Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => This Is It => Kenny Ortega => Topic started by: Hazzely on June 05, 2010, 09:22:49 PM
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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Oh gosh - where did you find this? I agree that he looks emotional but maybe it's because Michael can't enjoy the accolades in person? I can hope, right?
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So? If stuff like this makes someone lose hope, I don't know what to say.
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Why was he crying? I don't lose hopes, but it makes me wonder..we can't deny those were real tears. He was emotional..i dk what to say..
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You know what pisses me off? That when we found pictures of him smiling we were like: oh see! Michael can't be dead, there's the proof! Yet when we find something like this we can't face the reality and think: hey man maybe he was really crying! REAL tears. We keep denying and remain skeptical when something unespected comes out
That's not the point, we are here to know the truth
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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fall allergy season?
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Crocodile tears.. WHERE IS THE WATER IN HIS EYES?? I see none. Real tears roll down the cheeks and reflect in the eyes.
It was pretty windy that day, he is probably wiping something out of his eye that the wind blew there.
I dont like this man... he smiles too much and has made too much profit with TII.
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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fall allergy season?
If so, he would've been crying all the day, right? Cause they were out, but i've seen other photos and he doesn't. He was emotional at that moment
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
Wow, I have never seen this photo before. I thought I had seen just about every one of them from the 25th on. Where did you find this one?
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Hazzely,
I've seen all of these pictures before and also one more where Elizabeth Taylor's eyes were red at the funeral and Michael's mom was also looking sad too. BUT NONE of them made me think that Michael could be gone. I'm 1500% sure that Michael is ALIVE! I found thousands of proofs that prove Michael is so alive, so why would a couple of pictures corrupt the truth I have already found? :) And this is a hoax and this needs to LOOK lie a real death. So isn't this so normal for these people trying to look sad or maybe they can be sad because of Michael's situation and not being there with them? This is NOT about denying anything. This is about being sure what some of us have found already. Unfortunately I know that there're people on the forum who are trying to be sure that Michael is gone. They're trying to find proofs that he really is gone, not trying to find proofs that he's alive. Whatever it was given to them they will keep on denying to see it. BUT the point is, they will never ever be sure that he's dead too. This's so sad. I wasn't talking about you, hope you didn't get it that way btw. But as far as I see there're people like I wrote on the forum. And I'm not so sure why they're wasting their time here and not join to a RIP forum. Anyways, hope I could clearly explain why we don't find these pictures sad or why we don't lose hope becoz of these kind of things.
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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fall allergy season?
If so, he would've been crying all the day, right? Cause they were out, but i've seen other photos and he doesn't. He was emotional at that moment
if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
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@ PureLove
Ye i've seen the pic of LIz and Katherine but that's not new, we knew about them. It's just we were always saying that we never saw a pic of Kenny crying and when we find it we deny everything about it..We have to be open minded, think about all the possibilies, cause that's why we are here, trying to find the truth, not if he's coming back or not or whatever.
@jill
Trying to figure out, I don't remember where was it from
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
Wow, I have never seen this photo before. I thought I had seen just about every one of them from the 25th on. Where did you find this one?
ok so after the memorial that casket was supposed to be gone right? so this is before. i thought i heard that mariah carey nor usher knew that it was going to be there. because i am pretty sure that is usher behind randy.yes or no to one or both questions . anyone know?
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@ PureLove
Ye i've seen the pic of LIz and Katherine but that's not new, we knew about them. It's just we were always saying that we never saw a pic of Kenny crying and when we find it we deny everything about it..We have to be open minded, think about all the possibilies, cause that's why we are here, trying to find the truth, not if he's coming back or not or whatever.
@jill
Trying to figure out, I don't remember where was it from
As I wrote before I saw Kenny's picture 8 months ago too. This is NOT the first time I'm seeing the picture. And I don't think that he's crying at all. :)
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You know what pisses me off? That when we found pictures of him smiling we were like: oh see! Michael can't be dead, there's the proof! Yet when we find something like this we can't face the reality and think: hey man maybe he was really crying! REAL tears. We keep denying and remain skeptical when something unespected comes out
That's not the point, we are here to know the truth
i totally agree with you on this point, BUT with one single still picture i can not say he was crying or even was emotional. you know this happens, i have ridiculous photos in which i look freaking angry, or as if i'm crying and sad but actually it was just an expression for less than a second and i was not angry or sad! you know what i mean! :D
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if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
Well alergies are not momentary. If you're in a place which provokes you an allergy it won't stop until you leave (and the fact is he was always there, outside)..
