Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: *Mo* on June 13, 2010, 07:33:45 AM
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Okay, help me out with this one please... Both La Toya and Janet have said that the last time they saw Mike was during the 60th wedding anniversary of their parents which took place in Las Vegas three weeks before Mike's "death".
According to Wikipedia, Joe and Katherine got married on November 5, 1949. (Remember remember the 5th of November?). Why would they have a 60th wedding anniversary in June, while they got married in November? Was that really an "anniversary party", or was it in fact a last get together to discuss everyone's role in the upcoming events?
Here's a video from CNN at the BET Awards in which Joe talks about that anniversary. Start at 3:36.
[youtube:255wzdsd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27665VPRmQ[/youtube:255wzdsd]
Reporter: There had been talk to us about the 60th...your 60th wedding anniversary as I understand in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. The entire family was there and Michael said that he had wanted the members of it's family to come down.
Joe: Joe: My 60th...my birthday?
Reporter: Your wedding anniversary, you and Katherine, in Las Vegas.
Joe: Joe: Ohh oh oh, that was fantastic, yes it was. A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see. It was a fantastic job that was done. It was the first one though, that was our first wedding anniversary we had, and they came out, fantastic.
"My 60th...my birthday?" "A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see." Ehhhh?? :roll: Say what Joe??
La Toya however said this wedding anniversary took place in Beverly Hills:
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Michael was already at the party with his children when she arrived: ‘He was standing by the door and said, “Oh La Toya, you look fabulous.” He was thin but he ate that night. Michael loves his curries. He enjoyed every minute of it. At the end, he embraced me and said, “We have to do this again.” Then he went to the door, looked back and gave me a wave goodbye. That was the last time I saw my baby brother.’
http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/lato ... -murdered/ (http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/latoya-jackson-speaks-out-michael-was-murdered/)
Okay, confusion all over the place again.
Next to that, we have family members saying it was impossible to get access to Mike, yet the spent time all together three weeks before his "death" during this 'anniversary'. That's contradictory. If they wanted to talk to Mike, this was the ultimate opportunity.
I think this get together was important, and we need to look into it. Please share your thoughts...[/b]
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That's definitley one to think about - probably the last supper.
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Well this could be interesting. I think this is why we need to go back to the beginning and reinvestigate everything. Emotions were running so high at first that a lot of things could have been overlooked.
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Back to the begining is a good thing, As it really does sound confusing, if they did meet up 3 weeks before Michael "Died" then that would also be the time of the rehersals....... ;)
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November 5th...weird!!
I think you're on to something, Mo. It's been obvious that they've made up a lot of things. If they really did all get together like that, it would make sense for them to make up a reason why, like a wedding anniversary.
Joe is something else though haha. He never has a clue what he should say. I can never tell if he's trying to give clues or if that's just how he is. Kind of think that's just how he is.
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Janet has two stories to tell when was the last time she saw Michael
one story - about month before he "passed" - she was having a surprise party for a friends (if I hear correctly)
starts at 5:10
[youtube:3ry6phj2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKf6vQvkGyY[/youtube:3ry6phj2]
second story - two days before her birthday - so it would be 14th of May - at family gathering event
starts at 2:50
[youtube:3ry6phj2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOse6wBG5DE[/youtube:3ry6phj2]
unless, of course, she was organizing a surprise party for her friend at the time of family gathering ;)
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You´re right, Mo, this sounds weird.
First I thought, that maybe it was postponed because they wanted to have all of them on one party, and they all had time that late.
But Joe´s reaction was weird.
A little anecdote:
I remember when I was 17 years old, a friend of mine threw a party when her parents weren´t home, just her older sister was supposed to come home. And the friend told me "hey, in case my sister asks, this was a surprise bday party for you, ok?" (it was months after my bday).
Then her sister came home, we were all there, suddenly her sister stopped the music and said "heeey, congratulations on your birthday". Everyone was looking at me, and I didnt know who was meant.
Until I caught up on that one looong seconds later and was like "oohh...of course...aaah, yeah, thank you very much!" I am sure she knew it wasn´t my bday then, haha
And Joe´s reaction was just as weird; if you have your 60th wedding anniversary you know about that, and you don´t ask about your birthday - most of all when your about 20 years older than that!
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I think there were a family party before he died. I remember seeing pics of mj at his family party.It was on Austin Brown myspace: his nephew
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I think there were a family party before he died. I remember seeing pics of mj at his family party.It was on Austin Brown myspace: his nephew
You mean before he hoaxed?
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That's definitley one to think about - probably the last supper.
That's an interesting thought. We know that this version of The Last Supper hung over Mike's bed at Neverland:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3426343615_dde40f6463.jpg)
Then we have this stained glass masterpiece of Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper painting in the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn:
(http://www.forestlawn.com/Images/Vistas/ContentTheLastSupperWindowMemorialTerrace1.jpg)
This is the original Da Vinci painting:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper.jpg)
Click for a larger version: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... _large.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper_large.jpg)
Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)):
The Last Supper (Italian: Il Cenacolo or L'Ultima Cena) is a 15th century mural painting in Milan created by Leonardo da Vinci for his patron Duke Ludovico Sforza and his duchess Beatrice d'Este. It represents the scene of The Last Supper from the final days of Jesus as narrated in the Gospel of John 13:21, when Jesus announces that one of his Twelve Apostles would betray him.
The painting
The Last Supper measures 450 × 870 centimeters (15 feet × 29 ft) and covers the back wall of the dining hall at the church of Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan, Italy. The theme was a traditional one for refectories, although the room was not a refectory at the time that Leonardo painted it. The main church building had only recently been completed (in 1497), but was remodeled by Bramante, hired by Ludovico Sforza to build a Sforza family mausoleum. The painting was commissioned by Sforza to be the centerpiece of the mausoleum. The lunettes above the main painting, formed by the triple arched ceiling of the refectory, are painted with Sforza coats-of-arms. The opposite wall of the refectory is covered by the Crucifixion fresco by Giovanni Donato da Montorfano, to which Leonardo added figures of the Sforza family in tempera. (These figures have deteriorated in much the same way as has The Last Supper.) Leonardo began work on The Last Supper in 1495 and completed it in 1498—he did not work on the painting continuously. This beginning date is not certain, as "the archives of the convent have been destroyed and our meagre documents date from 1497 when the painting was nearly finished."
The Last Supper specifically portrays the reaction given by each apostle when Jesus said one of them would betray him. All twelve apostles have different reactions to the news, with various degrees of anger and shock. From left to right:
- Bartholomew, James, son of Alphaeus and Andrew form a group of three, all are surprised.
- Judas Iscariot, Peter and John form another group of three. Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow, looking rather withdrawn and taken aback by the sudden revelation of his plan. He is clutching a small bag, perhaps signifying the silver given to him as payment to betray Jesus, or perhaps a reference to his role within the 12 disciples as treasurer.[4] He is the only person to have his elbow on the table. Peter looks angry and is holding a knife pointed away from Christ, perhaps foreshadowing his violent reaction in Gethsemane during Jesus' arrest. The youngest apostle, John, appears to swoon.
- Jesus
- Apostle Thomas, James the Greater and Philip are the next group of three. Thomas is clearly upset; James the Greater looks stunned, with his arms in the air. Meanwhile, Philip appears to be requesting some explanation.
- Matthew, Jude Thaddeus and Simon the Zealot are the final group of three. Both Jude Thaddeus and Matthew are turned toward Simon, perhaps to find out if he has any answer to their initial questions.
In the 19th century, a manuscript (The Notebooks Leonardo Da Vinci pg. 232) was found with their names; before this only Judas, Peter, John and Jesus were positively identified.
In common with other depictions of The Last Supper from this period, Leonardo seats the diners on one side of the table, so that none of them have their backs to the viewer. Most previous depictions excluded Judas by placing him alone on the opposite side of the table from the other eleven disciples and Jesus or placing halos around all the disciples except Judas. Leonardo instead has Judas lean back into shadow. Jesus is predicting that his betrayer will take the bread at the same time he does to Saints Thomas and James to his left, who react in horror as Jesus points with his left hand to a piece of bread before them. Distracted by the conversation between John and Peter, Judas reaches for a different piece of bread not noticing Jesus too stretching out with his right hand towards it. (Matthew 26: 17-46). The angles and lighting draw attention to Jesus, whose head is located at the vanishing point for all perspective lines.
The painting contains several references to the number 3, which represents the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity. The Apostles are seated in groupings of three; there are three windows behind Jesus; and the shape of Jesus' figure resembles a triangle. There may have been other references that have since been lost as the painting deteriorated.
I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling - if this anniversary indeed represents the last supper, then who is the Judas..?[/b]
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I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling - if this anniversary indeed represents the last supper, then who is the Judas..?
And if there was some kind of last supper... MJ must have known who the Judas was (when compared to Jesus)...
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I remember reading about a family meeting they all supposedly had about 2 weeks before MJ died. It was speculated they were discussing the family tour that was supposed to take place. It was said there was a heated argument and MJ was very angry at his brothers. It was reported his mother was putting pressure on him to perform with his family. There were photographs of them exiting the meeting. I believe it was in L.A. I cannot find the article now at all. I will keep searching.
