Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: barbie on September 18, 2010, 10:09:19 PM
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OMG guys this is by fat the best examination of this subject Ive ever read.
http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/35278
I mean the white Michael wasnt even the same height- as shown by comparison pictures of him standing next to the same people as a black man and as the white MJ. This makes me wicked sad!!! We have been DUPED that white guy wasnt MICHAEL AT ALLL!!! WTF where is the real sweet little MJ? He has been dead. Pepsi would have gone out of business if it leaked Mj died. The whole thing is a coverup of EPIC proportions!!!
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ROFL
Hide Michael hide.. stay away from these crazy ppl.
I'm all for new outlooks but this is ridiculous to the max.
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^^ For real. Totally agree...hysterical!
And there's no way Michael died from a scalp burn. That was funny though. Thanks! :lol:
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hmmmm...really...welll...idk what to say, but this is pretty ridiculous
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Did you guys even read it? Dont read just my post go to the article, even if he didnt die from that the white mj isnt the real mj. FACT.
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He didn't die. He hoaxed that accident. Well, in my opinion anyway.
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2 ... with-fire/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/playing-with-fire/)
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2 ... et-burned/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/and-youre-gonna-get-burned/)
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Did you guys even read it? Dont read just my post go to the article, even if he didnt die from that the white mj isnt the real mj. FACT.
Yes, I read it.
No, I still don't believe it.
One person's FACT is another person's FICTION.
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Did you guys even read it? Dont read just my post go to the article, even if he didnt die from that the white mj isnt the real mj. FACT.
I remember reading this article back in 2009 they have actually shortened it. It used to have some more crazy and unbelievable stories about Michael, believe it or not they cleaned it up. I remember crying myself to sleep when I first read it. :cry: :x
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Listen Michael had plastic surgeries, and became white due to Vitiligo. Of course he will change. And also a man still grows until the age of 23-25 yrs old. Did it ever occur to you he may have grown? So he got taller? Or maybe he had shoes with little heals? As for castration, I do not believe he had it done, he has a soft voice from nature.You do not die of second degree burns. I know people who were burned 3 to 4th degree and yes they are disfigured but they are still alive. I strongly believe the white Michael is the real one, but not the one at the O2 arena. Sorry Nope. I know you will bash at me but I honestly don't care and I know I am right. Wish you all my love and blessings.
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No offense, Barbie, but...LMAO. :lol:
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Oh... IMO, they didn't want to kill him... It was a HUGE warning....
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Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
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Oh please......one hoax theory is more than enough..
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Long ago that notion got into my head until I really read all of the Pepsi accident evidence and accounts of the accident. Sure anything is possible but the Michael we see in the History tour and beyond, other than possible in and out swaps with a double or relative once in awhile, is the same cute little J5 days Michael. The eyes don't lie. That beauty is hard to fake and he could be purple, pink or green and still you see Janet in him, the strong family likeness. Our Michael has been there all along.
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Did you guys even read it? Dont read just my post go to the article, even if he didnt die from that the white mj isnt the real mj. FACT.
I read the whole article, now I don't know what to think :s
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_branding
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Like you can even remotely tell..he has so much makeup on.
Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
What's with your avatar pic? You hate Michael or something?
YEAH, I WONDER IT TOO.......??
Yes, I have been wondering about Shef's offensive rotting MJ avatar and the many negative comments made about Michael :?
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Did you guys even read it? Dont read just my post go to the article, even if he didnt die from that the white mj isnt the real mj. FACT.
Yes, I read it.
No, I still don't believe it.
One person's FACT is another person's FICTION.
i read it 2. it made me laugh. has the person who wrote it heard of groing
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Listen Michael had plastic surgeries, and became white due to Vitiligo. Of course he will change. And also a man still grows until the age of 23-25 yrs old. Did it ever occur to you he may have grown? So he got taller? Or maybe he had shoes with little heals? As for castration, I do not believe he had it done, he has a soft voice from nature.You do not die of second degree burns. I know people who were burned 3 to 4th degree and yes they are disfigured but they are still alive. I strongly believe the white Michael is the real one, but not the one at the O2 arena. Sorry Nope. I know you will bash at me but I honestly don't care and I know I am right. Wish you all my love and blessings.
I agree with you.
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Like you can even remotely tell..he has so much makeup on.
Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
What's with your avatar pic? You hate Michael or something?
YEAH, I WONDER IT TOO.......??
Yes, I have been wondering about Shef's offensive rotting MJ avatar and the many negative comments made about Michael :?
I said nothing offensive, you'd have to be lying to yourself and or completely dense if you don't say he had makeup all over him.. he DID. You're comparing pictures of him from 1970s to 2009 when he had to really cover up for his skin issues. How hell the can you tell if he had a mole removal scar when he had foundation all over his face. MJ had a fro and that was his original hair and it was caked in jerry curl. Sorry if you don't like that it's the truth.
As for the avatar it's not making fun of him supposedly being dead. I don't think he is dead.
Seriously you'd think if anything appalled you so much it would be the original topic of this ridiculous thread claiming he died in the 80's and everything 'WHITE' Michael did was a fake.
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Like you can even remotely tell..he has so much makeup on.
Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
What's with your avatar pic? You hate Michael or something?
YEAH, I WONDER IT TOO.......??
Yes, I have been wondering about Shef's offensive rotting MJ avatar and the many negative comments made about Michael :?
I said nothing offensive, you'd have to be lying to yourself and or completely dense if you don't say he had makeup all over him.. he DID. You're comparing pictures of him from 1970s to 2009 when he had to really cover up for his skin issues. How hell the can you tell if he had a mole removal scar when he had foundation all over his face. MJ had a fro and that was his original hair and it was caked in jerry curl. Sorry if you don't like that it's the truth.
As for the avatar it's not making fun of him supposedly being dead. I don't think he is dead.
Seriously you'd think if anything appalled you so much it would be the original topic of this ridiculous thread claiming he died in the 80's and everything 'WHITE' Michael did was a fake.
I am definitely not dense but thanks for the concern. I said that the avatar is offensive and the comments are negative. I never said he wasn't wearing makeup. I am not comparing any pictures. I have not commented on the "removal of any mole". As for Jerry Curl, it was the fashion of the day. Perhaps it is the way that you phrase the comments that make them come across as negative, critical, sarcastic, disrespectful etc.
I am appalled by that thread hence why I haven't commented in it. What is the point if people wish to believe the ridiculous. They are entitled to believe whatever they choose and anything I say, will not sway that belief nor is it my job to convince anyone of anything.
As I am not the only person to question why you chose to use that avatar and have found it offensive, maybe you should consider that it just might be offensive...
