Michael Jackson Death Hoax Investigators
Hoax Investigation => General Hoax Investigation => Other Odd Things => Topic started by: virgo75 on April 06, 2010, 08:16:32 AM
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A lot of people on here are having doubts.
I thought it would get us going in the right direction to post a re-cap thread.
It was mentioned in another thread, so I'm stealing someone else's idea.
Hope you guys don't mind. :oops:
Ok, maybe we could start by listing all of the "odd things" that gave us doubts about what was going on June 25th, 2009.
We can also list the pros and cons of how this could relate to either a hoax or something else.
For example:
1)The ambulance pic.
Pro - It doesn't look like a dead Mike, or even a recent Mike so it can't be real and could be hoax related.
Con - It could have been photoshopped just for money whether Michael is dead or not.
2)The 911 call.
Pro - There were inconsistancies in how the call was handled - no name mentioned, CPR on the bed, the dispatcher hung up before the EMTs arrived.
Con - From other input(particularly a member on here - LadyMedic - and others in the medical field) the way they handled the call was professional and since there was supposed to be a doctor present, they were allowed to hang up.
I'm going to try to add to the list and I'm hoping others will also add to the list and the pros and cons as well.
Thank you. :)
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for me it is the helicopter and franks comments about having spoken to mike post 25/06/09
i want to review the helicopter stuff with you guys and i will be looking at all the previous threads on this and reviewing YT.
what i am hoping is that we can go further than just the pro's and cons, as you guys are all professional hoaxers now and we have had our first look now we can cold case this a bit. I know that another member of this site is interested in this aspect.
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for me it is the helicopter and franks comments about having spoken to mike post 25/06/09
i want to review the helicopter stuff with you guys and i will be looking at all the previous threads on this and reviewing YT.
Thanks for responding.
For me -
The helicopter:
Pro - 1)a helicopter is a not standard procedure to transport a dead body(show?) 2)the doors are open - to make sure people see? 3)Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know? 4)the changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher 5)the movement in the helicopter
Con - 1)could have been done to distract the media from the actual transport on the ground. 2)could have been done to further the drama and income on any endeavours AEG and/or SONY entered into to profit off of Michael's death. 3)the movement etc. could have been for show as in #1 & #2.
If anyone else has anymore or can contradict anything I wrote please chime in. :)
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Virgo, why don't you go through the Official Questions List first, and write a recap yourself? I love the idea of a recap, but the way you want to do it now it will most likely turn out like another thread with numerous post, so there's still no real recap.
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Virgo, why don't you go through the Official Questions List first, and write a recap yourself? I love the idea of a recap, but the way you want to do it now it will most likely turn out like another thread with numerous post, so there's still no real recap.
Ok, thank you.
This is a good idea.
I was kind of trying to get other people's views as well.
I'll go try to get through the list and share my thoughts in a little bit.
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Virgo, why don't you go through the Official Questions List first, and write a recap yourself? I love the idea of a recap, but the way you want to do it now it will most likely turn out like another thread with numerous post, so there's still no real recap.
think we are going to do the research - but we are all at work at the moment
so i will get on to it a little later, i really dont want this to be a rehash but more than that and not a question list either, please give us a little time and please dont lock us - please mo.
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Oh no, it was just a suggestion, no intentions of locking this thread..!
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for me it is the helicopter and franks comments about having spoken to mike post 25/06/09
i want to review the helicopter stuff with you guys and i will be looking at all the previous threads on this and reviewing YT.
Thanks for responding.
For me -
The helicopter:
Pro - 1)a helicopter is a not standard procedure to transport a dead body(show?) 2)the doors are open - to make sure people see? 3)Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know? 4)the changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher 5)the movement in the helicopter
Con - 1)could have been done to distract the media from the actual transport on the ground. 2)could have been done to further the drama and income on any endeavours AEG and/or SONY entered into to profit off of Michael's death. 3)the movement etc. could have been for show as in #1 & #2.
If anyone else has anymore or can contradict anything I wrote please chime in. :)
OR, maybe he wasn't at UCLA at all that day, we have to at least consider that.
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for me it is the helicopter and franks comments about having spoken to mike post 25/06/09
i want to review the helicopter stuff with you guys and i will be looking at all the previous threads on this and reviewing YT.
Thanks for responding.
For me -
The helicopter:
Pro - 1)a helicopter is a not standard procedure to transport a dead body(show?) 2)the doors are open - to make sure people see? 3)Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know? 4)the changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher 5)the movement in the helicopter
Con - 1)could have been done to distract the media from the actual transport on the ground. 2)could have been done to further the drama and income on any endeavours AEG and/or SONY entered into to profit off of Michael's death. 3)the movement etc. could have been for show as in #1 & #2.
If anyone else has anymore or can contradict anything I wrote please chime in. :)
OR, maybe he wasn't at UCLA at all that day, we have to at least consider that.
Yes, thank you, that's also possible.
There were reports of helicopters over Neverland, right?
Hmmmm.....
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Right now I'm trying to go through the Official Questions List as suggested, but it's kind of jumbled and random. :(
I'm going to try to start by making a chronolgical list of inconsistancies that were seen as clues rather than just questions, if that makes sense. Maybe I should start with going back to before June 25th? Ok, thinking out loud(sorry :oops: ) list for now and I'll try to elaborate on pros and cons afterwards.
Before June 25th:
* O2 announcement
* The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved, etc.
* The rehearsals
On June 25th:
* The timeline reports from staff & Murray
* The 911 call
* The ambulance
* The photograph of the inside of the ambulance
* Reports out of UCLA
* The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
* The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
After June 25th:
* Conflicting stories of staff
* Murray's account of what happened
* The moving van at the house
* The family's statements
I haven't even gotten to the memorial, the funeral, the interview with family & friends, Murray's background, or the trial, but I have to get back to work. lol I'll try to continue this later. If anyone wants to add or suggest anything, please do. :)
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How about the BLUE suit that Katherine wore to this week's trial. Another member pointed it out here. Katherine wore the same suit she wore at MJ's 2005 trial!! SHe wore it to this week's trial. ;)
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The Helicopter
The thing that got me to the hoax was the helicopter; I know that I am not alone here.
[youtube:2ry4obe2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPva142GTaA[/youtube:2ry4obe2]
[youtube:2ry4obe2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmo7rFuA3n0&NR=1[/youtube:2ry4obe2]
in this vid you can i believe see as if hands are moving and then the shoulder thing and then the lift - in this vid it seems alot more marked
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Otg7Ugw ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Otg7UgwdAkw&feature=related)
but back up a bit there is a red target underneath - were they just above the ground in this shot, yes they were just about to land.
