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Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 04:39:31 AM

Title: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 04:39:31 AM
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Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 09, 2011, 05:02:53 AM
Yes, it makes me think about THEIR agenda. They will do anything to make people believe you should NOT talk about the hoax. To answer some of their questions and i will only speak for myself:

Yes, I am doing the right thing.
No, I am not putting a big burden on his shoulders, God has chosen him for a special mission.
Yes, this hoax talk is very helpful for him.
No, I do not ban people because they believe he is dead or wants to be left alone, I ban people that are unable to behave.
Yes, it will never be the same after he returns.

And yes I DO care. I care a lot. Otherwise I would have stepped INTO my comfort zone and OUT of the hoax.

And I am very sure about the above. They just don't get it.

Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 05:24:34 AM
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Yes, it makes me think about THEIR agenda. They will do anything to make people believe you should NOT talk about the hoax. To answer some of their questions and i will only speak for myself:

Yes, I am doing the right thing.
No, I am not putting a big burden on his shoulders, God has chosen him for a special mission.
Yes, this hoax talk is very helpful for him.
No, I do not ban people because they believe he is dead or wants to be left alone, I ban people that are unable to behave.
Yes, it will never be the same after he returns.

And yes I DO care. I care a lot. Otherwise I would have stepped INTO my comfort zone and OUT of the hoax.

And I am very sure about the above. They just don't get it.


I truly agree w/u. After viewing the vid, I allowed the information to sink in and I realized, if forums could get MJ into trouble for the specific info we tend to discuss on such matters, then his family would be getting him into trouble too for pointing out clues/hints that MJ is still here w/us. So all in all...that vid had me thinking a bit but nonetheless was kind of dumb. haha.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: hagitg on October 09, 2011, 05:36:04 AM
the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: SpokenTruth on October 09, 2011, 07:02:14 AM
Great video!  moonwalk_/
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 09:07:34 AM
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the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.


Wow. That's very interesting. But yeah...I feel sry for the non-believers too. When he first "died" or when it was reported that he was "dead", I cried like a bby ....my whole day was depressing...it was already bad enough that it rained that night...and on top of that I had a huge argument with my boyfriend(whom is now my ex btw...lol lolol/   ) Then I shortly realized...."what am I crying for?!?!?! lol There are SOOOOO many mixed messages and details that didn't add up in regards to the media that was providing information. First they said he was in a "coma" , THEN some said he was just "sick"...the story went on & on with SOOOO many inconsistancies. The situation for me as well as others slowly started to unfold...and now that the trial is going on, it shed so much light on what's REALLY going on. SO MUCH!

So yeah...the un-believers are yet left in the dark...and some ppl even today still say some awful things about MJ. They need to have some respect/ because all of their hate will eventually kill them mentally and physically. If they're that hateful towards one person who probably doesn't even know they exist, they're hateful towards many others ...and that's not cool.

So yes hagitg. I totally agree w/what you're saying. It is very sad
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: Sarahli on October 09, 2011, 09:24:10 AM
Oh my I don't like this video, it's trying to make us feel guilty.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 09, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
So this was obviously written by a believer who wants everybody to just shut up right?  When have we not entertained other believers with different views?  Either this is a believer who was banned or a person who doesn’t know which side he/she belongs on.  Maybe I’ll visit tha site to see what’s up.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: SpokenTruth on October 09, 2011, 10:04:36 AM
We are all humans, we are all one.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: RK on October 09, 2011, 10:06:09 AM
Well that was a bit over dramatic. First up, I'm not dependant on MJ or MJ BAMing for my happiness. I'm happy now and I was happy before the hoax. Independently and autonomously. However, the bigger picture and the collective consciousness of the hoax hive is not mind control. Quite the opposite actually. Read, question, research, verify, then take it on board and apply it.  And have some fun while doing so, which is not a crime by the way. ::P  The purpose of that video was to instill fear and to have a swipe at this hoax site in particular. It wreaked of emotional manipulation, trying to conjure up guilt, confusion, judgment, intolerance and blame served with a nice side of fear. In my books, that is underhanded.  /toldya/
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: blankie on October 09, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
I don't understand why this person did this video.. :( We believer  continue on our way without disturbing... /scream/ People like this disturb,but not by much :) We are believer with the heart as well as evidence   ::)