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You´re right, Mo, this sounds weird.
First I thought, that maybe it was postponed because they wanted to have all of them on one party, and they all had time that late.
No, this "anniversary" party took place 6 months prior to their 60's wedding anniversary, not afterwards...
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I remember reading about a family meeting they all supposedly had about 2 weeks before MJ died. It was speculated they were discussing the family tour that was supposed to take place. It was said there was a heated argument and MJ was very angry at his brothers. It was reported his mother was putting pressure on him to perform with his family. There were photographs of them exiting the meeting. I believe it was in L.A. I cannot find the article now at all. I will keep searching.
i guess this is the info that you are looking for
http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-j ... n-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-jackson-jackson-5-jackson-five-jacko-janet-jackson-lawsuit/)
Michael Jackson Will Be Sued Over Jackson 5
Originally posted May 16th 2009 10:19 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
We've learned there was a secret meeting yesterday at the Beverly Hills Hotel, where Michael Jackson made it clear -- he will not perform with Janet and the Jackson 5; and the dude who organized the concert tour tells us he will sue them.
As we first reported, Jacko's manager signed a deal on behalf of M.J. to perform with his sis and bros at Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, Texas in 2010. Part of the deal -- that he not sign any other concert deal for 18 months. But then Jacko went and signed up for his London concerts which are scheduled to begin in July.
The company that organized the family concert --- AllGood Entertainment -- got Michael, daddy Joe Jackson and several others in a room yesterday at the Bev Hills Hotel. Joe tried to convince Michael that the family tour should go on, but Michael wouldn't budge because it would have aired on pay-per-view and M.J. said he doesn't like pay-per-view! The meeting was heated and no one agreed to anything.
Patrick Allocco of AllGood Entertainment tells us he's going to sue Jackson and his family next week.
Stay tuned.
UPDATE: Patrick Allocco has resubmitted his offer for MJ to perform with the Jackson 5 and Janet without the pay-per-view. For this one night event, MJ would be paid $3million, Janet $1mil, and the brothers would get $500,000 to split.
Allocco is making this his last and final offer. If Jacko refuses, AllGood Entertainment will proceed with suing him and his family.
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these photos are probably the same day
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You´re right, Mo, this sounds weird.
First I thought, that maybe it was postponed because they wanted to have all of them on one party, and they all had time that late.
No, this "anniversary" party took place 6 months prior to their 60's wedding anniversary, not afterwards...
Aaaah, you´re right.. (maths was never my strong subject ...lol ;)) Ok, now I understand why it´s THIS weird! Postponing is one thing... but earlier?
Or... well, sometimes ppl differ between their legal wedding and the wedding at the church?! Are there differences in the US, do you know about that?!
Hm.
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This can´t be the meeting at the anniversary.
If it was two or three weeks before June 25th, they all didn´t get the date right... The article is from May 16th, so the meeting would have taken place on the 15th of May... more than a month before June 25th... Weird.I remember reading about a family meeting they all supposedly had about 2 weeks before MJ died. It was speculated they were discussing the family tour that was supposed to take place. It was said there was a heated argument and MJ was very angry at his brothers. It was reported his mother was putting pressure on him to perform with his family. There were photographs of them exiting the meeting. I believe it was in L.A. I cannot find the article now at all. I will keep searching.
i guess this is the info that you are looking for
http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-j ... n-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-jackson-jackson-5-jackson-five-jacko-janet-jackson-lawsuit/)
Michael Jackson Will Be Sued Over Jackson 5
Originally posted May 16th 2009 10:19 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
We've learned there was a secret meeting yesterday at the Beverly Hills Hotel, where Michael Jackson made it clear -- he will not perform with Janet and the Jackson 5; and the dude who organized the concert tour tells us he will sue them.
As we first reported, Jacko's manager signed a deal on behalf of M.J. to perform with his sis and bros at Cowboy Stadium in Arlington, Texas in 2010. Part of the deal -- that he not sign any other concert deal for 18 months. But then Jacko went and signed up for his London concerts which are scheduled to begin in July.
The company that organized the family concert --- AllGood Entertainment -- got Michael, daddy Joe Jackson and several others in a room yesterday at the Bev Hills Hotel. Joe tried to convince Michael that the family tour should go on, but Michael wouldn't budge because it would have aired on pay-per-view and M.J. said he doesn't like pay-per-view! The meeting was heated and no one agreed to anything.
Patrick Allocco of AllGood Entertainment tells us he's going to sue Jackson and his family next week.
Stay tuned.
UPDATE: Patrick Allocco has resubmitted his offer for MJ to perform with the Jackson 5 and Janet without the pay-per-view. For this one night event, MJ would be paid $3million, Janet $1mil, and the brothers would get $500,000 to split.
Allocco is making this his last and final offer. If Jacko refuses, AllGood Entertainment will proceed with suing him and his family.
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I remember reading about a family meeting they all supposedly had about 2 weeks before MJ died. It was speculated they were discussing the family tour that was supposed to take place. It was said there was a heated argument and MJ was very angry at his brothers. It was reported his mother was putting pressure on him to perform with his family. There were photographs of them exiting the meeting. I believe it was in L.A. I cannot find the article now at all. I will keep searching.
i guess this is the info that you are looking for
http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-j ... n-lawsuit/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/05/16/michael-jackson-jackson-5-jackson-five-jacko-janet-jackson-lawsuit/)
Michael Jackson Will Be Sued Over Jackson 5
Originally posted May 16th 2009 10:19 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
We've learned there was a secret meeting yesterday at the Beverly Hills Hotel, where Michael Jackson made it clear -- he will not perform with Janet and the Jackson 5; and the dude who organized the concert tour tells us he will sue them.
So we got that clear, this meeting is not the 60's wedding anniversary.
A) It took place in Los Angeles and not in Las Vegas,
B) It took place on May 15th, which is a lot more than 3 weeks prior to June 25th
C) AllGood Entertainment, Michael, Joe Jackson and several others attended, no mentioning of the entire family.
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In the Neverland painting they are not having supper .....
It looks like the painting has been cut if you look at the table at the front. Is somenone cut out from that painting ? Maybe nothing important ....
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In the Neverland painting they are not having supper .....
It looks like the painting has been cut if you look at the table at the front. Is somenone cut out from that painting ? Maybe nothing important ....
its looks like they're having a business meeting
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The first and last picture are from the party in may for Joe and Kate
It was at an Indian restaurant in L.A
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The first and last picture are from the party in may for Joe and Kate
It was at an Indian restaurant in L.A
Okay - so there was more than one party for Joe and Katherine?
1) One in Las Vegas around the first week of June for Joe and Katherine's 60th wedding anniversary. The whole family was supposed to be there.
2) One in LA at the Indian restaurant for Joe and Katherine's anniversary. The whole family was there?
3) A meeting around May 15th. This was the last time Janet saw Michael. The news said that Michael, Joe, and several others were at this meeting.
So, by this information Joe and several family members were in direct contact with Michael at least 3 times in a month's time yet they say they couldn't reach him?
Now I know why those stories kept confusing me. Their time lines didn't jive.
The reason they could have had the party before instead of after - November Michael would be in London so he organized the party before he was supposed to leave. However, how does a drug user organize an anniversary party for his parents as well as manage the details of an upcoming concert and do such a good job on both? In my humble opinion that doesn't add up.
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Initially Joe says "my birthday"... his birthday is July 26th so that doesnt fit.
Katherines is May 4th. so that fits better in the timeline.
could it have been a birthday party?
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ok refresh me
what was the date of the 02 announcement?
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so the party at the indian restuarant took place hence the pics..
Latoya is the one that got that one right...
Judas=Latoya???
no cant be, I think :?
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I think Janet said in either a tv interview or an article in a magazine iam certain months and months back she said they got together for her own Birthday (Janet's is in May isnt it?)
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How about this. Maybe it was done beacause, Michael ofcourse knew that he was going to hoax his death, and maybe his family also knew. So they decided to do all the celebrations at one occation. (a farwell party)
or they had this party because MJ was going to be in England for the next 6 months, or more.
anyway, i was thinking that it could have been a combinded party. Katherine was born on may 4th, Rebbie may 29th, Jackie May 4th, Latoya May 29th, Janet May 16th. (Joseph july 26 and Marlon march 12) So maybe it was a combined birthday party for all of them, and thats why the confusion.. ? maybe?
or something very far fetched.... Lisa Marie and Michael got married on May 18th 1994. they did divorce on paper, and she did get remarride (and so did MJ).. but still a couse for celebration??
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How about this. Maybe it was done beacause, Michael ofcourse knew that he was going to hoax his death, and maybe his family also knew. So they decided to do all the celebrations at one occation. (a farwell party)
or they had this party because MJ was going to be in England for the next 6 months, or more.
anyway, i was thinking that it could have been a combinded party. Katherine was born on may 4th, Rebbie may 29th, Jackie May 4th, Latoya May 29th, Janet May 16th. (Joseph july 26 and Marlon march 12) So maybe it was a combined birthday party for all of them, and thats why the confusion.. ? maybe?
or something very far fetched.... Lisa Marie and Michael got married on May 18th 1994. they did divorce on paper, and she did get remarride (and so did MJ).. but still a couse for celebration??