I don’t want to write a rehash of the threads, but I must be honest it may amount to that. I want us to look again, with fresh eyes, this stuff is not new to us now, and we should be hardened and not get distracted.
I want you guys to look and think,
• have we forgotten to question anything,
• have we missed something,
• have we made an unreasonable assumption?
A few weeks ago I asked those who had lost faith to tell me why the helicopter is not a hoax. But no one said it was. No not mike, not anyone.
Now with my own views having shifted even further to believing that there is more chance that mike is dead, I ask myself that question. I ask you to help critically review this element of the hoax.
Remember we have said that this was part of the hoax.
The official view
The official view is that mike died on 25th June 2009, after the death had been confirmed (another story) and the body identified (another story), he was placed wrapped in a white sheet or white body bag (another story) and was transported via helicopter to the coroners office. It was also alleged I think in the autopsy report, that mike was accompanied by someone to the coroner’s office.
Here is the vid of the body being moved from the heli to the van - the point here i want to make is that we do not see the 3 flight guys or anyone from the flight that can be seen accompanying mike to the coroners office - so is that part of the autopsy wrong - did i imagine it.
[youtube:2ry4obe2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kzSeo08VJo[/youtube:2ry4obe2]
Normal practice or not
How often do they use the helicopter to transport bodies?
Road transportation
Was it mike in the wrapping/body bag or was it a decoy, or was he transported by road.
Was it MJ’s body in the helicopter?
First we do not know if it was his body in the helicopter save for any comments in the autopsy report (need an autopsy report hoaxer to confirm this as I only read 1 or 2 pages). The news reporters were assuming on 25th that it was mike; the autopsy reports became public only recently.
Was it the same body that was put in that was taken out? It would seem not look at the flat lack of body shape in this vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=WiBRN0t ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=WiBRN0t-8dM&feature=related)
but this following vid the first few seconds there does seem to be a tummy shape - a body density -could this then be mike or decoy mike? also in this vid you see a man with a cream shirt going into the van ahead of the body is he the man accompanying the body?
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=53mrPUO ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=53mrPUOfeAo&feature=related)
Firstly, the loading of the body - the French Vid is good on this. The body was pushed to the back behind the flight – guy, but when the body is taken out we see a body behind with the straps on and the body without straps taken from the side.
It is true that the body taken off did not have straps.
Secondly, the flight guy by the open door did not go back and release any black ties, when the body is taken out we don’t see anyone releasing the black ties, what we see I think is that a body (albeit a flatter body – or no body) being lifted out. I also do no see anyone from the helicopter accompanying the body onto the coroners van (wasn’t that stated in the autopsy report). (working on memory here).
Thirdly, it would seem that there were 2 or more bodies.
If so what happened to the other body(ies), how and when did the other body get there, where did it go?
Or was mikes body transported by road. I have even heard/read/seen that some pp are saying that the fake Germany coroners van Vid, with mike coming out is actually a depiction of the truth (though not the real thing).
This is the faked vid (this vid has been admitted as a fake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=7tuFRya3pUg&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=7tuFRya3pUg&feature=fvw)
The wriggle
I have looked and looked at the wriggle and all I think about is, me on an airplane with the blanket slipping off and me too lazy to fix it, so I wriggled. This seems to be the exact same move. Is this the new move that was mentioned so much?
Can a fresh(ish) corpse move like this?
Others have said that the body cannot wriggle, the body was lifted; sorry don’t see any hands lifting, or a body attached to any hands that I can’t see. Tech guys can – can you do a still and zoom to see if here are any hands or a body attached to those hands, which are moving the body?
The French Vid
Lets back up a bit the French got a good view of the helicopter, and to me there is movement from within before the flight takes off, from the back were the body is a movement to the cockpit – or is it my eyes.
With regard to other parts of the hoax it has been a steady release of information that changes the picture, more bits of the puzzle.
But with this we have the scene but do we have all the information? What have we missed, what have we over looked, what have we made assumptions about, what is missing?
The autopsy reports says two things on memory of reading a few pages of a document I did not want to read
1. That mike was transported by helicopter
2. That someone accompanied the body from the helicopter to the coroners van.
So do I have an explanation –now that I believe that the chances are that mike is dead? How do I explain this helicopter wriggle?
All I can say playing your devils advocate is that this may not be how he was transported – he may have been transported by van and the helicopter thing was a decoy.
this vid - the newscasters say that they dont know if it was mike but somebody wrapped up, they said that they cannot confirm that. they said that mike was not taken by helicopter to the hospital by helicopter but by the paramedics
[youtube:2ry4obe2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3NLmHZO2XE&NR=1[/youtube:2ry4obe2]
If you want me to add the vid’s tell me and I will, I have not finished I think I will edit and add and change.
All of this is based on the belief that mike attended the hospital in the first place we have Jermaine saying that he was not with us oops comment.
[youtube:2ry4obe2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d62l6H1RwFM[/youtube:2ry4obe2]
look at this hoax vid on the opps
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Nf8KJGS ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Nf8KJGSvUsg&feature=related)
question is - is it an opps and jermaine just getting the facts wrong, but was his recovery in making an error acceptable - i am still out on this one.
We have conflicting views as to how he may have entered the hospital, on the stretcher or wheeling him in. http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=QT5lOnP ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=QT5lOnPZhxc&feature=related).
the still looks convincing of a michael looking ponytail and a michael looking profile - is this another jackson hoax oddities
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The thing that got me was the two ambulance videos showing two different occurances PROVING that they had to be filmed TWICE...proving that somethin ain't right!
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Thank you for the responses. :)
Sorry I've been M.I.A. I shouldn't even start thread because of how busy I am. :lol:
mjboogie - Thank you, I'll make sure to add Mrs. Jackson wearing the blue outfit when I make it up to the trial. ;)
the arabian nights - Thank you for your in-depth look at the helicopter situation. It is quite questionable - especially that wiggle. :shock: Even if MJ wasn't in the helicopter, what was the point of that movement? Who or what was in there? Great questions. Please feel free to add more when you have the time.
BlessHisHeart - Thank you for reminding me of the 2 ambulance videos. Again, what is the point of 1)filming it twice? and/or 2)allowing it to be released so others can see it? And if it's release was unintentional, then who realeased it, and why?
I feel like I have so much work to do.
I should have started this on a weekend when I have more free time. :lol:
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Just check my videos, I think its a great recap. :)
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Just check my blog: :P
http://www.hoaxtimeline.wordpress.com
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Thank you very much Harry and VeryLittleSusie(I like your name :) ).