We are lucky because we have a precious treasure... michael-jackson/ but these people who can understand ??? /pull hair/


Souza once again thanks for everything you do bow/ typing/ . Love you all guys ...Love you immensely Mike !!! bearhug




                                     moonwalk_/

Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 09, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
The weirdest thing is that who ever this is obviously believes Michael s alive.  But thinks that we are placing him in danger by displaying all this investigative information.  This is not a person who thinks he’s dead, but that he secretly hoaxed and is in danger of being outed if we continue to post our findings.  At least that’s what I got from watching it.  Sounds like someone who wants to come across as “knowing" some things.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: Mish1981 on October 09, 2011, 10:27:23 AM
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Well that was a bit over dramatic. First up, I'm not dependant on MJ or MJ BAMing for my happiness. I'm happy now and I was happy before the hoax. Independently and autonomously. However, the bigger picture and the collective consciousness of the hoax hive is not mind control. Quite the opposite actually. Read, question, research, verify, then take it on board and apply it.  And have some fun while doing so, which is not a crime by the way. ::P  The purpose of that video was to instill fear and to have a swipe at this hoax site in particular. It wreaked of emotional manipulation, trying to conjure up guilt, confusion, judgment, intolerance and blame served with a nice side of fear. In my books, that is underhanded.  /toldya/


I completely agree!
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: Andrea on October 09, 2011, 11:00:23 AM
I get where the person who made this video is going with it and it seems to be aimed at this forum although they say forums.  This video is far too assuming.  We (I would think for the most part) are not a bunch of sad Keanus moping about and pinning all our hopes on MJ's return.  The video assumes we do nothing in our own lives to help our fellow humans, animals and planet Earth and I can only speak for myself when I say that is not true.  I think we all care very much.  And we are collecting information from the clues that Michael left for us.  I think if this forum placed Michael in danger, the forum would've been shut down a long time ago, at the request of the Jackson family.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: Dontwalkaway on October 09, 2011, 11:07:51 AM
I think one of the main purposes of the hoax is to "wake people up" and improve awareness.  Awareness about a variety of topics including the media, mind control, illuminati, 2012, history, science, religion, numerology and much more.  I learned a lot during this past year or so.  The person who did the above video says the "hoaxers" are spreading misleading information and causing Michael trouble.  Most of the hoax talk is there to help find and document the truth.  The mainstream media does not do this.  Michael needs his army of love to do this until we "fix" the mainstream media.    We need to come together to "Heal the World".    Let's come together to find the truth.  It wasn't meant to cause division and arguments.  Peace and Love.     bearhug        michael-jackson/         mj_dance/ mj_dance/       moonwalk_/          :-*       :-*       :-*      respect/
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: suspicious mind on October 09, 2011, 11:47:59 AM
dear video maker . next video if you could show exactly how we are hurting michael it would be really helpful . no one here wants to hurt him.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 09, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
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the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.

Remember Michael let us know what he wanted us to know.. No one knew Michael at all.. What I have learned about Michael these last 2 yrs it is flabbergasting.  So these supposedly fans, are not true fans, nor have compasion. Just feel what Michael went through in his life, like I have said all the time, if I were him I would have faked my death long time ago, and knowing myself I would never come back. (this is me now).. If they only can walk a mile on Michael's shoes, they wouldn't talk that way.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 09, 2011, 12:16:02 PM
I think we ought to be through with this thread. Why give so much attention to it which is exactly what was intended.  We know what we’re doing here so whom ever they speak of is none of our concern.  Moving on to the next subject :roll:
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: msgitm on October 09, 2011, 12:48:14 PM
This person is implying MJ is in danger. Which I admit was my first thought. But did he/she ever stop to think that if MJ were in danger and had to fake his death, it would be of an illness or something where no autopsy was needed. An open and shut case without someone being charged with manslaughter and long homicide trial airing on TV.  It’s been 2+ years and this story keeps growing, he/she needs to think about that!

Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
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So this was obviously written by a believer who wants everybody to just shut up right?  When have we not entertained other believers with different views?  Either this is a believer who was banned or a person who doesn’t know which side he/she belongs on.  Maybe I’ll visit tha site to see what’s up.


That's what I thought @ first......But it did scare me a little.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 01:16:17 PM
My fault for tha that last post.....I thought the quoted was referring towards what I wrote or posted....not the creator of the video in general....my bad. :) Sowwy.... ::P :-*
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 09, 2011, 01:17:16 PM
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So this was obviously written by a believer who wants everybody to just shut up right?  When have we not entertained other believers with different views?  Either this is a believer who was banned or a person who doesn’t know which side he/she belongs on.  Maybe I’ll visit tha site to see what’s up.


Um ....no. First of all, I know where I stand in regards to believing so that's really no ones place to say unless you fully understand my reason for posting it.

Secondly, I posted it because at SOME POINT, it makes you think a bit hence the title of the post.

Thirdly, keep an open mind in regards to the situation in itself.

Fourthly, as I've said BEFORE.....IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE FOR PPL SAYING THAT FORUMS ARE THE ONES GETTING MICHAEL INTO TROUBLE BECAUSE IF THAT WERE THE CASE THEN HIS FAMILY WOULD BE GETTING HIM INTO TROUBLE AS WELL RIGHT?!

So before you judge as to whether another is either "in or out" , read thoroughly and see the different point of views before you draw up your own perspective of another who is also willing to support and stand by #TeamBelievers. Thank you

hesouttamylife refered to the one that made the video. maybe it would be helpful to read before you say something...
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
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So this was obviously written by a believer who wants everybody to just shut up right?  When have we not entertained other believers with different views?  Either this is a believer who was banned or a person who doesn’t know which side he/she belongs on.  Maybe I’ll visit tha site to see what’s up.


Um ....no. First of all, I know where I stand in regards to believing so that's really no ones place to say unless you fully understand my reason for posting it.

Secondly, I posted it because at SOME POINT, it makes you think a bit hence the title of the post.

Thirdly, keep an open mind in regards to the situation in itself.

Fourthly, as I've said BEFORE.....IT WOULD MAKE NO SENSE FOR PPL SAYING THAT FORUMS ARE THE ONES GETTING MICHAEL INTO TROUBLE BECAUSE IF THAT WERE THE CASE THEN HIS FAMILY WOULD BE GETTING HIM INTO TROUBLE AS WELL RIGHT?!

So before you judge as to whether another is either "in or out" , read thoroughly and see the different point of views before you draw up your own perspective of another who is also willing to support and stand by #TeamBelievers. Thank you

hesouttamylife refered to the one that made the video. maybe it would be helpful to read before you say something...


I did but I didn't know who hesouttamylife was referring to so that's why I had that somewhat of an outburst /scream/....so now I know.  geek/
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: hesouttamylife on October 09, 2011, 01:25:14 PM
Thanks Souza. 
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 01:26:27 PM
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the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.

Remember Michael let us know what he wanted us to know.. No one knew Michael at all.. What I have learned about Michael these last 2 yrs it is flabbergasting.  So these supposedly fans, are not true fans, nor have compasion. Just feel what Michael went through in his life, like I have said all the time, if I were him I would have faked my death long time ago, and knowing myself I would never come back. (this is me now).. If they only can walk a mile on Michael's shoes, they wouldn't talk that way.


