Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: bec on March 03, 2010, 11:34:24 PM
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Please listen to what I have to say. Please read this entire post.
One thing we, yes WE, lose site of, the Jackson family came from very humble beginnings in Gary, Indiana. They truly are the American dream. A poor black family living in a tiny house in the murder capital of the US, a derelect town, surrounded by gangs and violence and crime.... Joe shepherded that family to a better life, and if it wasn't for him.... for JOE, we may never have known Michael.
This is Michael's home in Gary. Think about this. Think about growing up here and what it took to become the Michael Jackson we know from these beginings. Next time you diss Joe, or any member of the Jackson family, and say hateful things about them, remember that Joe took his family from here to where they are now. There are 100 million Black families in America living in homes just like this one:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/Michael%20Jackson/DSCN3135.jpg)
The Jackson family could have easily taken a very different path. It happens every day. It happens more often then not. Their story is amazing. Michael, with the support system of his family, came from poverty to rise to the greatest heights of a world icon. Not just a pop star but a global figure. He did this all not in spite of them, but BECAUSE OF THEM.
Remember this is where our beloved Michael came from. Remember it is because of Joe that they got out of here, because of the love and strength within the Jackson family, they escaped Gary and it's economic trap. Many, too many young families are not so lucky, not only in Gary, but in a thousand small towns and villages and cities across the country.
There is a systematic, imbedded culture of racism in this country. If the Jackson family had been white, I don't believe they would be subjected to the criticism that they are. I don't believe they would be the butt of cruel jokes and scrutinization of their every move and word. America loves to see a black man fall from grace. If the Jackson's had been a white family they would have been championed and held up as a shining example of what hard work and perseverance can accomplish. They would be reveared as heros and a model for the rest of us. Michael scraped out an existance for himself that was on top of the world, and he could not have done it without the loving support system of the strong family unit that is the Jacksons. His accomplishments, and that of the entire family made him and them a target in this country. Eyes need to be opened. We need to recognize the ugly truth. Racism is alive and well and it drives this entire campaign of hate against Michael. Racism drives the campaign of hate in this country. It touches all corners of life here, like a cancer.
Hate has the power to destroy everything we build and do and become. But hate only has power when it is given a venue. Hate thrives in the environment of ignorance and intollerance and fear.
Please understand, when you pass judgement on the Jackson family you are behaving absolutely no better then the media who has crucified Michael and his family alive for the past 20 years. This needs to stop. And it needs to stop NOW. L.O.V.E. isn't just a cute little cliche phrase to put in your siggy and make you feel like you're doing something while you turn around and behave exactly as the vultures and leaches who tried SO HARD to destroy this beautiful, gentle man for so very long.
Don't ever forget, Michael loves his family and they love Michael, and NO ONE has the right to doubt or dispairage that love. Do not judge because you doubt yourself. Do not criticize because you are unhappy inside. Make that change. Spread some happiness and love and tollerance and YOU will reap the reward. YOU will benefit because your small contribution will flourish and spread and come back on you, 1000x over. Happiness is infectious, love is contageous. Everyone has it, time to share it, because when you do, the reward is the greatest riches that cannot be registered on any bank account or check ledger. The reward is what you feel inside, when you smile at a stranger, when you perform a random act of kindness, when you practice tollerance and acceptance and then have it granted back on you again. This is what will save the world.
And it starts right here, with us. WITH YOU.
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Yes . I totally agree !! I read stuff here about MJ'S family that is not respectful at all and I always say I HOPE MJ DOESN'T SEE THIS and imagine how he would feel about it .. We love Michael we have to respect his family and their privacy .. Thank you so much for this post !!
PEACE ALL ..
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I totally agree with you! :geek:
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Exactly.
I've actually posted about this before.
A lot of people are being very disrespectful towards the Jackson family.
Do you think Michael would want to read this trash?
:( Think about it guys. You can get your message across without cussing them out and being totally mean about it.
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AMEN BEC AMEN SISTER!
:D
finally someone stands up for this wonderful family.
Thank God ! it's about time.
that the hypocrites are called out. :evil:
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Exactly.
I've actually posted about this before.
A lot of people are being very disrespectful towards the Jackson family.
Do you think Michael would want to read this trash?
:( Think about it guys. You can get your message across without cussing them out and being totally mean about it.
I agree!, it hurts me to see people bashing about the Jackson family, including michael's fans who do this too! Guys just because Michael didn't had a very good relationship with his family does not mean we have to hate them now does it? Don't you all remember that Michael forgave Joe for what he did to him in the past?... Stop making fun of this family "Make love not war" right :)
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Very good post and I 100% agree with you,now I wonder exactly how many people who agree with you now will remember this the next time something comes up in another post concerning ANYONE after all none of us should ever be judging someone,ONLY looking for clues in the subject or article.People tend to forget during the heat of the moment and fail to realize what they are really doing so hopefully this reminder will help those that do tend to cut others down to not do so...
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Thanks for posting! I couldnt have put it better myself
people need to look at the positives in MJ's family because thats what matters
stop bringing up things that he already forgave
and I agree about what you said about race
the world we live in is gross
we need to make that change!
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I do agree with what you are saying. However, this is not to bash anyone in his family, but I just don't have much respect for Joe after the BET awards. The reporter was asking about how the family was doing and all that he could do was promote his record label. I'm sorry, but if that were me saying that after I had lost my child, I would hope that someone would slap me and tell me to get back to reality. That is my opinion and only mine. I don't make anyone's mind up for them and I will never persuade someone to believe my beliefs. I just know that I was so heartbroken and still in the crying phase when Joe said this on national tv. I was so angry and so sad when I saw that on tv.
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Great post Bec,just bravo to it, if we love and respect Michael, we must love and respect each member of his family,who are we to judge?im so thankful to Ms Katherine and Mr Joe for giving birth to our Michael and bringing him up in an excellent way.
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Bec: I love your post and applaud you for taking the time to actually write it. I, too, get a little angry at the liberties people take with MJ's family: but unlike you, I say nothing. So, Kudos to you for defending MJ's family. Let me give an example of how my family operate: I have an argument with one of my six siblings and I let off steam to my friend about said sibling. I don't particularly expect or want my friend to then start criticizing and talking derogatorily about my sibling. The only thing that I want is a friendly, sympathetic ear to sound off in. You see? One Love.
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I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.
Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.
While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.
Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.
BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.
Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.
I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.
I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.
Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance. Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?
Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.
Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.
We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.
I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.
Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.
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Thanks bec for this post. I know the other thread was deleted because of all the craziness. I'm glad you addressed this because so many people make insulting comments about Jermaine, LaToya and his other family members. People always talk about not judging Michael, but how can you say that and turn around and judge Jermaine, when you don't know him. We have no idea what he's going through. It really bothers me.
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I dislike Joe Jackson very much. I don't trust him. I know MJ has forgiven this father, to me this proves that his heart is bigger than mine and that I still have to learn and grow. But no one can force me to respect Joe Jackson, just because of his history. I also grew up in poverty, with a single mum on wellfare not being able to look after her children, so I was always outside, on the streets. Hanging out with wrong people. Nowadays I own a company and I'm doing mighty fine.
I don't ask anyone to respect me for that. And no one can demand me to respect Joe Jackson and the other members of the family.
If I am wrong and Michael is indeed dead, I disrespect some family members even more. Especially Jermaine, flying all over the world, making a living of off his brothers death, leaving his children with his old aged mother and telling them to buy stun guns.
@Bec, nothing of what I typed above is meant to disrespect you. Your post is incredible and even though I don't know you, from this post alone I dare to conclude that your heart is very big and beautiful. Apart from that, you are 100% right.
LOVE.
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I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.
Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.
While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.
Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.
BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.
VERY VERY WELL SAID.!!!!!
Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.
I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.
I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.
Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance. Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?
Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.
Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.
We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.
I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.
Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.
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I agree with bec 100%. Thanks for posting.
I also want to say that I do understand why you guys do not view Joe in the best light due to what he put Michael and the whole family through. However, I think bec is not trying to say what Joe did was okay and we should embrace that. I think what she is trying to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong, bec) is that no matter what, we should learn to respect him and his family and one another first and foremost. We should try to be more understanding of each other's life stories. This is what L.O.V.E. is all about. Choosing to be respectful is more powerful than any number of bad terms you throw at Joe or anyone in his family. Besides, we don't know them so why be so judgmental? If Michael can forgive him, why can't you?
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I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.
Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.
While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.
Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.
BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.
Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.
I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.
I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.
Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance. Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?
Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.
Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.
We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.
I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.
Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.
I agree with you that what Joe did wasn't necessary and that although he played a role in Michael's success, he wasn't responsible for his success. Michael took charge of his own career, separate from the Jacksons. I just think that some people grew up in homes where we were beaten as a form of discipline, so it's seen as almost normal. People who have experienced something similar to what Joe did, aren't immediately outraged by it because it's not uncommon. I'm not defending him in any way, but I've seen much worse than Joe and that's sad.
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I would agree with this post, but it's quite bold to say that pretty much no one here respects the family. I'm sorry that many African American families still live that way. I'm sorry, it's life. There are other options out there besides music. We get up each day and make the best of what we have. At least they have a roof over their head. Except this post is about the Jackson family. I highly respect them, they have made a complete 360 as to what their lives could have been like. As for Joe, i too based my opinions off of what Michael has said, but he's forgiven him. I do not hate him, i don't even know the man. Without him and without Katherine, he or his brothers wouldn't even be in existence, much less have a music career. Stay strong, keep the love.
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Amen!!! I counldn't have said it better myself. Thank you so much for sharing your concerns with us. I hope people read this and really understand the struggle and how The Jacksons over came that struggle!! It goes deeper than the music.
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I dont judge... but respect is earnt.
You are assuming you know me, and other members... and our background, our childhoods and our homes.
I understand Michael more than you will ever know because of my own curcumstances... so i dont need to be told who to respect and why.
I understand what you have written above.. but i also understand Michael when he says he was beaten and ridiculed, and how he was the familys breadwinner for all his life.
Like i said.. respect is earnt. Its not a right.
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Well said Bec!
I've noticed lately that there has been alot of "bashing" going on here and it is really disturbing to me, when Michael's message is all about LOVE, not HATE. When people insult and bash, Joe or Randy or Jermaine or Dr. Murray, or any of them, they are doing the exact opposite of what Michael is asking us all to do! We can't "judge" them for their shortcomings on "hearsay", we don't know the truth and we won't until we hear it from Michael himself. Bashing Michael's family members is just wrong IMO.
There is so much more that I could say, but I don't want to go off on a tangent...i just wish that more people would concentrate on the LOVE we should be spreading to let Michael know that we get his message. The people who insist on bashing the family is getting us nowhere fast. ALL families have issues, no one is perfect, but what they do or say is their business, not ours!
I'm here to do my part and that part includes trying to be a better person, by being respectful and loving to everyone I meet. I really try everyday to do some good deeds and I take more time each day to try and make a positive change in the way I live and the way I love. It is much easier and more rewarding to love and find the positives in your own daily life then it is to dwell on the negativity and judge the "shortcomings" of others. So instead of bashing the Jackson family, take that valuable time and do something loving for yourself, your family or even a complete stranger and see how good it feels!
Please, lets stop all the bashing and start spreading the LOVE again. Thanks for listening!
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This is all happening because the truth isnt being told, and people are getting fustrated.
This is the reason.
If everyone just spoke up and told the truth, all this anger and fustration would vanish.
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THANK YOU!!!!
I'm so tired of people bashing Michael's family.
We don't know them personally and so we don't know their entire relationship and dynamic.
Only what is in the media.
And isn't that what Michael wanted us to avoid - judging him and others based on how they're portrayed in the media?
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
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I dont judge... but respect is earnt.
You are assuming you know me, and other members... and our background, our childhoods and our homes.
I understand Michael more than you will ever know because of my own curcumstances... so i dont need to be told who to respect and why.
I understand what you have written above.. but i also understand Michael when he says he was beaten and ridiculed, and how he was the familys breadwinner for all his life.
Like i said.. respect is earnt. Its not a right.
I agree 100% with you.
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Wow... my god that was a powerful post!
Thank you for that!
I totally understand. I hate seeing people on here bashing Michael's family... most noticably Joe, Jermaine and LaToya.
For whatever reason people may not like them.. valid or not, they were still Michael's family and he still loved them unconditionally. Who are we to bring that into question?
If we love Michael we have to love him for everything that he is and everyone who he loves. That includes his family. And if we cant do that then....
what hope is there left?
This world needs more love in it!
L.O.V.E
(P.s. I love that feeling when you randomly smile at strangers :D )
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
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I dont judge... but respect is earnt.
You are assuming you know me, and other members... and our background, our childhoods and our homes.
I understand Michael more than you will ever know because of my own curcumstances... so i dont need to be told who to respect and why.
I understand what you have written above.. but i also understand Michael when he says he was beaten and ridiculed, and how he was the familys breadwinner for all his life.
Like i said.. respect is earnt. Its not a right.
THEN WHEN MICHAEL DECIDES TO COME OUT SURROUNDED BY HIS FAMILY CAUSE THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY IF HE DECIDES TO COME OUT
KEEP YOU ASS HOME CAUSE ALL YOU WILL SEE IS MICHAEL SURROUNDED BY HIS LOVING FAMILY.
THEY ARE HIS FLESH AND BLOOD PERIOD ! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM KEEP YOUR HATRED TO YOURSELF, AND YOUR DISRESPECT TOO.
DON'T SHOVE IT DOWN OUR THORATS.
AND KEEP YOUR HYPOCRISY HOME AND DON'T COME ANYWHERE AROUND MJ CAUSE YOU AIN'T NO FAN OF HIS CAUSE HE MAY HAVE BASHED HIS DAD BUT HE RECOGNIZED THAT HE MADE A HUGHES MISTAKE AND SAID THAT HE AND HIS FATHER ARE FINE AND THEY LOVE EACH OTHER AND HE LOVES HIS FAMILY.
WHEN MJ WAS IN LOS ANGELES AT THE FAMILY REUNION GUESS WHAT YOU WEREN'T THERE,
BUT HIS WHOLE FAMILY, MOTHER, FATHER, BROTHERS AND SISTER, NEPHEWS AND NIECES, WHERE THERE INCLUDING HIS KIDS.
AND YOU WERE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND NONE OF YOU HATING ON HIS FAMILY WERE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND, IT WAS A FAMILY AFFAIR ONLY,
THAT SHOWS YOU THAT MJ WILL NEVER CHOOSE ANYONE ELSE OVER HIS FAMILY.
NO MATTER WHAT FAMILY BANDS BUT DON'T BREAK.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
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Bravo, bravo, bravo!
Thank you for posting this. I agree 100%. Criticism of the Jackson family is criticism of Michael. He is a part of his family, just as we are a part of ours. I may not always agree with my parents and siblings, but they are my family and I love and respect them. I would defend them wholly if anyone was critical towards them. Can you imagine how it might make Michael feel, having people "dis" his family?
