Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Hoax Videos => Topic started by: sprint911 on September 24, 2010, 10:50:29 AM
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[youtube:2447adp3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ28R4Pnw4[/youtube:2447adp3]
[youtube:2447adp3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUiXdkqy6iQ[/youtube:2447adp3]
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Thank you :)
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Hmmm :) very interesting for sure. Looking forward to what comes next with this...
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I can't wait that their will be another video to see the truth revealed.
Thank you for posting this video.
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hmmm . wounder who will reveal the truth! Any thougts who it might be? :D
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Looks kinda like Karen Faye.. :S anyway, hope it's a real insider this time!
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this should be interesting :D
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Are we finally going to start finding out the truth with some REAL facts and answers? I hope so!
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I kinda think it looks like the infamous "Blond Woman"...
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Great video! But, I'm not getting my hopes up. Not sure how much more my heart can take.
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Great video! But, I'm not getting my hopes up. Not sure how much more my heart can take.
I hear you.. We had too many lies going on. I will wait but not put my hopes high. blessings
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For some reason, it will not let me view the video. Could someone please post the web link to the youtube video?
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Looks kinda like Karen Faye.. :S anyway, hope it's a real insider this time!
I kinda think it looks like the infamous "Blond Woman"...
Notice it says "Dramatic Purposes Only" during the blurred out blonde lady part
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They best not be messing with us!
Thanks for posting. :)
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sigh
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Yep interesting...interesting...i just wanna see what the truth is and soon LOL :)
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Karen is not celebrity, she is a make up artist for celebrities. I think of Liz Taylor......MJ would trust her only or Janet? Not necessarily blond hair, it can be wig.
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Here is the link to YT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ28R4Pnw4&feature=sub (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ28R4Pnw4&feature=sub)
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If it turns out to be Karen, I'm going to have a hard time listening to it. She has rubbed me the wrong way ever since June of '09.
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If it turns out to be Karen, I'm going to have a hard time listening to it. She has rubbed me the wrong way ever since June of '09.
Was just thinking the same.
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Here is the link to YT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ28R4Pnw4&feature=sub (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcZ28R4Pnw4&feature=sub)
Thank you!
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watching... :roll:
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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MJhoaxevidence is one of my favorite youtube hoax channels. They make good videos. I don't think they would fake it but they too can be fooled. I'd not get my hopes up but will watch. Looked rather like Paris Hilton to me, lol!
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hope its not fake and somthing is revealed i feel like im playing a game of snakes and ladders one minute i,m up the next i,m down :D
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I resaw the video, this person, looks very familiar, I cannot pin point who she is. not (Paris Hilton) It is frustrating. I tried to enlarge the photo but it's unclear. She may not be blond, she may have worn a wig. What I don't understand if they have the interview already, why didn't they make us see it now, instead of waiting for it. This is another thing that does not make sense. They showed us this blond lady talking, so why not post it with this youtube. Just my opinion. I just hope it is not another led down. Love.
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I don't think that the person was indicating that the blurred image is of the celeb...it said "For dramatic purposes only."
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I don't think that the person was indicating that the blurred image is of the celeb...it said "For dramatic purposes only."
I agree. I don't think the blurred blonde person is the celeb in question. I think showing a blurred person talking just added to the claim that a celeb has come forward; mush like starting the video with the clips from the Al Pacino/Russell Crowe movie. I think all of this was done just to enhance the video. My take is that the "for dramatic purposes only" indicates that the blurred blonde person is not the real celeb who has come forward. Hopefully we will know soon, once this person uploads their next video.
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Told you Michael woudl be back for my birthday :lol:
Isn't it weird that on september 23 we have this video + austin Brown twitting about big news to happen on monday 27 at 11am EST.
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Question is - what female celebrity was in 'This is it'? Orianthi?
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For Austin Brown it concerns his website ... http://www.austinbrown.com/aol/ and his first song ...
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Question is - what female celebrity was in 'This is it'? Orianthi?
Alexandrea Apjarova, the aerialist, shows up in IMDB......
was there someone in the bonus feature section....I'll have to re-watch it......popcorn time!....research, gotta love it ;)
here is the link to the imdb for her:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2241728/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2241728/)
Blessings!
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Personally I wouldn't class her as a 'celebrity' but ok, anyone else?
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Personally I wouldn't class her as a 'celebrity' but ok, anyone else?
I know what you mean......I just thought maybe someone might because of the imdb thing. I haven't looked at the bonus features yet. I think Orianthi is probably the closest so far.......she is a celebrity now, not really before. I feel like we are missing something.
If this is all an adventure, you could classify everything as part of This Is It......the o2, the movie, the 911call, the heli, the hospital, the memorial, the funeral...everything is part of it. So, given that train of thought.......there are many celebrities.
L.O.V.E. & Blessings
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I hope what she is about to present to us & the world WILL BE POWERFUL EVIDENCE!!!!!! EVIDENCE that wil bring us to the truth about the hoax & the "THIS IS IT" movie!!!!
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Yep ! She better say something interesting, or she'll eat my jacket :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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not sure if it goes here, feel free to move...this is what this so called insider is revealing
[youtube:1je4alp7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUiXdkqy6iQ&feature=sub[/youtube:1je4alp7]
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Okay, interesting. Hmmm...so for the most part this person didn't say anything that we haven't already found out a long time ago. I did find interesting that this person did seem to know more about the industry than the average person but it's nothing that someone in photography probably wouldn't know. I'm not trying to be critical but so far it was only confirmation but nothing new in the way of information.
I wish the person would just say who they are. It drives me crazy all of the secrecy. Maybe they are afraid of being run out of town, IDK, but people would believe her more if she were to come forward...for real.
I do think that these kids (dancers and backup singers) have gotten the break of their lifetime by being in TII and associated with Michael Jackson. Well done.
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Anyway i always found weird that this "dancers" were also actors, all already working for KO, all already booked, and all available 2 months later to be at the funeral (who gets burried by "ex-employees of ex-director of a tour that didn't happen and that is supposed to have killed you" ?)
The whole thing is "unbelievable"...but the bigger the lie...
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I can't tell if this is just another," part" of everything.....or someone really trying to expose TII for what it really is.
I can't really say why, but, I think it might just be all part of the hoax itself. We are supposed to be lead down a path of deception, but why? Why run videos exposing TII now? Why did this person wait so long? It does not add up.....it's all very interesting, I was glued :) Piece, by piece......things seem to be opening up.....
charitable givings, lawyer meetings, TII was always a film, everything staged.......until he is revealed.
Blessings!
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[youtube:2ymkbcsf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUiXdkqy6iQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2ymkbcsf]
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already posted viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25)
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What is disturbing for me is that she says such a movie can be made in 3 months...(did i got it right ? )
so was it made in the 3 months before MJ' death, all staged before, or does she mean it was made right after june 25, using doubles and few images of Michael, and creating all this rehearsal things right after his death...
I don't know what to think. It can be understood from both side if you consider she only talk about truth about TII
Let's consider it from "death side" : there was 2/3 camera during Michael rehearsals, but yes they could have make a whole movie after his death, using 8/9 camera more, and take doubles to create this rehearsals etc, which would explain why they hide it and say there was only 2/3 camera for personnal archives.
from "hoax side" : of course we already know this was meant to be a movie and all those camera were there from the beginning and the rehearsal movie was done before MJ left...
Too weird for me so early in the morning. I will wait for other people's idea about this.
PS : i think this interview/talk is fake, and even if the voice could be changed for safety, i believe it's all constructed to make us believe in it, but it says nothing more than what we already found here on the forum....I think it a big "appearance work" : technical stuff, pretending to have celebrity speaking etc etc...this video itself seems "staged" :lol:
If beLIEvers start to stage their videos...OMG, it's gonna be hard to understand !
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Thanks for finding this video...very interesting...some new facts I wasn't aware of. Just confirms my initial thoughts.. She didn't mention any of the other dancers though...I will look up and see if they are actors also.. cheers.
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Some of the stuff we know, but it's being documented. This could have major repercussions on the hoax. Or else, like someone said, we are being led along another garden path. She does prove TII was meant to be a major film.
Planning could have started when MJ came back to the US and met up with Kenny and those other major show people in Las Vegas. That's where the Cirque du Soleil and other deals (record, games, etc.) were made. Trouble was--MJ's image had been smeared because of the 1993 allegations and 2005 trial. So, the hoax was dreamed up. Now, an MJ brand is in the process of being created. I think MJ also wanted a normal life for his kids. This was the only way they thought he could swing it.
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i liked it very much, don't sure about the credibility of that insider, but she gave us some precious info, e.g i didnt know that those two dacers were actors as well.
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This is good, could this be part of MJ's plan to begin the countdown to the big reveal and comeback? If this person knows all about TII then surely she must know if MJ is alive, why it was all done, etc. etc.
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The video has been removed????? :?
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video has been disabled in forums, but it is still there on you tube
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When she stated that she was the same age as Michael the first though that came to me was
Madonna.
Just thinking about when she was on stage telling the world just how much She and Michael were so much alike. Same age/same number of kids in there families and much more.
But then again the voice was changed so could it have been a man ????????
i know i need to go back to bed lol.
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The video has been removed????? :?
no its still there, you just have to watch in ytube, and I just did :shock: :lol:
Interesting, much we already found, but for those who are trying to catch up if they are new, puts all the information in one video which saves time.
very interesting
;)
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
How do you explain Michael choosing 2 actresses for his female dancers? Why would he do that for a concert series?
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When she stated that she was the same age as Michael the first though that came to me was
Madonna.
Just thinking about when she was on stage telling the world just how much She and Michael were so much alike. Same age/same number of kids in there families and much more.
But then again the voice was changed so could it have been a man ????????
i know i need to go back to bed lol.
I so compelety agree with you and i believe it is modonna
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why cant i edit my post
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video has been disabled in forums, but it is still there on you tube
no, you just have to click the video to watch on youtube
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Personally I wouldn't class her as a 'celebrity' but ok, anyone else?
I know what you mean......I just thought maybe someone might because of the imdb thing. I haven't looked at the bonus features yet. I think Orianthi is probably the closest so far.......she is a celebrity now, not really before. I feel like we are missing something.
If this is all an adventure, you could classify everything as part of This Is It......the o2, the movie, the 911call, the heli, the hospital, the memorial, the funeral...everything is part of it. So, given that train of thought.......there are many celebrities.
L.O.V.E. & Blessings
If this female 'celebrity' is speaking the truth, then it can't be Orianthi. She does not say specifically that she was in TII...but she does mention that she is close to Michael's age. Interestingly enough, she also makes a comment about that fact being important later (maybe ties in with MJ not being born in 1958???). But supposing he was born in 1958, then that would make this female celebrity close to 50 or just over 50. Does anyone know if Madonna was ever signed to A&M records? I know she was with Warner Bros (until 2007 I believe)...but I couldn't find any info on her ever having been with A&M. I also think she did some background vocals early on in her musical career and she is also an actress. She's the first one that popped into my head. I am reminded of her speech at the awards ceremony shortly after his death.
With L.O.V.E. always.
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What is relevant to ME is whether MJHOAXEVIDENCE is a member of this forum. I want to know who this "celebrity source" is and if they are a beLIEver... if this is not revealed or it is not the case... then I don't get the point! Also, why would they contact mjhoaxevidence specifically?
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What is relevant to ME is whether MJHOAXEVIDENCE is a member of this forum. I want to know who this "celebrity source" is and if they are a beLIEver... if this is not revealed or it is not the case... then I don't get the point! Also, why would they contact mjhoaxevidence specifically?
your question is kinda silly...
if this was pianogames or anyone else you would've ask the same question
We're not going to know who she is, that's why she wants to be anonymous and i dont blame her
she is not saying she is a believer or not, she imforming us about the truth about this is it. Nothing more! And believe this is Modonna
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Personally I wouldn't class her as a 'celebrity' but ok, anyone else?