I really like your posts  ;) They make A LOT of sense. Much  respect/ to you. <3
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
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I think one of the main purposes of the hoax is to "wake people up" and improve awareness.  Awareness about a variety of topics including the media, mind control, illuminati, 2012, history, science, religion, numerology and much more.  I learned a lot during this past year or so.  The person who did the above video says the "hoaxers" are spreading misleading information and causing Michael trouble.  Most of the hoax talk is there to help find and document the truth.  The mainstream media does not do this.  Michael needs his army of love to do this until we "fix" the mainstream media.    We need to come together to "Heal the World".    Let's come together to find the truth.  It wasn't meant to cause division and arguments.  Peace and Love.     bearhug        michael-jackson/         mj_dance/ mj_dance/       moonwalk_/          :-*       :-*       :-*      respect/


Amen to that! /bravo/ party/
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Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 09, 2011, 03:33:29 PM
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the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.

Remember Michael let us know what he wanted us to know.. No one knew Michael at all.. What I have learned about Michael these last 2 yrs it is flabbergasting.  So these supposedly fans, are not true fans, nor have compasion. Just feel what Michael went through in his life, like I have said all the time, if I were him I would have faked my death long time ago, and knowing myself I would never come back. (this is me now).. If they only can walk a mile on Michael's shoes, they wouldn't talk that way.


I really like your posts  ;) They make A LOT of sense. Much  respect/ to you. <3
Thank you so much alfarle , this makes me feel good..blessings to you..
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Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 03:37:47 PM
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the sad thing is, that the person who made this video is missing so many important facts, like all the clues that michael left for us.
some MJ fans consider themselves to be better then others, thinking that they know michael and knows what he would have wanted.
they're overlooking so many factors in this story.
it's just sad. 

a few days ago I had a long conversation with someone who used to be one friends with michael (I needed to interview him for a story I'm working on for the magazine I work for). I was going to post about it. we were talking about the trial (he agreed that a lot of it seems odd). when I told him about the hoax, he didn't sound surprised. the only thing he had to say was: "well, nothing was ever a coincidence with michael, and he always considered his fans to be super smart".

I think that says it all.

I feel sorry for the non believers.

Remember Michael let us know what he wanted us to know.. No one knew Michael at all.. What I have learned about Michael these last 2 yrs it is flabbergasting.  So these supposedly fans, are not true fans, nor have compasion. Just feel what Michael went through in his life, like I have said all the time, if I were him I would have faked my death long time ago, and knowing myself I would never come back. (this is me now).. If they only can walk a mile on Michael's shoes, they wouldn't talk that way.


I really like your posts  ;) They make A LOT of sense. Much  respect/ to you. <3
Thank you so much alfarle , this makes me feel good..blessings to you..


No problem @ all. :) Much blessings to you as well @all4loveandbelieve :-*
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: ~Souza~ on October 09, 2011, 04:59:27 PM
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Great video!  moonwalk_/

Yeah, yours huh? Why are you even here? Go play on your own playground and let us be. You are not helping Michael and I don't want you here.
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Post by: all4loveandbelieve on October 09, 2011, 06:14:29 PM
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Great video!  moonwalk_/

How can you say this is a good video? This is telling us that we are doing wrong. We are not.. Michael is leaving all these clues for us to see.. Have you read TS posts? I think you should start.. You will have lots of reading to do but you will get the  answer.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: mrbigshot on October 09, 2011, 06:33:26 PM
Reasons why people do not believe in the hoax: (merely speculation, although I don't contest that this could be pretty accurate)


- Men: Most men simply aren't interested in the hoax; either because they have a preconceived idea of who Michael is and consider him a "creepy" wash out or do not simply do not appreciate him on a meaningful due to allegations of molestation. They also believe he is extremely feminine and a push over who isn't very intelligent. (because men like to reason with justice and conviction ironically, and need straight shooting facts. they aren't considerate enough and have as much emotional sentiment towards a particular person of the same sex. This is possibly attributed to sex roles in which society dictates how men should behave. Women show more interest in MJ because they believe they are extremely sympathetic and have a sense of compassion.) 


