Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: 2good2btrue on June 09, 2010, 01:18:01 AM
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Watch for the credits at the end....The Final Call...and 7 7 7.. :o :o :o
[youtube:35q2ehlo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXal1CGaISQ&feature=related[/youtube:35q2ehlo]
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Hmm..... may be he just got his insparation from it? :?
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This is the link to Obama and the Nation of Islam.
[youtube:mwawmweb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg&feature=related[/youtube:mwawmweb]
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I am reading a article now. Its says that Islam is the biggest threat to the Illuminati and the New World Order. They want to stop the Islam. They hate the Islam. Even when its one of the most beatyfull religion.
I don't know why, But I think this dance is a ''fight'' against the NWO/Illuminati. Thats the reason why it was so important to MJ:
[youtube:4g72qy7k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtdTJP_GUI[/youtube:4g72qy7k]
They even tried to learn us the dance:
[youtube:4g72qy7k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9awyYESUm78&feature=channel[/youtube:4g72qy7k]
I believe this is the dance to freedom.
p.s: The reason why the ''terrorism attacks on 9/11'' were from muslims was to let us know that ''Islam is a fundementally violent religion''. More people hate islam know these days. in my country is a man. his name is Geert Wilders. He is playing his part in their plan. And also, I dont think that terrorism is made from the koran/Islam. terrorism is just a tool they made to let us believe that the islam is very dangerous and very violent. And then they can say, Islam is from now a forbidden religion. And then everybody knows the ''reason'' why they did it.
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The people surrounding Michael through his last year, have definite Nation of Islam connections:
Rwaramba had ties to the black militant organisation, the Nation of Islam, and its controversial leader, Louis Farrakhan, whom she enlisted for help in running Jackson’s affairs.
Before long, the Nation was supplying Jackson’s security detail and Farrakhan’s son-in-law, Leonard Muhammad, was appointed as Jackson’s business manager, though his role has lessened significantly in recent years.In late 2008, a shadowy figure who called himself Dr Tohme Tohme suddenly emerged as Jackson’s ‘official spokesman’.
Tohme has been alternately described as a Saudi Arabian billionaire and an orthopaedic surgeon, but he is actually a Lebanese businessman who does not have a medical licence. At one point, Tohme claimed he was an ambassador at large for Senegal, but the Senegalese embassy said they had never heard of him.
Tohme’s own ties to the Nation of Islam came to light in March 2009, when New York auctioneer Darren Julien was conducting an auction of Michael Jackson memorabilia.
Julien filed an affidavit in Los Angeles Superior Court that month in which he described a meeting he had with Tohme’s business partner, James R. Weller. According to Julien’s account, ‘Weller said if we refused to postpone [the auction], we would be in danger from 'Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam; those people are very protective of Michael'.
He told us that Dr Tohme and Michael Jackson wanted to give the message to us that 'our lives are at stake and there will be bloodshed'.’A month after these alleged threats, Tohme accompanied Jackson to a meeting at a Las Vegas hotel with Randy Phillips, chief executive of the AEG Group, to finalise plans for Jackson’s return to the concert stage.Jackson’s handlers had twice before said no to Phillips. This time, with Tohme acting as his confidant, Jackson left the room agreeing to perform ten concerts at the O2.
Before long, however, ten concerts had turned into 50 and the potential revenues had skyrocketed. ‘The vultures who were pulling his strings somehow managed to put this concert extravaganza together behind his back, then presented it to him as a fait accompli,’ said one aide.
‘The money was just unbelievable and all his financial people were telling him he was facing bankruptcy. But Michael still resisted. He didn’t think he could pull it off.’
Eventually, they wore him down, the aide explained, but not with the money argument.
‘They told him that this would be the greatest comeback the world had ever known. That’s what convinced him.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article) ... z0qLFSdMtY
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TDCAU drill supposedly rehearsed/recorded on June 23rd 2009, and the next day Michael had extra security around him..
Nation Of Islam security again?
What really went on between the 23rd and 24th for him to need more security?
Wikipedia makes NOI sound like Black Supremacy. If NWO are against NOI then perhaps we should be careful what we read and believe online about NOI.. It could be complete B.S.
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http://iamnotarapperispit.com/blog/2010 ... ssination/ (http://iamnotarapperispit.com/blog/2010/04/07/banned-from-youtube-louis-farrakhan-on-noi-involvement-in-malcolm-xs-assassination/)
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I try to find a few simple words...because english isn't my native language and it's not easy to write about such an importend theme...
