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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 28, 2012, 11:39:13 AM »

@ Bindupbrokenheart: Your posts were excellent.   /bravo/
Ron Wyatt is very controversial among the mainstream of Christianity.  There's some good and some bad so everyone please take him with a grain of salt, and don't be deceived.
I posted this earlier on the other site so will copy it here:

Just wanted to check in and let you know TS I saw the redirect.    :

My father passed away 1-16-2012 so I have been busy elsewhere making arrangements and will get back to studying & re-reading your post later. Right now I have a lot to handle. 
I love you TS; you know that.  That will never change, but I think you already know on this we will just need to agree to disagree on the Michael the Archangel / Jesus thing.  I understand where you are coming from, and why you would believe that with the whole Angel of the Lord thing which confuses a lot of people, but I believe as does most mainstream Christianity that the Bible supports & identifies them as two separate entities. 

I wish you well and will be back later.   

Love to all 

 bearhug

PS:
I Just watched this today after my original post. I think it's relevant... WOW.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eucVQtdvQQ[/youtube]

bearhug

MsTrinity, I am praying for you.  I am sorry about your father's passing.  May God keep you and bless you during this time.






To everyone: I have some serious personal things (not directly related to the forum) going on so I might not be on the forums much.  I apologize if I was previously on edge (I didn't realize how these things were affecting me) and I apologize to anyone if anyone was hurt (I don't mean to hurt anyone).  But...God is so Good...No matter how I was acting, God may have offered a breakthrough for something I have been praying for for a long, looong time, so pray for me and those God knows are involved with this.

Yeah, Jesus!  Luke 4:18

God bless you all here: Numbers 6:24

The Lord bless you, and keep you;
The Lord make His face shine on you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His countenance upon you,
And give you peace

Sorry if this is off topic, back to topic.  I absolutely agree with MsTrinity about the Archangel Michael not being Jesus and about how to take info on the AoC. 

I do love you all; hopefully I will be back soon.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 28, 2012, 11:26:03 AM »

I know people are going to disagree with me here, but that's okay:

Colossians 2:16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Therefore, as Christians we are not to judge others based on Sabbath keeping according to Paul.

John MacArthur has a good study on this:

But there are three other things that Paul attacks in the heresy of the Essenes that had infiltrated Colossae. The next one is legalism. They not only had said to these Colossian Christians "you are not going to cut it because you don't know human philosophy. There are things that you haven't yet learned." But they said secondly, "You must commit yourself to the religion of human achievement. It is Christ plus works, righteousness." Notice verse 16, and here is Paul's answer to this kind of intimidation, and here the rather Jewish aspect of the Colossian heresy stands out. "Let no man Therefore judge you in," literally, "eating or drinking or in respect to the festival," or feast day, "or of the new moon or of the Sabbath day."

Now stop there. Paul says to these Colossians Christians "look, these people are trying to intimidate you with legalism. They are trying to judge you on what you eat, what you drink, whether or not you attend Passover, Pentecost, Feast of Tabernacles, Feast of Lights. Whether you make you sacrifice on the first day of the month, which is new moon, and whether you prescribe to all the laws and rules and rituals of the Sabbath day." They are saying, it isn't enough to know Christ, you have to know Christ and keep the Jewish law, and I would add there was even some Greek stuff mixed into this. There was even some pagan ritual no doubt mixed into it, so that it became very confusing. But the whole point here is, salvation and spirituality is based on Christ plus keeping certain rituals, legalism.

Now legalism is simply subscribing your spirituality to man‑made rules. That's legalism. Defining your spirituality by your ability to keep man‑made rules. Obeying God's rules is obedience, not legalism. But subscribing and defining your spirituality by your submission to man‑made rules is legalism, or to those rules which God has made and set aside in this age, and they become therefore man‑made for now.

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It is similar to eating of pork too.  If we were to keep the whole law then that would be forbidden, but as Christ told Peter: Acts 10:13-15 things that were unclean are now made clean through Christ.  We are saved through Christ's righteousness not our own works.

I just know I am saved by FAITH, not works.  Would I love to keep the Saturday Sabbath and not work?  Absolutely.  But honestly, I can't for my job (which is where God Himself put me).  But...I am saved by FAITH not works.  So I won't be condemned for it.  Would God love for me to keep the Sabbath: absolutely.  But He knows I live in a WICKED world and getting my work done for HIM is more important right now.  Also, I need to do it all in love for humankind and love for God which go hand in hand.

