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Why are people being hostile?This event was always coming,it's always been real and the facts remain.Everyone is entitled to an opinion,no one's is less important than another so why is there such a negative vibe running through the last few pages of the thread?That isn't what it's about.Every person here has their own view of what's going on so lets respect one another and KW.xo
GUYS.. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WAS MICHAEL ON THE BED OR ON THE FLOOR???
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"GUYS.. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WAS MICHAEL ON THE BED OR ON THE FLOOR???Depends what room you are talking about:Michael's bedroom, the guest room, Doc Murray's room? For a CPR I would assume first on the bed and then on the floor?For situps first on the floor and then into a shower and then into the bed?The face in the ambulance pic was PERFECTLY shaved.No way that one was showing a man after a sleepless night.
CPR VIP: that’s the text message I received from Jeff at 2:38 PM yesterday. I am not going to write the name here because I don’t want search engines to turn it up but I think you know who I mean. As you know, Jeff’s fire station is in Bel Air and they got the emergency call. Jeff said they used everything in their paramedic kits and worked on him for 45 minutes taking turns doing chest compressions. He’s pretty sure he was gone before they got there. They went to UCLA medical center with him and had to stay quite a long time. I could see Jeff’s rescue ambulance- 71’s- on the news at the ER entrance for hours. He finally called me around 7 PM and still couldn’t say much. He was warned that the paparazzi can intercept cellphone calls. Back at his fire station, he was fielding phone calls from TMZ and other celebrity websites looking for information. Of course, he is saying, “No comment.” All of the guys on Jeff’s crew had cellphones with cameras but not one took a photo. That would be a million dollar photo. I asked him what I could write today and he said that he would only be comfortable with this… so that’s all for now. We also lost Farrah Fawcett yesterday and that was a long, hard brave struggle that she fought. I had the Farrah Flip back in the 1970’s… we all did.
2.26pm (10.26pm) - Jackson is officially pronounced dead.2.35pm (10.35pm) – Fire official tells LA Times that Jackson is in hospital. This is then reported by Associated Press2.44pm (10.44pm) - TMZ.com breaks news Jackson has died, leading Google to crash.
Given these things, it is possible that the trial is not a fake in itself. It may be that this a real court proceeding in an effort to show how the courts can be manipulated, as part of an ARG scenario and/or a sort of "live action drama" being played out before the entire world. A Vendetta even. This also shows how the legal system can get it so wrong, how the media can report things without really investigating or asking pertinent questions. It could also be in an effort to try to open the general publics eyes to the all the inconstancies, get them asking questions and awaken even more people to the idea that Michael Jackson is actually alive.
This is definitely going to be a roller coaster! And it is going to last for a long time. If some of you are old enough, Do you all remember the OJ Simpson court case. It lasted for a very long time and it wasn't as high profile as MJ. I am actually very surprised that MJ's case is not televised. OJ's was. I can remember coming home from work, wanting nothing more than to relax and watch my soap oprahs, but I couldn't because this case was on the tv. If you feel that you are getting overwhelmed with it. Take a break from this site. This is not the time for all of us to be falling apart and giving up hope that he is alive. Like many have said before, we all knew this day was coming. We just need to remember that this is just prelim. The judge is trying to figure out if there is enough evidence to proceed to trial.
Quote from: "dragonflylilies"This is definitely going to be a roller coaster! And it is going to last for a long time. If some of you are old enough, Do you all remember the OJ Simpson court case. It lasted for a very long time and it wasn't as high profile as MJ. I am actually very surprised that MJ's case is not televised. OJ's was. I can remember coming home from work, wanting nothing more than to relax and watch my soap oprahs, but I couldn't because this case was on the tv. If you feel that you are getting overwhelmed with it. Take a break from this site. This is not the time for all of us to be falling apart and giving up hope that he is alive. Like many have said before, we all knew this day was coming. We just need to remember that this is just prelim. The judge is trying to figure out if there is enough evidence to proceed to trial.I can certainly remember the OJ trial and was indeed glued to my TV. If you think of all the things that were televised regarding the OJ case it does seem somewhat strange that we have nothing at all of importance in the MJ case.
