Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: Tina K. on January 10, 2010, 07:02:49 AM
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Homocide. Was in a danish paper today.
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Doesn't mean it's true.. It's page 2 of 2.
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Don't believe the tabloids.
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Don't believe the tabloids.
Exactly. Where would they have got this from anyway?
I don''t think the family would have released the DC to the media.
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Still says Joshep.... but this is worrying......
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This should be the page 1 :[attachment=0:1k4u09hp]page 1 of 1.jpg[/attachment:1k4u09hp]
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Still says Joshep.... but this is worrying......
It would be worrying if the Coroner had announced it.
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Oh dear. :o
Maybe I should have looked at the pic before I posted.
I honestly don't know now.
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
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I did not see that, but this is good news ! ;)
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
Well spotted - this must mean its fake!!
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This concerns me. But I still want to see 1. the coroner's real signature and 2. LaToya's real signature. When they censor them like that it makes me suspicious. How do we know they signed the death certificate when we cannot even see if they signed it? We're just being told they signed it with their handwriting but there is no proof of it. And a paper can be altered in many ways but a coroner or UCLA staff never announced his death at the pressconference. This should have been done months ago.
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Very Weird, I did Notice at the botton it says 1st Date, 07/07/2009, there's the 3 sevens again...
7,7 2009 2-9=7, so it is 777. :?
Also shouldn't news as BIG as this be reported on "News Headlines", i have only found it on SKY under "ENTERTAINMENT NEWS", since when has a murder headline come under entertainment news??
BBC so far have not reported it, The Sun and News Of The World are known for False News.
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Homocide? Thought it was named homicide.. :lol:
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Homocide? Thought it was named homicide.. :lol:
:) it is, I was typing very fast, because I was very shaky on my fingers.... lol.
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I thought they were looking for bands cameras for what happened?
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wait who is the that dr??? or coroner?? i didnt know they listed one but who is that guy?
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i looked on ucla 's website for the dr christopher rogers and hes not at that hospital if the coroner i never heard about him have you guys??? :? :?
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Why does a person need 7 DC.? Again with the number 7, I mean what new information did they get
in the last two months, that now allows then to issue a new DC, makes absolutely no sense.
Plus why release the doxtors name and block out the signature. So until I see a signed DC, I will not believe it!!!
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
Well spotted - this must mean its fake!!
I disagree. This again is "cart before the horse" thinking. It doesn't prove it's fake, it proves there are different codes.
I challenge you to be a good investigator.
You must first prove that the numbers should be the same before you can say that this is a problem. Then if the two should be the same start finding out what could be the reason they are different before you say it is fake.
Does anyone know how to find out if the numbers should be the same? Where can we get these rules? I thought this was a Census Trac number and I researched it some but it blows my mind a bit.
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
Well spotted - this must mean its fake!!
I disagree. This again is "cart before the horse" thinking. It doesn't prove it's fake, it proves there are different codes.
I challenge you to be a good investigator.
You must first prove that the numbers should be the same before you can say that this is a problem. Then if the two should be the same start finding out what could be the reason they are different before you say it is fake.
Does anyone know how to find out if the numbers should be the same? Where can we get these rules? I thought this was a Census Trac number and I researched it some but it blows my mind a bit.
This was discussed at length in a previous topic and on the old forum. The bar codes should match, that is why I posted what I did.
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I have searched for Dr Christopher Rodgers in California and in UCLA no such doctor, other than a pain mangement specialist and a nature doctor exist. And I do not believe that they would ever have a pain management doctor sign the death certificate, as pain management doctors are not the type of doctor that would work in the emergency/trauma department in UCLA Med Center. So that doctors name still seems some what fishy to me, plus the DC still remains unsigned.
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Who's Dean C Logan? Why did the Registrar- Recorder County Clerk sign it instead of a doctor? :? The other DCs that've we've seen online were signed by a doctor with the letters VE under his signature, this one's signed by a Registrar-Recorder County Clerk. :? I'm a little confused... :?
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I have searched for Dr Christopher Rodgers in California and in UCLA no such doctor, other than a pain mangement specialist and a nature doctor exist. And I do not believe that they would ever have a pain management doctor sign the death certificate, as pain management doctors are not the type of doctor that would work in the emergency/trauma department in UCLA Med Center. So that doctors name still seems some what fishy to me, plus the DC still remains unsigned.
I agree that a pain management wouldn't sign the DC or work in a emergency/trauma department in a hospital, I would think a doctor who works in the ER would work on someone who's dying. They have the training to handle emergency/life of death situations,I wouldn't think a pain management doctor would. I could be wrong though... :?
It's strange that you couldn't find Dr Christopher Rodgers in California or at UCLA, he should exist if he signed the DC, shouldn't he? :? What do you mean the DC still remains unsigned? Where should the signature be? :?
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news of the world is the worst tabloid in uk....
we have seen this dc before....
its fake anyway :) :)
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Why does the second paper says amendment?
We have two different people certifying here...Cheryl Macwillie 1st page and Christopher Rogers in the amendment page...the first page doesn't have a real signature, just the name in print? Does that still make it valid?