I know what you mean......I just thought maybe someone might because of the imdb thing. I haven't looked at the bonus features yet. I think Orianthi is probably the closest so far.......she is a celebrity now, not really before. I feel like we are missing something.
If this is all an adventure, you could classify everything as part of This Is It......the o2, the movie, the 911call, the heli, the hospital, the memorial, the funeral...everything is part of it. So, given that train of thought.......there are many celebrities.
L.O.V.E. & Blessings
If this female 'celebrity' is speaking the truth, then it can't be Orianthi. She does not say specifically that she was in TII...but she does mention that she is close to Michael's age. Interestingly enough, she also makes a comment about that fact being important later (maybe ties in with MJ not being born in 1958???). But supposing he was born in 1958, then that would make this female celebrity close to 50 or just over 50. Does anyone know if Madonna was ever signed to A&M records? I know she was with Warner Bros (until 2007 I believe)...but I couldn't find any info on her ever having been with A&M. I also think she did some background vocals early on in her musical career and she is also an actress. She's the first one that popped into my head. I am reminded of her speech at the awards ceremony shortly after his death.
With L.O.V.E. always.
You're exactly right BeTheChange........
I'm gonna mull this over and over. I want to think there is more to this. The timing of it all, why now?
Do you think it's part of the hoax itself.....a planned leak type of thing? Or, really someone out to ruin/expose TII?
Thoughts?
Blessings!
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Perhaps if tom pickering (codeofthriller) made a video, I'd be more inclined to believe this material. As it stands now, I think it's clearly unsubstantiated and illegitimate. How would they be able to reveal this type of information, anyway? Wouldn't the media be the first to snatch something of relative importance into the grips of there palms so they can fabricate and exaggerate the extent of this information further? I'm terribly sorry, but this just doesn't cut it for me. If it is breakthrough evidence, I'll be pleased to view it, but right now? I don't think it's even worthy of consideration. Remember: don't believe everything that is put out there. this includes death hoaxers looking to play others just to toy with their own emotions. You never even know if a certain youtuber is creating these videos just for the views so they could get a possible partnership of somesort. but I hope this is not the case!
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
How do you explain Michael choosing 2 actresses for his female dancers? Why would he do that for a concert series?
A dancer that is also an actor or vice versa...shows the person has well rounded experience. Its on their resume. Compared to, for example, a person thats just a dancer.
Obviously they wanted experienced talent for TII.
KO wanted experienced talent reguardless if MJ is alive or dead.
The video doesnt say if TII was made before or after June 25...so we dont know.
How does this video reveal hes alive? & how does the video connect TII to the hoax??
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
How do you explain Michael choosing 2 actresses for his female dancers? Why would he do that for a concert series?
A dancer that is also an actor or vice versa...shows the person has well rounded experience. Its on their resume. Compared to, for example, a person thats just a dancer.
Obviously they wanted experienced talent for TII.
KO wanted experienced talent reguardless if MJ is alive or dead.
The video doesnt say if TII was made before or after June 25...so we dont know.
How does this video reveal hes alive? & how does the video connect TII to the hoax??
You're fooling yourself. Hiring an actress that is qualified for "some dance or movement required" roles is not a professional back up dancer of the quality that THE King of Pop is going to use for a major come back tour.
It's ok to believe.
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can someone please post the part 1 video in my first post please
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I want to believe that this person is 'real' but I'm not totally convinced just yet as nothing new or revealing has been said.
Having said that I shall be watching the next video! :)
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
Oh ye of little faith! ;)
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Some retard locked up my post for failure to read the title fully. so heres PART 1of "An Insider Reveals the Truth About "This Is It" --Part 1--AN M.J.H.E. EXCLUSIVE"
[youtube:2nl24kq4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUiXdkqy6iQ[/youtube:2nl24kq4]
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Some retard locked up my post for failure to read the title fully.
Consider yourself warned m8ighty. Watch your language.
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the video already been posted. That's why mo locked your thread
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
I see you are a non believer. This is it was done before he supposedly passed away. Just the way he or she explained that they had hire all those dancers before hand. I have an intuition just leave it at that.
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the video already been posted. That's why mo locked your thread
it wasnt a minute ago
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This a great vid, but nothing we didnt already know b4. But I'm glad this is a series, TII is alot a deeper then I originally thought/.
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Well, well, well, Michael never intended to do the concerts, which we knew but now it is confirmed. He is a genius. He made more money in the making of this movie than if he would have done the 50 concerts. Congratulations Michael!
I did not know that the casts were chosen before, I guess they made us believe otherwise. If what this secret person has said is true, than this kind of reveals Michael is alive. Which we all know he is even if this was not revealed. The question I have is why did this person waited until now to reveal all of this? Can that secret person be Michael? Who better than him revealing it? I can't wait to see the second part.
Blessings.
Please explain how this video reveals Michael is alive??
Becuz the way I see it, TII is a high end movie that could have been compiled & made after the death. Just becuz TII is a high end movie (which I knew before anyways) doesnt mean MJ is alive.
I see you are a non believer. This is it was done before he supposedly passed away. Just the way he or she explained that they had hire all those dancers before hand. I have an intuition just leave it at that.
oh quite the contrare, I'm a believer thats seeking the truth.
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the video already been posted. That's why mo locked your thread
it wasnt a minute ago
Mo locked it because THAT video was already posted in THIS thread TWICE....
1: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25#p241229 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25#p241229)
2: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25#p241242 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14371&start=25#p241242)
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i am glad that this person posted this video. There was a lot of things that I didn't know about. It may have been discussed here before, but I just didn't see it before. If this person does have inside information about this is it. I would love to know about the well being of Michael. That is what I am truly worried about.
When i saw the first video, the first person that popped in my mind was Karen Faye. She is pretty close to Michael's age. I am sure she has worked with Kenny before, just being Michael's hairstylist, but I am not sure about anything else. I would think that she would know the insides of what went on, since she was there. But, after seeing the second video and reading what others have posted, I am leaning more towards Madonna. I am not sure that she would take the time to find out all the info on the dancers and the extra cameramen. Great video and I am looking forward to the next one.
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I realize that the following site has many debunked and fake things on it but that is the point, everything on this site is fabricated information. So they claim these are screen shots from MJHOAXEVIDENCE's twiter; that mjhoaxevidence has faked information, just like everything else on this website is faked.
"If we can believe MJHOAXEVIDENCE Michael is alive and communicating with people via twitter."
(http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/jackson%20twitter.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/resources/michael%20twitter.jpg)
http://www.michaeljacksonsightings.com/
MJHoaxEvidence, is the maker of this videos series, in which they claim that a secret celebrity insider is giving them information about the movie TII.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MJHoaxEvidence
Now, I really have to ask myself if this hoax video creator is legitimate or just another Player?
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i dont think thats mjhoaxevidence real twitter :roll:
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it's not from MJhoaxevidence twitter, it's fro the fake account of the jackson all_jacksons
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it's not from MJhoaxevidence twitter, it's fro the fake account of the jackson all_jacksons
Okay I misunderstood these are screenshots and from one of MJhoaxevidence's videos; that will teach me to just skim a page. :oops:
MJHE has taken this taken down because they where saying Michael was communicating with fans based on this twitter and returning in June, they were incorrect.
Here is a screenshot from the MJHE video that appears to verify a Michael Jackson come-back in June. It is comepletely shocking and in fact hard to believe. We have a link to the entire video posted on the Videos Page. If we can believe MJHOAXEVIDENCE Michael is alive and communicating with people via twitter. MJHOAXEVIDENCE goes on in his video to tell us of a PRIVATE concert that went on April 14 at Neverland Ranch featuring Orianthi , Michael's guitarist in the "This Is It" movie. But we thought Neverland was sold and now called Sycamore Ranch. MJHE points out that Michael's estate is STILL at part owner. the Michael tweets were taken from the ALL_JACK5ONS twitter account. MJHE claims this is the official Jacksons Twitter account and was switched from Jermaine's account. We have a link to the entire
MJHE VIdeo on our video page
I still say that the whole secret celebrity informer thing is still pretty suspicious. If they provide some new material with evidence to prove that, I will reconsider. There was nothing new in video number 1 all the information is already on these forums and was uncovered months ago.
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Well, if it is true, then the person I believe could be the one they are talking about, is Queen Latifah.
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So if TII was made/ in production well before June 2009 and is indeed a movie and not concert rehearsal footage, then it was all planned and edited to co-incide with June 25th then, when Kenny and others were filmed gathered round the day MJ 'died' was all pre-arranged and staged. So does this confirm that it is a hoax and MJ is alive then?
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So if TII was made/ in production well before June 2009 and is indeed a movie and not concert rehearsal footage, then it was all planned and edited to co-incide with June 25th then, when Kenny and others were filmed gathered round the day MJ 'died' was all pre-arranged and staged. So does this confirm that it is a hoax and MJ is alive then?
Who do you think the main director is?
The only other option is that it would all have been planned by bad camp prior to murdering Michael Jackson, but piles of evidence prove that he wasn't murdered.
So yes, it does confirm that this is a hoax and Mike is alive.
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So if TII was made/ in production well before June 2009 and is indeed a movie and not concert rehearsal footage, then it was all planned and edited to co-incide with June 25th then, when Kenny and others were filmed gathered round the day MJ 'died' was all pre-arranged and staged. So does this confirm that it is a hoax and MJ is alive then?
Who do you think the main director is?
The only other option is that it would all have been planned by bad camp prior to murdering Michael Jackson, but piles of evidence prove that he wasn't murdered.
So yes, it does confirm that this is a hoax and Mike is alive.
Thanks Mo for saying the same thing I said in my other post, and someone kind of bit my head saying, do I have proof. isn't this enough of a proof?
Blessings.
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So if TII was made/ in production well before June 2009 and is indeed a movie and not concert rehearsal footage, then it was all planned and edited to co-incide with June 25th then, when Kenny and others were filmed gathered round the day MJ 'died' was all pre-arranged and staged. So does this confirm that it is a hoax and MJ is alive then?
Who do you think the main director is?
The only other option is that it would all have been planned by bad camp prior to murdering Michael Jackson, but piles of evidence prove that he wasn't murdered.
So yes, it does confirm that this is a hoax and Mike is alive.
Amen Mo! lets not forget that we are dealing with an absolute GENIUS here..I'm sure each and every "step" has been carefully planned!
Thanks Michael...I'm having the time of my life on this wonderful adventure, but at the same time, I'm still "keeping it real" and spreading L.O.V.E and Light, wherever I can!
I love you brother..." Heart" to "Heart" and "Mind" To "Mind"...Always and forever!
Dayna :D
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I did alot more fishing around with the so called "Dancers" that were hired for This is it..
no doubt they are dancers, but their portfolios are very interesting...all most all of them, are listed as actors......
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Can you imagine if we knew this a year ago??
This has to be strategic.
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And wait......there is more....
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
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And wait......there is more....
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
Thanks .. and there is more about Timor & the TII dancers (actors):
from http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... -t1479.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/tii-dancers-speculations-qs-vmas-t1479.htm)
Hello, peeps.
OK, so about the This is It dancers : have you guys ever watched the audition video ? It's an HD, dance-show type of audition – if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I've told this before, but the video looked like a caricature of dancing shows – it looked quite artificial. Kinda like they had been hired prior to that – well for some reason, I don't think they ALL know. But, surely, a couple of them do – maybe the high-profile ones like Shannon and Timor.
As you all know too, the dancers have signed two-year contracts with confidentiality agreements to boot. (the concerts were supposed to end in March 2010, correct ? Follow my lead here)
Remember too that the This Is It dancers were at the funeral in the peculiar role of “ushers” (they lead the guests to their seats ; kinda like at a theater play, or concert, or any other form of show) complete with matching outfits and posed picture.