I can't wait to check out both. :D
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oI'll have to link a yputube video that has some clues on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyvjkQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDnxSXyvjkQ)
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CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN, IF IT IS NOT A HOAX, HOW MOTHER KATHERINE AND SISTER CAN BE SO MUCH HAPPY ON THE DANCING STARS 1 MONTH AFTER MICHAEL'S "FUNERAL"?????????? :shock:
WATCH
http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherin ... eo_1168653 (http://www.accesshollywood.com/katherine-jackson-reacts-to-dancing-with-the-stars-michael-jackson-tribute_video_1168653)
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Yes, thank you, that's also possible.
There were reports of helicopters over Neverland, right?
Hmmmm.....
Yes, if I remember right I think there were.
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I don't know. We have ALOT of things that is pointing to that it's a hoax. But what about those things that would prove otherwise? Maybe we should look at them, piece by piece, and try to see how they would be explainable or fit in to the hoax. Instead of going through all the answers we have, why not ask the right questions now instead? To try to find out what piece of the puzzle that we are missing.
Like lawyers do, you do not have to prove that you are right, you just have to prove that the people on the other side are wrong. I'm sorry if I don't make any sense, just woke up..
Which things have made it hard for you to beLIEve those months, and how could we explain them?
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Virgo75: I can start with the pros and you can come and add the cons later when you have time.
Before June 25th:
* O2 announcement
- Acting in a way that isn't himself, so the drugstory would work in the hoax.
That also made people doubt that it even was him there, but a body double.
* The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved, etc.
Was the concert ever meant to happen? A hired doctor that isn't even licensed
to practice medicine in UK. (will add more here soon)
* The rehearsals
The final curtain call - the rehearsals? Convenient that everything was filmed
in such a high quality. Lots of people referring to him as a great filmmaker, one of them
was Liz Taylor, at her twitter: "It (TII) is the single most brilliant piece of filmmaking
I have ever seen. It cements forever Michael's genius in every aspect of creativity."
Ortega that made a statement that made it sound like Michael was editing TII with him.
Ortega also called the rehearsals for TII, "Michaels final theatrical work."
[youtube:2iygirni]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0BSN7sfc4&NR=1[/youtube:2iygirni] (at 0:55) (6:29)
He didn't show up for the rehearsals until a few days before 25th according to some sources.
Was he only there to get enough film for TII?
On June 25th:
* The timeline reports from staff & Murray
* The 911 call
* The ambulance
* The photograph of the inside of the ambulance
Did Michael get 15 years younger by jumping in to that ambulance?
No. Old photo/photoshopped.
* Reports out of UCLA
Almost no reports at all. No one had anything to say and no one had seen anything.
A friend of mine knows one of the workers at UCLA, and she worked on
26th. No one said almost anything. She had to find out about his death from the news.
Doctors refusing to sign death certificate. Official statement that begins with:
"The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday,
June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home."
* The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
What I find almost most interesting, is that TMZ always is first, with all the breaking news.
Who is feeding them all that information, and why did they pick TMZ? Ofcourse then,
all the conflicting stories surrounding his "death" is interesting aswell, but that could
also just be good ol' media, getting it wrong as usual.
* The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
Jermaine making the announcement, LaToya signing the death certificate.
UCLA just didn't want to have anything to do with it, did they?
[youtube:2iygirni]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnIxW0X-cI&feature=related[/youtube:2iygirni]
After June 25th:
* Conflicting stories of staff
* Murray's account of what happened
* The moving van at the house
* The family's statements
Conflicting stories, constant slip-ups, hardly no visable grieving.
Some claim that fans called them to let them know what happened to Michael. (?!)
And some of them doesn't even seem to remember where they were when they found out.
Joe that didn't know were Michaels body was for quite a while. Jermaine saying that "Michael
was not with us way before he got to the airport... uh, hospital." And then delays, delays, delays.
(will add more)
I don't have time to finish this list now, but I will continue later today.
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i think it is a very good idea to collate the question list into groups of questions ...under headings......things will then become clearer...........bey micheal is saying...."ah now they are getting close to this"......lol....xxxxxx
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yes i think virgo75 will do a good job, the question list will throw up much for discussion when placed in order
hope virgo75 does not feel too pressured - lets give her some time guys -thanks for your support.
i am really interested in hearing more from ladyandbird - thanks for your work so far :D
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Thank you everyone so much for your input! :D
I really appreciate the links to info & videos as well as the embedded ones(the arabian nights, reasonables, scorpionchik, and loyalfan).
I also want to especially thank ladyandbird for listing some of the pros to the clues!
This is really what I was hoping for - other people to express what they see as pros and cons of clues with relation to the hoax.
Even though I will (work permitting :oops: ) come through and post my own, I was hoping to get other people's input.
I wasn't just trying to make this whole thread about my own thoughts.
I would genuinely love and prefer input from others. :D
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the amazing thing here guys is when you start to review the material - as they have developed you still get sucked in, i mean here am i on monday/Tuesday - saying oh yes he is dead, did my write up from memory mostly and today looking at some new vids of the helicopter and i'm thinking well no dead body is going to move their hands, shoulders and raise from the trolley.
so is it mike, is it a decoy
i still see no hands lifting the body - i trying to shoot this down - i am trying hard here. i will look again.
virgo75 said1)The ambulance pic.
Pro - It doesn't look like a dead Mike, or even a recent Mike so it can't be real and could be hoax related.
Con - It could have been photoshopped just for money whether Michael is dead or not.
yeap the photo is not credible i think that is universal. As we dont have a death photo - question why is that the case, how come the photo was out there shown on live news reports when the helicopter was in the air, the value of the fake was high. It was the only confirmation at the time, that he was in trouble, apart from ben who took the shot. but i want to look into this a little more, if you dont mind, and will get back to you. i will not be talking about the pic because it was a photoshop but the timing. if anyone wants to jump in please do.
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Virgo75: I can start with the pros and you can come and add the cons later when you have time.
Before June 25th:
* O2 announcement
- Acting in a way that isn't himself, so the drugstory would work in the hoax.
That also made people doubt that it even was him there, but a body double.
* The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved, etc.
Was the concert ever meant to happen? A hired doctor that isn't even licensed
to practice medicine in UK. (will add more here soon)
* The rehearsals
The final curtain call - the rehearsals? Convenient that everything was filmed
in such a high quality. Lots of people referring to him as a great filmmaker, one of them
was Liz Taylor, at her twitter: "It (TII) is the single most brilliant piece of filmmaking
I have ever seen. It cements forever Michael's genius in every aspect of creativity."