Peace
Serenity
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Moles can be removed, particularly if they are pre-cancerous. I am not saying that MJ's mole was, but we all get benign moles, etc. Michael was not any different, he was human like the rest of us and we need to remind ourselves that he has feelings and insecurities like the rest of us. Look at the majority of the women who walk around with make up day in and day out (some even wear it to bed because they don't want them their boyfriend to see what they really look like, particularly at the beginning of a relationship). Michael was about love and the beauty of the inner human being. This I believe was what he was fighting against so much during his public life. Society and the media plays a big role on how someone famous should look and because of Mike's skin problems, he did he didn't have that "Hollywood" look, so hence the make-up. Perhaps if he did not have these skin problems, he would not have to wear the make up so much and would not have to fight public perception. I believe part of this conflict within himself was said through his music. He could relay what he wanted people to hear through his music. Some have heard and others have not. I will continue to fight for restoration of his image. It is mis-information such as the postings on that blog regarding the pepsi accident that will continue to shed Michael in a negative light. It is unbelievable that people would still believe such rumours and continue to start new rumours.
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Moles can be removed, particularly if they are pre-cancerous. I am not saying that MJ's mole was, but we all get benign moles, etc. Michael was not any different, he was human like the rest of us and we need to remind ourselves that he has feelings and insecurities like the rest of us. Look at the majority of the women who walk around with make up day in and day out (some even wear it to bed because they don't want them their boyfriend to see what they really look like, particularly at the beginning of a relationship). Michael was about love and the beauty of the inner human being. This I believe was what he was fighting against so much during his public life. Society and the media plays a big role on how someone famous should look and because of Mike's skin problems, he did he didn't have that "Hollywood" look, so hence the make-up. Perhaps if he did not have these skin problems, he would not have to wear the make up so much and would not have to fight public perception. I believe part of this conflict within himself was said through his music. He could relay what he wanted people to hear through his music. Some have heard and others have not. I will continue to fight for restoration of his image. It is mis-information such as the postings on that blog regarding the pepsi accident that will continue to shed Michael in a negative light. It is unbelievable that people would still believe such rumours and continue to start new rumours.
Mole was surgically removed by "leisure" (which has a sign after) just because his left cheek was also damaged by burns in the crash of the Pepsi commercial in 1983, when he was being treated to help the recovery of facial skin left and also the scalp.
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I think it's impossible for "white" Michael to be just as talented as the black one and this is disrespectful to MJ he's alive he has vitiligo and he's still a black man how can you say it's fact that he died do you have concrete evidence if not it's your opinion which I respect but don't pass it off as a fact
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As I am not the only person to question why you chose to use that avatar and have found it offensive, maybe you should consider that it just might be offensive...
Peace
Serenity
Hehe if you knew who had the original made it might make more sense. It was essentially MJ laughing at people from his faked death, not being laughed at for being dead, which he isn't.
So I updated my avatar for you guys who hated the old one. I'm always happy to help out :P
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Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
I know who you are. And I know what you're doing ;)
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He didn't die. He hoaxed that accident. Well, in my opinion anyway.
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2 ... with-fire/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/05/31/playing-with-fire/)
http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2 ... et-burned/ (http://exploringthehoax.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/and-youre-gonna-get-burned/)
I agree, of course Michael did not die in the Pepsi accident. On the contrary, thanks to his exceptional recovery ability he could leave the hospital one day later and get on with his "show".
I say: Hats off!!
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I just can't understand people saying there are more than one and unique Michael. This is so disrespectfull an insane.
The best clue that MJ is unique is watching the moves, listening him sing, watch his behaviour, his way of being, his particularities in the pronunciation of some
words... Watching all of this, you can see that the little MJ of the Jacksons 5 is the same of our beloved MJ that he's doing the greatest show ever. ;)
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Moles can be removed, particularly if they are pre-cancerous. I am not saying that MJ's mole was, but we all get benign moles, etc. Michael was not any different, he was human like the rest of us and we need to remind ourselves that he has feelings and insecurities like the rest of us. Look at the majority of the women who walk around with make up day in and day out (some even wear it to bed because they don't want them their boyfriend to see what they really look like, particularly at the beginning of a relationship). Michael was about love and the beauty of the inner human being. This I believe was what he was fighting against so much during his public life. Society and the media plays a big role on how someone famous should look and because of Mike's skin problems, he did he didn't have that "Hollywood" look, so hence the make-up. Perhaps if he did not have these skin problems, he would not have to wear the make up so much and would not have to fight public perception. I believe part of this conflict within himself was said through his music. He could relay what he wanted people to hear through his music. Some have heard and others have not. I will continue to fight for restoration of his image. It is mis-information such as the postings on that blog regarding the pepsi accident that will continue to shed Michael in a negative light. It is unbelievable that people would still believe such rumours and continue to start new rumours.
Yes moles can be removed, if you see some of Michael pictures you do see a little scar on his cheek, especially it shows more on his white skin. I do not have a pic now, but search and you will find.
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I have a hard time believing that Michael died in the 80s and was replaced by someone so talented... but the testicle thing (sorry cant remember what it's called lol) actually sounds somewhat plausible. As stated in that article, it would explain a lot of things.
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I have a hard time believing that Michael died in the 80s and was replaced by someone so talented... but the testicle thing (sorry cant remember what it's called lol) actually sounds somewhat plausible. As stated in that article, it would explain a lot of things.
Castration is the amputation or removal of the male testicles. In the early days of choral music, some young boys were castrated before they reached puberty. This was so the voice would never change and always be high pitched, like a child. They were called castrati
Some believe Michael Jackson was castrated when he was a child so that his voice would never get deep. Michael’s natural speaking voice was unnaturally high and very similar to that of known castrati. There’s more evidence that would suggest this is a plausible theory. If you think about it…it would explain a lot….Maybe even everything.
I am sorry but there comes a point at which some theories are just way too outlandish to even consider and this is one of them. I can't believe I am writing this so I will let wikipedia speak for me. :oops:
Castration
A subject of castration who is altered before the onset of puberty will retain a high voice, non-muscular build, and small genitals. He may well be taller than average, as the production of sex hormones in puberty—particularly testosterone—stops long bone growth. The person may not develop pubic hair and will have a small sex drive or none at all. Castrated people are automatically sterile, because the testes (for males) and ovaries (for females) produce sex cells needed for sexual reproduction. Once removed the subject is infertile. Body strength and muscle mass can decrease, body hair decreases. Without Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), typical symptoms include hot flashes; gradual bone-density loss, resulting in osteopenia or osteoporosis; potential weight gain or redistribution of body fat to the hips/chest. Replacement of testosterone in the form of gel, patches, or injections can largely reverse these effects, although breast enlargement has also been reported as a possible side effect of testosterone usage.
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[youtube:tnbddcky]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAYBtgcdLdY[/youtube:tnbddcky]
[youtube:tnbddcky]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFM4mIDuVjs[/youtube:tnbddcky]
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We're supposed to evaluate every possible theory in an objective light; right? Information is a good thing.
However, I don't believe MJ died in the Pepsi accident. We've said time and again on this forum that one of the most compelling reasons for a hoax is that the family has been just a little too composed throughout. Now we're supposed to believe that they were even more so 20+ years ago when their son/brother supposedly "really" died? And then everyone had to keep their story straight all these many years? (How many times has Jermaine stumbled over his words just in the last 15 months?) In one breath, the author claims "the golden calf is dead and [the family] prolonged it with a fake as long as they could...But it's now game-set-match!!!!" In the next, "[Michael] disappeared from public view about 1985 and when we saw him again, he was 'white' and THAT'S when all the weirdness started." According to him, we lived with a (very obvious) fake for over 25 years. What happened in June 2009 to cause the "game-set-match" he refers to? Not surprisingly, he doesn't elaborate.