It all confusing that i found on my investigations about the NOI....i found the leader Farrakhan is a racist, he don't like the white, the jewish ppl, don't want mixed marriages and so on...
But in his speeches and there Homepage they are fighting for absolut legal rights for the black ppl.
I live in germany and i am sure only a few ppl here knows that in the US the black ppl has still not the same chances like the white or every other . I was rearly shocked when i read this. Ever the same old story...
I rearly don't know if the NOI is good or bad and i don't know if Michael liked them or not !
Farrakhan knew him since many years...maybe he helped him to become so big as he was and Michael has to be loyal and a shining example of a black men who reached so much success.
Otherwise.....Michael does so much that the NOI not want....he get white....if he had vitiligo he has the chance to use makeup in dark colour or self tannings to be black...his nose wasn't a nose from a african american. He marries to times a white women...Debbie is jewish ! He has white kids. He makes rumors about drug consum and ti be gay...both are not so akzepted from the NOI.
It seems like he did all he could that they let him go......but they where still there.
They where very present at the Memorial....Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and nearly every speaker there. If Paris didn't made her speach at the end and the most only remember this....much more ppl would have wondered why so much political speeches at a memorial has taken place, but so all remember Paris.
They are around the family...Majestic Magnificant is always at the Murray dates with Joe Jackson and he seems to have contact to " Justice for Michael "
The NOI may believe Michael is dead...so i feel it....
I like PPl , with every skin colour...we are all one !
I noticed that nearly every black person who was around Michael and the Jackson has contact to the NOI and Farrakhan has contact to Obama.
If i was living in US and where black i think i was at the NOI too if i had so bad chances only about my skin colour.
But i don't know if Michael fear the NOI or likes them.
Farrakhan has speak against the Swin Flu vaccination and Michael wanted to do the same in London. That was another conspiracy and i am glad that i hadn't that vacination take.
Because the media could write much i don't know if Farrakhan is a racist....i only hear from himself that we are all one and we must unite.
If he fights against the Illuminati/NWO and so on....it was a less easy think for them to public articles to show him i a very bad light that he dosn't get so much members.
What i don't like is the military touch in the Drill....Soldiers of Love.....Army of Love....Love and Military in my eyes don't belong together.
Only a few thoughs... :|
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Badgirl777....it's interesting you mention MJ's and Louis (Nation of Islam ) relationship.
You might be interested to see these videos I posted on another topic..He talks alot about Michael and his death......As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10718&p=178554#p178554 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=10718&p=178554#p178554)
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on February 21, 1965, ten days after the last talk, presented at the London School of Economics in the Audubon Room of Manhattan, Malcolm had just begun his speech when a disturbance occurred. A man yelled, "Take your hands out of my pocket!". Malcolm's bodyguards turned up to see what was happening while another man shot in the chest with a cropped Malcolm. Malcolm X, 39, had died, was assassinated Malcolm X. 600 people attended Malcolm's funeral in Harlem on February 27, 1965, Malcolm was buried in the Ferncliff Cemetery in Harstdale, New York. The following year, three men Norman Butler, Thomas Johnson and Talmage Hayer, all members or supporters of the Nation of Islam, were convicted of murder and each received prison sentences ranging from twenty years to life. One of them, the gunman arrested at the scene himself, had said from the outset that the two men whom the court convicted with him, were not. In 1977 issued signing statements where he said that those who had been involved with him were four other supporters of the Nation, but the case has never reopened.
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Watch for the credits at the end....The Final Call...and 7 7 7.. :o :o :o
[youtube:2wa1cn6q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXal1CGaISQ&feature=related[/youtube:2wa1cn6q]
I always thought that the drill could be something of the Black Panthers, cause Michael does the BP fist too. I see a lot of connections between Michael and NOI.
Check out the Mosque7 + they have a newspaper called "The Final Call". :shock:
There's something I don't like about Farrakhan and NOI is not the real Islam, but I really appreciate how well he speaks about Michael (not the Michael being a divine person part).
For example: http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=3351 (http://www.tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=1&i=3351)
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I am reading a article now. Its says that Islam is the biggest threat to the Illuminati and the New World Order. They want to stop the Islam. They hate the Islam. Even when its one of the most beatyfull religion.
I don't know why, But I think this dance is a ''fight'' against the NWO/Illuminati. Thats the reason why it was so important to MJ:
[youtube:4aukqzd4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtdTJP_GUI[/youtube:4aukqzd4]
They even tried to learn us the dance:
[youtube:4aukqzd4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9awyYESUm78&feature=channel[/youtube:4aukqzd4]
I believe this is the dance to freedom.
p.s: The reason why the ''terrorism attacks on 9/11'' were from muslims was to let us know that ''Islam is a fundementally violent religion''. More people hate islam know these days. in my country is a man. his name is Geert Wilders. He is playing his part in their plan. And also, I dont think that terrorism is made from the koran/Islam. terrorism is just a tool they made to let us believe that the islam is very dangerous and very violent. And then they can say, Islam is from now a forbidden religion. And then everybody knows the ''reason'' why they did it.
But the thing is that it's eventually makes the Muslims more determined and stronger in their faith.
If you want to know why they hate Islam and use every tool they can to manipulate the image of Islam you should watch this serie:
(this is part 1) Illuminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sqhCVsIMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sqhCVsIMw)
That youtuber, FarhanK501 has a lot of very interesting videos on this topic.
And if you want to get the bigger picture you can watch The Arrivals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqybvymYIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqybvymYIE)
It contains I guess 50 parts, I know it's a lot LOl but it very interesting to watch.
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the drill is probably just like everything else with micheal . he saw it . he liked it(creatively). he borrowed it . AND HE PUMPED IT UP ABOUT 10 LEVELS AND MADE IT HIS OWN.
one thought about tdcau: i am sure the assumption is that when micheal says if martin luther was livin' that he meant dr. king. well i personallly think he could just as well have meant martin luther.http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-engli ... uther.html (http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/martin-luther.html)
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But the thing is that it's eventually makes the Muslims more determined and stronger in their faith.
If you want to know why they hate Islam and use every tool they can to manipulate the image of Islam you should watch this serie:
(this is part 1) Illuminated:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sqhCVsIMw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_sqhCVsIMw)
That youtuber, FarhanK501 has a lot of very interesting videos on this topic.
And if you want to get the bigger picture you can watch The Arrivals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqybvymYIE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqybvymYIE)
It contains I guess 50 parts, I know it's a lot LOl but it very interesting to watch.
Thanks for the link, his videos are really interesting.
Especially THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED.
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I heard Michael had turned muslim..which I have no qualms about because I am muslim. I do believe there is a ring of truth in it. Firstly at this award show MJ shakes hand with the man at 5.30 onwards and then brings his hand to his heart...a muslim custom which i see regularly men practising.
Plus I recently seen a picture with MJ wearing a clay bead necklace..which is called the earth of curing and only one group of muslims wear it...and i know one when i see one believe me...our MJ has been Iraq :D
Please do not create a fight...Prophet Abraham had 2 sons one named Isaac and one named Ishmael. From Isaac lineage Prophet Jesus came and from Ishmael Prophet Muhammed came...both related and sent by God.
Muslims love and respect Prophet Jesus Lady Mary and Prophet Moses..the differences are created by man...please S.T.U.D.Y
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I heard Michael had turned muslim..which I have no qualms about because I am muslim. I do believe there is a ring of truth in it. Firstly at this award show MJ shakes hand with the man at 5.30 onwards and then brings his hand to his heart...a muslim custom which i see regularly men practising.
Plus I recently seen a picture with MJ wearing a clay bead necklace..which is called the earth of curing and only one group of muslims wear it...and i know one when i see one believe me...our MJ has been Iraq :D
Please do not create a fight...Prophet Abraham had 2 sons one named Isaac and one named Ishmael. From Isaac lineage Prophet Jesus came and from Ishmael Prophet Muhammed came...both related and sent by God.
Muslims love and respect Prophet Jesus Lady Mary and Prophet Moses..the differences are created by man...please S.T.U.D.Y
What award show ? I see the handshake and hand to heart too in my husbands country, very usual.
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my daughter likes peace signs ,that doesn't make her a hippie.
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I heard Michael had turned muslim..which I have no qualms about because I am muslim. I do believe there is a ring of truth in it. Firstly at this award show MJ shakes hand with the man at 5.30 onwards and then brings his hand to his heart...a muslim custom which i see regularly men practising.
Plus I recently seen a picture with MJ wearing a clay bead necklace..which is called the earth of curing and only one group of muslims wear it...and i know one when i see one believe me...our MJ has been Iraq :D
Please do not create a fight...Prophet Abraham had 2 sons one named Isaac and one named Ishmael. From Isaac lineage Prophet Jesus came and from Ishmael Prophet Muhammed came...both related and sent by God.