Also, I am not saying that people should break the commandments: lie, steal, cheat.  That is breaking the second most important commandment according to Jesus, which are to 2. love humans as yourself (or more than yourself).  The first one being 1. to love God.  See Matthew 22: 37-39

Now, I don't judge anyone based on not keeping the Sabbath because Christ is their judge, not me.  The bottom line is this: we are saved through our Savior Jesus Christ as He is the only One who fulfilled the Law and thus died as a Sacrifice for us.

Also, the mark of the beast, as Revelation 13 is described as a "mark in the right hand or in the forehead' in the KJV.  Revelation 13:16-18.  Also, it is intimately involved with financial matters.  (Revelation 13:17).  Many Christians, including myself, think this MoB having to do with some sort of electronic mind control (truth is stranger and more disturbing than fiction for sure) as well as a tracking and financial device (maybe a microchip???).  I don't understand how keeping the Saturday Sabbath can even remotely be involved with finances? 

Anyways, I know people will disagree with me here, and that's okay.  We should continue to discuss this in LOVE.   bearhug

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 24, 2012, 08:03:42 AM »

To quote TS:

By now you’ve probably learned not to trust what the media tells you about the Ark of the Covenant. In fact, don’t trust what anybody tells you about it! You can and should be open to evidence, which will help you distinguish the true from the false; but don’t trust the source of the evidence, trust only in the evidence itself. “The truth will prevail!” For those who are not prejudice, and are willing to examine the evidence carefully, the true Ark will stand out in striking contrast to any and all fake arks. In fact, did you know that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark? Did you know that seven will be God’s most important number in the final battle between good and evil?

Anyways, I am taking a break from the forums for a bit...hopefully I will be back soon

 bearhug all

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 08:28:33 PM »

To be honest, I am not sure where all this is going (TIAI).

The more I research Ron Wyatt, the less evidence I see regarding his claims.  I know the AoC is important (especially for the EOW) but where is this all going?

IDK: I guess I need to take a break for a while.  And pray and study some more on this.  Will be back later when I have had a break.

Love and peace.   bearhug

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 07:14:26 PM »

This is a strange video if you ask me:

[YOUTUBE]YtVSPfBTUJs[/YOUTUBE]

Also, a very astute commenter on youtube said to see at 0:50 seconds in.

I am still not sure about this guy, Ron Wyatt.  Something seems off about him.

Yes, very off. He is a fraudster. Just google him everyone. Even religious organisations have rejected his claims (of which there are more, one being the "discovery" of where the Red Sea parted). As bindup said, if what he said was true, all Christianity would be touting the find and even Answers in Genesis have rebutted him. He has no blood test results (there are none no matter how hard I looked), no empirical evidence, no collaboration, no video or photos- no evidence at all apart from his personal testimony.

I've worked with mentally ill people and they are VERY sincere in many of their wild beliefs, to the point where you sometimes have to wonder if they are right and you are wrong...until the evidence shows up. Case in point, the ill person was sure their 8yr old was being abused at home while she was in care and was very distressed. The person was extremely convincing until the evidence showed up as an adult child of 26 yrs...

Claims without evidence should be dismissed until evidence is forthcoming or people may as well believe any wild assertion, like the orbiting teapot:

"Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of skeptics to disprove received dogmas rather than that of dogmatists to prove them. This, of course, is a mistake.

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars, there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an ellipitical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add the the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But, if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.

If, however the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books and taught as sacred truth every Sunday, hesitation to believe in it's existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychatrist in an enlightened age or of the inquisitor in an earlier time" Bertrand Russell

That's a lot of judgement about someone you only 'googled' and never met. Do you know what slander I find if I google MJ? Does that mean that everything on the internet about MJ is truth? Hell no! So if I were you, I would not jump to conclusions only by 'googling'. This man appears very sincere and if there is one thing I learned in the past 3 years, it is that truth is ALWAYS ignored or ridiculed. Just look at how the media and the non-believers treat us hoaxers.

 WTF?? is wrong with people lately? So much hate and judgement and assumptions towards people they never even met. It's actually pretty disgusting in my opinion.

Hi Souza,

You're right.  I shouldn't have said that 'he seems off' but 'that his message seems off'.  That is what I meant.  So I apologize. 

