Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: mjboogie on January 27, 2010, 11:52:15 AM
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Guys I am just wondering. Does anyone here think that the Mafia may have something to do with MJ? Like isnt Tommy Mottola, Malnik, and Brett Ratner somehow involved in the Mafia? Just wondering, throwing it out here. Because wasnt Tommy really mad when MJ spoke out against him. Do we have any interviews with Tommy commenting on MJ's speech? :shock:
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I don't think that the Mafia has any inplication in Michael's life....the Mafia is too dangerous for him.That's how I think.
If someone involved in Mafia has a relationship whit Michael, Michael took care to get rid of that person. He did it with Tommy Motolla and with many others people.
Now is somewhere, and if he has someone by his side, that someone is a true friend.He needs a true friend to help him to stay back a while. :?
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People threatened by mafia often get involved in witness protection programs, though...
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People threatened by mafia often get involved in witness protection programs, though...
Exactly. I've been pondering that complete idea but I didn't know how to bring it up. :?
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i found this about Malnik possibly have ties with the mafia
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/ ... el_jac.php (http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2009/06/the_malnik_familys_michael_jac.php)
Poor Poor Michael. :D I love him. I wish he would have had 1, just 1, good loyal friend who would have gone with him the extra mile. :cry:
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Didnt someone say MJ owed a debt to a royal family in Bahrain? I mean or that he had a music contract and some prince of Bahrain allowed MJ to stay with him after the trials? IDK just putting it out here. For some reason I can see how Tommy Mottola could somehow be linked to the mafia.
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I saw a video where Tommy was talking after MJ-death and HE WAS SOOO CALM...relaxed one could say..suspicious..
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It has been reported for many decades that the Mafia has a firm hand within the entertainment business. My favorite movie ...Godfather...made clear connections between the Mafia and celebrities.
I saw the same video and Tommy was too calm and smooth for my taste. It was pretty creepy to watch. Does anyone know if Tommy ever gave interviews during MJs public criticism of him. If so, I'd like to read or see them. If a person is being publicly criticized and they are innocent then I would expect the person to speak up. However, if they are guilty I would expect the person to sit quietly in hopes that the criticism would go away. Tommy is a heavy weight in the music business. I do know that Russell Simmons came to his defense. Some others may have but i cannot recall their names.
I saw a video where Tommy was talking after MJ-death and HE WAS SOOO CALM...relaxed one could say..suspicious..
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GirlSaturday » Thu Jan 28, 2010 3:53 pm
It has been reported for many decades that the Mafia has a firm hand within the entertainment business. My favorite movie ...Godfather...made clear connections between the Mafia and celebrities.
I saw the same video and Tommy was too calm and smooth for my taste. It was pretty creepy to watch. Does anyone know if Tommy ever gave interviews during MJs public criticism of him. If so, I'd like to read or see them. If a person is being publicly criticized and they are innocent then I would expect the person to speak up. However, if they are guilty I would expect the person to sit quietly in hopes that the criticism would go away. Tommy is a heavy weight in the music business. I do know that Russell Simmons came to his defense. Some others may have but i cannot recall their names.
MichaelJackson123 wrote:
I saw a video where Tommy was talking after MJ-death and HE WAS SOOO CALM...relaxed one could say..suspicious..
Yes, I agree. I had a minister who was once part of the music industry shared this. He didn't go in much detail but did say that he noticed mafia involved in the music industry that he was involved in at one time.
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People threatened by mafia often get involved in witness protection programs, though...
Xactly
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Well, I´ve been wondering for months why noone in media has addressed the fact that Michael was involved with the Las Vegas mob - he and two of his brothers. (Don´t know which ones, but I´ll take a guess that Jermaine is one of them). Most of Michael´s bodyguards came from the mob and quite a few of the shady characters he surrounded himself with.
In the end of the 90´s Michael signed a contract with the mafia giving them total control of his finances.
He needed his career back on track again and so did something that he most likely came to regret.
After what I´ve heard, he owed them a lot of money.
So, based on that info, whatever happened on the 25th June COULD be linked to the mafia. Or not :)
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Well, I´ve been wondering for months why noone in media has addressed the fact that Michael was involved with the Las Vegas mob - he and two of his brothers. (Don´t know which ones, but I´ll take a guess that Jermaine is one of them). Most of Michael´s bodyguards came from the mob and quite a few of the shady characters he surrounded himself with.
In the end of the 90´s Michael signed a contract with the mafia giving them total control of his finances.
He needed his career back on track again and so did something that he most likely came to regret.
After what I´ve heard, he owed them a lot of money.
So, based on that info, whatever happened on the 25th June COULD be linked to the mafia. Or not :)
Actually there have been some articles on that, such as:
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/ ... el_jac.php (http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2009/06/the_malnik_familys_michael_jac.php)
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Oh thanks, hadn´t seen that.
It´s just too bad Michael hooked up with those guys.
"If you play with fire....." :(
If this IS a hoax, then the mob are the only ones (apart from the Feds) who could pull it through.
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Oh thanks, hadn´t seen that.
It´s just too bad Michael hooked up with those guys.
"If you play with fire....." :(
If this IS a hoax, then the mob are the only ones (apart from the Feds) who could pull it through.
It is more likely the other way around, that they were drawn to him/his influence/his assets. Surrounded by leeches. Whenever there is money involved, you will come across such people and eventually you cannot trust anyone anymore. Money is the root of all evil, like MJ said
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Yes....hrm....but the Mafia is not exactly short of money. And it´s one thing having them around, another thing doing business with them.
I have a feeling that Joe Jackson was involved with the Mafia from the very beginning. And he provided Michael with bodyguards. If it was a "family thing", then MJ grew up with those guys. Could it be?
Just thought of the scene in TII when he does Smoothe Criminal and breaks away from..the gangsters?
Pretty significant.
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Dam. so are we saying MJ was murdered by the mafia? :cry: I mean let us just assume this for a few minutes then how are Murray and AEG connected? And i had no idea that Joe knows the mafia (notice he lives in Vegas?) and that he introduced MJ to members for bodyguards.
Also.....is it just me or has his brother (greasy hair Jermaine) introduced MJ to some weird weird people from other countries? ANd what ethnicity is Jermaine's wife? I mean just trying to connect the dots (if there are any dots to connect) :cry: The more and more I think of all this it does seem like Money is somehow someway at the bottom of it.
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And how do we know MJ signed all of his financial assets over to the mafia? Would he even do such a thing? :?
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Well, if anyone is mafioso... it's Frank DiLeo! Especially when he talks with that cigar! :? :lol: ;)
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OK, no disrespect intended, but Michael did not distance himself from people involved in the mob. Frank DiLeo for example, in the end Mike broght him back. He had a reputation for being involved with the Gambino family and LA Crime scene. I did my Homework on this right after Michael passed. (or at the time beleived that he had) I had my suspisions. Here is what I found.
Food for thought:
1. Frank DiLeo was good friends with Joe Isgro. Jo Isgro was conected to the Gambino family (Mob in NY)
2. Jo Isgro produced several of Latoya's songs.
3. Jo Isgro is currently a member of the "Los Angeles crime Famiy"
4. DiLeo was hired in 79 by Walter Yetnikoff
5. Yetnikoff was a key protagonist of the 1990 book Hit Men: Powerbrokers and Fast Money Inside the Music Business, Frederic Dannen's landmark exposé of the shady dealings of the American Music Business
6. Frank was hired in 1984 AFTER THRILLER to take over Michael's career.
7. He produced: Moonwalker, 3 PEPSI COMMERCIALS, negotiated the endorcement deals with Pepsi. 8 music videos, and the Bad tour.
8. Michael fired him in Feb. 1989, with no real explination???? and rehired him 10 years latter? Although Tomone was his manager? I know Mike said he was afraid of Tomone but, Frank was not much better.
check this out.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...eback-concerts (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009...eback-concerts)
yet more problems for Michael.
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How many mobsters are involved in the Masons?
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I am not suggesting MJ was in the mafia himself. But there are a lot of indications that they were circling around him, trying to get hold of his assets. Wherever there is money involved, you will come across such people. Not saying he was murdered either, but there may have been an attempt to murder him. Hence increased security before 25th June etc. etc. On many occasions -spanning at least a period of 10 yrs- he made it clear to several people that he feared for his life and that of his children too: e.g. to dieter wiesner, to rev. jude gaitlin, to his siblings.
Panicing phonecall to Dieter Wiesner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAv-ezEIKE4&feature=related)
On top of that, there have been death threats to him and his family before. The FBI just released 333 pages of their files on MJ, revealing death threats to MJ himself, his family and mass death threats to his fans during a concert, comparable to a terrorist attack. Remember, the concerts were only moments away from June 25th...
The money is 'locked away' now in the trustfund/MJ Estate so it is much harder to gain access to through extortion or death threats. The ambulance pictures seem authentic to me. Whether he survived or not, murder or attempted murder, remains the question. Murray may have served as a fall guy. Such circumstances could justify a Witness Protection Program. In any case, there will be a huge investigation, no matter whether it was homocide or attempted homocide.
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(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9711/046xh.jpg)
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I hate that picture. :( And when you hear Michael on those tapes saying he's scared of Tohme, it breaks my heart. I just hope that he's in some sort of witness protection program, safe and sound.
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And how do we know MJ signed all of his financial assets over to the mafia? Would he even do such a thing? :?
I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal.
I am, too, trying to figure out why MJ would do such a thing. But look at it this way: he had barely "survived" (mentally) the accusations, his reputation was severely damaged and his marriage failed. He was on medications, trying to dull the pain. Something had to be done to get him back on top and I don´t think he had the strength to do it himself.
As far as I understand, the Mafia promised to help MJ IF he signed that deal. They would get a huge interest and Michael would yet again be the one and only superstar!! The revenue från Invinceable would pay the Mafia for their effort. Now, the album didn´t sell well and MJ suddenly owed "the shady guys" quite a lot of money. NOT a good thing if you deal with the Mob....
I wonder if Thome was just one of the debtcollectors, making sure MJ fulfilled his obligations?
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Awful picture. There is also a connection between Tohme and the company that bought Neverland. In phoneconversations that rev. J. Gaitlin made public, MJ claimed that Tohme had taken over all his business decisions and was standing in between him and his people, that he did not know what was going on anymore and felt isolated and afraid. MJ was 'deathly afraid' of Tohme, as Gaitlin calls it. Frank Dileo claimed in a public interview that MJ even authorised Tohme to sign cheques for money.
And so, MJ fired Tohme, just a month before he 'disappeared'. Security is raised. Doubled, tripled, quadroupled. Joe Jackson also claims that he was being kept away from MJ the last weeks and that MJ was being isolated. Then Tohme curiously showed up again with Jermaine at the announcement at the hospital which is strange, considering he was recently fired. In addition Tohme is said to have fired the staff right after the 25th happenings. The Estate claimed several millions back from Tohme that he had been 'savekeeping' supposedly for a house that MJ was interested in buying (the missing money from the house?). How did Tohme get so much influence on MJ's business and assets?
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Well, you know, I think Thome IS the guy who signed the contract in the 90´s. But he has been behind the curtain, so noone knew about him. The mob got impatient and demanded their money back and the only way it could be done since MJ refused to sell his investments, was for him to go back to work.
I think they came up with the idea to do the concerts. And I think the mob/Thome took a decision that Michael had to do 50 concerts in order to pay them back. Thome "surfaced" and was suddenly out in the open, constantly checking up on Michael since this was his last chance to fix his debts. (Check him out during the 02 Press Conference, only a meter away from MJ wherever he goes.)
