Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => TIAI => The Plan (Qanon, TIAI, BACK) => TIAI & TS Discussions => Topic started by: RestlessSoul on March 08, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
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EDIT: Ok as the other post of mine that criticize TS locked again, I should take what I had written in that one here because the post you see down at the bottom was made by me on March 9th! So here's my recent thoughts about TS.
Hello everybody.
As the other post was locked, I thought to make a new post where we can talk and discuss about TIAI. I'm personally not that sure if TS is legit. I don't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 70%. I was very impressed when he made the post about 1998 code etc. But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacksons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But without the reckoning system it makes 71 days and the ambulance's number was 71 too. So I'm sure that we can find different theories about it. Also the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders?
And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'.
Ts told us that TMZ is giving us clues about Michael but if you watched Jermaine's last interview with LK, he said that family is NOT happy with what TMZ is doing! So, why would Jermaine say this if TMZ is really in on the hoax?
TS wrote that very few are involved with the hoax but I totally disagree with that. I see many celebrities started to talk about Michael is alive like Akon. I do believe that Usher, Puff Diddy, Black Eyed Peas, Beyonce even maybe GAGA are in on the hoax. Larry King, Mac Culkin, Elizabeth Taylor and the list goes on! So how can a "few" people involve in the hoax?
He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I think that he may not be legit.
Pls feel free to share your opinions. BUT don't forget that I've already written I agree with his theories 70-80%. All I'm saying is, the information he gives doesn't prove that he's related with Michael. He can be a smart investigator. I do NOT care who he is, his name etc but I do care if he's seriously related with Michael, because he could be giving false hope to people about the BAMSDAY! What if Michael is never ever going to come back. What would you feel about it? Just keep in mind all possibilities.
New EDIT: The point that most of you do NOT understand is, I've always and always written why I want TS to be proved by the Jacksons. It's NOT just for myself like the way you accuse me. I also want it because everyone will understand that TS is really related with the Jacksons and we can spread Michael's message easily! So which part don't you get about this? You think that I'm asking it for selfish reasons but it's NOT! Don't you want to spread Michael's message? So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS. Even if this is Michael's message, and even if TS is related with the hoax, this is NOT the way to spread it. Sorry but you guys are on the wrong path! I don't believe that Michael would want us to believe TS when on the other side lots of things are going on like the first year anniversary, the book and films his mother is going to publish, Murray's hearings, Joe's suing AEG, Murray and the two clinics, Randy's words and so on and on! We are confused, we're terrified, we're scared! We just want to know if he's alive and fine and that's all. When all of this drama going on around, how could Michael ask from us to believe in TS only? Sorry but that would be something selfish and that's definitely NOT Michael's nature. Do NOT tell me that I don't know Michael because I DO! Maybe I'm NOT hired by him but this man has been in my life for more than 35 years!
If Michael had a message about NWO and illuminati he would have shown us a clue in TII! Where were the clues? If Michael had a message to be spread out, he would have done something, found a better way to make it spread out. He would have told TS to do what I had been offering to do. He would have understood how important this is for the sake of the message. Doesn't he see that you can not spread it like this? If he's following the forum like you say? Of course he does, so why isn't he doing something? No, Michael is a genius and I'm 100% sure that he would do something else. And if he was going to come back all of these things wouldn't go this deep! He's waiting for us to spread the message before he comes back like you said? I don't think so because you're running circles and this will make him wait forever! I want everyone to think with their own logic. Most of you guys are like parrots. You keep on telling the same old story that you heard from a storyteller. Isn't it enough? I'm telling you to think out of the box. I know that you were told that if you believed in storytellers, you would be thinking out of the box but what if they were putting you in a box? Don't forget to think the other side of the story. The story could be right but what if it's wrong? I'm just telling you to think both sides. I'm giving you both of the reasons why it could be right and why it could be wrong. You do the same and ask yourselves why it could be bad or hard if TS did the thing we had been asking from him/her to do? Wouldn't it be easier to spread the message? Wouldn't you all be relieved? Be honest to yourselves and think once more.
Love and Peace.
My old post about TS that I made in March:
@TS
Ok, first of all I want to say that this is NOT a hate mail. I'm going to criticize TS a little bit. I’ve been reading all of the posts on this board for a long time and I decided to write. I read all of TIAI’s posts too. TIAI was the only reliable source for me until Murray’s case but later on things started to change. Let me explain this for you pls.
Ok, -TS says that he had “predictions” about the resurrection scene in TII. And I’m asking: ‘Was it so hard to predict this?’ I had already known myself that there was going to be a resurrection scene in the film.
-TS told us about the important days and how they can be related to Michael. And I’m saying: ‘Someone who knows Michael and his favorite 7s could tell us about the important days such as the funeral or the release date of the film, film’s poster etc.
-TS told us Michael’s relation with illuminati and NWO. And I’m saying, I had already known about them all and how they had been threatening Michael etc.
I’m NOT trying to underestimate the work of TS, yes the redirects and all of the writings are very clever BUT all of the “predictions” TS made, could be made by someone who has been following Michael’s life! If TS is really related to Michael and he exactly knows what’s going to happen when, why didn’t he warn us about the coming up trial on their last update?
TS first told us that Michael was going to come back after the public watched the film and learnt about the hoax. I’m asking all of you. What kind of proof was there in TII for all of the public to understand that Michael is alive? Only us, the believers investigated about Gilda and the meaning of spider and understood about it. Most of Michael’s fans didn’t even understand that those scenes were about resurrection. How could Michael pretend all public to understand the message of those scenes?
TS told us the first comeback day was the Halloween but it was postponed to January 25th. And it never happened. On TS’ last update, he wrote that the LAST delay is not going to take that long this time. It’s been 1,5 mounths already. And nothing happened. Besides we know that Jermaine is preparing a tribute for Michael in June 8th! I know that many tributes were cancelled but ‘what if’ this one is true? We need to think everything. If it is true, Michael is NOT coming back until summer!
TS told us the relation of TMZ and the hoax. Yes, it’s very easy to understand it from the news TMZ makes. BUT how do we know that TS is NOT an employee of TMZ? And if TMZ works for Michael, how come they call Michael as ‘Jacko’ and Blanket as ‘electric blanket’? What if some employee’s of TMZ were hired by SONY or AEG to keep the interest and attention high for better sales! We all know how the marketing works.
After very long 8 mounts, this has been such a very very exhausting journey for us all. And we’re the ones who investigate and try to understand everything about this. We had and still have many people who say that they’re related to Michael and the hoax. And there’re several theories. Some say Michael is in a coma and that explains family’s reaction and Murray is still a free man. Some say he was murdered by SONY-AEG or illuminati. Some say he died in 2005. Some say he’s alive but not coming back and some say he is alive and he will come back. There’s one thing that I’m sure of. WE’RE ALL SO TIRED and we need SPECIFIC things to make us sure that Michael is alive and healthy and about the time he’s coming back! We don’t want no more trials, tributes or delays for a comeback.
And to people who ask why the comeback is so important, I say there’s NOTHING more important than that for the most of us! BECAUSE we can never ever be sure Michael is alive and healthy until we see him in flesh and bone with our own eyes! I got his message about illuminati, media and all evil things BUT I don’t believe his message can be spread UNTIL HE COMES BACK! Noone believes us and they think that we’re all freaks. ONLY MICHAEL CAN PROVE THE OPPOSITE and after he comes back people will start to listen what we’re saying!
And I have a couple of questions in my mind. If Michael was going to come back soon, why did he decide to have Murray’s trial? Why Karen has been blaming Kenny and AEG? And why WHY did Randy Jackson joined Karen, and started to blame Kenny? People are sending hate tweets to Kenny. Would Michael want his fans to hate his 20 year long friend? Why does Kenny make a tweet like:”MJ left this world to us” and Gotham Chopra tells us to “Let him go!” ?
If you’re really someone close to Michael, you should give us the specific DETAILS TS, no more predictions please. We need to be sure that you’re not only a smart believer or a TMZ/SONY employee! And it would be appreciated if you and some others stop telling us to focus on the message and spread it instead of thinking about the come back day. YES, MICHAEL’S COME BACK DAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, not only for us to be sure that he’s alive and fine but also for the sake of spreading the message to the entire world.
Thank You!
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Whoa! :o I agree with every word you said! You're having exactly the same thoughts as me.
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Very well put and I am sure many others definately agree with you as we do.
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totally agree with you. let me be clear, i want michael the person to come back, not "Michael Jackson the Performer." i just want to know that he's okay. all these ambiguous posts and signs and messages and clues are fun in the beginning but are getting really frustrating. people are coming on the forum only to say negative things. others are trying to make everything a clue (hey, they're trying). i'd like it for once, just ONCE, for someone to say something/show something that is so obvious that nobody can deny it or twist it into "he's dead, it's just a coincidence." but we'll stick it out, of course. for michael.
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I agree as well. The "simmering" is getting to me, I can't concentrate on my work. It makes it very hard to keep spreading the LOVE when I am thinking about my friends that I truly love, that are thinking I am a freak. LOL! Oh I am feeling ya Michael and for 8 months very intensely. Not to say I wasn't feeling for you over the years, I was!! Many others too, I doubt anybody that loves you did not feel your pain through the years.
We did!!
New people have learned all about MJ and what his life has been, they are making up for your pain.
Not ungrateful, not impatient, not demanding a performance. I think many of us just need to hear you say you are OK. The man Michael Jackson is fine.
In our hearts we are sure you are but a word from you would send all of us to dancing in the streets!!!! Just one word!! Pretty please?? :roll:
OK back to listening to your music, bopping and dancing in my chair 8-)
I LOVE YOU MIchael!
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My thoughts exactly.... :(
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Thank you ALL for for sharing your thoughts & feelings with us. I really appreciate that & can relate them (well, at least some of it) myself. So, thought I will repost my present take on TIAI (more to do with TIAI twitter, actually) here as well:
viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=110909#p110909 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=110909#p110909)
" Re: TIAI UPDATE #1: HIGH PROBABILITY OF MJ “RETURN” THIS MONTH!
Postby ZIsis » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:23 pm
When TIAI first came out, I didn't pay much attention to it. I really couldn't get why my friends were making such a big fuss over it. And it worried me, just how much faith some of us placed in it. I didn't like it that so many of us were so ??? dependent on it; as if we needed it to fuel & base our theories around about the hoax. I didn't want anyone planting ideas & manipulating us. I wanted us to be able to make our own judgements & draw our own conclusions. Most of all, I didn't want my friends hurt & let down because of their misguided & misplaced faith in TIAI. I wanted to know why TIAI was created, who it really belonged to & the true intent behind it. So yes, I had my reservations & suspicions about TIAI to begin with.
But all that started changing in February. I started to view it with different eyes. Maybe because I stopped looking so hard for "the answers". Maybe because I've always had this ingrained habit of nearly always following my heart & not listening to my head. I have been vigilantly following TIAI lately (which I didn't do earlier) & I've got to say that the more I see of it, the more I like it. Merely reading about others' opinions about TIAI never worked for me. I wanted to be able to "feel" it for myself. Like I said before, I have this penchant for following my own instincts (regardless of the 'logistics" behind anything!).
For me, it's not so much the 'clues' themselves in TIAI as much as the effect it helps create that matters most. I mean, this sense of HOPE that TIAI inspires within us. There's a lot about TIAI that I still don't understand, but that has ceased being as important now. TIAI keeps generating positivism & optimism all around. For that alone, I really, truly believe TIAI is intrinsically good. And I hope TIAI continues to lift our spirits & keep reinforcing us to believe in dreams & "the impossible".
Also, a great part about about my BeLIEver journey has always been my great yen for a return: at least one final curtain call, "properly" this time, I mean. I know this may sound childish, but I do so wish to see "the best" that was promised "yet to come", if you know what I mean :P I can't say that has changed much from the beginning for me. But today, I'm at peace within myself, knowing that LIFE is truly beautiful beyond measure & that there really is SO MUCH MORE we can derive from it.
I'm not trying to influence or impose my ideas on anyone of you with this, please trust my sincerity here. And I apologise if this comes across that way. I just thought I would share what I feel with you all; that's all. "
L.O.V.E & LOVE ALL THE WAY!
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I am from the Netherlands.
Also a mod on a site here ,fighting against high people from banks..and the Couvernement.
A lot of people here are victem from those people.
We are planning a demostration May 7th..Do a lot of hard work in helping and guide people who dont see a way out anymore!
I did not have to read all of the TIAI postings(i did anyway)..because i know about the conspiracy..we are living it here!
So i tried to spread the message..I have put/used video's on the website from Michael..with the lyricks(connect to our problem)and try to tell them.
They love the music..but wen i try to explain more..They looke at me :? ..Yes they see me as a freak!
I get answers like..there is no such thing happening..the guy is gone,get over it!
I need more to convince them..Yes i am also waiting for a come back..Not because i am selfisch..Not for him to perfom again,or it make me feel better..no such thing..But i need it to spread his message.
So i can tell them..See this is what i tried to tell you the whole time..Now you want to listen to me?
Than i can reach more and more people..Now i am stuck!
I just wanted to tell you all this..so you see why i feel the same way!
Sorry for my English..i did my best!
Greetings Mattie
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I am from the Netherlands.
Also a mod on a site here ,fighting against high people from banks..and the Couvernement.
A lot of people here are victem from those people.
We are planning a demonstration May 7th..Do a lot of hard work in helping and guide people who dont see a way out anymore!
Mattie, please post all the info you have about the May 7th demonstration in the Holland forum..? I'm interested.
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Regarding the title of your post - TIAI reads the forum:
I had my suspicions some time ago that TS (or someone involved with them) is on here, and that they gave themselves away by redirecting to their own posts. I also saw them promoting http://www.thisisalsoit.com (http://www.thisisalsoit.com) in other posts. Now I don't want to shatter any illusions, or name the user, but all I ask is that people do not place so much faith in this one person, because I believe they have been misleading us to some extent. Surely I'm not the only person who noticed this.
I don't entirely disagree with their message though, in general the site has been very educational and opened a lot of minds; but I doubt this is an insider. I personally am getting sick of the flimsy clues by people who claim to be 'in the know' and I want some concrete answers.
Sorry for the anger.
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Thank you so so much for sharing your thoughts with me. I appreciate them all. I don't say that I disagree with TIAI's message and they're doing such a great job. My point is, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS MICHAEL'S MESSAGE TO US. And if he first decided to comeback in Halloween, why does he delay the come back this much? Asking and hoping everyone to understand the message would be daydreaming. So I don't believe that Michael is waiting for everyone to get his message. If I need to write it with open words and with my honesty, sorry but this sounds like distraction of these people who always tell us to focus on the message. We're NOT even sure that Michael is alive, so how can we focus on the message, do you think people? And I don't believe that Michael expects this from us. After all of the negative things we had, no that's not possible. Michael wouldn't like us to get hurt and to suffer. So why does he keep us wait this long? And Michael is the one who said that we have only 4 years to save this planet. So why doesn't he hurry to come back and save the planet all together? Lots of questions not answered and we need more help. It's NOT easy for us to see his ex wife go to FL and cry her eyes out or watch the hearing of his so called "Murderer", and hear about a tribute on the 1st year of his "death". We're all lost and confused!
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WOW!!! You should read my post. We think so similar! And definitely the message can not be spread if Michael doesn't come back. I agree with everything you wrote! Here is my post:
http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028
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there is another thread similar to this where i said this : i don't want Michael to return to perform again, i want him to return to be sure that he's alive 100% which i'm not at the moment. :( if Michael faked his death to tell us about Illuminati then he has to come back and i trust him that he will. cause he knows not everyone is genius, i'm not. i'm a simple 19 years old girl from a simple country. i'm not supposed to be researching on illuminati just because a website redirect tells me to when i have the most important exams of my life the next month. my family will send me to a mental hospital if i do so all the time. Michael knows these things very well. when i say i want him to come back i say it because i want to hear the message from him or atleast a sign from him and to be sure myself that he is alive.
I totally agree with you PureLove in all your posts here. You're speaking exactly the reality. I don't understand how some beLIEvers who have been so smart and logical these months in investigating can give in themselves like this in this so called message. I'm not gonna pretend i know what Michael's message is, if there is any. Michael is not that stupid, he knows it's not gonna be so easy for everyone to understand his message. Michael is NOT a coward that he'll run away from his fans leaving a message with no explanations. There's no guarantee if anyone got it or not. Tell me how many people even believe he's alive? They call us crazy, weird, mental, sick when we say we believe he's alive. How would they react when we'll tell them Michael faked his death to open our eyes about Illuminati? I tried telling several friends of mine that some are saying this could be the reason and this could be the message. They were all like "wtf? what's the connection of illuminati with this?" i looked like a dork then. Cause all i could reply was oh yeah there is a connection, a website redirected us to things regarding this. They didn't even bother to talk about this to me anymore cause they're convinced. They are convinced that i've totally gone nuts. And then they forget the other things as well that i showed them about the hoax. Is that what we all are supposed to be doing the rest of our lives and end up in a padded cell talking about illuminati to the soft walls? Michael is smart, if he wants his message to be realized, he will come back. Heck, we're not even sure about Michael being alive and we're talking about his message. If everyone is 100% sure that he's alive i don't see the point of the new threads that are coming everyday investigating the autopsy reports, analyzing clues, picking up the slip ups from the family etc etc. I don't see the use of the death hoax forums. There should be forums like "Michael Jackson is alive, now let's talk about his message". But the forums are still about the hoax and the investigations. People should be TRUE to themselves.
@PureLove and @Butterfly J, thank you both! And i agree totally with what both of you said as well. PureLove, you're totally right in saying that if the return is delayed more, people WILL start losing the faith and as Butterfly J said they WILL start believing it was just a mind game someone played on them. This is reality, this is the TRUTH. We HAVE to be realistic here. Not everyone is going to stick to the hoax forever and therefore no message will exist anymore. I'm no one to tell Michael when to return, not a certain date or anything, but as a loyal fan that i've been for all my life, i do have that right to advice him not to delay it so much cause at the end the purpose will not be succeeded and that is something neither Michael nor i want to happen. I believe he knows that. And i'm MORE THAN SURE he doesn't get mad at us or hate us who ask him to return soon. When we ask him to return soon we don't mean that he doesn't need rest and should come back to "entertain" us already but we mean that we need him to tell us on our face that he's alive and fine. Then we could finally have some peace after this long stressful journey. I'm MORE THAN SURE he knows that and understands our feelings. So IMHO, there's no point in screaming at us to focus on the message and forget about the return that some believers do. Hugs to both of you, atleast you two are here who are ready to face the reality. God bless. L.O.V.E. :)
here is the original thread by PureLove : viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=6028)
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I've already made this post to TS' new Update but I wanted to thank for responding to my post from here too. After I read TS' 4th Update I became sure he's an insider. Thank you once more. Here's my post that I made to TS.