Among those dancers, the two more prominent ones I can think of are Shannon Hoptz-something and Timor Steffens. If you follow their tweets, you'll know that Shannon is the only dancer Kenny in the sky with diamonds follows and they have interesting back-and-forth tweets such has “I can't wait till the world witnesses his vision”, or Shannon tweeted a couple of times “TO YOUR DESTINY”, stuff like that. Now, I don't want to make TOO MUCH of those tweets, but I'm sure we can make SOMETHING off of them.
Looking at Timor's tweets : from what I can gather, after Michael's alleged and untimely “death”, Timor went back to the Netherlands, his homeland, and came right back to LA for a “undisclosed, life-changing project” apparently. He's been in LA ever since and apparently was rehearsing hard – I mean, really, all his tweets are about his rehearsals for his “exciting” project.
Yesterday, Timor tweeted that he was at LAX (the Los Angeles airport) and was going off in an “exciting place, won't tell ya !” (why is everyone remotely involved with MJ get their kicks off riddling ? Can ANYONE be frickin' literal for a second ! But not my point here….)
According to his latest tweet, he met with the other This it It dancers (including Shannon) at a greek restaurant called “Uncle Nick's” – I googled it, it's in NYC – as you all know the VMA MJ tribute is this week-end in NYC. I'm not sure there'll be some kind of bomb info this weekend (I am, though, waiting for the ever-so-longed-for TII movie trailer).
I just had a q : are they supposed or scheduled to make a cameo there or assist Janet in her tribute performance ?
Why do they dub this as “exciting” and entertain the mystery about their new project or whatever ? Why have they been rehearsing in LA like crazy for over a couple months now ? Why were they even ushers at the funeral ? That part of their contract as well ?
Just wondering what you would make of this.
The contracts are still running I guess ;)
Anyway, these are all speculations :|
L.O.V.E. always
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And wait......there is more....
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
Thanks .. and there is more about Timor & the TII dancers (actors):
from http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... -t1479.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/tii-dancers-speculations-qs-vmas-t1479.htm)
Hello, peeps.
OK, so about the This is It dancers : have you guys ever watched the audition video ? It's an HD, dance-show type of audition – if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I've told this before, but the video looked like a caricature of dancing shows – it looked quite artificial. Kinda like they had been hired prior to that – well for some reason, I don't think they ALL know. But, surely, a couple of them do – maybe the high-profile ones like Shannon and Timor.
As you all know too, the dancers have signed two-year contracts with confidentiality agreements to boot. (the concerts were supposed to end in March 2010, correct ? Follow my lead here)
Remember too that the This Is It dancers were at the funeral in the peculiar role of “ushers” (they lead the guests to their seats ; kinda like at a theater play, or concert, or any other form of show) complete with matching outfits and posed picture.
Among those dancers, the two more prominent ones I can think of are Shannon Hoptz-something and Timor Steffens. If you follow their tweets, you'll know that Shannon is the only dancer Kenny in the sky with diamonds follows and they have interesting back-and-forth tweets such has “I can't wait till the world witnesses his vision”, or Shannon tweeted a couple of times “TO YOUR DESTINY”, stuff like that. Now, I don't want to make TOO MUCH of those tweets, but I'm sure we can make SOMETHING off of them.
Looking at Timor's tweets : from what I can gather, after Michael's alleged and untimely “death”, Timor went back to the Netherlands, his homeland, and came right back to LA for a “undisclosed, life-changing project” apparently. He's been in LA ever since and apparently was rehearsing hard – I mean, really, all his tweets are about his rehearsals for his “exciting” project.
Yesterday, Timor tweeted that he was at LAX (the Los Angeles airport) and was going off in an “exciting place, won't tell ya !” (why is everyone remotely involved with MJ get their kicks off riddling ? Can ANYONE be frickin' literal for a second ! But not my point here….)
According to his latest tweet, he met with the other This it It dancers (including Shannon) at a greek restaurant called “Uncle Nick's” – I googled it, it's in NYC – as you all know the VMA MJ tribute is this week-end in NYC. I'm not sure there'll be some kind of bomb info this weekend (I am, though, waiting for the ever-so-longed-for TII movie trailer).
I just had a q : are they supposed or scheduled to make a cameo there or assist Janet in her tribute performance ?
Why do they dub this as “exciting” and entertain the mystery about their new project or whatever ? Why have they been rehearsing in LA like crazy for over a couple months now ? Why were they even ushers at the funeral ? That part of their contract as well ?
Just wondering what you would make of this.
The contracts are still running I guess ;)
Anyway, these are all speculations :|
L.O.V.E. always
EXCELLENT QUESTIONS :) And ones that I've long wondered about myself. I need to think about this but I have heard about the 2 year contracts but is there really proof of this or is it just hearsay? Blessings.
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And wait......there is more....
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
Thanks .. and there is more about Timor & the TII dancers (actors):
from http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-thi ... -t1479.htm (http://mjkit.forumotion.net/all-odd-things-f8/tii-dancers-speculations-qs-vmas-t1479.htm)
Hello, peeps.
OK, so about the This is It dancers : have you guys ever watched the audition video ? It's an HD, dance-show type of audition – if you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. I've told this before, but the video looked like a caricature of dancing shows – it looked quite artificial. Kinda like they had been hired prior to that – well for some reason, I don't think they ALL know. But, surely, a couple of them do – maybe the high-profile ones like Shannon and Timor.
As you all know too, the dancers have signed two-year contracts with confidentiality agreements to boot. (the concerts were supposed to end in March 2010, correct ? Follow my lead here)
Remember too that the This Is It dancers were at the funeral in the peculiar role of “ushers” (they lead the guests to their seats ; kinda like at a theater play, or concert, or any other form of show) complete with matching outfits and posed picture.
Among those dancers, the two more prominent ones I can think of are Shannon Hoptz-something and Timor Steffens. If you follow their tweets, you'll know that Shannon is the only dancer Kenny in the sky with diamonds follows and they have interesting back-and-forth tweets such has “I can't wait till the world witnesses his vision”, or Shannon tweeted a couple of times “TO YOUR DESTINY”, stuff like that. Now, I don't want to make TOO MUCH of those tweets, but I'm sure we can make SOMETHING off of them.
Looking at Timor's tweets : from what I can gather, after Michael's alleged and untimely “death”, Timor went back to the Netherlands, his homeland, and came right back to LA for a “undisclosed, life-changing project” apparently. He's been in LA ever since and apparently was rehearsing hard – I mean, really, all his tweets are about his rehearsals for his “exciting” project.
Yesterday, Timor tweeted that he was at LAX (the Los Angeles airport) and was going off in an “exciting place, won't tell ya !” (why is everyone remotely involved with MJ get their kicks off riddling ? Can ANYONE be frickin' literal for a second ! But not my point here….)
According to his latest tweet, he met with the other This it It dancers (including Shannon) at a greek restaurant called “Uncle Nick's” – I googled it, it's in NYC – as you all know the VMA MJ tribute is this week-end in NYC. I'm not sure there'll be some kind of bomb info this weekend (I am, though, waiting for the ever-so-longed-for TII movie trailer).
I just had a q : are they supposed or scheduled to make a cameo there or assist Janet in her tribute performance ?
Why do they dub this as “exciting” and entertain the mystery about their new project or whatever ? Why have they been rehearsing in LA like crazy for over a couple months now ? Why were they even ushers at the funeral ? That part of their contract as well ?
Just wondering what you would make of this.
The contracts are still running I guess ;)
Anyway, these are all speculations :|
L.O.V.E. always
This is regarding Shannon that you mentioned...i am sure he knows...i found this twitter post dated 25th June
I was hugging Michael exactly one year ago, at this moment, he said to me "Thank-you, God bless you, I love you"... for the last time. 9:40 AM Jun 25th via web
he puts exactly one year ago today...why not put 1 year ago yesterday at the lst rehersals?...sounds a bit fishy to me
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It's good that it's put together in a video, but it's nothing we didn't know already. All of this info was posted on the forum during the past year.
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Wow !
That list on IMDB about TII is HUGE. I thought I was never going to stop scrolling down.
I can't wait for part 2, but I honestly really wanna know who this is!
I don't think it's fake however.
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"This is regarding Shannon that you mentioned...i am sure he knows...i found this twitter post dated 25th June
I was hugging Michael exactly one year ago, at this moment, he said to me "Thank-you, God bless you, I love you"... for the last time. 9:40 AM Jun 25th via web
he puts exactly one year ago today...why not put 1 year ago yesterday at the lst rehersals?...sounds a bit fishy to me"
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This sounds fishy to me alright -- why would he be hugging Michael on June 25th at 9:40 AM when Michael was supposedly trying to get some rest?? He did say at this moment which he tweeted at 9:40 in the morning of June 25th. Something is very "off" about this tweet.
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But why the insider does not say anything about mj hoax death. If she knows things from this is it. She should know what happen to mj. I hope clarify that .
Another thing I don't think Madonna is the insider. Sinceichael has stated they were that close. This insider was in Michael inner circle. Madonna was not eve his friend. I hope is not Karen Faye
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[youtube:nsrrrx3b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCX6KcT-5gs[/youtube:nsrrrx3b]
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Thank you ForTheTruth for posting the second part!
The vid is really interesting and mostly convincing, but in some parts also hinting towards relevant points without giving more information. I feel like it is indicating to look deeper and connect some dots...
I am refering to a sequence when Michael's clones are mentioned.
MJHoaxEvidence says:
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
Does this mean that Michael is known in film industry for having 3 particular clones (doubles) which he is always using for stand-ins and stunts or does it mean that he is known to work in film industry under 3 different aliases?
Because English is not my native language, I sometimes fear to misunderstand or misinterpret phrases. Maybe we could help each other to get things right here? :)
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Thank you ForTheTruth for posting the second part!
The vid is really interesting and mostly convincing, but in some parts also hinting towards relevant points without giving more information. I feel like it is indicating to look deeper and connect some dots...
I am refering to a sequence when Michael's clones are mentioned.
MJHoaxEvidence says:
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
Does this mean that Michael is known in film industry for having 3 particular clones (doubles) which he is always using for stand-ins and stunts or does it mean that he is known to work in film industry under 3 different aliases?
Because English is not my native language, I sometimes fear to misunderstand or misinterpret phrases. Maybe we could help each other to get things right here? :)
Do they really sat CLONES?
I don't buy that, sorry. A clone should look EXACTLY like the original, and the doubles I see don't look exactly like the original.
I do believe he is known in the film industry under aliases, more then we even might think.
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Thank you ForTheTruth for posting the second part!
The vid is really interesting and mostly convincing, but in some parts also hinting towards relevant points without giving more information. I feel like it is indicating to look deeper and connect some dots...
I am refering to a sequence when Michael's clones are mentioned.
MJHoaxEvidence says:
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
Does this mean that Michael is known in film industry for having 3 particular clones (doubles) which he is always using for stand-ins and stunts or does it mean that he is known to work in film industry under 3 different aliases?
Because English is not my native language, I sometimes fear to misunderstand or misinterpret phrases. Maybe we could help each other to get things right here? :)
Do they really sat CLONES?
I don't buy that, sorry. A clone should look EXACTLY like the original, and the doubles I see don't look exactly like the original.
I do believe he is known in the film industry under aliases, more then we even might think.
Well, I will be honest. I hope this person is being sincere and not trying bulljive around with anything. I think we have had enough of the foolishness of trolls and playing games with folk, really. I mean, the vid is good and all. I hope this person is going to share further info but not play games. That's all I am saying.
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ok i am a little :? are they suggesting all double or double in the mix?
