Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: badkolo on May 29, 2010, 05:59:39 PM
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Watch this video but first pay attention to the first few minutes, watch the double that gets off the plane, watch him walk into the airport and pay close attention to him in the airport SHOP, watch his manerisms, watch his head and hand movement, and then watch tii, and guess who we just found, Now this was 10 years ago and hes not just a impersonator, this is his double he sends around the world as himself. The impersonators are never concerned about cameras getting to close but this double sure is, he doesnt like the camera getting to close and for a good reason, cause hes no impersanator, he is michael jacksons double, he moves and talks just like someone in Tii.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ)
original video from korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517ZH4&feature=related)
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to me that's michael..
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He perfected fooling people, he has been doing it so well for so long that i dont blame anyone that is confused and cant see that he had doubles.
At least I know that after 11 hard months of looking at photos and videos, re searching, looking at evidence and lurking behind the scenes, And trust me I'm as sane as you can get and I am 100% without any doubt completly certain everyone is in for a RUDE awakening, Michael jackson used doubles as hard as it is to believe, HE DID.
The strange thing is, the more you truly look the more they stand apart, in reality they looking nothing alike, but they do look dam close thanks to surgery.
I am not trying to convinve anyone, the ones who know he used doubles just know, we can clearly see it, but the rest of you who are in doubt, it is certainly understandable why its hard to grasp this concept so I am sure when the SH*T hits the fan and it goes down you will know what I am saying.
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His movements are bizarre
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you know...if he looked different some days it doesn't mean he used doubles.. just my opinion no need to get heated
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of coarse, anything is possible, and dont worry, no issues from me. we can all think for ourselves and that makes life easier for all of us, lol.
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still that video is great, i agree that those gestures were weird, but [for me =)] not as far as being a double
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Thats michael... he done the exact same thing to the cameraman in a video store to widen the shot of his face!!!
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double or nothing? double for sure!
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...lol
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He perfected fooling people, he has been doing it so well for so long that i dont blame anyone that is confused and cant see that he had doubles.
At least I know that after 11 hard months of looking at photos and videos, re searching, looking at evidence and lurking behind the scenes, And trust me I'm as sane as you can get and I am 100% without any doubt completly certain everyone is in for a RUDE awakening, Michael jackson used doubles as hard as it is to believe, HE DID.
The strange thing is, the more you truly look the more they stand apart, in reality they looking nothing alike, but they do look dam close thanks to surgery.
I am not trying to convinve anyone, the ones who know he used doubles just know, we can clearly see it, but the rest of you who are in doubt, it is certainly understandable why its hard to grasp this concept so I am sure when the SH*T hits the fan and it goes down you will know what I am saying.
Aman!!
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8-)
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He perfected fooling people, he has been doing it so well for so long that i dont blame anyone that is confused and cant see that he had doubles.
At least I know that after 11 hard months of looking at photos and videos, re searching, looking at evidence and lurking behind the scenes, And trust me I'm as sane as you can get and I am 100% without any doubt completly certain everyone is in for a RUDE awakening, Michael jackson used doubles as hard as it is to believe, HE DID.
The strange thing is, the more you truly look the more they stand apart, in reality they looking nothing alike, but they do look dam close thanks to surgery.
I am not trying to convinve anyone, the ones who know he used doubles just know, we can clearly see it, but the rest of you who are in doubt, it is certainly understandable why its hard to grasp this concept so I am sure when the SH*T hits the fan and it goes down you will know what I am saying.
I totally agree. You can tell by the eyes and nose. They are different. No one can change their eyes that much. When you look in MJ's eyes, you it's him. Great video.
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Watch this video but first pay attention to the first few minutes, watch the double that gets off the plane, watch him walk into the airport and pay close attention to him in the airport SHOP, watch his manerisms, watch his head and hand movement, and then watch tii, and guess who we just found, Now this was 10 years ago and hes not just a impersonator, this is his double he sends around the world as himself. The impersonators are never concerned about cameras getting to close but this double sure is, he doesnt like the camera getting to close and for a good reason, cause hes no impersanator, he is michael jacksons double, he moves and talks just like someone in Tii.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ)
original video from korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517ZH4&feature=related)
hm, to me it was such a double..... Maybe it werent even his real kids under that scarf...
I don't know but his face looks so not like Michael. But that's just my opinion
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I agree that's no double...
That's a dopple-mother fucking-ganger thank you very much.
Good job Badkolo.
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I agree that's no double...
That's a dopple-mother fucking-ganger thank you very much.
Good job Badkolo.
what is a dopple??? :?
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He does look slightly different. Now, he could fool the people that watched the video, but could he fool the people that were there with him? He had an identical double, fine. I want to know how did MJ used any of these doubles on June 25, 2009? How does the double theory prove Michael Jackson is still alive? These are sincere questions which I've asked a dozen times, but they've been overlooked.
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He does look slightly different. Now, he could fool the people that looked at the video, but could he fool the people that were there with him? He had an identical double, fine. I want to know how did MJ used any of these doubles on June 25, 2009? How does the double theory prove Michael Jackson is still alive? These are sincere questions which I've asked a dozen times, but they've been overlooked.
The people close around him would be involved of course
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I agree that's no double...
That's a dopple-mother fucking-ganger thank you very much.
Good job Badkolo.
what is a dopple??? :?
