Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Persons Of Interest => The Jackson Family & Kids => Jermaine Jackson => Topic started by: sprint911 on October 07, 2010, 05:46:43 PM
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[youtube:1u7hqfui]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA[/youtube:1u7hqfui]
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In this video several doubles see that to be able to be Michael :lol:
Certainly one is OK Jermaine for his age.
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
LOL You read my mind. Here were my thoughts. " Look at that impersonator... his body language is very odd. He's kind of Michaelish and very nervous and jittery. Hey, I wonder if MJ would ever disguise himself as an impersonator... you know put his makeup on slightly different than he usually does... so people just assume he's another impersonator. You know, it's rumored Charlie Chaplin entered himself into a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest and lost so stranger things have happened. Should I say something.... nah! " :lol:
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I saw an interview with Dolly Parton one time where she said that she had entered a look-a-like contest on Halloween one year and just added more makeup than usual. Needless to say, she didn't make it very far in the contest. Didn't Elvis also enter a look-a-like contest one time? I thought I read that he came in 3rd place. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Michael walk around as an impersonator.
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@michaelsupporter - I totally agree with you about the guy in the red shirt. Something is very suspicious about him. It wouldn't surprise me if that is Michael.
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
LOL You read my mind. Here were my thoughts. " Look at that impersonator... his body language is very odd. He's kind of Michaelish and very nervous and jittery. Hey, I wonder if MJ would ever disguise himself as an impersonator... you know put his makeup on slightly different than he usually does... so people just assume he's another impersonator. You know, it's rumored Charlie Chaplin entered himself into a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest and lost so stranger things have happened. Should I say something.... nah! " :lol:
Can you just imagine if that "impersonator" is actually Michael? That would be so awesome! I watched the video before reading any of the comments and found that my eyes were drawn to him right away. There he could be, hiding in plain view. Throw in a couple more impersonators so as to not make it suspicious. It looks like his jaw is wider - but anyone who has seen the Ghosts video knows that a synthetic jaw could've easily been added on and blended in so it's not noticeable. And it could also explain why Michael's kids were there...
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
LOL You read my mind. Here were my thoughts. " Look at that impersonator... his body language is very odd. He's kind of Michaelish and very nervous and jittery. Hey, I wonder if MJ would ever disguise himself as an impersonator... you know put his makeup on slightly different than he usually does... so people just assume he's another impersonator. You know, it's rumored Charlie Chaplin entered himself into a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest and lost so stranger things have happened. Should I say something.... nah! " :lol:
Can you just imagine if that "impersonator" is actually Michael? That would be so awesome! I watched the video before reading any of the comments and found that my eyes were drawn to him right away. There he could be, hiding in plain view. Throw in a couple more impersonators so as to not make it suspicious. It looks like his jaw is wider - but anyone who has seen the Ghosts video knows that a synthetic jaw could've easily been added on and blended in so it's not noticeable. And it could also explain why Michael's kids were there...
Andrea,
I agree with you! What a nice venue to be in for his children to show up---very convenient! Plus, yes, I think Michael could very well be wearing a prosthetic chin. In fact, if you watch carefully there is a point where he makes a face that causes the chin area to wrinkle. Besides the anxiety, perhaps part of the fidgeting had to do with the prosthetic bothering him? It's just a thought, of course. But there is something about this man that intrigues me very much.
In addition, upon closer examination I see the following:
***At 53 seconds-the Michael (with the red shirt) moves to his left (our right) as the initial group pics begin.
***At 57 seconds-the body guard positioned to Michael's right (our left side of the screen) walks behind Michael (most likely communicating to him +/or the body guard to Michael's left or our right).
***At 1:04-the body guard positioned to Michael's left (our right side of the screen) casually places himself in front of Michael to obscure him-preventing any pics from capturing his image in the shot.
Again, this seems so subtle, yet effective. It is still quite peculiar to me. What do you think?
At any rate, I love you Michael. Obviously, nobody suspects you! hee hee!
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I totally agree that guy in the red shirt with the black coat over it looks and acts like Michael most of all, even the constant lip biting. He seemed to be biting it a little too much, like he was nervous. But what if he wasn't Michael. What if Michael was one of the lesser look a like impersonators, one of the really bad ones. The one guy intrigued me that kept standing in front of Jermaine chatting with him, dressed like Smooth Criminal.
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DUDE! :!: :?:
He looks like Mike! For realz! lol
Question: who's responsible for adding the audio track to this video?
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DUDE! :!: :?:
He looks like Mike! For realz! lol
Question: who's responsible for adding the audio track to this video?
Bec,
Perhaps this link will help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA)
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Also.
(Let's say MJ is dead for a second and this families antics are all real)
WHO takes young kids who's DAD DIED to a venue where there are people IMPERSONATING their DEAD DAD?
WHO DOES THAT!!??
Answer: no one. not even crazy sadistic people.
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DUDE! :!: :?:
He looks like Mike! For realz! lol
Question: who's responsible for adding the audio track to this video?
Bec,
Perhaps this link will help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA)
Thanks michaelsupporter, but it doesn't really. Who is Susan Benante?
edit: answered my own question. She's a gifted kids teacher from the DC area who runs marathons. Obscure.
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Very interesting - thank you for sharing.
I don't personally think the impersonator at the end is the same one that was standing back by the body guards. The one at the end with all of the makeup looked over the top and most of his impersonators are so much better at applying the makeup - just my opinion.
The guy standing back by the bodyguards is another matter. His mannerisms seem very nervous like he's not sure what to do and almost like he's anxious about something. Can you imagine if that was Michael? For the first time in probably their whole lives and Jermaine is the one getting the attention and not Michael? Interesting thought...
Bec - I also agree about the music and the impersonators around the children. Very odd if it's for real. The music where they sing "I want you back" and "let me live again" really stood out to me....
Blessings.
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DUDE! :!: :?:
He looks like Mike! For realz! lol
Question: who's responsible for adding the audio track to this video?
Bec,
Perhaps this link will help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA)
Thanks michaelsupporter, but it doesn't really. Who is Susan Benante?
I have no idea who this Susan is----do you suspect it is one of the women in the video????
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Hmm
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Also.
(Let's say MJ is dead for a second and this families antics are all real)
WHO takes young kids who's DAD DIED to a venue where there are people IMPERSONATING their DEAD DAD?
WHO DOES THAT!!??
Answer: no one. not even crazy sadistic people.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That would just be.... so WRONG!!
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yeah, the kids were there...Actually dejavu, here it looks like a lady :lol: but on other parts it doesn't. To me it's as weird as Davedave stuff...mannerism, facial expressions look pretty close
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Here's another view of the impersonators starting at 0:30. What do you think now?
[youtube:30zmv6xw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5DUQBjzyE[/youtube:30zmv6xw]
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Sorry but the guy in red is Lane Lassiter ... check his website and you will find some photos of this event ...
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
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Here's another view of the impersonators starting at 0:30. What do you think now?
[youtube:3stqjkqy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5DUQBjzyE[/youtube:3stqjkqy]
i think he strangely behaves :lol:
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In addition Lane Lassiter wrotre on his myspace page : " Paris almost made me cry last nite she just stared into my eyes after Prince told here to look , it was kind of sad but sweet also "
More info : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei (http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei)
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Sorry but the guy in red is Lane Lassiter ... check his website and you will find some photos of this event ...
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
Mac5K;
Thanks for posting these close up photos. It is evident that this impersonator looks nothing like Michael (my opinion).
However, having said that, I still find it odd that the man dressed similarly in the video above (red shirt) exhibits such strange behavior. Even the behavior of the body guards coincide by shielding him from the pics, at those opportune times.
I wonder if that didn't happen because Michael was dressed to look like Lassiter? Can one deny the possibility that could have been planned?
Of course, it is only a thought, but in this world isn't anything possible????
Mac or anyone else:
Is Lane a fidgety person? Could he have pulled off this act...or could the Master of Illusion, himself, be the one to be pulling off the act????
All I can say is: I am curious :shock:
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(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
I guess you could say.. we caught him black-handed 8-)
(ok not funny I'm sorry)
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I don't know about this guy, but i still think the guy on the video has a strange behaviour. Then we can ask ourselves, is this guy a pretty good impersonator copying even MJ's move and expressions...anyway, i think he doesn't LOOK like Michael, but he really acts and "body express" like him on this video.
We could deffo wonder if it"s the same guy from one to the other, but if it's him, it's pretty scary, and he's pretty good at it :?
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(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
I guess you could say.. we caught him black-handed 8-)
(ok not funny I'm sorry)
Well, this picture is not Michael, definitely (the dark hands, the nails very clear, very loaded nose, thick neck ,...). We were deceived by an optical illusion in the video. :lol:
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In addition Lane Lassiter wrotre on his myspace page : " Paris almost made me cry last nite she just stared into my eyes after Prince told here to look , it was kind of sad but sweet also "
More info : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei (http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei)
Poor kids..that's just so cruel :( Why would Jermaine want to make the kids have to go through this??
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I'm still not convinced that the guy standing behind Jermaine acting nervous is the same guy that's hugging him with the one dark hand. They look different to me.
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seems to me the impersonater posing with jermaine at the end of this thing is actually wearing a plastic mask.
btw does anyone else get the creeps over the stalker acting bleach blonde? :(
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whoever it is that was standing behind jermaine looked really sad.sad eyes just like Michael had sometimes.His whole body language was just wrong for some reason.
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this is weird,i watched the video on my friends f/book wall...and immediately thought just the same thing........he looks like the real micheal................then i came on here and see this...!!! and what if the photo was taken very cleverly of the other guy...so as to fool peole...we see the video...but the still phtotos could easily have been the other guy.........just a thought there guys.xxxxx
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i put the vid on full screen....then clicked frame by frame...............i noticed the bodygaurd raise one eyebrow to another body gaurd.............details details......lol....we could use some enlargement stills here guys.......very interesting.....xxx
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Body language doesn't lie. Of course it was Michael they just had to back it all up with this impersonator. Love you more Michael, no worries.
I'm being so self-confident on purpose... :D
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I'm still not convinced that the guy standing behind Jermaine acting nervous is the same guy that's hugging him with the one dark hand. They look different to me.
I agree.
I'm watching it over and over trying to get a glimpse of the dudes hands.
This is so strange!!
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:roll: Seriously you guys, hes not michael
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Well, the situation sure is interesting. Let's keep watchin', lol.
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Ok, I just have to say...
The author of the book "Psudocide, Did MJ Fake his Death to Save His Life" VIPs at Katherine's event, now she's posing for pics with Jermaine at his event... and there are people who still doubt the hoax death?
What more does anyone need?
I mean really? Where in reality would this occur? :lol:
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Ok, I just have to say...
The author of the book "Psudocide, Did MJ Fake his Death to Save His Life" VIPs at Katherine's event, now she's posing for pics with Jermaine at his event... and there are people who still doubt the hoax death?
What more does anyone need?
I mean really? Where in reality would this occur? :lol:
Haha, great point.
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My own personal take on this video is this;
Like all of you who have already commented,a few things first stand out
1.he isn't with the others INFRONT of Jermaine...he is behind
2.The guy is clearly super nervous...why..he gets on stage and pretends to be the greatest showman on earth..not an easy thing to do,so standing in a room at a party should be a piece of cake.
3.He has gloves on.We all know about MJ's hands and fingers and how they give him away-discolouration of his nails etc-one shot of them..and it would be over.HOWEVER wearing gloves isn't strange if you are an impersonator because the man you are pretending to be..is known for them!!What an awesome cover up..
4.The guards seem to be flanking both of them and this 'MJ' is biting on his lip,checking around,fixing his hair,not looking at anyone,not getting in the picture....its a party man.....JOIN IN!oh wait you can't...you're meant to be in FL.oops!
5.Jermaine pays him no attention,doesn't even look round to see if he is still stood there.
6.Brando lookalike keeps clocking him every few seconds....Gotta look after your paycheck!!
7.at 1.05ish when the camera is turned to face the group getting thier pic taken...this guy moves completley out of shot...after Brando moves infront of him...sneaky sneaky
"No pics from the front please...only from my right..thank you ..."
The guy in that picture is in no way the same one from that video.He has the confidence to 1.think he can call himself an MJ lookalike..shocking make up dude..really..
2.get his picture with Jermaine
3.Taking his glove off for a photo but leaving them on at the party?why..oh because showing us a black hand there means we didnt see in the video what we think we saw when comparing both..we're wrong..this guy is black.
YEAH OK.
*not sure if it is Brando but bloody looks a lot like him so for now..he is called..Brando lol*
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this person makes me think of a woman. i don't see miko (brando). the bodygaurds almost seem like they are set for something to happen relating to jermaine. i realize it is their job to guard him but the guys around michael even when he had the kids never hung that close unless there we a lot of people around. and why might jermaine be reaching into and adjusting something in his pocket? i will be waiting all bundled up in my nice comfy jacket :(
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One of the close protection-in the black jacket and white shirt looks like Miko Brando a bit...so i'm calling him that for now.Easier than typing out his clothing for identification...lol.
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Oh may, the impersonator from the video looks so much like Michael, not only physic even the fact he has make'up, but the body language, my god, the way he moves and bites his lip.....I really don't believe is the same person from the photo
Ah but if he is our Michael, I don't like what I see in the video. I mean even he pretends to be an impersonator, I don't like the situation, even I understand what this implies. He is behind Jermain's back, ignored by all those people, fans etc. and Jermaine benefits from all that attention, photos, hugs, kisses :( :( I hope you understand what i mean to say. :cry:
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To me there are 3 things that made me think of Michael
around 0:30 on the first video, you can see him look at the video with a "bored/sad" look, then make a big sigh, touch his hair and bit his lips.
It's exactly Michael when not comfortable. I agree the guy we see on pictures is completly not him, and i checked his pictures on his site, this dude really exist. But if he can so much copy Michael's body language...
This is pretty weird...
If i had a poitn to give to confirm it's NOT Michael : i saw all the pictures ofthis man and i was pretty scare of his attitude : make up, surgery, doing this for YEARS...i mean, this guy maybe completly gets himself into Michael and this would be pretty scary.
But this guy is about performing for YEARS, he shouldn't be nervous, and should just be playing his role. How could he behave like this...
Sinderella, i noticed that the guy with white suit tell him to move, and he doesn't and that he remains behind Jermaine, between the bodyguards. Bodyguard on the right of him keeps looking at him.
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One of the close protection-in the black jacket and white shirt looks like Miko Brando a bit...so i'm calling him that for now.Easier than typing out his clothing for identification...lol.
speaking of miko . long time no see ;)
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INDEED!!!^^^^ he is hanging out with DD me thinks haha
WYHS-there is no way though that two close protection guards would allow a random guy,even a MJ lookalike to remain INFRONT of them.He wouldn't be asked to move..and just left...
As you know I know some of MJ's close protection UK team and trust me...they were more than close when he was over in the UK.
Although this is Jermaine and not as big of a star as his lickle brother...he is still a jackson,and at an open space event...they would not let someone stand between them and their client.They are ex military and people you don't wanna piss off.They are trained to take bullets for these people that is their job.You don't get asked to move out the way...you ARE moved.
It isn't protocol and it wouldn't happen.
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Not to be a party pooper but that isn't Michael. It is the same look-a-like in both videos and the photograph.
His neck is too short to be Michael, his face is too wide and his nose, lips, eyebrows etc are not right.
Sorry guys. :(
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Not to be a party pooper but that isn't Michael. It is the same look-a-like in both videos and the photograph.
His neck is too short to be Michael, his face is too wide and his nose, lips, eyebrows etc are not right.
Sorry guys. :(
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The crazy thought of it all, is that it could be : MJ disguised as an impersonator, disguised as MJ :lol:
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Not to be a party pooper but that isn't Michael. It is the same look-a-like in both videos and the photograph.
His neck is too short to be Michael, his face is too wide and his nose, lips, eyebrows etc are not right.
Sorry guys. :(
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The crazy thought of it all, is that it could be : MJ disguised as an impersonator, disguised as MJ :lol:
Pretending to pretend to be himself... :lol:
I totally see what you're saying Serenity. I'm having a hard time confirming that the person in the video and the person in the picture with Jermaine is the same person. I know it's supposed to be the same person, but I still feel there's a chance that it's not. I don't think we get a clear enough shot of him to tell. They certainly appear to be the same, but IF Mike were going to disguise himself as a person disguised as...himself, lol, the point would be to confuse people and he would probably choose a particular impersonator and try and look the same as that person. And for them to both be at the event would be ideal, along with all the other impersonators.
I don't know. Very far out, I know. But if he can disguise himself as Dave Dave then I don't think this would be completely impossible. I can agree though that the person in the photo with Jermaine is not MJ.
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Whether it is or isn't....most likey the latter.....it is still bizzare behaviour from everyone in that video.
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Whether it is or isn't....most likey the latter.....it is still bizzare behaviour from everyone in that video.
Agreed.
Maybe he was really trying to channel MJ in his behavior as apart of his getup, but... that would seem really strange and disrespectful.
:?:
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:shock: i also thought wow !! this is him in disquise of himself :o he does look shy or lost here on the video ,and i do think the guy at the picture is somebody else ,and the brown hand is fake or fotoshopped :lol:
i know i should take my medicine and put on my straightjacket :lol:
and why isnt he standing together with the other impersonators ???
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
LOL You read my mind. Here were my thoughts. " Look at that impersonator... his body language is very odd. He's kind of Michaelish and very nervous and jittery. Hey, I wonder if MJ would ever disguise himself as an impersonator... you know put his makeup on slightly different than he usually does... so people just assume he's another impersonator. You know, it's rumored Charlie Chaplin entered himself into a Charlie Chaplin look alike contest and lost so stranger things have happened. Should I say something.... nah! " :lol:
You read my mind also. I immediately was drawn to the "red shirt"
guy and thought...that could be MICHAEL for real. The way he stands, moves,
acts. All like Michael. The mannerisms are spot on. He does appear nervous. The lip licking is a giveaway. Michael has done that before. Looking around left and right as well
seeming quite uneasy. I could not take my eyes off him. No other "look alike" has done that to me EVER.
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Not to be a party pooper but that isn't Michael. It is the same look-a-like in both videos and the photograph.
His neck is too short to be Michael, his face is too wide and his nose, lips, eyebrows etc are not right.
Sorry guys. :(
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I always believed that this man was the "peter" from the chat.
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Whether it is or isn't....most likey the latter.....it is still bizzare behaviour from everyone in that video.
Agreed.
Maybe he was really trying to channel MJ in his behavior as apart of his getup, but... that would seem really strange and disrespectful.
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He is a good look alike.
(http://i37.tinypic.com/2ntxyso.jpg)
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He is nervous or better stressed. One can understand it from first sight. I can only understand it if he is Michael and is afraid he may be recognised. He doesn't even answer only nods with his head, when the man in white tells him to leave and I think he tells him to go with the other impersonators instead of hiding because he is obviously HIDING so that he won't be noticed.
