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« on: August 10, 2010, 05:55:45 PM »
Souza, thanks for the taking the time to respond. I didn't explain myself very well. I wasn't expecting anyone to attempt to convince me. I think I have spent sufficient time to think this out. I only expressed what thoughts because it felt "phony" not to do so.
I have always thought there was a spiritual reason for me to be here. It was so out of character for me to participate in something like this.
But I think for me, I have received the message that I was supposed to hear. Ironically, that's why I have so little time to read or participate on the website. I'm very actively involved in multiple directions in trying to help those who are so struggling during this severe economic times in my community. I received that message from Michael's life. To take every talent you have and use it for others. I just happened to have some skills that fit for the economic times we are in right now.
Part of what has been stressed here is for people to think for themselves. I so value that as well as the ability to express ourselves freely here. That's the only reason why I stated my feelings about where the website is headed. I'm not critical, just think that this is the fork in the road for me and I need to take what I have learned and use it to the max. I have this incredible need to be honest...however it does have its drawbacks.
Souza and Mo - thanks for all the hard work you have done. Maybe both of you as well as everyone else on this site will never fully know or comprehend the impact you've made on people's lives. Who knows why God uses us in ways we can't comprehend or understand...maybe that's the most exciting game of all...life.
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« on: August 10, 2010, 04:56:15 PM »
I'm not trying to be difficult, but I really want to understand this.
So the Elvis/MJ thing is only to get attention for his message and the reason why he hoaxed his death.
These are the roadblocks for me.
1) How much credibility will there be for him and his message if he links himself with Elvis whose death has been an ongoing source of numerous jokes for years. Also, is Elvis really relevant or has the same global exposure that Michael did?
2) So assume number 1 works, and everyone comes to this site (very wishful thinking) do we REALLY know why Michael hoaxed his death? We have a lot of conjectures but I've never seen a concrete and proven reason.
I want to believe, I really do. But we midwesterners are hard to convince. In my gut, I feel like I'm being used in some way that does not feel right. I don't like that feeling. I can't lose it and haven't been able to ever since the Elvis thing came up. I know..I
know...prove TS wrong. Don't have the time nor the commitment to do that. Something just doesn't feel right.
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« on: August 10, 2010, 04:34:50 PM »
Okay, I need some help. If we all start to buy into the MJ/Elvis thing, how does that connect with a message of love, changing the world, justice for those without a voice, etc. I understand that it makes a great story and a huge publicity stunt, but where's Michael's message in all of that? If he wants to portray himself as other than an entertainer and he wants the world to take him seriously as other than a singer/dancer, how does that fit into Elvis/MJ thing? It could even make a great movie, but where's his message of love?
Maybe I was deluded about the death hoax being for a greater good other than entertainment. Now I don't know.
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« on: August 07, 2010, 07:52:40 AM »
Could this be related to the BAM/restoration? Could the words "left some key information out of the paperwork" be related to Michael's trials? He is a genius...all of these stories set up weeks ago and now are starting to give us more and more information as we get closer (I think) to the Bam. Beyond genius. I would not want to oppose Michael in a chess game.
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« on: August 06, 2010, 02:52:47 PM »
Before I add a comment, I need to preface my remark with the following.
1) I think Michael's messages via TMZ are similar to his messages in his songs, not complicated, repetitive, and easy to understand.
2) I believe that Michael is using TMZ to convey his messages to us because it's a very "warriorlike" thing to do. Use the weapon of your enemy who slayed you to defend yourself. Whoever wanted Michael taken down, used the tabloids to do it. Michael's only doing the same thing. There's a Japanese martial art called "akido" that explains this concept very well. But it's Biblical as well and found in every culture. There has never been another artist who was so stalked by the tabloids.
I think Michael is trying to tell us one of the reasons why someone may have wanted him gone or at least minimize his ability to influence. The following comment from the TMZ article "but when artists enter the political arena, it's not a good thing" echoes what Louis Farrakahn said shortly after Michael's death. I'm paraphrasing, but basically he said no one was interested in Michael until he became political.
( Don't have the time to cite the article it but it's available)
I think Michael had a wake up call politically. You can attempt to help people with money but as long as governments are corrupt, it's never a permanent solution. You can see the progression in his music. Yes, it was a message about love, but there were also messages about injustices and greed, etc. I understand why certain organizations would be threatened by him. His messages through his music were listened to, the words memorized and repeated over and over again. Repetition, repetition, repetition...a technique used by the best teachers. For me, this is an easy clue to understand. You just need to reread Farakhan and Sharpton.
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« on: August 05, 2010, 07:21:41 PM »
Good luck! I think you are right on. In my mind, the whole Sony debacle and the child molestation trial has to be linked to money. Money does make the world go round; I'd like to believe it's love and maybe in the end, Michael can prove that it's love. But I think the only way he can be totally restored (none of this makes sense if he isn't) is to uncover the reasons for the literally dismantling of his career and his finances and ultimately his life. The money will lead us to that. I have a hard time with the "TS" thing because I can't tie any of the comments to the money motive. I think it's led us down some trails that don't compute. But that's just my jaded opinion. I do believe that TMZ has been giving us clues and the casino ploy is another one...it's all about the money and the will is an integral part of it. I think Katherine is the quarterback on the field and Michael is in the booth with headphones...literally.
