Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: hesouttamylife on May 17, 2010, 07:02:29 PM
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SPARE ME, FOR HEAVENS SAKE :roll:
You can even see the vetiligo on the hands
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The only thing I can think of, is MJ is posing as Barry Shaw.
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That has crossed my mind as well.
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That is a scary picture! Look at the hands, sorry to whoever it is. :|
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Who the hell is Larry Shaw???
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Don't y'all mean Barry? Shaw?
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That is Michael at the Santa Maria court house during his 2005 trial. Not doubt about it.
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I don't know what his name is, but I do know there are 2 different guys attending the trial. I have lots of pictures and I can even tell them apart. One (like the pic posted in the top post) has a wider nose. The other, Mike himself IMO) has a slimmer nose and wears no glasses most of the time. There is a huge difference in eyes and there is a difference in nose. So before debunking, I would take a close look at all the trial pictures again and compare. If appreciated I can show you what I mean, but mostly I get bashed for it, so I'll leave it to this for now.
Edit: The pics of the one in the white suit are not clear enough, I'll leave that one open. I'll see if I can find some picture close up
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I'd like to see, Souza- I always thought his chin was too big in that shot! Maybe that's why he wore two differernt white suits, so they could each wear one, LOL!
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I'd like to see, Souza- I always thought his chin was too big in that shot! Maybe that's why he wore two differernt white suits, so they could each wear one, LOL!
Okay, here they are. First 3, not covering the eyes, slim nose, Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1d.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/3.jpg)
second set of 3, covering the eyes, wide nose, not Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/6.jpg)
I know I will get the angle&lighting card thrown at me here and I am not even responding to that again, even a blind man can see that the last 3 are not the same person as the first 3.
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I'd like to see, Souza- I always thought his chin was too big in that shot! Maybe that's why he wore two differernt white suits, so they could each wear one, LOL!
Okay, here they are. First 3, not covering the eyes, slim nose, Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1d.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/3.jpg)
second set of 3, covering the eyes, wide nose, not Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/6.jpg)
I know I will get the angle&lighting card thrown at me here and I am not even responding to that again, even a blind man can see that the last 3 are not the same person as the first 3.
souza, i would just like your opinion on this. do you think michael would send a double to a court hearing about issues that could put him in jail? do you think he wasn't taking it seriously? or just didn't feel like going? i'm interested in hearing your opinion =]
and i'll concede, the first picture in the second set looks different.
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souza, i would just like your opinion on this. do you think michael would send a double to a court hearing about issues that could put him in jail? do you think he wasn't taking it seriously? or just didn't feel like going? i'm interested in hearing your opinion =]
and i'll concede, the first picture in the second set looks different.
In my opinion they drugged/poisoned him in 1993 to get him sign that settlement, so I think it was a matter of safety. And I think he took that trial very serious, it was his chance to let people see he was innocent, like he wanted to do in 1993 already, but didn't get the chance.
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who is larry shaw?
and i must be blind...becuz im struggling to see a difference in these pictures
I mean sometimes in my pictures my whole face looks different it depends on angles and lighting...but maybe i will look at em again.
I just dont see Michael sending a double to his own court hearing...that would get him thrown in jail for that alone :lol:
Can someone fill me in on this larry shaw person?
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If you mean Barry Shaw, on his myspace blog it says Barry would distract the media for Michael at the court hearings, while the real Michael went in through the back.
Is this the same Barry Shaw that is making the documentary for the trials? thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com, checkout his glasses, they look like MJ's, except he doesn't in that picture.
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Mm, very interesting. I do see it.
Souza, I very much agree on '93- it always makes me so frustrated because I bet any amount that winning a trial back then would have really cleared his rep..
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...I just dont see Michael sending a double to his own court hearing...that would get him thrown in jail for that alone :lol: ...
Not if the real Michael was coming in the back, or was already there.
:|
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who is larry shaw?
and i must be blind...becuz im struggling to see a difference in these pictures
I mean sometimes in my pictures my whole face looks different it depends on angles and lighting...but maybe i will look at em again.
I just dont see Michael sending a double to his own court hearing...that would get him thrown in jail for that alone :lol:
I know I have the same problem...why would he sent someone else to court. that is a felony!!
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And now he has a myspace: http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw) ;)
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Wow, i have looked and looked at this and the first 3 pics look different to the second set O-O?
Will the real MJ please stand up. :lol:
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...I just dont see Michael sending a double to his own court hearing...that would get him thrown in jail for that alone :lol: ...
Not if the real Michael was coming in the back, or was already there.
:|
I agree with this comment also.
Im so confused! :? :?
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Absolutely fantastic. Perhaps the 1993 "drug dependency" rehab was just an excuse. They might have drugged or poisoned him to make him sign the agreement. I wouldn't put it past "them".
The real Mike at the trial is much more handsome. There is definitely a big difference.
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...I just dont see Michael sending a double to his own court hearing...that would get him thrown in jail for that alone :lol: ...
Not if the real Michael was coming in the back, or was already there.
:|
I agree with this comment also.
Im so confused! :? :?
Let's go back in time...
During the second week of jury selection Mike was hospitalized with flu like symptoms, while showing no signs of being ill the day before. Mike was treaded with intravenous fluids back then. Keep this in mind for the second video later on in this post.
[youtube:mijhgb0i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P1jm9NApKQ[/youtube:mijhgb0i]
On to the next:
Jesse Jackson Interviews Michael Jackson
Sunday, March 27, 2005
Jesse: Let me shift this to this extent. Ahem, since so many people are listening and there have been so many opinions – I was in London a couple of weeks ago, and 24/7 was Michael Jackson all-day-long and all-night-long and the day that you came to the hospital late [to court], you said you were injured. What happened that day?
Michael: I was coming, er, out of the shower and I-I-I fell. And all my body weight, and I’m pretty fragile, all my body weight fell against my rib cage. And I pretty much, er, er, I bruised my lung very badly. My lung is on the right, it’s very [sp], it’s, I’m in pain as we speak and ah, I’ve been going to court everyday in immense pain and agonizing pain. And I sit there – and I’m strong, I try to be as strong as I can. So I can, ahh, but what we are looking for is the coughing of blood now. The doctor said I should – he said it’s still very dangerous as we speak, and if I cough the blood, he said it’s a very dangerous thing, so we’re, we’re still watching it very closely.
Jesse: The cynics said you were faking. And it seems that the judge is [sic] will not even willing to believe you, even though you had just left the hospital.
Michael: You know the – there’s no faking with this at all. I mean there was a scan done and you could see, uhhh, the swelling on my whole rib cage, I mean, uh, it was you could see it and it’s bright red. And how it, it [the fall] busted my chin, and it put a huge gash over my forehead, blood, it was er, it was very bad actually. And er, but errr, we’ve treating it actually, I do have some medicine for it, but we are watching it very closely.
Jesse: As I listen to your talking about this whole ordeal that you are going through, and how you’ve er, stood strong sometimes amazingly so, ah, at some point last week, you – you cried. What-what touched you? What made you, breakdown, as it were?
Michael: You mean at court?
Jesse: Yeah.
Michael: I was in pain. I was sitting there hurting. And er, the pain was so immense, all I could do was to sit there and cry. See, because it er, it was so intense at that moment, ah, ahem, I just couldn’t handle it. So I just grab tissues and just put it to my face… and…
Jesse: So, it was more about your personal pain, than the, than the challenges of the, from the stand?
Michael: No, it had nothing to do with what was going on inside. It was totally with personal pain, physical pain.
Then we have this video of Dick Gregory, stating that Mike, during the trial, refused to eat and drink because someone was poisoning him. It turned out that Mike was extremely dehydrated, and they put him on a drip for over 12 hours. Had he waited 12 more hours, he would have been dead.
[youtube:mijhgb0i]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HluEtIMI0VY[/youtube:mijhgb0i]
Souza and I share the opinion that at times during the trial, Mike was way too sick to attend. That, in our opinion, could have been a reason for sending a double there.
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I did not see any double. I must be blind :?
Where are all this MJ-doubles now? They must look sooooo close to Mike, where are they? Why nobody of them speak to the press?
Souza/Mo, don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion - but my opinion is another. For me it's always Michael Jackson.
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I'd like to see, Souza- I always thought his chin was too big in that shot! Maybe that's why he wore two differernt white suits, so they could each wear one, LOL!
Okay, here they are. First 3, not covering the eyes, slim nose, Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/1d.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/2.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/3.jpg)
second set of 3, covering the eyes, wide nose, not Mike IMO:
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/4.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/5.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/6.jpg)
I know I will get the angle&lighting card thrown at me here and I am not even responding to that again, even a blind man can see that the last 3 are not the same person as the first 3.
souza, i would just like your opinion on this. do you think michael would send a double to a court hearing about issues that could put him in jail? do you think he wasn't taking it seriously? or just didn't feel like going? i'm interested in hearing your opinion =]
and i'll concede, the first picture in the second set looks different.
But the first pic in the second set shows him in the witness box, so that could not be a double.
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I don't think Thomas Mesereau would risk his integrity by colluding with a double on MJ's behalf. Sometimes photos do not capture how someone usually looks. I think all of those pictures are of the real MJ.
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You are right about the nose, but the rest is so similar, I can't make the difference between those photos.
But Michael looks so different sometimes that really makes me think he had a double.
I don't know...
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I don't know what his name is, but I do know there are 2 different guys attending the trial. I have lots of pictures and I can even tell them apart. One (like the pic posted in the top post) has a wider nose. The other, Mike himself IMO) has a slimmer nose and wears no glasses most of the time. There is a huge difference in eyes and there is a difference in nose. So before debunking, I would take a close look at all the trial pictures again and compare. If appreciated I can show you what I mean, but mostly I get bashed for it, so I'll leave it to this for now.
Edit: The pics of the one in the white suit are not clear enough, I'll leave that one open. I'll see if I can find some picture close up
Thank you Souza! I have been trying to say this but you always find better words - lol. Everyone's trying to figure out if Barry Shaw is telling the truth and they keep picking apart every little thing like his name for instance. I don't think his name matters and no matter what, a double would probably have to use a fake name.
It is CLEAR that there are 2 different MJ's at the trial. It is CLEAR that he's used doubles.
Barry could be telling the truth. Maybe his name isn't Barry. Maybe not all of the pictures he has up are of him (even he said he has trouble now and then knowing the difference between himself and Michael). Or maybe it really is Michael, trying to communicate with us - it's not impossible.
I think it's really interesting that he chose the pictures that he did, because they are all ones that we've questioned before. And people really need to read up on some things and realize that a double is NOT the same as an impersonator. Imagine having a twin - it would be a lot like that only this twin would be created and not born along side of you.
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I don't think Thomas Mesereau would risk his integrity by colluding with a double on MJ's behalf. Sometimes photos do not capture how someone usually looks. I think all of those pictures are of the real MJ.
Who says Mr. Mesereau knew..? No one has ever questioned this all until last October, and you know how people are still divided about the double issue. The world was "fooled" for years, and everyone fell for it.
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I don't believe that the double was usued for the actual court hearing. The double would have been used as a decoy, so fans and the media wouldn't harass him.
Michael probably entered through a rear entrance, due to fear of assasination attemps.
As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
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I don't think Thomas Mesereau would risk his integrity by colluding with a double on MJ's behalf. Sometimes photos do not capture how someone usually looks. I think all of those pictures are of the real MJ.
Who says Mr. Mesereau knew..? No one has ever questioned this all until last October, and you know how people are still divided about the double issue. The world was "fooled" for years, and everyone fell for it.
Exactly!! The point would have been to fool everyone. Yes just about EVERYONE. Michael wouldn't go around saying "hey everyone, meet my double!" or "I'm looking for my double, have you seen him?"
:lol:
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still dont know about the double thing yet. BUT if you look closely at this lips in all pics...they are the same. Sorry.. :oops: I think its MJ in all the pics.
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No way dont agree, I think its MJ all the way in all them pictures.. I really cant see him sending body doubles to court not when it was so serious and why didnt he do it the day he was in hospital.. Sorry but for me its MJ xxxxxxxxxx L.O.V.E
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still dont know about the double thing yet. BUT if you look closely at this lips in all pics...they are the same. Sorry.. :oops:
And what about the nose?
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No way dont agree, I think its MJ all the way in all them pictures.. I really cant see him sending body doubles to court not when it was so serious and why didnt he do it the day he was in hospital.. Sorry but for me its MJ xxxxxxxxxx L.O.V.E
Court is serious. But wouldn't keeping his life out of danger be a serious matter as well?
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i am not sure , the eyes seems similar by the michael who is wearing the glasses...but the nose looks different so i dont know.... :?
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still dont know about the double thing yet. BUT if you look closely at this lips in all pics...they are the same. Sorry.. :oops:
And what about the nose?
The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
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jacilovesmichael, I suppose it is possible that Thomas Mesereau wouldn't know (if it were a double) but I think it is highly unlikely that he wouldn't know if it were a double. If TM found out (during proceedings)that it was a double, I think he would drop the case immediately and MJ would find it difficult to hire another attorney if the double issue was made public knowledge.
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still dont know about the double thing yet. BUT if you look closely at this lips in all pics...they are the same. Sorry.. :oops:
And what about the nose?
The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
LOL!
Well, trust me, I don't think ANYTHING is impossible. You could be right, who knows!
However, it is sort of mind-boggling to me that you can believe in prosthetic noses that go into a permanent hole (reminds me of Mr. Potato Head HAHA!) but it's hard for you to believe there were doubles with slighty different noses.
One reason I feel that prosthetics are unlikely is because the noses we see are so SIMILAR. So, what would be the point? Mr. Potato Head doesn't have a bunch of similar noses to choose from, they are all different. Lol, okay that's the last Mr. Potato Head comment. But do you see what I mean?
And what about the scars?
Again, anything is possible!
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jacilovesmichael, I suppose it is possible that Thomas Mesereau wouldn't know (if it were a double) but I think it is highly unlikely that he wouldn't know if it were a double. If TM found out (during proceedings)that it was a double, I think he would drop the case immediately and MJ would find it difficult to hire another attorney if the double issue was made public knowledge.
Perhaps. But if there was a double, I don't think 2005 was the first time he (or they) appeared. Doubles would have been in existance already, and whatever procedures they had for keeping it a secret were locked into place. The chances of TM, or anyone, finding out would have been slim to none. And so then we can conclude that the reasons for the double(s) were indeed WORTH the risk.
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still dont know about the double thing yet. BUT if you look closely at this lips in all pics...they are the same. Sorry.. :oops:
And what about the nose?
The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
LOL!
Well, trust me, I don't think ANYTHING is impossible. You could be right, who knows!
However, it is sort of mind-boggling to me that you can believe in prosthetic noses that go into a permanent hole (reminds me of Mr. Potato Head HAHA!) but it's hard for you to believe there were doubles with slighty different noses.
One reason I feel that prosthetics are unlikely is because the noses we see are so SIMILAR. So, what would be the point? Mr. Potato Head doesn't have a bunch of similar noses to choose from, they are all different. Lol, okay that's the last Mr. Potato Head comment. But do you see what I mean?
And what about the scars?
Again, anything is possible!
I dont know if I believe the double thing and I dont know about the noses. We have no real proof of anything. Yes, the nose looks a tad different........I just dont know...these kinds of things Im up in the air about.
I will say, the first pic of him in the white suit does look odd to me. His face seems too wide.
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jacilovesmichael, I suppose it is possible that Thomas Mesereau wouldn't know (if it were a double) but I think it is highly unlikely that he wouldn't know if it were a double. If TM found out (during proceedings)that it was a double, I think he would drop the case immediately and MJ would find it difficult to hire another attorney if the double issue was made public knowledge.
Don't think for Mr. Mesereau please, he's perfectly capable of doing that for himself. We don't know if he did know.
Please don't jump to conclusions. Investigate the trial, there's a lot that you will understand after you thoroughly researched it.
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*Mo*, True, we don't know, I'm only surmising. :)
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
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But the first pic in the second set shows him in the witness box, so that could not be a double.
Mike was never on the stand, Mesereau chose not to let him testify.
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The only thing I can think of, is MJ is posing as Barry Shaw.
:o :o :o :lol:
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
The pics on his Myspace are all highly questionable to me.
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
The pics on his Myspace are all highly questionable to me.
Do you mean questionable as in they could be pics of doubles or you think they are Mike?
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
The pics on his Myspace are all highly questionable to me.
Do you mean questionable as in they could be pics of doubles or you think they are Mike?
Double.
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
The pics on his Myspace are all highly questionable to me.
Do you mean questionable as in they could be pics of doubles or you think they are Mike?
Double.
I agree.
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Totally off topic, I'm sorry. But I like that 777 on that white jacket in the OP. :lol:
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http://thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com/cast-and-crew.php (http://thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com/cast-and-crew.php) :?
He doesn't look like a double.
This is the productioncompany>
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_smqgq (http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_smqgq)
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Are the pictures on Barry Shaw's myspace Barry or Michael? He is a dead ringer if it's him. He could fool anyone if that is him.
The pics on his Myspace are all highly questionable to me.
Do you mean questionable as in they could be pics of doubles or you think they are Mike?
Double.
Yup! I believe so, too. A very polished and very well put together double. It's scary isn't it?
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Can someone please post the links to Shaw's twitter/myspace ??
I want to have a look at the pics to see what I think of them..
Thanks xxxx
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That is Michael at the Santa Maria court house during his 2005 trial. Not doubt about it.
are you thinking about this picture.. not the same jacket..
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Can someone please post the links to Shaw's twitter/myspace ??
I want to have a look at the pics to see what I think of them..
Thanks xxxx
www.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw)
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... all&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000671392058&v=wall&ref=ts)
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isnt it just someone who got a bit confused here. Barry Shaw was the producer an filmmaker of “The Trials of Michael Jackson”, together with Dana Gedrick.
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isnt it just someone who got a bit confused here. Barry Shaw was the producer an filmmaker of “The Trials of Michael Jackson”, together with Dana Gedrick.
I wouldn't count on the name of a double being their real name either way.
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IMHO Michael was at his trial the entire time. Sorry I don't think he'd send a double to some as important as that rial was. I think we all have to keep in mind that MJ went though an emotional roller coaster. He lost a lot of weight which in turn makes him look different. Lets also not forget that MJ did wear lots of make up which can also make things appear different. IDK who the hell this berry guy is but he wasn't at that trial.
Oh and BTW if MJ was using a double, why didn't he just use one the morning he fell in the shower and hurt his back? I mean that would have been the perfect time to use one...
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The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
Where in the AR does it say that??? I havent read that in the AR?? It was of my opinion, that the AR debunks the theory that MJ had a prosthetic nose as it doesnt mention that.
The only thing that was questionable was "nasal structures" that were mentioned in the x-ray part of the report. Nowhere else does it allude to MJ having his nose missing.
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The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
Where in the AR does it say that??? I havent read that in the AR?? It was of my opinion, that the AR debunks the theory that MJ had a prosthetic nose as it doesnt mention that.
The only thing that was questionable was "nasal structures" that were mentioned in the x-ray part of the report. Nowhere else does it allude to MJ having his nose missing.
I don't want to get into the prosthetic nose issue as I really don't care about that, but you are referring to the autopsy report which is clearly not of Mike's body. So whatever that autopsy reports says, I would not base any conclusions on it.
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The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
Where in the AR does it say that??? I havent read that in the AR?? It was of my opinion, that the AR debunks the theory that MJ had a prosthetic nose as it doesnt mention that.
The only thing that was questionable was "nasal structures" that were mentioned in the x-ray part of the report. Nowhere else does it allude to MJ having his nose missing.
I don't want to get into the prosthetic nose issue as I really don't care about that, but you are referring to the autopsy report which is clearly not of Mike's body. So whatever that autopsy reports says, I would not base any conclusions on it.
Exactly. It might as well not exist.
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What a crock... a big pile of steaming rubbish!!!
Answer me this:
Where is this Barry guy now?? He wouldnt be able to walk down the street un-noticed if he looked the double of MJ!!
And.. if he is real.. then all he has to do is post a picture of himself now.. a picture no one else has seen of Michael/Barry.. holding up todays newspaper or something. All the pictures of him are pap shots. :roll:
Dont get sucked into someone else delusional fantasies.
[youtube:ilv63dhm]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao_jPGdNmvg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:ilv63dhm]
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The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
Where in the AR does it say that??? I havent read that in the AR?? It was of my opinion, that the AR debunks the theory that MJ had a prosthetic nose as it doesnt mention that.
The only thing that was questionable was "nasal structures" that were mentioned in the x-ray part of the report. Nowhere else does it allude to MJ having his nose missing.
I don't want to get into the prosthetic nose issue as I really don't care about that, but you are referring to the autopsy report which is clearly not of Mike's body. So whatever that autopsy reports says, I would not base any conclusions on it.
Well you are discussing Michaels nose, so i think its relevant. I didnt bring the subject up. 8-)
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I don't think Thomas Mesereau would risk his integrity by colluding with a double on MJ's behalf. Sometimes photos do not capture how someone usually looks. I think all of those pictures are of the real MJ.
I totally agree. i don't think that mike would send a double to court when his life is on the line. then there would be no reason to show up in pyjamas either, he could have sent the double then as well. if so, i would rather think that mike was already inside at times, going through the back, and the double was waving at the fans.
and this barry shaw guy has too many pictures on his profile from the court case. i don't believe that mike trusts a double that much to have him go to court in his place. plus it would be illegal and i doubt he would risk to put another count to the ones he had already.
i also have doubts that this barry shaw even exists...
:mrgreen:
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http://www.dynamictube.com/youtube/jerm ... ivVfc.html (http://www.dynamictube.com/youtube/jermaine-jackson-press-conference/proof-not-michael-jackson-o2-london-press-conference-imposter=pEeUjYivVfc.html)
Is this Barry Shaw?
Can anybody play the vid? It says video disabled by owner ...
Duration: 2:37
This video reveals the REAL person at Michael Jackson's O2 Press Conference in London. Wow, this announcement of Barry Shaw is shocking!! I cannot believe my eyes!! He looks as an identical twin!! Barry Shaw is said to have a deep voice than Jackson, and looks more like Michael than Michael!
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http://www.dynamictube.com/youtube/jermaine-jackson-press-conference/proof-not-michael-jackson-o2-london-press-conference-imposter=pEeUjYivVfc.html
Is this Barry Shaw?
Can anybody play the vid? It says video disabled by owner ...
Duration: 2:37
This video reveals the REAL person at Michael Jackson's O2 Press Conference in London. Wow, this announcement of Barry Shaw is shocking!! I cannot believe my eyes!! He looks as an identical twin!! Barry Shaw is said to have a deep voice than Jackson, and looks more like Michael than Michael!
I ask again...
1. Where is this guy now? He wouldnt be able to walk down the street un-noticed.
2. All the pics on his profile are pap pictures of MJ.
Where are the personal, unseen photos of MJ/Barry?
All this guy would have to do is post ONE pic of him, unseen and recent.. maybe holding a recent newspaper to prove it.. but there are NO photos like this.
He is a fake.
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http://www.dynamictube.com/youtube/jermaine-jackson-press-conference/proof-not-michael-jackson-o2-london-press-conference-imposter=pEeUjYivVfc.html
Is this Barry Shaw?
Can anybody play the vid? It says video disabled by owner ...
Duration: 2:37
This video reveals the REAL person at Michael Jackson's O2 Press Conference in London. Wow, this announcement of Barry Shaw is shocking!! I cannot believe my eyes!! He looks as an identical twin!! Barry Shaw is said to have a deep voice than Jackson, and looks more like Michael than Michael!
I ask again...
1. Where is this guy now? He wouldnt be able to walk down the street un-noticed.
2. All the pics on his profile are pap pictures of MJ.
Where are the personal, unseen photos of MJ/Barry?
All this guy would have to do is post ONE pic of him, unseen and recent.. maybe holding a recent newspaper to prove it.. but there are NO photos like this.
He is a fake.
This Barry Shaw maybe doesn't exist, but there are doubles, that's for sure.
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[youtube:2tjzsflv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojoQui63pFQ[/youtube:2tjzsflv]
[youtube:2tjzsflv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw&feature=related[/youtube:2tjzsflv]
[youtube:2tjzsflv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGShgI&feature=related[/youtube:2tjzsflv]
He cannot sing! :shock:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojoQui63pFQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4y ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFVR5_4yPYw&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGS ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJBEJiGShgI&feature=related)
He cannot sing! :shock:
I don't know about the first one...the interview that claims to be from April this year...I had heard that before, pretty sure it's Michael.
But the WMA 2006 performance is definitely something that has always confused me. He looks like he's trying to avoid singing at all costs. And he doesn't sound TERRIBLE, but not effortless like MJ.
And the other interview... I think it could very well be a double because the answers seem like they could be rehearsed AND he won't answer any questions that weren't circled. That could be because he was told to only answer the questions that he had a chance to rehearse with Michael. That would make sense for a double, right?
I will say though that if this double really looks this much like MJ, then I've been in love with him my whole life as well. :)
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http://blogs.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://blogs.myspace.com/barryjshaw)
Mai 17, 2010 - Montag
My response to fans
Hello everyone, thank you for coming here and reading this. Nothing can take away the love that I have for you, and nothing will ever keep us apart in our own hearts. No distance, no negativity, nothing can keep you out of my heart. I pray that you remember this, no matter which way things turn over the next two years, you have been in my heart ever since the beginning.
When and why I started as "Michael," I realized that I was taking on a huge responsibility for you all. When Michael came to me, he was struggling deeply in life. He was very unhappy with his life, and he kept pushing on only for us-- the fans-- and I will admire him until the very end for what he did for us.
I love you all, I really do and I want you all to remember this; however, many of you have been treating me as if I was the new King of Pop, and I am not. I am Barry J. Shaw.
I owe all of my supporters a large debt of gratitude for defending me when others choose to use sarcasm, and rude outbursts to try to hurt me. My supporters are the only reason I now push on.
Michael Jackson is gone, but he is alive in me, and I am trying to give his messsage to all of you. You must all understand, however, that I did not come to the internet looking to become a "hit." I expected to be written off by most (as I was until this month), but I figured I could improve the lives of a few people, and that is what my goal is after.
I have always lived my life with the mindset that it's better to improve the life one 1 person, and be unknown, than to appeal to 1,000 people and be known. In my job, I helped give some of the best moments to people they will have for the remainder of their lives. That is something that I did not take for granted, and I must have you know that these moments are also the best moments I have ever had in my life!
I am asked often "was it you Barry at so and so?" "Barry are you in this photo?",etc. I do not answer such questions, for this reason: meeting Michael Jackson was a moment people will cheerish for the rest of their lives. Meeting Barry Shaw is just like meeting a new neighbor next door-- sure it may be exciting for a bit, but that wears off. I do not want to take away those special moments shared between Michael and his fans, even if it was with me and the fans, because if I do not tell, they will never know.
I just want to thank you all for your support... Truly. Thank you all for your support. I could never do this life without you all. I gave up having a family, I gave up having a self identity, I gave it all up proudly for you.
I love you all, please never forget that.
Barry J. Shaw
Barry Shaw is just doing all of this for attention. My response: I did NOT (AT ALL) advertise around the internet seeking out friends/fans/haters. YOU all found me. So if YOU all found me, how can I be doing this for attention? I opened my facebook account up a few months ago, and what is written in the box about me being Mike's body double since '91 has been there all along. This is no new thing, or me gaining attention. Furthermore, if I was seeking attention, and I was not who I say I am-- what (honestly) would be the point of that? I would not be receiving any attention on who I really am? So (to me) that seems a bit farfetched.
-Barry only posts pictures of Michael Jackson that he gets from online. Why don't he get some of himself? My response: ALL my facebook pictures are of me-- now this may blow your mind a bit, and if so, I apologize in advance. My job was to PLAY MICHAEL JACKSON TO HIS FANS. This means that I look 99.9% like Michael, I sound 90% like Michael, and I act 95% like Michael. With such high numbers, it's no wonder I was Michael's full time body double from 1991-2004 and after and no one ever knew I existed. There have been times when people suspected Michael was someone else (examples: phone call with Geraldo Rivera, WMA 2006).
-Why am I coming out now? My repsonse: two very simple answers. 1) I had a contract with Michael Jackson signed 1991 that I would not ever publicly announce my profession and my work as Michael Jackon for as long as Michael Jackson was alive. (hence now I am allowed to do so.) 2) Now with Michael gone, I felt it would be important to help give the FANS information about MICHAEL. Questions about him as a man, him as a performer, him as a father, etc. But it seems people are only interested in me, and if I am real.
-Why doesn't Barry take pictures of himself and post it online? My response: well, quite honestly there is a simple answer to this also. Now my answer may not be acceptable, in fact it may even be controversial, but it is the truth. I have neither the equipment to take a photo of myself, nor the desire to. I am a very strong perfectionist, and I do not look into mirrors unless I am about to go out and do a venue as Michael Jackson. I do not like the way that I look, and it somewhat angers me whenever I look into a mirror.
-Why hasn't the Jackson family come out and vindicated Barry? My response: (they have indirectly, but..) why would they? Michael had a very bitter sweet relationship with his family. The family knew of my existance. To them, and most people around the world, it's neither odd, nor controversial for a man like me to exist. Stalin had a me, and other world leaders I am told. Michael Jackson was the #1 most famous man in the world, it is impossible for him to do all the things needed to do to maintain this spot on the world scale without a double. For the family to come out and call my name out would give no positive affect to them nor Michael. Joseph Jackson has spoken about me in numerous occasions, he simply did not use my name. La Toya Jackson has spoken/written about me. Jermaine Jackson has referenced to me. Randy Jackson has referenced to me.
-Barry has a photo of the court day, but claims it is him. Did he stand trial for Jackson? My response: Of course not. Yes it was me. I and Michael both went to the trial, here is how it worked, and why: Michael was told there was going to be a rioting crowd, and that the people were going to be obnoxious on his walk into the courthouse. So for safety reasons, I walked into the front door with his family and supporters, and Mike slipped in the back door. This type of "clandestine" work happened very often.
I hope you all better understand me now. All that I ask is, I know it's probably just easiest to be skepticle. But just have an open mind when thinking of me, the truth will previal. And if you decide to no believe, that is fine. All that I ask is please just stay off my page and let me live. I did not come searching for you, you came searching for me. So if you don't believe me, I am ok with that, just leave me alone!!!
