Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
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Katherine Jackson: Dr. Murray Told Me MJ Was Dead
4 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
Katherine Jackson told Oprah Winfrey ... it was Dr. Conrad Murray himself who broke the news that Michael Jackson was dead.
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On an episode of "Oprah" airing today, Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son.
She says Dr. Murray took so long in explaining things ... she had to cut him off, saying, "'Well, what happened? How is he? Did he make it?' And he said, 'No, he's gone.'"
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'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
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'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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"But Joseph had called in between and told me somebody had left Michael's house in an ambulance and they had the whole body covered up."
ORLY? Then how did Chriss Weiss get that infamous nice and clear ambulance shot?! God what a mess :lol:
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"But Joseph had called in between and told me somebody had left Michael's house in an ambulance and they had the whole body covered up."
ORLY? Then how did Chriss Weiss get that infamous nice and clear ambulance shot?! God what a mess :lol:
Oh but the infamous ambulance picture is fake... at least Brian Oxman said so! :lol:
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and Dileo seems to love taking credit for telling everyone and their dog that mj had died, i remember him claiming to tell Katherine as well as telling the kids!
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
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I swear I can't take it anymore. They keep saying all this all the time and the only thing it manages to do is to have people losing faith. I know I do. I admit it. I almost have days when I do not believe this is a hoax anymore. I swear! I just can't take it anymore!
People keep seeing a hoax in absolutely everything, and they will see a hoax in everything till the end of time. But I do not and cannot fool myself, I simply cannot. I can't bare to see Katherine talking like this, it breaks my heart, I am simply at the end of my nerves.
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Andrea wrote:
'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
ijcsly » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:00 pm
and Dileo seems to love taking credit for telling everyone and their dog that mj had died, i remember him claiming to tell Katherine as well as telling the kids!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
@Andrea thank you! You have just typed what I was gonna say. Ok, so again contradictions oh my. It's is possible at the first the family didn't know he had taken off. Maybe only a few Jermaine for sure knew he effed up when instead of hospital he said airport. ;)
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I don't think the family knew for sure until much later - maybe when Dileo told them 'he was gone'.
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I just watched the video. God, Katherine is almost crying. No, this can't be a hoax.... I am simply losing my nerves and my sanity, this can't be a hoax, this woman is in tears
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
Exactly my thoughts when I watched this. But the doctors never said he was dead, and never made a statement afterwards as well. Things that made you go hmmmm. If I look at O's face when Mrs. Jackson told this, she went hmmmm as well... Scared yet? :lol:
By the way: seems like Mrs. Jackson had some acting lessons, I almost believed her! If the things she said wouldn't be so crazy and this was the only thing we would have seen, you would almost think he's really dead. Good job Mrs. J.!
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I swear I can't take it anymore. They keep saying all this all the time and the only thing it manages to do is to have people losing faith. I know I do. I admit it. I almost have days when I do not believe this is a hoax anymore. I swear! I just can't take it anymore!
People keep seeing a hoax in absolutely everything, and they will see a hoax in everything till the end of time. But I do not and cannot fool myself, I simply cannot. I can't bare to see Katherine talking like this, it breaks my heart, I am simply at the end of my nerves.
Maybe it's good if you take a little break... Focus on something else, do some nice things, relax, clear your head and come back after a couple of days. Sometimes that really helps.
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What was so crazy what she said?
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
By the way: seems like Mrs. Jackson had some acting lessons, I almost believed her! If the things she said wouldn't be so crazy and this was the only thing we would have seen, you would almost think he's really dead. Good job Mrs. J.!
I think that they had plenty of time to plan this! :D
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
Exactly my thoughts when I watched this. But the doctors never said he was dead, and never made a statement afterwards as well. Things that made you go hmmmm. If I look at O's face when Mrs. Jackson told this, she went hmmmm as well... Scared yet? :lol:
By the way: seems like Mrs. Jackson had some acting lessons, I almost believed her! If the things she said wouldn't be so crazy and this was the only thing we would have seen, you would almost think he's really dead. Good job Mrs. J.!
I think Mrs. J is a great actress - she did it well on the TV reality show.
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I swear I can't take it anymore. They keep saying all this all the time and the only thing it manages to do is to have people losing faith. I know I do. I admit it. I almost have days when I do not believe this is a hoax anymore. I swear! I just can't take it anymore!
People keep seeing a hoax in absolutely everything, and they will see a hoax in everything till the end of time. But I do not and cannot fool myself, I simply cannot. I can't bare to see Katherine talking like this, it breaks my heart, I am simply at the end of my nerves.
Maybe it's good if you take a little break... Focus on something else, do some nice things, relax, clear your head and come back after a couple of days. Sometimes that really helps.
It won't help.... I put so much heart in all this for over a year, I care too too much and that's why it breaks my heart. It hurts too much and I can't see a hoax in Katherine's attitude...I just don't see it
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KING: We've got some other news for you. Five people are confirmed dead in a shooting, including the shooter. Several others injured. It took place inside a fitness center in Collier, Pennsylvania tonight.
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We now welcome to LARRY KING LIVE, finally, Frank DiLeo, Michael Jackson's manager. He worked for Michael from 1984 to 1989 and was rehired by Michael earlier this year, calling you out of retirement.
Why did he bring you back?
FRANK DILEO, MICHAEL JACKSON'S MANAGER: Well, first of all, you should understand that Michael and I have been speaking for the last couple of years when he came back from (INAUDIBLE). We were talking primarily about movie projects. And then he just called me and said, listen, man, would you like to manage me again?
He says, I need somebody that understands the music business and the touring business. And I said, sure, love to.
KING: The day he died, tell us how you first learned.
DILEO: I was having lunch at the Beverly Hilton. And I got a phone call from a fan who was...
KING: A fan?
DILEO: A fan who said, Frank, do you know there's an ambulance in front of Michael's house?
And I said, no, I don't, but I'm going to look right into it. And I hung up. I called Michael's assistant. And I said -- his name is Michael, also.
I said Michael, is there an ambulance at the house?
He said, that's what I heard. He said, I'm on my way. And I said, well, I'll be there in one second. I went in to get my ticket for the car. And I called Randi Phillips and said look, you're closer...
KING: Randi of...
DILEO: AEG.
KING: Right.
DILEO: I said you're closer to Michael's house than I am at this moment. Go there right away, I'll meet you there. Drove there, the ambulance had already left, asked Randy. He turned around. I came from the other direction. I went to pull in, they said, Frank, he left. I said where did he go? To the hospital. I drove to UCLA.
KING: What was the scene like? Where were the children?
DILEO: The children were in another room down the hall. They brought Randy and I back. We were the first two people there. And they were working on him in the room.
KING: They were still working on him?
DILEO: Yes.
KING: He was alive at that point?
DILEO: I don't know. I said to Randy, geez, I think he's alive. We have a shot here he'll be OK. When the nurse came out and I looked at her and she looked at me, I almost fainted.
KING: Because she said --
DILEO: She just looked at me and said he's not going to make it. He's gone. But we'll keep working on him until his mother gets here.
KING: Who finally told you he was dead?
DILEO: That nurse did.
KING: You had to tell the children?
DILEO: I had to tell Katherine first. And I told her with a doctor and a social worker. And it was pretty emotional. She grabbed me and cried and we hugged and cried together. And then I had to tell the children.
In the meantime, I called Joe Jackson in between. But he'd already known. I gave him my sympathy, and I went in and told the children.
KING: How do you do something like that? No experience is there?
DILEO: No, I've never lost somebody like that. It was very difficult. I went in with a social worker and a doctor. And just had to say -- they knew, they knew. And they got up and I said, I'm sorry, but your father's passed away. And they hung on to me for a while. We all cried.
KING: How did you take it?
DILEO: Very bad. I mean, I've cried for days, and it's a lonely feeling, because I'm not family, but I'm a friend.
KING: You were more than a manager?
DILEO: Oh, yes, he was my friend. Forget the manager part. He was my friend. And we were close. We talked a lot. Not as often as I wanted to. But we worked well together years before and we were working well now.
KING: Did he seem physically OK?
DILEO: Yes, he was physically OK.
KING: He was rehearsing, right?
DILEO: He was rehearsing well, eating well. We were making sure that he had the right protein shakes, the right food. We gave him chicken. You know, we brought him food to eat. He ate it. He'd say I'm not hungry, but he'd eat it.
KING: Was he insured, by the way?
DILEO: Yes, there's insurance, not on him, but on non- performance. Although, it's AEG and Michael Jackson's company.
KING: So they get money?
DILEO: They get -- the company goes towards the estate.
KING: Does the dispute --
DILEO: When it pays off. It hasn't paid off yet.
KING: There's a dispute, Frank, about how many shows he agreed to perform. Here's what Leonard Rowe, the long time friend of Joe Jackson, told us a few weeks ago, watch.
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LEONARD ROWE, FRIEND OF JOE JACKSON: Larry, the first conversation I had with Michael Jackson the night -- it was a Friday night, the night he asked me to come and go to work for him. This is what he told me. He said, I only agreed to do 10 shows for AEG. I never agreed to do 50.
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KING: Is that true, Frank?
DILEO: No. Michael knew there was more than ten shows. He knew there were 50 shows. Sometimes Michael would like to say, gee, I'm only doing ten. I woke up, now I'm doing 40 more.
KING: He might have said that to Leonard?
DILEO: Yes, but what he was saying was what by popular demand I have to do 40. And incidentally, there were enough ticket requests to do 85.
KING: Eighty five?
DILEO: Eighty five. And you have to understand this also, the manager at the time and three attorneys read the contract to him. He knew how many shows he had to do.
KING: You read that contract?
DILEO: I read it too. And I know what's in the contract. And there was a minimum and a maximum.
KING: What's the minimum?
DILEO: You have to ask AEG. I'm not allowed to divulge. Not from AEG, but Michael's sake.
KING: We'll be right back. Friday night, Jermaine Jackson's here. Don't go away.
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KING: We're with Frank DiLeo, Michael Jackson's manager. You wanted to add something about the dates.
DILEO: Just the fact that it came out to 50 was because he wanted to beat Prince's record of 21, and be in the Guinness Book of World Records. He wanted to do 50 to put it out of touch.
KING: Really, he was competitive that way?
DILEO: Michael's a very competitive person in everything he does.
KING: All right. Frank, what about this dispute now? You know Mr. Branca. Who gets to be the handler of the funds? Katherine is the -- she's in charge, but they've got 60 days. How do you read it?
DILEO: Well, I read it this way. Branca and Maclaine are in charge.
KING: For 60 days?
DILEO: For 60 days. I'm sure something will be worked out with Mrs. Jackson. It may be her. She may want to appoint somebody. I think they're going to try to work that out. Mrs. Jackson is one of the loveliest women in the world. I think she's going to make the greatest grandmother ever.
I had two grandmothers. If I can pick another one, I'd want to be her grandchild. Whether she wants to personally haggle with movie companies and record companies is another thing.
KING: What do you think of the Branca companies?
DILEO: Yes, Michael liked them. He wouldn't have put them in there if he didn't like them.
KING: Do you think they can work together with Mrs. Jackson?
DILEO: Yes, absolutely, absolutely. They can work with her.
KING: Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe were on this show. And Joe said that they seemed to have -- not imply, they said that Michael was being controlled. Watch this.
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ROWE: Michael Jackson's life at the end was being controlled and manipulated. Michael Jackson was not allowed to make his own decisions. He was not allowed to hire who he wanted to hire to work for him. Michael Jackson was being told what to do. And people were controlling Michael Jackson. The same people that were controlling Michael Jackson financially.
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KING: Want to comment on that?
