Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => Michael's Life & Clues He Left Us => Michael's features, habits & disguises => Topic started by: MJonmind on August 24, 2010, 06:00:08 AM
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I'm not saying I'm convinced of the twin theory, but the MJ in the Bashir interviews has troubled me for a long time in all honesty. Now that I have learned how to do screenshots (I'm technologically slow) I wanted to ask you Souza, if these are the two seperate Michael twins of your theory? There's something about these MJ's that is so close yet different, something about the lips, the eyes, the chin, and is Michael in fact telling us this as well? I just don't know. :? I'm open to believing whatever I'm utterly convinced of by facts. I know you mentioned before about DD saying his mother had kept it a secret (LKL), as if she was referring to the twin secret and not that DD had visited Encino. Thanks!
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You take two pictures from different angles and different facial expressions (which were taken weeks or possibly months apart) and wonder why they don't match?
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You take two pictures from different angles and different facial expressions (which were taken weeks or possibly months apart) and wonder why they don't match?
I have made dozens of screen shots from this interview and compared them. There two don't match during the entire interview, no matter what angle and whatever facial expression.
We have seen this one:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9336)
after the Batshit interview again. It's not possible to keep changing back and forth.
These are clearly two different persons.
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I know you've only asked Souza, but i'm going to tell you what i think anyway ;) .
1. MJ has a twin brother -> NO (imo)
2. There is a double -> YES (imo)
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There are a few doubles! ;)
And yes...two different MJ's... :shock:
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We have said months ago that it doesn't have to be a bio twin, but there is definitely something up and something tells me it's more than just a double. The 2 in the screenshots don't match in my opinion. The top one is him, the bottom one has different eyes, a completely different smile... Mike fooled Batshit there, no doubt. He might not have realized it would be the start of the second allegations. Maybe there was a plan back then already.
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
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And another one
(http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/Living_6.30.jpg)
Why would Michael have his doubles up in close and personal, i find that hard to believe
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
I can imagine he always used make-up when he went public..
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We have said months ago that it doesn't have to be a bio twin, but there is definitely something up and something tells me it's more than just a double. The 2 in the screenshots don't match in my opinion. The top one is him, the bottom one has different eyes, a completely different smile... Mike fooled Batshit there, no doubt. He might not have realized it would be the start of the second allegations. Maybe there was a plan back then already.
I don't want to say that I believe in doubles yet. Impersonators, yes. However, I still remember when I first watched that special years ago. I remember my own confusion over the slight differences in Michael yet I chalked it up to maybe footage taken months apart from each other and possibly makeup, lighting, clothes, etc. However, I keep thinking about the confused look that Bashir gets on his face at different times where he seems to be studying Michael's face as if to say "something is different....don't know what".
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
I can imagine he always used make-up when he went public..
He had to use makeup, to cover his blotches from the pigmentation
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
I can imagine he always used make-up when he went public..
He had to use makeup, to cover his blotches from the pigmentation
Exactly. But you say in your post above that the one is Michael as well, just without make-up.
To me he looks pretty different on both pics, although both are "Michael", and I´m not so sure that it´s due to make-up...
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
I can imagine he always used make-up when he went public..
He had to use makeup, to cover his blotches from the pigmentation
Exactly. But you say in your post above that the one is Michael as well, just without make-up.
To me he looks pretty different on both pics, although both are "Michael", and I´m not so sure that it´s due to make-up...
Well i know for sure that bashier was following Michael for 8 months maybe during that 8 months Michael reconstructed his face, i don't know, confused :(
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No way in hell this is a double
http://video.clipta.com/Living_with_Mic ... cd51b6d284 (http://video.clipta.com/Living_with_Michael_Jackson_%28Part_4%29__v808039baf2cd51b6d284)
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
I can imagine he always used make-up when he went public..
He had to use makeup, to cover his blotches from the pigmentation
Exactly. But you say in your post above that the one is Michael as well, just without make-up.
To me he looks pretty different on both pics, although both are "Michael", and I´m not so sure that it´s due to make-up...
Well i know for sure that bashier was following Michael for 8 months maybe during that 8 months Michael reconstructed his face, i don't know, confused :(
If he did so, Bashir would have known that Michael had sth on his face done.