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So if this 'insider' is genuine then she has confirmed that MJ 'clones' were used, 3 of them, and also that TII is part of a huge hoax and Michael is alive! Interesting that the word 'clones' was used and not impersonators or doubles? Does Michael have a clone army!?!
So was MJ actually in TII at all, or was he behind the camera directing the whole thing using 3 clones on stage?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_Saga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clone_Saga) :?: marvel comics again
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im confused also, did she said he wasn't hardly never there at rehearsals so he used doubles
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:? :roll: :?:
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
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Thank you ForTheTruth for posting the second part!
The vid is really interesting and mostly convincing, but in some parts also hinting towards relevant points without giving more information. I feel like it is indicating to look deeper and connect some dots...
I am refering to a sequence when Michael's clones are mentioned.
MJHoaxEvidence says:
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
Does this mean that Michael is known in film industry for having 3 particular clones (doubles) which he is always using for stand-ins and stunts or does it mean that he is known to work in film industry under 3 different aliases?
Because English is not my native language, I sometimes fear to misunderstand or misinterpret phrases. Maybe we could help each other to get things right here? :)
Do they really sat CLONES?
I don't buy that, sorry. A clone should look EXACTLY like the original, and the doubles I see don't look exactly like the original.
I do believe he is known in the film industry under aliases, more then we even might think.
Well, I will be honest. I hope this person is being sincere and not trying bulljive around with anything. I think we have had enough of the foolishness of trolls and playing games with folk, really. I mean, the vid is good and all. I hope this person is going to share further info but not play games. That's all I am saying.
The voice is distorted. It could be Paris reading a script Mike wrote for all we know. Who ever it is, I truly believe is working wit Mike, so they proper an most convincing info is put out for people to see.
Piece by piece (pple start questioning TII, who knows what else they may question)
just my opinion. L.O.V.E to all!
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
Sorry if my question about the clones can be misunderstood. I didn't intend to miscredit MJHoaxEvidence, I value her work very much. But I just stumbled about her wording which is very confusing and mixing completely different things.
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
...clones and assumed names he goes by in film industry?...
do his clones (doubles?) play his role in film industry or does Michael become a clone of somebody else by wearing a mask and then he is going into film industry?
I am afraid that it doesn't make sense at all. :?
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
The "anonymous informer" may be symbolic. Many believe what they read in the media without truly know who writes it. Jus cause some ones name is attached to the article, doesnt mean you know that person. This person is jus an "unnamed source". We all should be familiar with unnamed sources if we read TMZs articles.
I truly believe this "anonymous informer" is close to Mike. Maybe LaToya disguising her voice, or Rebbie, we havent heard much from her lately. Or maybe one of the female "dancers" from TII.
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( :? ) and there were a few other things that were new to me. But exactly, we don't know if she exists, but we don't know for sure that she doesn't. & we don't know for sure if she really does know inside information, at least we don't know yet. So to say right now that she's fake, isn't fair. I say we wait until all the parts are up and then you can decide.
Sorry if my question about the clones can be misunderstood. I didn't intend to miscredit MJHoaxEvidence, I value her work very much. But I just stumbled about her wording which is very confusing and mixing completely different things.
"There were Michael clones used, I know this for a fact.
I can't reveal their names, but there are three of them
Michael has several assumed names he goes by in the film industry."
...clones and assumed names he goes by in film industry?...
do his clones (doubles?) play his role in film industry or does Michael become a clone of somebody else by wearing a mask and then he is going into film industry?
I am afraid that it doesn't make sense at all. :?
I wasn't technically directing my comment to anyone in particular. I was just stating my opinion ;) I believe that Michael would go by many aliases. He did always say he liked to keep everything a mystery, he's a joker. I'm not sure about your questions about clones. :?
The "anonymous informer" may be symbolic. Many believe what they read in the media without truly know who writes it. Jus cause some ones name is attached to the article, doesnt mean you know that person. This person is jus an "unnamed source". We all should be familiar with unnamed sources if we read TMZs articles.
I truly believe this "anonymous informer" is close to Mike. Maybe LaToya disguising her voice, or Rebbie, we havent heard much from her lately. Or maybe one of the female "dancers" from TII.
I agree with you. The voice disguising was done by MJHoaxEvidence, most likely. I think they got an email with all this information, and you can use Microsoft voices.
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( :? )
Yes, it was already posted. It is in a thread about the credits for TII.
Posted here: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14071#p234731
Post by lovemj4everandever » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:09 pm
Now it appears that Jasmin Alveran, the Earth Girl, has two doubles herself! :lol:
“Earth Song” Short Film Cast
* Jasmine Alveran Rain Forest Girl
* Kimberly Duarte Rain Forest Girl Double #1
* Alana Gordillo Rain Forest Girl Double #2
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
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hmm that's strange, maybe the insider knows about this thread. i really like to know who's this person
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
I am not saying this "informant" is fake but who says they even exist at all. As you said "everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it" but I say "we have already discovered ALL of this information."
There isn't anything really new in these videos so far, so there may or may not even be an informer. And even if there is, it is just a video series rehashing the same information that has already been uncovered by other investigators. It is a good series because it is putting all the information in one place and reminding us of these things that were discovered some time ago (and some people may not have been aware of them). But unless something "new" comes out of this, I just don't know about the whole "anonymous informer" idea.
Not all, I don't think we ever discovered that Jasmine had a double ( :? )
Yes, it was already posted. It is in a thread about the credits for TII.
Posted here: http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=14071#p234731
Post by lovemj4everandever » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:09 pm
Now it appears that Jasmin Alveran, the Earth Girl, has two doubles herself! :lol:
“Earth Song” Short Film Cast
* Jasmine Alveran Rain Forest Girl
* Kimberly Duarte Rain Forest Girl Double #1
* Alana Gordillo Rain Forest Girl Double #2
http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php (http://www.michaeljacksonlive.com/thisisit/credits.php)
Okay, thanks Serenity :D I wasn't sure about that, ;)
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So if this 'insider' is genuine then she has confirmed that MJ 'clones' were used, 3 of them, and also that TII is part of a huge hoax and Michael is alive! Interesting that the word 'clones' was used and not impersonators or doubles? Does Michael have a clone army!?!
So was MJ actually in TII at all, or was he behind the camera directing the whole thing using 3 clones on stage?
clone (kln)
n.
1. A cell, group of cells, or organism that is descended from and genetically identical to a single common ancestor, such as a bacterial colony whose members arose from a single original cell.
2. An organism descended asexually from a single ancestor, such as a plant produced by layering or a polyp produced by budding.
3. A DNA sequence, such as a gene, that is transferred from one organism to another and replicated by genetic engineering techniques.
4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function: "filled with business-school clones in gray and blue suits" (Michael M. Thomas).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clone (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/clone)
According to definition #4 clone can be used instead of body double. #4. One that copies or closely resembles another, as in appearance or function is how clone is used in the video...So, the video is saying that there were 3 clones used...My question to the informer would be, I wonder if MJ was in the movie...OR...is he behind the camera & directing??
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I don't think it's very fair to call the person fake & not listen to what they have to say. Everything is possible in this hoax, so just listen to what she has to say, if you don't you'll be missing out because she sounds pretty reliable to me. & everything she says, we pretty much know is true, because we've either discovered most of it, or it's on IMDB!
:? Well, as always in these videos there is no closure information. Are open questions more than answers consistent. I think at least if some things are true, then assume that the family is correct in saying that Michael was very ill and he was intimidated to show up in tests, so in some (or many times) was used to doubles, or the that is, to close the movie and they would be used for a few moments from the shows, too, as has been mentioned somewhere. So for me, there's nothing "new" in this video. The question still remains: Where and how Michael was in that period? Well, in this case I think Kenny Ortega could only answer that because he spent the last few days with Michael, it was assumed it was. :roll: :?:
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While I have found these videos very interesting I wonder why we are being spoon-fed them? Is someone just collecting evidence from this site and other sources and then presenting it as insider knowledge? The suspense is killing me! I await further videos which will hopefully mention things that haven't already been mentioned here that can be verified somehow. Though I doubt it will be that easy. Keep the faith guys, time will tell!
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some of the information is not quite accurate, and anyone who looks into the TII Credits can see who was a stunt and for who ...
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so maybe it would be a good idea not to get so comgy with the idea of a movie that other ideas get put on the back burner or lost.
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Could the informant be Sheryl Crow?
From Part 1
‘I am a professional actress and singer’
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/)
‘I’ve appeared in feature films'
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151582/fullcredits (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151582/fullcredits)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352277/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352277/fullcredits#cast)
'and have recorded as a solo artist for Warner Bros Records, A&M Records and other major labels,’
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sheryl+Crow (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sheryl+Crow)
http://www.discogs.com/label/Reprise+Records (http://www.discogs.com/label/Reprise+Records)
‘I have had professional experience with both Michael
Bad Tour and Dirty Diana
as well as Kenny Ortega’
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‘I have also sung background vocals for many prominent artists’
‘I will say that Michael and I are very close in age, which will be important later.’
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002028/)
If it is Sheryl Crowe then her age would confirm that 1958 is not the true birth year.
Part 2
As for aliases I think Michael Joseph Jackson is the main alias.
Also
‘...and Michael’s different every night’ ... ‘there’s certain nights when Michael is, he’s more er, in contact with certain people, you know, like there’d be some nights when I have a lot of eye contact with him or certain nights when you know someone else does and that’s that’s fun ya know that’s interesting... ‘
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn73yqX6fOU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn73yqX6fOU)
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Could the informant be someone reading these forums and other's blogs and then emailing this to MJHoaxEvidence and not really an insider at all?
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Yes, it might be someone trying to fool us again, I agree.
However, these two videos are the most compelling ones that have come out in a long time. They are coherent and provide evidence. They also have an objective.
According to the video this person is a professional actress and singer who knows Michael and who has sung backup for him. It is also someone who is about the same age.
Could it be that this actress told the story to someone else and that this person is developing the video series? Perhaps she became suspicious as we did? Anyone who investigates this can see that there are inconsistencies in what is being fed to us, right?
We'll have to see how solid this information remains and whether or not the person is playing with us.
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From the detailed information about the persons identity I believe the informant is a singer and actress as stated. There can't be that many people who fit the specific description that is given. I think it is likely to be Sheryl Crow -as explained in my previous post- and definitely someone who is part of the hoax. The purpose of the videos is probably to bring together information that has been mentioned in diverse places or that has not been noticed/uncovered before. Mystery gets attention and draws an audience more than blogs and posts on forums. Yet the videos are direct and to the point - unlike some You Tube hoax videos that are deliberately cryptic because the maker is not totally sure themselves about the meaning of what they have found.
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what was said in those videos is really not new and not something you couldn't figure out by yourself if only took the few minutes to browse through the credits.
3 things I noticed as "not accurate" and which are - in my opinion - hinting towards an other "here are my 5 minutes of fame" type of thing:
a) the stunt ... what the lady says does not match the credits as Micha Hamilton was MJs stunt in Smooth Criminal
b) Jasmin Alveran had 2 (two!) doubles, which is normal when shooting scenes that involve kids. And it is also very logical, as Jasmin was acting in the Earth short movie. So nothing spectacular about that, they were shooting a short movie, they had Jasmin as main actor and she had 2 doubles. What's the mystery here? I don't see any. Just normal procedure I'd say
c) using professional 3D cameras --- sure they did, those short movies were all shot in HD and 3D (we all saw MJ wearing the 3D glasses while they were shooting those scenes from Thriller). So it's logical they needed some hi-tech cameras and cameramen on the scene.
