Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: julia142 on November 10, 2011, 03:00:42 PM
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFV6-i-pduA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GroBfzg6BlY&feature=BFa&list=UL8x-XSV4YQ04&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVnsZalS6Es&feature=BFa&list=ULuoLIllvluQE&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n8XbIh_Als&feature=BFa&list=ULTVnsZalS6Es&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq-VncbrmU&feature=BFa&list=UL7n8XbIh_Als&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x-XSV4YQ04&feature=BFa&list=ULxfq-VncbrmU&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Thanks to beLIEve1
All the parts are there
I don't know how to embedded the video here sorry, please someone can do it?
Thanks!
L.O.V.E.
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they showed videos and photos since he was little up to This is it and the estate didn't move a finger. They released a letter and that's all. This is copyright infringement. Why didn't they claim their copyright? as they always do
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Thank you bearhug
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actually they're talking that much about killing Michael that I'm not sure I cam watch it till the end :(
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Unbelievable lolol/!!
Murray says Michael found in him the friend he was looking for all his life /pull hair/!!
Now I know why they say God protect me of my friends, because of my enemies I can protect myself.
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wow! it's amazing this documentary :o
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it looks terribly real :-\
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Thanks beLIEve1 bearhug ::P
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geez, I have just seen this stuff. I think it is not full but all seven parts are just unbelievable /overreacting/
We have these para-documentaries here in local TV, showing some difficult "real-life-changing-events" with amateur actors in it - and this documentary looks exactly the same :lol:
I actually have lots of questions and observations after seeing it, here are just some of them:
1. Ed in t-short, shorts and in bed - all looks so staged - including argument with Flanny
2. Why the defense is working for free?
3. Why did they agree to make this documentary for free?
4. Did the producer of this documentary pay AEG and others for TII footage?
5. MJ peeing in bed? What is this story? Klein talking about bottles now Murray talks about bed?
6. on 15th of July 2009 Murray had a close encounter with the Holly Spirit /overreacting/
and I will rest my case here.....
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Why would a 50 old man pee in bed crash/???
Imagine, the maker of Thriller pee in bed WTF?? WTF?? WTF??!
Was he peeing in bed during tours?
This is beyond any imagination. His mother knew Michael was wetting his bed? What about Lisa Marie /pull hair/?
I would scream but it's 1 o'clock in the night and I don't want to wake up everybody /scream/
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This is beyond any imagination.
oh, you got this one right Gina lolol/
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yeah just think about it.
He's the most successful singer in the world, he has money, fame, he can afford to be exactly what he wants to be, women would defy God's rules just to be with him and now we learn he spent his time crying and wetting his bed /pull hair/? And that he couldn't afford to pay the toilet paper he used? Yet he wanted to pay Murray 150000 $ a month.
Yes, it's unbelievable.
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dont you find it strange this has all been filmed why? its like a movie not a docu his team being filmed the trial its like a behind the scene of the trial very strange filmed right upto a week before conviction aswell and now talks of house arrest hmmmm
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I agree ladylee
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In order to cut the expenses, Ed lives with flannigan and his wife."
Sounds like an awesome reality tv show, Livin' with Flanny!
Sponsored by Miller Lite.
PS. Murphy lmao
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Well... Too much urine mentioned in this case. Really, too much.
It's some sort of amateur CSI or what. Looked VERY staged in places!
My eyes, attorneys in shorts!!
Spirit came to Murray? Aww. Murray is horrible actor and his English is worse
than mine.
Hi lies a lot.
Aha, so when paramedics arrived, alleged victim WAS dead? Finally.
I feel for Dr.White - he looked pretty confused and shocked, like "Can't believe
I'm participating! :?"
Bizarre things apart, they sort of expose AEG and show Michael the Human a little bit.
Alvarez is most interesting character to me, NOI or not, he has some secrets to tell!
But sadly this piece doesn't answer any questions :(
Thriller, eh? :roll:
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again with the foot rubbing WTF?? did he say the kids rarely went into michael's room and they did so as a group? so any reaction from the family on the actual details of this?
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And Michael Jackson, the King of Pop, multi-millionaire, could NOT afford a pedicure or manicure, but a broke Dr Conrad Murray has one done during the trial............
This is hilarious....
A reality show at its finest....
Oh by the way, we must look for a clue to do with MJ's feet, nails and urine.
Maybe the clue is in the autopsy report..........or it is symbolising Jesus Christ as he was crucified on a cross...with nails in his hands and feet...
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And what are the two parts of the body that are not visible to the eye, when the death photo was released????
The hands and feet were covered up....I wonder why.
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If anyone seriously believes this documentary is "real"....... listen to the music....and the narrator sounds like those filmstrips from high school! This is so staged it's not funny! Well, actually, it is hilarious! lolol/
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I watched the Channel 4 Interview followed by the documentary this evening.
Not sure if we got an edited version or for some reason I had a sleep apnea when the part about his childhood was on! /white flag/
I've watched a little of the You Tube vids above but I will watch again tomorrow to see what was different from the UK version (if anything).
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Murray and lawyers are talking about all of this with 'other people " before the verdict? And another thing, there are pictures in those videos that were not seen in the trial, how this is possible" :?:
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I also watched the Channel 4 version in the UK tonight, and then watched the one posted here as I knew from what I've read here, that there were bits missing in what I saw on TV.
There was a 10 minute or so interview before the docu with Murray and someone called Steve Hewlett. Murray evaded the questions about what he thought had happened on 25th June and why he didn't take the stand. He was going to address in Part 2, if in hindsight he'd do anything differently, but dramatically Part 2 never happened because he was found guilty before they filmed it.
Edited out of the UK version of the documentary which followed (which was titled The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson), were the parts about wetting the bed because of deep psychological harm MJ suffered, seeing him cry many times and later Flanaghan's wife talking about MJ as a 50 yr old man sleeping with a baby doll with pics of babies looking at him every night, and Flanaghan saying everything about MJ is sick, it's weird. (Interestingly, Chernoff's answer to that was 'the media made him appear weirder than he IS'.)
I think the rest was the same.
My over-riding feeling watching this is that it's the most complete account of events, in context, within a logical timeline that I've heard so far! If Murray had told this in court it would have answered many questions and might even have altered the verdict. At times I even felt sorry for him!
Interesting that he said MJ 'retreated to his private bedroom' several times during those sleepless hours, which gave Murray 'a break'. I've never heard this mentioned before.
There was a lot made of personal hygiene issues, dirty bathrooms and bedrooms, disagreements between Chernoff and Flanaghan, MJ's financial dependance on AEG, and Murray's spiritual revelation.
Overall I felt it portrayed MJ as a rather pathetic Howard Hughes type figure, Randy Philips and AEG as the bad guys and poor Murray out of his depth and betrayed and tricked by his 'friend' Michael.
Good storyline eh?
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
to
The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacL2HgpSLk&feature=related[/youtube]
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What Murray says that Randy Phillips said starting at 5:05. Could Phillips sue Murray for slander for this?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
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Who is the dude with his face blurred out at 2:03-2:08 and at 2:17-2:31?
Does that mean he did not give permission for his face to be shown in this documentary?
Does that mean that Walgren, Judge Pastor, Ortega, Dr. Cooper, etc. DID give their permission for their face to be shown in this documentary?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVnsZalS6Es&feature=BFa&list=ULuoLIllvluQE&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
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In my opinion, all of it sounded like a bunch of more LIES. MJ "wetting the bed" is most than likely BOGUS ! Murray feeling the "HOLY SPIRIT" when it's known that he's a freemason?? BOGUS!
Why is it that LaToya was trying to stop it from being publicized ?
Murfy...I mean Murray knows that all of this is just one big riff raff .....And I truly believe that this doc was done rather than him spending time in jail. Reason for my saying that is why were they showing clips of the court hearings then them discussing things in another room? Aren't those matters supposed to be confidential??? STAGED! OMG!
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Reminding myself to watch later.
I love my cat.
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Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
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The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
I hear ya Pepper , thought the same.
Love "Ghosts", became my fave thing to watch these days.
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I watched in Australia and was waiting for the others to catch up; I was looking forward to seeing responses and you've all made excellent points. Especially with Kenny being shown and footage from MJ's childhood. I am not sure but I could have sworn I saw a piece of footage of MJ as a child which I had never seen before; almost like it was from the personal collection of the Jackson family. And MJ's voice as a child saying "how you doin'' I have also never heard. If this doco was made by CM's people how on earth could he obtain unreleased footage of MJ (I'm only assuming coz I never saw the footage before). Like someone mentioned, I too thought it was very much staged just like the Jackson Family Dynasty - you could clearly see acting was taking place when the two guys argued, and CM 'cried' (I said out loud, 'where's his tears?') :lol: And if he really wanted to stop the tape rolling, why did he walk away from the camera but stand in front of the mirror, still in FULL view of the camera? Oh and the comparison to Ghosts was a really great point! Under my old account (EyeHeartMJ) I compared Ghosts to the hoax - if you look at the metaphors and symbolism it is very interesting.
I'm sure much more will be noticed but this is all I can remember at the moment.
Catherine23
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I don't know who that guy is Pepper...about your other question, I don't think they have to ask permission because that was taken only from the trial, like with the guy with the blurred face (maybe it was MJ...lol...jk) he obviously didn't give them permission...but yeah Walgren, the Judge etc. didn't have to be asked for permission because the trial was televised and is public, unless it was in different circumstances like outside the courtroom, then they would have to.
@Andrea...lol...I love my cat?
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lol, I wanted to tag this thread to watch later and my cat was sitting on the armrest of my chair, poking his paw at my elbow indicating his desire to sit upon my lap. I felt a rush of love for him and told you guys I love him in case it made someone smile.
:)
Going to watch now!
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lol Andrea, well it made me smile. :)
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In my opinion, all of it sounded like a bunch of more LIES. MJ "wetting the bed" is most than likely BOGUS ! Murray feeling the "HOLY SPIRIT" when it's known that he's a freemason?? BOGUS!
Why is it that LaToya was trying to stop it from being publicized ?
Murfy...I mean Murray knows that all of this is just one big riff raff .....And I truly believe that this doc was done rather than him spending time in jail. Reason for my saying that is why were they showing clips of the court hearings then them discussing things in another room? Aren't those matters supposed to be confidential??? STAGED! OMG!
I haven't watched it. I'm not brave enough yet. :) The bed wetting ! That could be caused by a number of things but I'd like to know how Michael is gonna get up to used the bathroom if he's unconcious every night. I probably shouldn't even say that without watching it first. Did you watch it? Is it as nonsenseical as his police statement?
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Hello!!!! Gametime! I love, love, love, the Ghosts short film :)
Anyways...I have only seen a couple of those videos so far but they seem very staged. I also agree that it seems like we're seeing stuff that hasn't been shown before. How did they get Michael's living area filmed (or is that a recreation?).
Something else that I just can't get over - the bed. First off, that bed seems very cheap for a mansion. Secondly, it doesn't look big enough for a master bedroom in a mansion. I know people who have money and live quite well off and their large bedrooms all have king size beds. Not that this couldn't be MJ's real bed but it's never fit the image of that mansion.
Lastly - has anyone ever figured out the importance of the ghost shirt in Michael's closet (other than the price tag importance)?
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Curls
I also watched the Channel 4 version in the UK tonight, and then watched the one posted here as I knew from what I've read here, that there were bits missing in what I saw on TV. There was a 10 minute or so interview before the docu with Murray and someone called Steve Hewlett. Murray evaded the questions about what he thought had happened on 25th June and why he didn't take the stand. He was going to address in Part 2, if in hindsight he'd do anything differently, but dramatically Part 2 never happened because he was found guilty before they filmed it.
Edited out of the UK version of the documentary which followed (which was titled The Man Who Killed Michael Jackson), were the parts about wetting the bed because of deep psychological harm MJ suffered, seeing him cry many times and later Flanaghan's wife talking about MJ as a 50 yr old man sleeping with a baby doll with pics of babies looking at him every night, and Flanaghan saying everything about MJ is sick, it's weird. (Interestingly, Chernoff's answer to that was 'the media made him appear weirder than he IS'.)
I think the rest was the same.
My over-riding feeling watching this is that it's the most complete account of events, in context, within a logical timeline that I've heard so far! If Murray had told this in court it would have answered many questions and might even have altered the verdict. At times I even felt sorry for him!
Interesting that he said MJ 'retreated to his private bedroom' several times during those sleepless hours, which gave Murray 'a break'. I've never heard this mentioned before.
There was a lot made of personal hygiene issues, dirty bathrooms and bedrooms, disagreements between Chernoff and Flanaghan, MJ's financial dependance on AEG, and Murray's spiritual revelation.
Overall I felt it portrayed MJ as a rather pathetic Howard Hughes type figure, Randy Philips and AEG as the bad guys and poor Murray out of his depth and betrayed and tricked by his 'friend' Michael.
Good storyline eh?
Good observations!
I thought it was interesting, and it made me feel kinda sorry for Murray too (but I think it's acting :lol: ). Howard Hughes did pee into bottles and manipulated the press, and MJ supposedly peed in cups. Randy T. called MJ a kind of Howard Hughes.
I read that MJ was fascinated with HH. Here's a couple of related articles.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t909-michael-jacksonandhoward-hughes (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/t909-michael-jacksonandhoward-hughes)
http://symonsez.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/michael-jackson-and-howard-hughes-two-sides-of-same-coin/ (http://symonsez.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/michael-jackson-and-howard-hughes-two-sides-of-same-coin/)
Flanagan and his wife degrading MJ, and my belief MJ is behind this docu, confirms to me again that 2005 was part of it.
Andrea, yes you made me smile! respect/ And I have my little dog on my lap now, sometimes it is my cat. :lol:
Also about the pee in the bed, remember that armchair by the fireplace that has a stain on the seat. Also if you look at the back of MJ's pants in TCRCAU in the streets, they look wet. afraid/ What a stickler for DEtAiLS MJ is. Remember the possible propofol link where Barbara Walters asks MJ about hearing when Diana died. MJ said that "when he woke up the doctor told him". Was he on propofol then too? Front and Back say MJ has been planning this for 20+ years!
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So after watching that - wow. What an amazing script it really is when acted out by some key players!
Murray especially is quite the versatile actor.
And the scary soundtrack was the icing on the cake.
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I watched all 7 parts and it seems as though it just stops. It seems like there is something missing at the end. Did it really end with Chernoff leaving? That seems like a weird way to end a documentary about Conrad Murray.
Also....how would Flanagan not know the name of his client? He even asks, "What's his name?" He first calls him Murphy, and then asks what's his name. Is he referring to Murphy's Law? (where anything that can go wrong....will go wrong?)
Strange....strange...strange....is all I can say. I have the dvr set to record it tomorrow evening.
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I watched all 7 parts and it seems as though it just stops. It seems like there is something missing at the end. Did it really end with Chernoff leaving? That seems like a weird way to end a documentary about Conrad Murray.
:lol: :lol: Can you imagine if that's how it really ended? Right as Chernoff is in mid-sente
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I forgot to mention another thing I did notice was when Murray was driving in the car it reminded me a lot of the same scene where Bashir drives the car.
Catherine23
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I watched all 7 parts and it seems as though it just stops. It seems like there is something missing at the end. Did it really end with Chernoff leaving? That seems like a weird way to end a documentary about Conrad Murray.
:lol: :lol: Can you imagine if that's how it really ended? Right as Chernoff is in mid-sente
It would be funny. Maybe they have to start being that blatant so more people wake up and and see how bogus this whole thing is!
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@anew, remember an article came out today and said that Chernoff was leaving the case as he has to take care of his practice in Houston...and in the doco he moved out of Flann's house...maybe some link there.
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@anew, remember an article came out today and said that Chernoff was leaving the case as he has to take care of his practice in Houston...and in the doco he moved out of Flann's house...maybe some link there.
Didn't Murray have a clinic in Houston also?
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Yes he did anewfan.
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Yes he did anewfan.
Hmmmmm....another thing to scratch your head about........it's funny we aren't all bald from all the scratchin' of heads!
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I watched all 7 parts and it seems as though it just stops. It seems like there is something missing at the end. Did it really end with Chernoff leaving? That seems like a weird way to end a documentary about Conrad Murray.
Also....how would Flanagan not know the name of his client? He even asks, "What's his name?" He first calls him Murphy, and then asks what's his name. Is he referring to Murphy's Law? (where anything that can go wrong....will go wrong?)
Strange....strange...strange....is all I can say. I have the dvr set to record it tomorrow evening.
It seems the last video has missed the ending part. If you have the chance watch the version you get on your local TV station and you will see the ending :)
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lol..anew
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Dr. Murray cried in court. So that proves he knows MJ is dead, and he started having some regrets for being part of this colossal murder plot.
Speaking of Dr. Murray, Elsa said: "You have won the murder theory TS? Then -like Dr Murray- you have incriminated yourself. The foreknowledge you have shown proves you must be in on the murder plot and this elaborate hoax cover-up."
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.msg360454.html#msg360454
Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20587.msg365475#msg365475
Murray cooperated with the mystery person. And what if I confess that I am Con-rad Murder-y, and I want to turn myself in—would the court accept that, or dismiss it as hearsay?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20587.msg366252#msg366252
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVnsZalS6Es&feature=related[/youtube]
2:20-2:22 Murray: "I AM THE SOURCE"
geek/ smiley_spider
Nice one.
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In my opinion, all of it sounded like a bunch of more LIES. MJ "wetting the bed" is most than likely BOGUS ! Murray feeling the "HOLY SPIRIT" when it's known that he's a freemason?? BOGUS!
Why is it that LaToya was trying to stop it from being publicized ?
Murfy...I mean Murray knows that all of this is just one big riff raff .....And I truly believe that this doc was done rather than him spending time in jail. Reason for my saying that is why were they showing clips of the court hearings then them discussing things in another room? Aren't those matters supposed to be confidential??? STAGED! OMG!