Ortega that made a statement that made it sound like Michael was editing TII with him.
Ortega also called the rehearsals for TII, "Michaels final theatrical work."
[youtube:27nntaor]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0BSN7sfc4&NR=1[/youtube:27nntaor] (at 0:55) (6:29)
He didn't show up for the rehearsals until a few days before 25th according to some sources.
Was he only there to get enough film for TII?
On June 25th:
* The timeline reports from staff & Murray
* The 911 call
* The ambulance
* The photograph of the inside of the ambulance
Did Michael get 15 years younger by jumping in to that ambulance?
No. Old photo/photoshopped.
* Reports out of UCLA
Almost no reports at all. No one had anything to say and no one had seen anything.
A friend of mine knows one of the workers at UCLA, and she worked on
26th. No one said almost anything. She had to find out about his death from the news.
Doctors refusing to sign death certificate. Official statement that begins with:
"The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday,
June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home."
* The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
What I find almost most interesting, is that TMZ always is first, with all the breaking news.
Who is feeding them all that information, and why did they pick TMZ? Ofcourse then,
all the conflicting stories surrounding his "death" is interesting aswell, but that could
also just be good ol' media, getting it wrong as usual.
* The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
Jermaine making the announcement, LaToya signing the death certificate.
UCLA just didn't want to have anything to do with it, did they?
[youtube:27nntaor]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnIxW0X-cI&feature=related[/youtube:27nntaor]
After June 25th:
* Conflicting stories of staff
* Murray's account of what happened
* The moving van at the house
* The family's statements
Conflicting stories, constant slip-ups, hardly no visable grieving.
Some claim that fans called them to let them know what happened to Michael. (?!)
And some of them doesn't even seem to remember where they were when they found out.
Joe that didn't know were Michaels body was for quite a while. Jermaine saying that "Michael
was not with us way before he got to the airport... uh, hospital." And then delays, delays, delays.
The memorial and funeral:
I think everything i said pretty well here:
[youtube:27nntaor]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3I-lkiYtI&NR=1[/youtube:27nntaor]
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Pre - death view of michael - whilst mike was in london - anything telling for the hoax
Pre - death if mike had any doubt that people still loved him
[youtube:3i4mwfhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vs0UrW_BwY[/youtube:3i4mwfhg]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIhQwFM ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIhQwFM3Ms&feature=related)
radio - lbc major talk radio in londonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb ... re=related (http://londonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbO7joxF7V8&feature=related)
five news 03/03/09http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYH-eWx0LXM&feature=related
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http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/ ... ked-death/ (http://www.beersteak.com/breaking-news/michael-jackson-still-alive-faked-death/)
Michael Jackson Still Alive – Faked His Death?
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Michael Jackson Still Alive – Faked His Death?
Sunday June, 28 2009 @ 1:45 pm
Death of Michael Jackson has been the most publicized news all over the world last few days so it comes as no surprise that the conspiracy theorists entered the melee with their stories of Michael Jackson being still alive and his death being naught more than a staged hoax to get pressure of the media off his ass. Did Michael Jackson fake his death? Who knows, but in the video above, which shows Michael Jackson’s dead body being air lifted to the Los Angeles County Coroner by the helicopter, he’s seen sitting up from a gurney. The video repeats the footage of Michael Jackson sitting up so it’s easy to see, hence the only question remains – is that an optical illusion, is someone moving his body to a sit up position, or is in fact Michael Jackson still alive and all this crap with his death is just a well planned hoax? You be the judge!
this poster made an interesting comment
EleventyHundred - June 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
With the size of that ‘copter, why would the gurney be positioned opposite the door like that? I think you’re deluding yourselves. I doubt that what you’re claiming to be Michael Jackson’s upright body is anything but some necessary cargo. Even if he has faked his own death (which I very much doubt) more power to him if that’s what it’s taken to clear his debts and be left alone.
Whether he shines on, or lives on, he’s earned the right to shake the world off his back.
why was the gurney positioned opposite the door like that?
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Virgo75: I can start with the pros and you can come and add the cons later when you have time.
Before June 25th:
* O2 announcement
- Acting in a way that isn't himself, so the drugstory would work in the hoax.
That also made people doubt that it even was him there, but a body double.
* The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved, etc.
Was the concert ever meant to happen? A hired doctor that isn't even licensed
to practice medicine in UK. (will add more here soon)
* The rehearsals
The final curtain call - the rehearsals? Convenient that everything was filmed
in such a high quality. Lots of people referring to him as a great filmmaker, one of them
was Liz Taylor, at her twitter: "It (TII) is the single most brilliant piece of filmmaking
I have ever seen. It cements forever Michael's genius in every aspect of creativity."
Ortega that made a statement that made it sound like Michael was editing TII with him.
Ortega also called the rehearsals for TII, "Michaels final theatrical work."
[youtube:2tglj3tr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0BSN7sfc4&NR=1[/youtube:2tglj3tr] (at 0:55) (6:29)
He didn't show up for the rehearsals until a few days before 25th according to some sources.
Was he only there to get enough film for TII?
On June 25th:
* The timeline reports from staff & Murray
* The 911 call
* The ambulance
* The photograph of the inside of the ambulance
Did Michael get 15 years younger by jumping in to that ambulance?
No. Old photo/photoshopped.
* Reports out of UCLA
Almost no reports at all. No one had anything to say and no one had seen anything.
A friend of mine knows one of the workers at UCLA, and she worked on
26th. No one said almost anything. She had to find out about his death from the news.
Doctors refusing to sign death certificate. Official statement that begins with:
"The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday,
June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home."
* The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
What I find almost most interesting, is that TMZ always is first, with all the breaking news.
Who is feeding them all that information, and why did they pick TMZ? Ofcourse then,
all the conflicting stories surrounding his "death" is interesting aswell, but that could
also just be good ol' media, getting it wrong as usual.
* The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
Jermaine making the announcement, LaToya signing the death certificate.
UCLA just didn't want to have anything to do with it, did they?
[youtube:2tglj3tr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnIxW0X-cI&feature=related[/youtube:2tglj3tr]
After June 25th:
* Conflicting stories of staff
* Murray's account of what happened
* The moving van at the house
* The family's statements
Conflicting stories, constant slip-ups, hardly no visable grieving.
Some claim that fans called them to let them know what happened to Michael. (?!)
And some of them doesn't even seem to remember where they were when they found out.
Joe that didn't know were Michaels body was for quite a while. Jermaine saying that "Michael
was not with us way before he got to the airport... uh, hospital." And then delays, delays, delays.