I think Michael felt threatened by Thome. But actually, the guy just claimed his money back. I don´t think MJ fired him - I don´t think he COULD, he was stuck with him - because according to an article in a magazine I found in LA right after MJ:s death, one of the things found in his bedroom after his death was Thome´s businesscard, stuck on the bathroom mirror.
Then what happened - I haven´t got a clue.
Did they realize MJ would never be able to do the concerts and decided to have him killed by a fall guy?
Or did they decide to hoax his death to get the big money coming in?
Whatever happened, I think Jermaine was in on it. My contacts tell me there is another brother involved, I don´t know who it is, though. (I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?)
Oh, the above is just me thinking out loud :D No facts!
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(I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?)
What do you mean by "gone?"
You mean like coo coo for cocoa puffs "gone?" Or some other "gone?"
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Makes sense. Another option is that medical staff managed to save him at UCLA, and it was immediately decided to put him under protection, e.g. in a WPP.
The way that that much influence over his business and assets could have been gained, is for instance how it was done before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjK7_Hx ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjK7_HxIAw&feature=channel)
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(I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?)
What do you mean by "gone?"
You mean like coo coo for cocoa puffs "gone?" Or some other "gone?"
:lol: Oh, sorry....no, I meant that he wasn´t with the rest of the family any more. They haven´t seen him for quite a while. Just wondered if it was a rumour or if he is indeed...."somewhere else with SOMEONE else" ;)
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(I heard that Randy is "gone", is that true?)
What do you mean by "gone?"
You mean like coo coo for cocoa puffs "gone?" Or some other "gone?"
:lol: Oh, sorry....no, I meant that he wasn´t with the rest of the family any more. They haven´t seen him for quite a while. Just wondered if it was a rumour or if he is indeed...."somewhere else with SOMEONE else" ;)
Oh, I get it . Thanks for clearing that up. :)
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Randy and Michael were close
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Makes sense. Another option is that medical staff managed to save him at UCLA, and it was immediately decided to put him under protection, e.g. in a WPP.
The way that that much influence over his business and assets could have been gained, is for instance how it was done before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjK7_Hx ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NjK7_HxIAw&feature=channel)
Makes a lot of sense, too. I think that Jermaine, Thome and the mob are the REAL clues to this enigma.
It´s all for M.O.N.E.Y. :?
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Wow....very enlightening thread we have here!!
Keep it up!! I wanna hear more!
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I forgot to ask.....MJ had a house in Vegas...what happened to that? I thought it was up for sale awhile back....
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I forgot to ask.....MJ had a house in Vegas...what happened to that? I thought it was up for sale awhile back....
It was sold to a fan.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4343&start=0&hilit=fan+las+vegas
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I forgot to ask.....MJ had a house in Vegas...what happened to that? I thought it was up for sale awhile back....
It was sold to a fan.
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=4343&start=0&hilit=fan+las+vegas
Got it!! Thanks!
Nice crib MJ!!!
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It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges, and that MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.
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About that picture
I def. do NOT like that picture :shock: You see MJ's face like he's very mad, and that man who grabs his arm..... I don't like it ... AT ALL! :?
That guy grabbing him is Tohme
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Tohme can go suck a big one..
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It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges. MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.
Now THAT I heard about....and somehow it didnt shock me at all....What shocked me is how on God's green earth MJ EVER got tied in with these people....
And which molestation charge?
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It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges, and that MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.
Ok, now I'm really lost.
If this is the case - Malnik linked with the mafia & possibly behind the molestation charges - then how would we be seeing video of Paris hanging out with them at their home if Michael is alive? :?
When the situation is THAT dangerous, you don't let your kids go play with the mafia kids next door just cuz they used to be friends...
If Michael is alive, he can't really be that involved with the children as I doubt he would be ok with the kids being with them.
I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks?
Just had a thought:
If MJ had to go into hiding because of these people, do you think it's possible that the video of Paris with the Malniks was "leaked" to let Michael know that they have access to the kids and so he shouldn't do anything "stupid?" :(
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Im getting kinda freaked out right now....
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It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges. MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.
Now THAT I heard about....and somehow it didnt shock me at all....What shocked me is how on God's green earth MJ EVER got tied in with these people....
And which molestation charge?
My answer to your underlined question would be that Michael, I think, was a very sweet and too much of a trusting fellow. He reminds me in many ways of my own brother and since yall don't know him this sentence is kinda unnecessary. lol :lol:
Anywho seriously though if you read Aphrodite's book you can really see how Michael was very sweet yet vunerable.
People say oh Michael was a shrewd businessman. I don't doubt that Michael was a brilliant talented man but there were people who worked for him that if Michael succeeded, his employees succeeded as well. If they could make more money offa Michael going down, then they would try to see to that too. Make sense?
Which is why if you watch either part 1 or part 2 of Michael's interview with brett ratner Michael says somethign to the effect that the artist does not work for the record company rather the record company works for the artist.
So if Michael was in some kinda trouble, these people probably lured Michael into making him think they were good people and that they would help him so Michael trusted in them, only to be let down or overly controlled by such as the people we speak of. Which breaks my entire heart right down to each corner and back. :cry:
Just like with Neverland, someone was gonna buy it when Michael almost lost it. But the person who bought it didn't do it for free. I believe he was expected to be owed something from Michael. I forget the story now. :?
Im getting kinda freaked out right now....
We shouldn't freak out. We just have to pray and hope that Michael is safe from these terrible people. :oops: :cry:
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And which molestation charge?
The child molestation charges of the 2005 trial.
Mottola and MJ also had their history, involving Sony/The Beatles Catalogue/Racist issues.
Racist issues had to do with the rights of black artists:
Anti-racist speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4NwrMtgw8&feature=related)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46rNWYqVRg&feature=related)
MJ vs Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4&feature=related)
And so on...
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It goes even deeper. The article about Malnik I posted previously also describes how MJ suspected Malnik/Mottola were behind the criminal child molestation charges, and that MJ believed Malnik to represent the mafia. Brett Ratner is mentioned as Malnik's protege.
Ok, now I'm really lost.
If this is the case - Malnik linked with the mafia & possibly behind the molestation charges - then how would we be seeing video of Paris hanging out with them at their home if Michael is alive? :?
When the situation is THAT dangerous, you don't let your kids go play with the mafia kids next door just cuz they used to be friends...
If Michael is alive, he can't really be that involved with the children as I doubt he would be ok with the kids being with them.
I'm interested to hear what everyone else thinks?
Just had a thought:
If MJ had to go into hiding because of these people, do you think it's possible that the video of Paris with the Malniks was "leaked" to let Michael know that they have access to the kids and so he shouldn't do anything "stupid?" :(
Not if they think he is dead. Can you show which video you are referring to and when it was dated?
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Im getting kinda freaked out right now....
How come?
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And which molestation charge?
The child molestation charges of the 2005 trial.
Mottola and MJ also had their history, involving Sony/The Beatles Catalogue/Racist issues.
Racist issues had to do with the rights of black artists:
Anti-racist speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4NwrMtgw8&feature=related)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46rNWYqVRg&feature=related)
MJ vs Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4&feature=related)
And so on...
I remember the racist issues and MJ calling Mottola the Devil. And now that Im thinking about it, I seem to remember a little snippet somewhere on the old MJKIT forum about Tommy being involved somehow to bring MJ down with the trial of 2005.
And Im freaked out a little cus this is probably the most legit reason why he had to fake his death. I always had a thought in my head that this had soemthing to do with the mafia, but I never really thought about it......cus I didnt want to.
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Sorry Virgo...Im posting the vid that Raven is asking about...I hope you dont mind.
EDIT: I dont know when this was posted or when it was filmed. Apparently the original was taken down but someone else posted it cus they saved it.
[youtube:3ttfgtar]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuJKD6qMx4&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3ttfgtar]
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And which molestation charge?
The child molestation charges of the 2005 trial.
Mottola and MJ also had their history, involving Sony/The Beatles Catalogue/Racist issues.
Racist issues had to do with the rights of black artists:
Anti-racist speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4NwrMtgw8&feature=related)
MJ vs SONY/Mottola 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46rNWYqVRg&feature=related)
MJ vs Mottola (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGCZUT9DG4&feature=related)
And so on...
I remember the racist issues and MJ calling Mottola the Devil. And now that Im thinking about it, I seem to remember a little snippet somewhere on the old MJKIT forum about Tommy being involved somehow to bring MJ down with the trial of 2005.
And Im freaked out a little cus this is probably the most legit reason why he had to fake his death. I always had a thought in my head that this had soemthing to do with the mafia, but I never really thought about it......cus I didnt want to.
Yes...and the thing is most of these things can be proven, facts, Michael speaking himself.
It is hard to imagine what tremendous emotional burden that man had to carry: being idolised, being followed around everywhere, surrounded by leeches/ the mafia, the child molestation charges, the pressure of This Is It and so on.
Murray's role is yet unclear. He could have been the fall guy, it could have been an accident, but he could also have been MJ's ticket to freedom.
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Sorry Virgo...Im posting the vid that Raven is asking about...I hope you dont mind.
EDIT: I dont know when this was posted or when it was filmed. Apparently the original was taken down but someone else posted it cus they saved it.
Thanks :) Judging by her age, it seems recent. But how can you be sure it was with/ at the Malnik's?
Concerning that 'grab'-pic posted above, this is it's context I stumbled upon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr3Kw&feature=related)
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Sorry Virgo...Im posting the vid that Raven is asking about...I hope you dont mind.
EDIT: I dont know when this was posted or when it was filmed. Apparently the original was taken down but someone else posted it cus they saved it.
Thanks :) Judging by her age, it seems recent. But how can you be sure it was with/ at the Malnik's?
Concerning that 'grab'-pic posted above, this is it's context I stumbled upon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr3Kw&feature=related)
I dont know how the person who posted the vid knows it was at the Malniks...here is the thread. viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4384 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4384)
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What a coincidence...mention the Malniks and within hours this video shows up
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Ha! me again the original poster of this highly engaging thread. But I would just like to say also that u know MJ relayed to more than one person that he feared for his life and his kids life. Why would he say that? Seriously I wonder have the investigators thought about this? I wonder did he relay this to his familY? I know Dick Gregory said it as well as MJ' former manager (the same one that went on ET and was talking about how MJ trashed a hotel room once), and Judith the spiritual advisor. :cry: Seems as if his cries for help were ignored. and IF MJ has really died I do indeed feel like there is much more to this than some doc and some drugs . I like many of u here am starting to feel like there had to be some type of THREAT hanging over MJ's head. I dont know about Mottolla wanting revenge now because honestly if he was behind the 2005 trials then he took MJ through the ringer with that! For some reason there is something that does not sit right with me concerning this Thome guy. Also...Jermaine and Thome know each other well. And also Jermaine is the one that introduced Thome to MJ :evil: which means maybe something was in the deal for Jermaine? SOme may say brother against brother )it does happen money is the root of all evil and possibly will make some turn against family member just as drugs.
The thing we need to question on this subject IF and i do mean IF MJ was indeed murdered is HOW , HOW, would it tie into all of this. For example we need to examine if there would be any connection with AEG, LAPD, and Mafia. Is Tommy somehow affiliated with LAPD? Tom Sneddon (are LAPD really out to solve this or could they not give a shit! ) IF Murray is the fall guy then how and who would be connected. Murray ties into who? This is really bugging me as you can tell because June 25th I believe more happened than we have been told. ANd when you listen to Jermaine's latest interview about MJ and concerning the Government? IDK :?