I am all for hearing his evidence.  But I haven't seen any yet. 

I try to judge no one, as only God is omniscient, therefore, it is not my job to judge anyone, especially to people I don't know.  I know I fall short of God's law everyday.  Forgive me.  I am forgiven, not perfect.

I apologize if I seemed to be attacking RW.  I am just very skeptical of his message and claims, that's all.  I really, really don't mean to attack anyone, so I apologize if I seemed like I was.

It is hard this day in age to figure out what is a character assassination, what is real info, and what is lies.  Hopefully I didn't come off as being mean to RW.  I care deeply about all people.

But I also want the truth too.  bearhug

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 04:46:15 PM »

This is a strange video if you ask me:

[YOUTUBE]YtVSPfBTUJs[/YOUTUBE]

Also, a very astute commenter on youtube said to see at 0:50 seconds in.

I am still not sure about this guy, Ron Wyatt.  Something seems off about him.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 03:38:51 PM »

Just wanted to offer something here:

Some of us did not become Christians because of TS.  I became a Christian over 10 years ago.  And I was an agnostic before that, not raised in the church.  I studied the Bible myself as an adult and came to my own conclusions about it.  I was not, nor ever was brainwashed into anything, and I don't like most churches in this country nor in the world, as I do think they participate in MK Ultra and other horrible things.  This doesn't mean ALL Christians are bad.  Just that the 'churches' are corrupt.  Which is nothing new.  This has been happening since Jesus' time.

Even though I kind of wish TS would post to talk more about his post yesterday, my FAITH in God is not shaken over this.  TS is a man (I assume).  God is God.  My faith in God stands firm, no matter what TS does or does not do.  My faith does not depend on TS because it never did the past 10 years (which is WAY before TS ever posted on this forum).

I do respect ALL opinions here.  But I am not 'mind controlled' by TS or anything.  My thought on the EOW comes from the Bible, not TS.

Love and peace to everyone here!

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 11:13:08 AM »

I said as well that Mr. Wyatt had an agenda to prove.

Andrea, I respect what you believe.

Right, MissG, now I am wondering why TS would make this post?

You know, this post differs from his usual posts.  Especially regarding 1. evidence (good evidence versus bad): his other posts always had good evidence to support views; 2. looking at all possibilities (it seems like this post only looked at one side and took that side as Gospel truth); and 3. making some strange conclusions and using for a source what most Christians believe as tabloid (WND): I will probably write more on this later. 

Anyways, something to ponder.  I still wonder if TS isn't testing us to see if we will go against him or not since there have been complaints that some blindly follow him and maybe this is to prove a point: that we CAN do our own investigation.  At the same time, we can investigate the real ark versus fake ones...

Just a thought.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 11:00:32 AM »

The more information I pull up on RW, the more I am starting to believe he was a fake/fraudster and was interested in $$$$. 

Okay, here are some sites with a few selected quotes

First, the supposed background of Mr. Wyatt:

One of the articles about Ron Wyatt which was faxed to me came from Christian Information Ministries International, whose editor is Bill Crouse. He did some investigation of Ron Wyatt and his organization and discovered some of Wyatt's information about himself in a brochure his Christian booking agency produced for him was untruthful. Bill Crouse spoke with Jeff Roberts and Associates, about the false information in the brochure they used in booking Wyatt into churches. (Yes, many Christian celebrities use booking agencies to get speaking engagements in churches) Quoting from the Ararat Report of May-June 1988 from Christian Information Ministries, it says, "It lists Ron as graduating from the University of Michigan with honors in Pre-med and as having finished all the requirements for both M.A. and Ph.D. in antiquities. It also lists him as being a Korean war veteran." Christian Information Ministries when checking this out found none of the above to be true. According to Bill Crouse, when Ron Wyatt's booking agency Jeff Roberts and Associates, located in Hendersonville, Tennessee, was questioned about the discrepancies in the brochure, they admitted the brochure needed to be re-written, but they did not know who was to blame for the inaccuracies.

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More evidence of fraud:

This last visit to Israel by Mrs. Mary Nell Wyatt and her new husband was supposed to uncover the cave that contained the Ark of the Covenant that was covered with the very blood of Jesus Christ. They got permission from the Israeli Antiquities Department to do some excavating near Zedekiah’s cave which is where Ron Wyatt said the entrance to the tunnel to the Ark of the Covenant was years ago. You, reader, might wonder, if Wyatt Archaeological Research is a bogus operation, why would the Israeli Antiquities Department grant Mrs. Mary Nell Wyatt and company a license to dig? That’s a good question. I asked my source in Israel who used to be a curator at the Israeli Department of Antiquities. He said “MONEY!”

