So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast :icon_lol:
The guy wears a RTL shirt.
Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)
True what you say Sim!
In the original pic the second security guy with the reflective jacket is missing.
But I wonder: for how long did Michael remain in that pose? Enough time for the security guy to move out of the pic and the RTL guy to move into the pic?
Or is it just a slight difference in perspective, field of view?
I am not sure.
But then again: position of the arms of the people in the audience seem to be exactly the same in both pics.
True what you say Sim!
In the original pic the second security guy with the reflective jacket is missing.
But I wonder: for how long did Michael remain in that pose? Enough time for the security guy to move out of the pic and the RTL guy to move into the pic?
Or is it just a slight difference in perspective, field of view?
I am not sure.
But then again: position of the arms of the people in the audience seem to be exactly the same in both pics.
I totally agree, MaryK. Arm positions are the same. As I always say> Photoshop can do miracles. I even call it "Photoshop, the Great" :LolLolLolLol:
But may be we should take this one step further. What is the purpose for two pics with such a difference?
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IMO the only logical explanation of why the RTL guy isn't there on the original pic, is that when the photo was taken they didn't want to make an advertisement for RTL so they cut the guy off... what have changed then to re-put he guy in the photo now? Well...maybe RTL is one of the album/hoax sponsors which is quite possible with the whole van video...?
Anyway, the story is quite weird and I rly have the impession that we've seen this pattern of adding things without any specific reason many times before (different lyrics for Will you be there during the memorial etc...). So I guess it's just an other wink from MJ to let us know that he's watching lol :)
It's interesting to watch the video footage to look for him.
RTL, première radio de France, est partenaire de BAD 25.http://mjdatabank.com/mjjnews/wordpress/2012/08/20/rtl-partenaire-de-bad-25/ (http://mjdatabank.com/mjjnews/wordpress/2012/08/20/rtl-partenaire-de-bad-25/)
RTL, partenaire de la réédition de cet albumhttp://www.rtl.fr/actualites/culture-loisirs/musique/article/exclusivite-rtl-decouvrez-des-extraits-video-du-live-de-michael-jackson-a-wembley-en-1988-7752258760 (http://www.rtl.fr/actualites/culture-loisirs/musique/article/exclusivite-rtl-decouvrez-des-extraits-video-du-live-de-michael-jackson-a-wembley-en-1988-7752258760)
The RTL Group started in 1931 as CLR or Compagnie Luxembourgeoise de Radiodiffusion which operated Radio Luxembourg. CLR was one of 23 founding broadcasting organisations of the European Broadcasting Union in 1950. The RTL Group is still an EBU-member under a previous name: CLT Multi Media. In 1954 it was renamed CLT or Compagnie Luxembourgeoise de Télédiffusion and started television broadcasts. In 1997 it merged with Hamburg-based UFA Film- und Fernseh-GmbH (not to be confused with pre 1945 UFA) to create CLT-UFA. In 2000 it merged with Pearson TV and became RTL Group, which also allowed it to enter the American broadcast market. As of December 2011, Bertelsmann owns 92.3% of the company.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTL_Group)
On October 1, 2008 Bertelsmann completed the sale of its 50 % stake in Sony BMG to Sony Corporation of America. Sony has since renamed its now wholly owned music business to Sony Music Entertainment. These two divestitures marked the end of the Bertelsmann Music Group division and the selected assets that Bertelsmann decided to retain from these sell-offs will be the basis of a forthcoming BMG branded division, BMG Rights Management, which will focus on building, managing and marketing artist rights.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann)
Bertelsmann Music Group, (BMG), was a division of Bertelsmann before its completion of sale of the majority of its assets to Japan's Sony Corporation of America on October 1, 2008.
The basis of the company was formed through BMG's decision to withhold selected European music catalogues from the former Sony BMG joint venture and the BMG Publishing businesses.
Rolf Schmidt-Holtz, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Chief Creative Officer and Member of the Management Board of Bertelsmann AG
Clive Davis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, BMG North America CEOhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann_Music_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann_Music_Group)
Mr. Schmidt-Holtz became Chairman of the Management Board of the Bertelsmann Music Group (BMG). After its merger with Sony Music in 2003, he first became the Chairman, and from 2006 on, Chief Executive Officer at Sony BMG. Mr. Schmidt-Holtz serves as a Member of the Executive Board of Ariola Eurodisc, Inc., Arista Records, Inc., Bertelsmann Music Group,Inc., Bertelsmann TJS, Inc., BMG Australia Limited, BMG J LLC, BMG Music, BMG New Zealand Limited, BMG Songs, Inc., BMG Special Products,Inc., Careers-BMG Music Publishing, Inc., RTL Group S.A.,http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=690993&privcapId=519888&previousCapId=519888&previousTitle=Bertelsmann%20AG (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=690993&privcapId=519888&previousCapId=519888&previousTitle=Bertelsmann%20AG)
Universal Music Publishing Group (UMPG) is a music publishing company and is part of the Universal Music Group.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Music_Publishing_Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Music_Publishing_Group)
UMPG owns or administers more than 1 million copyrights. They are one of the largest music publishing businesses in the world with more than 47 offices in 41 countries. In 2006, Universal Music Publishing Group acquired BMG Music Publishing for €1.63 billion, the third largest publishing group, making Universal Music the largest music publisher in the world.
1966http://www.rtlgroup.com/www/htm/AboutUs_History.aspx
Radio Luxembourg is rebranded RTL.
So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast :icon_lol:
The guy wears a RTL shirt.
Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)
i still think that there are 2 different pics taken very quickly one after another, that's why Michael didn't even have the time to move, like pretty much all the people in it... except very few, amongst which this RTL guy.
Plus it's very difficult to really analyze the photos in detail, since they're not in a very good quality/resolution.
Also, I wrote MjHoaxEvidence a PM on youtube asking her why the video wasn't visible.
This is the answer (I paste it here only because she/he sent it to all the subscribers, therefore it's intended to be read by other people, it's not really a private message):
"I sent out a bulletin to all subscribers apologizing for it.
The contents of it is proven false. I will try to do more research and hopefully soon I will post another video.
Sincere Apologies,
MJHE"
Clive Davis (Whitney Houston connection again) and Sony music. :errrr: :icon_e_confused:
Also, remember TMZ’s many ‘What’s the difference’ photo shots, comparison between 2 almost identical pics? This is just like it—a game for us to play perhaps.
In this video RTL refers to MJ as Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gI-kuTwJQM
MJ seems upset. Mary, what do you hear there? Thanks.
Brings us always back to --are 'they' friend or foe to Michael, and is MJ in charge of this hoax.
Clive Davis (Whitney Houston connection again) and Sony music. :errrr: :icon_e_confused:
Also, remember TMZ’s many ‘What’s the difference’ photo shots, comparison between 2 almost identical pics? This is just like it—a game for us to play perhaps.
In this video RTL refers to MJ as Jacko.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gI-kuTwJQM
MJ seems upset. Mary, what do you hear there? Thanks.
Brings us always back to --are 'they' friend or foe to Michael, and is MJ in charge of this hoax.
I will add a translation here later when I get back home.
Have a job interview this morning and will be back after that :bearhug:
During a video shoot, the attempt to record a commercial.
New York, this weekend, the same facial expression, tired, absent-minded, hardly noticing the screaming fans. The King of Pop, like a zombie. Supported by Elizabeth Taylor he whispers a few barely understandable words into the microphones.
"I feel very honored that the world honors my art, really very honored."
Michael Jackson down and out? The sad downfall of a mega-star? Christian Marx, Jacko´s biographer , was shocked by the appearance too.
"I really do think that he is at the end of his strenght, which is no surprise. This concert has been the pinnacle for him, it has been his first performance in the US in many years."
But even long before the concert Jacko appeared to be groggy.
Ravaged by his many facial surgeries. He still seems to be in great pain.
His mask-like outward appearance hardly allows any movement.
Friends report that Michael has problems in following conversations, talking is often a torture for him.
(Michael getting up, heading towards the door "Thank you")
With these words he abruptly breaks off the video shoot.
He got through the concert in New York, he had no choice.
But everyone who has seen these pictures is wondering if this hasn´t already been the last public appearance of Michael Jackson.
RK - thank you for translating the words. If pictures speak a thousand words than Michael's actions said it all. He wasn't happy with what was going on around him. But do the words explain fully why Michael would get up and leave? Something else must have happened.
Blessings
Mary, I hope your interview went well and you get the job. Thanks for translating! How RTL twisted everything to do with Michael, even saying he just barely managed the New York performance of 2001. We've all watched it and he was fantastic! No wonder Back/Front have such disdain for the media who were out to destroy his image. How I wish for justice for MJ, and Front has promised it is coming.