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Thank you SO much for starting this thread, mjboogie.
When I found out about MJ:s involvment with the mob half a year ago I tried to bring it up on different forums and in meatspace but was laughed at :) And yet my gutfeeling told me from day one that this was it! Especially when a friend - at that time dating one of the Vegas guys - told me that the first thing her friend said when he heard about Michaels´death was: "Oh, they got him, did they?!"
He was absolutely convinced that he had been murdered but didn´t want to speak about it.
So I am glad this is out in the open now, I really enjoy this thread :)
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Very interesting thread. I do however have a little problem with the following:
Most of our 'knowledge' about Tohme was presented by the main stream media, please keep that in mind.
Gone too soon, I have absolutely no intentions to discredit you, but we have been told a lot by 'people who know people who know the truth'. I hope you don't mind, but I can't take 'hear say' for truth. You wrote "The revenue från Invinceable would pay the Mafia for their effort. Now, the album didn´t sell well and MJ suddenly owed "the shady guys" quite a lot of money. ".
FACT: Mike's 'financial crisis' was based on ONLY three of his assets:
The MIJAC catalogue
The Sony/ATV catalogue
Neverland Valley Ranch
During the trial it became crystal clear that Mike had not provided all of his bank statements and ledgers to the prosecution. Mike's estimated debt of $224 million in 2003 was based on INCOMPLETE information. The calculations on Mike's debt by the forensic accountant, produced by the prosecution, were crushed by Tom Mesereau during cross examination, and in the end the expert testified that Mike had never gone bankrupt and that it was entirely possible that Mike could solve his "liquidity problems' in just one day.
Keeping this in mind, I'm having a hard time believing Mike would have been entangled in the nets of the mafia for financial reasons.
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Mjboogie, his familymembers also suspect foul play. Recall Joe, LaToya and Janet saying this in interviews. I am confident they made this more than clear to the investigators and the family has also mentioned that they were content with the way the investigation was being handled. LaToya also stated in an interview with Barbara Walters (sp.?) that Michael numerous times said to her that he was concerned they were going to kill him and 'if i am dead, they have murdered me'.
What is strange again, is that in that very interview she also states that because of that, she immediately suspected Michael was murdered. Then WHY did the family not have the house sealed for criminal investigation and WHY did they go and take things and contaminate the possible crime scene?
Most of our 'knowledge' about Tohme was presented by the main stream media, please keep that in mind.
True. However we do know what Michael's stand towards Tohme was through the phone recordings J. Gaitlin made public. It would not be too hard, with some research, to back the other 'knowledge' up with hard facts.
Mainstream media information ought to be taken with a grain of salt ofcourse, but it can be useful to gain an overall view. Interesting information can subsequently be verified by more trustworthy sources.
It would go too far to research all Michael's contacts as suggested to find a motive. There are many people who might have had a motive. It's an impossible task to find the kind of information intelligence services would gladly get their hands on. One will end up in a quicksand swamp of relations, connections, business transactions and in the end, it will not answer the question to what happened exactly at 25th June.
What we do have for information are the official documents concerning the investigation: e. g. the searchwarrants, death certificate. These will come closest to the truth to my opinion, but so far there have been few fora where these documents have been throughly reviewed. What was found in the house, what do the codes mean, what was Murray suspected of, timeline etc etc.
As I mentioned earlier, Murray's role is also unclear.
Yes, it could have been an accident. He could have been a fall guy. In these cases it is possible that UCLA medical staff managed to resuscitate Michael.
Another option nobody seems to consider, is that he could have helped Michael xscape from the situation he was in. It is unclear what went on in the house around 25th of June, and if Michael was under someone's influence and was indeed being isolated as his family/Joe/Gaitlin/fans and others say, he needed to get out of there. An injection with a substance like propofol would knock Michael out and justify his transfer (escape) out of the house and to UCLA.
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http://site2.mjeol.com/video/video-nbc- ... -life.html (http://site2.mjeol.com/video/video-nbc-devastating-audio-of-jackson-trying-to-get-tohme-tohme-out-of-his-life.html)
wheres the picture where some bald guy (I think it is tohme tohme) who is literally twisting Michael's upper arm? Although I can't prove it to be tohme of course.
I agree with Mo. I wanna be careful in what I take as fact especially coming from the media because obviously they are the ones who report Michael to be gone..
Edit:
(http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9711/046xh.jpg)
Sorry not bald. But still twisting his arm. :cry:
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http://site2.mjeol.com/video/video-nbc-devastating-audio-of-jackson-trying-to-get-tohme-tohme-out-of-his-life.html
wheres the picture where some bald guy (I think it is tohme tohme) who is literally twisting Michael's upper arm? Although I can't prove it to be tohme of course.
Sorry not bald. But still twisting his arm. :cry:
The man twisting his arm is Tohme, here is a video of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzDGVbr3Kw&feature=related)
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Then if MJ stated these things to Latoya THEY? Who was MJ referring to? I wonder did he ever state who THEY were to LAtoya? Mafia? IDK this is quite interesting never the less don't know if we will know the truth. All I know is like you said if foul play is expected then you are right LAPD should have sealed the scene initially , but we know they did not. This action is bringing me to the conclusion that somehow LAPD is connected, no doubt. Has to be! But as Mo previously stated I dont believe that MJ was in financial stress as the media keeps letting on! But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone? :( I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ? Hmmmmm we have JOe, Latoya, and Janet screaming foul play. even mamma Katherine saying something aint right so I am still trying to make the connection what do ya think. I will list key players (if murder)
A) Tommy Mottolla
B) Thome
C) AEG
D)LAPD
** Remember we here about dishonesty in the police forces all the time right? DID LAPD want MJ dead? :cry:
I am still with the theory of Hoax or Murder because there is no way this case should drag out as long as it has if there is clearly only one person under investigation right.?
I MEAN SERIOUSLY HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO MAKE A DECISION WEATHER TO PROSECUTE? :evil:
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^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:
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Then if MJ stated these things to Latoya THEY? Who was MJ referring to? I wonder did he ever state who THEY were to LAtoya? Mafia? IDK this is quite interesting never the less don't know if we will know the truth. All I know is like you said if foul play is expected then you are right LAPD should have sealed the scene initially , but we know they did not. This action is bringing me to the conclusion that somehow LAPD is connected, no doubt. Has to be! But as Mo previously stated I dont believe that MJ was in financial stress as the media keeps letting on! But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone? :( I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ? Hmmmmm we have JOe, Latoya, and Janet screaming foul play. even mamma Katherine saying something aint right so I am still trying to make the connection what do ya think. I will list key players (if murder)
A) Tommy Mottolla
B) Thome
C) AEG
D)LAPD
** Remember we here about dishonesty in the police forces all the time right? DID LAPD want MJ dead? :cry:
I am still with the theory of Hoax or Murder because there is no way this case should drag out as long as it has if there is clearly only one person under investigation right.?
I MEAN SERIOUSLY HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO MAKE A DECISION WEATHER TO PROSECUTE? :evil:
Like the family said, most likely several people were behind it
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^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:
No, he resigned in 2007.
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^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:
No, he resigned in 2007.
Good. I never really understood the gravity of the part he played in making Michael's life miserable intil I read Aphrodite's book. Yeah I really have a deep *sigh* disgust for "D.S."
Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?
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Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?
No...not at all.
For some people, it is not enough for them to knock a person down. They are not satisfied until they can keep that person down.
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What bothers me about the possible mafia involvement is that he was telling people that "they're trying to kill me" I suppose the question is who was they and why did Michael have such a fear of these people. He said they, so it was obviously more than one that he feared.
A few of us here have been researching this topic. Looking into Michael and his connections with the Mottola's, Tohme etc. Under (Conrad Murray Did not kill Michael Jackson) We found some interesting things that is worth looking into. It would be great to see what others think.
I believe there is a possibility that Murray was the fall guy. Maybe thats why nothing has happened to him yet.
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Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?
No...not at all.
For some people, it is not enough for them to knock a person down. They are not satisfied until they can keep that person down.
I hear you GirlSaturday...
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What bothers me about the possible mafia involvement is that he was telling people that "they're trying to kill me" I suppose the question is who was they and why did Michael have such a fear of these people. He said they, so it was obviously more than one that he feared.
A few of us here have been researching this topic. Looking into Michael and his connections with the Mottola's, Tohme etc. Under (Conrad Murray Did not kill Michael Jackson) We found some interesting things that is worth looking into. It would be great to see what others think.
I believe there is a possibility that Murray was the fall guy. Maybe thats why nothing has happened to him yet.
The Malnicks also have connections here too.. with Mottola and the Mafia.
Al Malnik is doing some serious spinning in the world press right now in regard to Michael Jackson.
He's been quoted in several publications about regarding his "friendship" with Jackson, saying that he's godfather to the pop king's youngest son, Blanket, and that, last Malnik knew, he was executor of his estate. Yesterday, Malnik's wife, Nancy, executed a photo dump on her Facebook page as a tribute to the late star. The photos show Malnik and his family with Jackson in 2003.
Here's how the Daily Mail characterized Malnik's relationship with Jackson in its story regarding the new photographs:
In pictures taken from the same party, Jackson and his children are allegedly pictured with the children of close friends Al and Nancy Malnik.The 76-year-old American millionaire has triplets Jarod, Spencer and Nathan, who are now 11. Mr Malnik had been friends with the singer for more than ten years and the singer stayed with him at the height of the child abuse scandals. Jackson is godfather to Spencer, who is understood to be featured in the pictures sitting on the steps of Mr Malnik's Miami mansion with Paris.
This is laughable. The two men were indeed friends at one time, but there's a reason the photographs date all the way back to 2003. The two men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who has known Mafia ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky, was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to half the Beatles catalog of songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion dollars.
The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of intrigue himself from the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson administration and spent years working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had met with Jackson in 2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy involving Sony's Tommy Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over his assets.
"According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion..."
I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with Jackson at Neverland Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's brother Jermaine and that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was behind the criminal child molestation charges. The ultimate goal was to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't have to face prison time.
Novel said he flew in March 2005, about a month into Jackson's trial, from his home in New Orleans to the Los Angeles home owned by Jackson's parents, where he stayed several days before Jackson finally had him over to Neverland Valley. He said the two of them met in a bungalow on the property before Jackson drove him around the ranch in an old pickup truck.
"The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel told me. "Mottola and him were at odds, and Jackson's information was that Mottola and Malnik got together to fuck him. He said he believed Malnik was representing the Mob."
He said Jackson had special loathing for Malnik because he felt betrayed by him. When I told him that Malnik was saying that Jackson had made him executor of his estate, he was dubious.
"He had split up with Malnik," said Novel. "He never said anything about Malnik being executor of his will. And based on how pissed off Jackson was at him at the time, I wouldn't believe it on a bet."
When asked what Jackson was like at the meeting, Novel didn't hesitate: "He was afraid, very very afraid. He didn't want to go to jail and didn't think he would be treated very well there."
Was he fearful that he would be killed in prison?
"Yeah, you can say that," Novel said.
But he also said that Jackson's mental state was "excellent" and that the pop star was lucid and extremely intelligent. He didn't believe Jackson was on any drugs during the meeting.
I asked Novel if he believed Jackson's theory about the conspiracy against him. He said that he thought Jackson was not guilty of the criminal charges and that he was probably set up, but he had no idea if Mottola was involved.
"He thought that Mottola was Mob-connected and that Malnik was representing the Mob, but I can't vouch for any of that shit," Novel said. "I don't have anything against Tommy Mottola and don't know if what he thought was true or not. I don't want to get on Mottola's bad side. My sources in New York say he's a dangerous guy."