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Regarding those who excavated with RW and what they had to say:

Our team proceeded to the Garden Tomb, whose custodians were expecting our arrival. Wyatt had negotiated cordially and successfully with them. With an assortment of gardening tools we set to work, moving a large pile of rubble and rock which had accumulated where Wyatt had probed earlier.  Over several days we were able to excavate our way down into the same cave system that Wyatt had explored two years before. I'm sorry to report that in the end we came up empty-handed. The connecting channel through which Wyatt had claimed to see the furniture was not there. On the final day of excavation, when we could not see the internal cavern landmarks that Wyatt had predicted, Ron himself finally climbed down into the dim space. After a long time he emerged, looking confused. As we waited respectfully to hear his report, he mumbled a few words like: "It's not the same; it's changed. It's not the way I remember it." There was no opening to be seen, giving a view into an adjacent cavern. There was nothing. In the process of our digging we had come up with a few interesting little objects from Roman times, but they were irrelevant to our main goal.

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Regarding how some 'evidence' that Ron Wyatt found:

One of the individuals who I interviewed, who lost approximately 30,000 thousand dollars to Ron Wyatt, went to Israel with him, supposedly to see some of these sights and record them on film. An assignment editor of a major television station in Nasheville went with them. Not only did this individual not see any of these incredible discoveries, but his wife was told by one of Ron Wyatt's sons that the chariot wheels that Ron supposedly discovered in the Gulf of Aqaba were planted there by Ron. Mr. Wyatt gave this couple some coins which he supposedly found at the Ark of the Covenant site. Again, one of Wyatt's sons informed the wife that Wyatt bought those coins. Gentle, soft-spoken Ron verbally abused an Arab car rental agent when the agent told Mr. Wyatt that his son was to young to drive the vehicle.

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Regarding maybe some motives from RW:

Perhaps more incredible to me than the fact this con could go on as long as it has, is the response of many Christian leaders to this perpetration. I think the most honest response I got in this whole investigation came from a non-believer from a television studio. He said, "I became involved for the money." Thank you, non-Christian for a little honesty.

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Anyone familiar with Answers in Genesis (I don't always like what they say/print and I am not going into that here): but even they don't believe RW's discoveries: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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There are more where that comes from.


Either he is a fraud or has been severely character assassinated, even by mainstream Christian Creationists, who would gladly have evidence that the Creation story is true.  So, the reader is left to decide for his or herself what is true and what is tabloid trash.

As far as me, I don't deny that I believe in the literal Biblical creation, JMO.  And, I would love to have discoveries like these come to the limelight.  But...it has to be good evidence, not fake, fraud, or only interested in one thing  $$$

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Also, WND is known around the Christian circles as a tabloid-like newspaper for Christians.  I may write more on this later.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 22, 2012, 10:20:50 AM »

We can not know the world will end or not. Maybe it will, maybe not.

I agree

the world will end. the term world does not refer to earth such as what you see in the movie 2012
it will not be like this



or this



or this


 

Hey Aussie, I have some questions if you don't mind.  I am just trying to understand your post/perspective and maybe I would like to offer another perspective compared to the perspective you posted (if that's okay).  I am NOT trying to change your beliefs or anything.  Just 1. trying to understand what you believe and 2. offering other perspectives without trying to force what I believe on anyone, as that is their right at the end of the day.  If you want, you can answer via PM if you don't feel comfortable answering on the thread. 

The Bible says that the elements WILL pass away, which includes the Earth:

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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Also, Revelation says there will be a new heaven and new Earth:

Rev 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

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So do you not believe that there will not be a new heaven and new earth after the old has passed away?

How do you view Rev 21:1 then?

the reason i say this is because the bible says that Ecc 1:4 says, One generation passes away, and another generation comes: but the earth stays for ever. american king james version

Another viewpoint for this verse can be the following.  I studied what this word 'forever' was in Hebrew and found this.  It is the Hebrew word olam (translated 'forever') the way I am studying it:

The Hebrew word olam basically means “age-lasting.” It is employed to describe the duration of the Passover, and the Levitical priesthood (Exodus 12:14; Numbers 25:13), both of which lasted only as long as the Mosaic economy. These references should be entered in the margin of your Bible in connection with Ecclesiastes 1:4 and Psalm 78:69.

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I do believe that the present heaven and earth will pass away like that passage in Rev and 2 Peter say it will.  Ecclesiastes has always been told regarding mankind's perspective and vanity that things will keep continuing as they are and not God's point of view IMHO. 

the end of the world as foretold in the bible, is not the literal earth or world. the world refers to the system. merchants (evil large corporations) religion and politics - as per various readings in the book of revelation. see the revelation thread for more info on the other forum. 

I agree.  Babylon will fall (Revelation 18 2) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  and there will be peace in the new Millenium You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Revelation 20:2-7

King James Version (KJV)

 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

this same world is the one jesus spoke of in john 17:14-16 14 "I have given your word to them, but the 'world' has hated them, because they are no part of the 'world', just as I am no part of the 'world'. I request you, not to take them out of the 'world', but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They are no part of the 'world', just as I am no part of the 'world'.

the world spoken of here is the wicked system not the earth. this is the 'world' that is spoken of in terms of EOW. i personally am not judging, but just relaying that the bible indicates that EOW is a good thing for god fearing christians who are no part of this world, and it is not something to be feared.

the bible indicates that EOW is when this evil system (or 'the world') loses its power and is aboloished and then replaced with gods righteous rule. the same government you pray for in the lords prayer (gods will)

I agree.  The world is wicked: we are not to love it.

As Paul said:

1 Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.
2 For you yourselves know quite well that the Lord's day is coming exactly as a thief in the night.
3 Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security! then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them just as the pang of distress upon a pregnant woman; and they will by no means escape.
4 But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that that day should come upon you as it would thieves (who operate under a cloak of darkness),

gods day comes as a thief in the night to those in the darkness. But to those in the light it does not come as a thief in the night, it comes in the day, so they can see it coming. It does not come upon them as the day comes upon thieves, because they do not operate under the cover of darkness, they have nothing to hide. So those who walk in the light plainly see this day coming.

This is 1 Thess 4? 

Many Christians including myself believe this passage to be speaking of the Rapture.  Many Christians don't believe the Rapture, so since it is so controversial, I will not explain much.  There are many views, and if interested PM me or google it.  Or we can discuss on other religious forum.

therefore we can see that EOW is a joyous event that will change the way this world works - for the better!

now regarding 2012 and EOW.... well who knows. not even jesus. only god. as per matthew 24:36 Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.

also Mark 13:33 says Keep looking, keep awake, for you do not know when the appointed time is.

including jesus, no creation had yet been granted a knowledge of the day or the hour. therefore NO ONE should be pointing to 2012 as the time of the end as we simply don't know when it will happen. but be assured, it will happen when no one expects it to. when people are getting on with their lives and oblivious.

at armageddon god does quite a few very important things and the timing of these things is a confidential matter of his.

let us rejoice and be overjoyed and let us give him the glory because the marriage of the lamb has arrived and his wife has prepared herself.... 

happy are those invited to the evening meal of the lambs marriage (Revelation 19).

members of the new covenant are these happy ones, the evening meal of the lamb's marriage is the coronation of the kings in the kingdom of God, on the last day of this system. so again, EOW not something to be feared.

another interesting thing to consider is when paul said:  Whenever it is that they are saying: Peace and security! then sudden destruction is to be instantly upon them

this denotes that the world will not be expecting it because they are in a peaceful state. people looking out for the date wont expect it. it will happen at a time when things look stable. peaceful. secure. and government will even go to lengths to say "look what we have achieved. global peace... look 'peace and security' has been achieved"

once this call for peace is made, the rest will follow...

The prophecy below will finally take place in its major fulfillment. When you read "king" and "kingdom" below, in your head substitute the modern word "government" in it's place:
 
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite. . . (Daniel 2:44)
 
This is when true peace and security will be on earth. All man made governments including the USA, Germany, Italy, Israel, etc... will all be destroyed by God's kingdom, and then god's government will be sole ruler over the earth.
 
Think of Jesus' model prayer in relation to the above:
 
Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. (Matthew 6:9)
 
Yes God's name will be sanctified, held on high... by means of his Son Jesus
 
Jesus told us to pray for god's will to be done on earth, that is our home, and where we will live forever in paradise, with no more hunger, strife, crime, sickness or death! Just like the garden of eden would have been. as per revelation 21:4 "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” English standard version. 