- the AMERICAN public has a very narrow minded and ignorant perspective on the hoax. They fail to realize the possibilities or even consider that MJ was threatened in so many aspects of his life so much so  that it would prove to be detrimental to his lifestyle. Michael was widely despised in the united states because many still believe he was a child molester. He was ridiculed and subjected to a ruthless demeaning assault of his integrity. He was branded a threat to society and was reduced to obscurity which destroyed his image as a result of the trials. He needed to stand up against the injustices that plagued his identity. He was brutally assaulted by a corrupted police force who took pride in hurting him just because he was a celebrity. Part of the reason why this hoax was executed was because Michael was extremely sick and tired of the prejudice and betrayals of the government on the american people. the people are being manipulated and lied to constantly. People are dying because of money and greed, yet we blindly look the other way when presented with money. Michael wants to restore the dying tranquility and serenity this world so desperately needs to stabilize itself again. He wants to show everyone that we have to work for the people and not the money. The economy is suffering because corporations and industries  are being aided with cash and they are capitalizing on our misfortune. Why? because it all goes back to money and power of greed. So, I solely have no doubt that Michael is doing this to restoring humanity to it's true qualities. Thats why he created the song heal the world.




- People believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a celebrity to fake their death: If anything, this should put a celebrity at an advantage, especially with someone of michael's stature and prestige. Even if one were to believe that michael was in debt and broke, that would provide greater plausibility to substantiate claims of Michael being alive. Because he lost that money UNFAIRLY and as a result of INJUSTICE. Which means michael shouldn't have ever been put in that position. Sure he was an extravagant spender. but the point is: He deserved to live extravagant. hard-work, determination and diligence contributed to all the awards and recording breaking feats he accomplished. He was the ultimate perfectionist who believed in pushing himself to the brink of elite practicality. I know i would be extremely pissed if I was put in debt UNFAIRLY as a result of UNLAWFUL accusations of child molestation. all the 40+ years of hard work had been tainted by the evils of greed and corruption. He wasn't supposed to lose the money. It isn't so much about money as it is being REWARDED for what HE ACCOMPLISHED. It wasn't just money that he lost, though. and that's the most important point.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: PureLove on October 09, 2011, 06:46:47 PM
After watching this video, all I wanna do is  :roll: and move on.
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Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 08:10:14 PM
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Reasons why people do not believe in the hoax: (merely speculation, although I don't contest that this could be pretty accurate)


- Men: Most men simply aren't interested in the hoax; either because they have a preconceived idea of who Michael is and consider him a "creepy" wash out or do not simply do not appreciate him on a meaningful due to allegations of molestation. They also believe he is extremely feminine and a push over who isn't very intelligent. (because men like to reason with justice and conviction ironically, and need straight shooting facts. they aren't considerate enough and have as much emotional sentiment towards a particular person of the same sex. This is possibly attributed to sex roles in which society dictates how men should behave. Women show more interest in MJ because they believe they are extremely sympathetic and have a sense of compassion.) 


- the AMERICAN public has a very narrow minded and ignorant perspective on the hoax. They fail to realize the possibilities or even consider that MJ was threatened in so many aspects of his life so much so  that it would prove to be detrimental to his lifestyle. Michael was widely despised in the united states because many still believe he was a child molester. He was ridiculed and subjected to a ruthless demeaning assault of his integrity. He was branded a threat to society and was reduced to obscurity which destroyed his image as a result of the trials. He needed to stand up against the injustices that plagued his identity. He was brutally assaulted by a corrupted police force who took pride in hurting him just because he was a celebrity. Part of the reason why this hoax was executed was because Michael was extremely sick and tired of the prejudice and betrayals of the government on the american people. the people are being manipulated and lied to constantly. People are dying because of money and greed, yet we blindly look the other way when presented with money. Michael wants to restore the dying tranquility and serenity this world so desperately needs to stabilize itself again. He wants to show everyone that we have to work for the people and not the money. The economy is suffering because corporations and industries  are being aided with cash and they are capitalizing on our misfortune. Why? because it all goes back to money and power of greed. So, I solely have no doubt that Michael is doing this to restoring humanity to it's true qualities. Thats why he created the song heal the world.




