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Title: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: ForstAMoon on March 22, 2011, 02:54:18 PM
Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict (http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/22/dr-arnold-klein-dr-conrad-murray-michael-jackson-demerol-drugs-addict-addition-manslaughter-trial-discovery-witness/)
32 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers just filed blistering legal docs, claiming Dr. Arnold Klein -- Michael Jackson's longtime doctor and friend -- addicted him to Demerol and another powerful narcotic.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/03/22/0322-arnie-klein-michael-jackson-getty-tmz-ex.jpg)

In legal papers obtained by TMZ, Murray's legal team claims Klein fueled MJ's drug dependency by giving him scores of Demerol injections in the months prior to his death.  TMZ broke the story ... in the 3 months before Jackson died, Dr. Klein gave MJ 51 Demerol injections. (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/michael-jackson-affection-for-injection/)

The docs claim, "Due to Mr. Klein's actions, Mr. Jackson became physiologically and psychologically dependent on Demerol."  

Murray's team wants Klein to produce all his medical records, claiming "Dr. Klein is a relevant and highly material witness to the defense."
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Victor on March 22, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
:roll:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 22, 2011, 03:17:34 PM
bout time arnie showed back up  ;)  waiting on randy now.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: VeryLittleSusie on March 22, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
I didn't know Murray and Klein knew each other....
Could this be that Murray was used as a scapegoat by MJ to expose Klein?  :shock:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: mjkate on March 22, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
Now we are going to start to get somewhere. Maybe this will be the start of snagging all the people that Joe said are partly responsible. Arnie will get backed into a corner and he`ll start to spill on the others. Remember Steven Hoeffliener had some big time accusations about Arnie and nothing has come of those for over a year. They gave Arnie so much forewarning and lead time however....will he still have incriminating evidence. The other really interesting thing is that Arnie asked the estate to pay him for the 51 injections so it was no secret and I wonder why he put that on record unless he wanted to for a certain reason i) he wanted to put it out there himself to make it appear that he had nothing to hide...ii) he is in on the hoax and mj wanted the drug addict thing to get out there as a defence for Murray.....iii) 51 is a lot of injections (although he was giving him a facelift apparently so maybe that many were required. If that is true and he did get that many injections - no demerol was found in the autopsy so are they going to try to say that Murray made MJ quit cold turkey and that is why he was using the propofol - to wean a drug addict off his demerol not to put him to sleep.

Also, I will never forget Arnie telling Harvey Levin that Conrad Murray called his office on the morning of June 25th. Arnie wasn`t there to take the call but Jason was. He had previously told Harvey about the conversation and Harvey asked him to tell the TMZ viewers but then Arnie clammed up. There is something up with that.

Does anyone know if patient doctor confidentiality will mean that any information that Arnie does have will remain sealed. In a way I hope so because I don`t want MJ`s private stuff being paraded around.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Le Papillon Bleu on March 22, 2011, 05:13:52 PM
(http://www.weaversway.coop/blog/uploaded_images/pig-723859.jpg)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on March 22, 2011, 06:30:54 PM
I'm referring to:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/michael-j ... injection/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/michael-jackson-affection-for-injection/)
http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/arnie-kle ... on-estate/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/10/28/arnie-klein-goes-after-jackson-estate/)
http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/16/michael-j ... ial-quash/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/16/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-arnold-klein-aeg-randy-phillips-subpoena-manslaughter-trial-quash/)

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... in the 3 months before Jackson died, Dr. Klein gave MJ 51 Demerol injections..

What stands out to me the most is that no dosages of Demerol are mentioned in the articles. 51 times, only the quantity of the injections, are not that many for 3 months IMO, it depends..

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Then, remarkably two days later -- on a Saturday -- Jackson went to Klein's office and got 4 more I.M. Injections to facilitate an injection of the smallest possible dose of Restylane -- a popular wrinkle-filler

Injections 4 times a day could also mean other medications like profylactic antibiotics - which is most likely given before a treatment -, vitamine vaccines (D or B12) etc. and in case Michael really suffered from a chronic pulmonary disorder Alpha-1 antitrypsin deficiency (according to AR), administered daily IM injections are quite common.

Reasons for Procedure
Some medicines are better absorbed when given in the muscle; if taken by mouth, they may not work. Other medicines may be given in the muscle if you are unable to take them by mouth.
Some examples of medicines given using an IM injection:
•   Certain antibiotics
•   Certain contraceptive hormones
•   Most vaccines
•   Epinephrine injections for severe allergic reactions
http://www.mountsinai.org/patient-care/ ... -injection (http://www.mountsinai.org/patient-care/health-library/treatments-and-procedures/intramuscular-injection-self-injection)

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And one prominent L.A. dermatologist says "I.M. Injection" is commonly used as billing code for the narcotic Demerol.  
Sure, it may be true but to me it sounds more like a gossip.

Again, I think that 51 Demerol injections in small doses for that many treatments in 3 months is a common procedure. No big deal.

Though, this article http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/16/michael-j ... ial-quash/ (http://www.tmz.com/2011/03/16/michael-jackson-dr-conrad-murray-arnold-klein-aeg-randy-phillips-subpoena-manslaughter-trial-quash/) says that AEG and 5 other witnesses tried to quash their subpoenas, because obviously they don't want to reveal certain "secrets", which is implying that they are definately hiding something. Murray is desperately searching for allies to proof he's not alone in this. Obviously there's more to it.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: all4loveandbelieve on March 22, 2011, 07:14:30 PM
Oh! I remember that Arnie said to LKL that he injected some sort of medicine around Michael's nose so his nose would be fuller. Never thought he would give him 51 injections of demerol, what is he nuts or what?  I never like Arnie's face, his face is deceiving.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 22, 2011, 07:15:14 PM
i thought klien said he was working with injectable fillers. whatever that is  :?http://www.yourplasticsurgeryguide.com/ ... illers.htm (http://www.yourplasticsurgeryguide.com/injectables-and-fillers/injectable-fillers.htm)

thought to add this . i have wondered how long the effects lasted.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 22, 2011, 07:21:14 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/06/arnie-klein-michael-jackson-entire-tmz-interview-propofol-addiction-nickname/

Debbie Rowe finks on Dr. Arnie Klein
Aug 27, 2009, 9:10 GMT

The late singer's ex-wife anonymously informed officers the dermatologist was supplying the tragic pop star with prescription drugs - including the powerful anaesthetic Propofol, which has been blamed for his death - using a number of different aliases. EPA/AARON LAMBERT/SANTA MARIA

Debbie Rowe allegedly reported Michael Jackson's doctor Arnold Klein to the police.


The late singer's ex-wife anonymously informed officers the dermatologist was supplying the tragic pop star with prescription drugs - including the powerful anaesthetic Propofol, which has been blamed for his death - using a number of different aliases.

Court documents show an "unknown female caller" - believed to be Rowe - told police Michael used names including Omar Arnold, Fernand Diaz, Peter Madonie and Josephine Baker when he saw Klein, to allow the medic to prescribe him extra drugs.

A source told Britain's The Sun newspaper: "Rowe holds Klein totally responsible for Jackson's drug addiction. She believes there is no way he could have got hooked without the help of Klein - and she is potentially the only one who can prove it. She must have suspected what was going on for years."


When police searched Michael's Los Angeles home in June, they discovered a prescription issued by Klein for an Omar Arnold.

Former nurse Rowe - who is the birth mother of Michael's eldest two children, 12-year-old Prince Michael I and Paris, 11 - was working for Klein in the 90s when she started a relationship with the 'King of Pop'.

Earlier this week, the Los Angeles County coroner's report found Michael had died of a cardiac arrest on June 25 caused by a cocktail of drugs - including lethal levels of Propofol - he had been administered to help him sleep.

Michael's personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, is being investigated for manslaughter over the singer's death, which is now being treated as homicide.

The Los Angeles County Coroner's office is currently sorting through discrepancies in Murray's story of events leading up to the death.

His statement says he administered Propofol to Michael at 10.40am and left 10 minutes later to use the bathroom. He claims he discovered an unconscious Michael two minutes later.

However, Murray did not ask security to call emergency services until 12.21pm, after he had reportedly telephoned Klein for advice, called a lawyer and made one other mystery call.

Because of an inconsistency in the late star's body temperature, it is believed he could have died even earlier.

Meanwhile, a 24-year-old man named Prince Michael Malachi Jet Jackson claims he is the singer's secret child.

A creditor's claim was filed in Los Angeles yesterday (26.08.09) by the man requesting a DNA rest to prove he is the biological son of the 'Thriller' singer.

A birth certificate was also submitted, which names Michael Joseph Jackson of Indiana as the father and Zerline LaVette Dixon as his mother.

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/peopl ... rnie-Klein (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1497692.php/Debbie-Rowe-finks-on-Dr-Arnie-Klein)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: paula-c on March 22, 2011, 07:26:00 PM
Murray blame Arnie, and Arnie who blame after, :?:  be other doctors accused :?:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 22, 2011, 07:29:17 PM
ok would someone else please look at this picture of debbie and see it looks like vitaligo on her face. either i really have cracked or someone is messing with the pictures. oh well maybe i could use a short vacation and a few meds. :(
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 22, 2011, 07:31:27 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
ok would someone else please look at this picture of debbie and see it looks like vitaligo on her face. either i really have cracked or someone is messing with the pictures. oh well maybe i could use a short vacation and a few meds. :(

I think it's all to do with the lighting !  ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: paula-c on March 22, 2011, 07:31:34 PM
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2011/03/22/0322-arnie-klein-michael-jackson-getty-tmz-ex.jpg)

......TMZ knows choose photos, it seems as if Michael and Arnie be discussing :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 22, 2011, 07:40:57 PM
However, Murray did not ask security to call emergency services until 12.21pm, after he had reportedly telephoned Klein for advice, called a lawyer and made one other mystery call.

So the plot thickens....I don't remember there being any other news suggesting that Murray called Klein for advice, and he also had time to call his girlfriend and a lawyer !!
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Andrea on March 22, 2011, 07:41:36 PM
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In legal papers obtained by TMZ, Murray's legal team claims Klein fueled MJ's drug dependency by giving him scores of Demerol injections in the months prior to his death. TMZ broke the story ... in the 3 months before Jackson died, Dr. Klein gave MJ 51 Demerol injections.

The underlined is a link in that article to this one:

MJ and Klein -- Affection for Injections
10/27/2009 10:19 PM PDT by TMZ Staff  

UPDATE: A closer look at the documents reveals another shocking fact -- in April, Jackson received ELEVEN "I.M. Injections" in 3 days.

Arnold Klein injected Michael Jackson with an intra-muscular drug labeled "I.M. Injection" 51 times in three months, this according to documents filed by Arnold Klein himself.

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/10/28/1027_klein_doc_launch_ex_2-1.jpg)

And one prominent L.A. dermatologist says "I.M. Injection" is commonly used as billing code for the narcotic Demerol.

In the documents, most of the procedures appear to be minor, such as acne treatments, lip treatments and Botox -- yet "I.M. Injection" appears over and over on Michael's bill, sometimes several times a day. The I.M. Injections correspond to the dates of the minor treatments.

In one particular case, Jackson went to Klein on April 23rd and received three "I.M. Injections" at $60 a pop.

Then, remarkably two days later -- on a Saturday -- Jackson went to Klein's office and got 4 more I.M. Injections to facilitate an injection of the smallest possible dose of Restylane -- a popular wrinkle-filler.

According to the docs, Arnie Klein -- Jackson's self-described good friend -- charged Jackson $7500 for the weekend visit.

Jackson's three month bill: $48,522.89.

__________________________________________________________________________

The term "I.M. Injections" is used 7 times.  The number ELEVEN also appears in this article.   And TMZ provided Michael's "bill" from Arnie Klein.

http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/102 ... son_wm.pdf (http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/1027_klein_jackson_wm.pdf)

The "I.M. Injections" are what we're supposed to be looking for in it, since it was pointed out SEVEN times in the article.

When you look at the bill, you will see several of the I.M. INJECTION followed by FINE LINE NEEDLE.

This is what I see:

I.M.
FINE


I am fine.  

A huge clue or am I reading too much into this?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 22, 2011, 08:16:22 PM
NEEDLE little more time  ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 22, 2011, 08:41:24 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
NEEDLE little more time  ;)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: voiceforthesilent on March 22, 2011, 09:21:15 PM
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When you look at the bill, you will see several of the I.M. INJECTION followed by FINE LINE NEEDLE.

This is what I see:

I.M.
FINE

I am fine.

LOL - I remember reading this when it came out and even since then. I am not sure anyone's come up with what you two have...I am fine.

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by suspicious mind » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:16 pm
NEEDLE little more time ;)

This could easily mean "I need a little more time".

I do remember that we were supposed to read between the lines and also pay attention to capitals so this falls in line with those instructions. Great job my hoaxer friends :)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 22, 2011, 10:12:19 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
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When you look at the bill, you will see several of the I.M. INJECTION followed by FINE LINE NEEDLE.

This is what I see:

I.M.
FINE

I am fine.

LOL - I remember reading this when it came out and even since then. I am not sure anyone's come up with what you two have...I am fine.

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by suspicious mind » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:16 pm
NEEDLE little more time ;)

This could easily mean "I need a little more time".

I do remember that we were supposed to read between the lines and also pay attention to capitals so this falls in line with those instructions. Great job my hoaxer friends :)


  :oops:  aw shucks we were just kidding around and ... :idea:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Andrea on March 22, 2011, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
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When you look at the bill, you will see several of the I.M. INJECTION followed by FINE LINE NEEDLE.

This is what I see:

I.M.
FINE

I am fine.

LOL - I remember reading this when it came out and even since then. I am not sure anyone's come up with what you two have...I am fine.

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by suspicious mind » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:16 pm
NEEDLE little more time ;)

This could easily mean "I need a little more time".

I do remember that we were supposed to read between the lines and also pay attention to capitals so this falls in line with those instructions. Great job my hoaxer friends :)

I saw the I.M. FINE when the bill was first published but didn't say anything until today because I thought I was losing it.   :lol:   I figured I would finally throw it out there.  But it was just today when I re-read the older article that I saw the "I.M. Injections" was cited 7 times in that article.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: scorpionchik on March 23, 2011, 12:05:53 AM
"Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyers just filed blistering legal docs, claiming Dr. Arnold Klein -- Michael Jackson's longtime doctor and friend -- addicted him to Demerol and another powerful narcotic."

OMG,  this can't be serious. No matter who made Michael addict to medications in the past, Murrey's is liable for breaching the standard of care and it does not relieve him from negligence.
On those who made MJ addict, should separate investigation be processed which might be the case with hoax if FBI involved.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Grace on March 23, 2011, 12:33:13 AM
Harvey, copyright for this story belongs to Annieisnotokey.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: PureLove on March 23, 2011, 05:32:17 AM
Quote from: "Andrea"
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"
Quote
When you look at the bill, you will see several of the I.M. INJECTION followed by FINE LINE NEEDLE.

This is what I see:

I.M.
FINE

I am fine.

LOL - I remember reading this when it came out and even since then. I am not sure anyone's come up with what you two have...I am fine.

Quote
by suspicious mind » Tue Mar 22, 2011 6:16 pm
NEEDLE little more time ;)

This could easily mean "I need a little more time".

I do remember that we were supposed to read between the lines and also pay attention to capitals so this falls in line with those instructions. Great job my hoaxer friends :)

I saw the I.M. FINE when the bill was first published but didn't say anything until today because I thought I was losing it.   :lol:   I figured I would finally throw it out there.  But it was just today when I re-read the older article that I saw the "I.M. Injections" was cited 7 times in that article.

I think we all lose it sometimes and I do believe that we need to lose it to see the invisible. ;) So it is good to lose it in a good way. :D That's very interesting what you two wrote. It can be both I'm Fine or I need a little more time. Such a very good catch ladies. :)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: ~Souza~ on March 23, 2011, 05:45:29 AM
If he made him so addictive to demerol, then why did he beg for propofol and not demerol?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: GINAFELICIA on March 23, 2011, 05:55:18 AM
How do they know there were 51 and not 48 or 52  :?  ?

Oh, now I see it was that bill but I counted 52....but how do they know there was demerol injected and not something else?
Anyway, I knew MJ was afraid of needles...strange.

And why he was singing a song about Demerol   :? ?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 23, 2011, 06:21:40 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
If he made him so addictive to demerol, then why did he beg for propofol and not demerol?


could this somehow be to show that klien participated in an organized effort to paint michael as an addict?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: jacilovesmichael on March 23, 2011, 08:45:42 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
Quote from: "~Souza~"
If he made him so addictive to demerol, then why did he beg for propofol and not demerol?


could this somehow be to show that klien participated in an organized effort to paint michael as an addict?

Also, wasn't the original story of MJ's "death" that he died of a demerol overdose? And then suddenly it changed to propofol??? Wonder why? Also, let's not forget the lyrics to his song "Morphine"..."Demerol...demerol...oh god he's taking demerol..."  - I always sense a sarcastic/overdramatic undertone when listening to that song. I don't for one second believe Michael was addicted to Demerol...and like you said Souza, if he was, then why beg for Propofol? Makes zero sense.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: everlastinglove_MJ on March 23, 2011, 08:49:59 AM
Former Jackson Doctor Claims Michael 'Had Lethal Amounts Of Demerol & Propofol'
Updated 2:00 AM EDT, Fri, Jul 24, 2009 | Print

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 Dr. Steven Hoefflin, a longtime friend and doctor Michael Jackson, has claimed that the King of Pop "had lethal amounts of Demerol and Propofol in his body" at the time of his death.

In an interview on Thursday with Access Hollywood, Hoefflin, who performed surgery on Jackson after he sustained second and third degree burns while filming his 1984 Pepsi commercial, claimed he was speaking out on the authorization of his late friend's mother, Katherine Jackson, to put rumors to rest.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Michael Jackson's Staples Center Public Memorial

Hoefflin claimed he last provided care for Michael in 1998, and participated in a 2002 intervention for the star.

Hoefflin claimed to Access that according to a reliable source of his, Jackson's toxicology report indicated Michael "had lethal amounts of Demerol and Propofol in his body" when he died on June 25. Results from the LA Coroner's official autopsy of Jackson have yet to be publicly released.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Michael Jackson Death Investigation: Who's Who?

Hoefflin claimed that the Demerol came from Dr. Arnold Klein – Michael's dermatologist – and the Propofol came from Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal physician in the weeks before his death.

Further, Hoefflin claimed it was Jackson himself who told him about his heavy drug intake — at the time of his intervention.

"Michael told me Dr. Klein was injecting him with massive amounts of Demerol" in 2002, Hoefflin claimed.

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Hollywood Remembers Michael Jackson

And authorities searched Murray's Houston office on Wednesday as they looked for what a Murray lawyer described as "evidence… of manslaughter."

On July 6, Murray's lawyer stated on his firm's Web site, "Dr. Murray didn't prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson."

When asked by Access if the family planned to "go after" those they believed were involved in Jackson's death, Hoefflin said they would.

"Of course they are," he said, adding an additional claim that Klein had given Jackson a number of drugs over the years.

"Dr. Klein is the one who made his face white by using Benoquin, a permanent bleaching agent," Hoefflin claimed. "[Michael] had Lupus and it was made worse by Dr. Klein's massive injections of collagen. Patients who have lupus should not have collagen… For many years, Dr. Klein was using the very powerful cortisone Celestine to inject into the deep pimples on Michael's face and nose – cortisone injections can thin out tissue in the face. I told him that he should not have any further injections… as it was thinning out his face and nose… [And Klein] was prescribing him narcotics under an alias name, Omar Arnold."

When reached for comment by Access, a spokesperson for Klein released a statement on Thursday, which did not directly address the allegations.

"The Coroner's Office again confirmed that Dr. Klein is not the subject of the death investigation," the spokesperson said in Thursday's statement. "Dr. Klein should not to be cast with the lot of other physicians who may or may not have anything to do with any investigation into the death of Mr. Jackson. The Coroner's Office has a security hold on the investigation and will not further comment. Dr. Klein is doing the same so as not to jeopardize the integrity of the Coroner's investigation.
"Dr. Klein has been maligned in the press by sources who have profit making agendas and/or have been paid by media companies who have given them an unfettered public forum in which to spout fiction and innuendo for cash," the spokesperson continued.
Hoefflin maintained to Access he has not been paid for his interviews — including one in Britain's The Sun, which ran on Thursday.
In a correct investigation all options/possible suspects should be considered and investigated. Klein seems to be protected. By whom? AEG, authorities??

A spokesperson for Murray also responded with a statement to Access on Thursday.

"Until we get tangible results, we are not going to respond to someone's theory about how Michael Jackson died. We don't know how Michael Jackson died," the spokesperson stated.

During his interview with Access, Hoefflin said the Jackson family would also go after unofficial biographer Ian Halperin, who just released his new book, "Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson," earlier this month. Halperin has claimed in his book that the pop star was gay and that greed led to his death.

Hoefflin said fans should "boycott the book and burn it on the street." Definately :!:

A rep for Halperine declined to comment when contacted by Access.

Denying the gay allegation, Hoefflin, who Michael lived with the doctor during the time surrounding his 1987 album "Bad," also said he previously took the singer to the Playboy mansion.

"All the time, Michael was commenting on the beautiful women," he said.

Hoefflin also put down a number of stories circulating about the pop star, including one report that Michael had a hole where his nose should have been.

The LA coroner made an "involuntary error," Hoefflin said of the report, noting Jackson wore a compressive tape that he used to shape his nose on a nightly basis — not a prosthetic, which he thought may have confused the coroner.

"I believe that the coroner's office is profoundly competent and did a commendable job in their postmortem examination of Michael Jackson," he said. "It is my belief that the Los Angeles Coroner has made involuntary errors in their description of the anatomical findings."

Hoefflin said he has not been questioned by the police, but he's "sure [he] will be a witness." Was he?? Or would he be too honest in his statements about Klein and not suitable to the trial?? :x

Finally, Hoefflin denied doing the last plastic surgery on Jackson, which he claimed was done by another Beverly Hills plastic surgeon and attended by Klein.

A spokesperson for Jackson family attorney Londell McMillan was not immediately available for comment when contacted by Access.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment ... ofol_.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/entertainment/celebrity/Former_Jackson_Doctor_Claims_Michael__Had_Lethal_Amounts_Of_Demerol___Propofol_.html)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: kdkennedy74 on March 23, 2011, 09:17:22 AM
Fine line needles are just that...they are used to inject collagen, Botox, Restlyn, etc into the fine lines or wrinkles of the skin when doing fillings.

Do these people really think that we will not research everything that they say down to the finest letter...haven't we all been doing this long enough that they should know we will figure out their lies  :lol:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Integrity on March 23, 2011, 01:13:40 PM
He was addicted to prescription in the past! No one is denying this..
What is up with these people!!
The point of the matter is Dr. Murray was his Doctor and he administered those drugs and handled everything as if he was a lunatic. It really does not matter if he was addicted or not and if he was he should have known better than to continue giving him drugs. He should have gotten MJ help if he was addicted and if he was or whoever was he should have stopped everything and said to MJ I can no longer be your Doctor if we do not leave here right now and get you admitted to a place to get you off of these drugs...And if MJ or whoever said no than he should have walked out.. Point blank...

Again who was it he gave all that medicine to?  
Makes you wonder! :?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 23, 2011, 08:36:53 PM
IM (intramuscular) injections are used commonly for lots of certain drugs.

It just means in the muscle.