I applaud and respect Mr. and Mrs. Jackson for all that they were all to provide and create for their family, despite all of the obstacles presented to them. Family is about loving and supporting one another, even when it's not always easy. Parents make mistakes; they generally do the best they know how to do in that moment in time. I believe Michael set a good example by forgiving his father. It is healthy and empowering to forgive. There's a quote that expresses this well: “Not forgiving is like drinking rat poison and then waiting for the rat to die.”
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@DOITNOWMJ... i do not hate Michaels family or his father. I do not know where you got that from.
Please do not direct your anger and aggression towards me. Thankyou.
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@DOITNOWMJ... i do not hate Michaels family or his father. I do not know where you got that from.
Please do not direct your anger and aggression towards me. Thankyou.
YEAH TRY TO PORTRAY ME AS AN ANGRY BLACK WOMAN, TIPYCAL STEREOTYPE.
BUT IT AIN'T WORKING ON ME.
IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO ANSWER TO YOUR POST THEN DON'T SAY WHAT YOU SAY.
PERIOD!
AND NO I AM NOT ANGRY JUST DISGUSTED WITH ALL THE HATRED AND BASHING GOING ON THIS SITE.
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@DOITNOWMJ... where have i said you are an angry black woman? This is coming from you, not me. :roll:
Let it go and stop being confrontational on this forum.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
SPANKING HURT BUT YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MJ SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HOW HIS FATHER RAISED HIM CAUSE IT MADE HIM WHO HE IS TODAY.
THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT MJ HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER HAS FORGIVEN HIM TOO, I AM GLAD THAT JOE IS MICHAEL'S FATHER, AND I WOULDN'T WANT A CHILD LIKE YOU EITHER CAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO MY HOUSE TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE YOU, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP WITH AN EYE OPEN CAUSE I WOULD BE SCARED YOU WOULD TRY TO HARM ME.
WHILE I SLEEP, SINCE YOU CANNOT BE DISCIPLINED.
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@DOITNOWMJ... where have i said you are an angry black woman? This is coming from you, not me. :roll:
Let it go and stop being confrontational on this forum.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT MY ANGER! i have the right to be angry and fed up by all the bashing of the jackson family on here i am sick of it,
you say that you love MJ and are big fans etc. but you come here and if the jacksons where in front of you you could beat the hell out of them ,
if there was to be no retributiojn.
and you wonder why people are starting to come out saying enough is enough?
and when you are called out on it you say that you are under attack and people are angry?
well deal with it.
and i mean it.
now call me rude or whatever i don't care, i said what i said and i mean what i said and i will not apologize,
and if the seeds was planted in your garden then reap the fruits that grew out of it.
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Bec, I'm 100% with you on that!!!!
GREAT POST!
Respect!
Respect!
Respect!
and L.O.V.E.
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Bec, I'm 100% with you on that!!!!
GREAT POST!
Respect!
Respect!
Respect!
and L.O.V.E.
AMEN I AGREE TOO.
i am sick of these hateful so called fans coming here and bash the family.
you don't like them , then fine but don't spit your venom on the good fans and taint them.
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I have never said i would beat the hell out of the Jacksons DOITNOWMJ.... where are you getting this from, for heavens sake??? Are you directing this at me or at the forum in general?
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ahh please...DOITNOWMJ, who urinated on your cake today ??? You know, even if your not spanked on a regular basis as a child, you can STIL be a citizen who can give something to the society.But that's news to you i guess...And just because you forgive somebody does not mean, that it's forgotten, but you have to live on with the family. And Michael have also said, that even as a adult, he was scared of his father.
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ahh please...DOITNOWMJ, who urinated on your cake today ??? You know, even if your not spanked on a regular basis as a child, you can STIL be a citizen who can give something to the society.But that's news to you i guess...And just because you forgive somebody does not mean, that it's forgotten, but you have to live on with the family. And Michael have also said, that even as a adult, he was scared of his father.
MICHAEL'S FAMILY IS MICHAEL'S FAMILY AND MICHAEL IS STILL TALKING TO HIS FATHER TIL THE DAY THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WHICH IS TODAY ALLOWS ME TO SEE.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
THIS IS MICHAEL'S FATHER AND THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT MICHAEL WILL CHOOSE YOUR ASS OVER HIS FATHER, HE HAS NOT FORGOTTEN BUT GUESS WHAT DID MICHAEL CALL YOU WHEN HE ORGANIZED THE FAMILY MEETING AT THE RESTAURANT IN LOS ANGELES?
NO! HE DIDN'T INVITE YOU WHY?
BECAUSE YOU AIN'T FAMILY YOU AIN'T BLOOD, RELATIVE,
HIS FAMILY WAS THERE NO MATTER WHAT.
THEY ARE FAMILY.
YOUR ASS IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.
AND I SATND BY EVERYTHING THAT I SAID TO YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DEAL WITH THE SHIT.
I MEAN IT.
AND I DO NOT LIKE CAKE,
SO NO ONE PISSED ON IT BUT YOUR UNDERTONE BIGOTERY AND RACISM HAS TO BE CALLED OUT AND I WILL CALL IT OUT.
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Michael stand for love, peace and respect. I hold that in my heart.
Everyone, remember that message and lets not argue amongst ourselves.
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hey - no racism on this site
calm down
we have all the colours on this site, we are part of the worlds community
there is no racism
dont accuse pp of being racist - its not the case
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Michael stand for love, peace and respect. I hold that in my heart.
Everyone, remember that message and lets not argue amongst ourselves.
i LOVE THIS BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF MICHAEL THAT YOU POSTED, THANKS FOR DOING THAT,
IT WARMS MY ACHING HEART.
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I do agree with what has been posted and I always have my deepest respect for the whole Jackson family. But although for some family members I have some more respect than for some other family members. But that doesn't mean we are always bashing or anything. We only have different opinions about every family member. But that doesn't mean we don't love the whole family. I love the whole family and I have my deepest respect for the whole Jackson family. Even for Joe, Jermaine and Latoya eventhough all the facts that we know. They are still family and we should respect all of them.
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ahh please...DOITNOWMJ, who urinated on your cake today ??? You know, even if your not spanked on a regular basis as a child, you can STIL be a citizen who can give something to the society.But that's news to you i guess...And just because you forgive somebody does not mean, that it's forgotten, but you have to live on with the family. And Michael have also said, that even as a adult, he was scared of his father.
MICHAEL'S FAMILY IS MICHAEL'S FAMILY AND MICHAEL IS STILL TALKING TO HIS FATHER TIL THE DAY THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WHICH IS TODAY ALLOWS ME TO SEE.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
THIS IS MICHAEL'S FATHER AND THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT MICHAEL WILL CHOOSE YOUR ASS OVER HIS FATHER, HE HAS NOT FORGOTTEN BUT GUESS WHAT DID MICHAEL CALL YOU WHEN HE ORGANIZED THE FAMILY MEETING AT THE RESTAURANT IN LOS ANGELES?
NO! HE DIDN'T INVITE YOU WHY?
BECAUSE YOU AIN'T FAMILY YOU AIN'T BLOOD, RELATIVE,
HIS FAMILY WAS THERE NO MATTER WHAT.
THEY ARE FAMILY.
YOUR ASS IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.
AND I SATND BY EVERYTHING THAT I SAID TO YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DEAL WITH THE SHIT.
I MEAN IT.
AND I DO NOT LIKE CAKE,
SO NO ONE PISSED ON IT BUT YOUR UNDERTONE BIGOTERY AND RACISM HAS TO BE CALLED OUT AND I WILL CALL IT OUT.
:lol: :lol: :lol: So now I'm a racist too ? No, I was not invited to a jackson family gathering, was you ? And of cause Michael would not choose me over family, he does not know me, i would not choose him over my family either. I think you are being very childish, really. maybe you wer'e not spanked enough as a child, so you could GROW UP !!!
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hey - no racism on this site
calm down
we have all the colours on this site, we are part of the worlds community
there is no racism
dont accuse pp of being racist - its not the case
You should have been in the thread yesterday, what i am talking about is the threat that was deleted, this has been going on since yeaterday it's time to face the music racism still exist and stop acting like it don't, cause some people here, hate MJ's family, because it reminds them that mj is black.
and they spit their venom towards the jacksons, some of them even said that Jafaar wants to hurt blanket because he is jealous of blanket's money and no one knows what is going on behind closed doors in the Jackson family they are jumping to conclusion saying that they want everybody out of the Jackson family mansion, and only keep only MJ's kids in there, this shit has been going on since yesterday.
i am sick and tired of people on here bashing mj's family he loves his family dearly and they love him uncondditionnaly as he loves them uncondditionally too.
no matter what happened in the past they are his family.
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ahh please...DOITNOWMJ, who urinated on your cake today ??? You know, even if your not spanked on a regular basis as a child, you can STIL be a citizen who can give something to the society.But that's news to you i guess...And just because you forgive somebody does not mean, that it's forgotten, but you have to live on with the family. And Michael have also said, that even as a adult, he was scared of his father.
MICHAEL'S FAMILY IS MICHAEL'S FAMILY AND MICHAEL IS STILL TALKING TO HIS FATHER TIL THE DAY THAT GOD ALMIGHTY WHICH IS TODAY ALLOWS ME TO SEE.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.
THIS IS MICHAEL'S FATHER AND THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT MICHAEL WILL CHOOSE YOUR ASS OVER HIS FATHER, HE HAS NOT FORGOTTEN BUT GUESS WHAT DID MICHAEL CALL YOU WHEN HE ORGANIZED THE FAMILY MEETING AT THE RESTAURANT IN LOS ANGELES?
NO! HE DIDN'T INVITE YOU WHY?
BECAUSE YOU AIN'T FAMILY YOU AIN'T BLOOD, RELATIVE,
HIS FAMILY WAS THERE NO MATTER WHAT.
THEY ARE FAMILY.
YOUR ASS IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.
AND I SATND BY EVERYTHING THAT I SAID TO YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DEAL WITH THE SHIT.
I MEAN IT.
AND I DO NOT LIKE CAKE,
SO NO ONE PISSED ON IT BUT YOUR UNDERTONE BIGOTERY AND RACISM HAS TO BE CALLED OUT AND I WILL CALL IT OUT.
:lol: :lol: :lol: So now I'm a racist too ? No, I was not invited to a jackson family gathering, was you ? And of cause Michael would not choose me over family, he does not know me, i would not choose him over my family either. I think you are being very childish, really. maybe you wer'e not spanked enough as a child, so you could GROW UP !!!
you are the one who needs to grow up i am grown already .
and i just realized that you are wasting my time and i have decided not to give you the time of day cause you are not worth my time.
and by the way you have no idea who you are talking to.
that's all i have to say about that.
EVEN IF MICHAEL KNEW YOUR ASS HE STILL WOULD CHOOSE HIS FAMILY OVER YOU CAUSE YOU ARE NOT HIS BLOOD.
PERIOD.
AS A MATTER OF FACT I THINK YOU WOULD BE A REAL FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL BURDEN TO HIM.
CAUSE YOU WOULD TRY TO SEPARATE HIM FROM HIS FAMILY.
BUT THIS SHIT AIN'T WORKING NO MORE.
as far as the jackson family gathering and me are concerned, i don't remember you paying my bills wich could and i say could or if you will, might, make me accountable to you.
have a good day.
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so who are you then? Just curious...
If you make it so exciting then I think you should tell us who you are and why she should be careful when she's talking to you?
Would be nice, thanks.
Oh and have a nice day, too....
I think, we should still respect each other because we're all here for the same reason. It's okay to have different opinions but why do you always have to attack other then?
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
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:lol: DOITNOWMJ, I love your sense of humour.... I'm so sorry i wasted your time, I thought it was very amusing to read all your lame comments, but that's ok. No, I dont know who I'm talking to, and I dont care, even if you was michael himself.And for the record : I dont hate the Jackson family because they are black, I dont hate them at all. I dont like Joe because of the things he did to Michael. And I can tell you, that I'm not white either, meaning, that my father is not white. And I have been teased in school with it, and so on. So I'm NOT a racist.A nice day to you too.
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Please listen to what I have to say. Please read this entire post.
One thing we, yes WE, lose site of, the Jackson family came from very humble beginnings in Gary, Indiana. They truly are the American dream. A poor black family living in a tiny house in the murder capital of the US, a derelect town, surrounded by gangs and violence and crime.... Joe shepherded that family to a better life, and if it wasn't for him.... for JOE, we may never have known Michael.
This is Michael's home in Gary. Think about this. Think about growing up here and what it took to become the Michael Jackson we know from these beginings. Next time you diss Joe, or any member of the Jackson family, and say hateful things about them, remember that Joe took his family from here to where they are now. There are 100 million Black families in America living in homes just like this one:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/fcfbec/Michael%20Jackson/DSCN3135.jpg)
The Jackson family could have easily taken a very different path. It happens every day. It happens more often then not. Their story is amazing. Michael, with the support system of his family, came from poverty to rise to the greatest heights of a world icon. Not just a pop star but a global figure. He did this all not in spite of them, but BECAUSE OF THEM.
Remember this is where our beloved Michael came from. Remember it is because of Joe that they got out of here, because of the love and strength within the Jackson family, they escaped Gary and it's economic trap. Many, too many young families are not so lucky, not only in Gary, but in a thousand small towns and villages and cities across the country.
There is a systematic, imbedded culture of racism in this country. If the Jackson family had been white, I don't believe they would be subjected to the criticism that they are. I don't believe they would be the butt of cruel jokes and scrutinization of their every move and word. America loves to see a black man fall from grace. If the Jackson's had been a white family they would have been championed and held up as a shining example of what hard work and perseverance can accomplish. They would be reveared as heros and a model for the rest of us. Michael scraped out an existance for himself that was on top of the world, and he could not have done it without the loving support system of the strong family unit that is the Jacksons. His accomplishments, and that of the entire family made him and them a target in this country. Eyes need to be opened. We need to recognize the ugly truth. Racism is alive and well and it drives this entire campaign of hate against Michael. Racism drives the campaign of hate in this country. It touches all corners of life here, like a cancer.
Hate has the power to destroy everything we build and do and become. But hate only has power when it is given a venue. Hate thrives in the environment of ignorance and intollerance and fear.
Please understand, when you pass judgement on the Jackson family you are behaving absolutely no better then the media who has crucified Michael and his family alive for the past 20 years. This needs to stop. And it needs to stop NOW. L.O.V.E. isn't just a cute little cliche phrase to put in your siggy and make you feel like you're doing something while you turn around and behave exactly as the vultures and leaches who tried SO HARD to destroy this beautiful, gentle man for so very long.