Plus allergies, as far as i'm concerned, cause sneezing and swelling (among others) ;/
Well, i'll keep believing those were real tears ;/
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@ PureLove
Ye i've seen the pic of LIz and Katherine but that's not new, we knew about them. It's just we were always saying that we never saw a pic of Kenny crying and when we find it we deny everything about it..We have to be open minded, think about all the possibilies, cause that's why we are here, trying to find the truth, not if he's coming back or not or whatever.
@jill
Trying to figure out, I don't remember where was it from
As I wrote before I saw Kenny's picture 8 months ago too. This is NOT the first time I'm seeing the picture. And I don't think that he's crying at all. :)
:roll: :roll:
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
Wow, I have never seen this photo before. I thought I had seen just about every one of them from the 25th on. Where did you find this one?
ok so after the memorial that casket was supposed to be gone right? so this is before. i thought i heard that mariah carey nor usher knew that it was going to be there. because i am pretty sure that is usher behind randy.yes or no to one or both questions . anyone know?
yes that's usher, even if we can only see half face lol, i'm almost sure that's him
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You know what pisses me off? That when we found pictures of him smiling we were like: oh see! Michael can't be dead, there's the proof! Yet when we find something like this we can't face the reality and think: hey man maybe he was really crying! REAL tears. We keep denying and remain skeptical when something unespected comes out
That's not the point, we are here to know the truth
Exactly! And I'm sorry to say that it is the way people keeps this "hoax" going. It is senseless and leading nowhere. :? But, maybe it's just me...
Anyway, I think these pics are from the backstage before the memorial. There you go another one.
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What about this picture of Conrad Murray crying in church???? :D :D :D
Everybody involved in this hoax have normal human feelings. If I had to pretend someone was dead, I would cry about that too. Just imagine the emotions built up inside of them, having to keep this lie to themselves for so long. It would break me.
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you know i was thinking a while ago how it must be to be in a situation , like micheal when wherever you go whatever you do you are fully aware that either there is always the potental for your picture to be taken.
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Hello to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!A big THANK YOU,Hazzel!!!!
You opened my eyes,OMGGGGGGGGG,I hope I'm not looseing my mind. :o :o :o :shock: :shock:
When i saw the pictures from THIS IS IT premiere I notest someone I knew from TV and I said to my self:FROM WHERE I KNOW THIS MAN???????????????????? :shock: :shock: :shock
Do you guys know who this man is??????????????????????????
What is he doing here,and what is his connection with the Jackson family,because heis not famous,lol.WE know him from TV and because of a BIG SCANDAL and big and WEIRD DEATH,just like Michael's DEATH. :lol: :lol: :lol:
SOMETHING IS FISHY HERE.
LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
That is backstage at Staples.
And yes, Usher is in the photo too. Here's another pic from that day where you can see Usher's whole face:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/091009/michael_jackson_l.jpg)
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Hello to everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!A big THANK YOU,Hazzel!!!!
You opened my eyes,OMGGGGGGGGG,I hope I'm not looseing my mind. :o :o :o :shock: :shock:
When i saw the pictures from THIS IS IT premiere I notest someone I knew from TV and I said to my self:FROM WHERE I KNOW THIS MAN???????????????????? :shock: :shock: :shock
Do you guys know who this man is??????????????????????????
What is he doing here,and what is his connection with the Jackson family,because heis not famous,lol.WE know him from TV and because of a BIG SCANDAL and big and WEIRD DEATH,just like Michael's DEATH. :lol: :lol: :lol:
SOMETHING IS FISHY HERE.
LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
This guy is Larry Birkhead Granitz (check out the name of the pic :D ) but can't find anything about him :s , Is he a photographer?
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Larry Birkhead says he still struggles with the death of Anna Nicole Smith, which happened two years ago Sunday.
“Even after two years, it is hard to believe that Anna is gone,” Birkhead — who fathered two-year-old Dannielynn with the actress — tells Usmagazine.com.My only comfort is that I have a beautiful daughter,” he continues. “That serves as a constant reminder of a beautiful life gone too soon.”
Smith died from a lethal combination of nine drugs, according to Broward County medical examiner Dr. Joshua Perper. She was 39.She was laid to rest wearing a tiara and custom-made, beaded gown in the Bahamas’ Lake View cemetery — next to her son, Daniel, who had died of drug-related causes five months prior.
Birkhead won custody of Dannielynn in April 2007.
So he was Anna's partner, what is he doing at the premiere ;/
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Ok, seems that the name of picture is wrong, check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Birkhead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Birkhead)
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
That is backstage at Staples.
And yes, Usher is in the photo too. Here's another pic from that day where you can see Usher's whole face:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/091009/michael_jackson_l.jpg)
ok but was it no one who performed was supposed to be aware that it would be there or just mariah?
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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YES HE IS LARRY BRIKHEAD,I KNOW THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT ITS MORE,LOL
HOW COME YOU DONT KNOW HIM,OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG?
HE IS THE FATHER OF ANNA NICOLE SMITH DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
AND WHAT IS HE DOING THERE????????????
SOMETHING IS FISHY HERE,I AND SUSPECT THAY ANNA NICOLE DEATH IS AN HOAX ALSO,SORRY BUT THIS IS MY OPINION GUYS.I BELIEVE THIS ABOUT ALOT MORE WEIRD DEATHS ACCTUALY.
HERE IS WHAT TV CAN DO TO YOU GUYS,AND WHEN YOU ARE BUSY WITH SOMEONES LIFE AND NOT YOURS.WE BECOME THE TV,WE BECOME THE GOSSIPS,WE BECOME A MACHINE,WE BECOME THE NEWSPAPARES,AND WE FORGET TO BE HUMANS WITH A HEART .BY BUYING NEWSPAPERS ,WE BUY OUR TICHET TO THIS CIRCUS THAT WE CALL LIFE.
[youtube:10ugavmu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu-7SPM835E&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:10ugavmu]
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(http://blogs.trb.com/features/family/parenting/blog/kenny.jpg)
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YES HE IS LARRY BRIKHEAD,I KNOW THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!BUT ITS MORE,LOL
HOW COME YOU DONT KNOW HIM,OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG?
HE IS THE FATHER OF ANNA NICOLE SMITH DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
AND WHAT IS HE DOING THERE????????????
SOMETHING IS FISHY HERE,I AND SUSPECT THAY ANNA NICOLE DEATH IS AN HOAX ALSO,SORRY BUT THIS IS MY OPINION GUYS.I BELIEVE THIS ABOUT ALOT MORE WEIRD DEATHS ACCTUALY.
HERE IS WHAT TV CAN DO TO YOU GUYS,AND WHEN YOU ARE BUSY WITH SOMEONES LIFE AND NOT YOURS.WE BECOME THE TV,WE BECOME THE GOSSIPS,WE BECOME A MACHINE,WE BECOME THE NEWSPAPARES,AND WE FORGET TO BE HUMANS WITH A HEART .BY BUYING NEWSPAPERS ,WE BUY OUR TICHET TO THIS CIRCUS THAT WE CALL LIFE.
[youtube:2emxw1y5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu-7SPM835E&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2emxw1y5]
i knew Anna, not him :lol:
Anna died because she mixed some anti-depressive pills which can't be combined for it's lethal (just saw the other day Famous Crime Scenes .Anna Nicole Smith -after watching Michael's ofc..). Her son died of an overdose, that's why she was on treatment.
She is really gone, no hoax ;/
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9377/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/thisisitpremieremichael.jpg/)
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After 11 months, you still talk about "real" tears? Where are they? I haven't even seen a real tear from any family member. So I need to :roll:
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:lol: YA SURE.YOU ARE SO FUNNY HAZZEL!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
OFCOURSE WE ONLY KNEW ANNA AND NOT HIM,LOL.I WAS JUST KIDDING!!!! :oops:
BUT,A BIG BUT,WE SAY THAT MJ IS NOT DEATH,YES?HOW CRAZY IT SOUND THIS TO PEOPLE FROM "OUTSIDE"? :lol:
WE SAW MJ DEATH ON THIS Famous Crime Scenes ,ALSO.NO?AND WE STILL SAY THAT MJ IS ALIVE AND WELL. :roll: :roll: :roll:
SO HOW CRAZY IS IF I SAY THIS ,THEN??????????????????????????????????
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:lol: YA SURE.YOU ARE SO FUNNY HAZZEL!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!
OFCOURSE WE ONLY KNEW ANNA AND NOT HIM,LOL.I WAS JUST KIDDING!!!! :oops:
BUT,A BIG BUT,WE SAY THAT MJ IS NOT DEATH,YES?HOW CRAZY IT SOUND THIS TO PEOPLE FROM "OUTSIDE"? :lol:
WE SAW MJ DEATH ON THIS Famous Crime Scenes ,ALSO.NO?AND WE STILL SAY THAT MJ IS ALIVE AND WELL. :roll: :roll: :roll:
SO HOW CRAZY IS IF I SAY THIS ,THEN??????????????????????????????????[
Just to come up with something? :lol: :lol:
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+ where was this taken? It's not where they placed it at the memorial, it has to be previous or post ;/
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9048/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg) (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonsfuneralp.jpg/)
That is backstage at Staples.
And yes, Usher is in the photo too. Here's another pic from that day where you can see Usher's whole face:
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/091009/michael_jackson_l.jpg)
ok but was it no one who performed was supposed to be aware that it would be there or just mariah?
I don't remember hearing anything about it being a secret or hush hush at all. There were reports online on Fox and elsewhere, about how the casket was going to be there.
“We are told now to expect the casket to appear that his body will be — at least according to preliminary reports, the final decision is still the family’s -- the body will brought through the streets of Los Angeles and delivered to the Staples Center where we are expecting it will take front and center stage for his fans to say a final goodbye.” .... In fact, in case L.A. traffic is too jammed, "[Police officials are] preparing for the possibility of actually having to air lift the body to Staples Center."
And this from Police Chief Bratton:
"Michael Jackson’s casket will reportedly be transported to his public memorial held at the Staples Center in Los Angeles — Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton told The Associated Press on Tuesday morning.
“Mr. Jackson’s remains will be going to the Staples Center. We’re not giving any details,” Chief William Bratton told reporters."
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oh ok i just thought i heard that mc messed up her song and the "reason " was that she hadn't expected to see the casket there. :oops:
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YA,YA KEEP LAUGHING GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
THIS IS MAD MADNESS!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE WATCH THIS,OK:ITS ANNA ACTING ,LET'S SAY REALLY "BAD",LOL.SHE SAYS SHE WOKE UP IN A COMA,LIKE BRIAN OXMAN SAID ABOUT MJ(THAT ONE DAY HE WILL WOKE UP DEATH, :shock: ).AND IN THE END ANNA SAY TO US TO HAVE FAITH IN HER BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA LAST FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
[youtube:17ai6664]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGjN4lTZtYc&feature=related[/youtube:17ai6664]
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Crocodile tears.. WHERE IS THE WATER IN HIS EYES?? I see none. Real tears roll down the cheeks and reflect in the eyes.
It was pretty windy that day, he is probably wiping something out of his eye that the wind blew there.
I dont like this man... he smiles too much and has made too much profit with TII.
I agree, I never trusted him either :(
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oh ok i just thought i heard that mc messed up her song and the "reason " was that she hadn't expected to see the casket there. :oops:
She did say that 0n a talk show. I heard her say it. :? She also said that she was so upset after the song, that she left staples immediately after.
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Kenny look like he just wiping his eye to me. I don't get a sad vibe from that photo. Also notice Usher is in one of those backstage memorial photos. I thought none of the performers at the memorial knew the coffin would be there.
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maybe he just had slized some unions ?? :lol: :lol: i know i get teares in my eyes doing that :oops:
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If people have definitely changed sides in the hoax there is no reason to try to push others to do the same by saying we are blind, etc. and being rude. Just bow out gracefully as I will do from which ever side that my heart finally leads me to for closure. This is the hoax site forever. If your journey here is over, move on to the memorial sites. There are ogles of them. There are people who are still unsure and will have questions, that's normal. But when you come here and name call and degrade our efforts, then its time for you to go where you feel more comfortable. No one is forcing anyone to believe or to stay. The same could be said for those who discard the findings of people who are not quite sure and who bring some odd things too our attention that could point to a murder being committed. I thought our role was to investigate EVERYTHING, not just things that point to the hoax, but also those that could in some way point to another truth like Kenny's tears, without being insensitive and condescending :roll: Come on people, an investigation has 2 sides to it. Gotta take all the facts into consideration. We made the news!! Keep up the GOOD work. No time to be petty now, too much still to be discovered and ripped to the bare bone. ;) As far as Kenny's tears are concerned, I feel that if they are indeed real, he is crying because he knows he is and has been a Judas in Michael's life. His conscious is probably kicking his ass. I don't particularly trust Ortega anyway so my opinion of him could be a bit biased. I think he is no different from any of the other snakes that slithered into Michael's life at an opportune time.
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If people have definitely changed sides in the hoax there is no reason to try to push others to do the same by saying we are blind, etc. and being rude. Just bow out gracefully as I will do from which ever side that my heart finally leads me to for closure. This is the hoax site forever. If your journey here is over, move on to the memorial sites. There are ogles of them. There are people who are still unsure and will have questions, that's normal. But when you come here and name call and degrade our efforts, then its time for you to go where you feel more comfortable. No one is forcing anyone to believe or to stay. The same could be said for those who discard the findings of people who are not quite sure and who bring some odd things too our attention that could point to a murder being committed. I thought our role was to investigate EVERYTHING, not just things that point to the hoax, but also those that could in some way point to another truth like Kenny's tears, without being insensitive and condescending :roll: Come on people, an investigation has 2 sides to it. Gotta take all the facts into consideration. We made the news!! Keep up the GOOD work. No time to be petty now, too much still to be discovered and ripped to the bare bone. ;) As far as Kenny's tears are concerned, I feel that if they are indeed real, he is crying because he knows he is and has been a Judas in Michael's life. His conscious is probably kicking his ass. I don't particularly trust Ortega anyway so my opinion of him could be a bit biased. I think he is no different from any of the other snakes that slithered into Michael's life at an opportune time.
Is that for me? :shock: :?
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If you are the original poster, DUH, NO, that's in defense of you. Please read it again.
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oh ok i just thought i heard that mc messed up her song and the "reason " was that she hadn't expected to see the casket there. :oops:
She did say that 0n a talk show. I heard her say it. :? She also said that she was so upset after the song, that she left staples immediately after.
thank you, thought maybe i was just making things up in my head again :lol: :oops:
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If you are the original poster, DUH, NO, that's in defense of you. Please read it again.
Oh ye read it again and makes sense :lol:
I was just surprised cause I thought those sentences in boldface were for me :geek: I'm a believer, we are, and I guess none of us will give up now (hope so), we are on the right track :roll:
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YA,YA KEEP LAUGHING GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
THIS IS MAD MADNESS!!!!!!!!!
PLEASE WATCH THIS,OK:ITS ANNA ACTING ,LET'S SAY REALLY "BAD",LOL.SHE SAYS SHE WOKE UP IN A COMA,LIKE BRIAN OXMAN SAID ABOUT MJ(THAT ONE DAY HE WILL WOKE UP DEATH, :shock: ).AND IN THE END ANNA SAY TO US TO HAVE FAITH IN HER BECAUSE THIS IS GONNA LAST FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
[youtube:3ouem5oa]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGjN4lTZtYc&feature=related[/youtube:3ouem5oa]
i agree with you
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if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
Well alergies are not momentary. If you're in a place which provokes you an allergy it won't stop until you leave (and the fact is he was always there, outside)..
Plus allergies, as far as i'm concerned, cause sneezing and swelling (among others) ;/
Well, i'll keep believing those were real tears ;/
guess i took the first post as another well it's over kenny cried kind of thing.what do you think provoked tears if it is not genuine sadness that micheal is dead? you know i can sometimes see how the boys could become dead inside, as far what the dealing with joe could have done to them becomeing incapable of natural emotion.but as mother who has lost a child i can't imagine why katherine would not be way beyond sad.
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if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
Well alergies are not momentary. If you're in a place which provokes you an allergy it won't stop until you leave (and the fact is he was always there, outside)..
Plus allergies, as far as i'm concerned, cause sneezing and swelling (among others) ;/
Well, i'll keep believing those were real tears ;/
guess i took the first post as another well it's over kenny cried kind of thing.what do you think provoked tears if it is not genuine sadness that micheal is dead? you know i can sometimes see how the boys could become dead inside, as far what the dealing with joe could have done to them becomeing incapable of natural emotion.but as mother who has lost a child i can't imagine why katherine would not be way beyond sad
I don't know what could make him cry that day at the premiere, but im sure it wasn't an allergy (as some of you said) ;/. Maybe despair, desperation, pressure and sadness (but don't know why if Michael is alive, that's the weirdest part)
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if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
Well alergies are not momentary. If you're in a place which provokes you an allergy it won't stop until you leave (and the fact is he was always there, outside)..
Plus allergies, as far as i'm concerned, cause sneezing and swelling (among others) ;/
Well, i'll keep believing those were real tears ;/
guess i took the first post as another well it's over kenny cried kind of thing.what do you think provoked tears if it is not genuine sadness that micheal is dead? you know i can sometimes see how the boys could become dead inside, as far what the dealing with joe could have done to them becomeing incapable of natural emotion.but as mother who has lost a child i can't imagine why katherine would not be way beyond sad
I don't know what could make him cry that day at the premiere, but im sure it wasn't an allergy (as some of you said) ;/. Maybe despair, desperation, pressure and sadness (but don't know why if Michael is alive, that's the weirdest part)
i think it was only me who mentioned allergies.so you are saying the premier (sp) stuff went on all day that day and you have seen pictures of him throughout that day and this is the only time he looked like he was crying. i'm just trying to get on the same page , bare with me please>
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if anyone in this group is going to get emotional i would expect it to be kenny. i just think the kind of darkness under the eyes and that sort of overall redness reminds me of allergies. if he had been crying i would have to guess it wasn't mometarily for him to look like that .we have no idea what any one of them knows or how they might be affected by what they know. kenny to me always seems somewhat nervous and ill at ease in interviews and such. i believe he knows something that saddens him. but it doesn't have to be want we were told.
Well alergies are not momentary. If you're in a place which provokes you an allergy it won't stop until you leave (and the fact is he was always there, outside)..
Plus allergies, as far as i'm concerned, cause sneezing and swelling (among others) ;/
Well, i'll keep believing those were real tears ;/
guess i took the first post as another well it's over kenny cried kind of thing.what do you think provoked tears if it is not genuine sadness that micheal is dead? you know i can sometimes see how the boys could become dead inside, as far what the dealing with joe could have done to them becomeing incapable of natural emotion.but as mother who has lost a child i can't imagine why katherine would not be way beyond sad
I don't know what could make him cry that day at the premiere, but im sure it wasn't an allergy (as some of you said) ;/. Maybe despair, desperation, pressure and sadness (but don't know why if Michael is alive, that's the weirdest part)
i think it was only me who mentioned allergies.so you are saying the premier (sp) stuff went on all day that day and you have seen pictures of him throughout that day and this is the only time he looked like he was crying. i'm just trying to get on the same page , bare with me please>
Yes. This is the only pic with him crying that i could find from the premiere. The rest of the pics are him posing in front of fans and cameras
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well this is so much trickier than the family. he seems as though he could have a somewhat appropriate level of sadness and composure throughout. having said that it is almost like you can feel that he knows things. and that those things are connected to the real truth which doesn't appear to be what we have been getting.
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I was very emotional when I saw This Is It. Even though I knew in my heart that MJ was still here, it still hurt like hell knowing that I might never see him again. This movie could be the last thing that was documented about MJ. I cried my eyes out and I still get emotional when I watch it. So, IMO, it is almost expected of people to get emotional at the premier.
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Could it be the it was very hot that day and he was just blotting the sweat off of his face? IDK, just a thought.
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Could it be the it was very hot that day and he was just blotting the sweat off of his face? IDK, just a thought.
this crossed my mind too but i didn't want to offer it up after the allergy thing. :oops: there is just no way to tell with still photos. heck there is no way to tell with digital period i guess. my husband was telling me recently that digital photos were not admissable in court (this is info from a crime drama thing so i don't know how reliable , but interesting if it's true).
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My opinion is the making of this movie was surely full of emotions. Lots of reasons behind this. I can only imagine that the emotions of WHY they made it along with completeing it then knowing that MJ was going to have to go away for a while had to be very emotion for some. MJ, Kenny, family, im sure they have all had emotions off and on. But thats also why we have seen smiles here and there too. THey know the truth. Hopefully we will too here before too long!@!!
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My opinion is the making of this movie was surely full of emotions. Lots of reasons behind this. I can only imagine that the emotions of WHY they made it along with completeing it then knowing that MJ was going to have to go away for a while had to be very emotion for some. MJ, Kenny, family, im sure they have all had emotions off and on. But thats also why we have seen smiles here and there too. THey know the truth. Hopefully we will too here before too long!@!!
from everything that has been said it is hard to tell where kenny stands with the family and with aeg.it almost feels like he is in some sort of trap himself. does that ring true for anyone else? :?
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I appears to me that Kenny was just wiping his face. Any how this one picture could never convince me that Michael is gone.
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I appears to me that Kenny was just wiping his face. Any how this one picture could never convince me that Michael is gone.
i finally got it through my head that the original intent was not to suggest that but simply ask(if it was so) then why tears then and not in the beginnig.
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Thanks for the photos. I haven't ever seen these.
When I went to see TII I was a mess. I knew that MJ was alive yet the movie moved me, so much emotion!! Not knowing if I'd ever see MJ again, not knowing the truth, just all of it gave me tears. So Kenny could be no doubt just showing confusion and sadness like any human would.
So many years of not seeing anything MJ concerned, the film was very powerful in that 'here he is! OMG this is really MJ and it's amazing to watch and amazing I even get the chance!"
I have allergies too and I used a lot of tissues that night. I didn't want the film to end, I sat till the theater lights came on, I watched the other people leave till there were just a few left. I wondered if those few were having the same feeling as I?
Kenny was a part of MJ in this, it has to be emotional. Sometimes it does take too much effort to be happy and smile, some days it is just easier to let the tide of sadness and tears take you over.
Even though you know in your heart after all these months there is hope.
I know a lot of believers that still cry to this day, a lot of believers that really are close to the edge, never giving up but wanting peace of mind.
This month is not going to easy.
Maybe we lost the The King Of Pop but we have misplaced Michael Jackson.
Please Michael we need you now more than ever.
Ever a soldier of L*O*V*E
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I am one of the criers too. I can't help it. It's still so sad what ever the reason, that there is no positive word or sighting or anything of Michael. All we have are clues. It is sad. He should be making appearances, promoting and directing something, anything. But not a single sound. The lack of any motion or commotion stirring around a Michael Jackson anything is just plain sad :( It's like something is missing from the air, from the universe. Magic :cry: Wonderment :cry: Michael :cry:
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I am one of the criers too. I can't help it. It's still so sad what ever the reason, that there is no positive word or sighting or anything of Michael. All we have are clues. It is sad. He should be making appearances, promoting and directing something, anything. But not a single sound. The lack of any motion or commotion stirring around a Michael Jackson anything is just plain sad :( It's like something is missing from the air, from the universe. Magic :cry: Wonderment :cry: Michael :cry:
Well I understand you but you should (we should) also understand HIM. He can't just come back out of nowhere..he needs peace, he's been trough many things.. We all miss him and want him to be with us again, but what's for sure the most important thing is his integrity and safety. We love him, so we will wait whatever it takes :)
If he's not coming back it doesn't mean he's not alive! Not at all. It means he found what he was looking for, but also look at it this way.. he faked his death to KEEP ON living, those 50 concerts, AEG and the people who were after him were just going to end up killing him for real..so imagine what would mean to them if he came back..even more reasons to get him.
I hope it makes sense, to me it does :roll:
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real tears DO NOT ALWAYS STREAM DOWN YOUR FACE!! you've got to be kidding.
I lost my mother in 2002 and many times my eyes swelled up and watered yet i didnt have waterfalls coming from my eyes. that doesnt mean that I WAS NOT CRYING AND IN REAL PAIN. this man is really crying in the pic and the fact that you can deny that is really unbelievable. sure it doesnt fit in with what you want to believe about this hoax but to negate that he is crying is completely unbelievable.
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hadn't thought of it until just now but who says it could not have been happy tears.it was a successful project hoax or not.
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my[KING]"]real tears DO NOT ALWAYS STREAM DOWN YOUR FACE!! you've got to be kidding.
I lost my mother in 2002 and many times my eyes swelled up and watered yet i didnt have waterfalls coming from my eyes. that doesnt mean that I WAS NOT CRYING AND IN REAL PAIN. this man is really crying in the pic and the fact that you can deny that is really unbelievable. sure it doesnt fit in with what you want to believe about this hoax but to negate that he is crying is completely unbelievable.
i have to agree too, that is a sad face, those are sad eyes. doesnt mean i dont believe in the hoax.
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and i believe in the hoax.
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I am one of the criers too. I can't help it. It's still so sad what ever the reason, that there is no positive word or sighting or anything of Michael. All we have are clues. It is sad. He should be making appearances, promoting and directing something, anything. But not a single sound. The lack of any motion or commotion stirring around a Michael Jackson anything is just plain sad :( It's like something is missing from the air, from the universe. Magic :cry: Wonderment :cry: Michael :cry:
Well I understand you but you should (we should) also understand HIM. He can't just come back out of nowhere..he needs peace, he's been trough many things.. We all miss him and want him to be with us again, but what's for sure the most important thing is his integrity and safety. We love him, so we will wait whatever it takes :)
If he's not coming back it doesn't mean he's not alive! Not at all. It means he found what he was looking for, but also look at it this way.. he faked his death to KEEP ON living, those 50 concerts, AEG and the people who were after him were just going to end up killing him for real..so imagine what would mean to them if he came back..even more reasons to get him.
I hope it makes sense, to me it does :roll:
I don't expect him to come back, I'm just saying tor me that it is sad that he HAD to go away. What I am trying to say in my initial comment is that I wish somebody, somewhere would just confirm that he is okay. Someone who knows and can validate their association. I can pick up my heart off the floor, dust it off, and go on if only there was a reassurance that he is not just alive somewhere, but that he is alive and well. I would hate to think that he is wasting away somewhere, sick or hurting. I want to know that Michael Jackson is alright :cry: Can you do that? :roll: :!:
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I am one of the criers too. I can't help it. It's still so sad what ever the reason, that there is no positive word or sighting or anything of Michael. All we have are clues. It is sad. He should be making appearances, promoting and directing something, anything. But not a single sound. The lack of any motion or commotion stirring around a Michael Jackson anything is just plain sad :( It's like something is missing from the air, from the universe. Magic :cry: Wonderment :cry: Michael :cry:
Well I understand you but you should (we should) also understand HIM. He can't just come back out of nowhere..he needs peace, he's been trough many things.. We all miss him and want him to be with us again, but what's for sure the most important thing is his integrity and safety. We love him, so we will wait whatever it takes :)
If he's not coming back it doesn't mean he's not alive! Not at all. It means he found what he was looking for, but also look at it this way.. he faked his death to KEEP ON living, those 50 concerts, AEG and the people who were after him were just going to end up killing him for real..so imagine what would mean to them if he came back..even more reasons to get him.
I hope it makes sense, to me it does :roll:
I don't expect him to come back, I'm just saying tor me that it is sad that he HAD to go away. What I am trying to say in my initial comment is that I wish somebody, somewhere would just confirm that he is okay. Someone who knows and can validate their association. I can pick up my heart off the floor, dust it off, and go on if only there was a reassurance that he is not just alive somewhere, but that he is alive and well. I would hate to think that he is wasting away somewhere, sick or hurting. I want to know that Michael Jackson is alright :cry: Can you do that? :roll: :!:
If i could I wouldn't be here now..=(
I really hope he's ok..What freaks me out is that I was so damn upset he wasn't answering my questions so I asked randy to admit he's gone if he really is because there are many rumors and hoax sites and so on and this needed to stop to let him rest in peace..and right after that he said: I know my brother is at peace although I miss him so much. Now that he is gone, my job is to uphold his wishes & make sure justice is served
I dk if that was an indirect way to answer my (and many others) questions but it freaks me out..we wanted him to admit it cause we thought that if he didn't was because he knew he was lying..and.... maybe this just means nothing..but it touched me
Got days when i try to encourage the ppl but others when i'm feeling really down,like today. This is a rollercoaster :cry:
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yeah yeah Kenny is crying with the Jacksons :lol:
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I think everyone while watching TII got emotional, me personally cry each time when i watch Michael on TV, i cried a lot during TII but i was and am almost sure that he is alive.
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I don't think we can take his crying as a good or bad thing. Think about it, if you were at the "This Is It' premiere, wouldn't you be crying too? Heck, I cry almost everytime I see it and I don't believe Mike's dead. Some of his songs make me cry instantly because of the emotion in them. This doesn't mean anything.
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Well Kenny cry? .. and the brothers laugh and pose for photographers ... :? :lol:
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Just found this picture from "This is it" premiere... :? :? :? :cry: :cry:
Seem real tears and pain to me. :cry:
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yeah the tears seem real....but maybe he felt touched by the emotions of the fans about the movie, you know? Just a thought
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I was very emotional when I saw This Is It. Even though I knew in my heart that MJ was still here, it still hurt like hell knowing that I might never see him again. This movie could be the last thing that was documented about MJ. I cried my eyes out and I still get emotional when I watch it. So, IMO, it is almost expected of people to get emotional at the premier.
Ok,I was very emotional too,but If I had helped Michael in the death hoax plan,in the fake TII rehersal,and I knew for sure Michael is alive,I have to tell you that no tear would drop out of my eyes watchin TII.
I understand Hazzely point of view...Somehow she is right when she says that many people want to see just the smiles of the family,or Kenny smiles..since this fits better with the hoax. In someway,it is true. We are all very much focused on the hoax ,me included,and it is obvious that we look for clues he is alive,not for clues he is dead. ANd please,don't deny that some things also fit very good in the real death theory (murder or whatever). Fortunately,we have LOT of things that talk on the contary of a hoax. And that is what keeps the hoax theory alive and strong.
Also,think that ALL our sources (news,pictures on web,Jacksons interviews, memorial.etc..) are
questionable,not just when they talk of MJ death, but also when they feed the hoax theory.WE all must be very careful anyway. Hoax believers are a good business for many people (estate,family,TMZ... )..and I mean that an artist told dead but that still should be alive (like elvis), is worth more.Sad to say,but it is real.
Now,I go on topic. Kenny tears. They seem to me tears...
IF it is a hoax:
-he "cries" because a photo has to be taken,and it is a good pose attitude
-he cries because he is too much underpressure (too many lies to say)
If MJ is dead:
-he cries because he really miss his friend loss
-he cries because he feels he could have helped Michael
I doubt he cries for allergies.
But answers will come,I hope! :)
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I have never seen a casket that has approx 1 foot at the end of the casket that was able to be opened just to get a head shot ! Plus I zoomed in and all I can see is the top of the casket, it looks like he was playing or smelling the floral arrangement on top. check it out, enlarge the picture,and you will see.