Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => The Conrad Murray Investigation & Court Case => After June 25, 2009 => Court Case & Hearings; Discussion and Articles => Topic started by: BabyShine on April 06, 2010, 03:52:26 AM
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Hi everyone
I thought it was important to share here where we all stand with the hoax theorie...especially since yesterday, and this weird trial.
I really have the feeling that there are less and less beLIEvers, and yesterday the trial probably took some more. I dont know what YOU think, but i was a strong beLIEver and I am slowly starting to doubt. Why? Because it seems to me more and more plausible that Michael was murdered by high authorities, which would be the reason why Murray is protected and won't be charged in the end. Of course, there are still so many things that I can't explain myself and it let me with the feeling thats it's a big joke and a hoax from the start...But hoax or not hoax, I think it's not funny anymore, it's getting ridiculous and annoying for a lot of beLIEvers I think.
I used to find the game of clues exciting, but now that I am thinking of another possibility (Michael being murdered probably because he was so popular and trying to make us "aware" and pro-peace when the government/medias want to keep us asleep to keep the power) I dont anymore. I mean how can I still have fun about the hoax, knowing there might be a change that we're dealing wth the greatest injustice ever???? I dont wanna be paranoid, but what if WE, beLIEvers, were manipulated by the medias playing wth us (like TMZ), making us believe it's a hoax to keep us calm? I dont know anymore, I m lost, but if it's a game Michael shouldnt wait no more and come back before the summer because this is going way too far.
And about yesterday i was totally shocked of all the medias there, i knew if this would be filmed lived by all those channels it would definetely mean that MJ is dead, but then they changed the floor and we all lost the LIVE STREAMS. But again, maybe this is just manipulation, still, this time all the medias were inside even though they havent filmed, so what do u all think about the all thing? Do you still believe very strong that this is a HOAX. Im so lost right now.
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Hahahaha, circus! Just look at my tweets, if I have time I will see if I can make a complete post about it.
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well, i could not believe that Janet was there, not in black i think, and someone grabbing her waist/butt as she entered court i think!!!!!!
but i heard/read that ma jackson was crying in court, i think he is dead and my heart is fulled with saddness.
i hoped i hoped
i cant explain the wriggle on the helicopter, maybe that was a decoy so that mikes body could be transported without drama somewhere else.
Franks comments post death that he had spoken to him the night before and that mike still wanted to the the tour - whats the explanation for that - if it was a pre-death conversation - thats odd because was doing the concerts so it could only be a post death conversation eh?!
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Hey Souza...I read you tweets which led me to read about the TS posts on this forum and the numbers theories. Iam sorry but I dont understand much ( have some difficulties wth numbers though :roll: ). I know MJ liked that numerology thing, still, most of the times when fans try to analyse dates and times, I feel like they know they have to come down to number 7 for example ( coz we all know it has a link wth Mike) and so they add, divid, multiplicate or do anything in order to get to number 7. It doesnt mean much. Also, those fans trying to give a meaning to the hoax through numbers keep giving a wrong "bam'sday date". On those comments, isnt it written that according to the number theories Mike was supposed to be back last January? And what about 9/9/2009? I dont remember what happened then. Was it the burrial? Do you have any idea when Michael's come-back could be planned??
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I must sadly say...i had enough....
That don't mean that i think Michael is dead, but that what is going on is in my eyes waste of time.
At the beginning....i was not a fan, but i noticed very fast that there is so much weird about the " death " and TMZ ...that i spent so much time to see videos on youtube and found so much that i write in a german forum....we are very activ,but the treat was closen many times....so i come here, with less english...
I learned so much....the rassism that is always a topic, i learnd about the Nation of Islam, about Sony and AEG...i tried to find a common thread where all of this come together to grow up, to find more and more ppl to follow, but it is all a confusion...i don't find the obvious target.
I had suched after a step by step development...but i can't find.
What is this all about ?
Michael said : we have 4 years....for what ? One year is nearly gone by...please don't speak in riddles...what can we do ?
I know that there will come something....they don't film the Funeral so great and we don't even saw something...also the Dome Project...and much more, but we are have our family's, our friends and work and i can say about me, i have thought too much about this hoax the last months....i have neglect too much around me...i must go back in my life...
Yesterday i rearly thought something comes out that gives me the power to go on, but nothing....
It's become ridiculous....sadly...
I wish i could be a part of it....
14.Juni....or July.....or 2012.....this could go on without end and without explanation.
I rearly wanted to know why the heliflight that we are seen wasn't from the UCLA to the coroner, he flies from the UCS Hospital, near the Coroner...only a little round....why are the Men from the coroner van wipe there fingerprints from the coroner van ?
Very weird are i where ask in July last year if i sell this informations....that was the moment i be scared and i know that there was something going on thats not harmless.
I never sell any informations...we all know that we gave up all we write down on a forum, the copyright, to the owner of the forum.
I will never have contact to any media....what a see the last months is so shocking....when i remember that a once thought that the job as a journalist was something that i want to do....brrrrrrrrr....never....
But i adore Aphrodite Jones, when i understand her right....my english....
So, i have written enough...thank you for reading !
I wish you all a wonderfull sunny spring day !