It was Arnold Klein that twittered that MJ would never inject himself...that he was needle phobic !!!!

As Michael Jackson's physician for 25 years i can assure the world he could never self-inject. He was needle phobic.
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Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 23, 2011, 09:10:39 PM
so are these guys not in violation of the hipaa laws telling this stuff. seems that ms lee was supposed to have been fined for telling according to geralden hughes face book .
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: 2good2btrue on March 23, 2011, 10:40:28 PM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
so are these guys not in violation of the hipaa laws telling this stuff. seems that ms lee was supposed to have been fined for telling according to geralden hughes face book .

Arnie twittered this when Murray was using the excuse that Michael injected himself with the fatal dose...

It was then, that Arnie stepped in, in MJ's defense and told the world that he never  would or could do that !!

And yes, I work in the Medical field and we are trained religiously about patient confidentiality...........that is a real no no in this field.  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Integrity on March 24, 2011, 09:18:23 AM
It does not matter if he was addicted to drugs FOR THAT IS NOT WHY HE IS IN COURT FACING MURDER!!!!!!

THE DOCTOR IS AT FAULT FOR SUPPLYING THE DRUGS & FOR DRUGGING HIM TO DEATH AND FOR HANDELING HIS PAIENT AS IF HE THE DOCTOR WAS A MADMAN :evil:  :twisted:  

Whoever that man was Dr. Murray was medicating to death died a horrible death!

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS BEING PRESENTED IN COURT AS EVIDENCE!

THE MAN WAS FOUND DEAD LOOKING PALE OLD SICKLY HOSPICE AIDS PATIENT WHO HAS BEEN MEDICATED TO DEATH ALL NIGHT LONG AND HAVING A CATHETER AND AN IV STUCK IN HIM CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN MUSTER ENOUGH STRENGTH THROUGH ALL OF THIS MADNESS WAS ABLE TO DRUG HIMSELF AND BREAK A SYRINGE AND NOW IT IS HIS FAULT BECAUSE HE INJECTED HIMSELF AND MIGHT ME ADDICTED TO DRUGS!  :evil:  :twisted:  

IS THIS REAL OR A JOKE????????????????????/ :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  

THIS IS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING OR BELIEF!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:    

I AM ALSO SHOCKED THAT THERE WAS NO STRING OR A BUTTON FOR HIM TO PUSH OR PULL IF HE NEEDED SOMEONE OR IF HE FELL OFF OF THE BED!!  

I PRAY THIS IS A HOAX AND THAT WAS NOT A REAL PERSON FOR IF IT WAS A REAL LIVING PERSON THAN DR. MURRAY SHOULD BE ON TRIAL FOR MURDER, MALICE, MUTILATION, INHUMANE ACT AGAINST GOD AND MAN AND HE SHOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON FOR MAKING ANYONE SUFFER AND DIE IN SUCH AN UGLY AND HORRIBLE WAY.
 :evil:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: suspicious mind on March 24, 2011, 09:32:44 AM
Quote from: "Integrity"
It does not matter if he was addicted to drugs FOR THAT IS NOT WHY HE IS IN COURT FACING MURDER!!!!!! actually it might. isn't there something about administering to a known addict? anyone know? thing is this wouldn't help his case any unless it goes beyond michael.
THE DOCTOR IS AT FAULT FOR SUPPLYING THE DRUGS & FOR DRUGGING HIM TO DEATH AND FOR HANDELING HIS PAIENT AS IF HE THE DOCTOR WAS A MADMAN :evil:  :twisted:  

Whoever that man was Dr. Murray was medicating to death died a horrible death!

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS BEING PRESENTED IN COURT AS EVIDENCE!

THE MAN WAS FOUND DEAD LOOKING PALE OLD SICKLY HOSPICE AIDS PATIENT WHO HAS BEEN MEDICATED TO DEATH ALL NIGHT LONG AND HAVING A CATHETER AND AN IV STUCK IN HIM CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN MUSTER ENOUGH STRENGTH THROUGH ALL OF THIS MADNESS WAS ABLE TO DRUG HIMSELF AND BREAK A SYRINGE AND NOW IT IS HIS FAULT BECAUSE HE INJECTED HIMSELF AND MIGHT ME ADDICTED TO DRUGS!  :evil:  :twisted:  

IS THIS REAL OR A JOKE????????????????????/ :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  

THIS IS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING OR BELIEF!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:    

I AM ALSO SHOCKED THAT THERE WAS NO STRING OR A BUTTON FOR HIM TO PUSH OR PULL IF HE NEEDED SOMEONE OR IF HE FELL OFF OF THE BED!!  

I PRAY THIS IS A HOAX AND THAT WAS NOT A REAL PERSON FOR IF IT WAS A REAL LIVING PERSON THAN DR. MURRAY SHOULD BE ON TRIAL FOR MURDER, MALICE, MUTILATION, INHUMANE ACT AGAINST GOD AND MAN AND HE SHOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON FOR MAKING ANYONE SUFFER AND DIE IN SUCH AN UGLY AND HORRIBLE WAY.
 :evil:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: GINAFELICIA on March 24, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
Demerol is in fact morphine and is used as a pain killer?
Propofol is used as an anesthetic and not a pain killer. I don't know if Propofol, traded under Diprivan name, has something to do with morphine or is a completely different substance.


Anyway, was Michael that stupid to ask for morphine all the time :? ?
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: Grace on March 26, 2011, 09:05:31 AM
Quote from: "Integrity"
It does not matter if he was addicted to drugs FOR THAT IS NOT WHY HE IS IN COURT FACING MURDER!!!!!! [....]

Peligroso estado de ánimo.
Tenga cuidado de ti mismo.

This board should not be a place for hate and aggression AT ALL.
But if one needs to let loose some temper, this would be an excellent place to colour this

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here:
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and spare regular threads of any negativity.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Dr. Murray: Arnie Klein Made MJ a Demerol Addict
Post by: PureLove on March 26, 2011, 09:09:37 AM
Quote from: "Integrity"
It does not matter if he was addicted to drugs FOR THAT IS NOT WHY HE IS IN COURT FACING MURDER!!!!!!

THE DOCTOR IS AT FAULT FOR SUPPLYING THE DRUGS & FOR DRUGGING HIM TO DEATH AND FOR HANDELING HIS PAIENT AS IF HE THE DOCTOR WAS A MADMAN :evil:  :twisted:  

Whoever that man was Dr. Murray was medicating to death died a horrible death!

I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS BEING PRESENTED IN COURT AS EVIDENCE!

THE MAN WAS FOUND DEAD LOOKING PALE OLD SICKLY HOSPICE AIDS PATIENT WHO HAS BEEN MEDICATED TO DEATH ALL NIGHT LONG AND HAVING A CATHETER AND AN IV STUCK IN HIM CAN ALL OF A SUDDEN MUSTER ENOUGH STRENGTH THROUGH ALL OF THIS MADNESS WAS ABLE TO DRUG HIMSELF AND BREAK A SYRINGE AND NOW IT IS HIS FAULT BECAUSE HE INJECTED HIMSELF AND MIGHT ME ADDICTED TO DRUGS!  :evil:  :twisted:  

IS THIS REAL OR A JOKE????????????????????/ :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  

THIS IS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING OR BELIEF!!!!  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:    

I AM ALSO SHOCKED THAT THERE WAS NO STRING OR A BUTTON FOR HIM TO PUSH OR PULL IF HE NEEDED SOMEONE OR IF HE FELL OFF OF THE BED!!  

I PRAY THIS IS A HOAX AND THAT WAS NOT A REAL PERSON FOR IF IT WAS A REAL LIVING PERSON THAN DR. MURRAY SHOULD BE ON TRIAL FOR MURDER, MALICE, MUTILATION, INHUMANE ACT AGAINST GOD AND MAN AND HE SHOULD GET LIFE IN PRISON FOR MAKING ANYONE SUFFER AND DIE IN SUCH AN UGLY AND HORRIBLE WAY.
 :evil:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:

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