I think the combined birthday type thing is definately most likely. I remember back from the Oprah interview in '93 Michael said he didnt see much of his family anymore because everyone is working, doing their own thing, living their life it, that is show business. But usually once a year they try to get together and have some sort of gathering. All the kids and their kids, cousins, etc
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Michael Jackson and his children attended his parent's 60th wedding anniversary celebrations in Las Vegas recently.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 608376.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6608376.ece)
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Michael Jackson and his children attended his parent's 60th wedding anniversary celebrations in Las Vegas recently.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 608376.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6608376.ece)
This stuck out to me: Joe Jackson admitted to the BBC in 2003: "I whipped him with a switch and a belt...I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick."
This is what me and Michael have in common. Im not ashamed to say it because Michael made it possible for me to believe that despite childhood abuse you can move on and be a success. He is my hero.
Can i ask.. what is a "switch"?? Im in the UK and we dont use that word.. what is it? Thanks.
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Initially Joe says "my birthday"... his birthday is July 26th so that doesnt fit.
Katherines is May 4th. so that fits better in the timeline.
could it have been a birthday party?
Kat and rebbie doesnt celebrate birthdays
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ok refresh me
what was the date of the 02 announcement?
march 5th if i recall it right
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The first and last picture are from the party in may for Joe and Kate
It was at an Indian restaurant in L.A
The first and the second photo were taken in the dining area of Chakra Cuisine in Beverly Hills:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/chakra.jpg)
http://www.chakracuisine.com/ (http://www.chakracuisine.com/)
I can't find a photo on their website showing the area where the third photo would have been taken. Can you help me out?
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Michael Jackson and his children attended his parent's 60th wedding anniversary celebrations in Las Vegas recently.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 608376.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6608376.ece)
This stuck out to me: Joe Jackson admitted to the BBC in 2003: "I whipped him with a switch and a belt...I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick."
This is what me and Michael have in common. Im not ashamed to say it because Michael made it possible for me to believe that despite childhood abuse you can move on and be a success. He is my hero.
Can i ask.. what is a "switch"?? Im in the UK and we dont use that word.. what is it? Thanks.
take a stick from a tree
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take a stick from a tree
A tree branch is a "switch"? He hit MJ with a tree branch??
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Michael Jackson and his children attended his parent's 60th wedding anniversary celebrations in Las Vegas recently.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 608376.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6608376.ece)
This stuck out to me: Joe Jackson admitted to the BBC in 2003: "I whipped him with a switch and a belt...I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick."
This is what me and Michael have in common. Im not ashamed to say it because Michael made it possible for me to believe that despite childhood abuse you can move on and be a success. He is my hero.
Can i ask.. what is a "switch"?? Im in the UK and we dont use that word.. what is it? Thanks.
i dont know .. but maybe this " switch (flog with or as if with a flexible rod)"
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In 'The Jacksons, an American Dream', Joe told Marlon to get the switch and he went outside and broke a branch off a tree.
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ok refresh me
what was the date of the 02 announcement?
march 5th if i recall it right
sorry i think i just had a confuse time line in my brain when i asked that question. although maybe the family being together could in some way account for this change of demeaner that this jason guy and the tii people were talking about.remember they said he was more into it the last couple of weeks.
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In 'The Jacksons, an American Dream', Joe told Marlon to get the switch and he went outside and broke a branch off a tree.
yeah so he could whip him for not being as good a dancer as micheal while they all watch. tell me that wouldn't mess with a childs mind!
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In 'The Jacksons, an American Dream', Joe told Marlon to get the switch and he went outside and broke a branch off a tree.
yeah so he could whip him for not being as good a dancer as micheal while they all watch. tell me that wouldn't mess with a childs mind!
Its surprising that none of the others were affected by it, or at least spoke about it. Marlon appears to be one of the most level-headed.
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In 'The Jacksons, an American Dream', Joe told Marlon to get the switch and he went outside and broke a branch off a tree.
Ok. thankyou.
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Joe, on another thread being discussed here , says the last time he saw MJ was at a meeting with AEG , MJ and katherine were there too , it was to discuss the amount of concerts going up to 50 SO WHEN did this meeting take place?????????
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Joe, on another thread being discussed here , says the last time he saw MJ was at a meeting with AEG , MJ and katherine were there too , it was to discuss the amount of concerts going up to 50 SO WHEN did this meeting take place?????????
At what point did MJ say he didn't know he had signed up for 50 shows? Was it before this meeting?
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In 'The Jacksons, an American Dream', Joe told Marlon to get the switch and he went outside and broke a branch off a tree.
yeah so he could whip him for not being as good a dancer as micheal while they all watch. tell me that wouldn't mess with a childs mind!
Its surprising that none of the others were affected by it, or at least spoke about it. Marlon appears to be one of the most level-headed.
i guess it does look that way. but during the dynasty thing i kept thinking for the one who was supposed to cry at the drop of a hat marlon seemed almost giddy.
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take a stick from a tree
A tree branch is a "switch"? He hit MJ with a tree branch??
yes
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Jackie was the one who cried at the drop of a hat and, yes, Marlon was very bubbly on each episode.
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
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take a stick from a tree
A tree branch is a "switch"? He hit MJ with a tree branch??
yes
ok let me clear this up for you folks who are undoutedly too far away from kentucky. a stick has not flexablity. a swich does therefore you get this stinging quality to the spanking. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Joe, on another thread being discussed here , says the last time he saw MJ was at a meeting with AEG , MJ and katherine were there too , it was to discuss the amount of concerts going up to 50 SO WHEN did this meeting take place?????????
oh i read something about that the otehr day.. but i dont remember where...
he said he (Joe) went all crazy about the fact that it changed from 10 to 50 or 15 to 50.. and that katherine and Michael was sitting in a corner and laughing out loud at him. ( it seemed a bit strange to me, but i dont know)..
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
but when was these pictures taken? what date? the real 60th anniversary in november (after MJ-passed) or in May?
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
doesn't look like any of the main players are there exept joe and katherine. i mean i don't any of the other original jackson's as well as micheal's kids. and it looks like it could be grand and great grand .but not micheal's .but the boys in the picture with micheal are wearing same shirts. guess that could be delt with.
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
but when was these pictures taken? what date? teh real 60th anniicersary in november (after MJ-passed) or in May?
That's the $64.000 question... Does anyone remember when they appeared on Austin Brown's myspace?
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
doesn't look like any of the main players are there exept joe and katherine. i mean i don't any of the other original jackson's as well as micheal's kids. and it looks like it could be grand and great grand .but not micheal's .but the boys in the picture with micheal are wearing same shirts. guess that could be delt with.
maybe thats what Joe meant when he said that there were lots of people that he... didn't...(know?) (Liked?)
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Anyone notice in that above picture that Katherine is wearing that same blue suit again?
It really does seem she only wears that one suit.
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Okay, help me out with this one please... Both La Toya and Janet have said that the last time they saw Mike was during the 60th wedding anniversary of their parents which took place in Las Vegas three weeks before Mike's "death".
According to Wikipedia, Joe and Katherine got married on November 5, 1949. (Remember remember the 5th of November?). Why would they have a 60th wedding anniversary in June, while they got married in November? Was that really an "anniversary party", or was it in fact a last get together to discuss everyone's role in the upcoming events?
Here's a video from CNN at the BET Awards in which Joe talks about that anniversary. Start at 3:36.
[youtube:2y8ktcjp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27665VPRmQ[/youtube:2y8ktcjp]
Reporter: There had been talk to us about the 60th...your 60th wedding anniversary as I understand in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. The entire family was there and Michael said that he had wanted the members of it's family to come down.
Joe: Joe: My 60th...my birthday?
Reporter: Your wedding anniversary, you and Katherine, in Las Vegas.
Joe: Joe: Ohh oh oh, that was fantastic, yes it was. A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see. It was a fantastic job that was done. It was the first one though, that was our first wedding anniversary we had, and they came out, fantastic.
"My 60th...my birthday?" "A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see." Ehhhh?? :roll: Say what Joe??
La Toya however said this wedding anniversary took place in Beverly Hills:
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Michael was already at the party with his children when she arrived: ‘He was standing by the door and said, “Oh La Toya, you look fabulous.” He was thin but he ate that night. Michael loves his curries. He enjoyed every minute of it. At the end, he embraced me and said, “We have to do this again.” Then he went to the door, looked back and gave me a wave goodbye. That was the last time I saw my baby brother.’
http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/lato ... -murdered/ (http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/latoya-jackson-speaks-out-michael-was-murdered/)
Okay, confusion all over the place again.
Next to that, we have family members saying it was impossible to get access to Mike, yet the spent time all together three weeks before his "death" during this 'anniversary'. That's contradictory. If they wanted to talk to Mike, this was the ultimate opportunity.