Best wishes from Angela
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Yes Angela, i have exactly the same feeling and yesterday i somehow felt i was not the only one. It's enough now, really. Im also thinking of not following this anymore, I don't know wether it's a hoax or not but it's a waste of time because nothing comes up clearly. If MJ is playing, it's not funny anymore. And it dioesnt have anything to do wth not supporting him anymore, i still do, hope, and pray, but this is just going too far and im starting to feel stupid spending hours and hours online looking for clues. Almost a year now. Stop.
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One last post.
Please don't believe that Michael was dead at the 25.06.2009.
All what was going on at that day was planed ! If it was like we where told...heard attack and so on...it would be a suddenly emergency situation and the family would be shocked and not able to plan all the thinks.
The paramedic's at the house...weird...not a real situation.
The speak to the press.
No comment from the UCLA.
The weird heliflight....
And so much more.
If Michael was snatched of his life at this day, it was a real shock for the family, they would not be all near the UCLA and not so composed....Joe and the brothers are laughing....not crying is not unusual...that comes often later after such a shock ( i now, i had lost 2 family members on this way and i looked so compesed outside....after closen doors i break down).
These was all very long planed...think TMZ !
Not one word about his death in the TII Movie....not one !
Kenny Ortega don't say in a interview " The film starts at the O2 and ends....ehem.....sadly with Michael death."
No way, he says it ends at the rehersals.
If ever someone make a speach...they don't use the word dead ...they say he is not here, and so on.
There is no usual thing in all of this, so don't think he is dead.
It's not easy for Katherine and also Joe....there are not young but so strong ! It's much stress for them to take this situation and i thought that Michael would not have done this if he could have prevented it.
Who makes such stress to his old parents and young kids when it's not absolutly nessesary?
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I am confused! Yesterday I felt bad and today I don´t feel better. I don´t think that he is dead but I don´t think that they would do all these circumstances so that he fakes his death. No way. So, what I´m telling you is: I believe 50/50
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Today is one of my bad days. I so hard want to believe....and I do, but I don"t know.
As it seems there are only two posibilities left.....Michael is alive or the law-people are doing everything they can to cover everything up and there will be no justice for Michael. That is a unberable thought.
I just don"t know. This is taking so long.
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I think yesterdays court circus, was just a circus :lol: NOTHING happened ! Just a show for the public imo. And the fact that CM can still practise.... well that's just great for the hoax ! Next court appearence june 14; Michael was free of all charges on that date 5 years ago. Maybe that's BAMSDAY ? just keep the faith guys, it's NOT OVER YET !!! ;)
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Today is one of my bad days. I so hard want to believe....and I do, but I don"t know.
As it seems there are only two posibilities left.....Michael is alive or the law-people are doing everything they can to cover everything up and there will be no justice for Michael. That is a unberable thought.
I just don"t know. This is taking so long.
I'm with you. I don't know what to do, my head is all over the place. I don't know why, but I'm crying so hard right now. And then I went and done something stupid and watched a MJ tribute video that I knew would make me cry even more. :cry: :roll:
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I'm with you. I don't know what to do, my head is all over the place. I don't know why, but I'm crying so hard right now. And then I went and done something stupid and watched a MJ tribute video that I knew would make me cry even more. :cry: :roll:
BIG HUG FOR YOU!
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Hahahaha, circus! Just look at my tweets, if I have time I will see if I can make a complete post about it.
"The media will manipulate any facts to generate the outcome that will create the most public interest. Things are not always as they seem" "DrConradMurray" Tweet.
:D ;)
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I think yesterdays court circus, was just a circus :lol: NOTHING happened ! Just a show for the public imo. And the fact that CM can still practise.... well that's just great for the hoax ! Next court appearence june 14; Michael was free of all charges on that date 5 years ago. Maybe that's BAMSDAY ? just keep the faith guys, it's NOT OVER YET !!! ;)
why was it a circus
why do you say that - who were the clowns - what do you mean? x
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I think yesterdays court circus, was just a circus :lol: NOTHING happened ! Just a show for the public imo. And the fact that CM can still practise.... well that's just great for the hoax ! Next court appearence june 14; Michael was free of all charges on that date 5 years ago. Maybe that's BAMSDAY ? just keep the faith guys, it's NOT OVER YET !!! ;)
why was it a circus
why do you say that - who were the clowns - what do you mean? x
The circus was the courtroom, the clowns were CM, and his attorney, other artists were the Jackson family ( I dont mean to offence them ) Tickets salesmen were the medias, and the audience was you and me, the public.And the one who decides when wich acts starts is Michael.
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It was one big circus and with the outcome that we all expected it has been shoved towards 14th of June. I had a feeling they wouldn't take Murray's medical license away. :lol:
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so mikes not coming back july 2010?
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I think it will be very soon that Mike comes back, maybe before July but we can't say that for sure. But I have a feeling it won't be long anymore.