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I think that the clone thing may mean Special Effects. Remember Michael's short films Thriller and Ghost. And how he was able to portray the Mayor. Do you guys remember the show The Pretender starring Michael T. Weiss. Where he plays a genius that can become anyone he wants with many different disguises. Now you take that concept and add Michael in the mix with a couple of his friends in the Film Industry and Special Effects and you tell me what would you have.
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Guys, here is the question that I would like to pose to you: Who do you know that Michael can trust entirely with anything and always been there for him and he probably talk to on a daily basis. Now remember these key words Professional Actress and Singer, Appeared in Feature Films, backup singer to Michael. Do you guys know anyone that will fit that profile.
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Guys, here is the question that I would like to pose to you: Who do you know that Michael can trust entirely with anything and always been there for him and he probably talk to on a daily basis. Now remember these key words Professional Actress and Singer, Appeared in Feature Films, backup singer to Michael. Do you guys know anyone that will fit that profile.
Janet Jackson?? back up singer for MJ : check
actress :check
trustworthy to MJ :check
only thing bit off is her age??
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didn't this person say they had worked with kenny? think i will watch againto be sure after i get some sleep.
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didn't this person say they had worked with kenny? think i will watch againto be sure after i get some sleep.
Whitney Houston has worked with Kenny Ortega: Cheetah Girls 2 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits#cast (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1477715/fullcredits#cast)). Whitney Houston - Co-Executive Producer; Kenny Ortega - Director (http://www.whitney-info.com/whitney-the-producer/ (http://www.whitney-info.com/whitney-the-producer/)).
I think she's primarily been with Arista Records, but worth digging to see if she's been with A&M and Warner Bros.
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That's a good idea.
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Hello everyone. I read here but actually have only posted once or twice. I'm a "lurker", not much of a typer:)I'm not totally convinced that this "new" informational video is legit but I wanted to dig a little to see what I could come up with. You know, leave no stone unturned. My findings on the possible so called informer.....
Siedah Garrett:
"Professional actress"
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0308206/#Actress (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0308206/#Actress)
Alyson's Closet
Amen
Wally and the Valentines
The Fact's of Life (There could be more)
" have recorded as a solo artist for Warner Bros Records, A&M Records and other major labels"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett) (Too much to type so I copied and pasted, sorry)
"Don't Look Any Further" (Dennis Edwards featuring Siedah Garrett) (Motown, 1984)
"Curves" (Qwest, 1985) - from the movie Fast Forward
"Do You Want It Right Now" (Qwest, 1985) - from the movie Fast Forward [2]
"I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (Michael Jackson featuring Siedah Garrett) (Epic, 1987)
"Todo Mi Amor Eres Tu" - Spanish Version of "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (Michael Jackson featuring Siedah Garrett) (Epic, 1987)
"Everchanging Times" (Qwest, 1987) - from the movie Baby Boom
"K.I.S.S.I.N.G." (Qwest, 1988)
"Refuse To Be Loose" (Qwest, 1988)
"I Don't Go For That" (Quincy Jones featuring Siedah Garrett) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1989)
"I'm Yours" (Quincy Jones featuring El DeBarge and Siedah Garrett) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1989)
"Listen Up" (Quincy Jones Featuring Al B Sure, El DeBarge, James Ingram, Karyn White, Ray Charles, Siedah Garrett, Tevin Campbell & The Winans) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1989)
"The Places You Find Love" (Quincy Jones featuring Chaka Kahn, Siedah Garrett & Tevin Campbell) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1990)
"Rain Down Love" (Freemasons featuring Siedah Garrett) (Loaded, 2007)
"I Want Your Soul" (Armand Van Helden featuring Siedah Garrett) samples "Do You Want It Right Now" (SPG Records Canada, 2007)
"Funky Bahia" (Sergio Mendes featuring Will.i.am & Siedah Garrett) (Concord Music Group, 2008)
"I have had professional experience with both Michael as well as Kenny Ortega"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_World_Tour (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_World_Tour)
They both worked on the Dangerous Tour
"I have also sung background vocals for many prominent artists"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett)
"Supernatural Love" (Donna Summer, Cats Without Claws) (Warner Bros. / Polygram, 1984)
"There Goes My Baby" (Donna Summer, Cats Without Claws) (Warner Bros. / Polygram, 1984)
"Fine Fine Fella (Got To Have You)" (Patti Austin, Patti Austin LP) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1984)
"The Collector" (Cerrone EP) (II Discotto Productions, 1985)
"Baby Love" (Regina single) (Atlantic Records, 1986)
"Prove Me Right" (Shannon, Love Goes All The Way CD) (Atlantic Records, 1986)
"Love Goes All The Way" (Shannon, Love Goes All The Way CD) (Atlantic Records, 1986)
"The Flat Horizon" (Wang Chung, Mosaic CD) (Geffen Records, 1986)
"This Is This" (Weather Report, This Is This CD) (CBS Records, 1986)
"Face The Face" (Weather Report, This Is This CD) (CBS Records, 1986)
"Jungle Stuff" (Weather Report, This Is This CD) (CBS Records, 1986)
"Papa, Don't Preach" (Madonna, True Blue CD) (Sire / WB, 1986)
"Where's The Party" (Madonna, True Blue CD) (Sire / WB, 1986)
"True Blue" (Madonna, True Blue CD) (Sire / WB, 1986)
"La Isla Bonita" (Madonna, True Blue CD) (Sire / WB, 1986)
"Love Makes The World Go Round" (Madonna, True Blue CD) (Sire / WB, 1986)
"What I Like" (Anthony And The Camp, What I Like 12") (WB / Jellybean, 1986)
"Man In The Mirror" (Michael Jackson, Bad CD) (Epic / MJJ, 1987)
"Each Time You Break My Heart" (Nick Kamen, Nick Kamen CD) (Sire / WB, 1987)
"Betcha" (Jon Anderson, In The City Of Angels CD) (CBS Records, 1988)
"Right Out Of My Head) (Boz Scaggs, Other Roads CD) (CBS Records, 1988)
"Crimes Of Passion" (Boz Scaggs, Other Roads CD) (CBS Records, 1988)
"The Night Of Van Gogh (Boz Scaggs, Other Roads CD) (CBS Records, 1988)
"Kiss Me The Way You Did Last Night" (Carpenters, Lovelines CD) (A&M Records, 1989)
"The Secret Garden" (Quincy Jones featuring Al B. Sure!, El DeBarge, James Ingram and Barry White, Quincy Jones, Back On The Block CD, Qwest/Warner Bros., 1989)
"Higher Than High" (Tony LeMans, Higher Than High 12") (Paisly Park / WB 1989)
"The Best Man" (Glenn Medeiros, Glenn Medeiros CD) (MCA Records, 1990)
"What He Has" (Thelma Houston, Throw You Down CD) (Reprise, 1990)
"Do You Love As Good As You Look" (Jellybean, Spillin' The Beans CD) (Atlantic, 1991)
"Tell Me" (Go West, Indian Summer CD) (Crysalis Records UK, 1982)
"Commitment Of The Heart" (Clive Griffin, Clive Griffin CD) (550 Music / Epic, 1993)
"I Never Even Told You" (Tia Carrere, Dream CD) (Reprise, 1993)
"Love Talk To Me" (Cindy Mizelle, Cindy Mizelle CD) (East West Records, 1994)
"This Too Shall Pass" (Phyllis Hyman, I Refuse To Be Lonely CD) (PIR, 1995)
"Sexy" (Maysa, Maysa CD) (Blue Thumb Records, 1995)
"Jook Joint Intro" (Quincy Jones featuring Barry White, Bono, Brandy, Chaka Khan, Charlie Wilson, Gloria Estefan, James Moody, Patti Austin, Ray Charles, Siedah Garrett & Stevie Wonder) (Qwest / Warner Bros., 1995)
"You Put A Move On My Heart" (Tamia, Tamia CD) (Warner Bros., 1998)
"Sweet Freedom" (Michael McDonald, The Voice Of Michael McDonald) (Rhino Records, 2000)
"I Live For Your Love" (Natalie Cole, Love Songs CD) (Elektra Records, 2001)
"On The Way to Love" (Patti Austin, On The Way To Love CD) (Warner Bros., 2001)
"The Game Of Love" (Santana, Shamen CD) (Arista, 2002)
"Seasons Change" (Anastasia, Anastasia CD) (Epic Records, 2004)
"Time" (Anastasia, Anastasia CD) (Epic Records, 2004)
"Are You Man Enough? / Orange Wig Skit" (RuPaul, Red Hot CD) (RuCo Ltd, 2004)
"Superman" (RuPaul, Red Hot CD) (RuCo Ltd, 2004)
"A Public Affair" (Jessica Simpson, A Public Affair CD) (Epic, 2006)
"The Lover In Me" (Jessica Simpson, A Public Affair CD) (Epic, 2006)
"I will say that Michael and I are very close in age, which will be important later"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siedah_Garrett)
Siedah Garrett born June 24, 1960 (She's 50 y.o. I would say that they are close in age, eh?)
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WOW! This might be Siedah! Actually, she was the first person that came to my mind.
Excellent research, Punky!
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Wow punky!! You should post more often :D
Siedah never even crossed my mind, but now that you mention it, she is around Michael's age, she's worked with Michael, & she's worked with Kenny... I think we have a match? :?
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@punky
This is synchronicity!!! :lol: I was on my way to post the same as you :lol: Just before i logged i researched a bit more about her and was decided to give my opinion ;)
Thanks!
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[youtube:116k1qqm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvWlw8[/youtube:116k1qqm]
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[youtube:5lw4jg1p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvWlw8[/youtube:5lw4jg1p]
love these videos, most i already know, over time since june 25, as he said MJ is resting, MJ done alot over his life, im sure he deserves good rest :D
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Thank you, Punky!!!
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So 25th June 2009 was the 'death' of MJ as a performer and from now on is doing producing/directing, etc.? Interesting how Kenny Ortega said that the death hoax was unnessecary. Also interesting that the final BAM scene in TII was made in 2008? MJ certainly seems to have alot of stuff planned for the future.
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I also think it's interesting that she says "..which will be important later". She also says VERY close in age. If Mike was born in 1960 and not 1958.. like Souza has pointed out many times.. that would make them VERY close in age and that would be "important later" as she says because when the hoax is revealed I have a feeling his real birthday is going to play a big role in things...
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Ah, you two are brilliant....@Gema & @VeryLittleSusie Great minds think alike, maybe?
@liegi You're welcome. That bit of information was just another stone that most would've unturned. I just happened to have a free day to contribute something to the forum, no matter how small ;)
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I also think it's interesting that she says "..which will be important later". She also says VERY close in age. If Mike was born in 1960 and not 1958.. like Souza has pointed out many times.. that would make them VERY close in age and that would be "important later" as she says because when the hoax is revealed I have a feeling his real birthday is going to play a big role in things...
Maybe. And IF that turns out to be fact, then that would be yet another falsity on important docs...like the will and autopsy. Now THAT would certainly be "important later".
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I also think it's interesting that she says "..which will be important later". She also says VERY close in age. If Mike was born in 1960 and not 1958.. like Souza has pointed out many times.. that would make them VERY close in age and that would be "important later" as she says because when the hoax is revealed I have a feeling his real birthday is going to play a big role in things...
Maybe. And IF that turns out to be fact, then that would be yet another falsity on important docs...like the will and autopsy. Now THAT would certainly be "important later".
Exactly!! :)
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Plus she says that the Thriller segment was filmed after June 25th, obviously MJ is in the Thriller part of TII. Interesting she also said that MJ was singing properly in the 'just can't stop loving you' part, to prove he still has the goods!
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Plus she says that the Thriller segment was filmed after June 25th, obviously MJ is in the Thriller part of TII. Interesting she also said that MJ was singing properly in the 'just can't stop loving you' part, to prove he still has the goods!
Yes. Lots of great points that I don't think many of us have thought of since we aren't all familiar with the film making process.