I think this get together was important, and we need to look into it. Please share your thoughts...[/b]
What happened with Londell? Oxman is the attorney representing them now. And Joe, Joe, Joe, that record deal statement was like hold up, breaking news. Had to get it in.
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Maybe it was something like a party of the last time that things are normal and before the hectic and circus starts. And they made it seem as an anniversary so the little Jackson kids and employees etc won't get suspicious. Just a thought :?
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ok to answer my own Question. this picture was taken before july, so therefore before the real 60th anneversary. i say that pecause it was uploaded to this site: http://prince.org/msg/8/314201?&pg=55 (http://prince.org/msg/8/314201?&pg=55) on 07/23/09 1:38pm Reply #1638
in pic: Austin Brown, MJ, Jeremy Jackson, Jourdynn Jackson
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That's the $64.000 question... Does anyone remember when they appeared on Austin Brown's myspace?
i do not know when it appeared but the first comments to this pic were posted on 27th of June 09
there is also a pic with Janet from the same event I guess, and here the comments start on 17th of May 09, so I guess it might have been posted just after the event :?
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/m_bbbae0b71fe5490d8d0549ad0bb9f427.jpg)
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The oldest comment I can find to that picture on http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=16455220 (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=324982678&albumID=1390991&imageID=16455220) is on page 10 and it's from June 27, 2009. It says page 10 shows 91-100 out of 139 comments, but I can't get to page 14.
Well, at least we now know that it was published there before November 5th.
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there is also a pic with Janet from the same event I guess, and here the comments start on 17th of May 09, so I guess it might have been posted just after the event :?
(http://i1009.photobucket.com/albums/af214/moonter/m_bbbae0b71fe5490d8d0549ad0bb9f427.jpg)
Yep, that must be the case, but that's not 3 weeks prior to June 25th...
Was there another get-together in Las Vegas then, 3 weeks before Mike's "death"?
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Ok I found it..it was on
May 14 2009 :
Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hillswith the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
Check this out..amazing http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
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on the 15 may this took place
Beverly Hills, CA, May 15, 2009 — In an official statement issued today The Jacksons (Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Randy Jackson) have denied they were in any way involved with a proposed Jackson 5 reunion concert in Texas on July 3rd claimed this week by New Jersey concert promoters AllGood Entertainment.
According to The Jackson’s manager, Danny O’Donovan, the original members of the Jackson 5, and younger brother, Randy, who later joined Michael and his older brothers performing as The Jacksons, were never approached about participating in the purported Texas concert event with Michael and sister, Janet.
The Jacksons have said they will support Michael in fighting any legal action brought by AllGood Entertainment with regard to the promoter’s claim about a July 3rd concert in Texas Stadium. O’Donovan said “There is absolutely no merit in this claim, and we had no knowledge of any contract with anyone, for a so-called family tour reunion. In fact, The Jacksons were never even approached about it and no offer was ever made to them.”
All of the Jackson brothers are thrilled that Michael is returning to the live stage this summer and are totally in support of his historic 50 concert run at London’s O2 Arena. They eagerly look forward to seeing and enjoying his “This Is It!” concert event.
Source: DANNY O'DONOVAN.
http://www.mjbackstage.be/UKnews.php
on the 22/05/2009 : Marlon, Tito and Dealz in Gary (Indiana)
Marlon and Tito Jackson were on monday may 18th in there hometown, Gary, Indiana. "We are just visiting ... filming some footage to put in the family vault," Marlon said as Tito smiled while taking another nibble of food, in a restaurant.
The brothers, along with their nephew Sigmund "Siggy" Jackson -- Jackie Jackson's son AKA Dealz-- and Gary Mayor Rudy Clay were part of a small group dining in a separate area.
The daylong visit wasn't publicized, but word leaked out when the Jackson brothers began showing up around the city.
The brothers were first spotted at Roosevelt High School. Sherice Grant, an instructor at DancExcel, bumped into Marlon and Tito there. People said the brothers stopped at City Hall and did some filming before heading to Dusties restaurant.
Marlon said the filming here is for a project that he wouldn't elaborate on but he hinted it involved the cable network A&E.
Dealz said this was his first time visiting Gary. "I am really enjoying myself. I am loving the people, visiting different places. I ate a great meal. It is great to visit the city where everything began," he said.
14/05/2009 : The Jackson Family : one hour look by TV
There’s something in the air ! The Jacksons are planning a come back. Few days ago, Jermaine mentionned a «show» project. And, right, now, MJBackstage learned that A&G Network has a Jackson TV serie on the way. It’s working title is, for the moment, «The Jackson Family». It would be a riveting one-hour look at the Jackson 5 musical dynasty. Behind the headlines lies a captivating family, whose non-stop lifestyle has been unwillingly played out before cameras. After 40 years in the business together, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Randy, have sold over 250 million albums worldwide. Today, they allow unprecedented access into their world as they embark on their most personal reunion album and tour. With never before seen footage and interviews with the private family the special captures the intimate details of the Jackson 5 as entertainers, entrepreneurs, brothers, fathers and sons. «The Jackson Family» is produced for A&E Network by Point 7 Entertainment with Jodi Gomes serving as executive producer. Also serving as executive producers are Jermaine Jackson, Jackie Jackson, Tito Jackson and Marlon Jackson. Executive producers for A&E are Robert Sharenow, Scott Lonker and Stephen Harris.
05/05/2009 : Jermaine Jackson visitis orphans in Malaisia
incase anyone wanted to know what they were doing around the time of the photos...
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The Jackson boys are looking nice...thank you Tito. Sorry guys, please continue with the topic :oops:
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just found this
Sunday, May 17, 2009
International superstar Michael Jackson is seen leaving the Beverly Hills Hotel earlier this weekend in California. His children: Blanket, Paris Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson Jr. were seen laving the hotel as well. And it must have been a Jackson family affair of sorts because his father Joe Jackson and mother Katherine Jackson were spotted following closely behind.
The fam visited a doctors office in Beverly Hills and the kids were seen shopping for new toys as MJ looked on. Check out the pics.
http://concreteloop.com/2009/05/candids ... -out-about (http://concreteloop.com/2009/05/candids-the-jackson-family-out-about)
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Thanks Hazzely and Tink.I.Am!
This still leaves us with burnings questions as: Why did they have a 60th wedding anniversary 6 months prior to the actual anniversary? Next to that - Joe and Katherine have been living separate for years, so why a "wedding anniversary"..?
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Thanks Hazzely and Tink.I.Am!
This still leaves us with burnings questions as: Why did they have a 60th wedding anniversary 6 months prior to the actual anniversary? Next to that - Joe and Katherine have been living separate for years, so why a "wedding anniversary"..?
And why an anniversary in first place? JW's don't celibrate anniversary's if I'm right.
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Thanks Hazzely and Tink.I.Am!
This still leaves us with burnings questions as: Why did they have a 60th wedding anniversary 6 months prior to the actual anniversary? Next to that - Joe and Katherine have been living separate for years, so why a "wedding anniversary"..?
Maybe to bring the family together again and honour them :?
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Ok I found it..it was on
May 14 2009 :
Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hillswith the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
Check this out..amazing http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
so why do they say, if the anniversary-party was may 14th, they got together three weeks before June 25th?
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Ok I found it..it was on
May 14 2009 :
Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hillswith the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
Check this out..amazing http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
so why do they say, if the anniversary-party was may 14th, they got together three weeks before June 25th?
Yep, so what took place in Las Vegas 3 weeks before June 25th?
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Maybe it was not the anniversary but no occasion-type meeting and the anniversary came as an excuse to explain of what it was, people started asking so for everybody's sake they have come up with the anniversay. If I recall correctly it was Latoya who said it was anniversary.
Maybe it was supposed to be an "official" story and people like Janet or Joe just forgot what they agreed or it was just only Latoya's idea to call it anniversary :?
That might IMO explain that Joe and Janet cannot get their memories back on right track and it contradicts Latoya's words.
Maybe it was supposed to be the last all family meeting before MJ "departure", maybe both Joe and Janet saw MJ after that but since they all agreed that the meeting was last time they have seen him, it all has gone out of control once they got caught with unexpected questions. I can imagine how difficult it must be to keep such story right.
And still Latoya repeats the last time she saw MJ was 3 weeks before he "passed". :?
What we know is that there was a meeting, a lot of family members were there, it was around Janet's birthday and it was supposed to be the last time they all saw MJ. These are I would call "facts" based on what we can see and hear from some family members.
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Thanks Hazzely and Tink.I.Am!
This still leaves us with burnings questions as: Why did they have a 60th wedding anniversary 6 months prior to the actual anniversary? Next to that - Joe and Katherine have been living separate for years, so why a "wedding anniversary"..?
yes, that is very odd.
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Ok I found it..it was on
May 14 2009 :
Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hillswith the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
Check this out..amazing http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
so why do they say, if the anniversary-party was may 14th, they got together three weeks before June 25th?