Friday, January 7, 2011Dr. Conrad Murray Prelim: Day 4 Part IIThis is an unedited, DRAFT entry. I've posted this without edit to give you news as quickly as possible, so please understand there are typos and could be some information that is not as clear as the MSM reports, or 100% accurate. ~ Sprocket#15 Elissa FleakWhere employed LA Co. Coroner Investigator. Performs Investigations at scenes. Notify family Write reports for pathologists. Assist investigation. 8 years (in job).Working in that capacity in June 2009Learned of the death of entertainer MJ? Yes I did.In response to learning that information did you respond to UCLA medical center?What time did you respond. Can I check my notes? Yes. I arrived at hospital at 17:20 hours.At UCLA ? Yes 5 :20 pm? correct.At your arrival to UCLA did you make physical observations of the decadent?To perform an external body examination. Anything I could infer, to the cause of death, for my report?Looking for wounds, knife wounds? Yes.Did not find anything at that time.Obtained 4 vials of blood from UCLA staff labeled Gershwin (gives label #)? Yes. Correct.Were those vials of blood logged into the coroners office? Yes.Was to preserve them ? Yes for toxicology purposes.On that date did you respond to that location of 100 N Carolwood. LA Yes. After ER room, I went to the house. To observe the scene investigation.She specifically did an investigation of that bedroom area.Exhibit on the ELMO. Identified where she was told the decedent was before taken to the hospital. Photo of the two tables, night stands, she identifies them.People’s 9. Recognize? Yes. the diagram of the second floor of the house. Depicts the bedroom you just described? Yes.At this point did you begin taking photographs and documenting some of the items you found relevant to pertaining to cause of death.Yes.Begin with any prescription . Yes, I began with several pill bottles on the night stand rigt next to the bed.Did you document inventory. yes I did.documented on a coroners 3A form Yes I did.Do you remember what perscirptions you recovered? Yes I do.What did you recover? flomax clonazapan, diazapam, lorazapam, tomazapam, trazadone tiziaandine.Also collected several pill bottles, tubes of lotion. Hydrocodone. tube of lidocane lotion. That was it on the night stand.How about benequin. Yes. There was benequin. Lotion in a tube? Yes it was.Did you document who prescribed? of the diazapam Dr. Mflomax Murraylotion of lidocane Murraymirazapam Murraytomazapam Murrayflonazapam MetzgerTrizadone Metzget(last one) Dr. Klein.Photos of a night stand, close up of table next to night stand,Do you see the two separate tables. photo.Describes another photo of area where prescription bottles were.in a basket in the lower shelf of one of the tables. And on other areas of the table.Tube of lidocaine lotion on table. There was a syringe on the table and one on the ground as well, next to the bed.The plunger and the top part of the syringe. (to which you would attach a needle) Yes.New photos of syringes, of oxygen tank, other items.Identifying photos with more items IV bag with connected tubing.Blue “ambu” bag. goes to a nasal cannula. I did describe it as a “broken” syringe because the two pieces are separated from each other. I should have ...they’re not broken.Syringe on the table, needle on the floor, they may have been together they may not have been. correct.Was there also an IV stand....I think someone was knocking at door....bailiff got up.If you were facing at the bed, at the foot of the bed at the head of the bed it would be to your right? Yes. (IV stand)I’m starting to yawn. I got less than four hours of sleep last night. It’s going to be a long two hours now.Showing her photos of nightstand and IV stand and IV kit attached. Yes. Describes where everything is. It’s a saline bag.In addition to observations of what you described. Did you locate a ju that appears to be a jug of urine. there was a chair behind and to the left of you that had a bottle of urine and several urine pads. Peoples 35.Identifies the items in the photo.Medical type container for holding urine.? correctRecovered an open box of disposable hypodermic needles? Yes. It was on the two tables as well. Recovered IV catheters? Yes. Is it all documented in your form? Yes it is.Recovered an empty vial of propofol and tomazinil?? Between the two night standsMore photographs presented.Was this an empty full, partially full bottle of propofol? It was empty.Verifies where the propofol vial was oo the floor.200 mg bottle of propofol? Yes.Now did you return to the location of 100 N Carolwood June 29th 2009? Yes continued your investigation? Yes.Photos for clarification. Describe if you well, if you would walk from this area, bedroom 2 closed.It’s an attached room lined with wooden closets lined with wood. About the size of a regular room? Yes.She went into this closet area. recovered items that were logged into evidence?Was that logged (the syringes) as medical evidence #1? yes.Describes how items were logged into evidence and the numbers given.People’s 39, 40, 41, 42 43 44 45 photos.Ppl 39. This is the closet area. Wooden cabinet area. Shows evidence that she collected on 29th. Showing ppls 40 close up of same items. Some bags as well as some plastic bags containing items. Did you remove those items from that cabinet and inventory them on that day? Yes I did.Is this a photo of some of those items after being laid out on a table.Yes it is.Describe1 black square bag with a zipper. recovered from cabinet area.1 dark blue bag with a zipper with Costco on the outside.light blue and brown colored bag. With a zipper with baby essentials bag .Misc. medical suppliesAs well as creams? Yes bag full of bedoquin lotions. Yes, those are bottles, tubes of lotions.Did you empty and inventory the contents of these items? Yes I did.This box, a black pressure cuff?bottles? three bottles of lidocaine. vials. of lidocaine.Check notes to remember if the bottles were full or not. 2 were empty and one of them had some liquid in it. All three of them had been opened.They were 30 mil bottles.Large dark blue Costco bag.Large blue Costco bag.Did you find saline bag that had been apparently cut open? Yes I did.Find anything in that saline bag? A bottle of propofol inside that cut open bag.Photo shown.Yes, (that’s what she found)Can you describe what I’m showing can you describe?It’s a slit in the bag.Did you take this photograph..That was the propofol bottle that was inside the IV bag?Yes.In addition the IV bag with the slit in and the100 mg propofol you mentioned what else did you find. 20 ml bottle of propofol bottle.back to 100 ml bottle It was open and had liquid in it.20ml open with liquid in it.10 mi morazapam bottle open with liquid in it.2 bottles of midazalom 10 ml both open both had liquid in them.Was there any other items in there? bloody piece of gauze A bag of miscelaneous packaging medical packaging and finger pulse monitor.Also did same inventory of the light blue and brown baby essentials bag.2 100ml bottles of propofol2 20 ml bottles of propolf unopened(3?) bottles of 203 20 ml bottles of lidocaine opened.1 30 mil bottle of lido unopened20 ml bottle of diazolam openedI can’t keep up. more unopened. 5 mi dia? opened.1 4ml ? opened1 4ml of diazopam unopened.Where these other items.Red pill bottle with no label that contained 14 caples turend out ot be emphederine. Over the counter night drops.Five bus cards of Dr. Murray.and IV clampblue strip of rubber.Recognized the rubber as used for a tourniquet.n total, looking at contents of both bags, is accurate to say, there were 11 bottles of propofol? correctIn addition to the one empty bottle on the floor of propofol there were a total of 12 bottles of propofol. is it true there were six bottles of lidocaine? I’d have to count.Could you please? Six correct. In addition to the lidocaine lotion. Correct.Another photo exhibit. Photo of some of the contents of the baby’s essentials bag.Describes the items that were all in the photo...medicines.Nothing further.CROSS FLANAGAN.You made a search of the bedroom on 25th in the evening? Yes. And that’s where you obtained all of the photos and the bed and the surrounding the bed.Some were taken on the 29th.I was told by detectives additional information medical evidence at the house.They told you Dr. Murray told them a location and what they had?Did they tell you the interview that they had was from Dr. Murray? Yes Obj sust stricken.did they tell you what information that had that you obj on? obj sustWhy did you go back on the 29th. I was told there was additional evidence at the house.detective smith. did he tell you what there was? no.Did he tell you where to look? Yes. In that closet room.Had you looked in that room ion the 25th. I did not. I may have glanced in the room but I did not search it.So you went back looking for evidence that detective smith said would be there. Yes.Did you search any of the other items. any of the other drawers/ yes.Was all of the stuff that you found that you took int your custody, was all in that one little are, (lists the bag)Those three bags were found in that cabinet yes.When you wen through and searched all the drawers and cabinets in that room, did you ever find a trash bag?What type of trash bag?Like a grocery trash bag? NoIn the plastic bag, there was something that was crumpled up...Discussion about bag, and biggies.It was clear plastic bag about a gallon. There was no zipper, it was just open at the top.There was clumped up plastics, like disposable syringes, thacaging surrounding syringes, tissues, crumpled up.Like anything that had biological material on it?(missed answered) I’m almost falling asleep.It was in the Costco plastic bag, but I don’t remember specifically if it was crumpled up.Questions now about the IV bag with the propofol bottle in it. Questioning her about how much was left in the bottle. She didn’t inventory for amount any bottles that were opened.Notes printed, residual. She means the bag was fingerprinted. She doesn’t remember how many bottles were full or less full, she didn’t document that at the time.You fingerprinted? I didn’t fingerprint.Notes mean, the bottle was open, it had liquid in it and it was fingerprinted.At this time, I believe it was possible to be fingerprinted. We at not fingerprinted at that time when I wrote my notes.You didn’t use the term positive for liquid you just have residual. “In my mind it means the same thing. It was just how I was taking notes.The black square bags. One things you have listed, it’s crossed out. It ‘s just a number 2. the first item was the firs bag. I’m not getting this.I don’t know why I crossed that number out.2 vials... Empty means there was on liquid in it that I could see.Clarifies her notes how she listed the items.The Costco bag was a mixture of of partially used and full bottles? Did they all have liquid in them? Yes. Some were partially used? Correct.The IV from the IV bag. Last page of your worksheet. “IV bag from the IV stand.”Did it have liquid in it? Yes.Did you have it fineger printed? I don’t remember.This IV bag had some tubing coming down from it. Yes. And in the tubing hand an IV in it?half way from the tubing there was a clamp and that clamp had a syringe in it.The plunger was depressed. I don’t remember if there was a small amount of liqued in the syringe?Was the plunger completely depressed? I don’t remember exactly where it was.Was there residue? I don’t remember?Was there more tubing below that IV port? yes.Did that tubing have liquid in it? I don’t remember?Did the tubing above it have liquid in it? yes.Was that clear? YesWas the IV bag clear? Yes.Did it have a milky appearance to it? It was clear.When you went back on the 29th, was this the only thing you collected from the bedroom? yes.?One of the items, I think this bag, fingerprint dust, the only you remember is from the IV bag itself? Yes.Rember that the IV bag had about 1/2 to 3/4 full when it was hanging.You were on the 25th, and you found quite a few things. Can I have the photographs?
Why do doctors experienced a major medical center like UCLA would try to resurrect a dead patient for at 2 hours? They did not consider the possibility of brain death?