And I also don't think that the person in the photo is the same with the person in the video. They have different faces. The photo guy's face seems fake, like a mask while the other man's face looks more real, more human. Plus, when someone is impersonator in such event usually it is clear that he isn't the real person just like with the other impersonators in the video.
I would also like to add that the other imersonators are set in early 90s like most Michael Jackson impersonators. The guy with the red shirt looks like a more recent Michael.
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I think the close protection and security need closer attention paid to them regarding their behaviour.
I am going to get someone i know..in the know..to watch this and give me some feedback on the winking and everything.
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To tell the truth, i dont think it's our Michael, neither in the video, nor, obviously, on the photo, i dont think he would run such a risk and appear in a public place where there are a lot of fans who could easily recognize him( i'm almost sure there might have been believers being alert and looking for clues)
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We cannot go on whether a dudes neck is large or small or their nose is too big or little ect...., that would be so foolish. Come on, we all know about Michael's disguises and make up fascination and expertise. Michael can be anyone he wants to be. The only thing I think he could not fake is that he could not make himself shorter. But he could easily do tall.
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The only times Michael in disguise speaks is in total privacy with his inside people such as Murray thanks supporters, Casket guy (I'm convinced) and DD. Where he just shows up amongst non-inside people (much riskier), and hangs around for maybe a brief period without saying anything that we know of is Saw mask, green man, blond lady, and Mr. Magoo. This situation could work but it needs lots more close analysis to convince. I'm leaning towards it not being him, although the fact that his kids are at the event is definately a plus factor.
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we are definely giving to much attention to that impersonator...This time no Michael sighting :(
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I would like to know why no one else EVER has a camera or phone at any of these events.
There is always like one person shooting..at a bad angle...no sound....BAD quality
I mean...it's 2010...every other person has an iphone or a Blackberry..apparently they run outta battery when it comes to recording important events like JJ's after show bash :/
One person at that party had a tiny bit of cell juice left to capture some guy being strange,the close protection team winking and nodding to each other in sequence and btw..have y'all counted how many there are around that group....6+ when did Jermaine Jackson become so famous again he needed super security at an after show...i see no one getting mobbed there unless you wanna count that blonde woman who just wants to be on everyone.
what the fuck ever.
There is rarely 2 videos shot from the same event/time/sighting/etc to compare and analyse.Just like the 02 conference....lack of footage...just like the memorial...just like the funeral...and just like EVERY OTHER TIME.
It is getting so predictable.Big event...everyone's talking about it...strange goings on pre show...starts late like everything else post 25June 09,is MJ there..isn't MJ there..could have been...trash can..pepsi....ONE CAMERA FILMING!
Also,another random piece of info i discovered....
The guy who seems to have been the only person filming the entire JJ Vegas show on the 2nd FROM THE BACK OF THE VENUE!!!!! and who has uploaded the vids to youtube..is called 'KenRolling' he joined youtube on.......June 25th 2008 and the JJ vids are the only thing he has uploaded in those 2+years...
weird?
HELLS YAH
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Sorry but the guy in red is Lane Lassiter ... check his website and you will find some photos of this event ...
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
Oh My God, sorry but he is scary looking. You can see the white foundation on his face and neck, than you see his black hands. Nah. I am sorry but all these impersonators well never reach to Michaels looks and singing etc...
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I think that if MJ appeared in disguise at functions, he would more than likely re-appear as "Black", not white.
Does that make any sense??
Maybe his disguises are not obvious. He could be one of the coloured bodyguards that go with the children everywhere.....just a thought.
No one would be suspicious of a black man with the children.
Does anyone know who this person is ?
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where does this picture comes from ?
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where does this picture comes from ?
He is always with the children when they are travelling...eg Hawaii. He is seen with them at the airport recently holding Blanket close to him, and holding his carry on luggage for him.. Notice the date?? 7/7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOKKgBy ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOKKgByaBA&feature=related)
[youtube:lw3ugnpp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sOKKgByaBA&feature=related[/youtube:lw3ugnpp]
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Count me in! To me, video Michael impersonator IS Michael. Let me qualify that -- IS TOTALLY Michael! Photograph Michael impersonator with Jermaine -- NOT Michael.
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...strange goings on pre show...starts late like everything else post 25June 09,is MJ there..isn't MJ there..could have been...trash can..pepsi....ONE CAMERA FILMING!
Wait, what'd I miss? Talk to me Sinder, what's this /strange/late/trash/pepsi chain of events you speak of?
Also,another random piece of info i discovered....
The guy who seems to have been the only person filming the entire JJ Vegas show on the 2nd FROM THE BACK OF THE VENUE!!!!! and who has uploaded the vids to youtube..is called 'KenRolling' he joined youtube on.......June 25th 2008 and the JJ vids are the only thing he has uploaded in those 2+years...
weird?
HELLS YAH
Yes very weird. What video is this? Show us!
SINDER: links when you reference, please!
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Ok, I just have to say...
The author of the book "Psudocide, Did MJ Fake his Death to Save His Life" VIPs at Katherine's event, now she's posing for pics with Jermaine at his event... and there are people who still doubt the hoax death?
What more does anyone need?
I mean really? Where in reality would this occur? :lol:
:shock: Oh, it makes no sense, because she believes that Michael is dead! She just used a "device" ... I'm tired of this woman and this family, especially Jermaine. In a very "subtle", they have partnered to "reactivate" Jermaine in his "career" at the expense of Michael again. Please do not use your intelligence? Things are very clear to us and we will not see them? What is wrong here, always with the same people? Please, I'm not a fool to be manipulated! Something is not right here! :shock: :roll: :?:
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2good2btrue:
I've been watching that guy too lol!!! Wasn't he also in that golf cart as they rode around "Hawaii" or where-ever that was suppose to be. He even looked like he had buck teeth at one point in that golf cart. I was thinking Michael!!!
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o.k. ...stop the vid at 0.17 seconds..................there is a mobile phone light or camera light...that he is holding................you see it also around 10 sec and 12 sec...xxx
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Stop the video at 2:38 ... who is the guy on the left side near the women :?: :?: :?:
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...strange goings on pre show...starts late like everything else post 25June 09,is MJ there..isn't MJ there..could have been...trash can..pepsi....ONE CAMERA FILMING!
Wait, what'd I miss? Talk to me Sinder, what's this /strange/late/trash/pepsi chain of events you speak of?
Also,another random piece of info i discovered....
The guy who seems to have been the only person filming the entire JJ Vegas show on the 2nd FROM THE BACK OF THE VENUE!!!!! and who has uploaded the vids to youtube..is called 'KenRolling' he joined youtube on.......June 25th 2008 and the JJ vids are the only thing he has uploaded in those 2+years...
weird?
HELLS YAH
Yes very weird. What video is this? Show us!
SINDER: links when you reference, please!
OK calm down.
First question Answered:
In the thread about Jermaines ACTUAL performance show on October 2nd 2010 by Dejavu
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14586&hilit=jermaine+vegas&start=25
a member of this forum-pepper I think commented how she had attended that night and it had started over an hour late,people were waiting around and there was no apology from anyone for making the crowd wait.I've never been to a live show in my entire life and it start over an hour late.I work in music and ent as some of you know,live music is a huge part of my life,there is ALWAYS an opening act incase anything happens-delays-transport problems-traffic-technical.
My point was-and I was being sarcastic-that everything since Michael's 'death' that involves the Jacksons starts LATE. The memorial started late,the funeral started late at FL,the court prelim for Murray started late and this tribute to him...started late.
I don't know if it has any significance it was just an observation.
The trash can,is pictured directly in front view here;
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/10/04/1004-jackson-kids-splash-2-credit.jpg)
and I was reffering to the whole trash can theory in general...there is another one to add to it.There is a comment by 'Andrea'in Dejavu's thread about this,I think she pointed it out to start with.
The strange events was in reference to the FRONT row seats not being filled...at a show...a tribute show non the less to Michael Jackson?The promoter had to get up and ask people to move forward as it was being filmed for pay per view-like most things in Vegas.I have never been to a show/or ran a show myself in the past where I have had to actually ask the audience to move forward so it looked fuller :/
In regards to Pepsi,I did actually mean Coke.That was my typing mistake and I was generalising,it was just a summary/list of things that seem to pop up with every incident,event,new piece of information/footage.I did not mean there were coke signs everywhere at Jermaines event.The Jermaine tribute show was one of the only times coke hasn't featured anywhere.
There is a reason for that and it is that pepsi own exclusive rights at Planet Hollywood.
http://www.wright.edu/~tdung/pepsi-coke.htm as stated there.
I type as I talk in real life,I am very sarcastic.That was a sarcastic comment.I know not everyone gets sarcasm,it is quite hard to convey over the internet too.
It is the same for most instances though,they can't just do something without it leading to a million other questions,which is what I mean about it being predictable.
As for your Second question,this is one of the youtube vids 'KenRolling' uploaded of the show.There are 5parts in total.If you click on his channel you can see his join date,etc.
I just think it is very strange one,because the 25th June is significant and two because in 2years it is the only think he has managed to upload-and it's a tribute to Michael Jackson.Those two things are connected forever.
[youtube:2yeh6ijk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEKfQiI2p84[/youtube:2yeh6ijk]
I just found it really weird that of all the dates in the whole year,he joined on the 25thJune.
Might be nothing in it,he might be a regular guy and it's coinsidence,but one thing I have learnt through this hoax and being a believer is that not everything can be a coinsidence....
I have asked Mr Rolling myself why on earth,if your going to be the only guy filming this entire show(so it would appear as no one else has uploaded 5videos of the show??)would you stand as far back as possible and it be blurry?As we know there were seats available at the front,we have a witness to them trying to fill them up,so why not go and get the opportunity to make a really good high quality video of the show you paid to go see??Most people try to get to the front.It looks full on that video and the room looks bigger than it actually is.It looks to me like he is standing in a private box or on a balcony.
I am waiting on a reply from him.
As I said it seems strange to me that more people haven't uploaded footage,not even an iphone/phone/camera recording and there are commented under that video from other people saying the same thing...that they can't believe there is not another recording of it.
So,i'm not the only one.
Does this answer your questions Bec?
They are just points I personally have picked up on.
Sinderella xo
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...strange goings on pre show...starts late like everything else post 25June 09,is MJ there..isn't MJ there..could have been...trash can..pepsi....ONE CAMERA FILMING!
Wait, what'd I miss? Talk to me Sinder, what's this /strange/late/trash/pepsi chain of events you speak of?
Also,another random piece of info i discovered....
The guy who seems to have been the only person filming the entire JJ Vegas show on the 2nd FROM THE BACK OF THE VENUE!!!!! and who has uploaded the vids to youtube..is called 'KenRolling' he joined youtube on.......June 25th 2008 and the JJ vids are the only thing he has uploaded in those 2+years...
weird?
HELLS YAH
Yes very weird. What video is this? Show us!
SINDER: links when you reference, please!
OK calm down.
First question Answered:
In the thread about Jermaines ACTUAL performance show on October 2nd 2010 by Dejavu
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14586&hilit=jermaine+vegas&start=25
a member of this forum-pepper I think commented how she had attended that night and it had started over an hour late,people were waiting around and there was no apology from anyone for making the crowd wait.I've never been to a live show in my entire life and it start over an hour late.I work in music and ent as some of you know,live music is a huge part of my life,there is ALWAYS an opening act incase anything happens-delays-transport problems-traffic-technical.
My point was-and I was being sarcastic-that everything since Michael's 'death' that involves the Jacksons starts LATE. The memorial started late,the funeral started late at FL,the court prelim for Murray started late and this tribute to him...started late.
I don't know if it has any significance it was just an observation.
The trash can,is pictured directly in front view here;
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/10/04/1004-jackson-kids-splash-2-credit.jpg)
and I was reffering to the whole trash can theory in general...there is another one to add to it.There is a comment by 'Andrea'in Dejavu's thread about this,I think she pointed it out to start with.
The strange events was in reference to the FRONT row seats not being filled...at a show...a tribute show non the less to Michael Jackson?The promoter had to get up and ask people to move forward as it was being filmed for pay per view-like most things in Vegas.I have never been to a show/or ran a show myself in the past where I have had to actually ask the audience to move forward so it looked fuller :/
In regards to Pepsi,I did actually mean Coke.That was my typing mistake and I was generalising,it was just a summary/list of things that seem to pop up with every incident,event,new piece of information/footage.I did not mean there were coke signs everywhere at Jermaines event.The Jermaine tribute show was one of the only times coke hasn't featured anywhere.
There is a reason for that and it is that pepsi own exclusive rights at Planet Hollywood.
http://www.wright.edu/~tdung/pepsi-coke.htm as stated there.
I type as I talk in real life,I am very sarcastic.That was a sarcastic comment.I know not everyone gets sarcasm,it is quite hard to convey over the internet too.
It is the same for most instances though,they can't just do something without it leading to a million other questions,which is what I mean about it being predictable.
As for your Second question,this is one of the youtube vids 'KenRolling' uploaded of the show.There are 5parts in total.If you click on his channel you can see his join date,etc.
I just think it is very strange one,because the 25th June is significant and two because in 2years it is the only think he has managed to upload-and it's a tribute to Michael Jackson.Those two things are connected forever.
[youtube:3nirszgf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEKfQiI2p84[/youtube:3nirszgf]
I just found it really weird that of all the dates in the whole year,he joined on the 25thJune.
Might be nothing in it,he might be a regular guy and it's coinsidence,but one thing I have learnt through this hoax and being a believer is that not everything can be a coinsidence....
I have asked Mr Rolling myself why on earth,if your going to be the only guy filming this entire show(so it would appear as no one else has uploaded 5videos of the show??)would you stand as far back as possible and it be blurry?As we know there were seats available at the front,we have a witness to them trying to fill them up,so why not go and get the opportunity to make a really good high quality video of the show you paid to go see??Most people try to get to the front.It looks full on that video and the room looks bigger than it actually is.It looks to me like he is standing in a private box or on a balcony.
I am waiting on a reply from him.
As I said it seems strange to me that more people haven't uploaded footage,not even an iphone/phone/camera recording and there are commented under that video from other people saying the same thing...that they can't believe there is not another recording of it.
So,i'm not the only one.
Does this answer your questions Bec?
They are just points I personally have picked up on.
Sinderella xo
Sinderella - thank you so much for your observations! I must have missed something because I didn't know you are in the music and entertainment industry. I'm sure if anyone can spot some oddities in all of this it would be someone in the industry, so thank you.
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2good2btrue:
I've been watching that guy too lol!!! Wasn't he also in that golf cart as they rode around "Hawaii" or where-ever that was suppose to be. He even looked like he had buck teeth at one point in that golf cart. I was thinking Michael!!!
[youtube:1c3983sy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3unqgL-hoY4&feature=related[/youtube:1c3983sy]
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Yes thank you Sinder. I'm calm. And sarcastic too. And thirdly, understand much more clearly now.
Starting late is a sign to me. The memorial set off big red flags of doubt with the delay on live TV that lasted (what seemed like) now until eternity.
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Yes thank you Sinder. I'm calm. And sarcastic too. And thirdly, understand much more clearly now.
Starting late is a sign to me. The memorial set off big red flags of doubt with the delay on live TV that lasted (what seemed like) now until eternity.
Awesome,glad we're cool =]
Tried to explain as much as possible.Quite hard in a comment though
Sarcasm is my best friend haha!
All those points are just a constant feature through out and this video/event is no different apart from the coca cola thing.
The whole memorial is a big red flag and so is FL.Them being late was the cherry on top.Who is late to a funeral?really....SO DISRESPECTFUL!
I am keeping to my point on the security and will try to get more info from my sourse for us ASAP.
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...strange goings on pre show...starts late like everything else post 25June 09,is MJ there..isn't MJ there..could have been...trash can..pepsi....ONE CAMERA FILMING!
Wait, what'd I miss? Talk to me Sinder, what's this /strange/late/trash/pepsi chain of events you speak of?
Also,another random piece of info i discovered....
The guy who seems to have been the only person filming the entire JJ Vegas show on the 2nd FROM THE BACK OF THE VENUE!!!!! and who has uploaded the vids to youtube..is called 'KenRolling' he joined youtube on.......June 25th 2008 and the JJ vids are the only thing he has uploaded in those 2+years...
weird?
HELLS YAH
Yes very weird. What video is this? Show us!
SINDER: links when you reference, please!
OK calm down.
First question Answered:
In the thread about Jermaines ACTUAL performance show on October 2nd 2010 by Dejavu
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=14586&hilit=jermaine+vegas&start=25
a member of this forum-pepper I think commented how she had attended that night and it had started over an hour late,people were waiting around and there was no apology from anyone for making the crowd wait.I've never been to a live show in my entire life and it start over an hour late.I work in music and ent as some of you know,live music is a huge part of my life,there is ALWAYS an opening act incase anything happens-delays-transport problems-traffic-technical.
My point was-and I was being sarcastic-that everything since Michael's 'death' that involves the Jacksons starts LATE. The memorial started late,the funeral started late at FL,the court prelim for Murray started late and this tribute to him...started late.
I don't know if it has any significance it was just an observation.
The trash can,is pictured directly in front view here;
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2010/10/04/1004-jackson-kids-splash-2-credit.jpg)
and I was reffering to the whole trash can theory in general...there is another one to add to it.There is a comment by 'Andrea'in Dejavu's thread about this,I think she pointed it out to start with.
The strange events was in reference to the FRONT row seats not being filled...at a show...a tribute show non the less to Michael Jackson?The promoter had to get up and ask people to move forward as it was being filmed for pay per view-like most things in Vegas.I have never been to a show/or ran a show myself in the past where I have had to actually ask the audience to move forward so it looked fuller :/
In regards to Pepsi,I did actually mean Coke.That was my typing mistake and I was generalising,it was just a summary/list of things that seem to pop up with every incident,event,new piece of information/footage.I did not mean there were coke signs everywhere at Jermaines event.The Jermaine tribute show was one of the only times coke hasn't featured anywhere.
There is a reason for that and it is that pepsi own exclusive rights at Planet Hollywood.
http://www.wright.edu/~tdung/pepsi-coke.htm as stated there.
I type as I talk in real life,I am very sarcastic.That was a sarcastic comment.I know not everyone gets sarcasm,it is quite hard to convey over the internet too.
It is the same for most instances though,they can't just do something without it leading to a million other questions,which is what I mean about it being predictable.
As for your Second question,this is one of the youtube vids 'KenRolling' uploaded of the show.There are 5parts in total.If you click on his channel you can see his join date,etc.
I just think it is very strange one,because the 25th June is significant and two because in 2years it is the only think he has managed to upload-and it's a tribute to Michael Jackson.Those two things are connected forever.
[youtube:213rnfh5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEKfQiI2p84[/youtube:213rnfh5]
I just found it really weird that of all the dates in the whole year,he joined on the 25thJune.
Might be nothing in it,he might be a regular guy and it's coinsidence,but one thing I have learnt through this hoax and being a believer is that not everything can be a coinsidence....