Also, I can't buy the theory that the public couldn't know because there was too much money (or whatever) at stake. We hear about many artists who die just as they're reaching the peak of their popularity. History tells us that the value of an artist's work often increases exponentially upon their death. Look at what happened in the aftermath of June 25, 2009. If anything, MJ dying in some tragic accident in the wake of Thriller (which was already an unequivocal success) would have no doubt catapulted sales into the stratosphere.
The height comparisons are easily debunked. Let's see the shoes everyone was wearing or where they were standing. Then we can talk. There may be some photos that appear to support this theory, but it only takes one to discredit it.
The castrati thing....well, that's probably one idea where I'm tempted to question my "Information is a good thing" premise. Besides, Serenity has already done the dirty work - and done it exceedingly well- to totally blow that theory out of the water. (I thoroughly enjoyed the warm-up video. Thanks for sharing, Serenity.)
As a whole, I think the article is a great example of how someone develops a theory and then subjectively chooses facts to support it while totally disregarding those that don't. To have an airtight theory, it must stand up to all scrutiny. Almost everything mentioned in this article does not.
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I just can't understand people saying there are more than one and unique Michael. This is so disrespectfull an insane.
Okay Cameron, this is the umpteenth time you write that it's disrespectful to say that there's more than one MJ, but have you ever considered that it might be disrespectful to say there's only one MJ? There are many differences between the different MJs, and these differences can't be caused by one MJ having plastic surgery back and forth month after month.
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Sigh, I get so fed up with ppl saying there cannot be two "Mikes", and its disrespectful , no one can ever dance like him, move like him... Mike would never do this or that.
Hang on a sec, did you know him personally? Have you seen him day after day? Have EVER seen him without make up? Did you speak with him on the phone , daily, weekly , monthly???
How can you possibly say without a doubt you "know" MJ at all???
I can't even begin to say I know he would never do this or that, I DON'T know the man, but I can tell you what my eyes see, like Mo says , you cannot change your looks like that , and that fast even if your MJ....
Some impersonators have come very close...is that being disrespectful? No it's being real.You don't think MJ used any of these doubles?
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And honestly who are we to tell anyone they are wrong about their theory or thoughts...Ask yourself what is the big deal if he did have a double? Would it b/c you feel cheated, or duped? What about MJ? After all he was the one who got mobbed everywhere he went, and some ppl were nuts! I couldn't blame him! So try to think how MJ felt about things before you dismiss other ppl thoughts.
I do have thoughts that MJ was a big boy and could handle what others say, without taking offense to it.
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I feel its disrespectful to dismiss other people's thoughts. I don't know for sure if MJ used doubles in TII or for this hoax, but I can understand it if he did. We all know he used stand-ins to fool crowds of people but we need to know if he used them for the hoax. I can't see how it would be disrespectful to discuss this.
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I have a hard time believing that Michael died in the 80s and was replaced by someone so talented... but the testicle thing (sorry cant remember what it's called lol) actually sounds somewhat plausible. As stated in that article, it would explain a lot of things.
Castration is the amputation or removal of the male testicles. In the early days of choral music, some young boys were castrated before they reached puberty. This was so the voice would never change and always be high pitched, like a child. They were called castrati
Some believe Michael Jackson was castrated when he was a child so that his voice would never get deep. Michael’s natural speaking voice was unnaturally high and very similar to that of known castrati. There’s more evidence that would suggest this is a plausible theory. If you think about it…it would explain a lot….Maybe even everything.
I am sorry but there comes a point at which some theories are just way too outlandish to even consider and this is one of them. I can't believe I am writing this so I will let wikipedia speak for me. :oops:
Castration
A subject of castration who is altered before the onset of puberty will retain a high voice, non-muscular build, and small genitals. He may well be taller than average, as the production of sex hormones in puberty—particularly testosterone—stops long bone growth. The person may not develop pubic hair and will have a small sex drive or none at all. Castrated people are automatically sterile, because the testes (for males) and ovaries (for females) produce sex cells needed for sexual reproduction. Once removed the subject is infertile. Body strength and muscle mass can decrease, body hair decreases. Without Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT), typical symptoms include hot flashes; gradual bone-density loss, resulting in osteopenia or osteoporosis; potential weight gain or redistribution of body fat to the hips/chest. Replacement of testosterone in the form of gel, patches, or injections can largely reverse these effects, although breast enlargement has also been reported as a possible side effect of testosterone usage.
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[youtube:24ybn6hi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAYBtgcdLdY[/youtube:24ybn6hi]
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As always, thank you for your research Serenity. But I still don't think this theory is completely outlandish. Do I believe it? No, net yet, and probably won't. But I see the possibility. Especially because I am a female, and I am a singer, and for the most part, I can sing just as low and almost but not quite as high as MJ. Not tooting my own horn or anything, my point is that I am female and he is male and our ranges are similar. Wikipedia's definition of catrastion doesn't really prove the theory wrong. The procedue doesn't only affect the voice. And we would have no way of knowing if hormone therapy was used or not. Like I said, I'm not saying I believe this and I'm sure it's unlikely. But based on what you presented, I still don't see it being impossible. It really isn't nice of you to try and make people feel dumb for considering all possibilities.
Do I think he would personally choose something like that? No. Do I think someone might make that decision for him? Yes.
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I'd also like to add that many of MJ's brothers have that higher pitched, softer voice. The only thing that sets Mike apart from his brothers as far as aging goes is his physical appearance. But, he basically just stayed the same which is most likely due to his diet and all the exercise he got. However, how many times have we speculated over his sexuality? I don't think it's any of our business, really, and I do NOT think he's gay. But I have often got the vibe from him that sex just wasn't something he thought much about. And the castration thing would explain that, and also explain the way he had children. But of course, as with all things, that is not the only possible explaination. I hope I'm being clear, I don't want to come across as someone who will believe anything. Quite the contrary, I try to believe nothing for fact and consider everything as a possibility and begin a sort of deductive reasoning process from there...
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Apparently, his grandfather had a high voice too - Jackie certainly has.
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It really isn't nice of you to try and make people feel dumb for considering all possibilities
I am not trying to make anyone feel inferior, dumb or anything else. I posted how I felt about the theory; my opinion, that it is completely ridiculous. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am being judgmental nor belittling you at all. I would never intentionally try to harm anyone.
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It really isn't nice of you to try and make people feel dumb for considering all possibilities
I am not trying to make anyone feel inferior, dumb or anything else. I posted how I felt about the theory; my opinion, that it is completely ridiculous. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am being judgmental nor belittling you at all. I would never intentionally try to harm anyone.
Okay. I guess the "embarrassed" face implied to me that you were too embarrassed to even speak of the topic, and to me that's disrespectful to those who feel otherwise, just like the eye-rolling smiley. lol, I realize I'm making assumptions based on animated smiley faces :lol: I'll stop myself right now.
Anyway, I do know how you feel, and disagreeing is fine of course. I guess I've just learned that there's not much here that isn't "outlandish". We are at a death hoax forum, after all, which many believe to be outlandish in itself.