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Plus she says that the Thriller segment was filmed after June 25th, obviously MJ is in the Thriller part of TII. Interesting she also said that MJ was singing properly in the 'just can't stop loving you' part, to prove he still has the goods!
Yes, and I think that goes with the reports that the dancers had extended contracts. And I, for one, never doubted his ability. But I like the fact that he would prove the critics wrong!
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personally, the vibe i get from these vids is this: a hoax-believer who is very comitted to bring their points across and who has created "an insider" to put force to their own beliefs. It was novel in the beginning to believe this video maker had actually found an insider willing to reveal the truth.In the first video the maker was'nt pushing the idea of the hoax, so as not to alarm us . The last video up the "insider" is blatantly saying MJ is fine, its a hoax etc I cannot believe that this is an insider, i think the insider is a figment of this video makers imagination. There is so much in-fighting going on between the better known video makers, they start out cool and there vids are exciting to watch but once we've seen all the "clues" it just gets rehashed and if that does not bring them the attention they crave then they start with the "i was contacted by some one who knows "
it's sad , because they're making a competition out of something very serious and after all this time alot of believers cling to anything thrown at them. So , although i'll grant that the info is very interesting in these insider reveals truth-vids, i don't for one second believe that the info is actually coming from an insider and find the use of the simulated voice thingy a ploy to make it seem more credible.On the other hand i hope i'm proven wrong some day.
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But is a larger point that as this info is revealed - is this hoax just a money-making exercise by all those involved, including MJ? If MJ is no longer able or he just doesn't want to perform on stage any more, he starts off his career behind the camera by creating a huge, controversial hoax to generate billions of dollars for himself and his family?
Perhaps this hoax has nothing to do with hiding from people who want to harm him etc. and is alot simpler ... money?
I don't want to believe this but could it be all about money, I mean everyone keeps saying MJ would never do this to his fans ... but has he, he's doing it to his fans right now, why hide away and pretend to be dead if all he wants to do is change his career from performer to director?
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I agree with the above post..I just wonder if someone from the family may have a hand behind this. Think about it. There's still no proof within these videos and now they are stating that MJ will be behind many things that come out in forms of Internet material, video games, story books etc and also mama K's production movie. This would ensure high audience, taking the fact for granted that MJ fans will watch/buy anything related to him and the hoax. I feel I wanna believe but somethings a lil off. But I'd love to be proven wrong.
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When she stated that she was the same age as Michael the first though that came to me was
Madonna.
Just thinking about when she was on stage telling the world just how much She and Michael were so much alike. Same age/same number of kids in there families and much more.
But then again the voice was changed so could it have been a man ????????
i know i need to go back to bed lol.
I so compelety agree with you and i believe it is modonna
After initially watching the video, I immediately thought Madonna. It's true that she and MJ are close in age, she's worked with Kenny Ortega (he choreographed the Material Girl video), she's done backup vocals with other artists, she's acted in movies, etc. The video doesn't claim that she's an insider, but that she's looked into it (with help) and logically she would know whether it was made as a movie (with her extensive background in the business). This doesn't mean she's in on it - she could be trying to get her "piece" of the hoax, so she can claim she knew all along and offer her evidence so that when the BAM comes, she'll have her time in the media too. She could also be a bit jealous and be trying to "expose" the movie/documentary for what is really is...or who knows, maybe Michael let her know, but I don't think so. It just seems there was always a rivalry there with her and Michael and I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to steal a bit of the spotlight.
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to tell the truth, this insider is boring me. I want to hear something shocking, the information she's providing us, are ok, but i want to hear something amazing! Or maybe im being picky
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Plus she says that the Thriller segment was filmed after June 25th, obviously MJ is in the Thriller part of TII. Interesting she also said that MJ was singing properly in the 'just can't stop loving you' part, to prove he still has the goods!
She also said that he sang that song to the audience for our sake... perhaps the message is "he can't stop loving us"?? :)
I have been thinking that this whole "event" is probably more simplistic than people realize but also planned right down to the last dotted i and crossed t .... Don't forget he is a visionary... he wants to create things that have never been done before and he is just doing that. I believe that he wants to put his "king of pop" image to rest and get on with filming and other interests which he has not been able to do since he did have a contract with SONY. He fulfilled his deal with SONY and now is moving on with other projects, projects that won't keep him away from his children, he won't be on the road touring and spending time away from his three angels. I also think part of this whole thing is to also clear his name. You put yourselves in his shoes, wouldn't you do the same thing? I would. If I was accused of the things that he was accused of in 2003 and earlier and my image was tarnished even if I wasn't a celebrity, I would still want payback to the people and industries that put me through hell as they did with Michael, so I don't blame him one bit.
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I agreed shelly, I don't believe anyone was trying to kill him. I think he just wanted a break and make movies. And if he comes back I don't think he will tour again, maybe I'm wrong, but who knows. And if he plans on touring again, I think that would be his last tour he would do. What I really want from michael is an allbum, a new fresh album, with new songs. I want to hear songs, I've never heard before. If he's making a new album, I hope it will a slashing hit
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I agreed shelly, I don't believe anyone was trying to kill him. I think he just wanted a break and make movies. And if he comes back I don't think he will tour again, maybe I'm wrong, but who knows. And if he plans on touring again, I think that would be his last tour he would do. What I really want from michael is an allbum, a new fresh album, with new songs. I want to hear songs, I've never heard before. If he's making a new album, I hope it will a slashing hit
I would love to hear a new album from him and he certainly does not need to tour to promote it and get sales. I think he will continue to write music, not just albums, but music for different venues and events. I mean really he is over 50 now. I am pretty close to that age (49) and at this time in your life, your mindset is different from what it was a 30 years old or even 40. If he doesn't come back to the public eye, I don't blame him one bit. Of course, really in reality, in never really left us....just not exposing himself to the media as he has in the past. He needs a rest and down time from the public eye and the hateful media.
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I agree but why fake his death and have a fake trial of Conrad Murray? He could easily have gone somewhere and been unseen for all this time, a remote location or different country. A press conference announcing his retirement from the stage to go behind the camera and do different things, I'm sure his fans would have understood? Even Kenny Ortega said this was unneccesary. MJ's fans will love him no matter what he does, but to appear to die and leave them all in shock and mourning seems just plain wrong. The longer this hoax goes on the more people are going to lose interest.
There doesn't appear to be any 'BAM' coming, by that I mean MJ coming back to the stage and delighting his fans by doing what he used to do, he's done with that it seems. If he's coming back as a producer/director/writer, etc. then how can there be a 'BAM'? I hope I'm wrong but I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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i do not see how doing all of this for the sake of taking a different career path is going to help michael or kenny for that matter. would the public forgive and forget that easily?
about the clone thing. i will need my jacket after this but here goes . on one of my veiws of either the movie or one of the you tube videos of this is it i could have sworn for just a second that i saw a duplicate of the guy(vocal coach) standing next to him.
need my meds now :o :(
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I agree but why fake his death and have a fake trial of Conrad Murray? He could easily have gone somewhere and been unseen for all this time, a remote location or different country. A press conference announcing his retirement from the stage to go behind the camera and do different things, I'm sure his fans would have understood? Even Kenny Ortega said this was unneccesary. MJ's fans will love him no matter what he does, but to appear to die and leave them all in shock and mourning seems just plain wrong. The longer this hoax goes on the more people are going to lose interest.
There doesn't appear to be any 'BAM' coming, by that I mean MJ coming back to the stage and delighting his fans by doing what he used to do, he's done with that it seems. If he's coming back as a producer/director/writer, etc. then how can there be a 'BAM'? I hope I'm wrong but I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I think part of this whole event that MJ is creating is something that has never been done before. Filming reality v. illusion and using the media and the fans to take part. We know that Mike did not want to tour anymore and we know that his "Documentary" was indeed a feature film. We know that he wanted to do films all his life, even when he was performing. So Mike is doing what he loves doing.
If you had the whole world staring at you thinking your a child molester and a freak all your life, how would that make you feel? Everywhere you would turn the media would be in your face and making up stories that are not true about you. Mike knew if he did this type of movie and hoax/ARG, some people would believe him and others would not, because he has created such an illusion of what is real and what isn't. All his life the stories in the media weren't true (95% of them anyway). So now he is creating his own story line and some, including the media are eating it up and believing the bs... again, except this time it is been all caught on tape and in real time lol.... and MJ having the last laugh.
The longer this hoax goes on the more people are going to lose interest.
Maybe he wants us to lose interest as far as the hoax goes and just let him live his life. Like I said earlier, perhaps he really never left us. He has been around all this time. We don't see him like we did before. You look at all the directors, for example, James Cameron, Clint Eastwood, etc.. you don't see much of those guys, except when TMZ films them going for dinner or something.
I would love for him to come back and make some kind of statement or something, but perhaps he already is trying to send us messages, and that This is it! ;) JMO
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I saw part 3 of the insider thing on youtube, I don't know what to feel about this person. It's just weird thinking that MJ decided to "die" instead of just retiring from stage performing. Because the way Kenny Ortega thought it was unnecessary the way MJ "died" maybe people thought he was obsessing over this and had to get him help. I think there is something bigger for disappearing than just dying to do things behind the scenes when he could have told the world he would be retiring period but instead making a plan to fake his death.
Because so far this insider person even if it was an old female background singer who did background vocals with MJ in the early 80's and didn't see him since maybe the late 90's doesn't mean the person knew everything about MJ. I just hope this insider person won't do damaging things to MJ's plan for faking his death if he had to go into hiding for serious reasons.
It would be like what would the point of putting his entire family through faking his death and the fans and all the court stuff going on and trying to convict Dr. Murray if he only wants to do things behind the scenes, there has to be a way more serious situation this this so called insider knows.
what do you guys think?
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Lets think about this!
1. I thought this was supposed to be just a home movie of his rehearsals!
2. Instead we have Gilda, Green Screen, 3 different MJ'S,3d, never have I seen one sound check and when I first saw TII I said this was MEANT FOR A MOVIE FROM THE BEGINNING!
3. Even before this video we have ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT HE IS ALIVE!!!
WHAT CAN WE SAY TO THAT!! CAN WE JUST SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG! HOW?
TO HAVE CLOSURE SOMETHING HAS TO MAKE SINCE. IF MIKE WAS MY SON I WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS IF IT TOOK EVERY PENNY I HAD, BUT WHAT ARE MIKES FAMILY & FRIENDS DOING. NOTHING! NOTHING! MAYBE I HOPE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE JUST DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.
4. To be honest in most of those scenes the person playing mike seemed stiff and had no rhythm at all.The person kept pointing there finger in 5 different place in the air and
would be so off beat and moving most of the time faster than the music.
NOT MIKE AT ALL!!!! THAT IS MY OPINION!
5. I feel that was Mikes voice but it sounded unclear and muffled most of the time!
WHAT WE NEED GUYS IS FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL THE BEANS. SOMEONE TO TELL IT ALL
THAT IS IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT MICHAEL!
THIS PERSON COULD BE THE ONE OR IT COULD ALL BE FABRICATION BUT TIME WILL TELL.
We must pray for closure whichever way it goes!
Peace
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I doubt anyone will truly believe anything people say until it comes directly from MJ himself.
The more I hear about all of this the more I think it is companies (Sony, Coke, AEG), maybe even MJ himself (dare I say it), cashing in on loyal fans who will do anything and buy anything relating to MJ. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with Mike's safety or death threats, or disappearing for any sinister reasons. If he wanted a break from life and the media, it could easily have been done without faking his death and putting his loyal fans through that IMO.
MJ has made close to a billion dollars since faking his death - did he do that for the love of his fans?
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I missed a few days... Does this "insider" say that he just wanted a break? :?
