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And let me make it clear that I don’t mind sincere criticism, because truth can stand up to questions and objections—the truth will prevail! The problem is when people make empty accusations, with no evidence, such as “TS is nonsense”; statements like this with no evidence are useless, and I won’t even try to respond to them.
Please, people, I would like us to stick in the conversation because there are some very interesting points made around here. I think that they could upgrade our means of investigation. Let's not transform this conversation to a vendetta between TS supporters and TS non-supporters.L.O.V.E.
Passing the test does not mean gullibly believing anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it; you have always been asked to verify the evidence for yourself, and debunk it if you can, etc. However, those who refuse anything and everything that TS says, merely because TS is the one who says it—regardless of any and all evidence that has never yet been debunked—they are not at the A+ level on the report card! :lol:
There are two other major areas of TS criticism. The first complaint is that TMZ and TS are just playing around; and the second complaint is that TS return/bam predictions have not come true
However, although the critics will no doubt be eager to use this reasoning as soon as summer is over, there is one minor problem with this reasoning—and that problem is the following list of the others who would also have to be fake, using the same basic reasoning: Jermaine, 5 Brothers, TMZ, Paris, Ortega, Janet, and even MJ himself!
However, if we wait till the public knows: nobody will pay attention to us then, because everybody will know by then from the mainstream media. If we rattle cages now: then when it comes out in public, they will be back to find out how we knew BEFORE it came out publicly! Then they will be much more ready to listen to the rest of the message!
Although, I have to say that even if the hoax believers are not that many, the hoax rumour runs strong. The last two months I, alone, have noticed three references that MJ is alive through the media and I live thousands of miles away from the U.S. And this rumour spreads by hoax believers. All of my friends mock me about telling them that MJ may be alive, yet they know and they spread the rumour as well. So, I cannot be sure how much indifferent this situation would be to Sony in a commercial aspect. Yet, this is just a thought, without blaming them for spreading the hoax for commercial reasons. It is just a possiblity.
Actually, there are many other wrong theories out there; but I won’t go into them now. I have already gone into great lengths on the most important aspects: the main reasons for the hoax, and the strongest evidences that this is a hoax (not accident, murder, or suicide).
There are still many hoax believers on MJDHI and other forums, who don’t read the updates and/or don’t think that NWO & EOW is MJ’s message. If we keep waiting for them to inform themselves, they probably never will. But those who do read these updates can help, if you want to: will you be there? If so, read on.You can help both before and after bamsday. This applies to all forums out there, not just MJDHI. It probably won’t help to just ask others to read the updates; many will not, because they are long and/or other reasons. But you can be familiar with the updates; and then you can be ready with the right questions and/or answers, whenever something related is discussed in any thread.
You can also kindly remind them that the issue is what MJ believes, and his message; others are free to have their own beliefs, but the hoax forums are about MJ and his reasons for the hoax. And please do not get into unkind arguments with anyone; remember, it’s all for L.O.V.E. Preparing for bamsday means understanding the message, helping others to understand it, and most of all: living the L.O.V.E. yourself!
The fact that TS keeps his identity secret is a bit strange…In one of his/her posts he/she said that even if he/she revealed his/her identity, we wouldn’t believe him/her and that there was no point doing that. Well, we have passed through much more difficult matters than the identity of a person and we have learned when to beLIEve and when not to. As to whether knowing the identity of your major informer is necessary or not, the answer is absolutely yes. The information given on a subject is a most important part of understanding the facts, but the identity of the source of this information is equally important. This is because considering something as a clue just because someone claims it to be a clue, can control and direct your search and conclusion even if you have an excellent ability of judging. Some people say that TS’s identity should remain secret because if he/she is someone near the MJ camp everyone will believe him/her and follow him/her without judging and acting on their own will, while if he/she has no close connection to the MJ camp everyone will reject him/her and stop believing him/her. Well, this does not stand as an excuse at all. We do not need communicational tricks to form our opinions and the power of someone’s words should stand only for what his/her words are and not for how he/she promotes them. For example, when you say “prejudice is ignorance”, that idea can stand on its own despite who said it or how he/she promoted him/herself. After all, we can judge, criticize and think for ourselves in order to choose who we listen to and who we not, and this is the only way to support MJ and those who strive for humanity’s sake.Let me point out something straight ahead… If TS’s revealed his/her identity Michael would definitely not be in danger. MJ’s supposed enemies are very powerful and have all the means necessary to achieve their goals. If MJ is a threat to them they would do everything possible to stop him. I don’t think that anyone argues whether those building the New World Order are capable of espionage or not. Actually they are capable of far more terrible things. So, if we have noticed that Michael is alive and plans to fight them, they have definitely noticed it too. And if TS is holding key information about MJ, considering that his/her acts via the internet are enough for them to detect him/her, he/she would have been caught by them by now. Moreover, MJ would never jeopardize his mission giving valuable information about it to someone that could be detected by his enemies and putting him/her in danger. So, the conclusion of this is that TS cannot have key information that put Michael’s life in danger.As far as TS’s secrecy about his/her identity is concerned, I tend to believe that his/her connection to Sony is far closer than he/she has been willing to admit until now. Although, this is not necessarily bad, it is a bit suspicious. My search in the internet has provided some interesting information.The fact that TS had always much information about MJ and his CD’s and the “This IS It” DVD before this information was available to anyone else can show a relation to Sony without much explanation and search.TS also had always much information about TMZ. He/ She seemed to predict when they would publish specific subjects, have information from the inside and have knowledge of specific data and events before they would become known and happen, such as MJ police files and Murray’s trials. This can also suggest a connection to Sony, because Sony collaborates with TMZ, as the creator of a browser for mobile phones to establish connection to the TMZ channel and provide mobile phone users with access to TMZ news. That means that someone inside Sony can have TMZ information before it is published. Here is a link about that:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMoreover, TS successfully predicted a relation to the 2012 film with the MJ hoax, before the film was available in the cinemas and generally in the public. As we know the major character’s name was Jackson. This suggests a relation between TS and Sony as well. The film was distributed by Columbia Pictures, which is owned by Sony. The related web pages are in the following link:1) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)2) You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginFinally, about the time that TS started his/her redirects(October 2009), Sony had shortly before announced that they would start the project "This Is Also It" due to the success of "This Is It", which would be about other dead starts and similar to "This IS It". They claimed this investment to be most profitable. One of the first sites to announce that was "The Huffington Post", which is a site used by TS for his/her clues. The mentioned article about the announcement is on the following link:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThis set of coincidences closely related to TS, statistically strongly suggests that TS is very close to the Sony camp. Note that my search was very rapid, which means that many more things can be found about TS’s relation to Sony, with a better and more thorough search.All in all, TS's identity is not important to what we think or believe about Michael, or it is not more important than anyone else's identity. However, the fact that Sony profits from MJ and that they have abused him in the past raises concerns. The fact that those who have said that MJ is alive, such as Akon, Riley and Eros Ramazzotti are related to Sony and the first two profit from the new album’s sales, raises concerns as well. And I strongly believe that it is our right to know the source of our information, since we fight equally to TS and everyone else here, for more than a year now.I neither blame nor accuse, I only suggest caution, awareness and thinking for ourselves.
That was good info to know. The seed has been planted and is now growing. I do hope you didn't take offense to how I read the name you chose. I know what the name is from and even the name when referring to the planet I still giggle. It is a silly thing.I have no problem with you wanting to have a genuine conversation of things you are unsure of. All of us at one point have been unsure of things. We all at one point needed a guide, someone with patience to teach us. We didn't come to the forum in full knowledge like those who were here before us. That is what I am having a problem with. What makes someone a troll? What makes someone a hater? When can you intelligently see the difference between a troll and someone who genuinely needs some help understanding the "hoax"? You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThat is just one example of how easily people go for the trolls. Then when someone like Uranus comes here to begin this journey of investigating he is automatically told to get lost. He is told he is a hater. He is told he can't be welcomed. Intelligently discern the difference betwen a troll and a geniune new believer. Time in observing a person and their words will always tell you what their true motivation is and what they are here for.
I don't like that this is the example that I use, but it is the fresher example in my memory. TIAI 11/24, PureLove's post.Firstly, I want to state that I respect PureLove's opinion, although I disagree with it.Now... During the period TS made this redirect there was a question raised in this forum. When people learned about his/her redirect started making suggestions about what he/she wanted to mean. This post was long. Could anyone understand what he/she meant with it? No, most people proposed something different. But, this is not the main point. All attention was concentrated in this post. In the question "why not in any other post?" most people answer "because it was the most relevant". But this is not the right answer. The right answer is that this was the most suitable redirect for TS, whether it was made by good purpose or bad purpose. So, by saying that the redirects suitable to TS's purposes are the relevant ones is a great problem, since TS's purpose is unknown.
Its her: I cannot begin to tell you how much I love your above post! Thank you.I am fairly new to all this, compared to many of you. I have from the start of Michael's disappearance thought that things might be "off"- but until looking into things deeper after reading Pearl Jr's book this winter, I had no clue how organized all this seems to be. Reading the threads here and the different opinions and theories of posters is valuable, but TS's posts were the organizing guide, for lack of a better word. Through my profession and my training, I have always been taught to take information and then to assess if I find it valuable, truthful, biased etc- so, just because we have This Source (T.S) of information does not mean we cannot decide for ourselves what we make of the information. As a matter of fact, he/she points that out numerous times. One of the points is to evaluate messages independent of the identity of the person delivering it- something we are not used to. If you think about it, we always consider the source which is not a bad practice in itself, but it can lead to biased information. Let's say you trust ABC news, but not Fox news: would you not then believe anything coming from one, but discard the other? Now, what if Fox actually reported something true- you might miss it. Or, if ABC picked up something fake- then you would be duped, if you only go by the source and NOT the message itself.For me, I am not a numbers person. But after reading TS posts re proof for the hoax and against murder I learned some invaluable information that I had not considered before (the social scientist part of me has over the years totally overruled the mathematical part… )- and it makes sense. Now, do I think that what I read is absolute truth? No, but it sure makes sense. So, my attitude is skeptical optimism. It seems that TS has not led us astray or tried to influence us in in any undue way. Like Its her said, we ourselves make the choice to believe or not believe – therefore if we are duped, it is based on a personal choice each of us made. No one MADE US do it. It’s called personal freedom of choice (and lets be happy we have it!)- let’s all be adults and accept this responsibility.
I was just thinking what TS can stand for...TS can stand for a lot of things these are just a few;The Sign (to do with Prince's sign)The Secret or Top Secret (Secret of the hoax)The Script or The Set (MJ's movie)Third Street (CM is always seen at Third Street Promenade in Santa Monica...it seems that's where all the filming or stage is set)Tupac Shakur (doubt it is though...he probably can't even write a post without swearing :lol: )
