TIAI March 9

[PureLove]

... Also since MJ was getting help from the FBI just like Elvis, Elvis still hasn't come back...just saying...I'm not saying he won't...but I'm saying why didn't Elvis come back?

Simple: when Elvis planned his "death", he had no plans to ever come back.  But with MJ, he was planning his come back for years before his "death".

Absolutely- Elvis left no clues, per se.  

Actually Elvis also left some clues behind like 2001 Space Odyssey film music like Michael 2040 Spaceship and also another parallel with Mj and Elvis is; both of their middle names were wrong. Michael's middle name is Joe but Joseph was used instead and also Elvis' middle name is Aron but the name written on his graveyard is Aaron. But like you wrote he didn't leave many clues behind as he didn't want to come back but Michael planned his come back long time ago like TS wrote.

[MJhasSpoken]

... Also since MJ was getting help from the FBI just like Elvis, Elvis still hasn't come back...just saying...I'm not saying he won't...but I'm saying why didn't Elvis come back?

Simple: when Elvis planned his "death", he had no plans to ever come back.  But with MJ, he was planning his come back for years before his "death".

Absolutely- Elvis left no clues, per se.  Michael, on the other hand left so much- starting with the Memorial Service, Funeral, TII, and "Michael." It's all like one big treasure map with clues.  To disregard all these, would mean they are all coincidences- which we already agreed on they are not, correct?  What would be the purpose of all the clues if you want to stay "dead."  If Michael planned to stay dead- would it not be easier to have "died" from a simple heart attack and then be done with it?  I just do not see Michael leaving his children unless it was absolutely necessary.  Let's not forget their possible involvement (again: memorial, Oprah interview)- what would be the point to put them through all this if there was not hope that their Daddy was to return.
I think, Lisa did not know that her father had not passed until some time had passed- however, I think Michael had prepped his children before the event.  Remember, he knew what it did to Lisa Marie to live with the hoax of her father's death- would he really agree to put his children through this? Unless it was absolutely necessary, served a greater good, protected himself and thus them, and he planned to stun the world by coming back.

Your right but Elvis did kinda leave clues  by using numerology.

[TS_comments]

Ok I didn't realize you were gonna go there TS.   I was trying to just stay on the subject of the paramedics but now that you opened up the direction of this to go towards the FBI being involved I am re-posting some info I have known about for a while now. I didn't want to get to ahead of the game, lol ...

[/color]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

[PureLove]

Probably another coincidence.. LOL :lol: (the TS in the FBI post, I mean)

:lol: I saw a couple of TS on that page which were the short type of Top Secret. Actually TS is our Top Secret too as we do not know who he is.

I do not know if Michael is some kind of agent for FBI or just had an agreement with them but this just stood to me in the first place. It says that FBI gets professionals such as intelligence analysts, language specialists, scientists, information technology specialists, and other professionals. <== Other professionals like Pop Stars and film makers? Why not? Sounds so plausible to me.

[MJhasSpoken]

Ok I didn't realize you were gonna go there TS.   I was trying to just stay on the subject of the paramedics but now that you opened up the direction of this to go towards the FBI being involved I am re-posting some info I have known about for a while now. I didn't want to get to ahead of the game, lol ...

[/color]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

What do you mean by cooperating with the LAPD paramedics? (like the FBI gets them involved or that the LAPD don't know anything and the FBI can't tell them so they just have to cooperate with them) , but because the FBI is higher in authority and says what goes, couldn't they just go either way.
Is there really a need to rent an ambulance when the FBI can fix up everything with no questions asked?

[RK]

So how does the FBI fit with this?

by TS » Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:30 am

TIAI Revealed, Part 9: Today is 12-21-2009 (R49)

In this final part, we are going to be examining once again the “2012” film—especially as it relates to the concept of the end of the world on 12-21-2012, which is exactly three years from today. The “2012” movie story starts in the year 2009, and ends in 2012.

The “four years” that MJ mentioned in TII started in the spring of 2009 (when the “This Is It” concerts were in the planning stages); so we have already gone through the first year. You could also think of the four years as ending on 9-9-09, 10-10-10, 11-11-11, and 12-12-12 (ten day countdown to 12-21-12). Of course these are a little more than a year apart; but they are interesting numerology milestones in the four year process.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
“Can Ye Not Discern the Signs of the Times?”

Jesus said: “… ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:3). Jesus also said: “… when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh [near], even at the doors. … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.” (Mark 13:29-32).

So we don’t know the exact day or hour of the end of the world—maybe not even the exact year. But if we can “discern the signs of the times”, we should be able to know when it is near! The exact date of 12-21-2012 for the end of the world is fiction; it could happen on that date, but unlikely. However the end of the world being near is a very real concept, and not merely fiction. So let’s look at some of the “signs of the times”, which show that the end is near.

Speaking of fleeing at the end of time, Jesus said: “But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.” (Matthew 24:20,21). Did you know that 12-21-2012 will be the first day of winter (northern hemisphere)? And did you know that 12-21-2012 will be a Friday? And did you know that in the Bible, the Sabbath day begins at sunset on Friday?? Is it a coincidence, that both of the things which Jesus mentioned (winter and Sabbath) will begin on the same day that the Mayan calendar ends?

Again, this does not necessarily mean that the world will end on 12-21-2012; in fact, Jesus asked us to pray that we would not have to flee on that day. Nevertheless, the fact that all these things line up on the same day is almost certainly a clue (sign) that the end is near.

The NWO is another huge sign that the end is near. It was prophesied nearly 2,000 years ago in the book of Revelation; read the whole book, especially the last half—and most particularly Revelation chapters 17 & 18. Here are a couple verses: “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them:” (17:13,14).

Also very well known, from the book of Revelation, is 666 and the mark of the beast (see Revelation 13 & 14). The mark is related to finances: “And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark …” (13:17).

Surely you know that USA has the largest economy in the world. But did you know that S&P 500 (not Dow) is “the most reliable measure of the broader market” {http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7468215}? And did you know that the S&P 500 hit a low of 666 this year on 3-6-09 {http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=%7bD2687B35-8BC2-4AA9-A2D4-A004E3E15AF1%7d}; even the date is similar to 666 (subtract 3 from the last digit, and add it to the first digit). This was the bottom point in the worst US recession since the great depression; and in fact many people were calling it the verge of financial “Armageddon” (another end-of-the-world term from Revelation). What does this mean? Surely, it is another sign that the end is near.

Daniel 12:4 says that in “… the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Do we see that today? Travel on a major scale, the likes of which has never existed before in human history. And also there is increasing knowledge in many areas, never before known to man. In fact the internet, a major source of knowledge, has only come into normal household use in the last decade or two. Furthermore, the speed that we can now share information on the internet (through videos, pictures, etc) is something that we couldn’t do just a few years ago.

Another sign of the end is many natural disasters (see Matthew 24:7; Mark 13;8; Luke 21:11; etc). Did you know that earthquakes (along with other disasters) are on the increase? {http://earthquake.usgs.gov/}

As mentioned already (see R47), the Ark of the Covenant plays a major role near the end of time. Again, stayed tuned to TIAI for more info on the Ark; this will certainly happen well before 12-21-2012.

And what about the Mayan calendar ending on 12-21-2012, should we entirely dismiss this? Again, maybe nothing will happen on that exact day—perhaps not even in that year; but especially in light of all the other signs, it is pretty evident that the Mayans did not miss the end of the world by centuries, or even decades. Sometimes I think that the ancient civilizations had more true wisdom than modern man, with all his boasted technology and science.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
“The Son of Man Cometh at an Hour When Ye Think Not.”

“Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.” (Luke 12:40; see 12:46; Matthew 24:50). “… the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” (1 Thessalonians 5:2,3; see Luke 17:26-30).

Different people have different concepts—even within Christianity—about the end of the world: when it will happen, how it will happen, etc. And other religions also have their concepts of the end of time. But most people in most religions are realizing that the world is on the verge of some major change; that is just too obvious to hide.

And for those who think that there will be at least seven more years before the end, be careful. Maybe there will be, but maybe not. Remember that the Jews—even Christ’s own disciples—thought that prophecy was yet to be fulfilled, before the Messiah would come; and yet the prophecy had already been fulfilled, and they didn’t recognize it (see Malachi 4:5; Matthew 17:10-13; etc).

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
“There Shall Come in the Last Days Scoffers”

“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.” (2 Peter 3:3,4; see 3:5,6).

Scoffing is another major sign that the end is near. Just because there have been false alarms in the past, doesn’t mean that the real thing will never come. So don’t be too quick to join in with the scoffing attitude.

And don’t be over confident in what the media or scientists tell you (that it’s not the end of the world); often scientists are right, but they have also been wrong at times (see 1 Timothy 6:20).

Scientists were wrong in the days of Noah; they told everyone not to worry about any flood, because it had never rained before and “all things [would] continue as they were from the beginning of the creation” (see Genesis 2:5; 2 Peter 3:3-6). So of all the people in the antediluvian world: only eight refused to believe the scientists, and decided to get into the ark of safety.

Do you think that the flood is just a myth? Jesus took it literally, and used it as an example of how people would be at the end of the world: “And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.” (see Matthew 24:37-39; Hebrews 11:7; 1 Peter 3:20; 2 Peter 2:5; etc). Again, stay tuned to TIAI: and soon you will see abundant evidence that the flood of Noah literally happened—similar to the final scenes in the “2012” movie.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
This Is REALLY It!

The end of the world is near: whether you want it or not, whether you believe it or not, whether you’re ready or not—the end of the world is coming, soon and very soon! This is big; this is huge; this is colossal; in fact, it really doesn’t get any bigger than this!!! And once again, from the London press conference {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}: “This is it, I mean this is REALLY it; this is the final — this is the FINAL curtain call.”

As ignisaeternus just pointed out: "... it has been mentioned numerous times that the 333 pages were released o 12/21 (2009)- which of course is also time of the 911 call." {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Actually, they were released on 12-22-09; but 12-21 was the date that the 333 pages were supposed to be released, and it got delayed one day because of bad weather.

Anyway, some have questioned if the FBI would be involved in the numerology; and as I already mentioned, Elvis had governement help and also used numerology (including planning the death date to fit the numerology).  So regardless of why, the fact is that they can include numerology--and in fact they already have done so with Elvis, so why not with MJ?

Anyone who has read the numerology posts already knows that 111 is the most fundamental number of the MJ hoax {see especially Update #4, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Along with almost all of the hoax numbers, 333 also divides evenly by 111.  The chance of this being a coincidence is about 1 in 111.

However, planning to release these exact same 333 pages on 12-21, what are the odds that this was ALSO a coincidence?  With 365 days in a year, it would be 1 chance in 365.  Of course someone could say that there are more opportunities for a coincidence during the year, such as 11-5 (V); however, that date would not divide evenly by 111; and 1221 does divide evenly by 111.  Also, 12:21 is the time of the 911 call.  So there is no day of the year which would fit better to release the 333 pages, than on 12-21 (also the date of TIAI Revealed   ).

Now what are the odds that the pages were 333 by coincidence, AND the planned release was 12-21 by coincidence?  Multiply the two odds: 111 x 365 = one chance in 40,515 that this was just a coincidence.  And if it's not a coincidence, then we know that the FBI are helping with the hoax--and we also know that they are including numerology, just like with Elvis.

Finally, what are the odds that the FBI funeral article with the "Thriller" graveyard would be dated on the anniversary of the MJ burial, just by coincidence--in addition to the above "coincidences" (333 & 12-21), and all the other "coincidences" (FBI cap, other numerology, etc)?

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Morning TS. I was reading all of the above and the question of how does TIAI part 9 fit in with the FBI pages came up. Hmm. If the goal of the hoax is to turn 666 into 999 and  in biblical reference 666 is to do with world money systems  then I am thinking that MJ's involvment with the FBI is about money laundering and ultimately, the planned introduction by NWO of the cashless society.
Rev13:16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve a mark on his right hand or on his forehead 17] so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
So we have biblical numerology [even in interpreting the name of the beast] end time NWO agenda of implementing a cashless world wide society and criminal money trails that would be of interest to FBI. We have heard non believers say to follow the money trail since the beginning of the hoax. Both Branca and Malnic have been reported to have involvment in past with off shore money laundering for the mafia (Malnic anyways). And as for the 333 [as in pages of FBI report] for me it's like God's seal of his own personal  involvement. 333 is symbolic of the triune God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit without whose help, this whole hoax would not have been able to be accomplished and also acknowledged and alluded to by the same graveyard used in the ressurection scene in TII. Thanks for the clues MJ.

[Im_convincedmjalive]

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This is a response to the above comments.
I found this (see below) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login  today while searching for something else but it does actually do a great job of explaining what I believe is also a reason for the

"We only have four years to get it right"-MJ.  8-)

When you take into account the fact that the NWO has been trying to get it's plot going full force for many years and it just transfers from one president to the next to pick up where the other presidents left off.

Passing the tourch to the next puppet to keep pressing on towards a One World Government/Religion. I believe we are now in a sort of final phase of the NWO's plans by using once again a President to implement the changes. President Obama was elected in 2008 and his term will end in 2012. The NWO has been trying very hard over the last 3 years to move the plan forward quickly. President Obama was a perfect choice for the NWO and he was chosen for a reason.

My belief is he was supposed to come across as a Savior of mankind especially considering the first part of chaos in 2008 with the housing crisis, which caused alot of panic and upset, then the people started to lose their jobs, more chaos. I believe the NWO used a black president as bait.

I say this because there has never been a black president before and the NWO used that to their advantage. I believe the people and especially blacks were so desperate for change after all the stress from the Bush administration, 9/11, all the chaos from the economy crashing, losing jobs, and homes that when Obama came on the scene it was bought hook, line and sinker; he was the man for the people.

He represented something important to black folks in the sense of them thinking they were finally getting ahead. All the black folks who never voted before were on the band wagon. I will be honest and say I was moved at first by his election but once I found out the truth I am pissed. How dare the NWO use the people like that and play on their emotions. President Obama was celebrated not only in America but globally.

Since his term began so many of our civil liberties have been taken away. Martial law was passed, the new health care reform is a sham (it actually is a repeat from Hitler's time), suspected terrorist are held indefinately with no court date ever in sight, our 2nd amendment of our right to bear arms is almost non existant except for the people who aren't giving up that right, the order out of chaos theory is in my opinion: Scare the crap out of the people by faking terrorist threats and fake attacks (blaming it on other countries when in fact it is our own Governments doing it to us) to the point of submission. The NWO comes in with the answers to our prayers, lol...  8-)

They tell us that it is for our security to tighten up rules and we end up losing our freedoms and the weak don't question it and they just sheepishly go along with it.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

HIGH RANKING BILDERBERG MASON SPILLS THE BEANS ON HIS DEATH-BED
Posted by angelbabe43 on March 16, 2011

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

An Oil Tycoon – a high ranking Bilderberg Mason is terminally ill in the USA.  He opened his remorseful heart to Pastor Lindsay Williams lastweek.  He told him some of the plotted events coming for us all in the next year or so before the take over of the New World Order whereby we will be ruled by China, the yellow skinned race.

But of course the Real Rulers are the Illuminati Bankers who will remain in the shadows as the Chinese take over as the front stage men!  This is what he said which also includes other revelations and facts given to us by the alternative media which is not masonically controlled.

1 – Strike on Iran within 2 years and will spread everywhere!

2 – US Dollar will be definitely dead by 2012  – currencies will be
worthless as THEY usher in the new One World Currency.  The world as we know it now will be completely different in 2012.  Disruption of currencies plotted so pull your money out of the Banks, spend it NOW!

“China are the strong ones” – China are the New World Order
Leaders with America reduced to Third World status!  Timothy Geithner of the US Treasury speaks fluent Chinese! (KEVIN RUDD SPEAKS MANDARIN ALSO. ED.) Within 2 years we will not recognize America. The Elites have altered their Time Line.  After 2 years we will be so poor, we will  not be able to rebel!

3 -  Gold and Silver is all you can rely on – convert your assets and
cash to Gold ASAP – Urgent.  Don’t hang around because the Illuminati are going to crash the banks further very soon.  We are entering into a depression whereby we are ALL going to be utterly poor within two years from now – peasant attitude and peasant way of life..  Don’t depend on Real Estate, Assets!

4 – Crude Oil will be $150 – $200 per barrel in the next few months!

5 -  Banks to orchestrate the Mortgage Banking Crisis which will be
covered by the Act passed by US Congress two weeks ago enabling Banks to take over HOMES without the Deeds.  If you have a Mortgage, pay it off NOW or sell your home to enable you to pay for a home completely – even if you have to buy a shack.  Make sure your humble abode is PAID for – millions will lose their homes!

6 – Obama Health Care Bill is a Control Tool written by the Banks and implemented by the Insurance Companies!  It is Government Take Over – gun control, euthanasia etc hidden in this Bill.

7 -  US Govt gave China the Panama Canal many years ago – a Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) and Tri Lateral Commission (TriLats) strategy!

8 – China owns all the Greek Ports!

9 – China owns 90% of all Rare Earth Minerals – components for
Technology, Weapons etc.

China makes 80% of weapon components for the US Military.  US is
at the Mercy of China!

10 – China is the largest extractor of Natural Mineral Resources,
worldwide.  They do more than half of the mining in Australia.  China is mining in Africa, US, Middle East, Canada!  China has a 90% monopoly over all the Rare Earth Minerals!

11 – China is trading in all currencies, making them Flush with Cash so they can buy/sell in any currency.

12 – Russia is the biggest producer of Oil and Gas.  We must watch China and Russia.  American will never win a war against them because the US have moved all its’ manufacturing industry to China!

13 - The Elites, Globalists want a Middle East Crisis within a few
months. Goldman Sachs Bank, the IMF and City Bank are already in Iran – they have gone in the back door so to speak in order to cripple it financially before THEY strike.  It is also noteworthy to be aware that US/Europe have sold computers with worms (viruses) to Iran – a deliberate stroke.  So we see Iran being set up like Iraq – preparations are under way for a STRIKE against Iran within months!

14 – The Devil’s Messiah Project.  The terminally ill tycoon said:

“we had to get rid of God to bring in the New World Order.  He said that the Devil’s Messiah means total perversion because THEY (Illuminati) cannot bring the Devil’s Messiah to a Righteous People (a Godly people)!"  So now we know why homosexuality, abortion, euthanasia, pornography, unchaste dress, witchcraft is being basically forced upon mankind – in preparation for the arrival of the Anti Christ!!!

15 – The Illuminati are pushing the system for a One World Religion.

The National Council of Churches (World Council of Churches) is
financed by these Masonic organisations – the Rockefeller, Carnegie and Ford Foundations.  It is interesting to note that Faith Communities are a Key Factor with regard to the False Ecumenism pushed by these Councils and Foundations.  Clergy Based Initiatives have taken over most of the churches in the US.  The mind boggles when you reflect how the Faith Initiative At Your Word Lord was stringently pushed in parts of the US, Ireland and especially in the Westminster Archdiocese!  Such Faith Initiatives only leads to an ALL  INCLUSIVE Church!  Enough said, folks!

16 -  Ordinances (local rulings) have been passed in some Counties in the US which empowers the County Sheriffs to come and padlock a church if just ONE complaint is made against that church (pastor) for speaking out against homosexuality, dress code etc!  They are bringing in these Ordinances to shut down churches outside any process of law – just like China!

17 – “We must have our own National Media to bring about the New World Order!” – which they have already – a masonically corporately owned media Civilisation is being collapsed by design.  Elites control China and Russia as well as the US President and Congress.  Congress are going to try and ram through the Cyber Security Act and the Carbon Tax Act.  The US Taxpayer will be asked to bail out the Mortgage Backed Security Crisis which will give around 3 Trillion to the Big Banks.  The Big Banks are snapping up the small banks who are trying to rescue our economies but the Big Boys, the Jewish Illuminati who are the Mega Global Exchangers are having NONE of it.  The Name of the Game is CONTROL – to control your money, your home, your car – your whole life!

Order out of Chaos – to bring about a full spectrum of world dominance!

My evidence regarding what I said above. All of this info I have known about since last year when I started my hoax adventure. This where I went on the hunt for answers. 8-)
IT IS NOW OFFICIAL - THE U.S. IS A POLICE STATE
[youtube:3msm1tnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_ImuY5aZ-4[/youtube:3msm1tnw]

Americans have been losing the protection of law for years. In the 21st century the loss of legal protections accelerated with the Bush administrations war on terror, which continues under the Obama administration and is essentially a war on the Constitution and U.S. civil liberties.

The Bush regime was determined to vitiate habeas corpus in order to hold people indefinitely without bringing charges. The regime had acquired hundreds of prisoners by paying a bounty for terrorists. Afghan warlords and thugs responded to the financial incentive by grabbing unprotected people and selling them to the Americans.

The Bush regime needed to hold the prisoners without charges because it had no evidence against the people and did not want to admit that the U.S. government had stupidly paid warlords and thugs to kidnap innocent people. In addition, the Bush regime needed terrorists prisoners in order to prove that there was a terrorist threat.

As there was no evidence against the detainees (most have been released without charges after years of detention and abuse), the U.S. government needed a way around U.S. and international laws against torture in order that the government could produce evidence via self-incrimination. The Bush regime found inhumane and totalitarian-minded lawyers and put them to work at the U.S. Department of Justice (sic) to invent arguments that the Bush regime did not need to obey the law.

The Bush regime created a new classification for its detainees that it used to justify denying legal protection and due process to the detainees. As the detainees were not U.S. citizens and were demonized by the regime as the 760 most dangerous men on earth, there was little public outcry over the regimes unconstitutional and inhumane actions.

As our Founding Fathers and a long list of scholars warned, once civil liberties are breached, they are breached for all. Soon U.S. citizens were being held indefinitely in violation of their habeas corpus rights.
......

This shows how far the police state has advanced. A presidential appointee in the Obama administration tells an important committee of Congress that the executive branch has decided that it can murder American citizens abroad if it thinks they are a threat.

I can hear readers saying the government might as well kill Americans abroad as it kills them at home Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Black Panthers.

Yes, the U.S. government has murdered its citizens, but Dennis Blairs defined policy is a bold new development. The government, of course, denies that it intended to kill the Branch Davidians, Randy Weavers wife and child, or the Black Panthers. The government says that Waco was a terrible tragedy, an unintended result brought on by the Branch Davidians themselves. The government says that Ruby Ridge was Randy Weavers fault for not appearing in court on a day that had been miscommunicated to him. The Black Panthers, the government says, were dangerous criminals who insisted on a shootout.

In no previous death of a U.S. citizen by the hands of the U.S. government has the government claimed the right to kill Americans without arrest, trial, and conviction of a capital crime.

In contrast, Dennis Blair has told the U.S. Congress that the executive branch has assumed the right to murder Americans who it deems a threat.

What defines threat? Who will make the decision? What it means is that the government will murder whomever it chooses.

There is no more complete or compelling evidence of a police state than the government announcing that it will murder its own citizens if it views them as a threat.

Ironic, isnt it, that the war on terror to make us safe ends in a police state with the government declaring the right to murder American citizens whom it regards as a threat.

Full article:

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

INFOWARS.com
PrisonPlanet.com
PrisonPlanet.TV

The Truth About Health Care Bill- Unconstitutional, Federal power grab, NO PRIVACY
[youtube:3msm1tnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RxKFkyt-I0[/youtube:3msm1tnw]

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE HEALTH CARE BILL

If you only read 9 paragraphs about the proposed health care reform Act, H.R. 3200, please let it be the article below by Michael Connelly. The article is also available at the link attached at the end of the article. Professor Connelly is a retired attorney, former Officer in the U.S. Army, published author and Constitutional Law Instructor.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login­ills The Truth About the Health Care Bill

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying.. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably
forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled. However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no
intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated.

You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4thAmendments may provide. If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private insurance that is not deemed "acceptable" to the "Health Choices Administrator" appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a "tax" instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the "due process of law.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation" to support the Constitution. If I was a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American people would hold me accountable. For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source. Here is a link to the Constitution:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)archives(dot)gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)archives (dot)gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

And another to the Bill of Rights:

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)archives.(dot)gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript....

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)archives(dot)gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us."

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login­ills

Foreign Troops in Calif on Martial Law Standby
[youtube:3msm1tnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msrBpwVvwdc[/youtube:3msm1tnw]

H1N1 Quarantine Martial Law FEMA camps Microchips MUST SEE!!
[youtube:3msm1tnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0gHnspMnBA[/youtube:3msm1tnw]

U.S. Soldiers Rebel Against Martial Law Orders! Twitter: AngelicStarseed
[youtube:3msm1tnw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmmMUK4S8jE[/youtube:3msm1tnw]

[Im_convincedmjalive]

Ok I didn't realize you were gonna go there TS.   I was trying to just stay on the subject of the paramedics but now that you opened up the direction of this to go towards the FBI being involved I am re-posting some info I have known about for a while now. I didn't want to get to ahead of the game, lol ...

[/color]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

Ok sorry for the long posts on that and the one I just prepared/posted having not seen this until just now. My bad. I have alot I want to say and have not until now. I will get back to the original subject.

Thanks for the answer.

Peace

[PureLove]

I'm reading FBI's page right now and please let me share some of the things I've found. These may have nothing to do with Michael's case OR they can be the case itself. So we'd better read these all.

FBI Resources for Helping Victims

The Office for Victim Assistance (OVA) is responsible for ensuring that victims of crimes investigated by the FBI are afforded the opportunity to receive the services and notification as required by federal law and the Attorney General Guidelines on Victim and Witness Assistance (2005). The OVA manages the day-to-day operational aspects of the Victim Assistance Program (VAP) in the 56 FBI field office across the country as well as the FBI’s international offices. In addition, the OVA is responsible for providing training and information that helps to equip FBI agents and other FBI personnel to work effectively with victims.

Victim Notification System

The FBI is a partner with the U.S. Attorneys’ Offices and the Federal Bureau of Prisons in the automated Victim Notification System (VNS). VNS is designed to provide victims with information about their cases. This free, computer-based system provides two important services to victims: information and notification. This information is available in English and Spanish. VNS can inform about scheduled court proceedings and about an offender’s custody status, such as placement in community corrections centers, furlough, release, or death.

The FBI’s victim specialist should be in contact with victims during the investigation stage of the case. Notifications which may be provided include the arrest of a suspect and scheduling of a release hearing, whether the case is being referred to state or local authorities, and when a case may be administratively closed. Victims will need to register with the FBI office handling their case. They will receive a Victim Identification Number (VIN) and a Personal Identification Number (PIN) that will allow them to access the VNS system. VNS now has an Internet-based website that can be found at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

[Adi]

Ok I didn't realize you were gonna go there TS.   I was trying to just stay on the subject of the paramedics but now that you opened up the direction of this to go towards the FBI being involved I am re-posting some info I have known about for a while now. I didn't want to get to ahead of the game, lol ...

[/color]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

I would think if the FBI are involved and if it really was a matter of protecting people including Michael from great danger, whatever type it may be I am unsure, or investigating something extremely serious, then they would be the higher "authority" so to speak and because of this maybe the FBI did have the cooperation of the LAFD as it was something so serious. So if the real ambo officers were used in the picture then they of course would be sworn to secrecy if the FBI were involved.

On the other hand...just throwing this out there.....maybe the ambo officers are actually  FBI agents in a staged shot? We can't see their faces afterall.

[PureLove]

When I was searching for Witness Protection Program, I found out that some of the states have their own WPP. This is California Witness Protection Program. And Michael is definitely not in WPP.

State of California Department of Justice / Office of the Attorney General

California Witness Protection Program

The California Witness Protection Program provides protection of witnesses and their families, friends, or associates who are endangered due to ongoing or anticipated testimony in gang, organized crime, or narcotic trafficking cases or in other cases that have a high degree of risk to the witness. The CWPP reimburses California's District Attorneys for expenses incurred by agencies during the protection of witnesses.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


How Witness Protection Works

.......... The Federal Witness Security Program is intended for crucial witnesses, like Tolomeo, whose prospective testimony puts them in immediate danger. Since its inception in 1970, more than 7,500 witnesses and more than 9,500 witness family members have entered the program and have been protected, relocated and given new identities by the U.S. Marshals Service.

In this article, we'll look at how the U.S. Department of Justice erases the old identities of important witnesses and places them in a city where they are not likely to be recognized, with new names and new lives. The most important rule of the program is that witnesses must not make contact with former associates or unprotected family members. They also must not return to the town from which they were relocated.

[wishingstar]

Ok I didn't realize you were gonna go there TS.   I was trying to just stay on the subject of the paramedics but now that you opened up the direction of this to go towards the FBI being involved I am re-posting some info I have known about for a while now. I didn't want to get to ahead of the game, lol ...

[/color]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

If the FBI is truly involved with all this, I can't see them hiring actors and renting an ambulance.....even in Hollywood.  That would open themselves up to a lack of security within whatever operation they were running.  Any outsider would pose a security risk.  Things would have to be kept very tight and done from within.  That being said, even working with the LAFD would have created questions.  Security would have had to have been top priority.  The fact that the ambulance driver couldn't turn around should prove it was someone other than LAFD at the wheel.  
Blessings

[Grace]

The fact that the ambulance driver couldn't turn around should prove it was someone other than LAFD at the wheel.  
Blessings

Would we have to consider then the paramedics not being paramedics and Doc Murray not being Doc Murray? Would we have to consider NPG not to be NPG and Harvey not to be Harvey?
Are FBI green guys and CIA red guys or would we find green and red amongst both orgs?
Are we heading towards Laurel Cyn?

[GINAFELICIA]

I brought the FBI in at this point for a few reasons, one of which was that people in this thread were already discussing possible government involvement.  Also, I intentionally posted the beginning of this thread at 3:33, as a clue about the 333 pages of FBI files--intending to bring the FBI in at some point in this thread.

Actually on my computer I see the original post was made at 11:33, 8 hours difference :?
People started to discuss government implication not because of the hour and minute of the original post, but because it looked like the only logical answer in the context of the paramedics discussion.

The biggest reason I brought the FBI in at this point, though, is something that seems to have gotten lost or set aside in all the discussion of the FBI and other things.  So let's see if we can get back on track.  If the FBI is involved: would they hire actors and rent an ambulance, or would they cooperate with the real LAFD paramedics and use the actual #71 ambulance from Bel Air?

Both ways are risky IMO.
Both ways imply the same number of LAFD people who would have to know there is something going on.
In the first case LAFD shoud be notified of the operation, even if not in detail. So they would have to know, and the same goes for the actors involved.
So the number of people "in the know" would be double.
That's why I would go for the second choise.
Of course we have a third choise, that they used FBI agents instead of paid actors.

[2good2btrue]

Latest FBI news...................

I know we have brought up the possibility of Mafia involvement and the people that surrounded MJ, especially in the last few years.  We all know that Tommy Mottola has Mafia ties....and in the FBI files, they talk about the threats made against MJ and the president, over Janet..

14 Gambino Crime Family Members and Associates Plead Guilty International
Tuesday, 11 January 2011 13:19

NEW YORK - The United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York announced the guilty pleas of all 14 members and associates of the Gambino Organized Crime Family of La Cosa Nostra (the "Gambino Family") who were charged in Manhattan federal court in April 2010 with crimes including racketeering, murder, sex trafficking, extortion, and wire fraud.

What about all the death threats made against MJ by Thomne Thomne???  Isn't he a wanted man for extortion in Lebanon?  

Could all this be about Thomne Thomne ???
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login