I don´t say that it´s not Michael... but something in those two pictures and in his appearance in the documentary is off in his looks..
Also, I don´t think it´s only the jaw that looks different for example...it´s also a..hm..you may call it feeling, but i can´t put my finger on it.
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All I know is that throughout his career, and especially late 90's and beyond, I always thought Michael looked different each time I saw him. I would see him once and think he looked great, and see him the next time and wonder what was different about him - did he have more surgery? - and then I would see him another time and think he looked great again.
(And I don't mean this to be disrespectful, I always think he was beautiful.)
But my point is, how can someone go back and forth like that? I mean we all have days where we look better than other days, but bone structure doesn't change back and forth.
I agree that something is up. Whether it's a hired double or an actual sibling, I don't know. But something is up.
I've thought about this quite a bit, about Michael having a brother/double... perhaps that was part of the plastic surgery plan..to make himself look different than than the double. That would force the double into having surgery too, but every person's surgery results are different.. which would explain why we see two different Michael's.
This also makes me think of the "Always great to sing with my brother" thing. And Michael said "brother" a lot in songs, that may be questionable. "Who is it, is it a friend of mine, is it my brother", "If you're thinkin about my brother it don't matter if you're black or white - I ain't scared of you brother, etc" Just might be a clue that he's always singing about his brother (singular) when he has so many brothers (you would think it would be plural). But maybe I'm looking too far into it.
My point is, Mike clearly had doubles... I am just so anxious to find out the entire truth about it.
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This also makes me think of the "Always great to sing with my brother" thing. And Michael said "brother" a lot in songs, that may be questionable. "Who is it, is it a friend of mine, is it my brother", "If you're thinkin about my brother it don't matter if you're black or white - I ain't scared of you brother, etc" Just might be a clue that he's always singing about his brother (singular) when he has so many brothers (you would think it would be plural). But maybe I'm looking too far into it.
My point is, Mike clearly had doubles... I am just so anxious to find out the entire truth about it.
I´ve thought about the songs as well, especially the Black or White part. Because Michael´s skin colour changed from being black into being white, and "it don´t matter", because he´s still the same person. But then both would have had the skin colour changes, wouldn´t they?
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In the song "black or white" he sings:
I Said If
You're Thinkin' Of
Being My Brother
It Don't Matter If You're
Black Or White
...and this is what the song is about, he is not talking about his brother.
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In the song "black or white" he sings:
I Said If
You're Thinkin' Of
Being My Brother
It Don't Matter If You're
Black Or White
...and this is what the song is about, he is not talking about his brother.
He says "brother" again in the bridge of that song.
And I see your point of view, but I also know when it comes to songwriting - things are often left open to interpretation and can have double meanings.
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Michael is a master of disguise - he's been doing it since the early days and thus has perfected the art. Even his brother Marlon mentioned his love of disguises at the Memorial - that he was so good at it that even his own family were fooled. I don't believe there's a twin brother, but I do believe there have been MJ doubles, plus Michael has used prosthetic makeup at certain times. I'm also of the opinion that Martin Bashir was part of the hoax. I know at lot of people won't agree with me, but it's just a hunch I've had since watching the Bashir interviews. Michael wanted to convey a certain image to perpetuate the 'wacko jacko' myth, and Martin Bashir was the one he chose to set the wheels in motion. I could be totally off the track here, and I don't mind if it turns out I am wrong. As I said before, it's just a hunch. All I do know is that Michael has outwitted everyone over the years and he will have the last laugh :lol:
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When I saw the programmes I thought they might have used a double
The first picture was michael and he was so strong there and confident the second picture he looked fragile and his charactor was more childlike and fragile it had me thinking the michael on my profile is the stronger one the real one I think
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All I know is that throughout his career, and especially late 90's and beyond, I always thought Michael looked different each time I saw him. I would see him once and think he looked great, and see him the next time and wonder what was different about him - did he have more surgery? - and then I would see him another time and think he looked great again.
Jaci - I had the same reaction as you so you aren't alone. I too think Michael is a handsome man but each time it would be like "what is different"?
I still don't buy the double theory. Sorry - it's too far out there for me. But, everyone is talking brother but what about a cousin that looks like him? My father came from large family. I have 52 first cousins on that side of my family. There are two of us that are really close in looks. We are about the same age, height, weight, etc. Just saying...maybe a cousin or another relative has stood in for him at times. With that I want to say that I don't believe Michael would ever have another person do one of his live performances. But that is my personal opinion.
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If that can helps you?! ;)
Michael always carried wig, even when it had the hair runs.
On the two photographs it has two different wig.
The face is higher on the photograph or he will smile. :!:
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Thanks for the helpful morph and :oops: tender MJ kiss, BambiMJ. It's inevitable that we go deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole. When Michael was interviewed while sitting at his fountain at Encino, he said he loved illusion and magic, and try to put it into EVERYTHING he did. He looked around 20 there. I've been examining over and over all the pictures from youngest childhood to later, and some you can clearly see the indent on his left cheek from where the mole was removed, and most you don't see it at all (he sings "holy moley").
Then there's the movie "Prestige" where we find in the end that the way the disappearing act was achieved was the magician had an identical twin that had even amputated a couple of fingers just to look alike. I know it's just a fictional movie, but then did similarly a black man without vitiligo strip his pigment to look like the other, Michael. But then I think maybe Michael just wants us to think there is a twin--it's a deliberate trick, an illusion of two, but there's only one. My head is spinning. :shock: I know there are hundreds of little clues in pics, lyrics, interviews that suggest a twin, that people have pointed out over this year. There's MJ's speech where he's with Janet, and says that puts another rumor to rest, me and Janet really are two different people (double meaning?). Then all the references to a single brother (twin). That doesn't necessarily mean there is one, but amplifies MJ's genius in creating the illusion of a twin, since you never actually see close-ups of both faces in one pic. It might explain why MJ was constantly going to Dr. Klein for facial adjustments. [attachment=1:w8rjn5zn]o2mj_2[1].jpg[/attachment:w8rjn5zn][attachment=0:w8rjn5zn]o2mj_3[1].jpg[/attachment:w8rjn5zn] We never see these two at the same time, but one was in front of the curtain and the other behind supposedly. It may forever be entertainment's best kept secret, and it keeps me awake. :?
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To me I think that he looks very different in the two pics not just because of makeup. The eyes look different shaped & smaller in the second picture. The lips are fuller in the second picture & a different shape. There's a difference even in the attitude, tone of voice & the way they speak during the interviews. I'm sure he had doubles he could've used whenever he didn't want to do something. If he got tired of Bashir or decided he didn't want to participate one day or he wasn't feeling well, he very well could've used a double. Im not 100% sure that it is a double, it could be MJ, but they look very different imo.
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Arena O2.
The first image is on the scene O2 and second is at the exit to take its car. :?:
Not same nose. :o
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Arena O2.
The first image is on the scene O2 and second is at the exit to take its car. :?:
Not same nose. :o
The mouth & teeth look a bit different too. Hmmm...
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I am speechless! :o
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I found it confusing when I first saw the interview as well. It definately looks like two different people in the two photographs to me. The person in the first picture is at least 10 pounds heavier than the person in the second photohgraph. His attitude and mannerisms are different as well in the interview. But why in the world would MJ use a double in an interview that would be aired in front of millions of people, knowing there would be close up screen shots of his face? It just doesn't make sense.
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Special Effects. If we take a look at the pictures you will see that the noses are totally different. It could be the same person or a different person, that is the best part of the illusion. We need take a look at the making of Ghost in which he was transformed into the Mayor. Watch the entire video from the beginning to the end and through the credits rolling.
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IMO the first Bashir picture looks like a thicker version of the 30th Anniversary premiere in 2001 (and we all know something was up there). The second one looks like an older version of "Scream" Michael. Which I think is the real deal. Why would he use a double somewhere he's shown up close? Because IF he's using that double for a while, and no one noticed then, why would anyone notice now?
Just my two cents.
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I just remember, michael suffers from lupus and lupus can effect a person face. It was really bad back in 2001 and 2002
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Michael is a master of disguise - he's been doing it since the early days and thus has perfected the art. Even his brother Marlon mentioned his love of disguises at the Memorial - that he was so good at it that even his own family were fooled. I don't believe there's a twin brother, but I do believe there have been MJ doubles, plus Michael has used prosthetic makeup at certain times.
That is exactly what I have been thinking as well.
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Arena O2.
The first image is on the scene O2 and second is at the exit to take its car. :?:
Not same nose. :o
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9363/sameq.jpg)
same person!
the problems here are: lighting and angle!
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7606/same2.jpg)
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I just remember, michael suffers from lupus and lupus can effect a person face. It was really bad back in 2001 and 2002
That's what I think. See, I suffer from fibromyalgia, that's a disease like a sort of poor man's lupus. In fact I was under lupus suspect for a time, but I have fibro. Well I have to use Topical corticosteroid creams to fight many skin disorders and I know corticosteroids have a leading role in some changings in physical features and even upon mood changings.
People who suffers from lupus often use corticosteroids through pills and IV. It's like a bomb! Corticosteroids may change your skin, hair and even bones features.
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I just remember, michael suffers from lupus and lupus can effect a person face. It was really bad back in 2001 and 2002
That's what I think. See, I suffer from fibromyalgia, that's a disease like a sort of poor man's lupus. In fact I was under lupus suspect for a time, but I have fibro. Well I have to use Topical corticosteroid creams to fight many skin disorders and I know corticosteroids have a leading role in some changings in physical features and even upon mood changings.
People who suffers from lupus often use corticosteroids through pills and IV. It's like a bomb! Corticosteroids may change your skin, hair and even bones features.
THANKS GOD! <3
Deepak Chopra: Michael Jackson Had Lupus
http://www.people.com/people/package/ar ... 62,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20288162,00.html)
SLE (Systemic lupus erythematosus)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3939/0251am3.th.jpg) (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/0251am3.jpg/)
Corticosteroid Side Effects
Corticosteroids may:
* produce changes in physical appearance:
o weight gain
o puffy cheeks
o thinning of the skin and hair
o easy bruising.
http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarti ... rticle.htm (http://www.lupus.org/webmodules/webarticlesnet/templates/default.aspx?a=84&template=print-article.htm)
LUPUS: you need to consider it before you talk about DOUBLES. :roll:
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Conjoined MJ (at the neck). I've always said two heads are better than one.
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
This may sound harsh, but that means 'mission accomplished'. What difference does it make? You love Michael Jackson - The King of Pop. That is not Michael Jackson - The Man. You need to accept that they are two different persons. And I am not saying MJ - The Man is not a great humanitarian, or a caring and loving person, but he is different from the person we have been seeing all these years in public. So if he would have thrown in a double sometimes for protection, or other reasons, what does it matter? If you enjoyed that doubles appearance as much as MJ's (and you clearly did, because you can't make out if you saw a double and if so, when) then why should there be a problem? It's a little hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean.
It has been known for years he used them for safety and distraction, so why are people so surprised? I would have been surprised if he didn't use doubles. And he wouldn't be the only celebrity who does so.
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
This may sound harsh, but that means 'mission accomplished'. What difference does it make? You love Michael Jackson - The King of Pop. That is not Michael Jackson - The Man. You need to accept that they are two different persons. And I am not saying MJ - The Man is not a great humanitarian, or a caring and loving person, but he is different from the person we have been seeing all these years in public. So if he would have thrown in a double sometimes for protection, or other reasons, what does it matter? If you enjoyed that doubles appearance as much as MJ's (and you clearly did, because you can't make out if you saw a double and if so, when) then why should there be a problem? It's a little hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean.
It has been known for years he used them for safety and distraction, so why are people so surprised? I would have been surprised if he didn't use doubles. And he wouldn't be the only celebrity who does so.
So, basically what you're saying is we'll never know what the REAL Michael is like? :?
What about the private home movies or private calls? That was the real Michael, and I think I would feel weird if it was before June 25 and I saw "Michael" in public, gave him a hug, got a picture & autograph, and it wasn't even the real MJ. I would feel like I just hugged a complete stranger, I guess it doesnt matter if I don't realize the difference, but I think I would be able to tell if I was face to face with a double. I haven't met Michael before so I really wouldn't know. Anyway, I understand what you're saying though, But I just hate the whole double thing, not saying that I don't believe it, I just don't like it. :/
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
This may sound harsh, but that means 'mission accomplished'. What difference does it make? You love Michael Jackson - The King of Pop. That is not Michael Jackson - The Man. You need to accept that they are two different persons. And I am not saying MJ - The Man is not a great humanitarian, or a caring and loving person, but he is different from the person we have been seeing all these years in public. So if he would have thrown in a double sometimes for protection, or other reasons, what does it matter? If you enjoyed that doubles appearance as much as MJ's (and you clearly did, because you can't make out if you saw a double and if so, when) then why should there be a problem? It's a little hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean.
It has been known for years he used them for safety and distraction, so why are people so surprised? I would have been surprised if he didn't use doubles. And he wouldn't be the only celebrity who does so.
So, basically what you're saying is we'll never know what the REAL Michael is like? :?
What about the private home movies or private calls? That was the real Michael, and I think I would feel weird if it was before June 25 and I saw "Michael" in public, gave him a hug, got a picture & autograph, and it wasn't even the real MJ. I would feel like I just hugged a complete stranger, I guess it doesnt matter if I don't realize the difference, but I think I would be able to tell if I was face to face with a double. I haven't met Michael before so I really wouldn't know. Anyway, I understand what you're saying though, But I just hate the whole double thing, not saying that I don't believe it, I just don't like it. :/
The private home movies are just a snippet of his life, you can't know how someone is just by watching those videos. He only showed us what he wanted us to see, remember? I think most fans wouldn't see the difference when they are face to face because for what I have seen on some videos they are mostly too excited to pay attention, haha! And I don't think that he used doubles that much, so I think most fans don't have to worry at all. And the double would not be more of a stranger than Mike, would he?
I don't know if we will ever know what he is really like, that depends. But the TII poster said "Discover the man you knew" so that seems as though he is opening up and wanting his fans to see the real him, if only they accept that that he might be different than they think.
Maybe it's easier for me, I was never a fan and I think most celebrities don't show their 'real me'. I have met some Dutch celebs and they were always different than what I had seen in the media. My brother works in the Dutch entertainment industry and he sometimes tells me something about how some of the celebs are behind the scenes, and sometimes it's the opposite of how I thought they were. It's work, it's business. You want to sell albums, or make people go see your movie. That means you can't say or do everything you would like in public. You don't share your personal problems or feelings or mistakes with the world, unless you need to. There is a man behind that mask that has habbits (yes even bad ones) you had never expected, I am sure of that. If I would only go by the features portrayed by his fans, he is an angel 24/7, he is naive, he is fragile and he loves every human being. I don't buy that for a second. With that I am not saying he is the opposite, I am only saying that those are his sensitive and good points. I also think he's a very intelligent business man, who wants it his way, can be very stubborn and that he at times is disgusted by some of the fans who rip him apart. I think he is way stronger than people give him credit for and I think he has a great and sarcastic kind of humor when I look at some developments in this hoax. I also don't believe he loves every person on this planet, I even think he feels a deep hatred for a select couple, and rightly! That doesn't make him a bad person, not at all! That makes him human. Just take a look in the mirror. I am sure the majority of the people on this planet has a good heart, but we all have our 'dark' and unpleasant side. That makes this world interesting. That's why people should never think "MJ would never do that", because you don't know. Don't hate the fact that he used doubles, because he sure had some good reasons for it, but think outside the box a little more and see the genius in all this. I could be completely wrong about him though, I am just thinking out loud. I don't know him, never met the guy in my life and maybe he is angelic 24/7, naive, fragile and he does really love every person on this planet, but I hope you get my point.
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
This may sound harsh, but that means 'mission accomplished'. What difference does it make? You love Michael Jackson - The King of Pop. That is not Michael Jackson - The Man. You need to accept that they are two different persons. And I am not saying MJ - The Man is not a great humanitarian, or a caring and loving person, but he is different from the person we have been seeing all these years in public. So if he would have thrown in a double sometimes for protection, or other reasons, what does it matter? If you enjoyed that doubles appearance as much as MJ's (and you clearly did, because you can't make out if you saw a double and if so, when) then why should there be a problem? It's a little hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean.
It has been known for years he used them for safety and distraction, so why are people so surprised? I would have been surprised if he didn't use doubles. And he wouldn't be the only celebrity who does so.
So, basically what you're saying is we'll never know what the REAL Michael is like? :?
What about the private home movies or private calls? That was the real Michael, and I think I would feel weird if it was before June 25 and I saw "Michael" in public, gave him a hug, got a picture & autograph, and it wasn't even the real MJ. I would feel like I just hugged a complete stranger, I guess it doesnt matter if I don't realize the difference, but I think I would be able to tell if I was face to face with a double. I haven't met Michael before so I really wouldn't know. Anyway, I understand what you're saying though, But I just hate the whole double thing, not saying that I don't believe it, I just don't like it. :/
The private home movies are just a snippet of his life, you can't know how someone is just by watching those videos. He only showed us what he wanted us to see, remember? I think most fans wouldn't see the difference when they are face to face because for what I have seen on some videos they are mostly too excited to pay attention, haha! And I don't think that he used doubles that much, so I think most fans don't have to worry at all. And the double would not be more of a stranger than Mike, would he?
I don't know if we will ever know what he is really like, that depends. But the TII poster said "Discover the man you knew" so that seems as though he is opening up and wanting his fans to see the real him, if only they accept that that he might be different than they think.
Maybe it's easier for me, I was never a fan and I think most celebrities don't show their 'real me'. I have met some Dutch celebs and they were always different than what I had seen in the media. My brother works in the Dutch entertainment industry and he sometimes tells me something about how some of the celebs are behind the scenes, and sometimes it's the opposite of how I thought they were. It's work, it's business. You want to sell albums, or make people go see your movie. That means you can't say or do everything you would like in public. You don't share your personal problems or feelings or mistakes with the world, unless you need to. There is a man behind that mask that has habbits (yes even bad ones) you had never expected, I am sure of that. If I would only go by the features portrayed by his fans, he is an angel 24/7, he is naive, he is fragile and he loves every human being. I don't buy that for a second. With that I am not saying he is the opposite, I am only saying that those are his sensitive and good points. I also think he's a very intelligent business man, who wants it his way, can be very stubborn and that he at times is disgusted by some of the fans who rip him apart. I think he is way stronger than people give him credit for and I think he has a great and sarcastic kind of humor when I look at some developments in this hoax. I also don't believe he loves every person on this planet, I even think he feels a deep hatred for a select couple, and rightly! That doesn't make him a bad person, not at all! That makes him human. Just take a look in the mirror. I am sure the majority of the people on this planet has a good heart, but we all have our 'dark' and unpleasant side. That makes this world interesting. That's why people should never think "MJ would never do that", because you don't know. Don't hate the fact that he used doubles, because he sure had some good reasons for it, but think outside the box a little more and see the genius in all this. I could be completely wrong about him though, I am just thinking out loud. I don't know him, never met the guy in my life and maybe he is angelic 24/7, naive, fragile and he does really love every person on this planet, but I hope you get my point.
Well, yeah i guess you're right. I'm not saying he is an angel all the time, he is something of an angel to me, but I'm sure he has his moments just like everybody else. And I'm sure he does feel hatred for people! Tom Sneddon for example ;) The whole double thing just kind of makes me feel uncomfortable though. :? But I do understand what you're saying.
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I never really noticed the differences in the two pics of Mike at the top of the page in the Bashit interview. They definitely look like two different pics :o Wow! his face looks thinner in the second and the first one, it looks fuller :?:
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i really hate the double theory. Not sure if i believe it or not.
Michael, WHY use doubles & confuse your fans like this. :( I'll never know who the REAL MJ is, because I can never tell the doubles that "Michael uses" apart, if there are any.
This may sound harsh, but that means 'mission accomplished'. What difference does it make? You love Michael Jackson - The King of Pop. That is not Michael Jackson - The Man. You need to accept that they are two different persons. And I am not saying MJ - The Man is not a great humanitarian, or a caring and loving person, but he is different from the person we have been seeing all these years in public. So if he would have thrown in a double sometimes for protection, or other reasons, what does it matter? If you enjoyed that doubles appearance as much as MJ's (and you clearly did, because you can't make out if you saw a double and if so, when) then why should there be a problem? It's a little hard to explain, but I hope you get what I mean.
It has been known for years he used them for safety and distraction, so why are people so surprised? I would have been surprised if he didn't use doubles. And he wouldn't be the only celebrity who does so.
So, basically what you're saying is we'll never know what the REAL Michael is like? :?
What about the private home movies or private calls? That was the real Michael, and I think I would feel weird if it was before June 25 and I saw "Michael" in public, gave him a hug, got a picture & autograph, and it wasn't even the real MJ. I would feel like I just hugged a complete stranger, I guess it doesnt matter if I don't realize the difference, but I think I would be able to tell if I was face to face with a double. I haven't met Michael before so I really wouldn't know. Anyway, I understand what you're saying though, But I just hate the whole double thing, not saying that I don't believe it, I just don't like it. :/
The private home movies are just a snippet of his life, you can't know how someone is just by watching those videos. He only showed us what he wanted us to see, remember? I think most fans wouldn't see the difference when they are face to face because for what I have seen on some videos they are mostly too excited to pay attention, haha! And I don't think that he used doubles that much, so I think most fans don't have to worry at all. And the double would not be more of a stranger than Mike, would he?
I don't know if we will ever know what he is really like, that depends. But the TII poster said "Discover the man you knew" so that seems as though he is opening up and wanting his fans to see the real him, if only they accept that that he might be different than they think.
Maybe it's easier for me, I was never a fan and I think most celebrities don't show their 'real me'. I have met some Dutch celebs and they were always different than what I had seen in the media. My brother works in the Dutch entertainment industry and he sometimes tells me something about how some of the celebs are behind the scenes, and sometimes it's the opposite of how I thought they were. It's work, it's business. You want to sell albums, or make people go see your movie. That means you can't say or do everything you would like in public. You don't share your personal problems or feelings or mistakes with the world, unless you need to. There is a man behind that mask that has habbits (yes even bad ones) you had never expected, I am sure of that. If I would only go by the features portrayed by his fans, he is an angel 24/7, he is naive, he is fragile and he loves every human being. I don't buy that for a second. With that I am not saying he is the opposite, I am only saying that those are his sensitive and good points. I also think he's a very intelligent business man, who wants it his way, can be very stubborn and that he at times is disgusted by some of the fans who rip him apart. I think he is way stronger than people give him credit for and I think he has a great and sarcastic kind of humor when I look at some developments in this hoax. I also don't believe he loves every person on this planet, I even think he feels a deep hatred for a select couple, and rightly! That doesn't make him a bad person, not at all! That makes him human. Just take a look in the mirror. I am sure the majority of the people on this planet has a good heart, but we all have our 'dark' and unpleasant side. That makes this world interesting. That's why people should never think "MJ would never do that", because you don't know. Don't hate the fact that he used doubles, because he sure had some good reasons for it, but think outside the box a little more and see the genius in all this. I could be completely wrong about him though, I am just thinking out loud. I don't know him, never met the guy in my life and maybe he is angelic 24/7, naive, fragile and he does really love every person on this planet, but I hope you get my point.
Wow, Souza, that was such a great piece- I realize as I read it that that is exactly the way I have thought of him all of this time, since before the hoax! And I think he's always been this: a very intelligent business man, who wants it his way, can be very stubborn and that he at times is disgusted by some of the fans who rip him apart. I think he is way stronger than people give him credit for and I think he has a great and sarcastic kind of humor when I look at some developments in this hoax.
way. (you really took the description right out of brain! Though I'll add that I think he'd rather cut his tongue out rather than actually tell the public/fans that little factoid, even though I wish he would have a while back.. >_< ) Even back in the OTW and Thriller eras when he really "seemed" like this: he features portrayed by his fans, he is an angel 24/7, he is naive, he is fragile and he loves every human being.
..! He just made way fewer public appearances back then and everyone bought into all of that extreme "childlike-ness" he put out back then , but I'll wager that his personality- and his strength, most importantly, haven't ever been too different..
Oh, but I really dislike saying "dark sides" about people, I don't know, I've just always been anti- "darkness" and negativity- even so, I'd rather say our negative sides.
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just gonna be honest here...i don't think there were doubles in the the Bashir interview...all MikeyBear...imo
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Watch the first video from 4:20:
[youtube:16izm63k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpV6unicm_Q&feature=related[/youtube:16izm63k]
watch this video:
[youtube:16izm63k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ahDI8zd34&feature=related[/youtube:16izm63k]
Michael told us the true he had just 2 surgeries. just watch him. You see the MJ from the Bad era.. only older! you recognize him just the way he was. I can not do that with the other ''MJ's'' from the documentry. The reason why MJ used his own lights was becuz he was the one sitting there, not another DOUBLE!...
MJ is not about the nose, the hair or his style. You should watch videos from 1980 till 1993. watch Moonwalker. you see the ONLY REAL MJ in these 2 videos. the rest of those men are DOUBLES!! just watch his laugh...You recognize the old MJ! only a little bit older. the way he speaks.
Michael Jackson:
(http://www.radiokeysdan.com/images/michael-jackson-is-.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9500000/Bad-MJ-3-the-bad-era-9558443-499-363.jpg)
(http://allforloveblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/living-with-michael-jackson.jpg)
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I realized every time Michael used Makeup, he always looks different. Thats all Micahel imo, but hes not wearing makeup in the second picture
looked how he looked when he was wearing that green shirt, hes wearing makeup on.
(http://www.culch.ie/images/MichaelJackson002.jpg)
Best post!!! Agree agree!!!
I see ONE Michael only
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Michael is a master of disguise - he's been doing it since the early days and thus has perfected the art. Even his brother Marlon mentioned his love of disguises at the Memorial - that he was so good at it that even his own family were fooled. I don't believe there's a twin brother, but I do believe there have been MJ doubles, plus Michael has used prosthetic makeup at certain times.
That is exactly what I have been thinking as well.
Very good post. Excellent clarification for all those doubters!
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Oh, but I really dislike saying "dark sides" about people, I don't know, I've just always been anti- "darkness" and negativity- even so, I'd rather say our negative sides.
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I for my part have no real problem, accepting his "dark sides", his little secrets, which don't have to be negative sides, in the sense of a bad character. We only see his outside, and he would be a fool to tell everyone of his deepest inside feelings, turned upside down to everyone, who would only wait for them to be exposed to condemn him again for lack of a better understanding of the Whys and Hows and Whens.
It is mostly better for an image to maintain the angelic side, but as he is only human, he is entitled to be not only one-sided (and he may have many different sides to his personality, not openly shown).
He has a right to have his "dark sides" (if he has them), his inner world is none of the world's business, and I am sure, we all don't know in detail, what he really is like. He certainly wouldn't tell. The human mind is free, and that is ok with me, as long as it doesn't reduce the rights of others, which doesn't seem to be the case. At least I haven't heard of it.
It is a bit difficult to explain, but I think, he has had it all, probably more than the normal guy next door, who hasn't had gone through the experience he had in his career, being surrounded by the people in the music industry like him, his childhood, his very special life as a superstar, his loneliness, his longing for more privacy, his hiding from the people, chasing him and his children.
But when you look at his face, it is an open face, at hard times with very sad eyes.
I see a person with the best intentions at heart as the most dominant feature.
He may be sarcastic, bad, as well, but not in his character, only as a means to protect himself or even for revenge for things done to him, I don't know and don't judge. I haven't walked a mile in his shoes and wouldn't like to have been at his place in some periods of his life, where he had to suffer more than one can endure.
I, too, have the feeling there may have been "2 Bashir MJ's"; I tend to think the more rounded face to be the "fake", but am too confused to be sure of anything anymore. :?
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Watch the first video from 4:20:
[youtube:bw988rcd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpV6unicm_Q&feature=related[/youtube:bw988rcd]
watch this video:
[youtube:bw988rcd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ahDI8zd34&feature=related[/youtube:bw988rcd]
Michael told us the true he had just 2 surgeries. just watch him. You see the MJ from the Bad era.. only older! you recognize him just the way he was. I can not do that with the other ''MJ's'' from the documentry. The reason why MJ used his own lights was becuz he was the one sitting there, not another DOUBLE!...
MJ is not about the nose, the hair or his style. You should watch videos from 1980 till 1993. watch Moonwalker. you see the ONLY REAL MJ in these 2 videos. the rest of those men are DOUBLES!! just watch his laugh...You recognize the old MJ! only a little bit older. the way he speaks.
Michael Jackson:
(http://www.radiokeysdan.com/images/michael-jackson-is-.jpg)
(http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/9500000/Bad-MJ-3-the-bad-era-9558443-499-363.jpg)
(http://allforloveblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/living-with-michael-jackson.jpg)
That's what I've always thought! Even during the trial, it looked just like Bad era MJ, just older.