DILEO: Absolutely. That is as false as they get. Michael Jackson has done and always did what he wanted to do.
KING: No one controlled him?
DILEO: No one controlled him. Listen, when I worked from 1984, you want to see Michael, call up. Is Michael available? What time? You come over. Same thing now. You want to see Michael Jackson? What time? You come over.
If he wants to see you, he's seeing you. If he doesn't want to see you --
KING: was not controlling him?
DILEO: How could they control him?
KING: Or out to harm him?
DILEO: Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Listen, this is a devastating thing for everybody. You think AEG's happy they've got 50 empty dates? They're not going to fill them this year.
KING: The family also, father Joe and sister Latoya, have suggested foul play. Here's what Joe Jackson told me in July. Watch.
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KING: Do you frankly think that drugs were involved in your son's life?
JOE JACKSON, FATHER OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Something happened there, Larry. It wasn't only drugs. There's something else behind all of that.
KING: What do you mean? Where is -- what are you thinking?
JACKSON: Well, I'm thinking that there's foul play.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Frank?
DILEO: Listen, something happened to Michael Jackson. We really don't know until the toxicology reports.
KING: We don't know at all. DILEO: We don't know at all. We weren't in the room. No one was sent up there to do any harm to Michael that we know of. I'm not sure what he's talking about. Did the doctor make a mistake? I don't know. You know, that has to come out.
KING: You don't think there was some plot?
DILEO: No. Absolutely not.
KING: Did you know about Michael's drug problem?
DILEO: I knew about it in the past. I didn't know if anything was going on now and I still don't. Because you have to remember something, to get the Lloyds of London to give you an insurance policy, you have to pass an exam. It was a four-hour exam with an outside doctor that they picked. They sent the doctor from New York. They examined him.
KING: They did that at the home?
DILEO: They did it somewhere. I wasn't here for that, but they have the results. They're not allowed to give them to anybody. But they said he was in great health. Now, you know, I asked them. I asked them in March, are you doing anything? He got a dig. Why would you ask me that? I said I want to be sure --
KING: What do you make of the doctor in the house full-time, Diprivan, stories like that?
DILEO: I never heard of Diprivan until I heard it on your show, to be honest with you. And I didn't know the doctor was staying overnight. Because at the end of the night, he went to his house, I went to my residence.
KING: Back with more of Frank Delco. We certainly thank him for being with us tonight. Clearing up some things. Back in 60 seconds.
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KING: We're back. Were you going to go on the tour?
DILEO: Yes.
KING: As manager, you'd have to go.
DILEO: Absolutely. I was going for eight months.
KING: Do you know if Dr. Murray was going to go?
DILEO: Yes, Michael wanted Dr. Murray to go. When I came in March, he said, Frank, make sure they get a doctor for us.
KING: Didn't you question that?
DILEO: I said, why do you need a doctor? He said because after the shows I want to make sure that I get the right fluids, you know, and I eat right, and I want somebody to help my health.
KING: Do you know Dr. Murray?
DILEO: No, I never met him until one day we had a meeting.
KING: For the record, by the way, a spokesman for Dr. Murray has told us previously we're not going to respond to any statements made by the Jackson family or anyone else at this time. Dr. Murray continues to cooperate with Los Angeles investigators in their efforts to determine the cause of Michael Jackson's death.
What do you make of raiding his house, though?
DILEO: Well, I'm sure they should have done it. The cops should find out. I'm curious too. But to this -- this communication here is that -- that was Michael's doctor. AEG, we asked AEG to pay for it while we were in Europe. He didn't even have a contract. He's never gotten a check.
KING: AEG was going to pay the doctor?
DILEO: Well, they were going to give the advance. It would be an advance against Michael's earnings, because Michael demanded that. It wasn't like he was on AEG's payroll. But there was the contract was being negotiated. He wasn't --
KING: While you were his manager, did you ever feel the sense to have to warn him about medications and stuff?
DILEO: No, because in the first time there wasn't any.
KING: In '84?
DILEO: Right.
KING: We'll be right back with Frank DeLeo and my good friend Jim Moret will join us, as well. We thank Frank for being with us tonight. We've been waiting for this for a long time, Frank.
DILEO: Thank you.
KING: Don't go away.
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KING: Frank DiLeo is our special guest with us tonight, exclusive with us. Michael Jackson's manager; he worked for Michael from '84 through '89 and was rehired earlier this year. Joining us now, a man atop this case from the get go, Jim Moret. He's chief correspondent for "Inside Edition." He also on many occasions has hosted this program. Has Frank DiLeo impressed you tonight?
JIM MORET, "INSIDE EDITION": Yes, he has. He's really done a good job of explaining what happened that day. We never really got inside.
Frank, we just discovered, had to break the news to Michael's children, to his mother.
He also said something interesting earlier, that Katherine can work with the executors, opening the door to perhaps a deal to be worked out. There is no question that the two administrators are very well qualified to do this job. They guided Michael Jackson's career.
I talked to one biographer of Michael Jackson today and said -- he said, without John Branca, there wouldn't even be an estate to deal with. That is how good these people are.
KING: Do you think they will work it out, Frank?
DILEO: Very optimistic. Mrs. Jackson is very level headed. Our attorneys are very level headed. There will be a resolution.
KING: Was Michael difficult to manage?
DILEO: No.
KING: All talent has some quirks.
DILEO: They all have some quirks. But Michael was great to manage. He would have a wild idea and I would have maybe a different idea. He would be like Steven Spielberg and I'm Martin Scorcesi. In some way we would blend and then it would work out. He used to laugh about that. He enjoyed that.
KING: How did you feel during the accusation period, with little boys and that story?
DILEO: I know that's not true.
KING: Know it?
DILEO: I know it. I know Michael. I know what he felt about people. He was a kind soul that wouldn't touch or harm a child. In that first one, I told him to fight it. If he was alive today, he would tell you. He told -- Frank DiLeo told me to fight it. I should have listen to him.
When the second time came around, I knew he was innocent. I knew what happened. The people were moochers.
KING: Jim, has that gone away?
MORET: The allegations.
KING: The story itself sort of faded.
MORET: I think that what we're seeing when you hear people like Frank talk, and you hear from Brooke Shields, you hear from his own daughter at the memorial -- we are seeing a different side of Michael Jackson. We clearly saw him as a strange guy, odd. He was odd. But he was very talented and we are seeing more of a human side to him.
DILEO: Sometimes odd can be confused with he was a great marketer of himself. You should look at it from that point of view.
MORET: He was unusual.
DILEO: He knew what he was doing, and he knew what would cause publicity.
KING: He did?
DILEO: I think so.
KING: In the Madonna vein, knowing how to sell tickets.
DILEO: Absolutely. I learned a lot of things from Michael.
KING: Was he a -- some people say a terrific businessman.
DILEO: He was very smart. When you get back to the number of shows; Michael Jackson knew that if you spent 27 million dollars to create a stage and a production, ten shows weren't going to cover it.
MORET: To that point, Michael Jackson knew there were 31 shows originally. AEG told me there were 31 shows. They rolled out the first ten. They said this is going so well, we've got to add more. They agreed to 19 more. That is how they got to 50.
KING: We'll be back with more right after this.
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KING: We're back with Michael Jackson's manager Frank DiLeo, in our exclusive appearance. Jim Moret, chief correspondent of "Inside Edition." What can you tell us about a meeting at the Beverly Hills Hotel, attended by Michael and his father Joe, before the concert tour? What was that all about?
DILEO: Here is what happened. That was the one day I happened to be out of town. Joseph wanted to have a meeting with Leonard Rowe, Michael, Randy Phillips and me, and Paul Gumbaway (ph). Katherine came to the meeting. It was at the Beverly Hills Hotel in a bungalow.
They got there early. Michael stayed in his car until Randy and Paul came. I was out of town. They went in. They had a meeting. Joe asked all these questions, him and Leonard. Randy answered them.
KING: You heard all this from Randy?
DILEO: I heard it from Michael.
KING: Oh.
DILEO: OK. This is May 15th. That is a Friday. I get back Sunday or Monday. Michael says, we have to get rid of Rowe. I said OK. He tells me everything that happened. May 20th -- KING: That letter went out.
DILEO: That letter went out and he received it.
KING: He said he didn't.
DILEO: I know he did. He got it. He also said that that meeting was three weeks before Michael died and that's not true. His timeline is way off.
KING: So Michael was kicked after that meeting?
DILEO: He forgot that he signed it. He signed it under pressure. But he forgot to send a letter out earlier. When they had the meeting and he saw how they acted, he said, Frank, we forgot. We have to remove Leonard. I said OK.
KING: Is this ever going to go away, Jim?
MORET: Not for a while. The criminal aspect --
KING: Where is that going?
MORET: Well, you know, with Anna Nicole, you didn't see charges for more than a year after she died. I think you may see a similar situation here. The attorney general is involved. The DEA is involved, the LAPD. It could take months before we see criminal charges.
KING: Anything you want to ask Frank?
DILEO: I'm just curious why it is that there seems to be these two camps between the family and the management? It seems like you all have the same interests at heart, really that's to grow what is now an estate.
DILEO: Right. It's not as big as people make it out to be. But the one thing you have to remember, Michael liked to have his business separate from his family. He didn't like his family interfering in his business.
KING: Really? Any of the family?
DILEO: Any of the family. Now, he did put Katherine as a trustee on certain things, because he trusted her. He didn't want them knowing what he was doing.
KING: Wasn't he close with his brothers and sisters?
DILEO: They are close as brothers and sisters. That has nothing to do with business. You could be close with your brother. You don't want him to looking at your contract.
KING: Do you think Michael's kids are going to go in business?
DILEO: I think they are very talented. KING: They've got good genes, right?
DILEO: Absolutely. They are very well mannered. They're very polite. They are very smart. I wish I could read as good as they do.
KING: Any idea where he is going to be buried?
DILEO: No.
KING: Why the mystery?
MORET: The mystery, because the toxicology report is not done and that brain tissue has not been released back to the family. They can't really bury him until he is whole. Simple as that. I think there is still a division in the family between Neverland and somewhere else.
KING: Yes. That's going to go on.
MORET: That's going to go on.
KING: Ad infinitum, Frank. Are you now back to being retired?
DILEO: No. I'm not going to stay retired very long.
KING: Thank so much for being with us. Thank you, Jim. Frank DiLeo, Michael Jackson's manager and Jim Moret.
On last night's show, Griffin O'Neal alleged that Alana Stewart sold Farrah Fawcett's things on eBay on the day of Fawcett's death. We were contacted by Stewart's lawyer, Howard Wiseman today, who told us the allegation is categorically false, and went on to say that as far as Griffin is implying that there was or is an inappropriate romantic relationship between Alana Stewart and Ryan O'Neal, that is absolutely false, as well as an unconscionable fabrication. That is a quote from Howard Wiseman.
And before we go on, our good friend Bob Barker has written a blog, exclusive for us, about his number one cause, animal welfare. He is calling attention to a situation involving some captive bears. You'll want to read this. Go to CNN.com/LarryKing.
Right now it is Erica Hill and "AC 360." Erica?
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/04/lkl.01.html (http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0908/04/lkl.01.html)
With such confusion don't it make you wanna SCREAM?! :lol: :lol:
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And why should we believe DiLeo?
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
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Time for a break methinks.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
There is a such thing as acting, you know?!? :D
beLIEve
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
There is a such thing as acting, you know?!? :D
beLIEve
They are all very good actors.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
There is a such thing as acting, you know?!? :D
beLIEve
I am not stupid and she's not actress. She never been in front of cameras all of her life. For god's sake, try to not twist everything as to fit a hoax that we surely invented because we want him to be here. I can't fool myself, i won't allow this anymore
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
There is a such thing as acting, you know?!? :D
beLIEve
They are all very good actors.