Novel never conducted an investigation and said that, in the end, Jackson "deadbeated" him. He said that when he got to the airport to fly home, there was no ticket as promised by Jackson. He said that he contacted Jermaine and that the family paid for his flight. He said Jackson still owes him $25,000 for his consultation at Neverland. (Orth reported in Vanity Fair that Jackson apparently took a lot of Novel's advice, but at that time, Novel claimed Jackson owed him just $5,000.)
"He was a tremendously talented deadbeat," Novel said. "Michael Jackson would deadbeat King Kong."
It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in befriending Jackson, the pop star ended up believing he was an enemy out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the world media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports the truth about the relationship and its bitter end.
Nancy Malnick is currently leaking photos of MJs children... why?? To continue the threat???? This has made me wonder a lot.. i have been pondering over those pictures of the kids and now i find this.
http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/ ... el_jac.php (http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2009/06/the_malnik_familys_michael_jac.php)
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But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone? :( I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ?
I´ve been wondering that, too.
But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses. Who are, for example, running his productioncompanies ? Who are the boardmembers?
It could be worth looking in to.
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The problem with all this is that MJ's connections and business relations were numerous, it's almost impossible to map the complete picture. Especially on fora, there are many threads that do some research but they largely overlap, there is no unity. Then at some point, some fora cease to exist and all the found data is lost again.
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But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone? :( I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ?
I´ve been wondering that, too.
But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses. Who are, for example, running his productioncompanies ? Who are the boardmembers?
It could be worth looking in to.
Gone too soon, please explain. On page 1 of the thread you said in reply to mjboogie:
And how do we know MJ signed all of his financial assets over to the mafia? Would he even do such a thing? :?
I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal.
Now you say:
But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses.
First you say Mike did sign a contract with the mob (quote: "I promise you, it IS true") and now you're wondering if the mob is indeed in charge of Mike's finances. You are contradicting yourself.
Also, I'd very much like you to read my reply to your post regarding "Mike suddenly owing "the shady guys" quite a lot of money because of the 'disappointing sales' of Invincible" (Invincible has sold over 13 million copies so I would not call that disappointing sales anyway). I'm interested in your thoughts on that.
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There's another mentioning of intimidation concerning Michael's assets, made by Joe. Joe mentions a lawyer that worked for Michael, David LeGrand, who had checked out everybody that worked for Michael and found out that most were cheating on him, but LeGrand was afraid to do anything about it because he feared 'they' would do something terrible to him:
Watch at 11:30:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoIvouU ... re=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdoIvouUv4c&feature=channel)
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I'm familiar with that interview, and a lot of things said there are very disturbing.
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[quote author="*Mo
I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal.[/quote]
Now you say:
[quote="Gone too soon"]But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses.[/quote]
First you say Mike did sign a contract with the mob (quote: "I promise you, it IS true") and now you're wondering if the mob is indeed in charge of Mike's finances. You are contradicting yourself.
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No, I am not contradicting myself and I could give you a lengthy explanation to why I trust my sources 100%. Which wouldn´t make any difference to you as I might as well be making it all up. Also, I can´t give any names because these people prefer to be anonymous, I was just trying to put it in a more subtle way because I felt your negativity in a previous post.
The fact is we cannot trust any information we get: not from media, not from MJ:s family and friends, not from people in different forums telling us they met someone who told them....and so on. So there is NO way anyone can come on here with solid proof. All we can do is share information, discuss it and see where it takes us. Probably round in circles :)
If you want to believe I am making it up, then fine. It´s really not a big deal for me. I am not a Michael Jackson-fan, I am not even half as read up on things as you guys are. I just happened to meet people who worked with MJ:s associates (and will be meeting them again soon), so I thought that what I learned could be of some help.
Anyway, I am not in here to argue or to mark words. Just wanted to share.
Thanks, I´ll be off to more important things.
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Yes highly disturbing interview with Joe. I for one am just about convinced from our ongoing discussion in this thread that now more than ever MJ definitley could have been murdered. We now understand based on what the lawyer reported in 2005 that many people were around MJ that were swindling him out of his money. And I am referring to those who had access to his finances Thome being one of them. It is soooo sad how people took advantage of MJ u know? :cry: I truly dont believe JOe would be making this up also it felt as if Joe was shut out of that part of MJ life. Because Joe states that if he was around Michael that he would more than likely still be here.
The problem I have with this is MJ stating they, of course meaning more than one. So IF he was murdered I am trying to find out exactly what the hell the motives would be, with MUrray being the fall guy who would Murray be connected with? I mean the only connection I can make with Murray would be AEG right? Making the connection will help us figure it out! I am convinced that MJ was not merley killed by overdose it is soooo much deeper.
We have to look at things like ok did MJ owe some type of debt?
Did MJ renig on some type of big deal?
Because the thing is if he was killed then how would his killers benefit from his death being that now his finances are in the hands of his estate administrators. ANd no I am not including Branca and Mcclain in his list of enemies.
and I will tell you all something else I find it HIghly disturbing for Jermaine and Thome to be connected to each other. Jermaine introducing MJ to THome in the first place sends a red flag. AND not to mention Thome handing over MJ's money after his death? Why would he do this? He is shady right? SO why hand it over? :cry: Seriously forget a drug overdose by a doc this is much deeper than we think, I guess that is the reason we are here. To find out the truth. Problem is when it comes to the mafia it is nearly impossible. OK last thing, do you think I am off my rocker here? OR do you think with all the info on this particular thread that it could indeed still tye into this all being a hoax? :(
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Yes highly disturbing interview with Joe. I for one am just about convinced from our ongoing discussion in this thread that now more than ever MJ definitley could have been murdered. We now understand based on what the lawyer reported in 2005 that many people were around MJ that were swindling him out of his money. And I am referring to those who had access to his finances Thome being one of them. It is soooo sad how people took advantage of MJ u know? :cry: I truly dont believe JOe would be making this up also it felt as if Joe was shut out of that part of MJ life. Because Joe states that if he was around Michael that he would more than likely still be here.
The problem I have with this is MJ stating they, of course meaning more than one. So IF he was murdered I am trying to find out exactly what the hell the motives would be, with MUrray being the fall guy who would Murray be connected with? I mean the only connection I can make with Murray would be AEG right? Making the connection will help us figure it out! I am convinced that MJ was not merley killed by overdose it is soooo much deeper.
We have to look at things like ok did MJ owe some type of debt?
Did MJ renig on some type of big deal?
Because the thing is if he was killed then how would his killers benefit from his death being that now his finances are in the hands of his estate administrators. ANd no I am not including Branca and Mcclain in his list of enemies.
and I will tell you all something else I find it HIghly disturbing for Jermaine and Thome to be connected to each other. Jermaine introducing MJ to THome in the first place sends a red flag. AND not to mention Thome handing over MJ's money after his death? Why would he do this? He is shady right? SO why hand it over? :cry: Seriously forget a drug overdose by a doc this is much deeper than we think, I guess that is the reason we are here. To find out the truth. Problem is when it comes to the mafia it is nearly impossible. OK last thing, do you think I am off my rocker here? OR do you think with all the info on this particular thread that it could indeed still tye into this all being a hoax? :(
I'm concerned about all of this as well, to the point that I'm trying to spend less time on here.
There are soooo many people around Michael that were trying to control him & his finances. So many people that wanted to take him down or even kill him. :cry:
It makes me wonder about the hoax in that - who would he even have around him to help him pull it off?!?!?!
It seems that EVERYONE had their hand in the cookie jar and he may have been cut off from the few that didn't(if they even cared!).
-the U.S. government and their fbi files
-the mafia
-the 'illuminati'
-the local police depts.
-other shady characters that also happened to have a little power
anyone that could have helped him, would also be the people who wanted to control him and/or hurt him.
If he *is* in the Witness Protection Program, that may be where we're getting all the clues from.
Since it seems that some people in our fbi wanted to bring MJ down, they probably wouldn't care all that much if he got hurt. So even if it's their duty to protect him and put him in the WPP, they may have been sloppy about it because they don't really care if he gets hurt or people know he isn't really dead.
I think it's too much for him to have done by himself.
I don't know.
Any other thoughts I have lead to him not hoaxing anything, but it being a murder cover-up since there are so many people out to get him. :(
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Yes highly disturbing interview with Joe. I for one am just about convinced from our ongoing discussion in this thread that now more than ever MJ definitley could have been murdered. We now understand based on what the lawyer reported in 2005 that many people were around MJ that were swindling him out of his money. And I am referring to those who had access to his finances Thome being one of them. It is soooo sad how people took advantage of MJ u know? :cry: I truly dont believe JOe would be making this up also it felt as if Joe was shut out of that part of MJ life. Because Joe states that if he was around Michael that he would more than likely still be here.
The problem I have with this is MJ stating they, of course meaning more than one. So IF he was murdered I am trying to find out exactly what the hell the motives would be, with MUrray being the fall guy who would Murray be connected with? I mean the only connection I can make with Murray would be AEG right? Making the connection will help us figure it out! I am convinced that MJ was not merley killed by overdose it is soooo much deeper.
We have to look at things like ok did MJ owe some type of debt?
Did MJ renig on some type of big deal?
Because the thing is if he was killed then how would his killers benefit from his death being that now his finances are in the hands of his estate administrators. ANd no I am not including Branca and Mcclain in his list of enemies.
and I will tell you all something else I find it HIghly disturbing for Jermaine and Thome to be connected to each other. Jermaine introducing MJ to THome in the first place sends a red flag. AND not to mention Thome handing over MJ's money after his death? Why would he do this? He is shady right? SO why hand it over? :cry: Seriously forget a drug overdose by a doc this is much deeper than we think, I guess that is the reason we are here. To find out the truth. Problem is when it comes to the mafia it is nearly impossible. OK last thing, do you think I am off my rocker here? OR do you think with all the info on this particular thread that it could indeed still tye into this all being a hoax? :(
It could very well have been a murder ATTEMPT, most likely by multiple people, that is for sure. But the question remaining is: did they succeed in murdering him OR did he manage to escape?
If Murray was a fallguy, they could have rescuscitated MJ in hospital and put him in a protective program.
Murray could also have been helping Michael escape from that house to UCLA.
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Sorry guys, but ONE thread can't be the cause of loosing faith, while we have gathered SO MUCH evidence of Mike being ALIVE over the past 7 months!
In case Mike was murdered, then you really have to ask yourself WHY the mob did such a sloppy job, leaving behind so many traces to all the BOGUS events. In case Mike was murdered, things would have dealt with completely different.
Last but not least - How could Mike appear on Larry King Live as Dave Dave on September 3rd if he was murdered on June 25th..?
[youtube:1ksp7n9u]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw[/youtube:1ksp7n9u]
PS: Appearing on LKL as Dave Dave could not have happened if Mike was in the WPP.
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If he *is* in the Witness Protection Program, that may be where we're getting all the clues from.
Since it seems that some people in our fbi wanted to bring MJ down, they probably wouldn't care all that much if he got hurt. So even if it's their duty to protect him and put him in the WPP, they may have been sloppy about it because they don't really care if he gets hurt or people know he isn't really dead.
I think it's too much for him to have done by himself.
I don't know.
Any other thoughts I have lead to him not hoaxing anything, but it being a murder cover-up since there are so many people out to get him. :(
Hoax theories, preferably the most crazy ones, would form a perfect smokescreen if he were to be in a WPP. The more confusion the better.
My opinion? They may have tried to murder him/his children/his fans. Red flags were all over that there was something very, VERY serious going on. He may have fought for his live in that ambulance, or it was his ticket to freedom. Did he survive? Only the people very close to him know for sure, and a few officials.
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Sorry guys, but ONE thread can't be the cause of loosing faith, while we have gathered SO MUCH evidence of Mike being ALIVE over the past 7 months!
In case Mike was murdered, then you really have to ask yourself WHY the mob did such a sloppy job, leaving behind so many traces to all the BOGUS events. In case Mike was murdered, things would have dealt with completely different.
Last but not least - How could Mike appear on Larry King Live as Dave Dave on September 3rd if he was murdered on June 25th..?
PS: Appearing on LKL as Dave Dave could not have happened if Mike was in the WPP.
Like I said before, it could have been a murder ATTEMPT. IF he managed to escape and get into some sort of protection program, he IS still alive.
Concerning Dave Dave, I don't believe that that was Michael on LKL. That person is not Michael, even in disguise.
He also would not play such sick games, appearing on international TV as a burnvictim whilst making everybody believe he was dead.
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If he *is* in the Witness Protection Program, that may be where we're getting all the clues from.
Since it seems that some people in our fbi wanted to bring MJ down, they probably wouldn't care all that much if he got hurt. So even if it's their duty to protect him and put him in the WPP, they may have been sloppy about it because they don't really care if he gets hurt or people know he isn't really dead.
I think it's too much for him to have done by himself.
I don't know.
Any other thoughts I have lead to him not hoaxing anything, but it being a murder cover-up since there are so many people out to get him. :(
Hoax theories, preferably the most crazy ones, would form a perfect smokescreen if he were to be in a WPP. The more confusion the better.
My opinion? They may have tried to murder him/his children/his fans. Red flags were all over that there was something very, VERY serious going on. He may have fought for his live in that ambulance, or it was his ticket to freedom. Did he survive? Only the people very close to him know for sure, and a few officials.
Raven, I totally agree with you regarding this theory, and believe you're also right about Witness Protection Program. I understand that we have to be careful what we read in the media. But, if we go by what we've heard from MJ himself, I'd rather take him for his word. What got my attention and me to believe that he is possible in a witness protection program is the tape where we heard him speaking about being afraid of Tohme Tohme and what he was doing. What I heard him say about Tommy Mottola, what I heard him say in a video about how the LAPD treated him......these were Michael's own words and not just the media words or statements. Michael even went as far as showing us on video the bruses that he received and how they locked him in the nasty washroom at the police station. This is not media talk, but MJ's own words. Then you have several people talking about how he confided in them about "Them trying to kill him over the beatles catalog. During the years Michael cried out to many of his friends about this. Michael was no dummy! He obviously recognized what they were trying to do to him and took precautions to protect his life or hopefully, he didn't just back to be killed. It amazes me that there is so much media attention on Dr. Murray, but not on all those who had reason to want MJ dead. Now, I don't know how true this next statement is as I haven't researched it much, but now I read that AEG and Sony has started somekind of life insurance company. Furthermore, it also makes me furious of the fact that these two companies are now making so much money from his death. What money is Dr. Murray making from this? "The Love of Money is the root of all evil" With all this said, we have to look at who would benefit mostly from MJ's death.
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Just wanted to add this link. As I said, I'm not sure how legit this is and will research more.
http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/ ... ense/13808 (http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/aeg-aegon-sony-life-insurance-gets-license/13808)
(AEG) AEGON-Sony Life Insurance Gets License
Sony Life Insurance Co. and major Dutch insurer AEGON Group (AEG) stated their joint venture in Japan has got a life insurance business license from the Financial Services Agency (FSA). The collaboration will start business operations in December.
The new company will be known as AEGON Sony Life Insurance Co. (ASLIC) with equal equity ownership of Sony Life and AEGON. ASLIC will sell variable annuity insurance products.
The intention to establish the life insurance company was announced on Jan 25, 2007. The joint venture had originally planned to begin sales in 2008. But the global financial crisis prompted the FSA to adopt tougher regulations, forcing the venture to postpone its business operations
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Sorry, but this frustrates the hell out of me!
Tommy Mottola - plans to make profit from MJ
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/161517 ... htmlFormer (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615178/20090702/jackson_michael.jhtmlFormer) Sony Music CEO Tommy Mottola — with whom Jackson famously feuded — told The Associated Press that the singer's unreleased material ranges from unused tracks recorded during studio sessions for some of Jackson's most beloved albums to the songs he recently recorded with Akon and Will.I.Am that were slated for a long-in-the-works comeback album.
"There are dozens and dozens of songs that did not end up on his albums," said Mottola, who ran Jackson's musical distributor, Sony Music, from 1998-2003. "People will be hearing a lot of that unreleased material for the first time ever. There's just some genius and brilliance in there."
Mottola predicted that the releases could trickle out for years to come and eclipse the mountain of repackaged releases that have come out since the death of another musical icon, Elvis.
Since Jackson's death last Thursday, there have been numerous reports that he left behind more than 100 tracks, and the public thirst for his music has already resulted in a stampede to stores and the downloading of 2.3 million tracks in the U.S.
Despite being labeled a "racist" by Jackson in 2002 in a very public spat, Mottola told the AP that he considers himself the "shepherd and gatekeeper" of Jackson's catalog, claiming to be more familiar with what the pop icon left behind than anyone. He said that for every album Jackson made, including such classics as his solo breakthrough, 1979's Off the Wall and 1982's landmark Thriller, the singer recorded several tracks that didn't make it onto the albums, as is common with most artists.
It's unknown who owns the rights to the unreleased recordings, and an unnamed label source told the AP that no new projects or compilations are in the works yet. A spokesperson for Sony could not be reached at press time to comment for this story.
It's also unclear if Jackson's will made provisions for the release of his music, though entertainment lawyer Steve Gordon, who worked at Sony in the 1990s, told the AP that Jackson owned some of his master recordings and others were owned in partnership with Sony. Sony retains exclusive distribution rights for anything Jackson produced while under contract to the company.
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Check this out about John Branca:
http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_bran ... ny_atv.pdf (http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_latimes_sony_atv.pdf)
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Wow......But yet now in 2010 Branca is over MJ's estate. Why is it that LAPD haven't reported on the fact that millions of dollars were missing from MJ's home on June 25th and afterwards Tohme Tohme out of the blue came forward with over 5 million of MJ's money along with other valuable personal property of Michael's. But yet all the focus is still on Murray???
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Wow......But yet now in 2010 Branca is over MJ's estate. Why is it that LAPD haven't reported on the fact that millions of dollars were missing from MJ's home on June 25th and afterwards Tohme Tohme out of the blue came forward with over 5 million of MJ's money along with other valuable personal property of Michael's. But yet all the focus is still on Murray???
The one to watch is Jermaine Jackson too.. watch him closely. I guarantee his lifestyle is improving. He will have more money, more extravagance, more opportunities.......
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Wow......But yet now in 2010 Branca is over MJ's estate. Why is it that LAPD haven't reported on the fact that millions of dollars were missing from MJ's home on June 25th and afterwards Tohme Tohme out of the blue came forward with over 5 million of MJ's money along with other valuable personal property of Michael's. But yet all the focus is still on Murray???
The one to watch is Jermaine Jackson too.. watch him closely. I guarantee his lifestyle is improving. He will have more money, more extravagance, more opportunities.......
Jermaine is so eager to be in the forefront. I knew that he was the one who introduced Michael to Tohme Tohme, but I had no idea that Tohme Tohme and Jermaine's wife were related until I read it posted by another member here yesterday. I believe Jermaine truly did love his brother but why would you recommend someone to your baby brother with a shady past like Dr. Tohme. And knowing how your brother felt about this man whom he had fired, why have him at UCLA at your side to report the "supposed" death of your brother????? I don't understand that logic.
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Check this out about John Branca:
http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_bran ... ny_atv.pdf (http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_latimes_sony_atv.pdf)
Oh come on, you've got to be kidding! "Jackson, who according to 2005 court testimony was spending $30 million more a year than he earned". BULLSHIT!!
I will repeat what I posted on page 3 of this thread, which was ignored by everyone:
FACT: Mike's 'financial crisis' in 2005 was based on ONLY three of his assets:
The MIJAC catalogue
The Sony/ATV catalogue
Neverland Valley Ranch
During the trial it became crystal clear that Mike had not provided all of his bank statements and ledgers to the prosecution. Mike's estimated debt of $224 million in 2003 was based on INCOMPLETE information. The calculations on Mike's debt by the forensic accountant, produced by the prosecution, were crushed by Tom Mesereau during cross examination, and in the end the expert testified that Mike had never gone bankrupt and that it was entirely possible that Mike could solve his "liquidity problems' in just one day.
Open your eyes guys, this was proven in court, THERE WERE NO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, and I HIGHLY DOUBT Mike EVER has had financial problems!
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Whatever, knowing of lots of facts about the "shadies" around Michael, what if ....?
Will we be there - will we stay to investigate further even if we face a situation that we have to realize it was NOT a hoax?
Just in case - If there is nothing left to gain ... will this board continue to exist? For all of us - going on - sticking together - caring - seeking truth / justice?
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Check this out about John Branca:
http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_bran ... ny_atv.pdf (http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_latimes_sony_atv.pdf)
Oh come on, you've got to be kidding! "Jackson, who according to 2005 court testimony was spending $30 million more a year than he earned". BULLSHIT!!
I will repeat what I posted on page 3 of this thread, which was ignored by everyone:
FACT: Mike's 'financial crisis' in 2005 was based on ONLY three of his assets:
The MIJAC catalogue
The Sony/ATV catalogue
Neverland Valley Ranch
During the trial it became crystal clear that Mike had not provided all of his bank statements and ledgers to the prosecution. Mike's estimated debt of $224 million in 2003 was based on INCOMPLETE information. The calculations on Mike's debt by the forensic accountant, produced by the prosecution, were crushed by Tom Mesereau during cross examination, and in the end the expert testified that Mike had never gone bankrupt and that it was entirely possible that Mike could solve his "liquidity problems' in just one day.
Open your eyes guys, this was proven in court, THERE WERE NO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, and I HIGHLY DOUBT Mike EVER has had financial problems!
Well said!!! Just reread the process info guys, it's all in there!!!
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Check this out about John Branca:
http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_bran ... ny_atv.pdf (http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_latimes_sony_atv.pdf)
Oh come on, you've got to be kidding! "Jackson, who according to 2005 court testimony was spending $30 million more a year than he earned". BULLSHIT!!
I will repeat what I posted on page 3 of this thread, which was ignored by everyone:
FACT: Mike's 'financial crisis' in 2005 was based on ONLY three of his assets:
The MIJAC catalogue
The Sony/ATV catalogue
Neverland Valley Ranch
During the trial it became crystal clear that Mike had not provided all of his bank statements and ledgers to the prosecution. Mike's estimated debt of $224 million in 2003 was based on INCOMPLETE information. The calculations on Mike's debt by the forensic accountant, produced by the prosecution, were crushed by Tom Mesereau during cross examination, and in the end the expert testified that Mike had never gone bankrupt and that it was entirely possible that Mike could solve his "liquidity problems' in just one day.
Open your eyes guys, this was proven in court, THERE WERE NO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, and I HIGHLY DOUBT Mike EVER has had financial problems!
There is the huge possibility that Michael may not have been broke. Personally, I don't believe that he was and its possible that did not disclosed everything. I believe that he's been in the business long enough, been exposed to enough smart business people and learned how to take care of his affairs and taught by his father to always keep a nest egg for him and his family. But, my understanding is that we were looking at all the money hungry business associates that he had in his life, some which were determined to be in his circle dispite his wishes, which could have been the reasoning behind him feeling the need to hoax his death, that is if he left soon enough.
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Raven, I totally agree with you regarding this theory, and believe you're also right about Witness Protection Program. I understand that we have to be careful what we read in the media. But, if we go by what we've heard from MJ himself, I'd rather take him for his word. What got my attention and me to believe that he is possible in a witness protection program is the tape where we heard him speaking about being afraid of Tohme Tohme and what he was doing. What I heard him say about Tommy Mottola, what I heard him say in a video about how the LAPD treated him......these were Michael's own words and not just the media words or statements. Michael even went as far as showing us on video the bruses that he received and how they locked him in the nasty washroom at the police station. This is not media talk, but MJ's own words. Then you have several people talking about how he confided in them about "Them trying to kill him over the beatles catalog. During the years Michael cried out to many of his friends about this. Michael was no dummy! He obviously recognized what they were trying to do to him and took precautions to protect his life or hopefully, he didn't just back to be killed. It amazes me that there is so much media attention on Dr. Murray, but not on all those who had reason to want MJ dead. Now, I don't know how true this next statement is as I haven't researched it much, but now I read that AEG and Sony has started somekind of life insurance company. Furthermore, it also makes me furious of the fact that these two companies are now making so much money from his death. What money is Dr. Murray making from this? "The Love of Money is the root of all evil" With all this said, we have to look at who would benefit mostly from MJ's death.
Yes, they are his own words, it can be verified, it is how he himself thought of the situation. Also, this situation had been going on for quite a long time, for years even. That means there was a lot of time to search help and plan, to seek official protection. He out-thought SONY, like he said. Let's hope this time he out-thought the people he was afraid of also.
It is harder to believe though he is still alive, seeing his children accepting the award at the Grammy's, and also emotions of the family like Tito's tears. If MJ would be in a WPP, his nearest relatives like his children and mother most likely would be in the know. But their emotions may just be those of grieve due to seperation or the whole situation, it's hard to tell.
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Just wanted to add this link. As I said, I'm not sure how legit this is and will research more.
http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/ ... ense/13808 (http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/aeg-aegon-sony-life-insurance-gets-license/13808)
(AEG) AEGON-Sony Life Insurance Gets License
Sony Life Insurance Co. and major Dutch insurer AEGON Group (AEG) stated their joint venture in Japan has got a life insurance business license from the Financial Services Agency (FSA). The collaboration will start business operations in December.
The new company will be known as AEGON Sony Life Insurance Co. (ASLIC) with equal equity ownership of Sony Life and AEGON. ASLIC will sell variable annuity insurance products.
The intention to establish the life insurance company was announced on Jan 25, 2007. The joint venture had originally planned to begin sales in 2008. But the global financial crisis prompted the FSA to adopt tougher regulations, forcing the venture to postpone its business operations
AEG is not the same company as AEGON. AEG stands for "Anschutz Entertainment Group', founded by American Philip Anschutz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz), and as you say, AEGON is a Dutch insurance company.
Hope to have eased your mind a bit :)
Concerning Tohme, he is the former brother in law of Randy Philips (AEG)
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Check this out about John Branca:
http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_bran ... ny_atv.pdf (http://www.johnbranca.com/pdf/john_branca_latimes_sony_atv.pdf)
Oh come on, you've got to be kidding! "Jackson, who according to 2005 court testimony was spending $30 million more a year than he earned". BULLSHIT!!
I will repeat what I posted on page 3 of this thread, which was ignored by everyone:
FACT: Mike's 'financial crisis' in 2005 was based on ONLY three of his assets:
The MIJAC catalogue
The Sony/ATV catalogue
Neverland Valley Ranch
During the trial it became crystal clear that Mike had not provided all of his bank statements and ledgers to the prosecution. Mike's estimated debt of $224 million in 2003 was based on INCOMPLETE information. The calculations on Mike's debt by the forensic accountant, produced by the prosecution, were crushed by Tom Mesereau during cross examination, and in the end the expert testified that Mike had never gone bankrupt and that it was entirely possible that Mike could solve his "liquidity problems' in just one day.
Open your eyes guys, this was proven in court, THERE WERE NO FINANCIAL PROBLEMS, and I HIGHLY DOUBT Mike EVER has had financial problems!
It is not relevant whether he was or was not in debt, they were after his assets. These assets and investments generated a steady income
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This thread in particular gives me a headache on a daily basis!! LOL
MJ was not broke. He was in DEBT...big difference. As Mo said, Mj's debts could have been paid off in one day.
BTW Mo,,,I saw your post when you first posted it about MJ not providing all his finanacial statements...I just wasnt able to respond at the time.
People seem to confuse someone being in debt and being broke....2 WAY completely different things. Being in debt means you OWE money,,,not necessarily being broke. Although you can be in debt AND be broke. Being broke means you have NO MONEY to pay your debts...which is why people file for bancruptcy.
MJ owed money..hence was in debt....but he was not broke and never has been.
If he was broke, do you think he could afford to pay $100,000 rent.PER MONTH for his home in Holmby Hills? No he couldnt.
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Just wanted to add this link. As I said, I'm not sure how legit this is and will research more.
http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/ ... ense/13808 (http://www.stockbloghub.com/2009/08/28/aeg-aegon-sony-life-insurance-gets-license/13808)
(AEG) AEGON-Sony Life Insurance Gets License
Sony Life Insurance Co. and major Dutch insurer AEGON Group (AEG) stated their joint venture in Japan has got a life insurance business license from the Financial Services Agency (FSA). The collaboration will start business operations in December.
The new company will be known as AEGON Sony Life Insurance Co. (ASLIC) with equal equity ownership of Sony Life and AEGON. ASLIC will sell variable annuity insurance products.
The intention to establish the life insurance company was announced on Jan 25, 2007. The joint venture had originally planned to begin sales in 2008. But the global financial crisis prompted the FSA to adopt tougher regulations, forcing the venture to postpone its business operations
AEG is not the same company as AEGON. AEG stands for "Anschutz Entertainment Group', founded by American Philip Anschutz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Anschutz), and as you say, AEGON is a Dutch insurance company.
Hope to have eased your mind a bit :)
Concerning Tohme, he is the former brother in law of Randy Philips (AEG)
Thanks! Yes it did.......Lol....I was about to contact FBI personally and tell them about this....lol :D
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Anything is possible really. Michael was scared if we listen to the phonecalls posted on youtube and also according to his family. Maybe he was being paranoid but I don't think he was and believe he was scared for a logical and real reason. Who was he scared of? We knew he had an enemy list containing Uri Geller,Rabbi Shmuley,Tom Sneddon,Tommy Motola. Then you have this Thome Thome guy who was fired but was standing beside Jermaine when he made the announcement that night at the hospital if I'm not mistaken. But are those guys real threats? Maybe if we knew who they associate with. Maybe he did hoax his death for his own safety so the people who were after him couldn't as it is impossible to threaten a 'dead' man. But in that case..unfortunetly he probably won't come out of hiding.
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Do you remember the comments he made about Mr. Mottola being a bad man. He also stated that Mariah Carey called him on the phone and stated that Mr. Mottola was having her watch. Now why would Mariah Carey call Michael. I think Mariah knows more than what she is letting on. Not about the hoax, but the situation that Michael is dealing with the shady Guys. You have got to remember she was once married to Mr. Mottola.
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Still trying to make the connection with LAPD, MURRAY, THOME and Jermaine. THe only thing I dont get is why in the bleep Jermaine would even introduce MJ to Thome in the first place. :evil:
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Since we're on the subject of the mafia, I'll make a Godfather reference. It's one of my alltime favorite movies. ;)
Jermaine sometimes comes across like Michael Corleone's brother Fredo. Fredo was older but lacking in smarts, talent and leadership skills. He lived in his younger brother's shadow and resented it.When their father aged and later died, it was the younger brother Michael who took control and ran the family. Out of frustration and desperation to prove his worth as a man and a member of the family, Fredo struck a deal with some unsavory types. They promised Fredo that there was something in it for him and that he could run his own operation. He always aspired to step out of his brother's shadow and the bad guys led him to believe that a deal with them could grant his wish. The bad guys used Fredo to get to Michael but they were unsuccessful. Fredo eventually paid a huge price for betraying his brother.
That scenerio was fiction from a movie. However... I have often wondered why it is that Jermaine managed to link up with shady people and what they lured him into believing that they could help him do regarding his business interests. Business ventures require seed money. If Jermaine could not get it legitimately then he may have turned to shady people for financial backing. People...good or bad... do not give away money without strings attached.
It may be true how art imitates life.
Still trying to make the connection with LAPD, MURRAY, THOME and Jermaine. THe only thing I dont get is why in the bleep Jermaine would even introduce MJ to Thome in the first place. :evil:
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This thread in particular gives me a headache on a daily basis!! LOL
MJ was not broke. He was in DEBT...big difference. As Mo said, Mj's debts could have been paid off in one day.
BTW Mo,,,I saw your post when you first posted it about MJ not providing all his finanacial statements...I just wasnt able to respond at the time.
People seem to confuse someone being in debt and being broke....2 WAY completely different things. Being in debt means you OWE money,,,not necessarily being broke. Although you can be in debt AND be broke. Being broke means you have NO MONEY to pay your debts...which is why people file for bancruptcy.
MJ owed money..hence was in debt....but he was not broke and never has been.
If he was broke, do you think he could afford to pay $100,000 rent.PER MONTH for his home in Holmby Hills? No he couldnt.
I agree with everything you've just said...there is a huge difference between being broke and in debt. But AEG was actually paying for his house and staff in Holmby Hills. ;)
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Im gonna post LMP's blog post from June 26th, 2009. I know this is old and has been read thousands of times.....but read it again.
In it she states a few interesting things...some of which we know...but she confirms...which Ive highlighted in red.
Here it is:
Friday, June 26, 2009
He Knew.
Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.
I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.
At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."
I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.
14 years later I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.
A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.
The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.
All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.
I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.
Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.
I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.
His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.
At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.
When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.
Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.
I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.
I was in over my head while trying.
I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.
The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.
After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.
Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.
At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.
He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.
I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.
He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.
I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.
The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.
I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.
~LMP
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THE JACKSONOLOGIST » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:06 pm
Im gonna post LMP's blog post from June 26th, 2009. I know this is old and has been read thousands of times.....but read it again.
In it she states a few interesting things...some of which we know...but she confirms...which Ive highlighted in red.
Here it is:
Friday, June 26, 2009
He Knew.
Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.
I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.
At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."
I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.
14 years later I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.
A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.
The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.
All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.
I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.
Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.
I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.
His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.
At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.
When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.
Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.
I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.
I was in over my head while trying.
I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.
The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.
After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.
Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.
At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.
He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.
I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.
He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.
I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.
The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.
I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.
~LMP
Were there some clues in this or something?
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Still trying to make the connection with LAPD, MURRAY, THOME and Jermaine. THe only thing I dont get is why in the bleep Jermaine would even introduce MJ to Thome in the first place. :evil:
Nation of Islam might have to do with that
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THE JACKSONOLOGIST » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:06 pm
Im gonna post LMP's blog post from June 26th, 2009. I know this is old and has been read thousands of times.....but read it again.
In it she states a few interesting things...some of which we know...but she confirms...which Ive highlighted in red.
Here it is:
Friday, June 26, 2009
He Knew.
Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.
I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.
At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."
I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.
14 years later I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.
A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.
The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.
All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.
I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.
Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.
I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.
His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.
At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.
When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.
Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.
I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.
I was in over my head while trying.
I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.
The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.
After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.
Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.
At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.
He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.
I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.
He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.
I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.
The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.
I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.
~LMP
Were there some clues in this or something?
Maybe there is...IDK!!! Just some of the things she said...like sometimes he used who he was for really REALLY bad things....what could she be talking about??
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Still trying to make the connection with LAPD, MURRAY, THOME and Jermaine. THe only thing I dont get is why in the bleep Jermaine would even introduce MJ to Thome in the first place. :evil:
Nation of Islam might have to do with that
Arent they somewhat of a "mafia" as well?
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[bMaybe there is...IDK!!! Just some of the things she said...like sometimes he used who he was for really REALLY bad things....what could she be talking about??][/b]
Oh, ok.
Ok, I am trying to make out what she said, when she said ....like sometimes he used who he was for REALLY bad things, I am trying to understand that one myself. :?:
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THE JACKSONOLOGIST » Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:06 pm
Im gonna post LMP's blog post from June 26th, 2009. I know this is old and has been read thousands of times.....but read it again.
In it she states a few interesting things...some of which we know...but she confirms...which Ive highlighted in red.
Here it is:
Friday, June 26, 2009
He Knew.
Years ago Michael and I were having a deep conversation about life in general.
I can't recall the exact subject matter but he may have been questioning me about the circumstances of my Fathers Death.
At some point he paused, he stared at me very intensely and he stated with an almost calm certainty, "I am afraid that I am going to end up like him, the way he did."
I promptly tried to deter him from the idea, at which point he just shrugged his shoulders and nodded almost matter of fact as if to let me know, he knew what he knew and that was kind of that.
14 years later I am sitting here watching on the news an ambulance leaves the driveway of his home, the big gates, the crowds outside the gates, the coverage, the crowds outside the hospital, the Cause of death and what may have led up to it and the memory of this conversation hit me, as did the unstoppable tears.
A predicted ending by him, by loved ones and by me, but what I didn't predict was how much it was going to hurt when it finally happened.
The person I failed to help is being transferred right now to the LA County Coroners office for his Autopsy.
All of my indifference and detachment that I worked so hard to achieve over the years has just gone into the bowels of hell and right now I am gutted.
I am going to say now what I have never said before because I want the truth out there for once.
Our relationship was not "a sham" as is being reported in the press. It was an unusual relationship yes, where two unusual people who did not live or know a "Normal life" found a connection, perhaps with some suspect timing on his part. Nonetheless, I do believe he loved me as much as he could love anyone and I loved him very much.
I wanted to "save him" I wanted to save him from the inevitable which is what has just happened.
His family and his loved ones also wanted to save him from this as well but didn't know how and this was 14 years ago. We all worried that this would be the outcome then.
At that time, In trying to save him, I almost lost myself.
He was an incredibly dynamic force and power that was not to be underestimated.
When he used it for something good, It was the best and when he used it for something bad, It was really, REALLY bad.
Mediocrity was not a concept that would even for a second enter Michael Jackson's being or actions.
I became very ill and emotionally/ spiritually exhausted in my quest to save him from certain self-destructive behavior and from the awful vampires and leeches he would always manage to magnetize around him.
I was in over my head while trying.
I had my children to care for, I had to make a decision.
The hardest decision I have ever had to make, which was to walk away and let his fate have him, even though I desperately loved him and tried to stop or reverse it somehow.
After the Divorce, I spent a few years obsessing about him and what I could have done different, in regret.
Then I spent some angry years at the whole situation.
At some point, I truly became Indifferent, until now.
As I sit here overwhelmed with sadness, reflection and confusion at what was my biggest failure to date, watching on the news almost play by play The exact Scenario I saw happen on August 16th, 1977 happening again right now with Michael (A sight I never wanted to see again) just as he predicted, I am truly, truly gutted.
Any ill experience or words I have felt towards him in the past has just died inside of me along with him.
He was an amazing person and I am lucky to have gotten as close to him as I did and to have had the many experiences and years that we had together.
I desperately hope that he can be relieved from his pain, pressure and turmoil now.
He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be.
I also hope that anyone else who feels they have failed to help him can be set free because he hopefully finally is.
The World is in shock but somehow he knew exactly how his fate would be played out some day more than anyone else knew, and he was right.
I really needed to say this right now, thanks for listening.
~LMP
Were there some clues in this or something?
Maybe there is...IDK!!! Just some of the things she said...like sometimes he used who he was for really REALLY bad things....what could she be talking about??
I always thought the "bad" things were him having Debbie Rowe give birth to children for him. :?
If it was something else, I'm guessing it would have come out by now.
I mean what could be worse than molesting children - and he didn't do that, so....
I also think it was a leftover little "dig" at him to make people think bad things about him in the middle of all the praise he was getting after his "death." She could safely hint at something without saying something and being the bad guy. :roll:
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I dont think it was left over "dig" at him either. Her post is sincere and I really dont think she means anything bad at all by what she said.
But what bad things could it be? I dont think Deb having his kids would be considered bad.
She emphasized "really REALLY bad things"
I, personally am not trying to say he did ANYTHING bad cus my interpretation of bad could be vastly different then hers....but that statement just kinda stood out to me....maybe its nothing, but I sure am curious!!
And Id like to add that this statement by LMP is just a curiosity of mine. Wether its mob related or not. Since we were on the subject, I thought I would post it...I do NOT want to give the impression that I think her statement about "really, REALLY bad things..." has ANYTHING to do with the mafia, so please dont read into it like that.
I was just wondering what bad things she was talking about....I guess we will never know.
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I dont think it was left over "dig" at him either. Her post is sincere and I really dont think she means anything bad at all by what she said.
But what bad things could it be? I dont think Deb having his kids would be considered bad.
She emphasized "really REALLY bad things"
I, personally am not trying to say he did ANYTHING bad cus my interpretation of bad could be vastly different then hers....but that statement just kinda stood out to me....maybe its nothing, but I sure am curious!!
And Id like to add that this statement by LMP is just a curiosity of mine. Wether its mob related or not. Since we were on the subject, I thought I would post it...I do NOT want to give the impression that I think her statement about "really, REALLY bad things..." has ANYTHING to do with the mafia, so please dont read into it like that.
I was just wondering what bad things she was talking about....I guess we will never know.
I don't think that MJ having children with DR is bad either.
But given the context, it was probably very hurtful to HER.
From what I read - he found out she was on birth control, they argued, he said he could get someone else to have his kids, she said, "go ahead," so he made it happen with DR and kicked her to the curb. Sure they were involved or around each other after that, but not together.
Obviously, I don't know personally what these "really bad" things were.
But given her bitterness and the negative things she said about him after their divorce, I wouldn't doubt that the "really bad" thing was a leftover dig.
Some people just don't let go of anger and bitterness easily.
Another thought - in another thread someone brought up info from Taborelli's book about how MJ would sit in on surgeries and possibly assist? (I haven't read the book) That could be construed as "bad" - especially if the patients didn't know about it and had this guy helping out with their tummy tuck even though he had no business even watching it!
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Im gonna post LMP's blog post from June 26th, 2009. I know this is old and has been read thousands of times.....but read it again.
In it she states a few interesting things...some of which we know...but she confirms...which Ive highlighted in red.
Her words seem to confirm it basically. She left because of the leeches that were circling around him and that he seemed to draw towards him, to protect her children. Wherever there is money and/or power you come across such people, it draws shady figures. She tried to 'save' him apparently from them, believing he made (really, REALLY) bad choices (destructive behaviour) in the people that he surrounded himself with.
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I was just wondering what bad things she was talking about....I guess we will never know.
you right, we probably won't never know.
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Virgo,
I saw a vid where Debbie herself said she offered to have his babies for him and he said no. She then said she pestered him until he gave in. Im sorry I dont know if I can find the vid but I saw it on TV months back.
Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
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THE JACKSONOLOGIST » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:43 pm
Virgo,
I saw a vid where Debbie herself said she offered to have his babies for him and he said no. She then said she pestered him until he gave in. Im sorry I dont know if I can find the vid but I saw it on TV months back.
Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
yeah, i remember this to. It may be on youtube.
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Virgo,
I saw a vid where Debbie herself said she offered to have his babies for him and he said no. She then said she pestered him until he gave in. Im sorry I dont know if I can find the vid but I saw it on TV months back.
Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
I saw that video, it was an interview after the Bashir thing, right?
It's possible that she pestered him and he finally gave in after trying to have babies with his wife at the time LMP.
As for not trusting anyone, it makes perfect sense that he would surround himself with untrustworthy people.
When that's what you grow up with, you kind of tend to attract that and are attracted to it because it's like "home."
And if you don't grow up with trustworthy examples, how do you know who *IS* trustworthy?
For example - a young lady that grows up in an abusive household may end up in abusive relationships. She won't consciously choose a man who would abuse her, but she is subconsciously drawn to men that are controlling & that she has to work hard to please - and it could end up in an abusive relationship. This doesn't apply to ALL, but it happens often.
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Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
You can't even trust yourself :) Well some people just do, that is the destructive behaviour, they don't make sure to distance themselves from people that may hurt them or are dangerous to them. That's probably what LMP means, she decided at some point to let his fate have him.
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[virgo75 » Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:50 pm
THE JACKSONOLOGIST wrote:
Virgo,
I saw a vid where Debbie herself said she offered to have his babies for him and he said no. She then said she pestered him until he gave in. Im sorry I dont know if I can find the vid but I saw it on TV months back.
Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
I saw that video, it was an interview after the Bashir thing, right?
It's possible that she pestered him and he finally gave in after trying to have babies with his wife at the time LMP.
As for not trusting anyone, it makes perfect sense that he would surround himself with untrustworthy people.
When that's what you grow up with, you kind of tend to attract that and are attracted to it because it's like "home."
And if you don't grow up with trustworthy examples, how do you know who *IS* trustworthy?
For example - a young lady that grows up in an abusive household may end up in abusive relationships. She won't consciously choose a man who would abuse her, but she is subconsciously drawn to men that are controlling & that she has to work hard to please - and it could end up in an abusive relationship. This doesn't apply to ALL, but it happens often./b]
I agree.
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Yea...I guess I didnt think about that.
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Virgo,
I saw a vid where Debbie herself said she offered to have his babies for him and he said no. She then said she pestered him until he gave in. Im sorry I dont know if I can find the vid but I saw it on TV months back.
Raven,
I always thought MJ didnt trust ANYONE, so why would he surround himself with the least trustworthy people of all?
Although I'm not a LMP fan.... maybe there was truth in her statement. Fact is, he did surround himself with a these kind of people, I think for his benefit. Even in TII we can plainly see how those around him ......example....(Ortega) would jump and/or agree with Michael's every demand or suggestions. Because of who MJ was people just did that.
I believe he liked that kind of power. Even in his music. In drama school, one thing that the instructor brought to our attention was how Michael displayed his "God Like" power moves in his videos etc.....I may not be explaining it correctly, but when he move his hands, feet or his body a certain way to a tune it was done with a loud beat or a loud bang. So, what I'm trying to say is that LMP may have been speaking of that power. I believe Michael was aware of the power he had because of who he was.
Remember in TII rehearsals how each beat of the music had to be in sequence with his body movements........including the raising of his arm, jumping up etc. Michael loved power! And he knew that people would do whatever he wanted. I think he just tried to exercise that power with the wrong kind of people (mafia). When you don't do what he wants or demand then you're out. I belive thats why he has a history or firing staff. Not that he's a bad person and I love him dearly but, he was used to simply getting his way.
I hope what I'm trying to say here makes sense.
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*BUMP*
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Some new interview Joe gave to Larry King:
http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true ... 02c3f829ac (http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=dad5c27a-8676-4e94-b05d-1b02c3f829ac)
According to Joe Michael even told his mother and kids (!!!) he was going to be murdered. Frank DiLeo is mentioned as well as Tohme Tohme."
Quote "Who is paying them? Michael is not paying them cause he's not here."
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I dont think it was left over "dig" at him either. Her post is sincere and I really dont think she means anything bad at all by what she said.
But what bad things could it be? I dont think Deb having his kids would be considered bad.
She emphasized "really REALLY bad things"
I, personally am not trying to say he did ANYTHING bad cus my interpretation of bad could be vastly different then hers....but that statement just kinda stood out to me....maybe its nothing, but I sure am curious!!
And Id like to add that this statement by LMP is just a curiosity of mine. Wether its mob related or not. Since we were on the subject, I thought I would post it...I do NOT want to give the impression that I think her statement about "really, REALLY bad things..." has ANYTHING to do with the mafia, so please dont read into it like that.
I was just wondering what bad things she was talking about....I guess we will never know.
I have always wondered about this too. I wish she wouldn't have said it unless she was going to elaborate. It conjures all sorts of things in my mind. :? Not that I think Michael was a bad person at all, maybe just not as saintly as I'd like to believe...but sometimes I wonder how well we really knew him, ya know?
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I dont think it was left over "dig" at him either. Her post is sincere and I really dont think she means anything bad at all by what she said.
But what bad things could it be? I dont think Deb having his kids would be considered bad.
She emphasized "really REALLY bad things"
I, personally am not trying to say he did ANYTHING bad cus my interpretation of bad could be vastly different then hers....but that statement just kinda stood out to me....maybe its nothing, but I sure am curious!!
And Id like to add that this statement by LMP is just a curiosity of mine. Wether its mob related or not. Since we were on the subject, I thought I would post it...I do NOT want to give the impression that I think her statement about "really, REALLY bad things..." has ANYTHING to do with the mafia, so please dont read into it like that.
I was just wondering what bad things she was talking about....I guess we will never know.
I have always wondered about this too. I wish she wouldn't have said it unless she was going to elaborate. It conjures all sorts of things in my mind. :? Not that I think Michael was a bad person at all, maybe just not as saintly as I'd like to believe...but sometimes I wonder how well we really knew him, ya know?
Yep, I know what ya mean. The fact the she used the word "really" twice kinda scares me!! LOL
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My take on it I dont feel that she was talking resentment or anything. WHen she says really really bad things it could mean something like maybe to obtain things he really did not need, or things that were bad for him. You see MJ was a powerful force with pLennnnnty of money and we all know that Money talks bullshit walks. Because of his fame and power many were drawn to him . One thing I will say that statement could go many ways, (wish we could contact her about it) but also for example the Sony/Mottolla issue. MJ=power=lashing out at Sony/Mottola. WHo the hell would have ever thought he would do that? I dont consider this to be a really bad thing, but remember lMP said a FORCE to be reckoned with? Well Mottola pushed MJ to that point and MJ used his power to reveal Tommy/SOny. When you have as much money and fame as MJ anything is possible. I for one have kinda looked back at all of the people around him and I have to agree they definitley may have been around him for the wrong reasons,. WHen I look at that public speech he gave about Sony...it was like daaaaam! He said "I dont like to talk much , I really dont" I believe some may have underestimated MJ. WHen she says power negative or positive. I feel that with the negative use of his power , I feel that MJ would have to be pushed to that point. I dont see MJ using his power and fame for selfish gain, I just dont feel he was that type of person, but then...we might not never know. Because we did not know him personally as LMP did.
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Well it is possible to contact her about it, she has a Myspace page where this blog was posted on. Anyone can contact her about it. But if she feels like replying is another issue...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=42291868 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=42291868)
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Whenever I think about what LMP said, this video pops in my mind... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ) He looks so serious, confident and in charge, and he looks pretty ticked off too. It's the only time I've ever seen him like that. Maybe there was another side we don't know. But it's honestly hard for me to believe he could even raise his voice, never mind be "really, REALLY bad". I don't think I'll ever get over my school girl crush believing he could do no wrong. :lol:
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I think that side of him is kinda hot.. ;)
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Yea, it kinda is! :lol:
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Whenever I think about what LMP said, this video pops in my mind... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ) He looks so serious, confident and in charge, and he looks pretty ticked off too. It's the only time I've ever seen him like that. Maybe there was another side we don't know. But it's honestly hard for me to believe he could even raise his voice, never mind be "really, REALLY bad". I don't think I'll ever get over my school girl crush believing he could do no wrong. :lol:
Hadn't seen that video before, thanks. I don't notice he seems ticked off though, but there are other videos where he is ticked off. Which is not a bad thing on itself ofcourse, being ticked off.
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Whenever I think about what LMP said, this video pops in my mind... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ) He looks so serious, confident and in charge, and he looks pretty ticked off too. It's the only time I've ever seen him like that. Maybe there was another side we don't know. But it's honestly hard for me to believe he could even raise his voice, never mind be "really, REALLY bad". I don't think I'll ever get over my school girl crush believing he could do no wrong. :lol:
Hadn't seen that video before, thanks. I don't notice he seems ticked off though, but there are other videos where he is ticked off. Which is not a bad thing on itself ofcourse, being ticked off.
Do you have links to these...I would love to see them! :mrgreen:
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Whenever I think about what LMP said, this video pops in my mind... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvw7T-MQnQ) He looks so serious, confident and in charge, and he looks pretty ticked off too. It's the only time I've ever seen him like that. Maybe there was another side we don't know. But it's honestly hard for me to believe he could even raise his voice, never mind be "really, REALLY bad". I don't think I'll ever get over my school girl crush believing he could do no wrong. :lol:
Hadn't seen that video before, thanks. I don't notice he seems ticked off though, but there are other videos where he is ticked off. Which is not a bad thing on itself ofcourse, being ticked off.
Do you have links to these...I would love to see them! :mrgreen:
8-) I'll try and find some...the one where he tells a reporter to go to hell... or his verbal attack at Tommy Mottola...
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Tell her to go to hell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaBBy06xAlc&NR=1)
Angry in the car at court (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxYs4ENOLAE)
Angry black man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBUgE6EDFo)
MJ vs SONY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4NwrMtgw8)
SONY sucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z46rNWYqVRg&feature=related)
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BTW concerning the charges...how can they be so sure the (attempted) homocide was without malice?
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Thanks for those...I hadn't seen the last one. I love the "go to hell" one...I can watch that over and over. :lol: Do you know of any where he didn't know the cameras were on him?
Oh and that's a good question about the charges. I guess unless they found something to suggest malice, they wouldn't be able to get a guilty verdict so they opted for the lesser charge...I don't know.
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Something that is totally not clear to me is this:
Michael left SONY a few years ago, mainly due to racist issues, but also because he was very concerned they were after his Beatles catalogue, and so on. He even suspected murder attempts on his live, his family. He announced to have left SONY during a public appearance. Especially Tommy Mottola was regarded by Michael as the enemy, the embodyment of the devil and as one of the key persons in all this.
Then why, anno 2010, is SONY still in charge of many things regarding TII? They even still manage his official website...
Another thing posted by TMZ today, which supports the murder attempt/WPP theory:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/01/coverup-m ... y-lapd-iv/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/01/coverup-michael-jackson-death-propofol-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-iv/)
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That is the million dollar unanswered question. I look forward to the day when someone can officially provide the complete and correct answer. It seems that MJ left SONY but at what cost to the MJ brand?
It's kind of like whem some couples get divorced. Sometimes one person keeps all joint property and assets while the other person leaves the marriage with barely the shirt on his back?
MJ left SONY but at what price since yes it appears from the outside view that they still run things where the MJ brand is concerned.
Something that is totally not clear to me is this:
Michael left SONY a few years ago, mainly due to racist issues, but also because he was very concerned they were after his Beatles catalogue, and so on. He even suspected murder attempts on his live, his family. He announced to have left SONY during a public appearance. Especially Tommy Mottola was regarded by Michael as the enemy, the embodyment of the devil and as one of the key persons in all this.
Then why, anno 2010, is SONY still in charge of many things regarding TII? They even still manage his official website...
Another thing posted by TMZ today, which supports the murder attempt/WPP theory:
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/01/coverup-m ... y-lapd-iv/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/01/coverup-michael-jackson-death-propofol-dr-conrad-murray-lapd-iv/)
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Well as far as many rights are concerned, for instance rights to his songs and so on, ofcourse SONY will still have a share in that. But his website? Hopefully someone can enlighten me on that
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Wowsers! :shock: I cannot believe I've just read all this for the first time!
This theory seems very plausible. The entertainment business has always been surrounded by shady semi-criminal people. That's logical, because a lot of money goes around in this business. I will ponder on some things...
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As far as I heard his Sony (publishing) contract lasts until June 2010 ...
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As far as I heard his Sony (publishing) contract lasts until June 2010 ...
Well, then when he comes back he'll be free of Sony.
As to the mafia, people who will testify against them , always get protection from the police, FBI, CIA etc. Many of them end up in the witness protection program.
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Everything Michael stands for is what those corrupt organizations hate so of course Mike was on their radar, remember that the hoax is about a very big issue in the world and wouldn't him exposing the mafia and illuminati be a big issue and if the fbi is helping him skys the limit in his resources, Michael isn't taking there shit anymore he has had enough and he is the only one with balls to say something about it but he needs our help it's all for L.O.V.E.
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ok 2 things.
first, in the michael getting mad at that paparazzi link...he clearly says "F...You" [edited in case any children browse this]. one word: hot.
second,
"He deserves to be free from all of that and I hope he is in a better place or will be."
will be lisa? really? so if michael passed away...what was he doing? in limbo? if he did die, that boy's getting a first class ticket to heaven-there's no "will be."
my opinion? she knows something.
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http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/c ... o-records/ (http://frankpaulgambino.wordpress.com/category/gambino-records/)
Frank Paul Gambino relocated to Florida during the Gotti Trial. There was a fishy smell and there were people following him. There was a suspicion that he might be an actual target. The on 22 December 2009 it all broke loose when TMZ broke out with about 200 pages of FBI documents about an investigation that never materialized into a trial, because it was all garbage, about Frank Paul Jones AKA Gambino. A question of law will be raised because Frank Paul Jones FBI record are sealed and was not meant for public viewing for Nation Defense Reasons. Someone found a loophole using MJJ records open to the public.
I am not saying I did not say many of those things, when I did I was very upset and wanted to simply bring attention to my plight. The issues were about money, honor and respect and of course a one sided love affair. I am not obsessed over Janet and found a new love. I really like Michael; Jackson’s music and his whole publicity package it was very exiting. However to associate myself in name with his death even at tabloid standards with supporting evidence by the FBI is wrong.
Do Michael and the Jackson clan owe me money? That is too much information being I was asked the question by many who know me from a stranger day on the highway only to Michael them and name me something bad and that is alright.
I write stories based on true events, sometimes I use the real characters name however on my public version names are made up. I tell deep dark secrets hard to believe and like I said I realize people are not ready for the truth, love the Jackson’s because they were programmed to do so and fear the Gambino name and we do the people dirty work, we are not the oppressors.
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Janet surrounds herself with dummies and has done so for a long time and it looks like Michael was surrounded by criminals in the form of drug peddling doctors