The memorial and funeral:
I think everything i said pretty well here:
[youtube:2tglj3tr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv3I-lkiYtI&NR=1[/youtube:2tglj3tr]
Regarding the funeral aswell there are a few things that the vid doesn't question.
Like that it seemed to be greenscreened, the funeral. That it doesn't even look
like Forrest Lawn there.
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One add to everything weird regarding TII + Kenny Ortegas very weird
comment about having Michael with him in the editing room:
[youtube:2nugc8mq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFEQ55ippbw&feature=related[/youtube:2nugc8mq]
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Memorial
pre service - leaving from the hotel - Beverley Wiltshire Hotel
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSrTNMRQJCI[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B8bn38X2MY&feature=channel[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
but outside the staples centre - it was not sad either - pp coming together
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5vWc7gx1Lc[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
this is the after memorial service - sorry not in english but look at the smiles - latoya - posing
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47wM0ykBKE[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
all smiles
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmq7O3_zXRI[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
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the funeral
pre funeral
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC7HZW5tl5w&feature=channel[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdGf7qSL3U&NR=1[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B30Yz2RLCDc&NR=1[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iinjt9B5mA&NR=1[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT7QWwhOPNw[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
one question if the family wanted it to be private away from the cameras why did they hold it in the open, and who released the footage? When wasnt there a private funeral?
i mean we did not see mike in the casket, we did not see him arrive at the hospital, lifted into the ambulance, transported in the ambulance - its all been secret. we did not see the last picture of him
the footage from the scoop i have not seen before and the comments made - were that the footage was for a production - it was made for a purpose.
finally
[youtube:2mn4jxyq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3irSFI93enk&feature=channel[/youtube:2mn4jxyq]
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^^Right, i remember hearing that the family wanted a private service burial....i was thinking "that' s understandable" u know? then come Sept. 3rd, and it's on every major news station like CNN, MSNBC, even E!.....the footage had sweeping camera angles and everything! And for what!? if this was supposed to be "private".........
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^^Right, i remember hearing that the family wanted a private service burial....i was thinking "that' s understandable" u know? then come Sept. 3rd, and it's on every major news station like CNN, MSNBC, even E!.....the footage had sweeping camera angles and everything! And for what!? if this was supposed to be "private".........
I think it simply was staged to leave out questions. Oh, but they had a funeral and all, he MUST be dead.
And the funeral is more real for people, if they've seen glimpses of it on TV. After all the slipups and Joe not even knowing were Michaels body was, and with the whole world watching, maybe they felt the need to convince everybody that the funeral really happened, and that Michael really is "dead"?
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Question: Michael if you had anonymity where would you go
Answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IR4Eab8 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IR4Eab8ap0&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8nvIZjk ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8nvIZjkjFQ&feature=related)
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Question: Michael if you had anonymity where would you go
Answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IR4Eab8 ... re=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IR4Eab8ap0&feature=related)
well well well.. someone want to send in that rc helicopter now?? :D
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i hate to tour
[youtube:3jlsgf9k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRjKeWFnHNg[/youtube:3jlsgf9k]
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Here is my contribution to this wonderful push. An idea many times said, but hard to do and start...
Thank you Virgo!
This can be used as layout just few words of each issue to develope further, to recap the whole thing.
I want to take a look again to the question list to add the issues I missed...
O2 - TII The Tour Announcement
-The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved
-The visits to the doctors
The REHERSALS - DOME PROJECT
-We see him thin, but he´s always been.
-Could be weak and tired, but we also see him splendid.
-The lack of time, the sets built in USA have to be finished and shipped.
-The wardrobe.
-It all keeps on being finished after June 25.
CAROLWOOD
-Michael cares about his health and feeding
-Michael is/was supposed to suffer from various weakness, diseases, none of them heart related. But he hires a cardiologist. Ok one of his healthy systems is now safer. What are the chances to die from a failure of that system?
-Conflicting stories of staff
-Staff quickly fired
- Murray's account of what happened
-The moving van at the house
-The delay of the LAPD raid
- The family's statements
-The missing (?) tapes
-The 911 call. The versions, the lack of emotion.
-The CPR
-The scene of the facts. The medical supplies and tools.
-The bloody shirt
THE AMBULANCE
-The speed and the backwards
-The ambulance pic
UCLA
-The fire alarm (provides little witness)
-Family contradictions about when he was alive or not.
-Hospital with a special unit to revive under certain conditions.
(What if he was taken into death under control?)
-The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
-The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
HELICOPTER
-A not standard procedure to transport a dead body (show?)
-The doors are open - to make sure people see?
-Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know?
-The changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher
-The movement in the helicopter
-The helicopter number and license
THE LAPD VAN
-The MJ jumping out of the van and the RTL video
-LAX
THE WILL
-The mistaken names of the children.
-MJ was not in LA.
-The State, AEG & Sony, The Beatles Catalogue. Mottola.
-Custody of the children to Katherine, and Diana Ross(?!!!)
-Joe promoting his label, revoking the will with Oxman.
THE MEMORIAL
-WATW rehearsed
-The huge show in little time
-Liberian girl allusions, changes in the lyrics
-KO slip up.
-Still in present.
-The presences and absences
OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION
-Autopsies
-Toxicology report
-The death certificate
-LAPD
-LASD
-The lost and travelling body and parts. The eyes, the brain.
FUNERAL AND FOREST LAWN
-Forest Lawn and the walking set
-Liberian girl allusions
-The presences and absences
-The grave with no name
-The strange pattern on who does and doesn´t visit it.
-The OTHER funeral
TII THE FILM
-KO
-Dancers, Travis Payne. The drills and the inmates. Still the King.
-Sony
-Lack of "On Memory". Not dedicated to MJ, but to the kids.
-Jermaine: This is it but this is not really it.
JACK5ON Reality-The wrong cementery and the OTHER funeral relation
WATW 50 for Haiti
-The place of the recording
-Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones
-The Grammy Awards, Paris and Prince speech.
JACKSONS REAL REALITY AT ENCINO
-Stunt guns, the kids, Blanket in danger?
- Jermaine´s ex wife / Thome Thome
MURRAY´S CASE
-Murray´s disappearance
-Murray´s youtube video, letter to patients (June 15)
-The first hearing, the court, LAX
-The bail. Payed / Not payed
-The date released from jail according to the LAPD
-Murray´s licenses and clinics, the abandoned one in Houston
-Murrays´s always back to work
-Murrays family, past, and economic supposed troubles
-The digging of the thomb
-The defense line before the second hearing. Michael killed himself.
-The siringe, propofol
-Alberto Alvarez
-We saw the first hearing and we know nothing about the second.