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do you think he will come back before he has his license suspended? there would seem to be two more hearing before the final hearing and the final will be what 2 weeks -so it will depending on the courts listing - the final on this must be next year at the lastest - not many players in this
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I also felt very very bad last night, crying my eyeballs out and I could seriously not get a grip of
why I reacted that way. But we have to remember that if Murray walks out a free man, that doesn't
mean that higher authorities that was in on the conspiration is behind that. It could also just be a part
of the hoax. If he is free, Michael is also free to come back. If no one is convicted as responsible for
his death, if the insurance money isn't paid out, then the whole hoax is still legal.
Murray still has his license! That is so absurd! That, if something, should make us believe
even more, not start to loose hope! Don't you think?
I think it's Katherine that makes me cry like a baby, she really looks grieving.
But she can be sad about so much else aswell, like her dear child having to fake his death.
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i suppose some YT or pix will come out of her crying :cry:
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after yesterday can we recap on the whole hoax thing - please dont say read the threads i have been here for months
we have now had time to digest and re -think - would anyone be interested in this?
my eyes/ and broken heart are saying he is dead
i cell in my brain in hoping
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after yesterday can we recap on the whole hoax thing - please dont say read the threads i have been here for months
we have now had time to digest and re -think - would anyone be interested in this?
my eyes/ and broken heart are saying he is dead
i cell in my brain in hoping
I'm sorry that you have lost hope :( When you think about all the clues, can't you get some hope back then ?
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after yesterday can we recap on the whole hoax thing - please dont say read the threads i have been here for months
we have now had time to digest and re -think - would anyone be interested in this?
my eyes/ and broken heart are saying he is dead
i cell in my brain in hoping
What exactly is it that you want to re-cap?
Motives, how everything connects?
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lets go back to the beginning - well do we want to start a recap thread or something - if you agree start it and i will jump in .
just lets go back we are seasoned hoaxers now - have we forgotten anything, have we overlooked anything whilst discussing his gold pants or lips or hair (stop swooning girls)
we should be able to cut all the cr*p out and just get to it. what do you think and lets not get distracted on the doubles well not too much (their all yummy - want one for christmas but i have to be good as santa will give me coal) :P
i am even willing to discuss dd being mj - i want to look at the hands - if you know me you will know i hate that thread - i have the most crazy discussions about this - you see i dont agree but i just saw victors vid on another thread about the king coming back and i looked at the fingers are they two big eh -
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lets go back to the beginning - well do we want to start a recap thread or something - if you agree start it and i will jump in .
just lets go back we are seasoned hoaxers now - have we forgotten anything, have we overlooked anything whilst discussing his gold pants or lips or hair (stop swooning girls)
we should be able to cut all the cr*p out and just get to it. what do you think and lets not get distracted on the doubles well not too much (their all yummy - want one for christmas but i have to be good as santa will give me coal) :P
i am even willing to discuss dd being mj - i want to look at the hands - if you know me you will know i hate that thread - i have the most crazy discussions about this - you see i dont agree but i just saw victors vid on another thread about the king coming back and i looked at the fingers are they two big eh -
Yes, we could do that. Or we could chat you and me. It feels like a re-cap thread would be the longest and most messy ever. I would really like to re-cap with you thou, feels like I need it aswell, eventhou i didn't loose as much hope as you did.
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lets go back to the beginning - well do we want to start a recap thread or something - if you agree start it and i will jump in .
just lets go back we are seasoned hoaxers now - have we forgotten anything, have we overlooked anything whilst discussing his gold pants or lips or hair (stop swooning girls)
we should be able to cut all the cr*p out and just get to it. what do you think and lets not get distracted on the doubles well not too much (their all yummy - want one for christmas but i have to be good as santa will give me coal) :P
i am even willing to discuss dd being mj - i want to look at the hands - if you know me you will know i hate that thread - i have the most crazy discussions about this - you see i dont agree but i just saw victors vid on another thread about the king coming back and i looked at the fingers are they two big eh -
Yes, we could do that. Or we could chat you and me. It feels like a re-cap thread would be the longest and most messy ever. I would really like to re-cap with you thou, feels like I need it aswell, eventhou i didn't loose as much hope as you did.
This sounds like a good idea, but I'm in "realistic" mode and will probably be shooting down everything. :lol:
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I really hope everyone doesn't start putting emphasis on June 14th now. I don't believe it will be BAMSday. :( I am not even sure there WILL be a BAMSday. Although I often daydream about the BAMSday when he knocks on my door. (sorry but i'm selfish and don't want to share him - heehee)
But i don't believe this is going to be over any time soon... this is going to drag out. Look at how long it took just to get to the hearing and what was decided? Well, not fricken much!
I haven't fully lost hope, I feel MJ. And maybe it's because I feel him in my heart, in my blood, like faith in God. I know he's with us, I am just not sure in what FORM. You know what I mean?
It is all so maddening and my biggest fear is that unless we decide to give ourselves closure and accept him "no longer with us" (whatever you determine that to be), we will never heal!
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***big hugs to all of you beLIEver and non-BeLIEvers*** We are Michael's army - Let's be strong for him... for each other.