About the pics I don't think they're a split second apart (way too much hyper movement happening everywhere). I think perhaps the pic has been stretched/warped in some way so that nothing lines up like Leilani81 says. But the insert of RTL seems deliberate, why who knows.
RK - thank you for translating the words. If pictures speak a thousand words than Michael's actions said it all. He wasn't happy with what was going on around him. But do the words explain fully why Michael would get up and leave? Something else must have happened.
Blessings
I thought it was MaryK who translated it. I really don't like the video. It's too negative. Showing Michael incapable of speaking and not aware of screaming fans, always in pain and describing him as a Zombie is very offensive. The word Jacko was used a couple of times. If I were Michael I would have sued them. This is not a way to describe people at all. The video is not explaining why Michael suddenly decided to end the interview. The reason mentioned in the video is that talking was a torture for him due to the pain he had from the many facial surgeries. Again, another lie. But this is what we should expect from the media. Facts are twisted and turned. Why were they doing this to him? It's not fair!
well, for a sick, drugged guy (*hic*) very prolific 4 month of 2009 :)
Thanks for posting the video Sim. I still don't get it. Why put the picture of the the France concert on the back of the cover instead??? Ok, RTL wants us to think that Michael is alive, no problem about that! But the pictue of the France concert doesn't make sense to me!
@Paula, TNZ weren't the only ones looking at those unreleased songs yesterday :suspect:
flory24 and I talked about them here:
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forum/index.php/topic,23324.msg424870.html#msg424870
I've posted the TNZ link you gave on flory's thread too - hope that's ok with you.
So while we continued the search for the Wembley Umatic master, we also researched the audio recordings that existed from all of the concerts including Wembley.The other audio/visual recordings that exist, whether Umatic or VHS, are “front of house” mixes, and therefore there are no separate audio recordings that can be used.The music video for the song "Another Part of Me" features footage from other concerts in Wembley as well as Paris.In addition to the full July 16 concert, the DVD also includes "The Way You Make Me Feel", from the previous night on July 15 (the song was not performed on July 16 due to a late start of the show) and "I Just Can't Stop Loving You", and "Bad", from a 1987 Bad World Tour concert, in Yokohama, Japan, performed on September 26. Recording with him on stage at Dirty Diana, is actually from concert in Paris.
Well they should have named the dvd something else other than "Live at Wembley". Its not
all at Wembley as they would make us believe, because not everyone would see the statement
from the Executors!!
Published on Sep 28, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]
Again another strong pointer to {London - Paris - Diana}.
Published on Sep 28, 2012 by MJHoaxEvidence
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvxpAUOflfQ&feature=channel&list=UL[/youtube]
Ever since I saw this video^^ published by MjHoaxEvidence, there's something that keeps bugging me! a very nice COINCIDENCE! or is it?? :animal0017:
At the beginning of this month, I had stumbled upon this fragment from the Wembley concert with Michael singing "Human Nature" (one of my very favs!). Watch it here: Michael Jackson Human Nature (Live from Wembley Stadium) (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xtfwbz_michael-jackson-human-nature-live-from-wembley-stadium_music) (pay attention to the minute 03:25)
So at one point, I see Michael filmed from behind, making the fans sing and moving his sexy butt nicely, so I took a screenshot and posted it on my personal Facebook page, on September 10th! See it here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=282131148562811&set=a.282131128562813.59484.100002977858033&type=3&theater
Now go on the video published by MjHoaxEvidence and look at the minute13:32[error correction: minute 10:47] and you will see the exact same screenshot I took from that Wembley concert. With this screenshot, MjHoaxEvidence proved that it was only angle we can see Michael from behind in the Wembley concert, therefore, she proved that the photo from the DVD-cover is actually from another concert Michael gave in PARIS ( :icon_idea: ), France on the stadium called 'PARC des PRINCES'( :icon_idea:)(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25compa.jpg)
Now what I find awesome and coincidental are several things:
1. The fact that the BAD25- back cover is actually a photo very similar with the screen shot that I had taken: Michael seen from the back, with a hand stretched out in the air and facing his audience ! In the montage that I made, it seems like that 2 pics mirror each other! "man in the mirror"?