Don't ever forget, Michael loves his family and they love Michael, and NO ONE has the right to doubt or dispairage that love. Do not judge because you doubt yourself. Do not criticize because you are unhappy inside. Make that change. Spread some happiness and love and tollerance and YOU will reap the reward. YOU will benefit because your small contribution will flourish and spread and come back on you, 1000x over. Happiness is infectious, love is contageous. Everyone has it, time to share it, because when you do, the reward is the greatest riches that cannot be registered on any bank account or check ledger. The reward is what you feel inside, when you smile at a stranger, when you perform a random act of kindness, when you practice tollerance and acceptance and then have it granted back on you again. This is what will save the world.
And it starts right here, with us. WITH YOU.
Damn right!
You said it well bec, I agree with you for a 1000%!
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hey - no racism on this site
calm down
we have all the colours on this site, we are part of the worlds community
there is no racism
dont accuse pp of being racist - its not the case
You should have been in the thread yesterday, i know what i am talking about the threat was deleted, this has been going on since yeaterday it's time to face the music racism still exist and stop acting like it don't some people here hate MJ's family because it reminds them that mj is black.
and they spit their venom towards the jacksons, some of them even said that Jafaar want to hurt blanket because he is jealous of blanket's money and no one knows what is going on behind closed doors in the Jackson family they are jumping to conclusion sayin that they want everybody out of the Jackson family mansion, and only keep only MJ's kids in there, this shit has been going on since yesterday.
i am sick and tired of people on here bashing mj's family he loves his family dearly and they love him uncondditionnaly as he loves them uncondditionally too.
no matter what happened in the past they are his family.
okay - mike loves his family - no big news here.
but to say that pp are knocking the family because of colour is i think off the mark
pp have commented on mike's family because of the hoax and some pp dont like somethings said or done by the family - its their opinion - it does not have anything to do with respect or the lack of it
i understand your point of view - but swearing and making accusations does not support your position it weakens your words
i did not see the deleted thread
but this site does get hostile but please - this thread will go the same way
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MLK
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character"
what i think pp are commenting on is character - not colour
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
i don't need a child to lecture me about what spanking and beating means.
mj and joe were beating the hell out of each other.
period.
mj FORGAVE HIS FATHER AND SO DID HIS FATHER THEY LOVE EACH OTHER WHAT HAPPENED IN THE PAST MUST STAY IN THE PAST NOW TAKE YOUR HATRED OF THE JACKSON FAMILY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND DON'T INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE.
CAUSE I CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND AND YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE MY MOTHER RAISED ME RIGHT SHE SPANKED ME TO KEEP MY ASS OUT OF THE STREET SO I WOULDN'T BE AN UNWED PREGNANT TEEN ON DRUG OR SELLING MY BODY FOR MONEY, BUT I WOULD BE BUSY LEARNING HOW TO READ, AND COUNT AND WRITE.
THAT EDUCATION SERVES ME TODAY AS A AM A GROWN WOMAN, MJ IS NOT EXEMPT.
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hey - no racism on this site
calm down
we have all the colours on this site, we are part of the worlds community
there is no racism
dont accuse pp of being racist - its not the case
You should have been in the thread yesterday, i know what i am talking about the threat was deleted, this has been going on since yeaterday it's time to face the music racism still exist and stop acting like it don't some people here hate MJ's family because it reminds them that mj is black.
and they spit their venom towards the jacksons, some of them even said that Jafaar want to hurt blanket because he is jealous of blanket's money and no one knows what is going on behind closed doors in the Jackson family they are jumping to conclusion sayin that they want everybody out of the Jackson family mansion, and only keep only MJ's kids in there, this shit has been going on since yesterday.
i am sick and tired of people on here bashing mj's family he loves his family dearly and they love him uncondditionnaly as he loves them uncondditionally too.
no matter what happened in the past they are his family.
okay - mike loves his family - no big news here.
but to say that pp are knocking the family because of colour is i think off the mark
pp have commented on mike's family because of the hoax and some pp dont like somethings said or done by the family - its their opinion - it does not have anything to do with respect or the lack of it
i understand your point of view - but swearing and making accusations does not support your position it weakens your words
i did not see the deleted thread
but this site does get hostile but please - this thread will go the same way
DID I CUSS YOU OUT?
I DOUBT IT.
This problem has been going on for years some mj fans always tired to divide this family for years and it's time for it to stop.
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:lol: DOITNOWMJ, I love your sense of humour.... I'm so sorry i wasted your time, I thought it was very amusing to read all your lame comments, but that's ok. No, I dont know who I'm talking to, and I dont care, even if you was michael himself.And for the record : I dont hate the Jackson family because they are black, I dont hate them at all. I dont like Joe because of the things he did to Michael. And I can tell you, that I'm not white either, meaning, that my father is not white. And I have been teased in school with it, and so on. So I'm NOT a racist.A nice day to you too.
about you not being white, though i don't give a damn but i wanted to remind you how easy it is to embody someone else's skin, to hide sins.
MJ SAID THAT BLANKET'S MOTHER IS BLACK,
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
when we all know that it is not true, and don't come at me with genetics cause it ain't working for me.
have a nice day.
please don't bother replying.
thanks.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
i don't need a child to lecture me about what spanking and beating means.
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Sorry but why do you think you're so grown up? you don't really behave like that.... Even if it IS a child who tells you that, is it wrong? I don't think so.... It is okay, that you have your own opinion but you don't need to attack other people, just because they have different opinions...And nobody hates the family...especially not of their skin colour??!!
Some ppl just don't like it how Joe treated the kids and that's okay... but otherwise yes, without Joe we wouldn't know the Jackson 5 and we wouldn't know Michael Jackson.
Maybe you think we're all little kids here, but I think you're behaviour is not really better..sorry for that but that's how I think about. And if we waste your time...then okay, why you're still here?
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You gotta love DOITNOWMJ, such a pure and gentle soul...... Well, I'm of to bed soon, Igotta get up early to spank my kids.
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oh well this thread has lost it
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Maybe this thread should get locked. It doesn't make sense to discuss here anymore on this topic I think
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
i don't need a child to lecture me about what spanking and beating means.
.
Sorry but why do you think you're so grown up? you don't really behave like that.... Even if it IS a child who tells you that, is it wrong? I don't think so.... It is okay, that you have your own opinion but you don't need to attack other people, just because they have different opinions...And nobody hates the family...especially not of their skin colour??!!
Some ppl just don't like it how Joe treated the kids and that's okay... but otherwise yes, without Joe we wouldn't know the Jackson 5 and we wouldn't know Michael Jackson.
Maybe you think we're all little kids here, but I think you're behaviour is not really better..sorry for that but that's how I think about. And if we waste your time...then okay, why you're still here?
child keep your lecture to yourself i don't need it.
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and whos fault is that ? I'm sorry for the bash before, but I got angry, cause I'm really not a racist :(
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
i don't need a child to lecture me about what spanking and beating means.
.
Sorry but why do you think you're so grown up? you don't really behave like that.... Even if it IS a child who tells you that, is it wrong? I don't think so.... It is okay, that you have your own opinion but you don't need to attack other people, just because they have different opinions...And nobody hates the family...especially not of their skin colour??!!
Some ppl just don't like it how Joe treated the kids and that's okay... but otherwise yes, without Joe we wouldn't know the Jackson 5 and we wouldn't know Michael Jackson.
Maybe you think we're all little kids here, but I think you're behaviour is not really better..sorry for that but that's how I think about. And if we waste your time...then okay, why you're still here?
child keep your lecture to yourself i don't need it.
Then why you read it ? :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Okay, MOM, I do it like you said :lol: :lol: :lol:
OMG just ridiculous :roll:
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I'm watching this thread and I have sent PMs about it, asking people to please state opinions in a more friendly way. If the atmosphere in this thread doesn't improve, I have no other choice but to lock it. That would be a shame, because the purpose of it is a very good one.
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and whos fault is that ? I'm sorry for the bash before, but I got angry, cause I'm really not a racist :(
Noone thinks here you're a racist!!!! If someone here would be a racist, he/ she wouldn't be here...
Just don't give a damn about it
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenile and so many of them doing drug and are muderers starting age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell. cause they ain't got no good parents to discipline them. the next thing you know my tax dollars goes to pay for the juvenile center to straighten up your kids.
because you are not good enough of a mother and don't have enough guts to straight your kids yourself.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, does that make her a bad mother michael was shooting shoes at his father it's not like he was an angel he never been and never will be an angel,
he always stood up to his father they both were beating the hell out of each other cause mj was always fighting back,
so don't sit there acting like MJ is JESUS cause he ain't even Jesus would have told him to respect his father and one of the reason why he went through hell it's because of the disrespect that he showed his dad.
the bible says HONOR TY FATHER AND THOU SHALL BE BLESSED AND LIVE A LONG LIFE.
MJ knew that he father loves him and no matter what he did his father would still be there to support him.
FOR THOSE WHO REFUSE TO GIVE CREDIT TO HIS FATHER FOR HIM BECOMING THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
Without his father he would be NOTHING even with the RAW talent that GOD HAS GIVEN HIM his father's Job was to POLISH THAT TALENT and remove the so called fake sensisivity that MJ used to portray himself in the public eyes in order to gain sympathy.
do not think for a minute that MJ is an ANGEL as much as i love him MJ is extremely calculative, and manipulative , you do not last so long in HOLLYWWOD WITHOUT HAVING GAME.
i AM NOT GOING TO ACT LIKE MJ IS A TOTAL SAINT CAUSE HE SAID IT HIMSELF. and i quote:
" I AM NOT A DEMON BUT I AM NOT AN ANGEL EITHER "
AS FAR AS SPANKING IS CONCERNED, THANK GOD FOR IT.
Cause because of it, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
JOE JACKSON IS NOT PERFECT EVERY FATHER MAKES MISTAKE.
IF YOU THINK FOR A MINUTES THAT EVERY WORD THAT CAME OUT OF MICHAEL'S MOUTH IS THE TRUTH THEN I GOT NEWS FOR YOU.
MJ LIES THROUGH HIS TEETH.
AND IF YOU THINK THAT HE NEVER DISCIPLINED HIS CHILDREN, THEN THINK AGAIN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
DO YOU KNOW THE DEFINITION OF SPANKING AND BEATING???? I DON'T BECAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T WRITE THIS.. I GOT SPANKED ALSO WHEN I WAS A CHILD SO I DID SPANK MY KIDS, BUT NEVER BEATEN THEM NOR KICKED THEM IN THE CROTCH LIKE JOE DID.. SO BEFORE YOU WRITE LOOK AT THE FACTS
i don't need a child to lecture me about what spanking and beating means.
.
Sorry but why do you think you're so grown up? you don't really behave like that.... Even if it IS a child who tells you that, is it wrong? I don't think so.... It is okay, that you have your own opinion but you don't need to attack other people, just because they have different opinions...And nobody hates the family...especially not of their skin colour??!!
Some ppl just don't like it how Joe treated the kids and that's okay... but otherwise yes, without Joe we wouldn't know the Jackson 5 and we wouldn't know Michael Jackson.
Maybe you think we're all little kids here, but I think you're behaviour is not really better..sorry for that but that's how I think about. And if we waste your time...then okay, why you're still here?
child keep your lecture to yourself i don't need it.
Then why you read it ? :roll:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Okay, MOM, I do it like you said :lol: :lol: :lol:
OMG just ridiculous :roll:
you've just been dismissed.
and i won't be bothered with you anymore.
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and whos fault is that ? I'm sorry for the bash before, but I got angry, cause I'm really not a racist :(
Noone thinks here you're a racist!!!! If someone here would be a racist, he/ she wouldn't be here...
Just don't give a damn about it
ok, thanks.
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okay, that's fine for me
So then I can continue to discuss with the others in much more friendlier way..
BACK TO TOPIC!
There's one more reason why the family deserves our respect, I don't know if someone has mentioned it before.
Because if this is indeed a hoax, then the family did their thing pretty good.
I mean: Everyone has a role in it. And the slip ups are on purpose IMO.
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They are playing some big parts , yes. I dont know if the slip ups are on purpose, if they are, wow! what a giant work it must have been / is, to keep it going. And that deserve respect.
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In all the time I have been here I have never seen a racist comment thank goodness so i dont know what upset mjdoitnow maybe she feels we have been rude about Michaels family but we have not Joe did what he did it was not right but maybe he had a fear of his children not fullfilling their lives with the talent they have, and he was keeping them from poverty which he had seen, he wanted the best for his children and he did it that way, I was smacked for running into the road my mum did not want me to get run over no harm done i learnt, i do not smack my children a glare works with them but with such a large family maybe a glare would not be enough, I respect the Jacksons they bought music into our lives but they are not telling us the whole truth but what right have i got to say i want to know.
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They are playing some big parts , yes. I dont know if the slip ups are on purpose, if they are, wow! what a giant work it must have been / is, to keep it going. And that deserve respect.
I really think that some slip ups are on purpose...not everyone maybe, but I think for example the last slip up of Jermain in that radio show.....It looked like he waited a moment to make sure the ppl will notice his words.. and then he corrected himself. I really think that was on purpose.
Or maybe Janet in the Interview with ABC.Her smile when she was asked about Michaels Death....
Some People who are lying or hiding something starting to smile,when they get nervous...
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Back on topic:
Again, I agree with the original post of this thread and the sentiment behind it.
With regards to Joe Jackson:
He's 80 years old.
He was raised and was a parent at a time in American history when there was no such thing as "abuse."
"Spare the rod and spoil the child" was the motto.
There weren't a bunch of after school specials and movies on little boys and girls getting beatings and numbers to call if they did.
At that point in time in the United States, it was still possible for young black men to end up hanging from trees for venturing into the wrong area or talking to a white person the "wrong" way.
There was no "affirmative action."
Black men and women had to sit at the back of the bus and drink from separate (usually dirty and broken) water fountains.
The job opportunties weren't as numerous or financially advantageous.
Joe saw talent in his boys and did what he felt was right in bringing that out so that his young black sons could grow into successful black men.
And it worked.
Beating them was nothing compared to what they could face just walking out the door.
I'm not condoning beating children in this day and age when we know that it can be harmful to them and we know other ways to discipline. But there are many on here who are too young and unaware of the cultural differences. And because they were raised without spankings/beatings and learning that it's "bad" to physically punish children, they have no idea that many grew up like that and are not traumatized by it. It's just the way that it was.
I refuse to villify or disrespect a man for how he raised his children when he raised them how he knew how. Especially when these children forgive him for the mistakes he made in the past. If they forgive him, what right to do we have to hold grudges? Or do we know better than those that were actually there???
With regards to race in this issue:
I don't believe that most on here or Michael Jackson fans in general are racist. However, I do think that many have an unrealistic view of him, his family, and the dynamic between them. I don't pretend to have the full inside scoop, but growing up in the United States in multiple cultures(caucasian, African American, Arab, & Asian) I might be able to "get" some of it a little better than say someone who is in Europe and was born in 1993. No disrespect to anyone, but you usually understand your own culture better than others.
Edited to add: I respect all people. Period. Even if I don't agree with them. Because there's often just a matter of not understanding someone or where they're coming from and it doesn't justify disrespect.
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:( :( :( :( there is always one person who has to start a race war and play the well used dogged eared, out of date, falling apart race card, well done DOITNOWMJ for making this a black vs white issue!!! you can hold your head up high for all racial inciting facists!!!
ok now that rant is over i just want to say I really dont care for the rest of the Jacksons. I dont feel any hatred, nor anger towards any of them. I have the upmost respect for Janet ( i met her a few times back in the 80's and if you think Micheal was/is humble, then you need to meet Janet :D she is like the best friend every girl wants. I think in honesty we need to ALL stop prying into their lives. So what if Jermain is profiting off his brothers death, yeah it is the lowest of the low but we dont have to buy into it do we.
Latoya well she is a bit scatty lol but harmless enough. And just look at Katherines eyes she has the softest eyes, like Michael, there is no coldness, harsheness in those eyes. despite suffering as much as Micheal did. As any mum will agree what pain your child goes through, as a mother you go through 100% more with them.
As for the Jackson being an oppressed black family as the OP said or that if they were a white family they would not had to fight? isnt it time after all these years that we forget black or white and just see ourselves as people and show the racists of this world THERE IS NO COLOUR just people??? then maybe WE for Micheal can make the diffrence he wanted/wants us all to do :D
Like President Obama says there is NO Black Americans nor White Americans there is only Americans ... if you dont want him send him to the UK we will welcome him with open arms :D :D :D :D
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Just remember MIchaels Song "Black or white" I think it says enough.....so let's just stop these fights about ...black or white....I think it's all about Unity and I think Katherine is the best example for it...she always tried to keep the family together..and I think she's doin it great
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anymore fights on this thread and ill have no choice but to lock it
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:( :( :( :( there is always one person who has to start a race war and play the well used dogged eared, out of date, falling apart race card, well done DOITNOWMJ for making this a black vs white issue!!! you can hold your head up high for all racial inciting facists!!!
ok now that rant is over i just want to say I really dont care for the rest of the Jacksons. I dont feel any hatred, nor anger towards any of them. I have the upmost respect for Janet ( i met her a few times back in the 80's and if you think Micheal was/is humble, then you need to meet Janet :D she is like the best friend every girl wants. I think in honesty we need to ALL stop prying into their lives. So what if Jermain is profiting off his brothers death, yeah it is the lowest of the low but we dont have to buy into it do we.
Latoya well she is a bit scatty lol but harmless enough. And just look at Katherines eyes she has the softest eyes, like Michael, there is no coldness, harsheness in those eyes. despite suffering as much as Micheal did. As any mum will agree what pain your child goes through, as a mother you go through 100% more with them.
As for the Jackson being an oppressed black family as the OP said or that if they were a white family they would not had to fight? isnt it time after all these years that we forget black or white and just see ourselves as people and show the racists of this world THERE IS NO COLOUR just people??? then maybe WE for Micheal can make the diffrence he wanted/wants us all to do :D
Like President Obama says there is NO Black Americans nor White Americans there is only Americans ... if you dont want him send him to the UK we will welcome him with open arms :D :D :D :D
I stand by everything i said the subject needed to be adressed MJ adressed it in the past and so do i now .
God bless .
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Just remember MIchaels Song "Black or white" I think it says enough.....so let's just stop these fights about ...black or white....I think it's all about Unity and I think Katherine is the best example for it...she always tried to keep the family together..and I think she's doin it great
Exactley what i was trying to say lol thats one of the main reasons i adore Micheal he eradicated the colour divide and as fans WE ALL need to do the same :D
plus spread the message that unless these materialistic biggots who claim the earth is just fine and that globel warming etc is all propaganda, that actually the world at the moment isnt fine and is heading for a globel meltown, there wont be a world left for us to live in harmony
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:( :( :( :( there is always one person who has to start a race war and play the well used dogged eared, out of date, falling apart race card, well done DOITNOWMJ for making this a black vs white issue!!! you can hold your head up high for all racial inciting facists!!!
ok now that rant is over i just want to say I really dont care for the rest of the Jacksons. I dont feel any hatred, nor anger towards any of them. I have the upmost respect for Janet ( i met her a few times back in the 80's and if you think Micheal was/is humble, then you need to meet Janet :D she is like the best friend every girl wants. I think in honesty we need to ALL stop prying into their lives. So what if Jermain is profiting off his brothers death, yeah it is the lowest of the low but we dont have to buy into it do we.
Latoya well she is a bit scatty lol but harmless enough. And just look at Katherines eyes she has the softest eyes, like Michael, there is no coldness, harsheness in those eyes. despite suffering as much as Micheal did. As any mum will agree what pain your child goes through, as a mother you go through 100% more with them.
As for the Jackson being an oppressed black family as the OP said or that if they were a white family they would not had to fight? isnt it time after all these years that we forget black or white and just see ourselves as people and show the racists of this world THERE IS NO COLOUR just people??? then maybe WE for Micheal can make the diffrence he wanted/wants us all to do :D
Like President Obama says there is NO Black Americans nor White Americans there is only Americans ... if you dont want him send him to the UK we will welcome him with open arms :D :D :D :D
I stand by everything i said the subject needed to be adressed MJ adressed it in the past and so do i now .
God bless .
I appologise for linking you to a facist that was out of order of me but i get so passionate when people argue over things that neednt be argued over. Turn us all inside out and wed all be a yucky pink, red .. well lets not go there lol :D or if we were ALL blind who would care one iota about skin :D
Thats what i was trying to say :)
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In my opinion, everyone has a right to their own opinion on judging people. Now it's in your conscience to judge them in a positive or negative way. People in the limelight are especially subject to judgement. It's not fair, but it comes with the package. If you say you dislike Joe, that's your opinion. You don't dislike him just because you do, we listened to Michael. He forgave him, and we forgave him too. We don't need to bring up personal issues on here, but people do. Michael is all about love, he would forgive you for being upset with his father. It' only understandable. Let me tell you that no one on this forum is a subject of hate. Yes, they may make snark remarks about LaToya or Jermaine, but they don't hate them. The family is making it difficult for us because they have taken the passing of Michael in a completely different way than we have. Except we don't know if they cry in private. We should respect them and not pass judgement, unless we know from the bottom of our hearts that something is not right. Until we come to the end of this journey, know that not everything will add up in your eyes, and many things will fit perfectly in place.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
SPANKING HURT BUT YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MJ SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HOW HIS FATHER RAISED HIM CAUSE IT MADE HIM WHO HE IS TODAY.
THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT MJ HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER HAS FORGIVEN HIM TOO, I AM GLAD THAT JOE IS MICHAEL'S FATHER, AND I WOULDN'T WANT A CHILD LIKE YOU EITHER CAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO MY HOUSE TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE YOU, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP WITH AN EYE OPEN CAUSE I WOULD BE SCARED YOU WOULD TRY TO HARM ME.
WHILE I SLEEP, SINCE YOU CANNOT BE DISCIPLINED.
I FEEL FOR YOU THE WAY YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION WITH SUCH HATRED. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN AN ABUSED CHILD.( BY THE WAY I CAME OUT VERY WELL, I AM A PHSYCHOLOGIST, AND I AM STUDYING FOR MY PH.D. SO JUST THE WAY YOU ARE WRITING YOUR POST I FEEL YOU ARE AN ANGRY PERSON. I AM ANALYSING IN BETWEEN THE LINES. Ah you think he has forgiven his father?? If he had why in his will he does not want Joe near his children?? He wants his mother to raise his children.CAN YOU ANSWER ME THIS PLEASE?? HE MAY HAVE FORGIVEN HIM YES BUT NOT FORGOT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ABUSE OF HIS FATHER.. .AND AS FOR YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HE IS RIGHT. I AM FROM CANADA AND WE LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY, AND I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY.. ANYWAYS I NEVER THOUGHT THIS POST WAS FULL OF HATRED.. WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DO NOT WANT US TO SPEAK UP WELL THAN MICHAEL SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ABUSIVE FATHER.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
SPANKING HURT BUT YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MJ SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HOW HIS FATHER RAISED HIM CAUSE IT MADE HIM WHO HE IS TODAY.
THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT MJ HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER HAS FORGIVEN HIM TOO, I AM GLAD THAT JOE IS MICHAEL'S FATHER, AND I WOULDN'T WANT A CHILD LIKE YOU EITHER CAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO MY HOUSE TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE YOU, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP WITH AN EYE OPEN CAUSE I WOULD BE SCARED YOU WOULD TRY TO HARM ME.
WHILE I SLEEP, SINCE YOU CANNOT BE DISCIPLINED.
I FEEL FOR YOU THE WAY YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION WITH SUCH HATRED. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN AN ABUSED CHILD.( BY THE WAY I CAME OUT VERY WELL, I AM A PHSYCHOLOGIST, AND I AM STUDYING FOR MY PH.D. SO JUST THE WAY YOU ARE WRITING YOUR POST I FEEL YOU ARE AN ANGRY PERSON. I AM ANALYSING IN BETWEEN THE LINES. Ah you think he has forgiven his father?? If he had why in his will he does not want Joe near his children?? He wants his mother to raise his children.CAN YOU ANSWER ME THIS PLEASE?? HE MAY HAVE FORGIVEN HIM YES BUT NOT FORGOT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ABUSE OF HIS FATHER.. .AND AS FOR YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HE IS RIGHT. I AM FROM CANADA AND WE LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY, AND I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY.. ANYWAYS I NEVER THOUGHT THIS POST WAS FULL OF HATRED.. WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DO NOT WANT US TO SPEAK UP WELL THAN MICHAEL SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ABUSIVE FATHER.
LISTEN YOU SO CALLED PSYCHO LOGIST.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME YOU NEVER MET ME AND NEVER WILL.
OK! AND SECOND NO NEED TO TELL ME HOW MANY DEGREES YOU HAVE CAUSE IT AIN'T TOUCHING ME AT ALL I WENT TO COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY TOO.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT IT.
YOUR STUPID DEGREES BRAGGING DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ME.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AND SOUND STUPID.
FOR CLAIMING TO KNOW ME TO DETERMINED THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD.
HOW STUPID IS THAT ?
HOW DARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
ME THIS IS THE KIND OF CRAP THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE.
MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE THE MOST WONDERFUL MOTHER AND FATHER IN THE WORLD, I WOULDN'T CHANGE THEM FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD SO WHEN YOU SIT YOUR ASS IN FRONT YOU COMPUTER, AND ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSING ME
I AM THE ONE AND ONLY JUDGE OF THAT AND I DO NOT RECALL ANY CHILD ABUSE THAT HAS OCCURED IN MY LIFE BY MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY ARE LOVING PARENTS,
MICHAEL HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HE NEVER NEVER SAID THAT HE DON'T WANT HIS FATHER ANYWHERE NEAR HIS CHILDREN THEY ARE ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THEIR GRANDFATHER RECENTLY I WAS IN VEGAS AND THE KIDS WHERE THERE WITH JOE AND KATHERINE AND THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER SO KEEP YOUR SO CALLED EDUCATION TO YOURSELF BEFORE COMING ON HERE TRYING TO LOOK SMART CAUSE YOU SOUND DAMN STUPID.
ACTING LIKE YOU HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH MJ AND HE WAS TELLING YOU THAT HE HATE HIS FATHER EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK
YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE CAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOOR WITH THIS FAMILY.
YOUR ASS DON'T NEED TO ANALYSE ME AND I DO NOT GO TO SLEEP ANGRY NOR DO I WAKE UP ANGRY, ANALYSE YOURSELF I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANALYSE ME, I AM FINE AND WELL THANK GOD.
I ONLY GET ANGRY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU PISS ME OFF ACTING LIKE THEY KNOW IT ALL AND TAKE MICHAEL'S WORDS FOR THE GOSPEL LIKE HE IS JESUS AND NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG NOR CAN DO NO WRONG. AND I AM SICK OF THE RACIST UNDERTONES ON THIS WEBSITE AND THE JACKSON FAMILY BASHING ESPECIALLY ABOUT JOE, CAUSE MICHAEL SAID IT HIMSELF THAT HE OWES HIS CAREER TO HIS FATHER WHO HAS MADE HIM WHO HE IS, AND HE FORGAVE HIM, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF IT. HE LOVES HIS FATHER WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU ARE TO JUDGE JOE JACKSON AND TRY TO LECTURE HIM ABOUT RAISING CHILDREN?
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO LIVE IN THE GHETTO IN THE CONDDITION THEY WERE LIVING, WITH 9 KIDS WITH ONE PROVIDER IN THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU WILL TELL ME HOW IT FEELS,
HOW ABOUT GETTING YOURSELF A MAN AND THEN GET HIM TO PUT A RING ON YOUR FINGER INSTEAD OF HITTING IT AND QUIT THEN POP UP 10 BABIES THEN TRY TO KEEP THEN MAN THERE AND MAKE HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT HE WILL NOT BE A DEAD BEAT DAD AND PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY.
KATHERINE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT CAUSE JOE JACKSON IS A GOOD DAD AND A GREAT PROVIDER.
SO KEEP YOUR " I READ BETWEEN THE LINES " JUDMENT TO YOURSELF.
ONLY PSYCHOS ANALIZE PEOPLE NOT REAL NORMAL PEOPLE.
I DON'T NEED A LECTURE FROM YOU .
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
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@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
:(
@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
EXCUSE ME
?
DID YOU READ WHAT SHE SAID TO ME
WHO THE HELL THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS TO ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW ME?
HAS SHE MET ME ?
AND SHE IS SAYING THAT I AM FULL OF HATRED WHEN THE FANS ARE THE ONES HATING ON JOE AND HIS FAMILY EVEN ORDERING ALL OTHER GRANDKIDS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE CAUSE IT IS MJ'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS MJ'S PARENTS ?
R U KIDDING ME? :evil:
PLEASE JUST IGNORE ME .
OK ! :evil:
JUST IGNORE ME. :evil:
I SAID WHAT I SAID AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN I WILL NOT LET ANYONE ACCUSE MY FAMILY OF ABUSING ME NOR MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PH D.
AND SECOND I DID NOT CUSS ANYONE. RE READ MY POST .
I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND I AM THANKFUL FOR IT AND ANY PSYCHO WHO COMES AT ME TRYING TO LOOK SMART WILL BE CALLED OUT.
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I'm gonna sit this one out. Nothing ventured nothing gained...or lost.
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
It don't matter if you don't want to forgive him but those who come here and bash him is plain wrong.
mj forgave his dad and they love each other, and second,
and about joe moking his son's appearance it's a total lie.
this is what happens when your kids bashes you to the public and the media fuel the hatred.
i blame MJ for this.