Doppleganger: means Double.
Literally "double-goer"
Etymology: German Doppelgänger, from doppel- double + -gänger goer
OBTW, I'm digging these videos. They're very well produced and thought provoking.
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The one in Korea is definitely Michael himself. I can recognize those beautiful hands and brown finger nails anywhere. And the way he treats to kids and all of his moves are just Michael. No double there. But of course I do know that he uses doubles but just not in there. :)
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He does look slightly different. Now, he could fool the people that looked at the video, but could he fool the people that were there with him? He had an identical double, fine. I want to know how did MJ used any of these doubles on June 25, 2009? How does the double theory prove Michael Jackson is still alive? These are sincere questions which I've asked a dozen times, but they've been overlooked.
The people close around him would be involved of course
But that would be one too many people and a very risky situation, considering the amount of fans in there.
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I have only my own thoughts and no evidence on that last question, but I think that TII has brought the main doubles and dopplegangers who have had a part in the "projection" of Michael Jackson that we have been seeing over the years. It ties in with the line in TII title...discover the man you never knew...It would appear that we never knew the difference between MJ and a double. Or we had our suspicions but dismissed them as being too absurd to seriously contemplate. It has taken the hoax to finally get us to seriously consider some of the more out there thinking and because of that we are discovering things we've previously let slip by even though they were so plainly in sight to all. I do believe in the big reveal and we will be amazed to an even greater degree when MJ like a master magician opens this whole thing right up for all to see in plain daylight. Only my erratic thoughts here,
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He does look slightly different. Now, he could fool the people that looked at the video, but could he fool the people that were there with him? He had an identical double, fine. I want to know how did MJ used any of these doubles on June 25, 2009? How does the double theory prove Michael Jackson is still alive? These are sincere questions which I've asked a dozen times, but they've been overlooked.
The people close around him would be involved of course
But that would be one too many people and a very risky situation, considering the amount of fans in there.
Why? You're looking right at it, being told it's a double, and you still don't believe, so what's the risk? The power of suggestion is very strong in a group dynamic. It's a well documented social phenomenon, the story of The Emperor's New Clothes is a good example of this.
And it has little to do with proving whether Michael is alive or not but since many of us have moved past wondering about that, this theory is an interesting one to investigate while we wait.
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Thanks for responding RK. I appreciate your thoughts. I wouldn't blame him for using a double if he did, though. Did you see how he (or double) was pulled by someone when he stretched his arm to greet that fan? He didnt expect that.
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He does look slightly different. Now, he could fool the people that looked at the video, but could he fool the people that were there with him? He had an identical double, fine. I want to know how did MJ used any of these doubles on June 25, 2009? How does the double theory prove Michael Jackson is still alive? These are sincere questions which I've asked a dozen times, but they've been overlooked.
The people close around him would be involved of course
But that would be one too many people and a very risky situation, considering the amount of fans in there.
Why? You're looking right at it, being told it's a double, and you still don't believe, so what's the risk? The power of suggestion is very strong in a group dynamic. It's a well documented social phenomenon, the story of The Emperor's New Clothes is a good example of this.
And it has little to do with proving whether Michael is alive or not but since many of us have moved past wondering about that, this theory is an interesting one to investigate while we wait.
The power of suggestion...I think this double theory will be the one topic just a few will agree with, then. Because we have been told and shown that there is only one Michael Jackson, that no one can dance or sing like him, that he is the sweet guy who loves children and cares for humanity and the planet, that he has a message, and it should be spread. But who is MJ? There are at least three MJ, some suggest. Whose message are we to spread? Which Michael really cares for the planet and humanity? Which Michael sings and dances? If he did have doubles, there should be a powerful, very powerful reason behind his acts, I hope, otherwise those who dont understand will simply lose respect for the man, if it is ever revealed he used doubles just to test the waters... But anyways, I am no one to judge him. Its his life and only he knows what it is like.
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Michael
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Although I have to say, I'm not in agreement with that last video saying that there was another Michael the whole time, since childhood. Then again, what do I know? The idea is sort of out there; I guess a bit too out there for me. I feel there should be a bit more reason to part 5 than what they've shown there. The other four parts, I can see reason in. Guess I just gotta wait for part 6. :lol:
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Watch this video but first pay attention to the first few minutes, watch the double that gets off the plane, watch him walk into the airport and pay close attention to him in the airport SHOP, watch his manerisms, watch his head and hand movement, and then watch tii, and guess who we just found, Now this was 10 years ago and hes not just a impersonator, this is his double he sends around the world as himself. The impersonators are never concerned about cameras getting to close but this double sure is, he doesnt like the camera getting to close and for a good reason, cause hes no impersanator, he is michael jacksons double, he moves and talks just like someone in Tii.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ)
original video from korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517ZH4&feature=related)
Well, the vid froze up way too much for me after only a minute & im on cable:)
Anyway, the first photo IMO is Mike. The second one of him coming off the plane looked as tho it could have been a double, but that is when the vid seized up too much.
Either or it is common to use a double & i have no problem with that issue. In the end it wont really matter IMO
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I couldn't even watch those videos. I got about 1 minute into the first one. That IS Michael!
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I agree that's no double...
That's a dopple-mother fucking-ganger thank you very much.
Good job Badkolo.
AHAHAHA, Bec, you always make me laugh! It's an ol' faker all right..
You know, I watched the Korea video just for fun a few months ago, and I had a good chuckle at that part where he says "no close-ups" and moves his arms up and down- and keeps on doing it after he's done saying it!
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This is just too Bizarre really, that is MICHAEL getting off the plane. I just don't understand how this idea of a double has you all stuck in the same place looking for OTHER MICHAELS. There is ONLY ONE. You all need to open your minds and broaden your perspectives the "double" is a metaphor only, not a physical person. It is a symbol and was meant to direct you to research the IDEA not look for another person.
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It's Michael 100 % ! It's Michaels hands, and Michael acts this way sometimes. Michael also touches his nose, probaly without even knowing it.
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The power of suggestion...I think this double theory will be the one topic just a few will agree with, then. Because we have been told and shown that there is only one Michael Jackson, that no one can dance or sing like him, that he is the sweet guy who loves children and cares for humanity and the planet, that he has a message, and it should be spread. But who is MJ? There are at least three MJ, some suggest. Whose message are we to spread? Which Michael really cares for the planet and humanity? Which Michael sings and dances?
Drawing the line further:
which MIchael will return?
Roe-eyed or handsome?
Or both?
Or together with the doubles and impersonators a dozen?
Even TS stated that some proofs were necessary to make sure we don't stare at the stage only to wonder if it were the double or the real deal.
I don't believe TS in the other calculations but this one is undoubtedly a real issue.
At this point, we could assume that Mike shot himself in the knee because with the doubts he raised the doubting minds would be asking forever more for proofs if he were the "real one".
It could also be a marketing strategy paralleling the Barnum Giant - everybody would come to the concerts in order to find out whether the one on stage is the "real deal" or not.
The doubts fit into the "make.believe" campaign of Sony.
They fit into "discover the man you never knew".
MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them".
Time to become honest after all.
For not losing credibility in all other messages.
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Michael didn't decieve us. There will only be one MJ... the performer, the lover of children and life, the person who wanted to make the world a better place. That's the Michael we grew to love and still do.
MJ is human first. He never had a normal life. He couldn't be everywhere all the time. So yes, for safety reasons, he did use a body double. Maybe throughout the years, there were a few different ones. But anyone who is that famous would have to. He couldn't go anywhere without being hassled. So if he wanted to go to the supermarket, he used a double to go to another shop and divert the attention.....nothing bad about that.....look at these pictures....
The truth will be found in the hands....no two people have the same fingerprints....unless they have one made as a glove to fool the public. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
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that´s a double :)
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For sure... A DOUBLE!!
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and if..... michael joe jackson is alive...and michael joseph jackson died?
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I am fully confident that there were two MJs. Maybe they are twin brothers ...
But there is also a double, a few actually.
These were two completely different people at 05:07
[youtube:2y3111zu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym0TOnMWhZY[/youtube:2y3111zu]
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we're investigating a hoax but it seems you don't even know what Michael looked like..I'll keep on saying that's Michael and everytime he got into the public eye it was him.
PD: --- I'm not trying to be mean ---
We're not supposed to think alike, different thoughts can be taken in consideration ;)
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just looks his there was no arthristis on his bone http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appe ... wn/010.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appearances/capetown/010.jpg)
and now look this other pic the arthritis is present.....
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/004.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/004.jpg)
two mikes? or develope of an illness?
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just looks his there was no arthristis on his bone http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appe ... wn/010.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appearances/capetown/010.jpg)
and now look this other pic the arthritis is present.....
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/004.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/004.jpg)
two mikes? or develope of an illness?
i mean in the little finger
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we're investigating a hoax but it seems you don't even know what Michael looked like..I'll keep on saying that's Michael and everytime he got into the public eye it was him.
PD: --- I'm not trying to be mean ---
We're not supposed to think alike, different thoughts can be taken in consideration ;)
I do not agree with you. We have compared thousands of photos for the past 7 months, and there is clearly more than one MJ. We have posted numerous comparisons, the faces do not match. Next to that, they differ in height and body shape, and have different ears.
Please check these threads:
The Official Double thread: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415)
The real deal...at least that's what we think: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612)
Mikes mug shot: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8593 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8593)
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just looks his there was no arthristis on his bone http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appe ... wn/010.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/19982000/appearances/capetown/010.jpg)
and now look this other pic the arthritis is present.....
http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearan ... ss/004.jpg (http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/appearances/o2press/004.jpg)
two mikes? or develope of an illness?
if you check carefully his fingernails and the shape of his fingers at the O2 arena you will see there's arthritis
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we're investigating a hoax but it seems you don't even know what Michael looked like..I'll keep on saying that's Michael and everytime he got into the public eye it was him.
PD: --- I'm not trying to be mean ---
We're not supposed to think alike, different thoughts can be taken in consideration ;)
I do not agree with you. We have compared thousands of photos for the past 7 months, and there is clearly more than one MJ. We have posted numerous comparisons, the faces do not match. Next to that, they differ in height and body shape, and have different ears.
Please check these threads:
The Official Double thread: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=6415)
The real deal...at least that's what we think: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8612)
Mikes mug shot: viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8593 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=8593)
I actually checked those threads time ago, and I still think the same
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Michael didn't decieve us. There will only be one MJ... the performer, the lover of children and life, the person who wanted to make the world a better place. That's the Michael we grew to love and still do.
MJ is human first. He never had a normal life. He couldn't be everywhere all the time. So yes, for safety reasons, he did use a body double. Maybe throughout the years, there were a few different ones. But anyone who is that famous would have to. He couldn't go anywhere without being hassled. So if he wanted to go to the supermarket, he used a double to go to another shop and divert the attention.....nothing bad about that.....look at these pictures....
The truth will be found in the hands....no two people have the same fingerprints....unless they have one made as a glove to fool the public. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
about the hands..
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9567/photoverybig105058.th.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/photoverybig105058.jpg/)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/50/michaeljacksonh.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonh.jpg/)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7949/handcompare2.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/handcompare2.jpg/)
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November 2007
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7686/mjackson3ap468x450.th.jpg) (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/mjackson3ap468x450.jpg/)
O2 Arena
(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4403/sinttulolgm.th.png) (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/sinttulolgm.png/)
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Michael didn't decieve us. There will only be one MJ... the performer, the lover of children and life, the person who wanted to make the world a better place. That's the Michael we grew to love and still do.
MJ is human first. He never had a normal life. He couldn't be everywhere all the time. So yes, for safety reasons, he did use a body double. Maybe throughout the years, there were a few different ones. But anyone who is that famous would have to. He couldn't go anywhere without being hassled. So if he wanted to go to the supermarket, he used a double to go to another shop and divert the attention.....nothing bad about that.....look at these pictures....
The truth will be found in the hands....no two people have the same fingerprints....unless they have one made as a glove to fool the public. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
about the hands..
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9567/photoverybig105058.th.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/photoverybig105058.jpg/)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/50/michaeljacksonh.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonh.jpg/)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7949/handcompare2.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/handcompare2.jpg/)
If you check those threads you'll see that we have already discussed the hands as well....
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Is that Michael or his Doppelganger?
[youtube:2braw5v0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtX3qwiWZDo[/youtube:2braw5v0]
[youtube:2braw5v0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkzvxp6tJhI[/youtube:2braw5v0]
The mannerism in the beginning reminds me a lot of the Japan footage, but then...
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Michael didn't decieve us. There will only be one MJ... the performer, the lover of children and life, the person who wanted to make the world a better place. That's the Michael we grew to love and still do.
MJ is human first. He never had a normal life. He couldn't be everywhere all the time. So yes, for safety reasons, he did use a body double. Maybe throughout the years, there were a few different ones. But anyone who is that famous would have to. He couldn't go anywhere without being hassled. So if he wanted to go to the supermarket, he used a double to go to another shop and divert the attention.....nothing bad about that.....look at these pictures....
The truth will be found in the hands....no two people have the same fingerprints....unless they have one made as a glove to fool the public. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
about the hands..
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9567/photoverybig105058.th.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/photoverybig105058.jpg/)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/50/michaeljacksonh.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonh.jpg/)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7949/handcompare2.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/handcompare2.jpg/)
If you check those threads you'll see that we have already discussed the hands as well....
Indeed, that has all been discussed. Please refrain from posting pics from those threads again.
One remark about the fingerprints mentioned by 2good2btrue: So you can detect fingerprints on a photo...?
FYI - in case of identical twins the fingerprints are not the same, but the palm lines show remarkable similarities. ;)
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Michael didn't decieve us. There will only be one MJ... the performer, the lover of children and life, the person who wanted to make the world a better place. That's the Michael we grew to love and still do.
MJ is human first. He never had a normal life. He couldn't be everywhere all the time. So yes, for safety reasons, he did use a body double. Maybe throughout the years, there were a few different ones. But anyone who is that famous would have to. He couldn't go anywhere without being hassled. So if he wanted to go to the supermarket, he used a double to go to another shop and divert the attention.....nothing bad about that.....look at these pictures....
The truth will be found in the hands....no two people have the same fingerprints....unless they have one made as a glove to fool the public. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
about the hands..
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9567/photoverybig105058.th.jpg) (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/photoverybig105058.jpg/)
(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/50/michaeljacksonh.th.jpg) (http://img89.imageshack.us/i/michaeljacksonh.jpg/)
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7949/handcompare2.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/i/handcompare2.jpg/)
If you check those threads you'll see that we have already discussed the hands as well....
fine but since this was brought here then i'll discuss it here aswell. What is going on..keep attacking me, as if I was the one who brought this story about the doubles. Is it because I DO NOT believe Michael used doubles? Well indeed that's what i beleive
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fine but since this was brought here then i'll discuss it here aswell. What is going on..keep attacking me, as if I was the one who brought this story about the doubles. Is it because I DO NOT believe Michael used doubles? Well indeed that's what i beleive
No one is attacking you. You were pointed out to previous threads about the doubles, and to the fact that the pics you posted were already posted in those threads, that's all.
