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Quote from: "PureLove"Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "PureLove"Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.That's photoshop, not lighting.I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder. One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again.
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "PureLove"Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.
Quote from: "PureLove"Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.
Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.
Are you sure this answer was for me? What did i do?
PureLove, it is fine by me. To you it's all Michael, to me O2 dude is clearly a double. But you did not light up the pics, they were posted like that on MJJpictures. It's not lighting, it's brightness. Totally different because it doesn't create shadows.
If that answer was for me, i will be polite and i will reply.@1guest, if you believe Mike is alive and will never come back, then fine. Go back to your life and have peace with that. - I am in peace already because i am not waiting for anything. I'm just happy he is alive.- Non-believers will not see anything, not even if the FACTS are rubbed into their faces. Sweet hoaxers have tried, not so sweet hoaxers have tried, pictures, videos, documents, nothing helps. And if they don't want to see it, then fine by me. The keep screaming Murray is a murderer while there wasn't even a crime commited. They are condemning Murray like the media and part of the public condemned Mike.-That's their problem. Just like people who don't believe in God. I couldn't care less. Everyone is a free spirit. I don't see why should we convert non-believers. This is not a sect.-And like PureLove said, do not twist words. We KNOW he is alive, for many reasons, we do not KNOW details about the hoax.Thank you for clearing that.You are reminding me more and more of some former members, they had the same negative and "You poor believers, I know better and you are all pathetic for staying here" attitude. Why are you here? -Because i am a human being with an internet connection, willing to have social conversations about a topic that i love: MJ.What exactly are you challenging? -I don't have an agenda, i am just a guest on a forum.You are targetting peoples feelings, other than coming up with back up for your claims. That's not how it works in here. -What claims?If you want to convince people of your claims, then back it up with a good story, and not some psychological chat. -What claims?"Any fan can see it"? Again targetting people's feelings and no back up. Luckily I'm not a fan, but my eyes are still pretty good.-Targetting people's feelings? Now you're being sensitive? What about the freaky clown smile that O2 dude had?
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "PureLove"Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "PureLove"Souza this is the picture you are talking about two different MJs. People said that this one was at the backstage and the double was at the stage and showed this picture as a proof. But I do not see the one at the stage and this one behind the stage in a picture. Where is the picture we see both of them at the same time? If there's, I'd love to see.Please don't tell me you think this picture resembles the one ON stage... I don't need a picture of both of them (and there is none) to see that these are two different persons. The fact that you knew what picture I meant tells me you DO think he looks different in this picture.Okay, need to go now. I will see if I can find strength to show AGAIN why I am sure O2 dude is not Mike when I coma back, but I doubt it. Anyways, it's off topic so please continue this discussion in the O2 subforum.Yes, it is the same Michael. I explained it by giving a picture example in my first post. I'm pretty sure that people would doubt if these two are the same if I showed these pictures separately. It's just becoz of the lighting.That's photoshop, not lighting.I will post my last pictures about this issue, hopefully you will get what I mean. I am not being disrespectful, I am simply saying O2 dude is not Michael.I have shopped a picture from Mike from 2005 into O2 dude and put it next to O2 dude for comparison. Not the same person. I don't look at details because they can be altered with photoshop, prostetic make-up and stuff like that, I am looking from a distance. Lips/mouth totally don't match, the lines next to the mouth don't match when they smile (Mike has a U-shape, while O2 dude has a V-shape, hope you get what I mean) and Mike's nose is wider and cleft is shorter and rounder. One might argue that that picture was taken 4 years before the O2 press conference and that people can change in 4 years. I agree, that is totally possible with plastic surgery and all of that and I would totally buy that, if I hadn't seen a picture from Michael only 1 day after the press conference, where he seems to look EXACTLY like he looked in 2005. Round, full lips, short round cleft, instead of a long small cleft, and the wider nose again.The guy behind the curtain looks like the man from March 6 and 2005 as well, round lips, short cleft. Crappy quality, but still.O2 dude has painted lips, if you zoom in you can actually see the original shape, which is pretty thin and straight:Michael on the other hand always had round, full lips, and he had them still on March 6:So, that's it. That was my last attempt and I will never discuss it again. :shock: oookay.....I'M STARTING TO HATE PHOTOS .... they can be edited and they make me confuse...the lights the makeups and all....outta here!
In my opinion he will never come back because it makes no sense to pull this entire ellaborated risky delicate hoax (especially for his family), to make everyone lie, your children your family, to make them lose all their respect and credibility, to make them look like freaks and feed tabloids with other hateful titles, to put them through a hell where haters will damn him and his family like the Jacksons weren't a target for bad mouths enough.
I dont see why he would stay for so long far away from his children, this is the best reason for me to understand that what he did was not an entertainment reality show, not a movie, not a planned thing.
I don't understand how his comeback would accomplish without legal issues for him, family, doctors, cornoer, witnesses, and fake trials (in case it's fake. if it's not fake then it's even worse) . If all is just legal and no one's corrupted with FBI involved then i dont get Murray's part. Is FBI part of the entertainment show too? Does not make sense, FBI doesn't support you in entertainemnt. If he was helped by FBI to escape from i dont know, threatnings, and it's all legal with the help of FBI then again what 's Murray's part in this and what's this trial about. Isnt FBI smarter than this? Or Michael? Dont they know how to pull a hoax without a trial? The trial part shouts for me one big conclusion: CORRUPTION. The hoax is not as clean in this case. If it was, there would have been no trial. WHAT FOR?
Again, i want to make myself as clear as possible: this is my opinion and i cannot state it better than that because i never claimed i know, so i cannot back it up with a "story". I have no evidence, you dont have either. We just assume. And all i can do is use my logic.On the other hand, i also thought about the BAM. Ok, let's assume it's so and i ignore all my cons against BAM. Ok so he BAMS. What for? To prove what? -revenge on a corrupted system? What for? Justice was done in his case. The accused was found: NOT GUILTY.
-expose illuminati,change the world, save the world? and if he expose them then what happens? do you think the whole world is Michael's fan? We all love him on this forum and we dont choose to spend time with haters, but that doesnt mean there are not everywhere outside. And they are not just a small group. And even if not haters, do you think everyone is touched by Michael's spirit or willing to listen to his message? It's their loss, but no. Think about that, not even a tragedy, a small apocalypse like Japan doesn wake us up.
-to make the greatest reality show ever. I could buy that. But not with the sacrifice children, family and fans waiting fot this is it concerts. I am sure he would have found other ways, less painful ways for his children. So before asking why wouldn't he come back, we should ask why would he? What for? What could have determined Michael to stay away from his children for so long? What's more important than his children?