"Michael Wouldn't Do This To His Fans" Explanations?

[Jos]

Perhaps MJ didn't do it to, or for, his fans - perhaps he thought they'd all catch on immediately! Perhaps it was for the rest of us, like me, who weren't fans, but were sitting on the sidelines waiting to be 'collected'!

Why would I, who wasn't a fan, who just liked MJ's music and along with the rest of the world, was somewhat intriqued by him; why would I, who unemotionally accepted he was dead for the first six months, albeit with strange vibes, which actually had started with the O2 announcement, of things not being quite right; why would I get inexplicably drawn to find out more about him, to spend hours, whole days and nights sometimes, watching videos, listening to songs, speeches and interviews, reading his lyrics, poetry and writings; why would I then, having decided this was a man who had deserved more than my previous fleeting, shallow interest, and being overwhelmed by how the whole scenario was just plain WRONG, why would I get the huge emotional thing hit me like a ton of bricks - nights of crying, not a few gentle tears, but overwhelming, body wrenching sobbing, helped along by those damn TINI testimonials.

Why would I go from that, believing him horribly dead ... via the 'could he possibly be alive?' idea .... and the 'he's more likely to be alive than dead' thoughts .... to the (happy) place I'm in now?!

Was it a case of clutching at anything that was better than that all-encompassing feeling of complete desolation? I don't think so. It felt like a natural progression.

Was it, as someone once wrote to me, that over the years, MJ had perfected the art of arousing people's curiosity about him (possibly with hindsight, with the express purpose of attracting people to his future hoax?) and I was simply displaying a natural response to that?

Curiosity --> receptiveness to 'odd' things --> desire to learn more --> emotional attachment --> receptiveness to even 'odder' things -->  somewhere near the truth, aka cloud cuckoo land!

I don't know - and I often wonder what was the trigger, why I didn't stay with everyone else in the comfortable circle of family, friends and the wider world.  But I'm glad I didn't!

I recognize your story so very good 



To go back to the main question of this topic, I have to say that sometimes I do feel like a chosen one...
I really enjoy every possibility I have to explain why I feel that MJ isn't dead.

I had a hard time convincing my mother, but after some weeks of hard work  she's now reading allmost everyday on this website.
My wife, is just tired of me....  She believes that this whole suposed death is strange, but every time there is a song of MJ on the tv or radio, she looks a bit angry at me saying  She says since I have told her about the hoax, every day she hear or see something of MJ//

My sister is an absolute non-believer and indeed is saying that he wouldn't do that to his fans.
My response is plain simple "he did". For what reason exactly I / we don't know and we have to wait and see for an explaination, if he will give one.

besides my family I also told it to other people.
By far the funniest moment was just a few weeks ago when 2 JW's were at the door.
They asked me if I believe in God  ("yes") and if I went to church of read the bible.

For the first time in my life, I let them into my house and told them that I, thanks to TS, indeed was reading the bible more often now.
When they asked me who TS was,....... yeah I had to try and explain right 
I feel one of them was really interested in my story, so I gave her the URL of this forum so she could read for herself. Don't know if she did though.
At the end of my story to them, they were a bit "flabbergasted" a didn't even try to speak to me about the biblical story anymore.
They only had some questions about my story and I did my very best to answer them.


So I guess when you want to talk about it with your family or friends, just try. And if they have questions of critical opinions, just try to answer or let them read for themselves.  :bearhug:

[bec]

That's a great story, Jos.

[MJonmind]

Jos, yeah for your mom!  If you're reading--Hi!  And your wife has got to stop fighting it and just give in...  :Michael_Jackson_dancing_smile
Those poor JW's... :icon_lol:

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[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

Very good job Jos, I am proud of you we all should try to spread Michael's hoax I am actually trying hard to convert non beLIEvers into beLIEvers although it's being a really hard work.

[Jos]

Yeah but it is fun right 

@MJonmind  My mom says HI!  Love the song Give in To me!

[Shamone Jackson]

Yes, Michael is very sweet but he could do whatever he wants to do.  Jim Yukich, the guy that directed the "Liberian Girl" video said this about Michael:


“To this day, I’ve been – I guess not so much anymore, because years have gone by — but I was convinced when he died that he didn’t die. We made that video, and he said to me, ‘I would love to be hiding and see what people say about me, you know?’ I mean, having shot all that footage and then he died? It was just kind of weird.”
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Michael said this...what, back in the late 80's?  Well imo, as he got older, he just expanded on that "Liberian Girl" video. 

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

What TS posts is straight Fromm the bible. They wouldn't have been puzzled at the content.
Perhaps the messager, re: who where how.  :confused:


But TS' perplexing to anyone, I am sure. JW or not  :icon_razz:

[hesouttamylife]

@jos - love your story.  :beerchug:  Doesn’t it feel like a tiny weight is lifted when you are able to convince even one person to change?  I have 3 people so far who were at one time been on the other side of the hoax but came around to at least having reasonable doubt.  That took some work, but it paid off for me in that now I can finally talk to someone who doesn’t think I’m completely crazy when saying I believe Michael did not die on June 25th 2009.  Only one of them is completely convinced, but the other two are gaining ground as they read, read, read from this library of information I have gathered over the years.  Haven’t convinced them to get online with us yet, but hey, who knows, maybe soon.  Time and patience.

Thanks jos for sharing!

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

Quite accurate.

[everlastinglove_MJ]

So Michael wouldn't do what to his fans?
 
Give them the thrill of a lifetime? 
Give them the opportunity to better themselves through hard study and reading? 
Give them the opportunity to see the mainstream media for the the bloodsuckers they are?
Give them the opportunity to broaden their horizons beyond his gold pants?  (sorry Gina...nothin' but love..)
Give them the opportunity to seek the truth of his life?
Give them the opportunity to finally give respect to the world's greatest entertainment family?
Give them the opportunity to find a deeper meaning to life and appreciate what we are given? 

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

:th_bravo: my thoughts too!!

@Jos, I can relate to your story about your efforts to convince others about the hoax (that your mom is reading here is just great! :icon_e_smile:). I can't say I'm trying to convince others around me, but more to get their attention to this forum, to get them interested to read, see beyond and investigate. I know that some do read here which is already a beginning

LOVE always

[bec]

I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

That's an excellent post, Sunnie. Bravo.

[Adore]

I don't believe in the his life was in danger theory it doesn't coincide with anything and notice he has been saying that for years now ,that people were out to get him but he used this as the plot to do this ,many people had stated how Murray is the fall guy that he didn't really do it and its a Conspiracy. It's an excuse to move on with the big picture , you get wrapped up in his passing,memorial,funeral,revelations, the homicide trial that you don't pay attention to the obvious .Believers or well realists are here for the truth they see through the lines while everyone else (fans) are just mourning. Mj has prepared us for this if you really payed attention.he didn't say short films for a petty purpose. They are actually films that you have to dissect and take notice to what he is trying to convey ,that's why some short films go along with the hoax it's not a coincidence. He is basically testing us to see if we pay attention and is making sure we are getting the message.The entire experience since the beginning (whenever he planned this hoax)has been like a rehearsal but now it's Showtime! Some fans wallow in self doubt and don't think logically, I've seen a majority of them ignore the rational truth and speculate, get worked up over lies. It's quite upsetting. So yeah some people just chose to ignore it and use the same excuse "he wouldn't do that"!  NewsFlash you don't know him and you have no idea what is capable of doing . How do they have the gull of saying that?!Pretty hypocritical if you ask me , judging much. That's why I refuse to express my opinion when it comes to new "information"or the estate and his family because its planted. I'm stating this from experience I almost fell for it 2 years ago than I started researching and it made sense. You can't blame MJ for believing in everything, even when he admonished you to avoid it, that's a decision they made.

I agree with everything you wrote, and especially with the bolded part. Great post !  :th_bravo:

[hesouttamylife]

[Australian MJ BeLIEver]

Just my two cents for what it's worth. I vote "not in danger" agree with you all there. Esp the part about leaving clues of hoax if he were in real danger. Aside the fact of leaving hoax clues doesn't make sense if you are in danger, but also the 'danger' theory doesn't match and is not cohesive with the fact we know this hoax or at least preparations for it started in Bad era. It was a long term plan. Not a reactive effort to save his life...

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

Brilliant. Esp the part about new pathways in entertainment  :bowdown:


Also just wanted to add the following comment on the subject of this thread...

People who don't believe strongly or at all obviously aren't looking / following.

When you see a scary movie, are you then angry at the film maker because you got scared? If you cry after hearing beautiful music do you hate the singer? All good entertainment causes you to feel something and escape to that place that the story teller is trying to create for you. For someone to be upset by MJ and this 'new pathway' to entertainment, as it were put, they would be seeing this from selfish angle.

Who are we to say he wouldn't do this to his fans? Do we presume to know him and judge what is ethically wrong and right for him to decide. We aren't him and didn't have to live in his shoes.


I honestly believe that he NEVER intended to do the TII shows. He could have, but instead he chose a ground breaking platform and the "hoax" as the 'show' to give us. He is working on a new platform, smarter instead of harder with new innovative ways... Why be offended at that? Its the same thing. Its all entertainment (with valuable spiritual and humanitarian lessons to boot)

So I agree, "He wouldn't do this to his fans" doesn't really apply. It's void. In fact he 'did' do this for his fans. But unfortunately only a fraction of his fans metaphorically bought tickets (or paid attention)

They miss out. And to boot have no right to say "MJ wouldn't do this..."

The "fan" types that idolize MJ and put him on a pedastool as God and most mainstream consumers just can't see it. They are typically the ones who say "MJ would never do this" They love the KOP never got to understand the real MJ or respect the other things he stands for, innovation, spirituality, games, ground breaking entertainment and pioneering change (dance / music / movies / ARG / Concepts / platforms, etc)

In fact the hoax is the most creative expression of art in history. I feel privileged to be here.

[diggyon]

Just my two cents for what it's worth. I vote "not in danger" agree with you all there. Esp the part about leaving clues of hoax if he were in real danger. Aside the fact of leaving hoax clues doesn't make sense if you are in danger, but also the 'danger' theory doesn't match and is not cohesive with the fact we know this hoax or at least preparations for it started in Bad era. It was a long term plan. Not a reactive effort to save his life...

I just don't understand that whole "he wouldn't do this to his fans" thing.  He always strived to make new
pathways in entertainment.  He broke barriers and shattered records all his life.  I clearly don't have all the
answers to Michael's hoax.  But, what I do have is an understanding that he didn't do this to his fans,
he did it for his fans.

Blessings Always

Brilliant. Esp the part about new pathways in entertainment  :bowdown:


Also just wanted to add the following comment on the subject of this thread...

People who don't believe strongly or at all obviously aren't looking / following.

When you see a scary movie, are you then angry at the film maker because you got scared? If you cry after hearing beautiful music do you hate the singer? All good entertainment causes you to feel something and escape to that place that the story teller is trying to create for you. For someone to be upset by MJ and this 'new pathway' to entertainment, as it were put, they would be seeing this from selfish angle.

Who are we to say he wouldn't do this to his fans? Do we presume to know him and judge what is ethically wrong and right for him to decide. We aren't him and didn't have to live in his shoes.


I honestly believe that he NEVER intended to do the TII shows. He could have, but instead he chose a ground breaking platform and the "hoax" as the 'show' to give us. He is working on a new platform, smarter instead of harder with new innovative ways... Why be offended at that? Its the same thing. Its all entertainment (with valuable spiritual and humanitarian lessons to boot)

So I agree, "He wouldn't do this to his fans" doesn't really apply. It's void. In fact he 'did' do this for his fans. But unfortunately only a fraction of his fans metaphorically bought tickets (or paid attention)

They miss out. And to boot have no right to say "MJ wouldn't do this..."

The "fan" types that idolize MJ and put him on a pedastool as God and most mainstream consumers just can't see it. They are typically the ones who say "MJ would never do this" They love the KOP never got to understand the real MJ or respect the other things he stands for, innovation, spirituality, games, ground breaking entertainment and pioneering change (dance / music / movies / ARG / Concepts / platforms, etc)

In fact the hoax is the most creative expression of art in history. I feel privileged to be here.

Perfectly said, Aussie! Couldn't agree more! Adding to that: not all of us here are MJ-fans! So I guess it's time for most of MJ's fans to take their "pink" glasses off and to have a look at the real world of this "artist" and how he really is and forget his "pants and gloves" for some time.