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« on: July 24, 2010, 03:43:46 PM »
I couldn't find the direct link, but if they are the monuments related to Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln, it could be significant. All of these three presidents had vital roles in securing freedom for Americans.
Washington - led the first Continental Army against the tyranny of the British (sorry to the Brits) and instrumental in developing the constitution as well as first president of the new United State of America.
Jefferson - author of the Declaration of Independence which declared the States free from British rule.
Lincoln - issued the Emancipation Proclamation which freed the slaves.
Sorry--I love history. If you don't know where you've been, you can't know where you're going. I think this is part of his message.
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« on: July 20, 2010, 06:31:43 AM »
I admit that I'm one of those that takes a long time to "believe" in something.
There are a couple of things about the whole "TS" issue that bothers me:
1) If Michael really did plan this hoax for many years and understanding his attention to detail and having things work perfectly, I find it hard to believe that he would depend on a 1,000 or more and a hoax site to spread the message. I just can't rationalize this. I think he had a better and more global plan than that.
2) I do think that mixing Michael and Elvis does run the risk of creating more doubts about the hoax just because of the nature of the jokes etc. about Elvis. That also doesn't fit into my concept of Michael's perfectionistic nature. If he's trying to restore his image, why get into the Elvis thing? I'd like to wait until I see something more definitive about Elvis/DNA, etc before jumping to that conclusion.
3) It bothers me that there is a division about this. There was a comment yesterday that those of us who didn't believe in the Elivs/MJ things apparently did not have as much faith or courage to believe. That's an incredible statement since some of us have been here for many months. That seems to me intolerant of every person's need to come to their own conclusion and beliefs. I think if you have a spiritual relationship you're challenged everyday to have faith with issues beyond a death hoax and in some cases much more serious. Again, that's so not in Michael's character at all. So I'm not sure that another division among the few believers here provides any positive results....except to divide us, and maybe that's what the agenda is.
4) As for believing everything that TS has sent us, I do believe there have been some who did question the messages but they were soon "shut down." Maybe we should go back and reread some of those comments as well.
I thought one of the purposes of this site was to provide valid investigation that we would hope the media would pursue. Putting Elvis in the mix just seems to negate that possibility or at a minimum diminish it.
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« on: July 18, 2010, 10:04:59 AM »
These are some things that might be important to remember.
1) The Encino property was paid off by the estate. Part of Katherine's allowance granted by the court was for the upkeep of the property. Katherine can't borrow against this.
2) Katherine's large debt ($12 - 14M) is due to the non fulfillment of a contract for a concert performance. She and Joe are both liable for this. Michael paid off or negotiated his part of the claim prior to his death. They are attempted to go after Katherine's allowance as payment for the debt. That's why she is having problems.
3) You're correct. No death is worth any amount of money...which is precisely why I think this is a "hoax" death.
4) The estate still has (in addition to the other debts) a $300M loan that needs to be either paid or negotiated. Until this debt is taken care of, none of the inheritance will go to either Katherine or the children other than the allowance. That's why the allowance was set up. I don't think anyone would loan Katherine money based on her possible inheritance mainly due to her age. Once she dies, the inheritance reverts to Michael's children. Her personal debts wouldn't be paid. It wouldn't make good financial sense to do that.
This is why I think it's all about the money and the will is critical as well as the lawyers running the estate. Was this really what Michael intended???
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« on: July 18, 2010, 08:27:21 AM »
This is about the money...maybe on multiple levels, but it's about the money.
I keep seeing postings about the $1 billion thing and how could he broke. I think there's a misunderstanding about revenue versus income. The estate has made many valuable contracts for "revenue" i.e., the recording contract, the Cirque, etc. but that's not actually cold hard cash or income in the bank. It will be in the future, but for now it's revenue. There's a big difference. The estate can also not release any of that money until the outstanding debts are paid.
Michael was an extremely intelligent business person. I think he played the game of leveraging his assets until his time ran out. He more than anybody knew he was worth more dead than alive. I believe all of the financial information that has been issued. Some of it from valid sources, i.e. the Wall Street Journal. You have to understand that for business people his finances were extremely interesting. He was literally his own business corporation.
He may have been planning this for many years and that's why he borrowed against his assets. Hoaxing his death for multiple reasons is certainly plausible. I think if the truth is ever known, Michael has financially supported his family for many years and that's where the bulk of the money went. Their ability now to get "gigs" was all part of the plan until the estate becomes solvent. It fits with the Virgo personality, assuming the August date is correct. Virgo's are extremely financially responsible for the people they love.