I think we agree   See, we agree on a lot!   :

@ NON bible readers / NON god believers. please dont take offnce at this post. i know and respect you dont believe. i do respect all the non god believers very much, i can assure you of that. i am only relaying what is in the bible but understand that not all necessarily believe which is completely ones right and perogative. i am simply posting this for the GOD believers / bible readers who are coming across in this thread as 'fearful,' in an attempt to show them some supporting scriptures around EOW.


@ ANNA - you do realise that everything that has been posted are things that are written in the bible. not being rude, being genuine. the authorities are going to be puzzled at why you are making a complaint about religious informaiton being posted on a religious forum - and will more than likely say "please take it up with the big man" because the things that are being posted here are inspired by (though sometimes misinterpreted) what is writen for all to see in the bible.


@ THOSE CONCERNED WHERE THIS IS HEADING - view it as simple enlightenment and a drawing of attention to what the bible has already prohecied. its all there. its nothing new. its simply drawing attention to things that many dont pay attention to because we are busy with life, yet are very important for those who want to be identified as true christians and achieve salvation...

now unless TS is plainly outlining forming a cult and gets into talks of accention via mass suiside, el' heavens gate (religo cult) or jonestown massacre style, then there really isnt anything to worry about. worry more about what we are doing daily to be on the right side on gods day

(that last bit was for the god believers )
   
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 bearhug

And if you want we can further this discussion on the other board or via PM, as I would rather discuss religious topics on the other forum.

With love and peace.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 21, 2012, 06:51:50 PM »

Since I am an eternal skeptic, this quote raised in me these questions:

1. How do they know it is blood from Jesus? It could be anythings blood if it even is blood.

2. On what basis do they assume 1 chromosome is from God? How do you verify this is so and doesn't the father contribute half of the chromosmes therefore if this was the case there should be 12 Y chromosomes?

3. Human DNA has 46 chromosomes (23 from mother and 23 from father) or 47 if Down syndrome. How can a substance only showing 24 chromosomes be considered human?

Item of interest: VITACEAE: family of flowering plants including the GRAPEVINE. Most species have 38 chromosomes but CISSUS has 24. Maybe what appears to be blood was simply spilt wine!

4. To confirm the identity of an individual by their DNA you need to be able to compare that sample with one from either the mother, the father or the individual themselves. This is the purpose of 'cheek cell sampling' when trying to determine a murderers identity from a given sample of people. Since we have none of those in regards to this sample conclusions as to it's origin should be made with caution imo.

5. When would Jesus have been able to come into contact with the mercy seat of the true ark?

You bring up some good points and questions Heartsong!  At this point, RW's story and claims seem like they have a lot of holes, but I am still open to researching all possibilities.  But...yes, you raised a lot of good questions.  It is good to be skeptical and so am I.

I think RW claimed that number 5 was due to a crack and blood falling in that crack.  On the link Andrea provided:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  Not saying I believe this right now, just saying that is what RW claimed.

Love.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 21, 2012, 06:37:01 PM »

About the 2000+ year old blood, I found this (based on Ron Wyatt's explanation).

Mr. Wyatt removed a sample of Christ's blood from the Mercy Seat of the Ark in the cave and paid a lab in Israel to do an analysis of the blood.  They put the dark dried-out substance in saline solution for 72 hours, then added a growth medium to the blood for 48 hours.  Mr. Wyatt asked them to do a chromosome test, but they informed him that he was wasting his money since you can't do a chromosome test on dead white blood cells.  They proceeded with the analysis and said, "It's your money."  As they began viewing the cells under the microscope, they saw cells dividing before their eyes!  They could tell it was human blood, but "This blood is alive!"  They couldn't believe what they were seeing!    They continued with their tests and found the blood to be unique from any other human blood!  Each cell contained only 24 chromosomes compared to the normal count of 46 that you and I have.  Christ received 23 chromosomes from Mary, and one "y" chromosome from His heavenly Father to designate a male child.  Others in the lab were asked to come see for themselves.  With tears in their eyes they asked, "Whose blood is this?"  Mr. Wyatt replied, "It is the blood of your Messiah."  Then they asked who the Messiah was, and they began wailing and shouting.  No other male human being has ever had this same chromosome count!  Christ's blood is alive and unique to prove His divinity to the world before He returns to this earth.  When these tests are repeated for all the world to see, everyone will learn that Jesus was more than a preacher, He was and is the Son of God!

From : You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login - you have to scroll just over half way down to find that particular paragraph. 

Hey Andrea!

Thanks for the link!

But...they still don't provide evidence.  Where is the karyotyping?  Where are the photomicrographs (pics of cells under microscope)?  If they found what they found, they should have this evidence.  Or they do have this evidence and don't show it for some reason (bias?  fear of repercussions? Conspiracy?)?  However, one thing is for sure, regardless of any topic, any conspiracy, making conclusions without evidence would never fly in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

I am open to all possibilities, just skeptical and need better evidence than what I have found thus far...

With peace and love.

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TIAI & TS Discussions / Re: TS/T.I.A.I discussion

« on: January 21, 2012, 06:27:57 PM »

yes, I have also learned to 'let it simmer' before making any rash 'judgements' or decisions...not only with TS' posts but with everything in life.

^^^This! 

This is one thing I have learned too during my time here.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 21, 2012, 05:55:28 PM »

Jermaine doesn't know shit. He just knows about the hoax. And for sure he has no idea about anything else. If Michael is not here then no one from the family reads this forum.


I thought again, I will not further this to the family, as they ignore most of the things, and if they do TS will say "The family didn't speak against me so this means they support me and the message I spread".


But I will further this to the authorities.

Okay, and you are going to tell them what exactly? That a Bible study was posted on a forum about RELIGION? I rather would have had it on here to be honest, but maybe TS is trying to avoid people like you by posting it there. Good luck Anna, and I will help you a hand with leaving, since you are one of the few I addressed in one of my recent posts. Your first comment in this thread is: I am not going to comment. What went wrong?

@bindupbrokenhearted: you are right, but that's totally my fault. TS had trouble posting again (that's why it said 'coming soon' first, so he asked me if I could do it for him, but I copied his file wrongly. There are some things he put in italic too in his original post as I see now, so I hope that I can fix that, but the last sentence is now fixed. Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks Souza!  It is just my virgo perfectionism coming out again :lol: 

One thing that I saw while reading over the post my first read through:

Last, but certainly not least, the new covenant had to be signed with Christ’s literal blood; otherwise, there would be no way to verify the identity of Who signed. The main purpose of a signature is to verify the identity of the one who signed the contract. With handwritten ink, it’s difficult but possible to forge a signature and thereby give a false identity. With blood and DNA, it is even harder to falsify the identity.
With the blood that Ron Wyatt found on the mercy seat of the true ark, the identity is impossible to counterfeit. Normal humans have 46 chromosomes (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). However, the blood of Jesus from the ark has only 24 chromosomes (23 “X” from Mary, and 1 “Y” from God). This is very strong scientific evidence of the virgin birth (see Matthew 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; 3:23).

I need to do more research on this as karyotyping and archeology are not my areas, but I do know that DNA in the lab is VERY hard to keep even when preserved in lab settings.  So how would it be found, isolated, and chromosome number counted (with karyotyping You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login which is the way chromosomes are counted)? How was this done if the blood is supposedly 2000 years old?  I have to question this and further research into it for sure. 

But...if karyotyping can't be done on 2000 year old blood, then RW's story has some holes in it. 

I almost think TS is just entertaining possible scenarios of where the ark is, which one is real, which is fake, and maybe this is a test.  IDK. 

I need to do more research and study and read and study the post some more.

Love and peace.

Edit: and IF the DNA DID miraculously keep, my question would be: why hasn't the karyotype been shown to the world?  One of two possibilities: either 1. bias (publication: media and/or scientific) and thus a deliberate keeping of info from the public or 2. RW's results are not real results.  For the record: I am not sure about any of this yet.  I just get the feeling TS is testing us maybe.  IDK, I could be wrong.  I do know TS has taught me a lot the short time I have been here, but I am not taking everything he says just because he says it.  He was the one that taught me to research it and re-research it. 

Love.

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TIAI ~ 2012 / Re: TIAI January 21

« on: January 21, 2012, 03:29:18 PM »

I only skimmed the post over there.  RTRL.

Right now, I am going to take time to collect thoughts and do research, etc. 

And pray about this.

I will likely write more later when I have the time. 

Peace and God's love too all.  bearhug

PS: Should the last word be 'God'?