I have asked Mr Rolling myself why on earth,if your going to be the only guy filming this entire show(so it would appear as no one else has uploaded 5videos of the show??)would you stand as far back as possible and it be blurry?As we know there were seats available at the front,we have a witness to them trying to fill them up,so why not go and get the opportunity to make a really good high quality video of the show you paid to go see??Most people try to get to the front.It looks full on that video and the room looks bigger than it actually is.It looks to me like he is standing in a private box or on a balcony.
I am waiting on a reply from him.
As I said it seems strange to me that more people haven't uploaded footage,not even an iphone/phone/camera recording and there are commented under that video from other people saying the same thing...that they can't believe there is not another recording of it.
So,i'm not the only one.
Does this answer your questions Bec?
They are just points I personally have picked up on.
Sinderella xo
Sinderella - thank you so much for your observations! I must have missed something because I didn't know you are in the music and entertainment industry. I'm sure if anyone can spot some oddities in all of this it would be someone in the industry, so thank you.
You are very welcome,just sharing what I know from my own knowledge of the music ind and what I have picked up on from this Tribute/aftershow event footage.
I am and have been for a few years.I just graduated with a degree in music and entertainment management so any questions i can help with is no problem =]
I'll get back to the forum with anymore findings
Sin xo
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Yes thank you Sinder. I'm calm. And sarcastic too. And thirdly, understand much more clearly now.
Starting late is a sign to me. The memorial set off big red flags of doubt with the delay on live TV that lasted (what seemed like) now until eternity.
Awesome,glad we're cool =]
Tried to explain as much as possible.Quite hard in a comment though
Sarcasm is my best friend haha!
All those points are just a constant feature through out and this video/event is no different apart from the coca cola thing.
The whole memorial is a big red flag and so is FL.Them being late was the cherry on top.Who is late to a funeral?really....SO DISRESPECTFUL!
I am keeping to my point on the security and will try to get more info from my sourse for us ASAP.
We are so more then cool, know it or not (shhh) you are my fav new poster as of late.
And seems we have the same best friend so that makes us... ok nothing, nevermind. lol
No one is late a funeral. That's who's late. No one.
The whole YouTube account opened on 6/25/08 with nothing on it except JJ videos SMELLS ROTTEN FISHY.
I still say taking those kids to that even either means Jermaine is a psychotic sociopath or hoax. No grey area there.
And wouldn't it be the SHIT if that impersonator is MJ? Think Andy Kaufman there and I laugh and laugh and laugh.
I personally find it funny as spit that JJ is getting all the attention while MJ is being flat out IGNORED. No wonder he looks uncomfy, he's SUPER not used to that :lol:
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Yes thank you Sinder. I'm calm. And sarcastic too. And thirdly, understand much more clearly now.
Starting late is a sign to me. The memorial set off big red flags of doubt with the delay on live TV that lasted (what seemed like) now until eternity.
Awesome,glad we're cool =]
Tried to explain as much as possible.Quite hard in a comment though
Sarcasm is my best friend haha!
All those points are just a constant feature through out and this video/event is no different apart from the coca cola thing.
The whole memorial is a big red flag and so is FL.Them being late was the cherry on top.Who is late to a funeral?really....SO DISRESPECTFUL!
I am keeping to my point on the security and will try to get more info from my source for us ASAP.
We are so more then cool, know it or not (shhh) you are my fav new poster as of late.
And seems we have the same best friend so that makes us... ok nothing, nevermind. lol
No one is late a funeral. That's who's late. No one.
The whole YouTube account opened on 6/25/08 with nothing on it except JJ videos SMELLS ROTTEN FISHY.
I still say taking those kids to that even either means Jermaine is a psychotic sociopath or hoax. No grey area there.
And wouldn't it be the SHIT if that impersonator is MJ? Think Andy Kaufman there and I laugh and laugh and laugh.
I personally find it funny as spit that JJ is getting all the attention while MJ is being flat out IGNORED. No wonder he looks uncomfy, he's SUPER not used to that :lol:
Just realised I spelt *source wrong in my previous post woops.I am educated honestly..
I didn't know that and I definitley won't tell anyone else..I do however feel honoured/pressured to write amazing comments from here on :P
LOL I want a shirt saying when everything else fails...use sarcasm.I might look into that...
I had a very tragic family loss in October 09,infact 1year ago today 10.10.09 my 17yr old cousin was killed in a car accident,he has the same initials as MJ as well weirdly,but his funeral came so soon after Michael's that it wasn't until I brought myself to watch the memorial service(I had a ticket and wristband but had to fly back to the UK on July 7th..so i gave it to some kid with a fedora and glove on,on hollywood blvd..think I made his life??)that I was horrified as to how absurd it was.In no way was my cousin of Michael Jackson's stature..but for a 17yr old he had 500ppl at his funeral,those 500ppl...sobbed..and I mean..they cried...and cried...and cried.It was the saddest event of my life.
How could you look at 1.your dad 2.your brother 3.your son 4.your friend 5MICHAEL JACKSON lying in a casket..and not be sad...it's outrageous.and NO ONE WAS LATE TO IT!!! point proven in my opinion.
There is!I know it,and I am going to see if he replies to my question.
Joining on the 25th June and only ever uploading 5 MJ tribute vids is too bizzare.I am going to be on Ken Rolling like peanut butter on Jelly..he has no hope.
The tribute for one thing was a sham.Empty seats?starting late?non coordinated dance routines. It was then put on out of ALL the venues in Vegas...in planet Hollywood.
Now,to me...I think of kids birthday parties when I think of PH..I don't know why..but I just don't take it seriously.It is a joke venue in itself.There were hundreds of other places to put it on and make it top notch in honour of a legend..but no...might as well of hired out chucky cheese and done a duet with a cheese slice...It was NOT MJ STYLE and therefore did not count as a successful tribute event.Sorry Jermaine...stick to putting hair gel on.
It'd be hysterical.I am looking forward to the feedback on the security I have asked for.
There was absolutley NO need to have 6+close protection people around that group.
JJ was loving it.He must of felt like he was a superstar again....erm...
I did say earlier on somewhere it was weird for someone to be allowed to be inbetween the security and their client and not be moved away.Jermaine doesn't even check who is standing behind him.I think if I needed 6+guards I'd be more wary who was standing within breathing distance of me....
Jermaine:"Michael Jackson?never heard of him...next picture?"
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In addition Lane Lassiter wrotre on his myspace page : " Paris almost made me cry last nite she just stared into my eyes after Prince told here to look , it was kind of sad but sweet also "
More info : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei (http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei)
I mean no disrespect, but even as I study the pic vs. the video I distinctly see differences between these two men wearing the red shirt. The video Mike clearly has collar bones the create that boney prominence at the bottom of the neck. Lane's close up pic doesn't, but almost gives the illusion of minor rolls.
Also, I personally think that Prince made Paris look into the eyes of the video Michael-----because the eyes are the windows to the soul and clearly delineate one person from another. I feel, with all my heart, that Paris was looking into the eyes of her father and not Lane. However, Lane needs to maintain the illusion. Also, I don't think Paris' older brother would be cruel enough to tell her do something such as this without a good reason.
That, of course, is my opinion. But my intuition is really telling me that the behavior here of the video Michael and that of the family, in general, is distinctly off.
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OMG, i completely ignore my own thread because i thought most you guys were nuts believing michael was disguised as a impersonator. But now i do believe he was disguised as a impersonator' :lol:
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
I thought this guy hands were black, right! i dont think so... ;) Look at his discoloration on his fingernails
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Just as I suspected and said previously haha ^^^
There was a reason for the gloves and the fact the vid camera caught him wearing them and then to counteract that the photo taken,the other guy had non on to say look...my hands are black, y'all are mistaken.HA
I love when we're right.
Good picture find Sprint ;)
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OMG, i completely ignore my own thread because i thought most you guys were nuts believing michael was disguised as a impersonator. But now i do believe he was disguised as a impersonator' :lol:
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
I thought this guy hands were black, right! i dont think so... ;) Look at his discoloration on his fingernails
Holy crap! WE need to enlarge that pic!! Anyone please??
Great find!
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no, thanked Missyb007 ;)
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OMG, i completely ignore my own thread because i thought most you guys were nuts believing michael was disguised as a impersonator. But now i do believe he was disguised as a impersonator' :lol:
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
I thought this guy hands were black, right! i dont think so... ;) Look at his discoloration on his fingernails
Holy crap! WE need to enlarge that pic!! Anyone please??
Great find!
Enlarged or not...it is quite obvious that that hand...does not belong to the man in the picture with Jermaine.
Cover up for a slip up...it's a constant theme in this 'production' haha.
Michael Jackson....living on the edge of danger and hanging out in Vegas as of 2k10.
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OMG, i completely ignore my own thread because i thought most you guys were nuts believing michael was disguised as a impersonator. But now i do believe he was disguised as a impersonator' :lol:
(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
I thought this guy hands were black, right! i dont think so... ;) Look at his discoloration on his fingernails
Holy crap! WE need to enlarge that pic!! Anyone please??
Great find!
Enlarged or not...it is quite obvious that that hand...does not belong to the man in the picture with Jermaine.
Cover up for a slip up...it's a constant theme in this 'production' haha.
Michael Jackson....living on the edge of danger and hanging out in Vegas as of 2k10.
You're right. But if we can get a close-up of the hand and compare it with other pics...
This is just insane. And larger than life, too :lol: Or should I say death?? Haha!!
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It's not just the color, but even the shape of his thumb... :!: Long and flat, just like Mike's. Huh? Or is it just me?
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It's not just the color, but even the shape of his thumb... :!: Long and flat, just like Mike's. Huh? Or is it just me?
its Micheal's hand, everybody and their momma knows how michael hands looked like :lol:
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(http://static.flickr.com/110/300587187_da79042cb2_o.jpg)
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The cat is out the glove....
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(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/l_a5067e4563784bdb95b3725a6de53cb3.jpg)
http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter/photos/albums/jermaine-jackson/3129996
I guess you could say.. we caught him black-handed 8-)
(ok not funny I'm sorry)
lol his hand is black
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Oh may, the impersonator from the video looks so much like Michael, not only physic even the fact he has make'up, but the body language, my god, the way he moves and bites his lip.....I really don't believe is the same person from the photo
Ah but if he is our Michael, I don't like what I see in the video. I mean even he pretends to be an impersonator, I don't like the situation, even I understand what this implies. He is behind Jermain's back, ignored by all those people, fans etc. and Jermaine benefits from all that attention, photos, hugs, kisses :( :( I hope you understand what i mean to say. :cry:
Look, this could be a possibility. In this stage of the hoax Jermaine must "shine" in order to get a positive impulse to his career. Now Michael is not around (or he might be if the redshirtimpersonator IS him, I'm not sure yet), Jermaine can take the benefit to be in the spotlight ;)
Keep the faith.
L.O.V.E.
“Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof.” - Kahlil Gibran
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Oh may, the impersonator from the video looks so much like Michael, not only physic even the fact he has make'up, but the body language, my god, the way he moves and bites his lip.....I really don't believe is the same person from the photo
Ah but if he is our Michael, I don't like what I see in the video. I mean even he pretends to be an impersonator, I don't like the situation, even I understand what this implies. He is behind Jermain's back, ignored by all those people, fans etc. and Jermaine benefits from all that attention, photos, hugs, kisses :( :( I hope you understand what i mean to say. :cry:
Look, this could be a possibility. In this stage of the hoax Jermaine must "shine" in order to get a positive impulse to his career. Now Michael is not around (or he might be if the redshirtimpersonator IS him, I'm not sure yet), Jermaine can take the benefit to be in the spotlight ;)
Keep the faith.
L.O.V.E.
“Faith is a knowledge within the heart, beyond the reach of proof.” - Kahlil Gibran
I don't underatand what you're saying^^
The hoax was never set up so Jermaine could ressurect his career and 'shine'.He did a terrible effort of paying tribute to Michael in Vegas.It wasn't MJ like at all.No glitz,glamour..nothing.Bad dancers,bad lighting, wasn't sold out,the crowd had to wait over an hour for it to start....Michael would not have approved of ANY of that.He is a perfectionist.
I don't think he went off the radar of the world so Jermaine Jackson could come back on the scene and kill his songs in Las Vegas.
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It's not only Jermaine who's allowed to shine in this hoax. Michael is taking all manner of behind the scenes roles in his masterpiece. Hundreds of people are "shining" having their careers boosted by the hoax, and a lot of people are benefitting financially. If this impersonator is MJ, it is all an act, the nervousness and lip-biting. It's funny about the close-up of JJ and this guy (maybe not actually same guy), showing the black hand on the shoulder. Remember the pic of Lionel Richie with the 3 kids and how people were putting MJ instead, but the hands were still black. I'm positive MJ follows all the photo-shopping and stuff going on in major hoax sites. So easy to shop a hand in. For me now the 3 proofs: lots bodygaurds, kids there, and status of the video-taker found by Sinderella. So far... 8-)
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ha ha can u imagine....those ladies were right by him and did not know.......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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ha ha can u imagine....those ladies were right by him and did not know.......... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Hilarious!!!
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For me now the 3 proofs: lots bodygaurds, kids there, and status of the video-taker found by Sinderella. So far... 8-)
Still working on getting more out of that ;)
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I think, Lane Lassiter did not know what to do he looked lost, out of his depth and he did not know which way to go. To be fair if he had seen Michael's children you would be a bit strange. No one with a heart would dress like the kids dead father and parade around in front of them.
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I think, Lane Lassiter did not know what to do he looked lost, out of his depth and he did not know which way to go. To be fair if he had seen Michael's children you would be a bit strange. No one with a heart would dress like the kids dead father and parade around in front of them.
No one with a heart would take these kids somewhere they'd see a bunch of impersonators of their "dead" Dad. How sick is that of Jermaine? Unless, of course, the Dad isn't dead and is maybe even around, himself. That's what we're trying to figure out now.
Lane Lassiter might have felt a bit uneasy being around the kids (he did Tweet about it after all, well..if that's not part of the hoax too) but the behaviour of the guy in the video doesn't add up with the pic where that guy seems confident and all. Also, like others pointed out, the bodyguards were behaving strange. So either way, the whole scene feels off to the guts.
Btw, have we thought about WHY THERE WERE SO MANY IMPERSONATORS at the afterparty show??? What was the point?? Unless you wanna distract people from the real thing...Heh? Real thing meaning the REAL GUY??
Just my thoughts...
Love to all.
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and the children would have seen daddy beforehand...so they would know what he was doing.....and being made up to look like a lookalike .they would not have been worried,it would have been explained to them....xxx
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and its interesting that the photo of micheals hand....................is just that...A PHOTO...........was it added deliberately to tell us....................i mean,why is there some footage .and some still shots..........the one with his hand showing,is it done on purpose....................????????????????was he even standing there in that shot,or was it added to the shot.........................oh dear time for my straightjacket......
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Am I the only curious 1 to know who the women are? :lol:
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and its interesting that the photo of micheals hand....................is just that...A PHOTO...........was it added deliberately to tell us....................i mean,why is there some footage .and some still shots..........the one with his hand showing,is it done on purpose....................????????????????was he even standing there in that shot,or was it added to the shot.........................oh dear time for my straightjacket......
Good point, actually. The stills appeared out of nowhere?? We started questioning the redshirt guy, all of a sudden a pic was thrown at us with him hugging Jermaine and we could see his black hand. Now we got another pic with someone standing with his back turned on us, his hand visible again... Suspicious, if you ask me...
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Am I the only curious 1 to know who the women are? :lol:
rebbies daughter and i dont know who's the other woman is
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@sprint911
Can you post a link to the still pics? Thank you!
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@sprint911
Can you post a link to the still pics? Thank you!
what pics?
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(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
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@sprint911
Can you post a link to the still pics? Thank you!
what pics?
The pic above...or is that from the video? Sorry...I'm a little slow today... :oops:
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Yes at the end of the video ... I started another topic on this photo because nobody replied to my question in this initial one. Too focus on the guy with the red shirt at the beginning of this discussion ;) To me this photo is included in this video for A reason !
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*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
The Jermaine tribute show in Planet Hollywood October 2nd 2010 was being filmed for pay per view tv like most performance/shows in Vegas.It is quite normal.I did say this earlier on in the thread.There would be a no recording policy in place because what would be the point in paying for it on tv when someone is going to be uploading it in a few hours on youtube FOR FREE...
If you record when it is it unauthorized in the venue by the venue or artist and you upload it on to the internet you can be sued for illigally uploading content that you have no rights to,be made to remove it etc.Anyone at that show probably had their camera taken off them.This leaves phone...but the rules still apply...no video footage would be allowed to be uploaded.
This seems to also explain the 02 Conference...kinda....Nah...that's still fucked up lol!sorry
This 'Ken Rolling' who myself and a few other members are trying to hunt down and find out about,is the strangest character and nothing makes sense so far.There are a few links that lead to nowwhere around summer 2008..and then nothing until 2010.
To me, it appears he is definitley up on some sort of balcony area which is usually VIP thus appearing so far away when filming and also filming illegally but getting away with it as no one could see him do it.
The plot thickens....
will keep y'all up to speed.
Sin xo
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@sprint911
Can you post a link to the still pics? Thank you!
what pics?
The pic above...or is that from the video? Sorry...I'm a little slow today... :oops:
yes, its from the video
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5DUQBj ... dded....so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5DUQBjzyE&feature=player_embedded....so) i see this vid on the other forum...wth is this then.clear footage...who took it...???
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(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6383/someonesthere.jpg)
Did anyone else find it odd that the woman with the blonde hair kept throwing up the baphomet sign in the photos? It wasn't like it was a rock concert where many people may throw it up without knowing what they're doing. Just another odd thing amongst many odd and possibly disturbing things (if MJ is really dead) about this event.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK5DUQBjzyE&feature=player_embedded....so i see this vid on the other forum...wth is this then.clear footage...who took it...???
They are possibly the ugliest lookalikes I have ever had to look at,all at the same time...
and in answer to the question it looks to me like it came from someone doing proper filming ie not on a phone or digital cam so maybe the pay per view footage?It is clear and close enough
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All I can say is................
Gosh golly, Michael, I love ya!!!!!!
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I think, Lane Lassiter did not know what to do he looked lost, out of his depth and he did not know which way to go. To be fair if he had seen Michael's children you would be a bit strange. No one with a heart would dress like the kids dead father and parade around in front of them.
No one with a heart would take these kids somewhere they'd see a bunch of impersonators of their "dead" Dad. How sick is that of Jermaine? Unless, of course, the Dad isn't dead and is maybe even around, himself. That's what we're trying to figure out now.
Lane Lassiter might have felt a bit uneasy being around the kids (he did Tweet about it after all, well..if that's not part of the hoax too) but the behaviour of the guy in the video doesn't add up with the pic where that guy seems confident and all. Also, like others pointed out, the bodyguards were behaving strange. So either way, the whole scene feels off to the guts.
Btw, have we thought about WHY THERE WERE SO MANY IMPERSONATORS at the afterparty show??? What was the point?? Unless you wanna distract people from the real thing...Heh? Real thing meaning the REAL GUY??
Just my thoughts...
Love to all.
In normality no no one would do that. But MJ was a celebrity. It's something they can't escape, they might go somewhere and just happen to see an impersonator. I'm sure growing up Lisa Marie came in contact or seen several Elvis impersonator. I see it as the kids get to see how much fans loved and admired their father.
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and its interesting that the photo of micheals hand....................is just that...A PHOTO...........was it added deliberately to tell us....................i mean,why is there some footage .and some still shots..........the one with his hand showing,is it done on purpose....................????????????????was he even standing there in that shot,or was it added to the shot.........................oh dear time for my straightjacket......
Good point, actually. The stills appeared out of nowhere?? We started questioning the redshirt guy, all of a sudden a pic was thrown at us with him hugging Jermaine and we could see his black hand. Now we got another pic with someone standing with his back turned on us, his hand visible again... Suspicious, if you ask me...
It's interesting that we have his "Back" to us, just like in the pic of MJ in the Wrap looking at earth (the Sphinx).
If it is truly MJ, maybe like in the video Ghosts, he is saying to us, "Game time, anybody like games? Hello!" ;) We have to guess which ones are impersators and which one is the real thing.
Just a thought about Ken Rolling, could he be Michael the camera man, maybe none of the impersonators was Michael? Just another option.
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*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
The Jermaine tribute show in Planet Hollywood October 2nd 2010 was being filmed for pay per view tv like most performance/shows in Vegas.It is quite normal.I did say this earlier on in the thread.There would be a no recording policy in place because what would be the point in paying for it on tv when someone is going to be uploading it in a few hours on youtube FOR FREE...
If you record when it is it unauthorized in the venue by the venue or artist and you upload it on to the internet you can be sued for illigally uploading content that you have no rights to,be made to remove it etc.Anyone at that show probably had their camera taken off them.This leaves phone...but the rules still apply...no video footage would be allowed to be uploaded.
This seems to also explain the 02 Conference...kinda....Nah...that's still fucked up lol!sorry
This 'Ken Rolling' who myself and a few other members are trying to hunt down and find out about,is the strangest character and nothing makes sense so far.There are a few links that lead to nowwhere around summer 2008..and then nothing until 2010.
To me, it appears he is definitley up on some sort of balcony area which is usually VIP thus appearing so far away when filming and also filming illegally but getting away with it as no one could see him do it.
The plot thickens....
will keep y'all up to speed.
Sin xo
So I wonder, how come this guy's video has not been removed, nor was his account suspended??
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I just have to say this as I find it rather peculiar. I realize that there are MJ impersonators here with Jermaine at his after party at Planet Hollywood. However, does anything at all look suspicious to any of you??????
This is what looks peculiar to me: Observe the Michael wearing the red shirt under the black suit coat. Yes, the one you see first at the very beginning of the video. Yes, he is standing behind Jermaine....and continues to stay there, coincidentally being flanked by the body guards for Jermaine. Watch him closely, watch his body language. He appears nervous. Why???? Plus, he is not standing with the other impersonators. To me, this is out of place.....and not in keeping with the behavior of the other impersonators who clearly are composed and appear to enjoy the attention.
I may be wrong....but ya know, I may be right?!?!?!
I know further down this page someone pointed out this is Lane....but two questions in my mind. Why in Lane's pics does he not show himself out of costume? And also....as you pointed out in this video....watch impersonator in red shirt closely at 11 seconds. He calls a body guard over and tells him something and the body guard looks to tell someone to put their camera away. Why would an impersonator not want his pic taken? At least that's how it looks to me.
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In addition Lane Lassiter wrotre on his myspace page : " Paris almost made me cry last nite she just stared into my eyes after Prince told here to look , it was kind of sad but sweet also "
More info : http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei (http://www.myspace.com/lanelassiter#ixzz11k6lBDei)
I mean no disrespect, but even as I study the pic vs. the video I distinctly see differences between these two men wearing the red shirt. The video Mike clearly has collar bones the create that boney prominence at the bottom of the neck. Lane's close up pic doesn't, but almost gives the illusion of minor rolls.
Also, I personally think that Prince made Paris look into the eyes of the video Michael-----because the eyes are the windows to the soul and clearly delineate one person from another. I feel, with all my heart, that Paris was looking into the eyes of her father and not Lane. However, Lane needs to maintain the illusion. Also, I don't think Paris' older brother would be cruel enough to tell her do something such as this without a good reason.
That, of course, is my opinion. But my intuition is really telling me that the behavior here of the video Michael and that of the family, in general, is distinctly off.
That post was also made at 11:11a very spiritual and awakening number.
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[youtube:3t5opq4h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA[/youtube:3t5opq4h]
Hmm... something else I've noticed. I dunno if anyone else has. but the song chosen for this video The lyrics
"... But someone picked you from the bunch... One look was all it took....." :mrgreen:
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[youtube:3g08771d]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA[/youtube:3g08771d]
Hmm... something else I've noticed. I dunno if anyone else has. but the song chosen for this video The lyrics
"... But someone picked you from the bunch... One look was all it took....." :mrgreen:
Nice catch!!! :D It does seem to tie in perfectly with what's being talked about on this thread...
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*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
The Jermaine tribute show in Planet Hollywood October 2nd 2010 was being filmed for pay per view tv like most performance/shows in Vegas.It is quite normal.I did say this earlier on in the thread.There would be a no recording policy in place because what would be the point in paying for it on tv when someone is going to be uploading it in a few hours on youtube FOR FREE...
If you record when it is it unauthorized in the venue by the venue or artist and you upload it on to the internet you can be sued for illigally uploading content that you have no rights to,be made to remove it etc.Anyone at that show probably had their camera taken off them.This leaves phone...but the rules still apply...no video footage would be allowed to be uploaded.
This seems to also explain the 02 Conference...kinda....Nah...that's still fucked up lol!sorry
This 'Ken Rolling' who myself and a few other members are trying to hunt down and find out about,is the strangest character and nothing makes sense so far.There are a few links that lead to nowhere around summer 2008..and then nothing until 2010.
To me, it appears he is definitley up on some sort of balcony area which is usually VIP thus appearing so far away when filming and also filming illegally but getting away with it as no one could see him do it.
The plot thickens....
will keep y'all up to speed.
Sin xo
So I wonder, how come this guy's video has not been removed, nor was his account suspended??
WELL....This is strange also,and I only picked up on it late last night.I watched all 5videos from Mr Ken Rolling,although not very long,each video is a Jackson 5 song,there are NO Michael songs recorded.
Not strange you may say...he is just a Jackson 5 fan...but...the day after the tribute show, TMZ released an article which was put up by Dejavu in a seperate thread "Jermaine Commands Michael Jackson's Army" stating if any other recorded footage was taken apart from the pay per view footage he could face legal action.Jermaine is legally allowed to cover the MJ songs in concert, but if he uses the pay per view recorded footage or any other footage to create and then sell a DVD, album or extra TV special he would need to go through the Michael Jackson estate to secure permission.
Seems odd to me that this person avoided recording ANY Michael Jackson songs at a Michael Jackson tribute event and only get the Jackson 5 performances which...wouldn't get JJ into trouble with the estate....The article from TMZ did not come out until the following day so how did this person know not to record MJ tracks and only J5 ones?
This together with the joining on June 25th,only having uploaded Michael Jackon tribute related vids up in the whole 2years he has had the account and he is the most obscure man possibly ever....can't all be coinsidence.
It isn't even like he might have deleted previous videos because the only 5 subscriptions he has on his channel are from MJ fans and obviously came when he uploaded those videos last week.
That is why his videos have not been removed...they aren't breaching JJ's rights to perform and video record his OWN songs.
I am Ken Rollings worst nightmare as of now.
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well done sinderella,,clever girl.!!!!.................you should be working for the CIA....KGB....FBI.... ha ha ...........keep it up its brilliant work....xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
The Jermaine tribute show in Planet Hollywood October 2nd 2010 was being filmed for pay per view tv like most performance/shows in Vegas.It is quite normal.I did say this earlier on in the thread.There would be a no recording policy in place because what would be the point in paying for it on tv when someone is going to be uploading it in a few hours on youtube FOR FREE...
If you record when it is it unauthorized in the venue by the venue or artist and you upload it on to the internet you can be sued for illigally uploading content that you have no rights to,be made to remove it etc.Anyone at that show probably had their camera taken off them.This leaves phone...but the rules still apply...no video footage would be allowed to be uploaded.
This seems to also explain the 02 Conference...kinda....Nah...that's still fucked up lol!sorry
This 'Ken Rolling' who myself and a few other members are trying to hunt down and find out about,is the strangest character and nothing makes sense so far.There are a few links that lead to nowhere around summer 2008..and then nothing until 2010.
To me, it appears he is definitley up on some sort of balcony area which is usually VIP thus appearing so far away when filming and also filming illegally but getting away with it as no one could see him do it.
The plot thickens....
will keep y'all up to speed.
Sin xo
So I wonder, how come this guy's video has not been removed, nor was his account suspended??
WELL....This is strange also,and I only picked up on it late last night.I watched all 5videos from Mr Ken Rolling,although not very long,each video is a Jackson 5 song,there are NO Michael songs recorded.
Not strange you may say...he is just a Jackson 5 fan...but...the day after the tribute show, TMZ released an article which was put up by Dejavu in a seperate thread "Jermaine Commands Michael Jackson's Army" stating if any other recorded footage was taken apart from the pay per view footage he could face legal action.Jermaine is legally allowed to cover the MJ songs in concert, but if he uses the pay per view recorded footage or any other footage to create and then sell a DVD, album or extra TV special he would need to go through the Michael Jackson estate to secure permission.
Seems odd to me that this person avoided recording ANY Michael Jackson songs at a Michael Jackson tribute event and only get the Jackson 5 performances which...wouldn't get JJ into trouble with the estate....The article from TMZ did not come out until the following day so how did this person know not to record MJ tracks and only J5 ones?
This together with the joining on June 25th,only having uploaded Michael Jackon tribute related vids up in the whole 2years he has had the account and he is the most obscure man possibly ever....can't all be coinsidence.
It isn't even like he might have deleted previous videos because the only 5 subscriptions he has on his channel are from MJ fans and obviously came when he uploaded those videos last week.
That is why his videos have not been removed...they aren't breaching JJ's rights to perform and video record his OWN songs.
I am Ken Rollings worst nightmare as of now.
Got you. But hear this:
Leaving aside the fact that this guy might actually be breaching a whole bunch of other people's rights, including, of course, the rights to make the footage of the show public, whatever songs are being played there, how come he managed to shoot anything at all?? Know what I mean? Nobody noticed anything, he just went and did it? What I'm implying here is that this guy isn't afraid about his own ass, he doesn't want to get JJ into trouble by recording and releasing music which JJ's got no rights to? How strange...
This, combined with the fact that: TMZ pointed out the implications explicitly, we can't seem to be able to track this guy down (plus all the weird circumstances concerning his account), PLUS the actual video of the Vegas gig and JJ's antics and everyone else's too...Hmmmmm!!!
I feel like a hunting dog now :geek:
P.S. Great job, Sin
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well done sinderella,,clever girl.!!!!.................you should be working for the CIA....KGB....FBI.... ha ha ...........keep it up its brilliant work....xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ahhh thank youuu!!Just doing my bit =]
Haha!That'd be so awesome...I would totally suit flashing one of those badges at people.
*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
I am Ken Rollings worst nightmare as of now.
Got you. But hear this:
Leaving aside the fact that this guy might actually be breaching a whole bunch of other people's rights, including, of course, the rights to make the footage of the show public, whatever songs are being played there, how come he managed to shoot anything at all?? Know what I mean? Nobody noticed anything, he just went and did it? What I'm implying here is that this guy isn't afraid about his own ass, he doesn't want to get JJ into trouble by recording and releasing music which JJ's got no rights to? How strange...
This, combined with the fact that: TMZ pointed out the implications explicitly, we can't seem to be able to track this guy down (plus all the weird circumstances concerning his account), PLUS the actual video of the Vegas gig and JJ's antics and everyone else's too...Hmmmmm!!!
I feel like a hunting dog now :geek:
P.S. Great job, Sin
First,thank you =]
Second,totally spot on.I need to go look through every comment left under each vid to see if anyone knows him or said they were there...because I don't think I have seen one saying I was there..it was awesome/shit/mediocre/how did you take this...
The only comments i can see are...why is it so blurry and why is there no other video of this on the net.Which we know the answer to,and why no one has got at him to remove it from either PH or JJ's camp.WEIRD.
Thirdly,This guy is off the radar.Everything he has signed up to..has either been deleted,been unused between 08-10, has no friends on the list,no picture,or has pictures that are full of ego and bling and cars ???everysite has a different agenda and talks about either super geeky stuff and vegas..but you cant comment on his posts or is about not letting your boss get rich....
When I say this guy is strange and obscure I mean he is STRANGE and OBSCURE to the max.
He has multiple places of residence noted down
Vegas
Atlanta
Georgia
Anchorage,Alaska
Virginia
He has different birth dates December 1st then somewhere saying he is capricorn...which Michael is..btw.
Nothing makes sense or links up with the next find.
I honestly don't think it is a real person.It can't be...
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Sinderella
WELL....This is strange also,and I only picked up on it late last night.I watched all 5videos from Mr Ken Rolling,although not very long,each video is a Jackson 5 song,there are NO Michael songs recorded.
Not strange you may say...he is just a Jackson 5 fan...but...the day after the tribute show, TMZ released an article which was put up by Dejavu in a seperate thread "Jermaine Commands Michael Jackson's Army" stating if any other recorded footage was taken apart from the pay per view footage he could face legal action.Jermaine is legally allowed to cover the MJ songs in concert, but if he uses the pay per view recorded footage or any other footage to create and then sell a DVD, album or extra TV special he would need to go through the Michael Jackson estate to secure permission.
Seems odd to me that this person avoided recording ANY Michael Jackson songs at a Michael Jackson tribute event and only get the Jackson 5 performances which...wouldn't get JJ into trouble with the estate....The article from TMZ did not come out until the following day so how did this person know not to record MJ tracks and only J5 ones?
This together with the joining on June 25th,only having uploaded Michael Jackon tribute related vids up in the whole 2years he has had the account and he is the most obscure man possibly ever....can't all be coinsidence.
It isn't even like he might have deleted previous videos because the only 5 subscriptions he has on his channel are from MJ fans and obviously came when he uploaded those videos last week.
That is why his videos have not been removed...they aren't breaching JJ's rights to perform and video record his OWN songs.
I am Ken Rollings worst nightmare as of now.
This is so set up, TMZ specifically posting the rules of not using MJ music, and the one day foreknowledge by Rolling is huge. Someone should save the videos in case they are deleted. Also could you post the comments you mentioned, and the info about this Ken Rolling?(sounds like the camera is "rolling", Kenny Ortega?) Sounds like when TS was trying to prove his authenticity he used proof like that, preknowledge of what TMZ would post like the next day.
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I know further down this page someone pointed out this is Lane....but two questions in my mind. Why in Lane's pics does he not show himself out of costume? And also....as you pointed out in this video....watch impersonator in red shirt closely at 11 seconds. He calls a body guard over and tells him something and the body guard looks to tell someone to put their camera away. Why would an impersonator not want his pic taken? At least that's how it looks to me.
I never noticed this, but you're totally right. Why would a mere impersonator be able to tell a body-gaurd what to do? And not take footage--maybe because he knows Mr. Rolling will be doing it. Seems like its a clue from MJ to us watchers. ;) This guy is wearing black gloves and then in the pic with JJ, and the one showing his "back" is bare-black handed?? This is all starting to get very entertaining, a lot more than JJ's performance. :lol: Great work guys!!
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This is so set up, TMZ specifically posting the rules of not using MJ music, and the one day foreknowledge by Rolling is huge. Someone should save the videos in case they are deleted. Also could you post the comments you mentioned, and the info about this Ken Rolling?(sounds like the camera is "rolling", Kenny Ortega?) Sounds like when TS was trying to prove his authenticity he used proof like that, preknowledge of what TMZ would post like the next day
Well the title of the article was about commanding MJ's army but the article was actually about JJ not being able to use MJ's music for profit and how he might have pissed off the estate/sony.
There was no need for the public to know that.It's just a pointless story..
I'm glad I picked up on this 'Ken Rolling' because he is somehow linked i'm positive.
You want me to post my previous comments or the ones on youtube under the videos?
The info about him is throughout my previous comments,I am not going to post his myspace until I get more on him-I don't want to be responsible for whoever it is getting harassed just yet.
His website which is random is http://www.kenrolling.com and really isn't very interesting..it does not match the persona he seems to have on other sites.Bling,cars,sunglasses,all about the $$$.This seems quite geeky to me.
His myspace has a few pics,no friends apart from Tom myspace,no comments,and hasn't been logged into ...well ever....it's a pointless account..like everything else attached to his name seems to be.
I am trying my best to find some sort of link to SOMEONE involved in this is it or something but if it is a fake name,birthday,city of residence..it's going to be a while.
I'll check youtube comments tonight though.
Hope this answeres your questions?
Thanks,if we continue to work as a team we shall be triumphant
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Thanks! :)
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This is so set up, TMZ specifically posting the rules of not using MJ music, and the one day foreknowledge by Rolling is huge. Someone should save the videos in case they are deleted. Also could you post the comments you mentioned, and the info about this Ken Rolling?(sounds like the camera is "rolling", Kenny Ortega?) Sounds like when TS was trying to prove his authenticity he used proof like that, preknowledge of what TMZ would post like the next day
Well the title of the article was about commanding MJ's army but the article was actually about JJ not being able to use MJ's music for profit and how he might have pissed off the estate/sony.
There was no need for the public to know that.It's just a pointless story..
I'm glad I picked up on this 'Ken Rolling' because he is somehow linked i'm positive.
You want me to post my previous comments or the ones on youtube under the videos?
The info about him is throughout my previous comments,I am not going to post his myspace until I get more on him-I don't want to be responsible for whoever it is getting harassed just yet.
His website which is random is http://www.kenrolling.com and really isn't very interesting..it does not match the persona he seems to have on other sites.Bling,cars,sunglasses,all about the $$$.This seems quite geeky to me.
His myspace has a few pics,no friends apart from Tom myspace,no comments,and hasn't been logged into ...well ever....it's a pointless account..like everything else attached to his name seems to be.
I am trying my best to find some sort of link to SOMEONE involved in this is it or something but if it is a fake name,birthday,city of residence..it's going to be a while.
I'll check youtube comments tonight though.
Hope this answeres your questions?
Thanks,if we continue to work as a team we shall be triumphant
Absolutely! I love team work :)
Gotta go get some sleep but I'll be back to dig into this again ;) Seems like we might be on to something.
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No problem,didn't imagine it to be an easy mission haha
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well done sinderella,,clever girl.!!!!.................you should be working for the CIA....KGB....FBI.... ha ha ...........keep it up its brilliant work....xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Ahhh thank youuu!!Just doing my bit =]
Haha!That'd be so awesome...I would totally suit flashing one of those badges at people.
*****News update on why there is no other footage of the actual show********
I am Ken Rollings worst nightmare as of now.
Got you. But hear this:
Leaving aside the fact that this guy might actually be breaching a whole bunch of other people's rights, including, of course, the rights to make the footage of the show public, whatever songs are being played there, how come he managed to shoot anything at all?? Know what I mean? Nobody noticed anything, he just went and did it? What I'm implying here is that this guy isn't afraid about his own ass, he doesn't want to get JJ into trouble by recording and releasing music which JJ's got no rights to? How strange...
This, combined with the fact that: TMZ pointed out the implications explicitly, we can't seem to be able to track this guy down (plus all the weird circumstances concerning his account), PLUS the actual video of the Vegas gig and JJ's antics and everyone else's too...Hmmmmm!!!
I feel like a hunting dog now :geek:
P.S. Great job, Sin
First,thank you =]
Second,totally spot on.I need to go look through every comment left under each vid to see if anyone knows him or said they were there...because I don't think I have seen one saying I was there..it was awesome/shit/mediocre/how did you take this...
The only comments i can see are...why is it so blurry and why is there no other video of this on the net.Which we know the answer to,and why no one has got at him to remove it from either PH or JJ's camp.WEIRD.
Thirdly,This guy is off the radar.Everything he has signed up to..has either been deleted,been unused between 08-10, has no friends on the list,no picture,or has pictures that are full of ego and bling and cars ???everysite has a different agenda and talks about either super geeky stuff and vegas..but you cant comment on his posts or is about not letting your boss get rich....
When I say this guy is strange and obscure I mean he is STRANGE and OBSCURE to the max.
He has multiple places of residence noted down
Vegas
Atlanta
Georgia
Anchorage,Alaska
Virginia
He has different birth dates December 1st then somewhere saying he is capricorn...which Michael is..btw.
Nothing makes sense or links up with the next find.
I honestly don't think it is a real person.It can't be...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.Perhaps another alias?????
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I hope it isnt a 'new identity' or this is gonna be a long night lol!
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Something in my gut feeling always told me that he was alive from day one 'it' happened. I ended up always referring him in present tense (like his family members :lol: ) without even realizing that i did. I denied it because i thought well maybe because I'm not over his 'death' yet and I'm having a hard time of some sort. But i gave myself the chance and i ended up on this page ;) . I had this dream and I was in shock when i woke up :o :shock: .
i dreamt that he came back and this page was going crazy :lol: :D :) ;) . We were all in celebration and apparently the majority of the non-believers were angry at Michael Jackson for doing that :roll: . the world was in shock too. cant' remember the rest of them though.. :(
Anyways back to the topic. The guy in the red and black coat has something fishy about him. OK so assuming that is an impersonator, this person is really creepy then because it is too much to imitate. i understand the look, and certain things but that is just too Michael Jackson to copy. Anybody also noticed him avoiding the camera with the guard standing in front of him? if he is an impersonator why avoid the camera? i mean the others around him are enjoying it :lol:. The one in the picture with JJ has a shorter face with a thicker neck and the one in the video has a thinner neck and a leaner face like our MJ. I hope we are all right on this one. Who knew he would disguise himself as an impersonator :lol: only Michael Jackson will do that.
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just a note about mj being a capricorn...................thats december/january brthdays.?????????????????
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It seem a little creepy that Jermaine would take a photo with an impersonator that look alot like his brother. I've seen Lane Lassiter MJ look alike on his myspace. It's freaky because this dude really look alot like him but you can tell he is dark skin black obviously by his hand on the photo with Jermaine.lol However, I wouldn't rule out the fact that MJ would do something like Impersonate himself at a party. That would actually be halarious.
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just a note about mj being a capricorn...................thats december/january brthdays.?????????????????
Dec 22 - Jan 20
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I hope it isnt a 'new identity' or this is gonna be a long night lol!
I did little search too, and I really think the name Ken Rolling is just a nick, it's not a real name, IMO. And if that's the case then I'm sure the name stands for something, cause nicks always have some hidden meaning.
I also think there isn't much point in following the other "Kens" since they probably got nothing to do with our youtube Ken who apparently disappeared into thin air for now. But we need to keep an eye on his account and see if he maybe uploads another video?? If he uploaded two, why stop there? ;)
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Michael is a Virgo same as Barry Gibb
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Michael is a Virgo same as Barry Gibb
just a note about mj being a capricorn...................thats december/january brthdays.???????
Quite right, my mistake,whatever website i googled had Aug 22nd>September 21st.
I don't know any other Virgo's so know nothing about that sign,google failed
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I hope it isnt a 'new identity' or this is gonna be a long night lol!
I did little search too, and I really think the name Ken Rolling is just a nick, it's not a real name, IMO. And if that's the case then I'm sure the name stands for something, cause nicks always have some hidden meaning.
I also think there isn't much point in following the other "Kens" since they probably got nothing to do with our youtube Ken who apparently disappeared into thin air for now. But we need to keep an eye on his account and see if he maybe uploads another video?? If he uploaded two, why stop there? ;)
I think it is too.The whole person is fake.As I said nothing links up with anything.It is like he is 2 or 3 different personalities.
One thinks he is the next Donald Trump and goes on about not letting your boss get rich wearing all his bling and sungless while on a mobile phone...another seems geeky and into movies and has a totally pointless website about superman and movie reviews,no picture up on his youtube account,no friends on myspace or any other vids up as we know,there is only one facebook account for a KR that also has no picture and like...39friends who all look random(why be friends with someone who doesn't even have a photo up?lol) and on twitter he is flashing his big car talking about marketing and search engines.That as i said all added to his multiple residence,different dates of birth......only leaves a huge ?
I am a very frustrated Sinderella.
He IS thin air lol..It is quite rare for a person in 2010 to have no solid online presence even if it's just the one myspace,facebook or twitter.
He uploaded FIVE!! lmao not two...or 3...5!In one go after nothing for 2years.
Also,if he was up on a balcony,which USUALLY is the VIP area so you don't get squished,and was being a naughty boy filming when he shouldn't have been why didn't he make his way into this aftershow and film some more,he is clearly a JJ fan......as you said he isn't bothered about taking a bit of a risk or being thrown out for filming a show with a policy so why not go the party and meet the guy?...Thats what most people would be doing haha
I don't want to make out like this guy might play a bigger part in all this incase he isn't as important as we hope he is...but so far with what I have seen,there are too many questions to not stay on his ass for the time being.
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Wow Sinderella you're a good investigator :D
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I hope it isnt a 'new identity' or this is gonna be a long night lol!
I did little search too, and I really think the name Ken Rolling is just a nick, it's not a real name, IMO. And if that's the case then I'm sure the name stands for something, cause nicks always have some hidden meaning.
I also think there isn't much point in following the other "Kens" since they probably got nothing to do with our youtube Ken who apparently disappeared into thin air for now. But we need to keep an eye on his account and see if he maybe uploads another video?? If he uploaded two, why stop there? ;)
I think it is too.The whole person is fake.As I said nothing links up with anything.It is like he is 2 or 3 different personalities.
One thinks he is the next Donald Trump and goes on about not letting your boss get rich wearing all his bling and sungless while on a mobile phone...another seems geeky and into movies and has a totally pointless website about superman and movie reviews,no picture up on his youtube account,no friends on myspace or any other vids up as we know,there is only one facebook account for a KR that also has no picture and like...39friends who all look random(why be friends with someone who doesn't even have a photo up?lol) and on twitter he is flashing his big car talking about marketing and search engines.That as i said all added to his multiple residence,different dates of birth......only leaves a huge ?
I am a very frustrated Sinderella.
He IS thin air lol..It is quite rare for a person in 2010 to have no solid online presence even if it's just the one myspace,facebook or twitter.
He uploaded FIVE!! lmao not two...or 3...5!In one go after nothing for 2years.
Also,if he was up on a balcony,which USUALLY is the VIP area so you don't get squished,and was being a naughty boy filming when he shouldn't have been why didn't he make his way into this aftershow and film some more,he is clearly a JJ fan......as you said he isn't bothered about taking a bit of a risk or being thrown out for filming a show with a policy so why not go the party and meet the guy?...Thats what most people would be doing haha
I don't want to make out like this guy might play a bigger part in all this incase he isn't as important as we hope he is...but so far with what I have seen,there are too many questions to not stay on his ass for the time being.
Oh, crap, where did I get 2? :? Nevermind :lol:
He visited his account 2 days ago, I wonder why. And I wonder if he's following this forum.
Btw, we agree the videos must have been taken by a cellphone, obviously. It's really crap sound and all and it doesn't really have much of a value, you can barely hear what songs they're singing. My ears hurt just trying to figure what song that is. My point - he opened his account two years ago just to upload 5 crap videos?? If he's a fan of JJ I'd expect him to attend all kinds of shows/tributes/concerts whatever and try to get a few shots here and there of JJ and post it on his myspace,youtube whatever account. I don't get it. I suppose the only purpose of him sitting so far and away from the stage is to be able to record it, unseen, although I'm sure someone must have seen him/his shining cellphone screen, right. But given the bad quality of the videos, I really doubt anyone would bother going after him. Not really sure how important this guy is...he might be a distraction of some kind, just to lead us off the way.
I also thought of the video from the afterparty - what struck me as weird is that although the pics are supposed to be stills taken from the video, something doesn't add up. If you look at the pic with this person standing with his back turned on us and the white hand...I didn't see that in the actual video. There is nobody behind those two girls posing for a pic. I mean, there must either be a longer video which we haven't seen and someone took the still from there, or it's photoshopped or someone took the pic independent of the video. Whatever case, it is STRANGE. I think we need to go after the person that uploaded the video. Who took it and why nobody paid any attention to him/her?? Something's off with those hands: gloves/black hand/white hand/...I hope someone's not playing nasty games with us :?
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Wow Sinderella you're a good investigator :D
I'm definitley gonna change career's and go for a job at the FBI like Loyalfan suggested haha <3
Oh, crap, where did I get 2? :? Nevermind :lol:
He visited his account 2 days ago, I wonder why. And I wonder if he's following this forum.
Btw, we agree the videos must have been taken by a cellphone, obviously. It's really crap sound and all and it doesn't really have much of a value, you can barely hear what songs they're singing. My ears hurt just trying to figure what song that is. My point - he opened his account two years ago just to upload 5 crap videos?? If he's a fan of JJ I'd expect him to attend all kinds of shows/tributes/concerts whatever and try to get a few shots here and there of JJ and post it on his myspace,youtube whatever account. I don't get it. I suppose the only purpose of him sitting so far and away from the stage is to be able to record it, unseen, although I'm sure someone must have seen him/his shining cellphone screen, right. But given the bad quality of the videos, I really doubt anyone would bother going after him. Not really sure how important this guy is...he might be a distraction of some kind, just to lead us off the way.
I also thought of the video from the afterparty - what struck me as weird is that although the pics are supposed to be stills taken from the video, something doesn't add up. If you look at the pic with this person standing with his back turned on us and the white hand...I didn't see that in the actual video. There is nobody behind those two girls posing for a pic. I mean, there must either be a longer video which we haven't seen and someone took the still from there, or it's photoshopped or someone took the pic independent of the video. Whatever case, it is STRANGE. I think we need to go after the person that uploaded the video. Who took it and why nobody paid any attention to him/her?? Something's off with those hands: gloves/black hand/white hand/...I hope someone's not playing nasty games with us :?
Something is 'off' with the entire show,start to finish..inc the party.
This just came to me too,don't know about you,but if i was pay per viewing to watch JJ's tribute show at home,and i was comfy,sat with some wine,nibbles..you know...getting prepared for this thing i'd just paid for to start so I could belt out a few tunes in my living room...and i'm waiting....and waiting...and my wine has run out....and i'm waiting...Doritos have gone..and it started an HOUR LATER!!I think someone would be issuing me a refund and another bottle of wine.
That is the people at home...not mentioning the people who paid to be at the thing and who might have travelled to Vegas to see it.Thee was no apology or explanation as far as I know that was given either.
Then you have this guy,filming when NO ONE else is, on a phone with awful quality..and it is the only visual evidence )apart from the payper view footage LF got earlier) that it even happened..but the catch is this guy isn't even really a real person?
And exactly...the videos aren't even amazing.It wouldn't be such a weird thing if everything else had a connection...but it doesn't.June 25th and the Jackson tribute connection grabbed me straight away but since then...this 'person' is off the charts weird.
Pause it at 2.34 exactly there is the 3women an just at the side you can see a white hand positioned like in the photo.I'm looking at it now,don't know how to do a still though..someone tell me and I will get on to it immidiatley.
I agree....this susan person...need to get hold of her.Who is that blonde woman who thinks she is a supermodel and wants to just be on everyones face and in every shot?find her too lol.
MISSION.
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***** 2.31 on the video sorry and you see his hand just at the side then the photo is at 2.34
[youtube:3b916uxw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3b916uxw]
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***** 2.31 on the video sorry and you see his hand just at the side then the photo is at 2.34
[youtube:26qrac19]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMVSur-7MIA&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:26qrac19]
Yea I know but you see the hand for just a split-second. I hate it. And we wouldn't notice unless someone took the effort and included this still where you can see it nice and clear. You get my point? I want to see the full video, dammit. This is like just a taste of it, I'm sure much more was taken.
Let's hunt down this girl what's her name :P
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It's actually at 2.34 Its just out of shot,but the photo does not match the video unless he was standing there with hand up on that rail for a while and the camera man was filming and taking photos on a digital as well..
It does look like a still shot from the video but an edited out part because the 3rd woman on the end is missing off the photo..when she is clearly in shot on the video at 2.34 when you can first see the white hand.So why chop your friend off the end of your picture or tell her to get off it while you pose and have a white handed man in the background instead?
Do you see what I mean...?
Susan Benante is who uploaded that video.Hide and Seek time...
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It's actually at 2.34 Its just out of shot,but the photo does not match the video unless he was standing there with hand up on that rail for a while and the camera man was filming and taking photos on a digital as well..
It does look like a still shot from the video but an edited out part because the 3rd woman on the end is missing off the photo..when she is clearly in shot on the video at 2.34 when you can first see the white hand.So why chop your friend off the end of your picture or tell her to get off it while you pose and have a white handed man in the background instead?
Do you see what I mean...?
Susan Benante is who uploaded that video.Hide and Seek time...
Yeah, Susan B., I just couldn't remember the name that moment...
I know exactly what you mean...that's what I was saying before. The still doesn't match the video :!:
So like I said, either the video was cut and the still is taken from the part which had been cut off, or there are stills (pics) AND a video. Either way, I'm starting to think that we see what we see because we ARE SUPPOSED to see and NOTICE exactly that (that the hands don't match, I guess?).
I like our co-op ;)
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I got her.
She is British,Susan Patricia
I got her facebook and a group she started herself with only her as a member LOL....shame.
Strange her name is Susie since that was MJ's seemingly faveourite name to use in his songs..but anyway...
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100174350026774 that is her group and she clearly thinks she is hysterical/a supermodel
and if you go down to admins she is 'susie knows best'.
Ok...i have more haha
I super searched..found this group she is part of and had commented on
http://is-is.facebook.com/group.php?gid=95211064073&v=wall&viewas=0
Susie Knows-Best I think the best place to start is for the Jackson family to go over and over those so called 100+ hours of tapes which were cleverly edited for the This Is It film...there must be something in there which shows something untoward. I've watched this film a few times and it saddens me to say that he looked frail and si...ck and very unlike the Michael Jackson I saw in concert 20 years before. Of course age sets in, but that's not my point, he was often slurring words when talking. I don't think his true fans, myself included, will ever get over the loss.
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So it would appear she is in on it..
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I got her.
She is British,Susan Patricia
I got her facebook and a group she started herself with only her as a member LOL....shame.
Strange her name is Susie since that was MJ's seemingly faveourite name to use in his songs..but anyway...
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100174350026774 that is her group and she clearly thinks she is hysterical/a supermodel
and if you go down to admins she is 'susie knows best'.
Ok...i have more haha
I super searched..found this group she is part of and had commented on
http://is-is.facebook.com/group.php?gid=95211064073&v=wall&viewas=0
Susie Knows-Best I think the best place to start is for the Jackson family to go over and over those so called 100+ hours of tapes which were cleverly edited for the This Is It film...there must be something in there which shows something untoward. I've watched this film a few times and it saddens me to say that he looked frail and si...ck and very unlike the Michael Jackson I saw in concert 20 years before. Of course age sets in, but that's not my point, he was often slurring words when talking. I don't think his true fans, myself included, will ever get over the loss.
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So it would appear she is in on it..
She did look British to me, all the way. But she seems to be really crazy...from what you can read on that fb page plus her behavior in the video. But how the hell did she get to the afterparty?
It's funny but it did cross my mind that the person taking the video had something to do with this blonde. There was a moment she shot a knowing glance right at the camera (like "are you taking it??)..I'll try to find it and tell you when exactly she did it...
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Ok so it's at these times that she's looking right at the camera, sometimes motioning towards the person to make sure he/she's taking it.
It practically looks as she is directing it!!
0.14 ; 0.48-59; 1.44; 2.08; 2.20 onwards.
I have no doubts that she's directly linked to the person that took the footage. And she must have the full version...
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Totally agree,AND lane has commented under it on YT saying it is me..
set up?i think YAHHHHHH BABY.
I was getting that vibe too she contantly looks at the camera and seems to be acting over the top.I know its vegas but...lol.
I have to go out on some work stuff till tomorrow but keep on with her...I'l catch back up.
Good Work!!xo
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Totally agree,AND lane has commented under it on YT saying it is me..
set up?i think YAHHHHHH BABY.
I was getting that vibe too she contantly looks at the camera and seems to be acting over the top.I know its vegas but...lol.
I have to go out on some work stuff till tomorrow but keep on with her...I'l catch back up.
Good Work!!xo
We're gonna crack this nut! ;)
Oh..I need to get back to my thesis, too. But I'll be on guard, keep you posted!
Till then...good luck, Sin, xo.
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Totally agree,AND lane has commented under it on YT saying it is me..
set up?i think YAHHHHHH BABY.
I was getting that vibe too she contantly looks at the camera and seems to be acting over the top.I know its vegas but...lol.
I have to go out on some work stuff till tomorrow but keep on with her...I'l catch back up.
Good Work!!xo
We're gonna crack this nut! ;)
Oh..I need to get back to my thesis, too. But I'll be on guard, keep you posted!
Till then...good luck, Sin, xo.
I am back and ready to get into it,Susan has no chance.haha
good luck with your thesis doll!xo
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GO GADGET GO LOL XXXX
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Btw, we agree the videos must have been taken by a cellphone, obviously. It's really crap sound and all and it doesn't really have much of a value, you can barely hear what songs they're singing. My ears hurt just trying to figure what song that is. My point - he opened his account two years ago just to upload 5 crap videos?? If he's a fan of JJ I'd expect him to attend all kinds of shows/tributes/concerts whatever and try to get a few shots here and there of JJ and post it on his myspace,youtube whatever account. I don't get it. I suppose the only purpose of him sitting so far and away from the stage is to be able to record it, unseen, although I'm sure someone must have seen him/his shining cellphone screen, right. But given the bad quality of the videos, I really doubt anyone would bother going after him. Not really sure how important this guy is...he might be a distraction of some kind, just to lead us off the way.
I also thought of the video from the afterparty - what struck me as weird is that although the pics are supposed to be stills taken from the video, something doesn't add up. If you look at the pic with this person standing with his back turned on us and the white hand...I didn't see that in the actual video. There is nobody behind those two girls posing for a pic. I mean, there must either be a longer video which we haven't seen and someone took the still from there, or it's photoshopped or someone took the pic independent of the video. Whatever case, it is STRANGE. I think we need to go after the person that uploaded the video. Who took it and why nobody paid any attention to him/her?? Something's off with those hands: gloves/black hand/white hand/...I hope someone's not playing nasty games with us :?
When you mentioned cellphone, it just reminded me of the photos taken of Oprah in Encino, which were obviously done by a cellphone. Could this show and those picture be taken from the same cellphone? Is there any way a person can tell?
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GO GADGET GO LOL XXXX
LMAO omg don't I want one of those spy coats now filled with awesome things to go with my FBI badge.
When you mentioned cellphone, it just reminded me of the photos taken of Oprah in Encino, which were obviously done by a cellphone. Could this show and those picture be taken from the same cellphone? Is there any way a person can tell?
Pretty sure there is,I need to find someone who can do all that hacking info stuff.They would prob need the original copies though.Definitley can get something off the rolling vids though..they were 100% phone taken
However if you read my last comment on that thread, I don't believe those pictures are recent since 1day TMZ said they were told she wasn't showing up and the next...et voila...she is inside having dinner..well they are all bulls*** in my professional opinion or they'd have dated them to prove it.
xo
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Totally agree,AND lane has commented under it on YT saying it is me..
set up?i think YAHHHHHH BABY.
I was getting that vibe too she contantly looks at the camera and seems to be acting over the top.I know its vegas but...lol.
I have to go out on some work stuff till tomorrow but keep on with her...I'l catch back up.
Good Work!!xo
We're gonna crack this nut! ;)
Oh..I need to get back to my thesis, too. But I'll be on guard, keep you posted!
Till then...good luck, Sin, xo.
I am back and ready to get into it,Susan has no chance.haha
good luck with your thesis doll!xo
Duh! Thanks, sweety :) Kinda back, too...any hot news??
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GO GADGET GO LOL XXXX
LMAO omg don't I want one of those spy coats now filled with awesome things to go with my FBI badge.
When you mentioned cellphone, it just reminded me of the photos taken of Oprah in Encino, which were obviously done by a cellphone. Could this show and those picture be taken from the same cellphone? Is there any way a person can tell?
Pretty sure there is,I need to find someone who can do all that hacking info stuff.They would prob need the original copies though.Definitley can get something off the rolling vids though..they were 100% phone taken
However if you read my last comment on that thread, I don't believe those pictures are recent since 1day TMZ said they were told she wasn't showing up and the next...et voila...she is inside having dinner..well they are all bulls*** in my professional opinion or they'd have dated them to prove it.
xo
Problem is, that even if they dated them, can be fake..U never know with today's tech...Ah, well...
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Yup!!
I have a day off so can finally go sift through the youtube comments and things.
I still can't believe there is NO other footage of this to look at and compare..of either event!!
Well,I can but it's blown my mind with the absurdity of it.
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**********UPDATE
I am emailing Susie knows best on facebook to see what she says
Anyone want to put forward a question or point about her video/involvment and I will include it in my message.
Be professional and polite please :)
Well..someone has to have balls to email her don't they..might as well be me :P
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**********UPDATE
I am emailing Susie knows best on facebook to see what she says
Anyone want to put forward a question or point about her video/involvment and I will include it in my message.
Be professional and polite please :)
Well..someone has to have balls to email her don't they..might as well be me :P
This could be interesting! I don't need to tell you what we need to know :P I'm just hoping this crazy person will give a coherent answer. We need to squeeze some info outta her :lol: Pics, tapes...red shirt guy, anything! Let her know we know she was in charge, kind of, when the footage was taken, so she shouldn't try to feed us bs like oh, I have no idea...blah blah. And tell her we'll be discreet :twisted:
Btw are you going to speak for the forum, or just send her a "personal" email?
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**********UPDATE
I am emailing Susie knows best on facebook to see what she says
Anyone want to put forward a question or point about her video/involvment and I will include it in my message.
Be professional and polite please :)
Well..someone has to have balls to email her don't they..might as well be me :P
This could be interesting! I don't need to tell you what we need to know :P I'm just hoping this crazy person will give a coherent answer. We need to squeeze some info outta her :lol: Pics, tapes...red shirt guy, anything! Let her know we know she was in charge, kind of, when the footage was taken, so she shouldn't try to feed us bs like oh, I have no idea...blah blah. And tell her we'll be discreet :twisted:
Btw are you going to speak for the forum, or just send her a "personal" email?
Yeah me too or i'll flip my lid LOL.
We need to ask the right questions to get maximum answers from her.
I will say it in a way that you know we know you know...but tell me more...NOW kind of tone
with a smile obviously
I can do or I can send it personal oh btw..this is being shared with over 100 people.
I don't mind being nominated to do it but I want people's input if that is the case :)
SO GET THINKING
xox
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**********UPDATE
I am emailing Susie knows best on facebook to see what she says
Anyone want to put forward a question or point about her video/involvment and I will include it in my message.
Be professional and polite please :)
Well..someone has to have balls to email her don't they..might as well be me :P
This could be interesting! I don't need to tell you what we need to know :P I'm just hoping this crazy person will give a coherent answer. We need to squeeze some info outta her :lol: Pics, tapes...red shirt guy, anything! Let her know we know she was in charge, kind of, when the footage was taken, so she shouldn't try to feed us bs like oh, I have no idea...blah blah. And tell her we'll be discreet :twisted:
Btw are you going to speak for the forum, or just send her a "personal" email?
Yeah me too or i'll flip my lid LOL.
We need to ask the right questions to get maximum answers from her.
I will say it in a way that you know we know you know...but tell me more...NOW kind of tone
with a smile obviously
I can do or I can send it personal oh btw..this is being shared with over 100 people.
I don't mind being nominated to do it but I want people's input if that is the case :)
SO GET THINKING
xox
Well, after reading her silly Facebook comments I am having a little trouble believing she has anything intelligent to say. She can be US President when I can be Queen of England. Ughh...I apologize - that wasn't nice.
Okay - I am just curious how she got to be invited to that after party and if she had the opportunity to visit with Jermaine. If so, did Michael's name come up? I'd also like to know if she observed that one "impersonator" who was acting nervous behind Jermaine and her thoughts on that.
I'm still getting through all of this information but I think any question you come up with will be excellent. Thanks Sinderella. Blessings :)
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**********UPDATE
I am emailing Susie knows best on facebook to see what she says
Anyone want to put forward a question or point about her video/involvment and I will include it in my message.
Be professional and polite please :)
Well..someone has to have balls to email her don't they..might as well be me :P
This could be interesting! I don't need to tell you what we need to know :P I'm just hoping this crazy person will give a coherent answer. We need to squeeze some info outta her :lol: Pics, tapes...red shirt guy, anything! Let her know we know she was in charge, kind of, when the footage was taken, so she shouldn't try to feed us bs like oh, I have no idea...blah blah. And tell her we'll be discreet :twisted:
Btw are you going to speak for the forum, or just send her a "personal" email?
Yeah me too or i'll flip my lid LOL.
We need to ask the right questions to get maximum answers from her.
I will say it in a way that you know we know you know...but tell me more...NOW kind of tone
with a smile obviously
I can do or I can send it personal oh btw..this is being shared with over 100 people.
I don't mind being nominated to do it but I want people's input if that is the case :)
SO GET THINKING
xox
Well, after reading her silly Facebook comments I am having a little trouble believing she has anything intelligent to say. She can be US President when I can be Queen of England. Ughh...I apologize - that wasn't nice.
Okay - I am just curious how she got to be invited to that after party and if she had the opportunity to visit with Jermaine. If so, did Michael's name come up? I'd also like to know if she observed that one "impersonator" who was acting nervous behind Jermaine and her thoughts on that.
I'm still getting through all of this information but I think any question you come up with will be excellent. Thanks Sinderella. Blessings :)
Do you mean her own facebook group with only her as a fan LOL hahahahaha,sorry i find that really funny.It's pointless...
I am curious to how she is even over there to think she can call American Laws stupid.
I don't think the statue of Liberty would approve of her trashy flashing crown via photoshop either.Gross.
I will take those questions and put them into my own message which when written i will post up on here for everyone to see so if/when she replies it makes sense and we can she what she ignored or answered.
There is a lot since this thread started..I can't believe there is now two EXTRA people that need looking into...ken and susan...I really want her name to be Barbie...and neither seem to be who or what they appear.Especially Ken.Who is non existent...
Thank you for that wonderful input VFTS <3
Everyone else...holla back asap.
xo
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I think I'm the Susan Benante you are all looking for and thanks for all the really crappy comments about me, seeing as none of you know me. Had you been nicer, I might have given you answers. I'll reconsider now, seeing as you don't know the difference between a sense of humor and reality!
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Welcome Susan!
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Sorry..but is this a joke?...seriously though...
So Susan,can I just ask....Did you just happen to come across this website now whilst googling MJ Death Hoax or your own name?...when your name has only just really come up in all of this and is only contained within this thread,the show was over a week ago...and JUST as I was about to message you?
I find that very hard to believe...and I am used to believing the impossible.
You believe Michael is dead as we already saw your comment on the group you joined,you believe he was frail and so what on earth has lead you to a website about finding out if he is alive and full of people who believe he is?
I've watched this film a few times and it saddens me to say that he looked frail and sick and very unlike the Michael Jackson I saw in concert 20 years before. Of course age sets in, but that's not my point, he was often slurring words when talking. I don't think his true fans, myself included, will ever get over the loss
His TRUE fans?
So you also think anyone who believes he is alive and well and not frail at all...is not a true fan?
Charming.
You have also just made a rather rude,unfair and untrue statement about a very large group of people without knowing any of them....myself included.
Are you suggesting that the 20+years I have been a fan..(and before you go there and say you have been one for 30 or 40...I am much younger than you)that I am not a true fan because I see past the media and the hoax and see what was meant to be seen and heard by Michael?
The 'crappy' comments are in relation to your facebook group calling American laws stupid-some of us are American-inc myself and have a right to be offended by your comment and group.
People are entitled to their opinion,quite apparent that that is yours and so you can't really come on here and argue over people talking about you who have never met you when you have done the exact same thing in only regarding another issue.
What sense of humour and reality are you talking about exactly Susan?It is beyond apparent to everyone here something was going on,and everyone on here is entitled to question,reject and comment on a video-and btw congrats on being the only one in the world to have done so- that is full of mistakes and strange behaviour.I know how security detail works and currently have the head of Michael's UK close protection service looking at it to confirm or dismiss.
I work in music and entertainment myself,I have done for years I know how things usually go down and I know when things look out of place.You coming on here calling yourself SB won't change that or my knowledge of how things work in the industry.
I do not for one minute believe you are who you say you are.I doubt a woman of your age and position would come on here-a website dedicated to uncovering the truth- to leave one single snotty comment.ESPECIALLY when you already think he is dead.
I am also entitled to comment on your behaviour in the video since you did upload it onto a public website-youtube and made it public property.Sorry if my comments offended you but as I have shown above..you do that often yourself so we're even.
You have no way to prove who you are,because the information is already out there so to me you are just another name on the forum.I find it virtually impossible to believe that just as I am about to message Susie B....and another thing...it is an extremley polite message that is being written,I am a professional in all aspects of my life so this is no different the questions are fair,straight forward and unintrusive to Susan as a person)-you sign up to stop me in my tracks.
Sorry...but I think not.
At this moment in time you are about as believeable as TMZ...which is not very.
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WAY TO GO SINDERELLA..............................."NEXT FAKE PLEASE" ha ha .xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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WAY TO GO SINDERELLA..............................."NEXT FAKE PLEASE" ha ha .xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
KR will sign up next and then we have everyone here.
Get the party poppers out.
Also,forgot to say this in my previous post-Susan,anything you want to send me in a PM will go unread.I don't appriciate your opinions/questions being solely directed at me either by comment or Private message.It is a topic of conversation on a public forum that includes me+at least 15other people.
As you have pointed out I might have given you answers. I'll reconsider now
you are now reconsidering answering any questions from anyone regarding your video.Any reply I give to your message will go unanswered so why waste my time reading it?
Anything you want to ask or say,you can share it with me and the rest of the members in this thread.I have nothing to hide from anyone on here.
To take the time to sign up,confirm and join a forum full of people who believe Michael is alive and who are making your video famous all around the world by continually viewing and reviewing it,talking about it,commenting on it,linking it all over the net and making it into an actual topic of conversation for that reason... and then in your only comment defend yourself BEFORE your video which is what this thread is about and before stopping the many people commenting on it in their tracks...is beyond my understanding.
The first thing I would do..is set people straight and then move on to myself and any comments made about me since it would be the video that brought me here in the first place and also since I would have the power to do so...y'know having been there and all.
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well we are waiting with baited breath here susan........................x
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Well first of yes it is me. I am 42 years old from England - living in the US - and I have two grown up kids. I really don't have the time to be running around pretending to be someone else when it's clearly my video with me in it and I was alerted to this by people who alert me every day to take offs of my video that they see and now clearly comments. First of all the group you mention on facebook with the only member, I pity your detective work about me if that's the best you could come up with...however it WAS done tongue in cheek and yes did not have appreciation for American laws when a drunk driver with no license and insurance ran into me, ran a red light, fled the scene and virtually broke my neck and clean walked away from close to $200,000 of medical bills alone and all that was required of her was a urine test once a month for a year. So pardon me if I was NOT impressed with the law that day, I did not ask anyone to join. I was a tongue in cheek poke, so I could try to find some humor at a time I wasn't finding any of it any fun. My family on facebook thought it was hilarious and it was meant only as that.
As for me being coherent? I think you have clearly mistaken and underestimated me BY far.
I have no idea what questions you want to ask, and usually I'm a very nice person and pretty much an open book, but I have to say the comments I read above about me which I took very personal I don't think so. But now you know who I am.
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I did actually put a part 2 up on youtube yesterday before I was alerted to this, so fans could further see what happened that night. My camera had been confiscated during the concert, I was in the front row and only returned to me after so I had some usage at the after party. But still only with a cell phone I was allowed and able to take stills as was everyone else. As a consequence of being alerted to my name thrown out there, I made the decision to take both videos off the web last night.
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Well if you don't believe for one second who I say I am, I will just point out that you did NOT send me a message on facebook today and if you do, you will get the same response now. I'm all open for discussion, but quite frankly I don't like the tone of this particular thread. I don't care WHO looks at the video, it was put out there for fans to hopefully enjoy. Obviously I was mistaken. And I have taken it down because I'm not having my name thrown out there like some lunatic, when clearly you can see I'm at a party.
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Hi Susan, you are very welcome here and thank you for posting. I understand from the thread that you were able to upload a video to Youtube showing the Jermaine Jackson After Party. You looked like you were having a ball - it must have been great to be there and get the photos and footage. I am also from the UK, I hope you are enjoying living in the US - Peace and L.O.V.E to you. :)
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I had the time of my life. I'm sorry if I was enjoying myself TOO much, I guess after a couple of drinks, a great atmosphere, good company and one of my idols being there, as well as having met Tito Jackson that night, I was in a good mood. I know the video is being used by lots of different people including people in Entertainment. I had no problem with this. I wanted as many fans as possible who did not have the opportunity to either attend the concert as I had to fly thousands of miles to Vegas to get there myself, to see it. Or for those who didn't get the opportunity to attend the after party. I receive comments and messages every day from people saying they love it and now all of a sudden I'm being disparaged? I don't get it. As for the comment of the person who quoted me as saying "true fans", for the record I meant fans who didn't suddenly appear the day after June 25 2009, but for those like me who had been there all along. I hope that clears that up.
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I will fully reply in detail in my usual way to this thread and your comments Susan,when I am back from the set I am working on tomorrow.
Regards,
Sinderella.
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hi there susan,can i ask a couple of questions please.....
1. why is there no other footage of the event except yours...????
2. why have you put a man with his back to us in your still shot...???
thankyou susan
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Hi, Susan.
It's really surprising to see you here actually. As I'm sure you've gone thru the whole thread and read our discussion about contacting you on fb, asking about the videos and stills you uploaded on youtube. You should understand that for us it's rather suspicious that you showed up RIGHT before we send the message. Also considering your previous comments, we assumed that you were not a beLIEver. Now that leaves us with a couple questions. How do we know you are really Susan and not someone else pretending to be Susan? This forum is public and anyone can read everything that's being said here. We've had too many fake identities, trolls, disturbed people and all that coming to our forum trying to pull our legs. So you should understand we cannot just believe everything a person says, if it's not backed-up by solid evidence. Do you think you can provide that? Like maybe a still or a fraction of the 2nd video you mentioned?
I'm not going to go thru the American laws/fb pic/whatever topic, I think Sind explained why to some people your comments might have been perceived as offensive or insulting. To an outside person your fb group really seemed ridiculous, to say the least. You cannot blame us for not knowing the background story, obviously.
So if you are really interested in what we are doing here and want to share your info, why don't you just do it by proving your identity and giving us some hard evidence?
Also, as Sind pointed out, do it in the open space, on the forum, so everyone can comment.
Thanks, Ch.
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Well she seems to know my facebook name after some research so why don't you send me a private message there with a code word or phrase and I will repeat it back here and then that way you will know.
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YOU find it suspicious? How do you think I FEEL after being contacted by hundreds and hundreds of people out of nowhere questioning me left right and center for something I thought would just make other people happy? I don't know why I'm the only one with a video. It was a very small gathering inside. Most of the crowd was outside. It was pandemonium outside of there. Like I said, because the footage I posted was very short and for purposes of people who were with me there that night and for my family back home, I edited it to make it short. I placed a longer piece of footage online last night and then got overwhelmed with people messaging me again and over the last few days have been linked to various sites mentioning my name, my video and last night...THIS. I find it too much to be honest. I'm just clearing up basic points that's all.
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You shouldn't be surprised that people are contacting you about the video. This is 2010 and if you upload something on YT and this something happens to be MJ related...well, what else to expect? Seriously...
But you haven't answered my Qs. Why did you come here? Just to clear your name? Or you want to share info? If you have something to say just do it. "Cause that's how we do it here.
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Overall you sound like a nice genuine person, just from reading your posts, willing to fight anyone who puts out a fighting stance which is understandable. I feel sorry that you had that unfortunate accident and legal troubles. I'm happy you were at the JJ after party. But there is just something VERY strange about you wondering why you were the only one who uploaded a video of the event, and it seems EXTREMELY coindidenctal you finding this site, when it sounds like you've been unundated with messages from fans galore about this site, like RIGHT after we posted about you. We speciallize in studying about coincidences at this forum. But just assuming you are who you say you are, my question is could you tell us about the MJ impersonators who were there. Did you meet any of them and talk to them, particularily the one with the red shirt and black jacket? Why are you trying to make it difficult for us by saying look in your private facebook for your response for a proof? If you are already here could you kindly just put a short clip of your second video? I think that would sufficiently prove to everyone here that you are that person. We would really appreciate it and thank you in advance. And also even though I have only fallen in love with Michael after his "death" I consider myself just as "true" as any friend from a longer period. Please don't underestimate MJ's influence on people out there that you don't really know. We here only question everything and everybody because of our love and appreciation for MJ, and if you are authentic we want to show you much respect. :)
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Hi Susan,
Please forgive me if I have offended you. If you look at my history on this forum you will see that it's not my nature to be offensive.
I'm usually the peacemaker but your comments about American laws are equivalent to coming into my home for a meal and then attacking the way the food is prepared when you did nothing constructive to add to the preparation or cost of the meal. I understand your frustration but I am sure your country is not free of problems either. If you believe a non-American has the right to be president of America, then I suggest you check other countries and tell me how many would allow you to run for their government being a non-citizen? Humor or not, your comments weren't funny. Enough said. I understand you only intended that to be read by close friends/family.
With that, your life must be like a superstar now that hundreds and hundreds are emailing you with questions. I guess on some levels you know now how celebrities (like the Jacksons) must feel to have their privacy invaded and words twisted. We appreciate that you've taken time out of your busy life to come on here in order to set us straight. But so far you have not done that. There is a saying that where there is no smoke the fire will go out. All you have managed to do is fan the smoke into a flame. So, again, please forgive us for wanting proof.
And I am glad that you made sure to put your full name as to leave no doubt as to who you are. Thanks, I guess.
It's obvious if you live in Florida that you traveled a great distance in order to see Jermaine in Las Vegas. It must have taken a lot of your time and energy to prepare. Did you happen to see Michael's children?
I'll end by asking what you think makes a "true fan". One who has spent years drooling over pictures, screaming in a crowd at a concert, professing your love and devotion, buying all of the albums, posters, and memorabilia, etc? Is a true fan someone who has loved Michael for 40 years or 4 hours? I think Michael would love both of these fans the same.
If you are a "true fan" can I ask what you've done to fight for Michael's vindication over the past years? What have you done since June 2005 to stop the lies and abuse that Michael and his family have endured? How much money have you donated towards a worthy cause in Michael's behalf? You see it doesn't matter how long a person has followed Michael, what matters is what are they doing to help. So, I ask, what are you doing to help? You could be using your Facebook to help in the vindication of Michael instead of posting silly comments - and I encourage you to do so. We "less than true" fans of Michael have spent nearly every day and many, many, hours of our free time (and not so free time) searching endlessly for the truth. We have committed ourselves to righting a wrong that should never have happened to begin with. We have devoted hours to praying for the family. We have spent money donating to worthy causes that Michael would have supported. We are correcting the media when they publish incorrect statements about Michael or the Jacksons. And we defend them to everyone we meet. We've combed hundreds of documents in search of facts including the autopsy report, ambulance report, FBI files, wills, etc. Us "non-fans" probably know so much more about Michael and his family than you will ever know. So, what makes a true fan?
If you are legit I would like to see something posted on your Facebook addressing this. Otherwise, I'm sorry to say, I won't believe you are really Susan and my time is better spent on searching for the truth. I hope you feel better after your accident. Thanks.
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How do you know I do not help? How do you know that I don't do some kind of part? How do you think I got into that party? Do you think maybe I knew somebody? Does it enter your head that maybe I did do something positive and that was my end result? I am more than happy to post a short clip of my other footage if you walk me through the steps. I will not divulge who I know, what I do, what I did, but just for proof I am happy to give a few seconds of my other footage because I really am tired of all this. My feelings have been incredibly hurt and not at any stage did I ever say England was better than America or that we didn't have problems. But I DO think it's a serious problem when I see kids going to court for traffic tickets and being fined hundreds of dollars and a girl who nearly killed me walked off scot free and not a dime out of her pocket. So maybe, just in my small way, maybe I am trying to highlight OTHER problems outside of Jackson issues because being 42 years old and English, I come from a different time and place, so I do not understand this. It's a huge culture shock, if that offends someone then oh well, but I'm sorry I do NOT see the justice.
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No I did not see Michael's children, other people have told me that they did, I do not see how they saw them because I sat in the row directly behind the Jackson family and as you probably saw in my video I had a picture to prove that. Michael's kids did not turn up to the after party and neither did Mr or Mrs Jackson or Tito and Sonia. However Autumn Jackson did and I had a blast with her, she's a very very nice and humble person as well as incredibly beautiful. There was a professional photo shoot done on the night and I was in that. I do remember the guy in the red shirt of course I do. I was standing beside him for quite a long time and he has contacted me via youtube to say what his name is and you are all free to view my comments. I came to this board because people, like I say, have been bombarding me in the hundreds with questions and demanding answers. I did not speak to the guy in the red shirt. Someone else did that I know very very well and according to them he said he came from Australia, however it was very loud in there and he could have misheard. Now I read it's Aruba. You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page. I saw him in the concert and being probably amongst the first 10 people to arrive inside the concert and having front row seats, I did notice a lot of clicking of cameras when the Michael Jackson impersonators came in. I saw all of them up close in the concert and also at the after party as they seemed to be part of an entourage. None of them stuck out to me, apart from the guy in the red shirt. I have said and I quote again, as I seem to have been quoted in various other sources, that my stomach was churning over and over when I was next to him. Other than that, I don't know what you want me to say.
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Hello Susan. Nice to have you here :)
I appreciate your honest answers.
Just a question. Did you feel/ see anything odd at any time during the concert or after party?. With odd I refer to abnormal or unusual.
Thanks.
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You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page.
Hi Susan,
Do you mind posting a link to your youtube account?
To answer your earlier question.....To post a video, try these steps....click on post reply, click on "upload attachment" (2nd gray tab) click on browse, then add file. I believe it has to be under a certain size. (not sure what size) Hopefully this works.
Otherwise...you can can copy and paste the url from youtube and click on the youtube category in the post reply page and [YouTube][/YouTube] will appear. Now paste the url between the youtube words.
[YouTube]paste url here[/YouTube]
Hopefully this makes sense.
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There were a lot of odd things that night. I really don't want to say because I have an acquaintance of mine who is a close friend of one of the Jacksons and I am very loyal in not divulging information. The concert started very late. There were a lot of discrepancies. My camera was confiscated and security was on me like white on rice for most of the night. I was very fortunate that Tito and Jermaine were entirely gracious throughout by allowing me my moments with them. Jermaine made time to meet as many people in the party as humanly possible, and we were given a lot of let's say 'miscommunication'. I do not say that any of that was down to the Jackson family but the security was so tight it was almost unbearable. I did want to speak to the guy in the red shirt and it took a couple of drinks before I was able to loosen up but I wasn't quite at that stage where I could approach him. Of course something did not sit right with me as far as he was concerned, I was standing about a foot away from him a lot of the time as I am sure future photoshoots will show. There is going to be a pay per view for the concert as far as I am aware and the Jackson impersonators including the guy you are talking about were taking photo shoots. Did I wonder? Well of course I did and then at the same time I felt incredibly guilty at being handed such a huge opportunity to think maybe it WAS him. It was a great night, I could not flaw any of the Jackson family they are extremely beautiful and wonderful in person and if you tell me how, I will upload a small excerpt to a video and after that I am never going to show any of my videos again. This has been way over my head.
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You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page.
Hi Susan,
Do you mind posting a link to your youtube account?
To answer your earlier question.....To post a video, try these steps....click on post reply, click on "upload attachment" (2nd gray tab) click on browse, then add file. I believe it has to be under a certain size. (not sure what size) Hopefully this works.
Otherwise...you can can copy and paste the url from youtube and click on the youtube category in the post reply page and [YouTube][/YouTube] will appear. Now paste the url between the youtube words.
[YouTube]paste url here[/YouTube]
Hopefully this makes sense.
Like I told you, things got really out of hand last night for me and I took down all of my videos I have hundreds of little excerpts of the night but I am happy to put one back up for a very short time and then I am going to remove it for good
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You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page.
Hi Susan,
Do you mind posting a link to your youtube account?
To answer your earlier question.....To post a video, try these steps....click on post reply, click on "upload attachment" (2nd gray tab) click on browse, then add file. I believe it has to be under a certain size. (not sure what size) Hopefully this works.
Otherwise...you can can copy and paste the url from youtube and click on the youtube category in the post reply page and [YouTube][/YouTube] will appear. Now paste the url between the youtube words.
[YouTube]paste url here[/YouTube]
Hopefully this makes sense.
Like I told you, things got really out of hand last night for me and I took down all of my videos I have hundreds of little excerpts of the night but I am happy to put one back up for a very short time and then I am going to remove it for good
Thank you for sharing some of your experiences from that night. How exciting that must have been!
Up above you said "You are free to read how I felt about that also on my youtube page." I am wondering how we are supposed to read your comments on your youtube page without a link? Or have you deleted your account?
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Ok I have no idea what has happened here but my YouTube account has been completely hacked and removed. I only removed the videos not the account, so I have had to make a new account. The video will show some of my earlier excerpts and some new ones but YouTube is not allowing me on under my former account and I don't know why so bear with me and you guys can see it in a few minutes, then I am going to remove the video for good. Fair enough?
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Here is a link to one of my videos. I'm taking it down after a few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo)
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Here is a link to one of my videos. I'm taking it down after a few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo)
Thank you for sharing. It looks like you had a great time. What an awesome opportunity!
Did you have someone (a friend?) record this footage with your cell phone? Or were you given this footage as part of the backstage party gifts? (I don't know what you would call it.) I see you are in the footage, so I am wondering who taped it? Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions.
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Thank you very much Susan for posting your video, I for one enjoyed it very much. I expect you will never forget the evening. Wonderful to have such close contact with Jermaine and I saw Tito there as well. I hope you will continue to stay on the forum, as I said before you are welcome here
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Here is a link to one of my videos. I'm taking it down after a few minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvloMa_XzNo)
Thank you for sharing. It looks like you had a great time. What an awesome opportunity!
Did you have someone (a friend?) record this footage with your cell phone? Or were you given this footage as part of the backstage party gifts? (I don't know what you would call it.) I see you are in the footage, so I am wondering who taped it? Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions.
I am wondering how you got so much footage because you said your camera got confiscated. At what parts of the evening did they take your camera, because you have shots from the concert and footage from the after party. Or was none of this footage from your camera? Thank you again for taking the time to answer questions.
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My camera battery got removed at the start of the concert even though I had been given prior permission to take it. Pictures during the concert were taken via a cellphone with security guards watching me heavily making sure I had no videos of the actual concert. I was given back the battery and when I was in the after party I was then able to take video footage myself and most of it by someone else. This all belongs to me and I am the only one who has it. I hope that answers your questions. Like I said I wanted those who were with me that night and got lost in the excitement to have a recording of it and to share with other fans, this has blown way out of proportion and some of the emails and messages I get! So if that's just a LITTLE of what the Jacksons have to go through in their every day life, I am glad it's not me. I hope I have answered your questions, I have removed the video but for those who saw it, I think I have proved beyond doubt who I am.
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My camera battery got removed at the start of the concert even though I had been given prior permission to take it. Pictures during the concert were taken via a cellphone with security guards watching me heavily making sure I had no videos of the actual concert. I was given back the battery and when I was in the after party I was then able to take video footage myself and most of it by someone else. This all belongs to me and I am the only one who has it. I hope that answers your questions. Like I said I wanted those who were with me that night and got lost in the excitement to have a recording of it and to share with other fans, this has blown way out of proportion and some of the emails and messages I get! So if that's just a LITTLE of what the Jacksons have to go through in their every day life, I am glad it's not me. I hope I have answered your questions, I have removed the video but for those who saw it, I think I have proved beyond doubt who I am.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I did view the video and enjoyed it. I agree that I would not want my life under a microscope. I quite enjoy my everyday, ordinary life! Take Care!
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My camera battery got removed at the start of the concert even though I had been given prior permission to take it. Pictures during the concert were taken via a cellphone with security guards watching me heavily making sure I had no videos of the actual concert. I was given back the battery and when I was in the after party I was then able to take video footage myself and most of it by someone else. This all belongs to me and I am the only one who has it. I hope that answers your questions. Like I said I wanted those who were with me that night and got lost in the excitement to have a recording of it and to share with other fans, this has blown way out of proportion and some of the emails and messages I get! So if that's just a LITTLE of what the Jacksons have to go through in their every day life, I am glad it's not me. I hope I have answered your questions, I have removed the video but for those who saw it, I think I have proved beyond doubt who I am.
Thank you for taking the time to post the video. I viewed it as well. I respect the fact that have come back to answer questions and I apologize for my abrasiveness towards you.
It did appear as though security was especially close to Jermaine at all times which makes me wonder if there have been threats? Jermaine and his wife both seem to be looking around a lot - maybe just to see who all was there?
I wonder where the children were - one would think that they'd be with the rest of the family during the performance. Very interesting.
I wonder what the purpose of the impersonators being there were for. Were they part of the performance? Also, you intimate that you believe Michael could be alive. Can you say if this was something you believed before the performance/after party or after witnessing some of the strange events?
Thank you, again, for coming back to give us that view. I appreciate that for once someone is who they claim to be. Thanks.
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No the impersonators were not part of the performance.
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ok guys well with all due respect, this is a position I did not expect nor want to be in when I posted my videos. I just got overwhelmed by all of the attention - a lot was nice - some not so nice and wanted to set it straight. So I will be leaving the forum now and wish you guys well with whatever endeavors you seek.
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ok guys well with all due respect, this is a position I did not expect nor want to be in when I posted my videos. I just got overwhelmed by all of the attention - a lot was nice - some not so nice and wanted to set it straight. So I will be leaving the forum now and wish you guys well with whatever endeavors you seek.
Take care!
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Wowsers, interesting drama or what!
by susanbenante
YOU find it suspicious? How do you think I FEEL after being contacted by hundreds and hundreds of people out of nowhere questioning me left right and center for something I thought would just make other people happy? I don't know why I'm the only one with a video. It was a very small gathering inside. Most of the crowd was outside. It was pandemonium outside of there. Like I said, because the footage I posted was very short and for purposes of people who were with me there that night and for my family back home, I edited it to make it short. I placed a longer piece of footage online last night and then got overwhelmed with people messaging me again and over the last few days have been linked to various sites mentioning my name, my video and last night...THIS. I find it too much to be honest. I'm just clearing up basic points that's all.
How do you know I do not help? How do you know that I don't do some kind of part? How do you think I got into that party? Do you think maybe I knew somebody? Does it enter your head that maybe I did do something positive and that was my end result? I am more than happy to post a short clip of my other footage if you walk me through the steps. I will not divulge who I know, what I do, what I did, but just for proof I am happy to give a few seconds of my other footage because I really am tired of all this. My feelings have been incredibly hurt and not at any stage did I ever say England was better than America or that we didn't have problems. But I DO think it's a serious problem when I see kids going to court for traffic tickets and being fined hundreds of dollars and a girl who nearly killed me walked off scot free and not a dime out of her pocket. So maybe, just in my small way, maybe I am trying to highlight OTHER problems outside of Jackson issues because being 42 years old and English, I come from a different time and place, so I do not understand this. It's a huge culture shock, if that offends someone then oh well, but I'm sorry I do NOT see the justice.
No I did not see Michael's children, other people have told me that they did, I do not see how they saw them because I sat in the row directly behind the Jackson family and as you probably saw in my video I had a picture to prove that. Michael's kids did not turn up to the after party and neither did Mr or Mrs Jackson or Tito and Sonia. However Autumn Jackson did and I had a blast with her, she's a very very nice and humble person as well as incredibly beautiful. There was a professional photo shoot done on the night and I was in that. I do remember the guy in the red shirt of course I do. I was standing beside him for quite a long time and he has contacted me via youtube to say what his name is and you are all free to view my comments. I came to this board because people, like I say, have been bombarding me in the hundreds with questions and demanding answers. I did not speak to the guy in the red shirt. Someone else did that I know very very well and according to them he said he came from Australia, however it was very loud in there and he could have misheard. Now I read it's Aruba. You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page. I saw him in the concert and being probably amongst the first 10 people to arrive inside the concert and having front row seats, I did notice a lot of clicking of cameras when the Michael Jackson impersonators came in. I saw all of them up close in the concert and also at the after party as they seemed to be part of an entourage. None of them stuck out to me, apart from the guy in the red shirt. I have said and I quote again, as I seem to have been quoted in various other sources, that my stomach was churning over and over when I was next to him. Other than that, I don't know what you want me to say.
There were a lot of odd things that night. I really don't want to say because I have an acquaintance of mine who is a close friend of one of the Jacksons and I am very loyal in not divulging information. The concert started very late. There were a lot of discrepancies. My camera was confiscated and security was on me like white on rice for most of the night. I was very fortunate that Tito and Jermaine were entirely gracious throughout by allowing me my moments with them. Jermaine made time to meet as many people in the party as humanly possible, and we were given a lot of let's say 'miscommunication'. I do not say that any of that was down to the Jackson family but the security was so tight it was almost unbearable. I did want to speak to the guy in the red shirt and it took a couple of drinks before I was able to loosen up but I wasn't quite at that stage where I could approach him. Of course something did not sit right with me as far as he was concerned, I was standing about a foot away from him a lot of the time as I am sure future photoshoots will show. There is going to be a pay per view for the concert as far as I am aware and the Jackson impersonators including the guy you are talking about were taking photo shoots. Did I wonder? Well of course I did and then at the same time I felt incredibly guilty at being handed such a huge opportunity to think maybe it WAS him. It was a great night, I could not flaw any of the Jackson family they are extremely beautiful and wonderful in person and if you tell me how, I will upload a small excerpt to a video and after that I am never going to show any of my videos again. This has been way over my head.
Like I told you, things got really out of hand last night for me and I took down all of my videos I have hundreds of little excerpts of the night but I am happy to put one back up for a very short time and then I am going to remove it for good
Ok I have no idea what has happened here but my YouTube account has been completely hacked and removed. I only removed the videos not the account, so I have had to make a new account. The video will show some of my earlier excerpts and some new ones but YouTube is not allowing me on under my former account and I don't know why so bear with me and you guys can see it in a few minutes, then I am going to remove the video for good. Fair enough?
My camera battery got removed at the start of the concert even though I had been given prior permission to take it. Pictures during the concert were taken via a cellphone with security guards watching me heavily making sure I had no videos of the actual concert. I was given back the battery and when I was in the after party I was then able to take video footage myself and most of it by someone else. This all belongs to me and I am the only one who has it. I hope that answers your questions. Like I said I wanted those who were with me that night and got lost in the excitement to have a recording of it and to share with other fans, this has blown way out of proportion and some of the emails and messages I get! So if that's just a LITTLE of what the Jacksons have to go through in their every day life, I am glad it's not me. I hope I have answered your questions, I have removed the video but for those who saw it, I think I have proved beyond doubt who I am.
No the impersonators were not part of the performance.
k guys well with all due respect, this is a position I did not expect nor want to be in when I posted my videos. I just got overwhelmed by all of the attention - a lot was nice - some not so nice and wanted to set it straight. So I will be leaving the forum now and wish you guys well with whatever endeavors you seek.
She must be a believer because she says her stomache was churning a lot when standing next to the impersonator with the red shirt, and she thought maybe it ''WAS" him (MJ). The impersonators were not part of the show, and so they had no real purpose other than entertainment, reminding people of Michael, and what we are speculating that is--to hide MJ impersonating himself.
Her having a close friend who is a friend of the Jacksons, is I guess, how she got such a good seat, right behind the Jacksons, and a ticket to the small inside group in the after party, when there were loud massive crowds outside. Was she selected by them for some purpose? She may be telling us the truth, but I also believe she is not telling us everything. She said she was loyal in not divulging information, what could she have divulged? What kind of discrepancies did she see? Very strange. Why does she have to get so upset that she removes everything, almost seems like clues given quickly and then gone (makes for a challenge for us).
I can understand security being tight because of MJ's kids being there, but she didn't see the kids where she was, and the security can't have been so tight for Jermaine, or maybe I'm just not aware of him having crazy fan problems like MJ. Was security tight because MJ WAS there??
There's lots here (and her site) to examine more closely. I know you guys are going to get to the bottom of this!! 8-)
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So MJ's 'back'...............hiding in plain sight....................hoax within a hoax............?
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Wowsers, interesting drama or what!
by susanbenante
YOU find it suspicious? How do you think I FEEL after being contacted by hundreds and hundreds of people out of nowhere questioning me left right and center for something I thought would just make other people happy? I don't know why I'm the only one with a video. It was a very small gathering inside. Most of the crowd was outside. It was pandemonium outside of there. Like I said, because the footage I posted was very short and for purposes of people who were with me there that night and for my family back home, I edited it to make it short. I placed a longer piece of footage online last night and then got overwhelmed with people messaging me again and over the last few days have been linked to various sites mentioning my name, my video and last night...THIS. I find it too much to be honest. I'm just clearing up basic points that's all.
How do you know I do not help? How do you know that I don't do some kind of part? How do you think I got into that party? Do you think maybe I knew somebody? Does it enter your head that maybe I did do something positive and that was my end result? I am more than happy to post a short clip of my other footage if you walk me through the steps. I will not divulge who I know, what I do, what I did, but just for proof I am happy to give a few seconds of my other footage because I really am tired of all this. My feelings have been incredibly hurt and not at any stage did I ever say England was better than America or that we didn't have problems. But I DO think it's a serious problem when I see kids going to court for traffic tickets and being fined hundreds of dollars and a girl who nearly killed me walked off scot free and not a dime out of her pocket. So maybe, just in my small way, maybe I am trying to highlight OTHER problems outside of Jackson issues because being 42 years old and English, I come from a different time and place, so I do not understand this. It's a huge culture shock, if that offends someone then oh well, but I'm sorry I do NOT see the justice.
No I did not see Michael's children, other people have told me that they did, I do not see how they saw them because I sat in the row directly behind the Jackson family and as you probably saw in my video I had a picture to prove that. Michael's kids did not turn up to the after party and neither did Mr or Mrs Jackson or Tito and Sonia. However Autumn Jackson did and I had a blast with her, she's a very very nice and humble person as well as incredibly beautiful. There was a professional photo shoot done on the night and I was in that. I do remember the guy in the red shirt of course I do. I was standing beside him for quite a long time and he has contacted me via youtube to say what his name is and you are all free to view my comments. I came to this board because people, like I say, have been bombarding me in the hundreds with questions and demanding answers. I did not speak to the guy in the red shirt. Someone else did that I know very very well and according to them he said he came from Australia, however it was very loud in there and he could have misheard. Now I read it's Aruba. You are free to read how I felt about that also on my YouTube page. I saw him in the concert and being probably amongst the first 10 people to arrive inside the concert and having front row seats, I did notice a lot of clicking of cameras when the Michael Jackson impersonators came in. I saw all of them up close in the concert and also at the after party as they seemed to be part of an entourage. None of them stuck out to me, apart from the guy in the red shirt. I have said and I quote again, as I seem to have been quoted in various other sources, that my stomach was churning over and over when I was next to him. Other than that, I don't know what you want me to say.
There were a lot of odd things that night. I really don't want to say because I have an acquaintance of mine who is a close friend of one of the Jacksons and I am very loyal in not divulging information. The concert started very late. There were a lot of discrepancies. My camera was confiscated and security was on me like white on rice for most of the night. I was very fortunate that Tito and Jermaine were entirely gracious throughout by allowing me my moments with them. Jermaine made time to meet as many people in the party as humanly possible, and we were given a lot of let's say 'miscommunication'. I do not say that any of that was down to the Jackson family but the security was so tight it was almost unbearable. I did want to speak to the guy in the red shirt and it took a couple of drinks before I was able to loosen up but I wasn't quite at that stage where I could approach him. Of course something did not sit right with me as far as he was concerned, I was standing about a foot away from him a lot of the time as I am sure future photoshoots will show. There is going to be a pay per view for the concert as far as I am aware and the Jackson impersonators including the guy you are talking about were taking photo shoots. Did I wonder? Well of course I did and then at the same time I felt incredibly guilty at being handed such a huge opportunity to think maybe it WAS him. It was a great night, I could not flaw any of the Jackson family they are extremely beautiful and wonderful in person and if you tell me how, I will upload a small excerpt to a video and after that I am never going to show any of my videos again. This has been way over my head.
Like I told you, things got really out of hand last night for me and I took down all of my videos I have hundreds of little excerpts of the night but I am happy to put one back up for a very short time and then I am going to remove it for good
Ok I have no idea what has happened here but my YouTube account has been completely hacked and removed. I only removed the videos not the account, so I have had to make a new account. The video will show some of my earlier excerpts and some new ones but YouTube is not allowing me on under my former account and I don't know why so bear with me and you guys can see it in a few minutes, then I am going to remove the video for good. Fair enough?
My camera battery got removed at the start of the concert even though I had been given prior permission to take it. Pictures during the concert were taken via a cellphone with security guards watching me heavily making sure I had no videos of the actual concert. I was given back the battery and when I was in the after party I was then able to take video footage myself and most of it by someone else. This all belongs to me and I am the only one who has it. I hope that answers your questions. Like I said I wanted those who were with me that night and got lost in the excitement to have a recording of it and to share with other fans, this has blown way out of proportion and some of the emails and messages I get! So if that's just a LITTLE of what the Jacksons have to go through in their every day life, I am glad it's not me. I hope I have answered your questions, I have removed the video but for those who saw it, I think I have proved beyond doubt who I am.
No the impersonators were not part of the performance.
k guys well with all due respect, this is a position I did not expect nor want to be in when I posted my videos. I just got overwhelmed by all of the attention - a lot was nice - some not so nice and wanted to set it straight. So I will be leaving the forum now and wish you guys well with whatever endeavors you seek.
She must be a believer because she says her stomache was churning a lot when standing next to the impersonator with the red shirt, and she thought maybe it ''WAS" him (MJ). The impersonators were not part of the show, and so they had no real purpose other than entertainment, reminding people of Michael, and what we are speculating that is--to hide MJ impersonating himself.
Her having a close friend who is a friend of the Jacksons, is I guess, how she got such a good seat, right behind the Jacksons, and a ticket to the small inside group in the after party, when there were loud massive crowds outside. Was she selected by them for some purpose? She may be telling us the truth, but I also believe she is not telling us everything. She said she was loyal in not divulging information, what could she have divulged? What kind of discrepancies did she see? Very strange. Why does she have to get so upset that she removes everything, almost seems like clues given quickly and then gone (makes for a challenge for us).
I can understand security being tight because of MJ's kids being there, but she didn't see the kids where she was, and the security can't have been so tight for Jermaine, or maybe I'm just not aware of him having crazy fan problems like MJ. Was security tight because MJ WAS there??
There's lots here (and her site) to examine more closely. I know you guys are going to get to the bottom of this!! 8-)
This is getting weirder and weirder...My guess is we are onto something with the red shirt guy and Susan basically confirmed it...Well but she implied that she knows something more that she, unforunately, can't share with us for confidentiality reasons. Now what could that possibly be...??
Btw I don't believe she won't be coming back to the forum. I think she'll want to linger around and see how we proceed with the investigation ;) I bet it's exciting to know something (or pretend to know something??) that so many people want to know...no one could resist the temptation to build the tension, huh?
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well we will get there anyways.....lol....and when we have the proof we need.....WOW ...xxxx
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I noticed Susan back here reading a few minutes ago.
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@Susan, thanks for your reply :)
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I came onto the forum because it said I had a personal message and not using it long I went to the forum and then realized it was a PM. That's why you saw me here. Please do not misconstrue my words or twist them. I did not say that I thought there was any conspiracy with regard to the guy in the red shirt, I merely suggested that he's the best impersonator I've ever seen in my life, so much so that I actually felt quite sick that's all. Ok I gotta go.
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ENOUGH SAID X
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I am finding this rather strange!
I mean , so she's 'proven' who she is, she was at the after party, standing next to the dude who we all thought looked like Michael Jackson and she thought it could be him?? It can't be that other guy in the red shirt then who looks nothing like Michael..even my mother who couldn't care less about MJ could tell you it's not him...
The plot thickens..
By the way, what is her youtube account?
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Susan benante
None of them stuck out to me, apart from the guy in the red shirt. I have said and I quote again, as I seem to have been quoted in various other sources, that my stomach was churning over and over when I was next to him....
the Jackson impersonators including the guy you are talking about were taking photo shoots. Did I wonder? Well of course I did and then at the same time I felt incredibly guilty at being handed such a huge opportunity to think maybe it WAS him.
I don't know how I twisted your words.
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well we will get there anyways.... ...xxxx
Of course we will LF some of us believe no matter what and do put effort into validating things
I was only gone 24hrs...lol.
Wish I could say I was impressed but I'm not.
I think it would be better if I hold my tongue and put my time into the investigation for Michael's sake instead but then...I wouldn't be being myself...and as life has taught me that is something you should always be.
People swap and change sides on here with a blow of the wind.When presented with ONE piece of information they swing one way....as soon as another comes along...they blow the other.
Yes,we were looking for confirmation but I am not about to believe a story that I see holes in and until I/we find another atendee to validate I stick to my initial thoughts on the subject.
If you want reasons I will happily supply them to you.
Regarding this She must be a believer
No.
I have nothing against you Susan.Really.There is no malice or nasty tone intented to what I say. At all.I am not a mean or rude person but I am honest,real and value my ability to have an opinion and freedom of speech.
You are a person on earth,as am I and we are linked by this thread..that is it.I am not investigating you.I had to google you to find a way to contact you,I'm sure that is quite normal in 2010 as most people use facebook before email.
No one on here called you a lunatic,just need to clear that up.
No one said you were not entitled to have a good time at a party.It's a party...we're stoked you had a ball.
You were not dispurged, they were personal opinions based on your actions you made public property when you uploaded the video on to youtube/put your fbgroup up which I'm sure has also been deleted by now.
So,now i've said that.... back to the ...oh wait...it's gone.
You're all thanking someone for coming on here and answering...nothing much at all,sharing her experience with the forum... when you should be annoyed as f*&@ that now the only video of the event this forum was using to get evidence and clues from had been removed...yeah...really helpful that (Y)
To believe uploading the only video evidence of that party would not lead to thousands of questions and messages from people on both sides and all around the world is beyond my comprehension.I get questions about it and it's not even my video...
You may not like the tone of this thread but tbh I don't like that you have joined and come on here giving out like the entire thread has been named after you and we're all talking about you,giving you a hard time,slagging you off and using you as a topic of conversation.
I also don't like that you are using that as part of the reason you removed your footage.
The members of this forum have partly been responsible for your video becoming famous, and being seen globally by thousands of people who I'm sure were very grateful to you for it.
Do you think if there had of been another version from someone else for them to compare and analyse you would of ended up here?Your video was important not just for MJ fans,believers,non believers but for Jermaine fans..which you know because you have said it here yourself.So I really do question your true reasons for removing it.
I find it strange that you were informed of this particular forum when I know 100% for a FACT your video and so on are also on the other main hoax forum,it is in blogs,other websites and so...why only join this forum?Did you join the other one and tell them who you are and why the video has gone?I think your 'informer' needs to do better research.
You have come on,told your story,and created an opportunity for all attention to be solely directed at you by doing so...when you come across like thats the last thing in the world you want??
This entire thread has become about you...when that is what you came on to stop.
We have all seen your video,why remove it?If you are having issues with other entertainment people and media outlets I suggest you speak to them about crediting you and paying you if they intend to post it out further.I agree that is out of order since it is your personal footage.
I am not going to comment on anything you have said about your experience,as I said above,I see holes in it.That is my own personal decision and has nothing to do with you as a person or me being difficult towards you.
It is unfortunate this all came about this way,but that's obviously how fate decided to deal with it.
If you have left,you probably won't read this,if you do I hope you take what I have said as my honest and professional opinion and NOT as dragging your name through anything.
Goodbye and Yes,you are extremley lucky to have escaped your accident.Good luck with any recovery you have left, if any.
I am leaving this here.
Now..I don't know about ahyone else here,but I am going back to work on this and back to being awesome
L.O.V.E
Sin xo
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I came onto the forum because it said I had a personal message and not using it long I went to the forum and then realized it was a PM. That's why you saw me here. Please do not misconstrue my words or twist them. I did not say that I thought there was any conspiracy with regard to the guy in the red shirt, I merely suggested that he's the best impersonator I've ever seen in my life, so much so that I actually felt quite sick that's all. Ok I gotta go.
Ok...wait a minute...You had what? You got a PM before you even introduced yourself to anyone here? Sounds more like you've had an account on this forum for some time already..."it said I had a PM and that's why I came here". Does that mean you got a notification on your cellphone that you have a msg on a forum you have never visited before??
Did I miss something... :?:
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Thank you Sinder, proclaimed Thread Official Voice of Reason.
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shall we move on now people................??????
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Thank you Sinder, proclaimed Thread Official Voice of Reason.
Haha!<3
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I came onto the forum because it said I had a personal message and not using it long I went to the forum and then realized it was a PM. That's why you saw me here. Please do not misconstrue my words or twist them. I did not say that I thought there was any conspiracy with regard to the guy in the red shirt, I merely suggested that he's the best impersonator I've ever seen in my life, so much so that I actually felt quite sick that's all. Ok I gotta go.
Ok...wait a minute...You had what? You got a PM before you even introduced yourself to anyone here? Sounds more like you've had an account on this forum for some time already..."it said I had a PM and that's why I came here". Does that mean you got a notification on your cellphone that you have a msg on a forum you have never visited before??
Did I miss something... :?:
I think it was in response to RKs statement:
I noticed Susan back here reading a few minutes ago.
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I came onto the forum because it said I had a personal message and not using it long I went to the forum and then realized it was a PM. That's why you saw me here. Please do not misconstrue my words or twist them. I did not say that I thought there was any conspiracy with regard to the guy in the red shirt, I merely suggested that he's the best impersonator I've ever seen in my life, so much so that I actually felt quite sick that's all. Ok I gotta go.
Ok...wait a minute...You had what? You got a PM before you even introduced yourself to anyone here? Sounds more like you've had an account on this forum for some time already..."it said I had a PM and that's why I came here". Does that mean you got a notification on your cellphone that you have a msg on a forum you have never visited before??
Did I miss something... :?:
I think it was in response to RKs statement:
I noticed Susan back here reading a few minutes ago.
Could be...thanks for reminding me, trublu :)
But I still think there's something very odd about this whole issue...
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But I still think there's something very odd about this whole issue...
That my dear,is an understatement...
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the video has been removed
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the video has been removed
Yah we know.Nice of her wasn't it...read my previous post,I have given my opinion on it.
However,and I did tell her this was up all over the net so it was pointless removing her's...this is still up.Not SB's full version...but the most important part is there.
And since it belongs to someone else,who have credited Susan at the end and Susan has herself commented on it I don't have to be sorry for linking y'all to it.. so here you go
[youtube:3fs42ok6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTZwParwBI&feature=related[/youtube:3fs42ok6]
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REVIVING THIS THREAD BECAUSE...
Susan,have you got over your shock of 'finding' this thread and put your video back up with pt2 or is your youtube account still 'hacked'?
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Thanks Sinderella.
Susan - why haven't you responded to my PM from a week or so ago? I thought you were answering our questions? I feel a little slighted at the moment as I respond to everyone who asks simple questions from me. Thank you for your time in responding.
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Thanks Sinderella.
Susan - why haven't you responded to my PM from a week or so ago? I thought you were answering our questions? I feel a little slighted at the moment as I respond to everyone who asks simple questions from me. Thank you for your time in responding.
Not a problem doll...needed to be done.
Everyone got carried away with the Oprah LMP thread and then BJ's education thread so before Oprah strikes back part 2 with her disgusting back to back shows on child molestation with Michael's children squished in the middle...for ratings and god knows what other dispicable purposes...I'm getting this revived.
It is still relevant and since Ms B declared she was uploading her video and pt2 again...i'm just making a point of it.
Also,Chloe is still waiting on a reply.
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well done sinderella,too many people just want their 15 mins of attention....................so lets see if susan is yet another one of them.............................
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well done sinderella,too many people just want their 15 mins of attention....................so lets see if susan is yet another one of them.............................
****still waiting.....
She is on twitter arguing with Jackson 5 fanatics and teenagers...might be waiting a while
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Oh God...is she real?
She didn't bother to answer my PM either. And now she's all over twitter? Didn't she say she didn't want any of this? Seems to me she's bathing in the attention, rather than trying to avoid it. Probably we aren't treating her like a queen enough => she doesn't bother...
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She is a Jackson 5 fan. I don´t think she is so interested in Michael. Also, she thinks he is dead.
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I don't care who or what she is,after giving a story on here and saying she was done with as she couldn't hand the fame coming from her video,removig it and ignoring my rather long but well structured comment to her....she comes back a few days later and opens up a thread in the new members area introducing herself....AFTER being on here...is that not slightly backwards?
She then said she'd answer PM's and questions...she hasn't
She also claimed that she was putting not 1 but both parts of her video back up...she hasn't
If she isn't real then I want to know who it is
and if she is,what the big deal is about putting her videos back up for the world to see since she is clearly over the fame of it.
She pretty much blamed the forum and it's members in this thread for her removing it which I am still angry about since we're the ones who gave it most of it's views on youtube and decided it was of some sort of relevance.
I know she is a J5 fan,that is obvious but regardless of that fact,she still remains to be the only person who attended that aftershow with footage.
Still waiting on how and why.