- People believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a celebrity to fake their death: If anything, this should put a celebrity at an advantage, especially with someone of michael's stature and prestige. Even if one were to believe that michael was in debt and broke, that would provide greater plausibility to substantiate claims of Michael being alive. Because he lost that money UNFAIRLY and as a result of INJUSTICE. Which means michael shouldn't have ever been put in that position. Sure he was an extravagant spender. but the point is: He deserved to live extravagant. hard-work, determination and diligence contributed to all the awards and recording breaking feats he accomplished. He was the ultimate perfectionist who believed in pushing himself to the brink of elite practicality. I know i would be extremely pissed if I was put in debt UNFAIRLY as a result of UNLAWFUL accusations of child molestation. all the 40+ years of hard work had been tainted by the evils of greed and corruption. He wasn't supposed to lose the money. It isn't so much about money as it is being REWARDED for what HE ACCOMPLISHED. It wasn't just money that he lost, though. and that's the most important point.



OMG! I couldn't have explained this better myself!!!! You're absolutely right! OMG! It is VERY SHAMEFUL and sad to see ppl who YET AND STILL look @ MJ as a pedo which is SOOOOOOOOOO FAR FROM THE TRUTH. The look on his face when he came out of court when he was found not guilty broke me and my family's hearts. He was so broken hearted even though he was found not guilty because a part of his soul and spirituality was taken from him and stomped on. Nonetheless, I'm glad we believers are here to see he and his family gain justice AND learn that the system will kill us all if we allow it to! We have to overcome the lies and misinterpretations that ppl would love his fans and family to believe about him. MJ was a GOD LIKE spiritual man....and ppl need to wake up, stop being selfish and greedy, and see that he's NOT doing this for just himself and his own safety, but for the world...to "heal the world" PREACH ON! I loved your post!
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 09, 2011, 09:55:42 PM
Hi - I agree that we're probably spending too much time on this but I feel compelled to say something so please humor me :)

Souza has said on more than one occasion that if the Estate or the Jackson family (or Michael himself) would come to her and prove who they are and tell her to shut down the site for safety reasons she would do so. As of today nobody has obviously done that. In fact, one time was when Jermaine was spouting off and he had his chance but never did come forward.

Spoken Truth - you don't speak truth and you are beginning to sound like a broken record. In fact, it could possibly be you that posted that video.

As far as the owner of the video being a believer - it's not necessarily true. It could be someone's lame attempt at reverse psychology.

Alfarie - one suggestion if I might...please give more descriptive titles. I'm not sure how you'd word this but if we go in search of this video later how will we know what to search for?

I didn't bother watching the video but I have to say that person obviously doesn't know that many of us weren't diehard fans of Michael Jackson's before June 25, 2009 so the idea that we are clinging to false hope is absurd.

Hagitg - thank you for sharing your conversation with MJ's friend with us. It does sound like he's fully aware that Michael is alive. If Michael were d**d that friend would have told you so, I'm sure.

L.O.V.E. and blessings to all :)
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 09, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
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Alfarie - one suggestion if I might...please give more descriptive titles. I'm not sure how you'd word this but if we go in search of this video later how will we know what to search for?

