Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: jinane on April 29, 2010, 12:11:44 PM
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Extra TV is promoting a segment for today- alleging that MJ was involved in a "gay affair" whatever that means???It is time for all members to Stand up to Extra TV and speak out - how they can be NOT allowed to Disrespect Michael Jackson. MJ is not here to defend himself! We have to be his VOICE NOW! Write to Extra and Let then know, what you think about this slander!they have facebook & twitter so let them know what you think about it
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php
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How disgusting they are, today i read an article about a book that has been recently printed, it's called "the man behind the mask" if i 'm not mistaken, so a really disgusting book, the auther interviewd some freaks who claimed that Mike was a 'gay" and was their lover, that he would disguise himself as a woman and spend the whole night with them and other disgusting things, i was really furious while reading the article,it hurts that even now after his "death" these freaks go on telling untrue and disgusting things about Mike.I've left a good and furious comment under that article, hope they'll read it and be ashamed.
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A person's sexuality is their own business. It is their right to talk about it if they want to - nobody else should ever do that.
This man is either a liar, part of the hoax (unlikely) or an opportunistic jerk who had a relationship with someone who he knew kept his private life private and is now stabbing him in the back for a moment's attention.
That's not 'love'.
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I just can't believe all the things people say (Controversy)
Am I black or white? Am I straight or gay? (Controversy)
Do I believe in God? Do I believe in me? Yeah (Controversy)
Some people wanna die so they can be free
I said, life is just a game, we're all just the same
Do U wanna play? (Yeah, yeah, yeah)
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Opportunistic and disgusting, the more likely it is that you paid for the "interview." :evil: And I want to clarify that I have nothing against homosexuals.
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Give me a break :lol: :lol: :lol: what more is about to come? an alien claming to be MJs wife may be?
Like if any body would care about the gossip. Poor Michael, not even after "death" people let him be R.I.P...every body wants to cash on Michael.
Seem to me that the fans and supporters are figthing more for Michael than his own family :roll: let´s seel more hats and cd´s.
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Came across this from The Sun dated 21st Aug 2009. Also he told the story to some Aussie mag as well. 8 weeks after the death of your 'soulmate' do you tell the national press and anyone who will listen? You wouldn't be in the right frame of mind would you?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... lover.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2599439/Jason-Pfeiffer-claims-he-was-Jackos-gay-lover.html)
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Annoyed that the media keep giving opportunity to people like this to talk nonsense.
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dont care, who cares
mj is mj -thats it, not reading the news reports
these pp - jealous of what they could never be or have - feel sad for them.
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Annoyed that the media keep giving opportunity to people like this to talk nonsense.
you just have to be bigger, if you react they have won
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well, I posted my 2 cents in on it too...under my real name Tanya...son of a bitches...TABLOID BURNING to take place soon in my back yard...and i will record it, and then send it to all media I can, and that should show them to back off...probably not even faze them, but hell, it will show I don't give a shit as to what they print, it's all GARBAGE.
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As things stand, I think that the exercise of freedom of the press, introduce necessary restrictions. And these should be rigorous way certain bearing in mind the laws that one important aspect is not left to improvisation, people animated by economic interests.
We have a press acts tried escondiendose under the excuse of knowledge and culture, and another that forgets all propriety to achieve fame and money, regardless of consciousness. :evil:
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but its the pp who make up or disclose the info
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I logged on and did my part in leaving a comment. Thank you.
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Thank god i'm not famous if this is the BS you have to deal with, always people trying to make money out of you. This makes me sick, can they not just get a job like the rest of us!!
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Isn’t there anything more interesting or important for them to talk about than this lie? Michael Jackson is and will always be a subject of public interest for all he offered the world: his music, his artistry, his humanity. But why go on spreading lies? In their report they asked the man: Why come forward now? here is the true answer: because he made it up just yesterday! If they don’t have the capacity to research and find the truth, I’ll be happy to help them out… It’s out there for any idiot to understand, so I guess they won’t have any problems with it…
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Thanks @Mo - weird tweets indeed. I like this one I am really tired, worked until 12 last night.
On the other hand this fat slob could be Arnies BF - three kisses indeed.
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What the hell is that?!?
"This is IT" Why did you leave us so soon? I was in a club the other night, they didnt stop playing your music. What an experience
3:42 PM Oct 27th, 2009 via web
rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated
12:31 PM Jan 24th via web
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I'm on my way to write to EXTRA right this minute. We can be the voice of the MJ since he can't speak right now. This is just ridiculous and uncalled for news.
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Someone on twitter is addressing this article:
https://twitter.com/thisisalmostit (https://twitter.com/thisisalmostit)
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=9246)
This is getting most interesting. :lol:
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4157&p=154196#p154196
and the beat goes on.. :mrgreen:
oh and arnie klein and jason use twitter since 17th june 09?
Why the hell is that?
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Sorry I don't know much about this Extra show. Do they have some sort of perverse obsession with Michael or something. Just seen Debbie Rowe successfully sued them this year due to breach of privacy and defamation of character. :?
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what people will say for money :?
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(http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc262/Reef-Shark/popcornmunchMJ.gif)
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Well I just posted my two cents and I tweeted them. I'm tired of this crap. They struck a nerve with me today. I have the right to tell them I don't want to see this smut. This pissed me off today.
@SunShine Mind if I join your tabloid burning party?
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Extra TV is promoting a segment for today- alleging that MJ was involved in a "gay affair" whatever that means???It is time for all members to Stand up to Extra TV and speak out - how they can be NOT allowed to Disrespect Michael Jackson. MJ is not here to defend himself! We have to be his VOICE NOW! Write to Extra and Let then know, what you think about this slander!they have facebook & twitter so let them know what you think about it
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php
Oh brother! Here we go again with tabloid junk. MJ was 100% HETERO. :roll: :?
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i have unleashed my fury and Extra is now banned from the television in my household. For them being all about sensationalism and creating rumors, you'd think there are plenty of celebrities these days with their alleged drug problems that they can have fun with. why michael? because he continues to bring in more ratings than all the little hollywood jems we see today, combined. nevertheless, they have one less viewer and a lot of less respect.
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This garbage needs to stop! I so can't stand the media anymore and their filthy lies about everyone and especially Michael. Let's have a tabloid burning party for sure! I'm going to give EXTRA my two cent piece of mind alright! :evil:
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This garbage needs to stop! I so can't stand the media anymore and their filthy lies about everyone and especially Michael. Let's have a tabloid burning party for sure! I'm going to give EXTRA my two cent piece of mind alright! :evil:
no, how do you know its a lie?
i dont think mike is bisexual or gay, but if pp are lying they need to be dealt with and its the family or the estates job - to say something
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This garbage needs to stop! I so can't stand the media anymore and their filthy lies about everyone and especially Michael. Let's have a tabloid burning party for sure! I'm going to give EXTRA my two cent piece of mind alright! :evil:
no, how do you know its a lie?
i dont think mike is bisexual or gay, but if pp are lying they need to be dealt with and its the family or the estates job - to say something
i don't think it has so much to do with this guy specifically, because there have been many before him to make claims as such, but it has to do with the fact that Extra CHOSE to run with this. Sexuality is personal for a lot of people, and if michael was gay (i don't believe it), then that is a private matter unless HE chose to disclose it to the world. it is not the media's, family's or partner's place to "out" someone. the most offensive thing about this is that it is so disrespectful to continually showcase an old story that michael adamantly denied. he said "i am not gay." therefore, he is not. i believe michael, no one else.
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Ok - I'm really confused. What does this mean? That this Jason and Dr Klein are somehow related?
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Let show the media who is in control!!!!
Hey guys go make a comment on Extra's website here:
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k) ... friend.php
Tweet them here: http://www.twitter.com/@extratv (http://www.twitter.com/@extratv)
find an email. tell everyone else to do the same. Let's make them take this story down. MJ and his family (and other people like them) have gone through enough at the hands of the media and the crap they put out there.
It's time to tell them enough is enough. We are the people and today we can change things. LET'S SHUT THEM DOWN. LET'S MAKE THEIR HEADS SPIN. WE HAVE TO DEMAND THAT THEY DON'T AIR THIS OR WE WILL BOYCOTT.
It's time to send a big message...let's send it TODAY
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Pass the popcorn please! :lol:
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Let show the media who is in control!!!!
Hey guys go make a comment on Extra's website here:
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k) ... friend.php
Tweet them here: http://www.twitter.com/@extratv (http://www.twitter.com/@extratv)
find an email. tell everyone else to do the same. Let's make them take this story down. MJ and his family (and other people like them) have gone through enough at the hands of the media and the crap they put out there.
It's time to tell them enough is enough. We are the people and today we can change things. LET'S SHUT THEM DOWN. LET'S MAKE THEIR HEADS SPIN. WE HAVE TO DEMAND THAT THEY DON'T AIR THIS OR WE WILL BOYCOTT.
It's time to send a big message...let's send it TODAY
they dont care you are giving it air time talking about it :(
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i hope michael sees this- people standing up for him. he may be physically silent but his legacy will not be. whether they believe he's dead or alive, hell have no fury like michael's army of love!
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voiceforthesilent wrote; Ok - I'm really confused. What does this mean? That this Jason and Dr Klein are somehow related?
If I think are related 8-) :evil:
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voiceforthesilent wrote; Ok - I'm really confused. What does this mean? That this Jason and Dr Klein are somehow related?
If I think are related 8-) :evil:
They both use twitter since june 2009..
:roll:
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This garbage needs to stop! I so can't stand the media anymore and their filthy lies about everyone and especially Michael. Let's have a tabloid burning party for sure! I'm going to give EXTRA my two cent piece of mind alright! :evil:
no, how do you know its a lie?
i dont think mike is bisexual or gay, but if pp are lying they need to be dealt with and its the family or the estates job - to say something
i don't think it has so much to do with this guy specifically, because there have been many before him to make claims as such, but it has to do with the fact that Extra CHOSE to run with this. Sexuality is personal for a lot of people, and if michael was gay (i don't believe it), then that is a private matter unless HE chose to disclose it to the world. it is not the media's, family's or partner's place to "out" someone. the most offensive thing about this is that it is so disrespectful to continually showcase an old story that michael adamantly denied. he said "i am not gay." therefore, he is not. i believe michael, no one else.
AMEN! I absolutely agree with you.
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Came across this from The Sun dated 21st Aug 2009. Also he told the story to some Aussie mag as well. 8 weeks after the death of your 'soulmate' do you tell the national press and anyone who will listen? You wouldn't be in the right frame of mind would you?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... lover.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2599439/Jason-Pfeiffer-claims-he-was-Jackos-gay-lover.html)
Yes I remember this guy he works for Dr Kline, he was the one who first indicated that Michael was concerned about the Mayan Calendar (2012) I remember posting this on the old MJHD site, I sort of lean towards this being a plant of information for the hoax i.e. 2012 information.
Not in my wildest dreams would I consider that this guy would be of interest to MJ in "that" way, so just read between the lines "Mayan Calendar"!
;)
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who the hell is this fat jerk??...
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God has forbidden homosexuality it's written in all scriptures. Michael believes in God and I understood that he tries to follow His rules as much as possible. He surely is not homosexual because he said it several times. I don't need anything more. These people continue to spread lies that can harm him. This is what sells, the truth doesn't sell but sensationalism does.
I don't know what to do I don't want to offer them my attention. I think that if we want to defend Michael we should do it differently than harassing each tabloïd who publishes craps. They will not take our emails into account. I prefer (when it's possible) to post comments so that everybody can read my point of view.
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God has forbidden homosexuality it's written in all scriptures. Michael believes in God and I understood that he tries to follow His rules as much as possible. He surely is not homosexual because he said it several times. I don't need anything more. These people continue to spread lies that can harm him. This is what sells, the truth doesn't sell but sensationalism does.
I don't know what to do I don't want to offer them my attention. I think that if we want to defend Michael we should do it differently than harassing each tabloïd who publishes craps. They will not take our emails into account. I prefer (when it's possible) to post comments so that everybody can read my point of view.
I dont think Michael is gay, but I think, that if you really are, then it can't be denied. If you do, it will ruin you. no matter what the bible says.
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God has forbidden homosexuality it's written in all scriptures. Michael believes in God and I understood that he tries to follow His rules as much as possible. He surely is not homosexual because he said it several times. I don't need anything more. These people continue to spread lies that can harm him. This is what sells, the truth doesn't sell but sensationalism does.
I don't know what to do I don't want to offer them my attention. I think that if we want to defend Michael we should do it differently than harassing each tabloïd who publishes craps. They will not take our emails into account. I prefer (when it's possible) to post comments so that everybody can read my point of view.
I dont think Michael is gay, but I think, that if you really are, then it can't be denied. If you do, it will ruin you. no matter what the bible says.
Yes indeed and it is quite weird because everybody agrees on saying that homosexuality is ok, that they have nothing against it but when someone publicly says that he/she is suddendly they attack him. Is this hypocrisy ? I really don't understand.
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I'm so sick of people saying things like this about Michael. It's wrong and although I don't believe it. It's nobody's business.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
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The pics with the mangled ear is photoshopped. Here's the right pics :as you can see, there is an earlobe.
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some more :[attachment=1:3u4dl3ah]not mangled ear.jpg[/attachment:3u4dl3ah][attachment=0:3u4dl3ah]ear not mangled june 9.jpg[/attachment:3u4dl3ah]
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The pics with the mangled ear is photoshopped. Here's the right pics :as you can see, there is an earlobe.
That's what I figured, as there has been some Photoshop work on the side of the mouth cap as well.
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It is discusting and malicious!!! Michael had to defend himself all the time about EVERYTHING that went on in his life and when he did something great which was many times (such as helping children) people were asking WHY and twisted it all around
Tabloid Trash --- time to burn baby burn!!!!
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The pics with the mangled ear is photoshopped. Here's the right pics :as you can see, there is an earlobe.
That's what I figured, as there has been some Photoshop work on the side of the mouth cap as well.
yes, youre right. apparently somebody wanted us to believe, that he had surgery done on his ear.
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I think that this guy took his dreams for a reality.
I see that there is a lot of good comments claiming this to be fat lies.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
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i don't think it has so much to do with this guy specifically, because there have been many before him to make claims as such, but it has to do with the fact that Extra CHOSE to run with this. Sexuality is personal for a lot of people, and if michael was gay (i don't believe it), then that is a private matter unless HE chose to disclose it to the world. it is not the media's, family's or partner's place to "out" someone. the most offensive thing about this is that it is so disrespectful to continually showcase an old story that michael adamantly denied. he said "i am not gay." therefore, he is not. i believe michael, no one else.
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Voila!! ;)
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Here he is again...
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
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Hmmm...why is Extra doing this "gay" story now? Wasn't the book released months ago? Making up a gay rumor is like making up a groupie rumor... someone can make-up the most outlandish stories and people will believe them because it's sensational. :roll: Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open with this Jason character, perhaps there'll be a message somewhere if we read in between the lines.
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
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Here he is again...
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
it's normal to see him in the background he's not the only one there i guess a lot of stuff from Dr Klein because this fat jerk was working for him
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
Ok... So... if he is Mike, without ear lobe.....WHO is it...?
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
That dude HAS the ear lobe...
And WHY did they photoshop those pics...? for what purpose....?
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
Ok... So... if he is Mike, without ear lobe.....WHO is it...?
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
That dude HAS the ear lobe...
And WHY did they photoshop those pics...? for what purpose....?
Do you think Michael wanted people to believe it was a "double", when it wasn't a double? Call me crazy, but I still think O2 guy was Michael messing with us.
And, no I don't believe Jason was dating the "double" or Michael. In fact, I don't believe Jason was dating anyone.
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That man should have a great personality :lol: I would not go for him if I would be a gay man
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What disturb me the most is that media STILL use homosexuality as a SHAME, as something NOT NORMAL do be said.... Who cares if Michael was disguised as a woman to go and see his lovers ? I don't mean I believe those stories, but I'm just disapointed that it can be used to make him look like a freak...It's a shame for private life, for homosexual people !!! Aren't we supposed to live in a free world ? :roll: Those media are so "narrowminded"... :?
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Michael is so beautiful.
Just because he is seen in a few pictures and this dude in the background doesn't prove anything. We know that MJ visited Arnie's office all the time. Supposedly he made acquaintance with this loser while there. He probably took pictures all the time with patients and or visitors of Klein's practice. I'm sure he had no idea that these assholes would use them negatively. :evil: What a bunch of sycophants surrounded Michael. All of them apparently waiting on their opportunities to cash in from his kindness. In retrospect, I sometimes wish he had been a little less nice to some people; had his guard up. Some obviously took his kindness for weakness or had some ulterior motives from the start. I put my 2 cents worth on the comment page. This kind of smut needs to be stopped. Michael's personal lifestyle should be his own dam business anyway. What ever he chose to do behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors. There are 8 million positive things that they could report about Michael Jackson, their decision to report this says a lot about who they are. I guess we'd all better put on our rhinoceros skins, the closer it gets to the 1 year anniversary, I'm afraid the more of this kind of trash we are going to see and hear.
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sourcehttp://www.hollywoodcelebgossips.com/2009/08/23/jason-pfeiffer-i-was-michael-jacksons-gay-lover/jason-pfeiffer-michael-jackson-pic/
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:roll:
[youtube:lgmzceqb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRey1AfNSS4[/youtube:lgmzceqb]
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
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If I was his family, I would sue. :x
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this is what Taaj Malik wrote on the extra tv facebook page:
Taaj Malik I have spoken to Maria, Legeal Council, had a long conversation, explained group members total, 25,000, and other group leaders with members each between 2000 to 11000 are not very happy, These are lies,, and nothing but, WE WILL BOYCOTT WARNER BROS!!!! She has gone to discuss with internal team!!!! please everyone Pray
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dont care, who cares
mj is mj -thats it, not reading the news reports
these pp - jealous of what they could never be or have - feel sad for them.
I agree. MJ is MJ, and it's very personal, a person's sexuality, this is very sad, and uncalled for.
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This garbage needs to stop! I so can't stand the media anymore and their filthy lies about everyone and especially Michael. Let's have a tabloid burning party for sure! I'm going to give EXTRA my two cent piece of mind alright! :evil:
no, how do you know its a lie?
i dont think mike is bisexual or gay, but if pp are lying they need to be dealt with and its the family or the estates job - to say something
i don't think it has so much to do with this guy specifically, because there have been many before him to make claims as such, but it has to do with the fact that Extra CHOSE to run with this. Sexuality is personal for a lot of people, and if michael was gay (i don't believe it), then that is a private matter unless HE chose to disclose it to the world. it is not the media's, family's or partner's place to "out" someone. the most offensive thing about this is that it is so disrespectful to continually showcase an old story that michael adamantly denied. he said "i am not gay." therefore, he is not. i believe michael, no one else.
I agree. Nothing wrong with being of a different orientation, but MJ was definitely straight as ever. :)
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Does anyone think there is more to this guy because I kind of think he is just another groupie after his shameless five minutes of fame.
One thing I want to know though is what is going on at this medical centre; the dermatologist goes on air and tells the world Michael's entire medical history, the nurse has two of Michael's kids and the assistant or whatever he his is now claiming to be Michael's secret gay lover! Its none stop! Almost like its staged. ;)
For the record though nothing against Debbie but if this isn't all a set up Klein and Jason are vile for the way they've behaved.
