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I read this yesterday and I thought that was interesting. What a wise man he is:The Dalai Lama. Sept. 10, 2012:Quote"All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether."
"All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether."
Leilani81, good post! There’s something about religion that just reduces everything to whether you are on the saved side or damned, and trying to convince/coerce the ‘damned’ to be on your perception of the saved side. But meanwhile in the whole of creation, there is the exquisite beauty of each atom, molecule, life, sunset, human essence, energy that constantly needs to be explored and revelled in—and that could be missed while pursuing proselytizing.Angel, about MJ’s wise words, it's his heart and mind that has touched me deep inside like I've never experienced before, and so I must stay the course. Mary, my son was reminding me the other day that Confusius had a profound moral impact on the far east with teachings such as:“Do unto others what you want done unto you.” which is the same as Jesus' words, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Yet Confucius lived around 551 BC - 479 BC.
I think Donte means, "let's not let religion divide us". Listen to what some of these prophets were "saying". Spirituality and religion are different. Religions are man made. Think about the difference between the laws of men and the laws of God/nature.
I'm not religious, I follow no religion. I follow God, I follow Good, peace, love and life. God is around us, He is in each of us, the birth of a new child, animal and plant. I hope no one takes offense to that but I think far too many wars, disagreements and arguements come about in people disagreeing on the scriptures. I do not disagree with any religion I just do not follow any I just follow what god wants of us, to be kind, loving, forgiving and live humble,and denie evil in any form I think that is the underline in all religions...I live my life in a way that will do him proud as a father to his child would, I live with free will to believe in him and live by all that he wishes of us because it is was his dreams/his hopes/his intentions for us when he created us, I do not fear judgement day and being casted into hell because hell can not exist if you live how he intended and give love and kindness..ultimately good into the world, I follow because my heart was created by god and in this heart he imagined great good and kindness, love and forgiveness.. I can see what Donte is saying and his belief system.
As I see it it's always the human factor which is responsible for the bad things. The problem imo isn't religion itself but men and women's choices. It's like a political party or an association, people gather together because they share similar beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that but it can deteriorate and get out of control when freedoms are suppressed for example. I think that's why TS insisted on the "do you think for yourself" theme. It's extremely important. When it comes to debate and who is right or wrong: Just how many different movements do exist in every religion? Many. Healthy debate is good of course but the existence of all these different movements just shows how much people can disagree on something that is based on the same scripture. And well I believe the truth always stands out in the end that's where people can find peace in. Love, Peace and Freedom is what we need.I thought it would be nice to re-post part of Front's poem (maybe he'll grant us a new one) :icon_lol: oh and I loved the expression "snippet us" from Wishingstar, it's so cute. :icon_e_biggrin:"A collective heartOne love, one raceNo matter the color of your faceBeliefs may differ along the wayThrough this journey from night into daySoldiers of L.O.V.E., hand in handAs we trek through the desolate landLight will emanate from below and aboveWarming our souls with a religion of Love"
@son...You've stated that you have a traditional Christian background and that helps to understand where you're coming from, somewhat...since that in itself can mean a whole bunch of different things (it's all interpretative and relative). I, too, grew up in a traditional Christian atmosphere...but in my later years, disassociated myself with the 'religion' aspect of it because I couldn't swallow the hypocrisy I saw all around me. You say that people choose what they want to believe if it 'sounds right', and I agree....I also believe that many traditional Christians lead the way in that department.You are putting Donte down for what YOU interpret him as saying/believing. Have you ever spoken to Donte one on one? Have you even spent time trying to understand his perspective? Do you know how much or how little influence Mike had/has on Donte and his beliefs? In 'judging' Donte...and by all accounts you are when you say he is being disrespectful to his uncle....are you forgetting the "do not judge, lest ye be judged" (Matt 7:1) part of your traditional Christian doctrine or are you simply choosing what to believe and follow when it suits you? If you are 'ok' in judging Donte over YOUR interpretation of what he means (which, IMO, a narrow viewpoint cannot understand correctly)...then you should also be 'ok' with being judged yourself....by Jesus' own statement. In that regard, perhaps you are being disrespectful to Mike for passing judgement on his nephew whom you've never met and never walked a mile in his shoes....by Mike's own statement.This is the main reason why I disassociated myself from religion...I found, and still find, that people use it as a tool/means to judge people by....which, IMO, is completely hypocritical of those who claim to follow Jesus and/or the Bible. That quote that Mary posted by the Dalai Lama speaks volumes....it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that man-made 'religions' have FAILED in achieving/fulfilling their purpose, which should have been peace, co-existence, respect, and love for all things. "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High"~Psalm 82:6How does that fit into traditional Christian teachings? Or does it just not 'sound right'?With L.O.V.E. always.
ENOUGH.<---------See the mod label? Son, I don't know what you're trying to get at with that last paragraph but I don't like it. I think you should quit right now while you're ahead.
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