I can't wait to see how the kids are at acting (the only reason why I'm watching Oprah!)
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The kids have had acting lessons and probably still are.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
There is a such thing as acting, you know?!? :D
beLIEve
They are all very good actors.
I can't wait to see how the kids are at acting (the only reason why I'm watching Oprah!)
Any proof of Katherine as actress?Because I don't find any.Where should I look?
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Dileo claims to have told Katherine with a doctor and a social worker present...Katherine is saying Dr. Murray told her. I don't know who to believe anymore, except for noone. There are more stories coming out of the woodworks everytime an interview is done. This to me still makes me believe in the hoax theory even more just because there is nothing even remotely similar to the stories except for the fact that MJ died. Janet was in Georgia and then claimed to be in New York, Katherine has been told first by Dileo and now Dr. Murray..."with such confusion don't it make you want to scream" :evil:
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
Exactly my thoughts when I watched this. But the doctors never said he was dead, and never made a statement afterwards as well. Things that made you go hmmmm. If I look at O's face when Mrs. Jackson told this, she went hmmmm as well... Scared yet? :lol:
By the way: seems like Mrs. Jackson had some acting lessons, I almost believed her! If the things she said wouldn't be so crazy and this was the only thing we would have seen, you would almost think he's really dead. Good job Mrs. J.!
EXACTLY! CM DOESN'T PRONOUNCE MJ DEAD. UCLA DOCTOR HAS TO DO THAT SO FAR NONE OF THEM DID SO THAT'S A BIG THING POINTING TO A HOAX KEEP DA FAITH. MJ TOOK OFF TO THE AIRPORT THE FAMILY WAS CALLED TO UCLA MED CTR SO THEY HAD TO GO THEY HAD TO THINK SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED TO HIM THEN HE MAKES SURE ALL OF EM KNOW HE'S OK SOMEWHERE.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
I have seen you in this mood many times Tarja. May be is time for you to take a break.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
I have seen you in this mood many times Tarja. May be is time for you to take a break.
I feel like breaking down, I can't stand this anymore, I swear you I can't. I can't controll my tears, I can't stand this! Why?? I broke into tears when I saw this video. it was like a bucket of cold water. katherine can't be acting, she simply can't. She's not an oscar actress to act so naturally. I can't hide what I feel, not anymore. I am loosing ground, I need a fact and there's no fact, I need someone REAL to prove us he is really alive and we don't have this person. As I said, words for me are not facts! We only have the whole family screaming out he was murdered. that's all we have.
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I just watched the video. God, Katherine is almost crying. No, this can't be a hoax.... I am simply losing my nerves and my sanity, this can't be a hoax, this woman is in tears
Yes I know Katherine is in tears. But ..... if we look at the bigger picture, if all of this is as serious as we believe this is a "huge" thing MJ is doing, dont you think any mother would go along with it for the "sake" of her son if she knew the reason was BIG enough. I remember reading (I think in La Toyas book, its somewhere in the forum! :? ) that Katherine always believed MICHAEL was SPECIAL I think in a religious way, La Toya also believes this, she believes he is one for the 144,0000 (?) that JW believe will return to earth, please feel free to correct me if I got the number wrong. So yes I believe Katherine may in deed be playing a part in all of this, but must be so difficult for her. :?
We love you Katherine.
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"But Joseph had called in between and told me somebody had left Michael's house in an ambulance and they had the whole body covered up."
ORLY? Then how did Chriss Weiss get that infamous nice and clear ambulance shot?! God what a mess :lol:
So somebody left the house in an ambulance - not Michael obviously. The whole body covered up?? Meaning the whole "dead" body thing was a cover up? I think Katherine is actually trying to tell the truth in between other words - she even says "in between".
And she knows she is contradicting her story of who told her about her son - unless she thinks we all have the memories of goldfish.
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"But Joseph had called in between and told me somebody had left Michael's house in an ambulance and they had the whole body covered up."
ORLY? Then how did Chriss Weiss get that infamous nice and clear ambulance shot?! God what a mess :lol:
So somebody left the house in an ambulance - not Michael obviously. The whole body covered up?? Meaning the whole "dead" body thing was a cover up? I think Katherine is actually trying to tell the truth in between other words - she even says "in between".
And she knows she is contradicting her story of who told her about her son - unless she thinks we all have the memories of goldfish.
I think Katherine is being instructed on what to say which is why I think she is a good actress. She obviously doesn't want to give the game away - unlike Jermaine.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
I have seen you in this mood many times Tarja. May be is time for you to take a break.
I feel like breaking down, I can't stand this anymore, I swear you I can't. I can't controll my tears, I can't stand this! Why?? I broke into tears when I saw this video. it was like a bucket of cold water. katherine can't be acting, she simply can't. She's not an oscar actress to act so naturally. I can't hide what I feel, not anymore. I am loosing ground, I need a fact and there's no fact, I need someone REAL to prove us he is really alive and we don't have this person. As I said, words for me are not facts! We only have the whole family screaming out he was murdered. that's all we have.
Embrace yourself.
There are more parts of the interview that we have not seen yet.
I am not trying to convince you, but take a look back to 17 months, since the 1st day, June 25.
Michael is not dead.
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I am not trying to convince you, but take a look back to 17 months, since the 1st day, June 25.
Michael is not dead.
why am i the only one who can't be sure of this? I've been like this my whole life. I developed a wall around me to protect myself against those who lie to me. I just can't trust anyone unless I know this person for years. For me the fact that somebody (insiders/persons in the know) comes on forums saying he is alive doesn't mean anything to me if he can't ptove it or show us facts. i don't know what to do, what to think. I've changed enormously this latest year, I am spending my whole time here and when I am away I can't wait to be here to see if "maybe today we'll hear something good about him....". And this today, tomorrow... since 17 months so far. I just can't stand and understand this anymore. All i want is him being HERE in this world where he sould have always stayed. here and happy as he deserves to be
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I think if Katherine knew her son was alive, rather than lie to millions of people on TV, I think she would decline any interviews. She is very religious remember. No way do I feel she is acting. I think its time to face the brutal truth. :| :| :|
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I am facing the truth - He's ALIVE
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Hi Tarja and Anna,
This vid was posted by Scorpionchik in april, it shows Latoya and Katherine 1 month after Michaels 'funeral' at Dancing with the Stars. I could not believe their behaviour, having a great time, laughing and all of that so soon after their son/brother was murdered??!! (like they told us that was the case). I know people grieve in all kinds of manners, but this was a big ? for me. I do believe that there has to be a big reason Katherine is acting this way these days.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
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I am not trying to convince you, but take a look back to 17 months, since the 1st day, June 25.
Michael is not dead.
why am i the only one who can't be sure of this? I've been like this my whole life. I developed a wall around me to protect myself against those who lie to me. I just can't trust anyone unless I know this person for years. For me the fact that somebody (insiders/persons in the know) comes on forums saying he is alive doesn't mean anything to me if he can't ptove it or show us facts. i don't know what to do, what to think. I've changed enormously this latest year, I am spending my whole time here and when I am away I can't wait to be here to see if "maybe today we'll her something good about him. Maybe it won't last too much.". And this today, tomorrow... since 17 months so far. I just can't stand and understand this anymore. All i want is him being HERE in this world where he sould have always stayed. here and happy as he deserves to be
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm having a hard time also.
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why am i the only one who can't be sure of this? I've been like this my whole life. I developed a wall around me to protect myself against those who lie to me. I just can't trust anyone unless I know this person for years.
You already answered your question.
All i want is him being HERE in this world where he sould have always stayed. here and happy as he deserves to be
Your expectations and demands are the main reason why you feel low.
For your own mental health. Take a litlle break, walk, play, go to the gym, take a coffee in a bar....disconnect and enjoy.
Pm me if you feel you need to vent out.
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Hi Tarja and Anna,
This vid was posted by Scorpionchik in april, it shows Latoya and Katherine 1 month after Michaels 'funeral' at Dancing with the Stars. I could not believe their behaviour, having a great time, laughing and all of that so soon after their son/brother was murdered??!! (like they told us that was the case). I know people grieve in all kinds of manners, but this was a big ? for me. I do believe that there has to be a big reason Katherine is acting this way these days.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
I didn't know about this video...... When did this happen?
Pm me if you feel you need to vent out.
thank you...
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And why should we believe DiLeo?
If Mike were really dead, why would he lie?
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I am not trying to convince you, but take a look back to 17 months, since the 1st day, June 25.
Michael is not dead.
why am i the only one who can't be sure of this? I've been like this my whole life. I developed a wall around me to protect myself against those who lie to me. I just can't trust anyone unless I know this person for years. For me the fact that somebody (insiders/persons in the know) comes on forums saying he is alive doesn't mean anything to me if he can't ptove it or show us facts. i don't know what to do, what to think. I've changed enormously this latest year, I am spending my whole time here and when I am away I can't wait to be here to see if "maybe today we'll her something good about him. Maybe it won't last too much.". And this today, tomorrow... since 17 months so far. I just can't stand and understand this anymore. All i want is him being HERE in this world where he sould have always stayed. here and happy as he deserves to be
I couldn't agree with you more. I'm having a hard time also.
Hard time? This movie just turned from a boring drama to a thrilling action movie! Keep 'em coming Mike! Nice to be on the rollercoaster again! It was definitely time for some action. :lol:
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Absolutely - this Hoax is coming ALIVE!!!!
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Hard time? This movie just turned from a boring drama to a thrilling action movie! Keep 'em coming Mike! Nice to be on the rollercoaster again! It was definitely time for some action. :lol:
Breaking News: Confusion
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Some people are far more sensitive, Souza.... Some of us don't look at it with investigator's eyes, but with brothers or sisters eyes towards him and the situation.And we cannot see the "movie"...nor the "entertainment" anymore...
We are not made the same..
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Thanks for posting this video not all the things that made the family after the "death" Michael is not the normal things that people are supposed to do after losing a son or a brother, when you lose a beloved family the pain and suffering very large, the daughter of a close friend died last year and he said, losing a child can not be compared to any other pain in the world.
Any death is sad, but a child certainly is worse than any other. Somehow you're psyched to one's parents, uncles, brothers, friends and even family someday, might die, and then you have the sad duty to be in that sad funeral. But nobody, absolutely nobody imagines that will have to bury a child.
I've never seen Jackson has none of the crying, if gestures of sadness but never crying. We'll see the full interview.
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That MJ is alive does not mean that he will come back in flesh to the public :)
If he does it, people are going to question his looks and authenticity, as is happening with the Tracks just being released.
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Hi Tarja and Anna,
This vid was posted by Scorpionchik in april, it shows Latoya and Katherine 1 month after Michaels 'funeral' at Dancing with the Stars. I could not believe their behaviour, having a great time, laughing and all of that so soon after their son/brother was murdered??!! (like they told us that was the case). I know people grieve in all kinds of manners, but this was a big ? for me. I do believe that there has to be a big reason Katherine is acting this way these days.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
I didn't know about this video...... When did this happen?
I don't know the exact date, somewhere in october 2009. They did a tribute to Michael in 'Dancing with the Stars'. Below the vid in the link there is a comment, dated october 2009. I truly can relate to how you feel because I'm having a hard time too, but everytime I'm having an off-day, I go back to some 'evidence' and I'm back on my feet again!
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That MJ is alive does not mean that he will come back in flesh to the public :)
If he does it, people are going to question his looks and authenticity, as is happening with the Tracks just being released.
If he doesn't come back in flesh, then no one will ever understand the message, nor believe he is alive....
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I don't know the exact date, somewhere in october 2009. They did a tribute to Michael in 'Dancing with the Stars'. Below the vid in the link there is a comment, dated october 2009. I truly can relate to how you feel because I'm having a hard time too, but everytime I'm having an off-day, I go back to some 'evidence' and I'm back on my feet again!
thank you for the video. i don't know how I haven't seen it before. yes they look relaxed and having a good time there, but...
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Some people are far more sensitive, Souza.... Some of us don't look at it with investigator's eyes, but with brothers or sisters eyes towards him and the situation.And we cannot see the "movie"...nor the "entertainment" anymore...
We are not made the same..
And I really don't understand that after so many months of PROOF that he is still alive and kicking, I seriously don't. Maybe if you would stop being all emotional over everything, you will see clearly again.
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And when bamsday does come—whether sooner or later, there will of course be great rejoicing! But don’t expect things to just go back to entertainment as usual; as you already know, if you’ve read all the TIAI/TS posts, there will be a major battle ahead (Army of LOVE). And remember the following, from Threatened lyrics {http://www.elyrics.net/read/m/michael-jackson-lyrics/threatened-lyrics.html}: “What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.”
This is what TS said, as will this return. Nobody knows, just knows Michael
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Some people are far more sensitive, Souza.... Some of us don't look at it with investigator's eyes, but with brothers or sisters eyes towards him and the situation.And we cannot see the "movie"...nor the "entertainment" anymore...
We are not made the same..
And I really don't understand that after so many months of PROOF that he is still alive and kicking, I seriously don't. Maybe if you would stop being all emotional over everything, you will see clearly again.
It's not about stopping being emotional now, it's a way people are built. Some are sensitive, some are like a rock. I am sensitive and this is my character.You probably are not. And that is good for you, I wish I was..
And as you don't understand what more proof someone needs, at the same time I don't understand what proof you are talking about....Other than clues.So you see....everyone thinks different and has a completely other way of looking at the situation.Some things you might see, others simply don't and viceversa.Because of the mentality and the degree of skepticism and way to see the things.
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Some people are far more sensitive, Souza.... Some of us don't look at it with investigator's eyes, but with brothers or sisters eyes towards him and the situation.And we cannot see the "movie"...nor the "entertainment" anymore...
We are not made the same..
And I really don't understand that after so many months of PROOF that he is still alive and kicking, I seriously don't. Maybe if you would stop being all emotional over everything, you will see clearly again.
It's not about stopping being emotional now, it's a way people are built. Some are sensitive, some are like a rock. I am sensitive and this is my character.You probably are not. And that is good for you, I wish I was..
And as you don't understand what more proof someone needs, at the same time I don't understand what proof you are talking about....Other than clues.So you see....everyone thinks different and has a completely other way of looking at the situation.Some things you might see, others simply don't and viceversa.Because of the mentality and the degree of skepticism and way to see the things.
It has nothing to do with sensitivity, I am sensitive as well, but only when there is a reason to be sensitive. If people after almost 17 months and all the obvious evidence still not see that this is a hoax, then I don't know.
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I agree with you Suoza. I am a very sensitive person and what keeps me going when I see something that seems to indicate that MJ may really be dead is all of the events of the last 17 months. These most recent interviews, however sad and sincere they may seem to be, have pretty much all been debunked by going back and looking at previous responses from that person. They never seem to give the same information and I just can't believe that a family member would have so many different recollections of the events if they were indeed true.
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It has nothing to do with sensitivity, I am sensitive as well, but only when there is a reason to be sensitive. If people after almost 17 months and all the obvious evidence still not see that this is a hoax, then I don't know.
When I have no certainity of the situation and when I see this interview with Mrs. Katherine when her lips are trembling and teary eyes, it just make me think I have been living a whole illusion of a hoax. With me it's like this.... To me certainity means proofs and proofs mean facts, not clues (which can be interpreted) or theories, or suppositiond and speculations. So I can say that I have no certainity this is what we all believe. That's why an interview like this, which is a fact, beats any supposition or theory... Because i see it with my eyes, I see his mother almost crying. This is for me a fact, and it beats any minuscule and extremelly hidden clue.This for me weighs far more than a clue.
That's why after 17 months I am feeling more and more like an idiot. Because deep inside there's always a voice who tells me I'm fooling myself.I don't say I'm not a believer. Just that with an image like this one, of Katherine almost crying, drops my faith to a very low level.
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_Anna_:
I've had bad days too, but overall I've gone from thinking (90%) that Michael was dead to thinking that he MUST be alive!
Please try to keep some things in mind:
- "painS" at the memorial
- Jermaine singing "light up your face with sadness" - and telling us later on that MJ left for the airport (of all things)
- the photographer from NPG (Ben, I think) saying "that day and the other D-, um,..."
- LaToya and others (including Ortega, Payne, TII dancers) being all smiley at Michael's "funeral", which started late in the evening
ETC.
Janet can barely remember where she was when she got the news of her beloved brother's DEATH! And she gets all smiley and giggly when asked about that!
Joseph doesn't even seem to remember that his son is "dead"!
All of these things, and others, made me think "What the hell?" If it ever turns out that MJ is dead, I'm going to think that his family is not just weird, but downright CALLOUS. How is it possible for all fans to be absolutely devastated (to the point they can't function) and for MJ's family to keep going and smile and laugh and recover from the whole thing in a matter of days?!
I used to think this was murder, but then I realized that the family would have been a lot more SOMBER than they really are... Think about it: Your brother/son gets murdered and you do a reality TV show and promote books and stuff, all within months of his senseless death?!
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It has nothing to do with sensitivity, I am sensitive as well, but only when there is a reason to be sensitive. If people after almost 17 months and all the obvious evidence still not see that this is a hoax, then I don't know.
When I have no certainity of the situation and when I see this interview with Mrs. Katherine when her lips are trembling and teary eyes, it just make me think I have been living a whole illusion of a hoax. With me it's like this.... To me certainity means proofs and proofs mean facts, not clues (which can be interpreted) or theories, or suppositiond and speculations. So I can say that I have no certainity this is what we all believe. That's why an interview like this, which is a fact, beats any supposition or theory... Because i see it with my eyes, I see his mother almost crying. This is for me a fact, and it beats any minuscule and extremelly hidden clue.This for me weighs far more than a clue.
That's why after 17 months I am feeling more and more like an idiot. Because deep inside there's always a voice who tells me I'm fooling myself.I don't say I'm not a believer. Just that with an image like this one, of Katherine almost crying, drops my faith to a very low level.
Emotions aren't facts, _Anna_.
Here are some facts:
2 + 2 = 4
JFK and RFK were assassinated.
The Earth is not flat.
You're using emotions to draw some conclusions... And yes, emotions can be indications of things(when they're real). But what happens when they are fake? After all that MJ has been through, I woudn't put it past Katherine to LIE/FAKE for her son. Many people say "She's so religious, she wouldn't lie..." How do we know how religious she is?! She did celebrate her B-day at one point, which is against JW beliefs... And she's 80, and she's seen a lot, and after seeing the way in which MJ has been treated by so many, for so long, she might just want a little revenge, you know? We are all human before, and after, we are religious.
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_Anna_:
I've had bad days too, but overall I've gone from thinking (90%) that Michael was dead to thinking that he MUST be alive!
Please try to keep some things in mind:
- "painS" at the memorial
- Jermaine singing "light up your face with sadness" - and telling us later on that MJ left for the airport (of all things)
- the photographer from NPG (Ben, I think) saying "that day and the other D-, um,..."
- LaToya and others (including Ortega, Payne, TII dancers) being all smiley at Michael's "funeral", which started late in the evening
ETC.
Janet can barely remember where she was when she got the news of her beloved brother's DEATH! And she gets all smiley and giggly when asked about that!
Joseph doesn't even seem to remember that his son is "dead"!
All of these things, and others, made me think "What the hell?" If it ever turns out that MJ is dead, I'm going to think that his family is not just weird, but downright CALLOUS. How is it possible for all fans to be absolutely devastated (to the point they can't function) and for MJ's family to keep going and smile and laugh and recover from the whole thing in a matter of days?!
I used to think this was murder, but then I realized that the family would have been a lot more SOMBER than they really are... Think about it: Your brother/son gets murdered and you do a reality TV show and promote books and stuff, all within months of his senseless death?!
This photo of Joe does it for me
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/28/article-1195980-0582DD4D000005DC-156_468x375.jpg)
Sharing a laugh: Rev. Jesse Jackson, left, and Joe Jackson share a light moment outside the family home in Los Angeles
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z14j8vlLfk (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195980/Michaels-father-Joe-Jackson-laughing-outside-family-home.html#ixzz14j8vlLfk)
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All it would take for Katherine to get emotional during the interview would be for an acting coach (or Michael) to tell her this:
Think back on the days of the 2005 trial. Imagine it's happening again, NOW, and you're in the court in which your son is being accused of MOLESTING KIDS.
I'm almost starting to cry as I'm typing this... Actors play things in their minds (like a friend's death, the death of a pet etc) to make the tears/emotions flow.
_Anna_ and whoever else may feel like her: I'm just trying to encourage you to keep the FAITH! Take care, rest up, watch a silly movie or something. :P
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I 100% believe MJ is alive and behind all this, but that doesn't mean I don't have down days, where I wonder if we'll never get out of this loop of confusion that just goes round and round. If MJ isn't behind this hoax site, for sure TS, then he at least is happy about it's role. This site is so good for encouraging you in down days, like coming in for a counselling session. _Anna_, Tarja, Lonelynation, and other doubters--there is no other place to find comfort and support than here, though a day of other activity helps to relax the brain I've found.
I find that we have to be like jugglers, keeping hundreds of balls in the air at the same time--keeping in mind all the different twists on the stories so that we can catch the errors/inconsistancies and deliberate clues. I'm always amazed at the memories of many people here, remembering some obscure detail from something way back, and there WAS an intended link to it for a clue. My memory isn't that good, but I really try to keep ALL the facts of these 16 months constantly displayed in front of me. :roll: :( :o :? :D So hard though!
In this interview, Katherine really reminds me of LaToya. I simply see acting, I don't see the marks of genuineness. I just don't. There's probably truth mixed with hoax cover-ups to make it easier for her. As to how she can do this, being a religious person--family always comes first, and the Jackson's are a show-business family. Her nice house, media interviews, her life of ease (maybe not :lol: ), nice clothes (well she should buy some new outfits :roll: ) are ALL gotten because of MJ's show-business, not her involvement with the JW's.
Proof that she is lying and this is all a hoax? Well a million inconsistencies in hers and everyones's stories would get all of it thrown out in a real court of law. I think Michael actually wants us to note and remember all the details from each person's testimony and line them up with the others, just to prove that they are all not telling the complete truth. This is not for the faint-hearted, but for those with nerves of steel. The most important ingredient you must have IMO, is that you must realize that most of what we have been fed in the media, much in religion and elsewhere is fabrication for self-serving reasons. If you think that media and church have always been trustworthy, and now only MJ is lying about his death, then you will be disgusted with him, and this hoax is not for you. MJ is trying to wake us up to the TRUTH through his lying. "Till the lie becomes the truth." You have to be able to think outside the box, reality-wise.
This is a very challenging assignment, but we are all in this together. Teamwork--I love it! :) 8-)
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All it would take for Katherine to get emotional during the interview would be for an acting coach (or Michael) to tell her this:
Think back on the days of the 2005 trial. Imagine it's happening again, NOW, and you're in the court in which your son is being accused of MOLESTING KIDS.