-Who pays for Murray´s expenses
NEVERLAND
-Who owns it?
-The movements there, the concrete and helicopter
FRIENDS:
-Chris Angel and BELIEVE
CONSTANTS:
-All televised/filmed/pictured (but body)
-All Murray stuff posed
-All the new songs leaked
-All the slips up (the grammys, the airport…)
-All the documents leaked
-All the documents have reasons to possibly be suspicious of fake and/or to the hoax.
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wow impressive
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Airport closed that day :roll:
A.M.O.R
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AEG life insurance drug overdose :roll:
A.M.O.R
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Update after checking the first 4 pages of the Question list and your suggerences:
(I have this in a word doc, I can go adding here yours...)
I will also finish the question list, and check the order and sections of this soon.
O2 - TII The Tour Announcement
-The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved
-A tour in one city
-The ticket sales
-The visits to the doctors
-AEG life insurance drug overdose
-The strange message of MJ in the announcement.
-The unended sentece “These will be my final show performances because...”
-Unmasking the kids
-Delaying TII Tour first dates
- The dancers signed to 2 year contracts
The REHERSALS - DOME PROJECT
-We see him thin, but he´s always been.
-Could be weak and tired, but we also see him splendid.
-The lack of time, the sets built in USA have to be finished and shipped.
-The wardrobe.
-It all keeps on being finished after June 25.
-The insomnia problems
CAROLWOOD
-Michael cares about his health and feeding
-Michael is/was supposed to suffer from various weakness, diseases, none of them heart related. But he hires a cardiologist. Ok one of his healthy systems is now safer. What are the chances to die from a failure of that system?
-Conflicting stories of staff
-Staff quickly fired
- Murray's account of what happened
-The moving van at the house
-The delay of the LAPD raid
- The family's statements
-The missing (?) tapes
-The missing MJ´s hard drive
-The 911 call. The versions, the lack of emotion.
-The CPR
-The scene of the facts. The medical supplies and tools.
-The bloody shirt
-The presece of the children
-The witnesses
-The trash cans
-MJ sighing?
THE AMBULANCE
-The speed and the backwards
-The ambulance pic, Ben Evenstad & National Photo Group
-The false call of the paramedics
-Number 71 ambulance does not exist
UCLA
-Murray and bodyguards are there. Murray´s car is in Carolwood
-The fire alarm (provides little witnesses)
-CCTV Footage
-Family contradictions about when he was alive or not.
-Family contraditions about where were them and how did they know.
-Hospital with a special unit to revive under certain conditions.
(What if he was taken into death under control?)
-The long CPR
-The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
-TMZ says first
-The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
-Thome Thome there
-The absence of people at UCLA speaking or telling to see him
-The trash cans
-The pics dated from June 24 20:00
HELICOPTER
-A not standard procedure to transport a dead body (show?)
-The doors are open - to make sure people see?
-The white sheets
-Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know?
-The changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher
-The movement in the helicopter
-The helicopter number and license out of service for ages
THE LAPD VAN
-The MJ jumping out of the van and the RTL video
-LAX Airport closed that day
THE WILL
-The mistaken names of the children.
-MJ was not in LA.
-The State, AEG & Sony, The Beatles Catalogue, it´s remasterization.
-Mottola, Branca, Frank di leo
-Sony Deal
-Custody of the children to Katherine, and Diana Ross(?!!!)
-Joe revoking the will with Oxman.
-Creditors claims... inluding Stinky Films
THE MEMORIAL
-The circus
-WATW rehearsed by TII staff
-The huge show in little time
-Liberian girl allusions, changes in the lyrics
-The first casquet.
-KO slip up.
-Still in present.
-The presences and absences
-Paris half heart
-Jermaine reverse the meaning of the song "Smile"
OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION
-Autopsies leaked. The wrong MJ descriptions, the lack of some scares, the names...
-The family´s physical examination report (not leaked)
-Toxicology report (not leaked)
-The death certificate
-LAPD
-LASD
-The lost and travelling body and parts. The eyes, the brain.
-Latoya and Joe talks about murder and conspiracy
-Latoya says she witnessed the autopsy and signed the death certificate
-Larry king
FUNERAL AND FOREST LAWN
-Delaying the funeral
-Forest Lawn and the walking set
-Liberian girl allusions
-The presences and absences
-The dancers hired for the funeral
-The second casquet
-The trash cans
-The grave with no name
-The strange pattern on who does and doesn´t visit it.
-The OTHER funeral
TII THE FILM
-KO
-Dancers, Travis Payne. The drills and the inmates. Still the King.
-Sony
-Lack of "On Memory". Not dedicated to MJ, but to the kids.
-Jermaine: This is it but this is not really it.
JACK5ONS Reality
-The wrong cementery and the OTHER funeral relation
-The Jack5ons Tour
-Jermaine´s tribute
-The Fifth Jackson
WATW 50 for Haiti
-The place of the recording
-Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones
-The green man
-The presences and the absences
-The Grammy Awards, Paris and Prince speech.
JACKSONS REAL REALITY AT ENCINO
-Stunt guns, the kids, Blanket in danger?
-Jermaine´s ex wife
-Halima & Thome Thome
MURRAY´S CASE
-Murray´s disappearance
-Murray´s youtube video from unknow source, letter to patients (June 15)
-The first hearing, the court full of prop (atrezzo?), LAX
-Don´t go sedating people
-The trash cans at the first hearing
-The bail. Payed / Not payed
-The date released from jail according to the LAPD
-Murray´s licenses and clinics, the abandoned one in Houston
-Murrays´s always back to work
-Murrays family (Blanche Murray), past, and economic supposed troubles
-The digging up of the thomb
-The defense line before the second hearing. Michael killed himself.
-The siringe, propofol (hidden), Fool Prop, Prop of Fool, Full of Prop
-Alberto Alvarez
-We saw the first hearing and we know nothing about the second.
-Who pays for Murray´s expenses
NEVERLAND
-Who owns it?
-The movements there, the concrete and helicopter
-The autions
THE FAMILY
-Latoya knows how to keep a secret
-Jackie make the odd statement about seeing his brother soon
-Joe promoting his label (but never talking again about it) and laughing with Jesse Jackson
FRIENDS:
-Chris Angel and BELIEVE
-Dave Dave at Larry King. DD a Believer
-Karen Faye weird behaviour, saying she madee-up the corpse...
-Devie Rowie renounces to kids
-Tom Masereu
CONSTANTS:
-All televised/filmed/pictured (but body)
-All Murray stuff posed
-All the new songs leaked
-All the old footage leaked, realeased
-All the slips up (the grammys, the airport…)
-All the documents leaked
-All the documents have reasons to possibly be suspicious of fake and/or to the hoax.
-All the numbers coincidences and repetitions
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UCLA
-The fire alarm (provides little witness)
Great job, somekindofsign!
Just wanted to add this about the fire alarm:
The fire alarm that is discussed was from the 200 Medical Center Building in the Peter Morton Center. This building is next door to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center Hospital where Michael supposedly "died".
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THE MEMORIAL
-The circus
-WATW rehearsed by TII staff
-The huge show in little time
-Liberian girl allusions, changes in the lyrics
-The first casquet.
-KO slip up.
-Still in present.
-The presences and absences
-Paris half heart
-Jermaine reverse the meaning of the song "Smile"
-PainS
-I'm alive and I'm here forever on the backscreen.
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@ SomekindofSign
Thank you!
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I have been wondering something ..
I remember when Latoya said they didn't do open casket because michael's face damaged during CPR ..
so did it report on autopsy report ? anybody know about that ? :roll:
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I have been wondering something ..
I remember when Latoya said they didn't do open casket because michael's face damaged during CPR ..
so did it report on autopsy report ? anybody know about that ? :roll:
It was so long ago I read the autopsy report so I don't remember. What I find amusing is that LaToya first goes around telling how peaceful he looked, just as he was asleep, and then he is to damaged to even show in an open casket. She seems to have troubles with her memory, but I guess it's hard to keep track of everything you're saying when you're lying.
And I still can't see how a face could get so damaged by a CPR.
What, when they gave mouth to mouth they suddenly decided to take a big bite? :D
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I have been wondering something ..
I remember when Latoya said they didn't do open casket because michael's face damaged during CPR ..
so did it report on autopsy report ? anybody know about that ? :roll:
It was so long ago I read the autopsy report so I don't remember. What I find amusing is that LaToya first goes around telling how peaceful he looked, just as he was asleep, and then he is to damaged to even show in an open casket. She seems to have troubles with her memory, but I guess it's hard to keep track of everything you're saying when you're lying.
And I still can't see how a face could get so damaged by a CPR.
What, when they gave mouth to mouth they suddenly decided to take a big bite? :D
thanks for reply .. :)
yeah I also think it's weird to have the face damaged because of CPR ..
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You´re all welcome!
Ok, I´ve finished adding things from the question list, and those that you all added here, some more that I´ve rememebered...
So we have an Hoax´s layout or basic lines. From here we can add details and from time to time I can collect them on the list and post it...
O2 - TII The Tour Announcement
-The concert plans - how many, where, who is involved
-A tour in one city
-The ticket sales
-The visits to the doctors
-AEG life insurance drug overdose
-The strange message of MJ in the announcement.
-The not ended sentence “These will be my final show performances because...”
-Unmasking the kids
-Delaying TII Tour first dates
- The dancers signed to 2 year contracts
The REHERSALS - DOME PROJECT
-We see him thin, but he´s always been.
-Could be weak and tired, but we also see him splendid.
-The lack of time, the sets built in USA have to be finished and shipped.
-The wardrobe.
-It all keeps on being finished after June 25.
-The insomnia problems
CAROLWOOD
-Michael rents this house were a Walt Disney house and Disney´s Carolwood Pacific Railroad? (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=5268) were once
-Michael cares about his health and feeding
-Michael is/was supposed to suffer from various weakness, diseases, none of them heart related. But he hires a cardiologist. Ok one of his healthy systems is now safer. What are the chances to die from a failure of that system?
-Conflicting stories of staff
-Staff quickly fired
- Murray's account of what happened
-The moving van at the house
-The delay of the LAPD raid
- The family's statements
-The missing (?) tapes
-The missing MJ´s hard drive
-The 911 call. The versions, the lack of emotion, calling from a hotel.
-The CPR
-The scene of the facts. The medical supplies and tools.
-The bloody shirt
-The presence of the children
-The witnesses
-The trash cans
-MJ sighing?
THE AMBULANCE
-The speed and the backwards
-The ambulance pic, Ben Evenstad & National Photo Group
-The false call of the paramedics
-Number 71 ambulance does not exist
UCLA
-Murray and bodyguards are there. Murray´s car is in Carolwood
-The fire alarm (provides little witnesses around) at 200 Medical Center Building in the Peter Morton Center. The building next door to the Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center Hospital
-CCTV Footage
-Family contradictions about when he was alive or not.
-Family contradictions about where were them and how did they know.
-Hospital with a special unit to revive under certain conditions.
(What if he was taken into death under control?)
-The long CPR
-The media coverage of Michael's "collapse"/"coma"/"death"
-TMZ says first
-The announcement of Michael's death by Jermaine
-Thome Thome there
-The absence of people at UCLA speaking or telling to see him
-The trash cans
-The pics dated from June 24 20:00
-Oxman says Jackie has reported him that they “took” MJ “from” hospital at 11:30
HELICOPTER
-A not standard procedure to transport a dead body (show?)
-A fast mean for a no rush situation.
-The doors are open - to make sure people see?
-The white sheets
-Where did the photographers come from who were filming the transport and how did they know?
-The changing sizes and weights of who/what is on the stretcher
-The movement in the helicopter
-The helicopter number and license out of service for ages
THE LAPD VAN
-The MJ jumping out of the van and the RTL video
-LAX Airport closed that day
THE WILL
-The mistaken names of the children.
-MJ was not in LA.
-The State, AEG & Sony, The Beatles Catalogue, it´s remastering.
-Mottola, Branca, Frank di leo
-Sony Deal
-Custody of the children to Katherine, and Diana Ross(?!!!)
-Joe revoking the will with Oxman.
-Creditors claims... including Stinky Films
THE MEMORIAL
-The circus
-WATW rehearsed by TII staff
-The huge show in little time
-Liberian girl allusions
-Changes in the lyrics: PainS, Jermaine reverses the meaning of the song "Smile"
-“I'm alive and I'm here forever” on the back screen.
-The first casquet.
-KO slip up.
-Still in present.
-The presences and absences
-Paris half heart
-Closed casket, face damaged? Probably not
OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION
-Autopsies leaked. The wrong MJ descriptions, the lack of some scares, the names...
-The family´s physical examination report (not leaked)
-Toxicology report (not leaked)
-The death certificate
-LAPD
-LASD
-The lost and travelling body and parts. The eyes, the brain.
-Latoya and Joe talks about murder and conspiracy
-Latoya says she witnessed the autopsy and signed the death certificate
-Larry king
FUNERAL AND FOREST LAWN
-Delaying the funeral
-Forest Lawn and the walking set
-Liberian girl allusions
-The presences and absences
-The dancers hired for the funeral
-The second casquet
-The trash cans
-The grave with no name
-The strange pattern on who does and doesn´t visit it.
-The OTHER funeral
TII THE FILM
-KO
-Dancers, Travis Payne. The drills and the inmates. Still the King.
-Sony
-Lack of "On Memory". Not dedicated to MJ, but to the kids.
-Jermaine: This is it but this is not really it.
-Some family members are against
-The messages of denounce, the songs choice
-The messages of adventure for a change
-The colour bracelets
-The dome project, the movies inside TII
JACK5ONS Reality
-The wrong cementery and the OTHER funeral relation (Hombly Hills / Glendale)
-The Jack5ons Tour
-Jermaine´s tributes
-The Fifth Jackson
WATW 50 for Haiti
-The place of the recording
-Lionel Richie and Quincy Jones
-The green man
-The presences and the absences
-The Grammy Awards, Paris and Prince speech.
JACKSONS REAL REALITY AT ENCINO
-Stunt guns, the kids, Blanket in danger?
-Jermaine´s ex wife
-Halima & Thome Thome
MURRAY´S CASE
-Possible relation between Murray and James Brown´s death.
-Possible introduction of Murray to MJ by Joe
-Murray´s disappearance before death declaration
-Murray´s youtube video from unknown source, letter to patients (June 15)
-The first hearing, the court full of prop (atrezzo?), LAX
-Don´t go sedating people
-The trash cans at the first hearing
-The bail. Paid / Not paid
-The date released from jail according to the LAPD
-Murray´s licenses and clinics, the abandoned one in Houston
-Murrays´s always back to work
-Murrays family (Blanche Murray), past, and economic supposed troubles
-The digging up of the tomb
-The defence line before the second hearing. Michael killed himself.
-The syringe, propofol hidden, Murray´s declaration
- Fool Prop, Prop of Fool, Full of Prop
-Alberto Alvarez
-We saw the first hearing and we know nothing about the second.
-Who pays for Murray´s expenses
NEVERLAND
-Who owns it?
-The movements there, the concrete and helicopter
-The auctions
THE FAMILY
-Latoya knows how to keep a secret
-Jackie makes the odd statement about seeing his brother soon
-Joe promoting his label (but never talking again about it) and laughing with Jesse Jackson
FRIENDS:
-Chris Angel and BELIEVE
-Dave Dave at Larry King. DD a Believer
-Karen Faye weird behaviour, saying she made-up the corpse...
-Devie Rowie renounces to kids
-Tom Masereu
CONSTANTS:
-All televised/filmed/pictured (but body)
-All Murray stuff posed
-All the new songs leaked
-All the old footage leaked, released
-All the slips up (the Grammys, the airport…)
-All the documents leaked: Death certificate, autopsies´ reports, will, Murray´s criminal records, 911 call, false ambo call, controversial MJ´s coming out of the van, Murray´s defence allegations, Murray´s letter to the patients, LASD records-All the documents have reasons to possibly be suspicious of fake and/or to the hoax.
-All the numbers coincidences and repetitions
-All the colours coincidences and repetitions: blue, red, black and white (Michael´s) / yellow, purple, red, green (hoax)
-All the concepts coincidences and repetitions: Butterflies, Disney´s tales and characters, L.O.V.E, BeLIEve
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JACK5ONS Reality
-The wrong cementery and the OTHER funeral relation (Hombly Hills / Glendale)
-The Jack5ons Tour
-Jermaine´s tributes
-The Fifth Jackson
In one episode, they talk about how sad it is that Michael isn't "with them anymore"
and then they go into the studio to discuss a new song or something like that. Suddenly
they remember that "Oh, it's Janets birthday today, let's call and congratulate her!"
But wait a minute.. Janets birthday is May 16th and Michael supposedly died June 25th.
That just doesn't add up.
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Good one!
I think it was on episode 1 or 2, as I recall it and I only see those two available on the internet...
I want to watch that part again. I would like to se the rest of the series...
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The REHERSALS - DOME PROJECT
-We see him thin, but he´s always been.
-Could be weak and tired, but we also see him splendid.
-The lack of time, the sets built in USA have to be finished and shipped.
-The wardrobe.
-It all keeps on being finished after June 25.
-The insomnia problems
-Last night: Thanks, I can take it from here (what ever happened that morning it was something that Michael had planned for a long time...)
How exactly was quote and who said so... Mottola? to add it to the list correctly...
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The REHERSALS - DOME PROJECT
-We see him thin, but he´s always been.
-Could be weak and tired, but we also see him splendid.
-The lack of time, the sets built in USA have to be finished and shipped.
-The wardrobe.
-It all keeps on being finished after June 25.
-The insomnia problems
-Last night: Thanks, I can take it from here (what ever happened that morning it was something that Michael had planned for a long time...)
How exactly was quote and who said so... Mottola? to add it to the list correctly...
To Randy Phillips
Phillips says. "He put his arms around me, and, in that little, lilting voice of his, he said, 'Thank you for getting me this far. Now I can take it from here. I know I can do this.'
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Thank you ladyandbird!
I´ll add that together with your new one...
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sightings
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcFcosN1_Ag[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
1. switzerland
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x47wM0ykBKE[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
2. Hat man
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkuKFqfkMmU[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdb6XboPI2g[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
3. woman
4. Pig Saw
5. Tech man
6. Green Man
7. house in berlin
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRFU_hj6cM8&NR=1[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
8. Bet awards - but is it ernest valentino
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fYY9hmezCI&feature=fvw[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
9. Randy's car 27/06/09
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLdzEL25vPI[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
10. unsure when
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSnigtN-2V0[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EV3wId3jcM[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
11. mj by the ambulance
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrmlVO_w0T8[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
12. dd
[youtube:1nvb0dk1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AHGs5Oq_uA[/youtube:1nvb0dk1]
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I have another thing for recap
# Michael Jackson Memorial (2009) (TV) (performer: "Will You Be There")
... aka "Michael Jackson Memorial Service" - USA (alternative title)
Found it on:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001391/)
Every time I see this, the "PainS" thing pops up in my head.... yeah of course he was the performer there :D
And I just can't get over it, that the Memorial is on the IMDB...but where's the funeral? :P
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Kirsche, the Memorial is on the imdb because its worldwide broadcasting is a production itself.
The funeral is not, because is not a production, it´s a footage broadcasted in what ever TV program chose to do so... a part of many TV programs that surely are on the imdb. ;) :(