I think we sometimes limit Michael's genius in thinking that there was only one reason for him to hoax his death. I do not pretend to get into the mind of a genius and so I don't go there. But I do believe, it's all about money on many different levels, as well as his reputation, which if you think about it, the trial deprived him of some of his highest earning years. I don't fault him for that at all.
The real question for me is how he pulls off coming back...if he chooses to and still not only maintain credibility but restores his reputation to the pre-trial days. My bet is on Michael. I also think he has planned this so well that I doubt very much that he depended on or needs our help to make this all come to fruition. Again, I'm humbled by his genius which has to be divinely inspired, which is why I think he will come back. It would not nearly be such a coup if he chose not to. Not enough of a challenge for MJ.
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« on: July 16, 2010, 12:15:28 PM »
Does anybody remember this from August 2009? They don't need to dig up the body.
Michael Jackson's family set to fly his DNA to UK clinic
Michael Jackson’s worried family are set to fly samples of his DNA to a secure English clinic in case unscrupulous fortune seekers use it to create a new heir to the star’s mega fortune.
The move was planned after it was discovered the King of Pop gave a sperm sample to a Los Angeles donor bank last year when he was considering having a fourth child.
With the legal wrangle over the singer’s multi-billion dollar estate continuing, the Jacksons are concerned that not everyone can be trusted. Friends fear rogue elements could use the sperm sample to give birth to a new claimant to Jacko’s riches.
A source said: “It might sound crazy but when it comes to Michael anything is possible.”
On Monday we revealed that the singer approached British doctor Susan Etok last October about having his fourth child.
And last night Jackson’s long-time friend Mark Lester said the star always dreamed of having SIX kids.
He said: “Michael always talked about having six children.
“It is quite possible that he would have wanted to have samples saved for him, it makes sense.” Jackson’s estate could be worth as much as a billion pounds over the next 20 years.
It is expected to rake in cash from record sales and royalties and from licensing his image for a massive world-wide range of memorabilia.
A source said: “With everything that’s at stake the last thing the Jackson family need is someone using his sperm to give birth to a child and produce another potential heir to Michael’s estate.
“The family know Michael authorised a number of people to access this sperm sample.
“The problem is they don’t know who has access and given that a number of doctors have been implicated in his death then something sinister could easily happen.”
Jackson, 50, who died on June 25, had three children – Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and seven-year-old Blanket. Nurse Debbie Rowe is the mother of the two eldest children while Blanket’s mum was a surrogate.
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« on: July 14, 2010, 12:03:08 PM »
Curls - I think you've got it. This makes a lot more sense! MJ died so he could clean up the tabloids?
"Clean up" as in destroy them...
MJ Fans -- Dying to Clean Up Tomb Graffiti
As in, MJ dying in order to highlight, then clean up, tabloid 'graffiti' , maybe??
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« on: July 14, 2010, 11:56:21 AM »
sk2001 - I agree with you. I look at the purpose of the website and think that we have lost our focus. I have no proof, but my gut feeling tells me that whoever this TS person is, is using us for their own agenda. It's hard enough to prove credibility with the Michael Jackson hoax, now we've added Elvis into the mix? Maybe we should just focus on one thing and let the other one play it out. They may or may not be connected, but I very seriously doubt that "tweeting" is going to convince anyone. If we lose whatever credibility we have, we've lost a lot.
But like you, to each his own. For myself, I know that when I lose focus, I lose valuable time and resources that could be spent on whatever my original goal is....in business, they call that getting into the weeds.
No bashing please.
"If everyone's thinking the same thing, no one's thinking." Benjamin Franklin
Peace, love and recycle.
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« on: July 12, 2010, 06:15:16 PM »
Well, my apologies to Mo and Souza. I didn't believe it although I couldn't reconcile the 2 totally different personalities and physical changes. Somehow seeing it visualized like this made me a believer.
I don't know if it's twins or what, but it is definitely 2 different people. This is beyond Barnum and Bailey...I'm not even going to try to figure it out. I think I'll just wait. It just gets more exciting everyday...now the Elvis thing!
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« on: July 08, 2010, 04:22:08 PM »
I originally was ready to accept this very soon after his death except there seems to be too many financial issues that weren't resolved. I'm confused as to why Randy and Katherine want to contest the will. Either it was not the will Michael intended them to "find" or he did not plan for this part of the hoax. I can't believe that he would have left his mother $12M in debt without some way for her to pay it back. The estate may be tied up in debts for some time before they can release any money other than expenses to both her and the kids. I also believe that he had reconciled with his father. He more or less said that in his last interview with Geraldo. So I think he would have left his father something to live on.
I think the real test will be the outcome of the trial. If nothing happens and Murray goes free without any jail time, then I think it really was a hoax and was planned that way.
The whole money thing just really bothers me. It's not like Michael to not take care of his parents. I don't think that's part of the legacy he wanted to leave. I feel sad for Katherine at 80 trying to make money with some sleazy people.
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