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It really isn't nice of you to try and make people feel dumb for considering all possibilities
I am not trying to make anyone feel inferior, dumb or anything else. I posted how I felt about the theory; my opinion, that it is completely ridiculous. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am being judgmental nor belittling you at all. I would never intentionally try to harm anyone.
Okay. I guess the "embarrassed" face implied to me that you were too embarrassed to even speak of the topic, and to me that's disrespectful to those who feel otherwise, just like the eye-rolling smiley. lol, I realize I'm making assumptions based on animated smiley faces :lol: I'll stop myself right now.
No, the embarrassed smiley was used because the first thing to come to my mind was "Gold Pants" and the size of Michael's umm...package and the wiki page saying that childhood castration results in undeveloped genitals (if you want honesty and you forced me to explain myself). :oops:
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It really isn't nice of you to try and make people feel dumb for considering all possibilities
I am not trying to make anyone feel inferior, dumb or anything else. I posted how I felt about the theory; my opinion, that it is completely ridiculous. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am being judgmental nor belittling you at all. I would never intentionally try to harm anyone.
Okay. I guess the "embarrassed" face implied to me that you were too embarrassed to even speak of the topic, and to me that's disrespectful to those who feel otherwise, just like the eye-rolling smiley. lol, I realize I'm making assumptions based on animated smiley faces :lol: I'll stop myself right now.
No, the embarrassed smiley was used because the first thing to come to my mind was "Gold Pants" and the size of Michael's umm...package and the wiki page saying that childhood castration results in undeveloped genitals (if you want honesty and you forced me to explain myself). :oops:
LOL! Fair enough :)
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Nobody could affirm that he/she knows the real MJ. Nobody but his family and very close friends. And they would never tell us the truth...loyalty or just their own interest. What we know is that , after the Pepsi accident , a lot of very visible changes occured in the MJ's appearance : his lighter and lighter skin, his different behaviour, different height and even different smile , and more others( MJ began to use playback in concerts!!!)...but you already know all these, don't you?
May be that was the moment when Michael decided to live a new life, the beginning of the hoax we are trying to solve now.
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just read through the article...HOW DARE THEY CALL 'WHITE' MICHAEL A MONSTER!!!!!!!! FUCK THEM!!!!!!!! :twisted: :evil:
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Nobody could affirm that he/she knows the real MJ. Nobody but his family and very close friends. And they would never tell us the truth...loyalty or just their own interest. What we know is that , after the Pepsi accident , a lot of very visible changes occured in the MJ's appearance : his lighter and lighter skin, his different behaviour, different height and even different smile , and more others( MJ began to use playback in concerts!!!)...but you already know all these, don't you?
May be that was the moment when Michael decided to live a new life, the beginning of the hoax we are trying to solve now.
It's an interesting thought, particularly your closing statement. It does raise a few questions for me, though. If Michael wanted to live a new life after the Pepsi incident, I'm not sure he couldn't do just that without all the smoke and mirrors. Financially, he was well off and became even more so after buying the Sony/ATV catalog in 1985. He didn't have to tour; plenty of artists choose not to.
I remember the Thriller days and yes, Michael was absolutely the biggest thing out there. But I think much of his mega-superstar status was cemented in the public's mind in the years that followed. I'm not saying he wasn't successful before Thriller - he clearly was. He's always had enormous talent. I just think the 1980's catapulted him to a whole different level and things grew exponentially from there. But I think that if, in 1985 after the Pepsi accident, he decided he was done and wanted to live a new life, he probably could have. I think the general public's desire to see the Thriller superstar in concert would have waned as new music and new pop stars hit the scene. The fans would have always been there; this I know. But many others would have moved on. Many did, anyway, despite the fact that Michael did not leave the spotlight and continued to innovate the world of music, dance, and entertainment.
I hope you don't think I'm attacking your theory. I'm really not. It just got me thinking on some things and one of the thoughts I always seem to have is how difficult it is to imagine Michael Jackson NOT being "Michael Jackson," the mega-superstar. I watch the 1983 Motown 25 special where people in the audience are just sitting there, not clapping...or teenagers dancing on American Bandstand with Michael dancing to Shake Your Body only a few feet away. So I guess that's why I'd question if Michael really would have needed to create this hoax if he wanted to live a new life as early as back then. I tend to think the necessity for the hoax came because he stayed in the spotlight, grew ever more successful, and really became a threat to/target for the evil in this world. But who knows? As you so rightly say, none of us knows the real MJ, so this is all just speculation. I hope one day soon we both learn the truth. Peace.
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PJ4MJ
As a whole, I think the article is a great example of how someone develops a theory and then subjectively chooses facts to support it while totally disregarding those that don't. To have an airtight theory, it must stand up to all scrutiny. Almost everything mentioned in this article does not.
I agree. I will give credit for an very organized well thought out article. But I don't think it can stand up to a more broadened scrutiny. I know the Illuminati/Crowley ideas and practises throughout the world particularly in the entertainment industry are well documented, including MJ in a certain sense. But it doesn't tell the whole story, about his possibly exposing and revealing and opposing them. Very subtle difference. This article is also coming from a totally orthodox Christian perspective, and since reading as I have into all the hidden lies mixed with truth in that world, there is more than one way to interpret things. I have been on a long journey, that has led me to believing we are in a drama/play created by God. There's the expression, "Half of everything we've learned/heard/seen is a lie" or something like that. I believe Michael has an important part to play, as we all have a part.
About his voice, I remember in one interview some kid asked him and said his father said he had done something to make his voice so high, and MJ said he was a normal natural tenor. My sons have a friend who has an extremely high voice for speaking, but can easily for fun use a deep man's voice. Same as for Michael, as in the mayor's voice, he can at will change to the deeper tone. Obviously his voice in a relaxed state goes to the higher tone. I don't think it's that common, but it's not unnatural at all.
The talk about 'automatic writing' could be the same for people inspired by God or the devil, so that whole argument is pointless. I have focused on the lyrics in We are the world, and the stones turned to bread, on one of my threads, since people only want to understand the Scriptures one way in viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&p=216467&hilit=bread#p216467 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&p=216467&hilit=bread#p216467) . It is interesting that this writer calls white MJ a monster, and yet he dismantles his younger lyrics to be demonic as well, so what's the difference. He simply doesn't like MJ and has written him off, and is convinced of what he thinks. Don't confuse him with any other facts that differ. But MJ is not going anywhere and will continue to be loved the world over.
I must admit the height differences in Michael's life so far have been confusing, but I don't rule out natural illusion because of shoe heels, camera angle, and his possible growth after Thriller. They showed a pic of him and Janet, but here's another one tha't slightly different, that shows perception can vary.[attachment=1:1wvry3ra]MJ Janet.jpg[/attachment:1wvry3ra][attachment=0:1wvry3ra]MJ janet2.jpg[/attachment:1wvry3ra]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ov9_qagdh4&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ov9_qagdh4&feature=fvsr) On this clip where I took the top pic from, there is so much love between him and Janet, that I find hard to believe is all acting.
