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QuoteAs for the pins in the pants, it's obvious that they were hemming them for height, not because he had no ass (and yah, he was thin) you can see in that video that the pants were way too long and elephant skinned around his feet and ankles. My cousin is a tailor and I have seen her pin pants above the ass exactly in this photo.yes, I always pin my bum when my hem is to long...as well as all along the outside of my thigh too, just like the picture.(they are pinning the bum to take up extra fabric from lack of bum tissue and taking in the thigh due to decreased mass from the first time they measured him) It's obvious from these two pictures these pants were too big. I guess he lost a little since they first measured him....the pants you are talking about, that are too long, are the mock ups, they make the costumes first out of a muslin fabric. Once the fit is right, they use the muslin as a patern, take it apart and use it to cut on the real fabric...that is why they are all white cotton. The pants that are pinned in the bum are the finished product...the shiny pants.
As for the pins in the pants, it's obvious that they were hemming them for height, not because he had no ass (and yah, he was thin) you can see in that video that the pants were way too long and elephant skinned around his feet and ankles. My cousin is a tailor and I have seen her pin pants above the ass exactly in this photo.
Quote from: "Mariso83"Quote from: "mykidsmum"Quote from: "Mariso83"Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing. yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.I don't quote followers! I saw that footage myself and I made a video about it! Did you know he had oxygen tanks off stage that he used often? Show me in TII one rehearsal of a dance number that he completes all the way through? They are bits and pieces put together from various days! Kenny Ortega said himself he was force feeding MJ, cutting his chicken and feeding it to him. It is one thing to dance in bursts, it's the SUSTAINED energy he needed that he did not have, he didn't have the STAMINA and Mr. Increddible Hulk himself said that (his personal trainer) He said MJ couldn't lift a 2 pound weight! Forget about weight, where is a man who is NOT sleeping, going to get energy to perform? How is that healthy? Here is my video[youtube:4fh3qr32]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6I1LuwHeSc[/youtube:4fh3qr32]
Quote from: "mykidsmum"Quote from: "Mariso83"Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.Sorry but to dance like he was dancing in TII he was healthy!!!!!!! You need a lot of energy to dance the way he was dancing. yeah yeah he said he was too thin but this not come from his mouth! This came from the followers mouth. I don't have any respect about these followers sorry.Well it's your opinion and u won't change mine. I'm a dancer too and I know u need a lot of energy to dance. I lost a lot of weight while I was dancing. So no way Michael was in bad shape.
Quote from: "Mariso83"Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me MJ told fans himself that was caught on tape that he was upset about 50 concerts and that he was one man and that he would need to put on some weight. the footage is now gone! AEG took it down! He was not healthy...he WAS too thin and he said so himself...Now all there is is written transcript of what he said on the net.
Yes he was thin but I don't think he was that skinny. During the Thriller era and Dangerous era he was that thin. Let's not forget he is dancer and he was rehearsing. It's normal for a dancer to loose weight. I don't know one single dancer who is not loosing weight when he is dancing or rehearsing. Michael was a in good shape. In TII, we saw a MJ in good shape. If he wasn't in good shape, no way he will able to dance like that!!! I know what I'm talking about I'm a dancer too and to dance u need to be in a good shape.By the way, when you are skinny it doesn't mean u are sick or in a bad shape. I have a friend who is skinnier than Michael (we can almost see the shape of her bones) and she is in better shape than me
here is a screen shot of his pants from behind...sorry ladies, his bum was gone! Look at the pins! They had to pin his pants in! He was in NO SHAPE to perform...give me a break Kenney Ortega!
MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?! I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
when I went to see the Michael Jackson exhibition at th 02 London I was amazed at how small Michael was the costumes for the 80s and the videos from that time his trousers were very small he has always been very slim and it would not have taken much for him to become dangerously under weight
ILuvUMoreMJ wroteFrom what I understand, that does mean he had no vital signs. Asystolic basically means you're flatlined...there is no electrical activity or blood flow to the brain. And when the pupils are fixed and dilated that usually means you're braindead. That's consistent with the paramedic's wife's statement when she said her husband told her MJ was already gone before they got there. :cry: :cry:
I think this is very intriguing, especially since the designer says (at the beginning of the video) that the fitting happened "maybe a week before he passed". Page 13 of the autopsy report says, under the heading "Evidence Of Recent Therapy", that there were "numerous punctures over both arms." The sketches on page 39 of the report show the punctures. Among others, a "puncture plus contusion" appears on each of the arms, right below the elbows. These should be visible in the video/pictures from the fitting, and they aren't!! I'm very puzzled. Could it be that Murray (assuming he killed MJ) stuffed him with drugs on the night of June 24/25 and injected him with propofol for the first time? Murray claimed he'd administered propofol to MJ before, but we only seem to have his word for that... The evidence is missing! The autopsy report also says that there's no known case of propofol being used to treat insomnia! Moreover, multiple bottles were found (many emptied of almost all of the contents), but no prescription for propofol was found, and no name of a doctor or patient. I find this very sketchy. (Murray had prescribed other anti-insomnia drugs to MJ.) Another thing that makes me wonder: why was a *cardiologist* hired for MJ? If the doctor's job was to take care of MJ and keep him in good health for the concerts, wouldn't a nutritionist or GP have been more appropriate?! The main problems MJ seemed to face when touring or rehearsing a lot were eating, staying hydrated and sleeping. A cardiologist doesn't seem the kind of doctor needed to address those problems!! And MJ did, in fact, complain of being dehydrated and unable to sleep when he called Murray at 1 AM on June 25 (at night). (This detail is on page 2 of the autopsy report.) Did Murray do anything to address the dehydration?! The report only says that "Dr. Murray went to the decedent's residence and administered medical care. The details and extent of this medical care are currently unknown; though the decedent slept for several hours and Dr. Murray was at the bedside." The dehydration itself could be a sign that MJ needed to be taken to the hospital, and if Murray didn't address it then that could indicate incompetence or criminal intentions or utter recklessness. Also: notice that MJ slept for several hours that night!! If so, I don't understand why he would still try to sleep (and ask for propofol or something!) after 10 AM, given that his kids had breakfast around 9 AM and MJ was typically up by 10-10:30 AM (the time when Murray usually delivered breakfast to him, according to Kai Chase). And 12-12:30 was when MJ had lunch with the kids! Moreover, I understand he was going to have rehearsals later in the day, starting around 2 PM...The key question, I guess, is WHEN Murray injected MJ with propofol and what exactly happened until 12:21, when the 911 call was placed. The autopsy report says (based on Murray's statements?) that he discovered around 12 that MJ wasn't breathing, and that he put him on the bedroom floor and began CPR. Now if the 911 call isn't fake, we know that MJ was actually on the bed and so Murray must have lied about placing him on the floor. He also seems to have lied about other things, so he could also be lying about the time he administered the propofol and when he discovered MJ wasn't breathing... No? On the other hand, MJ doesn't appear to have been dead when the paramedics arrived -- the report says only that he was "asystolic" and "his pupils were fixed and dilated". Had he been dead, maybe the report would have said that there were no vital signs?! Or do you think someone could be bribed into saying "asystolic" rather than "no vital signs"?! I feel so sorry for Michael... Something seems rotten in the state of CA.
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