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Taaj Malik GUYS THEY WANT TO INTERVIEW ME, TO DEFEND MJ, WHAT DO YOU SAY
Taaj Malik JOE IS SAYING NO!! WILL PUT RATINGS UP FOR XTRA, HE WILL DO HIS OWN PRESS CONFERENCE, SCREW EXTRA!!!
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
Ok... So... if he is Mike, without ear lobe.....WHO is it...?
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
That dude HAS the ear lobe...
And WHY did they photoshop those pics...? for what purpose....?
Do you think Michael wanted people to believe it was a "double", when it wasn't a double? Call me crazy, but I still think O2 guy was Michael messing with us.
And, no I don't believe Jason was dating the "double" or Michael. In fact, I don't believe Jason was dating anyone.
about the pictures..the first one looks like maybe a double..look at his fingernails..they are not dark like mjs ...
the second one if you look at his fingernails they are dark...like we usually see when we see michael jackson..
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What disturb me the most is that media STILL use homosexuality as a SHAME, as something NOT NORMAL do be said.... Who cares if Michael was disguised as a woman to go and see his lovers ? I don't mean I believe those stories, but I'm just disapointed that it can be used to make him look like a freak...It's a shame for private life, for homosexual people !!! Aren't we supposed to live in a free world ? :roll: Those media are so "narrowminded"... :?
Thank u! I hope all of you who are calling this "disgusting" and "horrible" are not refering to the fact that Michael might be gay because if that is what you mean I'd say that's horrible. If you are refering to the invasion of his privacy then I definitely understand and agree. None of us know for sure if Michael is gay/bi and neither does it matter. These "gay stories" don't really get me that upset they're kind of hilarious because if they were to make something up I'd at least try to make it sound real/true :lol: :lol: . And if they're true I see nothing wrong in them, it's not like he would've commited a crime or hurt anyone. So no biggie.
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I see much difference in nail color in a picture is darker and more white in another.
PD. I have a gay friend, I'm in a lot of pictures with ... I'm not a lesbian¡ :lol:
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Taaj Malik Jackson family are looking at suing for defamation of character, will keep you informed, they are seeking legal advice
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Extra TV is promoting a segment for today- alleging that MJ was involved in a "gay affair" whatever that means???It is time for all members to Stand up to Extra TV and speak out - how they can be NOT allowed to Disrespect Michael Jackson. MJ is not here to defend himself! We have to be his VOICE NOW! Write to Extra and Let then know, what you think about this slander!they have facebook & twitter so let them know what you think about it
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php
Oh give me a break, i read an article somewhere by someone who was close to michael who was trying to put those gay rumours to rest and he admitted that michael def was not gay and when this one guy made a pass at him mj ignored him at first but then he got a little to close and personal and michael basically told him to fuck off ( in nicer words of course) michael was not gay and he said so himself. this guy just wants attention and money. another piece of shit loser who wants something from michael. poor man had no one to trust.
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i don't think it has so much to do with this guy specifically, because there have been many before him to make claims as such, but it has to do with the fact that Extra CHOSE to run with this. Sexuality is personal for a lot of people, and if michael was gay (i don't believe it), then that is a private matter unless HE chose to disclose it to the world. it is not the media's, family's or partner's place to "out" someone. the most offensive thing about this is that it is so disrespectful to continually showcase an old story that michael adamantly denied. he said "i am not gay." therefore, he is not. i believe michael, no one else.
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Voila!! ;)
michael said himself he wasnt gay :)
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Whoa, if you say you are not homophobic, then what is the
differences with this guy saying he had some affair with Michael
and some woman saying she had some affair with Michael.
I don't want to see this guy hurt physically as well if he really believes
he did. Like some women really believe they did.
Hope this makes sense!
So, if Michael say he wasn't gay, he wasn't gay. What the big
deal?
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
Ok... So... if he is Mike, without ear lobe.....WHO is it...?
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
That dude HAS the ear lobe...
And WHY did they photoshop those pics...? for what purpose....?
It's all Michael in these pictures. I can recognize those fingers and finger nails everywhere.
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Zen, I think the Problem Is That When People Are Not Able To Say Whether something is true or false are Others Saying I is gay, that "and I am historical are" I will sue for Not paying me, That was my lover,. . etc, etc. .., Why not say Before?
I think this is a matter of money and the middle! Even When the media! :evil:
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Zen I'm not bothered by your comment, it is worth what you say ;)
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Whoa, if you say you are not homophobic, then what is the
differences with this guy saying he had some affair with Michael
and some woman saying she had some affair with Michael.
I don't want to see this guy hurt physically as well if he really believes
he did. Like some women really believe they did.
Hope this makes sense!
So, if Michael say he wasn't gay, he wasn't gay. What the big
deal?
it's not about homophobia. i assure you i have a ton of gay friends and i think homosexuality is just another form of love. i have absolutely nothing against it and i am 100% pro-gay marriage. this is upsetting because it is an old lie with a new face. michael defended himself when tabloids ran with this throughout the years, and since he can't physically do it now, we will do it for him. people- believers and non-believers- have had enough of their old lies with money-hungry people. i'm sure this guy won't be physically hurt by people. he may be emotionally, but then again he can cry into the bed of cash he sold his lies to Extra for.
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Two things come to mind:
1)Jason is delusional and living in his own fantasy dream land
or...
Jason had an affair with someone else who convinced Jason that he was really dating MJ.
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Dang, I forgot to warn you guys about this yesterday, I had seen a preveiw- this just makes me SO angry that people have to come and DISRESPECT him like this.. If this man were telling the truth, how crass would that be to come out and spew all these details while believing he's gone, as he obviously does.. And that Klein, I KNOW there's something fishy about him.. Isn't he trying to make money this minute off of some car that Michael supposedly rode in? I think he just wants attention (and of COURSE , money) off of Michael's name..
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Ah, YES, Mo, that's what I thought! I remembered when you said about using them to make him look weirder or worse- you know how people get about homosexuality.. I bet this is one of those fakes that wasn't afraid to work against him.. I hate the thought..
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Extra TV is promoting a segment for today- alleging that MJ was involved in a "gay affair" whatever that means???It is time for all members to Stand up to Extra TV and speak out - how they can be NOT allowed to Disrespect Michael Jackson. MJ is not here to defend himself! We have to be his VOICE NOW! Write to Extra and Let then know, what you think about this slander!they have facebook & twitter so let them know what you think about it
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php
Oh brother! Here we go again with tabloid junk. MJ was 100% HETERO. :roll: :?
You tell them, Stranger In Chi-town! :D God bless you! I agree 100%. MJ is not gay. Hey Jason, I have a very special dedication for you. I think you need to read MJ's lyrics and also buy a copy of the History Album. MJ has already addressed these kind of lies in Tabloid Junkie, since you have not obvious read the lyrics or heard the song. Since you like to live dangerously, Jason, this one is for you:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it, read it
And you don't have to eat it, eat it
To buy it is to feed it, feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
PS. Did not your former boss, Arnie Klein, say that MJ also peed in a cup infront of people. Boy, that is really some kind of messed up doctor's office to work at. :? So many lies coming up of a place of business. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
PSS. MJ, I love you, baby. I will never believe any of these lies because you have covered all these lies in interviews that I have purchased on DVDs ;) . So you have trained me well because I have heard the truth from your sweet lips. ;) MJ, there are so many haters who are jealous of you because you are simply too beautiful for words. I love you the most, baby! xxxxx
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Ah, YES, Mo, that's what I thought! I remembered when you said about using them to make him look weirder or worse- you know how people get about homosexuality.. I bet this is one of those fakes that wasn't afraid to work against him.. I hate the thought..
Oh yes, thank you, lovely ladies for all the beautiful photos of MJ in his delicious Balmain jacket ;) ;) . That definitely cheered me up after this post. God bless you all!
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Extra TV is promoting a segment for today- alleging that MJ was involved in a "gay affair" whatever that means???It is time for all members to Stand up to Extra TV and speak out - how they can be NOT allowed to Disrespect Michael Jackson. MJ is not here to defend himself! We have to be his VOICE NOW! Write to Extra and Let then know, what you think about this slander!they have facebook & twitter so let them know what you think about it
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php
Oh brother! Here we go again with tabloid junk. MJ was 100% HETERO. :roll: :?
You tell them, Stranger In Chi-town! :D God bless you! I agree 100%. MJ is not gay. Hey Jason, I have a very special dedication for you. I think you need to read MJ's lyrics and also buy a copy of the History Album. MJ has already addressed these kind of lies in Tabloid Junkie, since you have not obvious read the lyrics or heard the song. Since you like to live dangerously, Jason, this one is for you:
Speculate to break the one you hate
Circulate the lie you confiscate
Assassinate and mutilate
As the hounding media in hysteria
Who's the next for you to resurrect
JFK exposed the CIA
Truth be told the grassy knoll
As the blackmail story in all your glory
It's slander
You say it's not a sword
But with your pen you torture men
You'd crucify the Lord
And you don't have to read it, read it
And you don't have to eat it, eat it
To buy it is to feed it, feed it
So why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
They say he's homosexual
In the hood
Frame him if you could
Shoot to kill
To blame him if you will
If he dies sympathize
Such false witnesses
Damn self righteousness
In the black
Stab me in the back
In the face
To lie and shame the race
Heroine and Marilyn
As the headline stories of
All your glory
It's slander
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to believe all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
She's blonde and she's bisexual
Scandal
With the words you use
You're a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don't go and buy it, buy it
And they won't glorify it, 'fy it
To read it sanctifies it, 'fies it
Why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Slander
You say it's not a sin
But with your pen you torture men
Then why do we keep foolin' ourselves
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Though everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
See, but everybody wants to read all about it
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual
Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual
You're so damn disrespectable
PS. Did not your former boss, Arnie Klein, say that MJ also peed in a cup infront of people. Boy, that is really some kind of messed up doctor's office to work at. :? So many lies coming up of a place of business. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
PSS. MJ, I love you, baby. I will never believe any of these lies because you have covered all these lies in interviews that I have purchased on DVDs ;) . So you have trained me well because I have heard the truth from your sweet lips. ;) MJ, there are so many haters who are jealous of you because you are simply too beautiful for words. I love you the most, baby! xxxxx
Thanks, darkchild 8-) and yeah, Jason needs to take a gander at these lyrics and take a moment and listen xD. He need to be taken to SCHOOL, know what I mean? ;) ;) :lol:
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Taaj Malik Jackson family are looking at suing for defamation of character, will keep you informed, they are seeking legal advice
Thank you so much for this info. That is what I am talking about. MJ is a human being. I am tormented daily for all the suffering that he has endured in his lifetime. I have being praying to God for justice for all the pain, the suffering, the evil lies that harmed our beloved MJ. Thank you for letting us know that the Jackson family are seeking legal advice. MJ's dignity and his humanity are very precious to me. I was crying today again because all the suffering that he has endured. I cannot bear it. :cry: :cry: . I hurts me to no end. God bless you all for your love and your support for our beloved MJ. Your love lightens the darkness. xxxxxx
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:evil: This article is just one of the most ridiculous pieces of trash i have ever read.
:lol: :lol: :lol: I laugh at any fool who actually can watch this story with a straight face and believe it. Complete rubbish!
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There has always been rumors about MJ and his sexuality. I heard he even turned down a role in a movie because he said that some people already think he's gay and he's not. I think the movie was called A Chorus Line. So he didn't do the movie. Michael said with his own mouth that he's not gay and I've seen footage of him at one of his album signings in NY where he is clearly checking out girls and getting his staff to get their phone numbers. I think this guy is lying. For every tuth that comes out there has to be a lie to try to keep his image tarnished. Notice since the bodyguards came out and said MJ had several female companions now extra wants to bring this old story up again. I'm sorry but if I was his family I would straight sue these people. That's why they get away with it because more celebrities need to take action against them. I know if I were a celebrity and they kept printing stories about me that were false I would get paid because they would definitely get sued for defamation of character. I believe Mario Lopez is the host of this show. He definitely got no room to talk because this dude cheated on his wife at his bachelor party. That's why she dumped his behind.
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Taaj Malik Jackson family are looking at suing for defamation of character, will keep you informed, they are seeking legal advice
Thank you so much for this info. That is what I am talking about. MJ is a human being. I am tormented daily for all the suffering that he has endured in his lifetime. I have being praying to God for justice for all the pain, the suffering, the evil lies that harmed our beloved MJ. Thank you for letting us know that the Jackson family are seeking legal advice. MJ's dignity and his humanity are very precious to me. I was crying today again because all the suffering that he has endured. I cannot bear it. :cry: :cry: . I hurts me to no end. God bless you all for your love and your support for our beloved MJ. Your love lightens the darkness. xxxxxx
I hope they do, because this Arnball of a d r is more suspi than CM as far as ethical behavior is concerned... How is it this mofo got all his associates affiliated with MJ, or who they believed was MJ at some points or whatever. I've been thinking this since june when he on LKL talkin bout how he was about to do more work on his face, what type of d r is this? that is confidential info that only family can choose to give he on there talkin like some groupie d r or something... sometimes I wonder did MJ even have a life outside of this Arnball cicle? that is so sad!!
And may I add after being on this site for 2 mos and seeing all the rare footage and pictures and stuff, IMO there was no way this man was moleasting children!!! NO WAY!!! with that thing it would've been assault LMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: OMG the things I found out about MJ on here :lol: :lol: :lol: back to seriousness the Jacksons should seek legal advice on arnball tho
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I just can't believe all the things people say (Controversy)
Am I black or white? Am I straight or gay? (Controversy)
Do I believe in God? Do I believe in me? Yeah (Controversy)
Some people wanna die so they can be free
I said, life is just a game, we're all just the same
Do U wanna play? (Yeah, yeah, yeah)
Prince :D
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(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason.jpg)
Okay, now what is Jason doing here? And...is this Mike, or a double? It's impossible to tell if this is Mike because of the shades and the mouth cap, too much of the face is hidden.
The next photo shows a bit more details of the face, but watch the ear, there's no ear lobe:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/jason2.jpg)
Could Jason have been dating a double...?
Well, this is a million dollar question.... everything is possible...
Hello....? Any idea......?
I dont think it's a double, cause the hands is Michaels in all the pics. I just think it's photoshopping.
Ok... So... if he is Mike, without ear lobe.....WHO is it...?
(http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/various/doctor_6/006.jpg)
That dude HAS the ear lobe...
And WHY did they photoshop those pics...? for what purpose....?
It's all Michael in these pictures. I can recognize those fingers and finger nails everywhere.
Oh yes.. and Michael can switch his ear.....? The first dude hasn't the lobe ear and the second one yes, so that mean that they are not the same person...
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Would a gay man do this to another man? On another note when I was looking for this pic I found an article with pics of Al Sharpton apparantly grinding with a fan and getting carried away at MJ's memorial. Aren't real memorials more serious and respectful?
http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=h ... s%3Disch:1 (http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://sandrarose.com/images7/alsharpton-grinding499.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sandrarose.com/2009/07/01/al-sharpton-grinds-on-fan-during-michael-jackson-public-memorial-at-the-apollo/&usg=__HIBPO8OUjARSy9uK_NFGzCkXv8g=&h=837&w=499&sz=111&hl=en&start=20&itbs=1&tbnid=0-1lLHxJWLOTOM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmichael%2Bjackson,%2Bal%2Bsharpton%26start%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1)
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Unfortunately the german media also fall for that story, it's on a very popular site "Bunte", here is the link:
http://www.vipdip.de/skandal/2010/04/ha ... lover.html (http://www.vipdip.de/skandal/2010/04/hatte_jacko_einen_lover.html)
And they call him again Jacko :(
How cruel is this Jason P. guy, what was he thinking, however he reached his goal, everybody, including us speaking about him....wasting our precious time on this tabloid trash :evil:
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I 'm sure that if the purpose of this article is to sully MJ's reputation with his predominantly female fans then they're in for a big dissapointment. I am so encouraged when I read that it would not make any difference to our love for MJ. Well done people. But for the record. I think that MJ likes the ladies. Because He told us that from his own mouth. When this article was run soon after June 25th in a tabloid here in Auz, it didn't make much impact and in fact, my friends who don't believe found it ludicrous that tabloids are saying on one hand MJ had an eating disorder and then on the other hand was a chubby chaser. No offence intended toward this Jason, he may be a great guy, but this just makes those old rumors that MJ was gay seem really unbelievable even to people who had previously thought so.
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Two things come to mind:
1)Jason is delusional and living in his own fantasy dream land
or...
Jason had an affair with someone else who convinced Jason that he was really dating MJ.
That's my point exactly GirlSaturday, and that's why I posted those pictures. Just because someone looks like Michael Jackson, it doesn't mean it is Michael Jackson.
Ah, YES, Mo, that's what I thought! I remembered when you said about using them to make him look weirder or worse- you know how people get about homosexuality.. I bet this is one of those fakes that wasn't afraid to work against him.. I hate the thought..
You understood what I tried to point out very well PinkTopaz. Too many weird things have happened, I see too many different signatures and there are too many strange events that make me think the Bad Camp threw in a double to destroy Mike.
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Jason must be either.... a) hard up for money b) in dire need of attention c) on drugs. No one would do this kind of media damage to their "soul mate".
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Wow I just finished watching this guys interview on Extra. There is going to be a second part tomorrow. They are even going to play a message that MJ left to Jason over the phone. Why is this guy doing this? He says he doesn't care what people think and that MJ wouldn't be mad because it's the truth. He said that they were talking about their childhoods and started crying and they hugged but later MJ made the first move and kissed him. He said it was a sexual relationship and they were soul mates. Arnie Klein also claims that he walked in on them in the room and he knew something was up with them and he was happy for them. They met at Kleins office. Why would this dude even be at Arnie Klein's office? Why didn't any of the staff notice this so called relationship? I remember when they were talking about MJ and Grace being a couple they said all the staff was aware that they were together. The lady doing the interview says she believes him and that he has no reason to lie. Well actually he does have a reason to lie for money and to be in the spotlight. They even showed photos with him and MJ family so their really trying to prove this story to be true. Jason also said that he knew MJ loved Lisa Marie and he believe MJ to be bisexual. This is just too much. It seem like exploitation to me. They're even gonna talk about his plastic surgeries tomorrow and the interviewer ask Jason if he believe MJ was murdered.
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Isn't it all a paradox? Tabloids and their equivalent brought through cable/satellite exist by the grace of the interest of the fans of those stars exposed in the media. Vice versa is equally true: Moviestars, popstars etc exist by the grace of the tabloids and the likes. The majority of pictures used as sigs by users on this forum have been shot by paps who work for the tabloids which some/many people here on this forum claim to hate.
Don't forget that bad/negative exposure have about the same effect as good/positive exposure. It's all about creating mass interest and whether the interest stems from negative or positive does not really matter financially. Since we all know that releasing movies, records, tabloids, TV shows etc is all about generating money, as long there's interest, bad or good, the money keeps rolling. Slamming an article or TV show here on this forum only increases the interest, people will be provoked to take a look, thus will be exposed to the commercial part surrounding the article or show. It's as simple as 1+1 equals 2.