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I'm sorry for those of you who are having a hard time at this time I love you all ok BIG BIG hugs chuu guys :D !!! I am not losing faith at all whatever that was yesterday I can't even say it was court it did nothing to me. I love Michael surely enough but even tho it's hard on me I have to think about him to. I know it's MUCH worse for Michael than it is me. I believe he is alive and I stand strong because I have spent precious time on here ignoring some things in my life(gotta dust before my ma gets upset :? ) just for Michael :D !!! I have also taken in many cheap shots from family about me and him but it's all for the L.O.V.E of Mikey right ;) ? We may see Katherine crying I posted I pic before :( BUT I had a feeling it wasn't of her crying over his death BUT it was more of a worried cry. I know this is stressful on us plus the Jackson family but I still believe after all this is said and done Michael is still gonna have the last laugh :P The King is returning to the building :D :D :D Sorry he had a HUGE set back around these few months ;) Keep the faith! He lives ;) !!! And is coming back stronger :D
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Hi guys and to all who lose hope:
The facts haven’t changed!! (facts = inconsistencies like the fake ambulance photo etc.)
Quite the contrary: They have multiplied.
I think people are losing hope because they don’t see an end, a light, a reason for all of this. Something logical, some logic explanation.
And why is this so? Because there is something fishy going on. Nothing added up at all. And I agree with Murray (guilty or not) THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
What we need is patience.
Do you remember Marilyn?
Now we know the truth. After such a long time … she was murdered etc.
The truth will always prevail. It’s a question of time.
I think if hoax or not. In any case, you beLIEvers should stay! Because someone has to watch all this, someone has to do this for Mikey. If dead or not, hoax or not – something fishy is going on because all (family, Murray, Oxman etc.) are behaving very WEIRD!! There is nothing normal going on!!!!
And I think people are loosing hope because TIME is always an important aspect.
TIME DEMORALIZES you and WEARS YOU DOWN – but never forget, guys:
The inconsistencies are still the same and they increase from day to day.
Murray is probably a murderer and he is on the BEACH! etc. enjoying life.
Until now, 1 year later, he hasn’t been charged with ANYTHING.
For me this is a big PROOF that something fishy is going on. This is NOT a normal criminal case, not a normal situation. And we all know that.
I don’t know the truth either. But I will read and search via google until I have a satisfactory answer! (I am not a hardcore MJ fan – only someone who cannot bear INJUSTICES but I always respected him very, very much and adored him for his humanity, sensuality and talent).
All the best to you and greetings from Germany!
Don’t give up – and don’t be too emotional about all this – try to keep an open mind.
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If this case does go to court, expect Murray's defense to go after Mike's character, drug habits, and anything else to paint Mike in a negative light. That's what's going to need to happen for him to win the case. It's possible Mike's gonna get raked through the mud all over again..:roll:
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Unfortunately for me, yesterday I Could not see anything, But reading the comments from people in the forum, and looking at What public TMZ, everything Seems really to show, Murray's comment on the rocking chair, That's Not The Behavior someone Who will stand trial for murder, I think the judge's name "Michael Shepherd" is very, .. I Do Not know, weird, quaint, Another coincidence .. well this is maybe my imagination, NOT it's crazy What the addiction to Coca Cola?, let alone of all the evidence we are Presenting the media and incriminating Murray, misapplied CPR stopped Attend to historical patient to hide the bottles of medicine, But Before talking on the phone, I want to go to the bathroom and at That time Michael gets up and injected the same, But Michael took a lot of Coca Cola, oh God That's What That Kill him .. and the ambulance, took so long to call 911.
Well, for me this is a great show. :lol:
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To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
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Unfortunately for me, yesterday I Could not see anything, But reading the comments from people in the forum, and looking at What public TMZ, everything Seems really to show, Murray's comment on the rocking chair, That's Not The Behavior someone Who will stand trial for murder, I think the judge's name "Michael Shepherd" is very, .. I Do Not know, weird, quaint, Another coincidence .. well this is maybe my imagination, NOT it's crazy What the addiction to Coca Cola?, let alone of all the evidence we are Presenting the media and incriminating Murray, misapplied CPR stopped Attend to historical patient to hide the bottles of medicine, But Before talking on the phone, I want to go to the bathroom and at That time Michael gets up and injected the same, But Michael took a lot of Coca Cola, oh God That's What That Kill him .. and the ambulance, took so long to call 911.
Well, for me this is a great show. :lol:
I second that. This is the greatest show on earth. Please don't think I'm heartless, but I'm thinking about all the other crazy coincidences and inconsistencies since that day in June and I can't throw in the towel. I'm not going to listen to my emotions and let them dictate to me instead of my rational God given logic and commonsense.
No matter how you are feeling at the moment, it will pass and the question mark will still be there. Don't give up. Keep the faith. Tomorrow is another day .
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First of all, theank you for your support, it's nice to have this place where we can share opinions and comfort each other.
I still believe Mike faked his death because for sure, nothing works out in this story as it usually should. But what keeps me worried since yesterday is that i somehow suddenly analysed all those absurd things from a different point of view...which was not the case before. Whenever i used to see or feel that smth was not normal in that story, i thought right away: hoax. But now, when i think Mj might have been murdered by those "poeple", that the family keep refering to in interviews but never name ( maybe the Illuminati's? I know we had a thread about them somewhere), it suddenly makes sense that Murray walks free even though he killed him...just because he would be PROTECTED.