I'm almost starting to cry as I'm typing this... Actors play things in their minds (like a friend's death, the death of a pet etc) to make the tears/emotions flow.
I know you are right and it could be a possibility.. I've been into acting for some time now, and everytime I read a role that I picked in my hand and had a sad moment, teary, I immediately think about something that really makes the tears flow in a second, and the sad expression on the face is natural. But then again, I don't know if Katherine is an actress.. She barely appeared on TV so far
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I just opened to see Oprah live stream with katherine and I turned in actually when she was saying how Murray told her he was gone and it's more than TMZ showed. tears are flowing down her face. I don't want to see this anymore, it's as awful as june 25. This can't be a damn hoax, she can't be acting, look at her.
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"But Joseph had called in between and told me somebody had left Michael's house in an ambulance and they had the whole body covered up."
ORLY? Then how did Chriss Weiss get that infamous nice and clear ambulance shot?! God what a mess :lol:
I thought it was Ben Evanstead from NPG who got the pic?
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I have yet to see the interview with Katherine, but one doesn't have to be an ACTOR to ACT. We all act sometimes, in our daily lives, putting certain invisible masks on and pretending. Of course what you choose to believe is up to you...
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AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN TRUST "DR." CONRAD MURRAY RIGHT? :roll:
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When I have no certainity of the situation and when I see this interview with Mrs. Katherine when her lips are trembling and teary eyes, it just make me think I have been living a whole illusion of a hoax. With me it's like this.... To me certainity means proofs and proofs mean facts, not clues (which can be interpreted) or theories, or suppositiond and speculations. So I can say that I have no certainity this is what we all believe. That's why an interview like this, which is a fact, beats any supposition or theory... Because i see it with my eyes, I see his mother almost crying. This is for me a fact, and it beats any minuscule and extremelly hidden clue.This for me weighs far more than a clue.
That's why after 17 months I am feeling more and more like an idiot. Because deep inside there's always a voice who tells me I'm fooling myself.I don't say I'm not a believer. Just that with an image like this one, of Katherine almost crying, drops my faith to a very low level.
Katherine crying is a fact. The reason she is crying is up to interpretation. You choose to make it a fact because you're interpreting her tears to be from the real death of her son.
On that basis, then, you've made up your mind; haven't you? I'm not sure what more you hope to get from this discussion. You continue to say you're at the end of your rope. People have suggested you take a break, but you say that won't help. Are you looking for us to try to convince you? Unfortunately, many of us define a fact differently than you so I'm not sure how that would happen.
My intention is not to be needlessly harsh with you, but help you make a decision so you can stop torturing youself. It sound like you're convinced Michael's dead but you just don't want to face the mourning process that will ensue with that "reality." You keep looking for the one thing that will make the decision for you to keep believing. Unfortunately, until the whole world knows of Michael's return, it's a matter a faith and belief in something you can't see rather than something you can.
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I really think that everyone is free to express their own opinions and so am I. I do not have to refrain what I think right now and believe just because I don't think like the rest. And I am not expecting anyone to try to convince me, I am leading a discussion. It's a discussion where I can say my opinion and the others can too. I do not have to agree with the others to be able to post in this discussion. It's not about who convinces who. It's about seeing BOTH sides of the story in order to see where do we arrive.
Many people are completely blinded by the idea of the hoax and don't see anything but absolutely anything outside it. To be blinded by ONE single theory limits your horizon and whatever you see or hear would be interpreted that way. This is what i try to say, and I don't say this to convince anybody, but just to express my own opinion. You cannot be blinded by something because that way you'll NEVER see anything outside it. You have to look at both sides in order to get an objective idea. When you are too focused on the fact that something is red then you'll never see it green even if it is green.
I am a believer. Just that my hopes dropped very low
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I really think that everyone is free to express their own opinions and so am I. I do not have to refrain what I think right now and believe just because I don't think like the rest. And I am not expecting anyone to try to convince me, I am leading a discussion. It's a discussion where I can say my opinion and the others can too. I do not have to agree with the others to be able to post in this discussion. It's not about who convinces who. It's about seeing BOTH sides of the story in order to see where do we arrive.
Many people are completely blinded by the idea of the hoax and don't see anything but absolutely anything outside it. To be blinded by ONE single theory limits your horizon and whatever you see or hear would be interpreted that way. This is what i try to say, and I don't say this to convince anybody, but just to express my own opinion. You cannot be blinded by something because that way you'll NEVER see anything outside it. You have to look at both sides in order to get an objective idea. When you are too focused on the fact that something is red then you'll never see it green even if it is green.
I am a believer. Just that my hopes dropped very low
Uhm... I wouldn't be so quick to judge _Anna_, I think outside of the box with everything. I am just 10000% sure he's not dead, because we have enough evidence he isn't. If you don't see it, that's your loss, but don't judge others.
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Michael, show your little leg under the door next time for _Anna_ :lol:
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I really think that everyone is free to express their own opinions and so am I. I do not have to refrain what I think right now and believe just because I don't think like the rest. And I am not expecting anyone to try to convince me, I am leading a discussion. It's a discussion where I can say my opinion and the others can too. I do not have to agree with the others to be able to post in this discussion. It's not about who convinces who. It's about seeing BOTH sides of the story in order to see where do we arrive.
Many people are completely blinded by the idea of the hoax and don't see anything but absolutely anything outside it. To be blinded by ONE single theory limits your horizon and whatever you see or hear would be interpreted that way. This is what i try to say, and I don't say this to convince anybody, but just to express my own opinion. You cannot be blinded by something because that way you'll NEVER see anything outside it. You have to look at both sides in order to get an objective idea. When you are too focused on the fact that something is red then you'll never see it green even if it is green.
I am a believer. Just that my hopes dropped very low
Uhm... I wouldn't be so quick to judge _Anna_, I think outside of the box with everything. I am just 10000% sure he's not dead, because we have enough evidence he isn't. If you don't see it, that's your loss, but don't judge others.
I don't judge and never will. I just say what I believe and what I notice. That doesn't mean I judge anyone.
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What would've really gotten me is if the kids started breaking into tears. Then I might have to second guess myself a bit. But they didn't. They seemed just as happy and cheerful talking about their father.
I believe Katherine's tears were genuine, yes, but those were not mournful tears in my opinion. I think she is, and always has been, quite upset about the life Michael was/still is living. She told Oprah in the interview that she did not approve of many things Michael did from the operations on his nose, to shielding the children. I think she was upset of his overall lifestyle. And more specifically the people around him, that tried to control that lifestyle.
...not his "death".
After this interview, my faith has not wavered. I know he's still alive. You can see it in the children's faces.
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I do believe that Michael is alive, maybe the tears of Katherine are for all that Michael lived all his life that I have done all this we are seeing today, we do not know if he's happy, who is undergoing life what problems, the why of all this, if your life was or is in danger, there are still many questions around this that we do not know.
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Michael, show your little leg under the door next time for _Anna_ :lol:
:D Thanks for that Gema we needed some comic relief! Honestly what were people expecting, for them to reveal its all a hoax? To drop massive obvious clues? They've been going along with the story of him being dead for all this time, of course they'd have to show emotion when talking about it. Who do you think they are, Joe?! ;) Anna and Tarja I too worry about you and have noticed you feel this kind of despair regularly. The fact you won't step away yet say you can not accept all we've discovered anymore cannot be healthy for you. Its all there on the index page theres no denying it. The Jacksons are an integral part of this they all have their roles to play. Katherine has been playing the grieving mother so long now and you believed then, as soon as she sheds tears you give up. I'm sensitive too but my intuition and common sense win out in this case.
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I really think that everyone is free to express their own opinions and so am I. I do not have to refrain what I think right now and believe just because I don't think like the rest. And I am not expecting anyone to try to convince me, I am leading a discussion. It's a discussion where I can say my opinion and the others can too. I do not have to agree with the others to be able to post in this discussion. It's not about who convinces who. It's about seeing BOTH sides of the story in order to see where do we arrive.
Many people are completely blinded by the idea of the hoax and don't see anything but absolutely anything outside it. To be blinded by ONE single theory limits your horizon and whatever you see or hear would be interpreted that way. This is what i try to say, and I don't say this to convince anybody, but just to express my own opinion. You cannot be blinded by something because that way you'll NEVER see anything outside it. You have to look at both sides in order to get an objective idea. When you are too focused on the fact that something is red then you'll never see it green even if it is green.
I am a believer. Just that my hopes dropped very low
I never said you couldn't express your opinion or that you should refrain. I'm not attacking you. MY opinion is that leading a discussion means bringing in new points of view so the subject can progress. You've stated repeatedly that you just can't take this anymore. Stating an opinion once makes sense; repeating it does what, exactly? It doesn't really lead anywhere, so I take it to mean you're asking for input. I was only trying to help.
I guess we see lots of things differently. Peace.
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They all did a great job today. Everyone's doing a great job! We're a family!
Everything said today directly contradicts what was said earlier. Of course they are great at acting....this is after all, the first augmented reality movie of all time....they've got to be good....average performances don't make HIStory!
Onward with the greatest show on earth! ;)
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I have my days of giving up also, but then I go back to the basic principles from the 911 call on. This has been planned from day one, when I feel doubt I start reviewing the so called "coincidences" and I find myself saying, that man is a genius!. Also, a mother who loves her child would cry for many reason concerning her child. If the child has moved far away, was physically hurt, or emotionally hurt by others, did something wonderful or died, etc. Katherine cried today, we all felt her pain, however, it does not necessarily mean her tears where over the death of her son. Could be acting, but I feel those were real tears. I feel she cried because of the what the world (media and some not so nice people) did to him and the extreme measures her son had to take to clear his name, wake up the world, regain his throne and carry on. Let's face it Michael is taking controlling of his own destiny, he is cleaning up the messes people made all around him....about him. Also, I felt the interview was rehearsed and confusing... maybe it was suppose to be? I felt the most important part of the interview were the kids talking about their Dad. They understood about the masks, they miss him, great Dad, great cook......the greatest Dad, a NORMAL Dad. All really important facts sealing in the truth about Michael being a great Dad. Take care, Love to All
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'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
Think of it in this way...I'm not sure if you have children or not...but imagine for a minute that your child is alive but you don't know where they are or if and when you'll see them again. NOW, with that scenario in mind, I think it would not be a stretch to produce tears under those conditions. Add to the mix how you would feel knowing how much the media and unscrupulous people have hurt your child with lies and deception all throughout his life, and how much he has hurt himself because of it and there was nothing you could do about it. That would also definitely bring on the tears!
My mother once told me, the only thing worse for a parent to losing a child to death is to know your child is in pain or suffering and there's nothing you can do about it.
I believe Mrs. Jacksons tears were genuine, but they were out of all the pain and frustration Michael has had to endure his whole life that she couldn't do anything about...and today she got to talk about it and that's the tears we saw.
Believe ;)
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'No, he's gone.' Yes, we know that. To the airport.
:lol: :lol: IT IS AMAZING HOW WE GUYS STAY CONFIDENT AND SUPPORTIVE TO OUR BELIEF. :lol:
DOCTOR MURREY TOLD KATHERINE. . .THIS IS SOMETHING NEW, THEN HE WOULD NOT SIGN DEATH CERTIFICATE? WHY?
I BELIEVE MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND ALSO ALMOST CONFIDENT THAT HE WILL NOT BE BACK. KATHERINE TEARS ARE BECAUSE OF THE HOAX THAT THEY FORCED TO SUPPORT SINCE MICHAEL HAD TO GIVE UP HIS CAREER AND LIVE LIFE TO "GET AWAY FROM THE SYSTEM" AND TO BE ABLE TO LIVE & RAISE HIS CHILDREN IN PEACE. THE WAY SHE TALKS ABOUT HER SONS DEATH, DOES NOT SOUND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
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Two things stood out for me about that interview.
1. Katherine was wearing the same outfit.........or at the very least very similar to the ones she wore during MJ's trial.
2. Katherine mentioned that Michael trusted NO ONE after his trial.... why would he trust Dr. Murray to look after him if he felt that people were after him??
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
Think of it in this way...I'm not sure if you have children or not...but imagine for a minute that your child is alive but you don't know where they are or if and when you'll see them again. NOW, with that scenario in mind, I think it would not be a stretch to produce tears under those conditions. Add to the mix how you would feel knowing how much the media and unscrupulous people have hurt your child with lies and deception all throughout his life, and how much he has hurt himself because of it and there was nothing you could do about it. That would also definitely bring on the tears!
My mother once told me, the only thing worse for a parent to losing a child to death is to know your child is in pain or suffering and there's nothing you can do about it.
I believe Mrs. Jacksons tears were genuine, but they were out of all the pain and frustration Michael has had to endure his whole life that she couldn't do anything about...and today she got to talk about it and that's the tears we saw.
Believe ;)
This is a very comforting post...when u put it in that perspective..it helps make sense of it~
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Hard time? This movie just turned from a boring drama to a thrilling action movie! Keep 'em coming Mike! Nice to be on the rollercoaster again! It was definitely time for some action. :lol:
Ooh, I know, Souza, I had a crazy fun birthday weekend and with all of this hubbub bubbling and boiling, it couldn't be more exciting! These are the times when I really enjoy the hoax!
I don't judge and never will. I just say what I believe and what I notice. That doesn't mean I judge anyone.
I really think that everyone is free to express their own opinions and so am I. I do not have to refrain what I think right now and believe just because I don't think like the rest. And I am not expecting anyone to try to convince me, I am leading a discussion. It's a discussion where I can say my opinion and the others can too. I do not have to agree with the others to be able to post in this discussion. It's not about who convinces who. It's about seeing BOTH sides of the story in order to see where do we arrive.
Many people are completely blinded by the idea of the hoax and don't see anything but absolutely anything outside it. To be blinded by ONE single theory limits your horizon and whatever you see or hear would be interpreted that way. This is what i try to say, and I don't say this to convince anybody, but just to express my own opinion. You cannot be blinded by something because that way you'll NEVER see anything outside it. You have to look at both sides in order to get an objective idea. When you are too focused on the fact that something is red then you'll never see it green even if it is green.
I am a believer. Just that my hopes dropped very low
What Souza put in bold does kind of sound like you're judging everyone who fully believes this is a hoax as being delusional..
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Actually I read the interview and got surprised how well family supports Michael who allowed Oprah to interview them to be once again media manipulated by him.
"On the day Michael died, Katherine received a phone call from her husband, Joe, telling her someone had been taken from Michael's house in an ambulance. That person was covered with a sheet. At first, Katherine says, she told herself it might not be her son, but in her heart, she knew it was.
Then, she got a call from the hospital, confirming that it was Michael who had been taken away in an ambulance"
Joe told Larri King he got a call from a fan that told him Michael was taken to the hospital. Larri asked why you got a call from a fan, not from family members,isn't it strange? Joe said "I always get calls from fans about news".Now turns out that Katherine got a call from Joe who said somebody had taken to hospital whereas children were at home and could confirm from the beginning that actually Michael was taken to the hospital, not somebody....... Helloooooo........
Katherine was "servicing" that morning, then she recieved call from Joe when got back home. Servicing? :lol: 80 years old woman, mother of King of Pop goes door to door to do Jehova Witness Service along with body guards or alone? Could not come up with better story? :lol:
"Yes," Katherine says. "He came out, and he was talking. It took him so long. And I'd say: 'Well, what's happened? ... Did he make it?' And he said: 'No. He's gone.' That's all I remember."
Why she would ask that question? Usually americans favorit expression is "Is he/she OK?" Maybe Katherine meant if MJ made his plan?
Katherine says. "I thought [Paris] was going to pass out. She was just saying: 'Daddy, I can't make it without you. I want to be with you. I want to go with you.' I felt so bad for them."
Exactly, then children did not understand really why father left them for the first time, then they learned it is temporary and necessary to be away for some time and they calm down. Then Paris according to La Toya, was writing a letter to father as I posted here from twitter.
"He was just a normal dad," Paris says. "Except for he was, I would say, the best dad ever."
Now Paris carefull with verbs, now it is not daddy has been, but daddy was. I got it.
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First I want to say, Mrs. Jackson is such an elegant and gracious woman. Such beauty in her heart...whether MJ is alive or not, this has got to be so hard for her being the person she is. I'll bet the day she said *I do* to Joe....she NEVER IMAGINED what kind of a ride she was in for.... She gave a compelling interview....and yet....there are still some things that make me go hummmmm.....
If MJ was dead leaving the house, wouldn't that have made it near impossible to still give him oxygen allll the way to the ambulance covered with a sheet? And if the the photos were a fake...why no law suits against them by Joe or anyone else for forgery? Those pics had to have been worth big $$$ and I would think whoever paid out that money would have questions of their own.
It was my understanding Dr. Murray took off from the house and was m.i.a. for a few days. If in fact he was at the hospital and gave the news of MJ's passing to Mrs.J....why didn't Dr. Murray also sign the death certificate while they were taking so long to tell her? Why didn't anyone else sign it? What were they all doing all that time standing around his *corpse*? And why has no doctor from UCLA ever been interviewed about that day he worked on MJ or hospital staff?
If he really IS dead....why would his family still leave so many *hints* he's still alive in tweets and videos on their website? They know they are keeping the hope alive in many fans. And if he is really dead....that means they've used their brother's death for monetary gain??? I can't believe that. I think more and more people have come to thinking it IS a hoax....and Oprah's show was damage control.
Take heart....fellow hoax believers.
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First I want to say, Mrs. Jackson is such an elegant and gracious woman. Such beauty in her heart...whether MJ is alive or not, this has got to be so hard for her being the person she is. I'll bet the day she said *I do* to Joe....she NEVER IMAGINED what kind of a ride she was in for.... She gave a compelling interview....and yet....there are still some things that make me go hummmmm.....
If MJ was dead leaving the house, wouldn't that have made it near impossible to still give him oxygen allll the way to the ambulance covered with a sheet? And if the the photos were a fake...why no law suits against them by Joe or anyone else for forgery? Those pics had to have been worth big $$$ and I would think whoever paid out that money would have questions of their own.
It was my understanding Dr. Murray took off from the house and was m.i.a. for a few days. If in fact he was at the hospital and gave the news of MJ's passing to Mrs.J....why didn't Dr. Murray also sign the death certificate while they were taking so long to tell her? Why didn't anyone else sign it? What were they all doing all that time standing around his *corpse*? And why has no doctor from UCLA ever been interviewed about that day he worked on MJ or hospital staff?
If he really IS dead....why would his family still leave so many *hints* he's still alive in tweets and videos on their website? They know they are keeping the hope alive in many fans. And if he is really dead....that means they've used their brother's death for monetary gain??? I can't believe that. I think more and more people have come to thinking it IS a hoax....and Oprah's show was damage control.
Take heart....fellow hoax believers.
My thoughts exactly. She is such a sweet soul and Michael inherited that from her. Watching her talk about her baby brought me to tears not because I believe he's dead but because any mother would understand that incredible bond and feel for what she went through seeing all that was done to him. We can all relate to that motherly love but she expressed it beautifully. I love her more than ever after watching the interview. No wonder he adored her so much. The kids are in the very best place they could be while he's away. Like many others I also noticed Oprah's eyebrows almost shoot up when she told her Dr Murray told her MJ had gone. She was thinking "What now?". Still on the fence about Oprah being involved in the hoax, maybe her role is to look quizzical so non-believers start to question too. After all many people take what she says seriously.
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no no.. Can't take this anymore. It's amost the end for me with all this. I swear it is. I dont want to loose my sanity anymore because of a LIE. This woman can't act like this. It is the truth. I can't fool myself anymore. impossible. I feel like breaking everything, I can't believe how stupid I was to believe this was a hoax. i can't believe that it's been 17 months of ILLUSION. this is all a lie, i can't believe. I don't accept him being dead, I just simply don't want to accept this! Katherine is crying! It's obvious on her face that she doesn't fake it. Maybe anyone can still believe this is a hoax, but I can't. I have no single fact that he is alive. WORDS for me are not facts and never will be.
I have seen you in this mood many times Tarja. May be is time for you to take a break.
I feel like breaking down, I can't stand this anymore, I swear you I can't. I can't controll my tears, I can't stand this! Why?? I broke into tears when I saw this video. it was like a bucket of cold water. katherine can't be acting, she simply can't. She's not an oscar actress to act so naturally. I can't hide what I feel, not anymore. I am loosing ground, I need a fact and there's no fact, I need someone REAL to prove us he is really alive and we don't have this person. As I said, words for me are not facts! We only have the whole family screaming out he was murdered. that's all we have.
I hope you're not asking Michael to come and reasure us......
I would love it too but.......it's not our right to pressure him
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Hi Tarja and Anna,
This vid was posted by Scorpionchik in april, it shows Latoya and Katherine 1 month after Michaels 'funeral' at Dancing with the Stars. I could not believe their behaviour, having a great time, laughing and all of that so soon after their son/brother was murdered??!! (like they told us that was the case). I know people grieve in all kinds of manners, but this was a big ? for me. I do believe that there has to be a big reason Katherine is acting this way these days.
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
So his Mother says the whole body was covered up - this is fiction
So his Mother says Murray told her Michael was gone - fiction again.
I think Mrs. Katherine would do anything if Michael asks her........ especially if it is to protect him. Like any Mother would do for her son. I know I would.
Listen at 0:34, Mrs. Katherine says "You know Michael, he LOVES to dance" .
He LOVES to dance? Speaking in the present tense right?
Who lost a close relative knows you don't behave like this, you don't have power to smile and be happy and enjoy yourself......
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Q: Did you ever talk to Michael about this show?
K: Yes, *smiles*
Q: What would he like about it/ what did he like about it? ( I do not understand exactly how he asks it)
K: Well, you.. you know Michael, he loves to dance, that’s why we’d watch them because he loved to the dancers and especially the stars *laughs* dancing . ‘cause some of them can dance a bit and some of them very good, so .. we used to talk about that together too *smiles*
L: I said, mother you have to come and she said “no, I’m too shy to come” , I said mother you come once and you’re gonna love it. Mother, did you like it?
K: I did, I really enjoyed it
L: I told you, I knew you’d like it
K: And stop saying that I’m shy, because I’m not *laughs* (here she has a joking mood while saying it...)
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Murray has told her? And this comes out just NOW? ... :roll: I don't think so ...
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I hope you're not asking Michael to come and reasure us......
I would love it too but.......it's not our right to pressure him
Please, do not put words in my mouth. I'd really ask you to say you opinion but don't make it look like I said it. It's absurd what you said and totally missunderstood every single word I said. I don't mind you not understanding me but I don't accept words to be put in my mouth. Some here caught the idea of what I said and we are all here free to say our opinions no matter if we agree with eachother or not.
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She really tries to cry but to me tears aren't coming.. I can do this too [ :cry: ] but inside I am [ :D :roll: ] just like Katherine.. just my option. 8-) 8-) She's a good actress btw.
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She really tries to cry but to me tears aren't coming.. I can do this too [ :cry: ] but inside I am [ :D :roll: ] just like Katherine.. just my option. 8-) 8-) She's a good actress btw.
I saw tears, I mean really..
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Tarja sorry but when you said a REAL person I thought that maybe you think of Mr. Jackson....and I said I hope you don't think of Michael.....
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I hope you're not asking Michael to come and reasure us......
I would love it too but.......it's not our right to pressure him
Please, do not put words in my mouth. I'd really ask you to say you opinion but don't make it look like I said it. It's absurd what you said and totally missunderstood every single word I said. I don't mind you not understanding me but I don't accept words to be put in my mouth. Some here caught the idea of what I said and we are all here free to say our opinions no matter if we agree with eachother or not.
Sorry Tarja I'm with Gina on this one. She wasn't putting words in your mouth she was saying that maybe you get so emotional like this because you need someone to come right out and say "this is a hoax" every time someone cries on TV or whatever. You wouldn't be here in the first place if you didn't believe in the hoax at first, how could all that evidence be magically undone by a few tears or a sad expression? If you look at your posts from last night and how desperately emotional they are (not just you of course there were others) many of us were seriously concerned for you. You're right this is a forum for our opinions, but our opinions of the hoax and the reasons for it, not a forum for all the reasons against it. That would be the opposite of what this site is. No doubt you won't agree but that's up to you, if you don't believe anymore you won't be the first or last to lose faith but to me its about using common sense rather than emotion.
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What would've really gotten me is if the kids started breaking into tears. Then I might have to second guess myself a bit. But they didn't. They seemed just as happy and cheerful talking about their father.
Agreed. The kids were the cincher for me. If they had cried or just looked a little stricken even, my faith may have wavered. But they seemed perfectly at ease talking about their father and happy. They talked about him so matter-of-factly...especially Paris...
And the contradictions just keep coming...As another poster hinted...even Oprah seemed a little sceptical about some of Mrs. J's answers...
What a ride Mike!!!! I'm definitely in it for the long haul. :D
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I am going to make a confession here. My grandmother, who was my absolute best friend in the world, died a little over 11 years ago. I was talking about her yesterday in a session and broke down. Matter of fact, even after all of these years, I still can't talk about her without crying. That's what made me smile yesterday when I watched the interview with the kids. I do not see how all 3 of them, knowing MJ as their ONLY parent, were able to discuss him and their favorite memories of him, without atleast choking up a little bit. They just seemed way too happy and that doesn't seem normal given that they "lost" him only 17 months ago.
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I am going to make a confession here. My grandmother, who was my absolute best friend in the world, died a little over 11 years ago. I was talking about her yesterday in a session and broke down. Matter of fact, even after all of these years, I still can't talk about her without crying. That's what made me smile yesterday when I watched the interview with the kids. I do not see how all 3 of them, knowing MJ as their ONLY parent, were able to discuss him and their favorite memories of him, without atleast choking up a little bit. They just seemed way too happy and that doesn't seem normal given that they "lost" him only 17 months ago.
I tottaly feel you.. I know how it is.
I know the thing with "people grieve differently" but to a certain degree, after all. I simply can't understand how some people who lost someone close to them (mother, father, sister, son) would be so relaxed as the kids are while talking about their father.
I will tell you something too, but I am a person who grieves enormously after someone's death, death has horrified me since little child, probably I am a little more broken about this than many others, but in the end we all suffer.
Last year, on 27th of October, my little girl died (my cat). She got ill and in a week she died, at the age of 8. I must say that my animals are like they are my children, I love them enormously. Even when I write now about this I have tears in my eyes. My little girl died in my arms, in a hospital. That night I was like...impossible to describe. I was hurting so much that it was a physical pain. My mother was coming to me, trying to confort me but nothing in the world could do it, I just couldn't stop crying and get out of the shock of having her dead in my arms... It was on 27th of October, and on 30th of October I had tickets to go and see This is it, and all those 3 days I didn't go out of my room, I couldn't, I couldn't even go and sit in front of my computer, I was just standing there, on the couch, crying. The only reason why I really could go out was because I wanted to see Michael, to see the movie.That was the reason why I could go out.
She meant to me what a child means to his mother, even if a lot of people don't understand this love.I cry everytime I talk about her, or my mother says something about her, or makes a connection between her and my other cats, my face just falls and I get very serious and feel like a huge pression on my chest.I don't want to talk about that. I simply don't want. She was my little baby and she was mine.. And she will be only mine and I don't talk about her with anybody, I find it impossible.My eyes just roll in tears.
So I understand exactly how you feel. I know more than you can imagine. I might be oversensitive on this subject more than others, but this is my character and the way I grieve
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I was thinking about how Paris' tearful moment on stage at the memorial and how she is now. Perhaps the children did believe that their father was dead around that time. Maybe it was done that way to make sure the emotions were real..then afterwards the truth was revealed to them? Is MJ is behind the scenes telling them about Oprah(be careful what you say..speak in general terms but don't give out any information...etc) and how to behave and what to say for the interview(or any interviews for that matter). You could see that they weren't trying to go into much detail and Oprah couldn't press the issue because that would have just made her look like an ass.
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Hi Anna,
This is exactly why I posted this link for you on page 2:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
I do understand what you are saying, and I understand your pain when you lost your cat and that you are still hurting over it. THAT'S why I simply cannot understand the behaviour of Katherine and LaToya, only ONE month after Michael's 'funeral'. How on earth can you laugh and having a great time when you believe that your blood and flesh is murdered after being haunted and ridiculed of for so many years. I would be broken into a million pieces, not act like nothing has happened (like LaToya). Either they were still in shock and very much in denial, or Michael didn't die after all.
Hope you are feeling better soon.
I am going to make a confession here. My grandmother, who was my absolute best friend in the world, died a little over 11 years ago. I was talking about her yesterday in a session and broke down. Matter of fact, even after all of these years, I still can't talk about her without crying. That's what made me smile yesterday when I watched the interview with the kids. I do not see how all 3 of them, knowing MJ as their ONLY parent, were able to discuss him and their favorite memories of him, without atleast choking up a little bit. They just seemed way too happy and that doesn't seem normal given that they "lost" him only 17 months ago.
I tottaly feel you.. I know how it is.
I know the thing with "people grieve differently" but to a certain degree, after all. I simply can't understand how some people who lost someone close to them (mother, father, sister, son) would be so relaxed as the kids are while talking about their father.
I will tell you something too, but I am a person who grieves enormously after someone's death, death has horrified me since little child, probably I am a little more broken about this than many others, but in the end we all suffer.
Last year, on 27th of October, my little girl died (my cat). She got ill and in a week she died, at the age of 8. I must say that my animals are like they are my children, I love them enormously. Even when I write now about this I have tears in my eyes. My little girl died in my arms, in a hospital. That night I was like...impossible to describe. I was hurting so much that it was a physical pain. My mother was coming to me, trying to confort me but nothing in the world could do it, I just couldn't stop crying and get out of the shock of having her dead in my arms... It was on 27th of October, and on 30th of October I had tickets to go and see This is it, and all those 3 days I didn't go out of my room, I couldn't, I couldn't even go and sit in front of my computer, I was just standing there, on the couch, crying. The only reason why I really could go out was because I wanted to see Michael, to see the movie.That was the reason why I could go out.
She meant to me what a child means to his mother, even if a lot of people don't understand this love.I cry everytime I talk about her, or my mother says something about her, or makes a connection between her and my other cats, my face just falls and I get very serious and feel like a huge pression on my chest.I don't want to talk about that. I simply don't want. She was my little baby and she was mine.. And she will be only mine and I don't talk about her with anybody, I find it impossible.My eyes just roll in tears.
So I understand exactly how you feel. I know more than you can imagine. I might be oversensitive on this subject more than others, but this is my character and the way I grieve
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Hi Anna,
This is exactly why I posted this link for you on page 2:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
I do understand what you are saying, and I understand your pain when you lost your cat and that you are still hurting over it. THAT'S why I simply cannot understand the behaviour of Katherine and LaToya, only ONE month after Michael's 'funeral'. How on earth can you laugh and having a great time when you believe that your blood and flesh is murdered after being haunted and ridiculed of for so many years. I would be broken into a million pieces, not act like nothing has happened (like LaToya). Either they were still in shock and very much in denial, or Michael didn't die after all.
Hope you are feeling better soon.
I was in denial since June 25 2009 to december 2009 and for example the way I was behaving was in no way laughing my ass off, but absolutelly revolted, I had ups and downs from minute to minute. Now I was almost Ok, in the other moment I could break into pieces the window of my room. i was in denial and i was somehow realising it but couldn't accept his death
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Hi Anna,
This is exactly why I posted this link for you on page 2:
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
I do understand what you are saying, and I understand your pain when you lost your cat and that you are still hurting over it. THAT'S why I simply cannot understand the behaviour of Katherine and LaToya, only ONE month after Michael's 'funeral'. How on earth can you laugh and having a great time when you believe that your blood and flesh is murdered after being haunted and ridiculed of for so many years. I would be broken into a million pieces, not act like nothing has happened (like LaToya). Either they were still in shock and very much in denial, or Michael didn't die after all.
Hope you are feeling better soon.
Yeah, I watched it, thank you for that. I didn't see it before.I don't know how I missed it.
Thank you for your words too, sister. Yeah...I know. That's what I never understood, their behaviour.Sometimes I think "people grieve differently" but then, really that different? so yeah....the scale is always weighing.
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I was in denial since June 25 2009 to december 2009 and for example the way I was behaving was in no way laughing my ass off, but absolutelly revolted, I had ups and downs from minute to minute. Now I was almost Ok, in the other moment I could break into pieces the window of my room. i was in denial and i was somehow realising it but couldn't accept his death
Believe me, I understand, I still have my ups and downs and I will certainly not have judgement about the Jackson family or anyone else about how they must behave after the death of a beloved one because that's different for everyone. But the great time LaToya had???
I must admit I haven't watched the interview with Oprah from yesterday, maybe after seeing it I'm having a little breakdown too (which I don't expect after reading some comments about the interview, especially the new contradictions and the behaviour of the children, well, that gives me hope!)
I know it's selfish, but I do hope this adventure is coming to a climax real soon, because yes, it's hard sometimes!
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I was in denial since June 25 2009 to december 2009 and for example the way I was behaving was in no way laughing my ass off, but absolutelly revolted, I had ups and downs from minute to minute. Now I was almost Ok, in the other moment I could break into pieces the window of my room. i was in denial and i was somehow realising it but couldn't accept his death
Believe me, I understand, I still have my ups and downs and I will certainly not have judgement about the Jackson family or anyone else about how they must behave after the death of a beloved one because that's different for everyone. But the great time LaToya had???
I must admit I haven't watched the interview with Oprah from yesterday, maybe after seeing it I'm having a little breakdown too (which I don't expect after reading some comments about the interview, especially the new contradictions and the behaviour of the children, well, that gives me hope!)
I know it's selfish, but I do hope this adventure is coming to a climax real soon, because yes, it's hard sometimes!
I understand you so well
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I was in denial since June 25 2009 to december 2009 and for example the way I was behaving was in no way laughing my ass off, but absolutelly revolted, I had ups and downs from minute to minute. Now I was almost Ok, in the other moment I could break into pieces the window of my room. i was in denial and i was somehow realising it but couldn't accept his death
Believe me, I understand, I still have my ups and downs and I will certainly not have judgement about the Jackson family or anyone else about how they must behave after the death of a beloved one because that's different for everyone. But the great time LaToya had???
I must admit I haven't watched the interview with Oprah from yesterday, maybe after seeing it I'm having a little breakdown too (which I don't expect after reading some comments about the interview, especially the new contradictions and the behaviour of the children, well, that gives me hope!)
I know it's selfish, but I do hope this adventure is coming to a climax real soon, because yes, it's hard sometimes!
I understand you so well
Take care, we are in this TOGETHER!!
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You too. it's good somehow to know you're not alone
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I am going to make a confession here. My grandmother, who was my absolute best friend in the world, died a little over 11 years ago. I was talking about her yesterday in a session and broke down. Matter of fact, even after all of these years, I still can't talk about her without crying. That's what made me smile yesterday when I watched the interview with the kids. I do not see how all 3 of them, knowing MJ as their ONLY parent, were able to discuss him and their favorite memories of him, without atleast choking up a little bit. They just seemed way too happy and that doesn't seem normal given that they "lost" him only 17 months ago.
Thank you 4 your post - I thought I was crazy for feeling the same way about my grandma too (this May will be 5 years). MJ's children just seem too content and happy with everything... even Mrs. Jackson pointed out that MJ was their ONLY parent - the only one they knew their whole lives...I still get teary eyed and choked up when I THINK about my favorite memories with my grandma... L.O.V.E. to ALL!
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Thank you 4 your post - I thought I was crazy for feeling the same way about my grandma too (this May will be 5 years). MJ's children just seem too content and happy with everything... even Mrs. Jackson pointed out that MJ was their ONLY parent - the only one they knew their whole lives...I still get teary eyed and choked up when I THINK about my favorite memories with my grandma... L.O.V.E. to ALL!
I know what you mean. i passed through such experience too in my life. Only to think about a loved one of mine who had died, brings tears into my eyes again
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I believe Mrs. Jacksons tears were genuine and it breaks my heart so badly to see her sad. I love her so much. And I felt terrible watching the interview. But the question is why she was crying. She was crying for her son's "death" really? Remember what Paris said when she learned about her dad's "death". She said "Please don't go. Take me with you dad". Probably Michael had to leave them for a long time and they can not see him so often and this makes them miss him terribly. Even this situation can cause a mother cry. So, after all 17 months I believe that we need to hang on. I know that some of us are very depressed and saddened but sooner or later which I think it is going to happen soon, we are all going to learn the truth! We have come this far, so let's keep on believing and wait till everything ends. I'm so glad that I have you guys to share the feelings and opinions with. God bless you all.
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"Katherine explained how everyone at the hospital was reluctant to tell her what happened to her son."
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that MJ passed away at UCLA:
Hospital doctors are people who see death all the time. All it takes is for one of them to come out and say "I'm so sorry..." for everyone to get it. You know, like they do in movies. :) I doubt that no hospital doctor had the guts to do that... OK, they may have been sweating or tearing up because this is MJ, but still... Conrad Murray shouldn't be the one telling Katherine about her son - it should be one of the UCLA doctors who tried to save Jackson.
EXACTLY!!!! What is so interesting about all this is that NO ONE is following protocol---I realize Michael is a huge star, but you have to question how all this was handled. A "covered body" wrapped in "sheets" (there's those sheets again) leaves the house for the hospital (whoops!--- there goes the infamous "photo" of MJ in the ambulance :lol: ) then Murray tells Katherine MJ is gone - NOT the attending physician Dr. Cooper who called the T.O.D. and you have Jermaine notifying the press (again, not the attending physician)...and a death certificate that wasn't signed by either one of the doctors. :geek:
If the body that left the house was wrapped in sheets where did they come from? and who saw the body wrapped in sheets that told Joe? (again the ambulance photo was the only "sighting"/evidence of Michael being transported)
The photos leaked by TMZ (both sets) of where Michael supposedly "died" show a fully made bed. So who covered the body? and was it even uncovered at the hospital? did neither Dr. sign a death certificate because one was already done for "John Doe" wrapped in the sheets? :o
Murray telling Katherine is key...that information was purposely told in that interview. IMO
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Maybe Murray pulled off his mask and said "Hey Mom I'm dead".
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To hear her say that Murray told her was shocking. Never heard that scenario before the interview. And like the others who have lost loved ones here, I lost my son 14 years ago and to this day, I cannot sit and discuss his death without sadness and tears. That never goes away when you love someone, especially after a short 17 months. Natural death is hard enough, but when a loved one is snatched away with no goodbyes, that's a whole different kind of grief.
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To hear her say that Murray told her was shocking. Never heard that scenario before the interview. And like the others who have lost loved ones here, I lost my son 14 years ago and to this day, I cannot sit and discuss his death without sadness and tears. That never goes away when you love someone, especially after a short 17 months. Natural death is hard enough, but when a loved one is snatched away with no goodbyes, that's a whole different kind of grief.
I'm so sorry for your son. I don't have kids but I lost very close ones from family and friends and agree with you, the grief for a lost loved one never goes away. Big HUGS for you.
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I was thinking about how Paris' tearful moment on stage at the memorial and how she is now. Perhaps the children did believe that their father was dead around that time. Maybe it was done that way to make sure the emotions were real..then afterwards the truth was revealed to them? Is MJ is behind the scenes telling them about Oprah(be careful what you say..speak in general terms but don't give out any information...etc) and how to behave and what to say for the interview(or any interviews for that matter). You could see that they weren't trying to go into much detail and Oprah couldn't press the issue because that would have just made her look like an ass.
I think Michael told them sometime after the memorial because Paris looked genuinely sad and now with the Oprah interview they looked happy. What I thought that was really hilarious was when Blanket wiped his hand on his mouth before shaking her hand. :lol:
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I was thinking about how Paris' tearful moment on stage at the memorial and how she is now. Perhaps the children did believe that their father was dead around that time. Maybe it was done that way to make sure the emotions were real..then afterwards the truth was revealed to them? Is MJ is behind the scenes telling them about Oprah(be careful what you say..speak in general terms but don't give out any information...etc) and how to behave and what to say for the interview(or any interviews for that matter). You could see that they weren't trying to go into much detail and Oprah couldn't press the issue because that would have just made her look like an ass.
I think Michael told them sometime after the memorial because Paris looked genuinely sad and now with the Oprah interview they looked happy. What I thought that was really hilarious was when Blanket wiped his hand on his mouth before shaking her hand. :lol:
Can you post the video? I want to see that so bad!!!
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The stories are ALWAYS changing, no one ever told any of the Jacksons MJ was dead, so they make up a story when asked in an interview, then in other interviews, they forget their first story, so they make up another one! :lol:
Now, is this an intentional "slip-up" ? :D
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P.S., about the dialogue between LK and Frank Dileo, what's up with the fans telling Michael's 'friends' about his death? Apparently, fans called Joe and told him MJ died as well... :roll: :lol:
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I was thinking about how Paris' tearful moment on stage at the memorial and how she is now. Perhaps the children did believe that their father was dead around that time. Maybe it was done that way to make sure the emotions were real..then afterwards the truth was revealed to them? Is MJ is behind the scenes telling them about Oprah(be careful what you say..speak in general terms but don't give out any information...etc) and how to behave and what to say for the interview(or any interviews for that matter). You could see that they weren't trying to go into much detail and Oprah couldn't press the issue because that would have just made her look like an ass.
I think Michael told them sometime after the memorial because Paris looked genuinely sad and now with the Oprah interview they looked happy. What I thought that was really hilarious was when Blanket wiped his hand on his mouth before shaking her hand. :lol:
Can you post the video? I want to see that so bad!!!
Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXzby9_kJkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXzby9_kJkY)
around 4:43
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I was thinking about how Paris' tearful moment on stage at the memorial and how she is now. Perhaps the children did believe that their father was dead around that time. Maybe it was done that way to make sure the emotions were real..then afterwards the truth was revealed to them? Is MJ is behind the scenes telling them about Oprah(be careful what you say..speak in general terms but don't give out any information...etc) and how to behave and what to say for the interview(or any interviews for that matter). You could see that they weren't trying to go into much detail and Oprah couldn't press the issue because that would have just made her look like an ass.
I think Michael told them sometime after the memorial because Paris looked genuinely sad and now with the Oprah interview they looked happy. What I thought that was really hilarious was when Blanket wiped his hand on his mouth before shaking her hand. :lol:
Can you post the video? I want to see that so bad!!!
Here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXzby9_kJkY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXzby9_kJkY)
around 4:43
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I am going to make a confession here. My grandmother, who was my absolute best friend in the world, died a little over 11 years ago. I was talking about her yesterday in a session and broke down. Matter of fact, even after all of these years, I still can't talk about her without crying. That's what made me smile yesterday when I watched the interview with the kids. I do not see how all 3 of them, knowing MJ as their ONLY parent, were able to discuss him and their favorite memories of him, without atleast choking up a little bit. They just seemed way too happy and that doesn't seem normal given that they "lost" him only 17 months ago.
Right....especially after Oprah went along with the media as much as saying their dad was a child molester. Those kids LOVE their daddy and seems it would be impossible to be so polite to her now.
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Did you all notice how Katherine prompted Prince and Paris to tell Oprah what they want to be when they grow up ????
Also, I must say, this is a huge image restoration for Michael
Can Joe be charge with child abuse after all these years???????????
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To hear her say that Murray told her was shocking. Never heard that scenario before the interview. And like the others who have lost loved ones here, I lost my son 14 years ago and to this day, I cannot sit and discuss his death without sadness and tears. That never goes away when you love someone, especially after a short 17 months. Natural death is hard enough, but when a loved one is snatched away with no goodbyes, that's a whole different kind of grief.
I am so sorry, hesouttamylife! I can't imagine. God Bless.
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SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG GUYS!!!!! SERIOUSLY, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GIVE UP WHEN KATHERINE GAVE THE CONFLICTING STORY ABOUT WHO TOLD HER MJ PASSED. I mean come on!!!!! Dileo tells L.K. that he told Momma Katherine???? Momma katherine can't remember who told her that the biggest superstar ever to walk this earth (her son) died?????
And yes I do realize her age but please!!!!!NOBODY should forget who told them, where they were, and what they were doing when MJ died!!!! Nobody!!!!
We need to get Katherine and Dileo in one room side by s 8-) ide
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SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG GUYS!!!!! SERIOUSLY, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GIVE UP WHEN KATHERINE GAVE THE CONFLICTING STORY ABOUT WHO TOLD HER MJ PASSED. I mean come on!!!!! Dileo tells L.K. that he told Momma Katherine???? Momma katherine can't remember who told her that the biggest superstar ever to walk this earth (her son) died?????
And yes I do realize her age but please!!!!!NOBODY should forget who told them, where they were, and what they were doing when MJ died!!!! Nobody!!!!
We need to get Katherine and Dileo in one room side by s 8-) ide
I agree.
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No, something is terribly right.
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To hear her say that Murray told her was shocking. Never heard that scenario before the interview. And like the others who have lost loved ones here, I lost my son 14 years ago and to this day, I cannot sit and discuss his death without sadness and tears. That never goes away when you love someone, especially after a short 17 months. Natural death is hard enough, but when a loved one is snatched away with no goodbyes, that's a whole different kind of grief.
I know exactly what you mean.... Natural death is somehow different to accept. My grandmother died in August this year, and she was 89 years old.. We all knew she was old, and you cannot stop human nature..Even then, it was very painful. But when death occurs when it should not occur and at such a young age, it's unbearable.
I was talking with my mother around that period, when my grandmother fell ill, and I was sad and crying, and she told me "I know it's hard....we cannot stop the nature. Think that she lived well and that she's 89 years old.. At one moment the unavoidable had to happen...The most painful is when death occurs at ages when it sould not occur.. Then it is shocking and more painful than anything."
I am sorry for your loss....I'm with you..
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:cry: :cry: :cry: thanks guys
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Hugs to you....