Edit** I think my questions have been answered...http://movies.rediff.com/report/2010/ja ... rdered.htm (http://movies.rediff.com/report/2010/jan/10/michael-jackson-was-murdered.htm)
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REMEMBER GUYS, WE HAVE YET TO SEE A DEATH CERTIFICATE SIGNED. THEY CENSORED OUT TWO OF THE TWO SIGNATURES. UNTIL I SEE THEM, I WONT BELIEVE THIS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THE SIGNATURES MIGHT BE LEFT BLANK AND CENSORED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE SIGNED.
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And that's almost the only hope left :( gosh !
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What's the point of Jan 08, this again is nonsense from beginning to end
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
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Fê.Brasil You are absolutely right!!
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This IS a new DC. The bar codes SHOULD match because it is a census tract number. Each DC we have been given has a different bar code #.
Do we indeed have 7 DCs now? That would make me chuckle.
I am confused as to the purpose of this new DC (other then to round out to the nice number 7). The amendment released last August listed homicide as cause of death so why a new one? Interesting that it was released on Elvis's birthday.
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even in the URL it shows how unprofessional this tabloid is: jacko_cert
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REMEMBER GUYS, WE HAVE YET TO SEE A DEATH CERTIFICATE SIGNED. THEY CENSORED OUT TWO OF THE TWO SIGNATURES. UNTIL I SEE THEM, I WONT BELIEVE THIS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THE SIGNATURES MIGHT BE LEFT BLANK AND CENSORED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE SIGNED.
In one of the death certificates available on the web given a physician's signature Jonathan E. Fielding today and is the Director of Public Services is also a UCLA teacher. :roll:
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
can you send us the attachment where you got this information from , Iwould like to see it .
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Bar code not matching?
You all mean the "201974" on one and "201975" on the other?
It really looks like it's just one page followed by the other....
Not sure about this as anyone can type some words onto a form.
The question is, who are all these people and can they be traced?
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
can you send us the attachment where you got this information from , Iwould like to see it .
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-s-death-certificate-f25/now-look-at-these-two-ruiz-topics-do-you-see-a-link-t4070.htm?highlight=jesus+miguel+ruiz
Hope I have helped!
;)
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
Now im utterly confused. I thought this Jesus guy was the embalmer.. now you are saying he is dead?
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I am afraid we get confused! It is now much going on but we have to keep track of the facts
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news of the world is the worst tabloid in uk....
I don't live in the U.K., but It sure does seem that way from across the pond, peggysu2.
The title of this thread pulled me in, but my curiosity evaporated as soon as I saw "newsoftheworld" in the link. I haven't even bothered to click over because I know in advance it would be a waste of time.
They should rename their outfit Fake News of the World.
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Bar code not matching?
You all mean the "201974" on one and "201975" on the other?
It really looks like it's just one page followed by the other....
Not sure about this as anyone can type some words onto a form.
The question is, who are all these people and can they be traced?
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3261#p50835
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
Now im utterly confused. I thought this Jesus guy was the embalmer.. now you are saying he is dead?
Previously, he was made a research on the MJKIT Forum, there are all registered research information about Jesus Miguel Ruiz.
http://mjkit.forumotion.net/michael-s-death-certificate-f25/now-look-at-these-two-ruiz-topics-do-you-see-a-link-t4070.htm?highlight=jesus+miguel+ruiz
Hope I have helped!
;)
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
Now im utterly confused. I thought this Jesus guy was the embalmer.. now you are saying he is dead?
Now I'm really confused! :? Where did you get that Jesus embalmer guy is dead from? I don't see anyone saying that he's dead! :? :!:
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Bar code not matching?
You all mean the "201974" on one and "201975" on the other?
It really looks like it's just one page followed by the other....
Not sure about this as anyone can type some words onto a form.
The question is, who are all these people and can they be traced?
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Then all these people are real official people, who have signed the certificate ? :?
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On the certificate of death that Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz ...
The family did not buy 12 tombs?
To put the body in the supposed tomb of an unknown
In MJkit forum was previously searched on Jesus Miguel Ruiz and there appears striking similarities.
Jesus Miguel Ruiz was an embalmer, including the author of several books as well with a particularly sujestivos research on how to save the planet.
Google did some research and we find it also as Don Ruiz.
The similarity in things related ?
Now im utterly confused. I thought this Jesus guy was the embalmer.. now you are saying he is dead?
Now I'm really confused! :? Where did you get that Jesus embalmer guy is dead from? I don't see anyone saying that he's dead! :? :!:
Michael Jackson was temporarily in the tomb of Jesus Miguel Ruiz
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Bar code not matching?
You all mean the "201974" on one and "201975" on the other?
It really looks like it's just one page followed by the other....
Not sure about this as anyone can type some words onto a form.
The question is, who are all these people and can they be traced?
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Then all these people are real official people, who have signed the certificate ? :?
Apparently yes according to surveys, these people exist.
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
I'm pretty sure, EACH blank form has another bar code! So, every page of the DC will have another barcode, and these are following numbers.
That's also why there are now 4 DCs with different barcodes - each copy and the respective pages have their own barcodes. They probably have to count the forms, that were used and also make a notice, if one was wasted etc.
We don't know the codes on that second page, but there are two lines that are interesting:
122 - UNK (unknown?)
123 - RESIDENCE
Is 122 maybe the time of death? And 123 the place of death?
Time of death: unknown
Place of death: Residence /MJ's home
That would be news... :?
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But how can that be?
A coroner would be able to place time of death by body temp, blood pooling (lividity?), etc...
Even if they couldn't say "He died at exactly 1:25" they could say what time approximately it was. They wouldn't just not know!
And if the place of death was at MJ's house, why would the doctors at UCLA lie and say that they worked on him at UCLA for an hour?
*sigh* This is all too much.
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yes to much :( I'm allmost sorry I posted this , I'm not gonna sleep much tonight.
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But how can that be?
A coroner would be able to place time of death by body temp, blood pooling (lividity?), etc...
Even if they couldn't say "He died at exactly 1:25" they could say what time approximately it was. They wouldn't just not know!
And if the place of death was at MJ's house, why would the doctors at UCLA lie and say that they worked on him at UCLA for an hour?
*sigh* This is all too much.
There was one article, where was said, that the temperature in the room was very high, which would make it hard or nearly impossible to determine the time of death.
This was in an article, that said, that MJ was already "dead for hours".
I sent an email to the coroner to and asked about the time of death, but never got a reply. I'll try it again now.
The doctors at UCLA never said anything! There's no UCLA statement on that, we've got only what Jermaine and associates said, which then was a plain lie.
If Michael s really dead, this has to be murder... at least, that's what I feel :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Yeah, he's dead. I believe that now.
I don't want to, but I do. I think all the behavior by his family and "friends" is just because they never truly cared for him.
Whatever the big "surprise" is next week, it won't be that MJ is alive.
I bet nothing happens on the 18th and that'll be it.
If something does, well, he'll have proved me wrong, won't he?
Funnily enough, I'm only upset because I had hope and now that hope is gone.
MJ is dead, and it's time I accept that.
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You guys are falling to easily..
You're messing yourself into troubles with own thoughts.
You can't believe he is dead when you say he is dead.. Then you know he is dead.
How can we know he is dead?.. Uhm.. Impossible. No offical proves or statements.
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This was discussed at length in a previous topic and on the old forum. The bar codes should match, that is why I posted what I did.
Ok, good! I am sorry I missed the topic (searches stink on the board)So, You have something substantial then? an official source to investigate this to put it to rest? Can you give me that source because I really am loony trying to investigate that piece of evidence that appears odd..Then someone mentioned they are the just numbers in succession?..EEK. Anyway, can you give me the source to look at the rules for the tracts or certificates? I can't tell what I am really looking at and that would be helpful.
Thanks
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Has TMZ posted a copy of the new death certificate? It would be strange if they haven't .. I'm going to go check ..
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Nothing on TMZ!
Odd, no?
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nothing on tmz..
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Nothing on TMZ!
Odd, no?
Very susie_23... don't give up yet!
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I think I've come back to your ranks :)
BAMSDAY!
And as I was hitting "Submit", my ipod switched songs and the very first thing I heard was "It's about love! It's about love overcoming all obstacles!"
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uh oh .... EW.com reports:
The amendment to Michael Jackson’s death certificate declaring that his June 25 passing was due to “acute propofol intoxication” and “intravenous injection by another,” has been published online. EW has confirmed with the L.A. County coroner’s office that the document, which is part of the public record, is genuine. Jackson’s death was officially ruled a homicide last August.
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Uh oh indeed.
Nothing on CNN.
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I don't remember .. did the coroner's office confirm the other two DC'S were genuine?
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Homocide. Was in a danish paper today.
That is page 2 of the original - page 2 consists of amended information...this was done after they finished the tox
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Don't believe the tabloids.
Exactly. Where would they have got this from anyway?
I don''t think the family would have released the DC to the media.
You've been sleeping :) anyone can get an 'information' copy of a death cert. These are posted on tmz too. They are informational copies.
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One file with two different bar codes !? Should it be the same of both pages !?
Well spotted - this must mean its fake!!
No, that doesn't mean it's fake. That is page two. To begin was one page because the cause was deferred. Then when they finished with the tox they issued the amendment which gives us page.
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Very Weird, I did Notice at the botton it says 1st Date, 07/07/2009, there's the 3 sevens again...
7,7 2009 2-9=7, so it is 777. :?
Also shouldn't news as BIG as this be reported on "News Headlines", i have only found it on SKY under "ENTERTAINMENT NEWS", since when has a murder headline come under entertainment news??
BBC so far have not reported it, The Sun and News Of The World are known for False News.
Maybe you're looking at recent news. The ammended certficate and the cause was reported months ago.
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Don't believe the tabloids.
Exactly. Where would they have got this from anyway?
I don''t think the family would have released the DC to the media.
You've been sleeping :) anyone can get an 'information' copy of a death cert. These are posted on tmz too. They are informational copies.
I'm confused... my understanding is that this is the third death certificate.. it was in today's news .. but I don't see it on TMZ.. do you have a link?
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i looked on ucla 's website for the dr christopher rogers and hes not at that hospital if the coroner i never heard about him have you guys??? :? :?
He's a doctor - coronor - you can look him up here.
http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/license ... mber=55157 (http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/licenselookup/lookup.php?LicenseType=G&LicenseNumber=55157)
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I have searched for Dr Christopher Rodgers in California and in UCLA no such doctor, other than a pain mangement specialist and a nature doctor exist. And I do not believe that they would ever have a pain management doctor sign the death certificate, as pain management doctors are not the type of doctor that would work in the emergency/trauma department in UCLA Med Center. So that doctors name still seems some what fishy to me, plus the DC still remains unsigned.
He's a doctor / cornoner - his last name is spelled Rogers not Rodgers.
http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/license ... mber=55157 (http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/licenselookup/lookup.php?LicenseType=G&LicenseNumber=55157)
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Who's Dean C Logan? Why did the Registrar- Recorder County Clerk sign it instead of a doctor? :? The other DCs that've we've seen online were signed by a doctor with the letters VE under his signature, this one's signed by a Registrar-Recorder County Clerk. :? I'm a little confused... :?
This is page 2 of the origianl certifcate. It was issued back in August. He records documents locally so he signs it or uses a stamp. The first page is the one with the other signature. There's no mystery.
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i looked on ucla 's website for the dr christopher rogers and hes not at that hospital if the coroner i never heard about him have you guys??? :? :?
He's a doctor - coronor - you can look him up here.
http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/license ... mber=55157 (http://licenselookup.mbc.ca.gov/licenselookup/lookup.php?LicenseType=G&LicenseNumber=55157)
hmm well that was weird i looked everywhere now i see it...hmmm strange eh??
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This IS a new DC. The bar codes SHOULD match because it is a census tract number. Each DC we have been given has a different bar code #.
Do we indeed have 7 DCs now? That would make me chuckle.
I am confused as to the purpose of this new DC (other then to round out to the nice number 7). The amendment released last August listed homicide as cause of death so why a new one? Interesting that it was released on Elvis's birthday.
It's not new. It's the same. The recent date printed at the bottom is the purchase date.
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Bar code not matching?
You all mean the "201974" on one and "201975" on the other?
It really looks like it's just one page followed by the other....
Not sure about this as anyone can type some words onto a form.
The question is, who are all these people and can they be traced?
Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Then all these people are real official people, who have signed the certificate ? :?
Yes. The certificate is legitmate. I have ton of them.
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So if it is legit...that only means one thing :( :cry:
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Yes. The certificate is legitmate. I have ton of them.
So, what's now? :(
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Yes. The certificate is legitmate. I have ton of them.
So, what's now? :(
Cry? That's what I'm doing. :cry:
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Here's the link someone asked for.
http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/ (http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/)
It's down, after Brittany.
Other than the form which was redesigned, and the signature on this particular one when it was purchased, everything is the same. It always said homicide. This isn't new news.
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Maybe grasping for straws here but:
**IF** he were in the witness protection program, couldn't/wouldn't that include a real death certificate? :?
At this point, I don't know what other option there could be as I doubt he could pay off EVERYBODY that would need to be involved in this sort of thing. Not that he didn't have the $$, but that someone would have blown the whistle.
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Has TMZ posted a copy of the new death certificate? It would be strange if they haven't .. I'm going to go check ..
TMZ doesn't need to post this because they posted the ammended record when it came out. The forms have been redesigned so they look slightly different. Other than that and the purchase date on the bottom and the clerk that stamped it, the particulars about Michael's death are the same.
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Maybe grasping for straws here but:
**IF** he were in the witness protection program, couldn't/wouldn't that include a real death certificate? :?
At this point, I don't know what other option there could be as I doubt he could pay off EVERYBODY that would need to be involved in this sort of thing. Not that he didn't have the $$, but that someone would have blown the whistle.
I think at this point it looks as if he is truly gone.
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Maybe grasping for straws here but:
**IF** he were in the witness protection program, couldn't/wouldn't that include a real death certificate? :?
At this point, I don't know what other option there could be as I doubt he could pay off EVERYBODY that would need to be involved in this sort of thing. Not that he didn't have the $$, but that someone would have blown the whistle.
I think at this point it looks as if he is truly gone.
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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I just don't see what else it could be.
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Yeah, he's dead. I believe that now.
I don't want to, but I do. I think all the behavior by his family and "friends" is just because they never truly cared for him.
Whatever the big "surprise" is next week, it won't be that MJ is alive.
I bet nothing happens on the 18th and that'll be it.
If something does, well, he'll have proved me wrong, won't he?
Funnily enough, I'm only upset because I had hope and now that hope is gone.
MJ is dead, and it's time I accept that.
That's exatly what I feel like :( :( I'm crying so bad right now. Even if this certificate is fake, it means only one thing HE IS NOT COMING BACK! :( :( :(
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C'mon guys! Stop loosing faith over this!! U can easily fake it these days and it's from a tabloid...
My hope is still hope at 10000%.
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Yeah, he's dead. I believe that now.
I don't want to, but I do. I think all the behavior by his family and "friends" is just because they never truly cared for him.
Whatever the big "surprise" is next week, it won't be that MJ is alive.
I bet nothing happens on the 18th and that'll be it.
If something does, well, he'll have proved me wrong, won't he?
Funnily enough, I'm only upset because I had hope and now that hope is gone.
MJ is dead, and it's time I accept that.
That's exatly what I feel like :( :( I'm crying so bad right now. Even if this certificate is fake, it means only one thing HE IS NOT COMING BACK! :( :( :(
You know, I'm **OK** with him not coming back.
I just don't want him to be dead.
Especially if that's how he died. :cry:
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Guys come on now think about why would anyone be truthful with us about mj's death.
Look there are Fake search warrants in this, That death certficate is fake as well
Dont buy into this , this is just like the trial, just think of the dc as jesus juice
you know that wasnt true but people kept saying it and reporting it.
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Guys come on now think about why would anyone be truthful with us about mj's death.
Look there are Fake search warrants in this, That death certficate is fake as well
Dont buy into this , this is just like the trial, just think of the dc as jesus juice
you know that wasnt true but people kept saying it and reporting it.
I agree! I hope everything is fake. I'm not worried about the new DC that's surfaced. We don't know what the truth is, this isn't going to give us answers. ;)
We all need to keep the faith. We will get through this together and the truth will prevail eventually. Try not to get too upset! ;) :)
:hugs: to everyone! :)
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Death certificates are occasionally used to fake a person's death for insurance fraud and to evade law enforcement officials or irate relatives. "Official" Los Angeles County death certificates, for example, were readily available in the mid-1990s for between $500 and $1,000 each. For fraudulent purposes, people have often used death certificates from remote nations and from countries in turmoil.
Read more: Death Certificate - burial, body, funeral, life, history, cause, time, person http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Dea ... z0cGnRAYSi (http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Death-Certificate.html#ixzz0cGnRAYSi)
http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Dea ... icate.html (http://www.deathreference.com/Da-Em/Death-Certificate.html)
Funny how out of ALL the cities in the United States, it mentions Los Angeles!!! :lol:
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Here's the link someone asked for.
http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/ (http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/)
It's down, after Brittany.
Other than the form which was redesigned, and the signature on this particular one when it was purchased, everything is the same. It always said homicide. This isn't new news.
Thanks! So, if this was released by TMZ back in Sept.. Why is everyone freaking out now?
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does someone have a pic of Jesus Miguel Ruiz and is he dead, and was Michael first in his casket??
I don't if I understood that right?
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Here's the link someone asked for.
http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/ (http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/)
It's down, after Brittany.
Other than the form which was redesigned, and the signature on this particular one when it was purchased, everything is the same. It always said homicide. This isn't new news.
Thanks! So, if this was released by TMZ back in Sept.. Why is everyone freaking out now?
They may have released something similar to it...but wasn't the new one dated Jan 8?
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ok... so has anyone compared the one released by tmz and the one dated Jan 8? if they are practically the same why did they issue another DC??? what are the differences between them??
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ok... so has anyone compared the one released by tmz and the one dated Jan 8? if they are practically the same why did they issue another DC??? what are the differences between them??
That is what I would like to know. Why another DC? I thought there already was one. Maybe because on the first one the death was "undetermined" and not it is supposedly "homicide?" How many DC's does a person need?
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Here's the link someone asked for.
http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/ (http://www.tmz.com/tag/death+certificate/)
It's down, after Brittany.
Other than the form which was redesigned, and the signature on this particular one when it was purchased, everything is the same. It always said homicide. This isn't new news.
Thanks! So, if this was released by TMZ back in Sept.. Why is everyone freaking out now?
On TMZ it's NOT the new one. It's old one we knew!
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Idk what to think anymore I mean I can be wrong but idk about this my stomach is kinda turning and I feel kinda sick :cry: :cry: :cry: I just don't know if I can continue with this now im losing faith and this is just a low blow right now I have to take some time away maybe but I have to study :cry:
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Guys! Cheer up a little bit!!! Like I said a million times before today we can easily fake these kind of document. Maybe this one is not from TMZ but I saw the name of another tabloid trash!! Don't give up yet! We are so close to it!!!!!
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Guys! Cheer up a little bit!!! Like I said a million times before today we can easily fake these kind of document. Maybe this one is not from TMZ but I saw the name of another tabloid trash!! Don't give up yet! We are so close to it!!!!!
It's from News of the world. another tabloid.
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it that
Jesus Miguel Ruiz too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_%C3%81ngel_Ruiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_%C3%81ngel_Ruiz)
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this is from a tabloid, so i'm not taking it seriously! besides, i thought it was established that his real middle name is joe. i think this is just another obstacle being thrown at us...we can't lose hope just because of this! :)
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Every time we get a little closer to the truth, something is divulged or released to make us give up hope and believe that Michael is dead.
The only thing that would make me believe that he is dead is for CM to be convicted and put away for a long time. As he and Paul McCartney said once...."I am alive and I will live forever"
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I've seen this on his official site. The forest lawn address is wrong, should be Glendale, not LA, amendmends posted 01/08 as a "cause of death" homicide after 4 months from last autopcy, but the date of registrary is different on one page it is 07/07,on the other one is 08/31. I think it is fake piece of paper made by photoshop.
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Here is the original one I claim. It was published on September, nothing new about this calm a little bit down.
And this is supposed to be new: But no one knows. It is weird that there are so many DC...maybe just to confuse the people and keep the investigations going...This one on newsoftheworld looks not right like a fake.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)
[attachment=0:s5jbrkcb]michael-jackson-funeral-497185383.jpg[/attachment:s5jbrkcb]
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Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Yes, I posted this in the other thread on this Death Certificate already. Thank you for reposting my research for me and saving me the time. Next time could you include me name because I did spend my time on this. Thanx
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3261#p50835
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In one of the death certificates available on the web given a physician's signature Jonathan E. Fielding today and is the Director of Public Services is also a UCLA teacher. :roll:
Did you notice? The signiture fo Mr. Fielding is a stamp since it is always the same on all copies that we were presented.
A signiture stamp IMO does not mean that the document is legit, especially when it comes to a birth or death certificate - please correct me, those who are familiar with California legal affairs, if I am wrong.
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Here is the original one I claim. It was published on September, nothing new about this calm a little bit down.
And this is supposed to be new: But no one knows. It is weird that there are so many DC...maybe just to confuse the people and keep the investigations going...This one on newsoftheworld looks not right like a fake.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multime ... 81072a.jpg (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00081/jacko_cert2_81072a.jpg)
[attachment=0:6barpy5w]michael-jackson-funeral-497185383.jpg[/attachment:6barpy5w]
signature added to the new one. code numbers and the date is different too. but that's all.
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Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Yes, I posted this in the other thread on this Death Certificate already. Thank you for reposting my research for me and saving me the time. Next time could you include me name because I did spend my time on this. Thanx
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3261#p50835
:lol:
MUST BE HAVING SOME PART OF HIS MISTAKE, I NO saw YOUR TOPIC IN OTHER ACTIVITIES.
THIS HAS ME PERSONAL by others to check the content.
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE YOUR SEARCH, So forgive me.
UNFORTUNATELY YOUR TOPIC not noticed, because when I went to IT OVER SO WAS THIS TOPIC HERE.
THERE IS NO NEED TO BE EDUCATED EVIL ALL ABOUT BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT COARSE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THAT ONLY COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC ON THE SUBJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, receives such information from other people to CHECK.
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Jonathan Fielding MD is listed as the signing Local registrar. He has wiki page.
Jonathan E. Fielding M.D., M.P.H., M.A., M.B.A. is the Director of the Department of Public Health and is the Health Officer for Los Angeles County.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Fielding)
The signatory for the LA Coroners Office is Cheryl Macwillie. She is a Coroner's Lieutenant and Spokesperson.
Los Angeles County Coroner's Lt. Cheryl MacWillie
http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie (http://www.123people.com/s/cheryl+macwillie)
Christopher Rogers MD as the certifying Physician or Coroner. He is listed at the:
LOS ANGELES COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER-CORONER
Forensic Medicine - Christopher Rogers, M.D. 323-343-0715
http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oesweb ... enDocument (http://www.calema.ca.gov/WebPage/oeswebsite.nsf/0/24E79A109ABCF25B8825743C007AB077?OpenDocument)
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Yes, I posted this in the other thread on this Death Certificate already. Thank you for reposting my research for me and saving me the time. Next time could you include me name because I did spend my time on this. Thanx
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3261#p50835
:lol:
MUST BE HAVING SOME PART OF HIS MISTAKE, I NO saw YOUR TOPIC IN OTHER ACTIVITIES.
THIS HAS ME PERSONAL by others to check the content.
BUT IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE YOUR SEARCH, So forgive me.
UNFORTUNATELY YOUR TOPIC not noticed, because when I went to IT OVER SO WAS THIS TOPIC HERE.
THERE IS NO NEED TO BE EDUCATED EVIL ALL ABOUT BEFORE YOU MAKE A COMMENT COARSE YOU SHOULD HAVE CONSIDERED THAT ONLY COMMENT ON THIS TOPIC ON THE SUBJECT.
UNFORTUNATELY, receives such information from other people to CHECK.
Right! That's why you copied my exact phrasing. You copied and pasted my post EXACTLY as I wrote it. Next time credit the person who spent their time doing the research instead of taking the credit for yourself! You also posted it 1 hour and 21 minutes after me, exactly as I wrote it and from your postings English is not your native language. You do know that lying, cheating, stealing are not only reprehensible character flaws but also sinful?
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=3261#p50835
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Weird that this comes out on the birth day of Elvis... But on the otherhand nothing is weird in this case :roll: :roll:
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I think someone is going to alot of trouble to make Michael's death seem legit. First the pics of the crypt are leaked and we all mention how bare and fake they look, then a few months later pictures of a flower strewn crypt are leaked again. We complain about how fake the death certificate looks, signature etc, then one that none of us have seen before is leaked again with official names and titles. So what do you think will be next?
Eithe Michael really has passed OR someone is going out of their way to make us believe that. At the moment I'm sticking with option 2.
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Happy Feet
I agree with you they want us to believe that Michael is dead. The only way that his comeback would work (if there was one planed) is to make people believe that he is dead. There are opinion polls on internet which say that most peole do not believe that he is dead...then it will be not a big surprise if/when he comes back, right ;)
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The fact that we do get amendments of documents presented whenever we found something that would not be correct, the fact that we get reactions from key players in this case - mainly through new publications in mass media makes me wonder who is really stearing the wheel for the time being.
It reminds me of the race of bunny and hedgehog.
Whoever pulls the curtains cannot stop us - he / she / they can only distract us (which they did impressingly with TIAI and TNZ and other sources of amusement).
The fact that since day one we get reactions to what we are talking here underlines to me that we are either participating in an immense ARG or that somebody has to lose a lot to have hide his back as much as they very apparently do. How much do they have to lose if they need to consider several hundreds of "lunatics" worldwide?
I cannot help but still have this triangle of
"expose corrupt docs and pharmacies",
"expose how media work" and
"expose how inefficient justice system is" in my mind.
I truely hope that this is not what this hoax is about because this would not establish a necessary case for me to have cried my eyes off.
We already knew about those three.
So if this was the reason, stop it now please Michael, it's enough.
Another thought:
Murray is the key more than ever.
He's giving the link between medical failure, justice incompetence and media hypocrisy.
Remember the "thank you video", the "court room video", the "posed pictures".
He always appeared as not being real.
More and more we are finding that he represents somebody but is not really that person.
The message he gave on behalf of Michael with Michael's voice.
Accused of not giving enough child support.
Having kids with many women and not care for them enough.
Remember that Murray was said to have quit work because of constant threats?
That he would not leave his house out of fear he would be attacked by mourning fans?
That he got back to his previous work at a later point?
That he had financial difficulties yet could work with so many lawyers?
What if everything that was stated and published about Murray in fact was referring to and giving the truth about Michael and Murray just took the place for Michael as communicating medium / spokesperson as Michael obviously could not?
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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/ ... _popup.jpg (http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/10/article-1242049-07D06676000005DC-481_224x341_popup.jpg)
Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... ation.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1242049/Michael-Jackson-WAS-murdered-Death-certificate-amended-coroner-police-investigation.html)
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Thanks for the links.
IMO this is nothing to worry about. This is giving more indications for the better than anything else.
Why would the picture be subtitled "Keeping faith"?
I would not assume this picture expresses keeping the faith?
Why is that subtitle there anyway in this serious "dramatic" context?
[attachment=0:2g7sjrov]Keeping faith.jpg[/attachment:2g7sjrov]
The article explains
A source said that the Jackson family are 'keeping faith with the police', adding: 'We still feel that there is more than one person responsible for Michael's tragic death.
This is an absolute correct statement and free of any direction into any negative. It is our perception that makes the connotation to "there are several that must be charged" It is the reader's linking the neutral statement to emotions and concluding something that was not said.
Then we are being confronted with the most common kinds of variants of speculation (as usual).
"On the original certificate issued on July 7 deputy coroner Cheryl MacWillie refused to give a cause of death. However after further investigations, the certificate was amended and re-released in August by medical examiner Christopher Thomas. It now states the cause of death on 25th June 2009 as 'homicide'."
"expected to be charged with manslaughter."
"could be prosecuted for 'gross negligence'"
"A spokeswoman for the district attorney's office, however, denied that any decisions have been made. [...] There is no case before us at present and no final decision has been made.'"
"The police investigation was substantially completed by the end of December, the source said." - So they know nothing in press. They have no idea.
And we have another article woven into this one saying
* ANDREW LLOYD WEBBER: Love Never Dies... but here's how I nearly did
;-)
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This IS a new DC. The bar codes SHOULD match because it is a census tract number. Each DC we have been given has a different bar code #.
Do we indeed have 7 DCs now? That would make me chuckle.
I am confused as to the purpose of this new DC (other then to round out to the nice number 7). The amendment released last August listed homicide as cause of death so why a new one? Interesting that it was released on Elvis's birthday.
Wow, bec - that´s amazing!
7 DC´s, the last one leaked on Elvis birthday!
If that doesn´t serve a purpose, I really don´t know... ;)
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1st - that DC at the top of the page that says "For informational purposes only" and "not a valid document" - I wouldn't even wipe my nose with that. It says right. on. the. paper. that it's nothing. :lol:
In one of the death certificates available on the web given a physician's signature Jonathan E. Fielding today and is the Director of Public Services is also a UCLA teacher. :roll:
Did you notice? The signiture fo Mr. Fielding is a stamp since it is always the same on all copies that we were presented.
A signiture stamp IMO does not mean that the document is legit, especially when it comes to a birth or death certificate - please correct me, those who are familiar with California legal affairs, if I am wrong.
I live in a major city, all of the birth and death certificates that I own and have seen were signed with a stamp.
Not sure if that means anything though....
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I live in a major city, all of the birth and death certificates that I own and have seen were signed with a stamp.
Not sure if that means anything though....
Lots of documents are signed with stamps, and yes that is legit. I have taken records to the government offices and they sign that way. It gives office personnel freedom on documents, because who wants to sign their name all that many times?
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I'm very confused as to how many official death certificates (pieces of paper) does one person get for one deceased person ? and what is the process of issuing from the county or state offices. Is there a separate death certificate from the coroner and one from the state?
I can't remember where I saved the image from but I printed off a copy of a death certificate that was posted here. It is printed in official colors and reads. I compared the information out of curiosity and pasted Calif. Death Cert guidelines below to figure out who may be leaking the certificates. Please reply, it's driving me nuts !
Issued by Department of Health Services.
State Title Number is printed 3052009085414
Local Registration Number is BLACKED out
Name: Michael Joseph Jackson
Latoya's signature BLACKED out
line 42 Signature Embalmer? BLACKED out, License Number BLACKED out
line 46 Signature of Local (something?) BLACKED out and License # BLACKED out
Cheryl Macwillie, Deputy Coroner Dated: 07/07/2009
Above Signature BLACKED out
BAR CODE 109007157
Health Services Registrar purple ink stamp Jona (something)Fielding
At the bottom the date issued is stamped Sep -1st 2009
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The certificate in the post today is a black and white copy
Issued by: State of California Registrar - Recorder / County Clerk
State Title Number is totally missing
Local Registration Number is 3200919027107
Name: Michael Joseph Jackson
Latoya's signature BLACKED out
line 42 Signature Embalmer? Jesus Miquel Ruiz is typed in License number 8473
line 46 Signature of Local (something??):Jonathan Fielding MD Typed in
Place of death R Reagan UCLA address is Blocked out black
Cheryl Macwillie, Deputy Coroner Dated: 07/07/2009
Above SIGNATURE TYPED IN not written
BAR CODE 00201974
Health Services Registrar purple ink stamp Dean C. Logan
Above the bar code dated: Jan 8, 2010
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Guidelines to Obtaining an Authorized Certified Copy of a Death Certificate
Pursuant to California Health and Safety Code Section 103526 only specific individuals are allowed to receive an AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY of a death record.
An AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY of a death record may be required to obtain death benefits, claim insurance proceeds, notify social security and obtain other services related to an individual's identity. Please see below for list of authorized individuals.
Those who are not authorized may receive an INFORMATIONAL CERTIFIED COPY with the words "INFORMATIONAL, NOT A VALID DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH IDENTITY" imprinted across the face of the copy.
Individuals permitted to receive an AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY:
* The registrant or a parent or legal guardian of the registrant
* A party entitled to receive the record as a result of a court order, or an attorney or a licensed adoption agency seeking the birth record in order to comply with the requirements of Section 3140 or 7603 of the Family Code
* A member of a law enforcement agency or a representative of another governmental agency, as provided by law, who is conducting official business
* A child, grandparent, grandchild, sibling, spouse or domestic partner of the registrant
* An attorney representing the registrant or the registrant's estate, or any person or agency empowered by statute or appointed by a court to act on behalf of the registrant or the registrant estate
* Any funeral director that orders certified copies of a death certificate on behalf of any individual specified in paragraphs (1) to (5), inclusive, of subdivision (a) of Section 7100 of the Health and Safety Code
Thanks, xoxoxo
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Correction on certificate info... the first cert posted is from the COUNTY Health Service.
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I'm sorry, I don't have info what you just posted karma, but I do want to say something about the signatures being blacked out.
I doubt that even if we get to see a REAL certificate of death on Michael(or any other celebrity for that matter), that it would leave the signatures showing. If the coroner's, officer's, and whoever's signatures are showing then anyone could print out a copy of a death certificate, fill it out, and forge the signature to fake a death for whatever reason.
At the same time, the signatures could be blacked out because there are no signatures there....
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She looks more angry than sad.. Angry that people hated MJ for no-reason, so MJ had to leave his children for a while for his own safety.
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this is from a tabloid, so i'm not taking it seriously! besides, i thought it was established that his real middle name is joe. i think this is just another obstacle being thrown at us...we can't lose hope just because of this! :)
Yaya, I think you are right. All we have here is an image released firstly by a... tabloid... They say they confirmed with the coroner - we only have their word. IMO, it still doesn't mean the case is closed. I think that more important than the certificates, is what's going to happen do the Doctor. Despite of all the news recently released, we still don't have any certainties, any definitive news. We'd better wait and see what happens next, instead of losing hope.
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I think that it is interesting that this on-line tabloid puts this certificate out and claims that they have confirmed with the coroner's office that it is legit. Next thing you know the information spreads like wildfire and if you google michael jackson, there are just pages of the death certificate and how he was now murdered all over the world.
It is like what MIchael said...don't believe everything you read. It is just amazing how quickly and wide the news has spread. And we are talking about a previously unpublished document. Where did it come from? Did the coroner's office leak it? :?
It is all too weird, but I am praying that it is just all part of the hoax! 8-)
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If this is the final death certificate then why does it still state "deferred"? Is the coroner unsure that acute propofol intoxication was the cause of "death" its like it was added as an afterthought...if Murray hadn't confessed would the cause of "death" still have been the same? Below is an exert from the book "How to Probate an Estate in California" make of it what you will.
(http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac126/the_gloved_one/MJ/5668636621233_0_ALB.jpg?t=1263497709)
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Bad or good news so far?
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I would say good ? :?
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I would say good ? :?
thank you :D
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We don't know the codes on that second page, but there are two lines that are interesting:
122 - UNK (unknown?)
123 - RESIDENCE
Is 122 maybe the time of death? And 123 the place of death?
Time of death: unknown
Place of death: Residence /MJ's home
That would be news... :?
I've found out what the field numbers (codes) mean in the statement of corrections on page 2 of the DC
107A = IMMEDIATE CAUSE OF DEATH
107AT = APPROX. INTERVAL BETWEEN ONSET AND DEATH
112 = OTHER SIGNIFICANT CONDITIONS
119 = MANNER OF DEATH
120 = INJURY AT WORK?
121 = DATE OF INJURY
122 = HOUR OF INJURY
123 = PACE OF INJURY
125 = LOCATION OF PLACE OF INJURY
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