I haven't watched it. I'm not brave enough yet. :) The bed wetting ! That could be caused by a number of things but I'd like to know how Michael is gonna get up to used the bathroom if he's unconcious every night. I probably shouldn't even say that without watching it first. Did you watch it? Is it as nonsenseical as his police statement?
I won't lie...that part(about the wetting the bed) actually had me a bit mad. LoL. But now that you said that about him being unconscious , it makes a lot more sense. :)
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Another thing I noticed was how sloppy and un-kept the room was as well as the br. Now that must have been an absolute set up...I'm hoping anyway. With MJ being a perfectionist, I'm sure he wouldn't keep his room that way. It even says in Jermaine Jackson's book "You are not alone" how MJ was VERY health conscious and sometimes he wouldn't really like to autograph using other ppl's pens due to sanitary reasons and not wanting to get sick. So why would they say that his room had mildew and such? Makes no sense....Just another staged situation and a pull to us beLIEvers to not believe the hype but instead REMEMBER and dig for the truth...or rather "TRUT" like Dr.Murray says it. haha! lolol/
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I haven't watched yet, but what came up in my mind momentarily is why Murray had "recorded" Michael's speech that was demonstrated during the trial, WHY and WHEN this documentary took place?
Will watch later.......
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I haven't watched yet, but what came up in my mind momentarily is why Murray had "recorded" Michael's speech that was demonstrated during the trial, WHY and WHEN this documentary took place?
Will watch later.......
My reaction was the same about the recording - why on earth would his doctor suddenly whip out his phone and decide to record him? For what purpose could that possibly serve?! It's just bizarre. Also didn't CM say in the doco he couldn't call 911 because he didn't have a phone? What about the calls made to his girlfriend!
Catherine23
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Maybe he wanted to have something for the "cold days" - blackmail.
Can someone please tell me, why did the defense lawyers work for free?
People calling Chernoff to tell him that he sucks! lolol/
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
to
The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacL2HgpSLk&feature=related[/youtube]
1st video @ 1.51 giggling in the background and voice saying "did Michael say he forgives you" can anyone else hear that? afraid/
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yes I can hear that and Murray is striving not to laugh.
OH MY GOD I wish I could break something /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/
Michael please stop doing this, if it's you /white flag/
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This is a good torrent - video and audio are really better: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/352274121/Michael+Jackson+and+the+Doctor%3A+A+Fatal+Friendship?tab=summary
Things that made me think:
- Micahael saying to Conrad "I tested you and you're the one."
- A perfectionist like Michael could never live in such messy rooms.
- Michael wetting the bed. I heard that some victims of molestation never stopped wetting their bed, so this could be true.
So many people saying how good he was - on the memorial, on tributes, on movies - just makes me sick. Where the hell were they when he was alive? (I know Mike's a live, but they don't - not all of them). You know what I mean.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
to
The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacL2HgpSLk&feature=related[/youtube]
1st video @ 1.51 giggling in the background and voice saying "did Michael say he forgives you" can anyone else hear that? afraid/
The voice in the background was from the person who made the YouTube video. Unfortunately!
Catherine23
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For those that are wondering what happened at the end (when the posted vid cuts off), we had Murray praying, the verdict being read, jubilant fans, Murray led away in handcuffs, cut to body in helicopter shot, then Murray crying (I think it said November 2009), saying 'its so sad, I tried so hard (footage of body being transfered to coroner's van), I didn't want to lose him, I love him, I don't want to talk any more', and ended with him looking in the mirror.
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OMG! Please listen to Murray's final words at the end of the documentary - listen carefully the whole time - last minute or so. Forget the words, listen to his voice! Just listen! Does his voice reminds you of something?
If you don't have the full version, download it through that torrent I gave you.
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yes I can hear that and Murray is striving not to laugh.
OH MY GOD I wish I could break something /overreacting/ /overreacting/ /overreacting/
Michael please stop doing this, if it's you /white flag/
Gina my sweet one...calm yourself...This is not real...Look at it like one of Michael's "Masterpieces". You must start BELIEVING if you want some peace of mind. What do you truly feel in your heart? Always listen to your heart...You wouldn't be here if you didn't already know the answer to your questions.
If you are tired of the see-saw, back and forth, all you have to do is make a choice! It is up to you to be strong enough to take this leap of Faith, and stick to a decision...You must do this, because Michael can't do it for you. He has given us the tools, but it is up to us to "repair" ourselves, and start living better , more positive lives.
You are very Loved Gina, but you are going to have to make a decision .
bearhug
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For those that are wondering what happened at the end (when the posted vid cuts off), we had Murray praying, the verdict being read, jubilant fans, Murray led away in handcuffs, cut to body in helicopter shot, then Murray crying (I think it said November 2009), saying 'its so sad, I tried so hard (footage of body being transfered to coroner's van), I didn't want to lose him, I love him, I don't want to talk any more', and ended with him looking in the mirror.
I mentioned in another thread - he wanted them to stop filming him 'crying', yet he walked over to the mirror, in full view of the camera? It seemed so deliberate.
Catherine23
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I think it's called acting, Catherine!
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Exactly. Another thing I realised, what about patient confidentiality? He can't just go public about personal information such as wetting the bed! And he may not be a doctor anymore so technically he's not his patient, but he started filming before he realised he'd be found guilty! So since when is it even legal for a doctor to tell anyone, let alone the whole world his personal information? Do you get what I mean?
Catherine23
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I am floored by how many fans can't see that this is a hoax. It just makes me want to yell "Wake the f*ck up, people!!!"....but I know I must remain calm and try to show people the truth. Are people THAT naive??? It's scary. How can you just believe something you hear without even ::thinking:: about it? Like who believes a McDonald's hamburger really looks like the one pictured in the commercial? C'mon, people.....Wake up and THINK.
/pull hair/ /pull hair/ /pull hair/ /pull hair/ /pull hair/
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@Catherine, on top of patient confidentiality, what about the friendship he was so keen to emphasise? Who would go blabbing their mouth off about such personal things concerning a dead friend? Some friend he turned out to be (if it was real, which it's not, in case YouRnotAlone7 isn't sure of my position!!).
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LOL......just had to rant and let it out. I'm okay now. /scream/
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Yes, the first thing I thought was "he didn't say that" about him being his 'only' friend. What about Elizabeth Taylor? Princess Diana? Diana Ross? Berry Gordy? I'm sure there were many others. I then thought "ok maybe he said it to persuade him into giving him drugs" but you're right in saying that if it WAS true that he was such a good friend then he wouldn't try to make money off him, reveal personal stuff and try to turn around and BLAME him for his own death. Either it's a hoax or he's a big fat liar, but with everything else I tend to say hoax.
Catherine23
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Hi folks, please watch this video!!!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJQJSFLOyo
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Hi folks, please watch this video!!!! ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJQJSFLOyo
I opened a thread for this earlier: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=21317.0
Pretty interesting video, IMO.
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Loss of bladder control is very common when there are issues with the spine. I really didn’t appreciate Murray revealing that Michael still wet the bed. If he were a real friend as he boasts, rather than talk about his room & his hygiene & his wetting the bed, etc. He would have seen to it that Michael was seen by a spine doctor, gotten the room cleaned, new bedding and if necessary, some depends. Then MJ wouldn’t have felt so vulnerable to people knowing his medical malady. I really don’t think that revelation was necessary or appropriate. God do we need the Cadeflaw Law!
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
to
The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacL2HgpSLk&feature=related[/youtube]
1st video @ 1.51 giggling in the background and voice saying "did Michael say he forgives you" can anyone else hear that? afraid/
The voice in the background was from the person who made the YouTube video. Unfortunately!
Catherine23
I have thought about it myself whilst I was mucking out my horse this morning, and I tend to agree with you, I think that maybe the video was made by someone with a camcorder and they spoke whilst filming. bangbang bearhug
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLIllvluQE&feature=BFa&list=ULGroBfzg6BlY&lf=mfu_in_order[/youtube]
Compare Flanagan and his comments from :40 to 1:02 in the above video
to
The Mayor and his comments at :47 and at 4:54 in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pacL2HgpSLk&feature=related[/youtube]
1st video @ 1.51 giggling in the background and voice saying "did Michael say he forgives you" can anyone else hear that? afraid/
The voice in the background was from the person who made the YouTube video. Unfortunately!
Catherine23
I have thought about it myself whilst I was mucking out my horse this morning, and I tend to agree with you, I think that maybe the video was made by someone with a camcorder and they spoke whilst filming. bangbang bearhug
Yes - It was 1st aired in Australia on Thursday night 10 November (Australian time) and this series of videos was recorded using a video camera to record the actual TV broadcast from a TV then it was uploaded to YouTube. It is the person who recorded it that you can hear speaking over the top.
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For those that are wondering what happened at the end (when the posted vid cuts off), we had Murray praying, the verdict being read, jubilant fans, Murray led away in handcuffs, cut to body in helicopter shot, then Murray crying (I think it said November 2009), saying 'its so sad, I tried so hard (footage of body being transfered to coroner's van), I didn't want to lose him, I love him, I don't want to talk any more', and ended with him looking in the mirror.
Indeed ...... it ended with the "Man in the Mirror" ;)
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Yes Lorela, very very interesting video...
I don't like Murray talking about Michael as a "poor sick homeless" (wet the bed, no money, no manicure/pedicure, smells bad etc.). There was no need for extra mud. But if Murray is an actor all these statements will be revealed as fiction soon! Just remember: alleged victim, alleged date, alleged truth!
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at some point Murray says Michael told him he was watching him and testing him smiley_spider
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Dr. Murray cried in court. So that proves he knows MJ is dead, and he started having some regrets for being part of this colossal murder plot.
Speaking of Dr. Murray, Elsa said: "You have won the murder theory TS? Then -like Dr Murray- you have incriminated yourself. The foreknowledge you have shown proves you must be in on the murder plot and this elaborate hoax cover-up."
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.msg360454.html#msg360454
Well, perhaps I have incriminated myself like Dr. Murray BECAUSE I AM DR. MURRAY!?!?!
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20587.msg365475#msg365475
Murray cooperated with the mystery person. And what if I confess that I am Con-rad Murder-y, and I want to turn myself in—would the court accept that, or dismiss it as hearsay?
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php?topic=20587.msg366252#msg366252
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVnsZalS6Es&feature=related[/youtube]
2:20-2:22 Murray: "I AM THE SOURCE"
geek/ smiley_spider
Nice one.
So, The Source = Conrad = TS = the Con-rad Murder-y = the Con murder rady = the fake murder advice ('rady' means 'advice' in polish and 'rede' means 'advice' in english). So Conrad is the 'Fake Muder Adviser'!! Indeed a real nice one Bec!
This is a good torrent - video and audio are really better: http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/352274121/Michael+Jackson+and+the+Doctor%3A+A+Fatal+Friendship?tab=summary
Things that made me think:
- Michael saying to Conrad "I tested you and you're the one."- A perfectionist like Michael could never live in such messy rooms.
- Michael wetting the bed. I heard that some victims of molestation never stopped wetting their bed, so this could be true.
So many people saying how good he was - on the memorial, on tributes, on movies - just makes me sick. Where the hell were they when he was alive? (I know Mike's a live, but they don't - not all of them). You know what I mean.
This stood out for me too. Wasn't TS the one who said we were being tested? So if now Michael is telling to Murray that HE was being tested, then does that mean that Michael = TS and Murray? Murray always represented Michael in my opinion.
Or am I rambling again :-[ :lol:
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Yes, I noticed the 'being tested' part too!
Also odd was Murray saying that MJ, when he was unable to sleep, and hysterical, looked like Thriller! I mean, come on, you've got someone your desperately trying to get to sleep and you look at him and say, haha you look just like you did in your Thriller make up!
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If anyone seriously believes this documentary is "real"....... listen to the music....and the narrator sounds like those filmstrips from high school! This is so staged it's not funny! Well, actually, it is hilarious! lolol/
I agree. Someone asked me if this fits into a comedy genre. Not sure, if it's only us few out there laughing. I would really love to see the outtakes. My guess is that this was done Larry David style where the 'actors' write part of the script themselves and are just given guidelines.
What I really love is that the viewer is made to feel like they're on the inside of the most amazing mysterious case of the century, and it's like hearing a script from a Marx Brothers Movie. The voice over, the music, the dolls and the peeing, the reference to thriller......and then, in the midst of it all, Murray talks seriously about what was done to Michael being so deep, it will move the world off its axis!!!!
Amazing.
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Yes, I noticed the 'being tested' part too!
Also odd was Murray saying that MJ, when he was unable to sleep, and hysterical, looked like Thriller! I mean, come on, you've got someone your desperately trying to get to sleep and you look at him and say, haha you look just like you did in your Thriller make up!
how cool!! MJ the sexy zombie errrr!!
Why couldn't he call me to put him to sleep? I would have given him milk :lol: :lol: :lol: more than 25 mg
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Am I really the only one? Didn't any of you find any resemblance in that Michael recording and Murray's final sobbing words?
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:lol: :lol: :lol: WHAT A BS! MJ FOUND IN CM HIS FRIEND. AND I DEFINITELY DID NOT EXPECT AND INTERESTED TO SEE ED CHERNOFF's LASERED LEGS. WHO MAKES DOCUMENTARY OUT OF "CRIMINAL PROCEDURE"??????? WHERE DETAILS AND THOUGTHS BEING DISCUSSED? THEY HAD A TIME TO FILM INSTEAD OF WORKING, WHY CM DID NOT SAY THOSE THINGS IN THE COURT BUT MADE DOCUMENTARY TO HUMILIATE MICHAEL? SO, MEMBERS, YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT CM IS IN HOAX? I STILL BELIEVE HE IS NOT AND 4 Y. IN PRISON WILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR HIM. BUT, THERE ARE TRUE MURDERERS STILL OUT THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. VIA MICHAEL!
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This is the oddest documentary I’ve ever seen at the conclusion of a trial. What is the significance of showing the attorney’s at home discussing the case in leisure wear and eating at the table with Flanny’s wife where she even interjects he 2 cents worth about the doll and the pictures? I don’t get it. Flannigan makes these very rude remarks about Michael’s bathroom and how wierd Michael is. Something about this whole set-up screams staged! Even Murray, in his plush bedroom, staring out at the ocean or wht ever the scenic view is. There is something wrong with this whole thing. What it is, I cannot quite grasp yet. But real? Hmmmm! Why wasn’t any or allof them not charged with contempt of court if this is indeed a real scenario? It appears to be very amateurish, as if Amir or somebody was standing there with a video cam recording it himself. Don’t know what’s going on here. But something about it just ain’t kosher.
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Have you noticed the channel? 9 with the 9 dots .... interesting when 9 represents "completion". suspicious//
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I haven't watched yet, but what came up in my mind momentarily is why Murray had "recorded" Michael's speech that was demonstrated during the trial, WHY and WHEN this documentary took place?
Will watch later.......
i thought that when i was watching the trial why would he tape michael like that for what reason i dont believe much of whats been going on all the laughing in court i thought would that realy happen in such circumbstances sorry for rambling
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This is the fakest thing I've seen in my life. If someone finds the ending, can you please post it? Thanks!
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In order to cut the expenses, Ed lives with flannigan and his wife."
Sounds like an awesome reality tv show, Livin' with Flanny!
Sponsored by Miller Lite.
PS. Murphy lmao
:lol:
Mr Turnoff already said that this is a Reality Tv Show. :lol:
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Well, WE know it's fake and farcical beyond measure, but are bells going off yet in the minds of the general public yet?
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I just watched this and feel the same.... something is not right about it. Murray is a GREAT actor - did anyone else think so? The Holy Spirit part, the part where he is pissed off at Flannigan in the van, the drama at the end, etc. Acting!! Any run of the mill person, facing what he was facing, could not "act" as well as he did. Reality Show at it's best, is right.
Oh... and before I forget! Did anyone catch the closeup of the "Moonwalker" poster on one of the bedroom chairs? Why that one? Interesting, very interesting.
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I just finished watching this here in the states, and thought the editing was rather ironic.
To begin with, I noticed that the editors left out the portion about Michael wetting the bed. Murray said that he had to convince Michael to have the room cleaned because it was dirty and mildewed, but the portion stating anything about urinary incontinence and that Murray felt it was due to physical abuse was not shown.
In addition, the portion of the tape where Murray tells of a conversation between he and Randy Phillips was not shown, either.
So, either certain things were left out or I'm confusing part of his "interview" with what others have reported to be shown in other countries.
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In addition, the portion of the tape where Murray tells of a conversation between he and Randy Phillips was not shown, either.
- that is most interesting to me. :roll:
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I just watched this and feel the same.... something is not right about it. Murray is a GREAT actor - did anyone else think so? The Holy Spirit part, the part where he is pissed off at Flannigan in the van, the drama at the end, etc. Acting!! Any run of the mill person, facing what he was facing, could not "act" as well as he did. Reality Show at it's best, is right.
Oh... and before I forget! Did anyone catch the closeup of the "Moonwalker" poster on one of the bedroom chairs? Why that one? Interesting, very interesting.
Yes...it says it's a Moonwalker coloring book. Also....it almost looks as though the This Is It DVD is on MJ's dresser. It came about 17 minutes into the doc tonight.
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Interesting piece of theatre....
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12894/LaughingMonkey.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Wow....just wow.
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No wonder we saw trash bins everywhere - this docu belongs in one! Dr Murray would have to get permission to use clips from TII. Who the hell would give the man who "killed" Michael Jackson rights to his last piece of work!?! We need a trash bin smiley here. :idea:
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I just finished watching this here in the states, and thought the editing was rather ironic.
To begin with, I noticed that the editors left out the portion about Michael wetting the bed. Murray said that he had to convince Michael to have the room cleaned because it was dirty and mildewed, but the portion stating anything about urinary incontinence and that Murray felt it was due to physical abuse was not shown.
In addition, the portion of the tape where Murray tells of a conversation between he and Randy Phillips was not shown, either.
So, either certain things were left out or I'm confusing part of his "interview" with what others have reported to be shown in other countries.
I also notice that the part of when the reporters talked to LaToya and Jermaine were left out of the version on tv. All of it was quite strange. The thing that gave me chills and which was a dead give a way was when Murray started crying at the end saying that he didn't want to talk anymore ...then he goes to stand in front of the mirror. "Man in the mirror"....change ur ways. lol.
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I just watched this and feel the same.... something is not right about it. Murray is a GREAT actor - did anyone else think so? The Holy Spirit part, the part where he is pissed off at Flannigan in the van, the drama at the end, etc. Acting!! Any run of the mill person, facing what he was facing, could not "act" as well as he did. Reality Show at it's best, is right.
Oh... and before I forget! Did anyone catch the closeup of the "Moonwalker" poster on one of the bedroom chairs? Why that one? Interesting, very interesting.
LMBO!!!! The part where Murray was talking about the Holy Spirit had me literally on the floor laughing! It was so scripted and his actions showed it. I think I will get that specific part via youtube just to watch it again so I could have a good laugh. lol. lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ lolol/ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Did anyone notice the plant looking thing on Flanagans(sp) kitchen table as they were discussing trial matters? As soon as I saw that, it had me thinking of V 4 Vendetta....the shape of it anyway.......
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Flannigan says: "he's got it all mapped out for you and you're missing it".
That's pretty much the bottom line of the situation isn't it. Lol.
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Seemingly mjviva said on twitter Murray gives teh date of return in this documentary.
I've listened but I couldn't hear something like this.
http://twitter.com/#!/mjviva
mjviva mjviva
The documentary has MJ's come back date told by Murray himself. Listen carefully. It's 11.11.11 gift 2 u all from MJ. MJ aka mjviva
16 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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Why didn't this person on Twitter give a time on the video where Murray supposedly says when MJ will return? I hate cryptic junk, and it means watching that trash over and over until we find the alleged (lol) return date.
Also, this docu is a lot like the one I saw on TV the other night. Same style, same narrator (maybe), same overall bs.
[embed=425,349]Why didn't this person give a time where Murray supposedly gives MJ's return. I hate cryptic junk.
Also, this docu is a lot like the one I saw the other night. Same style, same narrator (maybe), say overall bs
[embed=425,349]Why didn't this person give a time where Murray supposedly gives MJ's return. I hate cryptic junk.
Also, this docu is a lot like the one I saw the other night. Same style, same narrator (maybe), say overall bs. Sorry it's a crappy version but it's all I could find on YT.
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/-cE3ZOVeCpM[/embed]
[embed=425,349]http://youtu.be/hzUB_z3vOLk[/embed]
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I just finished watching this here in the states, and thought the editing was rather ironic.
To begin with, I noticed that the editors left out the portion about Michael wetting the bed. Murray said that he had to convince Michael to have the room cleaned because it was dirty and mildewed, but the portion stating anything about urinary incontinence and that Murray felt it was due to physical abuse was not shown.
In addition, the portion of the tape where Murray tells of a conversation between he and Randy Phillips was not shown, either.
So, either certain things were left out or I'm confusing part of his "interview" with what others have reported to be shown in other countries.
It's been completely edited. Very strange, indeed!
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I guess the experiment was successful. ;)
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Ok, another weird thing, there was an important portion left in the uk and autralian version. So this portion was probably intented to be shown only on 11-11-11. At one point, Murray says that Michael told him that he wanted to save the children from the destruction of the planet and that he asked Murray to help him with this plan and that he told him that him and himself could do it together. That was so strange, why would Michael ask a doctor to help him save the children? HOAX plan!!!
Then on 11-11-11, we had this article about TMZ: I didn't kill Michael Jackson. So this title says it all for us on this 11-11-11, cause I always thought it was a significant date to the hoax. Not a return but significant.
And by the way, I wateched the 2 versions last night, the one in uk and the one in usa, and the two were different and in a lot of parts. Also, so strange that again on 11-11-11, they change the USA version, where Murray says that when Michael got up that morning he looked just like the thriller image and when he says that, they show Michael in the thriller video. Why would they have had that portion of Thriller if it was not a clue?
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more and more I watch this documentary, including TMZ posts about this document and their commentary to it, I start to think, what I assumed as one of the theory under the hoax that:
- Murray indeed might be a doctor, but a lousy one
- he does not know about the hoax
- he has then no idea what happened actually
- he has been set up to perform his role unknowingly
I can assume that some of members here will just say: oh, no, MJ would never do this to anyone.
For the sake of analyzing this possibility, I am not taking such assumption as a determining factor for the definite no.
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Here are some screenshots from the documentary that was shown in the US. It is on the MSNBC site. (It may be blocked in other countries.) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342)
Doesn't it look like the This Is It dvd on the dresser? Or is there another DVD with that pose that I'm unaware of?
Also...look at the reflection in the mirror. You can see a guy in there and you can see him moving in the video. The pic is a bit blurry but gives you idea of what it looks like.
(http://[embed=425,349][/embed])
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ahhh it's blocked, I can not see it.
Even those parts I watched on youtube are recorded with a camera, nobody could record it with a dvd recorder ?! I can't see it in good quality anywhere crash/
And it's not aired in my country :'(
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Here is another screenshot of the Moonwalker Coloring Book they zoom into during the show. The big manila envelope behind it says Richard Tor? (or something like that)
[embed=425,349][/embed]
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ahhh it's blocked, I can not see it.
Even those parts I watched on youtube are recorded with a camera, nobody could record it with a dvd recorder ?! I can't see it in good quality anywhere crash/
And it's not aired in my country :'(
I'm sure that's frustrating for you. If I find any more links to the US version, I will post it for you, Gina. Okay?
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Anyone else heard Murray saying this:
"If I simply tell the truth I would be exonerated"
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I don't know if it was posted yet but I found this link for the documentary, the quality is much better and they show the hour of reading the verdict, it is exactly 1:17:
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/dr-conrad-murray-verdict-reading/
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Here are some screenshots from the documentary that was shown in the US. It is on the MSNBC site. (It may be blocked in other countries.) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342)
Doesn't it look like the This Is It dvd on the dresser? Or is there another DVD with that pose that I'm unaware of?
Also...look at the reflection in the mirror. You can see a guy in there and you can see him moving in the video. The pic is a bit blurry but gives you idea of what it looks like.
(http://[embed=425,349][/embed])
It is the cover of the white Ultimate Collection DVD collection- I have it and I just went over to double check.
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Ok, I just finished watching the UK version and yes, the US version has been heavily edited. The parts about mani/pedicure are taken out, as have the parts about bed wetting. Playing devil's advocate I could argue that this was done due to the immense pressure msnbc was under from the public to NOT be disrespectful to Michael. The letter of the Estate could play in. Those two statements are statements that are not public record (everything mentioned in the trial is now public record and therefore not a violation of HIPAA). Those two statements however, violate HIPAA laws. My question to any legal minds here- does it matter where confidentiality is broken? Meaning, if I talk about my patients in the UK, can't I still be held liable if I break a US law? I am not sure, hence my question.
As far as the state of Michael's bedroom and bathroom. THAT in itself is not odd- we have seen pictures of his Neverland bedroom and bathroom in similar states. However- maybe THAT is exactly the point. That in 2005, those pictures of his bedroom and bedroom were also published...
I found the whole "reality-show" aspect of this so weird. I have to say, since the verdict, I have doubted many of my beliefs regarding the hoax. However, if anything, this documentary once again opened my eyes. There was an article about CHernoff and Flanagan not knowing about the documentary. What? The camera crew in Flanagan's dining room was not a dead givaway? What did they think THAT was for?
Also, did it seem to anyone else that some of the trial material seemed different from what we saw during the trial? It seemed to switch from HD to regular quite a bit, also, the angles were off at times.
How about the gag order? They were talking to a camera crew DURING the trial. Does that not voilate the gag order (even if the result was not shown until after)?
So many questions.
The "I am the Source" comment- OMG! Until reading this thread I didn't even think of TS- but MAN! This just blew my mind.
The only date I can see being discussed is 5 July 2009 when the Holy Ghost appeared to Murray (yeah- THAT was bad acting- seriously????)... Personally, I think mjviva is full of it and I don't trust that person at all for many reasons, so I don't know what to make of the date thing.
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Here are some screenshots from the documentary that was shown in the US. It is on the MSNBC site. (It may be blocked in other countries.) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45262342#45262342)
Thank you for the info. I don't have that one.
Doesn't it look like the This Is It dvd on the dresser? Or is there another DVD with that pose that I'm unaware of?
Also...look at the reflection in the mirror. You can see a guy in there and you can see him moving in the video. The pic is a bit blurry but gives you idea of what it looks like.
(http://[embed=425,349][/embed])
It is the cover of the white Ultimate Collection DVD collection- I have it and I just went over to double check.
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Here is another screenshot of the Moonwalker Coloring Book they zoom into during the show. The big manila envelope behind it says Richard Tor? (or something like that)
[embed=425,349][/embed]
Is this screen shot from the Documentary or from an interview?
Do they really have permission to use this huge amount of Michael's image (photos, videos, DVDs)? Do I understand wrong the copyright issue? Why doesn't The Estate sue Murray and the producers for using Michael's image without permission?
- Jackson 5 footage
- "This is it" footage
- Photos of Michael
- The Moonwalker DVD cover (or colouring book, it doesn't matter)
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Here is another screenshot of the Moonwalker Coloring Book they zoom into during the show. The big manila envelope behind it says Richard Tor? (or something like that)
[embed=425,349][/embed]
Is this screen shot from the Documentary or from an interview?
Do they really have permission to use this huge amount of Michael's image (photos, videos, DVDs)? Do I understand wrong the copyright issue? Why doesn't The Estate sue Murray and the producers for using Michael's image without permission?
- Jackson 5 footage
- "This is it" footage
- Photos of Michael
- The Moonwalker DVD cover (or colouring book, it doesn't matter)
Anna....that picture was from the documentary. I took a pic of it from the videos posted on the MSNBC website. I don't get it either. Why would the supposed "killer" of MJ have permission to use to many materials that are obviously copyrighted. None of it makes sense.
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Look in this video at 13:41: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ACO4jBklsQ&feature=related
The reporter ask if Murray knows MJ's family, Ed Chernoff answer is soooooo weird!!!!!!
He says: Murray doesn't know the Jackson family very well and there is specific reason for that and that's for the family to reveal??????????
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This is the fakest thing I've seen in my life. If someone finds the ending, can you please post it? Thanks!
You can see the whole documentary by downloading the torrent - I gave the link earlier. It ends with Murray looking in the mirror.
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I found these screenshots interesting:
Murray said at his statement to the LAPD that Michael was legally blind, that he never went to a ophtamologist and Michael
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathroomglasses.JPG)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathnotes1.JPG)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/appdata/hp/admin/trial/doc/violence_ever.png)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/appdata/hp/admin/trial/doc/greatful_that_Im_a_magnet.png)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/appdata/hp/admin/trial/doc/new_29.png)
garbage?
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/docmibedroomvid4.JPG)
Murray's house:
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/docmurhousevid4.JPG)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/docmurhousevid41.JPG)
Michael's bedroom more boxes...and that room Murray
Another Christmas decoration?
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/docmurhousevid4chri.JPG)
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@Paula....I noticed 2 pairs of glasses on the bed by the doll as well. Maybe that means we are supposed to "Look closely"? [embed=425,349][/embed]
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@Paula....I noticed 2 pairs of glasses on the bed by the doll as well. Maybe that means we are supposed to "Look closely"? [embed=425,349][/embed]
Yes, we want to say Michael that we need not one, two glasses? :lol:
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I found these screenshots interesting:
Murray said at his statement to the LAPD that Michael was legally blind, that he never went to a ophtamologist and Michael
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathroomglasses.JPG)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathnotes1.JPG)
Now he was blind WTF?? WTF?? WTF???!?!?!
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh /pull hair/
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Oh good find with the 2 pairs of glasses on the bed. I guess they are supposed to encourage us to see.
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Bald, blind, wetting his bed, crying every day, sleeping with dolls, having no fucking cent, what else, what else Michael, oh bedridden, not able to walk without the wheelchair, lung disease, lost his voice, not eating, what else Michael, death photo in court, scary audio in court, what else Michael :'(?
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Thanks for the shots!
-The note on the mirror "love no violence ever" made me wonder if MJ had episodes of uncontrolled anger.
-We have seen MJ with glasses, so he went to be eye doctor in order to get them prescribed.
-The pair of glasses on the bed. One is adult size and the other is child size.
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Bald, blind, wetting his bed, crying every day, sleeping with dolls, having no fucking cent, what else, what else Michael, oh bedridden, not able to walk without the wheelchair, lung disease, lost his voice, not eating, what else Michael, death photo in court, scary audio in court, what else Michael :'(?
Agreed Gina. Yeah Michael, we know you are mj_bad/, but STOP it, we already had enough /white flag/
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Thanks for the shots!
-The note on the mirror "love no violence ever" made me wonder if MJ had episodes of uncontrolled anger.
-We have seen MJ with glasses, so he went to be eye doctor in order to get them prescribed.-The pair of glasses on the bed. One is adult size and the other is child size.
there was the one time i remember that it was kind of odd that he made a point of saying they picked the glasses up at the drug store. i don't know if anyone saw that , want to say it was at some fan thing.
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Why would a 50 old man pee in bed crash/???
Imagine, the maker of Thriller pee in bed WTF?? WTF?? WTF??!
Was he peeing in bed during tours?
This is beyond any imagination. His mother knew Michael was wetting his bed? What about Lisa Marie /pull hair/?
I would scream but it's 1 o'clock in the night and I don't want to wake up everybody /scream/
LMAO, Gina!
You made my day with this comment! LOL!
I wonder if MJ also made the other thing in bed too. LOL
BTW congratulations for your trying to open the eyes of the non-believers on the official forum. I saw your comments in the "alleged victim" thread on the official forum. :)
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I haven't had much time here in the past few days, and still haven't (boo hoo!), but just wanted to say I'm pretty sure I spotted a couple of cans of Red Bull in the shots of MJ's room in the UK version. I'll have another look when I get time.
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I haven't had much time here in the past few days, and still haven't (boo hoo!), but just wanted to say I'm pretty sure I spotted a couple of cans of Red Bull in the shots of MJ's room in the UK version. I'll have another look when I get time.
I noticed random beer bottles in the US version. (at least they looked like them) I noticed Flanagan and Chernoff were drinking Miller Lite. Maybe Miller Lite is a sponsor of this? Lol!
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suspicious mind, you beat me to it about MJ Japan tour on buying glasses. And reading glasses from the drugstore are like $5, and only magnify a little for reading--no big deal.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned in light of TS saying he was Murray and other hints. At 8:50:
"I went there to take care of a healthy man who said he was fine, to just keep surveillance in case my kids get sick, or I get the flue, help us to choose better foods, and wash our hands so we don't get infections. But once I got in there I was entrapped."
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/dr-conrad-murray-documentary-part-4/ (http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/dr-conrad-murray-documentary-part-4/)
TS talked a lot about the danger of entrapment when the FBI perform a sting operation. The danger is to set up a suspect almost forcing him to commit a crime to charge him, but avoid entrapment. Is MJ hinting through Murray that there are sting elements to this hoax, waiting for certain ones/groups to take the bait? I'm not really supporting the sting theory much though, just a thought.
Maybe it's just another TS=Murray thing again!
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I noticed random beer bottles in the US version. (at least they looked like them) I noticed Flanagan and Chernoff were drinking Miller Lite. Maybe Miller Lite is a sponsor of this? Lol!
miller lite................. :( thanks lol now i want one lolllllll i only drink this when i go in the USA....I try like no one in quebec to get one but i can't find this beer in here :(
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The glasses Michael wore don´t look like normal drugstore reading glasses. The lens it´s very thick.
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Why would a 50 old man pee in bed crash/???
Imagine, the maker of Thriller pee in bed WTF?? WTF?? WTF??!
Was he peeing in bed during tours?
This is beyond any imagination. His mother knew Michael was wetting his bed? What about Lisa Marie /pull hair/?
I would scream but it's 1 o'clock in the night and I don't want to wake up everybody /scream/
LMAO, Gina!
You made my day with this comment! LOL!
I wonder if MJ also made the other thing in bed too. LOL
BTW congratulations for your trying to open the eyes of the non-believers on the official forum. I saw your comments in the "alleged victim" thread on the official forum. :)
Honestly, I wasn't trying to open their eyes, I just couldn't resist posting an opinion and some doubts, but they accept that crap that it was drafted from before that way and they couldn't change it.
Damn that explanation doesn't satisfy me at all /scream/
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I am completely confused as to why the defense team would allow a group of reporters/cameramen into their home, office meetings, etc when at any given time they could have leaked information as to what the defense strategy was going to be. Also odd to me is why would a camera crew be in the vehicle with Murray while he was on his way to court if this was not all staged from the beginning? But even in light of this, I think the thing that I found most odd was there was no mention of a date as to when the interview with Murray was made except at the end when he was crying and said he didn't want to talk anymore, then it noted that it was 2009. Unless his whole interview was done in 2009, I find it odd that the room in which the interview took place NEVER changed in 2 years time. Maybe I am losing my mind but that just keeps popping into my head.
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Here's my take on this for what it's worth. These reporters seem to be salivating over the amount of money that can be made by auctioning off the bed that Michael Jackson died in?????? Seriously, who but a ghoul could ever sleep in such a bed?
Seems clear to me that Michael's writing this script as an object lesson.
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I found these screenshots interesting:
Murray said at his statement to the LAPD that Michael was legally blind, that he never went to a ophtamologist and Michael
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathroomglasses.JPG)
(http://www.igroops.com/g1/httpfairycom/localimages/Nimue/trial/documentary/bathnotes1.JPG)
I've just been watching the documentary again and pausing on the shots of the various rooms to see what I could see.
I don't know how to do screenshots to post here but I found the Red Bull cans - there are two of them under the mirror with the 'no violence ever' note (you can just see the top of one to the right of the sign), and in the corner in front of the vase on the top pic that paula posted above, is a bottle of FIJI WATER - again it crops up!
There was a very interesting list of song titles, with several of the songs off the Michael album, and other notes near the start of the doc. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but forgive me if I've missed it. Can anyone tell me how to post a pic here or do one for me? It is at 13:06 here:
[embed=425,349]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-man-who-killed-michael-jackson/4od[/embed]
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I finally got the chance to watch it completely, Murray is a fantastic actor! The interview in the beginning cracked me up, the ATTITUDE! :lol:
"You read the Daily Beast? Really?"
I also think Murray told us here that he is NOT a doctor:
"It does look like, for a 150,000 dollars a month, which was the fee I understand, that you essentially did whatever Michael Jackson asked you to: less doctor, more supplier."
Murray: "I am in no way any of what you just mentioned."
So is he actually saying that he is not a doctor or supplier? "...in no way ANY of what you just mentioned."
It was an interesting documentary and I will have to watch it again. But I can't help but thinking that Chernoff looked a little like Harvey Levin. The mannerisms, the trained, short body. Probably just me.
Waiting patiently for Murray - Part 2 lolol/
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There was a very interesting list of song titles, with several of the songs off the Michael album, and other notes near the start of the doc. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but forgive me if I've missed it. Can anyone tell me how to post a pic here or do one for me? It is at 13:06 here:
[embed=425,349]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-man-who-killed-michael-jackson/4od[/embed]
Sorry to quote myself, but the more I look at this the more I see! It even says: D.I.E.
I've been trying all sorts of things to get a pic on here but I can't do it, nothing works - please can someone help?! I realise that the link I gave probably doesn't work outside UK, but I really hope someone can post a pic. It's an amazing shot of MJ handwritten notes - I promise it's worth a look!
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Interesting piece of theatre....
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/12894/LaughingMonkey.gif) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Wow....just wow.
You couldn't have said it best lolol/
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1679/murraydocu4wow.jpg)
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There was a very interesting list of song titles, with several of the songs off the Michael album, and other notes near the start of the doc. I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but forgive me if I've missed it. Can anyone tell me how to post a pic here or do one for me? It is at 13:06 here:
[embed=425,349]http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-man-who-killed-michael-jackson/4od[/embed]
Sorry to quote myself, but the more I look at this the more I see! It even says: D.I.E.
I've been trying all sorts of things to get a pic on here but I can't do it, nothing works - please can someone help?! I realise that the link I gave probably doesn't work outside UK, but I really hope someone can post a pic. It's an amazing shot of MJ handwritten notes - I promise it's worth a look!
Are you talking about this Curls?
(http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/6318/murraydocu1.jpg)
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That's it Sarahli!! Thank you so much. What do you think of it?
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That's it Sarahli!! Thank you so much. What do you think of it?
I don't really know as it's not very clear, I can't read what's written or I'm not sure (I need those glasses on the bed geek/)
The obvious things that stand out is "beautiful girl" "Coco butter" "To late to turn back"
Maybe we can have a better picture...
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Songs, lyrics, music...that's what he did...
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(http://s1-03.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/447478040.jpg)
Too late to turn back! Hold My Hand, Best Of Joy, Hollywood Tonight. So the songs were already completed?!
(http://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/447474822.jpg)
ED HARDY MJ 1 up Jackson Mall and kids line Beddings glove surgical mask boots covered in stones
(http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/159/murrayman.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/80/murrayman.jpg/)
Lots of mirrors in the documentary. Murray is looking in the mirror like he is the Man in the Mirror. Mirror usage in cinema, represents another character of the person which means the person is not what he looks like, he is someone different, he has other personalities. Murray looks like a murderer but he is innocent in real.
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/2391/999k.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/999k.jpg/)
9.99 This looked like 3.99 the price tag on the bloody shirt. And 9 9 9 is so important in the numerology part of the hoax. Making 6 6 6 upside down.
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Thanks for the pictures PureLove. So "D.I.E." was part of the things to do.
Murray said something interesting during the interview that can refer to Michael as well in thinking of the 2005 trial: "My story is one of David and Goliath. I've seen the whole world coming at me. That's Goliath."
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Thanks to you too PureLove! That's clearer.
I can read the following:
On the left:
(the way you) love Me
the loser
Best of Joy
Is she coming Back = FR???
D.I.E.
DARK LADY H2O
Bottom of my heart
Hold My HAND
Remember what I told you
Can't stop lovin you
Silent Spring
You were there
Hollywood Tonight
SHUT up AND DANCE
Rock TONight
ADoRe you
Breath
On the right:
LADy of (Summer??)
BeuTiFul GIRl
(K???)
Don't walk away
MJ (N????)
(Melodie New???)
BARRi Gibb
MJ song
COCO
butter!
Finish
Scared of the Moon
Beautiful Girl
Cheater
TOO late TO TURN BACK NOW
(Vocals???)
GHOST of another/????
+ various arrows and brackets dotted around! (I may not have got all the capitals correct!)
Thanks to this note I've discovered this track that it seems MJ wants to finish:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZC0Y0U-r90&feature=related[/youtube]
I smiled at this lyric: But now there are others that sit in their room, and wait for the sunlight to brighten their gloom, together they gather, their lunacy shared, but knowing just why they're scared, scared of the moon.
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I watched the stuff and i have some notes.
Firstly, CM says that he was the only MJ real friend ever. WTF! I mean - come on!
So if he thought he was his best friend, why the heck he tell all that shit about MJ.
Secondly, he has no rights to break doctor/patient confidence. He's ignorant. That's disgusting!
This stuff with pee and his father...
Narrator behind the screen when CM is driving a car in Las Vegas reminds me of Bashir comments in "Living with MJ".
To be honest with you guys, Murray does look like a killer. He's 100% lunatic. Even the best actors in the world can't play such madness. And he's not the best actor in the world, or we would know it long before 2009.
If he killed MJ, he did it not because he was payed, but because he's psychopath. This reminds me of the dude, who killed John Lennon.
It's like Elvis' death+John Lennon's death (death from drugs being given by psychopath! OMG!
This man is pure evil. He doesn't look, speak or think normal. He's spooky.
Part 3 is extremely nuts. I saw some maniacs on tv (when they gave interview how they killed people). It was way worse than maniac.
He could kill MJ because of his negligence. If he's nuts he couldn't realize that all this drugs actually can kill a man.
If he wanted to kill MJ for fame or after he accidently did it he felt as great as MJ. Look the way he talks about himself and smiles creepy. Could it be that around MJ he felt he want to be famous too. And the only way for him to be as famous as MJ is to kill MJ.
Did you see the moment in the car when he sais - "I'm available!"? He wants to talk and talk about his relationship (probably delusional) with MJ and how he helped him. He's greedy for fame. He's just as popular as MJ. He's the most popular doctor in the world.
If you ask someone to name any doctor they know, they will name Conrad Murray. He's hot topic.
Consider this: MJ worked all his life to become famous. CM just killed MJ and now he's the most famous doctor ever. He fill serve few years in prison maximum, but go to the history forever...
Guys it's all so sad.
I know you like to believe in movie theory, but it looks like lunatic asilum.
I just hope MJ managed to survive at hospital. but I have serious doubts...
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I think Connie didn't look very tall throughout the documentary. I know many people that are around 6'5" and when they are in the car, their heads almost touch the ceiling. In some shots he appeared tall, in other shots he appeared to be avarage height. There is definitely something about our doc.
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C Murray is a great actor no doubt, and he´s playing his part very well in this documentary 2. ;) lolol/
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Looks like Best of Joy, Hold my hand and Hollywood tonight were on Michael's list for This is it WTF?? ???
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Funny that the Michael Jackson facebook just posted this......
Michael Jackson
Photo of the day:
MJ's handwritten lyrics for "Bad!" Can you guess how old he was when he wrote this?
(http://www.michaeljackson.com/sites/mjackson/files/Bad-Handwritten%20Lyrics.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/michaeljackson
suspicious//
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Why in the heck is Gerald Posner in the back seat of the van with Murray when he's talking about pit bull/red bull???????
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I found this article that Gerald Posner did on Chernoff dated February of 2010.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/02/04/the-next-johnnie-cochran.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/02/04/the-next-johnnie-cochran.html)
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Can This Man Save Jacko's Doctor?
Feb 4, 2010 5:53 PM EST
With Conrad Murray now expected to be indicted in the death of Michael Jackson, meet the tattooed former prosecutor from Houston who will seek to keep the doctor out of jail.
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With Conrad Murray now expected to be indicted in the death of Michael Jackson, meet the tattooed former prosecutor from Houston who will seek to keep the doctor out of jail. Plus, Gerald Posner on the L.A. District Attorney’s office battles that helped delay the charges expected against Murray.
Editor's Note: In an earlier version of this article, one sentence was copied from a Texas Lawyer report without attribution. The Daily Beast has attributed the sentence and regrets the error.
Now that Dr. Conrad Murray is expected to be indicted for involuntary manslaughter, it seems likely there will be another Los Angeles-based “trial of the century.” Celebrity defendants in previous media-saturated trials were sometimes represented by celebrity attorneys: F. Lee Bailey, Barry Scheck, Johnnie Cochran. But Murray’s defense lawyer, Ed Chernoff, probably wasn’t even on the Rolodex of any Court TV producer.
Murray and Chernoff had never met before Jackson’s death. The morning after the pop star died last June, and police began questioning Murray at the UCLA Medical Center, Murray called an attorney he knew in Houston. (Murray has medical clinics there and in Las Vegas.) That lawyer called another, who in turn recommended Chernoff.
“He’s so damn smart, and the juries like him and find him trustworthy.”
“When I first heard it, I thought it was a con,” recalls Chernoff, a bodybuilder and former star prosecutor whose three-person Houston firm has carved out a business in DWI’s, sex crimes, domestic disputes and murder. After several phone calls, Chernoff was willing “to make the leap of faith and fly to Los Angeles, but I said that someone has to get money in our account so I don’t go out naked to L.A. on some boondoggle.”
Murray paid for Chernoff’s $1,200 last-minute flight by credit card. “I didn’t even have time for a Google search before heading to the airport,” recalls Chernoff. Sitting in the rear of a packed plane, he did a lot of “you’re kidding me” to two strangers who turned out to be Jackson-obsessed; he got enough details during the four-hour flight to realize how serious the situation was for his new client.
• Gerald Posner: Jackson Prosecutors’ Internal WarChernoff and Murray met the next morning at the Ritz-Carlton in Marina del Rey, a spot they picked to avoid the paparazzi. They created a makeshift office in a private room near the hotel’s restaurant. When the police came to interview Murray that night at the hotel, he laid out a timeline of what happened the night Jackson died, and what medications he had administered to the singer. While Chernoff won’t discuss the details of that meeting, he told The Daily Beast "that what Murray told the police hasn’t changed and what he told them he did isn’t a crime.”
On Dateline NBC and in other TV interviews over the next few days, Chernoff got out four main messages: Murray was cooperating with the police; he did not prescribe Oxycontin or Demerol to Jackson; he had only briefly been Jackson’s doctor; and many other physicians had treated and prescribed medication for Jackson.
Then Chernoff flew to Las Vegas and gave Murray, who had returned to his home there, a secure cell phone to prevent electronic eavesdropping. “I wasn’t going to wake up one day and find that what I told the doc was on the front of some paper,” Chernoff told me.
The 46-year-old Chernoff looks like a fitter and younger Sam Shepard. He’s got a local reputation for being a tough lawyer to beat in court. He also has, according to former colleagues to whom I spoke, a wicked sense of humor and an independent streak. He hides a battery of tattoos under his conservative business suits. One arm sports the word “FATE,” the name of his son from his first marriage. Another son, Chance, was born to his second wife earlier this summer. “I better stop having kids or I’m going to run out of room for tattoos,” he tells me.
Chernoff founded a solo practice in 1991, and soon brought in two partners, Matt Alford and Bill Stradley, themselves former prosecutors. I met Chernoff at the firm’s offices in the Republic Building which was built in 1907 to house federal courts, prosecutors and marshals. The offices are Texas-comfortable: exposed brick walls, oversized leather furniture, and a down-home style. In the waiting room, two large scrapbooks are stuffed, not with newspaper clippings about the firm’s success, but with handwritten thank-you notes and Christmas cards from former clients.
“Welcome to the brave and sometimes contemptible world of criminal defense,” said the opening line of a blog the firm used to host on its Web site. In the last decade, the firm had over a hundred cases involving alleged sexual assaults on children, and had a remarkable 90% acquittal rate. The lawyers also handled thousands of DWI’s and went to jury trial on hundreds of them. “If you want to cut a deal and plead guilty to your DWI,” says Alford, “then we’re not for you.”
Not surprisingly, it’s Chernoff, who lost only one felony case when he was on the other side, who handles the violent crimes, complicated federal indictments and intricate state cases. “I see dead people all the time,” he tells me. A look at Chernoff’s trial calendar shows it packed with attempted murders, assaults, and intoxicated manslaughters. He’s had three murder trials in the last six months.
“He’s so damn smart, and the juries like him and find him trustworthy,” says Johnny Sutton, former U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas, who worked with Chernoff when they were assistant DA’s in the late 1980s. Houston’s Rusty Hardin, who has represented Arthur Andersen LLP and baseball player Roger Clemens, supervised Chernoff at the DA's office and has said he is an “excellent attorney.”
Chernoff grew up in a Hollywood, Florida, household dominated by an alcoholic mother. The most intimate details of his childhood come from a blog that was part of the firm’s Web site—and which was removed shortly after Dr. Murray hired them. It included an intimate posting from Chernoff, in which his own family problems helped him better understand what happened when one of the firm’s clients committed suicide. The remarkably private Chernoff no longer wishes to discuss his family’s early history and never posted them publicly expecting one day he’d be the subject of intense scrutiny because of a high-profile client.
In his office, he has a picture of his mother, who battled alcohol and prescription problems until the last few years of her life. On his sister’s 11th birthday, as party guests began arriving, Chernoff’s mother took an overdose of sleeping pills. As his father frantically tried to keep his mom awake, Chernoff was responsible for telling the guests the party was cancelled. Most didn’t believe him until the paramedics rushed in.
His mom survived, but his father left soon after that suicide attempt and started a new family. Chernoff stayed on for another four tough years, but at 17, he said, “I ran….I never looked back.”
Student loans, combined with four years working at an ice cream shop, got him through college. For law school, he managed with a scholarship from the University of Houston Law Center and a job in a pest-control company’s accounting department. He was 33 before he spoke to his mother again, when she called from Atlanta wanting to make amends. By that time he had already set up his defense practice, after spending four years as an assistant district attorney.
“You get burnt out prosecuting people, it’s too much a numbers game,” he tells me, cutting a cigar as he sits in a brown leather armchair, with an enormous computer screen mounted on the wall behind him. He tells of how, during a three-month leave from the DA’s office, he bought a used Yamaha motorbike (“I couldn’t afford a Harley”) and drove around the country to “clear my head.” It didn’t matter that he had never driven a motorbike before. “I learned how to drive on my first ride to New Orleans.” He made a loop to New York City and then “through the Badlands” to San Francisco and San Diego. “There I met a chick on the beach and stayed a month.”
By the time he got back to Houston, he spent another six months as a prosecutor, but knew it was time for change. “He was a very free spirit,” recalls Sutton. “We were all single then, and we worked hard but played real hard too.” Chernoff and a group of fellow DAs spent their free time skating through the deserted downtown streets and garages of Houston at night, or in games of rough street hockey, or days at the beach in Galveston.
“It was fun, but I wanted to get into human lives and stories, “ Chernoff told me. Defense work allowed him to do just that. Chernoff rattles off a list of names of former clients who now consider him a friend. His sons are the “center of his life,” but when he’s not with them, he says he “works, works out, works, sleeps, contemplates the fate of society, works and then works out some more. I’m pretty useless without some goal to focus on.” As a result he runs the Houston Marathon each year, despite the fact that “running bores me to tears.”
But he’s not thinking of marathons now. The Murray case is his focus. One advantage is that the L.A. prosecutors are likely to underestimate a Houston lawyer they never heard of until a few months ago.
Chernoff says the deck is stacked against him. “For some reason, special rules seem to apply in Los Angeles. It’s a different way of doing things. I’ve never seen a coroner’s office that operates at the prosecutor’s behest, but that’s what is happening here. And I’ve never seen a case in which there’s a pattern of incremental leaks meant to manipulate public opinion so they get a jury that thinks he’s already guilty. A lot of the stuff leaked has nothing to do with the case, but is just meant to paint the doctor in a bad light. I just want a level playing field.”
Chernoff estimates his team will need a minimum of $500,000 just for the expert witnesses needed for an aggressive defense. It seems unlikely the doctor has that type of money. “I don’t even know if we will get paid for our work,” says Chernoff. “And I know there’s tremendous pressure out there to get somebody. They can’t get everybody so they have to get somebody and they’ve settled on my client. Well, they might be in for a surprise. If the doc walks out of that courtroom a free man, it’s a David vs. Goliath story. And that’s precisely what I’m planning on happening.”
Gerald Posner is The Daily Beast's former chief investigative reporter. He's the award-winning author of 10 investigative nonfiction bestsellers, on topics ranging from political assassinations, to Nazi war criminals, to 9/11, to terrorism. His latest book, Miami Babylon: Crime, Wealth and Power—A Dispatch from the Beach, was published in October. He lives in Miami Beach with his wife, the author Trisha Posner.