Also, as we all noticed, most of the absurd sides of the story started wth TMZ. But do we know TMZ enough to trust them? Many of you realized that they were checking on us and they are aware of our hoax thories. We supposed right from the start that they were together on this wth Michael, so whenever they come with a stupid story ( like yesterday wth the coca cola), we see it immediatly as an evidence that this is a hoax. But should we keep on trusting them?
Another thing: most of you think probably too that Michael faked his death to make a new generation movie ( thats what I believe)...But would such a moovie be so exciting? The project/idea yes, but I dont think much is happening, we're so into it that we have the feeling the whole world is concerned. They dont really talk about this case in the medias, in France, i havent read anywhere that yesterday was Murray's trial for example. He went twice to court in almost a year and walked free, ok, but is this enough to make a moovie? The beginning was very interesting cuz a lot was going on: memorial, funeral, dave dave...but then? Except for OUR speculations, what should be the material of a moovie that is taking so long to be made? The moovie theory seemed so obvious to me, but suddenly Im like ok, we all think its a great adventure and we are all actors part of it but come on, when you really think about it, in this scenario nothing happens. Nothing much that has a real echo to the world.
If he doesnt come back this summer, for me its over, I dont wanna be like those Elvis fans who are still waiting for him, thinking he s still hiding somewhere, no way. If Michael faked his death, he SHOULD be back soon otherwise it doesnt make sense at all. Let's pray and hope. I believe very string too that the truth always prevails. Let's just hope it won't take too long, its getting harder and harder to wait...
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Big hug Baby Shine. We'll get our questions answered soon enough. And the truth whatever that may turn out to actually be will be revealed.
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First of all, theank you for your support, it's nice to have this place where we can share opinions and comfort each other.
I still believe Mike faked his death because for sure, nothing works out in this story as it usually should. But what keeps me worried since yesterday is that i somehow suddenly analysed all those absurd things from a different point of view...which was not the case before. Whenever i used to see or feel that smth was not normal in that story, i thought right away: hoax. But now, when i think Mj might have been murdered by those "poeple", that the family keep refering to in interviews but never name ( maybe the Illuminati's? I know we had a thread about them somewhere), it suddenly makes sense that Murray walks free even though he killed him...just because he would be PROTECTED.
Also, as we all noticed, most of the absurd sides of the story started wth TMZ. But do we know TMZ enough to trust them? Many of you realized that they were checking on us and they are aware of our hoax thories. We supposed right from the start that they were together on this wth Michael, so whenever they come with a stupid story ( like yesterday wth the coca cola), we see it immediatly as an evidence that this is a hoax. But should we keep on trusting them?
Another thing: most of you think probably too that Michael faked his death to make a new generation movie ( thats what I believe)...But would such a moovie be so exciting? The project/idea yes, but I dont think much is happening, we're so into it that we have the feeling the whole world is concerned. They dont really talk about this case in the medias, in France, i havent read anywhere that yesterday was Murray's trial for example. He went twice to court in almost a year and walked free, ok, but is this enough to make a moovie? The beginning was very interesting cuz a lot was going on: memorial, funeral, dave dave...but then? Except for OUR speculations, what should be the material of a moovie that is taking so long to be made? The moovie theory seemed so obvious to me, but suddenly Im like ok, we all think its a great adventure and we are all actors part of it but come on, when you really think about it, in this scenario nothing happens. Nothing much that has a real echo to the world.
If he doesnt come back this summer, for me its over, I dont wanna be like those Elvis fans who are still waiting for him, thinking he s still hiding somewhere, no way. If Michael faked his death, he SHOULD be back soon otherwise it doesnt make sense at all. Let's pray and hope. I believe very string too that the truth always prevails. Let's just hope it won't take too long, its getting harder and harder to wait...
I also hope not want to end up mad, like a schizophrenic girl saying that Michael Jackson is alive.
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Hi guys and to all who lose hope:
The facts haven’t changed!! (facts = inconsistencies like the fake ambulance photo etc.)
Quite the contrary: They have multiplied.
I think people are losing hope because they don’t see an end, a light, a reason for all of this. Something logical, some logic explanation.
And why is this so? Because there is something fishy going on. Nothing added up at all. And I agree with Murray (guilty or not) THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL.
What we need is patience.
Do you remember Marilyn?
Now we know the truth. After such a long time … she was murdered etc.
The truth will always prevail. It’s a question of time.
I think if hoax or not. In any case, you beLIEvers should stay! Because someone has to watch all this, someone has to do this for Mikey. If dead or not, hoax or not – something fishy is going on because all (family, Murray, Oxman etc.) are behaving very WEIRD!! There is nothing normal going on!!!!
And I think people are loosing hope because TIME is always an important aspect.
TIME DEMORALIZES you and WEARS YOU DOWN – but never forget, guys:
The inconsistencies are still the same and they increase from day to day.
Murray is probably a murderer and he is on the BEACH! etc. enjoying life.
Until now, 1 year later, he hasn’t been charged with ANYTHING.
For me this is a big PROOF that something fishy is going on. This is NOT a normal criminal case, not a normal situation. And we all know that.
I don’t know the truth either. But I will read and search via google until I have a satisfactory answer! (I am not a hardcore MJ fan – only someone who cannot bear INJUSTICES but I always respected him very, very much and adored him for his humanity, sensuality and talent).
All the best to you and greetings from Germany!
Don’t give up – and don’t be too emotional about all this – try to keep an open mind.
Great post! I fully agree, there might not be a hoax death but that doesn't mean I'll give up on Michael. I think none of us will but I do understand that we all want some answers.
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I have posted this on a couple of threads, just to be sure it doesn't get lost.
Here is the speech made by Eddie Jones, Jr., the President of the Los Angeles Civil Rights Association (LACRA), yesterday at the Courthouse.
[youtube:3ea8x9vx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4SH5AlHSaM&feature[/youtube:3ea8x9vx]
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It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
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It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the past few weeks, and why. I don't think people from other countries in this forum realize just what's going on in the US right now as it relates to this case.
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MJ_Facts, very good post, I believe That the death of Any person, be it Michael Jackson or whoever is a very SERIOUS and more SERIOUS trats When is a homicide.
And everything we've seen Since 25 June are a number of Illogical and Crazy Things, from the same day They are supposed to Michael died, Through the Memorial, I still remember the photos of La Toya and many guests smiling and taking pictures, as If That Were a great celebration, in the same way in the cemetery, all the big events Were the tears away.
Then the half coverage, Especially TMZ, crazy Things That many publishing (here I speak as if Michael Was Dead), I think it would be a great Lack of Respect .. I Have Not Heard Any member of the family protesting the Coverage Given this whole issue to TMZ.
Then Murray on the bench, the important thing here is to try to suspend the license of Doctor, death is in the background.
Look, if Michael is dead this would be a very SERIOUS matter by driving the Way They Are But Given all the inconsistencies and Coincidences That We Have Seen These over 9 months and 6 days, a spectacle more Seems this Than anything else 8-) :)
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Another thing that caught my attention of Judge Michael Pastor, are the major cases he has solved, a photo topless Cameron Diaz and Jason Priestley for driving "drunk", .. wow :?: :lol:
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It makes it worst for me to see that...I mean, would he invite all the fans to write to Obama and the government to get justice for Michael Jackson if this was a hoax??? Gosh, i'm about to faint, seriously! I think i just need to be on distance for awhile coz this is getting too close to my heart, if Michael has died then it's clearly a MURDER to me and it would be extremly hard to accept. But ok let's stay positive, nothing is over yet, even if Murray is somehow protected i believe this trial will come to an end sooner or later wth a final decision and then I guess we will have our answers. Keep the faith guys...and thank you, hugz to you all:)
This is exactly what I have been trying to say for the past few weeks, and why. I don't think people from other countries in this forum realize just what's going on in the US right now as it relates to this case.
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Kingofmystery, I read your previous post and I totally agree with you, wether there's a hoax or not, this is about justice in a larger way. Injustice is one of the most horrible thing on earth. Still, i think it's very complicated for poeple who believe in a hoax to go and protest "justice for michael" when they're convinced Mike is alive or unsure if Mike really died. Just because it's always easier to protest when you are defending something when you are there with all your heart and soul. Im sure most of us are aware that this is about justice in general, and nobody likes injustice, I can't find my words and don't know how to express what i want to say but this is still about Michael, and the fans love him so much, as believers we have been watching what we think is a hoax for many months now, having fun, thinking it was a great and funny adventure...We are just not in that spirit of protesting, or maybe i just talk for myself...The whole story is just very distrurbing, even if it's a hoax im sure Michael wants to get us to that point when we need to protest to change the laws, emotionnally it's probably just too hard for many of us at the moment, hard to go and protest when u dont even know where u stand...Im sorry i hope u got me, i dont know how to express what i mean.
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To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
devils advocate here, surely this cannot be another judge in the hoax? x
but i do think it is whole remarkable that he has kept his licence
i think that would not happen in the UK, i dont know why - is it because CM does not have professional insurance/ do the insurance not cover this or has the limit been used up
is it because there is no legal aid or what ever it is called
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To me it was just part of the hoax. The disclosures made by the judge supposedly to make things clear, that it would not affect his judgement...seriously, it was really weird and it's the main info we got added to the fact that Murray is surprisingly still allowed to practice...I mean these information are important enough to make me think that there is definitely something wrong going on.
I also keep in mind that when Michael went to court he was innocent, the file was empty, there was nothing but it didn't prevent the trial to be and it didn't prevent the mass medias to be there to contribute to spread lies. What I mean is that even if there were journalists yesterday doesn't mean that it's true. It only shows me how easy is to deceive them and finally how they deceive us and it's the worst.
I keep the faith, there's too many evidences we cannot put them apart. I imagine that it must be harder for Michael, he is not "having fun" because I'm sure he knows what this hoax will induce. If it has to take more time I'll be patient. God bless you.
THIS IS ALL VERY WEIRD , HE STILL HAS HIS LICENSE..VERY WEIRD.
devils advocate here, surely this cannot be another judge in the hoax? x
but i do think it is whole remarkable that he has kept his licence
i think that would not happen in the UK, i dont know why - is it because CM does not have professional insurance/ do the insurance not cover this or has the limit been used up
is it because there is no legal aid or what ever it is called
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...as believers we have been watching what we think is a hoax for many months now, having fun, thinking it was a great and funny adventure...We are just not in that spirit of protesting, or maybe i just talk for myself...The whole story is just very distrurbing...