Yep, so what took place in Las Vegas 3 weeks before June 25th?
...maybe a last check if everyone knows their "roles" :)
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So wait, were they in Beverly hills at the Indian place or in las Vegas?? These are certainly not the same places.. Or do they mean there were more than 1 events for the wedding anniversary?
Okay, help me out with this one please... Both La Toya and Janet have said that the last time they saw Mike was during the 60th wedding anniversary of their parents which took place in Las Vegas three weeks before Mike's "death".
According to Wikipedia, Joe and Katherine got married on November 5, 1949. (Remember remember the 5th of November?). Why would they have a 60th wedding anniversary in June, while they got married in November? Was that really an "anniversary party", or was it in fact a last get together to discuss everyone's role in the upcoming events?
Here's a video from CNN at the BET Awards in which Joe talks about that anniversary. Start at 3:36.
[youtube:29n84ajs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H27665VPRmQ[/youtube:29n84ajs]
Reporter: There had been talk to us about the 60th...your 60th wedding anniversary as I understand in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago. The entire family was there and Michael said that he had wanted the members of it's family to come down.
Joe: Joe: My 60th...my birthday?
Reporter: Your wedding anniversary, you and Katherine, in Las Vegas.
Joe: Joe: Ohh oh oh, that was fantastic, yes it was. A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see. It was a fantastic job that was done. It was the first one though, that was our first wedding anniversary we had, and they came out, fantastic.
"My 60th...my birthday?" "A lot of people were there and a lot of people I didn't, I, I eh...was glad to see." Ehhhh?? :roll: Say what Joe??
La Toya however said this wedding anniversary took place in Beverly Hills:
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Michael was already at the party with his children when she arrived: ‘He was standing by the door and said, “Oh La Toya, you look fabulous.” He was thin but he ate that night. Michael loves his curries. He enjoyed every minute of it. At the end, he embraced me and said, “We have to do this again.” Then he went to the door, looked back and gave me a wave goodbye. That was the last time I saw my baby brother.’
http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/lato ... -murdered/ (http://hottestgossip.co.za/2009/07/latoya-jackson-speaks-out-michael-was-murdered/)
Okay, confusion all over the place again.
Next to that, we have family members saying it was impossible to get access to Mike, yet the spent time all together three weeks before his "death" during this 'anniversary'. That's contradictory. If they wanted to talk to Mike, this was the ultimate opportunity.
I think this get together was important, and we need to look into it. Please share your thoughts...[/b]
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This photo is not it the same day
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I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling - if this anniversary indeed represents the last supper, then who is the Judas..?
Why this feeling ?,... I'm not scared Mo :?
I know That everything is full of unanswered questions, and more Each time a family member says something all entangled more, Especially When talking Joe, if Joe is Saying That Is Celebrating Their wedding anniversary number 60 and is Known I and Michael's mother are separated, this meeting would be Held for Any Other Purpose. :?:
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Yes Mo sorry all 3 pics were taken the same day.. I got confused with Taj.. Anyway Chakra is their favorite restaurant
Also One thing Michael is wearing the same jacket he is wearing in this is it
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could the family gathering in Las vegas have anything to do with the fact that La Toya lives there? her birthday is on may 29th.. and maybe they had a celibration a week or so later ?
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according to this
According to CNN, Michael was talking about how he all the brothers and sisters and the entire family was in Vegas recently celebrating their 60th Wedding Anniversary. I thought they weren’t together. But apparently they are.
http://bossip.com/126768/ho-sit-down-th ... nt-having/ (http://bossip.com/126768/ho-sit-down-the-white-woman-wants-them-jackson-kids-now-and-joe-and-them-aint-having/)
soo.. i guess we have to find taht CNN intervju-thing... im'on it... :)
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according to this
According to CNN, Michael was talking about how he all the brothers and sisters and the entire family was in Vegas recently celebrating their 60th Wedding Anniversary. I thought they weren’t together. But apparently they are.
http://bossip.com/126768/ho-sit-down-th ... nt-having/ (http://bossip.com/126768/ho-sit-down-the-white-woman-wants-them-jackson-kids-now-and-joe-and-them-aint-having/)
soo.. i guess we have to find taht CNN intervju-thing... im'on it... :)
Thank you! Oh what a mess... Keep digging please, I would very much like to see that interview!
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I just found this and according to Tito the anniversary was 3 weeks before his "death"
The last time he saw Michael, Tito says, was for their parents' 60th anniversary, three weeks before his death. "I told him I loved him, and he told me he loved me more, which is something he always says," Tito says.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0, ... 45,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20294545,00.html)
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I just found this and according to Tito the anniversary was 3 weeks before his "death"
The last time he saw Michael, Tito says, was for their parents' 60th anniversary, three weeks before his death. "I told him I loved him, and he told me he loved me more, which is something he always says," Tito says.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0, ... 45,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20294545,00.html)
so weird... if their parent´s really married on the 5th of November 49, this date is so not fitting...
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i was reading a lot for the firsts months when this hoax began, english is not my language and at that moment my english was even worst! i will try to say this the better i can and i will try to find the articles:
1) the Beverly Hills reunion was in may, days before janet birthday (i think) she say this in an interview, the one that she gave all in white and show that picture of MJ and blanket and say that was the last time he saw him...
2) las vegas reunion was in las vegas, i think i was reading about that but i don´t remember mj being there... and i was reading something of MJ in vegas with the kids at cris angel... :roll:
3) i think that when MJ say to the Allgood person that he will not be there he know that he can´t will be there, like the london speech: this will be my last performances in london, this is it, becasue... :?
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ok now I am totally getting confused because I just found this article and Tito says that the anniversary was held at Chakra
Tito last saw Michael at an anniversary dinner for his parents Katherine and Joe – just three weeks before his death.
The get-together was held at the Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills, one of Michael’s favourite places to eat.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21520331/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/15/tito-jackson-on-hearing-about-brother-michael-jackson-death-115875-21520331/)
So was the anniversary in LA or in Las Vegas or was there two?
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If the marriage was on 5/11/1949, I guess the meeting is another matter, Joe and Tito anniversary speak not to mention the real reason. :?
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i can only find this Joe CNN- intervjue
The BET Awards at the Shrine Auditorium last night were notable for one reason: the attendance of Joseph Jackson, Michael’s father. His son died literally 72 hours earlier. He’ s not even buried yet. But everyone mourns in different ways. Joe Jackson’s decision was to go to an awards show.
He walked the red carpet, did the press room, and gave an interview to CNN in which he plugged a new project. He laughed and joked about his 60th anniversary party in Las Vegas recently — 60 years since he and Katherine were married.
“It was the first anniversary party we ever had,” he said.
That’s probably true. Twice in their marriage Katherine Jackson had divorce papers drawn up but was ultimately convinced not to go through with leaving her husband. One reason for their marital problems: Joseph has an illegitimate daughter, Jovanni, who was only recently acknowledged.
and this with REV. AL SHARPTON http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... sm.02.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/28/sm.02.html)
REV. AL SHARPTON, JACKSON FAMILY FRIEND: They are more concerned about preserving the legacy of Michael and making sure that it is clear that the family's going to continue to try and make sure what Michael lived for and did is what is exulted here.
You know -- one of the misnomers done that people have is that there was some division in the family. Michael was very much a family person, loved his mother and father, loved his brothers and sisters.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR, "NEWSROOM": Yes, you said he was there a couple of weeks ago in Las Vegas for the 60th anniversary for his mom and dad.
SHARPTON: 60th wedding anniversary, Michael was there, all of the grandchildren was there. And Michael have said to the brothers and at the end of this too, I'd like you all to come out and do something with me for the last couple of dates.
I mean, so all of this about the family split-up and all is erroneous.
LEMON: Yes.
SHARPTON: Like any family they their differences from time to time because they are so public, they become public, but they're far exaggerated. And my conversation with them, they wanted to be real clear about their commitment to his image and his legacy. The investigations would take its course like anyone naturally would be. They want to know what happened and why. But they're even more concerned that people remember the Michael Jackson that really changed the world. That's his legacy.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... om.01.html (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0906/30/sitroom.01.html)
MALVEAUX: Sure.
And did Debbie Rowe, she express any concern about that, the fact that, if -- if children are in custody with Katherine Jackson, that they would also have exposure to Joe Jackson, this -- the -- the alleged abuse of Joe Jackson?
FRIEDMAN: She -- she didn't say -- she didn't say anything about that. And -- but I really don't think that is an issue.
They -- the Jacksons have not lived together for years. He lives in Las Vegas, and she lives in Encino. They get together for public outings. He said the other night on TV they recently had their 60th anniversary, and it was the first time they had ever had an anniversary party.
So, I -- I don't think it is an issue that they spend a lot of time together. They just do it in -- in times of public conflict.
so i think one can conclude that the gathering in Vegas vas the anniversary... but then what was happening in beverly hills?
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Michael Jackson and his children attended his parent's 60th wedding anniversary celebrations in Las Vegas recently.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 608376.ece (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6608376.ece)
This stuck out to me: Joe Jackson admitted to the BBC in 2003: "I whipped him with a switch and a belt...I never beat him. You beat someone with a stick."
This is what me and Michael have in common. Im not ashamed to say it because Michael made it possible for me to believe that despite childhood abuse you can move on and be a success. He is my hero.
Can i ask.. what is a "switch"?? Im in the UK and we dont use that word.. what is it? Thanks.
I am in UK yes we do use the word "switch" its a horse riding term, we call it a riding switch, or as now used a riding "whip". ;)
One love :)
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restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills
Michael’s sister La Toya says " Michael's favorite Restaurant is "CHAKRA" Indian Restaurant in Beverly Hills . He along with his family visited "Chakra Restaurant" three weeks earlier to his death. He had great dinner with all his family members and dearest friends in "Chakra".
http://www.latelugu.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=34 (http://www.latelugu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=397:michael-jacksons-favorite-indian-restaurant&catid=19:news&Itemid=34)
La Toya, who had a messy divorce from her controlling former manager, Jack Gordon, 12 years ago, remained childless and became close again to Michael and his growing family, regularly seeing them at her mother’s house on Hayvenhurst Avenue in Encino.
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z0qlpB26E2 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.html#ixzz0qlpB26E2)
May 14 : Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills with the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... gears.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/06/where-grit-hits-gears.html)
Tito last saw Michael at an anniversary dinner for his parents Katherine and Joe – just three weeks before his death.
The get-together was held at the Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills, one of Michael’s favourite places to eat.
Tito said: “The whole family showed up including Michael and his kids.
“He was in great spirits. He looked good. He seemed to be himself and I was not really worried about him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21520331/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/15/tito-jackson-on-hearing-about-brother-michael-jackson-death-115875-21520331/)
OK.. so now i'm thinking this... the 60th anniversary was held in LAs Vegas, but Michawel couldnt be there because he was to busy with "this is it" so therefor he gathered all his family, friends and parents at the restaurant in Beverly Hills. both events were 60th anniversery but they did it twice. ( maybe that explains Joes comment about the lasvegas anniversary being the first one, and being alittle confused about what it was)
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restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills
Michael’s sister La Toya says " Michael's favorite Restaurant is "CHAKRA" Indian Restaurant in Beverly Hills . He along with his family visited "Chakra Restaurant" three weeks earlier to his death. He had great dinner with all his family members and dearest friends in "Chakra".
http://www.latelugu.com/index.php?optio ... &Itemid=34 (http://www.latelugu.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=397:michael-jacksons-favorite-indian-restaurant&catid=19:news&Itemid=34)
La Toya, who had a messy divorce from her controlling former manager, Jack Gordon, 12 years ago, remained childless and became close again to Michael and his growing family, regularly seeing them at her mother’s house on Hayvenhurst Avenue in Encino.
She last saw her brother three weeks before he died. The family held a large dinner to celebrate Katherine and Joe’s 60th wedding anniversary at Michael’s favourite Indian restaurant, Chakra, in Beverly Hills.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... z0qlpB26E2 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1199092/La-Toya-Jackson-Michael-murdered--I-felt-start.html#ixzz0qlpB26E2)
May 14 : Michael, Prince, Paris & Blanket attend Katherine & Joe 60th wedding anniversary at Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills with the whole family (Jackie, Rebbie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet and their children)
http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/20 ... gears.html (http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/06/where-grit-hits-gears.html)
Tito last saw Michael at an anniversary dinner for his parents Katherine and Joe – just three weeks before his death.
The get-together was held at the Indian restaurant Chakra in Beverly Hills, one of Michael’s favourite places to eat.
Tito said: “The whole family showed up including Michael and his kids.
“He was in great spirits. He looked good. He seemed to be himself and I was not really worried about him.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/200 ... -21520331/ (http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/07/15/tito-jackson-on-hearing-about-brother-michael-jackson-death-115875-21520331/)
OK.. so now i'm thinking this... the 60th anniversary was held in LAs Vegas, but Michawel couldnt be there because he was to busy with "this is it" so therefor he gathered all his family, friends and parents at the restaurant in Beverly Hills. both events were 60th anniversery but they did it twice. ( maybe that explains Joes comment about the lasvegas anniversary being the first one, and being alittle confused about what it was)
Thank you Tink.I.Am for digging up all the information!
Since they all said they saw Mike three weeks prior to his "death", they can't mean that meeting in Beverly Hills as that took place on May 14th, 5.5 weeks before June 25th. There must have been another one, after May 14th.
Also, I still have no idea as to why they would have a 60th wedding anniversary if they have been living separated for years...
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^^ you not goin to give up are you? :lol: Boy you're good, my ass gave long time ago :lol:
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Sorry guys, but can we get back to the original topic - Joe and Katherine Jackson’s 60th wedding anniversary? I'd really like to find out why there is mentioning of it taking place in Las Vegas, while 2 out of three pictures show it took place in Beverly Hills.
I'd also like to know why Mike and the kids are not in this pic, while it was taken at the very same restaurant:
(http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7827)
but when was these pictures taken? what date? the real 60th anniversary in november (after MJ-passed) or in May?
This doesn't look like any of the children (Jermaine, LaToya, etc) are in the picture either. Maybe it's just grandchildren? But then why aren't Michael's kids in there. Maybe they had already left the party?
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it appears there is confusion and one hand doesn't know what the other hand is doing ;)
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Actually for the Jackson's the date is not significant. Remember Joe Jackson day is just any day they celebrate for their father as they cannot celebrate his birthday. Maybe they just found a convenient date in the 60th year and celebrated the anniversary.
That also allows them to have more than one celebration in case someone is missing for the first party. Do they mention the party in Dynasty?????
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http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/st ... ts_1108495 (http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/jacksons-planned-family-reunion-for-comeback-concerts_1108495)
Jacksons Planned Family Reunion For Comeback Concerts
MICHAEL JACKSON was planning a family reunion with his famous siblings before taking the stage for his comeback concerts later this month (Jul09), according to his brother JERMAINE.
The King of Pop was rehearsing in Los Angeles for a 50-date run of concerts at London's O2 Arena before he suffered a cardiac arrest and passed away on Thursday (25Jun09).
In the family's first official TV interview since the tragic event, Jermaine Jackson reveals his shock at his brother's sudden death - and he admits Michael had invited the entire family to join him in the U.K. before he took the stage for what was billed as his final curtain call.
Jermaine tells the Today show in the U.S., "We just had a big family day. We just had a big surprise for my mother and father, and he was there with the kids. And he said, 'I'll see you guys in London, it's going to be really exciting...' All the grandkids were there, my mother and father, everyone."
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I think Janet said in either a tv interview or an article in a magazine iam certain months and months back she said they got together for her own Birthday (Janet's is in May isnt it?)
The magazine article was from Harper's Bazaar October 2009 issue. http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/f ... rview-1009 (http://www.harpersbazaar.com/magazine/feature-articles/janet-jackson-interview-1009)
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Thanks Hazzely and Tink.I.Am!
This still leaves us with burnings questions as: Why did they have a 60th wedding anniversary 6 months prior to the actual anniversary? Next to that - Joe and Katherine have been living separate for years, so why a "wedding anniversary"..?
That wasn't a wedding anniversary (at least one of them). The family gathered to talk about the hoax and their roles in the hoax, that's so obvious. And all those 6 6 makes me think about illuminati 666. I'm sure that we can find another 6 related to that "anniversary" meeting.
... and he admits Michael had invited the entire family to join him in the U.K. before he took the stage for what was billed as his final curtain call.
Michael had invited the entire family to join him in the HOAX ...
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If Joe and Katherine were really married in November, it could be they planned the party early at a time when everyone could get together - Michael was headed to tour.
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^ That TII "tour" wasn't really going to happen, remember?
PS, I already knew that my birthday (November 5th) was important in all of this because of "V For Vendetta", but it's ALSO Joe and Kate's anniversary? Whoa!
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A family like many other
May 29th, 2009
On 14 May, the Jackson clan met in an Indian restaurant in Los Angeles to celebrate 60 years of marriage to Katherine and Joe. Most children and grandchildren were there ... including Michael and Janet. A meeting early because the wedding anniversary of the "patriarchs" of the family will be effective in November. The opportunity for everyone to find, despite the turmoil and physical separations.
Indeed, the family remains relatively sparse. Marlon lives in San Diego relatively separated from the remainder of the clan. Janet spends most of his time in New York. Jermaine lives in Encino, not far from the family home where Katherine neighborhoods ... but keeps her distance from Joe who moved in recent years in Las Vegas. The city of casinos that Jackie moreover joined a few months ago where he was also installed. In addition, Jennifer has found her sister Stevanne she had not seen for a long time.
While some will criticize the side "overrated" This meeting and the anniversary of parents who are physically separated from a packet of years, after the many differences of Joe. It is also surprising that Michael wants to see Joe when we think back to the words in the interview with Bashir. Just as it is surprising that the brothers did not want to Michael who continually refuses to attend a reunion of J5.
And yet, this is a meeting that smells good family. The tensions and prevent conflicts clearly not the reunion. And it is not a media stunt more because the media were not invited to the event. Now, maybe we can come together despite some resentment toward family members. For, ultimately, it looks like the Jacksons are a family ... (almost) like any other. Proof: This photo shows that even without the fans are aware, large clan meetings are held!
Jackson Clan Reunion incognito
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Initially Joe says "my birthday"... his birthday is July 26th so that doesnt fit.
Katherines is May 4th. so that fits better in the timeline.
could it have been a birthday party?
Yeah but I thought the Jacksons didn't celebrate birthdays and holidays. This makes no sense. It's definitely a big family gathering for something. Notice MJ doesn't look too happy being around his family in the pic above with him wearing the red shirt.
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Janet said she was having a surprise party for her parents. I don't know where the 60th anniversary thing comes from.
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Michael in so many settings looks sad or very serious. He's had to carry so much weight for so many years, not to mentions carry the weight of his family (and so many others) financially for so many years. He is the goose that lays golden eggs. I agree these events were probably planning for the hoax times. Though Joe and Katherine lived apart, in the grandchildren (greats too) pic, he has his arm around her, and she has always just yielded -- been there for everyone even Joe. They've always been a family that has needed each other. Michael needed them all to become who he became, but now he's the engine that pulls the enormous train.
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MJ looks like he's been photoshopped into that photo.
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The jacksons do celebrate holidays only Rebbie and Miss Kate don't
Miss kate was born in may as well as 4 of her children
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MJ looks like he's been photoshopped into that photo.
AGREE... :roll:
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take a stick from a tree
A tree branch is a "switch"? He hit MJ with a tree branch??
What a sicko that is all i have to say. Sorry but abusers of all sorts i have nothing good to say about them
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well i tried to think and thought i could maybe help but.......
souza or mo...cant remember who started this post :oops:
after reading each post on this..
i have a question for souza and mo and each and everyone that posted on this subject!!!!
most know i have a head injury..and that is ok...
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO MY HEAD!!..IM SO LOST!!.AND SO CONFUSED!!
ORDERS TO FOLLOW PLZ.
.1.STRAIGHT JACKET.2.PADDED CELL.3.MEDICATION OR MEDICATIONS AS NEEDED OR WANTED.4.COFFEE PLZ IN THE MORNINGS..UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DO AND GIVE ALL THE ABOVE AS SEEN NEEDED!!.. :lol: :lol:
I KNEW THIS JOB WAS DANGEROUS WHEN I TOOK IT BUT DAMN IT.. :lol:
i still love you all..
huggs n faith to all
suzz
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Are the two sets of photos supposed to have been taken on the same day? Look at the clothes on Katherine and Michael. They are different
(http://[attachment=2:267uft06]24162_348852663865_799863865_3539485_691729_n.jpg[/attachment:267uft06])
(http://[attachment=0:267uft06]famille.jpg[/attachment:267uft06])
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I am sorry in advance if this was mentioned, Does anyone remember that timeline that someone had posted. It showed the dates and places of where MJ was leading up to June 25th. I am going to search around and see if I cant find it.
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I am sorry in advance if this was mentioned, Does anyone remember that timeline that someone had posted. It showed the dates and places of where MJ was leading up to June 25th. I am going to search around and see if I cant find it.
http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
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I am sorry in advance if this was mentioned, Does anyone remember that timeline that someone had posted. It showed the dates and places of where MJ was leading up to June 25th. I am going to search around and see if I cant find it.
http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/ (http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/)
Thank you, I just now saw the page where you had mentioned it. I think I skipped over that page. :oops:
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Are the two sets of photos supposed to have been taken on the same day? Look at the clothes on Katherine and Michael. They are different
(http://[attachment=2:1bc6zkbk]24162_348852663865_799863865_3539485_691729_n.jpg[/attachment:1bc6zkbk])
(http://[attachment=0:1bc6zkbk]famille.jpg[/attachment:1bc6zkbk])
that frist picture is old, that was taken a few years ago
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well i tried to think and thought i could maybe help but.......
souza or mo...cant remember who started this post :oops:
after reading each post on this..
i have a question for souza and mo and each and everyone that posted on this subject!!!!
most know i have a head injury..and that is ok...
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO MY HEAD!!..IM SO LOST!!.AND SO CONFUSED!!
ORDERS TO FOLLOW PLZ.
.1.STRAIGHT JACKET.2.PADDED CELL.3.MEDICATION OR MEDICATIONS AS NEEDED OR WANTED.4.COFFEE PLZ IN THE MORNINGS..UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DO AND GIVE ALL THE ABOVE AS SEEN NEEDED!!.. :lol: :lol:
I KNEW THIS JOB WAS DANGEROUS WHEN I TOOK IT BUT DAMN IT.. :lol:
i still love you all..
huggs n faith to all
suzz
I think we need to buy you a helmet to protect your head from further damage. We'll pipe in MJ music to help with your headache. :)
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well i tried to think and thought i could maybe help but.......
souza or mo...cant remember who started this post :oops:
after reading each post on this..
i have a question for souza and mo and each and everyone that posted on this subject!!!!
most know i have a head injury..and that is ok...
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE TO MY HEAD!!..IM SO LOST!!.AND SO CONFUSED!!
ORDERS TO FOLLOW PLZ.
.1.STRAIGHT JACKET.2.PADDED CELL.3.MEDICATION OR MEDICATIONS AS NEEDED OR WANTED.4.COFFEE PLZ IN THE MORNINGS..UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE DO AND GIVE ALL THE ABOVE AS SEEN NEEDED!!.. :lol: :lol:
I KNEW THIS JOB WAS DANGEROUS WHEN I TOOK IT BUT DAMN IT.. :lol:
i still love you all..
huggs n faith to all
suzz
I think we need to buy you a helmet to protect your head from further damage. We'll pipe in MJ music to help with your headache. :)
aw voiceforthesilent i thank you!!..yes helmet would be good ;) and a big thank you for the his music..that is a must have!!
huggs n faith to you
suzz
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/tito.jpg)
I last saw Michael at our parents' anniversary two weeks before the tragedy.
So now we can add Tito to the list of relatives who said they last saw Mike at Joe and Katherine's anniversary. Since we already determined that this anniversary took place on May 14th, I'd really like to know which 'tragedy' Tito is referring to that took place around May 28.
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Joe Jackson plans 80th birthday bash
If Joe Jackson’s spate of recent interviews feels like a publicity tour, that might be because it is one. Michael Jackson’s father is ramping up for his big 80th birthday bash scheduled for Aug. 22 in the Chicago suburb of Tinley Park.
He’s throwing the party with his record label partner Marshall Thompson, who wrote on his MySpace page that the singer's father is well-known for his “popular birthday celebrations each year.”
If it seems like a strange way to work through grief, there is this: The celebration will double as a benefit for the new cultural center Jackson plans on building in Gary, Ind.
msnbc.com
updated 7/22/2009 4:38:31 PM ET
“I wanted to give back to the city of Gary,” Jackson said. He added that plans for the cultural center include a large hotel, restaurants, a memorabilia museum, a movie theater, a performing arts theater, and a recording studio.
However, representatives for the office of Gary's mayor, Rudy Clay, weren't aware of the big birthday party/fundraiser plans.
“The Jackson family is still grieving the loss of their son, like we all are,” a spokesman said. “We’re always talking to the family, but there are no announcements to be made about fundraiser or the memorial.”
When it was pointed out that Jackson and Thompson were apparently OK with making announcements, the mayor’s office said they’d have to look into things further.
In the meantime, Jackson is in New York, scouting out locations for future fundraisers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32060738/ns/entertainment-gossip/
Was Joe confused about the question? Maybe he had in mind his 80th birthday and when the guy asked of 60th, he got confused. He was a mass that day for sure.... it was three days or something like that after MJ ''passing''.
Your thoughts?
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That's definitley one to think about - probably the last supper.
That's an interesting thought. We know that this version of The Last Supper hung over Mike's bed at Neverland:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3426343615_dde40f6463.jpg)
Then we have this stained glass masterpiece of Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper painting in the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn:
(http://www.forestlawn.com/Images/Vistas/ContentTheLastSupperWindowMemorialTerrace1.jpg)
This is the original Da Vinci painting:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper.jpg)
Click for a larger version: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... _large.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper_large.jpg)
Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)):
The Last Supper (Italian: Il Cenacolo or L'Ultima Cena) is a 15th century mural painting in Milan created by Leonardo da Vinci for his patron Duke Ludovico Sforza and his duchess Beatrice d'Este. It represents the scene of The Last Supper from the final days of Jesus as narrated in the Gospel of John 13:21, when Jesus announces that one of his Twelve Apostles would betray him.
The painting
The Last Supper measures 450 × 870 centimeters (15 feet × 29 ft) and covers the back wall of the dining hall at the church of Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan, Italy. The theme was a traditional one for refectories, although the room was not a refectory at the time that Leonardo painted it. The main church building had only recently been completed (in 1497), but was remodeled by Bramante, hired by Ludovico Sforza to build a Sforza family mausoleum. The painting was commissioned by Sforza to be the centerpiece of the mausoleum. The lunettes above the main painting, formed by the triple arched ceiling of the refectory, are painted with Sforza coats-of-arms. The opposite wall of the refectory is covered by the Crucifixion fresco by Giovanni Donato da Montorfano, to which Leonardo added figures of the Sforza family in tempera. (These figures have deteriorated in much the same way as has The Last Supper.) Leonardo began work on The Last Supper in 1495 and completed it in 1498—he did not work on the painting continuously. This beginning date is not certain, as "the archives of the convent have been destroyed and our meagre documents date from 1497 when the painting was nearly finished."
The Last Supper specifically portrays the reaction given by each apostle when Jesus said one of them would betray him. All twelve apostles have different reactions to the news, with various degrees of anger and shock. From left to right:
- Bartholomew, James, son of Alphaeus and Andrew form a group of three, all are surprised.
- Judas Iscariot, Peter and John form another group of three. Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow, looking rather withdrawn and taken aback by the sudden revelation of his plan. He is clutching a small bag, perhaps signifying the silver given to him as payment to betray Jesus, or perhaps a reference to his role within the 12 disciples as treasurer.[4] He is the only person to have his elbow on the table. Peter looks angry and is holding a knife pointed away from Christ, perhaps foreshadowing his violent reaction in Gethsemane during Jesus' arrest. The youngest apostle, John, appears to swoon.
- Jesus
- Apostle Thomas, James the Greater and Philip are the next group of three. Thomas is clearly upset; James the Greater looks stunned, with his arms in the air. Meanwhile, Philip appears to be requesting some explanation.
- Matthew, Jude Thaddeus and Simon the Zealot are the final group of three. Both Jude Thaddeus and Matthew are turned toward Simon, perhaps to find out if he has any answer to their initial questions.
In the 19th century, a manuscript (The Notebooks Leonardo Da Vinci pg. 232) was found with their names; before this only Judas, Peter, John and Jesus were positively identified.
In common with other depictions of The Last Supper from this period, Leonardo seats the diners on one side of the table, so that none of them have their backs to the viewer. Most previous depictions excluded Judas by placing him alone on the opposite side of the table from the other eleven disciples and Jesus or placing halos around all the disciples except Judas. Leonardo instead has Judas lean back into shadow. Jesus is predicting that his betrayer will take the bread at the same time he does to Saints Thomas and James to his left, who react in horror as Jesus points with his left hand to a piece of bread before them. Distracted by the conversation between John and Peter, Judas reaches for a different piece of bread not noticing Jesus too stretching out with his right hand towards it. (Matthew 26: 17-46). The angles and lighting draw attention to Jesus, whose head is located at the vanishing point for all perspective lines.
The painting contains several references to the number 3, which represents the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity. The Apostles are seated in groupings of three; there are three windows behind Jesus; and the shape of Jesus' figure resembles a triangle. There may have been other references that have since been lost as the painting deteriorated.
I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling - if this anniversary indeed represents the last supper, then who is the Judas..?[/b]
Ok who are all the people shown in the "last supper" type picture with MJ in it? I see Abe Lincoln..and ELVIS..JFK.. who are all the others? They do appear to be having a business meeting centered around MJ. Could all of these people possibly be important to the hoax? Not exactly involved, but perhaps they provide some inspiration? There has to be a story to that painting.
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May 15:
Michael, Katherine, Joe, Randy Philips, Leonard Rowe and Paul Gongaware had a meeting in Beverly Hilton hotel !!
Paul Gongaware = CO-CEO of AEG
Worked with Michael in Victory tour and BAD tour, and now in TII also
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That's definitley one to think about - probably the last supper.
That's an interesting thought. We know that this version of The Last Supper hung over Mike's bed at Neverland:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3426343615_dde40f6463.jpg)
Then we have this stained glass masterpiece of Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper painting in the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn:
(http://www.forestlawn.com/Images/Vistas/ContentTheLastSupperWindowMemorialTerrace1.jpg)
This is the original Da Vinci painting:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper.jpg)
Click for a larger version: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ ... _large.jpg (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/lastsupper_large.jpg)
Quote from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Supper_(Leonardo_da_Vinci)):
The Last Supper (Italian: Il Cenacolo or L'Ultima Cena) is a 15th century mural painting in Milan created by Leonardo da Vinci for his patron Duke Ludovico Sforza and his duchess Beatrice d'Este. It represents the scene of The Last Supper from the final days of Jesus as narrated in the Gospel of John 13:21, when Jesus announces that one of his Twelve Apostles would betray him.
The painting
The Last Supper measures 450 × 870 centimeters (15 feet × 29 ft) and covers the back wall of the dining hall at the church of Santa Maria delle Grazie in Milan, Italy. The theme was a traditional one for refectories, although the room was not a refectory at the time that Leonardo painted it. The main church building had only recently been completed (in 1497), but was remodeled by Bramante, hired by Ludovico Sforza to build a Sforza family mausoleum. The painting was commissioned by Sforza to be the centerpiece of the mausoleum. The lunettes above the main painting, formed by the triple arched ceiling of the refectory, are painted with Sforza coats-of-arms. The opposite wall of the refectory is covered by the Crucifixion fresco by Giovanni Donato da Montorfano, to which Leonardo added figures of the Sforza family in tempera. (These figures have deteriorated in much the same way as has The Last Supper.) Leonardo began work on The Last Supper in 1495 and completed it in 1498—he did not work on the painting continuously. This beginning date is not certain, as "the archives of the convent have been destroyed and our meagre documents date from 1497 when the painting was nearly finished."
The Last Supper specifically portrays the reaction given by each apostle when Jesus said one of them would betray him. All twelve apostles have different reactions to the news, with various degrees of anger and shock. From left to right:
- Bartholomew, James, son of Alphaeus and Andrew form a group of three, all are surprised.
- Judas Iscariot, Peter and John form another group of three. Judas is wearing green and blue and is in shadow, looking rather withdrawn and taken aback by the sudden revelation of his plan. He is clutching a small bag, perhaps signifying the silver given to him as payment to betray Jesus, or perhaps a reference to his role within the 12 disciples as treasurer.[4] He is the only person to have his elbow on the table. Peter looks angry and is holding a knife pointed away from Christ, perhaps foreshadowing his violent reaction in Gethsemane during Jesus' arrest. The youngest apostle, John, appears to swoon.
- Jesus
- Apostle Thomas, James the Greater and Philip are the next group of three. Thomas is clearly upset; James the Greater looks stunned, with his arms in the air. Meanwhile, Philip appears to be requesting some explanation.
- Matthew, Jude Thaddeus and Simon the Zealot are the final group of three. Both Jude Thaddeus and Matthew are turned toward Simon, perhaps to find out if he has any answer to their initial questions.
In the 19th century, a manuscript (The Notebooks Leonardo Da Vinci pg. 232) was found with their names; before this only Judas, Peter, John and Jesus were positively identified.
In common with other depictions of The Last Supper from this period, Leonardo seats the diners on one side of the table, so that none of them have their backs to the viewer. Most previous depictions excluded Judas by placing him alone on the opposite side of the table from the other eleven disciples and Jesus or placing halos around all the disciples except Judas. Leonardo instead has Judas lean back into shadow. Jesus is predicting that his betrayer will take the bread at the same time he does to Saints Thomas and James to his left, who react in horror as Jesus points with his left hand to a piece of bread before them. Distracted by the conversation between John and Peter, Judas reaches for a different piece of bread not noticing Jesus too stretching out with his right hand towards it. (Matthew 26: 17-46). The angles and lighting draw attention to Jesus, whose head is located at the vanishing point for all perspective lines.
The painting contains several references to the number 3, which represents the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity. The Apostles are seated in groupings of three; there are three windows behind Jesus; and the shape of Jesus' figure resembles a triangle. There may have been other references that have since been lost as the painting deteriorated.
I can't help but get an uncomfortable feeling - if this anniversary indeed represents the last supper, then who is the Judas..?[/b]
Ok who are all the people shown in the "last supper" type picture with MJ in it? I see Abe Lincoln..and ELVIS..JFK.. who are all the others? They do appear to be having a business meeting centered around MJ. Could all of these people possibly be important to the hoax? Not exactly involved, but perhaps they provide some inspiration? There has to be a story to that painting.
I can see Albert Einstein, Charlie Chaplin
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That's definitley one to think about - probably the last supper.
That's an interesting thought. We know that this version of The Last Supper hung over Mike's bed at Neverland:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/3426343615_dde40f6463.jpg)
Ok who are all the people shown in the "last supper" type picture with MJ in it? I see Abe Lincoln..and ELVIS..JFK.. who are all the others? They do appear to be having a business meeting centered around MJ. Could all of these people possibly be important to the hoax? Not exactly involved, but perhaps they provide some inspiration? There has to be a story to that painting.
I can see Albert Einstein, Charlie Chaplin
(http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/michaeljacksonlastsupper.jpg)