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fine but since this was brought here then i'll discuss it here aswell. What is going on..keep attacking me, as if I was the one who brought this story about the doubles. Is it because I DO NOT believe Michael used doubles? Well indeed that's what i beleive
No one is attacking you. You were pointed out to previous threads about the doubles, and to the fact that the pics you posted were already posted in those threads, that's all.
well the pics I posted here were taken from that thread, just made a research on my own, and it's quite convincing for me..but that's why we are here, to discuss and share our thoughts even if we don't believe the same regarding the doubles
This will be my last post here i don't wanna argue with anyone =)
Apart from the arthritis..I focus on the "V" the lines on his hand form
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/3580/83437109.th.png) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/83437109.png/)
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3826/22523899.th.png) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/22523899.png/)
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1138/50541437.th.png) (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/50541437.png/)
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If you think it's a double, then when it appears in the store, I think that's it, have a hateful attitude is what I perceive. :geek:
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It's michael there
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Uhm...the one in Korea reminds me on...a younger Red Pants. :shock: :lol: :?
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Watch this video but first pay attention to the first few minutes, watch the double that gets off the plane, watch him walk into the airport and pay close attention to him in the airport SHOP, watch his manerisms, watch his head and hand movement, and then watch tii, and guess who we just found, Now this was 10 years ago and hes not just a impersonator, this is his double he sends around the world as himself. The impersonators are never concerned about cameras getting to close but this double sure is, he doesnt like the camera getting to close and for a good reason, cause hes no impersanator, he is michael jacksons double, he moves and talks just like someone in Tii.
http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ (http://www.youtube.com/user/flem18#p/u/4/GdLHYlnpcrQ)
original video from korea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys1BF517ZH4&feature=related)
Sorry, but this video is ridiculous. All Michael. I see no double. It makes me angry when some people see in our Michael a double. :evil:
Also the O2 guy IS Michael. The same with TII. NO double. Except the the one which used for the stunts in smooth criminal.
I'm a fan for about 18 years now. I can distinguish a double from the real Michael.
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
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all MJ :)
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! :lol: :lol: :lol:
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! :lol: :lol: :lol:
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
me either!! I mean, MJ would good reasons to use doubles so I don't understand why people get angry about that
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a lot of celebrities are using or used doubles on showbiz or private life....there's no reason to be surprised...anyway i am open minded and accept any point of view...even though i found a lot of evidences about mj's double theory...god bless you all
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Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.The MJ on the cherrypicker in TII i felt was not a double as he just seemed like mj .I can`t make my mind up on orange pants though.
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Call me crazy but Michael's pinky fingers were way longer before 1990.
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so, if i get this vid right:
mike's double got a big ego over time and threatened to blow the lid off or even threatened mike's life or became terminally ill all of a sudden and they got rid of that one? but it had to look like mike died so nobody would think he even had doubles? i dunno, that would still involve a crime or self-defense (unlikely to believe since death was brought on by injection, whereas self-defense is a more 'spontaneous' act, i believe) or assisted suicide. not good...
i can see the double theory, like sending one to represent where there's no dancing and singing required. i think he sent navi to japan once instead of going himself. he sent him wearing a black surgical mask...and those nails can be done with stage make up that way, too. i'm pretty sure that mike is aware of the 'giveaways' in his looks and mannerisms and had his guys trained well. i have to say i don't agree on all the suggested doubles, but i do on the fact as such.
:mrgreen:
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I am staying with an open mind. I agree, even though we are all here because we believe MJ is alive. How out there can that be to the rest of the world? Then the believers cannot grasp the fact that they don't know if Michael used doubles?
Who really knows?? What's going to happen to our belief if this entire thing did go down the way we've been fed? I mean how ridiculous is that?
I just want the truth, it may hurt or I may giggle the rest of my life.
Right now today I realized how crazy this is making me. I have a lot of turmoil in my life right now, I am trying to get through it, then "MJ time" gets in the mix...eeeow!
I truly feel he is here with us and somehow this will be revealed. I just hope I am not wearing a coat of many buckles by then.
I don't care if he used doubles or not, I never saw him in person, I have nothing to compare and it really won't make me love him any less. I've seen enough video to back up that theory and I don't discount it. TII showed me two different ideas of MJ. Either doubles or multiple personalities?
I do want those responsible from the very beginning of his troubles to be revealed, I want those masks pulled off. Michael's army of LOVE started way back then, that's when they realized it and it made them scared. Is it scary? Hell yes!
Badkolo your photo does scare me 8-) :mrgreen:
Peace, Love and Michael Jackson
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Double or not I don´t care. Maybe he used them and probably did. What would it change for us in past?
I´m interested in future and hope to see real Michael not double.
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if, and i say if, (please don't attack) Michael used a double in TII, which do you think was the real Michael? me, i'd go for the one that did Thriller. he could have been in the other songs, but Thriller Michael is what i remember most to be him. like the whole song was him. which looked different from the one that did Billie Jean, and he didn't moonwalk, either. maybe the difference in hair styles gave my eyes a problem, but really, he looked more handsome and had a softer expression on his face (like the real Mike) when he did Thriller. movements were smooth, and overall, he looked very smart, despite the thinness. of course BJ had shades on, Thriller did not, but ...i don't know. i am just acknowledging that there were different looks. the one that did Thriller looked different from the one that was supervising or watching the computer images of the Dome Project. the one sucking on a lollipop looked like the one wearing the black shirt with an ankh, but he didn't look like anyone in the movie. he could be Michael, for all i know. the one that was doing the choreography on TDCAU, raising his leg, was very smart as well, and very cute, but he looked so young and not as thin on the face? but the dance moves were Michael's, like the way he carried himself. all so confusing...
i think the red pants, some shots were of him, some were not. one of them could not do the sidestep dancing MJ did in the Dangerous and History concerts. like his feet were getting entangled or something that he just had to stop. and he looked younger.
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Ding-ding-ding : next round in the double talk! :P
I have only my own thoughts and no evidence on that last question, but I think that TII has brought the main doubles and dopplegangers who have had a part in the "projection" of Michael Jackson that we have been seeing over the years.
It ties in with the line in TII title...discover the man you never knew..
Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.
It could also be a marketing strategy paralleling the Barnum Giant - everybody would come to the concerts in order to find out whether the one on stage is the "real deal" or not.
The doubts fit into the "make.believe" campaign of Sony.
They fit into "discover the man you never knew".
MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them".
This makes perfectly sense to me and I tend to believe that as well.
A magician also doesn´t reveal his tricks entirely. At the most a little hint maybe to get the audience more puzzled.
It´s a kind of magic..... ;)
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Ding-ding-ding : next round in the double talk! :P
I have only my own thoughts and no evidence on that last question, but I think that TII has brought the main doubles and dopplegangers who have had a part in the "projection" of Michael Jackson that we have been seeing over the years.
It ties in with the line in TII title...discover the man you never knew..
Even joe said there was a double in TII so why would he say that if there was not.
It could also be a marketing strategy paralleling the Barnum Giant - everybody would come to the concerts in order to find out whether the one on stage is the "real deal" or not.
The doubts fit into the "make.believe" campaign of Sony.
They fit into "discover the man you never knew".
MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them".
This makes perfectly sense to me and I tend to believe that as well.
A magician also doesn´t reveal his tricks entirely. At the most a little hint maybe to get the audience more puzzled.
It´s a kind of magic..... ;)
like Criss Angel and David Blaine... :idea: :D
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I am staying with an open mind. I agree, even though we are all here because we believe MJ is alive. How out there can that be to the rest of the world? Then the believers cannot grasp the fact that they don't know if Michael used doubles?
Who really knows?? What's going to happen to our belief if this entire thing did go down the way we've been fed? I mean how ridiculous is that?
I just want the truth, it may hurt or I may giggle the rest of my life.
Right now today I realized how crazy this is making me. I have a lot of turmoil in my life right now, I am trying to get through it, then "MJ time" gets in the mix...eeeow!
I truly feel he is here with us and somehow this will be revealed. I just hope I am not wearing a coat of many buckles by then.
I don't care if he used doubles or not, I never saw him in person, I have nothing to compare and it really won't make me love him any less. I've seen enough video to back up that theory and I don't discount it. TII showed me two different ideas of MJ. Either doubles or multiple personalities?
I do want those responsible from the very beginning of his troubles to be revealed, I want those masks pulled off. Michael's army of LOVE started way back then, that's when they realized it and it made them scared. Is it scary? Hell yes!
Badkolo your photo does scare me 8-) :mrgreen:
Peace, Love and Michael Jacks
coat of many buckles :lol: :lol: :lol: i love it
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I really thik this fans family think different...
I really wonder how some longtime friends can't see it is all Michael.
I can send you 10 of my personal pictures,or 10 of my personal videos, and people would see a double in it also. In each one I look different and different attitude. I know that the double theory helps someone in the hoax theory,but...think well....nobody had doubted before,untill there was the need to doubt about it.That's all...
Again..about the 02 MJ...an expert has already stated the lines in hands are exactly the same as Michael..and those cannot be doubled.
I just wonder...if one day he will come back,how the believers of the doubles will react... will you still trust the man? Or you will see a hoax in whatever he does? Yeah...maybe a double will come back...
Moreover..if MJ was so good in fooling people,and did it also for silly situation, I must suppose you must start doubting about all he said during his interviews,all he said about saving the world,all he has always been.
My choice is: NO. MICHAEL IS JUST ONE. AND AS ALL PEOPLE, WITH MULTIPLE SIDES,ATTITUDES, MOODS, AND LOOKS.
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Heeeyyy man!!! You can fake everything nowadays - even handlines!
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It's too high to get over [yeah yeah]
To low to get under [yeah yeah]
Your stuck in the middle [yeah yeah]
And the pain is thunder [yeah yeah].
This is the song He opened with. Joe had already put that double seed out there. And here we are 11 months down the track and we are still stuck in the middle.
Oh MJ. You are a clever boy. Because of this, you had me running to the cinema at every oportunity to try and fathom all this out.
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
I just had to hit the reply button... suspicious mind, my reply is not directed at you personally, but in general at everyone who has been talking about feeling deceived for the use of doubles.
This hoax is not about the fans, this hoax is about Michael Jackson. Please stop projecting things on yourself, and try to walk a mile in his shoes first...
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I also don't understand the feeling of deception from this point of view: Michael Jackson is an entertainer by trade. It's what he does for a living. In that way, when we say we are MJ fans we are fans of his brand of work. We just sort of assume for some reason that we are fans of the man himself.
I don't really see that any of us DESERVE the real Michael Jackson, we only deserve to receive what we buy, which is the MJ brand.
I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm just trying to be logical and down to earth about it.
He's an entertainer. His job is to entertain us. If he's doing that, what other responsibility does he have to us?
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I like this quote from Grace:
"MJ has even increased the illusionary fog despite the researches and investigations.
To be honest: we will never ever know who was who, who is who and who will be who.
This is the part "I'm gonna play a little with them."
That could be what MJ had in mind. I'm on the fence with twin/double, leaning heavily to all illusion--one Michael. For the doubles side just a thought, what if another meaning behind his victory/peace/upsidedown pyramid sign was I'm a double, there's two of me, you are being fooled! And obviously this here's an impersonator.[attachment=0:9eysbrsd]carlo%20and%20mj%20hands[1].jpg[/attachment:9eysbrsd]
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Lol that impersonator looks more like Celion Dion in a wig than he does MJ.
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Lol that impersonator looks more like Celion Dion in a wig than he does MJ.
:lol: :lol: To me looks like K.Z Jones
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Lol that impersonator looks more like Celion Dion in a wig than he does MJ.
:lol: :lol: To me looks like K.Z Jones
Actually that impersonator looks exactly like my mom. ;_____;'' Not kidding.
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:lol: :lol:
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Where's the double....? :|
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ok, in the first vid somewhere in the first minute there's a still shot of two mj's side by side with the (is it korean?) subtitles underneath. Whats up with that comparison?? The one on the right looks totally Asian to me, thats whats up. Freeze it and weep...
Not sure if i totally buy into the idea of the second vid but hey, it appears that we are in the process of discovering the man we never knew and that piece by piece he's being revealed and on Michaels command , we begin...
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bec, thanks for being there.
We are still in the concert situation - most of us in front of the stage, some behind it.
All there to celebrate one performance.
It would not exist without the spectators, it would not exist without the performer.
Performance is celebrating the moment to it's utmost extent and glory.
When the second is over, it's over, the flash is gone.
MJ has a profession, he is a professional entertainer, this is his role in a performance. The spectators have a role. Without participants off-stage, the moment could NOT be celebrated. It would be rehearsal and work.
Not art, not magic, not spiritual, not making hundreds of girls faint breathlessly.
Those who have performed on stage know about the magic moment, the importance of delivering all you can, all you are, being with the spirits on stage. Afterwards you are exhausted, yet high, filled, happy, gone to heaven and back again. Total eclipse of beauty.
We are still in a performance situation.
We are still staring at the stage of O2, Carolwood, LKL, TMZ, Encino, Forest Lawn etc.
The stage is everywhere now.
The star in black costume in front of a black background is being protected during a concert.
MJ is being protected everywhere now as he's wearing each costume we are throwing on him. We are staring and staring to find him, a glimpse only.
It is hide and seek. It is super-soaker. It is climb the tree and catch me if you can.
It is telephone line whispering, Karaoke, cake fight, I wear a mask - who am I, and merry go round roller coaster. It's flickering lights, fading shadows and thought you there and there or there?
This is the greatest show on earth taking place in thousands of homes simultaneously - and MJ does not have to do very much to entertain us, does he?
We do NOT know the man.
We do know little of the entertainer.
We do know some of the performer.
Most of us even haven't met MJ in a concert - who has ever met him in real life?
We have seen him through third party's camera's eyes having to respond to some really stupid questions of some media interviewer reality show moderator "icons". What a pair of glasses was that? Cyan or magenty filter? Photoshop or sound altered?
We are dreamers and there's not much wrong with that.
How beautiful if we came to an honest point in time and acknowledged the fact that WE are contributing to creating the illusion about the person and that most likely the majority of what we think about the man is wrong.
Mike does actually contribute very little to our partially selfmade illusion - some text, some leaked images, footage, documents, most of them fake or telling tales.
And we are running around in our sweet little padded cell and have more or less only us to laugh about.
What is wrong about the brand MJ - we expected it to be that way.
What is wrong about the person Mike being different from the brand?
Do you wear your white collar also in bed?
My personal conclusion after 11 months is that I did right to laugh more about myself than others, that ANYTHING is possible, that most likely I am wrong as can be, that this potential permanent error of mine does not matter at all and does not harm my pride and that whoever thinks about myself being nuts is struggling in life just as much as I do - one way or the other - and that we thus are all alike, all one, no matter who says what or who does what.
And in that sense I am glad to be a sister to Mike, not knowing him at all - and not knowing myself at all.
It is the greatest adventure to (let) die and thus promote the wealth and richness of life.
Greatest, most brilliant job ever, MJ.
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He perfected fooling people, he has been doing it so well for so long that i dont blame anyone that is confused and cant see that he had doubles.
At least I know that after 11 hard months of looking at photos and videos, re searching, looking at evidence and lurking behind the scenes, And trust me I'm as sane as you can get and I am 100% without any doubt completly certain everyone is in for a RUDE awakening, Michael jackson used doubles as hard as it is to believe, HE DID.
The strange thing is, the more you truly look the more they stand apart, in reality they looking nothing alike, but they do look dam close thanks to surgery.
I am not trying to convinve anyone, the ones who know he used doubles just know, we can clearly see it, but the rest of you who are in doubt, it is certainly understandable why its hard to grasp this concept so I am sure when the SH*T hits the fan and it goes down you will know what I am saying.
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What do you mean by this last sentence? Do you believe there will be doubles used if or when he returns? It sounds as if you are expecting an event that can be catastrophic or world changing. Please elaborate on your theory for the return or the event you see taking place. I am very interested.
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bec, thanks for being there.
We are still in the concert situation - most of us in front of the stage, some behind it.
All there to celebrate one performance.
It would not exist without the spectators, it would not exist without the performer.
Performance is celebrating the moment to it's utmost extent and glory.
When the second is over, it's over, the flash is gone.
MJ has a profession, he is a professional entertainer, this is his role in a performance. The spectators have a role. Without participants off-stage, the moment could NOT be celebrated. It would be rehearsal and work.
Not art, not magic, not spiritual, not making hundreds of girls faint breathlessly.
Those who have performed on stage know about the magic moment, the importance of delivering all you can, all you are, being with the spirits on stage. Afterwards you are exhausted, yet high, filled, happy, gone to heaven and back again. Total eclipse of beauty.
We are still in a performance situation.
We are still staring at the stage of O2, Carolwood, LKL, TMZ, Encino, Forest Lawn etc.
The stage is everywhere now.
The star in black costume in front of a black background is being protected during a concert.
MJ is being protected everywhere now as he's wearing each costume we are throwing on him. We are staring and staring to find him, a glimpse only.
It is hide and seek. It is super-soaker. It is climb the tree and catch me if you can.
It is telephone line whispering, Karaoke, cake fight, I wear a mask - who am I, and merry go round roller coaster. It's flickering lights, fading shadows and thought you there and there or there?
This is the greatest show on earth taking place in thousands of homes simultaneously - and MJ does not have to do very much to entertain us, does he?
We do NOT know the man.
We do know little of the entertainer.
We do know some of the performer.
Most of us even haven't met MJ in a concert - who has ever met him in real life?
We have seen him through third party's camera's eyes having to respond to some really stupid questions of some media interviewer reality show moderator "icons". What a pair of glasses was that? Cyan or magenty filter? Photoshop or sound altered?
We are dreamers and there's not much wrong with that.
How beautiful if we came to an honest point in time and acknowledged the fact that WE are contributing to creating the illusion about the person and that most likely the majority of what we think about the man is wrong.
Mike does actually contribute very little to our partially selfmade illusion - some text, some leaked images, footage, documents, most of them fake or telling tales.
And we are running around in our sweet little padded cell and have more or less only us to laugh about.
What is wrong about the brand MJ - we expected it to be that way.
What is wrong about the person Mike being different from the brand?
Do you wear your white collar also in bed?
My personal conclusion after 11 months is that I did right to laugh more about myself than others, that ANYTHING is possible, that most likely I am wrong as can be, that this potential permanent error of mine does not matter at all and does not harm my pride and that whoever thinks about myself being nuts is struggling in life just as much as I do - one way or the other - and that we thus are all alike, all one, no matter who says what or who does what.
And in that sense I am glad to be a sister to Mike, not knowing him at all - and not knowing myself at all.
It is the greatest adventure to (let) die and thus promote the wealth and richness of life.
Greatest, most brilliant job ever, MJ.
What a fantastic way to summarize all of this Grace. I can add nothing more except that it is good to be able to laugh at oneself. And I do regularly.
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These are all Carlo Riley...
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
Oh come on Bec, Michael would never throw doubles at us, he wouldn't do that! :lol: :lol: :lol:
On a serious note - I still don't understand the anger about the doubles...
I don't understand the anger at all.
ps. great post Grace
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I also heard there were a certain amount of "body doubles" planned for the London shows. It was part of the illusion. MJ would leave the stage to get changed while another was still on stage alluding us, or distracting the audience.
That to me MJ is a real master at his craft. Entertainment...that's what he does....... As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
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This thread cracks me up. People get SO ANGRY about the prospect of a double and vehemently proclaim their no-double opinion to be FACT and then ATTACK the believers. Just saying.... how do you know? And why so angry about it?
I mean we're here investigating a DEATH HOAX. How nuts is that? Once you're there, how is the doubles theory so out there?
"Oh well death hoax, sure *yawn*.... whoa whoa whoa, TWO Michael Jacksons? Well now that's just CRAZY talk."
k then.
no one wants to feel that they have been decieved. it probably makes people concerned about the quality of his character. i know i have only been invested since the time of "death" and i have mixed feelings about how that would affect my view of him. it of course depend on the reasons ect. but not being a long time fan it would not feel so bad as with someone who has followed micheal for a long time.
I just had to hit the reply button... suspicious mind, my reply is not directed at you personally, but in general at everyone who has been talking about feeling deceived for the use of doubles.
This hoax is not about the fans, this hoax is about Michael Jackson. Please stop projecting things on yourself, and try to walk a mile in his shoes first...
really!! cause i thought you all thought it was about exposing the nwo.now can you tell me how i'm supposed to believe a guy who's been practicing deception for how long. i really don't mean to sound pissy so i hope you will forgive me if i do. i just don't know how we can say he's so good and to risk life and limb to do this on one hand and be deceptive on the other.
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I also heard there were a certain amount of "body doubles" planned for the London shows. It was part of the illusion. MJ would leave the stage to get changed while another was still on stage alluding us, or distracting the audience.
That to me MJ is a real master at his craft. Entertainment...that's what he does....... As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
i'm guessing that's a disclaimer so you don't get your but sued off by someone who paid their money to see (the real) micheal jackson and not a double.
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Right. If I pay to see Michael Jackson I don´t want to see a double :evil: too much dadaism to me.
I saw the fake Hanna Montana in a performance :lol: thought it was a monkey