So I would say, that the writer of the article is thinking outside the box of what the entertainment world may want the public to know, but is thinking inside the Christian world-view. This MJDHI site and elsewhere has taught us to think outside the box that this box is inside, if you know what I mean. Worlds within worlds within worlds. This whole MJ hoax is so MUCH more complex that any of us can even imagine. I'm feel like I'm being constantly stretched! :) :? ;)
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Or he had so much jerry curl in his fro it ignited
I know who you are. And I know what you're doing ;)
Would you two care to share?
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PJ4MJ
As a whole, I think the article is a great example of how someone develops a theory and then subjectively chooses facts to support it while totally disregarding those that don't. To have an airtight theory, it must stand up to all scrutiny. Almost everything mentioned in this article does not.
I agree. I will give credit for an very organized well thought out article. But I don't think it can stand up to a more broadened scrutiny. I know the Illuminati/Crowley ideas and practises throughout the world particularly in the entertainment industry are well documented, including MJ in a certain sense. But it doesn't tell the whole story, about his possibly exposing and revealing and opposing them. Very subtle difference. This article is also coming from a totally orthodox Christian perspective, and since reading as I have into all the hidden lies mixed with truth in that world, there is more than one way to interpret things. I have been on a long journey, that has led me to believing we are in a drama/play created by God. There's the expression, "Half of everything we've learned/heard/seen is a lie" or something like that. I believe Michael has an important part to play, as we all have a part.
About his voice, I remember in one interview some kid asked him and said his father said he had done something to make his voice so high, and MJ said he was a normal natural tenor. My sons have a friend who has an extremely high voice for speaking, but can easily for fun use a deep man's voice. Same as for Michael, as in the mayor's voice, he can at will change to the deeper tone. Obviously his voice in a relaxed state goes to the higher tone. I don't think it's that common, but it's not unnatural at all.
The talk about 'automatic writing' could be the same for people inspired by God or the devil, so that whole argument is pointless. I have focused on the lyrics in We are the world, and the stones turned to bread, on one of my threads, since people only want to understand the Scriptures one way in viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&p=216467&hilit=bread#p216467 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12256&p=216467&hilit=bread#p216467) . It is interesting that this writer calls white MJ a monster, and yet he dismantles his younger lyrics to be demonic as well, so what's the difference. He simply doesn't like MJ and has written him off, and is convinced of what he thinks. Don't confuse him with any other facts that differ. But MJ is not going anywhere and will continue to be loved the world over.
I must admit the height differences in Michael's life so far have been confusing, but I don't rule out natural illusion because of shoe heels, camera angle, and his possible growth after Thriller. They showed a pic of him and Janet, but here's another one tha't slightly different, that shows perception can vary.[attachment=1:2ebgxjq3]MJ Janet.jpg[/attachment:2ebgxjq3][attachment=0:2ebgxjq3]MJ janet2.jpg[/attachment:2ebgxjq3]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ov9_qagdh4&feature=fvsr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ov9_qagdh4&feature=fvsr) On this clip where I took the top pic from, there is so much love between him and Janet, that I find hard to believe is all acting.
So I would say, that the writer of the article is thinking outside the box of what the entertainment world may want the public to know, but is thinking inside the Christian world-view. This MJDHI site and elsewhere has taught us to think outside the box that this box is inside, if you know what I mean. Worlds within worlds within worlds. This whole MJ hoax is so MUCH more complex that any of us can even imagine. I'm feel like I'm being constantly stretched! :) :? ;)
just look the first picture..he smile and face are almost the same as Janet.
btw...the walking dead :lol:
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9804/gallery4713.jpg)
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Nobody could affirm that he/she knows the real MJ. Nobody but his family and very close friends. And they would never tell us the truth...loyalty or just their own interest. What we know is that , after the Pepsi accident , a lot of very visible changes occured in the MJ's appearance : his lighter and lighter skin, his different behaviour, different height and even different smile , and more others( MJ began to use playback in concerts!!!)...but you already know all these, don't you?
May be that was the moment when Michael decided to live a new life, the beginning of the hoax we are trying to solve now.
It's an interesting thought, particularly your closing statement. It does raise a few questions for me, though. If Michael wanted to live a new life after the Pepsi incident, I'm not sure he couldn't do just that without all the smoke and mirrors. Financially, he was well off and became even more so after buying the Sony/ATV catalog in 1985. He didn't have to tour; plenty of artists choose not to.
I remember the Thriller days and yes, Michael was absolutely the biggest thing out there. But I think much of his mega-superstar status was cemented in the public's mind in the years that followed. I'm not saying he wasn't successful before Thriller - he clearly was. He's always had enormous talent. I just think the 1980's catapulted him to a whole different level and things grew exponentially from there. But I think that if, in 1985 after the Pepsi accident, he decided he was done and wanted to live a new life, he probably could have. I think the general public's desire to see the Thriller superstar in concert would have waned as new music and new pop stars hit the scene. The fans would have always been there; this I know. But many others would have moved on. Many did, anyway, despite the fact that Michael did not leave the spotlight and continued to innovate the world of music, dance, and entertainment.
I hope you don't think I'm attacking your theory. I'm really not. It just got me thinking on some things and one of the thoughts I always seem to have is how difficult it is to imagine Michael Jackson NOT being "Michael Jackson," the mega-superstar. I watch the 1983 Motown 25 special where people in the audience are just sitting there, not clapping...or teenagers dancing on American Bandstand with Michael dancing to Shake Your Body only a few feet away. So I guess that's why I'd question if Michael really would have needed to create this hoax if he wanted to live a new life as early as back then. I tend to think the necessity for the hoax came because he stayed in the spotlight, grew ever more successful, and really became a threat to/target for the evil in this world. But who knows? As you so rightly say, none of us knows the real MJ, so this is all just speculation. I hope one day soon we both learn the truth. Peace.
It's ok. Thanks for your reaction to my post. Actually that's not my theory; it was just a thought...what if...Anyway, we have to admit that absolutely everything is possible when MJ is the main character of the story. Some time ago I read Mrs. Katherine's book 'The Jacksons -My Family' and she wrote that Michael ( as a child and later as a young man) was very similar to herself: the same inner structure, the same sensibility, the same shyness,the same willingness of having a close family relationship. That's why I do believe that, at a given moment in his career, Michael wanted to become just a husband and father of more children. But money can be a good reason for all kind of subterfuges and I'm sure the Jacksons would do everything for $$$$$, lots of money.
No offend to anyone, it's just a fact and I'm sure you know that is the truth. So..what if ...???
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Apologies if this is a wee bit OT but look on the previous page at the 2 photos of Mike with Janet where he's wearing the white jacket. Did he keep swapping jackets? Were these photos 2 different times? One has a black arm band and one does not? Just curious and interested.
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Apologies if this is a wee bit OT but look on the previous page at the 2 photos of Mike with Janet where he's wearing the white jacket. Did he keep swapping jackets? Were these photos 2 different times? One has a black arm band and one does not? Just curious and interested.
I see what you mean. It looks as though the armband was added or removed, the rest of the outfit is the same.
While studying the photos though, I noticed Mike's hair is parted on different sides in both pics. Weird...