Thank you all so much. To all my supporters: THIS IS ALL FOR YOU! I love you all! I love you all so much. I do all I do for you.
Barry J. Shaw
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He is a fake.
Same thought here. "I love you all, I really do" - aaaaargh. I really get angry. This @!"§$%& earns to much attention.
Mike is Mike is Mike - who is Barry?! Nothing, without Mike.
Sorry, but this bothers me a lot :?
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He is a fake.
Same thought here. "I love you all, I really do" - aaaaargh. I really get angry. This @!"§$%& earns to much attention.
Mike is Mike is Mike - who is Barry?! Nothing, without Mike.
Sorry, but this bothers me a lot :?
I think fake as well...and always have!!
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-Barry only posts pictures of Michael Jackson that he gets from online. Why don't he get some of himself? My response: ALL my facebook pictures are of me-- now this may blow your mind a bit, and if so, I apologize in advance. My job was to PLAY MICHAEL JACKSON TO HIS FANS. This means that I look 99.9% like Michael, I sound 90% like Michael, and I act 95% like Michael. With such high numbers, it's no wonder I was Michael's full time body double from 1991-2004 and after and no one ever knew I existed. There have been times when people suspected Michael was someone else (examples: phone call with Geraldo Rivera, WMA 2006).
Notice how there are always excuses?
Dont have the equipment.. dont make me laugh. He could use a camera phone, or a webcam or a digital camera. Its not difficult, and these things do not cost much in the western world. He has a computer and an internet connection, so i totally disbelieve this excuse.
Same excuses with all the fakes.. they cant post pictures because they are scared, or because there memories are sacred, etc.. Dr Etok used this excuse as well as others i could mention.. all the fake girlfriends like heismypeterpan, etc... its all a load of tosh.
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He is a fake.
Same thought here. "I love you all, I really do" - aaaaargh. I really get angry. This @!"§$%& earns to much attention.
Mike is Mike is Mike - who is Barry?! Nothing, without Mike.
Sorry, but this bothers me a lot :?
I'm with you !
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If he was MJ's double up to 2004, how come he says he was at the trial in 2005?
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If he was MJ's double up to 2004, how come he says he was at the trial in 2005?
On his facebook, it says 2009.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
I second that.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
Because IF he is who he says he is, he is a big player in the hoax and will therefore provide no solid proof at all. No pictures, no contract.
I am not totally debunking him yet, he uses only pics of which I thought wasn't Mike anyway and his story doesn't sound far fetched at all. I'll give this the benefit of the doubt until I can totally debunk it.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
Because IF he is who he says he is, he is a big player in the hoax and will therefore provide no solid proof at all. No pictures, no contract.
I am not totally debunking him yet, he uses only pics of which I thought wasn't Mike anyway and his story doesn't sound far fetched at all. I'll give this the benefit of the doubt until I can totally debunk it.
Me too. That's what I've been saying. It may be "hard to believe", but so far there is nothing proving that he's NOT who he says he is. Kind of the whole "innocent until proven guilty" idea.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
I second that.
I'll also add that perhaps "Barry Shaw" is not his real name. That wouldn't mean that he isn't real. But that could have something to do with not showing us "proof". I mean, if he revealed himself to the world too much, HIS life could be in danger. Just like we tell each other to be careful, he would have to be careful too.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
Because IF he is who he says he is, he is a big player in the hoax and will therefore provide no solid proof at all. No pictures, no contract.
I am not totally debunking him yet, he uses only pics of which I thought wasn't Mike anyway and his story doesn't sound far fetched at all. I'll give this the benefit of the doubt until I can totally debunk it.
IF he is a big player in the hoax, why does he puts his face on facebook with al the talk arround it?
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this reminds me of the story that was out about MJ having a double that is related to berry gordy ... because of the name..
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
Because IF he is who he says he is, he is a big player in the hoax and will therefore provide no solid proof at all. No pictures, no contract.
I am not totally debunking him yet, he uses only pics of which I thought wasn't Mike anyway and his story doesn't sound far fetched at all. I'll give this the benefit of the doubt until I can totally debunk it.
IF he is a big player in the hoax, why does he puts his face on facebook with al the talk arround it?
Well, why wouldn't he? He looks exactly like MJ. He probably knew most people wouldn't believe him anyway. Just like Mike knew *most* people wouldn't believe the hoax. And if he's apart of it, he can only really be "apart" of it if people are aware that he exists.
I don't see him really promoting anything. He doesn't make music, he's not getting any money, and if he's not who he says he is then he's not getting famous - because nobody knows who he really is.
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this reminds me of the story that was out about MJ having a double that is related to berry gordy ... because of the name..
Thanks for bringing that up... I KNEW I had heard something before. The name "Barry" always felt familiar. That's why I've felt that maybe the name is made up, whether he is real or not wouldn't matter.
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Why doesnt he make a copy of the contract with mj?
And put it on his myspace?
MJ is dead anyway so.. :mrgreen:
Because IF he is who he says he is, he is a big player in the hoax and will therefore provide no solid proof at all. No pictures, no contract.
I am not totally debunking him yet, he uses only pics of which I thought wasn't Mike anyway and his story doesn't sound far fetched at all. I'll give this the benefit of the doubt until I can totally debunk it.
IF he is a big player in the hoax, why does he puts his face on facebook with al the talk arround it?
Who knows, could be part of the plan, and I said IF he is really the double. And we have seen that face many times, it's all over the net.
I only said I am not debunking this story (yet) since it could be very well possible in my opinion.
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BTW... I just looked at my signature again and I am not sure if it's Mike or the double there :lol:
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Its the Barry Shaw hoax...
:mrgreen:
Well.. a fake of a fake is not a fraud hmmm :ugeek:
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BTW... I just looked at my signature again and I am not sure if it's Mike or the double there :lol:
:lol:
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Ok I will have a myspace account tomorrow and will tell the world absolute exclusively, that I'm Blankets mother.
You don't believe me? Oh why I couldn't be? Maybe it's true? You have no evidence that I'm not??
Sorry guys I won't be rude or ridiculous. But it's sounds scary to me that someone with a Pinocchio nose at the Grammys or a green man in the We are the World clip is supposed to be Michael - and when we see Michael clear in front of us we say "no. You are not Mike, you are an imposter".
????!
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what is this guys FB and myspace accounts again?
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I totally agree with you Bella and I consider subtlety an important feature of the entire situation because Michael is very intelligent and sensible.
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How do we know that this Barry Shaw is not really MJ.. Could this be MJ way of coming out???? I mean i never heard of this guy and im a MJ fan 25 years and suddenly he is setting up all these profiles either someone is messing with us or its MJ.. Thats my opinion.. He wouldn't be able to walk anywhere looking like that no way... And if were questioning wether this is the real MJ or not how are we supposed to know when he comes back with the BAM...with the L.O.V.E
So confused:(:(
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Also he said he has been doin it since 1994 where are pictures of him then???? Is it possible that someone can look the exact same as a person by getting surgery down to a tee... I mean this person is MJ in the mirror...
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Souza thanks for posting those two sets of pictures.The bottom set remind me of the picture of mj in the lift in the bashir tv programme, his nose looked wider.Also this could be the same person in TII in red jacket as his nose was wider as well.
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How do we know that this Barry Shaw is not really MJ.. Could this be MJ way of coming out???? I mean i never heard of this guy and im a MJ fan 25 years and suddenly he is setting up all these profiles either someone is messing with us or its MJ.. Thats my opinion.. He wouldn't be able to walk anywhere looking like that no way... And if were questioning wether this is the real MJ or not how are we supposed to know when he comes back with the BAM...with the L.O.V.E
So confused:(:(
Yes, that is very possible too.
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Ok this may be a possibility that the real MJ is preparing the BAM.
I'm not a friend of this whole double ideas - sorry about that. I'm not saying there was no doubles ever, maybe there was - but I think than in a way like a stuntman - they would do their job and keep it for themselves ;). So IF Barry is a double - and IF Mike is alive - I think Barry has a problem ;). He should better shut the mouth and not shout of loud "I love you all" - this is ridiculous - we don't want Barry - we want Michael back to the world... :cry:
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Exactly im so confused now its upsetting... All his accounts were set up around 15th May 2010.. Ok he says that he was under contract with MJ and now MJ is "dead" he can reveal himself..
Guys MJ is "Dead" nearly a year.. I really think its MJ BAM or someone who reads this forum decided to take the p**s outta MJ true Fans..
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I totally agree with you Bella and I consider subtlety an important feature of the entire situation because Michael is very intelligent and sensible.
Thank you Delia :)
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Now here's the part that I don't understand...the extensive plastic surgery to look exactly like MJ. If someone resembles MJ and adds some make up then when the make up is removed he simply looks like a regular guy. How and why did Barry undergo extensive plastic surgery to become MJ and live his life for almost 20 years knowing that he had gone to a point of no return? Also, he's an adult man who had to have needs for companionship and romance for goodness sakes. Did he pose as MJ when he dated or engaged in intimate relationships? It makes you wonder who married who when we were led to believe that MJ dated and married. Sorry but I had to go there.
Plus...unless Barry was an orphaned recluse with no family and friends, how did he disappear from his own life to become MJ? He could not possibly go home to spend time with the family at Christmas looking exactly like MJ without questions being raised. If he told one relative about his new job then that person would tell a neighbor and that person would tell a co-worker and so on until someone in the media would have gotten wind of this remarkable story. People talk and especially love to talk when they believe that they have insider information on juicy celebrity news. So how did all parties involved manage to keep this gem of a secret so well hidden?
Barry mentioned that he moved in with MJ at Neverland. Didn't staff notice when two MJs were walking around? Two Mjs in the room should have caused anyone who saw that to faint on the spot. Apparently, Neverland Ranch had a lot of secrets.
Confidentiality agreements are pieces of paper that can be honored or tossed in the trash if someone believes that the price to break them is high enough. What was the real reason that Barry honored his? He had to know that he would be paid handsomely by the tabloids if he told his story. Tabloids would have loved to learn about weird news related to MJ and it doesn't get any weirder than this. Or...does it? I am buckled up and bracing myself since the unfolding tale of Michael Joe Jackson is getting stranger and stranger by the minute.
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Thank you GirlSaturday - I think he is just another one who wants to participate on Mikes glory :(
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He is a fake.
Same thought here. "I love you all, I really do" - aaaaargh. I really get angry. This @!"§$%& earns to much attention.
Mike is Mike is Mike - who is Barry?! Nothing, without Mike.
Sorry, but this bothers me a lot :?
I agree with you, bella.
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http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw)
BARRY J. SHAW :roll:
"...he is one of ONLY TWO PEOPLE to know EXACTLY what Michael went trhough on this Eatrh..." :roll:
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I know that Michael has body doubles and a twin story is not too far fetched to me, actually I started to believe in that. I don't know if this is too far fetched but I have an idea about this whole Barry Shaw person. In my opinion there's NOBODY called Barry Shaw. Michael created this so called double just to confuse people and after he comes back some people will think that Michael is Barry Shaw. His enemies will be confused as well who that person is. And that would be good for his protection. What do you guys think about this?
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Oh God...
Another day - another impostor... :roll:
Sharry Baw :roll:
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Susie!! I send a hug to you :)
Good night guys - please don't pay so much attention on imposters. The real MJ doesn't need them :!:
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The only conclusion I can come to is this and no one yell at me please cus we know NOTHING for sure.
Recently after his "death" I heard a rumor that MJ had prosthetic noses and the AR said his nose had a hole in it cus of all the surgery he supposedly had. So maybe this could be true and he had a different nose a few times during court. And MJ wore wigs and he had alot of different ones and that also makes you look slightly different.
***dodges rotten tomatos****
Where in the AR does it say that??? I havent read that in the AR?? It was of my opinion, that the AR debunks the theory that MJ had a prosthetic nose as it doesnt mention that.
The only thing that was questionable was "nasal structures" that were mentioned in the x-ray part of the report. Nowhere else does it allude to MJ having his nose missing.
Was just gonna bring that up. No mentioning of a "hole" as far as I can remember... The scars, yes but those have been visible since the 80's so no secret really. It seems like the main difference people can distinguish in those pics is of the nose. I think non-permanent fillers might be the answer just a guess though. There are so many procedures (not necessarily involving surgery) out there that we probably don't even know exist since we can't really afford them, or at least I can't lol! :lol:
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Wow this thread took off like a rocket. If that is a MJ double, I have been in love with him for years. He is good :shock: that is kinda scary that a person can look that much like you. Is he a natural look-a-like or is he customized :lol: Whatever, he sure has made a fool of me. I love orange pants guy in This Is It. He is funny. Now I'm afraid I wouldn't know if Michael was Michael on sight and that's kinda depressing. It would take one of those big ole mj hugs to convince me. No one can imitate those.
I see a slight difference in some of the pictures, but it's still hard to believe that these pictures are of someone other than Michael. If this is true. Just wow :shock:
And btw. I did mean "Barry" not Larry. Sorry.
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I don't know if this was put out there but i remember reading a interview with MJ's clothing designer Michael Bush, and he stated that Michael always wanted 2 of everything he ever designed for him. He also said he made 2 of every outfit he designed for his court case. Maybe this Shaw guy is legit and he did walk in for MJ at the trial on some days....strange he wanted 2 of every outfit.... :shock:
I don't have the link to the article...I read it way back at the beginning of this hoax. Will try and find it!
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Maybe Michael Jackson has had plastic surgery to resemble him :o :o :o :o
Hell if someone paid me well enough, I would do it too.
I'm gonna stick to my gut insticts and say " I know the man is MJ" and a DNA test will prove it.,
If MJ appeared to us via the internet, could the possibility of the leaked webcam videos be a clue for us to find this guy ???????? The childrens webcam videos is unfortunately one of the most watched videos at the moment.
Just thinking out loud.
As always, with L.O.V.E xoxoxo
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There does seem to be alot of difference in the size and shape of his hands. In one of these pictures, you can definitely see a scar from cosmetic surgery on his forehead, and how his hair has been glued down around the hairline.
The answer is in the hands (or maybe in another area of his body that I can't mention ;) ;) ;) ;) )
Sorry Michael for analyzing you like this. It's all for L.O.V.E xoxo
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I don't know if this was put out there but i remember reading a interview with MJ's clothing designer Michael Bush, and he stated that Michael always wanted 2 of everything he ever designed for him. He also said he made 2 of every outfit he designed for his court case. Maybe this Shaw guy is legit and he did walk in for MJ at the trial on some days....strange he wanted 2 of every outfit.... :shock:
I don't have the link to the article...I read it way back at the beginning of this hoax. Will try and find it!
OMG! I remember that too! No idea where I heard or read it. But it rings a bell for sure. And HELLO!? Why else would he want two of everything? Just to be a pain in the ass? I doubt it!
I also think the plastic surgery could have went both ways for SURE. In fact, that would make a lot of sense since he said he met Michael in the early 90's I believe... that's when Mike's looks really became confusing. Maybe they both had plastic surgery to sort of blend the two men together. Crazy to think about! But possible!
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Apparently Taaj Malik and Michael Kiss are really angry at this guy and want to report him as a fake.......
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Okay, here's what I think.
We all know that Michael is a perfectionist. As a perfectionist, one would do things properly crossing the Ts & dotting the Is. If he has hired a double, he would be certain that things are done properly(contracts/agreements,etc) - everything vivid to the DOT.
If someone has been hired to be MJ's double,things have to be perfect - no leakage that would spread doubts/questions.Doubles are professionals & they must be good & ethical in what they do.
I'm not saying that Michael hasn't hired any double,I'm saying that I don't believe at all in Barry Shaw
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It sure does seem that someonei s playing tricks on us. I cannot believe this as a body double, perhaps those pics are of the real Michael Jackson. In the final days/years of his life, he always wore a mask, so it is very, very hard to know who is the real Micheal Jackson. Wow ! How totally confusing this Barry Shaw is. Perhaps Barry Shaw is Michael one and the same, after all we would never know for sure
right?
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The other day I chatted with Barry on msn, he was cordial & kind & eager to answer my questions, which he did. I'm thinkin its more likely that he's MJ than a double becuz that would explain why he hasnt put his current picture up on the internet...too dangerous for him & besides it opens hoax too early.
If hes MJs double he could post his NOW picture, why not?
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he is a fake.
I believe he said he's currently staying at a secluded ranch in Austria or Australia.
It surprises me, on Facebook wall Michael Kiss called him a fake & asks him to stop what hes doing becuz its hurtful to himself & the other tribute artists. Is it possible the impersonators didnt know MJ has double.
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It sure does seem that someonei s playing tricks on us. I cannot believe this as a body double, perhaps those pics are of the real Michael Jackson. In the final days/years of his life, he always wore a mask, so it is very, very hard to know who is the real Micheal Jackson. Wow ! How totally confusing this Barry Shaw is. Perhaps Barry Shaw is Michael one and the same, after all we would never know for sure
right?
Exactly. This is the return phase I believe and it's meant to be confusing. This Barry Shaw deal could be Michael's way of showing himself to us without really showing himself.
I still am aware that Barry could be just a fake.
However, look at how much attention this thread alone is getting. Whether you believe it or not, it's getting attention. And I can't think of anyone better at getting attention than Michael Jackson.
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Apparently Taaj Malik and Michael Kiss are really angry at this guy and want to report him as a fake.......
Taaj Malik is also a nonbeliever, she doesnt believe in the hoax.
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The other day I chatted with Barry on msn, he was cordial & kind & eager to answer my questions, which he did. I'm thinkin its more likely that he's MJ than a double becuz that would explain why he hasnt put his current picture up on the internet...too dangerous for him & besides it opens hoax too early.
If hes MJs double he could post his NOW picture, why not?
OR
he is a fake.
I believe he said he's currently staying at a secluded ranch in Austria or Australia.
It surprises me, on Facebook wall Michael Kiss called him a fake & asks him to stop what hes doing becuz its hurtful to himself & the other tribute artists. Is it possible the impersonators didnt know MJ has double.
I chatted with him too. He said he was enjoying the nature in Austria. He was very polite and eager to answer questions of mine too. And he answered quickly. He never said anything that made me think he was fake, in fact most of the things he said and the way he said them really made me think the opposite.
I think it's very possible that it's Michael. And I also think it's possible that he's not lying about the double. Heck, maybe even his double was the one who died on June 25th (if anyone died), and this could be his way to sort of honor his double by revealing him to the fans and acknowledging all that he did for him.
I've been thinking that this may be more likely. If I believe the hoax, which I do, then Michael is alive somewhere. If Michael is alive somewhere, which he HAS TO BE (our evidence is better than what Jesus has - LOL!) then it would NOT be a double communicating with us because his contract would still be intact because Michael DIDN'T DIE! Or, it could be a double speaking to us with Michael's permission.
So we have to look at what makes most sense based on EVERYTHING we've learned so far. I'm really leaning toward it being Michael... and I'm really straying from the option of it being a complete fake with nothing to do with the hoax.
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I don't believe that the double was usued for the actual court hearing. The double would have been used as a decoy, so fans and the media wouldn't harass him.
Michael probably entered through a rear entrance, due to fear of assasination attemps.
As always, with L.O.V.E xoxox
but how could he have gotten away with it? his SUVs came in full view of the crowd all the time. did Mike come in before the crowds were there? a double should be a well-kept secret, but the police would have known if this story is true because they would let Michael in through the back door and then again through the front. and the story would spread like wildfire. and then what happens to the double when Mike is sitting in court? how can he hide in front of all the LAPD?...so i don't really think this is plausible.
as for him coming in on days that Michael would be absent, i don't really know. i have always thought O2 wasn't him so i should have no trouble believing this Barry Shaw story, but then i would never have thought a double would be used in very important public appearances. he said he was the one at the VMA 2006, and i watched the video again, and i really believe that was all Mike. unless he also has the same aura emanating out of him??? how could that be...
there was also an old old story at the very first MJHD that the Michael seen with Joanna Thome wasn't Mike at all, but that's just a story.
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It sure does seem that someonei s playing tricks on us. I cannot believe this as a body double, perhaps those pics are of the real Michael Jackson. In the final days/years of his life, he always wore a mask, so it is very, very hard to know who is the real Micheal Jackson. Wow ! How totally confusing this Barry Shaw is. Perhaps Barry Shaw is Michael one and the same, after all we would never know for sure
right?
Exactly. This is the return phase I believe and it's meant to be confusing. This Barry Shaw deal could be Michael's way of showing himself to us without really showing himself.
I still am aware that Barry could be just a fake.
However, look at how much attention this thread alone is getting. Whether you believe it or not, it's getting attention. And I can't think of anyone better at getting attention than Michael Jackson.
My impression is that Barrys main goal is to get to know the MJ fans. & What better way for MJ to get to know his fans than posing as Barry J. Shaw, BTW I wonder what J. stand for.
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It sure does seem that someonei s playing tricks on us. I cannot believe this as a body double, perhaps those pics are of the real Michael Jackson. In the final days/years of his life, he always wore a mask, so it is very, very hard to know who is the real Micheal Jackson. Wow ! How totally confusing this Barry Shaw is. Perhaps Barry Shaw is Michael one and the same, after all we would never know for sure
right?
Exactly. This is the return phase I believe and it's meant to be confusing. This Barry Shaw deal could be Michael's way of showing himself to us without really showing himself.
I still am aware that Barry could be just a fake.
However, look at how much attention this thread alone is getting. Whether you believe it or not, it's getting attention. And I can't think of anyone better at getting attention than Michael Jackson.
My impression is that Barrys main goal is to get to know the MJ fans. & What better way for MJ to get to know his fans than posing as Barry J. Shaw, BTW I wonder what J. stand for.
I agree with you! Why get to know the fans? If he is just a crazy fan himself... why care about the fans? Like I've mentioned before, that is ALL he is doing as far as I can see. He isn't promoting anything or asking for anything. Nobody has come forward to say he has been inappropriate. When I talked to him, he did ask me about myself. But there was nothing inappropriate about it. If he isn't who he says he is, then OK, but he would have to have a motive of some kind and I just don't see one.
And I noticed the J thing too. In fact, he seems to include it as much as possible...when I sign my name I don't usually include my middle initial unless it's asked for.
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damn i wish i had msn!!!!!
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damn i wish i had msn!!!!!
I hear you! I reopened my old account up just to talk to him! I saved the conversation I had with him to refer back to. I decided not to post the entire thing out of respect. But just in case I hear anything that contradicts what he said to me, I could have proof.
I haven't had a chance to speak to him since..this was a few days ago.. I don't think he gets on there too often because he is overloaded with messages.
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****jumps back in padded cell and swallows key this time.****** :roll: LOL!
We may have been seeing a double for years and would never know. Mike's looks changed so much over the last 15 years it was impossible to keep up. The weight especially - watch the weight. But you all have an excellent point in saying that maybe Barry is Mike pretending to be Barry so Mike can come out. :? It's all for LOVE, right?
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There does seem to be alot of difference in the size and shape of his hands. In one of these pictures, you can definitely see a scar from cosmetic surgery on his forehead, and how his hair has been glued down around the hairline.
The answer is in the hands (or maybe in another area of his body that I can't mention ;) ;) ;) ;) )
Sorry Michael for analyzing you like this. It's all for L.O.V.E xoxo
omgosh, his baby finger is much too short in the last pic! he's always had slender and long fingers, but could changes be due to - maybe arthritis? they've gotten fat and shorter? maybe swollen...
thanks for this. i think we should look at more pictures of his hands. like the O2 guy's hand is similar to this june 2009 pic. but he is with the children!!!
aren't these different thumbs? (O2 press con & Oliver the following night)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/elbtwx.jpg)
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Here are some questions he answered on Myspace if this helps everyone:
My response to my critics
Hello everyone! God bless all of you out there, and thank you all for the INCREDIBLE amount of support; I am truly humbled. I think that it is very important for me to answer some questions that have been raised by my critics. So I am going to try to respond to most of the major questions that have been raised by my critics.
Please note: I get (it seems) about 25-50 messages on facebook every hour. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to respond to everyone. Please do not get upset at me, I am trying very hard to stay up to date.
Ok so here we are with the most asked questions/comments from my critics.
-Barry Shaw is just doing all of this for attention. My response: I did NOT (AT ALL) advertise around the internet seeking out friends/fans/haters. YOU all found me. So if YOU all found me, how can I be doing this for attention? I opened my facebook account up a few months ago, and what is written in the box about me being Mike's body double since '91 has been there all along. This is no new thing, or me gaining attention. Furthermore, if I was seeking attention, and I was not who I say I am-- what (honestly) would be the point of that? I would not be receiving any attention on who I really am? So (to me) that seems a bit farfetched.
-Barry only posts pictures of Michael Jackson that he gets from online. Why don't he get some of himself? My response: ALL my facebook pictures are of me-- now this may blow your mind a bit, and if so, I apologize in advance. My job was to PLAY MICHAEL JACKSON TO HIS FANS. This means that I look 99.9% like Michael, I sound 90% like Michael, and I act 95% like Michael. With such high numbers, it's no wonder I was Michael's full time body double from 1991-2004 and after and no one ever knew I existed. There have been times when people suspected Michael was someone else (examples: phone call with Geraldo Rivera, WMA 2006).
-Why am I coming out now? My repsonse: two very simple answers. 1) I had a contract with Michael Jackson signed 1991 that I would not ever publicly announce my profession and my work as Michael Jackon for as long as Michael Jackson was alive. (hence now I am allowed to do so.) 2) Now with Michael gone, I felt it would be important to help give the FANS information about MICHAEL. Questions about him as a man, him as a performer, him as a father, etc. But it seems people are only interested in me, and if I am real.
-Why doesn't Barry take pictures of himself and post it online? My response: well, quite honestly there is a simple answer to this also. Now my answer may not be acceptable, in fact it may even be controversial, but it is the truth. I have neither the equipment to take a photo of myself, nor the desire to. I am a very strong perfectionist, and I do not look into mirrors unless I am about to go out and do a venue as Michael Jackson. I do not like the way that I look, and it somewhat angers me whenever I look into a mirror.
-Why hasn't the Jackson family come out and vindicated Barry? My response: (they have indirectly, but..) why would they? Michael had a very bitter sweet relationship with his family. The family knew of my existance. To them, and most people around the world, it's neither odd, nor controversial for a man like me to exist. Stalin had a me, and other world leaders I am told. Michael Jackson was the #1 most famous man in the world, it is impossible for him to do all the things needed to do to maintain this spot on the world scale without a double. For the family to come out and call my name out would give no positive affect to them nor Michael. Joseph Jackson has spoken about me in numerous occasions, he simply did not use my name. La Toya Jackson has spoken/written about me. Jermaine Jackson has referenced to me. Randy Jackson has referenced to me.
-Barry has a photo of the court day, but claims it is him. Did he stand trial for Jackson? My response: Of course not. Yes it was me. I and Michael both went to the trial, here is how it worked, and why: Michael was told there was going to be a rioting crowd, and that the people were going to be obnoxious on his walk into the courthouse. So for safety reasons, I walked into the front door with his family and supporters, and Mike slipped in the back door. This type of "clandestine" work happened very often.
I hope you all better understand me now. All that I ask is, I know it's probably just easiest to be skepticle. But just have an open mind when thinking of me, the truth will previal. And if you decide to no believe, that is fine. All that I ask is please just stay off my page and let me live. I did not come searching for you, you came searching for me. So if you don't believe me, I am ok with that, just leave me alone!!!
Thank you all so much. To all my supporters: THIS IS ALL FOR YOU! I love you all! I love you all so much. I do all I do for you.
Barry J. Shaw
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Here are some questions her answered on Myspace if this helps everyone:
My response to my critics
Hello everyone! God bless all of you out there, and thank you all for the INCREDIBLE amount of support; I am truly humbled. I think that it is very important for me to answer some questions that have been raised by my critics. So I am going to try to respond to most of the major questions that have been raised by my critics.
Please note: I get (it seems) about 25-50 messages on facebook every hour. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to respond to everyone. Please do not get upset at me, I am trying very hard to stay up to date.
Ok so here we are with the most asked questions/comments from my critics.
-Barry Shaw is just doing all of this for attention. My response: I did NOT (AT ALL) advertise around the internet seeking out friends/fans/haters. YOU all found me. So if YOU all found me, how can I be doing this for attention? I opened my facebook account up a few months ago, and what is written in the box about me being Mike's body double since '91 has been there all along. This is no new thing, or me gaining attention. Furthermore, if I was seeking attention, and I was not who I say I am-- what (honestly) would be the point of that? I would not be receiving any attention on who I really am? So (to me) that seems a bit farfetched.
-Barry only posts pictures of Michael Jackson that he gets from online. Why don't he get some of himself? My response: ALL my facebook pictures are of me-- now this may blow your mind a bit, and if so, I apologize in advance. My job was to PLAY MICHAEL JACKSON TO HIS FANS. This means that I look 99.9% like Michael, I sound 90% like Michael, and I act 95% like Michael. With such high numbers, it's no wonder I was Michael's full time body double from 1991-2004 and after and no one ever knew I existed. There have been times when people suspected Michael was someone else (examples: phone call with Geraldo Rivera, WMA 2006).
-Why am I coming out now? My repsonse: two very simple answers. 1) I had a contract with Michael Jackson signed 1991 that I would not ever publicly announce my profession and my work as Michael Jackon for as long as Michael Jackson was alive. (hence now I am allowed to do so.) 2) Now with Michael gone, I felt it would be important to help give the FANS information about MICHAEL. Questions about him as a man, him as a performer, him as a father, etc. But it seems people are only interested in me, and if I am real.
-Why doesn't Barry take pictures of himself and post it online? My response: well, quite honestly there is a simple answer to this also. Now my answer may not be acceptable, in fact it may even be controversial, but it is the truth. I have neither the equipment to take a photo of myself, nor the desire to. I am a very strong perfectionist, and I do not look into mirrors unless I am about to go out and do a venue as Michael Jackson. I do not like the way that I look, and it somewhat angers me whenever I look into a mirror.
-Why hasn't the Jackson family come out and vindicated Barry? My response: (they have indirectly, but..) why would they? Michael had a very bitter sweet relationship with his family. The family knew of my existance. To them, and most people around the world, it's neither odd, nor controversial for a man like me to exist. Stalin had a me, and other world leaders I am told. Michael Jackson was the #1 most famous man in the world, it is impossible for him to do all the things needed to do to maintain this spot on the world scale without a double. For the family to come out and call my name out would give no positive affect to them nor Michael. Joseph Jackson has spoken about me in numerous occasions, he simply did not use my name. La Toya Jackson has spoken/written about me. Jermaine Jackson has referenced to me. Randy Jackson has referenced to me.
-Barry has a photo of the court day, but claims it is him. Did he stand trial for Jackson? My response: Of course not. Yes it was me. I and Michael both went to the trial, here is how it worked, and why: Michael was told there was going to be a rioting crowd, and that the people were going to be obnoxious on his walk into the courthouse. So for safety reasons, I walked into the front door with his family and supporters, and Mike slipped in the back door. This type of "clandestine" work happened very often.
I hope you all better understand me now. All that I ask is, I know it's probably just easiest to be skepticle. But just have an open mind when thinking of me, the truth will previal. And if you decide to no believe, that is fine. All that I ask is please just stay off my page and let me live. I did not come searching for you, you came searching for me. So if you don't believe me, I am ok with that, just leave me alone!!!
Thank you all so much. To all my supporters: THIS IS ALL FOR YOU! I love you all! I love you all so much. I do all I do for you.
Barry J. Shaw
okay, i'm not going to debunk this guy, because simply, i do not know. however, i have a few questions.
1. if he looks 99.9% like michael, how come there aren't reports of wherever he is that there is an identical michael jackson look-alike roaming the streets. i mean, we haven't heard anything? anywhere before?
2. supporters? he's had a facebook for "a few months" and he has gained supporters? he must be some enigma to have followers already
people have entertained the thought that this is michael testing the waters, i'm leaning more towards that.
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There does seem to be alot of difference in the size and shape of his hands. In one of these pictures, you can definitely see a scar from cosmetic surgery on his forehead, and how his hair has been glued down around the hairline.
The answer is in the hands (or maybe in another area of his body that I can't mention ;) ;) ;) ;) )
Sorry Michael for analyzing you like this. It's all for L.O.V.E xoxo
omgosh, his baby finger is much too short in the last pic! he's always had slender and long fingers, but could changes be due to - maybe arthritis? they've gotten fat and shorter? maybe swollen...
thanks for this. i think we should look at more pictures of his hands. like the O2 guy's hand is similar to this june 2009 pic. but he is with the children!!!
aren't these different thumbs? (O2 press con & Oliver the following night)
(http://i43.tinypic.com/elbtwx.jpg)
02 hands look extremely dehydrated. Lacking water. It almost looks like a glove.
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This is probably the most idiotic thing I have ever come up with lol but anything is worth a try. What is the possibility that Dave Dave could have ever been made up to look like Michael Jackson. We've been thinking maybe Michael was posing as DD but what about the other way around?? I'm really curious to hear views on this.
Nefari
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Here are some questions he answered on Myspace if this helps everyone:
-Barry has a photo of the court day, but claims it is him. Did he stand trial for Jackson? My response: Of course not. Yes it was me. I and Michael both went to the trial, here is how it worked, and why: Michael was told there was going to be a rioting crowd, and that the people were going to be obnoxious on his walk into the courthouse. So for safety reasons, I walked into the front door with his family and supporters, and Mike slipped in the back door. This type of "clandestine" work happened very often.
This is an answer that caused me to wake up in the middle of the night. There's plenty of footage of Mike walking into the front door, straight into the court room. There were cameras both outside and inside the courthouse. So, if what Berry Shaw is saying is true, then the switch was made inside the courtroom, with all the media witnessing it. The media, who were out to bash Mike and sensationalize every possible little detail "forgot" to mention this...?
[youtube:1f7osfhh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0C9l1F-USk[/youtube:1f7osfhh]
[youtube:1f7osfhh]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gSyEbF1WMc[/youtube:1f7osfhh]
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To be honest, I'm done with this Barry Shaw nonsense until Barry Shaw posts a video on youtube confessing he was Michael's double. Then i will know it's a real person. This could be someone with a lot of time on their hands, it could be a stigma of imagination by someone, like Derek Clontz. Please everyone, don't be so vulnerable. Well until then, these are all Michael.
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[b]This is an answer that caused me to wake up in the middle of the night. There's plenty of footage of Mike walking into the front door, straight into the court room. There were cameras both outside and inside the courthouse. So, if what Berry Shaw is saying is true, then the switch was made inside the courtroom, with all the media witnessing it. The media, who were out to bash Mike and sensationalize every possible little detail "forgot" to mention this...?[/b]
I totally agree,MO
These almost 11 months,I have learned to be more careful about what's steaming out & streaming out cause it seems that so many people claim to be Michael &/or know him personally, & they hit the core of Michael - MICHAEL'S FANS, to sound more convincing.
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[b]This is an answer that caused me to wake up in the middle of the night. There's plenty of footage of Mike walking into the front door, straight into the court room. There were cameras both outside and inside the courthouse. So, if what Berry Shaw is saying is true, then the switch was made inside the courtroom, with all the media witnessing it. The media, who were out to bash Mike and sensationalize every possible little detail "forgot" to mention this...?[/b]
I totally agree,MO
These almost 11 months,I have learned to be more careful about what's steaming out & streaming out cause it seems that so many people claim to be Michael &/or know him personally, & they hit the core of Michael - MICHAEL'S FANS, to sound more convincing.
I hope you understood what I meant, especially since you left out the paragraph I replied to. I am convinced there are doubles, and I do see a double appearing outside the courthouse. I was pointing out that as far as I can get it, there wasn't a possibility to switch inside the courthouse without anyone noticing it.
I posted two videos and a segment of an interview on page 1 of this thread yesterday to point out that Mike was very ill during the trial. To me it seems more logical that a double attended when Mike was too ill than that a double made an entrance and they swapped places inside the courthouse.
Mind - Mike never testified, he was only present. Here's a link to that post: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9940&p=167414#p167414 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=9940&p=167414#p167414)
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This is the letter Barry Shaw wrote to the fans.
http://blogs.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://blogs.myspace.com/barryjshaw)
May 17, 2010 - Monday
My response to fans
Hello everyone, thank you for coming here and reading this. Nothing can take away the love that I have for you, and nothing will ever keep us apart in our own hearts. No distance, no negativity, nothing can keep you out of my heart. I pray that you remember this, no matter which way things turn over the next two years, you have been in my heart ever since the beginning.
When and why I started as "Michael," I realized that I was taking on a huge responsibility for you all. When Michael came to me, he was struggling deeply in life. He was very unhappy with his life, and he kept pushing on only for us-- the fans-- and I will admire him until the very end for what he did for us.
I love you all, I really do and I want you all to remember this; however, many of you have been treating me as if I was the new King of Pop, and I am not. I am Barry J. Shaw.
I owe all of my supporters a large debt of gratitude for defending me when others choose to use sarcasm, and rude outbursts to try to hurt me. My supporters are the only reason I now push on.
Michael Jackson is gone, but he is alive in me, and I am trying to give his messsage to all of you. You must all understand, however, that I did not come to the internet looking to become a "hit." I expected to be written off by most (as I was until this month), but I figured I could improve the lives of a few people, and that is what my goal is after.
I have always lived my life with the mindset that it's better to improve the life one 1 person, and be unknown, than to appeal to 1,000 people and be known. In my job, I helped give some of the best moments to people they will have for the remainder of their lives. That is something that I did not take for granted, and I must have you know that these moments are also the best moments I have ever had in my life!
I am asked often "was it you Barry at so and so?" "Barry are you in this photo?",etc. I do not answer such questions, for this reason: meeting Michael Jackson was a moment people will cheerish for the rest of their lives. Meeting Barry Shaw is just like meeting a new neighbor next door-- sure it may be exciting for a bit, but that wears off. I do not want to take away those special moments shared between Michael and his fans, even if it was with me and the fans, because if I do not tell, they will never know.
I just want to thank you all for your support... Truly. Thank you all for your support. I could never do this life without you all. I gave up having a family, I gave up having a self identity, I gave it all up proudly for you.
I love you all, please never forget that.
Barry J. Shaw
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Michael had doubles, they even talked about it on the news once. It was a collection of who had doubles etc. They said that he used them to thwart fans and media when he wanted privacy.
Barry might be fake but let's face it this in a correct and believable scenario. Michael would not allow a person to double for him, if there was anything immediate that a fan could pick up on. Michael was smart about his fans. He knew they would be tough to fool.
The questions about losing one's contact with family because being a double would make you isolated. Well, money can make you do a lot of things, but more than that, Michael could have chose him because he investigated his background and found that the family was estranged.
Here are some questions I would be asking to find out if Barry is telling the truth. He says he lived at Neverland, so..
Why were there no utterances about a double from (unless they kept completely apart and no one knew at home).
1) Anyone in the Jordie Chandler family.
2) Rabbi Schumley
3) The people who took him to court in 2003
Anybody else that you can think of that wouldn't care to tell if they had seen a double in the house?
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Michael would not allow a person to double for him, if there was anything immediate that a fan could pick up on. Michael was smart about his fans. He knew they would be tough to fool.
Oh please...he did do it for years and fooled everybody!
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Dont ya think realistically that this person claiming to be Barry Shaw is likely to be MJ that theory makes more sense to me. On his facebook page it says he did a webcam chat with 3 fans one of which posted a photo of Barry and although the pic is blurred he does look like MJ. I just think this is the perfect way to communicate with his fans and would not suprise me if the whole "barry" thing is part of the hoax but thats just me opinion ofcourse.
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Dont ya think realistically that this person claiming to be Barry Shaw is likely to be MJ that theory makes more sense to me. On his facebook page it says he did a webcam chat with 3 fans one of which posted a photo of Barry and although the pic is blurred he does look like MJ. I just think this is the perfect way to communicate with his fans and would not suprise me if the whole "barry" thing is part of the hoax but thats just me opinion ofcourse.
I don't if I missed something, but who is Barry or Larry Shaw?
When I type in Larry Shaw all I get is an old, white man or an older black man...when I type in Barry Shaw , all I get is an middle aged white man...but who is it?
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:shock: check out barry shaw on myspace basically hes sayng he wokred for mj for many years as his double ..i kinda think it could be michael testing the fans opinions
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damn i wish i had msn!!!!!
I hear you! I reopened my old account up just to talk to him! I saved the conversation I had with him to refer back to. I decided not to post the entire thing out of respect. But just in case I hear anything that contradicts what he said to me, I could have proof.
I haven't had a chance to speak to him since..this was a few days ago.. I don't think he gets on there too often because he is overloaded with messages.
FYI when hes online with Facebook hes openly communicating with fans, so if you can catch him on there that works too.
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damn i wish i had msn!!!!!
what´s the msn account??? i miss something??? :roll:
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Dont ya think realistically that this person claiming to be Barry Shaw is likely to be MJ that theory makes more sense to me. On his facebook page it says he did a webcam chat with 3 fans one of which posted a photo of Barry and although the pic is blurred he does look like MJ. I just think this is the perfect way to communicate with his fans and would not suprise me if the whole "barry" thing is part of the hoax but thats just me opinion ofcourse.
I thought the same if it is MJ himself... if the so-called king of pop is now perhaps "dead" and is currently MJ would not have to do tours and probably should not be more at peace because everyone thinks he is a fake... but still could be a connection with fans of "another person"... perhaps belongs to the plan, but just a thought.... but time will tell what happens...
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Dont ya think realistically that this person claiming to be Barry Shaw is likely to be MJ that theory makes more sense to me. On his facebook page it says he did a webcam chat with 3 fans one of which posted a photo of Barry and although the pic is blurred he does look like MJ. I just think this is the perfect way to communicate with his fans and would not suprise me if the whole "barry" thing is part of the hoax but thats just me opinion ofcourse.
I don't if I missed something, but who is Barry or Larry Shaw?
When I type in Larry Shaw all I get is an old, white man or an older black man...when I type in Barry Shaw , all I get is an middle aged white man...but who is it?
http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw (http://www.myspace.com/barryjshaw) check it out... :roll:
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Here are some questions her answered on Myspace if this helps everyone:
people have entertained the thought that this is michael testing the waters, i'm leaning more towards that.
I will agree with this.
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I think this picture is Michael.
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Michael would not allow a person to double for him, if there was anything immediate that a fan could pick up on. Michael was smart about his fans. He knew they would be tough to fool.
You think so?
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Michael would not allow a person to double for him, if there was anything immediate that a fan could pick up on. Michael was smart about his fans. He knew they would be tough to fool.
You think so?
Thing is... in the past would we have really had our beady eyes on Mike to the extent we do at the moment? We are currently scrutinizing every pic/video of him day in day out, sometimes down to the point we are counting every hair on his head lolol.....
Why would we have had reason to do this while Mike was alive? I am of the belief MJ DID use doubles and probably had more than one....... some that were used as decoys and didnt need to look much like him (could get away with sunglasses, facemask, and or scarf... However I do believe there has been many public appearances where it has been a double and not MJ - a true doppleganger/lookalike. However I often thought this many times before MJ'S alleged passing. He's a curious fella and as much as we like to think we know everything about him - we dont, I very much doubt even his closest family knew EVERYTHING about him.
So really what I am trying to say is..... in using a double in his living life..... people wouldnt be suspicious in the first place to contemplate the use of a double if you get what I mean.
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Dont ya think realistically that this person claiming to be Barry Shaw is likely to be MJ that theory makes more sense to me. On his facebook page it says he did a webcam chat with 3 fans one of which posted a photo of Barry and although the pic is blurred he does look like MJ. I just think this is the perfect way to communicate with his fans and would not suprise me if the whole "barry" thing is part of the hoax but thats just me opinion ofcourse.
Where can i find this webcam pic?
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here..... Looks fake IMO, and nothing like MJ lol. But then I think the actual screen shot has been tampered with with paint (the webcam pic bit) the eyes and mouth look like theres red and black pasted on them lol.
viewtopic.php?f=49&t=9827&start=50#p166785 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=9827&start=50#p166785)
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Barry Shaw's existence answers some questions and raises a few more. I don't doubt that this science project was possible but Barry raises some questions for me:
Barry's myspace page has responses to fans and another section where he responds to critics. Why bother? If they are critics of what he claims to have done, then his response isn't likely going to change their mind.
Barry claims to have had a myspace account created months ago yet his current myspace page clearly lists May 11, 2010 as the start date.
Why does Barry choose to reveal himself at all? What would he gain by doing this? If his claims are true then he was paid well and can live life as an MJ look-alike or go back under the knife to look like someone else.
Did anyone else notice the movie camera on Barry's hollywood star on the myspace page?
"I am a very strong perfectionist, and I do not look into mirrors unless I am about to go out and do a venue as Michael Jackson. I do not like the way that I look, and it somewhat angers me whenever I look into a mirror."
Barry looks like MJ so why would he be angry about that? Afterall many men would love to look like MJ and have women from all over the world screaming for them. Unless ...Barry has some embarrassing surgical scars that are hidden with make up. This reminds me of how Dick Gregory and LMP stated that MJ was never seen without make up.
Barry claims to have worked for MJ between 1991 - 2004. Did he get fired or did he just quit? If he was fired, that was risky for MJ since Barry held a huge secret that would have made the world stop spinning. If he quit, why did he do it suddenly in 2004 after spending years living the "good life"?
Who else knew about Barry? How did they manage the miraculous task of keeping their mouths shut? I still go back to an earlier thought regarding Barry's family and friends. Did he just drop off of the planet as far as they were concerned?
Did Barry at some point become demanding? Suppose MJ paid him 1 million per year but soon Barry raised the stakes and demanded 5 million for his special services? How could MJ have turned him down and maintain the secret?
Did Mj's people really do a good background check on Barry to reveal any skeletons that he may have had in his closet? Afterall he represented MJ and anything he said or did would reflect on MJ.
Why hasn't Barry posted pics of him and MJ? There must be some hidden somewhere.
Is Barry really MJ posing as Barry? Was the real MJ look alike bumped off when his services were no longer needed? Yes, I know...I have watched too many Godfather type movies. :lol:
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I think the photo could be real bare it in mind that it was taken on a mobile phone..i think its a real possibilty that Mj could be posing as Barry ...some of you may find it hard to believe but i think it makes sense.
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One of the 3 selected to view Barry on webcam snapped the picture, against Barrys request (Barry didnt want pictures taken), & posted it on Barrys facebook wall
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3054.jpg)
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3-2.jpg)
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I think the photo could be real bare it in mind that it was taken on a mobile phone..i think its a real possibilty that Mj could be posing as Barry ...some of you may find it hard to believe but i think it makes sense.
Im not dismissing anything, I actually believe there is some truth in Barry/MJ. All I dont think is right is the mess of that red lipstick..........I mean c'mon its smeared all over the face! If this guy is for real then surely being a "double" and as good as he says he is then surely MJ woulda taught him to apply make up better! lol. Not mocking anyone but my 83 year old gran with parkinsons applies lippy better than that :?
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"No distance, no negativity, nothing can keep you out of my heart. I pray that you remember this, no matter which way things turn over the next two years, you have been in my heart ever since the beginning."
I wonder what he's getting at here. "No matter which way things turn over the next two years."
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This may be the wrong thing to say but i fear if he is a fake that he is luring people.. Someone has stated to me that John Branca should be contacted regarding this matter just in case.. I was in contact with John Branca should something be said or not??? Just your opinions plz.....
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You raise a good point. If Barry is fake then he is one of the more creative ones to surface lately. He certainly has many of us wondering if he is MJ and testing the waters.
If Barry gets too friendly or starts inviting people for secret meetings then he should be reported immediately.
This may be the wrong thing to say but i fear if he is a fake that he is luring people.. Someone has stated to me that John Branca should be contacted regarding this matter just in case.. I was in contact with John Branca should something be said or not??? Just your opinions plz.....
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IMO i would say yes to the above question. Only for the reason being as you say he is luring a lot of attention. He is also disclosing very little infomation about himself which IMO is scary, I mean we dont know who this bloke is and if he is for real. For the sheer fact that he is luring alot of people then I would say yes something needs to be said - there are many out there who believe he could be the REAL MJ! However on the other hand we need to think if by contacting John Branca then would we be jeopardising ourselves in anyway - would this cause all hoax theory websites and stuff to be forced to close? I dunno. But I am sceptical and worried about his intentions.
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You raise a good point. If Barry is fake then he is one of the more creative ones to surface lately. He certainly has many of us wondering if he is MJ and testing the waters.
If Barry gets too friendly or starts inviting people for secret meetings then he should be reported immediately.
This may be the wrong thing to say but i fear if he is a fake that he is luring people.. Someone has stated to me that John Branca should be contacted regarding this matter just in case.. I was in contact with John Branca should something be said or not??? Just your opinions plz.....
Im just worried because what IF he is someone who lures people(not saying he is) but he wont show what he looks like.. His wording of stuff is weird and you know yourself i could say im simon cowell put my picture up as him and lure people.. believe me im not lol.. This internet is so dangerous and with people highly emotional over MJ it could be someones idea of a sick joke.. I'll hold out for a day or 2 and see if I can contact this Barry guy and see what he says before I think about bothering John Branca..
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Am I the only one who thinks that webcam pic is freaky?
It looks like a REALLY BAD mask. I sorry, but it creeps me out.
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Ive had a very very BAD thought here :( Im not sure I should post it as I worried about the comeback I will get. eeeek I need to say it but im scared :(
What if this Barry is genuine, and he was the one who was doing certain things.... the things MJ went to court for????
Is this why he mentions only working with MJ until 2004? OMG so shouldnt have said that out loud - sorry peeps. :? :cry: :?
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Yeah it reminded me off IT the clown in that horror movie.. Whats with the big red lips??? Picture could be easily photoshopped...
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One of the 3 selected to view Barry on webcam snapped the picture, against Barrys request (Barry didnt want pictures taken), & posted it on Barrys facebook wall
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3054.jpg)
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3-2.jpg)
He or she is on msn and he or she works with paint and he or she doesnt know how to make a screenshot? And uses a regular camera to make the shot?
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
(Im sorry but LMAO.)
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foreveryoung....I though that too so dont worry!!
Another thing I just thought of........which wierds me out. Based on the looks of that person in the webcam pic......MAYBE its DD posing as Barry Shaw posing as MJ? I mean the Sun article did just come out right? And now we have Barry Shaw who to me looks like DD dressed as MJ...
I know....back to my padded cell.
sorry if I offended.
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The guy must have a bad sight...the lipstick is everywhere :mrgreen:
( or a lousy job with paint..)
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foreveryoung....I though that too so dont worry!!
Another thing I just thought of........which wierds me out. Based on the looks of that person in the webcam pic......MAYBE its DD posing as Barry Shaw posing as MJ? I mean the Sun article did just come out right? And now we have Barry Shaw who to me looks like DD dressed as MJ...
I know....back to my padded cell.
sorry if I offended.
Phew.... :oops: i feel so much better now jacksonologist! Im glad I am not alone on that thought!!! And how odd....... I also contemplated the second part of your message....... about it possibly being DD! Great minds.... think alike huh?
if you sit away from the pc screen and squint a little to make the face go blurry, you can see the nose is not straight... much like DD's lol ....
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According to Barry, he lived at Neverland Ranch when he worked for MJ. Does anyone know if Barry has slipped up or intentionally dropped any hints about where he lives now and whether he lives alone? I know ...I know...I keep going back to friends and family. That is the main complex thing that makes me question Barry, his story and motives behind surfacing at this time.
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Has the talkative bodyguard confirmed anything? Anyone ask him?
My main fear with this is that: 1. He looks like a scary clown version of MJ 2. He could be a killer 3. He could lure some desperate fan to meet him. Assuring them they will be in the "know" and hurt them. This really needs to be watched more carefully by all. It's a little disturbing. The whole line about him not photographing himself and not liking to look in mirrors is suspicious enough. Prove who you are and get it over with. If it's ok to talk now and then it's ok to bring on the pictures.
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Ok here is what id question so from 1996-2009 thats 13 years.. This guy done normal things also like date etc what would you say to your date oh yeah dont mind that i look like MJ thats cause im his body double.. Surely someone would tell the media straight off or word would get out..
This guy is creepy looking in his web picture, his nose is massive and the end of his face seems fairly wide to me also whats with the lips.. This is photoshopped it has to be.. Waiting to see if he comes online 2 get some info off him if he sound fishy im contacting John Branca cause he looks to creepy...
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(http://hphotos-sjc1.fbcdn.net/hs152.snc3/17939_101189813246731_100000671392058_35786_5629341_n.jpg)
SPARE ME, FOR HEAVENS SAKE :roll:
You can even see the vetiligo on the hands
Yep,
this pic certainly looks like the "real MJ" to me!!!!
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OKay guys...... Barry Shaw has just become friends with a FRANK TYSON on facebook. Frank Tyson is one of the aliases MJ allegedly used to get prescriptions for meds!?!?!?!
snippet from wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ja ... appearance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson's_health_and_appearance)
A police warrant issued following Jackson's death against his attending physician, Conrad Murray, stated that Jackson's many doctors had used nineteen distinct aliases, such as "Omar Arnold," "Josephine Baker," "Fernand Diaz," "Paul Farance," "Peter Madonie," "Faheem Muhammad," "Roselyn Muhammad," "Blanca Nicholas," "Jimmy Nicholas," "Bryan Singleton," and "Frank Tyson"
This Frank Tyson has MJ as profile pic and MJ related friends etc... Also member of "mj hoax evidence"
Just thought the name was quite relevant in all this so mentioned it lol.
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Sorry but i am getting a bit excited here lol.
I have just been looking on that frank tyson page i mentioned from facebook and clicked a link (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/ (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/)) has any of this been posted on here before??? I apologise sincerely if it has been - i must have missed it...... how very odd - who is mr carousel? Whats his involvement?
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Barry Shaw is a liar.
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ALMOST A YEAR ...
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SO MANY THINGS....
WE DID SAY THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN....
WHAT IF... (AND HERE I GO AGAIN! SORRY)
WHAT IF THIS IS MICHAEL JACKSON AND THE BODY DOUBLE WHO LOOKS A LOT LIKE HIM, IN HIS WORD 99% LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON WAS WHO DIED? SIMPLE LIKE THAT!
WE ARE SAYING HERE THAT IF SOME DAY MICHAEL COME BACK ALL THE WORLD WILL SAY THAT IS NOT MICHAEL JACKSON, MAYBE A DOUBLE... AND WITH THE RANDY TWEETS THAT SAY THAT MICHAEL DON´T HAVE A VOICE ANYMORE I THINK THAT MAYBE HE NEVER SING AGAIN, AND THIS PERSON IS SAYING THAT HE DON´T SING??? WHO KNOWS!!!??? :roll:
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Sorry but i am getting a bit excited here lol.
I have just been looking on that frank tyson page i mentioned from facebook and clicked a link (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/ (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/)) has any of this been posted on here before??? I apologise sincerely if it has been - i must have missed it...... how very odd - who is mr carousel? Whats his involvement?
WTF? :o
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Sorry but i am getting a bit excited here lol.
I have just been looking on that frank tyson page i mentioned from facebook and clicked a link (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/ (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/)) has any of this been posted on here before??? I apologise sincerely if it has been - i must have missed it...... how very odd - who is mr carousel? Whats his involvement?
WTF? :o
WTF indeedy!!!! My chin still on the floor lol..... I have to feed the baby but as soon as he in bed i will be on here for the rest of the darn night - this is freaaakkkkkyyyy!
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Sorry but i am getting a bit excited here lol.
I have just been looking on that frank tyson page i mentioned from facebook and clicked a link (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/ (http://franktyson.wordpress.com/)) has any of this been posted on here before??? I apologise sincerely if it has been - i must have missed it...... how very odd - who is mr carousel? Whats his involvement?
WTF? :o
I dont know whats with the Mr Carousel but the number puzzle translates to "it will be easier to find my twitter now".
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If you click the other link on the "frank tyson" facebook page - it takes you to another facebook page member so called "jack london"
http://www.facebook.com/the.unofficial.1 (http://www.facebook.com/the.unofficial.1)
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-Carous ... 9082300..1 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-Carousel-Appreciation-Society/104388122930219?ref=search&sid=1074867116.4169082300..1)
Both accounts are the same guy..... cant add as a friend.... he has another facebook page called mr carousel appreciation society.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-Carous ... 9082300..1 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mr-Carousel-Appreciation-Society/104388122930219?ref=search&sid=1074867116.4169082300..1)
I am begining to wonder if this is not the infamous JCC "joke calms china" dude We had dealings with before?
I am dumbfounded tho by what he was getting at in the first link I gave you about being in london and being asked for an autograph cos someone thought he was someone he isnt?!?!?! :?
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(http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/turd.jpg)
Thats what it smells like..
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"Late last year a new mystery appeared in the form of Mr Carousel.
Some people believed he was Michael Jackson whilst others sent him hate mail daily but all you need to know is that he is the creator of this group!
This is the only way I can communicate to you all instantly and check to see how many of you actually appreciate my mysteries.
Mission:To confuse you."
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LOL love the pic! Yes I believe it is b.s too none the less was exciting for a few moments in time lol........ ive since found this twitter page is linked to them too and I think it is highly likey it is JCC the anagram geezer who i remember from the old old boards.
http://twitter.com/67_22768735 (http://twitter.com/67_22768735)
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:lol: Are you saying that Barry Shaw is B.S.? :lol:
(http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/turd.jpg)
Thats what it smells like..
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Just found this post on .net:
here is the pic this Barry Shaw person used as his own in the webcam thingy.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2pza5ix.jpg)
(thanks to Leah-Kim)
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Karly Louise Scott THIS IS THE PICTURE BARRY USED ON THE WEB CAM TO FOOL YOU ALL. BARRY IS A FAKE HE WAS NEVER MJS DOUBLE EVER. HIS REAL NAME IS JOHN HARRISON A WELL KNOWN MJ HATER HE ALSO HAS A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT HIS USERNAME IS MEGADUKE!! MEGADUKE IS COINCIDENTALLY THE YOUTUBE USER WHO HAS MADE ALL OF THE BARRY SHAW VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND ...THEN POSTED THEM HERE HAHAHA COS THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. THE PEOPLE ON WEB CAM WERE ALSO FAKE, BARRY USED THIS PICTURE OF CHRISTOPHER GASPER (well known mj impersonater) BUT EDITED IT WITH AN APPLICATION ON HIS IPHONE. to look a little different!!!!
BARRY SHAW/ MEGADUKE/JOHN HARRISON YOU HAVE BEEN BUSTED ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS COME FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS !!!! NOW STOP FOOLING MJ FANS AND GET A LIFE OR A JOB!!!!!
SORRY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVED HIM BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THERE IS ONLY 1 PERSON WHO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL AND THAT IS MICHAEL!!!!
TO THE FANS WITH L.O.V.E XXXXXX
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BAM.. Barry has been officially.... busted. :lol:
Just found this post on .net:
here is the pic this Barry Shaw person used as his own in the webcam thingy.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2pza5ix.jpg)
(thanks to Leah-Kim)
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Karly Louise Scott THIS IS THE PICTURE BARRY USED ON THE WEB CAM TO FOOL YOU ALL. BARRY IS A FAKE HE WAS NEVER MJS DOUBLE EVER. HIS REAL NAME IS JOHN HARRISON A WELL KNOWN MJ HATER HE ALSO HAS A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT HIS USERNAME IS MEGADUKE!! MEGADUKE IS COINCIDENTALLY THE YOUTUBE USER WHO HAS MADE ALL OF THE BARRY SHAW VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND ...THEN POSTED THEM HERE HAHAHA COS THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. THE PEOPLE ON WEB CAM WERE ALSO FAKE, BARRY USED THIS PICTURE OF CHRISTOPHER GASPER (well known mj impersonater) BUT EDITED IT WITH AN APPLICATION ON HIS IPHONE. to look a little different!!!!
BARRY SHAW/ MEGADUKE/JOHN HARRISON YOU HAVE BEEN BUSTED ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS COME FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS !!!! NOW STOP FOOLING MJ FANS AND GET A LIFE OR A JOB!!!!!
SORRY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVED HIM BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THERE IS ONLY 1 PERSON WHO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL AND THAT IS MICHAEL!!!!
TO THE FANS WITH L.O.V.E XXXXXX
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Ok guys i have contacted John Branca just now waiting reply & a family member regarding this dude for many reasons... He is creeping on MJ fans and alot of Mj fans are highly emotional & believing that he is speaking for MJ... He is not the real MJ nor is he MJ double and that is from a family source i have contacts as im n the music business and i made calls.. He is being looked into but please dont fall into this guys trap i repeat HE IS NOT MJ DOUBLE, HE IS A WEIRDO SITTING ON A COMPUTER PROB LURING MJ FANS...
Also be note that no mention of this website has been stated his profiles were all that was given...
He is simply using MJ pictures and using photoshop on them xx
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Just curious...
What do your contacts in the music business think about the hoax?
Ok guys i have contacted John Branca just now waiting reply & a family member regarding this dude for many reasons... He is creeping on MJ fans and alot of Mj fans are highly emotional & believing that he is speaking for MJ... He is not the real MJ nor is he MJ double and that is from a family source i have contacts as im n the music business and i made calls.. He is being looked into but please dont fall into this guys trap i repeat HE IS NOT MJ DOUBLE, HE IS A WEIRDO SITTING ON A COMPUTER PROB LURING MJ FANS...
Also be note that no mention of this website has been stated his profiles were all that was given...
He is simply using MJ pictures and using photoshop on them xx
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Just curious...
What do your contacts in the music business think about the hoax?
Ok guys i have contacted John Branca just now waiting reply & a family member regarding this dude for many reasons... He is creeping on MJ fans and alot of Mj fans are highly emotional & believing that he is speaking for MJ... He is not the real MJ nor is he MJ double and that is from a family source i have contacts as im n the music business and i made calls.. He is being looked into but please dont fall into this guys trap i repeat HE IS NOT MJ DOUBLE, HE IS A WEIRDO SITTING ON A COMPUTER PROB LURING MJ FANS...
Also be note that no mention of this website has been stated his profiles were all that was given...
He is simply using MJ pictures and using photoshop on them xx
And after that you take a screenshot with a digicam..LMAO :mrgreen:
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To be honest I dont discuss it with them, Im a music manager from Ireland who worked in California for 4 years and the CEO of the label I work for is friends with one of the family members.. I dont discuss MJ death etc with them.. My opinion i believe he is going to come back i always did since the memorial as for there opinion thats theres.. xx
Just curious...
What do your contacts in the music business think about the hoax?
Ok guys i have contacted John Branca just now waiting reply & a family member regarding this dude for many reasons... He is creeping on MJ fans and alot of Mj fans are highly emotional & believing that he is speaking for MJ... He is not the real MJ nor is he MJ double and that is from a family source i have contacts as im n the music business and i made calls.. He is being looked into but please dont fall into this guys trap i repeat HE IS NOT MJ DOUBLE, HE IS A WEIRDO SITTING ON A COMPUTER PROB LURING MJ FANS...
Also be note that no mention of this website has been stated his profiles were all that was given...
He is simply using MJ pictures and using photoshop on them xx
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I respect your stance.
I was just looking at another possible resource as we investigate the hoax.
To be honest I dont discuss it with them, Im a music manager from Ireland who worked in California for 4 years and the CEO of the label I work for is friends with one of the family members.. I dont discuss MJ death etc with them.. My opinion i believe he is going to come back i always did since the memorial as for there opinion thats theres.. xx
Just curious...
What do your contacts in the music business think about the hoax?
Ok guys i have contacted John Branca just now waiting reply & a family member regarding this dude for many reasons... He is creeping on MJ fans and alot of Mj fans are highly emotional & believing that he is speaking for MJ... He is not the real MJ nor is he MJ double and that is from a family source i have contacts as im n the music business and i made calls.. He is being looked into but please dont fall into this guys trap i repeat HE IS NOT MJ DOUBLE, HE IS A WEIRDO SITTING ON A COMPUTER PROB LURING MJ FANS...
Also be note that no mention of this website has been stated his profiles were all that was given...
He is simply using MJ pictures and using photoshop on them xx
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I know believe me Im hoping with everythin I have that its all a hoax and he comes back xx
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:lol: Are you saying that Barry Shaw is B.S.? :lol:
http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/turd.jpg (http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/turd.jpg)
Thats what it smells like..
:lol: :lol: :lol: B.S. :lol: :lol: :lol: right!!!
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Barry Shaw is BS :lol:
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Michael would not allow a person to double for him, if there was anything immediate that a fan could pick up on. Michael was smart about his fans. He knew they would be tough to fool.
You think so?
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contribut ... 064695/bio (http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800064695/bio)
Kenny Ortega admits a stunt double in Bucharest Film
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Just found this post on .net:
here is the pic this Barry Shaw person used as his own in the webcam thingy.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2pza5ix.jpg)
(thanks to Leah-Kim)
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Karly Louise Scott THIS IS THE PICTURE BARRY USED ON THE WEB CAM TO FOOL YOU ALL. BARRY IS A FAKE HE WAS NEVER MJS DOUBLE EVER. HIS REAL NAME IS JOHN HARRISON A WELL KNOWN MJ HATER HE ALSO HAS A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT HIS USERNAME IS MEGADUKE!! MEGADUKE IS COINCIDENTALLY THE YOUTUBE USER WHO HAS MADE ALL OF THE BARRY SHAW VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND ...THEN POSTED THEM HERE HAHAHA COS THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. THE PEOPLE ON WEB CAM WERE ALSO FAKE, BARRY USED THIS PICTURE OF CHRISTOPHER GASPER (well known mj impersonater) BUT EDITED IT WITH AN APPLICATION ON HIS IPHONE. to look a little different!!!!
BARRY SHAW/ MEGADUKE/JOHN HARRISON YOU HAVE BEEN BUSTED ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS COME FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS !!!! NOW STOP FOOLING MJ FANS AND GET A LIFE OR A JOB!!!!!
SORRY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVED HIM BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THERE IS ONLY 1 PERSON WHO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL AND THAT IS MICHAEL!!!!
TO THE FANS WITH L.O.V.E XXXXXX
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Ohh ok so it's all over. :D
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Good to know we've finally gotten to the truth. This was exhausting. I really didn't want to feel I'd been in love with the wrong guy all this time :? Because I am absolutely in love with the 2005 trial Michael. I simply adore him. Glad to hear the news 8-)
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from the www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com (http://www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com) website, there is a pic of barry shaw and he dont look anything like mj
http://www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.co ... d-crew.php (http://www.thetrialsofmichaeljackson.com/cast-and-crew.php)
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Just found this post on .net:
here is the pic this Barry Shaw person used as his own in the webcam thingy.
(http://i48.tinypic.com/2pza5ix.jpg)
(thanks to Leah-Kim)
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Karly Louise Scott THIS IS THE PICTURE BARRY USED ON THE WEB CAM TO FOOL YOU ALL. BARRY IS A FAKE HE WAS NEVER MJS DOUBLE EVER. HIS REAL NAME IS JOHN HARRISON A WELL KNOWN MJ HATER HE ALSO HAS A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT HIS USERNAME IS MEGADUKE!! MEGADUKE IS COINCIDENTALLY THE YOUTUBE USER WHO HAS MADE ALL OF THE BARRY SHAW VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND ...THEN POSTED THEM HERE HAHAHA COS THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. THE PEOPLE ON WEB CAM WERE ALSO FAKE, BARRY USED THIS PICTURE OF CHRISTOPHER GASPER (well known mj impersonater) BUT EDITED IT WITH AN APPLICATION ON HIS IPHONE. to look a little different!!!!
BARRY SHAW/ MEGADUKE/JOHN HARRISON YOU HAVE BEEN BUSTED ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS COME FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS !!!! NOW STOP FOOLING MJ FANS AND GET A LIFE OR A JOB!!!!!
SORRY FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVED HIM BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THERE IS ONLY 1 PERSON WHO LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL AND THAT IS MICHAEL!!!!
TO THE FANS WITH L.O.V.E XXXXXX
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Is this the same chappie in another photo posted on the forum? Is he claiming to be MJ in the Who Is It short film? :shock: He does not look anything like MJ to me at all. Wow, this is very heavy. :?
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Someone posted asking if the bodyguards had anything to say. Yes, yes they did. I found their response BIZARRE, personally.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2guz8uo.png)
@Darkchild, it's E'Casanova that was in the Who Is It video. This guy is Christopher Gaspar. He's a nice guy, seems to have no ulterior motives.
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Someone posted asking if the bodyguards had anything to say. Yes, yes they did. I found their response BIZARRE, personally.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2guz8uo.png)
Thanks for getting that information. I had asked earlier. Good to know ! :)
@Darkchild, it's E'Casanova that was in the Who Is It video. This guy is Christopher Gaspar. He's a nice guy, seems to have no ulterior motives.
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Someone posted asking if the bodyguards had anything to say. Yes, yes they did. I found their response BIZARRE, personally.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2guz8uo.png)
@Darkchild, it's E'Casanova that was in the Who Is It video. This guy is Christopher Gaspar. He's a nice guy, seems to have no ulterior motives.
This is all indeed so odd- and no offense, but I can't help but think that that tiny-sized web cam pic someone put earlier of this guy is pretty creepy-looking..his nose doesn't look like Michael's and he looks a little..eerie-er than him..
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This is all indeed so odd- and no offense, but I can't help but think that that tiny-sized web cam pic someone put earlier of this guy is pretty creepy-looking..his nose doesn't look like Michael's and he looks a little..eerie-er than him..
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It's definitely photo-shopped IMO.
Either that or he went crazy.
:lol:
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I've been wanting to post this for a while.
I think #5 is really Michael, because he has the same nose as Scream Michael, and I'm sure Janet would know it was a double. Either it was a double and Janet knew about it, or he really is Michael.
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latest on barry shaws facebook................
Barry Shaw Again the lies pour out. Fact: I am not John Harrison. Fact: I do not know if he is an MJ hater or not. Fact: I chose all selectees randomly. Fact: I believe its sad since they were not able to break me, they now try to break those who support me. Fact: I love all my supporters!
3 hours ago7 people like this.
Leticia M. J. Love ;) L.O.V.E. Stay positive! "We Don't Feed it!!"
3 hours ago
Claudia Gonzales Berrospi I will support u all my life from the bottom of my heart Barry!!
3 hours ago
Eunice Le Blanc I just dont know what to think anymore!
3 hours ago
Leticia M. J. Love "Lo.V.E. is whats important I want to bring Love back into the world!"
3 hours ago
Tarra Vandegrift I Love You Wholeheartedly!
2 hours ago
Maksty Rail thanks god u r not john hahaha
2 hours ago
Jill Mattox Taraz FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE!!! Random, my a**. John Harrison was not random, and you posted a picture of Christopher Gaspar, not you!! Better watch it when the family gets to you....they don't take kindly to posers.
about an hour ago
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He is using doubles for at least two decades !! Maybe he used in the trials too... !
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6923/trial2005x.jpg)
(http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/forumpics/5.jpg)
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mjbusterdion thanks for your effort in finding the truth.
So I guess we should concentrate on the real hoax now. :!: :D :D
Barry Shaw..........debunked. :P :P :P
Some people need to "get a life" and stop destroying others lives. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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One of the 3 selected to view Barry on webcam snapped the picture, against Barrys request (Barry didnt want pictures taken), & posted it on Barrys facebook wall
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3054.jpg)
(http://i917.photobucket.com/albums/ad16/summerwine11/MJ/32120_1257385165509_1556012533_3-2.jpg)
that dude is not whio he claimed to be....his nose is not as mj'snose or"official double's" nose his lips are quite differents!!!! his chin is quite different tooo!!! we are not nuts!!!!
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Ok guys this is the exact email i got sent back regarding this guy.. Please note that I have blanked out names for privacy reasons..
From:
Sent: 19 May 2010 21:41-05:00
To: Lisa Marie
Subject: Barry J Shaw
Dear Lisa,
Thank you for informing us regarding the subject above. I have been in contact with Michael's family member regarding Barry J Shaw. I have been informed that the person who has set up these sites is not Michael Jackson's body double nor has he permission to speak on behalf of Michael Jackson or his family. Since Michael's death there has been alot of people trying to take advantage of Michael Jackson's legacy and his fans. Please inform people that BARRY J SHAW IS AN IMPOSTER WHO HAS USED PICTURES OF MICHAEL JACKSON THAT ARE IN FACT 100% MICHAEL JACKSON, HE HAS ALSO ALTERED VARIOUS PICTURES TO MAKE THEM LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. Michael Jackson and only Michael Jackson appeared in "Santa Barbara Court in 2005" and at the "World Music Awards in London". We are currently informing the network sites to put a stop to this nonsense and we are monitoring them very closely.
Again I stress Please under no circumstances give any personal details to this person. He is not Michael Jackson's body double.
Best wishes,
S
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No prob glad i could help xxxx L.O.V.E xxx
mjbusterdion thanks for your effort in finding the truth.
So I guess we should concentrate on the real hoax now. :!: :D :D
Barry Shaw..........debunked. :P :P :P
Some people need to "get a life" and stop detroying others. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Sorry but it's all real Michael for me. I don't see any differences except nose. But photos depend on lights, etc.
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I just watched the myspace profile pic of Barry Shaw and there was a comment for a picture of o2 MJ.
18. Mai 2010 20:39
great pic, but i think Earnest is right.. Im not a great fan of all doubles in generall, but we know for example who is Earnest Valentino and how does he look like..what about you? i read your blog message about not taking pics of real you.. but to me its only an excuse...show us please real "Barry" , not "Barry being MJ" or whatever.. God bless you..Best regards L.G.
i think it's an interestng comment and yeah,maybe you're all right....maybe it is really him...pretending to be an imposter or however I should call that. Testing us ..
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FINALLY, a response from CG. He is referring to the "webcam picture" John Harrison posted and Barry said repeatedly was HIM, HIMSELF.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/xbn3if.png)
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FINALLY, a response from CG. He is referring to the "webcam picture" John Harrison posted and Barry said repeatedly was HIM, HIMSELF.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/xbn3if.png)
So, is it maybe Michael using his pictures? It makes me more and more think, that Barry Shaw could be Michael testin us, like some others said
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FINALLY, a response from CG. He is referring to the "webcam picture" John Harrison posted and Barry said repeatedly was HIM, HIMSELF.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/xbn3if.png)
So, is it maybe Michael using his pictures? It makes me more and more think, that Barry Shaw could be Michael testin us, like some others said
i think that too... but who knows?! :roll:
Barry J. Shaw
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I always thought - and don't kill me for this - that the double / twin / Joseph in the first place got in trouble, NOT Mike. I assumed that Mike had to go through the trials in order to not blow his possibilities to disappear from the public eye into nirvana.
IMHO he had only a choice to prove in court he had done nothing wrong or to say "it was not me but my double" which would have meant a public harakiri.
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I always thought - and don't kill me for this - that the double / twin / Joseph in the first place got in trouble, NOT Mike. I assumed that Mike had to go through the trials in order to not blow his possibilities to disappear from the public eye into nirvana.
IMHO he had only a choice to prove in court he had done nothing wrong or to say "it was not me but my double" which would have meant a public harakiri.
No, we have digged up so much on both cases, no one did anything because the prosecution didn't have anything at all. There was no case so it's not possible that the double did something.
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What about activities with adults? Could there be some females around the world who assumed that they spent a night of bliss with MJ when it was actually someone else? Likewise, are there some children somewhere who believe that MJ is their father because their mothers assumed that there had been a night of bliss with a child being produced as a result. Let me emphasize that I don't ask these questions to get into a steamy discussion. I just find it tough to wrap my brain around an adult man spending years without any human contact of the intimate variety.There was probably a confidentiality agreement and Barry or whoever was paid well but ...c'mon...
I always thought - and don't kill me for this - that the double / twin / Joseph in the first place got in trouble, NOT Mike. I assumed that Mike had to go through the trials in order to not blow his possibilities to disappear from the public eye into nirvana.
IMHO he had only a choice to prove in court he had done nothing wrong or to say "it was not me but my double" which would have meant a public harakiri.
No, we have digged up so much on both cases, no one did anything because the prosecution didn't have anything at all. There was no case so it's not possible that the double did something.
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What about activities with adults? Could there be some females around the world who assumed that they spent a night of bliss with MJ when it was actually someone else? Likewise, are there some children somewhere who believe that MJ is their father because their mothers assumed that there had been a night of bliss with a child being produced as a result. Let me emphasize that I don't ask these questions to get into a steamy discussion. I just find it tough to wrap my brain around an adult man spending years without any human contact of the intimate variety.There was probably a confidentiality agreement and Barry or whoever was paid well but ...c'mon...
Very possible.
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Maybe Michael wants everyone to make everyone believe there is someone out there that looks exactly like him, where we can't even see a difference. This may be his way of being able to go out in the public later. There has been no one close enough for him to have that ability.
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support Michael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support MIchael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
Yeah, that definitely doesn't sound like MJ's nature; rather the very OPPOSITE of his nature.
This "Barry Shaw" guy who was on Facebook was a highly questionable character, seemingly. :?: :?: :ugeek:
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support MIchael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
Yeah, that definitely doesn't sound like MJ's nature; rather the very OPPOSITE of his nature.
This "Barry Shaw" guy who was on Facebook was a highly questionable character, seemingly. :?: :?: :ugeek:
Now he's telling us that Michael wanted to be a member of the Heaven's Gate church. :roll:
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support MIchael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
Yeah, that definitely doesn't sound like MJ's nature; rather the very OPPOSITE of his nature.
This "Barry Shaw" guy who was on Facebook was a highly questionable character, seemingly. :?: :?: :ugeek:
Now he's telling us that Michael wanted to be a member of the Heaven's Gate church. :roll:
Oh woww!!! Heaven's Gate... Unbelievable! *smh* LOLz! :shock: :shock: :? :lol: :roll:
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This is not a true gauge for anything, but every time I see a True picture of MJ I feel calm. I am looking, admiring, appreciating, etc
When I opened the page for the web-cam pic of ol' "Barry" I got instantly spooked. Tried to look again at it when someone had it pasted in their message, and again just :? spooked. I could not look for more than a few seconds.
MJ, never did that to me, even in pics where he was having a bad hair day, lol.
What that means to me, oh hell I don't know, maybe it's just 6 a.m and I haven't slept yet.lol
I do go ?huh? when people can wholeheartedly accept that MJ could pull of a massive-elaborate-intricate-brilliant hoax BUTTTT not have a few body doubles back him up and go unseen.lol (and I seesaw on my own BD's opinion too)
Peace & Respect All !
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This is not a true gauge for anything, but every time I see a True picture of MJ I feel calm. I am looking, admiring, appreciating, etc
When I opened the page for the web-cam pic of ol' "Barry" I got instantly spooked. Tried to look again at it when someone had it pasted in their message, and again just :? spooked. I could not look for more than a few seconds.
MJ, never did that to me, even in pics where he was having a bad hair day, lol.
What that means to me, oh hell I don't know, maybe it's just 6 a.m and I haven't slept yet.lol
I do go ?huh? when people can wholeheartedly accept that MJ could pull of a massive-elaborate-intricate-brilliant hoax BUTTTT not have a few body doubles back him up and go unseen.lol (and I seesaw on my own BD's opinion too)
Peace & Respect All !
I don't have a problem believing in doubles, but I have a big problem believing they'd behave as "Barry Shaw" is behaving, especially if Michael is being the puppet master.
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Now he's telling us that Michael wanted to be a member of the Heaven's Gate church. :roll:
I just read that post and felt very uncomfortable, it feels like propaganda...
Heaven's Gate (religious group)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The logo used by the Heaven's Gate group
Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religion based in San Diego, California, founded and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1928-1985). [1] On March 26, 1997, in a period that Comet Hale-Bopp was at its brightest [2], police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had committed suicide. [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group))
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Now he's telling us that Michael wanted to be a member of the Heaven's Gate church. :roll:
I just read that post and felt very uncomfortable, it feels like propaganda...
Heaven's Gate (religious group)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The logo used by the Heaven's Gate group
Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religion based in San Diego, California, founded and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1928-1985). [1] On March 26, 1997, in a period that Comet Hale-Bopp was at its brightest [2], police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had committed suicide. [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group))
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I just read the Wiki page and I'm still shocked.... :shock:
Yes, it's propaganda...
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Now he's telling us that Michael wanted to be a member of the Heaven's Gate church. :roll:
I just read that post and felt very uncomfortable, it feels like propaganda...
Heaven's Gate (religious group)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The logo used by the Heaven's Gate group
Heaven's Gate was an American UFO religion based in San Diego, California, founded and led by Marshall Applewhite (1931–1997) and Bonnie Nettles (1928-1985). [1] On March 26, 1997, in a period that Comet Hale-Bopp was at its brightest [2], police discovered the bodies of 39 members of the group, who had committed suicide. [3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group))
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That's exactly how I felt about it :?
He's gonna get impressionable people to believe in this kinda thing with lies that Michael did. They'd be willing to join just because they thought Michael liked the idea.
Creeps me out in a serious way. I always reported his facebooks but never his myspace until this. This was too much for me.
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same here.....
Sorry, but I think this post is really dangerous....there are teenagers out there....
Not only Heaven's gate is weird itself, but it's also related to Scientology...... :?
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This is also weird http://www.clonaid.com/page.php?18 (http://www.clonaid.com/page.php?18) part of the Raelian Movement..
http://rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php (http://rael.org/rael_content/rael_summary.php)
( as far as i know they dont kill themselves, they only mess with dna/cloning) :geek:
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Oh, and check the Heaven's Gate - Uri Geller connection.... :?
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Oh, and check the Heaven's Gate - Uri Geller connection.... :?
The American ‘paranormal' spoon-bender Uri Geller, known from TV entertainment shows in The Netherlands and elsewhere, told on CNN television that he might have been among the Heaven's Gate dead. The cult had asked him to join. However, Geller said, though he believed in flying saucers like them, he did not join. He said he did not like the idea of giving up all his earthly possessions to Heaven's Gate leader Marshall Herff Applewhite upon joining.
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keep supporting him with the blue Invincible :mrgreen:
/ironic
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support Michael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
I totally agree with you. Michael would never ever do that. I don't know why lots of people thought that he could be Michael or the double he says he is . When I started to read his posts, I got that he could be no way Michael! And those pictures he shares belong to Michael (most of them). As long as we keep on interested with this guy, he will keep on spreading his lies. We should ignore him. And we should warn MJ fans about this guy. He could be someone dangerous. :?
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support Michael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
I totally agree with you. Michael would never ever do that. I don't know why lots of people thought that he could be Michael or the double he says he is . When I started to read his posts, I got that he could be no way Michael! And those pictures he shares belong to Michael (most of them). As long as we keep on interested with this guy, he will keep on spreading his lies. We should ignore him. And we should warn MJ fans about this guy. He could be someone dangerous. :?
I'm glad we keep getting him kicked off facebook! Now we gotta unite to get his myspace suspended. Not just because he's spreading hate but now the cult thing that he's spreading. People can be highly impressionable and he's gonna get people involved in things they don't understand, just because he says Michael was into it. :?
He creeps me out.
Oh ugh when I reported his myspace, they wrote back and said they can't get rid of someone based on "opinions". Like, what? Dude is crazy as a loon, it's FACT!!!
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support Michael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
I totally agree with you. Michael would never ever do that. I don't know why lots of people thought that he could be Michael or the double he says he is . When I started to read his posts, I got that he could be no way Michael! And those pictures he shares belong to Michael (most of them). As long as we keep on interested with this guy, he will keep on spreading his lies. We should ignore him. And we should warn MJ fans about this guy. He could be someone dangerous. :?
I'm glad we keep getting him kicked off facebook! Now we gotta unite to get his myspace suspended. Not just because he's spreading hate but now the cult thing that he's spreading. People can be highly impressionable and he's gonna get people involved in things they don't understand, just because he says Michael was into it. :?
He creeps me out.
Oh ugh when I reported his myspace, they wrote back and said they can't get rid of someone based on "opinions". Like, what? Dude is crazy as a loon, it's FACT!!!
Ohh wow! Is his FB closed now? I have never followed that guy, so I have no idea. That's great if he's no more on FB.
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The funny thing for me is that if this is Michael testing us, then he is spreading utter hatred for Michael Kiss and Christopher Gaspar for no reason. Two guys who actually support Michael and his message.
So I guess I don't quite get the logic of why he'd do that... someone wanna enlighten me? He's also sent me hateful words. But I no longer have the proof since his original facebook account was suspended.
I really just don't get the hate on MK and CG. Why would Michael do that or condone it?
I totally agree with you. Michael would never ever do that. I don't know why lots of people thought that he could be Michael or the double he says he is . When I started to read his posts, I got that he could be no way Michael! And those pictures he shares belong to Michael (most of them). As long as we keep on interested with this guy, he will keep on spreading his lies. We should ignore him. And we should warn MJ fans about this guy. He could be someone dangerous. :?
I'm glad we keep getting him kicked off facebook! Now we gotta unite to get his myspace suspended. Not just because he's spreading hate but now the cult thing that he's spreading. People can be highly impressionable and he's gonna get people involved in things they don't understand, just because he says Michael was into it. :?
He creeps me out.
Oh ugh when I reported his myspace, they wrote back and said they can't get rid of someone based on "opinions". Like, what? Dude is crazy as a loon, it's FACT!!!
Ohh wow! Is his FB closed now? I have never followed that guy, so I have no idea. That's great if he's no more on FB.
Haha yep we got the original one suspended about a week ago. He made a new one about 2 days ago and we already got that one suspended too :) The first one being suspended is why he's spreading hate against Michael Kiss. :roll:
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Haha yep we got the original one suspended about a week ago. He made a new one about 2 days ago and we already got that one suspended too :) The first one being suspended is why he's spreading hate against Michael Kiss. :roll:
Maybe he's a Michael Kiss hater lol :lol: Ohh that's great. Hope we can do the same on Myspace too :D Maybe it depends on how many reports his page gets. So we should all report his page and maybe it works. :)
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OMG jacilovesmichael whats that performance from w mj in ur signature! I am like oober distracted and i cant read ANYTHING on this subject becuz its soooo distracting!! :D
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Does anyone remember at the very beginning when Larry King was interviewing Cher?
Do you remember when Cher said that she saw him at a party or something and someone said to her " watch him because in the future he is drasticaly going to change his appearance" or something along those lines.
Does anyone remember that? Maybe this person was stating that his lookks were going to change for a reason or a "double " reason? Maybe that was the beginning of changes in order to add a double and to make them look as alike as possible. Anything these days with this Hoax seems possible.
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Real MJ double @ 3.30-->Earnest Valentino[/color]
[youtube:3dm05q7a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6cWCg3MT1E[/youtube:3dm05q7a]
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The commentator was making me laugh, the way he was talking. :lol: :lol:
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That is Michael at the Santa Maria court house during his 2005 trial. Not doubt about it.
Yep i agree
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I just went through the entire thread and allthough the nose does look swollen, the rest of the face, to me, is the same. So, I think there was another reason for the nose to look different on that picture than a double.Maybe MJ put darker make up on the sides of his nose to have it look slimmer or maybe he had a treatment which caused a swelling of the nose. To have the exact same eyes,cheeks and mouths at the same time is rather difficult. If, for safety reasons, they have let enter a double through the main entrance and MJ via the backdoor, that seems legit to me.
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Does anyone remember at the very beginning when Larry King was interviewing Cher?
Do you remember when Cher said that she saw him at a party or something and someone said to her " watch him because in the future he is drasticaly going to change his appearance" or something along those lines.
Does anyone remember that? Maybe this person was stating that his lookks were going to change for a reason or a "double " reason? Maybe that was the beginning of changes in order to add a double and to make them look as alike as possible. Anything these days with this Hoax seems possible.
I remember something like that, I recall that had something to do with the color of his skin as well, but I'm not sure. Is there footage of Cher saying that?
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Does anyone remember at the very beginning when Larry King was interviewing Cher?
Do you remember when Cher said that she saw him at a party or something and someone said to her " watch him because in the future he is drasticaly going to change his appearance" or something along those lines.
Does anyone remember that? Maybe this person was stating that his lookks were going to change for a reason or a "double " reason? Maybe that was the beginning of changes in order to add a double and to make them look as alike as possible. Anything these days with this Hoax seems possible.
I remember something like that, I recall that had something to do with the color of his skin as well, but I'm not sure. Is there footage of Cher saying that?
It was on LKL. Here is the interview when she says it.
[youtube:2qq9p6ma]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDxWqD4vm5E[/youtube:2qq9p6ma]
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Much earlier there was discussion on plastic surgeons and the ease
of altering appearances. We find one that says "I even did a Michael Jackson.." or something to that effect.
Does anyone remember that? Well, now THAT weblink is also disabled or error.
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Followers of BARRY SHAW I must post thisfounf via a MJDH forum:
THIS IS THE PICTURE BARRY USED ON THE WEB CAM TO FOOL YOU ALL. BARRY IS A
FAKE HE WAS NEVER MJS DOUBLE EVER. HIS REAL NAME IS JOHN HARRISON A
WELL KNOWN MJ HATER HE ALSO HAS A YOUTUBE ACCOUNT HIS USERNAME IS
MEGADUKE!! MEGADUKE IS COINCIDENTALLY THE YOUTUBE... USER WHO HAS MADE ALL
OF THE BARRY SHAW VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE AND ...THEN POSTED THEM HERE HAHAHA
COS THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. THE PEOPLE ON WEB CAM WERE ALSO FAKE,
BARRY USED THIS PICTURE OF CHRISTOPHER GASPER (well known mj
impersonater) BUT EDITED IT WITH AN APPLICATION ON HIS IPHONE. to look a
little different!!!!
BARRY SHAW/ MEGADUKE/JOHN HARRISON YOU HAVE
BEEN BUSTED ALL OF THESE ACCOUNTS COME FROM THE SAME IP ADDRESS !!!! NOW
STOP FOOLING MJ FANS AND GET A LIFE OR A JOB!!!!!
SORRY FOR THOSE
WHO BELIEVED HIM BUT YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY THERE IS ONLY 1 PERSON WHO
LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE MICHAEL AND THAT IS MICHAEL!!!!
TO THE FANS WITH
L.O.V.E XXXXXX
(not my words - i'm only speading them)