BabyShine,
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.
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The above post applies if this is a hoax or if it is not. It deals with the same subject matter, IMO.
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The next court date is 70 or 71 inclusive, so the clues are still there for the believers, but the death and court case need to look real or there will be fizzle instead of sizzle and no BAM!!!
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BabyShine,
I hear what you are saying. However, the misconception and error with your argument, and I am going to refer to part of your post, is that this was "just for fun." There is no way I believe this was ever for fun. If anyone thinks this was just for fun and games or an adventure, I worry about that. From all that I have been able to ascertain, is that that is plain and simple not in Michael's character to do something so selfish. He cares about people way too much. So we can conclude that he would only do something as drastic as fake his death unless he absolutely had to, or if to make a strong socio-political statement and had to "die" for it in order to be heard.
So knowing that there is some pretty heavy, important, and serious aspects to this, how can we justify our "inaction"? The facts are there. Michael spoke of alleged conspiracy and racism many, many times before. Burying our heads in the sand will not make that go away.[/quote]
Hey KoM...
You misunderstood me, of course I know this wouldn't be JUST for fun. I somehow totally FEEL Michael as an artist and as a human being and I know he would never do such a thing for his ego or the money or anything that would put HIM and only him ( or his art) in the center of all this. You can tell it's bigger than this, and to me one of the the proof is, when he "sent" his kids ond stage at the Grammys, the emphasis was put on Michael's message to the world. I am taking this message very seriously ( Earth dying,how we shouold change our behaviours to each other, how aware we should be that we're being manipulated by the medias on many levels etc= trying to make the world a better place), but the protesting thing about injustice in the US caused by laws is new to me, dont forget that before April 5th Murray went to court only once, I didn't feel like this trial was put in the center of this hoax but was maybe just a way to "extend" and "loose time" until Mike's return, and nobody was sure what Michael meant wth this case anyway, so I don't think it was clear for all of us (until now at least!) that we should all go to the States and protest for Justice...also, we're not all from the States and laws are not the same everywhere!
About the fun, I still believe a big side of the hoax is actually fun, it's fun finding clues (if we aint crazy and that those clues left are real), it's fun watching some situation or reading some absurd things surrounding all this... So yes its not JUST for fun, but there is still some fun there, however ur're right we shouldnt forget the serious part of it that has probably motivated MJ most
However, I still believe it's hard to go and protest when you dont evn know and understand what is really going with THIS case, I mean i just cant picture myself going to LA and screaming "justice for Michael, it not manslaughter but murder" if I think he is alive, it would sound like a joke to me you know what I mean? Im the kind of person who needs to have real convictions before doing smth...I know i know i know it's not just about when Mj will return, or if there's a hoax or not, but I feel like a fool, not knowing anymore what to think of all this, and in such a confusion state I just dont find the strengh in me to get to where Michael might wants to get us. Hope I wasnt too confusing :roll:
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I never believed in the death of Michael Jackson!
I am convinced that we are in the "return process", we're going back to rejoin the proclamation of innocence in all of Dr. Murray because "there is no death and no murder."
Michael's intentions are clear and sharp, the postponement of the trial to June 14, 2010: June 14 points out of 5 years ago when MJ was acquitted from the charges!
And Dr. Murray may exercise the medical profession as usual....!!
The doses of propofol ... the Coke ....! It 'great screenplay! ;)
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LunaCielo, If as you say, totally agree, Murray practices medicine, is free .. No corpse, no one killed anyone .. :lol:
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woah i never thought id see the day where i joined a hoax forum but here i am!
i always been a little 5050 on the hoax theories but i joined cause mondays events have made me feel more than ever that this is a hoax, so im surprised to see so many people on here saying they losing faith.
so you all seem to think its real cause he didnt come back? so he may never come back, but that dont mean hes really gone. you cant seriously believe he would come back at easter? could you imagine how he would offend the Christian community? he would really offend them cause they would think he was being sick and blasphemous and trying to say he was Jesus Christ. I am a life long fan and also a Christian and i must admit i wouldnt have been pleased with him if he chose easter sunday or monday, and i know one thing- i know Michael would NEVER mess with a church on the most sacred time of the year. so TIAI spoke about 999? that dont mean he would come back on a date like that,does it? all they did was predict that something would happen and here we have it. no matter if you think they are TMZ or somebody playing games with you, it is incredible that they were able to predict the 999 dates (5th april) way before murray was even arrested. or maybe they were just trying to draw our attention to the MJ alive 999 person on here/youtube? they never said anything about him returning on that date, least not that i recall, so we got our event on the 5th april as predicted, so what more we want?
Monday itself was just screaming hoax, murray walked in through an underground tunnel (where have we heard this theme before?) and was taken to the NINTH floor for a private hearing that seemed to have little to do with the case.then we hear lots of argueing between judges and the judge is changed and murray is let free yet again! so is the same thing gonna happen on june 14th? are we gonna keep having hearings like this over and over again until they eventually admit whats going on? who knows!
