Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TMZ.com => Michael Jackson News => TMZ Articles => Topic started by: *Mo* on November 07, 2010, 09:56:36 AM
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La Toya Jackson: That's Not Michael
15 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
Add La Toya Jackson to the list of Jackson family members who don't think the new song "Breaking News" really contains Michael Jackson's voice.
Watch video: http://www.tmz.com/?mediaKey=24c53697-9 ... reURL=true (http://www.tmz.com/?mediaKey=24c53697-99cb-42b6-939f-1cbbe4bc06b0&isShareURL=true)
As we previously reported, Michael's mom, Katherine, and two of his kids, Prince and Paris, don't believe it's really Michael's voice on the song Sony released on Friday.
When we asked La Toya about it yesterday, she told us, "I listened to it ... It doesn't sound like him."
Also, bad new for Oprah ... she might not have a viewer in La Toya for O's big Jackson episode tomorrow.
By the way ... numerous experts and people associated with the recording of the album say it is indeed Michael's voice.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/07/la-toya-j ... news-sony/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/11/07/la-toya-jackson-michael-jackson-song-breaking-news-sony/)
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I'm gonna go crazy!, Now also La Toya, I sound like Michael and I called the attention the song title, breaking news, and video journalists talking about Michael, haayy not .. . :?
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According to TMZ the snippet from "Breaking News" contained only a "short scream" by Michael.
Well - I don't dare commenting based on that moment.
No need to paddle back since O.N., TMZ - who wants to be in the first row must sometimes also take wet sponges and not put the blame on the family.
No need to stir up the pot either - or are we to be kept glued with our butt to the chair?
That's not the healthiest "lose 10 pounds in 5 days" diet :lol:
Let's patiently wait until tomorrow - everything will be revealed in due time.
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I think this is intended to cause controversy in order to draw attention to it. It's drawing attention in the media outlets, right? How much more will radio stations play this song in order to figure out if it's Michael's voice? And think of the conversation it's drawn.
It's already been mentioned elsewhere but bears repeating...Michael knows how to draw attention. Fans and non-fans alike are going to want to listen to this song to see if they believe it's Michael or not before. I think they are playing with the media. I can't wait to hear the full song - I hope it has more to do with vindication as the beginning seems to indicate.
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I think this is intended to cause controversy in order to draw attention to it. It's drawing attention in the media outlets, right? How much more will radio stations play this song in order to figure out if it's Michael's voice? And think of the conversation it's drawn.
It's already been mentioned elsewhere but bears repeating...Michael knows how to draw attention. Fans and non-fans alike are going to want to listen to this song to see if they believe it's Michael or not before. I think they are playing with the media. I can't wait to hear the full song - I hope it has more to do with vindication as the beginning seems to indicate.
You have to be right.
But it does mean that Mike is working willingly with Sony again. Are we all ok with that?
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It all seems to be about causing confusion, like mentioned in the confusing title of "opis none". Opus dei opposite? Opus dei is the work of god giving an orientation for all day practice and opus none would mean no orientation of god at all, confusion, mankind without orientation, without L.O.V.E. Media causing confusion in every sense; we do not know anymore what or who to believe.I think this could be a message to return to an army of LOVE and to be critical towards the media plus a tactic to gain attention.
At bec and voiceforthesilent: I guess you are right, also, remember how, in Oprahs interview, LMP emphasized MJs ability to manipulate? And how often have we heared the message from various people like f.e. Prince and Paul McCartney:with MJ you just never know..
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And they SONY remove the symbol of Prince the cover to the album by Michael :?:
for a claim?, I do not, ...is that SONY does not know what is copyright?
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Yeah Sony removed it. Michael snuck it past them and we f'ed it up.
Oops.
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I think this is intended to cause controversy in order to draw attention to it. It's drawing attention in the media outlets, right? How much more will radio stations play this song in order to figure out if it's Michael's voice? And think of the conversation it's drawn.
It's already been mentioned elsewhere but bears repeating...Michael knows how to draw attention. Fans and non-fans alike are going to want to listen to this song to see if they believe it's Michael or not before. I think they are playing with the media. I can't wait to hear the full song - I hope it has more to do with vindication as the beginning seems to indicate.
You have to be right.
But it does mean that Mike is working willingly with Sony again. Are we all ok with that?
I think this has to be the case as well, voiceforthesilent. As far as Sony goes, ahh, I just don't know. Perhaps Michael has more control at Sony than we are aware of.
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Scratching my head (did I miss something or is this the birth of another myth?) and I am not going to post the links again:
we have different images with and without the symbol in the web and all the links are still working - so maybe, maybe tomorrow in daylight after the weekend somebody in Tokyo will remove the image with the symbol but until now there is still this version up in the web WITH Prince's symbol and no, Sony did NOT remove it yet.
This is TMZ stirring the pot for even more attention.
The only thing I know is that I know times when things would go smooth for a launch of MJ music.
Since a date we all remember, left is right and down is up and it seems nobody is getting it straight under control since the one holding the leashes is not visible anymore.
And this is also exposing them ALL.
Especially the business wisenheimers that like to step onto artists that were thought to be for nothing else good but for performing and attracting the masses. Play them Michael. ;)
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People, I am really in such a confusion that I simply don't know what to say. I simply don't know and don't understand, to me it's becoming a circus. I bet it will be an original song with Michael's voice in it. I just don't understand why are they all screaming it's not him. I'm waiting till tomorrow tough to give my opinion, but this is like a circus! If not even the family can recognize his voice and make a cirus out of it, then what should we unerstand?
What on earth is the purpose? To have an army of people boycotting SONY? if they boycot SONY and if we think that SONY is involved then WHAT is the explanation of all this? They cut the branch under their own feet?
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Since a date we all remember, left is right and down is up and it seems nobody is getting it straight under control since the one holding the leashes is not visible anymore.
And this is also exposing them ALL.
Especially the business wisenheimers that like to step onto artists that were thought to be for nothing else good but for performing and attracting the masses. Play them Michael. ;)
Ok, I'm willing to go with this. Explain who all this confusion is exposing?
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What on earth is the purpose? To have an army of people boycotting SONY? if they boycot SONY and if we think that SONY is involved then WHAT is the explanation of all this? They cut the branch under their own feet?
Yes it would seem that way. But I'm operating under the assumption that this is Michael's agenda to raise controversy about the album to drive curiosity and thus sales.
Because as much as it would seem like a call to boycott sony, human nature is such that the opposite will happen, and people will be drawn to learn more about it. Bad news sells, and who knows about that better then Michael.
Because the fam did the same thing for TII and that sold just fine, didn't it?
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What on earth is the purpose? To have an army of people boycotting SONY? if they boycot SONY and if we think that SONY is involved then WHAT is the explanation of all this? They cut the branch under their own feet?
Yes it would seem that way. But I'm operating under the assumption that this is Michael's agenda to raise controversy about the album to drive curiosity and thus sales.
Because as much as it would seem like a call to boycott sony, human nature is such that the opposite will happen, and people will be drawn to learn more about it. Bad news sells, and who knows about that better then Michael.
Because the fam did the same thing for TII and that sold just fine, didn't it?
It could be like you say, but also don't you think that promoting an album like crazy would move the masses to go and buy it? Like this, people become so enraged against SONY that there are already some fans (I read on MJJC at least) that say "I won't go and buy this new SONY shit"
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Maybe he doesn't want his old fans anymore? Or maybe the one's that don't bother to look deeper (Mottola vs. Sony) he figures he can do without. Besides, if it's as good as they are saying, all them will buy it too. You know they will. Or they will illegally download it or rip it from their friends CDs. Whateves, they too will own it sooner or later. With this juicy scandal, non-rabid MJ fans and simple fans of pop music will defiantly hear about it, and if it IS good, they will certainly buy it. It's sort of like the base is guaranteed, so focus on expanding that.
I dunno. But this reverse psychology path is one that I've become accustomed to with Michael. That's all I'm saying.
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"All this confusion, don't it make you wanna scream?"
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
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seriously, this confusion is giving me headache :cry:
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seriously, this confusion is giving me headache :cry:
Ditto
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Also, bad new for Oprah ... she might not have a viewer in La Toya for O's big Jackson episode tomorrow.
:?: :?:
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Maybe he doesn't want his old fans anymore? Or maybe the one's that don't bother to look deeper (Mottola vs. Sony) he figures he can do without. Besides, if it's as good as they are saying, all them will buy it too. You know they will. Or they will illegally download it or rip it from their friends CDs. Whateves, they too will own it sooner or later. With this juicy scandal, non-rabid MJ fans and simple fans of pop music will defiantly hear about it, and if it IS good, they will certainly buy it. It's sort of like the base is guaranteed, so focus on expanding that.
I dunno. But this reverse psychology path is one that I've become accustomed to with Michael. That's all I'm saying.
this reverse psychology is driving me nutzzz
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
Why do you have that feeling?
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"All this confusion, don't it make you wanna scream?"
YES! I hope it ends soon. :o
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
Why do you have that feeling?
I get random feelings like this(i told you guys im weird).lol, but my feelings always tend to be true!
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
Why do you have that feeling?
I get random feelings like this(i told you guys im weird).lol, but my feelings always tend to be true!
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKq7v2jFraSidoJDoD6AhvQWqz-32Cmd8__-h98JXoLYUTyeg&t=1&usg=__kMGTn7agW31_JJjhwxU18gOOvqo=)
;)
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
Why do you have that feeling?
I get random feelings like this(i told you guys im weird).lol, but my feelings always tend to be true!
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQKq7v2jFraSidoJDoD6AhvQWqz-32Cmd8__-h98JXoLYUTyeg&t=1&usg=__kMGTn7agW31_JJjhwxU18gOOvqo=)
;)
hahahah!
Hey i never said anything about me going crazy,speak for yourself.lol
believe me this hoax has not got to me at all, i think everyone down here gets a little too excited and tries to make something out of nothing!
I mean no matter what happens know one will no when Michael will return, and also we already know the message behind this hoax, so i still do not get why everything is still being dissected...
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Maybe he doesn't want his old fans anymore? Or maybe the one's that don't bother to look deeper (Mottola vs. Sony) he figures he can do without. Besides, if it's as good as they are saying, all them will buy it too. You know they will. Or they will illegally download it or rip it from their friends CDs. Whateves, they too will own it sooner or later. With this juicy scandal, non-rabid MJ fans and simple fans of pop music will defiantly hear about it, and if it IS good, they will certainly buy it. It's sort of like the base is guaranteed, so focus on expanding that.
I dunno. But this reverse psychology path is one that I've become accustomed to with Michael. That's all I'm saying.
This is a good question Bec....and you have answered it!
From what I have gathered on my trail to the Holly Grail... I think that HE wants more than just getting his King Of Pop crown back, he wants to create CHANGE on a big scale to make a positive impact on the World...and... in the short term, if it means destabilising his fan base... well... does HE really mind?
In my humble opinion, I would say NO! HE doesn't mind! because he knows that short term pain is long term gain and, Confusion and Chaos today means seeding the seeds of change for a better tomorrow. He has successfully used the "reverse psychology path" (as pointed out by Bec) in the past and he is doing it again to drive his current agenda.
PS: And to add that The Sony "Make BeLIEve" campaign is no coincidence, it would not surprise if Michael got Sony under his little finger tips after the Motolla saga... all very well done indeed!
With L.O.V.E
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@Tumic Shason, by disecting we learn.
all is not just based in being sure that MJ will return and the intentions of the hoax and that´s it :)
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@Tumic Shason, by disecting we learn.
all is not just based in being sure that MJ will return and the intentions of the hoax and that´s it :)
huh?
You mean this is not all about his return or the hoax, is that what you meant!
If that is what you meant, than yes i know this already, in your point what else is this about then, exposing the media, i mean everyone should know by now the world is a FAKE and will forever be one until the day we D.I.E!..simple and easy!
There are to types of celebrities!
1. the media hates,but the fans like!
2. the media likes, but the fans hate!
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
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I will say what bec said in the other thread, because this is also a confusion of mine.
This creates such a confusion that lets even the believers speechless. We have no idea how the hell should we take it. It's only us, the believers who dig into it, but the rest of the fans take it as an affront, as a threat, they think that the whole family is working against Michael and that even katherine is boycotting her own son. They turn against the whole Jackson family, against Katherine, against everything, feeling revolted at what they do to him.
The whole world doesn't even THINK about what we think so what is being accomplished with all this? It's like creating a war between the fans and the family. They feel like they simply rip him into pieces. Now even his own mother. What is the reason and the goal of all this? please make me understand cause I can't anymore.
It's like we're constantly being played off like mad, and after 16 months of struggle from us why all this?
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
I really don't think this is fun. At all. And i am not someone who has no sense of humour. But I do NOT think it is fun anymore to be put through MORE confusion that we already are in, after 16 months of struggle and hard work to dig into everything. I really feel I am being played off and I don't know by WHO.
I don't know WHAT we know as a fact anymore. We can't go on like this forever, to desperately look into clues and feel that we are being fooled. I personally care too much about him and about the situation itself and I feel really fooled by the whole thing recently. I put so much heart in it and the pain sometimes becomes simply unbearable. Is the family who is playing? is the family who is actually the bad character? is ANYTHING real after all?
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This is the proof of what I say. This is what fans think. Is THIS the goal?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
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i know this already, in your point what else is this about then
Knowing about ourselves among other things.
everyone should know by now the world is a FAKE and will forever be one until the day we D.I.E!..simple and easy!
Why do you assume that everyone should know as simple and easy?
I am sure that millions of people are not awared and still live in the bubble :)
Many people are exposed subliminally to many messages and they are not awared.
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http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
After reading that letter I get the impression that some of the "Michael Jackson fans" think they have the right to decide in Michaels business or legacy. It is kind of intruding in someones business and decisions somehow.
I´ve read the comments that some fans had about the release and I was more than amazed to see such autoritative remarks about a work.
This action taken about the "release" was uncalled for imo.
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
Do you really think Michael wants to see even more confussion? Do you really think this? These latest days I tried to refrain my messages, to keep away and just look, because I really feel there's something here that's not OK. I am horrified at the idea of being fooled all these months, I just can't think of the possibility this could all be such a big LIE, a PLOT in which we believed like idiots just because we want him to be with us because we need him and these are not just ordinary words- I trully mean it when I say this.
No, it's not fun for me anymore, no. It wasn't either at the beginning but day by day my concern grows up fastly, I don't want to reach the day when I look in the mirror and I just want to break it into pieces when I see the stupid who believed in all this. I can't keep up smilling like everything is just fun. I'd do this if I knew for a FACT that he is indeed OK. But I do not have that fact I just have words, suppositions and family who makes it even more confusing for us. I am a beLIEver, I was and I am since 12 months so far and I do really believe in the fact that he could really be alive but it's like having on my right shoulder an angel and on my left one a devil. They both tell me different versions and possibilities, one denying the other and I just reach the point when I am like covering my ears and feel like screaming to not hear anything confusing anymore. I need a clear fact, a clear explanation like I need the air I breath in this partculary moment. Do you understand this?
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http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
After reading that letter I get the impression that some of the "Michael Jackson fans" think they have the right to decide in Michaels business or legacy. It is kind of intruding in someones business and decisions somehow.
I´ve read the comments that some fans had about the release and I was more than amazed to see such autoritative remarks about a work.
This action taken about the "release" was uncalled for imo.
I really and honestly can't say I accuse them for what they say. After all that's what's being fed by the own Jackson family. They do not understand a shit, and even I, as a believer, can't understand a lot of things and I put to doubt everything now.
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
Yeah but why. What's the point. Everyone is confused, even us.
The hoax is bigger then this album and generating huge sales. Why use it to turn the nonbeliever fans against the family. This has created a war, and the fans want to shut down jacksonsecretvault site.
Why are the fans being led to believe this?
And they are being led to believe this.
The clues that are available to hoaxers are 100% more obscure then the clues that are being left for the non-believers, why is that?
On the surface, KJ is being exploited by this Mann character. If you look deeper, MJ released this song, as a clue to believers and used this secret vault site to be able to do it direct to us without Sony being the middle man. Maybe he did it as a gift to fans, freebie stuff, direct from Michael, that's his style too, we know. But then to have KJ deny it, well it looks bad. MJ has to know this, so it's purposeful.
Purposeful to start a wave of backlash from fans against the Jacksons?
I don't buy that MJ didn't foresee that reaction from his base. He knows them. He knows exactly how they will take this. So he did it on purpose.
Why?
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
Confusion was the intention and Confusion it is --- I totally agree with you BlackJack! The unreleased track itself could easily have been named Confusion but it would have been too simple then! Opis None is now also known as Opus None and even Opin None! :lol:
An interesting lesson on how to use the media to create... CONFUSION! Heads are spinning!
With L.O.V.E
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
I really don't think this is fun. At all. And i am not someone who has no sense of humour. But I do NOT think it is fun anymore to be put through MORE confusion that we already are in, after 16 months of struggle and hard work to dig into everything. I really feel I am being played off and I don't know by WHO.
I don't know WHAT we know as a fact anymore. We can't go on like this forever, to desperately look into clues and feel that we are being fooled. I personally care too much about him and about the situation itself and I feel really fooled by the whole thing recently. I put so much heart in it and the pain sometimes becomes simply unbearable. Is the family who is playing? is the family who is actually the bad character? is ANYTHING real after all?
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This is the proof of what I say. This is what fans think. Is THIS the goal?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
Anna, I'm saying this with respect so please don't misunderstand me,
If you beLIEve that MJ is behind the hoax as its Master, and I certainly do.... then it is MJ himself that is organising these interviews/crazy TMZ articles/song releases etc. The non-believer fans obviously do not see, or in fact are incapable of seeing, just what a prankster MJ really is..... they have not "discovered the man" at all.
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Anna, I'm saying this with respect so please don't misunderstand me,
If you beLIEve that MJ is behind the hoax as its Master, and I certainly do.... then it is MJ himself that is organising these interviews/crazy TMZ articles/song releases etc. The non-believer fans obviously do not see, or in fact are incapable of seeing, just what a prankster MJ really is..... they have not "discovered the man" at all.
I am also talking with respect towards everyone, but just look at what people said above, including me..
How are the people going to discover the man they never knew in all this mess created by the family or even third parties. I am really revolted, and this can be noticed. The people have in mind the image of Michael being manipulated as if he was a mere puppet, not able to oppose anything not before 2009, nor ever. Like he is a victim of the people around him, and now of his own family and own mother.This is the man they have to discover? I am sure it's not. I am sure he's not an idiot and not someone to be manipulated as a puppet, not able to say anything and oppose the blood suckers. I am absolutely sure it's not that, the man they never knew.
I will quote Mr. V:
"E- You get back at them for what they did to you?
V- What they did to me was monstruous.
E- And they created a monster..."
But this is the image that the other fans have about him, always had and still have. That he is a victim of them, and now even of his own family who is not respecting what he always asked for. This is the goal?
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Well Anna, maybe after all of the manipulating he has done with the hoax is revealed, people will no longer have the impression of him that you speak of as the unsuspecting victim.
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If Gem it comments on it yesterday, there are fans who believe with right to harass, others believe that they have right to insult and now these that to claim that the family does exactly what they think. :?
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Well Anna, maybe after all of the manipulating he has done with the hoax is revealed, people will no longer have the impression of him that you speak of as the unsuspecting victim.
I think Anna's point is that after nearly 17 months of hoaxing, all we are seeing is the same stereotypes about MJ being reinforced, and now hyper enforced as we go along.
So from where I'm sitting and maybe Anna too, it looks like all the hoax is achieving on mass scale is a giant reinforcement of all the garbage rumors and lies spread about Michael and the Jacksons pre 6/25/09.
So we are feeling a little confused at this juncture. What's the point, at the 17 month mark, of continuing to spread lies and rumors? Shouldn't there be some debunking of these things happening on grand scale at this point, 17 months in? Because causing a super small amount of people to change their minds and listen to his message surely isn't what MJ envisioned when he developed the hoax.
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
Yeah but why. What's the point. Everyone is confused, even us.
The hoax is bigger then this album and generating huge sales. Why use it to turn the nonbeliever fans against the family. This has created a war, and the fans want to shut down jacksonsecretvault site.
Why are the fans being led to believe this?
And they are being led to believe this.
The clues that are available to hoaxers are 100% more obscure then the clues that are being left for the non-believers, why is that?
On the surface, KJ is being exploited by this Mann character. If you look deeper, MJ released this song, as a clue to believers and used this secret vault site to be able to do it direct to us without Sony being the middle man. Maybe he did it as a gift to fans, freebie stuff, direct from Michael, that's his style too, we know. But then to have KJ deny it, well it looks bad. MJ has to know this, so it's purposeful.
Purposeful to start a wave of backlash from fans against the Jacksons?
I don't buy that MJ didn't foresee that reaction from his base. He knows them. He knows exactly how they will take this. So he did it on purpose.
Why?
I wrote this before but just want to write it once more and want to learn your opinions about it. The family members also said that there were body doubles in TII and now they say that there's an imposter, a fake voice in the album too. I believe that AFTER Michael comes back, there will be rumors that he is not the real MJ but a fake one. And nobody will be sure who he really is. Including the enemies!!! Only the beLIEvers and most of the fans will know the truth about him. Probably they create the confusion to protect Michael after he BAMS! Maybe there'll be lots of imposters, body doubles around after he returns, to confuse the enemies! So I believe that the target they want to confuse is not us the fans but the enemies of MJ! Doesn't it sound rational to you too? This is the only explanation I can find.
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
Well it explains to me. Because this is the only way. Someone/s from the family had to do it. Once Joe did it and now Katherine does. So it perfectly fits. :)
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Like BlackJack said, I've long realized MJ is a prankster and when it comes to the family and this album/song, I can't for the life of me see the point. Whatev.
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
Well it explains to me. Because this is the only way. Someone/s from the family had to do it. Once Joe did it and now Katherine does. So it perfectly fits. :)
"Dying" creates a spot-on for real friends.
All others - literally spoken - are not important anymore.
We human beings like to bring everything complicated down to something fitting into a drawer. Michael was labelled many things and had to fit into many drawers that were constructed for him - so had his family. It is not right to judge a family we do not know at all.
We neither know motivation nor intention nor strategy behind their actions.
We may note some of what we are being told appears strange compared to our life experience. That's all. We however do not know if the persons really said or did this and that or if it is just a Hollywood bad reporter's taste that tries to befuddle our mind.
We like to think that Michael was Jesus-like and did certainly only think and do for the best future of us all. Why for heaven's sake should he?
Why can't he be egoistic like each one of us, mad like hell, yelling, giving names, just going away and leave the public behind for HIS personal better future?
And if - would anybody in the family really care about the public's reaction then?
Does it matter if the public goes wild against the family?
If Michael wants to stay hidden, not really.
If Michael wants to take over, yes.
Then he needs the bumper that he officially cannot be anymore.
The heat has to be boiling at 212° Fahrenheit .
Michael is getting EXACTLY the reaction he thought he would get, winnowing from wheat.
Put the blame on Katherine? That's a little too cheap for my taste.
Katherine is a lady we owe some respect.
God knows how many nights she has spent sewing the costumes until her hands were bleeding.
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
Well it explains to me. Because this is the only way. Someone/s from the family had to do it. Once Joe did it and now Katherine does. So it perfectly fits. :)
Michael is getting EXACTLY the reaction he thought he would get, winnowing from wheat.
Put the blame on Katherine? That's a little too cheap for my taste.
Katherine is a lady we owe some respect.
God knows how many nights she has spent sewing the costumes until her hands were bleeding.
That's my point. So why does it seem led his fans to do exactly that?
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I honestly think that MJ is getting EXACTLY the reaction he intended all along with this 'release'............ creating confusion left, right and centre. Nobody said that the hoax was going to be easy and offered straight up in a neat package for the world to unwrap.......where's the fun and learning in that! As for the family, they're all playing their designated roles..... good cop, bad cop, utterly confused cop...........gee, it's the most work some of them have had in years!! Let the games officially begin...........
I really don't think this is fun. At all. And i am not someone who has no sense of humour. But I do NOT think it is fun anymore to be put through MORE confusion that we already are in, after 16 months of struggle and hard work to dig into everything. I really feel I am being played off and I don't know by WHO.
I don't know WHAT we know as a fact anymore. We can't go on like this forever, to desperately look into clues and feel that we are being fooled. I personally care too much about him and about the situation itself and I feel really fooled by the whole thing recently. I put so much heart in it and the pain sometimes becomes simply unbearable. Is the family who is playing? is the family who is actually the bad character? is ANYTHING real after all?
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This is the proof of what I say. This is what fans think. Is THIS the goal?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
Anna, I'm saying this with respect so please don't misunderstand me,
If you beLIEve that MJ is behind the hoax as its Master, and I certainly do.... then it is MJ himself that is organising these interviews/crazy TMZ articles/song releases etc. The non-believer fans obviously do not see, or in fact are incapable of seeing, just what a prankster MJ really is..... they have not "discovered the man" at all.
I for one "get him". MJ being a prankster is an under-statement. What has happened in the last few days is amazing. Family members saying it's not MJ, Mother Kate and the kids on Oprah, a new CD, Sony saying it is MJ. Some family members against Oprah, others on a date with Oprah. WOW! You gotta love the slow, piece by piece movement of this hoax. I need a box of popcorn to watch it.
We have to remember MJ is in control. We have to beLIEve, no matter what and Trust him.
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I HAVE A FEELING TAJ JACKSON IS ON THIS SITE!
:idea:
Can you ellaborate on this theory?
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I for one "get him". MJ being a prankster is an under-statement. What has happened in the last few days is amazing. Family members saying it's not MJ, Mother Kate and the kids on Oprah, a new CD, Sony saying it is MJ. Some family members against Oprah, others on a date with Oprah. WOW! You gotta love the slow, piece by piece movement of this hoax. I need a box of popcorn to watch it.
We have to remember MJ is in control. We have to beLIEve, no matter what and Trust him.
I "get him" and I "get you" too. Well said foreverking. :D
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I absolutely feel COMPLETELY in fog. I don't know why all this, what is the purpose of the lies?
I listened to the song, it IS indeed different, the voice is lower, but in some parts I would go with yes, it's him. I somehow think it was done on purpose, too many backing vocals as to hide his voice, too louder backing vocals. This creates even more confusion. I don't know what to say for now, I am somehow in bewteen.
But again I say, "he who has all the whys can bear any hows"
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
Well it explains to me. Because this is the only way. Someone/s from the family had to do it. Once Joe did it and now Katherine does. So it perfectly fits. :)
"Dying" creates a spot-on for real friends.
All others - literally spoken - are not important anymore.
We human beings like to bring everything complicated down to something fitting into a drawer. Michael was labelled many things and had to fit into many drawers that were constructed for him - so had his family. It is not right to judge a family we do not know at all.
We neither know motivation nor intention nor strategy behind their actions.
We may note some of what we are being told appears strange compared to our life experience. That's all. We however do not know if the persons really said or did this and that or if it is just a Hollywood bad reporter's taste that tries to befuddle our mind.
We like to think that Michael was Jesus-like and did certainly only think and do for the best future of us all. Why for heaven's sake should he?
Why can't he be egoistic like each one of us, mad like hell, yelling, giving names, just going away and leave the public behind for HIS personal better future?
And if - would anybody in the family really care about the public's reaction then?
Does it matter if the public goes wild against the family?
If Michael wants to stay hidden, not really.
If Michael wants to take over, yes.
Then he needs the bumper that he officially cannot be anymore.
The heat has to be boiling at 212° Fahrenheit .
Michael is getting EXACTLY the reaction he thought he would get, winnowing from wheat.
Put the blame on Katherine? That's a little too cheap for my taste.
Katherine is a lady we owe some respect.
God knows how many nights she has spent sewing the costumes until her hands were bleeding.
I agree with you Grace.
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Let the games officially begin...........
I take this as the official start then :lol:
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If you beLIEve that MJ is behind the hoax as its Master, and I certainly do.... then it is MJ himself that is organising these interviews/crazy TMZ articles/song releases etc. The non-believer fans obviously do not see, or in fact are incapable of seeing, just what a prankster MJ really is......
I see it, I see it :lol:
Seriously, I totally believe he is a prankster :D
"Crazy kid" Michael Jackson.......
I wonder how many "parts" he played during his amazing life :shock:
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so fans are upset about what the family is doing to the children ;) is it possible this touches on the subject we were discussing in the other thread about how the fan behavior can jeopardize the children?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
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is it possible this touches on the subject we were discussing in the other thread about how the fan behavior can jeopardize the children?
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tm ... docs_2.pdf (http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/1107_jackson_docs_2.pdf)
Absolutely.
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This release just makes me believe more and more that Michael Jackson has his unreleased music with him where ever he is. What he left behind was scraps of music that somebody found and decided to mix it up and pass it off as 100% authentic Michael lost treasures. The 2 I've heard so far tickles me pink. No way. When Michael gets ready to release Michael, then we'll hear some good stuff. These other folk, just plain damn greedy :x
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:lol: or LaToya has them. She seems to know all the aswers :lol:
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It's not an applicable explanation this time though PureLove. Inserting doubt about real MJ/fake MJ doesn't explain why he pit his fans against his mother, more or less.
Well it explains to me. Because this is the only way. Someone/s from the family had to do it. Once Joe did it and now Katherine does. So it perfectly fits. :)
Michael is getting EXACTLY the reaction he thought he would get, winnowing from wheat.
Put the blame on Katherine? That's a little too cheap for my taste.
Katherine is a lady we owe some respect.
God knows how many nights she has spent sewing the costumes until her hands were bleeding.
That's my point. So why does it seem led his fans to do exactly that?
Michael has always said HE loved his Mother dearly and there is absolutely NO reasons to question this!
However, at the first opportunity through what they HEAR or SEE in the media, some of HIS fans question the integrity of HIS Mother!
Which point is HE making? My thoughts:
That people are so conditioned by the media, they'll do anything on the basis of what they read even if they heard differently from him - They are prepared to question His integrity and those who are closest to him on the basis of media lies even when they heard the TRUTH directly from him many time over!
They are not respecting His feelings, all they want is a piece of Him no matter what.
They let the media think for themselves and cloud their judgement
Why "using" Katherine to do this?
Katherine is the only person in the Family, he has always, always showed Pure Love to Katherine and questioning her integrity should not even come to mind! By using Katherine, HE has a much stronger case to make his point because Katherine should have been "untouchable".
Let's remember the Back Threads at MJJC from June 2010, MJ is following on the same theme as he was under "Back"! He wants RESPECT, He wants his fans to stop assuming the TRUTH through the message they read in the Media and forget everything he said himself! He wants his fans to learn that the media lies and start getting them behind him! He is trying to EDUCATE them, the hard way! See the light!
With L.O.V.E
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TheRunningGirl, I agree with you.
It's not easy to learn about the real Michael, but with him leading the way, I think we'll get there some day .... :D
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This release just makes me believe more and more that Michael Jackson has his unreleased music with him where ever he is. What he left behind was scraps of music that somebody found and decided to mix it up and pass it off as 100% authentic Michael lost treasures. The 2 I've heard so far tickles me pink. No way. When Michael gets ready to release Michael, then we'll hear some good stuff. These other folk, just plain damn greedy :x
another day and take me to a place without no name MUST have been Michael, don`t you think so? Those songs really made sense and were absolutely michaellike
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Were those from this same vault? If so, then I agree those were MJ. Gosh, I wish there were a list somewhere of the vaulted songs. Question, are all of his unreleased songs vaulted? Or are there some that are not a part.