Muslims love and respect Prophet Jesus Lady Mary and Prophet Moses..the differences are created by man...please S.T.U.D.Y
Michael is not muslim :roll:
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I heard Michael had turned muslim..which I have no qualms about because I am muslim. I do believe there is a ring of truth in it. Firstly at this award show MJ shakes hand with the man at 5.30 onwards and then brings his hand to his heart...a muslim custom which i see regularly men practising.
Plus I recently seen a picture with MJ wearing a clay bead necklace..which is called the earth of curing and only one group of muslims wear it...and i know one when i see one believe me...our MJ has been Iraq :D
Please do not create a fight...Prophet Abraham had 2 sons one named Isaac and one named Ishmael. From Isaac lineage Prophet Jesus came and from Ishmael Prophet Muhammed came...both related and sent by God.
Muslims love and respect Prophet Jesus Lady Mary and Prophet Moses..the differences are created by man...please S.T.U.D.Y
Michael is not muslim :roll:
I suppose you are in touch with Michael to make a strong statement...does it really matter? it doesn't matter if your black or white but it matters if MJ is a muslim...double standards
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I heard Michael had turned muslim..which I have no qualms about because I am muslim. I do believe there is a ring of truth in it. Firstly at this award show MJ shakes hand with the man at 5.30 onwards and then brings his hand to his heart...a muslim custom which i see regularly men practising.
Plus I recently seen a picture with MJ wearing a clay bead necklace..which is called the earth of curing and only one group of muslims wear it...and i know one when i see one believe me...our MJ has been Iraq :D
Please do not create a fight...Prophet Abraham had 2 sons one named Isaac and one named Ishmael. From Isaac lineage Prophet Jesus came and from Ishmael Prophet Muhammed came...both related and sent by God.
Muslims love and respect Prophet Jesus Lady Mary and Prophet Moses..the differences are created by man...please S.T.U.D.Y
What award show ? I see the handshake and hand to heart too in my husbands country, very usual.
oooopps forgot to give link here it is at 5.30 onwards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jk2a9ctihc&feature=related
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@shaggy
Just to clarify, a lot of people do that gesture here in the U.S.
:P
Also, pretty much most religions use beaded necklaces.
Catholics have a rosary,
Buddhists have a mala,
And I guess Islam has the "earth of curing" as you call it.
I do not believe Michael converted to Islam.
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he seemed to really try hard to put what he believed as a matter of faith out there .don't you think if he had changed his heart in that direction he would gone out of his way to make sure we heared it from the horses mouth?
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When I saw MJ do the drill I thought about black step teams at black colleges. That's what the drill reminded me of. I use to be on a step team and some of the moves MJ does in the drill part of This is it remind me of that. Step is a combination of military style movement, clapping and stomping of the feet in unison. It is an artform for black sororities and fraternaties. The step dance goes back to African boot dance. It's a part of our history. So I don't know if MJ was neccesarily doing NOI military routine. Don't forget MJ has always been influenced by dance from the streets and black culture. Also someone made a comment about the cadet group that Obama started I'm sure they are probably being influenced by step. I Mean I can see the similiarities as well with the NOI drill so MJ could have been doing it which would show that he must be associated with them. I know Public Enemy the rap group has had this type of drill on stage during their performances. Chuck D. in Public Enemy is very outspoken. He even put Elvis on blast in Fight the Power song. It's kinda odd because after June 25th I remember them saying flavor flav who is in Public Enemy showed up at the Jackson's Encino compound. So I don't know maybe there may be a link there. Anyway here's an example of stepping and also the Public Enemy video.
[youtube:3apjy85s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkao-ikHhSI[/youtube:3apjy85s]
[youtube:3apjy85s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk[/youtube:3apjy85s]
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^ I'm familiar with those. :)
When I was younger, I was a part of one of those,
but it was called a "Drill Team" :lol:
Thanks for reminding me of that.
Yeah, lots of dances involve stomping and drills,
so.. ;)
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^ I'm familiar with those. :)
When I was younger, I was a part of one of those,
but it was called a "Drill Team" :lol:
Thanks for reminding me of that.
Yeah, lots of dances involve stomping and drills,
so.. ;)
Yeah I did drill team for a minute too.lol :D I marched in one parade. We had the cute little outfits and everything was all white.
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Yeah I did drill team for a minute too.lol :D I marched in one parade. We had the cute little outfits and everything was all white.