2. The fact that MjHoaxEvidence used the exact same screenshot to prove that the back cover is in fact a CLUE from Michael
3. The fact that the true location of the back cover contains the names of his 3 children! Paris and the 2 Princes (the 2 boys --> stadium : "Parc des Princes" located in Paris) --> also PARC could mean PARK as in "amusement ParK", like say...Neverland or Disneyland in Paris?
With this screenshot, MjHoaxEvidence proved that it was only angle we can see Michael from behind in the Wembley concert, therefore, she proved that the photo from the DVD-cover is actually from another concert Michael gave in PARIS ( ), France on the stadium called 'PARC des PRINCES'( )This blows me away, this is so cool, subtle and brilliant! But without brilliant sleuthers like MjHoaxEvidence and you, it would never have been found. Thank you!
1. The fact that the BAD25- back cover is actually a photo very similar with the screen shot that I had taken: Michael seen from the back, with a hand stretched out in the air and facing his audience ! In the montage that I made, it seems like that 2 pics mirror each other! "man in the mirror"?
2. The fact that MjHoaxEvidence used the exact same screenshot to prove that the back cover is in fact a CLUE from Michael
3. The fact that the true location of the back cover contains the names of his 3 children! Paris and the 2 Princes (the 2 boys --> stadium : "Parc des Princes" located in Paris) --> also PARC could mean PARK as in "amusement ParK", like say...Neverland or Disneyland in Paris?
Just wanted to say that I purchased my Bad 25 double CD this afternoon (lovin' it btw) however the picture we are discussing is no where to be found....
Are there several editions of the release?
Thanks Mary
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qiyYIyuiEIk/TbDFIoLb_DI/AAAAAAAACz0/3KOkfUFw1VU/s1600/funny-pictures-cat-cannot-brain-today.jpg)
P-I-T is B-A-D
Michael Jackson, R.I.P.
Catch a chicken with a P-Y-T
All off in Paris
Ooh, oui oui
I've been around the world getting off the chain
And ain't nothing changed
So I made a quick pic comparison with the original pic and the back of my BAD25.
Forgive my crappy work on the montage, I was doing it fast :icon_lol:
The guy wears a RTL shirt.
Left: Back of BAD25 Right: Original pic
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxpic/images/bad25cover.jpg)
Look again Sim. It ought to be there if simply cropped. That's the point.
Look again Sim. It ought to be there if simply cropped. That's the point.
@MaryK, seeing as you were the one to post the 'original' pic in this thread, can I ask where you found it? This is nagging me!
Same I'm desperate to get the DVD. Just got the cd yesterday and have listened to it only once so far. All I will say, IMHO, these tracks weren't recorded in the 80's. Some of the tracks sound like bad album stle music, but others Have a current musical sound. Also Some of the vocals, I agree, sound like a mature MJ. It's incredibly exciting and I haven't even looked into the lyrics deeply. I am sure once I do that especially with hoaxy eyes, I'm going to be absolutely spinning about it all.
:michael-jackson:
Ah MJ you're a gift that keeps on giving. I can not tell you how good it was driving in my car listening to new MJ...
Felt soooo powerful and special. Possibly because of my involvement here, it feels extra special rather than if I never learned of the hoax. Non believers are missing out on the full MJ experience, big time!!
Love you MJ - Love you all x
Happy to see you back, Cameron!! :icon_e_smile:
Here's what I think about this thread.
This T-shirt contains the red logo of RTL, a french radio, one of the biggest of France.
(Website: http://www.rtl.fr/ )
This radio is one of the main partners of this new edition of bad, BAD25.
So, to me, it's simple that they appears on the cover.
Because the back cover of the DVD has the photo of the concert in Paris.
Surely RTL, as the sponsor of the Paris Concert Show in 1988, and as the partner of BAD25, wanted to "legaly" have his logo on the photo.
That's maybe why this was photoshopped with the guy with this T-shirt.
You know what I mean ? Sorry for my bad english, I'm french and I tried to express myself as clear as possible.
Here´s more....not opening a new thread for this, so I put it here.
Ticket reprint in the BAD 25 Deluxe Collectors Edition shows a ticket with the date THURSDAY July 16 1988.
July 16 1988 wasn´t a Thursday ( it was a Saturday), but June 25 2009 was....
(http://imageshack.us/a/img402/9264/badthursday.jpg)
Might be nothing but still...another strange thing :icon_e_wink: