Report (Michael Jackson Didn't Hire Conrad Murray)

[tinker_bell]

@ O-drey-O:

Strange to say the least! I get a clear feeling that everybody's doing the wrong parts in this story, just look at it:

- Colony Capital arranging the concert deal (instead of MJ manager at the time)
- Fans informing Joe Jackson and Frank Dileo of Michael's being rushed to the hospital (who are those FANS???)
- AEG firing MJ staff (again instead of estate administrators or family)
- Jermaine announcing MJ's death (instead of medical chief officer or whatever person in charge)
- TMZ providing all the major 'hot' news starting from MJ death to investigation (instead of more or less reliable sources like CNN, AP or else)

and finally people in Internet doing the investigation instead of police and press!

[imabeliever2]

Guys you're not gonna believe this!

There was a pic as well.  Unfortunately I don't know how to post the pic. here.
While doing research I found out that Dr. Tohme Tohme and Randy Phillips are very close knit brother-n-laws
Former brother-in-laws - As thick as thieves? According to records from ancestry.com -  the world’s largest family history website - Dr Tohme and AEG Live bos Randy Phillips were related by marriage back in the 1970’s.
Dr Tohme Ramez Tohme (d.o.b. 1949) married Janet Phillips (d.o.b. 1953) on 29th January 1972 in Sacremento, California.  The pair subsequently divorced in May 1976 in Sacremento, California.
Marriage  -  State file: 7307; Reg no: 289
Divorce – State file: 664652; Dissolution case no: 716055
It has been confirmed by an insider that Dr Janet Phillips, now a Clinical Psychologist working at a practice in Torrance,  is indeed Randy Phillips’s sister.
Does this provide a link between the “mysterious” Dr Tohme and AEG Live boss Randy Phillips? Did AEG live play any part in manipulating and isolating MJ? Was Dr Tohme on AEG lives payroll? The plot thickens…….

I also want to share this video with you:
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I was trying to find out if Tommy Mottola is affiliated in any way with Tohme, Randy Phillips, Al Malnik.  Unfortunately, I haven't as of yet.  

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login•   May 5 :
Raymone Bain, Michael's former manager and spokersperson, files a lawsuit in Washington D.C claiming breach of contract; quantum meruit and unjust enrichment and she asks for 44 millions $.Dr. Tohme Tohme is officially terminated as Michael's manager and disbarred from having any subsequent affiliation with him or any of his numerous established entities (including MJJ Productions and the newer MJJ Kingdom).Michael hires Frank Dileo as his new manager.

Please note that while I was following a path with this investigation I ran across another site investigating that were doing the same.  

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It looks like their investigation stopped October 22nd. shortly after they received information that their site's forum is was secretly being monitored and to be careful what they report.  They noted that all posts done linking Sony and AEG to Michael's death were being deleted.   IDK.........Maybe we should follow suit?  

With all this said, I'm even more convinced that Michael Jackson did not hire Conrad Murray!  If Michael was introduced to Murray, I'm wondering if any of the above mentioned had anything to do with it?

[tinker_bell]

I was trying to find out if Tommy Mottola is affiliated in any way with Tohme, Randy Phillips, Al Malnik.  Unfortunately, I haven't as of yet.  

Tommy Mottola had connection with John Branca though:

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Actually i've been reading this blog through and there are several interesting articles on the subject, there are certain links between Branca, Mottola, Thome, Colony Capital and AEG

[O-drey-O]

More it goes and stranger it is ...
I don't know how you guys find all this things but you're doing an exellent job!

[the_gloved_one]

Dr Murray supposedly gave Michael Valium, Ativan and Versed (all these drugs are classed as benzodiazepines).
If all the above didn’t work is there a possibility that Michael had become resistant to sedation with the use of the as benzodiazepines (I’m still researching if this is even possible), giving Dr Murray no choice but to use propofol?
There are so many unanswered questions….
 Did Dr Murray have access to Michael’s medical records? Being his personal physician one would assume so?
If Michael suffered with insomnia for some time any medication used to treat this condition in the past would have been documented in his medical records – right? Why give a patient medication that will have no effect?
And the most important question – why was a cardiologist with a shady past treating a chronic insomniac?  Murray was out of his depth. A doc specialising in sleep disorders would have done the job just fine, surely this would have been the best option for Michael! Whoever hired Murray did not have Michaels best interests at heart...something more sinister is going on.

[imabeliever2]

You're absolutely right, gloved_one! Why hire a cardiologist for a sleeping disorder :?: Why hire a cardiologist for a child with a cold :?:  It makes no logical sense.  Why was Michael telling those that he trust "They're trying to kill him"  But we also have to look at Michaels actions.  Apparently, as Michael stated himself he felt his life was in danger and was afraid of what those handling his business affairs were capable of doing to him.  It bothers me that either no one took his "cry for help" serious.  Michael actions tell that he was scared for his life.   During his trial he hired an investigator Noval to investigate the possibility of someone setting him up, after meeting with Noval, MJ saw or felt that Noval didn't have his best interest at heart.  He eventually hired the Nation of Islam for personal bodily protection. I've read that some of his family members said that Michael is too trusting/naive and have allowed the wrong kind of people into his circle.  As we've discovered many of these powerful men in his circle of life had somekind of connection to each other, one way or another.  They would do a good deed for him to gain his trust.  As Michael stated in the telephone conversation, Tohme, had isolated him from everything and everyone that he loves. Things had gotten to the point that Tohme was in full control of his life.  

Apparently, Michael's problems started when he publicly called Mottola out.  But moreso, I believe after Mottola instantly lost his job with Sony.  If Michael no longer took care of his business/personal affairs then who hired Murray.........the person who was taking care of all his business affairs and life...........most likely Tohme!  

I believe Dr. Murray was hired for Michael, MIchael met Murray, liked him/or his personality or what they told him of Murray and agreed.....again trusting the judgement of those he had in charge.  Isn't it ironic how Murray panicked and ran on June 25th or how rumors have started that Tohme Tohme was at the home that day? Why would he be there if Michael had fired him a month or so before this, Isn't it strange that all these guys had some kind of link to each other,  Tohme, Mottola, Malnik, Phillips?? If I'm not mistaken, all these guys have interest in Michael's Estate! Why won't they let Michael's mother see the actual AEG contract?  Better yet, why the missing video footage?  Why did Tohme have over 5million dollars of Michaels money and expensive items from his home which were only surrendered after Michael's family questionioned the missing money.  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

It appears they found an innocent doctor with a past and legal/financial problems, a doctor who would be desperate for money and so grateful for it that he would ask no questions, someone who would look guilty enough to be capable of a serious medical mistake. I'm sure THEY deeply check his background first.  Murry stated that what he thought was an opportunity of a lifetime has turned into a nightmare!  Thinking about all of this, I probably would have ran from the hospital too. I believe hiring Murray was a set-up, as stated earlier in this thread, a fall guy!  Someone to cover up their plot!  

If Michael's fans are finding all this, just imagine what his investigators are finding and we don't even have access to everything.

As scarry as it sounds, only a few things could have happened:

He is in a witness protection program, meaning we will never see him again as the Michael Jackson that we know

He lost his life in this mess (God Forbid)

Knowing what they were trying to do to him, he out smarted them and escaped somehow


There are just too many inconsistencies in every area involving this case and obviously Tohme and the gang are having lies published to throw people off. This entire plot isn't something that was planned overnight, but has been brewing for years. I can't remember where right now, but I even read that Paul McCarthy is somehow even linked to one of these guys.  Don't quote me on this one because we'll have to do more investigative research.    


In my heart and spirit I feel he's still alive and well!  Apparently, we all do!  But we deserve the truth of what really happened to our MJ!

I will continue to report everything that I find to support that MJ didn't hire Murray, who did and why.

[imabeliever2]

Almost forgot!

This question was brought up here as well.......Colony Capital's involvement in arranging the concert deal.  

I read that Tohme used to work for Colony Capital and that he set up the mtgs. with Colony Capital, AEG and Michael.  So again, this was some of Tohme's doing.....

Here is where Michael agreed to do 10 concerts.......Unknowingly someone changed it to 50 concerts without Michael's knowledge.

[tinker_bell]

Almost forgot!

This question was brought up here as well.......Colony Capital's involvement in arranging the concert deal.  

I read that Tohme used to work for Colony Capital and that he set up the mtgs. with Colony Capital, AEG and Michael.  So again, this was some of Tohme's doing.....

Here is where Michael agreed to do 10 concerts.......Unknowingly someone changed it to 50 concerts without Michael's knowledge.

Aha! again that Thome.... It's odd that there's no news about LAPD checking on him after it's been explicitly said MJ was afraid of that man and fired him and yet he appeared in UCLA as if nothing happened, may be related to Muray and had his hands in MJ estate... On LAPD official site the last update on the case was on August 28 which explains nothing and ends with:

"The LAPD will not comment on any further aspects of this investigation".
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WTH??? Why such secrecy if that is just a 'doctor' thing.... and yet last month TMZ somehow got information about the "mysterious date" in the case which happens to be (according to TMZ) January 18 and search warrants been unsealed. Wouldn't LAPD wanna comment on that? It's not an average case of shop-lifting, one would expect them to at least make it SEEM they're busy with it  :shock:

[imabeliever2]

Thanks tinker_bell, that was great information!

Look at the agencies involved in this investigation:

The United States Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration; the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement; the Houston Police Department and Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.  

The California Department of Justice and The United States Department of Justice??

Maybe they are working, but obviously can't share the information.  I think pretty much they would want to stay low-key while they're still working on this case, to prevent interference.  

I don't think all these agencies would be involved for a doctor who accidently kills a patient.  IDK  

Someone else here in another thread stated they read from a statement something about
the public not being able to handle the real truth........I agree!

But one thing that we have to remember is that Michael's circle was with many who were affiliated with the mafia.  We don't know the true reason why....he trusted these people and I know many of us say "he wouldn't allow this or that around his children".  If these shady characters were around him, they were around his children.  

I believe he initially thought these people were good (changed) people. But as he found out better began to try and eliminate them from his life.

[michaelsupporter]

I am really confused now. Would someone please explain to me what gave AEG the legal right or authority to fire MJ's staff?  Was Michael owned by AEG? This sounds non-plausible to me and scary!!!!

[tinker_bell]

Someone else here in another thread stated they read from a statement something about
the public not being able to handle the real truth........I agree!

That was in an article by Firpo Carr i believe

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He is not speaking clear in the article and i don't like when people don't speak clear. Either you say what you have to say or you keep it to yourself. He was another 'spiritual adviser" like that 'Miss Cleo'-looking lady whom Michael called to talk about Thome.... wtf?? "Michael, it's not good! - I know it's not good, that's why i'm calling you!" If he was afraid of Thome why to call that lady, how she's gonna help for Christ's sake?? That makes me so angry and confused!

There's another article by Carr:

Michael's Murky Murder Mystery?  
Written by Dr. Firpo W. Carr, (Columnist), on 09-24-2009 00:00
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Michael's Murky Murder Mystery?

"They're trying to kill me"

Though the media hype has died down around the controversial and mysterious death of Michael Jackson, millions of fans from around the world are still keenly interested in how, why, and who was behind it. Interestingly, if there are indeed shady figures involved-and more than a few, including family members, are convinced of this-these suspects perhaps have overlooked the fact that Michael has scores of admirers in law enforcement agencies spanning the globe. A few of Michael's law enforcement friends, as well as amateur would-be detectives, have contacted me with what they consider to be damning evidence showing that Michael was murdered. La Toya Jackson, Michael's older sister, shared her own thoughts on the matter with Barbara Walters in a 20/20 interview that aired September 11, 2009.

La Toya Talks & Tells: "I knew Michael was surrounded by people that positioned themselves in his life," says La Toya, "positioned themselves to control and take advantage of him. And that's what bothered me more than anything else because I knew something terrible would happen at the end," she told Walters. That's not all. La Toya comes right out and says: "Not to mention the fact that Michael constantly told me, 'La Toya ...if I die...they're going to murder me, they're going to kill me.'" La Toya further reveals in guarded language: "I don't know exactly who. I think there are more players involved than we know. This is just my opinion. This is what I feel. I know what Michael was afraid of ... he was afraid of his life. He would say, 'I'm afraid of my life. I'm afraid they're going to assassinate me. I'm afraid they're going to kill me.'"

Declaration to Dick: Famed activist Dick Gregory called me several weeks ago and revealed that Michael Jackson told him that "they (presumably Michael's business associates) are trying to kill me."

When Michael Called Carr: Way back in 2004 during his trial Michael Jackson called me and said that prosecutors knew that he was innocent of child molestation charges, but pursued this strategy to wrest control of his music catalogue from him. "They're after my Beatles' catalogue," he complained. "They just want my music ...I would never hurt a child, and they know that." I reassured him that I was convinced of his innocence. "I love you," he responded. I pretended not to hear him. So, he said it again. "I love you." I tried to change the subject by returning to my firm belief in his innocence. It didn't work. "I love you," he said for a third time. I finally acquiesced and said, "I love you too Michael," to which he immediately responded most sincerely, "I love you more."

Tormented by Tohme: Michael Jackson was none too pleased with Dr. Tohme Tohme, who is the former brother-in-law of Randy Phillips, CEO of AEG, the company that was sponsoring Michael's tours. In a telephone conversation with and recorded by confidante June Gatlin in September 2008 (apparently Michael wasn't aware he was being recorded - she said he knew), the King of Pop complained about tactics used by Tohme. Several times after having me on his show to talk about Michael's death Geraldo Rivera actually aired the conversation between Michael and Gatlin on August 31, 2009. (he then deleted everything regarding MJ from his site!)

bla-bla-bla - the Miss Cleo conversation

Many of Michael's fans are wondering why the other networks aren't highlighting the fact that Michael was not content-to understate it-with AEG representative Dr. Tohme Tohme. They're wondering why AEG didn't come out criticizing Dr. Conrad Murray, and why AEG allegedly took out drug overdose insurance on Michael.

Suspicious Sony & AEG Guilty?: The following are direct communications from well informed, well placed Michael Jackson fans: "I wanted to share with you some of the information about AEG that I have uncovered. According to their website, AEG Teleworks (an affiliate of AEG) handles production, post-production, off-site production, and telecast services for ABC, CBS, and NBC. This is probably the reason why when anyone states that they believe Michael was murdered or that AEG was conducting shady business, their assertions seem to fall on deaf ears. I have not seen any of the mainstream media outlets besides ABC promoting Barbara Walters' interview with LaToya that is scheduled to air tonight (although it has been known for weeks now that the interview was scheduled to air on September 11th). That's mighty strange considering that anyone who claims Michael was an addict or a 'tortured soul' or 'begged' for drugs gets unlimited airtime. I just wanted to share this information with you. If you are interested in any of the other information that I have uncovered, I would be happy to share that with you as well. Thank you so much for speaking up on Michael's behalf....Please let Michael's family know that they are not fighting this battle by themselves, and that the Body of Christ is covering them in prayer. God bless you!!"

Another informative fan wrote: "If you click on the link that I have posted at the bottom of this message, it will take you to the webpage for Bounce Event Marketing (another affiliate of AEG). One of their specialties is 'high-end music industry events,' and SONY is one of their many clients. So, even though Sony paid millions of dollars for Michael's rehearsal footage for the purposes of turning it into a movie, AEG will still be getting paid indirectly through Bounce Event Marketing. They have their hands in just about everything, don't they?"

Yet another fan reveals that Dr. Tohme is a close personal fried of Tom Barack, chairman of Colony Capital, the company that now owns Neverland; and that Frank Dileo, Michael's former manager, was on the board of Sony Records.

As stories develop rest assured that, God willing, these will be reflected in my column. Why am I doing it? Because of a legal and moral pact between Michael and me. Peace and blessings. Amen.

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What he doesn't mention is MJ family inviting Kenny Ortega to direct Memorial and Funeral. Why would they do it if AEG and the whole TII arrangement was a prelude to killing Michael? Wouldn't they know by then?

Look at the agencies involved in this investigation:

The United States Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration; the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement; the Houston Police Department and Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.  

The California Department of Justice and The United States Department of Justice??

Wow, I didn't pay attention to that! Can this be just formality?... and i wonder about those 'admirers in law enforcement agencies' MJ had  'spanning the globe'!

Sorry for a messed up post, my head is a mess too!

[Oyan]

This is all sounding much more horrifying than I care to accept.... :cry:

[the_gloved_one]

Gosh this whole situation is a mess...so on the  day of Michael's "death" (according to Latoya) AEG brings back all the people tha Michael dismissed and fires all the staff from the beverley hill property and the 2nd home in Las Vegas? Why bring back peole that Michael wanted out of his life - did they have such little respect for Michael? Early on in the year Michael's handlers prevent his family from visiting him, could AEG been have been involved in this to? I have also just discovered that Dr Murray is no longer certified with the American board of medical specialists...this gets more shady by the hour!

[O-drey-O]

They're wondering why AEG didn't come out criticizing Dr. Conrad Murray, and why AEG allegedly took out drug overdose insurance on Michael.

Yes it's something to add to the "weird list" ... Maybe I'm a little too paranoiac but they may have known how Michael would "die" (really die or hoax his death)

God this Tohme Tohme is everywhere... According to the infos we have, he prevented Michael from seeing the ones he loved to control him and making him weaker... He was fired then suddenly reappeared and still speaks in Michael's name, AEG fired Michael's staff, Michael had been forced to do 50 concert instead of 10 ... I don't understand, wasn't Michael the BOSS ?! Why did he have to accept things he didn't want ?
Indeed, it's quite strange and raises more questions than answers.
There must be so many things we don't know ...  :?

[tinker_bell]

Murray's patients rate him on healthgrades.com (looks like our guy - see profile):

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I wonder if there's a way to see when these ratings were done... I was also interested to see his qualifications (awards and recognition) but you can only get it through a backgroung check:

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it's funny, if you choose to see the sample report it shows one on Dr. Bogus... that's what i always believed Murray to be!  :lol:

but i must admit he's got more real as time passed...