You're right...I wouldn't have known how to word it lol unless I titled it "bs"  :|(excuse the usage) lol. But yeah...I will try that nxt time. typing/ :D
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: voiceforthesilent on October 09, 2011, 10:33:35 PM
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Reasons why people do not believe in the hoax: (merely speculation, although I don't contest that this could be pretty accurate)


- Men: Most men simply aren't interested in the hoax; either because they have a preconceived idea of who Michael is and consider him a "creepy" wash out or do not simply do not appreciate him on a meaningful due to allegations of molestation. They also believe he is extremely feminine and a push over who isn't very intelligent. (because men like to reason with justice and conviction ironically, and need straight shooting facts. they aren't considerate enough and have as much emotional sentiment towards a particular person of the same sex. This is possibly attributed to sex roles in which society dictates how men should behave. Women show more interest in MJ because they believe they are extremely sympathetic and have a sense of compassion.) 


- the AMERICAN public has a very narrow minded and ignorant perspective on the hoax. They fail to realize the possibilities or even consider that MJ was threatened in so many aspects of his life so much so  that it would prove to be detrimental to his lifestyle. Michael was widely despised in the united states because many still believe he was a child molester. He was ridiculed and subjected to a ruthless demeaning assault of his integrity. He was branded a threat to society and was reduced to obscurity which destroyed his image as a result of the trials. He needed to stand up against the injustices that plagued his identity. He was brutally assaulted by a corrupted police force who took pride in hurting him just because he was a celebrity. Part of the reason why this hoax was executed was because Michael was extremely sick and tired of the prejudice and betrayals of the government on the american people. the people are being manipulated and lied to constantly. People are dying because of money and greed, yet we blindly look the other way when presented with money. Michael wants to restore the dying tranquility and serenity this world so desperately needs to stabilize itself again. He wants to show everyone that we have to work for the people and not the money. The economy is suffering because corporations and industries  are being aided with cash and they are capitalizing on our misfortune. Why? because it all goes back to money and power of greed. So, I solely have no doubt that Michael is doing this to restoring humanity to it's true qualities. Thats why he created the song heal the world.




- People believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a celebrity to fake their death: If anything, this should put a celebrity at an advantage, especially with someone of michael's stature and prestige. Even if one were to believe that michael was in debt and broke, that would provide greater plausibility to substantiate claims of Michael being alive. Because he lost that money UNFAIRLY and as a result of INJUSTICE. Which means michael shouldn't have ever been put in that position. Sure he was an extravagant spender. but the point is: He deserved to live extravagant. hard-work, determination and diligence contributed to all the awards and recording breaking feats he accomplished. He was the ultimate perfectionist who believed in pushing himself to the brink of elite practicality. I know i would be extremely pissed if I was put in debt UNFAIRLY as a result of UNLAWFUL accusations of child molestation. all the 40+ years of hard work had been tainted by the evils of greed and corruption. He wasn't supposed to lose the money. It isn't so much about money as it is being REWARDED for what HE ACCOMPLISHED. It wasn't just money that he lost, though. and that's the most important point.

Mr Bigshot - I loved what you wrote. THANK YOU!!!!

This is not a comeback - it's a TAKEOVER! And I will be here until the end cheering Michael on.

Blessings :)
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: becca26 on October 10, 2011, 01:39:11 AM
Some of the pictures used in this video I remember a member on this site that used them as their profile pics, It's def someone whom has followed the forum/hoax with the pic of people in the V masks ect. Just what I see and feel, a bitter person.  smiley_spider
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 10, 2011, 03:34:22 AM
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Some of the pictures used in this video I remember a member on this site that used them as their profile pics, It's def someone whom has followed the forum/hoax with the pic of people in the V masks ect. Just what I see and feel, a bitter person.  smiley_spider