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I've been looking up more stuff about castration (Sorry Serenity lol), just because I feel that what we've found so far doesn't conclude that it didn't happen. Here's an interesting thing I found at Go Ask Alice:
Alice,
When a man is castrated, does he lose all senses of the urge to have sex? Or, is it that he loses all ejaculation, but the urges are still there?
Dear Reader,
Castration usually means removal of the testicles, which is where the male sex hormone, testosterone, is produced. At various times in history and in various cultures, boys have been castrated to serve as religious figures or servants, or to keep their singing voices in the upper register. These castrated boys are often called eunuchs or castrati. When a boy hasn't gone through puberty yet, castration will result in a less muscular frame, underdeveloped genitalia, lack of body hair, and a voice that doesn't change or deepen.
Castration can occur by accident (e.g. war/bomb injuries, torture and punishment, pelvic crushing from auto accidents, severe burns, self-mutilation, etc.), or be the result of surgery, perhaps for a medical condition such as testicular cancer or prostate cancer. Some medicines that treat prostate cancer result in "pharmacologic castration," because they prevent the production of testosterone. Some courts have ordered men who are habitually sexually abusive to undergo injections of medications to stop testosterone production, hoping that this measure will prevent these men from continuing to sexually abuse others.
At first, a man who has been castrated will still have a sexual urge. Over time, however, because he's no longer producing testosterone, he'll lose much of his libido or sexual desire. Medications can readjust the chemicals in his blood and bring back some sexual desire. Studies have also been done that show with increased stimulation, a castrated man can actually get an erection, have sex, and orgasm (although he won't have any sperm in his ejaculate, which would be minimal in volume).
Alice
I looked this up because after thinking about it, I remembered that Lisa Marie pretty much confirmed that her and Michael DID have sexual intercourse. I was thinking, well if that's true then I guess this theory really is outlandish. But, it seems as though a man is able to have sex after being castrated, especially if medication is used which can replace some testosterone. And medication could also help the man keep some of his "manly" features.
I guess I'm just not ready to write this theory off yet. Let's be hypothetical. What if Joe had it done to him before he was old enough to put up a fight. I say Joe, because my gut tells me that he always made the decisions and would be the only one capable of a decision like this one. In Joe's mind, the procedure would not only ensure his life long meal ticket (keeping Michael's voice young and distinct), but would also ensure that Michael wasn't going to get distracted by girls, taking his focus away from work (which is how the money is made) or even get a girl pregnant (less focus, less money).
This would surely make Mike angry. But instead of getting angry, he uses his voice, takes advantage of being able to hit the high notes. And tries to prove his manlyness and sexuality in some of his songs and videos.
This could explain his frustration with women, and why no relationship lasted long. Even if he could have sex, revealing that information to a woman would be very difficult and would presumably make a man feel inferior. Many women would feel very disappointed finding out that they would never be able to have children with the man they love. Wasn't it said that Michael wanted children but Lisa Marie didn't? Is that the whole story? Am I getting it backwards? What if Michael wanted to adopt children or let Lisa be artificially inseminated,or naturally by someone else, who knows (which he later went on to do.) But Lisa didn't like any of those ideas, she only wanted to have children on her own the old fashioned way with her partner (which she went on to do).
So then Michael moved on to Debbie, who understood his condition and situation, knew how badly he wanted children, and agreed to give birth to them for him.
I do remember the sperm story, about Michael going all around the world donating sperm to spred his genetics... the story has always sounded bogus to me. If true, then of course that would be something that would prove this theory wrong. However, I don't buy it unless someone can prove it. It sounds like something someone would say about him just for the press, or something he would say about himself just to see what people will believe.
Also, remember Liza's comment about the autopsy, "All hell is going to break looose."
Well, if the fans found out that he'd been castrated, wouldn't some of them feel disappointed or cheated in some way that their idol's talents weren't completely God-given? I wouldn't care, for the record. But a big stink would be made about it by some, I'm sure.
This could of course be complete nonsense. I just find it helpful to think it all out before deciding. Michael could very well just have been blessed with a higher pitched voice, in fact I'm sure it would be on the higher/softer side whether the procedure was done or not. He also could have just genuinely been shy with women. Again, I think that would be a fact either way, but obviously more pronounced if the procedure was done. Michael could have naturally incorporated sexuality into his music and live performance, but it could also have to do with his inability or fear of his sexuality in real life.
"I'm not like other guys. I mean, I'm different."
"The kid is not my son".
I have nooo idea if this holds any validity. I'm seriously just thinking out loud and I certainly hope it's BS. If you have anything to add, please do! If you can prove it wrong, please do. I really want to believe that this is an impossible theory. At first thought it does sound crazy for sure...Maybe I've lost a few more marbles :lol:
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well you only need to see his golden pants to see he is good given there...no i do no believe he was castrated, Joe was very bad with him? yes, he was capable to do this mayor damage to his son? no.
And i do no believe Michael died in 80's, i believe he always had a very good double helping him, a unknow one, maybe the one who died jun 25 2009.
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I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:2z9gt9zd]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:2z9gt9zd]
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MJonmind:
Thank you for solving that about the armband and the jackets. I notice a lot of Michael's images through the years have been reversed like that and it could be it happens with all stars and I just pay more attention to Michael but it can make a person feel sort of :?
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Apologies if this is a wee bit OT but look on the previous page at the 2 photos of Mike with Janet where he's wearing the white jacket. Did he keep swapping jackets? Were these photos 2 different times? One has a black arm band and one does not? Just curious and interested.
I see what you mean. It looks as though the armband was added or removed, the rest of the outfit is the same.
While studying the photos though, I noticed Mike's hair is parted on different sides in both pics. Weird...
Plus Janet's red pin is placed on the opposite side of her blazer! Odd, odd, odd.
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Apologies if this is a wee bit OT but look on the previous page at the 2 photos of Mike with Janet where he's wearing the white jacket. Did he keep swapping jackets? Were these photos 2 different times? One has a black arm band and one does not? Just curious and interested.
I see what you mean. It looks as though the armband was added or removed, the rest of the outfit is the same.
While studying the photos though, I noticed Mike's hair is parted on different sides in both pics. Weird...
Plus Janet's red pin is placed on the opposite side of her blazer! Odd, odd, odd.
One of the pics had the negative flipped. Assuming the bottom since the top pic is a still from a video.
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I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:1z65i26m]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:1z65i26m]
Uhhh...I wanna lie on that hot body...
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Oh please... I mean look at his teeth or his voice.. This is the same Michael. Real Michael Joe Jackson in still alive. 8-) 8-)
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I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:30gj3hld]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:30gj3hld]
Uhhh...I wanna lie on that hot body...
Can we not make these type of comments please? It's fairly inappropriate.
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I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:1ldmvcu2]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:1ldmvcu2]
Uhhh...I wanna lie on that hot body...
Can we not make these type of comments please? It's fairly inappropriate.
Why? :roll:
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I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:36nwquns]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:36nwquns]
Uhhh...I wanna lie on that hot body...
Can we not make these type of comments please? It's fairly inappropriate.
Why? :roll:
Because it's disrespectful.
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@AgentBJ
Keep these thoughts please with you!!! I find it disrespectful!!!!! :roll:
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Of course you realise that saying Michael died during pepsi accident means that
he never wrote any of the songs that has been released after that...
he never did any humanitarian stuff until that
he has never been accused of molestation
he never had kids
he never had to endure a trial
Supporting this crazy story just mean, you are supporting WIND, and fighting for someone that NEVER existed.
Do you realise what you're saying about Michael ?
Coudl it be possible that "searching the truth" would not be "forgeting about a human being rights to respect". Michael had a life, a family, a job, a passion...if you are convinced by this story, so you must be forgetting about all that happened after, and say Michael never suffered, never has been hurted, just because he never existed...
How far will that go ??? Please don't forget we are talking about A MAN, not a symbol, or an alien, or a fiction character from any movie, but A MAN :|
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OMG guys this is by fat the best examination of this subject Ive ever read.
http://theconspiracyzone.podcastpeople.com/posts/35278
I mean the white Michael wasnt even the same height- as shown by comparison pictures of him standing next to the same people as a black man and as the white MJ. This makes me wicked sad!!! We have been DUPED that white guy wasnt MICHAEL AT ALLL!!! WTF where is the real sweet little MJ? He has been dead. Pepsi would have gone out of business if it leaked Mj died. The whole thing is a coverup of EPIC proportions!!!
:shock: My God, what happens to many of us, when we go looking for or when we pay attention to those things that come to us? Are we sick because yes, we need a minimum of discernment and good sense? :roll: :roll:
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Okay, okay...I let it. Sorry Mike... :?
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To be honest, I personally think that the White MJ is the real MJ, however, I can NEVER be 100 % sure. The person who wrote this article had a few good points, except for the hight. MJ could have been on shoes with heels, and yes, he could have grown.
While I still believe that the White MJ is the real MJ, the only thing that gets me is that if you listen to the Off The Wall and the Thriller album, then go listen to the Dangerous and HIStory album, you can tell that Michael's singing voice is different. I'm a singer myself, and I've read book after book after book on vocal chords, techniques and breathing properly, etc. and I even asked my vocal coach if, in any way, as a man, can your voice become higher pitched when you sing? (I'm not talking about in general, I'm talking when you sing the exact same note in the same key) And he said no. My vocal coach is a professional Opera singer who sung Pop as well and he honestly knows EVERYTHING about the voice.
Please, someone tell me... Why is Michael's singing voice HIGHER pitched in the Dangerous and HIStory Album than the one in Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad?
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about the jacket he has on..
one picture"the video clip" it has the detail of the loops "like the ushers had on..and the other picture they are straight lines...
hmmm..hope some one else will look and understand what i am saying and seeing ;)
huggs n faith n love
suzz
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WOW WOW I really found that article or blog amazing.. Not sure how much I believe but nevertheless some points raised make sense.. Maybe Michael died in 1985 of complications from surgery rather than from the injuries themselves. who knows..
The "white" Michael is definitely un Michael like .. and if you go back it was like Michael changed very quickly..like within a couple of years.. he became a completely different person..
As for Castration wow I don't know.. Has anyone ever heard his real voice? Apart from David Guest and Liza saying it who could only be saying it to stop all the speculation..?
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I never thought that one person could stir up so much controversy in my life. Dead or alive. I never heard that one person could die in so many ways either. So many theories and more theories. The illuminati got him, he committed suicide, Dr. Conrad Murray killed him, he died during the pepsi commercial, he was found dead on Neverland years ago, He has a twin, Michael is black and then there's a white Michael. AEG was responsible for his death, Michael was castrated when he was younger, His three children are his biological children, no they are not his biological children. They were concieved by natural means, no they were concieved by artifical insemination, Michael gave them his sperm, no he had friends donating their sperm or no Debbie isnt even their biological mother. Who is blanket's mother. The children are white, no they're biracial. Lord how does one keep up with all this for just one person. I am so confused right now I have to keep the aspirin bottle right near me. This has been the most mind boggling thing in the history of my life. You just dont know what to believe anymore. Well I will give my five cents on it. I know definitely something is not right with this whole death thing. I know that Michael has changed over the years and something did happen earlier on in his life to make him change from an outgoing person to being withdrawn and a recluse, but then it seems as if he started to change again a little more outgoing. His facial features did change but you can still see that that is Michael, like someone said the eyes dont lie and they are the same eyes. I dont believe those children are his biological children. I know definitely that Michael seem somewhat afraid of getting in a serious relationship with a woman something is causing him to keep his distance with getting close or intimate with a woman I dont know exactly what it is but something happened. Michael has been scarred in which way I dont know but he has and badly too. I know for sure that Michael is indeed well endowed, and it aint small either, so I dont know about the castration thing. I dont believe Michael is dead but I also dont believe Michael is coming back in the public eye again. I think his family knows the danger that Michael is in and knows what the consequences is if he does and that is why they are going through the motions of his "death". I do believe Michael's life was and still is in danger, by whom I dont know but it seems like a higher power, someone he knew was capable of doing bad things. I dont think he would've done something so drastic if it was'nt life threatening either his own or even both his and his family. All I can say is that if he is alive I pray that he is safe and that he stays that way and thats my five cents on this whole thing,
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just read through the article...HOW DARE THEY CALL 'WHITE' MICHAEL A MONSTER!!!!!!!! FUCK THEM!!!!!!!! :twisted: :evil:
i second that! :evil: :evil: :evil:
I understand your honesty in wanting to prove every theory right or wrong. But after all we've "examined" not leaving out GP threads, I believe he's alive, he's all there, he's the father of at least 3 kids, he may have doubles to stand in for whatever purposes, I don't believe the fire incident was as serious as made out to be (considering videos doing the same thing without harm) and may have been for show purposes, he has a naturally high voice which can go deep at his will, he has a slender but ripped frame as lots of guys do.
About the pics of MJ and Janet, one pic is reversed because even Janet's insignia on her jacket is reversed. So that solves that.
This is NOT a feminine or emasculated body.[attachment=0:1wedgnej]wow%5B1%5D[1].jpg[/attachment:1wedgnej]
That picture is photoshopped.
This is the original:
http://i53.tinypic.com/30k5cvq.jpg (http://i53.tinypic.com/30k5cvq.jpg)
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Oh and I forgot one more thing I dont believe Michael is gay either I think he loves women and yearns for love and intimacy and to be a good husband, to have a beautiful woman (inside and out) in his life who loves him more than anything in the world. Who is going to be there with him and for him no matter what, I truly believe that with all my heart.
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To be honest, I personally think that the White MJ is the real MJ, however, I can NEVER be 100 % sure. The person who wrote this article had a few good points, except for the hight. MJ could have been on shoes with heels, and yes, he could have grown.
While I still believe that the White MJ is the real MJ, the only thing that gets me is that if you listen to the Off The Wall and the Thriller album, then go listen to the Dangerous and HIStory album, you can tell that Michael's singing voice is different. I'm a singer myself, and I've read book after book after book on vocal chords, techniques and breathing properly, etc. and I even asked my vocal coach if, in any way, as a man, can your voice become higher pitched when you sing? (I'm not talking about in general, I'm talking when you sing the exact same note in the same key) And he said no. My vocal coach is a professional Opera singer who sung Pop as well and he honestly knows EVERYTHING about the voice.
Please, someone tell me... Why is Michael's singing voice HIGHER pitched in the Dangerous and HIStory Album than the one in Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad?
Probably because a few other knobs were twiddled during the recording process. They can make your voice sound how they want in a recording studio.
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Sorry to be so blunt but this is absurd.
Michael Jackson did not die in the 80's,he made countless records,albums,contributions to the human race and had three..maybe four children since that happened.He wrote a book and spoke about it and how it effected him.
You can find people who can dance LIKE him,who sound LIKE him,who even look LIKE him but you won't find anyone who is him.Ever.
The man,beyond the dancing and singing was a genius,in another stratosphere to the rest of the human race and could never ,will never be immitated from now until eternity.
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I agree with you Sinderella. I am very sad he was not appreciated by everyone.
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just read through the article...HOW DARE THEY CALL 'WHITE' MICHAEL A MONSTER!!!!!!!! FUCK THEM!!!!!!!! :twisted: :evil:
i second that! :evil: :evil: :evil:
Third! :x
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I agree with you Sinderella. I am very sad he was not appreciated by everyone.
No he was/is not.
The lookalikes that are floating around the world,are just that.Lookalikes.They IMMITATE Michael Jackson.The songs are already written,the moves already perfected...they just have to copy.
Anyone can be a copy...takes a lot more to be an original.
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I wish there was some way his legacy could be preserved and that he wouldn't be considered strange any more. That must have hurt him so much. People probably said really mean things to him and his celebrity "friends" snubbed him I bet.
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This "theory" has been circulating for a while now, even before June 25, 2009. It was discussed in MJKit. Supposedly Michael died in the Pepsi accident and was replaced by a white look-a-like named Frank Jespin. Cant find much info about this person. I personally believe its just satire.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frank-Jes ... 5776225161 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Frank-Jespin-was-Michael-Jackson-Memorial-Page/137915776225161)
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THE REAL MICHAEL DIED IN THE PEPSI ACCIDENT!!!!
Yeah right... :|
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When i see how "fans" themselves can spread such stories...i no longer ask myself how tabloids sold so well during all those years :cry:
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The real Michael died in the pepsi accident? Haha I'm sorry, no disrespect to anyone, but that is so ridiculous. Tabloid stories will literally say ANYTHING. There's always someone out there who will believe it. Michael has said it before more than once, if they said he was an alien from outer space some people would still believe it. sheesh. :roll:
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When i see how "fans" themselves can spread such stories...i no longer ask myself how tabloids sold so well during all those years :cry:
I JUST SAID THE SAME THING!!!
People are doing to him what the tabloids did to him his whole life...speculate.
The poor man has to justify his existence constantly.
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When i see how "fans" themselves can spread such stories...i no longer ask myself how tabloids sold so well during all those years :cry:
I JUST SAID THE SAME THING!!!
People are doing to him what the tabloids did to him his whole life...speculate.
The poor man has to justify his existence constantly.
AMIN !i can't say more than you already and so well said..really stupid ..
We all know that they distroyed Michael's life,and our role is to restore the truth and justice.
Don't let them destroyed "the second part of his life" :evil:
...Especially when the direct fans of Michael believe these papers..it helps their lies :(
"It's a complete lie, why do people buy these papers? It's not the truth I'm here to say. You know, don't judge a person, do not pass judgement, unless you have talked to them one on one. I don't care what the story is, do not judge them because it is a lie. "
Michael Jackson
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Who's "white" Michael every picture I see of Michael I see a black man staring back at me like he said in that press conference I know my race I look in the mirror everyday
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Who's "white" Michael every picture I see of Michael I see a black man staring back at me like he said in that press conference I know my race I look in the mirror everyday
Amen! :)
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lol...don't know if this was already mentioned (haven't read through all the replies) but it is soooo funny how on 1 of the pics they refer to Mikey as the "real" or "black" Michael, but it's a pic from Bad era...lmao...according to this "real" Mike shoulda been dead like 5 years earlier :D :D :D buncha dumbasses if U ask me :D :D :D
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I am trying to find out who is this "white" Michael because all of the photos I have seen of Michael Jackson from he was a little boy has been the same person as of today. So please someone show me who or what does this white Michael look like. Michael is Michael and nothing will ever change that he is the same beautiful, sexy, loving, kind human being and A MAN, even more Man than I can say for some of those so called MEN out there today. He is very much alive and has all his tools well intact. As I could not avoid seeing in many of the DVDS of his concerts in those sexy pants he wears. So trust me he is alive and functioning
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Some people are just sick and you claim to be fans wtf dude has a disease and you think they just did a switch this isn't a video game this is real life I can't believe what I'm reading wow I'm honestly shocked like someone said before in this thread no wonder those tabloids and rumors are believed its because of certain fans
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When i see how "fans" themselves can spread such stories...i no longer ask myself how tabloids sold so well during all those years :cry:
I JUST SAID THE SAME THING!!!
People are doing to him what the tabloids did to him his whole life...speculate.
The poor man has to justify his existence constantly.
AMIN !i can't say more than you already and so well said..
We all know that they distroyed Michael's life,and our role is to restore the truth and justice.
Don't let them destroyed "the second part of his life" :evil:
...Especially when the direct fans of Michael believe these papers..it helps their lies :(
Didn't see this reply sorry!
This thread needs to just stop.It is making the ACTUAL evidence on this website seem less trustworthy and have less credit than it deserves.
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When i see how "fans" themselves can spread such stories...i no longer ask myself how tabloids sold so well during all those years :cry:
I JUST SAID THE SAME THING!!!
People are doing to him what the tabloids did to him his whole life...speculate.
The poor man has to justify his existence constantly.
AMIN !i can't say more than you already and so well said..
We all know that they distroyed Michael's life,and our role is to restore the truth and justice.
Don't let them destroyed "the second part of his life" :evil:
...Especially when the direct fans of Michael believe these papers..it helps their lies :(
Didn't see this reply sorry!
This thread needs to just stop.It is making the ACTUAL evidence on this website seem less trustworthy and have less credit than it deserves.
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I see tabloid junkies :x :x
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THE REAL MICHAEL DIED IN THE PEPSI ACCIDENT!!!!
Yeah right... :|
How did I miss this thread :? Amazing :?
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I see no reason to speak badly of the OP. Thinking outside the box, or counter to the masses should be a trait that's admired not scorned. I don't agree with the theory of the "real" Michael Jackson replaced with a white version at all, makes no sense. If you wanted to pull a fast one and replace the world's most famous human being with a double you'd replicate the original, not substitute someone of a different race (???).
But. No reason to disparage the OP for thinking that, I simply disagree.
I'm actually always impressed when someone comes up with a theory like this (180 from the accepted reality) and is able to back it up. It shows creative thinking and someone who isn't afraid to be independent from the crowd. Conformity isn't always desirable and slows progress in our species. It's the crazy, off the wall thinkers who drive change.