Lucky! I never got to do a parade.
:oops: I still remember my little chant thing.
*sigh* Good times...
Whoa. Got a little off topic. Sorry.
:lol:
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
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@shaggy
Just to clarify, a lot of people do that gesture here in the U.S.
:P
Also, pretty much most religions use beaded necklaces.
Catholics have a rosary,
Buddhists have a mala,
And I guess Islam has the "earth of curing" as you call it.
I do not believe Michael converted to Islam.
well i never seen any west person do this...maybe i live on other planet..and when they do give a handshak its half handshake :lol:
When i said beaded necklace i meant not made out of beads...out of earth...and when i saw pic i knew it was NOT from anywhere else...sighhhh you lot dont want to believe it thats all :(
Sometimes i wonder why people say Popstar Michael Jackson is dead...popstar is dead but Mikaeel is alive
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
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"It's strange that God doesn't mind expressing Himself/Herself in all the religions of the world, while people still cling to the notion that their way is the only right way. Whatever you try to say about God, someone will take offense, even if you say everyone's love of God is right for them.
For me the form God takes is not the most important thing. What's most important is the essence. My songs and dances are outlines for Him to come in and fill. I hold out the form. She puts in the sweetness.
I've looked up at the night sky and beheld the stars so intimately close, it was as if my grandmother had made them for me.
"How rich, how sumptuous," I thought. In that moment I saw God in His creation. I could as easily have seen Her in the beauty of a rainbow, the grace of a deer bounding through a meadow, the truth of a father's kiss. But for me the sweetest contact with God has no form.
I close my eyes, look within, and enter a deep soft silence.
The infinity of God's creation embraces me. We are one."
"God". written by Michael Jackson (1992, "Dancing the Dream")
He was a very spiritual believer and not into dogmatic theology. His spiritual advisers came from all main religions of this world ...
Isn`t it nice that he included ALL of them - and us! - by saying:
"... You an I were never seperate
it`s just an illusion
wrought by the magical lens of perception
Heaven is here
right now, this moment of eternity
don`t fool yourself
reclaim your bliss."
(Michael Jackson, Dancing the Dream, 1992, Heaven is here)
Do you still think any discussion might be helpful?
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
So.. Now you're calling me raicist. :roll:
Because I don't think Michael really had a religion.
He was a VERY spiritual person, yes, though what
He calls God is very hard to explain. I feel it in his writings,
and I feel the same way. Don't judge.
Raicist is the LAST thing I am, so please don't
accuse me like that.
I am just stating off of what I see when I talk about his necklace and the customs around that move he did at the award show, but you can interpret it as whatever you want to.
Please don't bash me, I've had enough.
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Michael didn´t discriminate any faith or religion.
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
So.. Now you're calling me raicist. :roll:
Because I don't think Michael really had a religion.
He was a VERY spiritual person, yes, though what
He calls God is very hard to explain. I feel it in his writings,
and I feel the same way. Don't judge.
Raicist is the LAST thing I am, so please don't
accuse me like that.
I am just stating off of what I see when I talk about his necklace and the customs around that move he did at the award show, but you can interpret it as whatever you want to.
Please don't bash me, I've had enough.
i didnt say anything of the sort...i was just saying that we as humans love hating each other for whatever reason...if MJ turns up and says I have turned hindu would i hate him....nope!
if some one is not my brother or sister in religion then they are my brother/ sister in humanity
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Michael didn´t discriminate any faith or religion.
Gema agree with you, I ask everyone, would you change something to you that Michael was Muslim? :geek:
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Good question Paula.
I would not change to me for example. I accepted that human being for his actions, not by his looks, skin colour, faith, religion or sexuality. I could agree or not with his ideas or the pholosophy of living his life, but as long as he didn´t hurt any one, I am in peace accepting him for who he was/ is.
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Sorry.
I get very defensive when it comes to religion.
I know people of the Bahá'í Faith,
And they are prejudged because of it's history.
I actually agree with a lot of their views.
We should all accept everyone's religions.
*sigh* How I wish everyone else was like you guys,
And listen Michael's message without prejudging
the messenger. :P
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I will just say that MJ got his inspiration from many different things.
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Religion is a very sensitive topic as we can see. Please don't hurt eachother over this.
Lets bring this back to Michael Jackson.....he was open to all religions and races.
That's what made him unique.... The drill obviously is a march of "empowerment". The last thing he left us with is "TDCAU Drill" dance. He may of been inspired by its simplicity, but strong message and added his own style to it.
Many things inspired MJ.
Who knows.? Maybe the nation of Islam were proud that MJ used this march, but also became very protective of him for doing so. Imagine if all the MJ fans converted to NOI because he asked us to. Would you do it. ???? Would it make it the most powerful movement in the world????? Was that what Farrakhan wanted..?????.......The NOI are already one million strong if not more, and that in itself, is very concerning to the government bodies....Especially because NOI are aware of the illuminati.. :o :o
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
thanks for the info . are the muslims looking for a messiah?
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
thanks for the info . are the muslims looking for a messiah?
That would be mohommed
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
thanks for the info . are the muslims looking for a messiah?
That would be mohommed
Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
thanks for the info . are the muslims looking for a messiah?
That would be mohommed
Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
ok dm are you messing with me? :roll:
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Michael was always borrowing from what he saw that interested him. Just because he borrowed some moves from NOI doesn't necessarily make him a devote Nation of Islam member. When he made the album Off the Wall he didn't just come up with that idea. He got the name from a Antique shop with that name. The moonwalk was the same thing! He didn't come up with idea on his own. That particular move was called the backslide but MJ added his twist and named it the moonwalk. So, in esscence Michael had a knack for revamping things to make them more personal to him. My thoughts about all of these orders and secret societies going on doesn't mean much to me. At the end of the day God controls all things. Sometimes, it just seems as though there's a bunch of mad men roaming around trying to control all they can manage. It reminds me of the days of Jesus Christ. Keep the Faith!
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Nobody is saying Michael converted to Nation of Islam officially. They protected him because he was black........and Farrekhan would do anything for him.
They even supplied Tupac protection at one point while he was filming a contraversial movie.
This is another interview about MJ and how Farrekhan felt about him. Very interesting.
Some of his final words are "Michael Jackson is Alive" "Michael Jackson Lives"
http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/1 ... l-jackson/ (http://newsroom.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/13/louis-farrakhan-on-michael-jackson/)
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
I hate this fucking thread.
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ForeveryoursMichael. Why do you hate this thread? And why do you use such harsh words? If you don't like something or disagree with a thread, it's best to just turn away. Mo and Souza won't tolerate obcene language and neither will the users. I find it offensive, especially considering there are younger fans on this site.
I don't think Michael would be impressed either.....
As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo and i would appreciate it if you delete your comment or at least edit it.
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as i stated in another thread if someone has taken away micheal's free will it is not good no matter who it is. all should be able to agree on that.
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Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
ok dm are you messing with me? :roll:
Excuse me? :|
Why do you think I'm messing with you? I wanted to keep you in your judgemental ignorance but I'm going to be nice give you the evidence of what I said about Jesus (peace and blessing be upon him):
"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God"
The Holy Quran: Chapter 3, Verse 45
So before putting eye-rolling smileys here, do some reseach.
@ForeverYoursMichael, why? Doesn't this "f-ing" thread fit with your picture of Michael? :|
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Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
ok dm are you messing with me? :roll:
Excuse me? :|
Why do you think I'm messing with you? I wanted to keep you in your judgemental ignorance but I'm going to be nice give you the evidence of what I said about Jesus (peace and blessing be upon him):
"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God"
The Holy Quran: Chapter 3, Verse 45
So before putting eye-rolling smileys here, do some reseach.
@ForeverYoursMichael, why? Doesn't this "f-ing" thread fit with your picture of Michael? :|
look at abeautifulmind"s response to the same question. that is what is confusing to me. that answer is somewhat what i was expecting. besides that you did use a ;)
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Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
ok dm are you messing with me? :roll:
Excuse me? :|
Why do you think I'm messing with you? I wanted to keep you in your judgemental ignorance but I'm going to be nice give you the evidence of what I said about Jesus (peace and blessing be upon him):
"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God"
The Holy Quran: Chapter 3, Verse 45
So before putting eye-rolling smileys here, do some reseach.
@ForeverYoursMichael, why? Doesn't this "f-ing" thread fit with your picture of Michael? :|
look at abeautifulmind"s response to the same question. that is what is confusing to me. that answer is somewhat what i was expecting. besides that you did use a ;)
Oh now I get it. I wasn't being sarcastic or something.
Like Shaggy said there were many and many prophets, but some are messengers as well and were more 'important' than the others because they will play a huge role in the future like Jesus. Muhammed (pbuh) is the final messenger that brings the message to all humanity and Jesus (pbuh) was send to Jerusalem. But he is also the Messiah. The one that will return on earth to defeat the false Messiah wich will be the anti christ. I don't know if you're Christian, if you are this story will sound familiar to you.
