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You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI have work to do and have already spent more time than I planned on. My main interest was in pointing out the obvious vast difference in the entire underlying intent of each presentation, and the effect each had on the viewer, and in hearing the responses relevant to the DISCERNMENT of Illuminati/ritualistic/cult/code imagery which is prevalent in the music industry and unmistakeable in the production last night."But what do MY statements have to do with YOUR statements? :shock:" Your statements were a direct response to mine.Yes, you have the right to stand by whatever great respect you may have for Madonna, or Jon Benet Ramsey as great "artists," but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.Who said otherwise? smiley_spider No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations," implying Michael is worthy of the status some misguidedly apply to Madonna, and that status should be given not by those with the above-discerned motives.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]i didn't make any comparison between...You did. And you are free to compare any artists you like.Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison."Yes that's true. One doesn't need to work in the business to notice that."A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster, that I had no knowledge of the technical aspects of a concert, which I addressed by sharing some of my extensive professional background performing Thriller and other choreography and music made popular by the above-mentioned entertainers and many others, at the time they were in the same circles as me in their height, so am keenly aware of the inner workings of show business as it relates to all of these performers as well as the fact that the lights go down before a show, hello.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMadonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. That's your opinion.It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility. " continue to doubt that she left herself be manipulated like other artists." I am not saying she involuntarily went along with the program; Michael said she isn't a good person; she may well just be inclined to actually like being a puppet by now because their agenda complements her character." " are quotation marks, not "nverted commas." I didn't miss your criticisms of Ma.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginor "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Ok, if you say so. I do say so. I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThe point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:You're welcome.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginand just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...] No comment.That's for the best.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginjust sayin. Peace.yeah. :roll:'Peace." Sorry, forgot we were talking about Madonna. That should be spelled, "Piece."
I have work to do and have already spent more time than I planned on. My main interest was in pointing out the obvious vast difference in the entire underlying intent of each presentation, and the effect each had on the viewer, and in hearing the responses relevant to the DISCERNMENT of Illuminati/ritualistic/cult/code imagery which is prevalent in the music industry and unmistakeable in the production last night."But what do MY statements have to do with YOUR statements? :shock:" Your statements were a direct response to mine.Yes, you have the right to stand by whatever great respect you may have for Madonna, or Jon Benet Ramsey as great "artists," but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.Who said otherwise? smiley_spider No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations," implying Michael is worthy of the status some misguidedly apply to Madonna, and that status should be given not by those with the above-discerned motives.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]i didn't make any comparison between...You did. And you are free to compare any artists you like.Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison."Yes that's true. One doesn't need to work in the business to notice that."A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster, that I had no knowledge of the technical aspects of a concert, which I addressed by sharing some of my extensive professional background performing Thriller and other choreography and music made popular by the above-mentioned entertainers and many others, at the time they were in the same circles as me in their height, so am keenly aware of the inner workings of show business as it relates to all of these performers as well as the fact that the lights go down before a show, hello.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMadonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. That's your opinion.It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility. " continue to doubt that she left herself be manipulated like other artists." I am not saying she involuntarily went along with the program; Michael said she isn't a good person; she may well just be inclined to actually like being a puppet by now because their agenda complements her character." " are quotation marks, not "nverted commas." I didn't miss your criticisms of Ma.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginor "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Ok, if you say so. I do say so. I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThe point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:You're welcome.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginand just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...] No comment.That's for the best.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginjust sayin. Peace.yeah. :roll:
[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.
[...]There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between [....]
Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer.
or "bashing" her, just stating my observations.
The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment,
and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you [...]
just sayin. Peace.
She's really a great artist, great entertainer!She's a beautiful woman, very original and very courageous to show a sexy , even vulgar side, without being dis-gracious!! And IMO, Lady Gaga is nothing but a grotesque and poor, pathetic copy of Madonna.I will not commit the mistake to compare Michael to Madonna. (or vice-versa)Nor have I ever compared Elvis to Michael (or vice-versa)They simply CANNOT be compared!!!Nevertheless they are all VALUABLE artists and no one, objective enough, can deny this!Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see. There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O. Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.
[...]Your statements were a direct response to mine.[...]
but that does not alter the fact that they were both used and exploited by their handlers to serve a twisted agenda disturbing to anyone who cares to expect better.[...]
Quote from: SimpattyK You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.Who said otherwise? smiley_spider No one said otherwise; the key words here are "merit," and "higher expectations,"[...]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations.Who said otherwise? smiley_spider
Don't insult Michael by assuming I would compare him to Madonna. My point was that there IS no comparison.
A comment was made which I was referring to, by another poster
It was stated that any "objective" person agreed with the poster about Madonna's dubious accomplishments. I do not agree, and I have no personal bias against Madonna, just an educated assessment of her lack of ability and humility.
[...]she may well just be inclined to[...]
I think she has many good qualities. She works out, is rich enough to be disciplined about taking her Botox, helped her daughter get into a career, and for a while trained as a dancer. She was friends with Sandra B...once. She can give a pop bottle a blow job. That takes a lot of dedication and practice.
Quote from: SimpattykYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThe point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll: You're welcome.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginThe point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, Ok, so thank you for telling me, indirectly, that I don't have discernment so you needed to remind me of it. :roll:
Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. [...]
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginWow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. [...] +1 Thanks for posting that, Paula ! Interesting interpretation of Madonna's show.I've read most of the articles by VigilantCitizen even if I don't always agree with everything there.... there are some exaggerations too, IMO.Things can sometimes easily be misinterpreted or "over-interpreted" , especially when one sees everything just from one negative perspective!
Wow! Lot's of differing opinions about Madonna. But, we all have to agree...there will never be another half time show like the one Michael put on in 1993. I still cry to this day watching him and the children. :cry: It was and he was and still is amazing!! michael-jackson/
Yes, I know all about what goes into a show and effects and rehearsals, wich is why I know she has worked hard, and appreciate the technical skill of my fellow dancers. I disagree with the above statements. 14-year old boys entertain themselves all day with their penises, but to give someone credit as a "great artist" and "entertainer" in the same sentence with MJ and Elvis who essentially delivers the same masturbatory sensation is indicative of the point I brought up; truly great artists like MJ should be given the attention they MERIT and people should have higher expectations. Many of us noticed that after the Superbowl in 3, when Michael lused hi worldwide audience to promote the message "Heal the World," directed toward children, and it could not be denied he was a figure of tremendous power to inspire people to take it upon themselves to change and empower themselves, MJ was taken down and the attacks never let up. There is no "mistake: in noting the difference between his legacy and what we were just served last night resembling a ceremony at Bohemian Grove. I am not a Christian and preoccupied with "anti-christ" dogma. I just think I have a taste level and awareness of what is behind the scenes in the "industry" and politics, and I'm just making the observation that the music industry, government, religion, are in fact highly controlled by the money interests who decide who they will train as a monkey to dance for the people and distract them, and who will serve the purpose of achieving their agenda, whatever that ends up being. Madonna was put in the place she is not because of talent or hard work, that is obvious to any "objective," savvy observer. She stated, while we truly dedicated dancers were really working and taking any job we could get, that she did not want to be dancer because there was no money in it. She has been supported every step of the way by doing exactly what her handlers want her to do. Michael's spirit compelled him to reach beyond that. It is worth noting this because Michael should have been performing the last decade of his life in those venues, but he was a threat to their power structure as he himself stated many times, and he was replaced by what we saw last night and either gotten rid of as his family has openly claimed, or he outsmarted them. Anyone who lives in Hollywood or been in the industry finds this out in a week, or they are not privy to the circles that control what we see. There is a great deal to compare between Elvis and Michael. It has been addressed on this site in great length. It is also fair to discuss Michael and Prince; both great artists. But the reason most people here are MJ fans is that he was beyond compare. I wasn't comparing Michael and Madonna or "bashing" her, just stating my observations. Michael did not like Madonna either for the same reasons I mentioned. Bette Midler is a great artist and entertainer who did outrageous, shocking, and what some consider vulgar things, but iit was with intelligence and wit. She also mocked Madonna and did not take her seriously.The point I am bringing up is that there is a thing called discernment, and just like watching porno all day long makes it difficult for men to develop relationships with real women because they expect women to serve their compulsions and be distorted versions of who they really are, watching the circus the controlled media brainwashes you with over the years disguising it as "entertainment" programs you into accepting that as desirable in place of something higher. And they use it to instill their message into your mind. The way Michael used his TRUE talent and power to instill a totally different message. I'm just here to march in MJ's army of L.O.V.E. and not Madonna's Roman procession to the N.W.O. Bilderberger meeting, just sayin. Peace.