HE AIN'T GOT NO BUSINESS DRAINING HIS DAD to the public though he regretted it later on and said that he wouldn't change the way his father raised him, cause he dad made him who he is.
i wish some of you fans would admit that he forgave his father and loves his father
but to some fans here it is all about dividing the JACKSON FAMILY .
but it is not going to happen.
PRERIOD.
DIRTY LAUNDRY STAYS IN THE FAMILY.
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
It don't matter if you don't want to forgive him but those who come here and bash him is plain wrong.
mj forgave his dad and they love each other, and second,
and about joe moking his son's appearance it's a total lie.
this is what happens when your kids bashes you to the public and the media fuel the hatred.
i blame MJ for this.
HE AIN'T GOT NO BUSINESS DRAINING HIS DAD to the public though he regretted it later on and said that he wouldn't change the way his father raised him, cause he dad made him who he is.
i wish some of you fans would admit that he forgave his father and loves his father
but to some fans here it is all about dividing the JACKSON FAMILY .
but it is not going to happen.
PRERIOD.
DIRTY LAUNDRY STAYS IN THE FAMILY.
So telling your son at a young age that he is ugly and he has a big nose isnt bad? we all know Mike is a loving person so how come when he talks about his dad you can feel the pain in his heart, so is he lieng about it? facts are facts yes Michael forgave him but he will never forget what he did to him, his dad never allowed him to call him dad he made him call him Joe what kind of father is that? there is a reason why Katherine is taking care of his kids and not Joe read between the lines
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
It don't matter if you don't want to forgive him but those who come here and bash him is plain wrong.
mj forgave his dad and they love each other, and second,
and about joe moking his son's appearance it's a total lie.
this is what happens when your kids bashes you to the public and the media fuel the hatred.
i blame MJ for this.
HE AIN'T GOT NO BUSINESS DRAINING HIS DAD to the public though he regretted it later on and said that he wouldn't change the way his father raised him, cause he dad made him who he is.
i wish some of you fans would admit that he forgave his father and loves his father
but to some fans here it is all about dividing the JACKSON FAMILY .
but it is not going to happen.
PRERIOD.
DIRTY LAUNDRY STAYS IN THE FAMILY.
So telling your son at a young age that he is ugly and he has a big nose isnt bad? we all know Mike is a loving person so how come when he talks about his dad you can feel the pain in his heart, so is he lieng about it? facts are facts yes Michael forgave him but he will never forget what he did to him, his dad never allowed him to call him dad he made him call him Joe what kind of father is that? there is a reason why Katherine is taking care of his kids and not Joe read between the lines
oh sorry i had no idea that you know so much about joe and what is currently going on in his house with his family , i had no idea that you know him and mj on a personal level , i had no idea that you have hung out with them and witnessed joe calling mj names.
wow.
i apologize.
i had no idea that you were so knwoledgeable.
you wish mj would hate his father you wish joe was making fun of his son's appearance but it's a lie. and you fell for it.
how about telling joe i said hi since you know mj and him so much.
and no matter what mj will choose his father way over any of you here, so please let mj and his family debate do not help them beat each other down cause they are family they will turn against you for helping them beat each other and you will be left out in the cold.
you are the one who need to read between the lines if you think you know the facts then you are just like the media, gullible.
the type who believes whatever they read, in the magazines and see on tv it seems to me that you need to re listen to mj's song.
just because you read it in the magazine or see it on a tv scree don't make it factual,
isn't that what he said?
NOW HOW ABOUT YOU READING AND TAKING NOTE OF THAT?
and it's not between the lines.
and if you think for a minute that joe is not around the kids then think again cause not only the kids spend a lot of time with him they spend weekends with him and he is well around the kids and they are very happy.
and he is a great grandfather as he is a great father.
no matter what you think.
if you hate joe keep your hatred to yourself don't spit your venom on here cause you don't know who is reading it.
bye have a nice day.
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
It don't matter if you don't want to forgive him but those who come here and bash him is plain wrong.
mj forgave his dad and they love each other, and second,
and about joe moking his son's appearance it's a total lie.
this is what happens when your kids bashes you to the public and the media fuel the hatred.
i blame MJ for this.
HE AIN'T GOT NO BUSINESS DRAINING HIS DAD to the public though he regretted it later on and said that he wouldn't change the way his father raised him, cause he dad made him who he is.
i wish some of you fans would admit that he forgave his father and loves his father
but to some fans here it is all about dividing the JACKSON FAMILY .
but it is not going to happen.
PRERIOD.
DIRTY LAUNDRY STAYS IN THE FAMILY.
So telling your son at a young age that he is ugly and he has a big nose isnt bad? we all know Mike is a loving person so how come when he talks about his dad you can feel the pain in his heart, so is he lieng about it? facts are facts yes Michael forgave him but he will never forget what he did to him, his dad never allowed him to call him dad he made him call him Joe what kind of father is that? there is a reason why Katherine is taking care of his kids and not Joe read between the lines
oh sorry i had no idea that you know so much about joe and what is currently going on in his house with his family , i had no idea that you know him and mj on a personal level , i had no idea that you have hung out with them and witnessed joe calling mj names.
wow.
i apologize.
i had no idea that you were so knwoledgeable.
you wish mj would hate his father you wish joe was making fun of his son's appearance but it's a lie. and you fell for it.
how about telling joe i said hi since you know mj and him so much.
bye have a nice day.
Sorry don't know them but if you listen to interviews Mike gave you would know everything I posted, so what you are telling me is that everything Michael said about his father is a lie? why would Michael lie about that what does he gain from it
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Honestly I respect them but you can't just forgive what he did to Michael psychologically as a young boy making fun of his appearance even though Michael was making you millions imagine if he showed him more love when he was younger I don't know why a parent would make fun of their child for the way they look that is pretty harsh
It don't matter if you don't want to forgive him but those who come here and bash him is plain wrong.
mj forgave his dad and they love each other, and second,
and about joe moking his son's appearance it's a total lie.
this is what happens when your kids bashes you to the public and the media fuel the hatred.
i blame MJ for this.
HE AIN'T GOT NO BUSINESS DRAINING HIS DAD to the public though he regretted it later on and said that he wouldn't change the way his father raised him, cause he dad made him who he is.
i wish some of you fans would admit that he forgave his father and loves his father
but to some fans here it is all about dividing the JACKSON FAMILY .
but it is not going to happen.
PRERIOD.
DIRTY LAUNDRY STAYS IN THE FAMILY.
So telling your son at a young age that he is ugly and he has a big nose isnt bad? we all know Mike is a loving person so how come when he talks about his dad you can feel the pain in his heart, so is he lieng about it? facts are facts yes Michael forgave him but he will never forget what he did to him, his dad never allowed him to call him dad he made him call him Joe what kind of father is that? there is a reason why Katherine is taking care of his kids and not Joe read between the lines
oh sorry i had no idea that you know so much about joe and what is currently going on in his house with his family , i had no idea that you know him and mj on a personal level , i had no idea that you have hung out with them and witnessed joe calling mj names.
wow.
i apologize.
i had no idea that you were so knwoledgeable.
you wish mj would hate his father you wish joe was making fun of his son's appearance but it's a lie. and you fell for it.
how about telling joe i said hi since you know mj and him so much.
bye have a nice day.
Sorry don't know them but if you listen to interviews Mike gave you would know everything I posted, so what you are telling me is that everything Michael said about his father is a lie? why would Michael lie about that what does he gain from it
oh sorry! but i tend to forget that some fans thin k that mj is GOD OR JESUS.
but let me remind you that mj said and i repeat it for the last time.
" I WOULD NOT CHANGE THE WAY MY FATHER HAS RAISED ME FOR ANYTHING CAUSE MY FATHER MADE ME WHO I AM TODAY"
DEAL WITH THAT.
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I read recently that Joe does regret the past and how he was with Michael. He did regret and i believe he has changed now.
He said something like he wishes he could speak to Michael again and change certain things.
Everyone makes mistakes. Joe may have made a massive one in his physical beatings of Michael... but Michael did forgive. I remember that speech he gave at Oxford University..
Those scars never fade, though... and i understand the inner turmoil Michael must have felt over his father. It was Michaels inner turmoil. It was part of who Michael was.. and yes, it was what made him. When you are faced with adversity as a child it makes you into a perfectionist, a driven person.
Joe is now an old man, remember... i dont think he is a threat to the grandchildren.
I dont think Joe is still the man he was in his younger days.
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I read recently that Joe does regret the past and how he was with Michael. He did regret and i believe he has changed now.
He said something like he wishes he could speak to Michael again and change certain things.
Everyone makes mistakes. Joe may have made a massive one in his physical beatings of Michael... but Michael did forgive. I remember that speech he gave at Oxford University..
Those scars never fade, though... and i understand the inner turmoil Michael must have felt over his father. It was Michaels inner turmoil. It was part of who Michael was.. and yes, it was what made him. When you are faced with adversity as a child it makes you into a perfectionist, a driven person.
Joe is now an old man, remember... i dont think he is a threat to the grandchildren.
I dont think Joe is still the man he was in his younger days.
Yes he said he was sorry but all im saying is Michael will live with what happened the rest of his life and about Katherine taking care of the children im not saying Joe will hit them or anything it's just Michael feels more comfortable with his mom taking care of them was Joe wrong for what he did yes he was imo, I remember in the bashit tape that his dad would make him call him Joe instead of dad and that Michael would never let his kids call him Michael always dad
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YOUR STUPID DEGREES BRAGGING DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ME.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AND SOUND STUPID.
FOR CLAIMING TO KNOW ME TO DETERMINED THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD.
HOW STUPID IS THAT ? ...
ME THIS IS THE KIND OF CRAP THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE. ... WHEN YOU SIT YOUR ASS IN FRONT YOU COMPUTER, AND ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSING ME ...
AND THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER SO KEEP YOUR SO CALLED EDUCATION TO YOURSELF BEFORE COMING ON HERE TRYING TO LOOK SMART CAUSE YOU SOUND DAMN STUPID.
...
YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
...
YOUR ASS DON'T NEED TO ANALYSE ME AND I DO NOT GO TO SLEEP ANGRY NOR DO I WAKE UP ANGRY, ANALYSE YOURSELF I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANALYSE ME, I AM FINE AND WELL THANK GOD. ...
AND I SATND BY EVERYTHING THAT I SAID TO YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DEAL WITH THE SHIT.
I MEAN IT.
This sounds kind of rude to me.
I understand what you're getting at.
I'm glad you're standing up for the Jacksons.
but girrl, don't let the haters get to you.
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Everyone should just stop fighting. This issue is between Michael and Joe. Nothing we say is going to change anything. We only know so much, yet we don't know anything at all about their relationship in the past or present.
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Yep.
"Lo que paso, paso."
The reason I like them is because they're keeping it interesting.
Even if they just want attention, or they're really in on the hoax, they're not being disrespectful to us fans.
They're not telling us to give up.. :roll: :lol:
And with Jermaine in the running for a Razzie imo, there's really no reason to hate 'em!
:) They have my respect.
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YOUR STUPID DEGREES BRAGGING DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ME.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AND SOUND STUPID.
FOR CLAIMING TO KNOW ME TO DETERMINED THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD.
HOW STUPID IS THAT ? ...
ME THIS IS THE KIND OF CRAP THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE. ... WHEN YOU SIT YOUR ASS IN FRONT YOU COMPUTER, AND ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSING ME ...
AND THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER SO KEEP YOUR SO CALLED EDUCATION TO YOURSELF BEFORE COMING ON HERE TRYING TO LOOK SMART CAUSE YOU SOUND DAMN STUPID.
...
YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
...
YOUR ASS DON'T NEED TO ANALYSE ME AND I DO NOT GO TO SLEEP ANGRY NOR DO I WAKE UP ANGRY, ANALYSE YOURSELF I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANALYSE ME, I AM FINE AND WELL THANK GOD. ...
AND I SATND BY EVERYTHING THAT I SAID TO YOU AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DEAL WITH THE SHIT.
I MEAN IT.
This sounds kind of rude to me.
I understand what you're getting at.
I'm glad you're standing up for the Jacksons.
but girrl, don't let the haters get to you.
You are right girl i shouldn't let them get to me lol.
I will try to calm down now lol.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Everyone should just stop fighting. This issue is between Michael and Joe. Nothing we say is going to change anything. We only know so much, yet we don't know anything at all about their relationship in the past or present.
AMEN!
GOD BLESS YOU.
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
:(
@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
EXCUSE ME
?
DID YOU READ WHAT SHE SAID TO ME
WHO THE HELL THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS TO ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW ME?
HAS SHE MET ME ?
AND SHE IS SAYING THAT I AM FULL OF HATRED WHEN THE FANS ARE THE ONES HATING ON JOE AND HIS FAMILY EVEN ORDERING ALL OTHER GRANDKIDS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE CAUSE IT IS MJ'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS MJ'S PARENTS ?
R U KIDDING ME? :evil:
PLEASE JUST IGNORE ME .
OK ! :evil:
JUST IGNORE ME. :evil:
I SAID WHAT I SAID AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN I WILL NOT LET ANYONE ACCUSE MY FAMILY OF ABUSING ME NOR MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PH D.
AND SECOND I DID NOT CUSS ANYONE. RE READ MY POST .
I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND I AM THANKFUL FOR IT AND ANY PSYCHO WHO COMES AT ME TRYING TO LOOK SMART WILL BE CALLED OUT.
I did not get the opportunity to view the thread you are referring to, however people here have been attempting to get you to express your views in a manner that is acceptable to the forum.
Mo has already stated some have been pm'd & if the arguing doesn't cease she will lock the thread & if she does that we lose the ability to voice our opinions on the initial topic.
No, you aren't the only one that is cussing & capping their words, but perhaps you could lead them by example?
I stated my opinion earlier in the thread, but I'd like to add to it before this thread does get locked.
Back in the day & many parents beat their children because that is how they were raised & they didn't know anything different. Understand I am talking about beating versus spanking.
I was beat & spanked & I know the difference. Back then there weren't any laws to protect children that truly suffered & some even died from such beatings. This is precisely why laws were created. Are the laws perfect? No, they aren't but we can't continue to not speak for the voiceless.
Today it has been proved that children do not have to be hit in order to get them to comply. However it does take alot more patience & many parents find it easier to strike a child than to find other venues. Still, if your going to spank a child, then do it, but one should never ever beat a child.
You spoke of MJ & Joe beating each other. I've never read that, but I'd been interested to have you provide a factual link so that I may educate myself.
I will say that all I've ever heard MJ say is that he was a child when his father beat him. His father being the adult is of course stronger & the child will never win a battle which is why the adult should know better than to beat a child.