No matter how much MJ said he hated the tabloids and what was said/written about him, unless he was a total dummy (which he is/was not I suppose), he also realised he gained the status he had through the very same media. Without them he wouldn't be half as big as he was and that is just a simple fact. MJ's line of industry walks hand in hand with the tabloid industry, they are parallel industries which can not survive without eachother. Once they'd release eachother's hands, they both would fall into the deep and be forgotten.
Imagine the tabloids not spilling one word (good or bad) on MJ or the Jacksons as a whole....where would the Jacksons be nowadays? I guess they'd still be in Gary, Indiana.
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Whoa, if you say you are not homophobic, then what is the
differences with this guy saying he had some affair with Michael
and some woman saying she had some affair with Michael.
I don't want to see this guy hurt physically as well if he really believes
he did. Like some women really believe they did.
Hope this makes sense!
So, if Michael say he wasn't gay, he wasn't gay. What the big
deal?
I kind of agree with what you say. The only thing seperating this guy from the numerous women claiming to be the ex wifes of Michael is that Michael vaguely knew this guy. I personally don't believe Michael was gay, as you say he said so himself, so we have to accept Michael's word. :)
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Isn't it all a paradox? Tabloids and their equivalent brought through cable/satellite exist by the grace of the interest of the fans of those stars exposed in the media. Vice versa is equally true: Moviestars, popstars etc exist by the grace of the tabloids and the likes. The majority of pictures used as sigs by users on this forum have been shot by paps who work for the tabloids which some/many people here on this forum claim to hate.
Don't forget that bad/negative exposure have about the same effect as good/positive exposure. It's all about creating mass interest and whether the interest stems from negative or positive does not really matter financially. Since we all know that releasing movies, records, tabloids, TV shows etc is all about generating money, as long there's interest, bad or good, the money keeps rolling. Slamming an article or TV show here on this forum only increases the interest, people will be provoked to take a look, thus will be exposed to the commercial part surrounding the article or show. It's as simple as 1+1 equals 2.
No matter how much MJ said he hated the tabloids and what was said/written about him, unless he was a total dummy (which he is/was not I suppose), he also realised he gained the status he had through the very same media. Without them he wouldn't be half as big as he was and that is just a simple fact. MJ's line of industry walks hand in hand with the tabloid industry, they are parallel industries which can not survive without eachother. Once they'd release eachother's hands, they both would fall into the deep and be forgotten.
Imagine the tabloids not spilling one word (good or bad) on MJ or the Jacksons as a whole....where would the Jacksons be nowadays? I guess they'd still be in Gary, Indiana.
I get your point, but I don't completely agree. Yes, the tabloid media thrives on "celebrity" and vice versa. However, the kind of coverage the Michael Jackson got was by far the worst I've ever seen any celebrity endure. Also, there are people who are very famous whose reputation is not constantly butchered by tabloids (i.e.: Beyonce).
It seems to me that you're saying that he's famous, so he should just deal with it. If you were in his shoes and had people making up the most awful things about you and you constantly had to look over your shoulder because almost every employee and every "friend" would betray you and run to the tabloids for money, how would you feel? What if you needed to talk to a counselor or a pastor, but were afraid to confide in them because they might spill every detail of your personal conversation? Do you think you could endure that for 2 years, 10 years... how about 30 years?
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It's very strange it was shown the same day as Aphrodite Jones Special on the Real Truth. Whenever there's something to clear Michael's image, there's a sudden fake malicious gossip to destroy it. Who's behind this?
He claimed that he had no control about "bringing this out." Did someone put a gun to his head and tell him he had to do it??? COME ON!!! THIS GUY IS SUCH A LOSER!!!
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It's very strange it was shown the same day as Aphrodite Jones Special on the Real Truth. Whenever there's something to clear Michael's image, there's a sudden fake malicious gossip to destroy it. Who's behind this?
He claimed that he had no control about "bringing this out." Did someone put a gun to his head and tell him he had to do it??? COME ON!!! THIS GUY IS SUCH A LOSER!!!
oh wow what channel did the Jones special come on?
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It's very strange it was shown the same day as Aphrodite Jones Special on the Real Truth. Whenever there's something to clear Michael's image, there's a sudden fake malicious gossip to destroy it. Who's behind this?
He claimed that he had no control about "bringing this out." Did someone put a gun to his head and tell him he had to do it??? COME ON!!! THIS GUY IS SUCH A LOSER!!!
oh wow what channel did the Jones special come on?
Investigation Discovery - ID. You can watch the special here:
viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9283 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=9283)
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A person's sexuality is their own business. It is their right to talk about it if they want to - nobody else should ever do that.
This man is either a liar, part of the hoax (unlikely) or an opportunistic jerk who had a relationship with someone who he knew kept his private life private and is now stabbing him in the back for a moment's attention.
That's not 'love'.
I agree. This guy came out right after Michael was gone and said this. It's hard for me to picture, but who knows. I don't watch T.V. and the new video clip I tried to watch yesterday [some random site] of the "e" show was removed. I'd like to get a better feel of him so I can sit here and call him an absolute liar. He said something to the affect that Michael would have wanted this to come out? I think not. He's also not considering the Michael's children. The stories about Michael will continue for at least another two years. It's really a shame the press can't just stick to his true legacy but that's not what sells. Dirt sells. People are negative, angry and all the rest. You can't go on a message board anywhere and not find angry people. And they get angry over nothing. People just can not be happy for other people. They'd rather someone wallow in their hole of misery with them.
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Wow I just finished watching this guys interview on Extra. There is going to be a second part tomorrow. They are even going to play a message that MJ left to Jason over the phone. Why is this guy doing this? He says he doesn't care what people think and that MJ wouldn't be mad because it's the truth. He said that they were talking about their childhoods and started crying and they hugged but later MJ made the first move and kissed him. He said it was a sexual relationship and they were soul mates. Arnie Klein also claims that he walked in on them in the room and he knew something was up with them and he was happy for them. They met at Kleins office. Why would this dude even be at Arnie Klein's office? Why didn't any of the staff notice this so called relationship? I remember when they were talking about MJ and Grace being a couple they said all the staff was aware that they were together. The lady doing the interview says she believes him and that he has no reason to lie. Well actually he does have a reason to lie for money and to be in the spotlight. They even showed photos with him and MJ family so their really trying to prove this story to be true. Jason also said that he knew MJ loved Lisa Marie and he believe MJ to be bisexual. This is just too much. It seem like exploitation to me. They're even gonna talk about his plastic surgeries tomorrow and the interviewer ask Jason if he believe MJ was murdered.
Wish I could see this. I don't believe it anyway. This is like when Mark Lester came out with his story directly after Michael left - whether or not you all know it, this guy did too !. It's just taken him longer to get on the air. Do you remember ALL THOSE MEN that said they were the father of Anna Nicole's baby? They probably hadn't even had sex with her. Some people will do anything for free press and advertising. Michael loved everyone and told everyone he loved them. Did this guy say that Michael told him he loved him? I never purchase unauthorized biographies and I don't buy this. This is private and should stay that way. In my opinion it overshadows all the wonderful things about Michael and this fat, depressed stinker knows that. He doesn't care.
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Honestly, you can't blame the man. Just try to put yourselves in his shoes. Here we go, "I tragically lost the love of my life at a very young age, so I just didn't know anything else to do but tell the entire world all the truth about the very gay, very sexual relationship that we had, because... After desperately trying to hide the fact he's gay (or bisexual, as I assumed... know that sounds weird, but well, we might've been lovers and soulmates and stuff, but geee, I never asked him that) all his life, I thought this was just what he would've wanted me to do. And anyway, it's best for his children also. Isn't it?"
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? That's right. So, stop hating on the poor man. He's doing just the right thing.
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PinkTopaz wrote that doubles were used to harm Michael, Mo also mentioned, Jinan said the same day will present the program with Aphrodite Jones, begins again this campaign to discredit Michael. Who or who is behind all this, why do this now and with a man who assumes he's dead?,
Are we seeing a new conspiracy and why?, Are these the same people who have always wanted to destroy Michale?, How many more things these people will be able to do?
I definitely think that these forums are watching. :evil:
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
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this what karen faye said on her twitter "The gay affair claims are totally untrue. It seems to be a bazaar plot. I am trying to find out more. Don't believe a word."
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this what karen faye said on her twitter "The gay affair claims are totally untrue. It seems to be a bazaar plot. I am trying to find out more. Don't believe a word."
"baazar"? Doesn't she mean "bizarre"? Was that a typo or did she misspell it on purpose :?:
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Here is what M.j's bodyguard wtote in his status on facebook:
To all my MJ FB fans, Please dont feed into that Garbage about some idiot claiming to be MJ's Gay lover, due to my confidentiality in writing a book I can only say this; Michael Jackson was a MAN!, He was more of a MAN than that IDIOT can ever be the Women he claims to be. Dont waist your time being angry or upset, the media was not MJ's friend when he was alive, dont expect them to be his friend now.
I can seee the picture very well. This guy was introduced to Mike at Arnold's(whatever his name is-Mike dermatologist) office, they met a couple of times just by chance and he stalked him everywhere in order to be around him and to be shot by the paparazzi and then to make this untrue story.i feel sorry for him
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Maybe made a mistake When Comparing homsexual = discredit, and I Said That Souza as you say homosexuality is taboo in many parts, and many people would look bad, Remember That Still many people think of the child molestation charges, and this would be like to Things continue Adding to the negative reputation of Michael :geek:
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
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Maybe someone should make up a rumor about the hosts of Extra and send it to them and send it to all the news media and see how they like a taste of their own medicine. You guys could say Mark Magrath is gay and had lovers or whatever like that LOL
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Maybe someone should make up a rumor about the hosts of Extra and send it to them and send it to all the news media and see how they like a taste of their own medicine. You guys could say Mark Magrath is gay and had lovers or whatever like that LOL
That would be just lowering yourself to their standards...
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I agree with Souza....don't lower yourself to their standards! Remember, in the end, "the truth will prevail."
This "shmuck" is just looking for his 15 minutes and as for Extra TV...well what do we expect from a TABLOID!? Shame on all of them!!! :x
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Honestly, you can't blame the man. Just try to put yourselves in his shoes. Here we go, "I tragically lost the love of my life at a very young age, so I just didn't know anything else to do but tell the entire world all the truth about the very gay, very sexual relationship that we had, because... After desperately trying to hide the fact he's gay (or bisexual, as I assumed... know that sounds weird, but well, we might've been lovers and soulmates and stuff, but geee, I never asked him that) all his life, I thought this was just what he would've wanted me to do. And anyway, it's best for his children also. Isn't it?"
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? That's right. So, stop hating on the poor man. He's doing just the right thing.
I think if someone dies with a secret, it doesn't have to be said. I think Michael was old enough to decide what to say about his personnal life. If he never said it, event in times that where "positive" to talk about "coming out", as other celebrity did before...I guess it was because of 2 things
1/he was not gay
2/ he never wanted to tell
Anyway, you can't make choices for someone "dead". All this must go with him and I think if this guy really had a love story with Michael, it's weird that he talks about it now. I'm not surprised to learn Michael could be homosexual, or bi sexual, but I'm just feeling strange that this guy wishes to show this private part of their life, right now...
Anyway it's disrespectful, because Michael never told about it, there must have been a reason for that. A reason he should have respected... But I don't really believe this story about crying in each others arms...it seems a little "too much"
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Honestly, you can't blame the man. Just try to put yourselves in his shoes. Here we go, "I tragically lost the love of my life at a very young age, so I just didn't know anything else to do but tell the entire world all the truth about the very gay, very sexual relationship that we had, because... After desperately trying to hide the fact he's gay (or bisexual, as I assumed... know that sounds weird, but well, we might've been lovers and soulmates and stuff, but geee, I never asked him that) all his life, I thought this was just what he would've wanted me to do. And anyway, it's best for his children also. Isn't it?"
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? That's right. So, stop hating on the poor man. He's doing just the right thing.
I think if someone dies with a secret, it doesn't have to be said. I think Michael was old enough to decide what to say about his personnal life. If he never said it, event in times that where "positive" to talk about "coming out", as other celebrity did before...I guess it was because of 2 things
1/he was not gay
2/ he never wanted to tell
Anyway, you can't make choices for someone "dead". All this must go with him and I think if this guy really had a love story with Michael, it's weird that he talks about it now. I'm not surprised to learn Michael could be homosexual, or bi sexual, but I'm just feeling strange that this guy wishes to show this private part of their life, right now...
Anyway it's disrespectful, because Michael never told about it, there must have been a reason for that. A reason he should have respected... But I don't really believe this story about crying in each others arms...it seems a little "too much"
I think she was being sarcastic. :)
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Oh you're right ! :lol: Google translation gave me another meaning for the whole message !
Sorry for misunderstood !
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According to HeIsMypeterPan, she states that klien wasnt as close with michael as he thought he was and that she was one the phone one with michael one night, and that michael constantly told her how uncomfortable he made him feel, she also states that a bunch of them including her were at neverland once for a party and michael walked in on klien and jason in the bathroom doing stuff and he got upset cus his kids were in the room next door but he let it go, then jason and klien switched the story and turned it on michael. I dont know who she is or what her relation to michael was and i dont know how reliable she is but if shes telling the truth ... then these two men are scum bags looking for money and attention.
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Annoyed that the media keep giving opportunity to people like this to talk nonsense.
they just pay them
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My opinion.
I don't judge Michael if eventually he was bisexual (but I am pretty sure he loved women). Some people feel not comfortable saying they are gay..that is why maybe he always said he was not.
But,to be honest,it seems a bit odd Michael should have felt attracted by that guy..he should have chosen a better looking one :lol:
So,I don't want to focus to much on this news. What I think,anyway,is that if it was true,it is not correct that the guy is talking now about Michael's private life.ANd I am starting to hate Dr Klein... I am sorry Michael once trusted Klein... I think he is one of the people that after 25 have acted wrong,if he was a real friend...I hate the way he laughs...Remember the interview on TMZ? :evil:
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Has anyone got a link to where i can watch this interview.. i just need to see it so i can make up my own mind on this. x
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If you want the truth of your story, you go to oprah,if you want lie and makeup stories you go to extra. You really think Michael is gay and like a big fat pig like him. please, This story ain't worth the time And Extra is not real news anyway. :lol:
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If you want the truth of your story, you go to oprah,if you want lie and makeup stories you go to extra. You really think Michael is gay and like a big fat pig like him. please, This story ain't worth the time And Extra is not real news anyway. :lol:
i would still like to see it... Im in the UK so dont have access to this on the TV.
Anyone have the link please? I would like to make my own mind up if thats ok. :D
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I don't believe it, I feel like if Michael had an affair with anyone male or female, they would have come forward sooner. & the fact that this guy know Dr. Klein who has proven himself to be a liar, says a lot. Dr. Klein keeps making up anything & saying anything to try to get money. He does interviews with TMZ of all people, he comes up with story after story, first he says he's the kids' father, then he's not "to the best of his knowledge", then MJ owes him money, then he comes up with a crazy peeing in a cup story, then he takes it back, then he sells "MJ's green jacket", then he sells something else, I wouldn't be surprised if he was behind this guy coming forward to try to get some kind of money. Like "go do this interview & say you're Michael's lover & we can split the profit". It all sounds too out there for me. Michael in a interview someone posted a while ago, adamantly said "I'm NOT gay" & seemed annoyed by the endless rumors, as if he was tired of answering that question. Plus, we've all seen the GIFS with him checking out women's a**es. He doesn't seem gay at all to me & I have a lot of gay friends & a gay cousin. & none of them are flamboyant but I can still usually tell. Michael seemed shy & reluctant to talk about his personal life, but he has that right & I'd do the same thing. But that doesn't mean he's gay, the way he talks about women, I think he's straight. I would still be a fan if he was gay but I don't think he is. He was probably friends with this guy & maybe this guy is gay & took it the wrong way or wishes he was MJ's lover, but I think he's just after the $$$$. & the media is covering it because a lot of people are starting to look at MJ differently & he is loved again. So whenever things are positive & good what do they do, focus on the negative. They love to drag MJ's name through the mud & this guy's crazy story is perfect for them. It's sickening, I hope his family sues.
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First of all, I get the feeling while reading this thread that being fat and being gay makes you less of a person. I am sorry, but regardless the fact that I think this guy should shut the fuck up about his alleged romance with Mike, his double or in his dreams, I am disgusted by some of the comments. It's judgemental, you don't know this guy, yet he is slandered here because he is gay and fat.
I wonder how perfect we all are here on this board. You can discuss his actions here in this thread, but from now on every post I see about the guy's looks or sexual interests, will be deleted.
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What if Michael is bisexual?
Would you be not a fan anymore?
Cool that he can fall in love with a person regardless of their sex.
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What if Michael is bisexual?
Would you be not a fan anymore?
Cool that he can fall in love with a person regardless of their sex.
You are missing the point. The point isnt about MJs sexuality or personal preferences.
The point is that Michael is supposed to be dead.. he isnt here to defend himself or answer any questions.
These people are profiteering over a mans death.
The programme makers claim this is a "love story". Where is the love in selling personal and sexual details of a man who isnt here anymore?? Thats not love.. thats exploitation and greed.
Think about it.. if you truly loved someone and felt they were your soul mate.. would you sell your most private moments for dollars???
Think about Michaels children.. how is this fair on them to have their dead fathers sexual history plastered all over the tv and internet.
If this man really and truly loved Michael, then he wouldnt be doing this.
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if you read my earlier posts i agree with you.
But some folks cant seem to handle the idea that "their" Michael Jackson could be bisexual.
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if you read my earlier posts i agree with you.
But some folks cant seem to handle the idea that "their" Michael Jackson could be bisexual.
You're right he could be, & that would be fine with me. But I don't think he is. However, I don't know him personally. But the way he comes off is as a straight man. & I'm not judging this Jason guy for being gay, I just don't like him exploiting MJ like this either, I think it's ALL for the $$$$. Not love or anything else. He is friends with Arnie Klein who we all know will say anything about MJ for $$$$. I think he may be behind this.
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if you read my earlier posts i agree with you.
But some folks cant seem to handle the idea that "their" Michael Jackson could be bisexual.
I understand. I wasnt directing that directly at you.. :D Having a rant. Want people to understand that this isnt about MJs sexuality.. im with you, i couldnt care less and i actually dont want to know.
Poor, poor Michael.. imagine living with this kind of crap.
I work in a bit of a bitchy environment.. very competitive and stressful... and i know how much i cant hurt when someone bitches about me behind my back and makes up lies.
Even someone when someone gossips about the truth about my private life.... it still hurts because its still gossip and my private life just simply isnt anyone elses business.
When i think of what Michael had to deal with.. that feeling x1000.. having the lies and gossip broadcast on TV and internet and newspapers. Just awful. Some people view him a weak man.. truth is he was a very strong man to deal with all that and still keep standing.
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Maybe its only a matter of keeping MJ in the news..
Time will tell.
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.
Popcorn anyone?
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Sorry to keep asking, but does anyone have the link where i can see this>>>???
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First of all, I get the feeling while reading this thread that being fat and being gay makes you less of a person. I am sorry, but regardless the fact that I think this guy should shut the fuck up about his alleged romance with Mike, his double or in his dreams, I am disgusted by some of the comments. It's judgemental, you don't know this guy, yet he is slandered here because he is gay and fat.
I wonder how perfect we all are here on this board. You can discuss his actions here in this thread, but from now on every post I see about the guy's looks or sexual interests, will be deleted.
I think that the negative remarks come from absolute frustration. This guy totally has the right to his personal choices for his size and his sexual preference but he does NOT have the right to drag Michael's name into his personal fantasies on national television for fame or to make a quick buck. That is what makes him less of a person in my eyes. The mere fact that he did the interview COMPLETELY discredits the subjects validity. If any of his claims were true (claiming to love and be in a relationship with Michael) he would be protecting Michael's privacy the way that Michael protected it himself.
Even if this story were true (though every fiber of my being tells me it's not), how in hell would this revelation benefit or help anyone? In a word....it won't....it can't. This guy is the ONLY one that stands to gain from this "news". Now the haters have more fuel for the fires they are always fanning. Just when the light starts shining on the truth of Michael's innocence this guy shovels another load of dirt. Now they'll believe that the allegations were true because they involved boys and I'm sure that we'll get renewed energy in the "no way they can't be HIS kids" debate. Need I mention the additional emotional distress this is sure to cause the children? In a perfect world it wouldn't matter but we don't live in that perfect world that Michael envisions yet.
It really sickens me just how shallow and selfserving most of the people that Michael befriended have turned out to be. The fact that this guy is connected to Arnie who (unless I've missed something) has managed to only shed negative light on the private side of Michael speaks volumes to me for his lack of credibility as well. I would have been overjoyed to just have gotten the chance to meet that incredibly kind, compassionate and amazingly talented man. Unfortunately, it appears that those lucky enough to do so had other agendas (with the exception of those helping him now .... thank god).
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LOL....I see that others were posting their similar thoughts while I was composing mine.
Thumbs up !!!
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First of all, I get the feeling while reading this thread that being fat and being gay makes you less of a person. I am sorry, but regardless the fact that I think this guy should shut the fuck up about his alleged romance with Mike, his double or in his dreams, I am disgusted by some of the comments. It's judgemental, you don't know this guy, yet he is slandered here because he is gay and fat.
I wonder how perfect we all are here on this board. You can discuss his actions here in this thread, but from now on every post I see about the guy's looks or sexual interests, will be deleted.
I think that the negative remarks come from absolute frustration. This guy totally has the right to his personal choices for his size and his sexual preference but he does NOT have the right to drag Michael's name into his personal fantasies on national television for fame or to make a quick buck. That is what makes him less of a person in my eyes. The mere fact that he did the interview COMPLETELY discredits the subjects validity. If any of his claims were true (claiming to love and be in a relationship with Michael) he would be protecting Michael's privacy the way that Michael protected it himself.
Even if this story were true (though every fiber of my being tells me it's not), how in hell would this revelation benefit or help anyone? In a word....it won't....it can't. This guy is the ONLY one that stands to gain from this "news". Now the haters have more fuel for the fires they are always fanning. Just when the light starts shining on the truth of Michael's innocence this guy shovels another load of dirt. Now they'll believe that the allegations were true because they involved boys and I'm sure that we'll get renewed energy in the "no way they can't be HIS kids" debate. Need I mention the additional emotional distress this is sure to cause the children? In a perfect world it wouldn't matter but we don't live in that perfect world that Michael envisions yet.
It really sickens me just how shallow and selfserving most of the people that Michael befriended have turned out to be. The fact that this guy is connected to Arnie who (unless I've missed something) has managed to only shed negative light on the private side of Michael speaks volumes to me for his lack of credibility as well. I would have been overjoyed to just have gotten the chance to meet that incredibly kind, compassionate and amazingly talented man. Unfortunately, it appears that those lucky enough to do so had other agendas (with the exception of those helping him now .... thank god).
Like I said, it's ok to discuss his actions, because if you have read my other posts, you would know I absolutely disagree with this blabbing to tabloids as well, regardless of the trustworthyness of this. I am only pointing out here that I do not appreciate judging people by their sexual preferences or size.
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Sorry to keep asking, but does anyone have the link where i can see this>>>???
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/ (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/)
scroll down on the right side in the videos bar. Its in there.
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This man said it all last year, my question is that once again with this?, just when transmitting the program of Aphrodite Jones, it seems strange :geek:
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I just can't believe all the things people say (Controversy)
Am I black or white? Am I straight or gay? (Controversy)
Do I believe in God? Do I believe in me? Yeah (Controversy)
Some people wanna die so they can be free
I said, life is just a game, we're all just the same
Do U wanna play? (Yeah, yeah, yeah)
Prince :D
:D :D Denmark, Belgium and France this summer, woop! :D
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Thank you Souza for the above comments. I tried to say the same
thing earlier in a post, but not worded correctly in speed writing.
My point was that there have been others doing the exact same
towards Michael, that Teresa Gonzales, Billie Jean, and ect.
It was more offensive to me, that some woman would claim that
Michael would abandon a child of his, and then they only come
forward after he gone, and that is slander, because it implies
he DID abandon a child they claim. They try to sue estate
but the estate should be suing them!
This Jason was obviously around Michael or a Michael, and in
the pictures, Michael is SMILING and seems happy. He does
not seem to be in any distress, the worst pictures are of with Ben
Evanstad.
So, they may have been friends and this Jason, like a LOT of people
around Michael, might have took it the wrong way.
Jason sort of remind me of the 02 guy fan that is screaming in love
of Michael. That guy probably thinks he and Michael have a thing
too. :lol:
But, NO, I don't think ANY of them deserve the time of day in a public
media. :geek:
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Here is what M.j's bodyguard wtote in his status on facebook:
To all my MJ FB fans, Please dont feed into that Garbage about some idiot claiming to be MJ's Gay lover, due to my confidentiality in writing a book I can only say this; Michael Jackson was a MAN!, He was more of a MAN than that IDIOT can ever be the Women he claims to be. Dont waist your time being angry or upset, the media was not MJ's friend when he was alive, dont expect them to be his friend now.
I can seee the picture very well. This guy was introduced to Mike at Arnold's(whatever his name is-Mike dermatologist) office, they met a couple of times just by chance and he stalked him everywhere in order to be around him and to be shot by the paparazzi and then to make this untrue story.i feel sorry for him
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Amen, Well said!!!!!! God bless for sharing what MJ's bodyguard said. xxxx
This man said it all last year, my question is that once again with this?, just when transmitting the program of Aphrodite Jones, it seems strange :geek:
Excellent point, Paula! 8-) I guess the media does not think we can see their schemes! You expressed my sentiments. Positive press for MJ vs. Negative press for MJ all released on the same day. Hmmmmm, media! :lol: God bless you, Paula, for your love of MJ! xxxx
According to HeIsMypeterPan, she states that klien wasnt as close with michael as he thought he was and that she was one the phone one with michael one night, and that michael constantly told her how uncomfortable he made him feel, she also states that a bunch of them including her were at neverland once for a party and michael walked in on klien and jason in the bathroom doing stuff and he got upset cus his kids were in the room next door but he let it go, then jason and klien switched the story and turned it on michael. I dont know who she is or what her relation to michael was and i dont know how reliable she is but if shes telling the truth ... then these two men are scum bags looking for money and attention.
she also states that a bunch of them including her were at neverland once for a party and michael walked in on klien and jason in the bathroom doing stuff and he got upset cus his kids were in the room next door but he let it go, then jason and klien switched the story and turned it on michael.
Ahh yes, there is the nugget of truth. Thank you, Jacksongirl. MJ said that the stories were always twisted around. I believe that story!
God bless you, JacksonGirl. I always love the gorgeous piccies of MJ that you share on the boards. xxxx
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
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if you read my earlier posts i agree with you.
But some folks cant seem to handle the idea that "their" Michael Jackson could be bisexual.
You're right he could be, & that would be fine with me. But I don't think he is. However, I don't know him personally. But the way he comes off is as a straight man. & I'm not judging this Jason guy for being gay, I just don't like him exploiting MJ like this either, I think it's ALL for the $$$$. Not love or anything else. He is friends with Arnie Klein who we all know will say anything about MJ for $$$$. I think he may be behind this.
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That gay guy look a lot like Dr. Klein to me. I think they might be related!! :lol:
Lets spread this "rumor" :lol: :lol: :lol:
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
Thank you so much for letting me the video is still there. I did not see it, and I refreshed my page twice. That is so awesome about the thousands comments of support for MJ on FB. Could you please post the link. Oh yes, I love your siggie. It is so beautiful. God bless you so much, jessica. xxxx
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First of all, I get the feeling while reading this thread that being fat and being gay makes you less of a person. I am sorry, but regardless the fact that I think this guy should shut the fuck up about his alleged romance with Mike, his double or in his dreams, I am disgusted by some of the comments. It's judgemental, you don't know this guy, yet he is slandered here because he is gay and fat.
I wonder how perfect we all are here on this board. You can discuss his actions here in this thread, but from now on every post I see about the guy's looks or sexual interests, will be deleted.
I dont write a lot of posts Souza but you got right to the point here and looks like you can really pack a punch when you need to . The fact is you are bang on the nail. Good post.
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God bless you Darkchild ;)
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I thought the interview that is spliced together on the website, leaves a lot to the imagination. He uses "boy-friend" - in Michael's world - I believe he would not have a problem with that terminology. Jason's assumption that he was bisexual is just that, an "assumption". Michael and he crying together over childhood stories and hugging - believable. Michael being passionate - no news there - well I just don't hear the terminology that firmly convinces me of wild sexual melees with Michael and Jason. That dude is not telling the truth. Of course I don't see the Arnie Klien part either, but to me it looks like press being massaged. ;)
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Another_Part_of_Me wrote: That gay guy look a lot like Dr. Klein to me. I think they might be related!!
Lets spread this "rumor"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
Thank you so much for letting me the video is still there. I did not see it, and I refreshed my page twice. That is so awesome about the thousands comments of support for MJ on FB. Could you please post the link. Oh yes, I love your siggie. It is so beautiful. God bless you so much, jessica. xxxx
this is the link http://www.facebook.com/#!/extra (http://www.facebook.com/#!/extra)
the MJ fan power worked they didn't air part 2 tonight
L.O.V.E
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This made me sick! Right he is Michael's soulmate, sure and I am Mother Theresa! Just another greedy SOB getting his 15 minutes of fame and a check from Extra or whatever the hell this crappy show is. Whatever two consenting adults do in private is none of my business. If this were true, ( I know it's not) and he knew Michael so well, he would know HOW PRIVATE he is. OMG, and if Michael were gay, he wouldn't be with a fat ass piece of lard like this gravy sucking pig!
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I also want to say I have nothing against homosexuals. I love everyone.
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
Thank you so much for letting me the video is still there. I did not see it, and I refreshed my page twice. That is so awesome about the thousands comments of support for MJ on FB. Could you please post the link. Oh yes, I love your siggie. It is so beautiful. God bless you so much, jessica. xxxx
I see someone already linked you to the Extra one. Mario's also has a whole lot! http://www.facebook.com/MarioLopezExtra (http://www.facebook.com/MarioLopezExtra) if you click the part that says "just others".
<3
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Okay so I'm watching the rebroadcast of Extra because I missed it earlier today. Guess what? The second part of the story about Jason having an affair with MJ was not even aired today. They were suppose to continue the interview today and play a voice mail left by MJ to Jason. They were also suppose to discuss his past surgeries and if Jason thought MJ was murdered. This is funny and a trip. :lol: So apparently Extra must have got alot of comments from fans blasting them about this story. I guess they learned their lesson. They even had the nerve to show a clip of MJ's brothers before commercial break talking from a previous interview about the Extra app for cell phones. They were trying to do damage control for sure today. So Jason got shut down basically. :lol:
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Yep. Now they need to air a formal apology.
Not that we would forgive them... but they really seriously should.
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"Entertainment News" > A big smoking shit that to amuse the popular mass on the life of known people. The worst is that some people look at these programs, believe in it and during this time do not see how the world really is.
Where are going our societies ?
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This made me sick! Right he is Michael's soulmate, sure and I am Mother Theresa! Just another greedy SOB getting his 15 minutes of fame and a check from Extra or whatever the hell this crappy show is. Whatever two consenting adults do in private is none of my business. If this were true, ( I know it's not) and he knew Michael so well, he would know HOW PRIVATE he is. OMG, and if Michael were gay, he wouldn't be with a fat ass piece of lard like this gravy sucking pig!
Michael can be proud to have such respectful fans..... :roll:
Why attack a man on his looks? That s really lame. Judge his acts, his lies but would he be less of a lier if he was a brad pitt lookalike?
I dont give a sh** if MJ was gay or straight. That doesnt change the wonderful human being he is, the amazing artist, the never equaled dancer and the funny character he has. And it makes me sick to my stomach to read such disgusting comments on behalf of so called fans
I believe Jason is a lier. Because nobody that close to MJ would go to tabloids to tell those private stories. He came with that months ago already when every normal person would have been grieving the loss of their "soulmate".
But the fact he s gay or fat doesnt make him less respectable. He would be just as much of an asshole if he was good looking and straight.
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This made me sick! Right he is Michael's soulmate, sure and I am Mother Theresa! Just another greedy SOB getting his 15 minutes of fame and a check from Extra or whatever the hell this crappy show is. Whatever two consenting adults do in private is none of my business. If this were true, ( I know it's not) and he knew Michael so well, he would know HOW PRIVATE he is. OMG, and if Michael were gay, he wouldn't be with a fat ass piece of lard like this gravy sucking pig!
Michael can be proud to have such respectful fans..... :roll:
Why attack a man on his looks? That s really lame. Judge his acts, his lies but would he be less of a lier if he was a brad pitt lookalike?
I dont give a sh** if MJ was gay or straight. That doesnt change the wonderful human being he is, the amazing artist, the never equaled dancer and the funny character he has. And it makes me sick to my stomach to read such disgusting comments on behalf of so called fans
I believe Jason is a lier. Because nobody that close to MJ would go to tabloids to tell those private stories. He came with that months ago already when every normal person would have been grieving the loss of their "soulmate".
But the fact he s gay or fat doesnt make him less respectable. He would be just as much of an asshole if he was good looking and straight.
I agree with you with all my cute, weight-issued little heart. <3 And you put it perfectly. His integrity is what we should be looking at, not the size of his waist.
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I'm sad to see proof here of what society turned into: judging people based on looks and habits, instead of judging the person for who he is and what he stands for. I do not approve what this man did, but judging people because on their looks and or habits is totally wrong. This is exactly what leads people who do not meet societies "standards" to suffer from serious illnesses such as eating disorders, people getting mental problems because they start lacking self confidence and the run to plastic surgeons because one's looks are not approved by society. Very very sad...
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Karen Faye tweeted:
wingheart
It was Debbie Rowe who stopped the Klein/JP interview.Thank HER, my friends. She alerted the estate, and in turn Howard Weitzman. LOVE U DEB
20 minutes ago via Twitterrific
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this is karen faye tweet "It was Debbie Rowe who stopped the Klein/JP interview.Thank HER, my friends. She alerted the estate, and in turn Howard Weitzman. "
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Thank goodness for Debbie.
I would have gone mad if this douche got one more cent from Michael's name.
That's been done enough already. :x
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Wow, I didn't know Debbie was this powerful ! And she acted quick too ! Makes you think maybe she had some help perhaps ?? 8-)
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If Debbie stepped in to stop this then I think it was for the sakes of Michael's children. She doesn't want them to see all of the media trash about Michael. Good for her! I think Debbie deserves more respect than we give her credit for, just my opinion.
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Karen Faye tweeted:
wingheart
It was Debbie Rowe who stopped the Klein/JP interview.Thank HER, my friends. She alerted the estate, and in turn Howard Weitzman. LOVE U DEB
20 minutes ago via Twitterrific
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Wow. I'm surprised that she was the one who pulled the plug, I thought it was someone else in the Jackson Estate.
She is, after all, Paris and Prince's mother and of course she wouldn't want them to have to witness lies about their father on national television.
Thank you, Debbie.
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Hi I'm not sure if I've overanalysed it and gone way off track but I'm putting it out anyway cos I think it may be a possibility -
Is Arnold Klein in the hoax, and maybe this entire thing is staged to show us something, e.g. Not to take other ppl's words as truth even if they were close to MJ, because it has happened before, La Toya had spoken out against Michael in the past and claimed later she was controlled and told what to say. This entire situation makes no sense to me, as to why Arnold would want to get this out, truth or not, and why at this time and not earlier. This conveniently acts as a 'preview' of Idiot Harepin's (as MJ's bodyguards called him) documentary about Michael's alleged gay romances. Seeing how the bodyguards have vehemently denied Ian's claims, and also Michael has denied it in the past, I don't really think he has sexual interest in males.
That being said I have nothing against homosexuality.
L.O.V.E.
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Don't forget Arnie's Urination Explanation, which was hilarious btw.
I don't know why now, but I do know the guy spoke out about months ago already, so it's really not that new.
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whole situation makes me remember one of Maura's video (with light-man, and piece from film with E.Taylor on it...)
video http://www.youtube.com/user/MJFanFOREVE ... _8Wsmvk5rE (http://www.youtube.com/user/MJFanFOREVERAndADAY#p/u/7/c_8Wsmvk5rE)
crazy...
I really believe that MJ is NOT gay..
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could this be part of the hoax?i know it sounds crazy...but is there a slight posibility?
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WHO KNOWS..... :?
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First of all, I get the feeling while reading this thread that being fat and being gay makes you less of a person. I am sorry, but regardless the fact that I think this guy should shut the fuck up about his alleged romance with Mike, his double or in his dreams, I am disgusted by some of the comments. It's judgemental, you don't know this guy, yet he is slandered here because he is gay and fat.
I wonder how perfect we all are here on this board. You can discuss his actions here in this thread, but from now on every post I see about the guy's looks or sexual interests, will be deleted.
I dont write a lot of posts Souza but you got right to the point here and looks like you can really pack a punch when you need to . The fact is you are bang on the nail. Good post.
Thanks Souza. I'm neither fat nor gay but I find it offensive when people talk like that. None of us should degrade another human being. That being said, I'm so thrilled that the media has heard our voice and took this down. On top of that they didn't air the second segment either. MichaelJackson.com's forum has gone wild over this too. Good job everyone. Together we can fight for truth and justice.
Edit: When I click on the link I still see the video...I thought they took it down?
http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
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I don't think that it's part of the hoax because I find it too risky to spread such a rumor taking the risk to loose control on it. What do you think non-fans and haters would think about it ? I feel like it only stenghten their thoughts on Michael and even turn their prejudices to realities and truths . This kind of things leaves traces. Well I may only see one part of the picture and be wrong.
God bless you.
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I take a break for exams and when im back this..ugh!!
MJ would have never wanted things like that out even if they were true...
he was very private..and i dunno what arnie wants, what next he's gunna say they were friends with benefests? or that he is his REAL soulmate...
I love MJ no matter what, but fact is, peopl have the right to keep that part of their lives private...
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
Oh really? So what IS normal in your eyes? Who decides what is normal and what isn't? God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere?
May I remind you that the bible was written by men in an era that women were treated as garbage as well? Don't believe anything you read, not even if it's in the bible. Take out the good things of the bible and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
Like I already said, I don't think Mike is gay, but neither of us know him, so we can never be 100% sure. Who cares if he is? If 2 people love each other, it shouldn't matter if they're man/woman, man/man or woman/woman, and nobody should judge that. I am sorry, but seeing people post comments that homosexuality is not normal, makes my stomach turn. My brother was afraid to come out of the closet exactly because of people like you, because he was afraid people would think he was abnormal. He had much stress because of that for years and years. You better think about that statement again.
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According Souza, there is the Catholic Church condemns homosexuality, when they are buried to their necks in the filth that is the podofilia, and do not say that the whole church is like there are good people in that church and in all institutions, problem is the double standard to condemn and take some assholes on other things.
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
Oh really? So what IS normal in your eyes? Who decides what is normal and what isn't? God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere?
May I remind you that the bible was written by men in an era that women were treated as garbage as well? Don't believe anything you read, not even if it's in the bible. Take out the good things of the bible and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
Like I already said, I don't think Mike is gay, but neither of us know him, so we can never be 100% sure. Who cares if he is? If 2 people love each other, it shouldn't matter if they're man/woman, man/man or woman/woman, and nobody should judge that. I am sorry, but seeing people post comments that homosexuality is not normal, makes my stomach turn. My brother was afraid to come out of the closet exactly because of people like you, because he was afraid people would think he was abnormal. He had much stress because of that for years and years. You better think about that statement again.
You rock, Souza. God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere? <- I love that :D
Also Michael himself has said in interviews that I have seen with my own eyes that he doesn't mind if people think he's gay. That is not to say he IS or IS NOT gay, he just is not bothered by people's thoughts on the issue.
Using the whole "he loves god and god hates/forbids homosexuality" thing is and always has been a joke. If I even need to explain why, then I don't think you (not directed you, Souza) have watched the news in the last few years.
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MJs sexuality is nobodys business but his own & no matter what his preference is, MORE POWER TO HIM. :mrgreen:
BTW of course the supposidly gay lover is a FAKE, so why even give him any time or acknowledge him? He's a waste of space & time. DONE.
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
Oh really? So what IS normal in your eyes? Who decides what is normal and what isn't? God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere?
May I remind you that the bible was written by men in an era that women were treated as garbage as well? Don't believe anything you read, not even if it's in the bible. Take out the good things of the bible and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
Like I already said, I don't think Mike is gay, but neither of us know him, so we can never be 100% sure. Who cares if he is? If 2 people love each other, it shouldn't matter if they're man/woman, man/man or woman/woman, and nobody should judge that. I am sorry, but seeing people post comments that homosexuality is not normal, makes my stomach turn. My brother was afraid to come out of the closet exactly because of people like you, because he was afraid people would think he was abnormal. He had much stress because of that for years and years. You better think about that statement again.
Actually I don't want to get in an religious I'm-right-and-your-wrong thing, but because you want some answers here I go.
I'm sorry that your brother had to go through all that stress I really do, but don't point your finger at me and say 'because of people like you'. Cause like I said in my previous post; I don't have anything against gay people, it's the sexual act I don't see as being normal. But that's something that doesn't effect me in any kind of way because that's a personal thing and that's exactly why I don't have anything against them as people. It's like someone who likes to walk upside down on his hands at home; I don't think that's normal and I don't have to think that it's something normal but that doesn't mean I lose my respect for them as a human being. I have a friend who's gay and I know the bad things he has to go through and I really respect how he deals with those things, but on the other hand he respect my point of view too about this subject and he knows that I don't judge him as a person.
The Bible? Who said anything about the Bible? I didn't...
How I know that God forbids homosexuality? Because God said so in the true Holy Books wich is God's word. But one can believe in this or don't so I'm not going to discuss it any deeper.
As for Michael; he SAID he's not gay. Wasn't that clear enough? Or was that a hoax too?
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
Oh really? So what IS normal in your eyes? Who decides what is normal and what isn't? God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere?
May I remind you that the bible was written by men in an era that women were treated as garbage as well? Don't believe anything you read, not even if it's in the bible. Take out the good things of the bible and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
Like I already said, I don't think Mike is gay, but neither of us know him, so we can never be 100% sure. Who cares if he is? If 2 people love each other, it shouldn't matter if they're man/woman, man/man or woman/woman, and nobody should judge that. I am sorry, but seeing people post comments that homosexuality is not normal, makes my stomach turn. My brother was afraid to come out of the closet exactly because of people like you, because he was afraid people would think he was abnormal. He had much stress because of that for years and years. You better think about that statement again.
Actually I don't want to get in an religious I'm-right-and-your-wrong thing, but because you want some answers here I go.
I'm sorry that your brother had to go through all that stress I really do, but don't point your finger at me and say 'because of people like you'. Cause like I said in my previous post; I don't have anything against gay people, it's the sexual act I don't see as being normal. But that's something that doesn't effect me in any kind of way because that's a personal thing and that's exactly why I don't have anything against them as people. It's like someone who likes to walk upside down on his hands at home; I don't think that's normal and I don't have to think that it's something normal but that doesn't mean I lose my respect for them as a human being. I have a friend who's gay and I know the bad things he has to go through and I really respect how he deals with those things, but on the other hand he respect my point of view too about this subject and he knows that I don't judge him as a person.
The Bible? Who said anything about the Bible? I didn't...
How I know that God forbids homosexuality? Because God said so in the true Holy Books wich is God's word. But one can believe in this or don't so I'm not going to discuss it any deeper.
As for Michael; he SAID he's not gay. Wasn't that clear enough? Or was that a hoax too?
Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
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Being homosexual is not disgusting, thinking it's disgusting is in my eyes disgusting.
There are a few options here.
1. Mike is gay and he is telling the truth (still none of our business and he should keep that to himself)
2. This man had a relationship with a double and never realized it was not the real deal.
3. And this is most certainly the case either way, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame and has $$$ in his eyes. Whether or not he had a relationship with Mike or one of the doubles, he is doing this to gain for himself. These matters are private and are supposed to stay private, no matter what.
I myself never had a gay-vibe from MJ and I must say I have a good sensor for that, since my own brother is gay and I know a lot of gay people. But in some cases even I can't tell.
But this in my opinion is to discredit Mike, since homosexuality is in most parts of the world still a taboo, unfortunatelly. This guy may not even be aware of it (see point 2) but is greedy enough to talk to the tabloids.
I'll go with the first phrase of option 3.
Michael is as straight as one can be. He is not gay; he said so himself a million times before.
I personally think it's disrespectful to Michael to call him gay, because he's a strong believer in God and he knows God forbids homosexuality. So to call him something that is in his point of view a sin, is disrespectful.
Don't think I'm a homofobe cause I don't have anything against gay people, but I don't think the sexual gay act is "normal" and I don't have to.
Oh really? So what IS normal in your eyes? Who decides what is normal and what isn't? God forbids homosexuality? How do you know? Did you meet him, is that on tape somewhere?
May I remind you that the bible was written by men in an era that women were treated as garbage as well? Don't believe anything you read, not even if it's in the bible. Take out the good things of the bible and take the rest with a pinch of salt.
Like I already said, I don't think Mike is gay, but neither of us know him, so we can never be 100% sure. Who cares if he is? If 2 people love each other, it shouldn't matter if they're man/woman, man/man or woman/woman, and nobody should judge that. I am sorry, but seeing people post comments that homosexuality is not normal, makes my stomach turn. My brother was afraid to come out of the closet exactly because of people like you, because he was afraid people would think he was abnormal. He had much stress because of that for years and years. You better think about that statement again.
Actually I don't want to get in an religious I'm-right-and-your-wrong thing, but because you want some answers here I go.
I'm sorry that your brother had to go through all that stress I really do, but don't point your finger at me and say 'because of people like you'. Cause like I said in my previous post; I don't have anything against gay people, it's the sexual act I don't see as being normal. But that's something that doesn't effect me in any kind of way because that's a personal thing and that's exactly why I don't have anything against them as people. It's like someone who likes to walk upside down on his hands at home; I don't think that's normal and I don't have to think that it's something normal but that doesn't mean I lose my respect for them as a human being. I have a friend who's gay and I know the bad things he has to go through and I really respect how he deals with those things, but on the other hand he respect my point of view too about this subject and he knows that I don't judge him as a person.
The Bible? Who said anything about the Bible?
How I know that God forbids homosexuality? Because God said so in the (true) Holy Books wich is God's word. But one can believe in this or don't so I'm not going to discuss it any deeper.
As for Michael; he SAID he's not gay. Wasn't that clear enough? Or was that a hoax too?
I feel the same way about homosexuality, (that god forbids it) but I don't put myself in judgement of the homosexual lifestyle. In the Bible it states that homosexuality is confusion. and having worked in the medical profession there is much more risk with anal sex (due to the possible contamination of the body from feces to and the sensitivity of the intestine to injury) than other sexual performance (oral, vaginal). this arguement can go on forever but do not take offense if people feel its abnormal... but it is not in agreement with the way man and woman were formed and how they keep creation going...
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
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To tell the truth I always wonder if the "straight" guys around me aren't really attracted to MJ that way. It seems they have a soft expression when they watch him on TV or something. ..lol.
Yea, Michael said he wasn't gay, but did he say he wasn't BI? :D
Regardless, if it were true or untrue. I think this would be heartbreaking to him. No peace.. ever! Even if this guy thinks he doing him a favor by telling the truth, he would be telling TOO MUCH truth.
For what is worth, the guy sounds like a nice guy, what a shame about this interview he shouldn't have done. They really did splice him together too. I wish I knew what was between those cuts.
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
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He protects pedophiles yet preaches the word of god which apparently condemns homosexuality?
Give me a break :roll: :lol:
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(http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Pope-Benedict1.jpg)
He protects pedophiles yet preaches the word of god which apparently condemns homosexuality?
Give me a break :roll: :lol:
The Catholic Church = hypocricy & control, that's all I will say about it, before I will step on some people toes...
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He protects pedophiles yet preaches the word of god which apparently condemns homosexuality?
Give me a break :roll: :lol:
The Catholic Church = hypocricy & control, that's all I will say about it, before I will step on some people toes...
I agree and I have already gotten myself in trouble about that topic once so I will leave it at that. :?
I'm sorry to hear about your brother having to deal with such cruelty. It's ridiculously unfair.
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And look what says depraved this one; :evil:
EFE , 16 April 2010-16 April 2010-Bishop of the Mexican town of San Cristóbal de las Casas, Felipe Arizmendi, stated that "before the current invasion of eroticism is not easy to stay faithful in celibacy or in respect of children", today reported the local press.
"On the Internet there is so much pornography can hardly someone be chaste and pure, not only the priest in marriage is difficult", insisted Arizmendi.
"I congratulate not denouncing a priest to the civil government." You have done so well and I am delighted to have a partner in the episcopate which in the eyes of history and all the Bishops of the world, would have preferred the prison rather than denounce his son priest.
These words, whose authenticity has been confirmed by the Vatican, were written by the Colombian Cardinal Darío Castrillón in 2001 in a letter to a French bishop. In the letter, welcomed you for not denouncing the civil authorities to one of the priests of his diocese, who allegedly committed sexual abuse against children.
These statements are joining the Tarcisio Bertone pederasty with homosexuality, who linked to the high number of paedophilia cases committed by priests.
During the LXXXVIII Assembly of the Conference of the bishops Mexican (EMF), which ended on Thursday, the prelate of the town in the State of Chiapas added that "the problem of clerical paedophilia should be a wake-up call for society".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical". The Bishop said that "there are many cases in the family, schools and other environments".
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God bless you Darkchild ;)
Awww, thank you so much, hon! Very kind of you. God bless you too, Paula! :) xxxx
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
Thank you so much for letting me the video is still there. I did not see it, and I refreshed my page twice. That is so awesome about the thousands comments of support for MJ on FB. Could you please post the link. Oh yes, I love your siggie. It is so beautiful. God bless you so much, jessica. xxxx
this is the link http://www.facebook.com/#!/extra (http://www.facebook.com/#!/extra)
the MJ fan power worked they didn't air part 2 tonight
L.O.V.E
That is right, hon! MJ's Fans love stopped it. Love in action is so powerful! :D :D God bless you for your loving answer, Jiane! Thanks for the link! xxxx
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she's talking with fans on twitter and someone just said this "Extra has taken the Jason Pfeiffer preview/article off of their site & are no longer promoting tonight's interview. Interesting"
it's no more available :) http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/k ... friend.php (http://extratv.warnerbros.com/2010/04/king_of_pops_secret_lover_i_was_michael_jacksons_boyfriend.php)
hope they remove it
God bless you, Jinane! When I first read your reply, I almost choked and died from laughing :lol: . The video is not there anymore. God bless all the fans that left comments on Extra. The site was slammed with about 400 comments in support of MJ. Wow, what love can do to stop evil! ;) God bless everyone for your continual non-stop love for MJ across the globe. MJ, we will have your back forever! We love you the most! xxxx
Huh? I still see the video...
But if you think the comments on the website are awesome you should see some of the ones on their facebook fan page. There are hundreds, if not thousands!
Thank you so much for letting me the video is still there. I did not see it, and I refreshed my page twice. That is so awesome about the thousands comments of support for MJ on FB. Could you please post the link. Oh yes, I love your siggie. It is so beautiful. God bless you so much, jessica. xxxx
I see someone already linked you to the Extra one. Mario's also has a whole lot! http://www.facebook.com/MarioLopezExtra (http://www.facebook.com/MarioLopezExtra) if you click the part that says "just others".
<3
Thank you so much, Jessica! God bless you and have a wonderful week, hon! xxxx
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And look what says depraved this one; :evil:
EFE , 16 April 2010-16 April 2010-Bishop of the Mexican town of San Cristóbal de las Casas, Felipe Arizmendi, stated that "before the current invasion of eroticism is not easy to stay faithful in celibacy or in respect of children", today reported the local press.
"On the Internet there is so much pornography can hardly someone be chaste and pure, not only the priest in marriage is difficult", insisted Arizmendi.
"I congratulate not denouncing a priest to the civil government." You have done so well and I am delighted to have a partner in the episcopate which in the eyes of history and all the Bishops of the world, would have preferred the prison rather than denounce his son priest.
These words, whose authenticity has been confirmed by the Vatican, were written by the Colombian Cardinal Darío Castrillón in 2001 in a letter to a French bishop. In the letter, welcomed you for not denouncing the civil authorities to one of the priests of his diocese, who allegedly committed sexual abuse against children.
These statements are joining the Tarcisio Bertone pederasty with homosexuality, who linked to the high number of paedophilia cases committed by priests.
During the LXXXVIII Assembly of the Conference of the bishops Mexican (EMF), which ended on Thursday, the prelate of the town in the State of Chiapas added that "the problem of clerical paedophilia should be a wake-up call for society".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical". The Bishop said that "there are many cases in the family, schools and other environments".
well damn ain't that some sh**? whats the point of representing God for a people needing to be saved if those representatives are guilty of the same wickedness? this seems like an excuse- to blame society for their behavior... wow
how do they choose who should be a priest anyway? how can they give sound marriage advice when they can not have a wife? how can they give fatherly advice when the have no child bearing/rearing experience? is it realistic in these times to force these priests to not have wife/ family/ sex?
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And look what says depraved this one; :evil:
EFE , 16 April 2010-16 April 2010-Bishop of the Mexican town of San Cristóbal de las Casas, Felipe Arizmendi, stated that "before the current invasion of eroticism is not easy to stay faithful in celibacy or in respect of children", today reported the local press.
"On the Internet there is so much pornography can hardly someone be chaste and pure, not only the priest in marriage is difficult", insisted Arizmendi.
"I congratulate not denouncing a priest to the civil government." You have done so well and I am delighted to have a partner in the episcopate which in the eyes of history and all the Bishops of the world, would have preferred the prison rather than denounce his son priest.
These words, whose authenticity has been confirmed by the Vatican, were written by the Colombian Cardinal Darío Castrillón in 2001 in a letter to a French bishop. In the letter, welcomed you for not denouncing the civil authorities to one of the priests of his diocese, who allegedly committed sexual abuse against children.
These statements are joining the Tarcisio Bertone pederasty with homosexuality, who linked to the high number of paedophilia cases committed by priests.
During the LXXXVIII Assembly of the Conference of the bishops Mexican (EMF), which ended on Thursday, the prelate of the town in the State of Chiapas added that "the problem of clerical paedophilia should be a wake-up call for society".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical".
"It is very difficult for a priest to remain chaste and celibate when there is so much incentive to the contrary". "We don't want to shirk our responsibility, but society as a whole should be reviewed, said the Bishop.
When there is a "widespread sexual debauchery", said Arizmendi, "is more common to have cases of paedophilia, not only clerical". The Bishop said that "there are many cases in the family, schools and other environments".
this seems like an excuse- to blame society for their behavior... wow
That's exactly how I feel upon reading that. Which just lights even more of a flame under my ass :evil:
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This is the sort of thing that drives me up the wall. We live in a supposed modern world yet so many of us are so close minded- stuck in the 1800s. So many of us preach about love and spreading Michael's message but then proceed to tear someone apart due to the way he looks & his sexual orientation? If in fact this man made Michael happy, then we should be happy because Michael was happy. As fans, that's what we want, right? We want Michael to be happy. But I guess if this ruins your daydreams and fantasies about MJ then it just can't be. Michael would be horrified to be reading some of the things written here. This is why so many celebrities chose to keep their sexual orientation a secret. People JUDGE. Whether for religious reasons or personal convictions, people JUDGE. Criticize, attack, destroy-- just completely pick their lives apart. I can't blame Ricky Martin for keeping his private life a secret for so long. People still talked trash even after he came out. I don't know if I would have ever said anything at all. But he feels liberated now and he seems happy. God bless him.
Now, I am NOT saying I believe Jason. AT ALL. I don't. I have two reasons for doubting him. One, Jason's timing is off. He seems money hungry to me. This smells of Arnold Klein. Someone who truly loves Michael like he says he does wouldn't be revealing this to the media. He should know how much Michael values his privacy. And second and most importantly, Michael openly stated his heterosexuality MANY times. He said he loved women over & over again. We have seen Michael flirt & we've read his own accounts about the women in his life. That should be more than enough. He chose to address those rumors when he didn't have to. If he had never addressed this issue, I would have completely understood. But as usual, Michael can't catch a break.
Michael's word is final to me. I heard it come out of his mouth. That is all I need. His sexuality shouldn't even be up for debate. But even if the media continue to disrespect him as they always have, we cannot stoop down to their level. We don't know for sure why Jason is saying anything. Maybe he's playing his part in something else. Maybe not. We don't have all the facts yet. But he is still a person. Michael once said that he always tried to treat people with understanding and kindness. He said he tried to teach Prince and Paris the importance of not hurting other people's feelings and to love your neighbor as yourself. We apparently still have much to learn from Michael...
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Some comments on this page really made my blood boil, so here's some Dutch directness, coming from first hand experience:
In July 1996 I got a heartbreaking phone call from my oldest sister, telling me that our cousin had committed suicide. Just a few years before, after struggling with himself for years because of all the prejudices planted in people's head by the church, the word of god and the holy books, my cousin came out of the closet as he couldn't live the lie anymore. My entire family had no problem at all with it, we were so happy for him for not having to hide anything anymore, and his boyfriend was welcomed into the family. They were a great couple, they loved each other wholeheartedly. Thinking back, I haven't witnessed such a pure and loving relationship again as the one they had.
For the next few years things appeared to be fine. They were considering adopting a child (yes, here in The Netherlands it's possible for gay couples to adopt children) and they were looking forward to same-sex marriage becoming legal in the Netherlands so that they could get married. They bought a house together and were about to move into it when, totally unexpected to all of us, the devastating news came.
My cousin jumped off a 14 stories building, and my aunt and uncle had to identify him by his watch, glasses and shoes. He left a long letter, in which he explained why he couldn't live on anymore. Despite the family and friends having no problems at all with his 'lifestyle' and the 'sexual gay act', he was still judged and condemned for being gay. Society assessed him as being 'not normal', and he kept running into prejudices, preventing him from leading a normal life. He was so tired of explaining and defending himself time after time again, he was tired of being hated for being gay, for being judged, for being called names, he just couldn't take it anymore, despite all the love and support he got from his boyfriend, his family and true friends.
I think I don't have to explain how devastated we all were and still are to this day by his death, and all he had to go through. His blood is on the hands of those who scream that god forbids homosexuality, who say that homosexuality is not normal and who say that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity. How DARE those people ruin the life of such a wonderful, caring and loving person as my cousin. Think about THIS story the next time you make statements about homosexuality. I am outraged and deeply offended by those totally ridiculous and narrow minded statements!
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Ok - I´ve read the whole topic. Admittedly not because I´m interested in the subject- I couldn´t care less about other peoples sexual orientation. But because I was interested in the reactions this topic would touch off.
After reading the comments, I don´t know what to say except from: it´s sad and moreover also alarming in some places!
The latent homophobia that comes under the guise of liberality here beggars all description. And in the last resort, when everything else fails, it´s the institution of the catholic church that has to serve as the universal scapegoat for the self-justification of stuffy opinions.
Bashing the catholic church unites in most cases, since only a few will defend it.
The last bastion, where a blanket judgement unites. An easy way not to occupy oneself with basic questions.
"Put the blame on Mame". :roll:
The bottom line is IF he dated (also) men, it´s now clear as daylight to me why he wouldn´t unburden himself in public. :cry:
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Some comments on this page really made my blood boil, so here's some Dutch directness, coming from first hand experience:
In July 1996 I got a heartbreaking phone call from my oldest sister, telling me that our cousin had committed suicide. Just a few years before, after struggling with himself for years because of all the prejudices planted in people's head by the church, the word of god and the holy books, my cousin came out of the closet as he couldn't live the lie anymore. My entire family had no problem at all with it, we were so happy for him for not having to hide anything anymore, and his boyfriend was welcomed into the family. They were a great couple, they loved each other wholeheartedly. Thinking back, I haven't witnessed such a pure and loving relationship again as the one they had.
For the next few years things appeared to be fine. They were considering adopting a child (yes, here in The Netherlands it's possible for gay couples to adopt children) and they were looking forward to same-sex marriage becoming legal in the Netherlands so that they could get married. They bought a house together and were about to move into it when, totally unexpected to all of us, the devastating news came.
My cousin jumped off a 14 stories building, and my aunt and uncle had to identify him by his watch, glasses and shoes. He left a long letter, in which he explained why he couldn't live on anymore. Despite the family and friends having no problems at all with his 'lifestyle' and the 'sexual gay act', he was still judged and condemned for being gay. Society assessed him as being 'not normal', and he kept running into prejudices, preventing him from leading a normal life. He was so tired of explaining and defending himself time after time again, he was tired of being hated for being gay, for being judged, for being called names, he just couldn't take it anymore, despite all the love and support he got from his boyfriend, his family and true friends.
I think I don't have to explain how devastated we all were and still are to this day by his death, and all he had to go through. His blood is on the hands of those who scream that god forbids homosexuality, who say that homosexuality is not normal and who say that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity. How DARE those people ruin the life of such a wonderful, caring and loving person as my cousin. Think about THIS story the next time you make statements about homosexuality. I am outraged and deeply offended by those totally ridiculous and narrow minded statements!
OMG Mo! :( It's so sad... I'm crying... :cry: :cry:
I'm so sorry for your family.. :cry:
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Some comments on this page really made my blood boil, so here's some Dutch directness, coming from first hand experience:
In July 1996 I got a heartbreaking phone call from my oldest sister, telling me that our cousin had committed suicide. Just a few years before, after struggling with himself for years because of all the prejudices planted in people's head by the church, the word of god and the holy books, my cousin came out of the closet as he couldn't live the lie anymore. My entire family had no problem at all with it, we were so happy for him for not having to hide anything anymore, and his boyfriend was welcomed into the family. They were a great couple, they loved each other wholeheartedly. Thinking back, I haven't witnessed such a pure and loving relationship again as the one they had.
For the next few years things appeared to be fine. They were considering adopting a child (yes, here in The Netherlands it's possible for gay couples to adopt children) and they were looking forward to same-sex marriage becoming legal in the Netherlands so that they could get married. They bought a house together and were about to move into it when, totally unexpected to all of us, the devastating news came.
My cousin jumped off a 14 stories building, and my aunt and uncle had to identify him by his watch, glasses and shoes. He left a long letter, in which he explained why he couldn't live on anymore. Despite the family and friends having no problems at all with his 'lifestyle' and the 'sexual gay act', he was still judged and condemned for being gay. Society assessed him as being 'not normal', and he kept running into prejudices, preventing him from leading a normal life. He was so tired of explaining and defending himself time after time again, he was tired of being hated for being gay, for being judged, for being called names, he just couldn't take it anymore, despite all the love and support he got from his boyfriend, his family and true friends.
I think I don't have to explain how devastated we all were and still are to this day by his death, and all he had to go through. His blood is on the hands of those who scream that god forbids homosexuality, who say that homosexuality is not normal and who say that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity. How DARE those people ruin the life of such a wonderful, caring and loving person as my cousin. Think about THIS story the next time you make statements about homosexuality. I am outraged and deeply offended by those totally ridiculous and narrow minded statements!
I'm so sorry that that happened in your family <3<3<3
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Big up to Debbie Rowe!
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Some comments on this page really made my blood boil, so here's some Dutch directness, coming from first hand experience:
In July 1996 I got a heartbreaking phone call from my oldest sister, telling me that our cousin had committed suicide. Just a few years before, after struggling with himself for years because of all the prejudices planted in people's head by the church, the word of god and the holy books, my cousin came out of the closet as he couldn't live the lie anymore. My entire family had no problem at all with it, we were so happy for him for not having to hide anything anymore, and his boyfriend was welcomed into the family. They were a great couple, they loved each other wholeheartedly. Thinking back, I haven't witnessed such a pure and loving relationship again as the one they had.
For the next few years things appeared to be fine. They were considering adopting a child (yes, here in The Netherlands it's possible for gay couples to adopt children) and they were looking forward to same-sex marriage becoming legal in the Netherlands so that they could get married. They bought a house together and were about to move into it when, totally unexpected to all of us, the devastating news came.
My cousin jumped off a 14 stories building, and my aunt and uncle had to identify him by his watch, glasses and shoes. He left a long letter, in which he explained why he couldn't live on anymore. Despite the family and friends having no problems at all with his 'lifestyle' and the 'sexual gay act', he was still judged and condemned for being gay. Society assessed him as being 'not normal', and he kept running into prejudices, preventing him from leading a normal life. He was so tired of explaining and defending himself time after time again, he was tired of being hated for being gay, for being judged, for being called names, he just couldn't take it anymore, despite all the love and support he got from his boyfriend, his family and true friends.
I think I don't have to explain how devastated we all were and still are to this day by his death, and all he had to go through. His blood is on the hands of those who scream that god forbids homosexuality, who say that homosexuality is not normal and who say that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity. How DARE those people ruin the life of such a wonderful, caring and loving person as my cousin. Think about THIS story the next time you make statements about homosexuality. I am outraged and deeply offended by those totally ridiculous and narrow minded statements!
oh my god, i'm so incredibly sorry. things like this make my heart break. your cousin is in heaven, i have no doubts about that. people need to understand that love doesn't have a gender. i'm straight, but i think homosexuality is beautiful because it's just another form of love. i hope as years pass, more people will get over the stigma of "being gay." i know when i have kids they will be taught that love is love. i hope more of my generation does the same so people don't feel like they need to take their lives to escape pain. again, i'm so sorry.
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This is the sort of thing that drives me up the wall. We live in a supposed modern world yet so many of us are so close minded- stuck in the 1800s. So many of us preach about love and spreading Michael's message but then proceed to tear someone apart due to the way he looks & his sexual orientation? If in fact this man made Michael happy, then we should be happy because Michael was happy. As fans, that's what we want, right? We want Michael to be happy. But I guess if this ruins your daydreams and fantasies about MJ then it just can't be. Michael would be horrified to be reading some of the things written here. This is why so many celebrities chose to keep their sexual orientation a secret. People JUDGE. Whether for religious reasons or personal convictions, people JUDGE. Criticize, attack, destroy-- just completely pick their lives apart. I can't blame Ricky Martin for keeping his private life a secret for so long. People still talked trash even after he came out. I don't know if I would have ever said anything at all. But he feels liberated now and he seems happy. God bless him.
Now, I am NOT saying I believe Jason. AT ALL. I don't. I have two reasons for doubting him. One, Jason's timing is off. He seems money hungry to me. This smells of Arnold Klein. Someone who truly loves Michael like he says he does wouldn't be revealing this to the media. He should know how much Michael values his privacy. And second and most importantly, Michael openly stated his heterosexuality MANY times. He said he loved women over & over again. We have seen Michael flirt & we've read his own accounts about the women in his life. That should be more than enough. He chose to address those rumors when he didn't have to. If he had never addressed this issue, I would have completely understood. But as usual, Michael can't catch a break.
Michael's word is final to me. I heard it come out of his mouth. That is all I need. His sexuality shouldn't even be up for debate. But even if the media continue to disrespect him as they always have, we cannot stoop down to their level. We don't know for sure why Jason is saying anything. Maybe he's playing his part in something else. Maybe not. We don't have all the facts yet. But he is still a person. Michael once said that he always tried to treat people with understanding and kindness. He said he tried to teach Prince and Paris the importance of not hurting other people's feelings and to love your neighbor as yourself. We apparently still have much to learn from Michael...
Great post! ;)
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This is the sort of thing that drives me up the wall. We live in a supposed modern world yet so many of us are so close minded- stuck in the 1800s. So many of us preach about love and spreading Michael's message but then proceed to tear someone apart due to the way he looks & his sexual orientation? If in fact this man made Michael happy, then we should be happy because Michael was happy. As fans, that's what we want, right? We want Michael to be happy. But I guess if this ruins your daydreams and fantasies about MJ then it just can't be. Michael would be horrified to be reading some of the things written here. This is why so many celebrities chose to keep their sexual orientation a secret. People JUDGE. Whether for religious reasons or personal convictions, people JUDGE. Criticize, attack, destroy-- just completely pick their lives apart. I can't blame Ricky Martin for keeping his private life a secret for so long. People still talked trash even after he came out. I don't know if I would have ever said anything at all. But he feels liberated now and he seems happy. God bless him.
Now, I am NOT saying I believe Jason. AT ALL. I don't. I have two reasons for doubting him. One, Jason's timing is off. He seems money hungry to me. This smells of Arnold Klein. Someone who truly loves Michael like he says he does wouldn't be revealing this to the media. He should know how much Michael values his privacy. And second and most importantly, Michael openly stated his heterosexuality MANY times. He said he loved women over & over again. We have seen Michael flirt & we've read his own accounts about the women in his life. That should be more than enough. He chose to address those rumors when he didn't have to. If he had never addressed this issue, I would have completely understood. But as usual, Michael can't catch a break.
Michael's word is final to me. I heard it come out of his mouth. That is all I need. His sexuality shouldn't even be up for debate. But even if the media continue to disrespect him as they always have, we cannot stoop down to their level. We don't know for sure why Jason is saying anything. Maybe he's playing his part in something else. Maybe not. We don't have all the facts yet. But he is still a person. Michael once said that he always tried to treat people with understanding and kindness. He said he tried to teach Prince and Paris the importance of not hurting other people's feelings and to love your neighbor as yourself. We apparently still have much to learn from Michael...
Great post! ;)
Fantastic post! I completely agree! :)
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tolerance /tlrns; NAmE tl/ noun
1 ~ (of / for sb/sth) the willingness to accept or tolerate sb/sth, especially opinions or behaviour that you may not agree with, or people who are not like you.
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I just wanna say, that i, personally don't have anythin' against gays, i love and respect them very much, they have all the rights to be treated well and to be cosidered normal members of society, it's really not right to criticize them or call bad names,they have the same rights as each of us,it's their life and only they have the right to decide how to live it.I just know that Mike was not gay, he was straight and loved women very much, as i have already mentioned about his personal driver and friend who was interviewed in my country after Mike's memorial, so he told a couple of stories about Mike's love for women, he told us when they were in London and when a hot woman would pass near, Mike would use some armenian words to talk about that woman with Gokor, so that, if his kids were near, could not understand what they were talking about, he wouls say "lavna che Gokor", which in english means:"isn't she hot Gokor", or he would call those hot women pretty fish ,so that the kids could not understand what they were talking about and the fact that he had a woman whom he loved very much and who had been near him for many years is not a secret but her identitiy is kept secret, and it's not heismypeterpen i think.
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This is the sort of thing that drives me up the wall. We live in a supposed modern world yet so many of us are so close minded- stuck in the 1800s. So many of us preach about love and spreading Michael's message but then proceed to tear someone apart due to the way he looks & his sexual orientation? If in fact this man made Michael happy, then we should be happy because Michael was happy. As fans, that's what we want, right? We want Michael to be happy. But I guess if this ruins your daydreams and fantasies about MJ then it just can't be. Michael would be horrified to be reading some of the things written here. This is why so many celebrities chose to keep their sexual orientation a secret. People JUDGE. Whether for religious reasons or personal convictions, people JUDGE. Criticize, attack, destroy-- just completely pick their lives apart. I can't blame Ricky Martin for keeping his private life a secret for so long. People still talked trash even after he came out. I don't know if I would have ever said anything at all. But he feels liberated now and he seems happy. God bless him.
Now, I am NOT saying I believe Jason. AT ALL. I don't. I have two reasons for doubting him. One, Jason's timing is off. He seems money hungry to me. This smells of Arnold Klein. Someone who truly loves Michael like he says he does wouldn't be revealing this to the media. He should know how much Michael values his privacy. And second and most importantly, Michael openly stated his heterosexuality MANY times. He said he loved women over & over again. We have seen Michael flirt & we've read his own accounts about the women in his life. That should be more than enough. He chose to address those rumors when he didn't have to. If he had never addressed this issue, I would have completely understood. But as usual, Michael can't catch a break.
Michael's word is final to me. I heard it come out of his mouth. That is all I need. His sexuality shouldn't even be up for debate. But even if the media continue to disrespect him as they always have, we cannot stoop down to their level. We don't know for sure why Jason is saying anything. Maybe he's playing his part in something else. Maybe not. We don't have all the facts yet. But he is still a person. Michael once said that he always tried to treat people with understanding and kindness. He said he tried to teach Prince and Paris the importance of not hurting other people's feelings and to love your neighbor as yourself. We apparently still have much to learn from Michael...
Great post! ;)
Fantastic post! I completely agree! :)
I agree with your post. Everyone has the right to be who they want to be and have whatever sexiality they want. That should never be up for debate but to constantly slam Michael and make these false accusations and claims is just sickening. Who is going to be there for him. Who WILL stand up for him. I will, I will!!!
Michael was not gay as he said himself. Like you said - he said it and that is good enough for me!!! It is just people that want to bring him down over and over again and they get a "high" by putting this BS out. Time for another talbloid trash burning party!!!!
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
We already know that Jason is lying, but are you implying that because he is in your words "a fat ugly pig", he is not worthy of love? :roll: We always talk not judging based on looks when we are defending Michael, but how come we don't apply that to others?
This is a real problem, especially on the gossip sites. However, because this is not a gossip site I expect us to hold ourselves to higher standard and not stoop to their level.
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
You know what....? I'M REALLY DISGUSTED.....
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He protects pedophiles yet preaches the word of god which apparently condemns homosexuality?
Give me a break :roll: :lol:
The Catholic Church = hypocricy & control, that's all I will say about it, before I will step on some people toes...
I have a serious opposition to the premise of the confessional to a human being. I take all my confessions to the host and it's kept between me and him. No man will I ever give the power to know all of my faults, sins, hurts, etc. They cannot cleanse me of any of them and who knows what their mindset is at any given moment? Priests are only human and not perfect. They have their own faults as we have seen over the years. God said confess to him that you might be forgiven your sins. He also said there shall be no other God's before Him. I follow those doctrines.
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I think people should start reading the whole thread before posting. You have been warned about saying bad things about people's appearance. There is no love in the world anymore, if people don't hate on one side, they hate on the other.
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
You, sherre34, should be ASHAMED of yourself. How DARE you call people "a fat ugly pig". Shame on you!
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
You, sherre34, should be ASHAMED of yourself. How DARE you call people "a fat ugly pig". Shame on you!
It's obvious they are projecting their own insecurities onto others. Sherre34, you should probably see a psychiatrist about that, sweetheart.
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He protects pedophiles yet preaches the word of god which apparently condemns homosexuality?
Give me a break :roll: :lol:
I know, right? :lol: :roll: :roll:
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
Sherre34, I think u need to THINK before you TYPE, srsly, cuz that is so bogus what u said. :roll: :cry: :( :evil:
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
Sherre34, I think u need to THINK before you TYPE, srsly, cuz that is so bogus what u said. :roll: :cry: :( :evil:
Before we totally hate in sherre34... lets cool the emotions and take a step back.
I think a lot of people out there are very angry with Klein and Jason for this one.. not because of what they have alledged, but because it is clearly a fabricated LIE. A lie when MJ does not have a voice.... except we are all his voice now.
Sherre34 may have got caught up in the anger and the emotion and stepped back into name calling because of this.
Please... lets love each other and not judge. XXX
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I am having the impression that some unnecessary negative emotions are coming back to the board.
It is not helpful IMHO to comment on other person's appearances since it is only their published appearance and not their true personality we are looking at.
It is not helpful IMHO to extend this thread to all injustices occuring in the world.
It is not helpful IMHO to bash on good and bad behaviour of representatives of religions or religions as such, either.
It would not be helpful either to extend the discussions to why there are U.S. troops authorizing child slavery in Haiti or why child soldiers are still killing people in central Africa or why Bangkok would be broke if the pedophiles of western developped countries would not bring their $$$.
Sometimes we tend to discuss the world here.
I think we should take all revelations on MJ's private matters with not only one but with two grains of salt. I don't care at all about what MJ did or did not do in his private 4 corners.
Thus everything that is a media "private matter disclosure" per se is a lie to me.
My OMGs and sighs are reserved for the degree of stupidity of media publications and for the audacity of their blatant lies only, hoping that - like in Europe - yellow press in the U.S. will go down in distribution success and reader perception soon.
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
That is no excuse at all. Like I said in the other thread that contains comments which made me stare at my screen in disbelief: Count to 10 before you post.
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
and that's not thinking....Try to leave your heart apart and start thinking...
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
and that's not thinking....Try to leave your heart apart and start thinking...
Some of us are just a little more emotional and passionate about things
I know though i know!!! ZIP ZIP!!!
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
That is no excuse at all. Like I said in the other thread that contains comments which made me stare at my screen in disbelief: Count to 10 before you post.
Yep and that's not the first time Sherre has posted that exact same kind of comment so I have a hard time believing we should chalk it up to anger.
Some people, MANY PEOPLE, are unable to come up with a more original line of insult than calling someone fat, disgusting, ugly, gay, etc. They paint themselves as lacking brainpower though, so it's all good. At least we can be confident in the fact that we are not so purely ignorant.
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Thinking with your heart instead of your head definately gets you in trouble!!!
That is no excuse at all. Like I said in the other thread that contains comments which made me stare at my screen in disbelief: Count to 10 before you post.
Yep and that's not the first time Sherre has posted that exact same kind of comment so I have a hard time believing we should chalk it up to anger.
Some people, MANY PEOPLE, are unable to come up with a more original line of insult than calling someone fat, disgusting, ugly, gay, etc. They paint themselves as lacking brainpower though, so it's all good. At least we can be confident in the fact that we are not so purely ignorant.
Absolutely and i dont condone what she said at all. Like Michael would say - "That is not nice!"
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Michael said on many occasions that he is not gay enough for me ;)
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
WOW. This is exactly what I was referring to in my earlier post. You cannot truly consider yourself a fan of Michael Jackson if you say such atrocities. That is a perfect example of everything Michael was against; of what he so long fought to bring an end to. I know we are all upset because people begin to fabricate lies about MJ when they need to boost their ratings, but this is not the worst they have said about Michael. We've been through the child molestation incident..this is nothing. We can deal with this. It is most probably a lie, but some of us are reacting like he has just been accused of murder or rape! There is no excuse for saying those things about Jason. Call him a liar if you want, but a fat, ugly pig? Come on, people. He is a PERSON. Some of you can be so cruel. Michael would be very hurt to hear you say things like that about Jason- even if they were just friends or acquaintances and not lovers. Where is that L.O.V.E., people? REMEMBER what Michael stands for. REMEMBER.
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Firstly, we all feel extremely sorry for your cousin.
Micheal was a gay, a bisexual or a straight should not be our discussion,right? Its his personal choice-It is how God has made his mind.
But some of these guys are saying they slept with Micheal after cross dressing.They are trying to establish the fact that Micheal was a transvestic fetishist.
And I dont think he was a Transvestic Fetishist ,just like he was never a pedophile.(Or rather in present tense)
This jerks wants to make money and fame,no matter how the way is.Do you know how they can be successful? Because,there are some people,who still thinks Micheal was (he is dead to them) a pedophile.I have seen just after 25th ,in some blogs ,such bad comments...Just See Wikipedia,you will get an image of "drug abuser" Micheal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Michael_Jackson))...I dont know who writes these things.
To me and all of us here,he IS an Angel,if not,a great person,at least.
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We've been through the child molestation incident..this is nothing.
Nothing? Think about yourself in this situation.I am going in front of your house and shouting "Dear come out,I wanna stay one night more with you" before your wife,mother,children neighbors.How it feels? I am not going to hurt you.Please understand.(Am a man and taking you as a man and you are a clean normal person,dont have any paraphilias)
We can deal with this.
We want to do that.But how?
There is no excuse for saying those things about Jason. Call him a liar if you want, but a fat, ugly pig? Come on, people. He is a PERSON. Some of you can be so cruel. Michael would be very hurt to hear you say things like that about Jason- even if they were just friends or acquaintances and not lovers. Where is that L.O.V.E., people? REMEMBER what Michael stands for. REMEMBER.
I second you.Calling somebody pig,fat is not really god.But what they did? They are angels? Do you remember Micheal's face and eyes in the interview,when he was asked about sleeping with little boys? Was not there anger? Its normal.
If you and I had no such relation (as the given example above),how your mom,dad,childs,wife and friends feel about me then?
I can feel you,you are a nice person.But these people are not good at all! They are defaming Micheal and making money (+ some fame).
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
Sherre34, I think u need to THINK before you TYPE, srsly, cuz that is so bogus what u said. :roll: :cry: :( :evil:
Before we totally hate in sherre34... lets cool the emotions and take a step back.
I think a lot of people out there are very angry with Klein and Jason for this one.. not because of what they have alledged, but because it is clearly a fabricated LIE. A lie when MJ does not have a voice.... except we are all his voice now.
Sherre34 may have got caught up in the anger and the emotion and stepped back into name calling because of this.
Please... lets love each other and not judge. XXX
I agree. Judging won't help.
I hope I didn't sound too harsh there, because sometimes even I speak before I think, lol. :lol: :lol:
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We've been through the child molestation incident..this is nothing.
Nothing? Think about yourself in this situation.I am going in front of your house and shouting "Dear come out,I wanna stay one night more with you" before your wife,mother,children neighbors.How it feels? I am not going to hurt you.Please understand.(Am a man and taking you as a man and you are a clean normal person,dont have any paraphilias)
We can deal with this.
We want to do that.But how?
There is no excuse for saying those things about Jason. Call him a liar if you want, but a fat, ugly pig? Come on, people. He is a PERSON. Some of you can be so cruel. Michael would be very hurt to hear you say things like that about Jason- even if they were just friends or acquaintances and not lovers. Where is that L.O.V.E., people? REMEMBER what Michael stands for. REMEMBER.
I second you.Calling somebody pig,fat is not really god.But what they did? They are angels? Do you remember Micheal's face and eyes in the interview,when he was asked about sleeping with little boys? Was not there anger? Its normal.
If you and I had no such relation (as the given example above),how your mom,dad,childs,wife and friends feel about me then?
I can feel you,you are a nice person.But these people are not good at all! They are defaming Micheal and making money (+ some fame).
I understand what you are saying. When I said this was nothing, I meant that this rumor is nothing compared to the pedophile rumors that completely broke Michael. He was never the same after those accusations. Those were truly truly vile lies that completely destroyed this man's life. Michael has been accused of being gay and having gay lovers even before his 'death' - Liberace's lover is one example - and Michael ignored this. Sure, lies of any nature are wrong and completely disrespectful but I think the way people have been responding to this is uncalled for. There is no need to attack someone's physique or say hateful things about homosexuals. Saying that homosexuality is a sin or abnormal is, in my opinion, hateful. That is uneccesary.
There are ways to deal with this without being so harsh and tabloid-esque. In a way, this is already being dealt with. Debbie & someone(?) else approached the media & the second part of this interview was never aired. The estate is also threatening to sue. These lies are being shut down. Even TMZ's Harvey is skeptical. I honestly believe the truth eventually prevails. We can continue to fight for Michael and justice for him by sending e-mails, tweets, what have you- but we don't need to disrespect anybody. Just because they disrespect Michael does not mean it is okay for us to do so in return. Let's not be hypocrites. We need to be kinder with our words. I know sometimes we are caught in the moment & our frustration, but this is a public forum and we don't know how many members might be offended by this. I would hate to see any of our members hurt by these comments- whether it is because of the fat or gay remarks. With spoken word it is easier to slip up and speak out of anger. But there is more than enough time to think before typing something out. I know I try to.
I know many of us have good intentions but we need to be more sensitive & think about how we may be affecting others. I believe in a more... divine (for lack of a better word) justice. Like the sun, the truth will eventually shine and the liars and perpetrators will get what's coming to them when the time is right. Til then, I try not to judge. Like Michael said, "Don't judge someone until you have spoke to them face to face." Such a wise man he is...
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We've been through the child molestation incident..this is nothing.
Nothing? Think about yourself in this situation.I am going in front of your house and shouting "Dear come out,I wanna stay one night more with you" before your wife,mother,children neighbors.How it feels? I am not going to hurt you.Please understand.(Am a man and taking you as a man and you are a clean normal person,dont have any paraphilias)
We can deal with this.
We want to do that.But how?
There is no excuse for saying those things about Jason. Call him a liar if you want, but a fat, ugly pig? Come on, people. He is a PERSON. Some of you can be so cruel. Michael would be very hurt to hear you say things like that about Jason- even if they were just friends or acquaintances and not lovers. Where is that L.O.V.E., people? REMEMBER what Michael stands for. REMEMBER.
I second you.Calling somebody pig,fat is not really god.But what they did? They are angels? Do you remember Micheal's face and eyes in the interview,when he was asked about sleeping with little boys? Was not there anger? Its normal.
If you and I had no such relation (as the given example above),how your mom,dad,childs,wife and friends feel about me then?
I can feel you,you are a nice person.But these people are not good at all! They are defaming Micheal and making money (+ some fame).
I understand what you are saying. When I said this was nothing, I meant that this rumor is nothing compared to the pedophile rumors that completely broke Michael. He was never the same after those accusations. Those were truly truly vile lies that completely destroyed this man's life. Michael has been accused of being gay and having gay lovers even before his 'death' - Liberace's lover is one example - and Michael ignored this. Sure, lies of any nature are wrong and completely disrespectful but I think the way people have been responding to this is uncalled for. There is no need to attack someone's physique or say hateful things about homosexuals. Saying that homosexuality is a sin or abnormal is, in my opinion, hateful. That is uneccesary.
There are ways to deal with this without being so harsh and tabloid-esque. In a way, this is already being dealt with. Debbie & someone(?) else approached the media & the second part of this interview was never aired. The estate is also threatening to sue. These lies are being shut down. Even TMZ's Harvey is skeptical. I honestly believe the truth eventually prevails. We can continue to fight for Michael and justice for him by sending e-mails, tweets, what have you- but we don't need to disrespect anybody. Just because they disrespect Michael does not mean it is okay for us to do so in return. Let's not be hypocrites. We need to be kinder with our words. I know sometimes we are caught in the moment & our frustration, but this is a public forum and we don't know how many members might be offended by this. I would hate to see any of our members hurt by these comments- whether it is because of the fat or gay remarks. With spoken word it is easier to slip up and speak out of anger. But there is more than enough time to think before typing something out. I know I try to.
I know many of us have good intentions but we need to be more sensitive & think about how we may be affecting others. I believe in a more... divine (for lack of a better word) justice. Like the sun, the truth will eventually shine and the liars and perpetrators will get what's coming to them when the time is right. Til then, I try not to judge. Like Michael said, "Don't judge someone until you have spoke to them face to face." Such a wise man he is...
There is so much awesomeness in this reply! Thank you! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/a010-1.gif)
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is this guy jason
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@ NYMoonwalker
I am sorry my friend.I did misunderstand you.
What a nice writing to explain the things...fantastic.
We do have many other things to do and think...
L.O.V.E. for you <3 <3
@the arabian nights
I saw your post after submitting the above...
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There is so much awesomeness in this reply! Thank you! (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxdeath.net/forum/images/smilies/a010-1.gif)
No, thank you for listening! Much L.O.V.E
is this guy jason
I don't think so. To me, this person appears to be a bit older & just..different. I'd like to see what other people think though.
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Twisting my words is in order to make your point is not the way to do so.
I'm used to 'Hollandse nuchterheid' so you can say whatever you like.
@ *Mo*, its horrible what your cousin and your family had to go through. I'm sorry to hear that.
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
You know what....? I'M REALLY DISGUSTED.....
Please, everyone. Let's not retaliate with more of the same. When we do that it's like hitting your child in order to teach them not to hit their sibling. What message is really being relayed?
Love is patient, love is kind. Love is not envious, boastful, nor proud....love believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love conquers all. Love is like a blanket that covers a person. How much more is it appreciated and needed than when the person is cold and alone.
Mo, I'm deeply sorry for the pain your cousin suffered as well as your family.
It's not our place to judge others. Blessings to each of you on this Lord's Day.
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Sigh... No I think it's better to stop this discussion right here, I might get a headache.
Typical lack of understanding and arguments...
Oh don't temp me, I have arguments enough, but that discussion is not being held in this thread. In some cases it's better to take a step back and bang your head against the wall, than to say what you really want to say. This is one of those moments.
And believe me, you don't want to be introduced to "Dutch directness" when it comes to this subject.
Twisting my words is in order to make your point is not the way to do so.
I'm used to Hollandse nuchterheid so if you want to say anything, be my guest.
@ *Mo*, its horrible what your cousin and your family had to go trough. I'm sorry to hear that.
Like I said, that discussion is not being held in this thread, what part didn't you understand? This pisses me off in a way that if I begin to reply, I will have to ban myself afterwards.
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is this guy jason
My opinion, no, this isn't Jason. This person's video shouldn't be spread. He doesn't preach true love and repentance from God. He's very judgmental and his zeal is misguided. Blessings.
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Wow, threads like these always make me kind of, I don't know, sad... I know many of you mean well when you say "you have nothing against gays" or "you have gay friends but don't agree with this and that", but why do you then talk about homosexual people as "them"? Why do people distinguish "us" and "them"? White, black, gay, hetero, Jewish, Muslim, fat, short, when will people truly understand that we are all the same?!
We should remind ourselves that everyday. Everyone deserves to be respected and loved.
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Wow, threads like these always make me kind of, I don't know, sad... I know many of you mean well when you say "you have nothing against gays" or "you have gay friends but don't agree with this and that", but why do you then talk about homosexual people as "them"? Why do people distinguish "us" and "them"? White, black, gay, hetero, Jewish, Muslim, fat, short, when will people truly understand that we are all the same?!
We should remind ourselves that everyday. Everyone deserves to be respected and loved.
A+ :)
I believe love and attraction is genderless. I guess they call that "pansexuality" these days, I'm not really too hip to the lingo. Love is beautiful in ALL forms and is a thing to be celebrated.
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I believe love and attraction is genderless. I guess they call that "pansexuality" these days, I'm not really too hip to the lingo. Love is beautiful in ALL forms and is a thing to be celebrated.
Yep. Don't worry. :lol:
Pansexual is right, and being one myself, I'm glad there are people out there that understsand that love shouldn't be held back because someone else's morals or religion tell you not to. Love IS beautiful, and should be celebrated and practiced. I know this has been said many times before, but this Jason guy shouldn't be attacked because of his sexual orientation or appearance, but his character. (Cheesy, I know)
On the other hand, this guy shouldn't be treated fairly either. He is damaging Michael's reputation, something that is obviously really important to him. This foo deserves all the annoyance he is getting from Michael's fans. Every bit of it. That doesn't mean we should be totally rude, ignorant, and prejudice.
To the person that posted the original hateful comment, I understand you were mad at the moment, and should be forgiven for that. I do that sometimers too. ;)
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Big up to Debbie Rowe!
Well-said, DancingTheDream! Forgot to send love to Debbie Rowe last night on the boards. God bless you, Debbie. God bless you, DancingTheDream. It is all for L.O.V.E. xxxx
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why are we still talking about this man. He is a liar and there is no way michael would be a lover for a fat ugly pig like this Jason guy.and remember arnie tried many times to get money from Michael's estate. This is more of a money not Michael is gay or maybe arnie is afraid he may be charged too with Michael's murder and Him and Jason plot this lie to back in the news. :?
You know what....? I'M REALLY DISGUSTED.....
Please, everyone. Let's not retaliate with more of the same. When we do that it's like hitting your child in order to teach them not to hit their sibling. What message is really being relayed?
Love is patient, love is kind. Love is not envious, boastful, nor proud....love believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love conquers all. Love is like a blanket that covers a person. How much more is it appreciated and needed than when the person is cold and alone.
Mo, I'm deeply sorry for the pain your cousin suffered as well as your family.
It's not our place to judge others. Blessings to each of you on this Lord's Day.
Love is patient, love is kind. Love is not envious, boastful, nor proud....love believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love conquers all. Love is like a blanket that covers a person. How much more is it appreciated and needed than when the person is cold and alone.
Your words are just awe-inspiring. Thank you for touching my heart and bringing tears to my eyes. Thank you for your love on the Lord's Day. Thank you for simply expressing the great message : L.O.V.E. God bless you for your insight! xxxx
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I didn´t follow the whole thread... just one little clip to remain from his mouth.
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Aw in that clip right at the end he does that little smile and nod the head reminds me of Paris's speech at the grammy awards, she did something very similar cute! :)
I don't know if this has come up already but having watched Jermaine's reaction to what klein and Jason have been up I think Jason and Klein are out to smear Michael's name. I don't know how much they know like if they know he is alive or whatever but I don't think its just about money. I don't understand how it all surfaced in August and has come back up again - for what reason? Also I think its deeply suspicious that Jason is a CEO of a medical organisation.
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Aw in that clip right at the end he does that little smile and nod the head reminds me of Paris's speech at the grammy awards, she did something very similar cute! :)
I don't know if this has come up already but having watched Jermaine's reaction to what klein and Jason have been up I think Jason and Klein are out to smear Michael's name. I don't know how much they know like if they know he is alive or whatever but I don't think its just about money. I don't understand how it all surfaced in August and has come back up again - for what reason? Also I think its deeply suspicious that Jason is a CEO of a medical organisation.
If you look at Klein's website it says right on there that Jason is the CEO of Klein's business. http://www.drarnoldklein.com/office-staff (http://www.drarnoldklein.com/office-staff)
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A person's sexuality is their own business. It is their right to talk about it if they want to - nobody else should ever do that.
This man is either a liar, part of the hoax (unlikely) or an opportunistic jerk who had a relationship with someone who he knew kept his private life private and is now stabbing him in the back for a moment's attention.
That's not 'love'.
agree with you 100%
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Last year in august this story came out the first time .:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... lover.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2599439/Jason-Pfeiffer-claims-he-was-Jackos-gay-lover.html)
Since then we has to learn that all the tabloids, gossips are writing garbage ! We shall know !
Was this a test who the ppl reacting now ?
I think there was nothing changed....the one who took every little thing to talk bad, they forget what they said last year and...the story repeat it self....
When i think that TMZ has put this story again up...whow....isn't it a kind of recycling garbadge :lol: :lol: :lol:
Take old garbadge and make new garbadge from...but this was better not recycled...
It should be forbidden for the media to write about the sexuality of the celebs....it's always not easy to handle for the whole family, true or not true.
And it was nothing we must know, especialy judge it...
A must think what MJ said once :
Before you judge me try hard to love me...it's all for love ! ;)
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Aw in that clip right at the end he does that little smile and nod the head reminds me of Paris's speech at the grammy awards, she did something very similar cute! :)
I don't know if this has come up already but having watched Jermaine's reaction to what klein and Jason have been up I think Jason and Klein are out to smear Michael's name. I don't know how much they know like if they know he is alive or whatever but I don't think its just about money. I don't understand how it all surfaced in August and has come back up again - for what reason? Also I think its deeply suspicious that Jason is a CEO of a medical organisation.
I agree I really think something went down between MJ and Arnie Klein. I think he does have a personal vendetta against MJ and is out to smear his name. Remember after the 25th of June Klein was trying to say that he wanted to be a part of MJ's kids lives. I heard this somewhere but I don't quite remember where. I also remember the media questioning if he was the biological father to Prince and Paris and he was acting all weird about it. I think he said there may have been a possibility because he donated sperm before but he wasn't certain. I personally think that if MJ was on any drug Arnie Klein was the one to introduce MJ to some stuff. He's a doctor so he would know different types of medications and what they can do. Anyway I have a feeling that things went sour with them and I think Arnie is mad about the MJ kid situation as well. I'm hoping that if Arnie Klein is a shady character that he will be brought down. It would be something if it turned out that MJ was indeed alive and they were out to bring Klein down and others who are associated with him. I think Jason and Klein fabricated this whole story in my opinion. They don't have any proof to back it up as a fact only a few photos that don't prove nothing. Even Joe has come to his son's defense to say that he's not gay. Last night I was watching Chelsea Lately on E! channel and they were making fun of MJ and this story. Sad that people still are making fun of him.
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Absolutely apparently Klein has been a doctor to Michael since 1984 and has openly admitted to giving him demerol on several occasions - why knowing Michael was either in a fragile state or already addicted to certain drugs would you then administer something that is not only highly addictive but has major side effects and reacts badly with other similar drugs? Makes no sense.
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Absolutely apparently Klein has been a doctor to Michael since 1984 and has openly admitted to giving him demerol on several occasions - why knowing Michael was either in a fragile state or already addicted to certain drugs would you then administer something that is not only highly addictive but has major side effects and reacts badly with other similar drugs? Makes no sense.
is there a such thing a dr abuse? or patient abuse or something? to think of MJ trusting his life with this man and all along he was the cause of most of his problems. I KNEW I SAW WICKEDNESS IN HIS FACE THE FIRST TIME I SAW HIM ON LKL...
okay anybody 1 question. did MJ visit ak before his 60 mins interview? He was definitely out of it for that one. I remember wanting to jump in front of the tv so (whoever I was watching it with) i could block the tv screen. Wow so he's been MJ doctor all along? he is cruel, careless and deceptive. he seems like someone else who should be giving MJ's $$$ back, for lack of quality medical attention / abuse or malpractice or something! Wow he was so ready for the spotlight the minute MJ passed, ready to run his mouth like a lil bitch...
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I would like to sincerely apologize to to the forum for my remarks about the man that says he was Micheal's gay lover. I did refer to him as a "Pig" and also a "Fat Ass"
It was not my intention to offend anyone. I am not a judge mental person although it did sound that way. I do not care what someone looks like. I am interested in the content of their character not appearances. I was extremely angry and typed out the post before I thought it through. I am not a racist, bigot, or homophobic person. However, I do see red when someone attacks one that I love so dearly. This is no excuse and I make no excuse for what or how I behaved in that post. I am human and do make mistakes. So I am humbled now and ask the forgiveness of anyone I may have hurt with my words. That is the last thing I would ever do.
Thank You for hearing me out.
WendyE
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I like how he adds in that they talked about their childhoods and cried... as if that gives complete validation to his claims because we all know michael will openly cry about his childhood.
This is so pathetic.
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Very good observation, Game Player, that's a detail that all fans know. ;)
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I like how he adds in that they talked about their childhoods and cried... as if that gives complete validation to his claims because we all know michael will openly cry about his childhood.
This is so pathetic.
yes it is. This dude was probaly putting to much into it...... oh God :? when I think of this Jason, I get such ugly pics in my head.
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I would like to sincerely apologize to to the forum for my remarks about the man that says he was Micheal's gay lover. I did refer to him as a "Pig" and also a "Fat Ass"
It was not my intention to offend anyone. I am not a judge mental person although it did sound that way. I do not care what someone looks like. I am interested in the content of their character not appearances. I was extremely angry and typed out the post before I thought it through. I am not a racist, bigot, or homophobic person. However, I do see red when someone attacks one that I love so dearly. This is no excuse and I make no excuse for what or how I behaved in that post. I am human and do make mistakes. So I am humbled now and ask the forgiveness of anyone I may have hurt with my words. That is the last thing I would ever do.
Thank You for hearing me out.
WendyE
We're all human but I for one respect people that can apologize and admit when they're wrong, so well said ;) . It's funny what love does to you, it brings out all of our emotions...
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WendyE, the human beings sometimes we commit mistakes, to rectify it belongs to wise persons :)
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Watch out for Omar Bhatti.. rumour is he is about to lie about being abused by Michael. This is the buzz at the moment.
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Watch out for Omar Bhatti.. rumour is he is about to lie about being abused by Michael. This is the buzz at the moment.
This is true! Haven't you heard the latest gossip?
Arnie was molested too, and Prince is gay.
:lol: :roll:
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DancingTheDream ,.! That! Where you listened to it... :geek:
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Watch out for Omar Bhatti.. rumour is he is about to lie about being abused by Michael. This is the buzz at the moment.
This is true! Haven't you heard the latest gossip?
Arnie was molested too, and Prince is gay.
:lol: :roll:
Im just telling you... he will turn to the tabloids. Another attack is imminent.
Why roll the eyes?? Want me to keep shut from now on and not let the forum know what the buzz is??
Ok.
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DancingTheDream ,.! That! Where you listened to it... :geek:
Its going around on twitter and on forums and FB... dont know if its true, but it could be. Time will tell.
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I hope that it is it, only a rumor :geek:
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Im just telling you... he will turn to the tabloids. Another attack is imminent.
Why roll the eyes?? Want me to keep shut from now on and not let the forum know what the buzz is??
Ok.
Ummm.. I thought It was a joke.
Chill out. ;)
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If this happens then I'm of the opinion that the media is being set up big time for the ultimate fall.
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Dancing the Dream...I am so afraid you are right about Omer....I have heard this too....it sounds like he was banished from Hayvenhurst and has left the country over it....that would fit....I'm hearing that his father is in on it too...watch out, People...this is about to go to a whole new level of Hell....and Michael isn't here to defend himself this time....Oh...My...God....please don't let all of this go there....but again, I REPEAT>....FOLLOW THE MONEY....Money is driving everything about this....the exponential increase in Michael's worth and turn of events since his death could not even have been predicted by Michael himself...we've been at this so long that I think most of us have forgotten that Michael was virtually Persona Non Grata before he died....only in Death has he been given his due...and this is bringing out the worst in so many....MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL...that's not only is this written in the Bible, I believe, but it has got to be one of the truest statements ever made period....FOLLOW THE MONEY....and Omer? Don't go there, Man....don't forget what Michael meant to you....if someone has gotten to you and is paying you to say these things...it's not to late to do the right thing....biological or not, Michael was a father figure in your life...he loved you like a father...that was a gift...don't do this to Michael, I BEG YOU!!! And People....think of it this way...what would the ABSOLUTE WORST THING BE THAT COULD HAPPEN TO MICHAEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME? Yes....yet another sex abuse charge....
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Dancing the Dream...I am so afraid you are right about Omer....I have heard this too....it sounds like he was banished from Hayvenhurst and has left the country over it....that would fit....I'm hearing that his father is in on it too...watch out, People...this is about to go to a whole new level of Hell....and Michael isn't here to defend himself this time....Oh...My...God....please don't let all of this go there....but again, I REPEAT>....FOLLOW THE MONEY....Money is driving everything about this....the exponential increase in Michael's worth and turn of events since his death could not even have been predicted by Michael himself...we've been at this so long that I think most of us have forgotten that Michael was virtually Persona Non Grata before he died....only in Death has he been given his due...and this is bringing out the worst in so many....MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL...that's not only is this written in the Bible, I believe, but it has got to be one of the truest statements ever made period....FOLLOW THE MONEY....and Omer? Don't go there, Man....don't forget what Michael meant to you....if someone has gotten to you and is paying you to say these things...it's not to late to do the right thing....biological or not, Michael was a father figure in your life...he loved you like a father...that was a gift...don't do this to Michael, I BEG YOU!!! And People....think of it this way...what would the ABSOLUTE WORST THING BE THAT COULD HAPPEN TO MICHAEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME? Yes....yet another sex abuse charge...
I'll admit I'm really worried about this Omer thing too. As others have said, so many people already believe the allegations that have already swirled - what's going to happen if it comes up with Omer, who we've all seen with Michael so many times over so many years? I'm trying to keep a level head and keep myself thinking "naw he wouldn't do that" but really? Most people would do literally anything for money.
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Dancing the Dream...I am so afraid you are right about Omer....I have heard this too....it sounds like he was banished from Hayvenhurst and has left the country over it....that would fit....I'm hearing that his father is in on it too...watch out, People...this is about to go to a whole new level of Hell....and Michael isn't here to defend himself this time....Oh...My...God....please don't let all of this go there....but again, I REPEAT>....FOLLOW THE MONEY....Money is driving everything about this....the exponential increase in Michael's worth and turn of events since his death could not even have been predicted by Michael himself...we've been at this so long that I think most of us have forgotten that Michael was virtually Persona Non Grata before he died....only in Death has he been given his due...and this is bringing out the worst in so many....MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL...that's not only is this written in the Bible, I believe, but it has got to be one of the truest statements ever made period....FOLLOW THE MONEY....and Omer? Don't go there, Man....don't forget what Michael meant to you....if someone has gotten to you and is paying you to say these things...it's not to late to do the right thing....biological or not, Michael was a father figure in your life...he loved you like a father...that was a gift...don't do this to Michael, I BEG YOU!!! And People....think of it this way...what would the ABSOLUTE WORST THING BE THAT COULD HAPPEN TO MICHAEL AT THIS POINT IN TIME? Yes....yet another sex abuse charge....
Where the heck is this rumor about Omer even coming from first of all? I was just looking at Omer's new web page and his facebook and he got fan photos of MJ on there. There's even a pic of Omer wearing MJ's jacket recently on the facebook page. Here's the link to his Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/O-Bee/158881902915 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/O-Bee/158881902915). On his web page he has photos on one of the sections of photos it says Omer Michael J Bhatti. He would not do that to MJ. I don't believe that. I believe he love him and has the utmost respect for him. Omer consider MJ to be his father biological or not. You can even ask him questions on the web site and he responds to them. He even answered someones question about the paparazzi and if it bothers him. He said that he rises above that. He also answered one of his question about learning to dance he said he was taught by the master refering to MJ. So what would Omer gain by exploiting MJ? Here's the web site. http://www.obeebrazil.com.br/ (http://www.obeebrazil.com.br/) There is definitely a lot of lies coming out now for some reason. This don't even make any sense. Omer could have used MJ's name to get ahead in the music business a long time ago but he didn't. He said he's never even approached a reacord label. He basically does everything on his own merit. He uses Youtube alot to get his music out there. Omer is cool in my book so far.
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missteetee34...I totally hear what you are saying and I pray that you are right...on one level, it is absolutely INCONCEIVABLE that Omer would betray MJ in this despicable way...a man who was his surrogate father, for all intents and purposes....but we are talking about another level here....a level where money talks louder than loyalty....where people are threatened...where family men are committing suicide or being threatened and killed....FOLLOW THE MONEY...people might be doing things they NEVER thought they would do or be capable of....I have seen video of Peter Lopez speaking....he seemed like a fair-minded, intelligent, loyal and UNDEPRESSED man whom one would never dream capable of suicide....and yet, he IS dead and suicide is what it is PRESUMED to be....nothing is as it seems...nothing is as it should be....people are acting desperately for a reason...I ask you to consider what that reason might be....but again, I pray that all of this about Omer is simply a rumor that won't come to pass....for if and when it does, the shit will hit the fan in a way we can't even imagine....this would be the often-rumored "love child" of Michael's coming forth to spew the lie that won't die...and it would feed into the HIStory and completely dismantle all the positive vibe that has surrounded Michael since he died...if this does happen, and again...I PRAY IT DOESN'T!....it is proof positive to me that Someone is really playing hard ball with Michael....this is some Serious Shit we're talking about...this is Balls to the Wall Time....there isn't even a word in the English language to describe how low this could be going...if this happens, I hope you will consider what I am saying....black is white...white is black...this is Good Vs. Evil Stuff....and nobody has more at stake than Michael Jackson..be it the Man or The Legacy...and ultimately, it will be his children who will pay the dearest price....God Bless Them right now....and Katherine....and any Family members who are on the right side of this....my best to you! I admire your Faith!
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Uh Oh: This kinda explains the TMZ report where Harvey said Omer "left that house and he Ain't goin back",Remember That? (He said Omer had left the country!) I Knew there was something strange about the way Harvey said that. Maybe someone approached Omer about making false claims for $ and that's why he had to "disappear", maybe he was threatened to make these claims and had to flee for his safety?
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you know, i seriously don't get people sometimes. i just can't see how you can sell someone out that you claimed you loved. and i know you all say it's for money. but money is nothing but paper with some society giving it meaning. i think the real thing is about power. "survival of the fittest" kind of thing, but in a very, very shallow way. i just hope omer has better sense than this. i saw what michael went through from a distance. he was close up. i believe we all are innately good, we just get lost sometimes. if this rumor is true, i hope omer finds his way back over to humanity and stays away from the dogs.
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If this happens then I'm of the opinion that the media is being set up big time for the ultimate fall.
You are reading my mind!
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I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
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I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
can u please provide the link n where did u read it from buddy....
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If this happens then I'm of the opinion that the media is being set up big time for the ultimate fall.
You are reading my mind!
Well,I hope this won't happen...but if it does,what if the public react like the Jason Pfeiffer story :? ,poeple will be offend that Michael isn't there to defend himself...IDK...I just pray Omer won't do this :(...I'm scared...
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I don't have the link nor can I confirm if the rumor is true. Someone in this thread a few pages back mentioned that Omer is rumored to be on the verge of making molestation accusations against MJ. The rumors seem to have popped up out of nowhere. :(
I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
can u please provide the link n where did u read it from buddy....
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I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
Right, it must be a rumor...gotta be :shock:
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I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
hi stranger from where it is circulating
Right, it must be a rumor...gotta be :shock:
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I seriously think this gossip about Omer is pure speculation and took it as a joke.
You guys are listening to the buzz again. I'm sure they're just rumors.
Anyways, if this is true, who will he have left in the world? Ruining his life this young with a lie?
Also, as said before, I think the media would finally fall if this went through.
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I hope the rumor about Omer making accusations is false. Granted, I have suspected for some time that another accusation would surface. Think about it, haters exist whether MJ is around or not. There is the respectful period after someone "dies" and then business as usual. I just wasn't sure from which direction the accusation would come.
If the rumor is true, I wonder what swayed Omer to take this on since it was such a sore spot with MJ. It really makes no sense either because the Jacksons seemed to have taken Omer in as a part of the family. I'd rather he lie and say he was MJs son than to drag MJs name through the pedophile mud again.
BTW- how the heck does something of this serious nature just happen to leak out on social networking sites? That isn't a small twitter or facebook update to share with the world. Suspicious...
hi stranger from where it is circulating
Right, it must be a rumor...gotta be :shock:
I think I read it in the thread where "Heismypeterpan" mentioned it-she claimed it was gonna happen.
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I seriously think this gossip about Omer is pure speculation and took it as a joke.
You guys are listening to the buzz again. I'm sure they're just rumors.
Anyways, if this is true, who will he have left in the world? Ruining his life this young with a lie?
Also, as said before, I think the media would finally fall if this went through.
Yeah, it must be speculation.
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Just curious...since I may be missing something. It's Friday and has been a long week. :) :?:
Why is there the belief that the media would fall if this rumored accusation occurs? My fear is that ...IF ...another molestation accusation occurs involving Omer or anyone else that the media and general public might immediately believe the accusor. Three times to be charged with the same crime? Baseball...three strikes and you're out. The respectful grace period for MJ by the media ends around June 25, 2010 so after that it will be business as usual. They then will willingly report scandalous news to generate tv ratings and sell tabloid papers. Side note: I have believed that another accusation would pop up to flush MJ out.
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Uh Oh: This kinda explains the TMZ report where Harvey said Omer "left that house and he Ain't goin back",Remember That? (He said Omer had left the country!) I Knew there was something strange about the way Harvey said that. Maybe someone approached Omer about making false claims for $ and that's why he had to "disappear", maybe he was threatened to make these claims and had to flee for his safety?
THE WHOLE THING SEEMS LIKE CALM BEFORE STORM :( MJ HONEY WHERE R U....
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ALL THESE PEOPLE R MJ ACCUSING MJ OF HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE THESE MAY PRETTY WELL KNOW THAT M IS ALIVE N WANNA BRING HIM OUT FROM HIDING JUST LIKE PEOPLE BLOW SMOKE AT BEEHIVES TO BRING THEM OUT...........
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Just curious...since I may be missing something. It's Friday and has been a long week. :) :?:
Why is there the belief that the media would fall if this rumored accusation occurs? My fear is that ...IF ...another molestation accusation occurs involving Omer or anyone else that the media and general public might immediately believe the accusor. Three times to be charged with the same crime? Baseball...three strikes and you're out. The respectful grace period for MJ by the media ends around June 25, 2010 so after that it will be business as usual. They then will willingly report scandalous news to generate tv ratings and sell tabloid papers. Side note: I have believed that another accusation would pop up to flush MJ out.
The only option could be that the RUMOR would be published by the media. See how we are discussing this, but yet no one has heard Omer about it. If they would publish it while it is only just a rumor, and Omer would come out saying he never ever claimed that, the media will have a lot to explain.
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Plus this would finally confirm that Omer is family.
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Omer make Assuming that complaint. I would ask why wait that long, you never said it to someone in your family?, why did not in the period in which these allegations were made, would have been a great scandal .. Will this become in a great industry to get money at all costs. I hope this is a just a rumor. :geek:
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Plus this would finally confirm that Omer is family.
Well, I don't know if Omer has the DNA test to back up his claim but Omer has changed his name and has opened a new My Sopace account calling himself Michael's first son.
http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonfirstson190
Here is his old My Space Account
http://www.myspace.com/o-beeprfans
Hopefully the article (url below) that describes Omer telling the J3 kids that Michael sent Omer to take care of them is tabloid junk. Scary if true and no surprise that Omer was asked to leave Hayvenhurst.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1541078.php/Omer-Bhatti-moves-in-with-Jacksons
We will have to wait and see if Omer has DNA evidence to back up his claim of Michael's first son. In any event, Omer's psychological well-being seems to be at risk so it is probably better for him to be back in Olso with his parents.
Sad.
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http://www.myspace.com/o-beeprfans (http://www.myspace.com/o-beeprfans) was never Omer's official page, it even says:
HI EVERYONE!, I'M A FAN OF O-Bee OF Puerto Rico. MY MISSION WAS AND IS TO CREATE THE FIRST FAN PAGE OF O-Bee IN Puerto Rico. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I DON'T HAVE CONTACT WITH O-Bee IN ANY WAY. I'M ONLY A FAN.
http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonfirstson190 (http://www.myspace.com/michaeljacksonfirstson190) says:
Im NOT THE REAL OMER IM JUST A ROLEPLAYER =FAN AND FAN SITE! IM NOT POSING AT ALL
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I'm not really sure what I think about all that, to be honest.
I was surprised to find this though.
This is not the first time Omer changed his name. When he moved to America and Michael Jackson's Neverland estate adventures with the rest of the family in 1997, he changed his name from Omer Shahzad Bhatti to Joseph Michael Winther.
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is omer upto blacking mj about something... :roll: