Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Latest News => Michael Jackson News => Topic started by: *Mo* on May 09, 2010, 06:02:10 AM
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Jacko Kids Fear
Chaos at gran's could get Michael Jackson's kids put in care
By James Desborough, 09/05/2010
Pop icon Michael Jackson's three children could be taken into care amid claims they're living in CHAOS with grandma Katherine.
The 79-year-old mother of Jacko - who died last June - helps care for five other grandchildren at her LA home.
But authorities told her to move them and their mum Alejandra Oaziaza out after complaints that one of her brood had been seen brandishing a 300,000- volt stun gun and another had slapped his brother in the face.
Child welfare officials advised Katherine to take action a month ago because there were too many threats to "a stable life" for Jacko's kids Prince, 12, Paris, 11, and Blanket, seven.
But Alejandra and her family are still there and there are fears ALL the children may now be taken into care.
Alejandra had Genevieve, 20, and Randy Jnr, 17, by Randy Jackson, 48, and when they split she fell for his brother Jermaine, 55. They had two sons, Jaafar, 13, and Jermajesty, nine, and adopted Donte, 11.
They have all lived with Katherine for ten years and she is loath to move them out, especially as Paris is so close to Alejandra she calls her mum. A family insider said: "These are really tense and frightening times. With eight kids in one place it's a burden for Katherine.
"Officers asked for the numbers to be reduced, but nothing has happened. It's just a few days before they check back, and they have enough grounds to take all the youngsters into care.
"It's a nightmare and we are terrified of the next step."
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz ... -care.html (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/808170/Michael-Jacksons-kids-could-be-taken-into-care.html)
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This is News of the World.. BUT i really think those children are lost and they wont be staying with the Jacksons for long.
My God., this makes me feel really bad.
Also this: especially as Paris is so close to Alejandra she calls her mum WHAT?? After only ten months??
How confusing can life get for those kids??
I think care is a bit extreme... if anything they will go back to Debbie i think.
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What? It's not TMZ. Not sure if I believe it or not.
Strange that this appears after the webcam videos are leaked.
But at the same time, isn't this part of the plan, if Michael is going to re-appear, it better be soon. Katherine was only given temporary custody, and if the will is fake,
then none of this is valid anyhow.
Michael will reclaim his children on the 25th June 2010 !!!! He would never let them go into care. Katherine has many helpers, she is not alone. Just how many nannies and chefs and drivers are there anyhow??
She raised 9 of her own children. It's not like she is breastfeeding or changing nappies???
What a load of garbage. As always, with L.O.V.E xoxo
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She raised 9 of her own children. It's not like she is breastfeeding or changing nappies???
She is 80 years old now. Not a young woman and out of touch with youth of today. She is a grandma, not a mother.
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Katherine was only given temporary custody
No, not according to this article:
Jacko's Kids Get Booked
Originally posted Aug 3rd 2009 11:30 AM PDT by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's sons Michael Jr. (in red) and Prince Michael (in blue) and their entourage were spotted going to an L.A. bookstore this weekend.
(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/08/03/0803_jackson_kids_90802w10_jackson_b-gr_02_bauer_exc-1.jpg)
On Monday, a judge named Katherine Jackson permanent guardian of all three of Michael's children.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/03/jackos-kids-get-booked/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/03/jackos-kids-get-booked/)
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"Officers asked for the numbers to be reduced, but nothing has happened. It's just a few days before they check back, and they have enough grounds to take all the youngsters into care.
Why isnt Katherine doing this if this is what has been asked??? Why isnt Jermaine stepping in and taking responsibility for his kids and this mess??
Im shaking my head.. i wonder what day this will happen. A few days.. so next week then.
I really think that Michaels kids will be leaving.
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We all speculated months ago that things would come to this and the children would be "officially" removed from Katherine's care. It is a nice systematic way of handing them over to MJ without causing too many questions. In the end it will all work out.....just you see!
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We all speculated months ago that things would come to this and the children would be "officially" removed from Katherine's care. It is a nice systematic way of handing them over to MJ without causing too many questions. In the end it will all work out.....just you see!
Yes. I thought the exact same thing.
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all part of the plan...........xxxx
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come on guys it is very unlikely that these children would be removed into the care system, what foster or care home
to even consider this as a truth is remarkable.
there are plenty of responsible adults, nannies, home tutors, cooks, housekeepers, family members and i think it is just lip service.
guys dont believe this it is rubbish and is just wasting your life
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Yes. Once again the media is trying to create some drama,
out of nothing, to sell more. We shouldn't believe everything we read.
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Yes. Once again the media is trying to create some drama,
out of nothing, to sell more. We shouldn't believe everything we read.
of course we don"t really know what micheal would say but i'll take a stab at it.
why are the media focusing so much on these kid's when there are many children living in truely bad situations all over the world ,even here in america.
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Yes. Once again the media is trying to create some drama,
out of nothing, to sell more. We shouldn't believe everything we read.
of course we don"t really know what micheal would say but i'll take a stab at it.
why are the media focusing so much on these kid's when there are many children living in truely bad situations all over the world ,even here in america.
Because it doesn't sell, and that's all that matters to them.
They aren't all about caring and loving, they just want the money.
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Because it doesn't sell, and that's all that matters to them.
They aren't all about caring and loving, they just want the money.