I hope you understand what I was trying to say.
I don't know exactly how the NOI view this subject but if Michael was interested in Islam I thnk he would turn to his brother for questions rather than the NOI. So i think they were providing him with security and he simply paid them for it instead of converting to what the NOI teach.
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Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
ok dm are you messing with me? :roll:
Excuse me? :|
Why do you think I'm messing with you? I wanted to keep you in your judgemental ignorance but I'm going to be nice give you the evidence of what I said about Jesus (peace and blessing be upon him):
"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God"
The Holy Quran: Chapter 3, Verse 45
So before putting eye-rolling smileys here, do some reseach.
@ForeverYoursMichael, why? Doesn't this "f-ing" thread fit with your picture of Michael? :|
look at abeautifulmind"s response to the same question. that is what is confusing to me. that answer is somewhat what i was expecting. besides that you did use a ;)
Oh now I get it. I wasn't being sarcastic or something.
Like Shaggy said there were many and many prophets, but some are messengers as well and were more 'important' than the others because they will play a huge role in the future like Jesus. Muhammed (pbuh) is the final messenger that brings the message to all humanity and Jesus (pbuh) was send to Jerusalem. But he is also the Messiah. The one that will return on earth to defeat the false Messiah wich will be the anti christ. I don't know if you're Christian, if you are this story will sound familiar to you.
I hope you understand what I was trying to say.
I don't know exactly how the NOI view this subject but if Michael was interested in Islam I thnk he would turn to his brother for questions rather than the NOI. So i think they were providing him with security and he simply paid them for it instead of converting to what the NOI teach.
ok so try not to get mad at me in the future if i try to get more of this stuff straight in my head .maybe this makes me confused as to the part about conversion. i have heard that some muslim convert to christianity . i guess i have trouble understanding the difference .so let me go back to the reference ; is that saying that jesus is the son of allah. and are you saying allah is just another name for god. remember you're going to try not to get mad at me right :oops:
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"When the angels said, 'O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a son through a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God"
The Holy Quran: Chapter 3, Verse 45
ok so try not to get mad at me in the future if i try to get more of this stuff straight in my head .maybe this makes me confused as to the part about conversion. i have heard that some muslim convert to christianity . i guess i have trouble understanding the difference .so let me go back to the reference ; is that saying that jesus is the son of allah. and are you saying allah is just another name for god. remember you're going to try not to get mad at me right :oops:
No, Jesus is not the son of Allah. This is one of the many things that was made up that time, also that Jesus is god . But it was Allah's will that Mary gives birth to Jesus and he becomes a messenger at that time. And Allah is our god but that doesn't mean we can't call him god b/c god is just the name for the one you worship and believe in..
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ok so try not to get mad at me in the future if i try to get more of this stuff straight in my head .maybe this makes me confused as to the part about conversion. i have heard that some muslim convert to christianity . i guess i have trouble understanding the difference .so let me go back to the reference ; is that saying that jesus is the son of allah. and are you saying allah is just another name for god. remember you're going to try not to get mad at me right :oops:
Sorry...I missunderstood that post of yours :oops:
I wasn't mad...maybe just a little irritated :P sorry...
We believe that God doesn't have a son that means that nor Jesus or Adam (peace be upon them) or any other is his son. Regarding to Jesus He just said "be" and he "was" (the birth of Jesus).
Yep, Allah is the arabic word for God. The Christians in the middle east for example call God Allah. And tje Jews in Morocco for example call God Allah too.
I understand why you're having a hard time understanding the difference because there are many similarities between Islam and Christianity. If there are more things you don't understand you can ask me. But I have to say that I'm myself learning. ;)
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it is interesting how so many points can intertwine but still wind up being different. even within the christian denominations there are these variables.(is that the right word ). is that also the situation between shite and sunni ?i think i could be treading on controversial ground here but i am trying get is straight
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I would think NOI copied Michael's drill instead. Remember way back Michael wanted to have a drill video but then Janet said she wanted to use that idea and since she was his baby sister he let her do it in Rhythm Nation. That was years ago.
Many armies or other groups have this kind of drill - I would definitely not say Michael was a part of any of that.
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of all the lessons taught to us by Michael...we have learnt nothing...first blacks were looked down upon then it was the poor russians and then iranians and now muslims...most people here dont want Michael to be a muslim for whatever reason..where as Muslims loved him even when he was Christian...why because we believe in Jesus and lady Mary...without them we cannot even be muslims...shame :(
what is the part that they play in the muslim religion?
what part they play well a major one a whole chapter called Maryum aka Mary in Quran regarding her and the birth of Jesus.
124,000 prophets sent by God some of the major ones Adam, Noah Moses Jesus David Abraham ...the last Muhammed:
before giving his message he asked every1 to accept the other prophets before him...and he made it a point by saying if you do not accept their hardwork or believe in them then you really have not accepted me.
thanks for the info . are the muslims looking for a messiah?
That would be mohommed
Nope, there is only one Messiah and that is Jesus. We Muslims believe too that Jesus is the Messiah and that he will return on earth to rule the world in peace and justice. ;)
to further develop your knowledge we Muslims believe the 12th son of Prophet Muhammed will return..because like Jesus was raised to the 4th heaven..Prophet Mohammed 12th grandson disappeared and will return as the "Mahdi" with Prophet Jesus...his name Imam Mohammed Mahdi...the rest you can research the internet
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thank you all for the short rundown of information :)
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thank you all for the short rundown of information :)
no problem..its all for L.O.V.E :D
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thank you all for the short rundown of information :)
no problem..its all for L.O.V.E :D
Better understanding leads to better humans
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I would think NOI copied Michael's drill instead. Remember way back Michael wanted to have a drill video but then Janet said she wanted to use that idea and since she was his baby sister he let her do it in Rhythm Nation. That was years ago.
Many armies or other groups have this kind of drill - I would definitely not say Michael was a part of any of that.
I think the NOI drill goes back to a time when Michael wasn't even born.
The interesting thing about Michael's drill is his message behind it. Just think about, for example, the message of TDCAU and the significance of the drill.
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thank you all for the short rundown of information :)
UR welcome... ;)
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BUt the drill in TII was totally different?! :? :? :?: :?:
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The Drill in any language, is a dance of Power, Strength and its a Message.
The main coincidence here, is that this is the only song and dance being spread around the world in Michaels legacy , thanks to the dancers.
Where it originated from is not the real issue. It's what it means. Its all for L.O.V.E xoxox
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so! have any of you mastered it yet? 8-) i would try but i have two children who need me and i wouldn't want to die of embarresment from how i would do. :lol: :lol:
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No I haven't. I think I spend all my spare time on this computer. :lol: :lol: :lol:
My body is in desperate need of some attention. Maybe we can all do the drill as a form of excercise. I think my backside has never looked this big.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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i know my family is having abandonment issues :lol: :lol: :lol: and my jeans keep getting tighter
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Damn...Would love to meet ya all.... :lol: 8-) ;) :)
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I am reading a article now. Its says that Islam is the biggest threat to the Illuminati and the New World Order. They want to stop the Islam. They hate the Islam. Even when its one of the most beatyfull religion.
I don't know why, But I think this dance is a ''fight'' against the NWO/Illuminati. Thats the reason why it was so important to MJ:
[youtube:3ojwmjsz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKtdTJP_GUI[/youtube:3ojwmjsz]
They even tried to learn us the dance:
[youtube:3ojwmjsz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9awyYESUm78&feature=channel[/youtube:3ojwmjsz]
I believe this is the dance to freedom.
p.s: The reason why the ''terrorism attacks on 9/11'' were from muslims was to let us know that ''Islam is a fundementally violent religion''. More people hate islam know these days. in my country is a man. his name is Geert Wilders. He is playing his part in their plan. And also, I dont think that terrorism is made from the koran/Islam. terrorism is just a tool they made to let us believe that the islam is very dangerous and very violent. And then they can say, Islam is from now a forbidden religion. And then everybody knows the ''reason'' why they did it.
I just tried to learn this Drill dance by Travis and it's so difficult :lol: feels like I'm retarded or smth :lol: but I promise, I will do it, no matter how long it takes :D
As always, it's all for Love ;)
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I even find it hard following an aerobics instructor. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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micheal knows how to fight a war : kill your opponant with laughter :lol: he's a sly one he is 8-)
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I think this thread lately is having a high degree of eroticism :lol:
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I think this thread lately is having a high degree of eroticism :lol:
:? .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
True. Depends what Doctor Death meant.
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I implied eroticism??
Where?? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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i think you are looking for the dirty diana thread ;) :shock: :lol: :oops: