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I may be one of these posters that you're referring to. I'm cool with it and I can laugh at myself. :lol: 8-) I am one who must ask and question... again. My worst nightmare is to wake up one day years from now and find myself sitting in the same predicament as those Elvis Presley fans. The thought of it just sends chills and I don't mean the good ones either. :lol: Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"Sometimes I can't believe some of these posters are actually on a HOAX site! :lol: :lol: The DEAL was made with MICHAEL! Michael is ALIVE! He signed the deal in 2008! It was 2008 when he contacted Frank DiLeo about making a movie...the kind of movie that had never been done before! Then he announced a concert tour which he had no time to put together and for dates that were impossible to play because of previously planned and sold tickets by other artists! The promo picture released in May of 2009 was for a MOVIE, not a concert! You know, the picture of Michael standing with Kenny Ortega behind the MOVIE CAMERA??Of course, the story says the deal was made with the executors...he is suppose to still be dead, so shhhhh...... :lol: :lol: I'm not trying to be over-bearing but puhhhh....llllease! This is a HOAX SITE! We are here because WE KNOW MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND HE IS THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN! And just as Kenny promised, piece by piece by piece, MJ is being revealed! The articles say it was a 7 year contract. A 7 year contract. And that it had a two year extension taking it to 2017...that means it was signed in 2008! These are the last two lines from the article....And we're told Sony gets a two-year extension for the right to distribute the Michael Jackson catalog -- to 2017. :mrgreen:
Sometimes I can't believe some of these posters are actually on a HOAX site! :lol: :lol: The DEAL was made with MICHAEL! Michael is ALIVE! He signed the deal in 2008! It was 2008 when he contacted Frank DiLeo about making a movie...the kind of movie that had never been done before! Then he announced a concert tour which he had no time to put together and for dates that were impossible to play because of previously planned and sold tickets by other artists! The promo picture released in May of 2009 was for a MOVIE, not a concert! You know, the picture of Michael standing with Kenny Ortega behind the MOVIE CAMERA??Of course, the story says the deal was made with the executors...he is suppose to still be dead, so shhhhh...... :lol: :lol: I'm not trying to be over-bearing but puhhhh....llllease! This is a HOAX SITE! We are here because WE KNOW MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND HE IS THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN! And just as Kenny promised, piece by piece by piece, MJ is being revealed! The articles say it was a 7 year contract. A 7 year contract. And that it had a two year extension taking it to 2017...that means it was signed in 2008! These are the last two lines from the article....And we're told Sony gets a two-year extension for the right to distribute the Michael Jackson catalog -- to 2017. :mrgreen:
OK, thought about it some more. The deal is not for games, merchandise etc. and one article states:QuoteIn striking the deal, Sony is betting that the appetite for Mr. Jackson's music will prove more than just a spike generated by his unexpected death and the ensuing round-the-clock coverage. A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then.So if I am correct, Sony pays 250 million bucks for songs they already could release the upcoming 5 years.... Meaning they will pay 250 million to have those rights for only 2 more years?So they will pay 125 million for 2016 and 125 million for 2017. And they think they will make profit on that by then? I don't think so and I also don't think Sony is that stupid.Something is off. This sounds like a bogus deal to me, if it is really just for the music.Thoughts anyone?
In striking the deal, Sony is betting that the appetite for Mr. Jackson's music will prove more than just a spike generated by his unexpected death and the ensuing round-the-clock coverage. A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then.
Quote from: "~Souza~"OK, thought about it some more. The deal is not for games, merchandise etc. and one article states:QuoteIn striking the deal, Sony is betting that the appetite for Mr. Jackson's music will prove more than just a spike generated by his unexpected death and the ensuing round-the-clock coverage. A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then.So if I am correct, Sony pays 250 million bucks for songs they already could release the upcoming 5 years.... Meaning they will pay 250 million to have those rights for only 2 more years?So they will pay 125 million for 2016 and 125 million for 2017. And they think they will make profit on that by then? I don't think so and I also don't think Sony is that stupid.Something is off. This sounds like a bogus deal to me, if it is really just for the music.Thoughts anyone?What would be the point of bogus?
that's true... but hey the thought is entertaining for a while and we aren't hurting anybodyQuote from: "GirlSaturday"I may be one of these posters that you're referring to. I'm cool with it and I can laugh at myself. :lol: 8-) I am one who must ask and question... again. My worst nightmare is to wake up one day years from now and find myself sitting in the same predicament as those Elvis Presley fans. The thought of it just sends chills and I don't mean the good ones either. :lol: Quote from: "lovemj4everandever"Sometimes I can't believe some of these posters are actually on a HOAX site! :lol: :lol: The DEAL was made with MICHAEL! Michael is ALIVE! He signed the deal in 2008! It was 2008 when he contacted Frank DiLeo about making a movie...the kind of movie that had never been done before! Then he announced a concert tour which he had no time to put together and for dates that were impossible to play because of previously planned and sold tickets by other artists! The promo picture released in May of 2009 was for a MOVIE, not a concert! You know, the picture of Michael standing with Kenny Ortega behind the MOVIE CAMERA??Of course, the story says the deal was made with the executors...he is suppose to still be dead, so shhhhh...... :lol: :lol: I'm not trying to be over-bearing but puhhhh....llllease! This is a HOAX SITE! We are here because WE KNOW MICHAEL IS ALIVE AND HE IS THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN! And just as Kenny promised, piece by piece by piece, MJ is being revealed! The articles say it was a 7 year contract. A 7 year contract. And that it had a two year extension taking it to 2017...that means it was signed in 2008! These are the last two lines from the article....And we're told Sony gets a two-year extension for the right to distribute the Michael Jackson catalog -- to 2017. :mrgreen:
Quote from: "~Souza~"OK, thought about it some more. The deal is not for games, merchandise etc. and one article states:QuoteIn striking the deal, Sony is betting that the appetite for Mr. Jackson's music will prove more than just a spike generated by his unexpected death and the ensuing round-the-clock coverage. A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then.So if I am correct, Sony pays 250 million bucks for songs they already could release the upcoming 5 years.... Meaning they will pay 250 million to have those rights for only 2 more years?So they will pay 125 million for 2016 and 125 million for 2017. And they think they will make profit on that by then? I don't think so and I also don't think Sony is that stupid.Something is off. This sounds like a bogus deal to me, if it is really just for the music.Thoughts anyone?My thoughts would be that it included the motion picture This Is It, the 2-disc CD for "This Is It", the DVD for "This Is It", and probably a tour of some kind or residency in Las Vegas, a globally broadcast TV special, three new albums, a compilation of some sort, and maybe another Motion Picture called the "Death of Me!" That would make 10 projects! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
The advances being paid by Sony are to be offset by sales of albums as well as revenue generated by licensing Mr. Jackson's music for uses like videogames, movies and theatrical performances. But unlike the megadeals struck in recent years by concert promoter Live Nation Entertainment Inc. with pop stars Jay-Z and Madonna, the Jackson deal doesn't give Sony income from other parts of the late singer's business, such as merchandise sales or fees for licensing his name and likeness.
And what is this: The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then. Since when? 2009, 2015, 2017? He's 'dead' .... record what and how?
A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then.
credit Wall Street Journal. I didn't want to start a new thread even though this gives more detail for the record deal. By ETHAN SMITH Months after his death, Michael Jackson set a music-industry record, thanks to a deal between his estate and Sony Corp. valued at as much as $250 million, according to people familiar with the terms. .The deal—touted by both Sony and Mr. Jackson's estate as the most lucrative recording contract ever— guarantees the estate at least $200 million. With 10 albums over seven years, the deal will involve a mix of previously unreleased songs and new packages of familiar ones. The dollar amount is especially striking against the backdrop of the music industry as a whole, in which U.S. album sales have plunged 52% in a decade. Superstar deals worth tens of millions of dollars per album were rare even at the peak of the CD-sales boom in the late 1990s. Yet it also underscores that the biggest acts are becoming even more essential to record labels, as individual fans purchase fewer albums each year. Sony has sold an estimated 31 million Jackson albums since his death..Since Mr. Jackson's death on June 25, Sony has sold an estimated 31 million of his albums globally. By the first anniversary of his death, his estate expects to have earned $250 million from sales of music, merchandise and tickets to the posthumous concert film "This Is It." The advances being paid by Sony are to be offset by sales of albums as well as revenue generated by licensing Mr. Jackson's music for uses like videogames, movies and theatrical performances. But unlike the megadeals struck in recent years by concert promoter Live Nation Entertainment Inc. with pop stars Jay-Z and Madonna, the Jackson deal doesn't give Sony income from other parts of the late singer's business, such as merchandise sales or fees for licensing his name and likeness.In an interview, Rob Stringer, chairman of Sony Music Entertainment's Columbia/Epic Label Group, said that his company was confident it would more than recoup its hefty investment, which he characterized as more than just a record deal."We see it as a partnership," Mr. Stringer said.The deal should give Mr. Jackson's heirs plenty of breathing room with respect to the crushing debt load he had built up in his final years. With his album sales dwindling and concert touring ground to a halt, Mr. Jackson borrowed heavily to finance his lavish lifestyle..The estate is likely to pay off about $125 million in debt by the end of this year, including $35 million owed to AEG Live, the promoter that was to stage a series of concerts by Mr. Jackson in London. The estate is likely to refinance another $325 million backed by Mr. Jackson's two biggest assets: Sony/ATV Music Publishing, his venture with Sony that owns copyrights to 251 Beatles songs; and his 2,600-acre Neverland Valley Ranch outside Santa Barbara, Calif. A $300 million loan backed by Sony/ATV and held by Barclays PLC matures at the end of the year, and before Mr. Jackson's death it loomed as a major financial challenge. In striking the deal, Sony is betting that the appetite for Mr. Jackson's music will prove more than just a spike generated by his unexpected death and the ensuing round-the-clock coverage. A record contract struck in the early 1980s gave Mr. Jackson ownership of his recordings. Sony had the right to distribute those recordings through 2015. The new deal extends that right until 2017, and adds the rights to material recorded since then. The new deal, like the one from the 1980s, was negotiated by John Branca, Mr. Jackson's long-time lawyer and now an administrator of the estate.The deal retroactively covers the soundtrack album to "This Is It," plus a range of other releases, some of which have been mapped out, with others to be determined later. An album of previously unreleased songs is likely to hit stores before the end of this year, and another collection is due out later. The deal is also likely to cover expanded reissues of Mr. Jackson's albums "Off the Wall" and "Bad," as well as collections of remixes. A DVD of all of Mr. Jackson's music videos is likely to be created at some point. Speculation has circulated that Cirque du Soleil would create a Las Vegas show based on Mr. Jackson's music, as it already has done with Beatles' music. If it does, a soundtrack album of some kind would likely be part of the deal. The estate could probably wipe out the debts entirely by selling its half of Sony/ATV, although such a drastic step is viewed as unlikely now that Mr. Jackson's posthumous business is generating so much cash. Mr. Jackson acquired ATV for $47.5 million in 1985. Sony in 1995 paid $150 million to become a 50% partner in the venture. Mr. Jackson's half is now valued at at least $1 billion.
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