS:)
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Awesome post TS
WOW
I have been reading almost everyday on this forum, (since I found it). All though I may not be good at connecting the dots. I’m good at being a true believer.
Thank you and MJ for all this great information.
My mom rest her sole would be so happy to read this post.
She always believed Elvis was alive. Like mother like daughter lol.
I’m looking forward to Bam. Michael your army of love is waiting to help.
Wow TS, Wow!!! And thank you!
I am like you 18wheels...
I am on this forum every single day...I've read and re-read all of the TIAI and TS posts. I am horrible at connecting the dots but I am a true beLIEver! Kudos to TS, Souza, Mo, lilwendy, Chappie and all the others who have proven to be extraordinary investigators and who guide the rest of us along the right path! I am ready and waiting for BAM (double or not) and I am proud to be a soldier in MJs army of LOVE!
Here we go...THIS IS IT!!!!
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And this is Elvis Presley's final concert on the 26th June 1977. He chose "My Way" as his final song, even having to read the words from a sheet of paper. It obviously wasn't rehearsed that much. He had a message to his fans. This is 2 months before he passed.
And now the end is near, and so I face, the final curtain...
[youtube:3f1lwqmt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfcf1acU1I&feature=PlayList&p=F42B89E18CEEA5BC&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1[/youtube:3f1lwqmt]
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Thanks TS for this new explanation, and that people are not swayed by all the garbage you read in the media and lose faith. ;)
TS compares the open coffin of Elvis and Michael closed the coffin, I would add the unmarked grave of Michael, .. God there are still people who do not see those details. :?
Caught my attention what TS mentioned at the end, "What we have just witnessed could be the end of a terrifying nightmare. It is not. It is the beginning. What does this mean?, .. :?: We must be prepared as the host of love?, hear the message of Michael and attention at BAM, is to remember that Michael said it was all love and believe in love means opting for love as a way of life, to solve social problems, to defend our legitimate rights, do not believe in wars, violence, the differences of race, creed or religion, (in other threads has been discussed about the possibility that Michael has converted to Islam, and that idea scares a lot of people ) in the class struggle, nor to hate .. :D
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who faked his own death and reappeared SEVEN days later to take revenge on his enemies
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And this is Elvis Presley's final concert on the 26th June 1977. He chose "My Way" as his final song, even having to read the words from a sheet of paper. It obviously wasn't rehearsed that much. He had a message to his fans. This is 2 months before he passed.
And now the end is near, and so I face, the final curtain...
[youtube:1y0ys5cm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGfcf1acU1I&feature=PlayList&p=F42B89E18CEEA5BC&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1[/youtube:1y0ys5cm]
On the 26th June 1977 Can't Help Falling In Love was the last song. not My Way!
This video is taken from 21 june (or 22). ;)
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Thank you TS , so much to read ..just finished ! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
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Thank you SO SO SO much TS!!!
I have never waivered in my belief that the information you have been giving us all these months is correct and irrefutable. All the hard work you have put into showing us how Michael did this and why he did it is so appreciated by me. I always look forward to your daily redirects and the Updates
I admit I started to get a bit confused by the Elvis redirects for a while as I had always believed he had died and never really looked into his "death" and all the inconsistencies surrounding it. Then I started to realise with the evidence provided in the Elvis redirects that if I believe 100% that Michael is alive (which I do of course)...then why not Elvis?? Now I do!!!!!! So thank you... :D
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael you list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
...I am trying to figure out what they mean... :lol:
Also one thing I noticed is that 16th June was also when HIStory was released in 1995!!!!!
THANKYOU!!!!!
This may be a coincidence but at this point, it's hard for me to believe in them. Tupac's birthday is June 16th and he is yet another person with strange numerology (not nearly as extensive as MJ or perhaps Elvis but it still exists). And what is the main number with Tupac? Seven. 8-)
Oh and thank you, TS for again, a clear, concise explanation. It always reaffirms my belief.
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Thank you for another lengthy, detailed and valuable update!
Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later.
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
To those who still dismiss the purpose of the hoax, or still have doubts about it:
Please spend at least one day browsing the forum category "New World Order & Mind Control": viewforum.php?f=94 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=94) Read the articles posted there and watch the videos. What's written and shown in that category simply can't be dismissed, it's real and it's happening. There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that exposing the New World Order IS the purpose of the hoax. Prepare yourself for the major battle that lies ahead of us. Make sure that you're fully prepared when Mike BAMs. Remember that he asked you: Will You Be There? Make sure you'll be there, make sure you will be able to help him.
You can change the world
(I can't do it by myself)
You can touch the sky
(It's gonna take somebody's help)
You're the chosen one
(I'm gonna need some kind of sign)
If we all cry at the same time tonight
Yes! Well said, Mo. This is exactly right. This is what needs to happen. Please DO NOT ignore it. This is urgency at it's highest and most intense.
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The capital letters are reminding me of BACK. I bumped my old post about him for anyone interested in reading more about this possible source. He was posting clues pre June 25th....like in 2005/2006, etc. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5167) I am not sure if the two are linked but figure I point it out.
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Thank you TS!!!! God bless!!
6-10 Are TIAI Posts Too Long?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10461&start=25#p175723}
MJFAN7 wrote: “... I wasn’t looking forward to reading the long posts about TIAI Revealed until I started reading them. Then I couldn’t stop!” This is good advice, especially for those who have spent a year now investigating and researching the hoax—and yet have not spent a few days reading posts which make very clear the when, why, and even the some of the how.
NOOOOO TS! They aren't too long! They are long , but they contain so much helpful information! And I understand that your identity shouldn't matter, that is why i said:
Who is behind TS..? All we know is that it's not Michael, or anyone from TMZ, and I THINK that's all he told us about his identity so far. But we should be more concerned if the information is valuable, which it is because he's predicted several things. So we can know for sure that TS is the real deal.
;)
Anyway! I CAN'T WAIT to see what unfolds this Summer! Summer 2009 was the worst one of my life, I'm glad that there is proof Michael's alive! So hopefully now Summer 2010 will be the best one of my life!
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So I didn't work much this morning and had a lot of coffee, but it is brilliant again. I do hope people will take notice and stop denying the truth that is right in front of their eyes. The signs are there, all we need to do is give Mike a sign that we understand and will be there for him. It's time to connect the dots and make a stand.
How many people will have to die before we will take a stand
How many children will have to cry, before we do all we can
If sending your love is all you can give
To help one live, mmm
How many times can we turn our heads
And pretend we cannot see
Healing the wounds of our broken earth
We are one global family
Just sending your prayers
Is something you feel
Helping one heal
What have I got that I can give
(What have I got that I can give, tell me)
What have I got that I can give, yeah, oh
To love and to teach you
To hold and to need you
What more can I give (what more can I give, yeah)
brother to brother, lay down our fears and reach out and make a pact
Show him the love that is in our hearts, let us bring salvation back
Just sending your love has the power to heal
So let's all give
What have I got that I can give
(It's not a lot to give, just a little bit)
What have I got that I can give
(Everyone should be a part of it)
To love and to teach you
To hold and to need you
What more can I give
Say the words, I'll lay 'em down for you
Just call my name, I am your friend
See then why do they keep teaching us
Such hate and cruelty
We should give over and over again
What have I got that I can give
(We should give over and over again)
What have I got that I can give
(Oh my God, oh my God)
See, to love and to teach you
To hold and to need you
What more can I give
What have I got that I can give (aah)
What have I got that I can give
(Give to you, give to you)
See, to love and to teach you
To hold and to need you
What more can I give (Oooh)
Repeat
What have I got that I can give
(Give to you, we're gonna give to you)
What have I got that I can give
To hold and conceal you
To love and to heal you
What more can I give
What have I got that I can give
(What have I got)
(Send them your prayers)
What have I got that I can give
(Show the world how much you really care)
(To love you)
To love and to teach you
(To hold you, to need you)To hold and to need you
What more can I give
What have I got that I can give...
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On a less serious note: I saw something in this update that made me laugh so hard my colleagues asked me if I needed a white hat, because I was turning blue due to lack of oxygen! :lol: For some reason I really hope I'm right, because it would be darn funny.
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On a less serious note: I saw something in this update that made me laugh so hard my colleagues asked me if I needed a white hat, because I was turning blue due to lack of oxygen! :lol: For some reason I really hope I'm right, because it would be darn funny.
COME ON SOUZA!!! SPILL IT! :D
Tagging onto your music lyrics here is a post I did back in May... thought I'd share
Full post: http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/jambam/
This morning I was listening to JAM because everyday for me is Jamsday! LOL
Every morning I listen to this song… I play it on YouTube with the lyrics so I’m reminded of the message…
Nation To Nation
All The World
Must Come Together
Face The Problems
That We See
Then Maybe Somehow We Can Work It Out
I Asked My Neighbor
For A Favor
She Said Later
What Has Come Of
All The People
Have We Lost Voice
What It’s About
I Have To Find My Peace ‘Cause
No One Seems To Let Me Be
False Prophets Cry Of Doom
What Are The Possibilities
I Told My Brother
There’ll Be Problems,
Times And Tears For Fears,
We Must Live Each Day
Like It’s The Last
The World Keeps Changing
Rearranging Minds
And Thoughts
Predictions Fly Of Doom
The Baby Boom
Has Come Of Age
To Work It Out
I Told My Brothers
Don’t You Ask Me
For No Favors
I’m Conditioned By
The System
Don’t You Talk To Me
Don’t Scream And Shout
She Pray To God, To Buddha
Then She Sings A
Talmud Song
Confusions Contradict
The Self
Do We Know Right
From Wrong
I Just Want You To
Recognize Me
In The Temple
You Can’t Hurt Me
I Found Peace
Within Myself
Go With It
Go With It
Jam
We are breaking the conditioning that the system has got us in… we have got to dare to be different!
We are waiting for a BAMsday? Let’s heed this message and make everyday a JAMsday!
Oh and lastly… Play these two links and tell me the difference between a BAM and a JAM… LOL
Jam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCiGHc21f20#t=331
Bam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6x2wS4uNVY
Have a great day!
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On a less serious note: I saw something in this update that made me laugh so hard my colleagues asked me if I needed a white hat, because I was turning blue due to lack of oxygen! :lol: For some reason I really hope I'm right, because it would be darn funny.
PLEASE TELL ME WHAT!!! :mrgreen:
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No, I'm not going to spill it because then it will be less funny!! And I could be wrong of course... :lol:
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thank you TS!!! ^^ again great post ! as always ! ;)
BAM! :lol:
with a L.O.V.E!
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Thank you very much TS! But how can we let Michael know that we understand his message and ready to be there?
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TS PLS READ!!!
TS, we already know how the Jacksons wrote about "Revealed" part (“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”) and just before they made that tweet, you had made a post in which TIAI revealed! We've already shown that as a clue to non-believers BUT that seems JUST like a coincidence to non-believers! (I'm not talking about us, not about the believers, not about myself. Because this is not about us no more. We need to spread the message to non-believers asap!) Non-believers think that what the Jacksons tweeted was about Michael was murdered by AEG or Sony but in the media they don't spell about a murder plan about AEG and Sony. They think that that's the reason why they wrote the media lies part. And the truth revealed to them by the family members when they said Michael was murdered. This is what THEY think when we show this as a proof that TIAI is related to Michael. Trust me, I've tried this one many times. That was the reason why I wrote you to make something more concrete and visible and understandable by EVERYONE about the Jacksons. And when Restlessoul asked you to tell Jacksons to use "This is also it" in a tweet, that sounded such a great idea to me. And it still is a great idea because the part what Jacksons tweeted about you, doesn't convince non-believers."Just a word they used in common doesn't mean that they're related" a non-believer wrote me once. If we're trying to spread the message, this is something very urgent that has to be done. For us, all of the things you have written is so AMAZING, breath taking. They explain WHY Michael did it, HOW he did it so so well. AND I'M PERSONALLY ONE OF YOUR BEST SUPPORTERS but I want to spread the message to everyone FASTER. We don't have so much time. And if non-believers find your posts very long to read, and closed their ears to what we say, then we should have a very clear-open proof to show them that you're related with the Jacksons and that can be something that comes from the Jacksons only. It must be very open and clear for them to see and to understand because we know how in a denial they're. So we need your help once again! Pls think about it and tell it to Michael. I'm not asking from you to do something for me or for the believers here but for us TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE to non-believers!
TS wrote:
"maybe we can even get the attention of the media!"
So Michael wants us to go to the media about the hoax?!
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael, TS list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
TIME DOTS and all these numbers. These numbers can give us the exact date of the BAM and I'll work on it.
Such an amazing post once more TS. Thank you so so much. God bless.
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TS wrote:
"As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive..."
So we know that TS is an attorney.
No, TS quoted probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras.
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TS wrote:
"As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive..."
So we know that TS is an attorney.
No, TS quoted probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras.
yeah I've just realized that too. Thank you hon :)
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1 month before elvis 'death' :?
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**Bump**
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Thanks once again TS for the informative posts. Please let Michael know that his "army of love" is ready and waiting for his return, so we can fight this battle against the NWO!( with Love) :)
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Thankyou TS - This is utterly brilliant!
I love that us 'crazy' people finally have complete logic to work with on a large scale - even if it does make my head spin sometimes. I 'm glad that nothing will be the same after this !!! Much love Michael, Jesse & cohorts - and to all who seek the truth & to those who don't realise they need it. Lots of love xxx
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Thanks for yet another great post TS. Looking forward to this more that you have lined up.
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I have been trying to figure out what the numbers mean at the bottom of section
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
I thought coordinates and looked that up, it is just outside Cancun, Mexico. I really can't see anything significant/relevant there.
When I put 27-2 into google the first thing that comes back from the search is:
Proverbs 27:2 (New International Version)
2 Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; someone else, and not your own lips.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+27%3A2&version=NIV
19-23
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (New International Version)
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9%3A19-23&version=NIV
27-30
Matthew 5:27-30
Lust
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+5%3A27-30
47
Acts 2:42-47
The Fellowship of the Believers
42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 And awe [1] came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Acts+2%3A42-47
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TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
Postby TS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm
UH OK IT JUST HIT ME LIKE A TON OF BRICKS. i don't know if anyone else thinks the same way or have gotten it.
usually TS's update number and length has significance, e.g. Update 4 with 44 parts, and a major clue released on 4 april, 4am.
And this update we're given the clue time dots.
The time of the post, is 7:16pm. This could very likely point to July the 16th. and at 7am/pm, it would be 777 (7/1+6/7).
Uh, bam anyone? :S
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27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
Thank you very much Souza as I am not all that Bible literate.
I also believe all is relevant. 8-)
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27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
Thank you very much Souza as I am not all that Bible literate.
I also believe all is relevant. 8-)
Me neither, but apparently we do think alike.
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"The future is a riddle only time can solve."
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I think the numbers mean this, that's why the list:
oh boy!!!
27-2 = 9-2
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released (#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.)!
19-23 (2+3=5)
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next)
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
27-30
2+7=9
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released !
3+0=3
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
47
4+7=11
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
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Thank You so much TS for this information
MJs Army Of Love Is Waiting!!! :D
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TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
Postby TS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm
UH OK IT JUST HIT ME LIKE A TON OF BRICKS. i don't know if anyone else thinks the same way or have gotten it.
usually TS's update number and length has significance, e.g. Update 4 with 44 parts, and a major clue released on 4 april, 4am.
And this update we're given the clue time dots.
The time of the post, is 7:16pm. This could very likely point to July the 16th. and at 7am/pm, it would be 777 (7/1+6/7).
Uh, bam anyone? :S
GOOD EYE :)
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I think the numbers mean this, that's why the list:
oh boy!!!
27-2 = 9-2
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released (#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.)!
19-23 (2+3=5)
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next)
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
27-30
2+7=9
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released !
3+0=3
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
47
4+7=11
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
With what purpose? I still go for the bible passages.
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I think the numbers mean this, that's why the list:
oh boy!!!
27-2 = 9-2
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released (#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.)!
19-23 (2+3=5)
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next)
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
27-30
2+7=9
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc) on the same day the 333FBI files are going to be released !
3+0=3
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
47
4+7=11
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
With what purpose? I still go for the bible passages.
I don't know, I still can't find the meaning of all these numbers in the list, but maybe he wanted us to focus on that.
However it could also be about the Bible, who knows anymore.. this is confusing
TS should give us a hand, is it about the passages or about the list? :?
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I have been trying to figure out what the numbers mean at the bottom of section
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
I thought coordinates and looked that up, it is just outside Cancun, Mexico. I really can't see anything significant/relevant there.
(http://www.phillipsdepury.com/umbraco/ImageGen.ashx?Image=/lot_images/UK000309/52_001.jpg&AltImage=/lot_images/UK000309/52_002.jpg)
When I put 27-2 into google the first thing that comes back from the search is:
Proverbs 27:2 (New International Version)
2 Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; someone else, and not your own lips.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+27%3A2&version=NIV
19-23
1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (New International Version)
19Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+9%3A19-23&version=NIV
27-30
Matthew 5:27-30
Lust
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+5%3A27-30
47
Acts 2:42-47
The Fellowship of the Believers
42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. 43 And awe [1] came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles. 44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. 46 And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number day by day those who were being saved.
http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Acts+2%3A42-47
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TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
TIME DO TS???
?????
beLIEve
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Thanks for all the hard work you do to keep us updated. It's greatly appreciated. BAM so excited dunno when it'll be but gee Michael!!!! :D :D
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I thought I would post this here as it is interesting and TS refers to the STUDY website in this Update and the debate by some people around whether it is linked to TIAI and TS.
I think this TMZ article below is an example of how TS has been telling us to watch TMZ titles and also what is within the article itself .....I think this article was posted after this Update
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/17/michael-j ... ng-of-pop/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/17/michael-jackson-memorabilia-estate-t-shirts-website-king-of-pop/)
To me this is a classic example of RBTL...is MJ p'd off that there has been the debate regarding the STUDY website run by Tim Simkin and how some people are scathing of TIAI/TS saying it is related to Tim Simkin and it is nothing but a religious cult etc etc. and because of this they are disregarding the valid information and proof that TIAI/TS has in regards to Michael's "death". To me that STUDY website has always looked completely setup and artificial; as TS suggests...it may be setup as a decoy to test us.
I took this article as Michael trying to get a message to us about that STUDY website? Have a read and see what you think.
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On a less serious note: I saw something in this update that made me laugh so hard my colleagues asked me if I needed a white hat, because I was turning blue due to lack of oxygen! :lol: For some reason I really hope I'm right, because it would be darn funny.
Ohhh...I wonder what it is. I will have to go back and read it yet again..see if I can pick anything up.
:)
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27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
WoW this makes huge sense.
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Thank you SO much for this information! I am shining my armor and sharpening my sword for the battle ahead. This enlisted soldier of L.O.V.E. will be ready! I may not be the sharpest crayon in this box of believers when figuring out these clues but I am faithful. I guess that counts for something :)
I'll be standing right next to you with my sword held high. TS this is a great post!!! I am ready!!!
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Thank you TS for this very informative post! My whole life has changed this past year and I thank you from the bottom of my heart!
Ready for anything, anywhere and anytime.
"I'll Be There" :mrgreen:
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TS, thank you so much for all of your ingenious posts!
TS PLS READ!!!
TS, we already know how the Jacksons wrote about "Revealed" part (“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”) and just before they made that tweet, you had made a post in which TIAI revealed! We've already shown that as a clue to non-believers BUT that seems JUST like a coincidence to non-believers! (I'm not talking about us, not about the believers, not about myself. Because this is not about us no more. We need to spread the message to non-believers asap!) Non-believers think that what the Jacksons tweeted was about Michael was murdered by AEG or Sony but in the media they don't spell about a murder plan about AEG and Sony. They think that that's the reason why they wrote the media lies part. And the truth revealed to them by the family members when they said Michael was murdered. This is what THEY think when we show this as a proof that TIAI is related to Michael. Trust me, I've tried this one many times. That was the reason why I wrote you to make something more concrete and visible and understandable by EVERYONE about the Jacksons. And when Restlessoul asked you to tell Jacksons to use "This is also it" in a tweet, that sounded such a great idea to me. And it still is a great idea because the part what Jacksons tweeted about you, doesn't convince non-believers."Just a word they used in common doesn't mean that they're related" a non-believer wrote me once. If we're trying to spread the message, this is something very urgent that has to be done. For us, all of the things you have written is so AMAZING, breath taking. They explain WHY Michael did it, HOW he did it so so well. AND I'M PERSONALLY ONE OF YOUR BEST SUPPORTERS but I want to spread the message to everyone FASTER. We don't have so much time. And if non-believers find your posts very long to read, and closed their ears to what we say, then we should have a very clear-open proof to show them that you're related with the Jacksons and that can be something that comes from the Jacksons only. It must be very open and clear for them to see and to understand because we know how in a denial they're. So we need your help once again! Pls think about it and tell it to Michael. I'm not asking from you to do something for me or for the believers here but for us TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE to non-believers!
TS wrote:
"maybe we can even get the attention of the media!"
So Michael wants us to go to the media about the hoax?!
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael, TS list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
TIME DOTS and all these numbers. These numbers can give us the exact date of the BAM and I'll work on it.
Such an amazing post once more TS. Thank you so so much. God bless.
P.L., I really felt you on this- I feel and have felt that urgency about spreading the message, but it's so difficult for people to open their minds! TS has given us SO much, I'm always desperate for non-beLIEvers to "get it", but they seem to take joy out of flocking around hoaxers like angry birds.. I think P.L. has a great idea here, but maybe you and the Jacksons are already working on it, huh?
I feel so incredibly honored and blessed to be here, supporting MJ.."Will You Be There" has never been easy for me to listen to, but now I can finally Be There for him.. All of us can. I have learned so much, I feel like I am forever changed for the better. God Bless you, MJ..
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[youtube:jeulh3qj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccT-Cjh-LpQ&feature=related[/youtube:jeulh3qj]
Mind Is The Magic
Come in to me
I know mystical garden
Orchards and violets
All mysteries are parted
Life is a mirageghost
Imagination
Pure inspiration called justification
Nothing's impossible
Nothing's concealed
Everything here is for real
What gives fantastic ghouls all in your head?
Who creates wonders like nobody can?
Chorus:
Siegfried & Roy
You know it's
Siegfried & Roy
So be it
Siegfried & Roy
I'm gonna...
Siegfried & Roy
When it's Siegfried & Roy
It's the mind of a magic in true
Your own thoughts play the game
In the magical wonders they do
The mind in the magic is you
Move of the head
And I'll change your emotions
Strange things appear
From euphorics, devotions
Everything's happening
Nothing's unreal
Hallucinating the mind in the real
Seeing black panthers
That suddenly fly
White tigers stalking your mind
Hallucinating the things that you see
This kind of magic's so hard to believe
'Cause when it's Siegfried & Roy
It's the mind of a magic in true
Your own thoughts play the game
In the magical wonders they do
The mind in the magic is you
When it's Siegfried & Roy
It's the mind of a magic in true
When it's Siegfried & Roy
It's the mind of a magic in true
(Seeing is believin'...)
When it's Siegfried & Roy
It's the mind of a magic in true
Hallucinations
The game of this kind
This kind of magic
Throws mind
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I BeLIEve. This is awesome. Thank you TS.
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Once again TS...absolutely brilliant! I got the feeling, in this last update, that we're in the home stretch...at least for this phase of the hoax. Thank you SO much for guiding us along the way and helping us to see the 'bigger picture'. You make me smile everytime I read your words...
To all believers...I think we're past the point of 'convincing' anyone. If, at this point, they still need convincing....with all the inconsistencies, lies, halftruths, etc...and especially if they have read TS's posts and still don't believe...then nothing will convince them other than MJ himself (and even then something tells me they'll want proof).
Someone in another thread (sorry can't remember who)...wondered if we are, perhaps, in some way, the 'chosen ones'. I don't know if we are or even what it fully means if we are. But I don't believe in coincidences (I never really did and now I definitely don't)...and I don't think that we all just happened to come across this site and remain here for an entire year believing in the hoax...just due to coincidence and/or a fluke. I firmly believe that we are exactly where we are supposed to be right this second...and that the past year has been a learning process. TS mentioned 'testing us' and if you think about it, ever since he began posting...it's been like a crash course! Much like a teacher, he guided us along the way...led us in the right direction....and then it was up to us to find the answers. I must say that this has been the toughest course I have ever taken because in order to understand the message...I had to forget everything I have ever known. I have read the posts on this forum since the beginning and, as a teacher myself, I would give you guys all an A for your dedication, your inquisitveness, your research skills, and most of all for your L.O.V.E. for MJ.
To Michael....the mere thought that you might be reading this sends my heart fluttering 2000 watts :oops: I have loved, respected, and admired you for as long as I can remember and I didn't think I could love you any more than I already did...but I was wrong. I have needed you in the past...your music mended my heart as an abused young girl....your dance was my only escape from life....and your soul has given me the courage to rise each day and care for my disabled daughter. YOU made me believe that there was still good in the world...that there was still hope. Now...the world needs you....this really is it (I'm starting to see that more and more)...this is our last chance to get it right. Your Army of L.O.V.E. is assembled but every army needs a Commander in Chief. We may not have figured out all the complexities of the hoax (and please cut us some slack..you've been planning this for years!! lol)...but that's ok because soldiers don't need to know everything about the upcoming battle...they just need to firmly believe in the mission, have the desire and dedication to see it through and have a Commander in Chief to lead them in the right direction. We need you to lead us! I can't speak for everyone here, but I can say that I WILL BE THERE, wherever there is and whatever 'there' entails. It will be the least I could do to thank you for all you've done for me....without even knowing it.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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Just like in the song cry "School the World!" The master teaches the students and will the students become masters themselves? Love shall lead us to that moment. Unconditional Love Will lead us to victory.
The whole event will be HIStory and we all can be a part. For this is our planet we are ripping apart!
I will be there with all my Heart,Love has always been the answer to all our problems.We are all one
so Michael when you BAM,we will all be by your side and we will All JAM! :D L.O.V.E
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OK beLIEvers :arrow: it's time we UNITE as Michael's soldiers in his ARMY of L.O.V.E. :!:
"How :?: " you ask. I do not have that answer; do you :?: If so, please take the risk and share your ideas :!: AND REMEMBER, "DON'T STOP 'TIL MJ GETS ENOUGH!"
I'm heading back to the locker room myself; time to start re-examining TS's game plan :arrow: AND yes, I'm starting from the beginning ;)
Barnum & Bailey poster, 1899
"Ladies and Gentlemen! Boys and Girls! Children of all ages! Step up, step up! Come one, come all, to 'The Greatest Show on Earth!'"
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I was thinking about the fact that people outside the hoax camp just refuse to listen or believe, and that the vast majority of people don't care or only believe the media or jackson family's united story of murder. TS and Michael are going to so incredibly much trouble in all the intricacies of this hoax and these reveals, just for us, a relatively small group of people, comparing even to his worldwide fan numbers. (Obviously not to make money.) Why? I was thinking about that and all the scripture that's been quoted. This other Bible story came to my mind. It also has the Angel of the Lord in it (Archangel Michael). Judges 6-7. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=judges%206-7&version=NKJV)
Israel was in danger of being destroyed by their enemy the Midianites. The Angel appeared to Gideon and told him to lead in the fight. Gideon tests if it's really God by laying out the fleece. To make a long story short, he had 32,000 in his army to fight but God said he had too many. By various methods in the story he whittled them down to 300 men with nothing but trumpets and torches. By miraculous divine means including a dream, they defeated the vast army, because in the end the enemy turned on each other as well in their confusion. The attack had been a surprise. In relating to this Army of love, it struck me that it's not the actual number in it, but the devotion, love and wisdom of those in it. In our world's ultimate battle against evil, a very small army of love will be victorious!
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I was thinking about the fact that people outside the hoax camp just refuse to listen or believe, and that the vast majority of people don't care or only believe the media or jackson family's united story of murder. TS and Michael are going to so incredibly much trouble in all the intricacies of this hoax and these reveals, just for us, a relatively small group of people, comparing even to his worldwide fan numbers. (Obviously not to make money.) Why? I was thinking about that and all the scripture that's been quoted. This other Bible story came to my mind. It also has the Angel of the Lord in it (Archangel Michael). Judges 6-7. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=NKJV (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=judges%206-7&version=NKJV)
Israel was in danger of being destroyed by their enemy the Midianites. The Angel appeared to Gideon and told him to lead in the fight. Gideon tests if it's really God by laying out the fleece. To make a long story short, he had 32,000 in his army to fight but God said he had too many. By various methods in the story he whittled them down to 300 men with nothing but trumpets and torches. By miraculous divine means including a dream, they defeated the vast army, because in the end the enemy turned on each other as well in their confusion. The attack had been a surprise. In relating to this Army of love, it struck me that it's not the actual number in it, but the devotion, love and wisdom of those in it. In our world's ultimate battle against evil, a very small army of love will be victorious!
What an excellent comparison. Interesting choice of weapons mentioned. Trumpet and torch. Proclaimation and vision. MJ is alive and the ability to see through the dark blanket of the media.
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....and.....if...
TS= Tom Sneddon
OMG!! :shock: :lol:
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....and.....if...
TS= Tom Sneddon
OMG!! :shock: :lol:
I hope you are not serious........ :roll: :roll:
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Hi,
actually I'm completely astonished but I am also wondering what Elvis got to do with the whole thing!!! Now I know that Michael has learned a lot of things from Elvis. He did the hoax for a porpuse. He wants to fight the WNO. And what about Elvis?? Why did he decide to come back all in a sudden?? Will he fight with Michael?? Is his comeback really necessary??? I'm not against him but I'm just wondering why he is in the picture now and not years ago!!!!
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Hi Galina,
Regarding Elvis' "death" it's important because the similarities are numerous, Michael inspired himself from what Elvis made, this only is enough to be mentionned I think.
Plus the fact that Elvis is still alive and if the information hit the news it can lead people (Elvis' fans for example) to believe that Michael can have perfectly made the same thing and bring them on the subjects of NWO.
Now Elvis is not going to "come back" and as TS said:
"Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
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Oh, I see. It really could be so. Thank you Sarahli
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Hello all,
I've been following all the forums, discussions and updates for the past month even though I'm not interacting with everybody.
I only had a thought to share with everybody. If we read the DOTS for the update 6, we see TIME DOTS, as people have already explained earlier. But when I look at which time the update 6 was posted, we can see that it is at 3:16. Right away, i thought of:
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Could this be part of Michael's message, that we have to believe Our Lord God and True Savior Jesus Christ to be saved and Michael wants us to spread that message. Don't forget that Jesus always talked about Loving our neighbor.
God Bless all
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Hello all,
I've been following all the forums, discussions and updates for the past month even though I'm not interacting with everybody.
I only had a thought to share with everybody. If we read the DOTS for the update 6, we see TIME DOTS, as people have already explained earlier. But when I look at which time the update 6 was posted, we can see that it is at 3:16. Right away, i thought of:
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Could this be part of Michael's message, that we have to believe Our Lord God and True Savior Jesus Christ to be saved and Michael wants us to spread that message. Don't forget that Jesus always talked about Loving our neighbor.
God Bless all
Thank you for that Mathieu. This is also my feeling that faith in God the Creator of all things is important (even more than just important) to save our souls and I also wondered if it was part of Michael's message because of Murray in church 8-).
We must go back to the true religion which is submission to God's law (includes all scriptures Thorah, Bible, Quoran, all Prophets and messenger from Abraham to Jesus and Mohammed to name a few, all religions from the same and Unique God). The problem nowadays is that religions have been transformed (to say the least), each one claiming to be the right and only way for example. The truth is that there is only one God the same for each human being on this planet. This is what unites us. We all have the same roots we should consider ourselves as brothers and sisters and care for each other. We're all in the same boat after all.
Unfortunately a lot of people have no real faith or no faith at all. They believe that God is an invention from men and forget to think for themselves and ask themselves the right questions about life before denying. Faith in God is my guidance and I hope that more and more people will see the light. Maybe I'm right when I say that we're fighting for God's cause. God bless you.
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TS I've just read your post in a rush, because I have so little time, but I must tell you I see so much sense in what you say. I agree with your logic of the facts.
With all the evidence we have we should not doubt Mike is alive.
I know he is alive and I'm so nervous about it...excited and happy. I think of him so often that I can actually feel his presence, in a strange way I feel him very close to us, like we are somehow connected.
But though I know in my heart he's alive, I still wish to see him back as soon as possible, for everybody to see him and learn the truth and learn the most incredible lesson.
I can't hold my tears, I've never experienced so much excitement, I know we shall see him again some day soon, I know our Michael is WITH US.
We love you so much Michael. I know you read this forum too, maybe not very much of it, but at least in part, so if you happen by any chance to read this you must know we are here to support you, to be by your side all the time, because we know you are a great person who deserves the best.
I pray to God to be on your side all the way. Stay strong and safe Michael.
We are here for you.
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....and.....if...
TS= Tom Sneddon
OMG!! :shock: :lol:
I hope you are not serious........ :roll: :roll:
I was just thinking TS = Third Son (Jackson Family) Jermaine :idea:
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Nor do I understand why the connection with Elvis, as had their lives and careers completely different, not only because some people believe that Elvis is alive, but this has been happening for 30 years, the result is always the same as we already know. :| I have a feeling we're losing focus to the motivations of Mike! This particular point of TIAI left me a little frustrated, I confess! :cry:
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I disagree. If there was anyone who could totally relate to MJ it would be Elvis. They were both iconic stars who would have many experiences in common. And from TS's post it appears they share way more than just rivetting talent, both have a deep spirituality . When you think about stars on the global level that they experienced, there are few others that come to mind. The Beatles perhaps, but as the boys had each other in the group dynamic it doesn't seem the same.
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Nor do I understand why the connection with Elvis, as had their lives and careers completely different, not only because some people believe that Elvis is alive, but this has been happening for 30 years, the result is always the same as we already know. :| I have a feeling we're losing focus to the motivations of Mike! This particular point of TIAI left me a little frustrated, I confess! :cry:
tekamjforever, the connection with Michael is explained in Ts' update, if you believe in the hoax and that Michael prepared it since years now it's all there for you to see. Michael inspired himself from Elvis' "death" and gave us clues regarding this point (TMZ articles for example with Lisa Marie Prestley). If you have faith in TIAI the redirects also gave us clues. That's why we're talking about Elvis, it is important for Michael. Of course the personnalities and characters of both have nothing to see here and differences in their "deaths" have also been pointed out such as the fact that Elvis never planned to come back and never gave clues and hints like Michael is doing. In a certain way it emphasizes the fact that Michael is doing this for a different purpose (not to stay away from the spotlight) and that a come back is planned, soon (?). Michael always wants to do the never done before. God bless you.
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Hi Galina,
Regarding Elvis' "death" it's important because the similarities are numerous, Michael inspired himself from what Elvis made, this only is enough to be mentionned I think.
Plus the fact that Elvis is still alive and if the information hit the news it can lead people (Elvis' fans for example) to believe that Michael can have perfectly made the same thing and bring them on the subjects of NWO.
Now Elvis is not going to "come back" and as TS said:
"Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
Sometimes I find myself very confused thinking about the logistics for the hoax Mike, since the people who surrounded him in recent times in your life are considered dangerous, leeches and opportunists: (TT, Dileo, JB, ...). So I wonder how Mike would abstain from such persons to practice fraud? I think we should explore these issues are real. Even today I can not absorb the coincidence of the deaths of people who in one way or another, were connected to Mike, and simply no one mentions it or analyze their results would be to understand where or not the fact that we are seeking. :? :?: :? What do you think
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Hi Galina,
Regarding Elvis' "death" it's important because the similarities are numerous, Michael inspired himself from what Elvis made, this only is enough to be mentionned I think.
Plus the fact that Elvis is still alive and if the information hit the news it can lead people (Elvis' fans for example) to believe that Michael can have perfectly made the same thing and bring them on the subjects of NWO.
Now Elvis is not going to "come back" and as TS said:
"Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
Sometimes I find myself very confused thinking about the logistics for the hoax Mike, since the people who surrounded him in recent times in your life are considered dangerous, leeches and opportunists: (TT, Dileo, JB, ...). So I wonder how Mike would abstain from such persons to practice fraud? I think we should explore these issues are real. Even today I can not absorb the coincidence of the deaths of people who in one way or another, were connected to Mike, and simply no one mentions it or analyze their results would be to understand where or not the fact that we are seeking. :? :?: :? What do you think
I know what you feel I also ask myself about who are the good people and who are the bad ones, why are they still here ? But one thing that I know for sure is that it can't be a murder or the family would be in on it and I hardly believe it, in reality I don't believe it at all.
For these things I have no specific answers these people are perhaps being tested for some reason. Maybe that Michael want to know the true colors of people surrounding him ? I think you should re-read the updates dealing with the murder theory, TS explains very well how it can't be a possibility (if this is what you're talking about of course) viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064)
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Once again TS...absolutely brilliant! I got the feeling, in this last update, that we're in the home stretch...at least for this phase of the hoax. Thank you SO much for guiding us along the way and helping us to see the 'bigger picture'. You make me smile everytime I read your words...
To all believers...I think we're past the point of 'convincing' anyone. If, at this point, they still need convincing....with all the inconsistencies, lies, halftruths, etc...and especially if they have read TS's posts and still don't believe...then nothing will convince them other than MJ himself (and even then something tells me they'll want proof).
Someone in another thread (sorry can't remember who)...wondered if we are, perhaps, in some way, the 'chosen ones'. I don't know if we are or even what it fully means if we are. But I don't believe in coincidences (I never really did and now I definitely don't)...and I don't think that we all just happened to come across this site and remain here for an entire year believing in the hoax...just due to coincidence and/or a fluke. I firmly believe that we are exactly where we are supposed to be right this second...and that the past year has been a learning process. TS mentioned 'testing us' and if you think about it, ever since he began posting...it's been like a crash course! Much like a teacher, he guided us along the way...led us in the right direction....and then it was up to us to find the answers. I must say that this has been the toughest course I have ever taken because in order to understand the message...I had to forget everything I have ever known. I have read the posts on this forum since the beginning and, as a teacher myself, I would give you guys all an A for your dedication, your inquisitveness, your research skills, and most of all for your L.O.V.E. for MJ.
To Michael....the mere thought that you might be reading this sends my heart fluttering 2000 watts :oops: I have loved, respected, and admired you for as long as I can remember and I didn't think I could love you any more than I already did...but I was wrong. I have needed you in the past...your music mended my heart as an abused young girl....your dance was my only escape from life....and your soul has given me the courage to rise each day and care for my disabled daughter. YOU made me believe that there was still good in the world...that there was still hope. Now...the world needs you....this really is it (I'm starting to see that more and more)...this is our last chance to get it right. Your Army of L.O.V.E. is assembled but every army needs a Commander in Chief. We may not have figured out all the complexities of the hoax (and please cut us some slack..you've been planning this for years!! lol)...but that's ok because soldiers don't need to know everything about the upcoming battle...they just need to firmly believe in the mission, have the desire and dedication to see it through and have a Commander in Chief to lead them in the right direction. We need you to lead us! I can't speak for everyone here, but I can say that I WILL BE THERE, wherever there is and whatever 'there' entails. It will be the least I could do to thank you for all you've done for me....without even knowing it.
With L.O.V.E. always.
Dear friend, your feelings and letter to Michael absolutely mirrored my feelings exactly. I cried as i read your words. i am so ready to have my life back. I hope this all ends soon with a very happy ending.
sincerely, a very adoring fan of MJ in Oklahoma
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POSTED ON: Jun 17, 2010 3:16 am
6+1+7+2+0+1+0+3+1+6 = 27 = 2+7 = 9
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I disagree. If there was anyone who could totally relate to MJ it would be Elvis. They were both iconic stars who would have many experiences in common. And from TS's post it appears they share way more than just rivetting talent, both have a deep spirituality . When you think about stars on the global level that they experienced, there are few others that come to mind. The Beatles perhaps, but as the boys had each other in the group dynamic it doesn't seem the same.
Elvis did not have a global reach, like Mike. He was restricted only to his country, and he never visited any other country or continent. Elvis was measured in relation to the problems we face, politically or otherwise. What about your spirituality, Elvis never had any impact of emotion or interaction with the masses in the world, unlike MJ, through his music and his social involvement, etc.!
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No, but I am in Australia and have been aware of all his music, films, and seen all his videos of concerts ect. So that is a global star. Elvis is hugh everywhere. Not just the states. We have so many impersonators over here. We have a town that holds a convention for impersonators of Elvis every year that attracts thousands and thousands. Where I live the council elections had an Elvis impersonator, Dean Vegas running for office. He was good too[ I mean as a performer] not sure about his political skills. Every one in this country knows Elvis and something about his life.
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I think that the comparison between Michael and Elvis should only include their "deaths" if we want Elvis' fans to come here and feel "comfortable", and not try to say who is the best as this is not the message Michael is relaying. Peace to all. :)
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"To Michael....the mere thought that you might be reading this sends my heart fluttering 2000 watts :oops: I have loved, respected, and admired you for as long as I can remember and I didn't think I could love you any more than I already did...but I was wrong. I have needed you in the past...your music mended my heart as an abused young girl....your dance was my only escape from life....and your soul has given me the courage to rise each day and care for my disabled daughter. YOU made me believe that there was still good in the world...that there was still hope. Now...the world needs you....this really is it (I'm starting to see that more and more)...this is our last chance to get it right. Your Army of L.O.V.E. is assembled but every army needs a Commander [/color]in Chief. We may not have figured out all the complexities of the hoax (and please cut us some slack..you've been planning this for years!! lol)...but that's ok because soldiers don't need to know everything about the upcoming battle...they just need to firmly believe in the mission, have the desire and dedication to see it through and have a Commander in Chief to lead them in the right direction. We need you to lead us! I can't speak for everyone here, but I can say that I WILL BE THERE, wherever there is and whatever 'there' entails. It will be the least I could do to thank you for all you've done for me....without even knowing it."
Very nice words. I'd like to join. I hope Michael knows about us.
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do any of you numbers people have anything for 8-16-2010 ?
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No, but I am in Australia and have been aware of all his music, films, and seen all his videos of concerts ect. So that is a global star. Elvis is hugh everywhere. Not just the states. We have so many impersonators over here. We have a town that holds a convention for impersonators of Elvis every year that attracts thousands and thousands. Where I live the council elections had an Elvis impersonator, Dean Vegas running for office. He was good too[ I mean as a performer] not sure about his political skills. Every one in this country knows Elvis and something about his life.
I agree, Elvis was known and loved all over the world. We have many impersonators here as well.
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I have to say I too wondered about all the Elvis comparisons... often when I wonder I go back to previous TS posts to help. He tells a lot and sometimes will even allude to upcoming things.
He said in a previous update that the Elvis comparisons was not only to compare fake death to fake death so we could see similarities and be further convicted that MJ is not dead, but also for a contrast to show that where MJ has so many clues showing he WILL return, Elvis did not.
It has also been eye opening to me that there is PROOF, hard scientific proof, that Elvis is alive and no one seems to know or care because it's not in the mainstream media (which goes to show who is controlling what we think of!).
Lastly, I gotta get my guess in for what TS stands for... with all those Elvis redirects, especially to Linda Hood Sigmon's site, I found it interesting that Linda and her husband had been such great friends to Elvis. You know, people you could trust... loyal... friends I wish MJ could have. :-)
Oh by the way... Linda's husbands name is Tom Sigmon. :lol:
Love you guys!
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No, but I am in Australia and have been aware of all his music, films, and seen all his videos of concerts ect. So that is a global star. Elvis is hugh everywhere. Not just the states. We have so many impersonators over here. We have a town that holds a convention for impersonators of Elvis every year that attracts thousands and thousands. Where I live the council elections had an Elvis impersonator, Dean Vegas running for office. He was good too[ I mean as a performer] not sure about his political skills. Every one in this country knows Elvis and something about his life.
Yes, he is or was a star known for his music, dance and romantic movies, like many others, and that's all. I think I need not repeat here the results and impact of MJ in the world, unlike all others, I dare say!
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Concerning MJ including Elvis, I think the return of Michael to public view would bring enormous ridicule from non-MJ people. They'll say he lied, you can't trust him, money gained thru deception, how could he cause so much pain to his fans, on and on. Now with Elvis included in this having also hoaxed his death, whether or not he makes a public come-back, but is prooved irrefutably in court and media-backed that he's alive and well; Elvis is the poster-boy celebrity loved the world over especially by the white race. Coupled together the world can't say one darn thing against Michael when he does his beautiful thing, Ta Da!!! BAM! Cause then you have to say all that same dirt about Elvis too. He did it for money, he hurt his fans deeply, he lied to everyone. It will effectively shut the world's mouth. Just my thoughts on it. I think otherwise Michael would quietly thank Elvis for the excellent tips on faking your death, send a cheque to the Elvis estate, and that's it. He needs Elvis' hoax for his, in softening the blow. Brilliant!! And whenever Michael does something very spectacular, many others benefit financially as well, spin offs.
On TS, I think the possibilities of what the initials stand for are probably in the thousands, and he knows it. But when he reveals his real name (sure hope so) eventually, we will all go, aw, we should have known it. At the end of Liberian Girl, "Aw Mike!!" :lol: :lol:
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I also don't understand why we are talking about Elvis. Does it matter where Michael took an idea to fake death, from Elvis or somewhere else. And I think they are absolutely different people, with different ideas, goals and approaches to life.
Nor do I understand why the connection with Elvis, as had their lives and careers completely different, not only because some people believe that Elvis is alive, but this has been happening for 30 years, the result is always the same as we already know. :| I have a feeling we're losing focus to the motivations of Mike! This particular point of TIAI left me a little frustrated, I confess! :cry:
tekamjforever, the connection with Michael is explained in Ts' update, if you believe in the hoax and that Michael prepared it since years now it's all there for you to see. Michael inspired himself from Elvis' "death" and gave us clues regarding this point (TMZ articles for example with Lisa Marie Prestley). If you have faith in TIAI the redirects also gave us clues. That's why we're talking about Elvis, it is important for Michael. Of course the personnalities and characters of both have nothing to see here and differences in their "deaths" have also been pointed out such as the fact that Elvis never planned to come back and never gave clues and hints like Michael is doing. In a certain way it emphasizes the fact that Michael is doing this for a different purpose (not to stay away from the spotlight) and that a come back is planned, soon (?). Michael always wants to do the never done before. God bless you.
Sarahli, Sarahli, If the point is really that, then just ok.
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do any of you numbers people have anything for 8-16-2010 ?
8+16+2010 = 2034 = 9;
8+1+6+2+1 = 18 = 9;
8+16+2+1 = 27 = 9;
8+16+20+10 = 54 = 9;
But I think the first and second calculation is consistant for all dates.
I couldn't come up with one, where the cross total is not similar.
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As for "TS" letters. I found an interesting fact. Michael named so one of his songs. Here is the link
http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/ ... &lotnum=51 (http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=UK000309&lotnum=51)
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As for "TS" letters. I found an interesting fact. Michael named so one of his songs. Here is the link
http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/ ... &lotnum=51 (http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=UK000309&lotnum=51)
That song talks about Tom Sneddon
"D.S." is an album track by Michael Jackson from his 1995 double disc record HIStory. It is track six on the second disc, one of the three songs from that disc whose lyrics are printed in the album booklet, and is four minutes and forty-nine seconds in length. The song is often cited as a derogatory reference to Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon, whose name is similar to the subject of the song, Dom Sheldon. When Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse in 1993, the investigation was controlled by Sneddon, who also ordered that Jackson be strip searched. The criminal investigation was subsequently closed due to lack of evidence and Jackson was not charged with a crime. Jackson was angered by the allegations, his perception of being mistreated by the police and media, and the negative effect on his health.
Shortly afterwards, he began work on HIStory. The track "D.S." is written, composed and produced by Jackson and includes a guitar solo by Slash. It is a rock song that conveys themes such as bitterness, isolation and paranoia much like the rest of the album. There was no major critical analysis of the song from mainstream reviews when HIStory was issued, but the song's connection to Tom Sneddon was widely reported in the media. Jackson was subsequently involved in projects that made coded references to Sneddon and the 1993 investigation.
Jackson was the subject of another child sexual abuse allegation in 2003, with the investigation and 2005 trial prosecution again led by Sneddon. These repeated investigations and derogatory comments made against Jackson have led to allegations that Sneddon had, or appeared to have, a "vendetta" against the singer. Fans of the entertainer sang "D.S." outside the court house of Jackson's 2005 trial every day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.S._(song (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.S._(song))
[youtube:22zsjg2u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-lYy0QZfE[/youtube:22zsjg2u]
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As for "TS" letters. I found an interesting fact. Michael named so one of his songs. Here is the link
http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/ ... &lotnum=51 (http://www.phillipsdepury.com/auctions/lot-detail.aspx?sn=UK000309&lotnum=51)
Yes, but that's about Tom Sneddon. He later changed that to D.S. (Dom Sneldon or something like that).
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do any of you numbers people have anything for 8-16-2010 ?
8+16+2010 = 2034 = 9;
8+1+6+2+1 = 18 = 9;
8+16+2+1 = 27 = 9;
8+16+20+10 = 54 = 9;
But I think the first and second calculation is consistant for all dates.
I couldn't come up with one, where the cross total is not similar.
:?:
anyone know of significant happenings for sept. 9th 1999
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....and.....if...
TS= Tom Sneddon
OMG!! :shock: :lol:
I hope you are not serious........ :roll: :roll:
I was just thinking TS = Third Son (Jackson Family) Jermaine :idea:
OMG, I also had this thought based on a title in one of TMZ's articles. The title mentioned "Big Brother 3"...
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/big-broth ... ni-casper/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/big-brother-3-star-arrested-for-double-homicide-tonya-paoni-casper/)
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No, but I am in Australia and have been aware of all his music, films, and seen all his videos of concerts ect. So that is a global star. Elvis is hugh everywhere. Not just the states. We have so many impersonators over here. We have a town that holds a convention for impersonators of Elvis every year that attracts thousands and thousands. Where I live the council elections had an Elvis impersonator, Dean Vegas running for office. He was good too[ I mean as a performer] not sure about his political skills. Every one in this country knows Elvis and something about his life.
I agree, Elvis was known and loved all over the world. We have many impersonators here as well.
Firstly I swear this is my last comment here about it. But I think some here have not understood what I meant. :oops: Yes, Elvis may be known and admired in the world (here in my country there are also followers), but not with the intensity and impact and idolatry that MJ, as he was involved in other areas, humanitarian / social. MJ knew personally the reality of many people on all continents. Elvis, in turn, did not know. MJ gave us through his songs and actions, many messages of love, hope, unity among people around the world, but also of attention and awareness of the good future of our planet. Elvis, in turn, no. Finally, let me say that I also like the musical work of Elvis. But I love the musical work, social and, above all, the person who is MJ! Much LOVE! ;)
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No, but I am in Australia and have been aware of all his music, films, and seen all his videos of concerts ect. So that is a global star. Elvis is hugh everywhere. Not just the states. We have so many impersonators over here. We have a town that holds a convention for impersonators of Elvis every year that attracts thousands and thousands. Where I live the council elections had an Elvis impersonator, Dean Vegas running for office. He was good too[ I mean as a performer] not sure about his political skills. Every one in this country knows Elvis and something about his life.
I agree, Elvis was known and loved all over the world. We have many impersonators here as well.
Firstly I swear this is my last comment here about it. But I think some here have not understood what I meant. :oops: Yes, Elvis may be known and admired in the world (here in my country there are also followers), but not with the intensity and impact and idolatry that MJ, as he was involved in other areas, humanitarian / social. MJ knew personally the reality of many people on all continents. Elvis, in turn, did not know. MJ gave us through his songs and actions, many messages of love, hope, unity among people around the world, but also of attention and awareness of the good future of our planet. Elvis, in turn, no. Finally, let me say that I also like the musical work of Elvis. But I love the musical work, social and, above all, the person who is MJ! Much LOVE! ;)
Just to tell you that I understood your point very well, Elvis and Michael are different characters. I am not a fan of Elvis I just see the parallel here with Michael including both similarities and differences.
Off topic: TS for me means Truth Seeker this was my first feeling but as someone stated the possibilities are wide... ;)
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it is the difference between talent and giftedness
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TS= Tom Sneddon
OMG!! :shock: :lol:
I hope you are not serious........ :roll: :roll:
I was just thinking TS = Third Son (Jackson Family) Jermaine :idea:
OMG, I also had this thought based on a title in one of TMZ's articles. The title mentioned "Big Brother 3"...
http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/big-broth ... ni-casper/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/16/big-brother-3-star-arrested-for-double-homicide-tonya-paoni-casper/)
didn't Jermaine also wear a STUDY shirt somewhere? was it on The Jacksons Family Dynasty?
(edit: i can't find a pic or a thread on it.. now i'm thinking maybe i just imagined it. :( )
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I've certainly not had my fill when it comes to Elvis and his wonderful music. Can't get enough of his "My Way" rendition. :D
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Off topic: TS for me means Truth Seeker this was my first feeling but as someone stated the possibilities are wide... ;)
TS = THIS SUMMER! 8-)
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Ok, I guess we should expect Michael's and Elvis' comeback together :D .
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Off topic: TS for me means Truth Seeker this was my first feeling but as someone stated the possibilities are wide... ;)
TS = THIS SUMMER! 8-)
I'd love to believe that one!
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I didn't know what TS was talking about when update #6 was posted... STUDY website.. I haven't been following the "hoax" as long as everyone else. I am late to the party. I do agree with the below statement of being tested on whether or not "the people" could just analyze, accept or reject the info, redirects, being given by TS based on the info and evidence being presented and not because of who they thought he was or is... The cold hard facts that TS presented is what should be scrutinized and investigated.
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Recopied from TS statement on the test... lol
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
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MY OPINION;
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So in saying all that and my belief in that theory, lol... tada for some reason I had a nagging gut feeling to look more closely at the last update from TS to read more responses from the "hoaxers" and a person by the name of Adi posted something that caught my eye. I got a name from her post and what the hoopla was about for the TS website. So I did a search and came upon the website of Tim Simkin, (that reminds me of the Sims) a virtual world character, like Cassandra.. anyways I read one of the newsletters and the test isn't what TS eluded to, I mean it is but it isn't...double meanings here, yea the peeps are being tested to see if they can INVESTIGATE beyond surface level anything and everything but the real TEST, is posted below. Copied from the understanding test newsletter..
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From the newsletter: off the S.T.U.D.Y. website
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The understanding test (“ready always to give an answer ”) is really the bottom line test, as to whether or
not you understand the truth on a subject—because if you can’t answer the questions on a specific subject, then
that is the strongest possible evidence that you don’t understand it clearly.
Certainly there will be other objections, to the “give an answer ” Response-Able system, which have not
been addressed in this newsletter. And further objections will be addressed, as needed, in the Response-Able
system itself. But beware of (and do not support) those who make excuses to avoid the understanding test; it may
appear that they are doing a good work, and indeed they may actually be doing some good—but they are not
doing as much good as others, who are willing to have their teachings put to the test.
And again, as stated last time: the S.T.U.D.Y. ministry is absolutely dedicated to passing either the
understanding test, or else the humility test; there will be no excuses pleaded (by S.T.U.D.Y.) for not answering
the questions—there will either be answers, or else a change of teaching and practice. What about you?
The topic planned for next time, once again, is one of the most amazing and important secrets in the entire
Bible—and yet, at the time of this writing, it is known to only a handful of people in the entire world! Until then:
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Ultimately tho, for me and my understanding the Real Test comes from God himself, and whether we pass or not.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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:ugeek:
This is most likely going to offend ALOT of people, sorry in advance... but, what you people NEED to start Understanding and realizing is very SIMPLE.... Think outside of the box... whether or not a website is similiar in context to what TS actually says or is saying, ie: TS initials or the fact that the S.T.U.D.Y. website looks shady or setup or any other number of reasons many have not taken a DEEPER look into the website, newsletters, or probably haven't REALLY clicked on the links provided in the TS postings is the VERY LESSON and TEST being given...
BOTTOM LINE STUDY... EVERYTHING.
I would have to AGREE with TS, being that I have sat back now for the last couple of weeks, reading, observing and studying, and based on my observations and comments (the sheeples) are doing just that.. being LEAD and failing the TEST. Based on the comments I read, simple one liners...
Oh thank you SO much TS for all your hard work... lol
Well, that to me says you haven't even looked further into the links? Have you dug into the info being provided from TS or are you just telling TS what he wants to hear? Are you digging deeper? Are you INVESTIGATING for REAL? My opinion is based on studying human behavior over the last couple of weeks and I will say that I am left with the impression that many are just superficial skimming and making superficial comments in hopes that MJ or TS will think that is "good enough" because deep down inside they just want MJ to "hurry up and come back" lol
Sorry peeps aint gonna happen until everyone really digs and investigates and studies.. whether you agree with what TS says or not, YOU should absolutely dig into the links and yes it is crazy stuff to research and it is overwhelming and yes it is mind boggling and gets very confusing the way TS does his thang, with the little trickery, switcheroonie...
click this link, go here, and compare this update with this post and this date and this tweet and this comment... lol
Rabbit Hole for real.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
YOU HAVE TO DIG YOUR WAY OUT OF THE RABBIT HOLE, BUT FIRST YOU GOT TO GO IN THE RABBIT HOLE....
I did go and look at the S.T.U.D.Y. website and off of a newsletter I found the UNDERSTANDING TEST statement... you may be surprised what you will find as truth even if it wasn't REALLY meant to be found...
:ugeek:
DISCLAIMER:
This was my opinion ONLY and NOT directed at any individual on a personal basis.
PEACE
:ugeek:
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Ok, I guess we should expect Michael's and Elvis' comeback together :D .
Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public).
;)
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What if this is just what TS said it is;
TS; TeSt? Since before, -and I'm not saying it's the same person- you were working with STUDY. They mention "crash/introductory course" and now we're all being TeSted out of it.
*shrug* I'm going minimalist here. It's just a thought, I'm not sure if it's already been mentioned...
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imo what TS means is not important ...This guessing game will not solve anything :)
i'm just trying to change the focus ...
TS - TIAISTUDY done :lol:
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imo what TS means is not important ...This guessing game will not solve anything :)
i'm just trying to change the focus ...
TS - TIAISTUDY done :lol:
What do you mean?
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imo what TS means is not important ...This guessing game will not solve anything :)
i'm just trying to change the focus ...
TS - TIAISTUDY done :lol:
I agree on your comment :lol:
These days are so unbelievably thrilling with so many evidence-loaded stories and global awareness stuff, that I only am sort of wondering which step will be the next one. I just cannot check on every detail because of lack of time, but it all feels huge and I really really hope that it will be;
Michael appearing to trigger an army of L.O.V.E. :P :P
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:over-react-smiley:
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Have you seen the Elvis impersonater Shawn Klush???
[youtube:yv25uelr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R_laLgKpls&feature=related[/youtube:yv25uelr]
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I think the main message of update #6 (for believers) is in these words of TS: "...all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media!..." And the rest details, as I think, are first of all for non-believers. I spoke to my friends who aren't MJ fans about hoax and NWO. Some of them are ready to believe that Michael faked his death but unfortunately they are not ready to think that people can do anything against NWO or just change something for better.
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I really would like to change the focus back to this part of the message:
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
What does this mean? I've been battling people for years and have been dismissed or laughed (mostly) as a conspiracy nut. Add to this my obsession with the death hoax and my friends and I'm lucky they haven't moved to commit me! Right now millions of gallons of oil are spewing into the Gulf, the Middle East is heating up, there are earthquakes and killer storms seemingly everywhere. No one has a satisfying explanation. We are told the economy is improving and BP is 'making progress.' We are clearly being lied to. Is this the battle MJ is talking about? Do we wait until he returns?
I'm sorry to say this, but I could care less who TS is or what the numbers mean or how Elvis relates to this all, except as evidence to convince others that THIS IS IT! I don't need any more clues to convince me he is alive. As the Army of LOVE we are tasked with a greater mission. We HAD 4 years, now we have little more than 2. You can feel it. People are feeling hopeless and desperate. It's a struggle for survival, with little room for love and joy. How do we bring LOVE back into the world. How can people regain HOPE for their children's future?
When MJ comes back with his 'message' will we really be there? I personally have NO IDEA what the return will look like so it's difficult to prepare. I like to think that I'll stay strong, but I can't know that until it happens. What WILL help, and what has helped all along, is the support of this site and everyone else involved in the hoax.
I would love to hear ideas from others on how we might prepare ourselves for the beginning of this particular nightmare. Will it be like Legion? How far are we willing to go for LOVE?
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I think the main message of update #6 (for believers) is in these words of TS: "...all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media!..." And the rest details, as I think, are first of all for non-believers. I spoke to my friends who aren't MJ fans about hoax and NWO. Some of them are ready to believe that Michael faked his death but unfortunately they are not ready to think that people can do anything against NWO or just change something for better.
Maybe we can try making it a trending topic on Twitter?? like #ElvisandMJdotcom ??????
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Dear gwynned, I think the quote TS reminded us pointed out to the rest of the Threatened lyrics as well:
[ROD SERLING INTRO]
Tonight’s story is somewhat unique and calls for a different kind of introduction
A monster had arrived in the village
The major ingredient of any recipe for fear is the unknown
And this person or thing is soon to be met
He knows every thought, he can feel every emotion
Oh yes, I did forget something didn’t I? I forgot to introduce you to the monster.
You’re fearing me, ‘cause you know I’m a beast
Watching you when you sleep, when you’re in bed
I’m underneath
You’re trapped in halls, and my face is the walls
I’m the floor when you fall, and when you scream it’s ‘cause of me
I’m the living dead, the dark thoughts in your head
I heard just what you said
That’s why you’ve got to be threatened by me
[CHORUS]
You should be watching me, you should feel threatened
Why you sleep, why you creep, you should be threatened
Every time your lady speaks she speaks to me, threatened
Half of me you’ll never be, so you should feel threatened by me
You think you’re by yourself, but it’s my touch you felt
I’m not a ghost from Hell, but I’ve got a spell on you
Your worst nightmare, it's me, I'm everywhere
In one blink I’ll disappear, and then I’ll come back to haunt you
I’m telling you, when you lie under a tomb
I’m the one watching you
That’s why you got to be threatened by me
[CHORUS]
[ROD SERLING VERSE]
The unknown monster is about to embark
From a far corner, out of the dark
A nightmare, that’s the case
Never Neverland, that’s the place
This particular monster can read minds
Be in two places at the same time
This is judgement night, execution, slaughter
The devil, ghosts, this monster is torture
You can be sure of one thing, that’s fate
A human presence that you feel is strange
A monster that you can see disappear
A monster, the worst thing to fear.
[CHORUS x 3]
[ROD SERLING OUTRO]
What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.
It isn’t. It’s the beginning.
Michael calls himslef "the nightmare", he is the "monster" (threat to NWO) who disappears "in one blink" (fake death), then COMES BACK to haunt (and hunt) from Never Neverland (metaphor for eternal childhood, immortality, and escapism - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland).
The issue of the RETURN is indeed intriguing, since we all know Michael is a genius and everything he does is thoroughly planned and with deep implications and symbolism. If I should guess on his comeback method, there are two possible means I see at the moment.
First is a "V" type of apparition, a video recording broadcasted not only on TV (because we know very well how controlled the media is) but especially on the Internet and on this site in particular, with Michael explaining his reasons, his goals and exposing the NWO through a mind-opening speech.
The second would be a religion-inspired style, by somehow opening his tomb (for futher investigations in the trial or whatever reasons the Jacksons would come up with) and finding he is not there. Remember that Michael used to say that Jesus inspires him...
Anyway, I am just guessing here, I'm sure Michael will shock the world with his return and our part in this is to be ready to support him and stand by him in the upcoming battle, because he cannot do this by himself. We WILL BE THERE!
To his question from "Planet Earth": "DO YOU CARE, HAVE YOU A PART IN THE DEEPEST EMOTIONS OF MY OWN HEART?", my answer is definitely YES!
P.S.: BeTheChange, my heart goes out to you and to all the painS you had to go through. Your post filled my heart with LOVE and empathy. Remember, the best is yet to come, so keep the faith!
LOVE,
Andy
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If he indeed makes it like Jesus, they will inspect the tomb and find it empty, but then he will simply "appear" as Jesus did in a locked room with everyone there, and they thought it was a ghost, and other times also, (read all of Luke 24). Then if referring to a come-back Jesus is returning by coming in the clouds (UFO?) and "every eye will see Him." (Acts 1:9-11) and (Revelation 1:7) It is said it will be exactly as the disciples saw Him taken into heaven into a "cloud" (I think UFO). I'm thinking the MJair blimp might hold a clue, why else is it there? Could there be a gigantic hologram broadcast simultaneously in many areas of the globe? I know I'm thinking big, but I know Michael doesn't think small. :mrgreen: I always wondered about that passage of Scripture where every eye could see Him, because of the curvature of the earth it's impossible, there would have to be many appearances of the same Person.
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If he indeed makes it like Jesus, they will inspect the tomb and find it empty, but then he will simply "appear" as Jesus did in a locked room with everyone there, and they thought it was a ghost, and other times also, (read all of Luke 24). Then if referring to a come-back Jesus is returning by coming in the clouds (UFO?) and "every eye will see Him." (Acts 1:9-11) and (Revelation 1:7) It is said it will be exactly as the disciples saw Him taken into heaven into a "cloud" (I think UFO). I'm thinking the MJair blimp might hold a clue, why else is it there? Could there be a gigantic hologram broadcast simultaneously in many areas of the globe? I know I'm thinking big, but I know Michael doesn't think small. :mrgreen: I always wondered about that passage of Scripture where every eye could see Him, because of the curvature of the earth it's impossible, there would have to be many appearances of the same Person.
This reminds me of the Superbowl performance when two Michaels appeared before the real one, perhaps doubles will appear simultaneously around the world! :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnvSebbIVAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnvSebbIVAM)
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Hello, i dunno if anyone else tryed:
Ts numers
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
i arrive to theses,
2+7-2=7
1+9-2+3=5
2+7-3=6
4+7=11
Put on google earth 7.5.6.11 =
Abby James Rd, Prairieville, LA 70769, USA-
they can let me go everywhere, but send me near LA.
incredible coincidence? i'm mad?
Sorry for my poor english . kiss from italy :oops:
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Hello, i dunno if anyone else tryed:
Ts numers
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
i arrive to theses,
2+7-2=7
1+9-2+3=5
2+7-3=6
4+7=11
Put on google earth 7.5.6.11 =
Abby James Rd, Prairieville, LA 70769, USA-
they can let me go everywhere, but send me near LA.
incredible coincidence? i'm mad?
Sorry for my poor english . kiss from italy :oops:
Yup:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
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I think the main message of update #6 (for believers) is in these words of TS: "...all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media!..." And the rest details, as I think, are first of all for non-believers. I spoke to my friends who aren't MJ fans about hoax and NWO. Some of them are ready to believe that Michael faked his death but unfortunately they are not ready to think that people can do anything against NWO or just change something for better.
Maybe we can try making it a trending topic on Twitter?? like #ElvisandMJdotcom ??????
GOOOD IDEA!!!!! ON JUNE 25..?
i think believers are going to tweet ''mjisalive''(i won't); at this moment imo to make #ElvisandMJdotcom a TT is more important...
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TS, thank you so much for all of your ingenious posts!
TS PLS READ!!!
TS, we already know how the Jacksons wrote about "Revealed" part (“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”) and just before they made that tweet, you had made a post in which TIAI revealed! We've already shown that as a clue to non-believers BUT that seems JUST like a coincidence to non-believers! (I'm not talking about us, not about the believers, not about myself. Because this is not about us no more. We need to spread the message to non-believers asap!) Non-believers think that what the Jacksons tweeted was about Michael was murdered by AEG or Sony but in the media they don't spell about a murder plan about AEG and Sony. They think that that's the reason why they wrote the media lies part. And the truth revealed to them by the family members when they said Michael was murdered. This is what THEY think when we show this as a proof that TIAI is related to Michael. Trust me, I've tried this one many times. That was the reason why I wrote you to make something more concrete and visible and understandable by EVERYONE about the Jacksons. And when Restlessoul asked you to tell Jacksons to use "This is also it" in a tweet, that sounded such a great idea to me. And it still is a great idea because the part what Jacksons tweeted about you, doesn't convince non-believers."Just a word they used in common doesn't mean that they're related" a non-believer wrote me once. If we're trying to spread the message, this is something very urgent that has to be done. For us, all of the things you have written is so AMAZING, breath taking. They explain WHY Michael did it, HOW he did it so so well. AND I'M PERSONALLY ONE OF YOUR BEST SUPPORTERS but I want to spread the message to everyone FASTER. We don't have so much time. And if non-believers find your posts very long to read, and closed their ears to what we say, then we should have a very clear-open proof to show them that you're related with the Jacksons and that can be something that comes from the Jacksons only. It must be very open and clear for them to see and to understand because we know how in a denial they're. So we need your help once again! Pls think about it and tell it to Michael. I'm not asking from you to do something for me or for the believers here but for us TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE to non-believers!
TS wrote:
"maybe we can even get the attention of the media!"
So Michael wants us to go to the media about the hoax?!
In Section 6-12: Daniel 10:21 and Michael, TS list these numbers at the bottom:
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
TIME DOTS and all these numbers. These numbers can give us the exact date of the BAM and I'll work on it.
Such an amazing post once more TS. Thank you so so much. God bless.
P.L., I really felt you on this- I feel and have felt that urgency about spreading the message, but it's so difficult for people to open their minds! TS has given us SO much, I'm always desperate for non-beLIEvers to "get it", but they seem to take joy out of flocking around hoaxers like angry birds.. I think P.L. has a great idea here, but maybe you and the Jacksons are already working on it, huh?
I feel so incredibly honored and blessed to be here, supporting MJ.."Will You Be There" has never been easy for me to listen to, but now I can finally Be There for him.. All of us can. I have learned so much, I feel like I am forever changed for the better. God Bless you, MJ..
Agree with you guys 100%. If Michael has a message which seems like he has, and if he wants us to spread it to everyone, we should have something that comes directly from the Jacksons to show to non-believers. I don't know why this is so hard or complicated to do if TS is really connected with the family somehow. We've tried every single way. We told them about TS' posts when they told us that they couldn't read them because they're too long. We tried to explain the numerology part but they told us that numerology doesn't work for them, we showed them the videos of slip-ups that the Jackson family made and they found it coincidental. We asked them the question list that TS was given to us and they tried to find answers to them which satify them. So what else can we do? I don't have any other idea to spread the message! And this seems like the only way. If there's someone here with a better idea, I'd love to listen what they say but it seems like there's noone with a better idea.
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http://www.targetedindividuals.com/ (http://www.targetedindividuals.com/)
DISCLAIMER;
MY OPINION ONLY.. NOT DIRECTED AT ANYONE ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.
The above posted link is to a website that I had ran across one day, or more like God brought it into my pathway for a purpose...
I NOW definetly SEE "WHY", that I found that website, link above..
Over the last 4 months that I have been a member here on this forum, I am enjoying the interaction, learning and "hoax" and I thank MJ from the bottom of my Soul for the warning of the end times...adventure of a lifetime and sacrifice made by him for us.
http://www.targetedindividuals.com/gang-stalking/ (http://www.targetedindividuals.com/gang-stalking/)
But, what I have witnessed on more than one occasion is Gang Stalking, AND
http://www.targetedindividuals.com/mobbing/ (http://www.targetedindividuals.com/mobbing/)
Mobb Mentality towards TS, thisisalmostit twitter, and any other person who "the MOB" feels is fake or not MJ lovin enuff. LOL what ever that is I don't know..
But one person starts this idea on a thread "Oh such and such is a fake and then another person comes along and "Oh yea your right" and cosigns, and then another, and pretty soon you got a thread of MOB Mentality and Gang stalking towards a person who the majority of people claim they are "knowing" these peeps to be fake.
Why, just cause someone else said so?
Then on top of that I watch people go into this state of feeling entitlement for an answer from TS or thisisalmostit, or etc... I see stuff posted like "Did anyone ever figure out who TS or thisisalmostit is?" and I think to myself, Really who are these people who are DEMANDING to know who the account holder is? What gives the people the right to demand such a thing?
I could very easily say to any number of people here or on twitter that you all are Fakes to me because I don't know any of you personally..
what exactly defines a real or fake person?
I am stumped by that..lol
All I know is the info from the redirects TIAI, TS UPDATES, thisisalmostit twitter has been valuable to me in expanding my MIND and SPIRIT way more than I could have done on my own...
Thank you for that, whoever you are.. ;)
And really if anyone paid half as much attention to the crap being feed to you on purpose as a distraction, don't get me wrong some stuff is for a reason and needed but if you paid half as much attention to the details in the posts by TS or the Bible versus being tweeted, then do research on the info, do some WORK.
You would have your answers on Identity and what is REALLY happening here...
Wake UP...
Arc, 777, The King is Coming, and so is JUDGEMENT DAY..will you be ready?
Peace
:geek:
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I think the main message of update #6 (for believers) is in these words of TS: "...all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; (http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com;) whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media!..." And the rest details, as I think, are first of all for non-believers. I spoke to my friends who aren't MJ fans about hoax and NWO. Some of them are ready to believe that Michael faked his death but unfortunately they are not ready to think that people can do anything against NWO or just change something for better.
Maybe we can try making it a trending topic on Twitter?? like #ElvisandMJdotcom ??????
GOOOD IDEA!!!!! ON JUNE 25..?
i think believers are going to tweet ''mjisalive''(i won't); at this moment imo to make #ElvisandMJdotcom a TT is more important...
that'll be cool!:D wow we need the concerted effort of all believers to make it trend! what time?? start spreading the word, twitter-believers!! #ElvisandMJdotcom
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Good. :|
I just hope that others find it relatively easy to convince more people arond them because, whenever I try and talk to peopel about the whole hoax thing, My claimsa get rubbished...... :roll:
So I gave up trying to convince people around me...People dont wanna listen anyway... :roll:
By the way, I noticed the lower case "a" and "i" in Tiai....Usually all 4 letters are in upper case.....Is that a clue too? :?:
I've never posted before, because I like to just read and absorb all the information...which can be EXTREMELY overwhelming, but your comment about the "ai" being lower cased when they normally are upper cased really jumped out at me. One of the many things that "AI" stands for is American Idol.
They usually start auditioning in June and July for the upcoming season of American Idol, but no dates have been set for auditions and no one has been hired to replace Simon Cowell yet. (or at least no announcements have been made) I've also seen people posting that they heard that auditions aren't going to start until as late as September. I'm wondering if Michael Jackson is going to replace Simon Cowell as a judge on American Idol? It makes me think of the scene on This Is It where Travis Payne said we get all the big fish and put them in one setting (or something like that) and where they actually wrote the text quoting MJ saying "This is your time to shine." to Orianthi.
This is probably way out there, but I think MJ would be the perfect judge because he is so talented and is a musical genius. Plus, he would be helping people achieve their dreams. Anyway...just a thought.
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Hey everyone, I'm not new to the hoax or this site. I'm from the old mjhd and andromeda's site. I must say it's amazing to see how far everyone has come in terms of understanding Michaels message and what his message is. Even though there are a few people here and there who seem to miss the message completely lol, its a far cry from the far-fetched theories we all once believed.
I remember I was one of the first along with screamingindigital (if thats correct?), who started threads on the old mjhd about the Illuminati and mind control. Unfortunately, my posts kept getting deleted and people would freak out at the mention of Illuminati. So much so that eventually I believe I was blocked so I could not post any longer but I stayed around. I did try to say that I believed this was Michaels message even before TS mentioned it was, but for some reason people associated Illuminati with murder. So again it is nice to see people more open minded and understanding.
After mjhd I then began posting on Andromedas forum after MJHD was shutdown. After something happened to her site I stopped visiting hoax sites all together and just watched videos on YT. However, I stayed updated with Thisisalsoit.com and TS' posts on this forum. I would then ocassionally read the forum posts. As of a couple days ago I was no longer satisfied with lurking but wanted to interact and voice my opinion.
Thanks to Mo and Souza who allow free speech and the truth to be discussed openly here, and also for spreading Mj's message as best as you can. I must say I always thought TS was someone important ever since he went by the name S.T.U.D.Y. You seemed trust worthy and seemed to have information no one else had. Your posts are very informative and educational, great brain excercise. Thank-you TS for helping us all keep the faith and being a teacher of sorts to everyone.
L.O.V.E. Always,
Suzy.
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RestlessSoul:
Agree with you guys 100%. If Michael has a message which seems like he has, and if he wants us to spread it to everyone, we should have something that comes directly from the Jacksons to show to non-believers. I don't know why this is so hard or complicated to do if TS is really connected with the family somehow. We've tried every single way. We told them about TS' posts when they told us that they couldn't read them because they're too long. We tried to explain the numerology part but they told us that numerology doesn't work for them, we showed them the videos of slip-ups that the Jackson family made and they found it coincidental. We asked them the question list that TS was given to us and they tried to find answers to them which satify them. So what else can we do? I don't have any other idea to spread the message! And this seems like the only way. If there's someone here with a better idea, I'd love to listen what they say but it seems like there's noone with a better idea.
I also think that we need more convincing information to influence non-believers. Something more impressive and not from us but from official sources. Only not from Jacksons because if Michael is in danger they can't do it directly.
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RestlessSoul:
Agree with you guys 100%. If Michael has a message which seems like he has, and if he wants us to spread it to everyone, we should have something that comes directly from the Jacksons to show to non-believers. I don't know why this is so hard or complicated to do if TS is really connected with the family somehow. We've tried every single way. We told them about TS' posts when they told us that they couldn't read them because they're too long. We tried to explain the numerology part but they told us that numerology doesn't work for them, we showed them the videos of slip-ups that the Jackson family made and they found it coincidental. We asked them the question list that TS was given to us and they tried to find answers to them which satify them. So what else can we do? I don't have any other idea to spread the message! And this seems like the only way. If there's someone here with a better idea, I'd love to listen what they say but it seems like there's noone with a better idea.
I also think that we need more convincing information to influence non-believers. Something more impressive and not from us but from official sources. Only not from Jacksons because if Michael is in danger they can't do it directly.
The Jacksons did mention the illuminati being involved. On February 14th People Magazine Daily published an article, which now has disappeared. The link was http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714 (http://peoplemagazinedaily.com/?p=4714)
Here's a copy & paste of that article:
Michael Jackson Murder: New Murray Tape Could Clear or Condemn Him
Sunday, February 14, 2010
By Editorial Staff
A tape of a voicemail message left by Michael Jackson’s quack doctor and murderer Conrad Murray to another patient as Michael “lay dying” has just been obtained and released to the public by News of the World today.
The tape is scheduled to be utilized by both the prosecution and defense in the murder trial against Murray.
Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to a charge of Involuntary Manslaughter Feb. 8, left a very calm-sounding 18-second message for a patient Bob Russell pertaining to his heart scan on the morning of Jackson’s death in June 2009.
“This is Doctor Murray, Bob. Hi, how are you? Um, sorry I missed you. Just wanted to talk to you about your results of the EECP. You did quite well on the study. We would love to continue to see you as a patient even though I may have to be absent from my practice for, uh, because of an overseas sabbatical,” he said in the message.
Hear the message HERE
The bizarre fact is that the call took place at 11:54 am PST, which was the same time Los Angeles police claim Murray was frantically performing CPR on Jackson in his bedroom after administering the strong anesthetic Propofol.
A source close to the Murray team told NOTW: “It’s clear from the voicemail that Murray is not a man who sounds frantic, worried or in a stressful position.
“But if the police’s timeline is correct, then he would have been almost an hour into giving Jackson CPR.”
Murray’s attorney Ed Chernoff seeks to discredit the police’s initial interviews with his client in order to convince a jury that they mishandled the questioning.
Los Angeles detectives’ documents filed in July 2009, state Murray told them he administered Propofol to Jackson, then left to use the toilet for about two minutes, and when he returned, he found Jackson unconscious.
Police court documents state Murray was on his cellphone for 47 minutes after 11 am.
Another document states Murray told them Jackson “stopped breathing” at around 11 am.
When Jackson’s bodyguard Alberto Alvarez made a 911 call, he said Murray was performing CPR on the musician at around 12:21 pm.
“Murray’s lawyers know he gave Michael Propofol and understand that killed him. But just what happened in that room in those few hours Michael was last alive will be the key battleground,” NOTW’s source said.
The detective documents, time-lines and the two other calls Murray made between 11 and 12 that morning, will be at the centre of his defence.
The L.A. District Attorney’s Office, through homicide detectives Smith and Martinez, say Murray never informed them of these calls.
“The fact that Murray made this call and didn’t tell the police about it may be useful to the prosecution,” said another source to NOTW.
“Basically, it shows he was being evasive and had something to hide. Why would you not tell the police about every single thing you had done during those crucial moments when Michael Jackson was dying?”
The prosecution may argue that this call to patient Russell shows that Murray was not in that room or aware of Jackson’s complications.
A theory is that Murray knew Jackson was dead and was creating an alibi by making routine patient calls.
The Jackson family has stated they believe Murray was an accomplice in an evil cabal, possibly connected to Freemasons and the Illuminati cult, and plot against Michael to drug, control and murder him for monetary gain.
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TS in English Gematria Equals: 234
2+3+4 = 9
word results for TS in Jewish Gematria: Bible codes
(some) word results for TS in English Gematria: belief, team, Dot, Hold
Using http://www.gematrix.org/ (http://www.gematrix.org/) . If you don't remember what was it about check viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10681 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=10681) (this thread is actually creepy)
Yes, maybe not important..but that "9" and "bible codes" are just TOO MUCH of a coincidence
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Michael calls himslef "the nightmare", he is the "monster" (threat to NWO) who disappears "in one blink" (fake death), then COMES BACK to haunt (and hunt) from Never Neverland (metaphor for eternal childhood, immortality, and escapism - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neverland).
The issue of the RETURN is indeed intriguing, since we all know Michael is a genius and everything he does is thoroughly planned and with deep implications and symbolism. If I should guess on his comeback method, there are two possible means I see at the moment.
First is a "V" type of apparition, a video recording broadcasted not only on TV (because we know very well how controlled the media is) but especially on the Internet and on this site in particular, with Michael explaining his reasons, his goals and exposing the NWO through a mind-opening speech.
The second would be a religion-inspired style, by somehow opening his tomb (for futher investigations in the trial or whatever reasons the Jacksons would come up with) and finding he is not there. Remember that Michael used to say that Jesus inspires him...
Anyway, I am just guessing here, I'm sure Michael will shock the world with his return and our part in this is to be ready to support him and stand by him in the upcoming battle, because he cannot do this by himself. We WILL BE THERE!
To his question from "Planet Earth": "DO YOU CARE, HAVE YOU A PART IN THE DEEPEST EMOTIONS OF MY OWN HEART?", my answer is definitely YES!
P.S.: BeTheChange, my heart goes out to you and to all the painS you had to go through. Your post filled my heart with LOVE and empathy. Remember, the best is yet to come, so keep the faith!
LOVE,
Andy
Thanks for your kind words and thoughtful explanation. It makes sense that MJ is a threat to the NWO and was addressing his song to 'them.' And yet I can't quite imagine a scenario where he returns, the NWO surrenders all their weapons and the individuals themselves willingly surrender and we all live happily ever after. I'm just posing the question so that we can ready ourselves for whatever awaits us on the other side of this hoax.
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Having read this last TIai update, I decided to read through all the previous updates one more time to clarify my thoughts and decide where to go from there. Those were my main conclusions (i.e. what I was essentially left with):
1. The evidences
The choice of dates prior to and following the 25th June 2009 is a strong evidence that the whole scenario was scripted around key dates and numbers (777, 999, 21/12 primarily with 25/6/2009 being the anchor date)
The similarity with Elvis' "death" is just undeniable
The lack of RIP in This is it, at the Grammy's and on TMZ for 7 months
Jermaine Lapses ("This is really not it, there is going to be much much more..."; "He was very, very healthy but Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport....")
I addition, the use of the Gilda movie in This is it (Faked death, Actor Mc Geady shares his birthday with MJ), the parallels with the 2012 and V Vendetta movies and tweets from the family support the theory that Michael faked his death and is alive.
2. The message
Michael has consistently repeated over many years "And you ain't seen nothing yet...!" and I believe this hoax is Michael big opportunity to do a Thriller II (TII), an ARG (Alternative Reality Game) with strong messages and totally overshadowing his previous achievements.
The messages that my little aerials are getting ( ;) ) are strong ones:
- We need to fight for Freedom
- Our governments are full of corruption
- The national media cannot be trusted, it is governed by those who want to take our freedom
- We need to heal the world and learn how to look after our environment, how to love, how to educate our children
- The end of the World as we know it may happen in the next few years (around 21/12/2012) - There is a strong spiritual message here.
- We need to join together and have an army of Love ready to help Michael when he comes back.
- We can influence Michael's return
3. What's next?
I believe that we need to continue spreading the message that Michael will come back (http://WWW.ElvisANDMJ.com (http://WWW.ElvisANDMJ.com)); live what we preach and be prepared to support "bamsday".
We also need to continue watching TMZ (and crossing the DOTS), the key players in the Hoax (The Family, Kenny Ortega, LMP?, TS) and maybe http://www.5brotherenterprises.com (http://www.5brotherenterprises.com) (TS reference) for any significant message
4. Final thoughts
The Ark of the Covenant and the This is it DVD Easter eggs were referred to in TS earlier posts and may yet provide further 'clues'... in due time?
Who ever TS is, he/she is doing a great job at leading us through the hoax scenario and I say a big Thank you!
With L.O.V.E
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imo what TS means is not important ...This guessing game will not solve anything :)
i'm just trying to change the focus ...
TS - TIAISTUDY done :lol:
What do you mean?
1-3. What Does the Username “TS” Stand For? (Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:11 pm)
As far as the person(s) operating TIAI (dot-com): many people are not concerned who it is; they just see the importance of the message, and the evidence that it is genuine, and that is sufficient for them.
Others have tried to name a specific person behind it—such as Marlon Jackson, or someone with the personal initials of “TS”. If it really is Marlon, then surely TIAI would be genuine; however, even if I claimed to be Marlon, this would not prove that I really am Marlon. This is why I asked people to go by the evidence that the information is genuine, and not by my claim of who I am or where I got the information.
On the other hand, if I claimed to be someone with the initials of “TS”—this would not prove that I really have those initials; in fact, it wouldn’t even prove that I am not Marlon! And even if I really did have these initials, how could that be any evidence whatsoever that TIAI is or is not genuine??? And yet several have dismissed TIAI, merely on this idea that I have these personal initials!
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that I do have these personal initials—and if this fact became known, then that alone would prove TIAI to be a fake. Do you suppose that if this were actually the case, I would be so careless as to use “TS” for a username??? After all of the time and thought that was put into TIAI and STUDY: would “TS” thoughtlessly be picked for a username, if it would (supposedly) prove that TIAI is fake? Have any of you TIAI objectors stopped to think about how flimsy your objections really are? And by the way: did any of you sharp investigators notice that “TS” is an abbreviation for T-IAI and S-TUDY??
Several people misunderstood the following statement, which was in TIAI Revealed, Part 1: “I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.”
The point here, especially taken in the wider context, is that I am not asking anyone to believe the information based upon my claim of who is behind TIAI, and/or where the information came from. For example, if I claimed to be Marlon, many would not believe that I am Marlon just because I say so. The words “many would not believe me if I told you”, refer to the previous phrase: “how I got this information”—it is not the information itself that many would not believe, if I told you where I got it.
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:D
Bit late I know, but thank you so much for that update TS - whoever you may be! (been trying to work that out all day :roll: :mrgreen: ) It all makes so much sense ;)
Oooh, I think we're getting close now! Keep on watching the World Cup, I think something big is gonna happen :mrgreen:
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Also I fell in love with another Elvis song-----
THE WONDER OF YOU
A must listen for everyone!!! :D
[youtube:3vc2s18v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrQqmc5UT8[/youtube:3vc2s18v]
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I came across something when I clicked on this link TS posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon)
Read this and went... wait...
Elvis in the 21st century
Interest in Presley's recordings returned during the buildup to the FIFA World Cup 2002, when Nike used a Junkie XL remixed version of his "A Little Less Conversation" (credited as "Elvis Vs JXL") as the background music to a series of TV commercials featuring international soccer stars.
also this LMP blog post coincidence:
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
This sentence is interesting, as well as the choice of words and the capitalization of "The... Scenario" (LMPs doing in the original blog, see http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =497035326 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326) )
The Scenario?
Featured in latest blog entry: http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/)
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Matthew 24:1-34 (Amplified Bible)
Matthew 24
1JESUS DEPARTED from the temple area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to Him to call His attention to the buildings of the temple and point them out to Him.
2But He answered them, Do you see all these? Truly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.
3While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age?
4Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you [deceiving you and leading you into error].
5For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray.
6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened or troubled, for this must take place, but the end is not yet.
7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in place after place;
8All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish].
9Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
10And then many will be offended and repelled and will begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] and will stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred.
11And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.
12And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity,
13But he who endures to the end will be saved.
14And this good news of the kingdom (the Gospel) will be preached throughout the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.
15So when you see the appalling sacrilege [the abomination that astonishes and makes desolate], spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place--let the reader take notice and ponder and consider and heed [this]
16Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains;
17Let him who is on the housetop not come down and go into the house to take anything;
18And let him who is in the field not turn back to get his overcoat.
19And alas for the women who are pregnant and for those who have nursing babies in those days!
20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
21For then there will be great tribulation (affliction, distress, and oppression) such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now--no, and never will be [again].
22And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would endure and survive, but for the sake of the elect (God's chosen ones) those days will be shortened.
23If anyone says to you then, Behold, here is the Christ (the Messiah)! or, There He is!--do not believe it.
24For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God's chosen ones).
25See, I have warned you beforehand.
26So if they say to you, Behold, He is in the wilderness (desert)--do not go out there; if they tell you, Behold, He is in the secret places or inner rooms--do not believe it.
27For just as the lightning flashes from the east and shines and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be.
28Wherever there is a fallen body (a corpse), there the vultures (or eagles) will flock together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor].
31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect (His chosen ones) from the four winds, [even] from one end of the universe to the other.
32From the fig tree learn this lesson: as soon as its young shoots become soft and tender and it puts out its leaves, you know of a surety that summer is near.
33So also when you see these signs, all taken together, coming to pass, you may know of a surety that He is near, at the very doors.
34Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
:ugeek:
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I came across something when I clicked on this link TS posted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon)
Read this and went... wait...
Elvis in the 21st century
Interest in Presley's recordings returned during the buildup to the FIFA World Cup 2002, when Nike used a Junkie XL remixed version of his "A Little Less Conversation" (credited as "Elvis Vs JXL") as the background music to a series of TV commercials featuring international soccer stars.
also this LMP blog post coincidence:
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
This sentence is interesting, as well as the choice of words and the capitalization of "The... Scenario" (LMPs doing in the original blog, see http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =497035326 (http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326) )
The Scenario?
Featured in latest blog entry: http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/)
I read these. They're both really interesting finds. What also popped out at me was the very end of her entry:
I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.
He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.
I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.
The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.
That's a lot of times to reiterate the word "hope". Could it be that she knew what he was getting at when they had that conversation, just that she might not've known what his reasons behind pulling the hoax off was at the time? And that "This Scenario" thing is pretty interesting. Often hitting the 'shift' button for capital letters is a conscious thing... :? Not something you do on accident. Whether it was for emphasis or something more is the question. Or maybe that isn't the question at all.
And yeah. He DID know exactly how his fate would be planned out. She WOULD say something like that, given the fact that her father knew how HIS fate was going to be played out too. And look what we've found.
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imo what TS means is not important ...This guessing game will not solve anything :)
i'm just trying to change the focus ...
TS - TIAISTUDY done :lol:
What do you mean?
1-3. What Does the Username “TS” Stand For? (Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:11 pm)
As far as the person(s) operating TIAI (dot-com): many people are not concerned who it is; they just see the importance of the message, and the evidence that it is genuine, and that is sufficient for them.
Others have tried to name a specific person behind it—such as Marlon Jackson, or someone with the personal initials of “TS”. If it really is Marlon, then surely TIAI would be genuine; however, even if I claimed to be Marlon, this would not prove that I really am Marlon. This is why I asked people to go by the evidence that the information is genuine, and not by my claim of who I am or where I got the information.
On the other hand, if I claimed to be someone with the initials of “TS”—this would not prove that I really have those initials; in fact, it wouldn’t even prove that I am not Marlon! And even if I really did have these initials, how could that be any evidence whatsoever that TIAI is or is not genuine??? And yet several have dismissed TIAI, merely on this idea that I have these personal initials!
For the sake of argument, let’s assume that I do have these personal initials—and if this fact became known, then that alone would prove TIAI to be a fake. Do you suppose that if this were actually the case, I would be so careless as to use “TS” for a username??? After all of the time and thought that was put into TIAI and STUDY: would “TS” thoughtlessly be picked for a username, if it would (supposedly) prove that TIAI is fake? Have any of you TIAI objectors stopped to think about how flimsy your objections really are? And by the way: did any of you sharp investigators notice that “TS” is an abbreviation for T-IAI and S-TUDY??
Several people misunderstood the following statement, which was in TIAI Revealed, Part 1: “I am not going to say right now how I got this information; many would not believe me if I told you.”
The point here, especially taken in the wider context, is that I am not asking anyone to believe the information based upon my claim of who is behind TIAI, and/or where the information came from. For example, if I claimed to be Marlon, many would not believe that I am Marlon just because I say so. The words “many would not believe me if I told you”, refer to the previous phrase: “how I got this information”—it is not the information itself that many would not believe, if I told you where I got it.
I know all that, LOL! I was just wondering what you meant by that one sentence in italics, how you put the word 'done' but I know what you mean!
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4. Final thoughts
The Ark of the Covenant and the This is it DVD Easter eggs were referred to in TS earlier posts and may yet provide further 'clues'... in due time?
The Ark of the Covenant was supposed to be unveiled on June 26 2009, but that never happened.
Ark of the Covenant' about to be unveiled?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=102119 (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=102119)
Holy Ark Announcement Due on Friday
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132067 (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132067)
Ark Of The Covenant Revealed - UPDATE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/2 ... 21519.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/26/ark-of-the-covenant-revea_n_221519.html)
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Hello, friends!
I've found a very interesting article. I think this is a direct proof that we all are in danger. NWO leaders are preparing for something bad.
Sat Jul 19, 2008
‘Doomsday Seed Vault’ in the Arctic
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
by F. William Engdahl
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One thing Microsoft founder Bill Gates can’t be accused of is sloth. He was already programming at 14, founded Microsoft at age 20 while still a student at Harvard. By 1995 he had been listed by Forbes as the world’s richest man from being the largest shareholder in his Microsoft, a company which his relentless drive built into a de facto monopoly in software systems for personal computers.
In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world’s largest ‘transparent’ private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free charitable status. A gift from friend and business associate, mega-investor Warren Buffett in 2006, of some $30 billion worth of shares in Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway put the Gates’ foundation into the league where it spends almost the amount of the entire annual budget of the United Nations’ World Health Organization.
So when Bill Gates decides through the Gates Foundation to invest some $30 million of their hard earned money in a project, it is worth looking at.
No project is more interesting at the moment than a curious project in one of the world’s most remote spots, Svalbard. Bill Gates is investing millions in a seed bank on the Barents Sea near the Arctic Ocean, some 1,100 kilometers from the North Pole. Svalbard is a barren piece of rock claimed by Norway and ceded in 1925 by international treaty (see map).
On this God-forsaken island Bill Gates is investing tens of his millions along with the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation, Syngenta Foundation and the Government of Norway, among others, in what is called the ‘doomsday seed bank.’ Officially the project is named the Svalbard Global Seed Vault on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard island group.
The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island near the small village of Longyearbyen. It’s almost ready for ‘business’ according to their releases. The bank will have dual blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future,’ according to the Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault’s relative inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human activity.
Did we miss something here? Their press release stated, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future.’ What future do the seed bank’s sponsors foresee, that would threaten the global availability of current seeds, almost all of which are already well protected in designated seed banks around the world?
Anytime Bill Gates, the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto and Syngenta get together on a common project, it’s worth digging a bit deeper behind the rocks on Spitsbergen. When we do we find some fascinating things.
The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the world’s largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the “gene revolution with over $100 million of seed money since the 1970’s; CGIAR, the global network created by the Rockefeller Foundation to promote its ideal of genetic purity through agriculture change.
Why now Svalbard?
We can legitimately ask why Bill Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation along with the major genetic engineering agribusiness giants such as DuPont and Syngenta, along with CGIAR are building the Doomsday Seed Vault in the Arctic.
Who uses such a seed bank in the first place? Plant breeders and researchers are the major users of gene banks. Today’s largest plant breeders are Monsanto, DuPont, Syngenta and Dow Chemical, the global plant-patenting GMO giants. Since early in 2007 Monsanto holds world patent rights together with the United States Government for plant so-called ‘Terminator’ or Genetic Use Restriction Technology (GURT). Terminator is an ominous technology by which a patented commercial seed commits ‘suicide’ after one harvest. Control by private seed companies is total. Such control and power over the food chain has never before in the history of mankind existed.
This clever genetically engineered terminator trait forces farmers to return every year to Monsanto or other GMO seed suppliers to get new seeds for rice, soybeans, corn, wheat whatever major crops they need to feed their population. If broadly introduced around the world, it could within perhaps a decade or so make the world’s majority of food producers new feudal serfs in bondage to three or four giant seed companies such as Monsanto or DuPont or Dow Chemical.
That, of course, could also open the door to have those private companies, perhaps under orders from their host government, Washington, deny seeds to one or another developing country whose politics happened to go against Washington’s. Those who say ‘It can’t happen here’ should look more closely at current global events. The mere existence of that concentration of power in three or four private US-based agribusiness giants is grounds for legally banning all GMO crops even were their harvest gains real, which they manifestly are not.
These private companies, Monsanto, DuPont, Dow Chemical hardly have an unsullied record in terms of stewardship of human life. They developed and proliferated such innovations as dioxin, PCBs, Agent Orange. They covered up for decades clear evidence of carcinogenic and other severe human health consequences of use of the toxic chemicals. They have buried serious scientific reports that the world’s most widespread herbicide, glyphosate, the essential ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide that is tied to purchase of most Monsanto genetically engineered seeds, is toxic when it seeps into drinking water.9 Denmark banned glyphosate in 2003 when it confirmed it has contaminated the country’s groundwater.10
The diversity stored in seed gene banks is the raw material for plant breeding and for a great deal of basic biological research. Several hundred thousand samples are distributed annually for such purposes. The UN’s FAO lists some 1400 seed banks around the world, the largest being held by the United States Government. Other large banks are held by China, Russia, Japan, India, South Korea, Germany and Canada in descending order of size. In addition, CGIAR operates a chain of seed banks in select centers around the world.
CGIAR, set up in 1972 by the Rockefeller Foundation and Ford Foundation to spread their Green Revolution agribusiness model, controls most of the private seed banks from the Philippines to Syria to Kenya. In all these present seed banks hold more than six and a half million seed varieties, almost two million of which are ‘distinct.’ Svalbard’s Doomsday Vault will have a capacity to house four and a half million different seeds.
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Hello, friends!
I've found a very interesting article. I think this is a direct proof that we all are in danger. NWO leaders are preparing for something bad.
Sat Jul 19, 2008
‘Doomsday Seed Vault’ in the Arctic
Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t
by F. William Engdahl
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One thing Microsoft founder Bill Gates can’t be accused of is sloth. He was already programming at 14, founded Microsoft at age 20 while still a student at Harvard. By 1995 he had been listed by Forbes as the world’s richest man from being the largest shareholder in his Microsoft, a company which his relentless drive built into a de facto monopoly in software systems for personal computers.
In 2006 when most people in such a situation might think of retiring to a quiet Pacific island, Bill Gates decided to devote his energies to his Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the world’s largest ‘transparent’ private foundation as it says, with a whopping $34.6 billion endowment and a legal necessity to spend $1.5 billion a year on charitable projects around the world to maintain its tax free charitable status. A gift from friend and business associate, mega-investor Warren Buffett in 2006, of some $30 billion worth of shares in Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway put the Gates’ foundation into the league where it spends almost the amount of the entire annual budget of the United Nations’ World Health Organization.
So when Bill Gates decides through the Gates Foundation to invest some $30 million of their hard earned money in a project, it is worth looking at.
No project is more interesting at the moment than a curious project in one of the world’s most remote spots, Svalbard. Bill Gates is investing millions in a seed bank on the Barents Sea near the Arctic Ocean, some 1,100 kilometers from the North Pole. Svalbard is a barren piece of rock claimed by Norway and ceded in 1925 by international treaty (see map).
On this God-forsaken island Bill Gates is investing tens of his millions along with the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation, Syngenta Foundation and the Government of Norway, among others, in what is called the ‘doomsday seed bank.’ Officially the project is named the Svalbard Global Seed Vault on the Norwegian island of Spitsbergen, part of the Svalbard island group.
The seed bank is being built inside a mountain on Spitsbergen Island near the small village of Longyearbyen. It’s almost ready for ‘business’ according to their releases. The bank will have dual blast-proof doors with motion sensors, two airlocks, and walls of steel-reinforced concrete one meter thick. It will contain up to three million different varieties of seeds from the entire world, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future,’ according to the Norwegian government. Seeds will be specially wrapped to exclude moisture. There will be no full-time staff, but the vault’s relative inaccessibility will facilitate monitoring any possible human activity.
Did we miss something here? Their press release stated, ‘so that crop diversity can be conserved for the future.’ What future do the seed bank’s sponsors foresee, that would threaten the global availability of current seeds, almost all of which are already well protected in designated seed banks around the world?
Anytime Bill Gates, the Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto and Syngenta get together on a common project, it’s worth digging a bit deeper behind the rocks on Spitsbergen. When we do we find some fascinating things.
The first notable point is who is sponsoring the doomsday seed vault. Here joining the Norwegians are, as noted, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation; the US agribusiness giant DuPont/Pioneer Hi-Bred, one of the world’s largest owners of patented genetically-modified (GMO) plant seeds and related agrichemicals; Syngenta, the Swiss-based major GMO seed and agrichemicals company through its Syngenta Foundation; the Rockefeller Foundation, the private group who created the “gene revolution with over $100 million of seed money since the 1970’s; CGIAR, the global network created by the Rockefeller Foundation to promote its ideal of genetic purity through agriculture change.
Why now Svalbard?
We can legitimately ask why Bill Gates and the Rockefeller Foundation along with the major genetic engineering agribusiness giants such as DuPont and Syngenta, along with CGIAR are building the Doomsday Seed Vault in the Arctic.
Who uses such a seed bank in the first place? Plant breeders and researchers are the major users of gene banks. Today’s largest plant breeders are Monsanto, DuPont, Syngenta and Dow Chemical, the global plant-patenting GMO giants. Since early in 2007 Monsanto holds world patent rights together with the United States Government for plant so-called ‘Terminator’ or Genetic Use Restriction Technology (GURT). Terminator is an ominous technology by which a patented commercial seed commits ‘suicide’ after one harvest. Control by private seed companies is total. Such control and power over the food chain has never before in the history of mankind existed.
This clever genetically engineered terminator trait forces farmers to return every year to Monsanto or other GMO seed suppliers to get new seeds for rice, soybeans, corn, wheat whatever major crops they need to feed their population. If broadly introduced around the world, it could within perhaps a decade or so make the world’s majority of food producers new feudal serfs in bondage to three or four giant seed companies such as Monsanto or DuPont or Dow Chemical.
That, of course, could also open the door to have those private companies, perhaps under orders from their host government, Washington, deny seeds to one or another developing country whose politics happened to go against Washington’s. Those who say ‘It can’t happen here’ should look more closely at current global events. The mere existence of that concentration of power in three or four private US-based agribusiness giants is grounds for legally banning all GMO crops even were their harvest gains real, which they manifestly are not.
These private companies, Monsanto, DuPont, Dow Chemical hardly have an unsullied record in terms of stewardship of human life. They developed and proliferated such innovations as dioxin, PCBs, Agent Orange. They covered up for decades clear evidence of carcinogenic and other severe human health consequences of use of the toxic chemicals. They have buried serious scientific reports that the world’s most widespread herbicide, glyphosate, the essential ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup herbicide that is tied to purchase of most Monsanto genetically engineered seeds, is toxic when it seeps into drinking water.9 Denmark banned glyphosate in 2003 when it confirmed it has contaminated the country’s groundwater.10
The diversity stored in seed gene banks is the raw material for plant breeding and for a great deal of basic biological research. Several hundred thousand samples are distributed annually for such purposes. The UN’s FAO lists some 1400 seed banks around the world, the largest being held by the United States Government. Other large banks are held by China, Russia, Japan, India, South Korea, Germany and Canada in descending order of size. In addition, CGIAR operates a chain of seed banks in select centers around the world.
CGIAR, set up in 1972 by the Rockefeller Foundation and Ford Foundation to spread their Green Revolution agribusiness model, controls most of the private seed banks from the Philippines to Syria to Kenya. In all these present seed banks hold more than six and a half million seed varieties, almost two million of which are ‘distinct.’ Svalbard’s Doomsday Vault will have a capacity to house four and a half million different seeds.
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Sorry but I am not the smartest person on the block. Can you tell me what this means? :? I don't really understand it all.
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It really must be true because the more I read the more I am convinced that Elvis may actually still be ALIVE! :shock: :shock: :lol: 8-)
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I see people trying to work out the significance of the posting times and dates. TS explained in Update #3 that you need to change your Board Preferences in the User Control Panel to Pacific Time if you want to see the correct time for a TS post. Otherwise you’re basing your understanding on the default UTS time or your own time zone. So for people new to this:
Pacific Time
Update #5a: Posted May 12th 2010 at 5:12 or 5-12-2010 at 5:12.
(TS does not seem to use 24h time.)
This date includes the time of the 911 call 12:21 and is 5 months after TS first post 12-21-2009.
You can also see 12:21 in these posts:
TIAI Revealed Parts 1 to 5 posted 12-21-2009
TIAI Revealed Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009
TIAI Update #4c posted 03-12-2010 at 12:21pm
TS skipped a month in the Updates during April which aligned the Update No. with the calendar month.
The Update title DO you Think 4 your Self with OTS OF TMZ SHOW going down from the D gives 12 points so the final point of Update 5 is 5-12. Same as the date and time.
The posting date is evidence that TS had prior knowledge about the subject of the later redirect about the Elvis/Eliza connection. There was a conversation that occurred on 5/12 that was not made known on that web page until the next day.
(The whole date 5-12-2010 adds to 11, short date 5-12-10 to 9 and the time 5:12 to 8. Also in 12th 2010 :12 you can see 111, 222 and if you add each group if 21 or 12 you can see 333. I don't know if any of this is intentional.)
The UTS time of Update 5, May 12th 2010 at 12:12 maybe coincided with the PT time to connect to the London Dome – O2 Arena?
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis DOuble-bam This Summer
TS for the first time lower cased ai and u to make it easy for us to see TIME, DOTS, TS and This Summer.
Also DOME? MID?
Did TS post update #6 operating on daylight saving time?
A Pacific Time (PT) time of 7:16 could mean July 7.
The Pacific Daylight Time is 8:16.
What happened August 16, 1977?
To change to PDT time you need to go to Board preferences in the control panel, change to PT time then choose yes for Summer time.
Summer Time- reminds me of the Autopsy Report and the blood analysis of Trauma Gershwin.
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Did TS post update #6 operating on daylight saving time?
A Pacific Time (PT) time of 7:16 could mean July 7.
The Pacific Daylight Time is 8:16.
What happened August 16, 1977?
To change to PDT time you need to go to Board preferences in the control panel, change to PT time then choose yes for Summer time.
Summer Time- reminds me of the Autopsy Report and the blood analysis of Trauma Gershwin.
And again July 7 comes up. I really think we can expect something on that day, not sure if it will be a bam, a double bam or something else that will be interesting, but I do think we need to keep our eyes open on that date: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11228 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11228)
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I usually don’t say much on the board because there is so much information and so much to be said, but I think this would be an appropriate time to speak what I feel in my heart. I don’t really think that any of the Jacksons would communicate to anyone on a public board. There is to much that can be scrutinized, and taken out of context on both sides of the communication and I don’t really think that their legal representatives would advise that they use this medium. With that said I don’t think we would have to worry about their opinion or lack thereof about “TS or TIAI”. Thank God for TS and TIAI.
As for the bottom line about what Michael has intended to achieve with this entire endeavor, let me say that it has been carefully and meticulously and prayerfully in the planning for years. Remember, Michael said he reads the Holy Bible every day and talks with God throughout the day. He clearly has said many times to many people that God was his strength. Michael wanted to be like JESUS. Tom Mesereau stated that after the verdict was given in 2005 they went back to Neverland, and Michael went straight into the house and Tom went looking for him and found him in his bedroom talking to God.
How absolutely moving is that, to represent Michael’s relationship with our Heavenly Father and his son Jesus. So it would stand to reason that Michael knows exactly what we are faced with in this time on earth. Michael respected all religions but Michael is a Christian and Christianity is not a religion, it means to be Christ like, it is a way of being. It is not about rules and regulations, it is about LOVE and a relationship with our loving Heavenly Father. Michael would never publicly speak of his feelings or his convictions of the heart, because he did not want to offend others by his personal ideals, and he could not do this due to contractual business.
But none the less Michael still knew what is to come. He knows there is absolutely nothing that we or anyone else can do about what is coming on the earth. The bible prophesies in the book of Daniel, and in Revelations, has to be fulfilled. And since we know Michael is a genius, believe me, he knows his bible.
Daniel 12:1 I believe is speaking directly of Michael. The King James version reads as follows:
1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
In the bible it speaks of two Michaels…The Archangel, which is just that, and the great prince. These are two separate entities. One is an angel and one is a human. It says Michael the great prince which standeth for the Children of thy people. Not just people but the children. Michael is considered a prince and a king in some parts of the world. I believe the prophet Daniel saw our precious Michael and what he is about to do in the world. So with that being said, Michael knows Christ is coming back and we can’t save the world, that is something that Jesus does when he return.
However, we can take measures to save ourselves and THAT is the message that Michael is trying so desperately to make us understand. How that is done is up to YOU! The bible tells what we must do to be saved. Please take a look at
http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl (http://www.youtube.com/user/navibl)
Michael will be protected upon his return and he will bring such an awakening along with him, that masses with stand up and acknowledge the truth that Michael understands. Michael was persecuted for years over this knowledge and these powers that be were out to stop him at all cost. The bible says we wrestle not again flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers of darkness, so we physically can’t do anything about this, but we can spread this message of wakening to those around us, and prepare our hearts and minds as we are told in God’s word. I hope no one is offended by my opinions, or the facts that are stated in the bible. Also be sure to look at “Reflections of the Dance”
http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/The-Man.html (http://www.reflectionsonthedance.com/The-Man.html)
God Bless each and every one of your precious hearts.
Victoria
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
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..even if Bow is debunked in this site,she said one month ago that Michael will come back,and he will not be alone.There will be someone standing with him. People have asked if it will be Janet or some other family member,but she said she was not allowed to answer,same as she was not allowed to answer questions concerning The Presley family.
Maybe it is just a coincidence..but I just wanted to share. I know many people here don't trust that girl... Doesn't matter..Me also I can't say she is legit,but I read sometimes her posts.
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..even if Bow is debunked in this site,she said one month ago that Michael will come back,and he will not be alone.There will be someone standing with him. People have asked if it will be Janet or some other family member,but she said she was not allowed to answer,same as she was not allowed to answer questions concerning The Presley family.
Maybe it is just a coincidence..but I just wanted to share. I know many people here don't trust that girl... Doesn't matter..Me also I can't say she is legit,but I read sometimes her posts.
OH PLEASE! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: NOT BOW! :roll:
elvis WON'T come back!
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Maybe TIME DOTS is referring to the time that TMZ's posts the articles.
Yesterdays Articles
Justice4MJ Has Gift4MJ ... But Will They GiveIt2MJ?
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 12:45 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
6 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 4 - 5
4, 5, 6, 111, 222 (111 Symbol of the Trinity of God, 222 Represent the Temple, the Earth.)
4 + 5 + 6 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
2 + 2 + 2 = 6
6 + 3 + 6 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6 ( 6 has dual meanings - Represent the imperfection, the sin, the Evil. Number of the "man-animal"; not conscious of his divinity. Perfect number with several associations to Jesus)
3, 666 (number of the beast or Satan)
or 3 x 6 = 36
Represent the devil or Satan, as well as the evil which it personifies.
http://www.ridingthebeast.com/numbers/nu36.php
3 + 6 = 9 (9 is the Number of the patience, the meditation. Number of the harmony. It is the expression of "the power of the Holy Spirit". Symbol of the creation and the life. Nine is the number of the one who accomplishes the divine will.)
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 4 + 5 = 24
Friends Say Katherine Jackson is Joe's Puppet
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 1:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
6 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1
6, 22, 111 (22 Represents the movement, the infinity. Represent the creation. Symbolizes the end of a cycle, and for the man, the end of the obligatory reincarnations on the earth.)
6
2 + 2 = 4
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
6 + 4 + 3 = 13, 1 +3 = 4 (4 Represents the union of the three Persons of the Saint Trinity in only one Being. Symbol of the totality, Number of the double duality)
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 13
Conrad Murray -- Friday Will Be An Ordinary Day
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 9:00 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
6 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 9
6, 9, 11, 22 (11 is the Symbol of the interior fight. Represent the transgression of the law; cosmic sin. Number of the martyrdom. Number of the knowledge of God.)
6 + 9 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6
1 + 1 = 2
2 + 2 = 4
6 + 2 + 4 = 12, 1 + 2 = 3 ( 3 is the Number representing the Holy Trinity, Number of the Holy Spirit, Number of the man)
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 9 = 21
Showdown Between Katherine and MJ Estate
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 12:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
6 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 1 - 2
6, 111, 222
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
2 + 2 + 2 = 6
6 + 3 + 6 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6
3, 666
or 3 x 6 = 36
3 + 6 = 9
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 = 15
Katherine Jackson's MJ Book -- The Photos
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 4:07 PM PDT by TMZ Staff
6 - 2 - 1 - 2 - 1 - 4 - 7
4, 6, 7, 22, 111
4 + 6 + 7 = 17, 1 + 7 = 8 ( 8 is the Number of the perfection, the infinity. Symbol of the cosmic Christ.)
2 + 2 = 4
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
8 + 4 + 3 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 4 + 7 = 23
Now if we add up all the TIME DOTS of the articles for yesterday
24 + 13 + 21 + 15 + 23 = 96
9 + 6 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6
Six is Michael's life Path Number according to numerology
http://www.ofesite.com/spirit/numerology/path6.htm
If you reverse the order of the number 96 to 69
You get the Yin Yang symbol
(http://www.supremechienergy.com/images/yin_yang.gif)
Chinese Yin Yang symbols represent perfect balance. The whole of Chinese philosophy stems from the concept of Yin and Yang – opposites interacting and supposedly the seed of all things. For example, evil results from an imbalance in Yin and Yang, and good comes from the two being in harmonic balance.
This is also central to the idea to Dualism
http://www.whats-your-sign.com/yin-yang-symbols.html
This symbol was shown repeatedly, on the big screen,during the Memorial at The Staples Centre.
(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/13.jpg)
69 can also represent "As Above, So Below"
This phrase comes from the beginning of EGYPTIAN The Emerald Tablet
(http://i778.photobucket.com/albums/yy67/droopinghalo/phpKRCHgnPM.jpg)
and embraces the entire system of traditional and modern magic which was inscribed upon the tablet in cryptic wording by Hermes Trismegistus. The significance of this phrase is that it is believed to hold the key to all mysteries. All systems of magic are claimed to function by this formula. "'That which is above is the same as that which is below'...Macrocosmos is the same as microcosmos. The universe is the same as God, God is the same as man, man is the same as the cell, the cell is the same as the atom, the atom is the same as...and so on, ad infinitum."
This message theorizes that man is the counterpart of God on earth; as God is man's counterpart in heaven. Therefore, it is a statement of an ancient belief that man's actions on earth parallel the actions of God in heaven. This pivots on the belief that "all things have their birth from this One Thing by adaptation."
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/below_above.html
I already wrote about this in the thread on Arithmomancy
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=11049&hilit=+arithmancy
I don't know if this works for everyday or not but it did for yesterday.
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..even if Bow is debunked in this site,she said one month ago that Michael will come back,and he will not be alone.There will be someone standing with him. People have asked if it will be Janet or some other family member,but she said she was not allowed to answer,same as she was not allowed to answer questions concerning The Presley family.
Maybe it is just a coincidence..but I just wanted to share. I know many people here don't trust that girl... Doesn't matter..Me also I can't say she is legit,but I read sometimes her posts.
OH PLEASE! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: NOT BOW! :roll:
elvis WON'T come back!
I don't think also...
but ..is TS saying that?That Elvis will Bam together with Michael? :?
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..even if Bow is debunked in this site,she said one month ago that Michael will come back,and he will not be alone.There will be someone standing with him. People have asked if it will be Janet or some other family member,but she said she was not allowed to answer,same as she was not allowed to answer questions concerning The Presley family.
Maybe it is just a coincidence..but I just wanted to share. I know many people here don't trust that girl... Doesn't matter..Me also I can't say she is legit,but I read sometimes her posts.
OH PLEASE! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: NOT BOW! :roll:
elvis WON'T come back!
I don't think also...
but ..is TS saying that?That Elvis will Bam together with Michael? :?
As far as Elvis returning to public life, that really isn't what was said. That part was as follows and does not necessarily mean a PHYSICAL "BAM" by Elvis but does suggest a physical one by Michael.
TS said:
"Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public)."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon)
There is a belief in some quarters that Presley did not die in 1977, that he is still alive, that he went into hiding for various reasons. This claim is allegedly backed up by thousands of so-called Elvis sightings that have occurred in the years since his death.[16] Critics of the notion state that a number of Presley impersonators can easily be mistaken for Presley and that the urban legend is merely the result of fans not wanting to accept his death.
Two tabloid newspapers, the Weekly World News and The Sun[citation needed], ran articles covering the continuing "life" of Presley after his death, in great detail, including a broken leg from a motorcycle accident, all the way up to his purported "real death" in the mid 1990s.[citation needed] However, since his "real death", the Weekly World News has continued to claim he is still alive, thus contradicting its initial story. In his book, Elvis' DNA Proves He's Alive (2005), Bill Beeny claims to have conducted DNA testing on two tissues of Presley—one of the singer when he was alive, and one of the supposed dead body. According to the author, the two did not match. Therefore, he concludes, Presley's death may have been faked.[citation needed]
The so-called Wax Body Theory remains intriguing, when considering the following circumstances, presented as facts by its various supporters:[17]
1. Elvis Presley's custom-made coffin weighed 900 pounds. Funeral attendants reported that the air around it was unusually cool, leading to suspicion of a built-in AC unit to keep a wax body (i.e. replica of Elvis' corpse) cool;
2. The face presented to the mourners featured oddly arched eyebrows and a pug nose, even though Elvis had undergone rhinoplasty (a nose job) to elongate his rather Native American-looking nose into a classical one for his movie career in Hollywood;
3. Elvis weighed approximately 250 pounds at the time of his "death", but his death certificate reduced this to a mere 170 pounds, in keeping with the appearance of the wax body;[citation needed]
4. Elvis was a karate expert with an 8th degree black belt, so his hands were visibly calloused, whereas the body laid in the coffin had soft and pudgy, rather effeminate hands;[citation needed]
5. One of the trademark Presley sideburns came off because the wax body was seen to be "sweating", i.e. melting, and a hairdresser later reported gluing it back on;[citation needed]
6. Two hours after the public announcement of Elvis' death, a man who looked like a dead ringer for Elvis purchased a plane ticket for Buenos Aires under the name of John Burrows, an alias Elvis had used on several occasions, and one that was reported in government documents;[citation needed]
7. A number of Elvis' most prized books such as his Bible, Chiro's Book of Numbers, and the Autobiography of a Yogi all disappeared after his alleged death, never to be recovered;[citation needed]
8. Elvis' record company RCA showed uncanny foresight by releasing millions of his recordings and merchandise, and his manager Colonel Tom Parker was spotted wearing a pair of Hawaiian shorts on the day of the funeral, a sign of remarkable disrespect in any culture, if it had not been for the fact that he had no reason to mourn [18];[citation needed]
9. Two days before his alleged death, Elvis called a lady friend named Miss Foster to tell her he had canceled his upcoming tour and that she should not believe anything she would read about him. A polygraph test described in "Elvis, Where Are You?" showed that she was not lying;[citation needed]
10. A former paramour named Lucy de Barbin received a single rose in the mail on the day after Elvis' alleged death with a card identifying the sender as "El Lancelot", her secret pet name for Elvis, unbeknownst to anyone else;[citation needed]
11. Elvis was fascinated by Numerology - adding the numbers contained in the date of his alleged death (16 August 1977) yields 2001, the title of his favorite movie in which the hero plans his immortality in the bathroom;[citation needed]
12. To this day, no one has ever stepped forward to collect Elvis Presley's life insurance policy;[citation needed]
13. Graphology experts have proven that the signature on his death certificate is Elvis' own handwriting;[citation needed]
14. On his last concert tour in the summer of 1977, Elvis regularly quipped that although he did not look his best right now, he would look good in his coffin [2].[citation needed]
15. A certified psychiatrist and practising physician from Kansas City named Dr. Donald Hinton (not to be confused with Elvis impersonator Don Hinton) would testify in a court of law that his book "The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley: In His Own Words" was co-written with "Jesse" (Elvis' assumed new identity under the name of his stillborn twin brother) and contains nothing but the truth, as proven by a lie detector test [3];
16. Dr Hinton is in possession of Elvis memorabilia such as a pair of cufflinks presented to Elvis by his former girlfriend Ann-Margret and pajamas given to him by Muhammad Ali[4];
17. A half-sister of Elvis' named Eliza Alice Presley has stepped forward to confirm the existence of "Jesse", as proven by DNA tests [5];
18. All photographs taken at the death scene have mysteriously disappeared, as have the toxicology reports;[citation needed]
19. Elvis' valuable jewellery and photographs of Priscilla Presley and Lisa Marie Presley were missing from Graceland [6].[citation needed]
Both ETAs and the belief that Presley still lives figure into the story of Bubba Ho-tep, which features him living in a Texas nursing home after switching lives with a Presley impersonator (Presley goes so far as to make a living "impersonating" himself). According to the movie, it was the impersonator who died in 1977, but the documentation of the switch was accidentally destroyed, preventing Presley from ever reclaiming his "real" life.[citation needed]
There was even a television show about the life and death of Presley, called 'The Elvis Files' "endeavoring to present" evidence for the possibility that Presley is still alive. Some people believe that they had seen 'the King', and handwriting experts declare that they have seen notes written by Presley after his demise. A background of spooky music accompanied all of the testimonies." Although "the evidence presented on that program was extremely weak," it convinced 79 percent of the viewers who cast their votes to believe Presley is still alive.
Television shows have also been used to demonstrate the comic element of the situation. One such example was the BBC television show called Give My Head Peace. A Christmas special entitled "The King and I"[19] featured a plot line of Presley saving one of the characters (Andy) from a very dangerous situation. After telling his friends the story, everyone is convinced that he is suffering from mental illness and in a bid to save him from the psychiatric ward, Mervyn (Andy's friend) takes him to Graceland to show him Presley's grave and shock him back to reality. The plan backfires and Andy insists on digging up Presley's coffin to check inside. After being chased back to Belfast, Mervyn is shocked into believing Andy in a comedy ending when Presley himself (played by impersonator Martin Fox[20]) pops around to check if Andy is okay. Rock band Living Colour took their own humorous jab at the situation with their song Elvis is Dead on the album Time's Up.
The doctors who performed the autopsy of Presley have also commented on the situation. "Now in an autopsy, the doctor removes and examines the heart, the brain, and various other essential internal organs. To get to these essential organs, the doctor has to do various cuts and incisions. To quote the doctor, 'If he wasn't dead before I did the autopsy, he sure was afterwards!'"[21]
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
Amen...I have always BeLIEved that Michael was here for this mission in the end...
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
Amen...I have always BeLIEved that Michael was here for this mission in the end...
Bless you both, Victoria and RK....I think you may be right.
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
Amen...I have always BeLIEved that Michael was here for this mission in the end...
Bless you both, Victoria and RK....I think you may be right.
ad another one to the list ;)
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Hi guys...
sorry i only read the first and last page of this thread because there's really a lot to analyse. However, am I the only to have the feeling that this is all too crazy?? I'm a beLIEver and I wouldn't be suprised that Elvis faked his death too. But apparently, it wasn't for the same reason than Michael and a come back was never planned. When i read that Elvis should come back soon even if its not a physical way...it sounds so crazy to me. Wh would he stay 30 years hidden and would suddenly want to tell the world he s alive? What's the point?Why would he have faked his death then?
About the numerology, I feel like some poeple are going too far too. Sometimes I even have to laugh because it sounds so exagerated. I mean, for sure, dates and numbers have a meaning in this hoax, but some analysis of fans really give the feeling that they have a number in mind, and they do anything to come to that result. with numbers, it is easy.I am fascinated by this hoax and the clues to find, I just wish it wouldnt go so often in crazy directions....we should really stick to what is OBVIOUS.
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
I agree...I strongly believe this is Michael's most important message to the world and he wants us sleepy ones to have a chance. This has opened my eyes to NWO, Illuminati, corrupt governments & the corrupt music industry, however, what's most relevant for me is to learn about the Bible and God.
The Bible reveals that the time is near when God will eliminate the wicked world during his war of Armageddon. This will make way for a righteaous new world (Revelation 16:14-16).
What is happening to our world? It truly is beyond reform and there is NO government that can save it but God's kingdom, He will replace them all and then there will be paradise on earth (Daniel 2:44).
L.O.V.E.
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27-2
19-23
27-30
47
Psalm 27:2 (King James Version)
2 When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
Daniel 2:19-23 (King James Version)
23 I thank thee, and praise thee, O thou God of my fathers, who hast given me wisdom and might, and hast made known unto me now what we desired of thee: for thou hast now made known unto us the king's matter.
Daniel 2:27-30 (King James Version)
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
29 As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.
30 But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.
Daniel 2:47 (King James Version)
47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
http://www.biblegateway.com (http://www.biblegateway.com)
Thank you very much Souza as I am not all that Bible literate.
I also believe all is relevant. 8-)
Dear Ladies,
I would like to take a shot in guessing over the TS cifred codes. I also googled the given numbers and, like you, I found the most relevant some Bible excerpts:
You are here: God >> The Bible >> Matthew 27-2
34 The soldiers gave him wine mixed with bitter gall, but when he had tasted it, he refused to drink it.
35 After they had nailed him to the cross, the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice.*1
36 Then they sat around and kept guard as he hung there.
37 A signboard was fastened to the cross above Jesus' head, announcing the charge against him. It read: "This is Jesus, the King of the Jews."
38 Two criminals were crucified with him, their crosses on either side of his.
39 And the people passing by shouted abuse, shaking their heads in mockery.
40 "So! You can destroy the Temple and build it again in three days, can you? Well then, if you are the Son of God, save yourself and come down from the cross!"
41 The leading priests, the teachers of religious law, and the other leaders also mocked Jesus.
42 "He saved others," they scoffed, "but he can't save himself! So he is the king of Israel, is he? Let him come down from the cross, and we will believe in him!
43 He trusted God--let God show his approval by delivering him! For he said, `I am the Son of God.' "
44 And the criminals who were crucified with him also shouted the same insults at him.
45 At noon, darkness fell across the whole land until three o'clock.
46 At about three o'clock, Jesus called out with a loud voice, "[Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?]" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"*2
47 Some of the bystanders misunderstood and thought he was calling for the prophet Elijah.
48 One of them ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, holding it up to him on a stick so he could drink.
49 But the rest said, "Leave him alone. Let's see whether Elijah will come and save him."*3
50 Then Jesus shouted out again, and he gave up his spirit.
51 At that moment the curtain in the Temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, rocks split apart,4
52 and tombs opened. The bodies of many godly men and women who had died were raised from the dead5
53 after Jesus' resurrection. They left the cemetery, went into the holy city of Jerusalem, and appeared to many people.*6
54 The Roman officer and the other soldiers at the crucifixion were terrified by the earthquake and all that had happened. They said, "Truly, this was the Son of God!"
55 And many women who had come from Galilee with Jesus to care for him were watching from a distance.
56 Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary (the mother of James and Joseph), and Zebedee's wife, the mother of James and John.
57 As evening approached, Joseph , a rich man from Arimathea who was one of Jesus' followers,
58 went to Pilate and asked for Jesus' body. And Pilate issued an order to release it to him.
59 Joseph took the body and wrapped it in a long linen cloth.
60 He placed it in his own new tomb, which had been carved out of the rock. Then he rolled a great stone across the entrance as he left.
61 Both Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting nearby watching.
62 The next day--on the first day of the Passover ceremonies*--the leading priests and Pharisees went to see Pilate.7
63 They told him, "Sir, we remember what that deceiver once said while he was still alive: `After three days I will be raised from the dead.'
64 So we request that you seal the tomb until the third day. This will prevent his disciples from coming and stealing his body and then telling everyone he came back to life! If that happens, we'll be worse off than we were at first."
65 Pilate replied, "Take guards and secure it the best you can."
66 So they sealed the tomb and posted guards to protect it.
Matthew 19-23
19 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 20 The young man said to Him, “All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 27-30
They spit on him, and took the staff and struck him on the head again and again.
Genesis 47
1 Joseph went and told Pharaoh, "My father and brothers, with their flocks and herds and everything they own, have come from the land of Canaan and are now in Goshen." 2 He chose five of his brothers and presented them before Pharaoh.
3 Pharaoh asked the brothers, "What is your occupation?"
"Your servants are shepherds," they replied to Pharaoh, "just as our fathers were."
4 They also said to him, "We have come to live here awhile, because the famine is severe in Canaan and your servants' flocks have no pasture. So now, please let your servants settle in Goshen."
5 Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Your father and your brothers have come to you, 6 and the land of Egypt is before you; settle your father and your brothers in the best part of the land. Let them live in Goshen. And if you know of any among them with special ability, put them in charge of my own livestock."
7 Then Joseph brought his father Jacob in and presented him before Pharaoh. After Jacob blessed [a] Pharaoh, 8 Pharaoh asked him, "How old are you?"
9 And Jacob said to Pharaoh, "The years of my pilgrimage are a hundred and thirty. My years have been few and difficult, and they do not equal the years of the pilgrimage of my fathers." 10 Then Jacob blessed Pharaoh and went out from his presence.
11 So Joseph settled his father and his brothers in Egypt and gave them property in the best part of the land, the district of Rameses, as Pharaoh directed. 12 Joseph also provided his father and his brothers and all his father's household with food, according to the number of their children.
Joseph and the Famine
13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh's palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, "Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is used up."
16 "Then bring your livestock," said Joseph. "I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone." 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, "We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes—we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate."
20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh's, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, [c] from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23 Joseph said to the people, "Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children."
25 "You have saved our lives," they said. "May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh."
26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt—still in force today—that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh's.
27 Now the Israelites settled in Egypt in the region of Goshen. They acquired property there and were fruitful and increased greatly in number.
28 Jacob lived in Egypt seventeen years, and the years of his life were a hundred and forty-seven. 29 When the time drew near for Israel to die, he called for his son Joseph and said to him, "If I have found favor in your eyes, put your hand under my thigh and promise that you will show me kindness and faithfulness. Do not bury me in Egypt, 30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me where they are buried."
"I will do as you say," he said.
31 "Swear to me," he said. Then Joseph swore to him, and Israel worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff. [d]
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Nonetheless, I noticed that the last code, 47, isn’t specifically determined or result-conditionned like the previous ones, so I took a deeper look into it and I found a possible interesting theory regarding the numerological aspects and importance of number 47. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/47_(number)))
I also bumped into the so-called 47 SOCIETY, which is dedicated to exploring the phenomenon that is 47 (http://www.47.net/47society/ (http://www.47.net/47society/) ). They base their theories on the following initial data:
What is 47?
In short, 47 appears to be the quintessential random number of the universe. In other words, when a number appears randomly, more often than not, that number is 47. In other other words, if you asked people to pick a number at random, more often than not, that number would be 47. Of course, if 47 shows up more than any other number then it isn't truly random, but using the word random makes the whole phenomenon easier to describe.
What is a "47 Sighting"?
Anytime you notice the number 47 anywhere in your life or in the world (or elsewhere). There are a variety of interpretations as to what constitutes a bona fide "47 Sighting." Whatever your definition, we encourage you to share your 47 sightings and stories with the 47 Society Mailing List.
What is the 47 Society?
The 47 Society is an international interest-group that follows the occurence and recurrence of the quintessential random number: 47. Many suspect that the coincidental nature of 47 carries some mystical, metaphysical and/or scientific significance.
The phenomenon may have first been documented at Pomona College in 1964, when Professor Donald Bentley proved that all numbers are equal to 47. Coincidentally, 47 seems to occur on or near the college campus with amazing frquency, even by enthusiast standards.
But make no mistake: 47 is everywhere and people were noticing it long before 1964. The 47 Society Web Site is the global source for 47 information.
Aren't You Just Seeing 47 More Because You're Looking For It?
No.
Still not convinced? Try this simple experiment. Pick another number. For the next three to six months keep your eyes open for both. 47 will show up more. If you find out otherwise, please let us know!
What's The Pomona College Connection?
In the 1960's, Pomona College's Professor Donald Bentley completed a mathematical proof that stated that all numbers were equal, therefore all numbers were equal to 47. Since then, students at Pomona have been quietly indoctrinated in the ways of 47. Some believe, some doubt. But it is listed in the student handbook right after "Glee Club". At this date, we have been unable to obtain a copy of Professor Bentley's proof, however, 1968 Pomona Alumnus Wayne Phillips corroborates its existence.
What's the Star Trek Connection?
A Pomona College alum has been a writer and producer for the various Star Trek TV shows and films. He indoctrinated the other writers several years ago (while writing for Star Trek: The Next Generation). Since then, nearly every Star Trek episode has included some mention of 47. Some "Trekkies" have put together their own excellent pages dedicated to these 47s. Since these are more frequent and deliberate than randomly-occurring 47s, we generally discuss only the most cosmically significant of these sightings in our own forums. Kirk would have wanted it this way
What about OTHER numbers?
Our research indicates that numbers have lives of their own. 47 appears to be the most playful number, frequently showing up in unusual and/or surprising ways. Other numbers have their own characteristics, and we have heard heated testimonials from followers of some of these numbers, including 3, 11, 19, 23 and 42.
Keep this in mind: 47-spotting is fun. There is no need to make 47 your favorite or lucky number in order to appreciate its synchronicitious ways. Just relax, observe 47 as it reveals to you, and share your experience with the 47 Society.
So does this have any connection to Michael? A very brief research revealed the following interesting data:
MICHAEL Jackson's doctor Conrad Murray was accused of spending 47 minutes phoning another medic, a lawyer and a mystery associate after the star stopped breathing.
Michael Jackson bought the Beatles catalogue for $47.5 million in 1985
Over the course of his solo career, Jackson charted 47 singles on the Billboard Hot 100, 13 of which went to No.1
Michael Jackson and Akon - Hold My Hand (47 pictures of This Is It)
Michael Jackson - ABC Video | duration 2:47
Michael Jackson - Streetwalker 5:47
Michael Jackson - In the Closet 4:47
Heaven Can Wait 4:47
Invicible 4:47
Can this be significat in any way?
LOVE,
Andy
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I chose Daniel because it was under the part about Michael and Daniel. Although TS distracted us a little by posting something else in between, it's still under that title.
I chose the psalm because it just made major sense.
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I chose Daniel because it was under the part about Michael and Daniel. Although TS distracted us a little by posting something else in between, it's still under that title.
I chose the psalm because it just made major sense.
I agree with you, Souza. I think all of it is referring to Daniel. The only part I would differ with you on would be the psalm. Since Daniel is the 27th book of the Bible, I think TS meant Daniel 2:19-23, 27-30, and 47.
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I chose Daniel because it was under the part about Michael and Daniel. Although TS distracted us a little by posting something else in between, it's still under that title.
I chose the psalm because it just made major sense.
I agree with you, Souza. I think all of it is referring to Daniel. The only part I would differ with you on would be the psalm. Since Daniel is the 27th book of the Bible, I think TS meant Daniel 2:19-23, 27-30, and 47.
Oh, hahaha, that makes sense... I am not that familiar with the bible. Yet the psalm makes a lot of sense ;)
But in this case it really should be Daniel.
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Oh God, I am so nervous today, it's gonna be very hard, with all the media reminding me that he might be dead though.
But no influence from the outside can change what I know - that he's alive.
It's hard though to go through this terrible day :cry:
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Hello all,
I've been following all the forums, discussions and updates for the past month even though I'm not interacting with everybody.
I only had a thought to share with everybody. If we read the DOTS for the update 6, we see TIME DOTS, as people have already explained earlier. But when I look at which time the update 6 was posted, we can see that it is at 3:16. Right away, i thought of:
John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Could this be part of Michael's message, that we have to believe Our Lord God and True Savior Jesus Christ to be saved and Michael wants us to spread that message. Don't forget that Jesus always talked about Loving our neighbor.
God Bless all
This is very interesting. Another great connection.
You are all amazing people :)
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Lately we've been looking at connecting the dots and when I was watching the movie 2012 again with some friends tonight, I heard this for the first time. In the movie, Dr Helmsley talks of the scientist from India who perished and that He was the man who connected all the dots. Then he went on to say open the doors so others can get on board the ark and be saved.
Was Mike the man who connected all the dots and realized that the only way to wake humanity up enmass was to hoax His death to get their attention. So they could be saved? I'm sorry to get preachy, but I'm thinking of a scripture in Mathew chapter 24 verse 14
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
Mike said it's all of LOVE. Is this the reason for the hoax. He loves and cares so much that He wants everyone to have that chance?
I agree...I strongly believe this is Michael's most important message to the world and he wants us sleepy ones to have a chance. This has opened my eyes to NWO, Illuminati, corrupt governments & the corrupt music industry, however, what's most relevant for me is to learn about the Bible and God.
The Bible reveals that the time is near when God will eliminate the wicked world during his war of Armageddon. This will make way for a righteaous new world (Revelation 16:14-16).
What is happening to our world? It truly is beyond reform and there is NO government that can save it but God's kingdom, He will replace them all and then there will be paradise on earth (Daniel 2:44).
L.O.V.E.
I agree. Thumbs up! Only God can be the one who overturn this wicked government system.
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Hi all... I typed "thisisalsoit.com" and ended up here, in this tread, on the message that we have to try to make it a trending topic on twitter today...
so, hi! *wave* im new here...
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Hi all... I typed "thisisalsoit.com" and ended up here, in this tread, on the message that we have to try to make it a trending topic on twitter today...
so, hi! *wave* im new here...
Welcome! :)
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A recent article by TMZ (see below) brought a new piece of information to the hoax, namely that "when (Michael) Jackson was taken to the UCLA Medical Center on June 25, he was admitted under the alias, Soule Shaun."
Joe Jackson's Wrongful Death Lawsuit
Originally posted Jun 25th 2010 5:30 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
UPDATE: The wrongful death lawsuit has been stamped by the federal clerk.
TMZ has obtained Joe Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit against Dr. Conrad Murray that Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, will file today -- Joe asks for unspecified damages in connection with the death of Michael Jackson. And, the lawsuit lists Katherine Jackson and Michael's three kids as "nominal" plaintiffs.
The lawsuit does not name AEG, though Oxman has alleged the company that produced "This Is It" was at least partly responsible for Jackson's death.
Oxman does not explain what he means when he lists Katherine and MJ's kids as "nominal" plaintiffs. He clearly does not have authority to sue on behalf of the children.
According to the suit, "Mr. Jackson believes there are other parties responsible for Michael Jackson's death but has not yet gathered sufficient information regarding their potential liability or responsibility." The suit says the complaint will be amended when sufficient info is gathered.
TMZ obtained a copy of the complaint, which will be filed in federal court this morning. In the complaint, Joe alleges Dr. Murray withheld vital information from the doctors and EMTs who were trying to save Jackson's life -- information that he had administered Propofol.
The complaint -- much like the intent to sue document TMZ first broke -- states that Murray tried to "clean-up the scene" before EMTs arrived.
Something new ... Murray told cops he was monitoring Michael when he gave him Propofol with a pulse oximeter, which measures the level of oxygen in a patient's blood. But according to the suit, when police searched the scene, they found the oximeter "in the closet in the next room."
The complaint alleges Dr. Murray felt he could change his story -- from Jackson had no drug problem, to Jackson was addicted to Propofol -- because he kept no medical records, as required by California law.
The complaint alleges Joe Jackson has suffered more than $75,000 in damages, the minimum amount required to get jurisdiction in federal court. The case was filed in federal -- not California court -- because Dr. Murray's residence is outside the state.
The suit claims Dr. Murray administered a "polypharmacy" of drugs to Jackson for months before his death.
Interestingly, Oxman does not allege in the lawsuit -- like he did in the notice to sue -- that Dr. Murray was at a strip club, drinking, hours before Jackson died.
The complaint says Jackson had a week pulse while he was being worked on at UCLA. The strong intimation -- had Dr. Murray told UCLA doctors that Propofol was a factor, they could have taken steps to save Jackson's life.
And something else that's interesting. It was widely reported that Joe Jackson introduced Michael to Dr. Murray in Las Vegas, after Jackson needed a doctor for his children in 2006. But in the lawsuit, it says, "Defendants Murray, Acres Home (Murray's clinic in Houston) and Global (Murray's clinic in Nevada) solicited Michael Jackson to take care of his individual health needs."
And this sidenote -- When Jackson was taken to the UCLA Medical Center on June 25, he was admitted under the alias, Soule Shaun.
And whilst this is not directly related to this latest TS update, I wanted to draw people's attention to something TS Said regarding the possibility of a dead body having been used in the hoax - see text highlighted in purple bold below
4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax
In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?
I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?
Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.
This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.
Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... c-arrest/; (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/;) http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... -911-call/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/)}
TS has mentioned a number of times that there were few people on the hoax and the above clearly implies that a real human corpse was used in the hoax... one more piece of the hoax has been unveiled. :D
With L.O.V.E
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A recent article by TMZ (see below) brought a new piece of information to the hoax, namely that "when (Michael) Jackson was taken to the UCLA Medical Center on June 25, he was admitted under the alias, Soule Shaun."
Joe Jackson's Wrongful Death Lawsuit
Originally posted Jun 25th 2010 5:30 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
UPDATE: The wrongful death lawsuit has been stamped by the federal clerk.
TMZ has obtained Joe Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit against Dr. Conrad Murray that Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, will file today -- Joe asks for unspecified damages in connection with the death of Michael Jackson. And, the lawsuit lists Katherine Jackson and Michael's three kids as "nominal" plaintiffs.
The lawsuit does not name AEG, though Oxman has alleged the company that produced "This Is It" was at least partly responsible for Jackson's death.
Oxman does not explain what he means when he lists Katherine and MJ's kids as "nominal" plaintiffs. He clearly does not have authority to sue on behalf of the children.
According to the suit, "Mr. Jackson believes there are other parties responsible for Michael Jackson's death but has not yet gathered sufficient information regarding their potential liability or responsibility." The suit says the complaint will be amended when sufficient info is gathered.
TMZ obtained a copy of the complaint, which will be filed in federal court this morning. In the complaint, Joe alleges Dr. Murray withheld vital information from the doctors and EMTs who were trying to save Jackson's life -- information that he had administered Propofol.
The complaint -- much like the intent to sue document TMZ first broke -- states that Murray tried to "clean-up the scene" before EMTs arrived.
Something new ... Murray told cops he was monitoring Michael when he gave him Propofol with a pulse oximeter, which measures the level of oxygen in a patient's blood. But according to the suit, when police searched the scene, they found the oximeter "in the closet in the next room."
The complaint alleges Dr. Murray felt he could change his story -- from Jackson had no drug problem, to Jackson was addicted to Propofol -- because he kept no medical records, as required by California law.
The complaint alleges Joe Jackson has suffered more than $75,000 in damages, the minimum amount required to get jurisdiction in federal court. The case was filed in federal -- not California court -- because Dr. Murray's residence is outside the state.
The suit claims Dr. Murray administered a "polypharmacy" of drugs to Jackson for months before his death.
Interestingly, Oxman does not allege in the lawsuit -- like he did in the notice to sue -- that Dr. Murray was at a strip club, drinking, hours before Jackson died.
The complaint says Jackson had a week pulse while he was being worked on at UCLA. The strong intimation -- had Dr. Murray told UCLA doctors that Propofol was a factor, they could have taken steps to save Jackson's life.
And something else that's interesting. It was widely reported that Joe Jackson introduced Michael to Dr. Murray in Las Vegas, after Jackson needed a doctor for his children in 2006. But in the lawsuit, it says, "Defendants Murray, Acres Home (Murray's clinic in Houston) and Global (Murray's clinic in Nevada) solicited Michael Jackson to take care of his individual health needs."
And this sidenote -- When Jackson was taken to the UCLA Medical Center on June 25, he was admitted under the alias, Soule Shaun.
And whilst this is not directly related to this latest TS update, I wanted to draw people's attention to something TS Said regarding the possibility of a dead body having been used in the hoax - see text highlighted in purple bold below
4-37. Hints on the “How’s” of the Hoax
In this update, I have gone into great detail about the timing of the hoax (as well as a few other aspects). Previously, I have gone into great detail about the reasons for the hoax {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. That leaves only one frontier remaining: how did MJ succeed in pulling off this massive hoax?
I’m not going to go into great detail on that now, it would be very long—and this update is already the longest update by far. But I will give some hints, to help you go in the right direction if you want to investigate it further.
For starters, maybe it is time to create a sub-forum for Coherent Theories. By this, I mean theories that start putting all the pieces together, fitting into one bigger picture. But we can’t have MJ hopping on a plane at LAX, escaping out of a tunnel in the basement of UCLA, and riding alive in the helicopter to the coroner’s office, as well as in the other helicopter—all at the same time. This would not qualify as a coherent theory.
I think we already have a huge clue from Jermaine, telling us that MJ went to the “airport”—NOT the hospital. And in fact, it would’ve been very risky and unnecessary for him to ride alive in the ambulance to UCLA, and then go into UCLA where he could be easily recognized (and hard to play dead), and then try to escape somehow. What would be the point?
Based on the planned timing of the hoax, we should now be able to see very plainly that the living MJ body double theory doesn’t work. There is no chance that a living double just happened to die on the right year, the right day, and the right hour.
This leaves us with three possibilities. There was no body at all, which would require quite a few people to be “in on it”. There was a dummy, not a real human; this reduces the number of people “in on it”, and also makes it easy to duplicate the looks of MJ (but paramedics would need to be “in on it”, because they would not be fooled by a dummy). Or there was a real human corpse, which had recently died. In fact, at different times and places, there could’ve been more than one corpse and/or dummy used as needed.
Considering the corpse possibility: do you remember anything about the room being heated extra warm—in the summer of all times {http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/26/jackson-time-of-death-a-mystery/}? Maybe the room was heated to make the corpse feel warm, like it had just died. And do you remember the paramedics saying that MJ had been dead for more than an hour before they arrived—and also that they did not realize it was MJ, and thought it looked like an old man? {http://www.tmz.com/2009/07/27/paramedics-jackson-dead-when-we-arrived/; http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-j ... c-arrest/; (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/;) http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-j ... -911-call/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/26/michael-jackson-the-911-call/)}
TS has mentioned a number of times that there were few people on the hoax and the above clearly implies that a real human corpse was used in the hoax... one more piece of the hoax has been unveiled. :D
With L.O.V.E
I agree, it's just logic. It could be someone that knew he would die and wanted to be plastified by Gunther von Hagen and agreed on Mike 'using' it before Gunther would turn him into a piece of art. We still have this article posted by TMZ:
Michael Jackson's Body -- Hold the Plastic
Originally posted Jun 27th 2009 8:21 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
While it may seem like the kind of thing Michael Jackson would do, reports that the late singer made plans to have himself "plastinated" and put on display are exaggerated.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/06/27/0627_michael_jackson_body_worlds_getty_80028891_88656575.jpg)
The director of publicity for Dr. Gunther von Hagens tells TMZ someone claiming to be from Jackson's management team did contact BODY WORLDS several months ago about Jackson's interest in being preserved in plastic.
But, she says, "We can further confirm that Mr. Jackson is not now a registered body donor in the Institute for Plastination's Body Donation Program."
http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/michael-j ... e-plastic/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/27/michael-jacksons-body-hold-the-plastic/)
So Mike called Body Worlds with interest, but clearly not for himself ;)
To me this would be a logical explanation.
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"Always great to sing with my brother" is on the TII CD/DVD.
Very odd because i didn't see a duet with one of his *real brothers* or another male singer.
The meaning of the word brother could also be a very good friend, pal, buddy.
Could it have been a sick person that was working for/with Michael, perhaps as a double or stand-in.
That this *brother* was in This Is It doing some scenes as Michael.
And that this *brother* was the real dead person on 25/6.
I think that only a small group around Michael knew about his plans for hoaxing his death.
Katherine was in on it, but Joe?
Chappie
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:P Wow is all I can say!! I haven't been here much in the last wee while not for lack of want of being here, as I so do, and I truly believe MJ You are alive and 'I love You More' each day!! It's been a time thing and I am sorry about that but I did check in briefly but yes I am back today and love everyone so much and can't thank You all enough for Your great site great people great information and discussion and Of course all our solid belief MJ You are alive and we all believe, after all we all wouldn't have typed those words into the net or however it came to be we found ourselves here and come here in the first place, well I know that is how I got here because I believed MJ You are alive and I came here and found like minds filled with much belief, strength and love for You MJ!!
Thanks TS and everyone here and MO and Souza for all You do have done and continue to do , I find everything so informing and like the feel of being apart of a big MJ family, as being here in New Zealand , I know no MJ fans except a couple of us that believe You MJ are alive , and I guess due to us being way smaller in size compared to a lot of other places, no news re MJ alive comes way of general media or any media , so hence You guys- Souza and MO and TS, You and everyone here are a major source of valued and valuable contact for me and I so truly appreciate it all and even seeing that TMZ mentioned well have a link to MJ hoax Death on website , i couldn't help but feel proud of YOuguys what You have created MO Souza all here TS and that I was a part of something so strong in our belief and love of MJ and that we are proud to say openly we belief In You MJ!!
Thanks again so much MO and Souza for allowing this to continue and Your time and dedication in sourcing and putting this all togethe,r and same to You TS for all You do , combined with everyone elses' great ideas here and thoughts and comments. It's great to feel that you have a valid place to go that validates all we believe and more as through a collaborative effort a lot of new info is sought out , found and shared. So thanks and big ups to everyone!!
'I love You More' take care and "It's all for love' L.O.V.E!!
love always and forever
Michelle
New Zealand
xoxoxo :P ;)
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GINAFELICIA wrote
Oh God, I am so nervous today, it's gonna be very hard, with all the media reminding me that he might be dead though.
But no influence from the outside can change what I know - that he's alive.
It's hard though to go through this terrible day :cry:
I think we shouldn't forget TS post from TIAI Update #5b: DO you Think 4 your Self?
about BAM:
However, although I do not want anyone to get their hopes up very high, there is a realistic possibility of the bam coming in June or July. Again, any day could be the bam day; and as many have stated, maybe MJ will bam on a day least expected. Yet I do not expect a bam before June at the soonest.
There are three or four interesting dates in June, including the 26th—which is a full moon, the anniversary of Elvis’s last concert (Indianapolis), and only one day after the MJ “death” anniversary. July 4 is also a distinct possibility, which has already been mentioned by me and others. But again, please don’t get your hopes up very much; just wait and see, and if there’s no bam don’t lose faith—remember that Jermaine said: “It’s all going to come out” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd0SoaOe-cs}. Until then, keep the faith no matter what happens!!!
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Oh My God!! Thanks to TS for all your efforts. We really appreciate everything you are doing to keep us here.
I have to say that, I had been a little sad this past weekend, since it was MJ's One year anniversary of being "DEAD". And it was so overwhelming to see how in some TV channels, they had people talking about Michael, how they knew him and all, and they knew that He had a problem with drugs, etc. However, what made even madder was the fact that, Where were all this people??? Why his so called friends did not help him?? And now, we the believers, the ones that LOVE MJ with all our hearts, are gathered here together, because we have never stopped believing in Michael, because we have not lost our faith in him and what he is doing. We do not need for Micahel to give us money, make money for us, because we have loved Michael for whom he is, Th beautiful soul and angel face, and the LOVE he has for us, is what we care the most. I have to admit that some times I despair about this whole "Michael Javkson hoaxed his death" or even worse," Michael Jackson was murdered". I become so sad and it might sound a bit crazy, but, I have felt that I have lost my faith, but then I come back and stronger when I see how many other people beLIEve as well. Most of the times I put the song "Will you be there", I and i realize that He is still with us.
MJ, maybe you did not think that you would raise an Army of Love like you are doing, but be sure that we are all here today and always because of you. Yua are teaching us a lesson, that LOVE conquers anything and everything. I have opened up my eyes andmy mind as to what is happening around the world, maybe it took for you to do all this for me and others to wake up, but, I know you have not waisted your time ,because, see? you got us!
And, it does not matter the amount or quantity of beLIEvers we have, the important thing is, that we beLIEve. Remeber, it is a similar situation as to ehn JESUS was trying to tell everybody who he was , and what would happen,and although not a lot of people belived in him, because they actually thought that he was a blasfemist, HE still had people who really belived in him and followed him until the end!! So, we LOVE YOU MORE!
Waiting for you to come back in your own time, and reporting once again to the troops of the ARMY OF LOVE,
coRY lOVES mj
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"We can further confirm that Mr. Jackson is not now a registered body donor in the Institute for Plastination's Body Donation Program."
If he is not now it´s may be because he already donated the body? :cry:
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Oh My God!! Thanks to TS for all your efforts. We really appreciate everything you are doing to keep us here.
I have to say that, I had been a little sad this past weekend, since it was MJ's One year anniversary of being "DEAD". And it was so overwhelming to see how in some TV channels, they had people talking about Michael, how they knew him and all, and they knew that He had a problem with drugs, etc. However, what made even madder was the fact that, Where were all this people??? Why his so called friends did not help him?? And now, we the believers, the ones that LOVE MJ with all our hearts, are gathered here together, because we have never stopped believing in Michael, because we have not lost our faith in him and what he is doing. We do not need for Micahel to give us money, make money for us, because we have loved Michael for whom he is, Th beautiful soul and angel face, and the LOVE he has for us, is what we care the most. I have to admit that some times I despair about this whole "Michael Javkson hoaxed his death" or even worse," Michael Jackson was murdered". I become so sad and it might sound a bit crazy, but, I have felt that I have lost my faith, but then I come back and stronger when I see how many other people beLIEve as well. Most of the times I put the song "Will you be there", I and i realize that He is still with us.
MJ, maybe you did not think that you would raise an Army of Love like you are doing, but be sure that we are all here today and always because of you. Yua are teaching us a lesson, that LOVE conquers anything and everything. I have opened up my eyes andmy mind as to what is happening around the world, maybe it took for you to do all this for me and others to wake up, but, I know you have not waisted your time ,because, see? you got us!
And, it does not matter the amount or quantity of beLIEvers we have, the important thing is, that we beLIEve. Remeber, it is a similar situation as to ehn JESUS was trying to tell everybody who he was , and what would happen,and although not a lot of people belived in him, because they actually thought that he was a blasfemist, HE still had people who really belived in him and followed him until the end!! So, we LOVE YOU MORE!
Waiting for you to come back in your own time, and reporting once again to the troops of the ARMY OF LOVE,
Cory Loves MJ, what a beautiful post,
You've just described my feelings about all of this!
I too had a couple of very bad days and I felt so bad about all the tributes and the beautiful words, all I could think of was the same as you felt: where were all those people back then? I'm so gratefull for all the efforts of the members on this forum to keep us on track and for all their time and dedication to find to truth about our greatest love on earth! Love to you
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Thank u TS sooo much!!!!! your post has made my day as usual, a very nice and hard job, looking forward to next updates and Cory Loves MJ i'm speechless by your post, absolutely agree with u, we-the soldiers of his L.O.V.E. army are the ones who have always supported and loved him unconditionally without asking for anything.
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For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”
Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it ...”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!
I might have another answer for this, I like to believe in the death hoax but I also have big doubts like this one.
It is very likely that Michael had thought already of his death, that can catch anybody suddenly.
In fact, he wrote his willing in the past, that shows he thought about it.
I think he might have left some instructions in case of death, maybe long time ago;
He might have said, if one day it will happen to me to die, I would like you to do this, and this.....
He obviously knew about Elvis roumors that actually feeds his legend still nowdays, and he could have thought to leave his legend to live longer and longer leaving a kind of mystery on it....this would explain why to use the Laberian girls pictures or some other mysterious stuffs happened after.
Or we can even be more evil and think the family and the managers did it on purpose for marketing goals...the more we have doubts, the more we talk about it, the more he's remebered and he sells...
I really hope I'm wrong, but that would explain everything almost...
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For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”
Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it ...”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!
I might have another answer for this, I like to believe in the death hoax but I also have big doubts like this one.
It is very likely that Michael had thought already of his death, that can catch anybody suddenly.
In fact, he wrote his willing in the past, that shows he thought about it.
I think he might have left some instructions in case of death, maybe long time ago;
He might have said, if one day it will happen to me to die, I would like you to do this, and this.....
He obviously knew about Elvis roumors that actually feeds his legend still nowdays, and he could have thought to leave his legend to live longer and longer leaving a kind of mystery on it....this would explain why to use the Laberian girls pictures or some other mysterious stuffs happened after.
Or we can even be more evil and think the family and the managers did it on purpose for marketing goals...the more we have doubts, the more we talk about it, the more he's remebered and he sells...
I really hope I'm wrong, but that would explain everything almost...
That doesn't explain the wrong name on the DC, the fact that Murray is ssztill walking free, the lack of emotions, the BS autopsy report (if he would really have died, I am sure he wanted the real autopsy to be leaked, so medicals could figure out the cause of death), the revocation of the will on January 28 (we haven't heard anything about that after that) the fact that the life insurance wasn't paid out, etc. etc.
I know where you're coming from, I have thought this one time months and months ago, but then I realized that's not a possibility.
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That doesn't explain the wrong name on the DC, the fact that Murray is ssztill walking free, the lack of emotions, the BS autopsy report (if he would really have died, I am sure he wanted the real autopsy to be leaked, so medicals could figure out the cause of death), the revocation of the will on January 28 (we haven't heard anything about that after that) the fact that the life insurance wasn't paid out, etc. etc.
I know where you're coming from, I have thought this one time months and months ago, but then I realized that's not a possibility.
Yes yes I agree and that's why i have hope about the whole thing! Especially about the insurance....
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um when you go in thru the emergency area i was wondering, i didn't think you were admitted unless the doctors decided to keep you there. :?
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I always knew that Elvis hoaxed his death. Michael is smart he know what to do:) I am just curious when will be BAM' s day:)
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hey all..its late here 2:31am..
hard time sleeping..anyways...
with the numbers TS left us
27-2
19-23
27-30
47
mind you half asleep..i put 1923 in search and came up with...
June 1923
Monday 18
Checker Cab puts its first taxi on the streets :shock: :shock:
July 1923
Friday 13:
The Hollywood Sign is officially dedicated in the hills above Hollywood, Los Angeles. It originally reads "Hollywoodland " but the four last letters are dropped after renovation in 1949.
HOLLYWOODLAND..GRACELAND..NEVERLAND!!! :shock: :shock:
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/1923/
huggs to all and keep the faith!!
suzz
off to bed again...
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What if Elvis and Michael recorded a song together and released this summer? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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^ If that so, I will be jumping and shouting like a crazy girl in my house! :lol: :lol:
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Ts, does it mean "Thread starter"??? Just athought because TS is the one who would normally start the threads and then we read and follow along. SO, TS, thanks for guiding us through this tunnel we are going through. Your identity matters to us just because we want to know if you see Michael, or if you are close to him so you can tell Him how much we care for him and how much we love him. Other than that, you are a genius just like our MJ is.
WITH L.O.V.E.
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
Connecting it to this makes sense
That little extended clip gives more insight then I think people realise. The term "to button shirt" in some countries actually means to die (kinda like the expression"pushing up daisies"). Now, as we all know Michael is a genius... If you take notice to when he says "I'm gonna button my shirt" he appears to be pushing his jacket together (as if buttoning it), but instead "unbuttons" the jacket and flings it right back open! (aka not dying!) So basically the act of him pushing the jacket together (as if buttoning it) symbolizes him faking his death because although he is saying it and appears to be doing it, in actuality he's not... If you get me (?). Everything we're witnessing seems to be one big illusion!
Then we have the clip of his feet at the total end of the movie (which is supposed to be from Moonwalker), but if you really look you can see that it was OBVIOUSLY remade, not to even mention that they added his laughter at the end... Uh, WHY? Lmao. Hmmm... Lets think, it's the END of the movie, so can we say that Michael is getting the LAST LAUGH?! ;) I can't help but to think of the Unbreakable lyrics: "When you BURY me underneath all your pain, I'm STEADY LAUGHIN!" *sigh* What a clever little man MJ is.
I don't know about you guys, but the entire ending of This Is It just sealed the deal for me. Just the fact that there is absolutely no reference to the major factor that Michael has "passed" doesn't sit well with me alone. We have that infamous "Love Lives Forever" line, where it clearly should have said "1958-2009". Call me crazy, but when a person dies who a film is being made about, or say it was their last film (if they're an actor) there is usually an "in memory of" or something of that nature, but with Michael we haven't gotten any of that! Not even an "RIP"?! Sorry, I just have a hard time buying it.
I think it's safe to say Michael is no fool, he knew only his true fans would stay for the total end of the credits to witness these things. They were clearly thrown in as friendly hints for us (what other purpose do they serve? I mean, really?). This way we can truly be apart of the "great adventure" and laugh at the rest of the world WITH Michael. Anyway, just my opinion.
or
After the credits:
MJ said,
"Let me breathe in my own time when I come back in...I'll unbutton my shirt. My jacket...waist. I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with em. Snap my finger maybe and BAM."
Now you guys...I'm really excited about this!!! My interpretation of what MJ is saying goes like this:
Let me breathe in my own time when I come back in = Let's let Michael step back and breathe.
I'll unbutton my shirt = He's going to relax. Take the shirt and jacket off MJ.
I'm gonna look around a little bit = Now previously, I thought MJ had said, "move" but he didn't. He said, "look." Which is even better. Because it means he is looking around. He's watching and observing. Remember, he looked left and right as he said this.
Play with em' = He is playing with everyone!! Except us of course. Hehe. I believe Michael is just sitting back and watching the media. Like he said...he is gonna play with them. Gosh I love Michael!!! <3
Snap my finger maybe and BAM = MJ will come back when he's ready and it is going to be BAM!! Can you guys think of a bigger surprise than MJ "dying?" I can! MJ coming back to life!! A hoax!! I really feel deep deep deep down in my heart that the love of my life is out there somewhere. He is not gone. I feel it. And I think he's coming back you guys.
Ch'mon...you don't think KO would put this in the film if there was no possibility. That would be cruel. He KNOWS MJ's fans are trying so hard to make sense of this. And MJ knows we are here too. That is why the clip was played at the very end. MJ knows only his truest fans would KNOW something was up and not wanna miss a thing. It was his message to US!! I truly believe it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uY_9y79I8M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uY_9y79I8M)
P.S. Here is what Michael once said,
"I've been through hell and back. I have. And still, I'm able to do what I do. And uh, nothing can stop me. No one can stop me. No matter what. I'll stop when I'm ready to stop."
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I´m thinking in this....
"... and maybe then BAM!..."
he say "MAYBE"... :cry:
I know he is alive, but comeback.... :roll: I hope and wish, but...
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I´m thinking in this....
"... and maybe then BAM!..."
he say "MAYBE"... :cry:
I know he is alive, but comeback.... :roll: I hope and wish, but...
Mike didn't say "... and maybe then BAM!" He said "snap my fingers maybe .... then BAM!" He's saying that maybe he'll snap his fingers, not maybe he'll BAM. It's all in the way it's said.
I still have complete belief in Michael staging a return and I'm no longer hung up on the WHEN anymore. I think things are "simmering" at the moment. And maybe the saying "a watched pot never boils" could be applied here :lol:
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"An introductory course".... More and more each day, I am beginning to realize just how true that statement may be. I have a gut feeling there are going to be more than a few regrets about dismissing the Elvis connection. Bear in mind it's just my opinion, but if we can agree that MJ most likely planned this years ago, then the fact that this hoax and the information on Elvis was breaking news almost simultaneously speaks volumes. It would seem we are not really the catalysts in this project; Michael himself envisioned this plan and connected all the dots on a scale that has not yet entered our minds. True, he is only human, but we can also agree that he operates on an intelligence level of which most of us can only dream, and it is unhindered by guile, and the result of an innate innocence and purity of heart.
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"An introductory course".... More and more each day, I am beginning to realize just how true that statement may be. I have a gut feeling there are going to be more than a few regrets about dismissing the Elvis connection.
I agree..
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True, he is only human, but we can also agree that he operates on an intelligence level of which most of us can only dream, and it is unhindered by guile, and the result of an innate innocence and purity of heart.
HE HAD THE TIME TO THINK ALL THIS TOO. HE HAD THE TIME TO OUT THINK THEM, THE MEDIA AND THE WORLD, NOT ONLY SONY... HE WAS IN THE HOUSE, lonely and depressed, using powerful drugs and anesthetics, leaving HIMD DIED OR WAS HE STUDYING EACH MOVEMENT OUT OF HIS HOUSE, OUT OF HIS BUBBLE AND WAITING FOR THE MOMENT ... BAM!
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
In numerology though, numbers are added up until you reach a single digit UNLESS the digits is doubled as in 11, 22, 33, 44 etc. these numbers are called master numbers. In all numerological charts that change the alphabet into numbers, they only have the numbers 1-9.
The word BAM when changed to numbers would be:
B = 2
A = 1
M = 4
Add them 1 + 2 + 4 = 7
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
In numerology though, numbers are added up until you reach a single digit UNLESS the digits is doubled as in 11, 22, 33, 44 etc. these numbers are called master numbers. In all numerological charts that change the alphabet into numbers, they only have the numbers 1-9.
The word BAM when changed to numbers would be:
B = 2
A = 1
M = 4
Add them 1 + 2 + 4 = 7
See you in July? What a shame he didn't mention the year :lol:
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
In numerology though, numbers are added up until you reach a single digit UNLESS the digits is doubled as in 11, 22, 33, 44 etc. these numbers are called master numbers. In all numerological charts that change the alphabet into numbers, they only have the numbers 1-9.
The word BAM when changed to numbers would be:
B = 2
A = 1
M = 4
Add them 1 + 2 + 4 = 7
See you in July? What a shame he didn't mention the year :lol:
I am so not concerned with the year of BAM? I just don't understand how that could be relevant when clearly he's trying to get people to think for themselves and not continue to be robots. There's so much going on in the world nowadays I just don't feel MJ's return is all that important. I know that he's alive and safe and that's what is important to me. Keep the Faith!
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Of course him being alive is what matters but the clues were left out there for some reason..
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
In numerology though, numbers are added up until you reach a single digit UNLESS the digits is doubled as in 11, 22, 33, 44 etc. these numbers are called master numbers. In all numerological charts that change the alphabet into numbers, they only have the numbers 1-9.
The word BAM when changed to numbers would be:
B = 2
A = 1
M = 4
Add them 1 + 2 + 4 = 7
See you in July? What a shame he didn't mention the year :lol:
I am so not concerned with the year of BAM? I just don't understand how that could be relevant when clearly he's trying to get people to think for themselves and not continue to be robots. There's so much going on in the world nowadays I just don't feel MJ's return is all that important. I know that he's alive and safe and that's what is important to me. Keep the Faith!
I think I have stated many times I don't care about the bam and that I care only for his message that needs to be spread worldwide. That doesn't mean we should take everything so serious. It was a joke.
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And maybe the saying "a watched pot never boils" could be applied here
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Never heard this one before, but that´s so true! :lol:
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Wow!It's possible!
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"Yeah, like Elvis right? LOL"
Exactly ;)
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july 16th is coming! please TS...tell us something (http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5949/00020.gif)
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/signs/smiley-vault-signs-096.gif)
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july 16th is coming! please TS...tell us something (http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5949/00020.gif)
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/signs/smiley-vault-signs-096.gif)
that would be so great ! i'm a bit lost :|
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Am I the only one who thinks this is too good to be true? Like with much of the hoax death, I find myself searching for reasons not to believe it rather than trying to "keep the faith". It makes so much sense that I'm starting to wonder if I'm crazy.
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I feel like this
[youtube:36a4b8zf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSxSQsspiQ&feature=related[/youtube:36a4b8zf]
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I feel like this
[youtube:p7t9agqc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWSxSQsspiQ&feature=related[/youtube:p7t9agqc]
Are you the old man metaphorically?
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Yes :lol:
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Even more like this
[youtube:3st06k2y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkn3wRyb9Bk&feature=related[/youtube:3st06k2y]
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B = 2
A = 1
M = 13
BAM = 2-1-13 (2nd of january 2013 or 1st of february 2013) ?
1)2+1+13=16;
1+6=7 :shock:
2)B.A.M.=born after murder?? or back after murder??
other theories??? :lol:
*LUNA*
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Not sure if it's already mentioned. If so, sorry for the double comment. I finally have my settings right, and TS posted this at 8:16 pm (August 16, Elvis' 'death' date). August 16th this year will be Elvis' 33rd 'death' anniversary.
8/16/2010 makes 18 (8+1+6+2+1) = 9/9 or 99
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Not sure if it's already mentioned. If so, sorry for the double comment. I finally have my settings right, and TS posted this at 8:16 pm (August 16, Elvis' 'death' date). August 16th this year will be Elvis' 33rd 'death' anniversary.
8/16/2010 makes 18 (8+1+6+2+1) = 9/9 or 99
i am sure he posted this at 7:16pm ....
LA NORMAL TIME = UTC-8
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Not sure if it's already mentioned. If so, sorry for the double comment. I finally have my settings right, and TS posted this at 8:16 pm (August 16, Elvis' 'death' date). August 16th this year will be Elvis' 33rd 'death' anniversary.
8/16/2010 makes 18 (8+1+6+2+1) = 9/9 or 99
i am sure he posted this at 7:16pm ....
LA NORMAL TIME = UTC-8
Yes, but you have to select the summer time as well. We are 9 hours ahead of LA, you 6 hours I guess. TS posted it on 8:16 pm.
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I think if Elvis is planning a BAM it is likely he would choose to do it 33 years after his "death". 33 is the Master Number in numerology and has a link to the Pleiades star system (also known as the Seven Sisters). As Souza has pointed out, the anniversary of Elvis' death this year (8/16/2010) adds up to the number 9/9 or 99, making it even more significant. It is no coincidence that the numbers 7 and 9 and references to the Pleiades star system have been a recurring theme in this hoax. Elvis Presley was (is) fascinated with numerology and studied it in depth. So too Michael Jackson. We have peeled away many layers of the "onion" over the past 12 months. Let's hope we're getting closer to the onion's core. Peace & Love to all, Emerald xo
For more in depth reading on the Pleiades and the significance of the number 33 take a look at
http://www.illuminati-news.com/33-degrees.htm (http://www.illuminati-news.com/33-degrees.htm). It's fascinating :D
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What if Elvis and Michael recorded a song together and released this summer? :shock: :shock: :shock:
That would be HUGE! *waiting eagerly" :o 8-)
@LUNA: Be A Mouse! :lol:
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What if Elvis and Michael recorded a song together and released this summer? :shock: :shock: :shock:
That would be HUGE! *waiting eagerly" :o 8-)
@LUNA: Be A Mouse! :lol:
Only here you can say those kinds of things and not sound absolutely insane. :lol:
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What if Elvis and Michael recorded a song together and released this summer? :shock: :shock: :shock:
That would be HUGE! *waiting eagerly" :o 8-)
@LUNA: Be A Mouse! :lol:
Only here you can say those kinds of things and not sound absolutely insane. :lol:
Exactly! That´s what I love... :P
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This is cool: :D
[youtube:1b5ytklt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdMs0qnkCPk[/youtube:1b5ytklt]
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This is cool: :D
[youtube:2milgq52]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdMs0qnkCPk[/youtube:2milgq52]
Sony content - not available here.. :|
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Aw! :(
Stupid Sony. :evil:
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Aw! :(
Stupid Sony. :evil:
too bad, i can see it, it's awesome :mrgreen:
MJ and Elvis singing together ! ;)
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To those who can't watch: Use www.hidemyass.com (http://www.hidemyass.com) ;)
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It was amazing, awesome, magical, OMG, i wish it were true, i got vibes while watching, it would have been a phenomena, a sensation.
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Little sister & Black or White - that´s spacy!
Thanks "hidemyass*. ;)
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It was amazing, awesome, magical, OMG, i wish it were true, i got vibes while watching, it would have been a phenomena, a sensation.
Well said MashMike, it's so amazing, i stopped breath for a minute..... :P
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Thank u Michelle ;) i'm afraid it's too good to be the truth, i wish one day.... :D
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Hello, guys!!!
Remember DOME Project?
Take a look at this:
DOME
TIME DOTS
Maybe DOME Project means.... Death Of ME Project or Deaths Of Michael & Elvis Project ..???
and
TIME = Trust In ME or Trust In Michael & Elvis ???
DOTS = ???
"TS" is part of the message...it's important. Maybe ...Death Of....who?...or what?
Any thoughts?
:?: :roll: :?:
L.O.V.E. y'a
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Hello, guys!!!
Remember DOME Project?
Take a look at this:
DOME
TIME DOTS
Maybe DOME Project means.... Death Of ME Project or Deaths Of Michael & Elvis Project ..???
and
TIME = Trust In ME or Trust In Michael & Elvis ???
DOTS = ???
"TS" is part of the message...it's important. Maybe ...Death Of....who?...or what?
Any thoughts?
:?: :roll: :?:
L.O.V.E. y'a
What I knew is that prepositions and conjunctions were not capitalized in acronyms..that's why I looked up on wikipedia and it says:
While typically abbreviations exclude the initials of short function words (such as "and", "or", "of", or "to"), they are sometimes included in acronyms to make them pronounceable. Sometimes the letters representing these words are written in lower case, such as in the cases of TfL (Transport for London) and LotR (Lord of the Rings). This usually occurs when the acronym represents a multi-word proper noun.
So according to this the "O" can't stand for "of" ;/
I like this part though:
Take a look at this:
DOME
TIME DOTS
^^
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Thanks Hazzely...You are right!
Anyway... I think that DO ME is the same in both cases. If we'll discover the message we'll have the chance to know what DOME Project was about or vice versa.
It seems that DOME Project is a part of a bigger one ;) ...the middle of it...
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Thanks Hazzely...You are right!
Anyway... I think that DO ME is the same in both cases. If we'll discover the message we'll have the chance to know what DOME Project was about or vice versa.
It seems that DOME Project is a part of a bigger one ;) ...the middle of it...
Don't know but maybe the DOME project had something to do with this: http://www.domeproject.org/ (http://www.domeproject.org/)
It makes a lot of sense.
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"Michael Jackson had finished filming a video for so-called "Dome Project" before he died, according to Associated Press. Filming for the project reportedly was held from June 1 to 9 and its post-production is expected to be completed next month. " (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025360.html (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025360.html))
"Michael Jackson finished an elaborate video production two weeks before he died. The five-week project filmed at Culver Studios, dubbed "Dome Project," could be the final finished video piece overseen by the King of Pop." (http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/dome-p ... ideo-death (http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/dome-project-michael-jackson-last-video-death))
http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-j ... 8959.story (http://www.billboard.com/news/michael-jackson-shot-3d-video-project-before-1003988959.story#/news/michael-jackson-shot-3d-video-project-before-1003988959.story)
Till now...we know nothing about this project...
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Hi, I mostly lurk on these boards. I'm quite shy like Michael. I belive in the Michael hoax and have been following along this past year. Also for some strange reason I've been drawn to Elvis for some strange reason.
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One sentence is sticking out to me:
I’m not sure if anyone noticed that the last half of “DOTS” is “TS”.
This was mentioned in the post, about half way through or so.
Seeing it this way, I read do ts. Anyone have thoughts on putting do ts together with other headlines, articles, etc.?
Do ts.......?
Blessings
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RE "DoMe"....I think of the Beatles song, "Love Me Do"
Love, Love Me Do
You Know I Love You
I'll Always Be True
So Please Love Me Do
Whoa Love Me Do
And the "black" text, I read as "IS IT"
Just another thought.................
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One sentence is sticking out to me:
I’m not sure if anyone noticed that the last half of “DOTS” is “TS”.
This was mentioned in the post, about half way through or so.
Seeing it this way, I read do ts. Anyone have thoughts on putting do ts together with other headlines, articles, etc.?
Do ts.......?
Blessings
I was thinking about this too. ;)
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Hello, guys!!!
Remember DOME Project?
Take a look at this:
DOME
TIME DOTS
Maybe DOME Project means.... Death Of ME Project or Deaths Of Michael & Elvis Project ..???
and
TIME = Trust In ME or Trust In Michael & Elvis ???
DOTS = ???
"TS" is part of the message...it's important. Maybe ...Death Of....who?...or what?
Any thoughts?
:?: :roll: :?:
L.O.V.E. y'a
What I knew is that prepositions and conjunctions were not capitalized in acronyms..that's why I looked up on wikipedia and it says:
While typically abbreviations exclude the initials of short function words (such as "and", "or", "of", or "to"), they are sometimes included in acronyms to make them pronounceable. Sometimes the letters representing these words are written in lower case, such as in the cases of TfL (Transport for London) and LotR (Lord of the Rings). This usually occurs when the acronym represents a multi-word proper noun.
So according to this the "O" can't stand for "of" ;/
I like this part though:
Take a look at this:
DOME
TIME DOTS
^^
Look here...viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11061&sid=68613329880d9fada85ccb846b23a2ee.. (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11061&sid=68613329880d9fada85ccb846b23a2ee..). we have "6-14 Dots Of TMZ Show"...so... "O" can stand for "of" ;)
TS=TOP SECRET...??? :)
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some connections.. TIME DOTS, 7.16pm PT = 8.16pm PDT (right?)
8/16/2010 --> 33 years after Elvis's 'Death'
8 + 1 = 9, 6 + 2 + 1 = 9
9 9 _9?_
9am/pm, Aug 16, can we expect a clue?
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some connections.. TIME DOTS, 7.16pm PT = 8.16pm PDT (right?)
8/16/2010 --> 33 years after Elvis's 'Death'
8 + 1 = 9, 6 + 2 + 1 = 9
9 9 _9?_
9am/pm, Aug 16, can we expect a clue?
That would be great.
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some connections.. TIME DOTS, 7.16pm PT = 8.16pm PDT (right?)
8/16/2010 --> 33 years after Elvis's 'Death'
8 + 1 = 9, 6 + 2 + 1 = 9
9 9 _9?_
9am/pm, Aug 16, can we expect a clue?
No, sorry, this is not correct.
PDT is abbreviation for Pacific Daylight Time.
PT is short for for Pacific Time in general.
They are the same thing.
The two Pacific times are PDT and PST (PST being Pacific Standard Time).
There is a 1 hour difference between PST and PDT.
"Daylight Savings Time goes into affect on the second Sunday March at 2am (local time) and reverts to Standard Time on the first Sunday in November. Clocks are moved ahead 1 hr in March and moved back 1 hr in November."
TS post was made June 16 7:16 pm PST
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
Post by TS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm
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some connections.. TIME DOTS, 7.16pm PT = 8.16pm PDT (right?)
8/16/2010 --> 33 years after Elvis's 'Death'
8 + 1 = 9, 6 + 2 + 1 = 9
9 9 _9?_
9am/pm, Aug 16, can we expect a clue?
No, sorry, this is not correct.
PDT is abbreviation for Pacific Daylight Time.
PT is short for for Pacific Time in general.
They are the same thing.
The two Pacific times are PDT and PST (PST being Pacific Standard Time).
There is a 1 hour difference between PST and PDT.
"Daylight Savings Time goes into affect on the second Sunday March at 2am (local time) and reverts to Standard Time on the first Sunday in November. Clocks are moved ahead 1 hr in March and moved back 1 hr in November."
TS post was made June 16 7:16 pm PST
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
Post by TS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm
I strongly disagree Serenity. I have my board set on PDT, and since this post was made on June 16, my settings are correct. TS made the post at 8:16 pm PDT.
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some connections.. TIME DOTS, 7.16pm PT = 8.16pm PDT (right?)
8/16/2010 --> 33 years after Elvis's 'Death'
8 + 1 = 9, 6 + 2 + 1 = 9
9 9 _9?_
9am/pm, Aug 16, can we expect a clue?
No, sorry, this is not correct.
PDT is abbreviation for Pacific Daylight Time.
PT is short for for Pacific Time in general.
They are the same thing.
The two Pacific times are PDT and PST (PST being Pacific Standard Time).
There is a 1 hour difference between PST and PDT.
"Daylight Savings Time goes into affect on the second Sunday March at 2am (local time) and reverts to Standard Time on the first Sunday in November. Clocks are moved ahead 1 hr in March and moved back 1 hr in November."
TS post was made June 16 7:16 pm PST
TIai update #6: Michael & Elvis, DOuble-bam This Summer?!?
Post by TS » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:16 pm
I strongly disagree Serenity. I have my board set on PDT, and since this post was made on June 16, my settings are correct. TS made the post at 8:16 pm PDT.
I was going by what was posted in the post I quoted I did not check the settings or anything like that. What I posted is correct as per the Pacific Time zones. I just don't have my time zone set at PDT but PST as I the board joined in the fall/winter and never changed it when summer came around.
So the time zone information is correct but the post was made at 8:16pm PDT as you said. I will change my settings now. :lol:
nevermind I found the little button... :lol:
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i found a site which speak about Michael and Elvis..
It's not very serious but nevertheless they speak about it :)
http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/20873/elvis-goes-to-graceland-with-mj/
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Thanks for the link Lilou, I wonder how accurate the info is? Shouldn't be long now and this whole thing is going to unravel! How exciting! :!: :o CHEERS!
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Not sure if it's already mentioned. If so, sorry for the double comment. I finally have my settings right, and TS posted this at 8:16 pm (August 16, Elvis' 'death' date). August 16th this year will be Elvis' 33rd 'death' anniversary.
8/16/2010 makes 18 (8+1+6+2+1) = 9/9 or 99
Just a thought here:
8/16/2010 makes 18 (8+1+6+2+1)
18 = 1+8 = 9
or
18 = 9+9 (9/9)
9/9/2010 is the day before Eliza's next court date (9/10/2010).
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Thank you, TS!
Thank you, Michael!
I love you and hope that you will return, MJ! Your BAM will be much crushing than even the air attack on the trade center. Whenever does it happen...
L.O.V.E.
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After 33 years of question and debate over whether Elvis Presley faked his death: we now have the strongest scientific proofs that he really did fake his death—and in fact, he is still alive to this very day!!!!!!!! And this is not based on some lunatic fantasy whims, that Elvis is living on a paradise island; no, this is documented evidence which is so strong, that it’s the basis for a legal case which is already in court. And to top it all off: there’s a good chance that this will all be hitting the news this summer!
PLEASE NOTE: for those who are too busy to read this entire article, at the very least read the first 2 sections (6-1 & 6-2). The 16 sections are all the redirections for http://www.ThisIsAlsoIt.com (TIAI) from June 1 to 16 (with additional details related to each redirect). If you are new to TIAI and the redirections, a few of the sections below might not make much sense; but don’t worry too much about that—if you have time later, you can read about TIAI in these TS posts {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}. great
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6-1 DNA and Other Scientific Evidence that Elvis Lives!
{http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/05/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-iv-what-does-it-all-mean.html}
Less than a month ago (on May 20, 2010), probate attorney Andrew W. Mayoras published the statements quoted in the next paragraph below, about the DNA evidence {for the full report, click the link above}. For those who are entirely new to all this: Eliza is the lady who discovered DNA evidence that she is the half-sister of Elvis Presley—and to top it all off, the DNA also proves that Elvis is still alive! Elvis lives in hiding, and has been going by the name “Jesse”—named after his twin brother, who was stillborn.
“These [DNA] reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as ‘Jesse’ are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive. Here’s a Memphis newspaper article about it {http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/oct/11/dna-lab-owner-elvis-is-not-dead/]}. … if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart? Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it’s not true — unless, of course, it IS true. … I’m sorry, but I just don’t buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam. As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.”
In addition to the DNA evidence, there are several other categories of evidence. The following video clip is a cross-fade from Elvis to Jesse, and the face remains the same {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdpMuybhfA8}. Section 6-4 (below) has this same picture, although it includes his whole body; and you can see Benjamin, the son of Lisa Marie Presley, sitting on Jesse’s lap.
Shirley Mason, a certified graphologist who worked for the Kansas City Bureau of Investigations for many years, analyzed letters from Elvis and from Jesse; her conclusion was that “she would testify in court, under oath, that Elvis ‘has to be ALIVE.’ She felt the handwriting was ‘UNMISTAKABLE’. The attorney general’s office cleared Dr. Hinton of all charges.” {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page3; http://www.estate-and-probate.com/michigan-probate-law/michigan-probate-law/the-elvis-presley-conspiracy-part-ii-the-background/; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}.
Dr. Hinton, just mentioned above, worked with Jesse for years. He also wrote a book, with the help of Jesse, titled: “The Truth About Elvis Aron Presley In His Own Words” {http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561676764/sr=1-1/qid=1257006537/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1257006537&sr=1-1&seller=#noop}. As a result of all this, Dr. Hinton was charged with fraud; but after investigation (including the graphologist, above), he was cleared of all charges. {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M}. Furthermore, FOX news said Dr. Hinton passed a lie detector test {at 1:11, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4}.
The above four categories (DNA, photographic, graphologist, and lie detector) are very strong scientific evidence that Jesse is truly Elvis, and therefore he did fake his death. Actually, there is a great deal more evidence than this that Elvis faked his death {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=1342#p18198; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley_phenomenon; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FshnSFpg4; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8jwW6IeI2Q; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2qdrxAFVwU; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNJCt2y7_I; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhb8jVN6Tl8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MItC-vfza0M; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS7lxxaT4D8}
However, for the sake of keeping this fairly short, let’s stop here and notice some very clear reasons why Eliza’s story is not some elaborate fabrication.
If this was a big joke: it would be very easy for Graceland to disprove it (provide DNA); but they have not even tried. Also, Eliza did not set out to prove that Elvis is alive; instead, she set out to find her real father—and unexpectedly stumbled across amazing evidence that Vernon Presley was her real father (and therefore that Jesse/Elvis is her half brother). She is not asking for money, she only wants the public to know the truth; if she was trying to get tons of money, then that would probably raise questions about a possible motive for attempting a scam—but she is not.
Another interesting point is that Priscilla Presley knows the truth about Elvis, and did a movie in 1998 about Elvis being alive {http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001636/; http://www.crackle.com/c/Finding_Graceland/Finding_Graceland/2481435; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN4GNW2j9Gs}. It is quite interesting that 1998 is a very significant number in relation to Michael Jackson, and his fake death (see 6-8, below).
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6-2 Double-bam: ElvisAndMJ.com
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10384#p174363}
Here are some videos, with some very amazing Elvis and MJ parallels—both before and after the “deaths” {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp8DJyN68E; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnCi5uz9SY; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMmPhaAtclg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO5Bizr6osc}.
In Summary:
King of Rock / King of Pop
Graceland / Neverland
Lisa Marie Presley daughter / wife (no doubt MJ learned some hoax tips)
“Death” was claimed drug related, and heart related
“Died” at home
Taken to hospital in ambulance (even though already “dead”)
CPR on the way to hospital
Declared “dead” at hospital
Phony autopsy {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=40}
Investigation into doctor
Different middle name (Aron vs. Aaron / Joe vs. Joseph)
This Is Elvis / This Is It (films about Elvis & MJ, released after the “deaths”)
“Death” dates equals their own concert intro, related to space (see 6-9, below)
Other numerology (see 6-8, below)
And the list goes on {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=467; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=10}.
Lisa Marie Presley reported that Michael told her: “I am afraid that I am going to end up like him [Elvis], the way he did.” {http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=42291868&blogId=497035326}. How did Elvis end up? With a fake death; so MJ must have known about it, and expected to do the same.
Yes, the “deaths” of Elvis and MJ are so similar—that if one faked his death, then so did the other. And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death! In fact, in the category of clues: we have far more clues from MJ than from Elvis.
There are a few big differences. One is the open casket for Elvis, versus closed casket for MJ. Everyone said that it did not look like Elvis in the casket (some said it looked like a wax dummy); so MJ learned from that, and had a closed casket. Another difference is that there were few if any clues from Elvis about a return/bam; but many such clues from MJ {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763}. Even now, Elvis/Jesse is not interested in the spotlight; he wants to remain in privacy. At least for Elvis, the concept of “bam” refers to the final court ruling on Eliza’s case, and/or the media reporting that he is still alive (rather than Elvis himself performing again, or even being seen by the public).
Whichever bam comes first (MJ or Elvis): everyone will then realize that the other one was most likely a fake death as well. In fact, we really don’t even need to wait until either bam to claim the victory; the evidence is so strong right now, that nobody can get away with ridiculing either Elvis or MJ hoax fans anymore!
In fact, all you need to do is ask people to go to http://www.ElvisAndMJ.com; whether they are Elvis fans, or MJ fans, or anyone really—maybe we can even get the attention of the media! This is an easy domain name to remember, and it’s already pointed to this thread (and it will stay here, even if TIAI redirects elsewhere). Also, I will be watching this thread pretty closely; and if anyone posts ridicule or other non-evidence based objections, I will be here to call them on it (unless someone else does before I do).
For all those who have ridiculed MJ hoax fans, by saying that we are just like Elvis hoax fans: now we can heartily agree—and say yes, and in fact we now have the strongest proof that Elvis hoax fans were right all along!
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6-3 TMZ Series on Lisa Marie Presley
{http://www.tmz.com/person/lisa-marie-presley/}
Of course Lisa Marie is one of the major links between Elvis and MJ. The sunflowers have already been discussed in great length; but this redirect was more to point out the timing of these six TMZ articles about LMP. Notice that the very first mention of Elvis from TIAI was on 5-10 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9632}; the redirect for 5-11 was merely announcing Update #5 coming soon. Then on 5-12, at 5:12 AM (Pacific Time), TIAI Update (#5) was posted; later that same day, TMZ started the LMP series.
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6-4 Picture of Jesse with Benjamin
{http://www.elvisinfonet.com/image-files/eliza_jesse_benjamin.jpg}
This redirect was a picture of Jesse, with grandson Benjamin sitting on his lap. To see the picture: click the link above, or one of these links {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page10; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10500}. That last link is a thread with some real good discussions, as well as other Elvis pictures for comparison.
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6-5 “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse”
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page39#I-spoke-with-Elvis/Jesse-(on-5-12-2010--jumpless-pointer)}
This webpage did not have an anchor at the right part of the page for a normal jump, so a “jumpless-pointer” was included in the URL. Of course there are many things on the page of interest; but the most significant was that Linda had talked with Jesse one day prior to May 13, 2010—which means that Elvis is still alive now. And we know that Linda is not a fake, because Eliza has a link to her page (see 6-7, below); and also because Linda was involved with Dr. Hinton, the one who was cleared of fraud charges {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page1}.
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6-6 TIAI Update on 5-12, and the First Syllable of EL-VIS
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10536#p176889}
As mentioned already, TMZ started their LMP series on 5-12 (see 6-3, above). On May 13, Linda said “I spoke with Elvis/Jesse yesterday” (see 6-5, above); this means that it would’ve been on 5-12, which again was the day of Update 5 being posted (and Update 5 had 12 sections). Notice also that the first syllable of EL-VIS is EL; E = 5 (fifth letter), and L = 12 (twelfth letter): 5-12 once again! Also, 5 + 1 + 2 = 8, which is the primary number in Elvis numerology (see 6-8, below).
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6-7 Eliza Presley’s Website, With Link to Linda’s Website
{http://www.elizapresley.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6}
This redirect was both for the purpose of showing Eliza’s website, and also for showing that Eliza links to Linda’s website (mentioned in 6-5, above). And notice the timing of the following entries, in relation to the TIAI Elvis redirect on 5-10-2010; as well as the TIAI Update #5a to #5d on 5-12 to 5-19 {http://www.elizapresley.org/index.php; http://www.elizapresley.org/showthread.php?t=12}.
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6-8 Elvis & MJ Numerology
{http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page33}
This redirect was on the 8th day of the month, because 8 is the primary number in the Elvis “death” numerology. Elvis “died” on 8-16-1977. The month and day add up to 24 (8 + 16= 24); and the year adds up to 24 (1 + 9 + 7 + 7 = 24). And 24 is 8 + 8 + 8 (888); similar to the MJ numerology 777 & 999 (see below). Elvis was also born on the 8th day of the month (1-8-1935). And Elvis/Jesse has confirmed that this numerology and exact “death” date was planned, and done intentionally {http://www.lindahoodsigmontruth.com/page15}.
Since MJ learned from Elvis: this proves that the MJ numerology was also planned, and is not some astronomical coincidence. Since it was planned, then this shows once again that the numerology does indeed explain some of the reasons for the MJ death hoax. Below is a brief overview of some of the MJ numerology. {For more details, see: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7124; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9994}.
MJ had “777” on his red shirt in “THIS IS IT” {also on the History album cover, etc; http://mocha-soul.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/MichaelJackson-History-Frontal2.jpg}.
MJ had 1998 on the cover of the Dangerous album, and also signed this number on many autographs. 1998 / 2 = 999; 1 + 998 = 999, 1 + 9 + 9 + 8 = 27, 2 + 7 = 9; etc. Also, “THIS IS IT” has three vowels, III = 999 (9th letter of the alphabet).
The “death” was 77 days from 9-9-09 (999), and the burial was 7 days from 9-9-09; this makes three sevens (777) linked directly with 9-9-09. {Note: you must use inclusive reckoning; see 4-10 in Update #4b, http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=7064}. The burial was on a full moon (to the naked eye), and one day before the official full moon.
The memorial was on the 7th day of the 7th month, 7 years after the date on the will; again, three sevens (777). The memorial was also on a full moon (the official full moon, in this case).
And there are three sevens (777) in the timing of the 911 call (12:21) and the “death” (2:26). Also, the 911 call was placed at 12:21, because this number is divisible by 111—along with almost all of the MJ hoax numbers; in fact, “THIS IS IT” is 111 minutes long. Finally, the 12:21 call relates to the date 12-21-2012.
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6-9 Elvis & MJ “Death” Dates Equal Concert Intro
{http://lilwendy.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/tiai-thisisalsoit-elvisjesse-numerology-link/}
Add the day, month, and year together: 8 + 16 + 1977 = 2001. This is the name of a film about space, which was a favourite of Elvis—so much so, that he used the song from it to open his concerts {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001:_A_Space_Odyssey_(film); http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Also_sprach_Zarathustra_(Richard_Strauss)}.
Did MJ learn about this as well, and incorporate the same numerology clue into his own fake death? Yes, indeed he did! 6 + 25 + 2009 = 2040. This is the year that MJ had clearly shown on the bottom of the space ship, in his concert intro! {See 0:15, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mkzqdx021k; http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10685}
This again proves that MJ planned his “death” to the very day, many years ago (as I have said all along). And why would 6-25-2009 need to be the exact day? Not for the memorial on 7-7-09; the “death” could’ve been before or after 6-25, and still had the memorial on the full moon July 7. It’s because 6-25-09 is the only day that is 77 days from 9-9-09; and this locks in 999 with the MJ numerology, as well as 1998 and all the rest.
If there are still some who say that they don’t believe in the numbers: don’t let them off the hook that easily; be nice, but be firm! Ask why they don’t believe in the numbers; and ask them to calculate the odds that these numbers were all coincidence. If they are not mathematical, then find a math teacher! If they really want to know the truth, and they are truly investigating, then this is the way to find out the truth. But if they don’t want to bother with any of this, then it would show that the real problem is not in the numbers; the real problem is that they don’t want the truth.
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6-10 Are TIAI Posts Too Long?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10461&start=25#p175723}
MJFAN7 wrote: “... I wasn’t looking forward to reading the long posts about TIAI Revealed until I started reading them. Then I couldn’t stop!” This is good advice, especially for those who have spent a year now investigating and researching the hoax—and yet have not spent a few days reading posts which make very clear the when, why, and even the some of the how.
On this day (6-10), discussion turned once again to the subject of who is behind TIAI and TS posts. This has been brought up repeatedly, and I have repeatedly asked: does it matter? What’s important is the accuracy of the information presented (see 6-12, below). If it’s full of holes, then step up and state your case; and if not, then accept it.
For your information: I am familiar with the STUDY website. Does this mean that it is me, my website? Maybe; or maybe it’s someone I know; or maybe that website was used as a decoy. Regardless of which is the actual case: you are being tested, to see whether you can unbiasedly assess evidence based upon the evidence itself—and not on who the evidence came from, or who you think it came from, etc.
Many are failing the test, and they didn’t even know that they were being tested. In fact, there is no better way to test people, than to do it without their knowledge; then people act natural, and don’t try to make themselves into something artificial. Does it make any difference, whether you pass or fail this test? Good question; but I won’t give the answer to that right now.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
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6-11 Some Elvis Fans Have “Kept the Faith” for More than 30 Years!
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=10757&start=50#p179522}
Quoting from that redirect: “It never ceases to amaze me how quickly the doubts creep in as soon as something ‘new’ happens. ... When the doubts do creep in, read over the hoax summary threads and especially TS’s posts. But most importantly, keep the faith and the L.O.V.E. alive.”
It reminds me of this passage, from James: “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.” (James 1:6-8).
Many Elvis fans have kept the faith for more than 30 years—with less clues than we have about MJ; it puts some of us MJ hoax fans to shame! With all the evidence we have now, especially with Elvis being alive: there is no need to waver anymore over whether MJ is alive—he has already gone back and forth from alive to dead, and back to alive again, hundreds of times! Has anybody else ever died that many times??? :lol: :lol:
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6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael {http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
And for those who still aren’t sure if TS has inside information: one more time, here is the TIAI list of predictions, etc—with the latest Elvis ones added. Please note that these are merely reminders; if you are new, some of these might not make sense without reading all of the TS posts first.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
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6-13 TIAI Update #5 (by MJalive999)
{http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUs6Rd7dfeY}
This video is a good overview of Update #5 {see also the second half, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbwQ-gvvA2g}. This was a good review, for some who were having doubts creep in (see 6-11, above). A similar video set was also done by MJDHI {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYTGMfo4TqQ&feature=PlayList&p=0C50B61CDC1A1F66&playnext_from=PL&index=0}.
Both of these video sets include a list of questions, from Update #5d. So far, I haven’t seen anyone even attempt to answer more than two or three of the questions; and the attempted answers have been rather shallow.
For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”
Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it ...”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!
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6-14 Dots Of TMZ Show
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&start=50#p163354}
In Update #5, the first letter in each section title spelled out “Dots Of TMZ Show”. Also, the title itself had dots in it: DO you Think 4 your Self? Furthermore, as lilwendy figured out {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10929#p181681}, there were also “dots within the dots” (Dots Of TMZ Show). I’m not sure if anyone noticed that the last half of “DOTS” is “TS”.
TMZ officially stands for “Thirty Mile Zone” {http://www.tmz.com/about/}. However, many hoaxers refer to it as “The Michael Zone”; and yes, as whisper figured out, the first word of each section title in Update #5c spelled out “The Michael Zone” {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9763&start=50#p166198}.
“Dots Of TMZ Show” was the redirect for the Murray court day; and yes, TMZ did have a show on that day. However, this redirect referred to more than just the one day; it also refers to connecting the dots both before and after June 14.
When connecting dots, you can look for the first letter in each line—such as Serenitys_Dream and others have done. However, be sure to look for more than just the first letter in each line. Sometimes the message is in the pictures, or article titles, etc. In fact, sometimes the dots are in articles which are not even MJ related—such as the “Still Alive” heading, on the 6-14 Murray court day {http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/14/england-goalie-robert-green-world-cup-photo-soccer/}.
As stated in Update #5c, however, TMZ dots are not the basis for believing in the hoax; so don’t use these as “proof” for non-believers. The TMZ show dots are hints and clues for those who already know that MJ is “still alive”.
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6-15 Running Out of Ideas?
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8077&p=132300&hilit=running%20out%20of%20ideas#p132300}
This actually goes back to a thread from April 2; several on that thread thought that TS was “running out of ideas”. What do you think—looking back over the redirects and updates from April, May, and June—were they right?
Even now, I am not running out of ideas; actually, everything covered so far has just been an introductory course. :o But most people think that what I’ve written already is far too much; so how is even more going to help them?
Yes, this redirect also had the “BAM” in the signature. Especially in view of that last paragraph: Update #7 most likely will not be before bamsday—whether that is in June, July, or later. There may be more redirects, but probably not on a regular or daily basis.
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6-16 (Waiting for) Update #6
{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/search.php?author_id=1440&sr=posts}
Just like all the other TIAI updates, there is an important date associated with the final section in this update: 6-16. June 16, 2010 is two months until the 33rd anniversary of the Elvis fake death, and 9 days until the 1st anniversary of the MJ fake death.
And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
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What TS wrote 1,5 years ago is coming true. /woohoo/
elvis_/ moonwalk_/
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckVcRvFBuZw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
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This is too funny. Check out this comment from one of the viewers:
.i really have to laugh about that doll in the coffin...its more a look alike from M.Jackson then he looks like Elvis.
Michael is having WAY too much fun here. This has got to stop. Somebody is going to die laughing and it might just be me! afraid/
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"TIME DOTS" is an Anagram.
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"TIME DOTS" is an Anagram.
Hy ThINK :) !!!!
You are very good :shock: 8-) ,and you are right!!! There are 60 anagrams for TIME DOTS /bravo/ !!
Now I know it's kind off topic, but I would like to ask you a question,ok :?: ???? Tell me please Is GOD a anagram,a DOTS,or maybe both :idea: ???
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little bit off topic, but a week ago, there was advertisment in our Slovak TV, that was called "Elvis is Back" , first time I heard that I almost fall from my chair, lol, and next time they stated that some kind of Elvis performance is about to happen, with his greatest hits and 3D holograms..
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little bit off topic, but a week ago, there was advertisment in our Slovak TV, that was called "Elvis is Back" , first time I heard that I almost fall from my chair, lol, and next time they stated that some kind of Elvis performance is about to happen, with his greatest hits and 3D holograms..
Thank's Emulik for this info,wow :shock: ,intresting COINCIDENCE ,no :? ??? Alot of HOLOgrams lately :? /cook/ .............. and Michael had/has "some" in his future plans too albino/ !!!!
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"TIME DOTS" is an Anagram.
Hy ThINK :) !!!!
You are very good :shock: 8-) ,and you are right!!! There are 60 anagrams for TIME DOTS /bravo/ !!
Now I know it's kind off topic, but I would like to ask you a question,ok :?: ???? Tell me please Is GOD a anagram,a DOTS,or maybe both :idea: ???
Hello, Applehead!
Anyway, one of the words that comes out of TIME DOTS is DOME (TTIS) with some left over letters. Dome Project comes to mind.
I did a quick look into the word, "Dome," and this was one of the top searches: http://witcombe.sbc.edu/sacredplaces/domeofrock.html
Dome of the Rock, Holy place for Judeaism, Christianity and Islam.
I don't play with the word "God," though of course it can be used as an anagram.