Sometimes i feel that what you just wrote could be attributed to the Jackson family too. :cry:
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i think that there is enough to keep social service busy then having a nice day out visiting the jackson house.
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This could be a move (with some excuses though) towards getting them finally out of country and out of spotlight.
There are more places in the world where paparazzi have no right of existence than those where they rule how much persons are getting humiliated by their permanent chase.
Let's hope there is finally a safe haven with open arms for them.
For VIPs, there is always a need to find a balance of being in the spotlight / making $$$ in coop with yellow press and staying out of this business.
Who knows how much spotlight somebody still wants on them for which purposes.
It is not my taste to sell children to media. It is not necessary to keep them in spotlight for their later whatsoever public career. The name does it and will always do it alone.
That's my personal view on this permanent whoopla with the kids since June.
There are very successful stars that don't allow ANY paparazzi near them and fight in court for their rights if necessary. And it works. Fame does not need media. There are just two paths. Who lives in L.A. has chosen one. It is a question of the place of living and the cultural habits there.
I always wondered why MJ had chosen to return. There was no need and he knew that he, the family and the kids would be targetted again without any mercy.
Nailing himself on a lover's cross in public for all to see, the kids included?
One early tweet last year got stuck in my memory: "my dad is a hero."
It was a twitter account claiming to belong to Prince.
I did not believe this but the sentence got stuck, especially because everybody was still mourning at that time.
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Okay it's time for me to step up for Michael...
I am amazed by that not one of you here think it's disgracefull that they still writes Jacko... That should be the first thing an investigator should notice...
Furthermore someone here writes "all part of the plan...........xxxx..
Come on.. Really???? No it's not a part of any plan.. We are talking about children and elderly people here... No one is perfect not even a Jackson.. But i'm sure Katherine does all she can for the children.. Leave it..
This is insane... Let me remind you of one of your own threads
" Let us respect MJ
I think now will be a very good time to actually show him the respect he needs....
I do and i'm proud of it..
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you link does not work - please repost
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Okay it's time for me to step up for Michael...
I am amazed by that not one of you here think it's disgracefull that they still writes Jacko... That should be the first thing an investigator should notice...
Furthermore someone here writes "all part of the plan...........xxxx..
Come on.. Really???? No it's not a part of any plan.. We are talking about children and elderly people here... No one is perfect not even a Jackson.. But i'm sure Katherine does all she can for the children.. Leave it..
This is insane... Let me remind you of one of your own threads
viewtopic.php?f=57&t=9515
I think now will be a very good time to actually show him the respect he needs....
I do and i'm proud of it..
I didn't see any disrespect here -- just different opinions,
which is something everybody is allowed to have.
Regarding that they still call him Jacko,
yes, it's awful, but it wasn't what the thread was about and
that's why, at least I didn't say anything about it. (Don't know why the others didn't mention it)
Most of the people in here do respect Michael, and for you to imply anything else feels unneccessary.
You are not the only one with respect and love for him or his family. But that I'm sure you know. :)
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I completely trust Mother Kate, whatever she decides to do, should be fine with everyone. Remember MJ knew she would take care of his kids so I believe they are in good hands.
As for the other kids in the home, hopefully, Randy and Jermaine will step up and do the right thing and try to do what is best for their kids.
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I completely trust Mother Kate, whatever she decides to do, should be fine with everyone. Remember MJ knew she would take care of his kids so I believe they are in good hands.
As for the other kids in the home, hopefully, Randy and Jermaine will step up and do the right thing and try to do what is best for their kids.
second that
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I completely trust Mother Kate, whatever she decides to do, should be fine with everyone. Remember MJ knew she would take care of his kids so I believe they are in good hands.
As for the other kids in the home, hopefully, Randy and Jermaine will step up and do the right thing and try to do what is best for their kids.
Yes, true.
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You are all going to kill me for this one...
but where was Katherine when Michael was being physically beaten and emotionally abused by Joe?
Why is she all of a sudden a perfect mother and good role model for the grandkids??
Just wanted to throw that one out there for you all.....
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You are all going to kill me for this one...
but where was Katherine when Michael was being physically beaten and emotionally abused by Joe?
Why is she all of a sudden a perfect mother and good role model for the grandkids??
Just wanted to throw that one out there for you all.....
no your right, i was just talking to someone about that and you see that on the jacksons an american dream the cleaned up version of their lives
its true but in the event of death who would you leave your children too, he must have thought their was no one else and that is true - who else could he trust
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You are all going to kill me for this one...
but where was Katherine when Michael was being physically beaten and emotionally abused by Joe?
Why is she all of a sudden a perfect mother and good role model for the grandkids??
Just wanted to throw that one out there for you all.....
Well let me be the lucky one to answer that...
Michael actually had a privatelife (thank God for that) and what happend behind the gates no one knows.. Just because he was the greatest entertainer in the world doesn't mean he had to share everything with the fans or other....
I personally think it's disrespectful to discuss him and his family matters.. I'm sure the Jackson was there when Mike needed them...
Katherine is a perfect mother to all her children just like the mom's here...
I would hate if strange people talked about you and your children the way people here talks about them.. Wouldn't you???
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we are not perfect - no one is
and pp comment on your ability to parent all the time, the school reports, the parents at the school gates etc, your friends, your in laws, your partner, your ex partner, yes everyone has an opinion
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This could be a move (with some excuses though) towards getting them finally out of country and out of spotlight.
Minamai found this article time ago... maybe they´ll end up moving there:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-Ne ... 0641309165 (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archiv/Article/20080641309165)
Jacko Moves To Devon 'Hideaway'
1:36pm UK, Thursday March 13, 2008
Fallen pop superstar Michael Jackson could be moving to North Devon.
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Location, location: Tito checks out local homes
Jackson's brother Tito is reported to be on the hunt for a family pad in and around the town of Barnstaple.
Tito, who presented the BBC's Just The Two Of Us, said the whole Jackson family were keen to set up a family hideaway on the sleepy North Devonshire coast.
The former Jackson Five singer has put in an offer on two properties in the area although the exact locations are being kept underwraps, the North Devon Gazette reported.
Celebrity bodyguard and family friend Matt Fiddes told the paper: "It's definitely going to happen.
"Tito spoke with Michael on the phone the other night and all the family are certain that this is the area where they want to find a UK family hideaway."
Tito arrived in Barnstaple, population 34,000, on Wednesday and was spotted at the local nightclub Glitterball.
But that could be his only local appearance.
He said North Devon was a perfect place for Michael and the family to keep a low profile.
"We hope it will be a family hideaway where my brothers and sisters can escape the media attention when we need to," he said.
Last month it emerged that Michael Jackson was selling his Neverland ranch.
It goes up for public auction on March 19.
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Well let me be the lucky one to answer that...
Michael actually had a privatelife (thank God for that) and what happend behind the gates no one knows.. Just because he was the greatest entertainer in the world doesn't mean he had to share everything with the fans or other....
I personally think it's disrespectful to discuss him and his family matters.. I'm sure the Jackson was there when Mike needed them...
Katherine is a perfect mother to all her children just like the mom's here...
I would hate if strange people talked about you and your children the way people here talks about them.. Wouldn't you???
I disagree. Michael himself discussed it. He discussed how he was beaten by Joe when he was a child. He spoke about how his father and siblings teased him about his looks. He talked about how he witnessed his older brothers having sex with groupies in the same room as him.
I disagree Katherine was a perfect mother. She allowed this to happen. She stood by and let her husband physically beat her children.
Its not disrespectful to bring this up.. i actually find it nauseating how Katherine is white washed in all of this.
Michael told us in his own words what his childhood was like... you forgetting that?? And his mother stood by and allowed it to happen.
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the brothers went to devon a few months ago heard about it on LBC, the reporter on their thought it was strange that music royalty well his family turned up there in devon
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Unfortunately, the fact moms being silent when their children are under dad's hands is not rare and it is a phenomenon that everybody interested may get well educated about in web forums and professional articles.
Judgements are however not helpful.
It is about dancing and dance patterns why this may happen and it is very difficult to cure as the complete family must willingly participate.
Plus: I know about a girl asking her mom: "why didn't you leave dad?"
The answer was "you kids were so little then."
Sometimes it was not possible for women in former generations to just leave and divorce.
From where get the food, the housing, the income? And then the shame in public. Those were different times but it happens still today.
We never walked their shoes, we were not there, we know nothing.
And if - who are we to throw a stone.
I don't like these media family stories at all. They are disgusting.
Most of it is crap and lies and if not - why are we staring at neighbour's pink underware on the lane and don't care for our own to get dry?
It is about voyeurism and malicious joy and all negative social behaviour being triggered by "entertainment" and "gossip" agencies. Note the chapter names where these stories are being filed under. They say it all.
Baaah.
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Sorry to hear that Dancing.
I guess you live again lots of things through MJ´s story and you feel indentified.
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it is very unlikely that the children will be taken into care
but plans need to be made for the future and their future - they will never need to work - but preparing for a usefull life contributing to society would be good
if i won the lottery i would sitll want my kids to have an eye to the future and not just sit around
i am not worried but i think what wil happen to jermaines kids -
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Well let me be the lucky one to answer that...
Michael actually had a privatelife (thank God for that) and what happend behind the gates no one knows.. Just because he was the greatest entertainer in the world doesn't mean he had to share everything with the fans or other....
I personally think it's disrespectful to discuss him and his family matters.. I'm sure the Jackson was there when Mike needed them...
Katherine is a perfect mother to all her children just like the mom's here...
I would hate if strange people talked about you and your children the way people here talks about them.. Wouldn't you???
I disagree. Michael himself discussed it. He discussed how he was beaten by Joe when he was a child. He spoke about how his father and siblings teased him about his looks. He talked about how he witnessed his older brothers having sex with groupies in the same room as him.
I disagree Katherine was a perfect mother. She allowed this to happen. She stood by and let her husband physically beat her children.
Its not disrespectful to bring this up.. i actually find it nauseating how Katherine is white washed in all of this.
Michael told us in his own words what his childhood was like... you forgetting that?? And his mother stood by and allowed it to happen.
And by the way.. my story is similar to Michaels.. my father beat me and my mother stood by and did nothing.. and whilst i will never forgive my father, i am close to my mother (like MJ).. but i still remember. I never forget. Michael will never either.
Katherine, to me, seems a bit of a walk over at times.. she stands by and does nothing. Is this what she is doing now?? Social services have told her to take action and sort it out.. yet she is being apathetic and doing nothing. Again!!!
Okay deep breath...
How in the world do you know that Katherine didn't stand up for him??? Have you been inside their house??
Let me guess.. No you haven't.... This happend years ago and yes Mike did tell about it many times but no one knows excactly what katherine have done for him....
And how do you know that Katherine isn't doing anything??? Again you're not inside the Encino house... This is all being giving to you by the filthy tabloids... Let me remind you of how much Mike hated the tabloids... No one know what's going on excactly... And by that i mean it's disrespectful...
How about giving them some privacy instead of analyzing everything they say or do...
Pay the Jacksons some respect
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@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Ive heard it from Michaels mouth.. Oprah, Bashir (yes... Bashir, but Michael still said those things about his family) and in Moonwalk.
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Just wanted to say I'm so glad Paris is there. Look at her loving hand on Blanket's chin. She's like a go between for her Daddy and her siblings, the glue. She'll defend her Dad to the death and has a level of maturity that her brothers haven't come to just yet IMO and MJ trusts her. Who knows maybe she occasionally visits here. I know as a mother who homeschooled 3 all the way, that there's a certain age (young) where you start conversing with your kids on an adults level, and you really understand depths about each other. I feel that's the case with those 4.
About the "Jacko", I think MJ is playing hardball in this hoax. I believe he will achieve his goals, he always has, even if he takes a circuitous route. His opponents are formidable.
IMO Katherine has always had a passive role, perhaps the mentality of a victim. Helplessly watching people around her have their way. Perhaps Michael inherited that complex, but it does not mean that she and he are not strong people. Are we not all victims ultimately? Those backed in a corner can come out with a fury, might and resolve as many of the greats in world history come from that position.
I agree with above post that there's a royalty team of people in that house looking after the kids. Grandma's probably rocking and knitting most of the time. Sort of makes me think of the movie that MacKulley Culkin was star in called Richie Rich where he was an only child in a billionaire's family with many employees at the mansion. The parents are supposedly murdered but alive in the ocean, and the employees all somehow incapacitated by the clever crooks. MC saves his family, together with mostly the butler and the rest of the staff in a hilarious plan.
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look did you see the jacksons the american dream - that seemed that they approved that documentary and the pp in the house have spoken mike has and so have the girls and jermaines would be book to
it was oprah - so why dont you accept the man himself
its not a respect issue - pp get hurt inside their own family units
its a fact - emotional and physically and sometimes sexually
i am not saying eveyone
but it happens - and ignoring it is ignoring the reality of the situation
but in hardship you turn to your family - the good the bad and the ugly - remember it was a different time as well
but that still is not an excuse
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@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Why is hesoutther the one who's blind??
Because she thinks logical?
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@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Why is hesoutther the one who's blind??
Because she thinks logical?
You telling me Michael was lying when he spoke of these things in interviews???
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@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Why is hesoutther the one who's blind??
Because she thinks logical?
You telling me Michael was lying when he spoke of these things in interviews???
Wrong!!!!
As i said before he did tell about this in several interviews... But no one still doesn't know who stood up for him in the end... You can't judge Katherine or his family... They did all they possible could do.. Still you haven't been in the Encino house nor have you been inside Neverland or Holmby Hills for that matter...
Why is it so hard to respect his family or aleast respect Mike???
What have they done to you... Did they disrespect you in any way????
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This does not make sense.
Alejandro is still the mother of those 5 kids, and if Paris calls her mum that means she is like a mother figure in the house. That means those 5 kids have a capable guardian - who was so capable that when she had 4 - child services allowed her to adopt a fifth.
Katherine just has to mother three kids and why shouldn't she be able to. The kids are not that small that need constant attention and there are nannies, tutors and maids who help them out.
The only angle I could see objection from is the Estate as they believe that Katherine is looking after all 8 kids monetarily and hence she/they need such a big allowance. Well it is Michael's money and he knew that all 8 kids would be provided for if his 3 were kept with his mother, so obviously he did not mind it, so who is the Estate to object.
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As i said before he did tell about this in several interviews... But no one still doesn't know who stood up for him in the end... You can't judge Katherine or his family... They did all they possible could do.. Still you haven't been in the Encino house nor have you been inside Neverland or Holmby Hills for that matter...
Why is it so hard to respect his family or aleast respect Mike???
What have they done to you... Did they disrespect you in any way????
I didnt have to be there.. Michael told me what happened in his interviews. His words. His story. His pain.
The day that they raised a hand to Michael was the day they disrespected me.
Im not arguing with you. But how dare you accuse me of disrespecting Michael. He is the only one i stand shoulder to shoulder with.
In my eyes.. that family have seriously cashed in on the situation. Want to watch a fly on the wall doc? Want a new jackson5 album and see their tour?? Want to read their stories they sell to TMZ? Money. Money. Money.
Michael himself distanced himself from the whole family. He may have loved them. Im sure he did. But he had issues with them which stemmed from his childhood. It was clear that was his main source of pain.
I cannot white wash the situation and pretend that it didnt happen. And those children are now lost without Michael. Are those children condemned to the same fate as him? Who knows... i hope not but at the moment it doesnt look good to me and that makes me sad and mad at the same time.
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@the arabian nights
I am aware of these vids.. And as i said before i know Mike talked about it in several interviews...
But for the 3 time... No one has been in the Encino house or Neverland Or Holmby Hills.... No one know what Katherine did for him... Mike was a private person and he protected his family against the media.. Yes he talks about Joe... But again Joe and Mike worked things out in the end... It sadness me to see how you talks about Katherine being a bad mom vs good parent... Mike loved her with regardless.. He protected her from the media and rarely talked about her...
I believe Katherine was a good mother for him and for all the children and i think shes doing a damn good job watching after Mikes children and her other grandchildren...
Don't judge a woman you don't know... But respect her for what she is capable of... Taking care of her grand children...
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@the arabian nights
I am aware of these vids.. And as i said before i know Mike talked about it in several interviews...
But for the 3 time... No one has been in the Encino house or Neverland Or Holmby Hills.... No one know what Katherine did for him... Mike was a private person and he protected his family against the media.. Yes he talks about Joe... But again Joe and Mike worked things out in the end... It sadness me to see how you talks about Katherine being a bad mom vs good parent... Mike loved her with regardless.. He protected her from the media and rarely talked about her...
I believe Katherine was a good mother for him and for all the children and i think shes doing a damn good job watching after Mikes children and her other grandchildren...
Don't judge a woman you don't know... But respect her for what she is capable of... Taking care of her grand children...
How do you know what she is capable of?? You are not there in Encino house either. You dont know what is going on.
All i am saying is view this from a perspective... take the emotions out... take the halo off the Jacksons heads... there may be real issues with these kids.
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Don't you think that Michael is watching his kids like a hawk?
He trusted his mother completly with his kids otherwise they would be in the care of Diana Ross
Katherine did a very good job with all of her kids and its not like she raises the kids of randy an jermaine
Im more upset that some filty writer is calling him and the kids Jacko
let me tell you that other people's books are to sinister to read.... ;)
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not everyone believes mike is alive - the majority of the worlds population dont
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But the will is fake, right?? So if Michael did die.. how do we know what his true wishes really were?
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Okay.... No i haven't been in the Encino house as well and therefore i'm NOT judging Katherines skills..
This is absolutly disrespectful to Mike... You all talks about how much you love and miss him... How do you think he would feel if he could read how you write about his precious mother... He would throw up on this site and hate what people are doing to his family..
Love him... Miss him.... Want him back....
Not the way you treat his family...
This has nothing to do with respect what so ever... Think about it and let it sink in...
You are talking about the one thing who meant the world to him besides his 3 precious children..
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Don't you think that Michael is watching his kids like a hawk?
He trusted his mother completly with his kids otherwise they would be in the care of Diana Ross
Katherine did a very good job with all of her kids and its not like she raises the kids of randy an jermaine
Im more upset that some filty writer is calling him and the kids Jacko
let me tell you that other people's books are to sinister to read.... ;)
All that is what the suspicious 2002 Branca´s will says... we don´t know anything else.
We don´t know if that´s MJ´s desire.
Diana Ross as MJ´s desire?
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we have to take everything in the balance
this abuse happened and the family have managed it
and thats it
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Michael didn't die and everyday more people come to that conclusion
Why aren't you focussing on what is importend instead of these tabloid crap because the more you read the more they write
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The way i respect Mike is by listening to him and watching the behaviour and reactions of all those who surrounded him.
Mike has spoke out about this before and i have listened.
Im not disrespecting his mother.. i am saying she is an 80 year old woman who seems to choose the apathetic approach. She is an old lady now. By putting the blinkers on and pretending that its ok because she is MJs mother could be dangerous for those children.
Time will tell. Those children will eventually tell when they grow up.
I just have a problem with this halo that the Jackson family seem to have acquired. Just saying.
Michael wasnt a saint, either by the way. Still love him though.
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how can you be so sure - i know the site is the hoax investigation site
but isnt there any part of you that could admit that he may have died
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The way i respect Mike is by listening to him and watching the behaviour and reactions of all those who surrounded him.
don't let your mind fool you, because you can make everything fitt into this hoax (including me) and that is exactly what is happening right now
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The way i respect Mike is by listening to him and watching the behaviour and reactions of all those who surrounded him.
don't let your mind fool you, because you can make everything fitt into this hoax (including me) and that is exactly what is happening right now
Is it just me or are there a lot of argumentative people on here tonight?
you think i try and fit things into the hoax? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You dont know me very well.. ive been on here for a long time. Ive always said im not a beLIEver. I dont believe in blind faith and one sightnesses.
There is a real chance Michael has died and we are looking at a murder conspiracy.
You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
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The way i respect Mike is by listening to him and watching the behaviour and reactions of all those who surrounded him.
don't let your mind fool you, because you can make everything fitt into this hoax (including me) and that is exactly what is happening right now
Is it just me or are there a lot of argumentative people on here tonight?
you think i try and fit things into the hoax? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You dont know me very well.. ive been on here for a long time. Ive always said im not a beLIEver. I dont believe in blind faith and one sightnesses.
There is a real chance Michael has died and we are looking at a murder conspiracy.
Im sorry???
Where do I say that you try to fit into the hoax???
please read it again because that's not what I said.... :?
You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
You are boring me now and im not replying to anymore of you arguments. Bye
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:lol:
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
You are boring me now and im not replying to anymore of you arguments. Bye
oh given up oke bye then :D
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
You are boring me now and im not replying to anymore of you arguments. Bye
Why are you giving up???
I personally think it's important to talk about.. It's not all pink here... People can't always agree with you and since you replyed on this i think it's to easy to walk away...
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
You are boring me now and im not replying to anymore of you arguments. Bye
Why are you giving up???
I personally think it's important to talk about.. It's not all pink here... People can't always agree with you and since you replyed on this i think it's to easy to walk away...
Sorry I know it's off topic, but I just have one question to you @ hesoutthere:
You're signature picture.....What exactly does that mean? "The hoaxers wants his life" ??
uuum No? We don't want his life we just wanna know the truth! I really don't like discussions like this....I really have big respect for the jackson family, especially for Katherine... But comin' into a HOAX Forum..with signatures like this...hmmm... Maybe I just get that wrong, that's why I'm asking you for the meaning of it? Thank you
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@DancingTheDream
I get your points and going by your many posts on the forum I know you're not being judgemental just concerned. Arent' we all?
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one good thing about the vid release and recent pix is that the kids seem fine
and at the end of the day thats all that matters
peace to all tonight
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@DancingTheDream
I get your points and going by your many posts on the forum I know you're not being judgemental just concerned. Arent' we all?
((hugs)) I guess i am so used to this being an open minded forum where we all discuss our opinions and argue in a respectful and thoughtful way that it took me off guard to be taken like that! :D
Thats why i love it here... we can discuss all issues in a mature fashion... even when we disagree with each other. I love a good debate! :D
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The way i respect Mike is by listening to him and watching the behaviour and reactions of all those who surrounded him.
don't let your mind fool you, because you can make everything fitt into this hoax (including me) and that is exactly what is happening right now
Maybe that´s the point where you´re in at right now.
Many of us have been there and come back lots of times, so you may speak for yourself ;)
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Dancing, I agree with you, I like to consider all the sides.
Why wouldn´t I consider that his family bosom may harm him or kids.
That´s a very usual thing. Family roles are something hard to break.
Family´s even a cause of mental problems triggering many times.
I don´t say that´s the case, I´m trying to picture how harmfull can family bosom be.
I think it´s clever to consider all the possibilities, having into account what M´J himself said, and things like Jermaine´s friends introduced to him...
I´m not gonna state/judge, but why not considering?
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by DancingTheDream » Sun May 09, 2010 6:42 pm
@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Ive heard it from Michaels mouth.. Oprah, Bashir (yes... Bashir, but Michael still said those things about his family) and in Moonwalk.
Thank you DancingTheDream!
Someone posted on another forum, "why they want to change Michael's
story?".
Michael did not get to say enough as it was, but he DID repeat
this abuse throughout his life.
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by DancingTheDream » Sun May 09, 2010 6:42 pm
@hesoutofthere
You are the one who is blind.
Ive heard it from Michaels mouth.. Oprah, Bashir (yes... Bashir, but Michael still said those things about his family) and in Moonwalk.
Thank you DancingTheDream!
Someone posted on another forum, "why they want to change Michael's
story?".
Michael did not get to say enough as it was, but he DID repeat
this abuse throughout his life.
Yes... thats how i feel. I know MJ loved his family and forgave his father in his later years.
But it was still Michaels story.. its what made him who he was.. it created good and bad in him. Demons and angels.
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I get the feeling that people are stirring up the pot because some have claimed it has been quiet around here lately. Nothing like getting ones emotions all geared up to infuse fresh energy and zeal into a person. And that siggy ...is that another 'branch' of hoax believer? Someone who believes in the hoax but does not want to investigate it?
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:roll: I'm so tired of these "respect" junkies.
All they're doing is picking fights with people that are just trying to do their jobs as INVESTIGATORS.
And we can have opinions too.
Just trying to shut us up with the "That's disrespectful" bull.
Let us be. Please.
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Yes... thats how i feel. I know MJ loved his family and forgave his father in his later years.
But it was still Michaels story.. its what made him who he was.. it created good and bad in him. Demons and angels.
Let´s say for instance I have an older brother that abussed from the fact of being older when children, and was mean to me and I felt impotent with the situation. I can some how "hate" him through all my life and even say he is not my brother to me anymore... but as a grown up, those feelings are more calmed, even if those roles keep being so. Inside I can still feel mad at him and never forget that. But if someone ask me, he is my brother and wouldn´t go around speaking bad of him... if I have an argue, that day he´s mean again, but another day you feel tied... that kind of ties are not easy to define. This kind of relations can´t be defined as love-period... they have BUTS.
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WOW ....
This is crazy..... Maybe these 2 "Hoax 2.0 people" (That I have dubbed them) know each other and just came here to start some mess. But that statement about fitting and making everything fall into the hoax "Including me" Is kinda creepy, don't you think? Hmm... :twisted:
I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!
We created you, so now we can destroy you :twisted: LMAO
I think we are a much more powerful force than we are even percieving at the moment. Something Grand is about to happen.
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question is micheal had to know what the possibilties for attention were when he put them out there before the 25th of june. even after the 'death" reality or hoax ,everything could have been kept more private if they really wanted to.so was it to prove something? or possibly use the attention of the public to help keep the children safer in a bad situation? just a little different perspective.
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You are all going to kill me for this one...
but where was Katherine when Michael was being physically beaten and emotionally abused by Joe?
Why is she all of a sudden a perfect mother and good role model for the grandkids??
Just wanted to throw that one out there for you all.....
Well let me be the lucky one to answer that...
Michael actually had a privatelife (thank God for that) and what happend behind the gates no one knows.. Just because he was the greatest entertainer in the world doesn't mean he had to share everything with the fans or other....
I personally think it's disrespectful to discuss him and his family matters.. I'm sure the Jackson was there when Mike needed them...
Katherine is a perfect mother to all her children just like the mom's here...
I would hate if strange people talked about you and your children the way people here talks about them.. Wouldn't you???
I don't think Katherine is a bad mom at all. I think she's done all she can do for her children, remember they were poor & she had a lot of kids. However, this is a legitimate question. They have all admitted that their father beat them & he was hard on them. He never showed love, etc. That's pretty damaging & how could you watch that being done to your kids & not want to run as far away as possible with them? In the movie Jacksons An American Dream, there's a part where Katherine says she would never divorce Joe because she was against divorce & thought it would hurt the kids & break up the family. Well, maybe I'm the crazy one but I'd go for the divorce before I'd let my husband harm my kids & I'm not even a mother! Yeah, divorce is hard but think about what they had to endure? Especially Michael. Things would have been A LOT different had they seperated at least back then, I think. But who knows what she was thinking or going through. She needed him & probably feared him. Or feared what would happen if she didn't have him anymore? I don't discredit her for being a very loving, caring mother who obviously loves her kids though. She's still a good mother in my eyes. Times were tough for her back then, that doesn't change how much she loves her kids & what she would do for them. I'm sure she loves her grandkids too. Please don't disrespect her. They all love her so much. & btw I don't buy this story. However, it probably would be hard for her to just kick her other grandkids who have been living with her all their lives out though. She's probably very close to them. & if she did they might be hurt & feel like just because PP&B are MJ's kids, she's choosing his kids over them. It's a tough situation. However, I feel if PPB leave, it's for a different reason other than CPS ;)
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You are the one judging, my friend. And arguing for no reason.
Uhmm just to get this straight... You think that it's dvdg1 judging???
Well explain this to me please... Who was it that talked about Katherine and the lack of her skills regarding the children??
Judging??????
You are boring me now and im not replying to anymore of you arguments. Bye
Why are you giving up???
I personally think it's important to talk about.. It's not all pink here... People can't always agree with you and since you replyed on this i think it's to easy to walk away...
No, it's not the easy way, it's the mature way.
The fact that someone has an acc. on this site doesn't mean they
think he is alive. It doesn't mean that they try to fit everything into a box.
It doesn't mean that you think everything is pink. You are passing judgement
on everybody together - as one person, and that doesn't make you come of very openminded.
Every single person in here has different theories, some are sure he is alive, some people
think it might be a 50/50 chance, and some think he is dead. Every single person in here has
different opinions sometimes, and not everybody in here is picking every little detail apart.
Some people in here aren't even MJ-fans, they are just interested in all the details that doesn't
match up regarding his death. So that has nothing to do with grieving. And everybody is allowed to have different opinions. I respect your opinions, and you should respect ours.
You should just keep on with your work on your website, but be friendly if you are planning on keeping your acc. here. We all, should just agree to disagree. If you believe your inside information, then good for you. You should feel blessed to be trusted. What we think about that, has nothing to do with anything.
The information might be fake, it might be real, it's not our business. So keep up your work and let people on this site do their work, and lets just hope that everybody can treat eachother with respect.
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Tabloid trash, as they know what goes on in that house, talk of nightmare and terror, .. :evil: TMZ remember Mrs. Katherine said "clean the house ".... ;) are otherwise called Jack :twisted:
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I don't understand HOW it could be a problem to have 8 kids in a house. There are MANY families who have 8 kids, or MORE, and everything is fine.
I don't understand too how they can say that Katherine is dealing with 8 kids. The 5 others kids have a mom, living in the house ! Do you think katherine would take her place ? Alejandra is living there with her 5 kids, i guess she's not just sitting in front of the tv, watching Katherine taking care of her own kids...They are 2 women for 8 kids, and just remember that 2 of Alejandra are older than 16, so able to drive, to take care themselves. When you're 20, you'r not a kid anymore and you're able to help.
I really don't understand WHERE is the problem. It can look like a "tribe" because of all people living in the same house, but hey ! every big family looks like a tribe, with problems, tensions, and when you look it from the outside, it's always scary, you wonder how can everyone of them deal with it. But it doesn't mean it's not working well...
I'm not really surprised, and I just think tabloids wants us to believe that a big family is not able to deal with the most famous guy's kids...Maybe they don't like the fact that Alejandra still lives there, that it's a kind of weird "stepfamily"...But for me I don't see anything strange. Just 1 mom and 1 grand mother dealing with a group of teens. It cannot be quiet everyday !
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I don't understand HOW it could be a problem to have 8 kids in a house. There are MANY families who have 8 kids, or MORE, and everything is fine.
I don't understand too how they can say that Katherine is dealing with 8 kids. The 5 others kids have a mom, living in the house ! Do you think katherine would take her place ? Alejandra is living there with her 5 kids, i guess she's not just sitting in front of the tv, watching Katherine taking care of her own kids...They are 2 women for 8 kids, and just remember that 2 of Alejandra are older than 16, so able to drive, to take care themselves. When you're 20, you'r not a kid anymore and you're able to help.
I really don't understand WHERE is the problem. It can look like a "tribe" because of all people living in the same house, but hey ! every big family looks like a tribe, with problems, tensions, and when you look it from the outside, it's always scary, you wonder how can everyone of them deal with it. But it doesn't mean it's not working well...
I'm not really surprised, and I just think tabloids wants us to believe that a big family is not able to deal with the most famous guy's kids...Maybe they don't like the fact that Alejandra still lives there, that it's a kind of weird "stepfamily"...But for me I don't see anything strange. Just 1 mom and 1 grand mother dealing with a group of teens. It cannot be quiet everyday !
I agree! They are certainly not the first family to do it. The kids range in age from 8-20 of course there's going to be some chaos, it doesn't mean that Katherine is unable to handle them. They are teenagers, young adults & children for goodness sake. Do people expect to see them sitting down reading the newspaper acting like mature adults?! They are acting their age. Yes, Jaafar ordered a stun gun but that doesn't mean Katherine doesn't have control. He snuck on the computer & ordered without anyone's knowledge. Nobody got hurt. Also, the whole Alejandra thing, yeah she lives there but she was taken in for a reason & was allowed to stay for this long, so I don't see why her living there is now an issue. Her children are HER children, she's there taking care of them. They are in her custody. Also, if Katherine doesn't have a problem with her being there all this time, neither should anyone else, since it's their business & no one else's. Also, the other grandchildren, Randy & Jermaine's kids, have just as much right to stay there. They are her grandchildren too, no she isn't their guardian but they've been living there their whole lives. Without a problem. All of a sudden the media or whoever wants to create drama & they might be kicked out. That's unfair. Plus, MJ's kids seem extremely close to them. It's important for them to have kids their age around. It helps them cope (if he is indeed gone or if he can't be with them right now). To kick them out just creates more chaos & change for MJ's kids to get used to. They should be left alone. They are happy & healthy. Katherine's parenting skills should not be questioned, neither should Alejandra or her kids' situation. If you want to question anyone's parenting skills, it should be Jermaine & Randy, seeing as how they've left it up their mother to take care of their ex wife & kids. That's never been her job, it's theirs. They should be giving child support to Alejandra, they should be helping to take care of their kids. They have homes, why can't the kids stay there sometimes, to give Katherine some peace & quiet? How come the only time it seems Jermaine has his kids is when he wants to show them off? He's traveling all over the world, but he has kids they should be his priority NOT his "fame". idk what he & Randy do for the kids but it just seems like they don't do much & it's wrong they expect their mother to fill their shoes.
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You are all going to kill me for this one...
but where was Katherine when Michael was being physically beaten and emotionally abused by Joe?
Why is she all of a sudden a perfect mother and good role model for the grandkids??
Just wanted to throw that one out there for you all.....
very legit question. all i can say is, from personal experience, my mother watched my father treat my brother and me in the same manner. now don't get me wrong, i love my momma very much and she has sacrificed a lot. like katherine, my mom is a very strong woman. however, when you have a husband who is very dominating and set in his ways, it's difficult to do anything. my mom only had us 2. katherine had 9 and it was a different kind of world back in the 60s and 70s. women didn't have the kind of options they do today- especially for low income families. i also think katherine believes in the family unit, and didn't want to (or maybe couldn't) separate everyone. i think she's always been the sweet maternal person we see today, just back then she was too afraid or couldn't speak up or stop it. and who is to say she didn't get into "the line of fire" sometimes? i hope this clarifies your question a little =/
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My grandma raised like 13 bebbies, and takes care of all her grandchildren, and runs a sewing course. Ans she's like 75. 'Nuff said.
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perhaps she just determined that it was time for the childen to get back into arrangements that are more like they are accustom to.the other kid's were probably a fine diversion in the beginnig.also it might be easier for them to better work their relationship under different circumstances. it's not like the kid's can't see each other.if the other home is available what's the real problem.as for the situation when micheal and his siblings were young, being a mother i sometimes do wonder.one thing i think though is that the beating micheal personally got didn't hurt him near as much as watching his brother get them while he was being held up as the standard that he wasn't meeting to earn them.
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why are there even 8 kids in the house?? I mean obviously Michael's kids have to be there.but what about the other 5. Why aren't they at home? :? :roll:
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I bet if the kids got to chose they'd want everyone to stay but does anyone ever ask the children what they want? :x It's like having extra siblings, to me that can't be a bad thing. Just look at the YT videos of Blanket with his cousins, they're having a blast!
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why are there even 8 kids in the house?? I mean obviously Michael's kids have to be there.but what about the other 5. Why aren't they at home? :? :roll:
Because they are Katherine children also...I mean if you have more than 1 son, and that they have kids, they diserve help the same way. We don't know what happened so that Randy/Jermaine's wife and kids had to go live to Katherine's home. I guess if she said ok, there was a good reason. Don't ask me why Jermaine or Randy don't do something so their ex wife and kids live on their own somewhere. It's none of my business. From the outside, I think it's strange that they have to live with their grandma as they have mom and dad to take care, but we don't know what's going on "in real everyday life" so... :roll:
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It's a sticky situation. It could be dangerous to send the children of a world famous superstar to a foster home.