Michael may never come back,he probably simply wanted a life of freedom & normality, part of me hopes that he will never reappear, part of me hopes that he will convince us all he is dead. because it is selfish of us to want him back, why should he come back? he will be tortured by the media more than ever and the fans will hassle him more than ever because they will appreciate him more.
if a hoax is ever to be revealed i believe it will come around slowly and gradually & it will come out in years & years time that he is indeed alive.
if your losing faith then just go back to the events round and before june 25th & remember why you thought it was a hoax in the first place, look at everything presuming he is gone and look for a logical reason for it, & if theres no explanation then we have another factor towards a hoax!
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Greetings and welcome Dom.
One thing I wanted to mention about Murray. Everything is about perspective here. During Michael's trial in 2005, Michael was forced to walk through the front of the Courthouse, in front of the media, to shame him.
Murray gets the privilege to walk in through the back door, avoiding the public and media scrutiny. (Murray was also heavily protected within the Courthouse, as there were angry fans inside.)
This is why the Jackson's, etc. are furious about the preferential treatment that Murray is getting. He wasn't even hand-cuffed like Michael was forced to be.
It's a big fat double standard.
What happened on Monday at the court proceeding is very typical of court process and procedure. It was interesting to hear the feedback from the fans who were at the Courthouse on Monday. (Six fans were selected by lottery to sit inside the courtroom, just like in Michael's hearing in 2005.)
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Six fans inside?? Really? Do we know where they are and what they said/thought about it? That could help us so much knowing more about this case!
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Six fans inside?? Really? Do we know where they are and what they said/thought about it? That could help us so much knowing more about this case!
I was listening to the recap of the fans' experience on the justice4mj livestream yesterday. Please review the below thread for an overview of the livestream. It unfortunately wasn't recorded, but I tried to take good notes. ;)
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i think they allowed him to get in the back for security, because he is in greater danger than Michael ever was. though i don't know how that means he can go out & be photo graphed like he is without being assasinated.
to be honest i can just see this going as a set up to get CM to walk free and if he does walk free then i will be definitely thinking HOAX! :mrgreen:
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One thing I wanted to mention about Murray. Everything is about perspective here. During Michael's trial in 2005, Michael was forced to walk through the front of the Courthouse, in front of the media, to shame him. Murray gets the privilege to walk in through the back door, avoiding the public and media scrutiny. (Murray was also heavily protected within the Courthouse, as there were angry fans inside.)
This fact is what outrages me to NO END!!! Has CM really recvd any valid death threats? come on. I'm sorry but no real Michael Jackson fan will kill another to avenge his death. That is so not what he stood for and we all know that.
At the trial, MJ was faced with angry mobs screaming terrible things at him, just as MJ fans are screaming terrible things at CM. Some people in this world believe that child molestation is worse than murdering an adult. And many ppl believed MJ was guilty (idiots).
So again, I don't see how in the world or WHY Michael was in handcuffs, yanked from the hospital in his PJ's and brought to hte court in front of all that BS, but yet Murray gets to escape it all AGAIN. it is effin BS!!!!! it makes my stomach churn. And if this is a hoax, wouldn't it make more sense for Murray to be out in the open all the time, feeding into the drama of it all?! isn't that the point? :cry: :evil: :x :(
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No, no and no.
Do not stop believing right now.
Think, there is reason to escape Michael
I read that left debts behind.
Maybe they wanted to kill him.
For me this is the reason and not for fun.
This circus, which we see is the work of others.
I do not believe that Michael would be so kidding with this crap
Do not give up right now.
He will return, I believe.
Do not give up right now.
He will return, I believe.
Ensuring that you manipulate, Deiv, and the man with the hat, not Michael.
They are distracting us from important things.
Do not know who produced it, but I'm sure that can not be Michael.
It would also make fun of us.
Love You Michael, wherever you are, be alive and well
The whole world loves you and with you.
YOU OUR GOD.
God bless you.
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hi everybody i just wanted to mention something that i heard during the live stream in April 5th.the girl who was talking that day & having live information from inside the court by fans who were there said when Murray was taken to the 9th floor they used the elevator which is used for garbage i remember that because the girl kept saying that that's where Murray should be because he's garbage...i just thaught it was interesting & i didn't see it mentioned anywhere
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is this true jinan? :?: 8-)
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yeah that's what i heard & i'm sure that's what she said & i was what??!!
garbage theory again...most people didn't listen to it because they were focusing on the live stream on TMZ & etonline but i'm really sure of what the girl said
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;) :lol:
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NOw that is a trip if Murray really did use that elevator!!! Were there no other elevators?? Even at work the freight or garbage elevator will open and even if it is the only one that opens for me at that time I WILL NOT USE IT!! I always wait on a regular elevator. This is a trip!! :?
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Randy i am disappointment in you
instead of worrying about your poor brother and seeing just done
your worried about seating arrangements - its not important
The court informed us there's nothing they could do.
2:25 PM Apr 5th via web Inside the courtroom... The press is getting preferential treatment and seating over us. They seem to have forgotten that we are a family.
2:23 PM Apr 5th via web