YUP! And prior to clicking on this updated post, I was JUST on youtube browsing for some more vids (filtered to yesterday's and today's date), and the SAME person is posting subliminal vids saying things like "RESPECT MJ" and "there's a difference between being obsessed with MJ and actually loving him....respect MJ enough to let him go..." da da da da da.... WTF?? Whomever that is tries to sound a bit like a know it all like he/she really believes that MJ is dead. Excuse my usage but yeah...they're a bitter dumbass. #nuffsaid. Makes me a bit angry..... /scream/
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: son on October 10, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
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- Men: Most men simply aren't interested in the hoax; either because they have a preconceived idea of who Michael is and consider him a "creepy" wash out or do not simply do not appreciate him on a meaningful due to allegations of molestation. They also believe he is extremely feminine and a push over who isn't very intelligent. (because men like to reason with justice and conviction ironically, and need straight shooting facts. they aren't considerate enough and have as much emotional sentiment towards a particular person of the same sex. This is possibly attributed to sex roles in which society dictates how men should behave. Women show more interest in MJ because they believe they are extremely sympathetic and have a sense of compassion.)


Actually, most people who disbelieve the hoax (Male and Female, but mostly female) do so because of emotional reasons. "Did you see the children cry?" "Michael wouldn't hurt his (kids/family/friends/fans) like that!" I'd say Men are generally apathetic, like my Dad, but he sees the hoax as being logically possible. On the opposite side of the spectrum my adoptive aunt who wasn't a big MJ fan and even suggested the possibility of him being a pedophile in 2006 said "No father would abandon his children." As if that was enough evidence against the hoax.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 10, 2011, 12:20:47 PM
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- Men: Most men simply aren't interested in the hoax; either because they have a preconceived idea of who Michael is and consider him a "creepy" wash out or do not simply do not appreciate him on a meaningful due to allegations of molestation. They also believe he is extremely feminine and a push over who isn't very intelligent. (because men like to reason with justice and conviction ironically, and need straight shooting facts. they aren't considerate enough and have as much emotional sentiment towards a particular person of the same sex. This is possibly attributed to sex roles in which society dictates how men should behave. Women show more interest in MJ because they believe they are extremely sympathetic and have a sense of compassion.)


Actually, most people who disbelieve the hoax (Male and Female, but mostly female) do so because of emotional reasons. "Did you see the children cry?" "Michael wouldn't hurt his (kids/family/friends/fans) like that!" I'd say Men are generally apathetic, like my Dad, but he sees the hoax as being logically possible. On the opposite side of the spectrum my adoptive aunt who wasn't a big MJ fan and even suggested the possibility of him being a pedophile in 2006 said "No father would abandon his children." As if that was enough evidence against the hoax.

At least you get to share it w/your dad...lol. I'm scared to because I'm afraid he will call me crazy.... :lol: geek/ errrr haha! I did however make a beLIEver out of my mom . :)
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: son on October 10, 2011, 07:38:48 PM
My Mom believes too. In fact, virtually every one I talk to will at least consider it if I bring it up. My adoptive aunt wouldn't let me get past the "what about the kids?" explanation, she's usually very open minded and understanding but not with this (of all things).  :?
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: MissG on October 10, 2011, 07:55:22 PM
Could not watch the video, but by reading the replies, i guess that came from someone who does not like hoaxers and believe M is alive but we are putting him in danger with this hoax talk?  WTF??


Are we discussing where Michael is hiding?  WTF??  also, we are just "crazy hoaxers"...who cares or believes in "our crazy theories" anyway?


Some people take this more serious than his family does.
Title: Re: This hoax vid I just viewed has me thinking a bit.....
Post by: alfarle on October 10, 2011, 07:59:39 PM
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Could not watch the video, but by reading the replies, i guess that came from someone who does not like hoaxers and believe M is alive but we are putting him in danger with this hoax talk?  WTF??


Are we discussing where Michael is hiding?  WTF??  also, we are just "crazy hoaxers"...who cares or believes in "our crazy theories" anyway?


Some people take this more serious than his family does.


I guess that's because his family actually knows what's exactly going on. So yeah....I'm sure they're pretty secure and confident. :)
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