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Lets think about this!
1. I thought this was supposed to be just a home movie of his rehearsals!
2. Instead we have Gilda, Green Screen, 3 different MJ'S,3d, never have I seen one sound check and when I first saw TII I said this was MEANT FOR A MOVIE FROM THE BEGINNING!
3. Even before this video we have ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT HE IS ALIVE!!!
WHAT CAN WE SAY TO THAT!! CAN WE JUST SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG! HOW?
TO HAVE CLOSURE SOMETHING HAS TO MAKE SINCE. IF MIKE WAS MY SON I WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS IF IT TOOK EVERY PENNY I HAD, BUT WHAT ARE MIKES FAMILY & FRIENDS DOING. NOTHING! NOTHING! MAYBE I HOPE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE JUST DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.
4. To be honest in most of those scenes the person playing mike seemed stiff and had no rhythm at all.The person kept pointing there finger in 5 different place in the air and
would be so off beat and moving most of the time faster than the music.
NOT MIKE AT ALL!!!! THAT IS MY OPINION!
5. I feel that most of the time that wass not Mikes voice snd it sounded unclear and muffled most of the time!
WHAT WE NEED GUYS IS FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL THE BEANS. SOMEONE TO TELL IT ALL
THAT IS IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT MICHAEL!
THIS PERSON COULD BE THE ONE OR IT COULD ALL BE FABRICATION BUT TIME WILL TELL.
Thank God for this forum and all of this a amazing research & facts that has been put out for everyoneto se. We must pray for justice & closure whichever way it goes!
Peace
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I missed a few days... Does this "insider" say that he just wanted a break? :?
Did I miss that, or are you asking if we know? I don't remember that being said but there was one video that I had to just skim because I was busy.
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I doubt anyone will truly believe anything people say until it comes directly from MJ himself.
The more I hear about all of this the more I think it is companies (Sony, Coke, AEG), maybe even MJ himself (dare I say it), cashing in on loyal fans who will do anything and buy anything relating to MJ. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with Mike's safety or death threats, or disappearing for any sinister reasons. If he wanted a break from life and the media, it could easily have been done without faking his death and putting his loyal fans through that IMO.
MJ has made close to a billion dollars since faking his death - did he do that for the love of his fans?
Honestly I don't think Michael could have just slipped away to do other things. He always had to do things BIG. JMO We have had only a year and a bit to really digest what they did to MJ. He has been dealing with it all his life and then the trial just about killed him, so this is for his own self vindication. Could you imagine not been able to step out of store without cameras going and a zillion fans wishing you well every time you tried to shop? Of course the companies are cashing in and it also keeps the economy going.
I hope that this time the media has got the message -- it is in my opinion a form of bullying the way the media abuses celebrities and their lives.
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I doubt anyone will truly believe anything people say until it comes directly from MJ himself.
The more I hear about all of this the more I think it is companies (Sony, Coke, AEG), maybe even MJ himself (dare I say it), cashing in on loyal fans who will do anything and buy anything relating to MJ. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with Mike's safety or death threats, or disappearing for any sinister reasons. If he wanted a break from life and the media, it could easily have been done without faking his death and putting his loyal fans through that IMO.
MJ has made close to a billion dollars since faking his death - did he do that for the love of his fans?
Honestly I don't think Michael could have just slipped away to do other things. He always had to do things BIG. JMO We have had only a year and a bit to really digest what they did to MJ. He has been dealing with it all his life and then the trial just about killed him, so this is for his own self vindication. Could you imagine not been able to step out of store without cameras going and a zillion fans wishing you well every time you tried to shop? Of course the companies are cashing in and it also keeps the economy going.
I hope that this time the media has got the message -- it is in my opinion a form of bullying the way the media abuses celebrities and their lives.
@ Shelby - It is also my opinion that MJ always had/have to do things BIG and just fading out in the background is unlikely to have been an option. Self Vindication, getting time to enjoy a more "normal" life, media pay-back time are all reasonable reasons for faking his death.
The videos themselves are not bringing any new facts, just packaging known facts differently using an "insider" as its main novelty feature; after watching the 3 part video, I somehow felt that the video was not necessarily showing MJ in a good light.
Whilst Kenny is portrait as a good man with a big heart, MJ comes across as a cold Business Man in full control of the situation, there is absolutely no warmth in the way he is portrait. Whether intended or not, I don't know.
Did anybody else feel this way? (@Robd - your post seems to indicate that you felt the COLD as well!)
With L.O.V.E
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seems like parts 2&3 came pretty close together. wonder how long before next one?
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I disagree--I think these videos contain more technical information and open up a lot of questions. I was impressed by them; however, I am taking a wait-and-see attitude because we have been fooled so many times before.
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Has anyone ever considered as Germaine said 'My brother, the king of pop' is gone' (maybe 'my sister' is not) not unheard of imo...Rebe said some will be surprized when they hear the details...maybe.......
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JMO but I lump these "insider" videos with ones in the past like B or W, Maura, where though the info is good, and seems pretty logical, it is still speculative, not at all in the same catagory as TIAI/TS. It could be a false lead, like many even the family and TMZ have lead us on. It could be that even Kenny Ortega and ones directly working with Michael, don't even know the full end result and reasons for the hoax. I believe the hoax is in levels, that's why it's so hard to understand. Only Michael totally knows, and I believe TS is the closest to him, if not him. It seems logical that MJ won't literally BAM, but just fade out as he works behind the scenes directing future films. But logic doesn't fare well in this hoax of all hoaxes. There's a BAM coming but it may be something nobody has even romotely imagined or can. :mrgreen: :shock: :lol: :D
This is afterall the Michael Jackson we are talking about, Unbreakable, Invincible, Dangerous, Bad, Off the wall, and The Thriller!!!
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Lets think about this!
1. I thought this was supposed to be just a home movie of his rehearsals!
2. Instead we have Gilda, Green Screen, 3 different MJ'S, 3d, never have I seen one sound check and when I first saw TII I said this was MEANT FOR A MOVIE FROM THE BEGINNING!
3. Even before this video we have ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT HE IS ALIVE!!!
WHAT CAN WE SAY TO THAT!! CAN WE JUST SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG! HOW?
TO HAVE CLOSURE SOMETHING HAS TO MAKE SINCE. IF MIKE WAS MY SON I WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS IF IT TOOK EVERY PENNY I HAD, BUT WHAT ARE MIKES FAMILY & FRIENDS DOING. NOTHING! NOTHING! MAYBE I HOPE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE JUST DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.
4. To be honest in most of those scenes the person playing mike seemed stiff and had no rhythm at all.The person kept pointing there finger in 5 different place in the air and
would be so off beat and moving most of the time faster than the music.
NOT MIKE AT ALL!!!! THAT IS MY OPINION!
5. I feel that was Mikes voice but it sounded unclear and muffled most of the time!
WHAT WE NEED GUYS IS FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL THE BEANS. SOMEONE TO TELL IT ALL
THAT IS IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT MICHAEL!
THIS PERSON COULD BE THE ONE OR IT COULD ALL BE FABRICATION BUT TIME WILL TELL.
We must pray for closure whichever way it goes!
Peace
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Lets think about this!
1. I thought this was supposed to be just a home movie of his rehearsals!
2. Instead we have Gilda, Green Screen, 3 different MJ'S, 3d, never have I seen one sound check and when I first saw TII I said this was MEANT FOR A MOVIE FROM THE BEGINNING!
3. Even before this video we have ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT HE IS ALIVE!!!
WHAT CAN WE SAY TO THAT!! CAN WE JUST SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG! HOW?
TO HAVE CLOSURE SOMETHING HAS TO MAKE SINCE. IF MIKE WAS MY SON I WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS IF IT TOOK EVERY PENNY I HAD, BUT WHAT ARE MIKES FAMILY & FRIENDS DOING. NOTHING! NOTHING! MAYBE I HOPE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE JUST DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.
4. To be honest in most of those scenes the person playing mike seemed stiff and had no rhythm at all.The person kept pointing there finger in 5 different place in the air and
would be so off beat and moving most of the time faster than the music.
NOT MIKE AT ALL!!!! THAT IS MY OPINION!
5. I feel that most of the time that it was Mikes voice but it sounded unclear and muffled most of the time!
WHAT WE NEED GUYS IS FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL THE BEANS. SOMEONE TO TELL IT ALL,
THAT IS IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT MICHAEL!
THIS PERSON COULD BE THE ONE OR IT COULD ALL BE FABRICATION BUT TIME WILL TELL.
Thank God for this forum and all of this a amazing research & facts that has been put out for everyone to see. We must pray for justice & closure whichever way it goes!
Peace
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Lets think about this!
1. I thought this was supposed to be just a home movie of his rehearsals!
2. Instead we have Gilda, Green Screen, 3 different MJ'S, 3d, never have I seen one sound check and when I first saw TII I said this was MEANT FOR A MOVIE FROM THE BEGINNING!
3. Even before this video we have ALL OF THIS EVIDENCE THAT HE IS ALIVE!!!
WHAT CAN WE SAY TO THAT!! CAN WE JUST SWEEP IT UNDER A RUG! HOW?
TO HAVE CLOSURE SOMETHING HAS TO MAKE SINCE. IF MIKE WAS MY SON I WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS IF IT TOOK EVERY PENNY I HAD, BUT WHAT ARE MIKES FAMILY & FRIENDS DOING. NOTHING! NOTHING! MAYBE I HOPE SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING AND WE JUST DO NOT KNOW ABOUT IT! BUT RIGHT NOW IT DOES NOT LOOK GOOD AT ALL.
4. To be honest in most of those scenes the person playing mike seemed stiff and had no rhythm at all.The person kept pointing there finger in 5 different place in the air and
would be so off beat and moving most of the time faster than the music.
NOT MIKE AT ALL!!!! THAT IS MY OPINION!
5. I feel that most of the time that it was Mikes voice but it sounded unclear and muffled most of the time!
WHAT WE NEED GUYS IS FOR SOMEONE TO SPILL THE BEANS. SOMEONE TO TELL IT ALL,
THAT IS IF IT IS NOT GOING TO HURT MICHAEL!
THIS PERSON COULD BE THE ONE OR IT COULD ALL BE FABRICATION BUT TIME WILL TELL.
Thank God for this forum and all of this a amazing research & facts that has been put out for everyone to see. We must pray for justice & closure whichever way it goes!
Peace
amen
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Whilst I agree that MJ went through some bad times and he is undoubtedly a genius and visionary, I still don't think a death hoax was needed. Yes MJ liked to do things bigger and better but if it was peace and quiet he wanted ... bigger and better is not the way to go about it is it? Apart from the court cases he hasn't been in the media much for the last 10 years, so I don't really think the media were constantly hounding and abusing him, if he wanted to disappear so badly after the 2005 trial ... why did he wait 4 years to do it?
Yes I do feel that these videos are portraying MJ as cold and calculating, he obviously needed money and wanted to set up his kids for life (who doesn't!), well he has certainly done that hasn't he. Did he think of his fans when doing this ... I don't know, but I think he knew it would really hurt his fans but he knew he had to do it to make himself a marketable commodity again.
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For me personally, the big questions that need answered are ...
1. Will MJ ever return?
2. If he does return, when and what form will it take and will everything be explained, reason why it had to be done?
3. If he does return - what will the public, his fans and the media think of him?
4. Was it all just for money?
For question 3, I think he may never return at all.
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Whilst I agree that MJ went through some bad times and he is undoubtedly a genius and visionary, I still don't think a death hoax was needed. Yes MJ liked to do things bigger and better but if it was peace and quiet he wanted ... bigger and better is not the way to go about it is it? Apart from the court cases he hasn't been in the media much for the last 10 years, so I don't really think the media were constantly hounding and abusing him, if he wanted to disappear so badly after the 2005 trial ... why did he wait 4 years to do it?
I think you have a whole lot of catching up to do robd. This isn't just about the media, disappearing and peace and quiet, there's much much more to this.
Yes I do feel that these videos are portraying MJ as cold and calculating, he obviously needed money and wanted to set up his kids for life (who doesn't!), well he has certainly done that hasn't he. Did he think of his fans when doing this ... I don't know, but I think he knew it would really hurt his fans but he knew he had to do it to make himself a marketable commodity again.
Apparently you take all that's in these videos as The Truth. I don't buy the stories about his enormous debts, and if you'd do a bit of research you'd come to the same conclusion.
I'm getting annoyed by these "what about the fans" stories. Fans decided themselves to become fans, no one ever told them to do so nor force them to become fans. Mike doesn't owe anyone anything, not even his fans. Keep in mind that "the fans" hunted him for decades, just like the media. They created a prison for him as well as the media.
In my opinion he's pulling off this hoax to create a better world for everyone, including his fans. Please think about that.
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That's your opinion and I have stated mine, I just don't believe that MJ can change the entire world's opinion and view of the media by faking his death to try and 'teach them a lesson' or get his own back. I hope I'm wrong. I've been watching this hoax from day one and have no catching up to do, but as time goes on my opinion and thoughts are changing.
I genuinely hope that MJ does re-appear and explain everything to the world, and then the whole world will go 'Ah' and 'wow'! :)
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I've been watching this hoax from day one and have no catching up to do, but as time goes on my opinion and thoughts are changing.
That says more about your lack of faith than Mike's influence on the people.
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That's your opinion and I have stated mine, I just don't believe that MJ can change the entire world's opinion and view of the media by faking his death to try and 'teach them a lesson' or get his own back.
So according to you this is "just" to teach them a lesson..? Just airing my opinion here, but maybe you should start listening to the man himself...
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Ganging up on me now eh! Nothing to do with lack of faith or 'just' anything, I know this hoax has many parts to it, and you guys are only guessing or speculating too, as we all are.
But as more information is revealed it brings to light more questions with regards to motives and reasons. If Mike never comes back then we will all be left with many unaswered questions. I do hope these videos are all false and these people really don't know any more than you or I, likewise I really hope Mike does return one day and tell the world all about it.
It's only natural to become slightly jaded as more and more time passes.
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Ganging up on me now eh! Nothing to do with lack of faith or 'just' anything, I know this hoax has many parts to it, and you guys are only guessing or speculating too, as we all are.
But as more information is revealed it brings to light more questions with regards to motives and reasons. If Mike never comes back then we will all be left with many unaswered questions. I do hope these videos are all false and these people really don't know any more than you or I, likewise I really hope Mike does return one day and tell the world all about it.
It's only natural to become slightly jaded as more and more time passes.
might be a little off subject here but this makes me think of something. i remember the lisa michael interview with diane sawyer and they were referring i think to the history teaser. and he got somewhat excited at something she said and say good they fell into my trap. then she said something about getting peoples attention. and he confirmed that was the intent. but for what ? that is what i never did get out of the whole deal.can anyone help make that clear for me?
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Okay...I was watching part 3 of the Insider Reveals the Truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvW ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvWlw8&feature=related)
I got to the part where she says that Michael will be very involved behind the scenes directing, producing, creating, etc., etc. Then she says "...continuing to mentor Prince in his own film efforts which goes deeper than most are aware of...".
Then I thought about the interview today with Oprah talking to the kids. And Prince says he wants to be a producer. And you could tell he was very serious about what he said. He wasn't just saying that for the day. Nope - I believe just like Michael is working behind the scenes, so maybe is his son. And then you have Paris who is an improvisational artist who wants to be an actress and has her father as a teacher. Throw in a family full of musicians and actors (we were conveniently reminded by one of the cousins today on Oprah) and you have a family movie. Now that is a home movie project!
My question is this - was it really known before today that Prince was so serious about his future producing aspirations? I don't think I heard that from him before. If we didn't know that for sure, what does that say for this person who claims to be an "insider".
Hmmm...Tarja and Anna - I hope this brings a little glimmer of hope to you both. Blessings.
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Okay...I was watching part 3 of the Insider Reveals the Truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvW ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvWlw8&feature=related)
I got to the part where she says that Michael will be very involved behind the scenes directing, producing, creating, etc., etc. Then she says "...continuing to mentor Prince in his own film efforts which goes deeper than most are aware of...".
Then I thought about the interview today with Oprah talking to the kids. And Prince says he wants to be a producer. And you could tell he was very serious about what he said. He wasn't just saying that for the day. Nope - I believe just like Michael is working behind the scenes, so maybe is his son. And then you have Paris who is an improvisational artist who wants to be an actress and has her father as a teacher. Throw in a family full of musicians and actors (we were conveniently reminded by one of the cousins today on Oprah) and you have a family movie. Now that is a home movie project!
My question is this - was it really known before today that Prince was so serious about his future producing aspirations? I don't think I heard that from him before. If we didn't know that for sure, what does that say for this person who claims to be an "insider".
Hmmm...Tarja and Anna - I hope this brings a little glimmer of hope to you both. Blessings.
Good catch voice.
Credibility score on this informant rises.
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Yes, but Katherine had already mentioned way back when the kids were starting school that Paris wanted to get into acting and Prince into movie production. I still think this insider is not proven original.
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Yes, but Katherine had already mentioned way back when the kids were starting school that Paris wanted to get into acting and Prince into movie production. I still think this insider is not proven original.
Exactly, we already knew that.
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Yes, but Katherine had already mentioned way back when the kids were starting school that Paris wanted to get into acting and Prince into movie production. I still think this insider is not proven original.
Exactly, we already knew that.
Maybe - but I still think Prince and Paris are much more involved than it appears. And Katherine saying that they wanted to get into acting and the kids saying their father was working with them are two different things in my mind. Either way - something I'll be watching for sure. Blessings.
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Yes, but Katherine had already mentioned way back when the kids were starting school that Paris wanted to get into acting and Prince into movie production. I still think this insider is not proven original.
Exactly, we already knew that.
Maybe - but I still think Prince and Paris are much more involved than it appears. And Katherine saying that they wanted to get into acting and the kids saying their father was working with them are two different things in my mind. Either way - something I'll be watching for sure. Blessings.
Of course the kids are, but this informer only repeats what can be found on the hoax forums and blogs.
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[youtube:2nnzm0t8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcjJKOIw9M[/youtube:2nnzm0t8]
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Thank you so much for posting. I really like these videos. They are on the right track.
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All of the information could have been figured out by anyone, not just an insider.
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[youtube:16rn4xyi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlcjJKOIw9M[/youtube:16rn4xyi]
All of the information could have been figured out by anyone, not just an insider.
The previous videos already contained information we are aware of.
The symbolism stuff in this video can be located on the net and some of the clothing things have been mentioned before. Others have already made connections to Egypt etc. Though not all clothing was mentioned before or even in this video.
We already know the movie was filmed as a movie and not as footage for Michael's own personal collection. The conversation between Bearden and Michael has been discussed before and was in other hoax videos. We may have missed the significance of the open microphone (or did we?) but that is just something that someone has caught that further supports the whole theory of a movie from the start.
The product placement is already known. We have talked about Coca-Cola numerous times, the connection to Murray, Sunflowers, Dodo,
Coca- Cola Happiness machine, World Cup Soccer, the Pepsi accident etc. The water connection has also been discussed Mo and Souza's blog on the bedroom scene, fluoride etc. They have just added one I hadn't heard before.
As far as anything else in this particular video, it isn't really "shocking" or "eye opening" revelations. By using the reference to "an Insider/Informer", it is just adding credibility to what is being presented but we don't have any idea who this insider is or even if it is an insider at all. The videos are presenting many things we are already aware of but it is a good refresher with a couple things we may have missed but they aren't major things. Overall not really telling us anything really significant that we hadn't figured out ourselves.
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what is the likelihood of people not already interested in the hoax concept of this whole thing viewing these videos? low, high any idea?
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She may or may not be an "insider", but she presents a strong case for why This Is It is a movie. She also included information about Michael Bearden and the set that I have never heard before. The "insider" also is predicting that a lot of other productions are going to stem from This Is It. Maybe it's just me, but I thought I learned more from it than from other videos. In any case, I'd have to watch it again to counter some of the arguments given.
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In the video this insider talks about a "screaming crazy fan" who he/ she thinks is an extra actor. Well, if I am not totally mistaken, that "screaming fan" is the president (or was) of the MJ Spanish fan club.
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I don't know who this "insider" is but none of the informations he provided for me is like a huge revelation. We already know all those things and also analyzed them.
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The publicity for Coca and others are so important? I just realized they are there after watching the movie like 3 times, people who watch just once will barely see it...
Ha, I always thought strange when MJ would go to the microphone to speak! :lol:
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Also, Prince mentions Coca-Cola during the interview with Oprah!
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I'm not a fan of these videos. For one, Michael on the cherry picker is Michael. How many times has Michael said he has like rides and such? It was a very candid and "cute" moment in the movie. Two, anyone who has taken a film course could know all of this, not exactly an insider.
I hope it isn't someone playing with Hoax BeLIEvers.
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I absolutely agree with all of u, The "insider" didn't say anything new or anything that we don't know, all the things she has mentioned have already been thoroughly discussed here, maybe she is geniune maybe not, who knows, i also hope that she is not a troll playing with the beLIEvers, i suppose time will show.
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Nothing, here's what it is to put on a scale TS reliable information and reporting of these "researchers ",... Forums and then go and publish a video on youtube as it was a great thing they are doing :geek:
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Perhaps this insider is really Prince and Paris. :D
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don't know who this person is but never showed anything special.
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Okay...I was watching part 3 of the Insider Reveals the Truth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvW ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqpWAtvWlw8&feature=related)
I got to the part where she says that Michael will be very involved behind the scenes directing, producing, creating, etc., etc. Then she says "...continuing to mentor Prince in his own film efforts which goes deeper than most are aware of...".
Then I thought about the interview today with Oprah talking to the kids. And Prince says he wants to be a producer. And you could tell he was very serious about what he said. He wasn't just saying that for the day. Nope - I believe just like Michael is working behind the scenes, so maybe is his son. And then you have Paris who is an improvisational artist who wants to be an actress and has her father as a teacher. Throw in a family full of musicians and actors (we were conveniently reminded by one of the cousins today on Oprah) and you have a family movie. Now that is a home movie project!
My question is this - was it really known before today that Prince was so serious about his future producing aspirations? I don't think I heard that from him before. If we didn't know that for sure, what does that say for this person who claims to be an "insider".
Hmmm...Tarja and Anna - I hope this brings a little glimmer of hope to you both. Blessings.
I had a feeling he had something to do with le cirque du soleil.. I just hope this person is reliable, but what ever she or he was saying felt legit, she or he knew too much how the business works.
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I'm not a fan of these videos. For one, Michael on the cherry picker is Michael. How many times has Michael said he has like rides and such? It was a very candid and "cute" moment in the movie. Two, anyone who has taken a film course could know all of this, not exactly an insider.
I hope it isn't someone playing with Hoax BeLIEvers.
I agree. Sometimes I get the feeling they are. :roll:
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I also think it's interesting that she says "..which will be important later". She also says VERY close in age. If Mike was born in 1960 and not 1958.. like Souza has pointed out many times.. that would make them VERY close in age and that would be "important later" as she says because when the hoax is revealed I have a feeling his real birthday is going to play a big role in things...
Maybe. And IF that turns out to be fact, then that would be yet another falsity on important docs...like the will and autopsy. Now THAT would certainly be "important later".
O/t topic but what is Michael Jacksons birthday? Someone said something about January 1960?