Mj did forgive his father, but he also said he never understood why his father didn't show him the love he wanted,..the love MJ needed.
More importantly MJ never recovered from the mental abuse & it was mental abuse which cannot be denied as it was a direct spring board.
No, we can't blame our parents for the rest of our lives, but some children such as Mike are never able to fully recover.
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
:(
@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
EXCUSE ME
?
DID YOU READ WHAT SHE SAID TO ME
WHO THE HELL THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS TO ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW ME?
HAS SHE MET ME ?
AND SHE IS SAYING THAT I AM FULL OF HATRED WHEN THE FANS ARE THE ONES HATING ON JOE AND HIS FAMILY EVEN ORDERING ALL OTHER GRANDKIDS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE CAUSE IT IS MJ'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS MJ'S PARENTS ?
R U KIDDING ME? :evil:
PLEASE JUST IGNORE ME .
OK ! :evil:
JUST IGNORE ME. :evil:
I SAID WHAT I SAID AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN I WILL NOT LET ANYONE ACCUSE MY FAMILY OF ABUSING ME NOR MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PH D.
AND SECOND I DID NOT CUSS ANYONE. RE READ MY POST .
I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND I AM THANKFUL FOR IT AND ANY PSYCHO WHO COMES AT ME TRYING TO LOOK SMART WILL BE CALLED OUT.
I did not get the opportunity to view the thread you are referring to, however people here have been attempting to get you to express your views in a manner that is acceptable to the forum.
Mo has already stated some have been pm'd & if the arguing doesn't cease she will lock the thread & if she does that we lose the ability to voice our opinions on the initial topic.
No, you aren't the only one that is cussing & capping their words, but perhaps you could lead them by example?
I stated my opinion earlier in the thread, but I'd like to add to it before this thread does get locked.
Back in the day & many parents beat their children because that is how they were raised & they didn't know anything different. Understand I am talking about beating versus spanking.
I was beat & spanked & I know the difference. Back then there weren't any laws to protect children that truly suffered & some even died from such beatings. This is precisely why laws were created. Are the laws perfect? No, they aren't but we can't continue to not speak for the voiceless.
Today it has been proved that children do not have to be hit in order to get them to comply. However it does take alot more patience & many parents find it easier to strike a child than to find other venues. Still, if your going to spank a child, then do it, but one should never ever beat a child.
You spoke of MJ & Joe beating each other. I've never read that, but I'd been interested to have you provide a factual link so that I may educate myself.
I will say that all I've ever heard MJ say is that he was a child when his father beat him. His father being the adult is of course stronger & the child will never win a battle which is why the adult should know better than to beat a child.
Mj did forgive his father, but he also said he never understood why his father didn't show him the love he wanted,..the love MJ needed.
More importantly MJ never recovered from the mental abuse & it was mental abuse which cannot be denied as it was a direct spring board.
No, we can't blame our parents for the rest of our lives, but some children such as Mike are never able to fully recover.
first re read my post i meant everything i said, some people need link i don't need link to prove anything.
if you want to educate yourself the internet is there for that.
I don't need to lead anything on this forum since i haven't created it.
i was standing up for mj and his family.
third.
i don't need you to lecture me, thanks i appreciate you refraining from doing so.
and before attacking me take a look at all the hateful posts against michael's father and entire family before even thinking of attacking me.
i said what i said re read what i said about mj and his relationship with his father.
i am tired of repeating myself i have better things to do .
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
:(
@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
EXCUSE ME
?
DID YOU READ WHAT SHE SAID TO ME
WHO THE HELL THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS TO ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW ME?
HAS SHE MET ME ?
AND SHE IS SAYING THAT I AM FULL OF HATRED WHEN THE FANS ARE THE ONES HATING ON JOE AND HIS FAMILY EVEN ORDERING ALL OTHER GRANDKIDS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE CAUSE IT IS MJ'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS MJ'S PARENTS ?
R U KIDDING ME? :evil:
PLEASE JUST IGNORE ME .
OK ! :evil:
JUST IGNORE ME. :evil:
I SAID WHAT I SAID AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN I WILL NOT LET ANYONE ACCUSE MY FAMILY OF ABUSING ME NOR MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PH D.
AND SECOND I DID NOT CUSS ANYONE. RE READ MY POST .
I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND I AM THANKFUL FOR IT AND ANY PSYCHO WHO COMES AT ME TRYING TO LOOK SMART WILL BE CALLED OUT.
I did not get the opportunity to view the thread you are referring to, however people here have been attempting to get you to express your views in a manner that is acceptable to the forum.
Mo has already stated some have been pm'd & if the arguing doesn't cease she will lock the thread & if she does that we lose the ability to voice our opinions on the initial topic.
No, you aren't the only one that is cussing & capping their words, but perhaps you could lead them by example?
I stated my opinion earlier in the thread, but I'd like to add to it before this thread does get locked.
Back in the day & many parents beat their children because that is how they were raised & they didn't know anything different. Understand I am talking about beating versus spanking.
I was beat & spanked & I know the difference. Back then there weren't any laws to protect children that truly suffered & some even died from such beatings. This is precisely why laws were created. Are the laws perfect? No, they aren't but we can't continue to not speak for the voiceless.
Today it has been proved that children do not have to be hit in order to get them to comply. However it does take alot more patience & many parents find it easier to strike a child than to find other venues. Still, if your going to spank a child, then do it, but one should never ever beat a child.
You spoke of MJ & Joe beating each other. I've never read that, but I'd been interested to have you provide a factual link so that I may educate myself.
I will say that all I've ever heard MJ say is that he was a child when his father beat him. His father being the adult is of course stronger & the child will never win a battle which is why the adult should know better than to beat a child.
Mj did forgive his father, but he also said he never understood why his father didn't show him the love he wanted,..the love MJ needed.
More importantly MJ never recovered from the mental abuse & it was mental abuse which cannot be denied as it was a direct spring board.
No, we can't blame our parents for the rest of our lives, but some children such as Mike are never able to fully recover.
i didn't know that you and michael are that close to know that he hasn't fully recovered, and anyway, something for sure he don't sit there all day hating on his father.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
SPANKING HURT BUT YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MJ SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HOW HIS FATHER RAISED HIM CAUSE IT MADE HIM WHO HE IS TODAY.
THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT MJ HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER HAS FORGIVEN HIM TOO, I AM GLAD THAT JOE IS MICHAEL'S FATHER, AND I WOULDN'T WANT A CHILD LIKE YOU EITHER CAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO MY HOUSE TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE YOU, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP WITH AN EYE OPEN CAUSE I WOULD BE SCARED YOU WOULD TRY TO HARM ME.
WHILE I SLEEP, SINCE YOU CANNOT BE DISCIPLINED.
I FEEL FOR YOU THE WAY YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION WITH SUCH HATRED. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN AN ABUSED CHILD.( BY THE WAY I CAME OUT VERY WELL, I AM A PHSYCHOLOGIST, AND I AM STUDYING FOR MY PH.D. SO JUST THE WAY YOU ARE WRITING YOUR POST I FEEL YOU ARE AN ANGRY PERSON. I AM ANALYSING IN BETWEEN THE LINES. Ah you think he has forgiven his father?? If he had why in his will he does not want Joe near his children?? He wants his mother to raise his children.CAN YOU ANSWER ME THIS PLEASE?? HE MAY HAVE FORGIVEN HIM YES BUT NOT FORGOT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ABUSE OF HIS FATHER.. .AND AS FOR YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HE IS RIGHT. I AM FROM CANADA AND WE LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY, AND I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY.. ANYWAYS I NEVER THOUGHT THIS POST WAS FULL OF HATRED.. WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DO NOT WANT US TO SPEAK UP WELL THAN MICHAEL SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ABUSIVE FATHER.
LISTEN YOU SO CALLED PSYCHO LOGIST.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME YOU NEVER MET ME AND NEVER WILL.
OK! AND SECOND NO NEED TO TELL ME HOW MANY DEGREES YOU HAVE CAUSE IT AIN'T TOUCHING ME AT ALL I WENT TO COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY TOO.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT IT.
YOUR STUPID DEGREES BRAGGING DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ME.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AND SOUND STUPID.
FOR CLAIMING TO KNOW ME TO DETERMINED THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD.
HOW STUPID IS THAT ?
HOW DARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
ME THIS IS THE KIND OF CRAP THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE.
MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE THE MOST WONDERFUL MOTHER AND FATHER IN THE WORLD, I WOULDN'T CHANGE THEM FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD SO WHEN YOU SIT YOUR ASS IN FRONT YOU COMPUTER, AND ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSING ME
I AM THE ONE AND ONLY JUDGE OF THAT AND I DO NOT RECALL ANY CHILD ABUSE THAT HAS OCCURED IN MY LIFE BY MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY ARE LOVING PARENTS,
MICHAEL HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HE NEVER NEVER SAID THAT HE DON'T WANT HIS FATHER ANYWHERE NEAR HIS CHILDREN THEY ARE ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THEIR GRANDFATHER RECENTLY I WAS IN VEGAS AND THE KIDS WHERE THERE WITH JOE AND KATHERINE AND THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER SO KEEP YOUR SO CALLED EDUCATION TO YOURSELF BEFORE COMING ON HERE TRYING TO LOOK SMART CAUSE YOU SOUND DAMN STUPID.
ACTING LIKE YOU HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH MJ AND HE WAS TELLING YOU THAT HE HATE HIS FATHER EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK
YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE CAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOOR WITH THIS FAMILY.
YOUR ASS DON'T NEED TO ANALYSE ME AND I DO NOT GO TO SLEEP ANGRY NOR DO I WAKE UP ANGRY, ANALYSE YOURSELF I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANALYSE ME, I AM FINE AND WELL THANK GOD.
I ONLY GET ANGRY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU PISS ME OFF ACTING LIKE THEY KNOW IT ALL AND TAKE MICHAEL'S WORDS FOR THE GOSPEL LIKE HE IS JESUS AND NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG NOR CAN DO NO WRONG. AND I AM SICK OF THE RACIST UNDERTONES ON THIS WEBSITE AND THE JACKSON FAMILY BASHING ESPECIALLY ABOUT JOE, CAUSE MICHAEL SAID IT HIMSELF THAT HE OWES HIS CAREER TO HIS FATHER WHO HAS MADE HIM WHO HE IS, AND HE FORGAVE HIM, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF IT. HE LOVES HIS FATHER WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU ARE TO JUDGE JOE JACKSON AND TRY TO LECTURE HIM ABOUT RAISING CHILDREN?
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO LIVE IN THE GHETTO IN THE CONDDITION THEY WERE LIVING, WITH 9 KIDS WITH ONE PROVIDER IN THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU WILL TELL ME HOW IT FEELS,
HOW ABOUT GETTING YOURSELF A MAN AND THEN GET HIM TO PUT A RING ON YOUR FINGER INSTEAD OF HITTING IT AND QUIT THEN POP UP 10 BABIES THEN TRY TO KEEP THEN MAN THERE AND MAKE HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT HE WILL NOT BE A DEAD BEAT DAD AND PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY.
KATHERINE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT CAUSE JOE JACKSON IS A GOOD DAD AND A GREAT PROVIDER.
SO KEEP YOUR " I READ BETWEEN THE LINES " JUDMENT TO YOURSELF.
ONLY PSYCHOS ANALIZE PEOPLE NOT REAL NORMAL PEOPLE.
I DON'T NEED A LECTURE FROM YOU .
You know, you are absolutely right.. I am sorry that I hurted your feelings.. You came on very strongly if you read my previous post i said I agree we should respect the Jackson family especially Katherine. Probably you did not read it.. Anyways, like I said I appologize did not mean to offend you.. p.s. Thank you for calling me an Idiot, because I should have known better not to repost, just to let it go.. p.s. Like I do not know you, you do not know me either, you might never know if I know Michael.. Be careful what you say...
have a good night.
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I total agree, we should respect the Jackson family. Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations. every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father.. Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect Joe Jackson, and the family. I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
ALRIGHT NOW!
No parent have the right to spank a child?
well i guess no wonder there is so many kids killing their parents while they sleep and so many of them are juvenmile and so many of them doing drug and are muderer at age 4
so many of them are on the path to hell.
ain't no body willl tell me not to spank my child my mother spanked me and thank God it help me stay on the right path, i ain't doing none of what i am not supposed to do.
JOE JACKSON DID WHAT ANY FATHER WHO LOVES HIS CHIOLD IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND BECAUSE OF THAT NON OF THEM JACKSON KIDS WENT TO THE PENN.
AND I STAND BY EVERYTHING I SAID IN THE POST THAT WAS DELETED.
SOME FANS HERE DISGUST ME THEY ALWAYS WANT TO SEPARATE MICHAEL FROM HIS FAMILY BECAUSE HIS FAMILY REMINDS THEM THAT HE IS BLACK PERIOD.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAY JOE RAISED HIS KIDS THIS HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH RACISM.
THIS IS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.
DON'T DENY IT , FACE THE MUSIC.
The fact is, that Michael himself had said, that he suffered a great deal, from Joe "spanking " him. I would call it abuse.... NO child deserve that ! I dont know joes reasons to do so, but theres no reason that is valid. I would NEVER harm any of my children, nor spank them. I was never spanked as a child, and I never got into something bad. I'm glad that I'm not one of your kids.
SPANKING HURT BUT YOU REFUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT MJ SAID THAT HE WOULD NEVER CHANGE HOW HIS FATHER RAISED HIM CAUSE IT MADE HIM WHO HE IS TODAY.
THE BIGGEST ENTERTAINER IN THE WORLD.
YOU GUYS REFUSE TO ADMIT THAT MJ HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HIS FATHER HAS FORGIVEN HIM TOO, I AM GLAD THAT JOE IS MICHAEL'S FATHER, AND I WOULDN'T WANT A CHILD LIKE YOU EITHER CAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT COMES TO MY HOUSE TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE YOU, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO SLEEP WITH AN EYE OPEN CAUSE I WOULD BE SCARED YOU WOULD TRY TO HARM ME.
WHILE I SLEEP, SINCE YOU CANNOT BE DISCIPLINED.
I FEEL FOR YOU THE WAY YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION WITH SUCH HATRED. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN AN ABUSED CHILD.( BY THE WAY I CAME OUT VERY WELL, I AM A PHSYCHOLOGIST, AND I AM STUDYING FOR MY PH.D. SO JUST THE WAY YOU ARE WRITING YOUR POST I FEEL YOU ARE AN ANGRY PERSON. I AM ANALYSING IN BETWEEN THE LINES. Ah you think he has forgiven his father?? If he had why in his will he does not want Joe near his children?? He wants his mother to raise his children.CAN YOU ANSWER ME THIS PLEASE?? HE MAY HAVE FORGIVEN HIM YES BUT NOT FORGOT WHAT HE WENT THROUGH WITH THE ABUSE OF HIS FATHER.. .AND AS FOR YOUR PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A. HE IS RIGHT. I AM FROM CANADA AND WE LIVE IN A MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY, AND I AM PROUD OF MY COUNTRY.. ANYWAYS I NEVER THOUGHT THIS POST WAS FULL OF HATRED.. WE LIVE IN A FREE COUNTRY FREEDOM OF SPEECH IF YOU DO NOT WANT US TO SPEAK UP WELL THAN MICHAEL SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS ABUSIVE FATHER.
LISTEN YOU SO CALLED PSYCHO LOGIST.
YOU DON'T KNOW ME YOU NEVER MET ME AND NEVER WILL.
OK! AND SECOND NO NEED TO TELL ME HOW MANY DEGREES YOU HAVE CAUSE IT AIN'T TOUCHING ME AT ALL I WENT TO COLLEGE AND UNIVERSITY TOO.
AND I DON'T HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT IT.
YOUR STUPID DEGREES BRAGGING DON'T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN ME.
CAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AND SOUND STUPID.
FOR CLAIMING TO KNOW ME TO DETERMINED THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD.
HOW STUPID IS THAT ?
HOW DARE YOU TELLING ME THAT I WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW
ME THIS IS THE KIND OF CRAP THAT I WILL NOT TOLERATE.
MY MOTHER AND FATHER ARE THE MOST WONDERFUL MOTHER AND FATHER IN THE WORLD, I WOULDN'T CHANGE THEM FOR ANYTHING IN THE WORLD SO WHEN YOU SIT YOUR ASS IN FRONT YOU COMPUTER, AND ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSING ME
I AM THE ONE AND ONLY JUDGE OF THAT AND I DO NOT RECALL ANY CHILD ABUSE THAT HAS OCCURED IN MY LIFE BY MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY ARE LOVING PARENTS,
MICHAEL HAS FORGIVEN HIS FATHER AND HE NEVER NEVER SAID THAT HE DON'T WANT HIS FATHER ANYWHERE NEAR HIS CHILDREN THEY ARE ON A REGULAR BASIS WITH THEIR GRANDFATHER RECENTLY I WAS IN VEGAS AND THE KIDS WHERE THERE WITH JOE AND KATHERINE AND THE OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS.
AND THEY ALL LOVE EACH OTHER SO KEEP YOUR SO CALLED EDUCATION TO YOURSELF BEFORE COMING ON HERE TRYING TO LOOK SMART CAUSE YOU SOUND DAMN STUPID.
ACTING LIKE YOU HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH MJ AND HE WAS TELLING YOU THAT HE HATE HIS FATHER EVERYDAY OF THE WEEK
YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL IDIOT.
AND I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE CAUSE LIKE I SAID EARLIER NO ONE KNOWS WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOOR WITH THIS FAMILY.
YOUR ASS DON'T NEED TO ANALYSE ME AND I DO NOT GO TO SLEEP ANGRY NOR DO I WAKE UP ANGRY, ANALYSE YOURSELF I DON'T NEED YOU TO ANALYSE ME, I AM FINE AND WELL THANK GOD.
I ONLY GET ANGRY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU PISS ME OFF ACTING LIKE THEY KNOW IT ALL AND TAKE MICHAEL'S WORDS FOR THE GOSPEL LIKE HE IS JESUS AND NEVER DONE ANYTHING WRONG NOR CAN DO NO WRONG. AND I AM SICK OF THE RACIST UNDERTONES ON THIS WEBSITE AND THE JACKSON FAMILY BASHING ESPECIALLY ABOUT JOE, CAUSE MICHAEL SAID IT HIMSELF THAT HE OWES HIS CAREER TO HIS FATHER WHO HAS MADE HIM WHO HE IS, AND HE FORGAVE HIM, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN DEAL WITH THE REALITY OF IT. HE LOVES HIS FATHER WHO THE HELL YOU THINK YOU ARE TO JUDGE JOE JACKSON AND TRY TO LECTURE HIM ABOUT RAISING CHILDREN?
WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO LIVE IN THE GHETTO IN THE CONDDITION THEY WERE LIVING, WITH 9 KIDS WITH ONE PROVIDER IN THE HOUSE AND THEN YOU WILL TELL ME HOW IT FEELS,
HOW ABOUT GETTING YOURSELF A MAN AND THEN GET HIM TO PUT A RING ON YOUR FINGER INSTEAD OF HITTING IT AND QUIT THEN POP UP 10 BABIES THEN TRY TO KEEP THEN MAN THERE AND MAKE HIM AND MAKE SURE THAT HE WILL NOT BE A DEAD BEAT DAD AND PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY.
KATHERINE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT CAUSE JOE JACKSON IS A GOOD DAD AND A GREAT PROVIDER.
SO KEEP YOUR " I READ BETWEEN THE LINES " JUDMENT TO YOURSELF.
ONLY PSYCHOS ANALIZE PEOPLE NOT REAL NORMAL PEOPLE.
I DON'T NEED A LECTURE FROM YOU .
You know, you are absolutely right.. I am sorry that I hurted your feelings.. You came on very strongly if you read my previous post i said I agree we should respect the Jackson family especially Katherine. Probably you did not read it.. Anyways, like I said I appologize did not mean to offend you.. p.s. Thank you for calling me an Idiot, because I should have known better not to repost, just to let it go.. p.s. Like I do not know you, you do not know me either, you might never know if I know Michael.. Be careful what you say...
have a good night.
frankly i could careless if you know michael or not,
but you don't know where i live nor where i am writing from,
and you don't know if i know michael, or his family either,
so before telling me to be careful what i say you are the one who should be careful what you say.
cause when i spoke, i spoke from the bottom of my heart and from what i have seen before my very eyes.
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People. Please stop cursing.
There are minors on this forum.
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@DOITNOWMJ
We were having a calm conversation about the Jacksons.
There is no need to involve racism and prejudgment.
If you have a personal problem, please PM them.
Thank you.
EXCUSE ME
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DID YOU READ WHAT SHE SAID TO ME
WHO THE HELL THIS WOMAN THINKS SHE IS TO ACCUSE MY PARENTS OF ABUSE?
DOES SHE KNOW ME?
HAS SHE MET ME ?
AND SHE IS SAYING THAT I AM FULL OF HATRED WHEN THE FANS ARE THE ONES HATING ON JOE AND HIS FAMILY EVEN ORDERING ALL OTHER GRANDKIDS TO LEAVE THE HOUSE CAUSE IT IS MJ'S HOUSE WHEN THE HOUSE IS MJ'S PARENTS ?
R U KIDDING ME? :evil:
PLEASE JUST IGNORE ME .
OK ! :evil:
JUST IGNORE ME. :evil:
I SAID WHAT I SAID AND I WILL NOT BACK DOWN I WILL NOT LET ANYONE ACCUSE MY FAMILY OF ABUSING ME NOR MY PARENTS CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ME.
JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PH D.
AND SECOND I DID NOT CUSS ANYONE. RE READ MY POST .
I WAS SPANKED AS A CHILD AND I AM THANKFUL FOR IT AND ANY PSYCHO WHO COMES AT ME TRYING TO LOOK SMART WILL BE CALLED OUT.
I did not get the opportunity to view the thread you are referring to, however people here have been attempting to get you to express your views in a manner that is acceptable to the forum.
Mo has already stated some have been pm'd & if the arguing doesn't cease she will lock the thread & if she does that we lose the ability to voice our opinions on the initial topic.
No, you aren't the only one that is cussing & capping their words, but perhaps you could lead them by example?
I stated my opinion earlier in the thread, but I'd like to add to it before this thread does get locked.
Back in the day & many parents beat their children because that is how they were raised & they didn't know anything different. Understand I am talking about beating versus spanking.
I was beat & spanked & I know the difference. Back then there weren't any laws to protect children that truly suffered & some even died from such beatings. This is precisely why laws were created. Are the laws perfect? No, they aren't but we can't continue to not speak for the voiceless.
Today it has been proved that children do not have to be hit in order to get them to comply. However it does take alot more patience & many parents find it easier to strike a child than to find other venues. Still, if your going to spank a child, then do it, but one should never ever beat a child.
You spoke of MJ & Joe beating each other. I've never read that, but I'd been interested to have you provide a factual link so that I may educate myself.
I will say that all I've ever heard MJ say is that he was a child when his father beat him. His father being the adult is of course stronger & the child will never win a battle which is why the adult should know better than to beat a child.
Mj did forgive his father, but he also said he never understood why his father didn't show him the love he wanted,..the love MJ needed.
More importantly MJ never recovered from the mental abuse & it was mental abuse which cannot be denied as it was a direct spring board.
No, we can't blame our parents for the rest of our lives, but some children such as Mike are never able to fully recover.
first re read my post i meant everything i said, some people need link i don't need link to prove anything.
if you want to educate yourself the internet is there for that.
I don't need to lead anything on this forum since i haven't created it.
i was standing up for mj and his family.
third.
i don't need you to lecture me, thanks i appreciate you refraining from doing so.
and before attacking me take a look at all the hateful posts against michael's father and entire family before even thinking of attacking me.
i said what i said re read what i said about mj and his relationship with his father.
i am tired of repeating myself i have better things to do .
I have re-read your post & all of your other postings. I asked you to provide a link that provides the facts, because I do believe in facts & not allegations. You apparently believe in facts as well or you would not continually state the "we" believe everything we "hear" in the media, so it seems very relevant to ask for the facts & only the facts because everything in between is hearsay, wouldn't you agree?
It seems that you think that everyone is lecturing you & I'm referring to your own words in this thread. I am not forcing my opinion on you nor anyone else, but I am interjecting my views on your statements.
I do hear what you are saying with reference to MJ & his father, however it isn't an issue of people here trying to separate the father & son. It is an issue of understanding MJ's struggle due to his past.
One can forgive & love their parents, but it doesn't mean they don't carry their past with them. I'll say it again.
Not everyone can be beaten physically & mentally & exist in a normal life. It's because we are all different & that is human nature.
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Thanks for all the replies, I'm just getting home from work and reading the thread now.
I think.... everyone needs to listen to what Michael is and has been trying to say for so long. Don't judge until you have walked in someone's shoes. NONE of us have the right to judge the Jacksons, regardless of what we think we might know, NONE OF US WERE THERE. So we need to save it. Family is family and nothing touches that kind of relationship, it's private and personal, period. RESPECT is in order. Basic respect for another human being, respect for their accomplishments, respect for all they have given us in the form of entertainment throughout the decades, respect for the example they set for others, ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST MICHAEL.
And NONE OF US know the true story of Joe and Michael's relationship, DOITNOWMJ has been trying to explain this but some just keep poking her with sharp sticks, some are enjoying the sport of harassing her to get a rise out of her without reading what she's trying to say. Is this the right thing to do? Is this kind? Is this what MICHAEL JACKSON would do? She's tring to communicate something here....
QUIT POKING and walk the walk.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHO MIGHT BE BEHIND THE SCREENNAME.......
Not to mention you have no idea who might be reading.
Save your judgement, please. For the Jacksons but also for Joe Nobody on the street too. Be a better person. My GOD, if hoaxers and MJ fans gossip and judge this badly, after spending 8 MONTHS researching the plight of the man we all profess to admire so much, the world is DOOMED.
Don't you see? ARMY OF LOVE my ass, it's a waste of time if we don't put our money where our mouths are and make a change. STOP JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE.
And I say WE. WE, YOU and ME too. I'm not even close to perfect, I need to do better.
Thanks again for the replies and I really hope we can all do a better job of practicing tollerance and acceptance, because I catch myself being judgemental of others and dispairaging their efforts and I am ashamed when I realise what I just said/did. It's really hard, but it's worth it to keep trying to WALK THE WALK. Step by step we will get there but only if you keep putting one foot in front of the other and keep heading towards the sun.
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;) Thanks Bec.
WWMJD ppl.
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And btw, links aren't the only source of proof. Sometimes PERSONAL EXPERIENCE trumps any other source.... but unfortunatly, you cannot provide a hyperlink to someone's memory banks.
I think DOITNOWMJ's point is beyond a link for proof....
Perhaps just take it for what it's worth.... none of us were there, so none of us have any idea what happened or how Michael or his father feel about it, or what's in their hearts right now. This is why you don't get involved in family issues, period, and you are probably best saving judgement for your own problems.
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aw dang gonna catch up to this thread later today...
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aw dang gonna catch up to this thread later today...
:lol:
not worth it.
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aw dang gonna catch up to this thread later today...
:lol:
not worth it.
On the contrary, it's completely worth it.
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wuuut?
8-)
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Why wouldn't it be? We all need a reality check.
edited to add: well, in my opinion we do but what the hell do I know. Just sayin'.
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I can see that DOITNOWMJ is still posting hatefull posts and fighting, so I will stay out of this thread, cause I know, that I will get angry again. :(
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God bless everyone in this thread that have settled their difference in opinions, and if you don't believe in God, then the same with your highest being. Your words are spoken loudly and everyone can see them. You can't even imagine who read these forums. LOVE
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I'm disappointed... Last night I posted a reply, after first PM-ing members and asking them to change their attitude, urging people to change the atmosphere in this thread, because it had gotten to a point where people were just bashing each other. Things went back to normal and the actual topic was discussed again. This morning I opened the thread again to find more bashing and hateful messages. :?
Here are my two cents:
Everybody is entitled to have an opinion and air it, but it all comes to the way you do it. If you do not agree, then just say so, but don't go though great lengths bashing, accusing, judging and insulting each other. You can't state "Don't bash the Jacksons" and then turn around and do the exact same thing to your fellow forum members.
Whether people are insiders or related to the Jacksons or not, that doesn't give anyone the right to reply this rude.
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Thanks *MO*. :|
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I'm disappointed... Last night I posted a reply, after first PM-ing members and asking them to change their attitude, urging people to change the atmosphere in this thread, because it had gotten to a point where people were just bashing each other. Things went back to normal and the actual topic was discussed again. This morning I opened the thread again to find more bashing and hateful messages. :?
Here are my two cents:
Everybody is entitled to have an opinion and air it, but it all comes to the way you do it. If you do not agree, then just say so, but don't go though great lengths bashing, accusing, judging and insulting each other. You can't state "Don't bash the Jacksons" and then turn around and do the exact same thing to your fellow forum members.
Whether people are insiders or related to the Jacksons or not, that doesn't give anyone the right to reply this rude.
Amen! That was the point I was trying to convey. Some folks are so filled with anger that they don't realize they are doing the exact same thing they are accusing others of. Ahhh
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@DOITNOWMJ, Please take your attitude to messaging. Please do not post hateful, racist, name calling and cursing in public post. I am here, as we all are, to find out what happened to Michael. I personally don't want to read all the bashing that is going on with the family or between members. It is unproductive and quite frankly immature.
IF SOMEONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH OTHER MEMBERS AND WHAT WAS POSTED TAKE IT TO PRIVATE MESSAGING. THERE ARE CHILDREN ON HERE THAT READ THIS!!!!
It is time to move on!!!
Admins please lock this thread so the bashing will stop. Thank you.
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No, I'm not going to lock this thread, I have taken other measures.
Keep it peaceful.
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Jeeezzz............what the heck is wrong with everyone?????
I am shocked at the way this thread has turned out. One person in particular which has been taken care of.
People, when someone like this is THAT hateful and rude, please do yourself and others a favor and do not respond to their posts. As much as it might piss you off....do NOT give them the pleasure of knowing they got to your feelings. Thats what they strive to do.
There are angry people in this wourld and for whatever reason, they thrive on taking it out on other people. They are not happy unless they make everyone around them UNhappy....didnt you notice how this person responded to almost EVERY post in this thread? Not one nice word at all.
Ironically though, as this person was trying to defend MJ and his family...she/he was doing the exact opposite of what she was TRYING to accomplish...does that make sense?
Anyways, next time this happens...PLEASE do not feed these members hateful appetites....
*****hugs all around**** :mrgreen:
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Please keep it peaceful everyone! Look we are talking about respecting The Jackson Family, but where do you all start with that if we can't even respect one another?
Peace, Love, Unity and Respect to everyone!
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HOLA, SOY DE ARGENTINA, YO OPINO LO SIGUIENTE.
AMI LA FAMILIA DE MICHAEL NO ME GUSTA PARA NADA NO ES QUE LOS ODIO XQ SEAN NEGRO COMO DICEN X AHI NI NADA DE ESO SOLO X LO QUE ESTAN HACIENDO CON MICHAEL, NO LO DEFIENDEN EN NADA MIREN LO QUE PASO ESE CANAL QUE RECONSTRUYO EL HECHO DE ESE MALDITO 25 DE JUNIO XQ NO HACEN ALGO PARA QUE ESTO SE PARE Y DEJEN DE GANAR DINERO A CAUSA DE SU PARTIDA ?'NO LES IMPORTE SUS HIJOS PARA NADA ESTOS MALDITOS. XQ SUBASTARON TANTAS COSAS MARAVILLOSAS DE MICHAEL?? XQ PERMITEN QUE SAQUEN TANTOS LIBROS QUE HABLAN MAL DE ÈL ?? NO LES IMPOTA NADA TODO X DINERO HACEN ESTO AHORA VAN HACER UNA GIRA LOS HERMANOS DONDE SE PRENDE JANET EN ESTO ES UNA BURLA LO QUE HACEN UNA FALTA DE RESPETO YO NO LO VEO BIEN PARA NADA AMI ESTA GENTE NO ME GUSTA MENOS MAL QUE MICHAEL NO ERA COMO ELLOS, EL PADRE ANDAVA PELIANDO PARA PEDIR UNA PARTE DE LA FORTUNA DE SU HIJO, A POCO DIAS DE SU PARTIDA SE FUE A UNA FIESTA DONO EL DUEÑO LO ECHO HIZO MUY BIEN EN HACERLO COMO ES POSIBLE QUE DESPUES DE LA PERDIDA DE UN HIJO TE DEN GANAS DE IR A UNA FIESTA?? ESO ES TOTALMENTE DESCORAZONADO, NO TIENE PERDON DE DIOS. LA UNICA FAMILIA MARAVILLOSA QUE TIENE MICHAEL SON SUS TRES PEQUEÑOS ANGELITOS QUE SON IGULA QUE ÈL UNA MARAVILLA DE PERSONA. AMO A MICHAEL PRUFUNDAMENTE Y REZO X ÈL PARA QUE SEA FELIZ Y QUE SEA HAGA JUSTICIA X LO QUE LE HICIERON Y QUE DE UNA BUENA VEZ LO DEJEN EN PAZZZ!!! Y QUE DEJEN DE GANAR DINERO CON SU PARTIDA.
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It's not necessary to pile on either. Mo has spoken and that's that so let's carry on. No need for a bunch of "YEAH what she said"s.
People get angry, everyone does from time to time, but a person's angry flourish does not make them open season for returing the favor.
One thing I did notice is the careful use of directing anger at the ACTIONS and WORDS of other posters, not at the other posters themselves. When I took a minute to read carefully, I realised this person was extremely careful to do this, and I appreciate that.
For example, saying "YOU'RE ACTING LIKE AN IDIOT" is very very different from saying "YOU'RE AN IDIOT". What's the difference? The difference is the lack of labeling of a person. Saying "you're acting like" gives the recipient a chance to change their behavior, from that of an "idiot" to not. On the contrary, "you're an idiot" labels and classifies a person as an idiot and that removes all power from that person as no matter what they do, in the eyes of the deliverer, they will always be an idiot.
Do you see?
So, while we all get angry from time to time, and we all have tirades and flourishes, there's a productive way to vent that anger and there's a judgemental way that is damaging.
I'm actually not sure it's entirely fair to say this person was participating in the same behavior as those bashing the Jackson family due to that careful choice of wording. And it's certainly not at all fair to say that she didn't say one nice thing either, as she made more then one post that fit that classification, though they got buried and lost in the other type of post to be sure.
Now, on the flip side, it is also fair to say that when you type in all caps and use curse words, your intended audience tends to stop reading, turn their brain off, and start jumping to conclusions that you're just a crazy psycho spewing venom... and I am guilty of doing this too. It's ironic, as we sometimes use all caps and curse words TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE READER, but it can backfire perfectly too.
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HOLA, SOY DE ARGENTINA, YO OPINO LO SIGUIENTE.
AMI LA FAMILIA DE MICHAEL NO ME GUSTA PARA NADA NO ES QUE LOS ODIO XQ SEAN NEGRO COMO DICEN X AHI NI NADA DE ESO SOLO X LO QUE ESTAN HACIENDO CON MICHAEL, NO LO DEFIENDEN EN NADA MIREN LO QUE PASO ESE CANAL QUE RECONSTRUYO EL HECHO DE ESE MALDITO 25 DE JUNIO XQ NO HACEN ALGO PARA QUE ESTO SE PARE Y DEJEN DE GANAR DINERO A CAUSA DE SU PARTIDA ?'NO LES IMPORTE SUS HIJOS PARA NADA ESTOS MALDITOS. XQ SUBASTARON TANTAS COSAS MARAVILLOSAS DE MICHAEL?? XQ PERMITEN QUE SAQUEN TANTOS LIBROS QUE HABLAN MAL DE ÈL ?? NO LES IMPOTA NADA TODO X DINERO HACEN ESTO AHORA VAN HACER UNA GIRA LOS HERMANOS DONDE SE PRENDE JANET EN ESTO ES UNA BURLA LO QUE HACEN UNA FALTA DE RESPETO YO NO LO VEO BIEN PARA NADA AMI ESTA GENTE NO ME GUSTA MENOS MAL QUE MICHAEL NO ERA COMO ELLOS, EL PADRE ANDAVA PELIANDO PARA PEDIR UNA PARTE DE LA FORTUNA DE SU HIJO, A POCO DIAS DE SU PARTIDA SE FUE A UNA FIESTA DONO EL DUEÑO LO ECHO HIZO MUY BIEN EN HACERLO COMO ES POSIBLE QUE DESPUES DE LA PERDIDA DE UN HIJO TE DEN GANAS DE IR A UNA FIESTA?? ESO ES TOTALMENTE DESCORAZONADO, NO TIENE PERDON DE DIOS. LA UNICA FAMILIA MARAVILLOSA QUE TIENE MICHAEL SON SUS TRES PEQUEÑOS ANGELITOS QUE SON IGULA QUE ÈL UNA MARAVILLA DE PERSONA. AMO A MICHAEL PRUFUNDAMENTE Y REZO X ÈL PARA QUE SEA FELIZ Y QUE SEA HAGA JUSTICIA X LO QUE LE HICIERON Y QUE DE UNA BUENA VEZ LO DEJEN EN PAZZZ!!! Y QUE DEJEN DE GANAR DINERO CON SU PARTIDA.
Hola back to u!
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I'm disappointed... Last night I posted a reply, after first PM-ing members and asking them to change their attitude, urging people to change the atmosphere in this thread, because it had gotten to a point where people were just bashing each other. Things went back to normal and the actual topic was discussed again. This morning I opened the thread again to find more bashing and hateful messages. :?
Here are my two cents:
Everybody is entitled to have an opinion and air it, but it all comes to the way you do it. If you do not agree, then just say so, but don't go though great lengths bashing, accusing, judging and insulting each other. You can't state "Don't bash the Jacksons" and then turn around and do the exact same thing to your fellow forum members.
Whether people are insiders or related to the Jacksons or not, that doesn't give anyone the right to reply this rude.
Couldn't agree more!
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Agreed,now everybody needs to stop hating on Jermaine,he do need to be a man and take care of his kids though.
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I suppose the fact that Jermaine is overseas hasn't been lost on anyone. It's perfectly normal for kids to go stay at Grandma's while Mom and Dad are out of town, right?
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I love the jacksons! and most jacksons haters have something wrong with them as far as meaness is concerned :lol: but as far as the kids go, i wish i was their nanny!! i'd be sure the stunner became the stunnee! " blanket you stun him right back how he did to you so he know's how it feels" lol yeah and after that i keep that stunner for myself! LOL what website is sellin stun guns anyway that kids can get to them? TODAYS KIDS ARE SO TECHNOLOGICAL THEY SOMETIMES OUTSMART THE GROWN UPS!! LOL i have never seen stun guns for sale anywhere!
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I love the jacksons! and most jacksons haters have something wrong with them as far as meaness is concerned :lol: but as far as the kids go, i wish i was their nanny!! i'd be sure the stunner became the stunnee! " blanket you stun him right back how he did to you so he know's how it feels" lol yeah and after that i keep that stunner for myself! LOL what website is sellin stun guns anyway that kids can get to them? TODAYS KIDS ARE SO TECHNOLOGICAL THEY SOMETIMES OUTSMART THE GROWN UPS!! LOL i have never seen stun guns for sale anywhere!
http://ws.infospace.com/coolchaser_tab/ ... ceUrl=true (http://ws.infospace.com/coolchaser_tab/ws/results/Web/stun%20guns%20for%20sale/1/0/0/Relevance/iq=true/zoom=off/_iceUrlFlag=7?_IceUrl=true)
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I suppose the fact that Jermaine is overseas hasn't been lost on anyone. It's perfectly normal for kids to go stay at Grandma's while Mom and Dad are out of town, right?
AAAhhh no, those kids has been over in that house since their birth, they have not lived anywhere else and Jermaine does not have custody,He allows this skank to live off his mother,while he continues to live else where with his wife.Jermaine stayed at the main house,with their leech ass mom,(during their bogous marriage)who has no education and no job,who did two brothers and gave birth to children by both brothers,making them sibblings as well as first cousins.Jermaine needs to tighten up and take care of his responsibility.Outside of this,I loooooove me some Jacksons.
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bec, I agree with the sentiment expressed in your post. The Jacksons' story must be celebrated and not tarnished, and the general mudslinging in their direction needs to stop. However, I think that Michael was way more talented than any of his siblings and much more hard-working than most of them (Janet might be on a par in this respect, but no one else). Of course the family plays a formative role for every one of us, but Michael's unparalleled and lasting success is primarily owed to Michael and his unique combination of talents. He could easily have burned out at age 20-25... Most people in his shoes probably would have!! The fact that he didn't is a testament to Michael's greatness as a human being. So basically Michael was in a league all of his own, and sadly ON his own too.
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Nature vs. nurture and the debate rages.
It's imposible to separate one from the other so arguing it is useless. Both Michael's natural tallent and his family structure were necesary to produce the Michael Jackson the world knows today, that's a fact.
In any case, we can't go wrong with a little respect.
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bec, I agree with the sentiment expressed in your post. The Jacksons' story must be celebrated and not tarnished, and the general mudslinging in their direction needs to stop. However, I think that Michael was way more talented than any of his siblings and much more hard-working than most of them (Janet might be on a par in this respect, but no one else). Of course the family plays a formative role for every one of us, but Michael's unparalleled and lasting success is primarily owed to Michael and his unique combination of talents. He could easily have burned out at age 20-25... Most people in his shoes probably would have!! The fact that he didn't is a testament to Michael's greatness as a human being. So basically Michael was in a league all of his own, and sadly ON his own too.
84Nature vs. nurture and the debate rages.
It's imposible to separate one from the other so arguing it is useless. Both Michael's natural tallent and his family structure were necesary to produce the Michael Jackson the world knows today, that's a fact.
In any case, we can't go wrong with a little respect.
well said
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just throwing this one out there
do you respect people who continuously lie to you?
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just throwing this one out there
do you respect people who continuously lie to you?
Thums up !!!!!
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just throwing this one out there
do you respect people who continuously lie to you?
If they lie in order to protect their familymember who's in danger, then YES.
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The Jacksons aren't my friends or family members, I don't even know them, so they don't OWE me the truth or anything else for that matter.
@arabian nights, why do you feel you deserve not to be lied to by a celebrity? As far as respect, how about respect for another human being? If someone in real life lies to you are you then justified in talking smack about them in public? How do you determine the accuracy of classifying something as a lie before feeling ok to proceed with the public smack talking justification? There's two sides to every story right? So what if you're wrong and it was a misunderstanding instead of a lie, but it's too late, and you already smack talked someone all over town... then who's the one who didn't deserve respect? Or as my old employer would say, "who's the a******** now?"
I don't really get the mentality people get about celebrities being required to divulge personal information to the public else be accused of deceit. Why do they have to speak to the press at all?
Michael hasn't always told us the truth either, and I know you respect him.
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Why is the Jackson family above criticism? If the very same family dynamics that are happening with them right now were happening in a house on your block, people would be having a fit and child services would be all over it, as they should be.
It is screwed up that Katherine at age 79 seems to be the only responsible adult in that household who is tasked with managing all those kids. MJ's kids lost their dad, but those other kids have parents! At her age she should be able to take it easy, and her sons should behave like active parents instead of leaving everything to her.
It sickens me that some of her sons feel it's ok to put this weight on her while they go off to do whatever... no doubt they feel comfortable doing so b/c she is the conduit through whom the MJ estate money currently flows. Do any of us believe for a minute that the money flowing through Katherine is only supporting MJ's kids? Get real.
It is truly amazing to me that when the taser incident was continuing to unfold, Jermaine was too busy giving interviews overseas to shake his ass home and act like a responsible parent.
And yes, I feel it is ok for people to express some common sense judgment re this family, considering they very much want the public to buy whatever they're promoting, whether it's a reality show or a future album or a concert or whatever. Like too many other celebrities they expect the public and MJ fans to subsidize their lifestyle with our money, yet also demand that we remain silent while they live like hypocrites.