Dear TS,
Thank you so much for responding to my post. As you said I made that post just before your Update 4 and now I know that it was a little too early to write and ask you those. Wish I knew you were going to make Update 4 that soon, just after my post. I must confess that I had hesitations about you before Update 4. But after I read your update I became sure that you're an insider and trying to help us. And thank you so much for answering the questions that I had asked in my earlier post. I have just one question in my mind for you. Does Michael tell you about when he is going to come back or doesn't he? Or did he tell you the exact day but also asked from you not to give a specific date to us? We all know how much he likes to make surprises, so I guess he wants to surprise us all with his BAM. And speaking of BAM, I was confused about the delays in return dates because I had no idea that you were going to use "BAM" term for Michael's return. I thought "Return" is the term which you used to describe for Michael to come back in public view again. After your 4th Update we all learnt that you were going to use BAM instead of Return. Also I didn't have an idea about the Return process as well. Once more thank you so much for all of your replies and for the Updates. I appreciate your hard work so much. Thank you.
P.S: TS: "Likewise, all the reasons for the hoax (environment, 4 years, expose the media & NWO, etc)—these things will be much more effective, if MJ comes back and helps to draws major public attention to them."
I couldn't agree more with this. And that's one of the reasons why I'm curious about when he's coming back. Thank you.
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Hello everybody.
As the other post was locked, I thought to make a new post where we can talk and discuss about TIAI. I'm personally not that sure if TS is legit. I don't say that I don't like or disagree with what TS writes. I agree with his theories 70%. I was very impressed when he made the post about 1998 code etc. But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too! TS keeps on saying that he KNOWS about the hoax and he mentioned that he's related with the Jacksons because Jacksons made that "revealed" tweet for TIAI, right? But when we ask him to tell Jacksons to write "This is also it" on their Twitter, he says he doesn't have anything to prove. On the contrary I believe that he does need that. Not ONLY for us to believe in him but also for us to spread Michael's message easily. If he was really related to Michael and the Jacksons, and if there was a message to be spread out, would he ask from the Jacksons to do it or not? Would Michael want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons or not? If this's all about the message, then what is he waiting for?{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
"But the information is NOT the only thing that makes someone a FAKE. If someone can NOT prove the identitiy he/she/they claim/claims, that makes that person a FAKE too!"
One: I would like to see you debunk the info TS gave us. No one succeeded so far, but if you can, please share.
Two: TS never claimed to be anyone. Like he said himself: it's not important, the info is important, and if he told you you wouldn't believe him anyway.
Three: You can't expect the Jacksons to tweet whatever you like. Also their tweets are part of Mike's plan. Besides that, if they would tweet about thisisalsoit.com, they could as well say plain out that this is a hoax.
Mike wants you to believe. He wants you to read the info given and think for yourself. Does he need to come on a webcam before you will start to believe TS is legit and not fucking with the hoaxers? What more can he do while staying hidden? Don't you think that if he hoaxed his death and wanted his message out without being able to speak out himself, he would plant seeds? Why is that so hard to believe? Don't you tink he visits the forum? Or one of the other Jacksons?
I never underestimated the information he has given but I see many smart people make very interesting, smart posts. I haven't found anything special in his/her posts than a smart one makes. What prediction did he make except the thing in TII? And we all had predicted those things before he did, there was nothing new! Ohh wait, he/she found 77 days later and 7 days later it's the 9.9.9. But without the reckoning system it makes 71 days and the ambulance's number was 71 too. So I'm sure that we can find different theories about it. Also the hoax video makers find such amazing things too. Are they all insiders?{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
I don't consider myself as being highly intelligent, but I'm not stupid either. Yet I'm in awe everytime I read the updates, or STUDY's posts back at the old MJHD. He provides information that makes sense and can be verified. There hasn't been anything yet in his posts that can be debunked. This has nothing to do with intelligence, this means he has knowledge about the hoax. Whoever he is, I am certain he is close to Mike.
And yeah, he makes posts and then TMZ make same kind of posts, but we all know that TMZ is reading the forum. They possibly read TS' updates and make news. They use all of our words not only TS'.
Ts told us that TMZ is giving us clues about Michael but if you watched Jermaine's last interview with LK, he said that family is NOT happy with what TMZ is doing! So, why would Jermaine say this if TMZ is really in on the hoax?{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
Don't you think it's weird by itself that Jermaine only mentions TMZ? What about the Sun? Or Radar Online? Or ET online? TMZ was not the one posting the gay story for the first time. But TMZ has a link to this website on their page since June 25. Did it occur to you that Jermaine mentioned TMZ to get people to TMZ.com and maybe see the link to this website?
TS wrote that very few are involved with the hoax but I totally disagree with that. I see many celebrities started to talk about Michael is alive like Akon. I do believe that Usher, Puff Diddy, Black Eyed Peas, Beyonce even maybe GAGA are in on the hoax. Larry King, Mac Culkin, Elizabeth Taylor and the list goes on! So how can a "few" people involve in the hoax?{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
Not everyone is involved in the hoax, it's not possible to let everyone sign confidentiality agreements. To me only the people working with him on TII and the people at the staged funeral are in, they have signed contracts and confidentiality agreements. Maybe one or two at FBI/UCLA/LAPD and the coroner's office and that's it.
He didn't say anything to us about the coming hearings, he never says anything about what's going to happen after all, he never tells us what's the role of the siblings or friends in this hoax. He just says "Don't lose hope whatever happens" yeah nice words... Why does he know nothing about the BAMsday? He keeps on delaying it, and when it doesn't happen he tries to save the day and write "I didn't use the word Bamsday but I used Return" yeah right! I'm sure that I can find many more things why I think that he may not be legit.{http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
If TS would tell you plain out in advance what will happen in this hoax, would you still pay that much attention? If TS would tell you know Mike would return on a certain date, would you still keep investigating? No. You would lay back and wait for that date to come. That's not part of the plan, Mike needs us to dig and pay attention. TS mentioned enough things in advance that did came true.
Pls feel free to share your opinions. BUT don't forget that I've already written I agree with his theories 70-80%. All I'm saying is, the information he gives doesn't prove that he's related with Michael. He can be a smart investigator. I do NOT care who he is, his name etc but I do care if he's seriously related with Michael, because he could be giving false hope to people about the BAMSDAY! What if Michael is never ever going to come back. What would you feel about it? Just keep in mind all possibilities. {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=11733&start=0}
TS never gave false hope about bamsday, because TS never mentioned when bamsday will be. And he won't either because of the reasons mentioned above, so don't count on that. And apparently you do care who he is, because you want him to say who he is, because else you think he is just another fake.
Like Mike asked us:
"Give me your all, your endurance, your patience and your understanding. But it's an adventure, it's a great adventure. It's nothing to be nervous about. So give your all. And I love you all. And we're a family."
Now it's up to us to stand firmly behind him, trust in him and believe, even though we don't see him. I trust in him and I am 100% sure that TS is someone we can trust, if you would only believe...
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*applauds Souza* I totally agree!
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TS was NOT saying that Michael would come back in January. He said the RETURN was in January. Which it was!
If you go to TIAI Update #4d, Section 4-40., it says:
And when did I say that the return would probably happen? In the month January, and specifically maybe even January 18 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3391&p=52818#p52818}. Did you think that I meant the end of the return would be in January, the bamsday? I never mentioned bamsday in that update (or at any time before Update #4); yet my usage of “return” has often referred to the end of the return (the bam). And certainly if MJ wanted, he could’ve both started and completed the return in January.
You see, in January MJ had to decide whether to end the hoax at that time (bamsday), or continue into the court case with Murray. The fact that the court process has started, should actually show us that things are going reasonably well; if not, MJ would’ve pulled the plug on it by now. And at any time, he could say: “okay everybody, that’s a wrap!” But if not, we should be prepared to wait out the court process (see 4-42, below).
By the way: I never said that the NWO/illuminati subject (TIAI message) was the only reason why MJ did not return back at Halloween. It should be noted, however, that nothing significant happened between the TII release around Halloween, and the January return process beginning—nothing except of course the TIAI redirects, and TIAI Revealed. Once that happened, then the return process began in January.
I do agree with you on that last part about the comeback being important, it IS NOT the MOST important part though, it's the 2nd most important, the message is more important though. The message is the reason for the hoax, without the message there wouldn't even be a comeback because there wouldn't have been a hoax!
Michael wants us to understand his message and pass it on.
I agree with Souza, TS is someone we can trust.
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Well said Souza
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There are a lot of questions about TS being legit or not since a few days now and I don't really undertand at this point of the hoax. Here are again the "predictions" TS made. They show that there is a link between the redirects and TMZ for example. It should convince you that TMZ is part of it too. Now if someone can explain the how of all that excluding the fact that TS has inside information then maybe I will begin to question TS' legitimated.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
viewtopic.php?f=0&t=11061&p=183996#p183996 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=11061&p=183996#p183996)
I also add that the explanation of the title This Is It was very smart and to me shows that TS has inside information. Nobody explained it as far as I know.
See Seven Layers Embedded in: “THIS IS IT” viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&p=162903#p162903 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&p=162903#p162903)
About the forum being visited by TS/TIAI I think that it's obvious he redirected to several posts here. He must check our discussions to know where we are at. Michael himself must be reading. I mean it is something highly important I'm almost certain that he comes here to keep an eye on us and see if we understand his message. He prepared and planned this since several years now, don't you think that the most important thing for him is to check if we are here for him as he asked us ? That's why we must show him our support and do our best to keep his message alive and make it ours, to investigate, to study enough to have faith in what we are fighting for and be strong and self-confident enough when it will be necessary. Even a Soldier of Love must have an armor to protect him/herself from the attacks because even if you speak the truth and make love your message you can have unexpected reactions of rebuttal or hate. And most of all, the NWO powers will prevent us from unfolding the truth.
Keep the faith.
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There are a lot of questions about TS being legit or not since a few days now and I don't really undertand at this point of the hoax. Here are again the "predictions" TS made. They show that there is a link between the redirects and TMZ for example. It should convince you that TMZ is part of it too. Now if someone can explain the how of all that excluding the fact that TS has inside information then maybe I will begin to question TS' legitimated.
#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced Update #1.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
#12. ALLJACK5ONS tweet on 1-18 about TIAI “Revealed” (also the 3-11 tweet).
#13. TMZ clue on January 25.
#14. TMZ, Murray, and murder versus hoax clue on February 5.
#15. High probability of “piece by piece” return starting in January (see #12, etc).
#16. Autopsy finalized 9-9-09, released just one day after I said “9-9-09 update”.
#17. TIAI redirect to TMZ, less than an hour before the big MJ Killed Himself post.
#18. Update #4 (4-44), #17 article posted on 4-4 at 4:00 AM (444).
#19. Elvis redirect on 5-10, several Elvis events happen from 5-12 to 5-20 (next).
#20. Update 5 (with 12 sections) on 5-12 at 5:12 AM; later that day TMZ starts LMP series from 5-12 to 5-17. Also, Linda talks to Jesse on 5-12.
#21. The final part of TIAI Update (#5d) is posted evening of 5-19 (CA time). On 5-19, Eliza posted a message on her homepage, for the first time in about four months; then on 5-20, the article by attorney Mayoras was posted (6-1, above).
viewtopic.php?f=0&t=11061&p=183996#p183996 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=0&t=11061&p=183996#p183996)
I also add that the explanation of the title This Is It was very smart and to me shows that TS has inside information. Nobody explained it as far as I know.
See Seven Layers Embedded in: “THIS IS IT” viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&p=162903#p162903 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726&p=162903#p162903)
About the forum being visited by TS/TIAI I think that it's obvious he redirected to several posts here. He must check our discussions to know where we are at. Michael himself must be reading. I mean it is something highly important I'm almost certain that he comes here to keep an eye on us and see if we understand his message. He prepared and planned this since several years now, don't you think that the most important thing for him is to check if we are here for him as he asked us ? That's why we must show him our support and do our best to keep his message alive and make it ours, to investigate, to study enough to have faith in what we are fighting for and be strong and self-confident enough when it will be necessary. Even a Soldier of Love must have an armor to protect him/herself from the attacks because even if you speak the truth and make love your message you can have unexpected reactions of rebuttal or hate. And most of all, the NWO powers will prevent us from unfolding the truth.
Keep the faith.
I have just been re-reading all these TS posts and come on people...there is way too much information here proving this is a well planned HOAX!! It is a hoax, but it is a hoax with a purpose! The message is very clear...scary, but clear. We need to keep the faith and keep spreading this information so that others will open their eyes to the truth. Michael is trying to save us all from the powers that be and we need to let him know that we understand this and that we will fight for his cause! MJ'S ARMY OF LOVE..please stand by...
TS is someone very close to Michael, if not the MAN himself! :D Love you more Michael!
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It’s interesting to see how all of the posts that crticize TS gets locked so fast. The title could be the same but the content was totally different. If you decided to lock the thread I would prefer you to move the post to this one. I need to do and take it here now for everyone to understand.
One: I would like to see you debunk the info TS gave us. No one succeeded so far, but if you can, please share.
Two: TS never claimed to be anyone. Like he said himself: it's not important, the info is important, and if he told you you wouldn't believe him anyway.
Three: You can't expect the Jacksons to tweet whatever you like. Also their tweets are part of Mike's plan. Besides that, if they would tweet about thisisalsoit.com, they could as well say plain out that this is a hoax.
Mike wants you to believe. He wants you to read the info given and think for yourself. Does he need to come on a webcam before you will start to believe TS is legit and not fucking with the hoaxers? What more can he do while staying hidden? Don't you think that if he hoaxed his death and wanted his message out without being able to speak out himself, he would plant seeds? Why is that so hard to believe? Don't you tink he visits the forum? Or one of the other Jacksons?
Ok so here I go 1- I think you didn’t read it well what I had written Souza because I wrote that I do agree with TS’ information 70-80%!!! And I never wrote that the information he gave was wrong! My problem is about the information he hasn’t given yet!!!
2- I personally do NOT care about who TS is and I never mentioned it. All I care is if he’s really related to Michael or not! I don’t know how many times I need to write this for you all to understand. I do not care about TS’ identity!
3- And I’m saying that, if this’s Michael’s plan and IF there’s a message to be spread out, the Jacksons would tweet something about TS. How many non-believers did you make believers this far? Many people read Elvis&MJ.com? Yeah? Where’re they? Stop fooling yourselves, we are NOT able to spread the message to non-believers. Not like this. It’s been a year, so why are we still only 3000 people on this hoax forum? Why doesn’t the number increase so fast if you’re making them believe in TS! The Jacksons would plain out this’s a hoax??? Ohh c’mon!!! You forgot about all those “slip-ups” and all of the clues that we got from the Jacksons?? Are they going to plain it out when they write TIAI? That’s ridiculous.
How do you know what Michael wants us to do about TS? There’re tons of message deliverers out there. And if Michael is spending time on the internet, he knows already about these fakes. Doesn’t he want us to be sure about TS and spread the message easily?
Don't you think it's weird by itself that Jermaine only mentions TMZ? What about the Sun? Or Radar Online? Or ET online? TMZ was not the one posting the gay story for the first time. But TMZ has a link to this website on their page since June 25. Did it occur to you that Jermaine mentioned TMZ to get people to TMZ.com and maybe see the link to this website?
Jermaine mentioned TMZ because he was talking about the hearings and he said that TMZ were there shooting it and they laughed and it was very disrespectful. He wasn’t talking about the tabloids but about the hearings!
Not everyone is involved in the hoax, it's not possible to let everyone sign confidentiality agreements. To me only the people working with him on TII and the people at the staged funeral are in, they have signed contracts and confidentiality agreements. Maybe one or two at FBI/UCLA/LAPD and the coroner's office and that's it.
Ok, so these make only “a few”?
If TS would tell you plain out in advance what will happen in this hoax, would you still pay that much attention? If TS would tell you know Mike would return on a certain date, would you still keep investigating? No. You would lay back and wait for that date to come. That's not part of the plan, Mike needs us to dig and pay attention. TS mentioned enough things in advance that did came true.
I personally would keep on digging about the clues if TS told us about the hearings or Bamsday date etc. I want to learn every single thing. So I disagree with you about that too.
TS never gave false hope about bamsday, because TS never mentioned when bamsday will be. And he won't either because of the reasons mentioned above, so don't count on that. And apparently you do care who he is, because you want him to say who he is, because else you think he is just another fake.
About false hope, you misleaded my words once more. You should have bolded the part that starts with “what if…” too. I never wrote that he gave us a Comeback date and that’s the false hope. I’m saying if Michael never ever comes back, all of these people would be waiting for him for years maybe. Wouldn’t that be a false hope?
And finally once again Souza, I do NOT care about his identity. Just find out to me where I wrote that thing! I do CARE if he’s related with Michael or not!!!
And just a note; my posts are shown like they’re very negative about TS since I kept on writing that I do agree with his theories 80%! And I do believe in illuminati and NWO stuff. If I don’t post much it doesn’t mean that I don’t read them all. All I’m saying is; I want to be sure that TS is related with the Jacksons and The Jacksons give us a concrete clue about TS so that we can spread the message easily. So spreading the message is my thought too! So pls think about these before you decide that I’m a TS hater and jump on me! (speaking of general)
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You do have a point there Restless Soul. The hoax death theory is still considered fairly crazy so Believers are largely looked at as nuts rendering any message we try to spread instantly crazy by association.
So.
Really it's not a very effective method of changing the world without some back up. Ahem.
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You do have a point there Restless Soul. The hoax death theory is still considered fairly crazy so Believers are largely looked at as nuts rendering any message we try to spread instantly crazy by association.
So.
Really it's not a very effective method of changing the world without some back up. Ahem.
Agree with you and with Restlesssoul on that. I've been saying the same thing for ages but people still keep on insisting to go this way. We couldn't get anywhere like this. Why is it so hard to accept it? I can not deceive myself by lying to myself. If we could be spreading the message to non-believers there should have been a thousand more people on this hoax forum and more and more people would be joining the forum everyday. Where are they? Now they think to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT. Do you really believe that people would read that update? Which one have they read that they would read this one? :roll: Anyways, I will shut my mouth up because I see that we're running in circles and people still do not make up their minds on what we should do (actually TS should do). I agree with RS about Jacksons making a tweet about TIAI.
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It’s interesting to see how all of the posts that crticize TS gets locked so fast. The title could be the same but the content was totally different. If you decided to lock the thread I would prefer you to move the post to this one. I need to do and take it here now for everyone to understand.
One thread is enough, you can post all your critisizm in there, there is no need to make a new thread everytime you think of something new about the same subject. If I wouldn’t allow critisizm about TS, I would have locked them all. You are free to give your opinion, I just don’t want multiple threads about the same subject.
One: I would like to see you debunk the info TS gave us. No one succeeded so far, but if you can, please share.
Two: TS never claimed to be anyone. Like he said himself: it's not important, the info is important, and if he told you you wouldn't believe him anyway.
Three: You can't expect the Jacksons to tweet whatever you like. Also their tweets are part of Mike's plan. Besides that, if they would tweet about thisisalsoit.com, they could as well say plain out that this is a hoax.
Mike wants you to believe. He wants you to read the info given and think for yourself. Does he need to come on a webcam before you will start to believe TS is legit and not fucking with the hoaxers? What more can he do while staying hidden? Don't you think that if he hoaxed his death and wanted his message out without being able to speak out himself, he would plant seeds? Why is that so hard to believe? Don't you think he visits the forum? Or one of the other Jacksons?
Ok so here I go 1- I think you didn’t read it well what I had written Souza because I wrote that I do agree with TS’ information 70-80%!!! And I never wrote that the information he gave was wrong! My problem is about the information he hasn’t given yet!!!
And what information should he give you? And only because you want it? He has written almost 70.000 words in his posts with information. Does he have to spoon feed you more? Like I said before: Mike has a plan, TS posts only that info that is according to plan. If you want more information, you need to be patient and wait for update #7. You can also do your own investigation, like others. TS gives us the info he is supposed to give, not less, not more.
2- I personally do NOT care about who TS is and I never mentioned it. All I care is if he’s really related to Michael or not! I don’t know how many times I need to write this for you all to understand. I do not care about TS’ identity!
TS said he is not MJ himself, but that he has information about the hoax. If you read the information, you can assume he is somehow related to Mike. In what way he is related is not important in my opinion. If you want to know, why don’t you post a comment in the latest update and ask him if he is related to Mike… I don’t really get the point here, but that might be just me.
3- And I’m saying that, if this’s Michael’s plan and IF there’s a message to be spread out, the Jacksons would tweet something about TS. How many non-believers did you make believers this far? Many people read Elvis&MJ.com? Yeah? Where’re they? Stop fooling yourselves, we are NOT able to spread the message to non-believers. Not like this. It’s been a year, so why are we still only 3000 people on this hoax forum? Why doesn’t the number increase so fast if you’re making them believe in TS! The Jacksons would plain out this’s a hoax??? Ohh c’mon!!! You forgot about all those “slip-ups” and all of the clues that we got from the Jacksons?? Are they going to plain it out when they write TIAI? That’s ridiculous.
I think you forget that we can see statistics of the website, we can see how many people go to http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com), because it redirects to our forum. And you can see by yourself as well, look at the views for the last update (which is the redirect of http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com)). The site is being noticed and watched.
How do you know what Michael wants us to do about TS? There’re tons of message deliverers out there. And if Michael is spending time on the internet, he knows already about these fakes. Doesn’t he want us to be sure about TS and spread the message easily?
That is why TS is presenting facts and that is why he explains the previous update in the next, so you can see for yourself he is legit. The other fakers are only causing distraction and are predicting things that don’t come true, and then try to come up with an explanation. If you have truly read all of TS’s posts, and I mean everything, you would be sure about TS as well. Maybe some things are not clear in an update, in that case you can just ask in the comments, so others can explain, or TS himself in the next update.
Don't you think it's weird by itself that Jermaine only mentions TMZ? What about the Sun? Or Radar Online? Or ET online? TMZ was not the one posting the gay story for the first time. But TMZ has a link to this website on their page since June 25. Did it occur to you that Jermaine mentioned TMZ to get people to TMZ.com and maybe see the link to this website?
Jermaine mentioned TMZ because he was talking about the hearings and he said that TMZ were there shooting it and they laughed and it was very disrespectful. He wasn’t talking about the tabloids but about the hearings!
TS wasn’t the only one shooting it, The Sun still calls Mike Wacko Jacko and others call him gay, yet Jermaine doesn’t mention them.
Not everyone is involved in the hoax, it's not possible to let everyone sign confidentiality agreements. To me only the people working with him on TII and the people at the staged funeral are in, they have signed contracts and confidentiality agreements. Maybe one or two at FBI/UCLA/LAPD and the coroner's office and that's it.
Ok, so these make only “a few”?
Yes, only those necessary. You can’t pull this off on your own, you need help and he needed actors for the funeral. Some are probably close friends which we don’t know. With money and signed documents a lot can be done. Yet not half of Hollywood is involved, that’s simply impossible.
If TS would tell you plain out in advance what will happen in this hoax, would you still pay that much attention? If TS would tell you know Mike would return on a certain date, would you still keep investigating? No. You would lay back and wait for that date to come. That's not part of the plan, Mike needs us to dig and pay attention. TS mentioned enough things in advance that did came true.
I personally would keep on digging about the clues if TS told us about the hearings or Bamsday date etc. I want to learn every single thing. So I disagree with you about that too.
You maybe, and maybe some more, but believe me, LOTS and LOTS of people will stop digging. Don’t project everything to yourself and try to see the bigger picture.
TS never gave false hope about bamsday, because TS never mentioned when bamsday will be. And he won't either because of the reasons mentioned above, so don't count on that. And apparently you do care who he is, because you want him to say who he is, because else you think he is just another fake.
About false hope, you misleaded my words once more. You should have bolded the part that starts with “what if…” too. I never wrote that he gave us a Comeback date and that’s the false hope. I’m saying if Michael never ever comes back, all of these people would be waiting for him for years maybe. Wouldn’t that be a false hope?
And finally once again Souza, I do NOT care about his identity. Just find out to me where I wrote that thing! I do CARE if he’s related with Michael or not!!!
Well and if he told you he is related to Mike, would you believe it just like that?
About false hope: everyone can decide for themselves if they are willing to wait for weeks/months/years. I have faith in TS and Mike and I focus on the message, not his return, although I believe he will return because we can’t reach as much people as he can. We need his help as well.
And just a note; my posts are shown like they’re very negative about TS since I kept on writing that I do agree with his theories 80%! And I do believe in illuminati and NWO stuff. If I don’t post much it doesn’t mean that I don’t read them all. All I’m saying is; I want to be sure that TS is related with the Jacksons and The Jacksons give us a concrete clue about TS so that we can spread the message easily. So spreading the message is my thought too! So pls think about these before you decide that I’m a TS hater and jump on me! (speaking of general)
The Jacksons tweeted about the Army of Love already, after TS posted the thread. If that’s not enough confirmation, I’m not sure you will ever be satisfied. And I am not jumping on you, you post something and I reply and give you my opinion. You ask me, I answer. It’s called discussion. And I never said you are a TS hater, I only disagree you’re your post, you are way too offensive.
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One thread is enough, you can post all your critisizm in there, there is no need to make a new thread everytime you think of something new about the same subject. If I wouldn’t allow critisizm about TS, I would have locked them all. You are free to give your opinion, I just don’t want multiple threads about the same subject.
One thread is enough when we criticize TS but people can make lots of threads when they show LOVE for TS? Because I can see two posts with the same title on this page in which they both show LOVE for TS! Why didn’t you lock one of them?
And what information should he give you? And only because you want it? He has written almost 70.000 words in his posts with information. Does he have to spoon feed you more? Like I said before: Mike has a plan, TS posts only that info that is according to plan. If you want more information, you need to be patient and wait for update #7. You can also do your own investigation, like others. TS gives us the info he is supposed to give, not less, not more.
Well I don’t remember noone called TS to spoon feed us! You still like to mislead my words. My words were so open and clear but your answers has nothing to do with it. You just answer in a way how you can defend TS. But they don’t satisfy me.
TS said he is not MJ himself, but that he has information about the hoax. If you read the information, you can assume he is somehow related to Mike. In what way he is related is not important in my opinion. If you want to know, why don’t you post a comment in the latest update and ask him if he is related to Mike… I don’t really get the point here, but that might be just me.
Why do I need to ask someone who has already written that he’s related with the hoax and written that the Jacksons made that tweet for TIAI? But the problem is, do we believe that he’s really connected with the Jacksons and Michael? We already know his answer but how do we know that it is true? As I wrote before but maybe you missed to read it, the information he gives is incredibly fine BUT anyone could find those things and write them. There’re many hoax video and blog makers who find amazing things like TS and none of them are related with the Jacksons. They could claim they were related with the Jacksons. Would you believe them? I’m NOT underestimating TS, but I can’t underestimate the other smart video-blog makers. So no offense TS.
I think you forget that we can see statistics of the website, we can see how many people go to http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com), because it redirects to our forum. And you can see by yourself as well, look at the views for the last update (which is the redirect of http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com)). The site is being noticed and watched.
Yes, of course I do know that we can see how many people visited the forum BUT can we see how many of them read the entire post??? I personally asked a couple of non-believers and to some people who are not into any hoax issues if they would like to read a forum about how MJ and Elvis could fake their deaths. 3 of them said that “I would take a peek and if the thing seems interesting I would read but I don’t believe in these stuff. So I don’t pay attention”. 2 of them said “I don’t care about Elvis and MJ”, 1 of them said “I like mystery, so I would read”. Then I gave them the link of the page and asked them what they think. And let me tell you how many of them looked at the page but how many of them read it all. ALL of them opened the page BUT ONLY ONE of them read the entire thing and he said that he wasn’t satisfied! So, the number you see Souza, is just a number who open the web-page. It doesn’t mean that they read the entire thing and interested in it.
That is why TS is presenting facts and that is why he explains the previous update in the next, so you can see for yourself he is legit. The other fakers are only causing distraction and are predicting things that don’t come true, and then try to come up with an explanation. If you have truly read all of TS’s posts, and I mean everything, you would be sure about TS as well. Maybe some things are not clear in an update, in that case you can just ask in the comments, so others can explain, or TS himself in the next update.
I read every little thing that TS has been writing since the first forum and NO it doesn’t make me sure that he’s related with Michael and I’ve already explained why.
TS wasn’t the only one shooting it, The Sun still calls Mike Wacko Jacko and others call him gay, yet Jermaine doesn’t mention them.
TS was shooting the hearing? I think you were going to write TMZ but nevermind, I mistake TS and TMZ sometimes as TS explains TMZ’s posts so well lol Well as far as I know TMZ was the only one who was shooting the hearing. And Jerm prefered to talk about how disrespectful they were at the hearing.
Yes, only those necessary. You can’t pull this off on your own, you need help and he needed actors for the funeral. Some are probably close friends which we don’t know. With money and signed documents a lot can be done. Yet not half of Hollywood is involved, that’s simply impossible.
I seriously don’t want to count everyone who could possibly be in on the hoax because that would be such a very long list and THAT DOESN’T MAKE FEW!!!
Few: adj. 1. Amounting to or consisting of a small number
2. Being more than one but indefinitely small in number
n. 1. An indefinitely small number of persons or things
pron. A small number of persons or things
So a FEW definitely doesn’t match to describe the amount of people who are in on the hoax. You’re the one who says that the people who attented the funeral are in on the hoax. How many people were there? 20-30? There’re people more at the memorial who got on stage. NON of these numbers can be used to describe FEW people in on this hoax. Few could be used as “ a couple of people”. But we don’t have a couple of people who r in on the hoax, right? So maybe only this part can be seen as the debunk of TS!
You maybe, and maybe some more, but believe me, LOTS and LOTS of people will stop digging. Don’t project everything to yourself and try to see the bigger picture.
How many people do you think are there who trust TS 100%? I can see very few here on this forum who say that they believe TS. But what about the others? The ones who doesn’t believe him or who have hesitations about TS would have definitely kept on digging like me. So I don’t think that I’m projecting this issue to myself. But I think you’re projecting it to yourself and TS and a FEW TS believers.
Well and if he told you he is related to Mike, would you believe it just like that?
About false hope: everyone can decide for themselves if they are willing to wait for weeks/months/years. I have faith in TS and Mike and I focus on the message, not his return, although I believe he will return because we can’t reach as much people as he can. We need his help as well.
He/she has already mentioned that he’s related with the Jacksons and nope I don’t believe it because he/she couldn’t prove it which is NOT really understandable because that is so important to spread the message. Because of TS’ posts, people are expecting Michael to come back this summer. They may say that they can wait him forever, a couple of years or that’s ok if he doesn’t come back. LIES LIES LIES… Let me tell you one thing. If he doesn’t come back this summer, there will be only you, Mo and TS be left on this forum next year. And maybe those a FEW can stay with you but that’s all. The title TS made “Double BAM this summer?!?” and there would be no other update before the BAM, made people think that the BAMSDAY is so close. And I do wonder how you will stall(keep) and what you will say to these people if Michael doesn’t come back this year :)
The Jacksons tweeted about the Army of Love already, after TS posted the thread. If that’s not enough confirmation, I’m not sure you will ever be satisfied. And I am not jumping on you, you post something and I reply and give you my opinion. You ask me, I answer. It’s called discussion. And I never said you are a TS hater, I only disagree you’re your post, you are way too offensive.
Don’t you read the things I write Souza? So which part did you miss when I added speaking of general in parentheses? So, we can see who is projecting things to herself here, right? And actually I didn’t ask you anything! I just wrote my opinion about TS and you wanted to defend TS as usual and you replied by yourself. Anyways, let’s make a change and let me ask you a question fo real. I do want to know what you think about it. If Michael’s message is about NWO Illuminati, why didn’t he wear anything with the number 9 in TII? Couldn’t he give a clue himself to us in TII? We always hear his song TDCAU and he wore his lucky number 7 but why didn’t he wear number 9 anywhere if he’s trying to make illuminati’s number 6 upside down? I know what TDCAU is about and I watched Michael’s black panther video BUT if Michael made this hoax to expose NWO, why didn’t he SHOW us something related with it? Yeah the dates of the memorial and funeral are ok when you count them with the reckoning system but if you don’t count them with the reckoning you get extremely different numbers and theories. I believe that Michael would wear a shirt with a 9 on if his message was really about NWO/Illuminati. He didn’t want it to be so open maybe and that’s the reason why he didn’t use 6 but couldn’t he use 9? This’s my one and only question to you. I really would like to learn what you think about it.
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One thread is enough, you can post all your critisizm in there, there is no need to make a new thread everytime you think of something new about the same subject. If I wouldn’t allow critisizm about TS, I would have locked them all. You are free to give your opinion, I just don’t want multiple threads about the same subject.
One thread is enough when we criticize TS but people can make lots of threads when they show LOVE for TS? Because I can see two posts with the same title on this page in which they both show LOVE for TS! Why didn’t you lock one of them?
Well, that other thread was just made on July 2, and I have to tell you something: I am not spotting EVERYTHING here on the forum. That is why you can report a post to us and tell us it's double. No worries, only one left now. Next time, use the 'report this post' button please.
And what information should he give you? And only because you want it? He has written almost 70.000 words in his posts with information. Does he have to spoon feed you more? Like I said before: Mike has a plan, TS posts only that info that is according to plan. If you want more information, you need to be patient and wait for update #7. You can also do your own investigation, like others. TS gives us the info he is supposed to give, not less, not more.
Well I don’t remember noone called TS to spoon feed us! You still like to mislead my words. My words were so open and clear but your answers has nothing to do with it. You just answer in a way how you can defend TS. But they don’t satisfy me.
I don't think any of my words will ever satisfy you, simply because you don't agree with me and never will. If you have read all the updates, have thought it over and still think TS might be a troll, then I have nothing left to convince you. I read it all, I thought it over, used my common sense and know TS is legit. If you don't think so, that's fine by me, I would let it rest if I were you because it will give you a headache. Yet you clearly want to be convinced, otherwise you wouldn't reply again.
TS said he is not MJ himself, but that he has information about the hoax. If you read the information, you can assume he is somehow related to Mike. In what way he is related is not important in my opinion. If you want to know, why don’t you post a comment in the latest update and ask him if he is related to Mike… I don’t really get the point here, but that might be just me.
Why do I need to ask someone who has already written that he’s related with the hoax and written that the Jacksons made that tweet for TIAI? But the problem is, do we believe that he’s really connected with the Jacksons and Michael? We already know his answer but how do we know that it is true? As I wrote before but maybe you missed to read it, the information he gives is incredibly fine BUT anyone could find those things and write them. There’re many hoax video and blog makers who find amazing things like TS and none of them are related with the Jacksons. They could claim they were related with the Jacksons. Would you believe them? I’m NOT underestimating TS, but I can’t underestimate the other smart video-blog makers. So no offense TS.
Yes, it's all about believing. As long as TS doesn't show himself with Mike on a livestream, some will have doubts. That is why TS wrote you should read it all and let the evidence speak for itself. You would never believe who TS is if he told you, that is why he never did it. The Jacksons CAN'T just tweet about TIAI, because they can't speak up yet. Mike has a plan and the moment the Jacksons will tweet about TIAI, they are telling the world that Mike is not dead. It's not time for that yet.
I think you forget that we can see statistics of the website, we can see how many people go to http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com), because it redirects to our forum. And you can see by yourself as well, look at the views for the last update (which is the redirect of http://www.elvisandmj.com (http://www.elvisandmj.com)). The site is being noticed and watched.
Yes, of course I do know that we can see how many people visited the forum BUT can we see how many of them read the entire post??? I personally asked a couple of non-believers and to some people who are not into any hoax issues if they would like to read a forum about how MJ and Elvis could fake their deaths. 3 of them said that “I would take a peek and if the thing seems interesting I would read but I don’t believe in these stuff. So I don’t pay attention”. 2 of them said “I don’t care about Elvis and MJ”, 1 of them said “I like mystery, so I would read”. Then I gave them the link of the page and asked them what they think. And let me tell you how many of them looked at the page but how many of them read it all. ALL of them opened the page BUT ONLY ONE of them read the entire thing and he said that he wasn’t satisfied! So, the number you see Souza, is just a number who open the web-page. It doesn’t mean that they read the entire thing and interested in it.
I don't think your poll is very representative, yet if 1 out of 3 decided to read it all, it's a good score. This person may not have believed it, many will. I have let a lot of people read this too. out of 30 people, about 20 read it all, and only 2 said it was BS. The rest thought it was very interesting and told me they were going to check out the forum. These are friends of mine, not MJ fans, not Elvis fans.
That is why TS is presenting facts and that is why he explains the previous update in the next, so you can see for yourself he is legit. The other fakers are only causing distraction and are predicting things that don’t come true, and then try to come up with an explanation. If you have truly read all of TS’s posts, and I mean everything, you would be sure about TS as well. Maybe some things are not clear in an update, in that case you can just ask in the comments, so others can explain, or TS himself in the next update.
I read every little thing that TS has been writing since the first forum and NO it doesn’t make me sure that he’s related with Michael and I’ve already explained why.
Like I said, I don't think you can be convinced, that's fine. "It will all come out" one day.
TS wasn’t the only one shooting it, The Sun still calls Mike Wacko Jacko and others call him gay, yet Jermaine doesn’t mention them.
TS was shooting the hearing? I think you were going to write TMZ but nevermind, I mistake TS and TMZ sometimes as TS explains TMZ’s posts so well lol Well as far as I know TMZ was the only one who was shooting the hearing. And Jerm prefered to talk about how disrespectful they were at the hearing.
Yes I meant TMZ, and no I don't have TS and TMZ mixed up, in this case I only had some letters mixed up. TS and TMZ are not the same.
And no, TMZ was not the only one shooting the hearings, ET Online had a livestream as well.
Yes, only those necessary. You can’t pull this off on your own, you need help and he needed actors for the funeral. Some are probably close friends which we don’t know. With money and signed documents a lot can be done. Yet not half of Hollywood is involved, that’s simply impossible.
I seriously don’t want to count everyone who could possibly be in on the hoax because that would be such a very long list and THAT DOESN’T MAKE FEW!!!
Few: adj. 1. Amounting to or consisting of a small number
2. Being more than one but indefinitely small in number
n. 1. An indefinitely small number of persons or things
pron. A small number of persons or things
So a FEW definitely doesn’t match to describe the amount of people who are in on the hoax. You’re the one who says that the people who attented the funeral are in on the hoax. How many people were there? 20-30? There’re people more at the memorial who got on stage. NON of these numbers can be used to describe FEW people in on this hoax. Few could be used as “ a couple of people”. But we don’t have a couple of people who r in on the hoax, right? So maybe only this part can be seen as the debunk of TS!
I never said the people attending the memorial were in, get your facts straight please. Explain how you can debunk TS please, and don't use MY words for that, because I am not TS, although some people keep thinking that. I would like to challenge you and take one of the updates, and quote it completely like you did with my post and debunk every bit of it, or just a few.
You maybe, and maybe some more, but believe me, LOTS and LOTS of people will stop digging. Don’t project everything to yourself and try to see the bigger picture.
How many people do you think are there who trust TS 100%? I can see very few here on this forum who say that they believe TS. But what about the others? The ones who doesn’t believe him or who have hesitations about TS would have definitely kept on digging like me. So I don’t think that I’m projecting this issue to myself. But I think you’re projecting it to yourself and TS and a FEW TS believers.
I think there are many people on this forum that trust TS, maybe you are confused with another forum. And I don't really get why you seem so frustrated that I defend TS, why is that? I trust in TS completely and yet I keep digging myself as well, so again I don't get the point here.
Well and if he told you he is related to Mike, would you believe it just like that?
About false hope: everyone can decide for themselves if they are willing to wait for weeks/months/years. I have faith in TS and Mike and I focus on the message, not his return, although I believe he will return because we can’t reach as much people as he can. We need his help as well.
He/she has already mentioned that he’s related with the Jacksons and nope I don’t believe it because he/she couldn’t prove it which is NOT really understandable because that is so important to spread the message. Because of TS’ posts, people are expecting Michael to come back this summer. They may say that they can wait him forever, a couple of years or that’s ok if he doesn’t come back. LIES LIES LIES… Let me tell you one thing. If he doesn’t come back this summer, there will be only you, Mo and TS be left on this forum next year. And maybe those a FEW can stay with you but that’s all. The title TS made “Double BAM this summer?!?” and there would be no other update before the BAM, made people think that the BAMSDAY is so close. And I do wonder how you will stall(keep) and what you will say to these people if Michael doesn’t come back this year :)
You are focussing on bamsday too much. And if he won't return this summer, I know you won't return, but don't speak for others, because I am certain many will still be here if that's the case. You are someone that needs confirmation on everything, that's fine, but this hoax is not about you, it's about Mike.
The Jacksons tweeted about the Army of Love already, after TS posted the thread. If that’s not enough confirmation, I’m not sure you will ever be satisfied. And I am not jumping on you, you post something and I reply and give you my opinion. You ask me, I answer. It’s called discussion. And I never said you are a TS hater, I only disagree you’re your post, you are way too offensive.
Don’t you read the things I write Souza? So which part did you miss when I added speaking of general in parentheses? So, we can see who is projecting things to herself here, right? And actually I didn’t ask you anything! I just wrote my opinion about TS and you wanted to defend TS as usual and you replied by yourself. Anyways, let’s make a change and let me ask you a question fo real. I do want to know what you think about it. If Michael’s message is about NWO Illuminati, why didn’t he wear anything with the number 9 in TII? Couldn’t he give a clue himself to us in TII? We always hear his song TDCAU and he wore his lucky number 7 but why didn’t he wear number 9 anywhere if he’s trying to make illuminati’s number 6 upside down? I know what TDCAU is about and I watched Michael’s black panther video BUT if Michael made this hoax to expose NWO, why didn’t he SHOW us something related with it? Yeah the dates of the memorial and funeral are ok when you count them with the reckoning system but if you don’t count them with the reckoning you get extremely different numbers and theories. I believe that Michael would wear a shirt with a 9 on if his message was really about NWO/Illuminati. He didn’t want it to be so open maybe and that’s the reason why he didn’t use 6 but couldn’t he use 9? This’s my one and only question to you. I really would like to learn what you think about it.
Why do you ask me? Again: I am not TS! Post a comment in the update and ASK!
So, this was my last reply, I have said it all. Please show us all your debunk of TS, I'm looking forward to your post. Good luck.
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Just a quick note. I believe in TS. I do because I am trying to see the positive in this and when you use common sense the facts are there. TS has come to us for a reason. He is trying to help us find our way through all of the twists and turns. This is an investigative site, we are here to help Michael so you have a choice, you can look at TS as a negative or a positive. Isn't that the problem? Just to much negative in the world? I choose to believe in TS because of the positive. He has done a lot of work to guide us. I really don't care who he is, I just know he is here for a very good reason. I feel it. I think people are just getting a little frustrated and loosing site of a few things. But we are all here for one reason and that's Michael. So let's just keep plugging away, take a deep breath and move forward. Souza and Mo you are great , I really appreciate all you have done for us with this site. We maybe the Army of Love, but where would the Army of Love be without the two of you. Take care!
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I know what TDCAU is about and I watched Michael’s black panther video BUT if Michael made this hoax to expose NWO, why didn’t he SHOW us something related with it?
I guess you missed this one RestlessSoul. What Mike is showing us in his Black Panther video is CRYSTAL clear:
[youtube:3ddor1w3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKouvt2sOVY[/youtube:3ddor1w3]
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Could it be that the graffitti on the smashed windows was added later so that this was not giving the intial interpretation?
Wiki states this:
"Censorship
Controversy was generated concerning the last four minutes of the original music video. Jackson walks out of the studio as a black panther and then morphs into himself.[15] Then he walks outside to perform some of his most physically complicated dance techniques, in a similar way to "Billie Jean". This part contained sexually suggestive scenes when Jackson starts to grab his crotch[14], and then zips his pants up. In the original version, Jackson is seen smashing windows[14], destroying a car and causing an inn (called the "Royal Arms") to explode. Jackson later apologized saying that the violent and suggestive behavior was an interpretation of the animal instinct of a black panther, and MTV and other music video networks removed the last four minutes from subsequent broadcasts.[15] To make the vandalism more palatable to viewers, racist graffiti was digitally added to the windows that Jackson smashes (reading "KKK Rules", "Nigger Go Home", "Hitler Lives" and "No More Wetbacks").
To date, the uncut version has generally been seen in the United States on MTV2 only between the hours of 01:00 and 04:00, as part of their special uncensored airing of the "Most Controversial Music Videos" of all time. The extended version is also available on Jackson's DVDs. The original version (without graffiti) is available on the VHS cassette HIStory - The Video Greatest Hits, and online at MTVMusic.com. On Sunday, November 29, 2009, the FUSE cable channel aired the original version of "Black or White" (without graffiti) on its two-hour Remember His Time tribute wherein most of Jackson's music videos were played. The DVD with the same name contains only the "graffiti version"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_or_White
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Yes, it's all about believing. As long as TS doesn't show himself with Mike on a livestream, some will have doubts. That is why TS wrote you should read it all and let the evidence speak for itself. You would never believe who TS is if he told you, that is why he never did it. The Jacksons CAN'T just tweet about TIAI, because they can't speak up yet. Mike has a plan and the moment the Jacksons will tweet about TIAI, they are telling the world that Mike is not dead. It's not time for that yet.
TS doesn’t need to show himself with Michael. I’ve already written what he could do NOT only to prove he’s related with the Jacksons but also for us to spread the message easily. I know that you believe, I want TS to prove his relation with the Jacksons just for my own sake BUT it’s not like that. I do want to learn it not only for myself but also because I believe we could spread Michael is alive and his message easily. Once again, I never cared about TS’ identity. I just wanted to see something concrete.
The point I don’t get is, you always speak of Michael like you know what his plan is or what he wants us to do. What makes you 100% sure about all this Souza? I’m not attacking you, pls don’t get it that way. But I just want to know how you know what Michael is doing or what he wants us to do? And pls don’t use TS again because TS’ posts are NOT enough for us to understand what Michael is doing or what he wants us to do etc. Is there something you know more than we do? Pls share it with us. I’d love to learn. You just write like you exactly know what is going to happen. You wrote Jacksons is going to tweet about TIAI. How do you know it? How can you be this sure? Pls explain it to us, so we won’t have any further questions about what’s going to happen next.
I don't think your poll is very representative, yet if 1 out of 3 decided to read it all, it's a good score. This person may not have believed it, many will. I have let a lot of people read this too. out of 30 people, about 20 read it all, and only 2 said it was BS. The rest thought it was very interesting and told me they were going to check out the forum. These are friends of mine, not MJ fans, not Elvis fans.
Actually I asked 7 people, not 3. And 1 of them read it all and probably forgot all about it the next day because he said that he wasn’t convinced. You also shouldn’t forget that I’m talking with people on Twitter and FB and I do know what their reactions are through Elvis&MJ.com This’s just one of the tweets I read today. You can find the user with her username but let me copy and paste what she wrote about Elvis&MJ.com
walkietalkiee
Don't get me wrong but I think beLiEvers are going too far with the Elvis and MJ thing... I mean, double-bam? Shaamone guys... 9:30 PM Jul 3rd via web
And this person is a believer. So this double BAM thing is too far fetched for most of the people. I wrote what I observed. I still don’t believe that people would be interested in Elvis&MJ bam thing.
Like I said, I don't think you can be convinced, that's fine. "It will all come out" one day.
I hope that “day” is so close. And you know what Souza? I know that you believe the opposite BUT I do pray God that TS is legit! I do hope that I’m wrong. I WANT THAT WITH ALL MY HEART! I want to learn someday that TS is working for MJ or related to him and I’d LOVE to apologize from him/her. I want you to understand that I’m not in a race here like trying to debunk TS or make him look bad or useless. Contrarily I like MOST of his/her posts. Just except this Elvis issue and a couple more but that’s it. All I want is to be sure that he’s related with the Jacksons and to spread the message as soon as possible. And IF he’s really related with Michael and IF this’s what Michael wants it to be, I don’t get it and I don’t need to get it. Michael knows the best. He’s definitely a genius.
Yes I meant TMZ, and no I don't have TS and TMZ mixed up, in this case I only had some letters mixed up. TS and TMZ are not the same.
And no, TMZ was not the only one shooting the hearings, ET Online had a livestream as well.
ET online was shooting outside of the courthouse. I was talking about the inside of the courtroom and that’s what Jerm was talking about ;)
I never said the people attending the memorial were in, get your facts straight please. Explain how you can debunk TS please, and don't use MY words for that, because I am not TS, although some people keep thinking that. I would like to challenge you and take one of the updates, and quote it completely like you did with my post and debunk every bit of it, or just a few.
I didn’t write that you said people who attented the memorial were in on the hoax. I wrote you said people who attented the FUNERAL are in on the hoax. I get my facts so straight, no problem with that but I think you’re missing some of my sentences or don’t read them well. And I never said that I believe that you’re TS but I wrote that many people think that way. And I wrote that I didn’t come here to debunk TS. That’s what you asked from me to do all the time and the debunk word I used was just for sarcasm intention. And as I wrote before, I have no problem with the information he had given us (just don’t believe a FEW of them though) BUT my problem is with the information he hasn’t given yet and that is about his relation with Michael and the hoax. And still I don’t get why he used “A FEW” to describe all these people who are in on the hoax. Because definitely we don’t have “A FEW” people who knows about the hoax.
I think there are many people on this forum that trust TS, maybe you are confused with another forum. And I don't really get why you seem so frustrated that I defend TS, why is that? I trust in TS completely and yet I keep digging myself as well, so again I don't get the point here.
I do see who trust TS and who don’t. And don’t believe every person who says that they believe TS on this forum Souza. People can be such hypocrites unfortunately and I read some of their tweets and how they are confused about TS but I’m surprised to see them here writing supporting words to TS. I can’t wait to see you LOTS of TS supporters making Elvis&MJdotcom a TT on Twitter. If you’re so many, you can easily make it a TT like we once did MJsAlive a TT ;)
You are focussing on bamsday too much. And if he won't return this summer, I know you won't return, but don't speak for others, because I am certain many will still be here if that's the case. You are someone that needs confirmation on everything, that's fine, but this hoax is not about you, it's about Mike.
I totally disagree with you on that. IF Michael’s message is about NWO and Illuminati, this hoax is about ME, about YOU, about EVERY EACH OF US! It’s definitely NOT ONLY about Michael. You have to get this straight if you believe that Michael has a message ;)
Why do you ask me? Again: I am not TS! Post a comment in the update and ASK!
So, this was my last reply, I have said it all. Please show us all your debunk of TS, I'm looking forward to your post. Good luck.
Ok, firstly I’m NOT mad at you for defending TS. I just don’t think that TS needs to be defended. Second of all, I just wanted to learn your opinion about my question. But that’s ok if you don’t want to answer. No need to get pissed. I didn’t ask it to you because I think that you’re TS. I just wanted to know what you think about it. I know TS doesn’t answer our posts with a post, and he/she is NOT going to write before the BAM. So there’s NO need for me to ask him now AND I’m sure that she/he is reading this post already :) And ahhhh once again you want me to debunk TS in spite of the fact that I had written many times that I LOVE TS’ posts but just don’t agree with some of them.
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Just a quick note. I believe in TS. I do because I am trying to see the positive in this and when you use common sense the facts are there. TS has come to us for a reason. He is trying to help us find our way through all of the twists and turns. This is an investigative site, we are here to help Michael so you have a choice, you can look at TS as a negative or a positive. Isn't that the problem? Just to much negative in the world? I choose to believe in TS because of the positive. He has done a lot of work to guide us. I really don't care who he is, I just know he is here for a very good reason. I feel it. I think people are just getting a little frustrated and loosing site of a few things. But we are all here for one reason and that's Michael. So let's just keep plugging away, take a deep breath and move forward. Souza and Mo you are great , I really appreciate all you have done for us with this site. We maybe the Army of Love, but where would the Army of Love be without the two of you. Take care!
The point is, this post of mine is NOT a negative post like the way many people want to believe. We're just criticizing about TS, that's all. And I wrote that I do agree with MOST of his posts and I wrote on what I disagree with him/her. I don't get why people need to support Souza and MO here like I said something negative about them.
Ok you say that you chose to believe TS because of being positive, right? Do you believe in every person who says that they're related with Michael just for being positive? And may I learn in what way do you believe TS? Do you believe the information he/she gives or do you believe that she/he is related with Michael? Or do you believe both of them to be positive? Because I see that people are so confused and it is so hard for them to understand that I do LIKE TS' posts and just except a couple of thing, I DO AGREE and believe with the things she/he had written. So I wonder why you think that I don't believe ANYTHING TS does?! I never underestimated the work TS has done on this forum. So may I learn what your post's point of view is? And what do you believe about TS? Do you know what we have been talking about? I'm not arguing with noone here, not with Souza or not with someone else. But I want you to get the facts right here and stop writing like I'm doing such a terrible thing for TS. Thank You.
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I know what TDCAU is about and I watched Michael’s black panther video BUT if Michael made this hoax to expose NWO, why didn’t he SHOW us something related with it?
I guess you missed this one RestlessSoul. What Mike is showing us in his Black Panther video is CRYSTAL clear:
[youtube:23pakmxu]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKouvt2sOVY[/youtube:23pakmxu]
No, I didn't miss it and this video is EXACTLY what I was talking about Mo. I just wonder why we didn't have any single clue in TII about NWO and Illuminati. I gave an example and said that Michael could wear a shirt with the number 9 on. Just an example. But we had nothing. So, if the message is about NWO, why didn't he use anything related with that in TII. That was my question and just wanted to learn what Souza thinks about it but I think she got it wrong. I didn't ask the question with other intentions, I just wanted to learn her opinion about it. I would love to learn yours too if you would like to share. I do know what Michael has been trying to tell us. I just don't get why we haven't seen anything related with it in TII.
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Hi Restlessoul. Actually I'm 100% convinced that TS is related with the Jacksons. It's not only Jacksons wrote about Army of L.O.V.E or used the "revealed" word in their tweet. You wrote that you read all of TS posts, so I think you remember when he wrote and explained how Jermaine paused for a while when he said "airport" instead of hospital. I'm talking about the interview Jermaine made and he said "Michael was at the airport before we arrived". You remember that video, don't you? I tried to find where TS wrote about it but couldn't find it. So that would be nice if someone could help me about it. And TS explained us how he paused for a while just before he said the word "airport". So that wasn't definitely a slip-up. Jermaine did it on purpose. But I hadn't realized that Jermaine paused there for a while until TS wrote about it. Now I want you to watch this video. Jermaine tells another story about Michael and pls take a look how he pauses for a while again before he used the word "ALIVE". He just does the way TS explained it to us. Jermaine knows what he is doing and to me TS knows what he's doing too. :D I don't know if this could be a sign for you but to me, it is definitely something that shows TS is related with Jermaine at least ;)
Here is the video and the story begins at 01:40
[youtube:35n8bvsw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2TM01-xGEQ[/youtube:35n8bvsw]
P.S: This's such an amazing video btw, just except the double thing at the end of the video. That's definitely an impersonator, not Michael. :D
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Restless Soul I commend you.
Okay, let's see if I understand.
TIAI makes these almost daily redirects and then about two and a half months later , he/she comes to the forum to explain the reasoning behind the redirects. Some people call them "predictions". Line by line it is being explained the reason for the redirects and why hoaxers must be paying attention to them and learning Michael Jackson's message. The majorative reasons are: NWO, Illuminati, World corruptions, climate changes, conspiracy theories and all the rest. Hmmmm.
TS must be trusted since he "predicted" all the "clues" that Michael gave in THIS IS IT movie/dvd/blu-ray disc releases.
TS must be trusted as he/she is the only one to explain the autograph code that Michael used in his signatures since the 1980's.
TS must be trusted because the Jackson brothers used the word 'Revealed' in one of their tweets.
TS must be trusted because Michael Jackson is a genius (and he is) who through numerology, Egyptian and Jewish mysticism, lunar phases, studying previous persons who may hoaxed their deaths, studying the financial markets, studying the Mayan calendar, studying the Holy Scriptures, studying and analyzing old Hollywood movies, etc. to come to the cumulative and precise date of June 25, 2009 to perform the Greatest Show On Earth, that being to hoax his death!
Hmmmmm.
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In the meantime several things are not being mentioned by TS.
The key players in a potential murder cover-up. Frank Dileo, Tohme Tohme, John Branca, John McClain, Colony Capital, AEG, Philip Anschultz, Kenny Ortega (oh yeah, he was mentioned recently as one that Michael "learned to trust".)Randy Phillips, Tommy Motolla, Sycamore Valley Ranch, LLC. , Howard Weitzman, AG Steve Conley, Prince Waleed, Al Malnik, Peter Lopez (whom I believe was silenced), Tom Barrack, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Geraldo (all of which are running scared and afraid to say anything let alone fight for Michael) obvious and apparent division among the Jackson family, Martin Bandier, the Sony/ATV catalog, Michael's master recordings which were due to revert to him in July 2009!
Hmmm.
No mention about that.
TS is able to predict things but funny nothing was said about the obvious printing of E'Cassanova's picture on the statue there in Gary.
TS says nothing about Katherine Jackson's book or potential movie contract.
TS says nothing about Katherine's and the children's allowance even though the estate raked in 1 Billion Dollars!
TS made no mention of the disgusting gay rumors involving Jason Phieffer (I was really looking forward to a mention in the Update #6 but nothing)
TS made no mention of Grace's departure, Alavarez's departure, Omer's departure.
TS made no mention of Pearl, Jr's e-moviebook.
Now remember...TS is able to "predict" things.
Seems like smoke and mirrors and massive distraction.
Restless Soul, you've made some great points. You're great and You are Thinking for Yourself.
Now here is the kicker....
The barometer I used to measure the trustworthiness of TS....
Michael in all his brillance....never saw coming....
The 1993 and 2003 child molestation charges!!!!!
BTW: It's Michael and not Mike.
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BTW: It's Michael and not Mike.
I will call him Mike, whether you like it or not. If he doesn't like it HE can tell me that, I don't think you are able to speak for the man.
Oh and BTW: we pay close attention to people posting who use a program that changes their IP address every couple of minutes.
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Ok I have stayed quiet, mostly, in this topic because I let my thoughts be known in the other topics that the OP created about this but I just need to say something here.
The OP is wanting TS to PROVE that he is related to Michael in whatever way he can but the one thing I keep seeing the OP mention is the Jackson's tweeting about TIAI to prove it. Souza CLEARLY stated in one of her replies that THEY CAN NOT DO THIS without it being the "BAM"! This topic keeps coming back up to the top with the same things being said over and over, "TS needs to PROVE TO ME that he's related!" If TS could prove that to you without blowing the entire hoax out of the water before Michael is ready, it probably would have already been done. Or maybe not, since he is obviously wanting people to look at the evidence he is giving and making up their own mind without having a name attached to it. By pretty much demanding that he prove himself to you, you are completely disrespecting him because this is not something he is wanting to do, YET! Give it a rest. If you believe what he says, then you do not need proof. Other people can read it for themselves and make up their own minds. If they don't read it, then they obviously aren't that interested in the entire hoax thing and there's nothing you can do to force them to. And there is nothing you can do to force TS to prove himself to you so there is no need to keep on about it. It's not going to get you anywhere. When the time is right, all will come out and then you will know.
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Ok I have stayed quiet, mostly, in this topic because I let my thoughts be known in the other topics that the OP created about this but I just need to say something here.
The OP is wanting TS to PROVE that he is related to Michael in whatever way he can but the one thing I keep seeing the OP mention is the Jackson's tweeting about TIAI to prove it. Souza CLEARLY stated in one of her replies that THEY CAN NOT DO THIS without it being the "BAM"! This topic keeps coming back up to the top with the same things being said over and over, "TS needs to PROVE TO ME that he's related!" If TS could prove that to you without blowing the entire hoax out of the water before Michael is ready, it probably would have already been done. Or maybe not, since he is obviously wanting people to look at the evidence he is giving and making up their own mind without having a name attached to it. By pretty much demanding that he prove himself to you, you are completely disrespecting him because this is not something he is wanting to do, YET! Give it a rest. If you believe what he says, then you do not need proof. Other people can read it for themselves and make up their own minds. If they don't read it, then they obviously aren't that interested in the entire hoax thing and there's nothing you can do to force them to. And there is nothing you can do to force TS to prove himself to you so there is no need to keep on about it. It's not going to get you anywhere. When the time is right, all will come out and then you will know.
Thank you...
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Restless Soul I commend you.
Okay, let's see if I understand.
TIAI makes these almost daily redirects and then about two and a half months later , he/she comes to the forum to explain the reasoning behind the redirects. Some people call them "predictions". Line by line it is being explained the reason for the redirects and why hoaxers must be paying attention to them and learning Michael Jackson's message. The majorative reasons are: NWO, Illuminati, World corruptions, climate changes, conspiracy theories and all the rest. Hmmmm.
TS must be trusted since he "predicted" all the "clues" that Michael gave in THIS IS IT movie/dvd/blu-ray disc releases.
TS must be trusted as he/she is the only one to explain the autograph code that Michael used in his signatures since the 1980's.
TS must be trusted because the Jackson brothers used the word 'Revealed' in one of their tweets.
TS must be trusted because Michael Jackson is a genius (and he is) who through numerology, Egyptian and Jewish mysticism, lunar phases, studying previous persons who may hoaxed their deaths, studying the financial markets, studying the Mayan calendar, studying the Holy Scriptures, studying and analyzing old Hollywood movies, etc. to come to the cumulative and precise date of June 25, 2009 to perform the Greatest Show On Earth, that being to hoax his death!
Hmmmmm.
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In the meantime several things are not being mentioned by TS.
The key players in a potential murder cover-up. Frank Dileo, Tohme Tohme, John Branca, John McClain, Colony Capital, AEG, Philip Anschultz, Kenny Ortega (oh yeah, he was mentioned recently as one that Michael "learned to trust".)Randy Phillips, Tommy Motolla, Sycamore Valley Ranch, LLC. , Howard Weitzman, AG Steve Conley, Prince Waleed, Al Malnik, Peter Lopez (whom I believe was silenced), Tom Barrack, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson and Geraldo (all of which are running scared and afraid to say anything let alone fight for Michael) obvious and apparent division among the Jackson family, Martin Bandier, the Sony/ATV catalog, Michael's master recordings which were due to revert to him in July 2009!
Hmmm.
No mention about that.
TS is able to predict things but funny nothing was said about the obvious printing of E'Cassanova's picture on the statue there in Gary.
TS says nothing about Katherine Jackson's book or potential movie contract.
TS says nothing about Katherine's and the children's allowance even though the estate raked in 1 Billion Dollars!
TS made no mention of the disgusting gay rumors involving Jason Phieffer (I was really looking forward to a mention in the Update #6 but nothing)
TS made no mention of Grace's departure, Alavarez's departure, Omer's departure.
TS made no mention of Pearl, Jr's e-moviebook.
Now remember...TS is able to "predict" things.
Seems like smoke and mirrors and massive distraction.
Restless Soul, you've made some great points. You're great and You are Thinking for Yourself.
Now here is the kicker....
The barometer I used to measure the trustworthiness of TS....
Michael in all his brillance....never saw coming....
The 1993 and 2003 child molestation charges!!!!!
BTW: It's Michael and not Mike.
TS never told anything about the things that are going to happen in the future. And about the things he wrote, he used "prediction" word. I didn't get that one too. If you're related with hoax somehow and you know things, why do you call the things you know as "predictions"? So he/she was predicting things that could happen only and that makes her/him an investigator like the rest of us. As I've always written, I don't have a problem about the things he had written but I have problem with the things he never wrote about. BUT if he/she's really related with the hoax, these could be the only information he was asked to share with us. But still that "prediction" word confuse me a lot. Thank you for sharing your thoughts about TS. :)
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@KacylovesMJ and others
The point that most of you do NOT understand is, I've always and always written why I want TS to be proved by the Jacksons. It's NOT just for myself like the way you accuse me. I also want it because everyone will understand that TS is really related with the Jacksons and we can spread Michael's message easily! So which part don't you get about this? You think that I'm asking it for selfish reasons but it's NOT! Don't you want to spread Michael's message? So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS. Even if this is Michael's message, and even if TS is related with the hoax, this is NOT the way to spread it. Sorry but you guys are on the wrong path! I don't believe that Michael would want us to believe TS when on the other side lots of things are going on like the first year anniversary, the book and films his mother is going to publish, Murray's hearings, Joe's suing AEG, Murray and the two clinics, Randy's words and so on and on! We are confused, we're terrified, we're scared! We just want to know if he's alive and fine and that's all. When all of this drama going on around, how could Michael ask from us to believe in TS only? Sorry but that would be something selfish and that's definitely NOT Michael's nature. Do NOT tell me that I don't know Michael because I DO! Maybe I'm NOT hired by him but this man has been in my life for more than 35 years!
If Michael had a message about NWO and illuminati he would have shown us a clue in TII! Where were the clues? If Michael had a message to be spread out, he would have done something, found a better way to make it spread out. He would have told TS to do what I had been offering to do. He would have understood how important this is for the sake of the message. Doesn't he see that you can not spread it like this? If he's following the forum like you say? Of course he does, so why isn't he doing something? No, Michael is a genius and I'm 100% sure that he would do something else. And if he was going to come back all of these things wouldn't go this deep! He's waiting for us to spread the message before he comes back like you said? I don't think so because you're running circles and this will make him wait forever! I want everyone to think with their own logic. Most of you guys are like parrots. You keep on telling the same old story that you heard from a storyteller. Isn't it enough? I'm telling you to think out of the box. I know that you were told that if you believed in storytellers, you would be thinking out of the box but what if they were putting you in a box? Don't forget to think the other side of the story. The story could be right but what if it's wrong? I'm just telling you to think both sides. I'm giving you both of the reasons why it could be right and why it could be wrong. You do the same and ask yourselves why it could be bad or hard if TS did the thing we had been asking from him/her to do? Wouldn't it be easier to spread the message? Wouldn't you all be relieved? Be honest to yourselves and think once more.
Love and Peace.
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Hi Restlessoul. Actually I'm 100% convinced that TS is related with the Jacksons. It's not only Jacksons wrote about Army of L.O.V.E or used the "revealed" word in their tweet. You wrote that you read all of TS posts, so I think you remember when he wrote and explained how Jermaine paused for a while when he said "airport" instead of hospital. I'm talking about the interview Jermaine made and he said "Michael was at the airport before we arrived". You remember that video, don't you? I tried to find where TS wrote about it but couldn't find it. So that would be nice if someone could help me about it. And TS explained us how he paused for a while just before he said the word "airport". So that wasn't definitely a slip-up. Jermaine did it on purpose. But I hadn't realized that Jermaine paused there for a while until TS wrote about it. Now I want you to watch this video. Jermaine tells another story about Michael and pls take a look how he pauses for a while again before he used the word "ALIVE". He just does the way TS explained it to us. Jermaine knows what he is doing and to me TS knows what he's doing too. :D I don't know if this could be a sign for you but to me, it is definitely something that shows TS is related with Jermaine at least ;)
Here is the video and the story begins at 01:40
[youtube:1w5dxpgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2TM01-xGEQ[/youtube:1w5dxpgg]
P.S: This's such an amazing video btw, just except the double thing at the end of the video. That's definitely an impersonator, not Michael. :D
Sorry but I had realized where Jermaine stops before he said airport before TS wrote about it. So this's not a sign or a clue that TS is related with the Jacksons. But nice video btw. :)
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Dear RestlessSoul,
I am helping you in your search for the connection to the Jacksons, It has been there ALL this time, TS has stated in a few of the updates how to find the answers to your questions, you just needed to REALLY pay attention to details...(even the tiny ones) lol
I do get your reasoning of looking at trusting TS from both sides of the story and your right and I agree.
However I see this a little differently here in what "the actual" thought process "is" and what the people are putting their 100% trust into.
My thinking is this, you have a limited knowledge of what the people are "thinking" and "trusting" and "believing" because not everyone posts their thoughts out, I am one of those people..
So you can't fairly or objectively come to a conclusion that people are NOT thinking for themselves, researching or thinking from both sides..
I just gave you your answer, I didn't even post all of what I know and how I found it, there is to much clues and info to copy and paste from TS updates, links, that I would be here ALL day.
Even if a code was given, it shouldn't matter if TS is related whether "the message" gets out or not..
It is up to US who believe in "the message" to get it out there one way or another, just because a TS says he is related through a code word doesn't make it "more" believable, NO offense to the Jacksons, I love them ALL even Joe, lol
But that isn't what does it for me in whether I put "the message" out there, or I can spread it easy, what does it, IS my FAITH in "the right thing" to do it and "the message" itself.
Peace
This info comes from TIAI UPDATE 2 and the tweets come from the ALLJACKSON tweet account, referencing their TV show and the update given clues to the reasons for the tweets "revealing" connections to MJ and the info being presented by TS.
You just have to connect dots and come to a conclusion.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
8:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
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2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day
Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7933369787)}.
First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet. The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910852947; http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080 (http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS/status/7910861080)}. This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=82}.
The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ. Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {http://twitter.com/ALLJACK5ONS; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.
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RestlessSoul, this is the last time I'm gonna post on this topic or any other where it states stuff like this. One more time, let's look at the time that the Jacksons DID tweet something that TS started:
Recruiting Soldiers for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
Postby TS » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:36 am
Do you see the date that this was posted? This is the first time that this was said, "Army of L.O.V.E.", at least that I can remember. Now let's look at this:
Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 11:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
So, TS posts about an Army of L.O.V.E. for Michael on December 22, 2009 and then JERMAINE tweets about the very same thing AND tells the media that they should take notice on March 11th, 2010. If you do not see this as a "sign" that you have been wanting, then I hate to say it but you are being stubborn.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
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RestlessSoul, this is the last time I'm gonna post on this topic or any other where it states stuff like this. One more time, let's look at the time that the Jacksons DID tweet something that TS started:
Recruiting Soldiers for Michael’s Army of L.O.V.E.
Postby TS » Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:36 am
Do you see the date that this was posted? This is the first time that this was said, "Army of L.O.V.E.", at least that I can remember. Now let's look at this:
Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J 11:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
So, TS posts about an Army of L.O.V.E. for Michael on December 22, 2009 and then JERMAINE tweets about the very same thing AND tells the media that they should take notice on March 11th, 2010. If you do not see this as a "sign" that you have been wanting, then I hate to say it but you are being stubborn.
May I ask how long you have been in this hoax issue Kacy? Because I've been in it since last August and you know what, TS is NOT the first person who used ARMY OF L.O.V.E!!! Fans had been using that word already on Facebook!!! And I'm 100% sure of that! So what? TS wrote Army of L.O.V.E and 3 months later Jermaine used it in a tweet. Is this what makes you believe in TS? Sorry but this proves NOTHING! Jermaine probably heard it from the fans and used it.
However, I will give another hint on my identity, and the source for my information: so far, I have only seen one discussion that was correct. Should Jacksons tweet about This Is Also It, as some have suggested, so that there will be no doubt? Actually, I already addressed this very question in Update #2 {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=3965}. See also Update 5a, section 5-2, comment about 5-5 redirect: a very similar tweet that was also from Jermaine {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=9726}.
Yeah yeah yeah all you do is to copy and paste TS posts. That "reveal" word doesn't prove ANYTHING! That could be a coincidence for the Jacksons to use that word. It's no big deal. Pls give me a concerete proof that shows TS is related with the Jacksons. Not these stories.
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
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@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
8:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
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I'm so sorry but I couldn't understand these. Can you pls help me to understand. Where do I need to look when I click on that FB page? All I see is the THE JACKSONS: FAMILY DYNASTY TV SERIES page on FB. What's the connection with TS? I don't get what you mean with "What does that say?! Look at where the arrows point to" part. Which arrow are you talking about? Can you pls explain. Thank you.
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
My help wouldn't save you, sorry. And yes I told you that you weren't going to do it a TT. Because there're very few people who believe TS. I know that TS reads the forum and this post. And it's my desicion to ask TS or not, so don't tell me what to do pls. I'm doing what I want to do already. Thank you.
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
My help wouldn't save you, sorry. And yes I told you that you weren't going to do it a TT. Because there're very few people who believe TS. I know that TS reads the forum and this post. And it's my desicion to ask TS or not, so don't tell me what to do pls. I'm doing what I want to do already. Thank you.
But you're acting as if everyone else should contact or ask TS or something! I don't think it's an issue of the amount of peeps that believe in him, either, I think it's just really hard to break into that TT thing because of all the darn attention that World Cup is getting from like millions of peeps..
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@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
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I'm so sorry but I couldn't understand these. Can you pls help me to understand. Where do I need to look when I click on that FB page? All I see is the THE JACKSONS: FAMILY DYNASTY TV SERIES page on FB. What's the connection with TS? I don't get what you mean with "What does that say?! Look at where the arrows point to" part. Which arrow are you talking about? Can you pls explain. Thank you.
Dear RestlessSoul,
I am helping you in your search for the connection to the Jacksons, It has been there ALL this time, TS has stated in a few of the updates how to find the answers to your questions, you just needed to REALLY pay attention to details...(even the tiny ones) lol
:ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
I guess YOU missed those tiny little details. And the fact that I even helped you in your search with NO Thank you from you at all or the fact that I answered your question on thinking process or belief system escaped your eyes also in my post to you again with NO thank you to me at all.
YOUR WELCOME
peace
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
My help wouldn't save you, sorry. And yes I told you that you weren't going to do it a TT. Because there're very few people who believe TS. I know that TS reads the forum and this post. And it's my desicion to ask TS or not, so don't tell me what to do pls. I'm doing what I want to do already. Thank you.
But you're acting as if everyone else should contact or ask TS or something! I don't think it's an issue of the amount of peeps that believe in him, either, I think it's just really hard to break into that TT thing because of all the darn attention that World Cup is getting from like millions of peeps..
I'm sorry but what are you talking about? To who did I ask to contact TS or ask TS something? This's my post that I made to cirticize TS. IF you have something to say about TS you say it, if you don't have anything to say then you move on. I think I have a right here to tell my opinion about TS, right? So why does it bother you what I'm writing since they're my opinion!
And I don't believe it's about the World Cup though. It's about how many people and how many different accounts make that tweet at the same time. So darnnn lol
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@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
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I'm so sorry but I couldn't understand these. Can you pls help me to understand. Where do I need to look when I click on that FB page? All I see is the THE JACKSONS: FAMILY DYNASTY TV SERIES page on FB. What's the connection with TS? I don't get what you mean with "What does that say?! Look at where the arrows point to" part. Which arrow are you talking about? Can you pls explain. Thank you.
Dear RestlessSoul,
I am helping you in your search for the connection to the Jacksons, It has been there ALL this time, TS has stated in a few of the updates how to find the answers to your questions, you just needed to REALLY pay attention to details...(even the tiny ones) lol
:ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
I guess YOU missed those tiny little details. And the fact that I even helped you in your search with NO Thank you from you at all or the fact that I answered your question on thinking process or belief system escaped your eyes also in my post to you again with NO thank you to me at all.
YOUR WELCOME
peace
Hmm yeah I think it's me who misses small parts :lol: Girl don't you see the Thank you at the end of my post to you? And I seriously couldn't understand what you mean with that FB page and asked you politely to tell me there's what on that FB page. I don't get why you offended and answered like this? But it's your choice of course.
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Ok I said I wasn't going to post here anymore but you replied to me in such a way that you knew it would make me respond again. This is a manipulation tactic and I mean it this time, after this one, I WILL NOT reply to you again because what I see from you is that you just want to start an argument with everyone that believes in TS and I don't care what kind of "I believe in 80% of what TS says" things you say, I can see through that now. You asked how long I've been involved in this hoax. SINCE THIS MONTH LAST YEAR! It was 2 weeks after the memorial that I started seeing things were not adding up with all of this and made me question his death so DO NOT try to belittle me with your comments. Michael would not want any of us to do that and all I see that you are doing is trying to create division which is something else he would not want us to do. So I answered your question and I will not reply to your smugness. Have a great day/evening.
And btw, my sign up date to THIS forum is later in the year but I was a part of the old forum under the SAME name.
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@ restlesssoul
My question is why are you trying so hard to disprove TS?
No one is forcing you to believe in them and you have accused Souza & Mo and myself of all being TS.
I would like to know why you have chosen these individuals to single out in your campaign to prove TS a fraud. Make up your mind or do you randomly pick a new "your TS" each day you log on?
You make no other contributions to this forum at all. Your posts are only about this topic. We can all look to see where you have posted. Why aren't you adding anything else but this negativity?
I think you are simply a distraction. Perhaps you have an agenda all your own. If you can make accusations about others without any proof than I come to a conclusion about what the motive is behind this obsession you seem to have developed.
I am done responding or even reading anymore of this circular logic and rambling. Take care and open your mind to the truth cause it's waiting for you to discover it.
L.O.V.E and Light
oh and Im_convincedmjalive wanted you to look here
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts<<<
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts<<<
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@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
8:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
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I'm so sorry but I couldn't understand these. Can you pls help me to understand. Where do I need to look when I click on that FB page? All I see is the THE JACKSONS: FAMILY DYNASTY TV SERIES page on FB. What's the connection with TS? I don't get what you mean with "What does that say?! Look at where the arrows point to" part. Which arrow are you talking about? Can you pls explain. Thank you.
Dear RestlessSoul,
I am helping you in your search for the connection to the Jacksons, It has been there ALL this time, TS has stated in a few of the updates how to find the answers to your questions, you just needed to REALLY pay attention to details...(even the tiny ones) lol
:ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
I guess YOU missed those tiny little details. And the fact that I even helped you in your search with NO Thank you from you at all or the fact that I answered your question on thinking process or belief system escaped your eyes also in my post to you again with NO thank you to me at all.
YOUR WELCOME
peace
Hmm yeah I think it's me who misses small parts :lol: Girl don't you see the Thank you at the end of my post to you? And I seriously couldn't understand what you mean with that FB page and asked you politely to tell me there's what on that FB page. I don't get why you offended and answered like this? But it's your choice of course.
I am glad your at least Laughing NOW instead of frustration. I did see your Thank You but it is a Thank you for your REQUEST to explain where you should LOOK in the clues I provided you already. In everything I posted I made references to small details.
And I am NOT offended at all, my response to what you wrote and NOT thanking me was to the fact that I went out of my way to help you in your search and I didn't have to.
Also no thank you to answering your questions in your long post about asking ourselves WHY we should believe in TS. I gave you my reasoning on me only and what I believe.
I can't give you anymore help than I already have. I am on a "Clue" mission and playing this wonderful game of "Clue" in cyber space. A real life "Who dun it" and "Where" THANKS to Michael, lol
Peace
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Ok I said I wasn't going to post here anymore but you replied to me in such a way that you knew it would make me respond again. This is a manipulation tactic and I mean it this time, after this one, I WILL NOT reply to you again because what I see from you is that you just want to start an argument with everyone that believes in TS and I don't care what kind of "I believe in 80% of what TS says" things you say, I can see through that now. You asked how long I've been involved in this hoax. SINCE THIS MONTH LAST YEAR! It was 2 weeks after the memorial that I started seeing things were not adding up with all of this and made me question his death so DO NOT try to belittle me with your comments. Michael would not want any of us to do that and all I see that you are doing is trying to create division which is something else he would not want us to do. So I answered your question and I will not reply to your smugness. Have a great day/evening.
And btw, my sign up date to THIS forum is later in the year but I was a part of the old forum under the SAME name.
Ok, first of did you see me arguing with someone? Ahh trust me if that was what I wanted to do, I would do it when 3 or 4 people jumped on me at the same time ;) Calm down Kacy, ok ok you're the BEST hoaxer, you won the game lol So you're in the hoax thing for a long time but how come you do NOT have an idea about the Army of L.O.V.E thing? Ohh this's a question and I shouldn't ask you one right? Ok sorry got it back. And I'm so sorry to disagree with you about TS lol yeah I'm the one who doesn't think in that little box. I'm making a division? How am I doing it, can you pls explain it to me? ohh wait you can't do that either. Did I tell someone to distrust TS? Did I force someone to make a post here? You're the one who came to this post and wrote your idea. Do you want this place to be a worship place for TS? Everyone in this universe has to agree with you about TS and the ones who don't, are bad people, they're making division? Ohh how mature really. Sorry but no more answering your smugness even if you write or not :lol:
P.S: Soon this post will be locked no worries about that and you could keep on living in your small boxes ;)
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@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet what's up @titojackson5, it's Jermaine
2:56 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag ... 388?ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/THE-JACKSONS-FAMILY-DYNASTY-TV-SERIES/195237226388?ref=ts) <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Jackson Fans are an army of L.O.V.E. The media should take notice. Always, Jermaine J
8:06 PM Mar 11th via TweetDeck
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I'm so sorry but I couldn't understand these. Can you pls help me to understand. Where do I need to look when I click on that FB page? All I see is the THE JACKSONS: FAMILY DYNASTY TV SERIES page on FB. What's the connection with TS? I don't get what you mean with "What does that say?! Look at where the arrows point to" part. Which arrow are you talking about? Can you pls explain. Thank you.
Dear RestlessSoul,
I am helping you in your search for the connection to the Jacksons, It has been there ALL this time, TS has stated in a few of the updates how to find the answers to your questions, you just needed to REALLY pay attention to details...(even the tiny ones) lol
:ugeek: :ugeek: :ugeek:
I guess YOU missed those tiny little details. And the fact that I even helped you in your search with NO Thank you from you at all or the fact that I answered your question on thinking process or belief system escaped your eyes also in my post to you again with NO thank you to me at all.
YOUR WELCOME
peace
Hmm yeah I think it's me who misses small parts :lol: Girl don't you see the Thank you at the end of my post to you? And I seriously couldn't understand what you mean with that FB page and asked you politely to tell me there's what on that FB page. I don't get why you offended and answered like this? But it's your choice of course.
I am glad your at least Laughing NOW instead of frustration. I did see your Thank You but it is a Thank you for your REQUEST to explain where you should LOOK in the clues I provided you already. In everything I posted I made references to small details.
And I am NOT offended at all, my response to what you wrote and NOT thanking me was to the fact that I went out of my way to help you in your search and I didn't have to.
Also no thank you to answering your questions in your long post about asking ourselves WHY we should believe in TS. I gave you my reasoning on me only and what I believe.
I can't give you anymore help than I already have. I am on a "Clue" mission and playing this wonderful game of "Clue" in cyber space. A real life "Who dun it" and "Where" THANKS to Michael, lol
Peace
Oh ok, thanx for NOTHING ;)
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@ restlesssoul
My question is why are you trying so hard to disprove TS?
No one is forcing you to believe in them and you have accused Souza & Mo and myself of all being TS.
I would like to know why you have chosen these individuals to single out in your campaign to prove TS a fraud. Make up your mind or do you randomly pick a new "your TS" each day you log on?
You make no other contributions to this forum at all. Your posts are only about this topic. We can all look to see where you have posted. Why aren't you adding anything else but this negativity?
I think you are simply a distraction. Perhaps you have an agenda all your own. If you can make accusations about others without any proof than I come to a conclusion about what the motive is behind this obsession you seem to have developed.
I am done responding or even reading anymore of this circular logic and rambling. Take care and open your mind to the truth cause it's waiting for you to discover it.
L.O.V.E and Light
oh and Im_convincedmjalive wanted you to look here
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts<<<
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts<<<
Ahhh how nice to see you here my russian friend :) did u change your mind about me being that danish girl? I didn't know that this site is paying people for their contributions :lol: My post is negative to you because you like TS posts, but to the people who think like me, your posts are negative. So who decides which one is the real negativity? ;) I wish people who sent me DMs write their ideas about TS here too BUT this is what you're doing to people who disagree with you. All of you jump on that person just because she disagrees with you! Everyone else is scared to make a post about TS! IS this how you want this place to be. An unfair, sided place? So everyone who doesn't like or doesn't agree with TS should have been blocked from this forum.
I'm just using my right to speak about TS. If it bothers you, you don't need to read it. Why does it so bother you btw me writing these things about TS? Are you scared that I can be right about him/her? What's this panic about? All of you jump on me just for saying what I think about TS? Ahh and I didn't accuse Souza and Mo but I "accused" you only! I wrote what people think about Souza and Mo. Don't mislead my words.
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
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Your words aren't coming across as loud as that attitude you seem to be harbouring.
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
My help wouldn't save you, sorry. And yes I told you that you weren't going to do it a TT. Because there're very few people who believe TS. I know that TS reads the forum and this post. And it's my desicion to ask TS or not, so don't tell me what to do pls. I'm doing what I want to do already. Thank you.
But you're acting as if everyone else should contact or ask TS or something! I don't think it's an issue of the amount of peeps that believe in him, either, I think it's just really hard to break into that TT thing because of all the darn attention that World Cup is getting from like millions of peeps..
I'm sorry but what are you talking about? To who did I ask to contact TS or ask TS something? This's my post that I made to cirticize TS. IF you have something to say about TS you say it, if you don't have anything to say then you move on. I think I have a right here to tell my opinion about TS, right? So why does it bother you what I'm writing since they're my opinion!
And I don't believe it's about the World Cup though. It's about how many people and how many different accounts make that tweet at the same time. So darnnn lol
So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS.
That looks like asking us to do something, doesn't it?
And even totally putting all TS/ believing or not believing issues aside, it's very frustrating to see someone take on this attitude of totally not caring whether we succeeded or not in the effort we did try to make and not giving any aid while we all Tweeted hard..
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RestlessSoul,
I know this is difficult for you to see the blatantly obvious so YOU get a PASS on the IQ test here and maybe get your eye sight checked.
On the real Serenity gave you the answer to my clues and your smartass comment to me at then end, OK.
But on the REALLY REAL, here is a shocker for you...
(And I know I said I was done helping you) but,
You say why should we trust TS and well is he related to Michael,
Are you here for Michael cause he is "the one" who has been telling us his secrets this whole time in clues.
And he is "the one" who has hinted to us about where the "inside info" came from when he ref. Numerology and directed to Elvis' friend's website. Her page on his book specifically stated that Elvis would be the "ONLY" one to have the answers about the numerology clues and he would be the "ONLY" one to use that as his explanation (evidence) on his TRUE identity.
Also the bible scripture given on identity.
That ONE below is what YOU should really PAY attention to and reconize the small details ON.
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
Peace
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Don't you think all this energy could be put to better use instead of back and forth and going no where?
Like you're going somewhere with that ElvisandMJdotcom thing? :) I've already told we're running in circles and told how we can move on and spread the message but who cares, right? ;)
Well every person that DIDN'T Tweet, as I'm assuming you didn't, would have sure helped and maybe we could have done it, eh? Instead of all these "I told you so's" (I can't stand when people say that) why don't you try asking TS or whatever it is you want to do, or help us with the darn Twitter campaign?
My help wouldn't save you, sorry. And yes I told you that you weren't going to do it a TT. Because there're very few people who believe TS. I know that TS reads the forum and this post. And it's my desicion to ask TS or not, so don't tell me what to do pls. I'm doing what I want to do already. Thank you.
But you're acting as if everyone else should contact or ask TS or something! I don't think it's an issue of the amount of peeps that believe in him, either, I think it's just really hard to break into that TT thing because of all the darn attention that World Cup is getting from like millions of peeps..
I'm sorry but what are you talking about? To who did I ask to contact TS or ask TS something? This's my post that I made to cirticize TS. IF you have something to say about TS you say it, if you don't have anything to say then you move on. I think I have a right here to tell my opinion about TS, right? So why does it bother you what I'm writing since they're my opinion!
And I don't believe it's about the World Cup though. It's about how many people and how many different accounts make that tweet at the same time. So darnnn lol
[quote="RestlessSoul]So are you doing it? And think about everyone start believing in TS and think about HOW FAST and EASY we could spread the truth! The Jacksons do not need to write This Is Also It if they think that it would be so obvious. We can pick up a special code and tell it to TS and the Jacksons can tweet that word we chose and we became sure. What's wrong with this? If TS is really related with them, he/she could have done this long time ago.
You tried to make ElvisandMJdotcom a TT on twitter. Could you make it? Nope you couldn't! But I told you so, right? Did you think why you couldn't make it? Because there're a FEW people who believe TS! Why wouldn't TS make this number rise if there's a message to be spread up. And I'm giving you how he/she could make it. We pick up a word and Jacksons make it a tweet. How hard can this be to do and how can it be dangerous about the hoax? No way. Stop finding lies to defend TS.
That looks like asking us to do something, doesn't it?
And even totally putting all TS/ believing or not believing issues aside, it's very frustrating to see someone take on this attitude of totally not caring whether we succeeded or not in the effort we did try to make and not giving any aid while we all Tweeted hard..[/quote][/quote]
There's a very simple way to not to get frustrated Pink, IGNORE! If you don't like my post, you don't need to read it. It's your decision to read and get frustrated. Did I force you to read my post? Ignore it girl. IGNORE it. And I'm sorry for being honest and telling my opinion about that making a TT thing. Ignore that too by the way. ;)
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Well I can't exactly know what I'm going to feel about a post unless I read it, right? And, the cause I believe in: spreading MJ's message as far as it can go, is too important a subject for me to ignore.. we- no, he could use all the Tweeters we can get. That's what I believe.
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RestlessSoul,
I know this is difficult for you to see the blatantly obvious so YOU get a PASS on the IQ test here and maybe get your eye sight checked.
On the real Serenity gave you the answer to my clues and your smartass comment to me at then end, OK.
But on the REALLY REAL, here is a shocker for you...
(And I know I said I was done helping you) but,
You say why should we trust TS and well is he related to Michael,
Are you here for Michael cause he is "the one" who has been telling us his secrets this whole time in clues.
And he is "the one" who has hinted to us about where the "inside info" came from when he ref. Numerology and directed to Elvis' friend's website. Her page on his book specifically stated that Elvis would be the "ONLY" one to have the answers about the numerology clues and he would be the "ONLY" one to use that as his explanation (evidence) on his TRUE identity.
Also the bible scripture given on identity.
That ONE below is what YOU should really PAY attention to and reconize the small details ON.
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
Peace
Seriously, I was just trying to understand what you were talking about. And after I understood what it was about, I would thank you. I'm NOT a rude person. I just asked you what I need to look on that FB page and you snubbed me. Look, if you want to help someone you do it without expecting anything in return. That's help. You were expecting a thank you but I didn't even understand what I need to thank for and I was trying to understand it,ok. English is not my first language and when you write things like riddles, it makes me understand nothing. I read that Bible thing but I'm not a Christian and when we add all the words that I don't understand, it makes impossible for me to understand what it is about.
And thank you so much for your humiliation about my IQ and my eyes. Can I be "stupid" because when I click on the links serenit gave, all I can see is: The page you requested was not found!?! That's very nice of you. And that's what I expected to hear from someone who came here with a help offer. Thank you!
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Well I can't exactly know what I'm going to feel about a post unless I read it, right? And, the cause I believe in: spreading MJ's message as far as it can go, is too important a subject for me to ignore.. we- no, he could use all the Tweeters we can get. That's what I believe.
I do respect what you believe Pink. I'm just trying to be SURE if this's Michael's message or not. So pls respect me too about it.
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Well I can't exactly know what I'm going to feel about a post unless I read it, right? And, the cause I believe in: spreading MJ's message as far as it can go, is too important a subject for me to ignore.. we- no, he could use all the Tweeters we can get. That's what I believe.
I do respect what you believe Pink. I'm just trying to be SURE if this's Michael's message or not. So pls respect me too about it.
Thanks, and I do understand what you're trying to do. I just kinda took issue with your attitude in that post, but okay. I do pray that you see it's the truth very very soon.
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Well I can't exactly know what I'm going to feel about a post unless I read it, right? And, the cause I believe in: spreading MJ's message as far as it can go, is too important a subject for me to ignore.. we- no, he could use all the Tweeters we can get. That's what I believe.
I do respect what you believe Pink. I'm just trying to be SURE if this's Michael's message or not. So pls respect me too about it.
Thanks, and I do understand what you're trying to do. I just kinda took issue with your attitude in that post, but okay. I do pray that you see it's the truth very very soon.
I just hope we ALL find the truth whatever it is as soon as possible! ;)
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Ok everybody, let me clear one thing ONCE MORE! I know that you all get frustrated because I don't agree with you guys. BUT you all behave like I'm a TS hater. On the contrary, I'm JUST trying to be sure if this's Michael's message or not and how we can spread it easily. Why is it so hard for you to understand what I'm trying to do here? I'm NOT arguing with noone and that's NOT my intention. But how could I respond all of you when you jump on me at the same time just because I wrote what I think about TS?!? And I have to add that I never said TS IS a FAKE! I always said TS COULD be a fake because of these reasons and I counted them all. I wrote I like most of TS' posts so why are you all so mad at me? Please allow people to tell their opinions about everything on the forum. I'm a direct and honest person who likes to tell everything directly. So I could have broken your hearts about making a TT issue but that's what I really thought and I wasn't wrong about it.
As I wrote in one of my posts, I'M HOPING TO BE WRONG ABOUT TS WITH ALL MY HEART! Do you think that I'm happy of this situation? I just want to be sure that TS is related with Michael and he's fine. that's ALL!!! And we can spread the message easily if TS does the thing what I wrote. I explained everything many many times before but it seems like people don't read all of my posts, read only one or two and prefer to jump on me to argue. First read what I wrote and try to understand what I'm doing here.
I'm asking all of you, if Michael's message is about NWO and illuminati why didn't we see any clues related with them in TII? I gave an example and wrote that Michael could wear a shirt with the number 9 on or could do something else but we had nothing about it. Pls share your opinions about this. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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RestlessSoul,
I know this is difficult for you to see the blatantly obvious so YOU get a PASS on the IQ test here and maybe get your eye sight checked.
On the real Serenity gave you the answer to my clues and your smartass comment to me at then end, OK.
But on the REALLY REAL, here is a shocker for you...
(And I know I said I was done helping you) but,
You say why should we trust TS and well is he related to Michael,
Are you here for Michael cause he is "the one" who has been telling us his secrets this whole time in clues.
And he is "the one" who has hinted to us about where the "inside info" came from when he ref. Numerology and directed to Elvis' friend's website. Her page on his book specifically stated that Elvis would be the "ONLY" one to have the answers about the numerology clues and he would be the "ONLY" one to use that as his explanation (evidence) on his TRUE identity.
Also the bible scripture given on identity.
That ONE below is what YOU should really PAY attention to and reconize the small details ON.
6-12 Daniel 10:21 and Michael
{http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV}
There were some good comments for the day, on this redirect {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=10837}. One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity, etc (see 6-10, above).
Peace
Seriously, I was just trying to understand what you were talking about. And after I understood what it was about, I would thank you. I'm NOT a rude person. I just asked you what I need to look on that FB page and you snubbed me. Look, if you want to help someone you do it without expecting anything in return. That's help. You were expecting a thank you but I didn't even understand what I need to thank for and I was trying to understand it,ok. English is not my first language and when you write things like riddles, it makes me understand nothing. I read that Bible thing but I'm not a Christian and when we add all the words that I don't understand, it makes impossible for me to understand what it is about.
And thank you so much for your humiliation about my IQ and my eyes. That's very nice of you. And that's what I expected to hear from someone who came here with a help offer. Thank you!
Ok,
This is getting NO where fast. I didn't help you with ANY expectation of anything in return at all. What could you do for me REALLY? A simple Thank You is good manners nothing more. As far as your english skills it seems you have no problem with writing in english to insult others.
Again look at Elvis' friends website especially NOW it has been up dated with more info on his clues to numerology and identity and his way of showing fans who he is.
TRUE identity.
If Michael learned his "death" plan from Elvis and the parallels are there. Look to Elvis' friends website and read page 33. New clues for us.
You don't have to be a christian to see the reason for the bible scripture with the name Michael in it and it clearly states that Daniel has said Michael your prince is "the one" who holds the truth.
I also wanted to add to this and help you out to understand the scripture,
I change the intial scripture to Amplified so I can understand it easier. Just a suggestion.
Daniel 10:21 (Amplified Bible)
21But I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth or the Book of Truth. There is no one who holds with me and strengthens himself against these [hostile spirit forces] except Michael, your prince [national guardian angel].
Peace
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Ok,
This is getting NO where fast. I didn't help you with ANY expectation of anything in return at all. What could you do for me REALLY? A simple Thank You is good manners nothing more. As far as your english skills it seems you have no problem with writing in english to insult others.
Again look at Elvis' friends website especially NOW it has been up dated with more info on his clues to numerology and identity and his way of showing fans who he is.
TRUE identity.
If Michael learned his "death" plan from Elvis and the parallels are there. Look to Elvis' friends website and read page 33. New clues for us.
You don't have to be a christian to see the reason for the bible scripture with the name Michael in it and it clearly states that Daniel has said Michael your prince is "the one" who holds the truth.
I also wanted to add to this and help you out to understand the scripture,
I change the intial scripture to Amplified so I can understand it easier. Just a suggestion.
Daniel 10:21 (Amplified Bible)
21But I will tell you what is inscribed in the writing of truth or the Book of Truth. There is no one who holds with me and strengthens himself against these [hostile spirit forces] except Michael, your prince [national guardian angel].
Peace
And I'm telling you that before people try to understand what you mean, don't expect a thank you and don't snub them so easily. And I never humiliated people here like the way you do about their IQs or eyes and I wan to remind you; Apologizing is another good manner too.
So you say that TS mentioned that he's Michael himself with that Bible thing? And you believed in him. But I want to remind you one thing too. TS wrote this about his/her identity: "And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood." If he was MJ himself, why would he need to write that he wasn't?
Thanx for the Elvis web page thing. I'll be reading it right now as soon as I find the link. Thank you.
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I said I wasn't going to write to you anymore but I couldn't resist. You can not hold court without a response.
Ahhh how nice to see you here my russian friend
I am Canadian. My forum profile states this, my youtube states this and my ip address which hasn't changed since I started posting can be traced right to my address in Canada.
I didn't know that this site is paying people for their contributions
Who is getting paid? No one said anything about being paid.
An unfair, sided place? So everyone who doesn't like or doesn't agree with TS should have been blocked from this forum.
Who said anyone should be blocked. No one. Except you, the only one who said that and only you.
Why does it so bother you btw me writing these things about TS? Are you scared that I can be right about him/her? What's this panic about?
It bothers me that you write these things without any evidence to contradict what TS has posted. You just demand more and base your view on what you haven't received. Then you try and influence what others think with unsubstantiated comments and criticism. You make false accusations with out any evidence and you are quite rude to be honest.
Ahh and I didn't accuse Souza and Mo but I "accused" you only!
And what is the evidence that you present to support your accusation?
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
You weren't supposed to click the link I will make it bigger for you so you can see it better.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
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2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
TS said:
One of the main reasons for this redirect, however, was again because of the questions and discussion that came up about my identity
Daniel 10:21 (King James Version)
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=daniel%2010:21&version=KJV
So let me translate this for you.
Daniel has a vision that no one else can see but him. It is of a "beautiful human-like being". This being seems to be an angel (or Jesus himself, the scripture doesn't say who) and he has a conversation with Daniel. At the end of the conversation which is verse 10:21, the angel is saying that what he has told Daniel is the truth and the messages come from none other than Michael your prince.
In my opinion, TS is saying that he is none other than our Prince Michael. I could be wrong but that is how I read it.
Now combine that with the story about the customer, not recognizing the band in the restaurant and asking them to stop singing. The moral of that story is that Michael could be right here on the forums writing the TS updates and we wouldn't even recognize him.
If TS told us how he knows what he does, we wouldn't believe him anyway. Why wouldn't we believe him?
Because maybe he is Michael and anyone who said he was Michael wouldn't be believed. Plus if he told us straight up who he was maybe would would stop listening to his messages and get all excited about his identity.
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I said I wasn't going to write to you anymore but I couldn't resist. You can not hold court without a response.
I am Canadian. My forum profile states this, my youtube states this and my ip address which hasn't changed since I started posting can be traced right to my address in Canada.
See, I told you that I don't know you. Well, there must be more than one serenitydreams who support TS because the serenity I saw on Twitter was also writing in Russian. Sorry then my mistake.
Who is getting paid? No one said anything about being paid.
You know what sarcasm means, don't you? ;)
Who said anyone should be blocked. No one. Except you, the only one who said that and only you.
That's what happens. All of you jump on that person and ther becomes a fight and BAM, that person gets blocked. Is it so hard to predict about it?
It bothers me that you write these things without any evidence to contradict what TS has posted. You just demand more and base your view on what you haven't received. Then you try and influence what others think with unsubstantiated comments and criticism. You make false accusations with out any evidence and you are quite rude to be honest.
Well, Souza and you keep on asking me to debunk TS since I MANY MANY times wrote that it wasn't my intention! You don't read what I write and then make of things in your minds and accuse me for whatever things. I wrote that TS COULD be a fake and I wrote my reasons in my first post. And I don't care if they don't look like evidences to you because they're to me!
Ok here a couple more: TS wrote:
Notice here that I connected the “Resurrection” with 9-9-09, which was already 9 days past at that time; so I was not using resurrection in the sense of returning to public view—I used the word “Return” for that.
He/she used RETURN word about Michael to return to public view! NOT BAM! And when he didn't come back on the day he expected he suddenly turned and used the word BAM!
TS wrote: Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version.
Can you tell me what more did we have in home version of TII?
And you said that TS could be MJ himself. So why did he write these, can you pls explain.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer.
However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.
And what is the evidence that you present to support your accusation?
Well, I explained this one before too. I don't want to write it once more.
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
You weren't supposed to click the link I will make it bigger for you so you can see it better.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
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2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Ahhhhhhhhh there's a TS at the end of the link :lol: I'm laughing at myself lol Sorry guys I really couldn't get what you were trying to show me. Ok, but that could be a coincidence or just a shortened of Tv Series. Sorry but I believe in coincidences. But thank you once more for explaining it to me. I can be blind sometimes. DUH!
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@ Serenity,
I love ya!!! I was over here ROFLOL when I saw how big you made the letters...
I agree with the moral of the story on Lynard Skynard, that is how my name became Im_convincedmjalive... lol
Also I like how you interpreted the bible scripture, you are to kind in giving The whole answer, I was trying to get RestlessSoul to think, but obviously it didn't work.
The scripture is saying what it says also for a reason on hostile spirits, and truth in The book is from the one and only Book (bible).
Main point there is and what I wanted RestlessSoul to realize is Prince Michael is "the One" to hold the TRUTH in what the Book says.
Qouting your sig. just for YOU. ;)
I really believe that God chooses people to do certain things. I haven't scratched the surface yet of what my real purpose is for being here. I believe that all art has as its ultimate goal that union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine.
~ Michael Jackson
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@ Serenity,
I love ya!!! I was over here ROFLOL when I saw how big you made the letters...
I agree with the moral of the story on Lynard Skynard, that is how my name became I_mconvincedmjalive... lol
Also I like how you interpreted the bible scripture, you are to kind in giving The whole answer, I was trying to get RestlessSoul to think, but obviously it didn't work.
The scripture is saying what it says also for a reason on hostile spirits, and truth in The book is from the one and only Book (bible).
Main point there is and what I wanted RestlessSoul to realize is Prince Michael is "the One" to hold the TRUTH in what the Book says.
Qouting your sig. just for YOU. ;)
I really believe that God chooses people to do certain things. I haven't scratched the surface yet of what my real purpose is for being here. I believe that all art has as its ultimate goal that union between the material and the spiritual, the human and the divine.
~ Michael Jackson
Ok we can laugh at that one together :lol: Seriously I didn't look at the link you gave me, I just clicked on it and I didn't get what to do with it :lol:
I understood what bible scripture meant and that's the reason why I wrote you, you believe that TS is MJ himself thing. Ok I can be dumb sometimes but not that much, ok :lol:
In somewhere I wrote that TS is MJ himself OR another MJ poser. That's the reason why I wrote that he COULD be a fake. Actually we're saying the same thing. I'm saying that he could be MJ or a poser and you say that TS could be MJ.
Ahh and thank you both Serenity and Im_convincedmjalive for showing me the bible scripture and Elvis' friend's web-page thing. Those numerology IS interesting on page 33. I'll be reading it once more. :)
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I said I wasn't going to write to you anymore but I couldn't resist. You can not hold court without a response.
I am Canadian. My forum profile states this, my youtube states this and my ip address which hasn't changed since I started posting can be traced right to my address in Canada.
See, I told you that I don't know you. Well, there must be more than one serenitydreams who support TS because the serenity I saw on Twitter was also writing in Russian. Sorry then my mistake.
Who is getting paid? No one said anything about being paid.
You know what sarcasm means, don't you? ;)
Who said anyone should be blocked. No one. Except you, the only one who said that and only you.
That's what happens. All of you jump on that person and ther becomes a fight and BAM, that person gets blocked. Is it so hard to predict about it?
It bothers me that you write these things without any evidence to contradict what TS has posted. You just demand more and base your view on what you haven't received. Then you try and influence what others think with unsubstantiated comments and criticism. You make false accusations with out any evidence and you are quite rude to be honest.
Well, Souza and you keep on asking me to debunk TS since I MANY MANY times wrote that it wasn't my intention! You don't read what I write and then make of things in your minds and accuse me for whatever things. I wrote that TS COULD be a fake and I wrote my reasons in my first post. And I don't care if they don't look like evidences to you because they're to me!
Ok here a couple more: TS wrote:
Notice here that I connected the “Resurrection” with 9-9-09, which was already 9 days past at that time; so I was not using resurrection in the sense of returning to public view—I used the word “Return” for that.
He/she used RETURN word about Michael to return to public view! NOT BAM! And when he didn't come back on the day he expected he suddenly turned and used the word BAM!
TS wrote: Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version.
Can you tell me what more did we have in home version of TII?
And you said that TS could be MJ himself. So why did he write these, can you pls explain.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer.
However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.
And what is the evidence that you present to support your accusation?
Well, I explained this one before too. I don't want to write it once more.
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
You weren't supposed to click the link I will make it bigger for you so you can see it better.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
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2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Ahhhhhhhhh there's a TS at the end of the link :lol: I'm laughing at myself lol Sorry guys I really couldn't get what you were trying to show me. Ok, but that could be a coincidence or just a shortened of Tv Series. Sorry but I believe in coincidences. But thank you once more for explaining it to me. I can be blind sometimes. DUH!
Only 2 users come up with the name serenity dreams and neither is in Russia and neither is my twitter, which by the way I hardly use. And why would you think my twitter name is serenitydreams when my forum name is serenitys_dream? That seems very odd :shock:
https://twitter.com/search/users?q=sere ... urce=users (https://twitter.com/search/users?q=serenity+dreams&category=people&source=users)
I haven't watched the DVD so I have no idea if there are any other clues in it.
Forum decisions have nothing to do with me. I am not the owner and I am not an admin. I am only a member just like you.
I do not speak for TS. I do not know for sure whom it is but as I have already said I suspect it may be Michael himself.
You accused me of being TS because I write long posts. That isn't evidence. I just write long posts because I research the topics I post about.
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I said I wasn't going to write to you anymore but I couldn't resist. You can not hold court without a response.
I am Canadian. My forum profile states this, my youtube states this and my ip address which hasn't changed since I started posting can be traced right to my address in Canada.
See, I told you that I don't know you. Well, there must be more than one serenitydreams who support TS because the serenity I saw on Twitter was also writing in Russian. Sorry then my mistake.
Who is getting paid? No one said anything about being paid.
You know what sarcasm means, don't you? ;)
Who said anyone should be blocked. No one. Except you, the only one who said that and only you.
That's what happens. All of you jump on that person and ther becomes a fight and BAM, that person gets blocked. Is it so hard to predict about it?
It bothers me that you write these things without any evidence to contradict what TS has posted. You just demand more and base your view on what you haven't received. Then you try and influence what others think with unsubstantiated comments and criticism. You make false accusations with out any evidence and you are quite rude to be honest.
Well, Souza and you keep on asking me to debunk TS since I MANY MANY times wrote that it wasn't my intention! You don't read what I write and then make of things in your minds and accuse me for whatever things. I wrote that TS COULD be a fake and I wrote my reasons in my first post. And I don't care if they don't look like evidences to you because they're to me!
Ok here a couple more: TS wrote:
Notice here that I connected the “Resurrection” with 9-9-09, which was already 9 days past at that time; so I was not using resurrection in the sense of returning to public view—I used the word “Return” for that.
He/she used RETURN word about Michael to return to public view! NOT BAM! And when he didn't come back on the day he expected he suddenly turned and used the word BAM!
TS wrote: Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version.
Can you tell me what more did we have in home version of TII?
And you said that TS could be MJ himself. So why did he write these, can you pls explain.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer.
However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.
And what is the evidence that you present to support your accusation?
Well, I explained this one before too. I don't want to write it once more.
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
You weren't supposed to click the link I will make it bigger for you so you can see it better.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
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2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Ahhhhhhhhh there's a TS at the end of the link :lol: I'm laughing at myself lol Sorry guys I really couldn't get what you were trying to show me. Ok, but that could be a coincidence or just a shortened of Tv Series. Sorry but I believe in coincidences. But thank you once more for explaining it to me. I can be blind sometimes. DUH!
Only 2 users come up with the name serenity dreams and neither is in Russia and neither is my twitter, which by the way I hardly use. And why would you think my twitter name is serenitydreams when my forum name is serenitys_dream? That seems very odd :shock:
https://twitter.com/search/users?q=sere ... urce=users (https://twitter.com/search/users?q=serenity+dreams&category=people&source=users)
I haven't watched the DVD so I have no idea if there are any other clues in it.
Forum decisions have nothing to do with me. I am not the owner and I am not an admin. I am only a member just like you.
I do not speak for TS. I do not know for sure whom it is but as I have already said I suspect it may be Michael himself.
You accused me of being TS because I write long posts. That isn't evidence. I just write long posts because I research the topics I post about.
Let me find that user on Twitter. Be right back ;)
Ok here's the Serenity I found on Twitter and her bio is in Russian.
http://twitter.com/SerenitysxDream
I didn't say that you speak for TS. You just think that he could be MJ and I do think that he could be MJ or an MJ poser.
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http://twitter.com/SerenitysxDream
That is me and my bio is in GREEK because I like how the Greek letters look. My tweets are all in English.
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I said I wasn't going to write to you anymore but I couldn't resist. You can not hold court without a response.
I am Canadian. My forum profile states this, my youtube states this and my ip address which hasn't changed since I started posting can be traced right to my address in Canada.
See, I told you that I don't know you. Well, there must be more than one serenitydreams who support TS because the serenity I saw on Twitter was also writing in Russian. Sorry then my mistake.
Who is getting paid? No one said anything about being paid.
You know what sarcasm means, don't you? ;)
Who said anyone should be blocked. No one. Except you, the only one who said that and only you.
That's what happens. All of you jump on that person and ther becomes a fight and BAM, that person gets blocked. Is it so hard to predict about it?
It bothers me that you write these things without any evidence to contradict what TS has posted. You just demand more and base your view on what you haven't received. Then you try and influence what others think with unsubstantiated comments and criticism. You make false accusations with out any evidence and you are quite rude to be honest.
Well, Souza and you keep on asking me to debunk TS since I MANY MANY times wrote that it wasn't my intention! You don't read what I write and then make of things in your minds and accuse me for whatever things. I wrote that TS COULD be a fake and I wrote my reasons in my first post. And I don't care if they don't look like evidences to you because they're to me!
Ok here a couple more: TS wrote:
Notice here that I connected the “Resurrection” with 9-9-09, which was already 9 days past at that time; so I was not using resurrection in the sense of returning to public view—I used the word “Return” for that.
He/she used RETURN word about Michael to return to public view! NOT BAM! And when he didn't come back on the day he expected he suddenly turned and used the word BAM!
TS wrote: Furthermore, we still haven’t seen all of “This Is It”; the DVD & Blu-ray has more, specifically on Smooth Criminal (hoax death) & Thriller (resurrection)—and you can be sure that this home version will reveal the hoax to an even greater degree than the cinema version.
Can you tell me what more did we have in home version of TII?
And you said that TS could be MJ himself. So why did he write these, can you pls explain.
And although I am not MJ, I do have information about MJ and the hoax that has not yet been fully understood.
For those who want the answer to the billion-dollar question: when will MJ return? You will need to read all 9 parts, in order to get a clear answer.
However, I don’t know everything, and I won’t attempt to answer questions about MJ or the hoax that are not directly related to the subjects in these 9 parts.
And what is the evidence that you present to support your accusation?
Well, I explained this one before too. I don't want to write it once more.
P.S: About the pages you gave me the link of; all I can see is this: The page you requested was not found.
You weren't supposed to click the link I will make it bigger for you so you can see it better.
@titojackson5 read this http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:57 PM Mar 13th via web
Reply Retweet Love u guys! Erms.... http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag (http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pag) ... 388?ref=ts <<< :shock: "WHAT DOES THAT SAY?!" LOOK AT WHERE THE ARROWS POINT TO.
2:54 PM Mar 13th via web
Ahhhhhhhhh there's a TS at the end of the link :lol: I'm laughing at myself lol Sorry guys I really couldn't get what you were trying to show me. Ok, but that could be a coincidence or just a shortened of Tv Series. Sorry but I believe in coincidences. But thank you once more for explaining it to me. I can be blind sometimes. DUH!
Only 2 users come up with the name serenity dreams and neither is in Russia and neither is my twitter, which by the way I hardly use. And why would you think my twitter name is serenitydreams when my forum name is serenitys_dream? That seems very odd :shock:
https://twitter.com/search/users?q=sere ... urce=users (https://twitter.com/search/users?q=serenity+dreams&category=people&source=users)
I haven't watched the DVD so I have no idea if there are any other clues in it.
Forum decisions have nothing to do with me. I am not the owner and I am not an admin. I am only a member just like you.
I do not speak for TS. I do not know for sure whom it is but as I have already said I suspect it may be Michael himself.
You accused me of being TS because I write long posts. That isn't evidence. I just write long posts because I research the topics I post about.
Let me find that user on Twitter. Be right back ;)
Ok here's the Serenity I found on Twitter and her bio is in Russian.
http://twitter.com/SerenitysxDream
that is me and my bio is in GREEK because I like how the Greek letters look. My tweets are all in English.
ohh that's greek :lol: so I should have written "hi my greek friend, how are you?" in my post :lol: ok so that's you still lol Ok sorry for the confusion. :) It's Greek dumb, not Russian DUH once more. I should leave now before I get more ashamed :lol:
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Maybe we should stop giving RestlessSoul that much attention, he likes it so much.
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Maybe we should stop giving RestlessSoul that much attention, he likes it so much.
Ohh yeah right! Distract people Souza! Tell them to ignore me! Did I tell these people to make a post here? And am I the attention seeker here? When people make posts about sending LOVE to TS, people can make as much as posts as they can but they're not looking for attention. BUT when I make a post and criticize TS, I look for attention. You know what, this has NOTHING to do with Michael's real message!!! This is nothing to do with LOVE! And it is so obvious that you're NOT spreading his message at all!!!
And btw, some of you guys thought that Jacksons FB page for the Family Dynasty's link is a clue about TS. Here's just another page on FB and take a look at the link!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Fountain/8305524854?ref=ts
Be careful what you believe in people!And as I've said before, think about the other side of the glass! You all could be deceiving!!!!!!!!
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Maybe we should stop giving RestlessSoul that much attention, he likes it so much.
Ohh yeah right! Distract people Souza! Tell them to ignore me! Did I tell these people to make a post here? And am I the attention seeker here? When people make posts about sending LOVE to TS, people can make as much as posts as they can but they're not looking for attention. BUT when I make a post and criticize TS, I look for attention. You know what, this has NOTHING to do with Michael's real message!!! This is nothing to do with LOVE! And it is so obvious that you're NOT spreading his message at all!!!
And btw, some of you guys thought that Jacksons FB page for the Family Dynasty's link is a clue about TS. Here's just another page on FB and take a look at the link!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Fountain/8305524854?ref=ts
Be careful what you believe in people!And as I've said before, think about the other side of the glass! You all could be deceiving!!!!!!!!
RestlessSoul, you are repeating yourself and only speculating. I have asked you multiple times to debunk TS. Clearly you can't, so I don't get your anger. Questioning is ok, but trying to convince people TS is fake without having a valid argument is not going anywhere.
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RestlessSoul, you are repeating yourself and only speculating. I have asked you multiple times to debunk TS. Clearly you can't, so I don't get your anger. Questioning is ok, but trying to convince people TS is fake without having a valid argument is not going anywhere.
The point is, everyone who reads my post can easily understand that my intention is NOT to debunk TS! And I've written this to you a LOT of times. So why do you keep on asking me to debunk TS! I'm NOT trying to convince noone that TS is a fake BUT I'm trying to be CONVINCED that he's legit! I've just written new things that I found about TS which I couldn't find an explanation by myself and wrote them all on the previous page, so I'm NOT repeating myself Souza! People write to this post and I answer their questions and write what I think about their posts. Don't I have a right to do this? So what is this repeating yourself or try to make people believe that TS is a fake thing you're talking about? As far as I see, you're the one who keeps on repeating herself here by asking me to debunk TS! I NEVER used the word TS IS a fake, that's YOU who keeps on writing it on my post. So why is this discrimination btw people who make posts on TS' side and mine? And why you keep on accusing me with the things I NEVER said or wrote? I always wrote that TS COULD be MJ related or TS COULD be a fake. Does it mean the same with TS IS a fake? Pls get everything straight and then blame me with things.
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RestlessSoul, you are repeating yourself and only speculating. I have asked you multiple times to debunk TS. Clearly you can't, so I don't get your anger. Questioning is ok, but trying to convince people TS is fake without having a valid argument is not going anywhere.
The point is, everyone who reads my post can easily understand that my intention is NOT to debunk TS! And I've written this to you a LOT of times. So why do you keep on asking me to debunk TS! I'm NOT trying to convince noone that TS is a fake BUT I'm trying to be CONVINCED that he's legit! I've just written new things that I found about TS which I couldn't find an explanation by myself and wrote them all on the previous page, so I'm NOT repeating myself Souza! People write to this post and I answer their questions and write what I think about their posts. Don't I have a right to do this? So what is this repeating yourself or try to make people believe that TS is a fake thing you're talking about? As far as I see, you're the one who keeps on repeating herself here by asking me to debunk TS! I NEVER used the word TS IS a fake, that's YOU who keeps on writing it on my post. So why is this discrimination btw people who make posts on TS' side and mine? And why you keep on accusing me with the things I NEVER said or wrote? I always wrote that TS COULD be MJ related or TS COULD be a fake. Does it mean the same with TS IS a fake? Pls get everything straight and then blame me with things.
Well if it can be both, why are you so stressed out about it? Make up your mind one way or the other. And why are you asking US to show proof that TS is legit? Why don't you ask TS? I have stated multiple times that your answer is in his posts. If you don't see that, then I have nothing more to give you.
That's the last thing I will post here, it gives me a headache.
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Maybe we should stop giving RestlessSoul that much attention, he likes it so much.
Ohh yeah right! Distract people Souza! Tell them to ignore me! Did I tell these people to make a post here? And am I the attention seeker here? When people make posts about sending LOVE to TS, people can make as much as posts as they can but they're not looking for attention. BUT when I make a post and criticize TS, I look for attention. You know what, this has NOTHING to do with Michael's real message!!! This is nothing to do with LOVE! And it is so obvious that you're NOT spreading his message at all!!!
And btw, some of you guys thought that Jacksons FB page for the Family Dynasty's link is a clue about TS. Here's just another page on FB and take a look at the link!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Fountain/8305524854?ref=ts
Be careful what you believe in people!And as I've said before, think about the other side of the glass! You all could be deceiving!!!!!!!!
This is our convo in PM, I don't hide MY TRUTH.
BTW I am the creator of the 2nd thread and it was for everyone not just TS... even you I gave a hug to.
Peace
check out this link. it ends with ts too. that was just a coincidence.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Fountain/8305524854?ref=ts[/quote
That is good investigating on your part, that was my point.
Bring evidence to back up claims. You brought evidence to back up the fact that what I showed you was a coincedence.
Everything I write has a purpose.
Even the "little" white lies...lol
But ALOT of my posts and the bible reference IS TRUTH.
If I make claims, you should bring evidence to show the opposite if it isn't true. Same thing when you keep asking for proof of who TS is connected to. If you are unsure TS is connected bring proof of why you think TS is not.
Investigating is what this whole thing is about. The contradictions in TS posts are there for a reason too, distraction for you to figure out the TRUTH by investigating.
Peace
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RestlessSoul, you are repeating yourself and only speculating. I have asked you multiple times to debunk TS. Clearly you can't, so I don't get your anger. Questioning is ok, but trying to convince people TS is fake without having a valid argument is not going anywhere.
The point is, everyone who reads my post can easily understand that my intention is NOT to debunk TS! And I've written this to you a LOT of times. So why do you keep on asking me to debunk TS! I'm NOT trying to convince noone that TS is a fake BUT I'm trying to be CONVINCED that he's legit! I've just written new things that I found about TS which I couldn't find an explanation by myself and wrote them all on the previous page, so I'm NOT repeating myself Souza! People write to this post and I answer their questions and write what I think about their posts. Don't I have a right to do this? So what is this repeating yourself or try to make people believe that TS is a fake thing you're talking about? As far as I see, you're the one who keeps on repeating herself here by asking me to debunk TS! I NEVER used the word TS IS a fake, that's YOU who keeps on writing it on my post. So why is this discrimination btw people who make posts on TS' side and mine? And why you keep on accusing me with the things I NEVER said or wrote? I always wrote that TS COULD be MJ related or TS COULD be a fake. Does it mean the same with TS IS a fake? Pls get everything straight and then blame me with things.
Well if it can be both, why are you so stressed out about it? Make up your mind one way or the other. And why are you asking US to show proof that TS is legit? Why don't you ask TS? I have stated multiple times that your answer is in his posts. If you don't see that, then I have nothing more to give you.
That's the last thing I will post here, it gives me a headache.
Well, why do you want me to do something that I already know the answer of? We all know that TS doesn't make posts on the forum or answer his/her PMs! Don't we all know this? And why do I need to ask everything to TS? Why can't I criticize TS with other members? Why does it bother you so much and give you a headache? Why am I stressed out? Can it be because many TS followers JUMP on me at the same time and tell me that my IQ is low and blame me with other things? Can it be because the admin of the forum keep on telling me to debunk TS since I wrote many many times that wasn't my intention? Can it be because nobody can give an answer to the things I asked as a question about TS? Can it be because I was blaimed to be attention seeker by the admin of the forum? I'm sure that I can find more. You say that about that video, everything is a lie. But as far as I see on the forum, there's a BIG discrimination on this forum. Why don't you think that people who make love posts to TS are attention seekers but me? Is this the way of showing and spreading LOVE? yes, I'm offended and I'm sad, that's so true. It's because I feel that I don't have a freedom of speech here because everytime I open my mouth people try to shut it up! Did you see how many people jumped on me on the previous page? And I became an attention seeker just because I gave them answers? Sorry but your blaming was soooooooo UNFAIR!
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Yeah, this is too tempting to not reply to. I ignored it yesterday but I just have to reply to this.
Ok, first of did you see me arguing with someone? Ahh trust me if that was what I wanted to do, I would do it when 3 or 4 people jumped on me at the same time ;)
Yes, you are arguing with every one of us that believes in TS. I mean no offense when I say this but maybe because you aren't an "English speaker", although you do a very good job of it, the way you come across to everyone here that tries to help you understand is very smuggish and has an attitude to it. It's like you do not want to understand even though we are doing our best to spell it out for you. So in turn, you reply with your rude comments or smug questions. This is the way it comes across and if you don't see that, please re-read your replies to me and others on this thread. If you still can't see it, then I don't know what to tell you. I am not here to start a fight with you or anyone else. I was trying to help you and all you did was come back at me with smug comments for it. I never "jumped" on you til your attitude was thrown at me.
Calm down Kacy, ok ok you're the BEST hoaxer, you won the game lol
This is a perfect example of what I was just talking about. I never stated anywhere in my reply to you that I was the "BEST hoaxer" and I never said I wanted to win anything. This was a sarcastic comment brought on without being provoked. You asked when I got involved in the hoax and I answered. You tried to belittle me with that question and act like I was a "newbie" to this and all I did was give you an answer, even though it did offend me that you speculated that I was new to this. Sorry, you cannot be the only one to get offended here because you are offending a lot of us as well.
So you're in the hoax thing for a long time but how come you do NOT have an idea about the Army of L.O.V.E thing?
If I remember correctly, you said this was started on Facebook, right? Can you give me proof that it was started before December 22, 2009? And if it was, no, I didn't have any idea about it because I do not follow everyone under the sun to know what everyone is saying. Sorry, I have better things to do with my time than follow a Facebook group.
Ohh this's a question and I shouldn't ask you one right? Ok sorry got it back.
Again, another example of what I said in my first part of this reply. I never stated you could not ask me a question. I'm just tired of arguing back and forth with you when you refuse to open your mind at all to any of the stuff we are saying to try and help you. But I never once stated you couldn't ask me a question. Don't put words in my mouth.
And I'm so sorry to disagree with you about TS lol yeah I'm the one who doesn't think in that little box.
I don't care if you agree with me about TS. I really don't. Again, I was only trying to help you understand. You're the one that started this topic and wanted answers and I was being NICE and trying to help you. Lesson learned for me. I will not try to help you again. And you want to talk about people questioning your IQ and eyes but yet you tell me, someone who has not said one thing like that to you, that I think inside a little box? You do not know me. And trust me, people that do know me know that I do not think inside a little box. Just because I do believe TS does not mean that I think inside a little box. That was an insult thrown at everyone here that believes in TS. Good job. :roll:
I'm making a division? How am I doing it, can you pls explain it to me? ohh wait you can't do that either. Did I tell someone to distrust TS? Did I force someone to make a post here? You're the one who came to this post and wrote your idea. Do you want this place to be a worship place for TS? Everyone in this universe has to agree with you about TS and the ones who don't, are bad people, they're making division? Ohh how mature really. Sorry but no more answering your smugness even if you write or not :lol:
P.S: Soon this post will be locked no worries about that and you could keep on living in your small boxes[/b] ;)
Yes, in your own way because you refuse to see anything anyone puts right in front of you, you are trying to force people to not believe in TS. And at the same time, you are making a division by spreading this whole "people that believe in TS and people that don't". The way you are coming across with it, it's as if you are separating us into two different groups instead of looking at the bigger picture and realizing that even though we may not all agree with everything, we are all still looking for the same thing, the TRUTH of what happened to Michael Jackson on June 25, 2009. If you personally do not believe in TS, then that is your right but you do not have to keep asking the same things over and over when people are trying to help you and you just flat out refuse to see what we give you. There is a thing called "selective hearing" and that is when you only hear things you want to hear and you have a form of that here but it's with seeing things. You do not want to see the proof that is right in front of your eyes so you are refusing to. Like I told you in another thread that you had made about this very same thing, if TS ends up being fake, then those of us that believed in him only have ourselves to blame for believing in him but if he's not fake, then that is AWESOME. I never once said that everyone had to agree with me and the ones that didn't were bad people. You really need to stop putting words in people's mouths and READ what they actually are saying, just like you keep preaching at us to do even though we ARE reading everything you are saying but it's hard to with all that attitude thrown in every post you make. And I never said this place needed to be a worship ground for TS. Did I say that? Read my post again and you will find the answer is NO. Just because I believe in TS does not mean I expect everyone else to and I respect people's decisions not to. I came here, trying to help you, which is what you were asking from us, and THIS is how you treat people that help you. I'm not the only one you have gotten this way with.
I do understand your purpose of wanting to know that TS is legit and having concrete evidence that no one can chalk up to being a coincidence but you are not seeing that no matter WHAT we come up with for the Jacksons to tweet about, it'll get out there that TS really is legit with that concrete evidence and then Michael's entire plan for this hoax was for naught. Please try and see that, that is all I ask.
Now, once and for all, I have said all I have to say and I'm done here. If you come back at me like you did in your reply here, it will be ignored for good. If you can talk to me like a human being and without insults, you might get an answer from me on whatever else you want to ask me. It's your choice. But just like you have the right to ask questions, I have the right to ignore them if they are rude or hateful.
With L.O.V.E.
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I will simply ignore your post. I didn't even read all of it but it is so obvious that you want to fight with me. I'm sorry but you're NOT going to get what you want. I will NOT reply any of your posts no more! PERIOD!
Ok, I have already written some of the things why I think TS could be a fake in my first post and in another post on the 3rd page. But I will make up a new list as soon as I finish reading all of TS' posts. People asked me why I think TS could be a fake and I will make a list of it. But I have to finish reading it all first. If you want to read it, read it. If you don't want to read it, just ignore it. If you want to comment, comment it, if you don't want to comment, then don't. I'm NOT looking for attention like Souza blamed! I don't even care if nobody reads this post of mine. I'm just writing what I think about it.
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People asked me why I think TS could be a fake and I will make a list of it. But I have to finish reading it all first.
WHOA! You haven't even read all that TS posted, yet you create threads criticizing TIAI..?! RestlessSoul, in my opinion that is totally uncalled for...I am speechless...
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TS =Tom Sneddon ? a numerology fetishist... :D :D
Anyway keep it lighter, lower the drama.
If people want to read it, read it. If you dont want to read it. Its fine.
If you are interested in symbols and numerology its interesting. Numerology is used often.
Why 911 and twin towers? Its the most obvious example.
Why all those "lucky" sevens? Go to the casino and play blackjack :mrgreen:
Why is 13 a unlucky number? On Friday, October 13, 1307, Jacques de Molay and sixty of his Templar brothers were arrested.
These things are facts. I think its interesting.
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Great!
If you can read you can also TWITTER! Lets make this work!
join the twitter BAM #mjalive #michaeljacksonhoaxforumdotcom
Chappie
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WHOA! You haven't even read all that TS posted, yet you create threads criticizing TIAI..?! RestlessSoul, in my opinion that is totally uncalled for...I am speechless...
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I'm RE-reading them all Mo!How did I write all of these about TS do you think and I copied some of his/her posts. I'm speechless with your attitude. Did u receive my PM? Why don't you answer my PM? Is this how it works here? Just because I don't agree with the admins about TS, it gives the right other members to humiliate me?!? I reported a post and I got an email from the management of the forum which was also humiliating me and I asked for an explanation and I GOT NO ANSWER! And you guys get mad when people make videos about your forum and your behaviours! This's wrong. The way you guys act is so wrong! I don't want to be in a place where people are diverted and are forced to believe in certain things! You don't even give a chance to people to tell their opinion about TS or illuminati or NWO! All of you jump on that person and force him/her to argue or humiliate him/her! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MICHAEL'S MESSAGE! I know that Souza has been trying to mention that she knows Michael personally (Souza's one of posts: "I will call him Mike, whether you like it or not. If he doesn't like it HE can tell me that, I don't think you are able to speak for the man.) but let me tell you something; Michael would never ever HIRE people like you two! You're making division, you're making discrimination, you're forcing people to believe in certain things, you're humiliating and blaming people who disagree with you and so on. NONE of these are about Michael's message! All I see on this forum is a bunch of brain washed people! You guys put them in a small box and you're telling them to stay there otherwise they won't pass the test and fail Michael. What you do is so wrong. I hope everyone see the truth soon and get out of that boax and start thinking by themselves.
Stay with Michael and his REAL message. LOVE!
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WHOA! You haven't even read all that TS posted, yet you create threads criticizing TIAI..?! RestlessSoul, in my opinion that is totally uncalled for...I am speechless...
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I'm RE-reading them all Mo!How did I write all of these about TS do you think and I copied some of his/her posts. I'm speechless with your attitude. Did u receive my PM? Why don't you answer my PM? Is this how it works here? Just because I don't agree with the admins about TS, it gives the right other members to humiliate me?!? I reported a post and I got an email from the management of the forum which was also humiliating me and I asked for an explanation and I GOT NO ANSWER! And you guys get mad when people make videos about your forum and your behaviours! This's wrong. The way you guys act is so wrong! I don't want to be in a place where people are diverted and are forced to believe in certain things! You don't even give a chance to people to tell their opinion about TS or illuminati or NWO! All of you jump on that person and force him/her to argue or humiliate him/her! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MICHAEL'S MESSAGE! I know that Souza has been trying to mention that she knows Michael personally (Souza's one of posts: "I will call him Mike, whether you like it or not. If he doesn't like it HE can tell me that, I don't think you are able to speak for the man.) but let me tell you something; Michael would never ever HIRE people like you two! You're making division, you're making discrimination, you're forcing people to believe in certain things, you're humiliating and blaming people who disagree with you and so on. NONE of these are about Michael's message! All I see on this forum is a bunch of brain washed people! You guys put them in a small box and you're telling them to stay there otherwise they won't pass the test and fail Michael. What you do is so wrong. I hope everyone see the truth soon and get out of that boax and start thinking by themselves.
Stay with Michael and his REAL message. LOVE!
RestlessSoul, you are deliberately causing drama. Many people have answered your questions to their full ability. You really need to stop the drama and get on. Now the 'freedom of speech' issue is coming up? Are we not allowed to say what we think? Is it all about RestlessSoul on this board?
I don't like the bar at the end of my street, yet I am not going there everynight screaming how much I dislike it, I just stay away from it and go to a bar I do like. Get my point?
You have said your thing, members have commented. The fact that you don't like the comments is not our fault.
I am going to lock this thread, because it is going in circles. Over with the drama. You can start a new thread if you have new information about TS or real arguments as to why we should rethink his credibility.